Timothy Keller Sermons Podcast by Gospel in Life - Why a Public Faith?

Episode Date: August 4, 2025

We live in a pluralistic society, so we must ask this question: how can people be true to themselves and still get along? No matter who you are, if you care about the social fabric, that’s a huge qu...estion to answer.  My goal is to show Christians how they can be part of the solution. We’re going to look at the subject of public faith. In John 4, we see that immediately after speaking to the Samaritan woman at the well, Jesus talks to his disciples and gets really metaphorical. He talks about spiritual sowing and reaping. What’s he trying to get across?  If we delve into it, we see that Jesus gives us 1) a call to spiritual sowing of seed, 2) the method of doing it, and then 3) the power, or the inner motivation, for doing it. This sermon was preached by Dr. Timothy Keller at Redeemer Presbyterian Church on September 29, 2013. Series: A Public Faith. Scripture: John 4:27-42. Today's podcast is brought to you by Gospel in Life, the site for all sermons, books, study guides and resources from Timothy Keller and Redeemer Presbyterian Church. If you've enjoyed listening to this podcast and would like to support the ongoing efforts of this ministry, you can do so by visiting https://gospelinlife.com/give and making a one-time or recurring donation.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to Gospel in Life. How do we share what it means to truly know Jesus, not just as a historical figure or moral teacher, but as Savior and King? This month, Tim Keller explores what the Bible shows us about being public with our faith and sharing the hope we have in Christ. Tonight's scripture comes from the book of John chapter 4 verses 27 through 42. Just then his disciples returned and were surprised to find him talking with a woman, but no one asked, what do you want or why are you talking with her? Then leaving her water jar, the woman went back to the town and said to the people, Come see a man who told me everything I ever did.
Starting point is 00:00:53 Could this be the Messiah? They came out of the town and made their way toward him. Meanwhile, his disciples urged him, Rabbi, eat something. But he said to them, I have food to eat that you know nothing about. Then his disciples said to each other, could someone have brought him food? My food, said Jesus, is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work. Don't you have a saying, it's still four months until the harvest. I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields.
Starting point is 00:01:24 They are ripe for harvest. Even now, the one who reaps draws a wage and harvest a crop for eternal life so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together. Thus the saying, one sows and another reaps is true. I sent you to reap what you have not worked for. Others have done the hard work and you have reaped the benefits of their labor.
Starting point is 00:01:47 Many of the Samaritans from that town believed him because of the woman's testimony he told me everything I ever did. So when the Samaritans came to him, they urged him to stay with them, and he stayed two days. And because of his words, many more became believers. They said to the woman, we no longer believe just because of what you said,
Starting point is 00:02:08 now we have heard for ourselves and we know that this man really is the savior of the world. The word of the Lord. We're beginning a new series called Public Faith, Sharing the Hope That's Within. We live in a very pluralistic society, New York particularly. Your neighbor probably holds deeply sharply divergent beliefs about things, do your beliefs. Now in a situation like that, pluralistic, everybody's so different in their beliefs,
Starting point is 00:02:47 here's the question. How can people be true to themselves and not hide who they are and still get along? I mean, no matter who you are, if you care about the social fabric, that's a huge question to answer. Because there's really only three, I think, possible alternatives. Either you hide who you are for fear that your neighbor will be angry at you,
Starting point is 00:03:13 or you speak out about your beliefs in who you are in such a way that you provoke anger in your neighbor, or you learn how to share who you are and you are open about who you are, but to do it in such a way that creates peace and civility. And of course, the third alternative is the only one that has integrity, and it's the only one that really was,
Starting point is 00:03:39 it holds out a prospect of hope for a pluralistic society. And therefore, even though we're gonna be looking at what the Bible says each week about how Christians should be public with their faith, this issue should concern everybody, and my goal is to show Christians how they can be part of the solution. And that means whether you're a Christian
Starting point is 00:04:03 or whether you don't believe in Christianity, whether you're not sure what you believe, this will be of relevance to you. And we're also very excited about the fact that thousands of people in not only the beta groups but the small groups in our church are studying this material every week and applying it to real life. Now, the first week we're just looking at the very subject of what public faith is and why faith should be public. And we're looking at what was read to you was the last half of a great story about Jesus Christ meeting a woman of Samaria at the well. It starts at the very beginning of chapter four and in a minute I'm going to
Starting point is 00:04:38 recount it. But what I want to do is look particularly at the aftermath, and that's here in verses 27 to 42. Immediately after speaking to this woman, Jesus talks to his disciples and he gets real metaphorical. And he talks about spiritual sowing seed and reaping. Now what is that? What is he trying to get across in that metaphor? I want to delve into that and ask that question. What is he talking about there? And I'd like to look at that under three headings. Jesus here actually gives us a call to spiritual
Starting point is 00:05:19 sowing of seed. And then he shows us in this passage the method of doing it, how to do it. And then thirdly, the power or the inner motivation for doing it. So the call to it, the method of it, the power for it. Okay? Now, first of all, let's look at the call to spiritual sowing of seed. What is this? Let me give you the context. spiritual sowing of seed. What is this? Let me give you the context. What's happened right before this part? I told you that Jesus has had a very famous and very intriguing encounter with a woman of Samaria at the well.
Starting point is 00:05:57 Jesus has been traveling with his disciples, and as he's traveling through Samaria, he stops at a well. The disciples go into town to get some food, leaving him alone at the well. A woman also comes out from the town to draw water from the well, and they engage in a conversation.
Starting point is 00:06:16 And Jesus, very gently and persistently, tries to draw her out and get her attention. And he does it by using a metaphor, an illustration. And he says, I have water that if you drank it, you'd never thirst again. And she says, really, all right, let me have that water. And he says, okay, you want the water?
Starting point is 00:06:43 Go get your husband. She says, I don't have that water. And he says, okay, you want the water? Go get your husband. She says, I don't have a husband. Right, he says, and very matter of factly, non-condemningly and gently says, you're right, you don't have a husband. You've had five husbands and the man you're living with right now is not your husband. Wait a minute, why when she said,
Starting point is 00:07:02 give me this water of life, this water that satisfies so you never have to be thirsty again, give this water to me, and he says, go get your husband, what's he doing? He's brilliantly showing her that he's not talking about physical water, that he's talking about soul satisfaction, soul satiation, the satisfaction of a soul thirst. And it's what she's been looking for and hoping to get, that soul satisfaction, in men, in family, in romance, in sexual relationships, and it hasn't happened to her.
Starting point is 00:07:39 And now amazed with his insight, surprised at how much he knows about her, impressed with how loving it is for him to be talking to a woman in public, and perhaps sensing a hidden power, she calls him out and she says, you know, when Messiah comes, he will tell us about all these deep things. And Jesus very dramatically says, I, the one speaking to you, am he. And that is verse 26. So that's the first 26 verses of chapter 4. And immediately upon him telling her this, the disciples come back, see? Verse 27, the disciples return. She, verse 29, leaves her water jug and goes into the town to start talking to her friends about what just happened to
Starting point is 00:08:32 her. And we'll get back to that in a second. But in this context of him pointing her to eternal life and pointing her to belief in himself, and then her going off and pointing the people of the town to him, he gives this metaphor. He says, first of all, I have a food. This is down in verse 33. He's using the kind of enigmatic, cryptic, metaphorical way that ancient sages would speak to the disciples as a way of trying to get them to think, draw them out, focus their attention. And he says, I have a food, and that food is to do the
Starting point is 00:09:07 will of him who sent me and to finish his work. Now, right there, even that sentence all by itself is fascinating, because he's actually saying, my meat and my drink, that which gives me sustenance, the main thing I do is the work that God has given me. The one who sent me has given me this work. Well, what is this work? Then he calls it harvesting or spiritual sowing and reaping. And the reason we know it's spiritual, the reasoning we know that what he's talking about is a metaphor is because he talks about here in verse 36, he says, we're talking about a crop of eternal life.
Starting point is 00:09:43 And therefore, here's what he's saying, especially in context of, he's talking metaphorically about what just happened with the woman, and what's happening now between her and her friends. Spiritual sowing is pointing people to eternal life through Jesus Christ, and spiritual reaping is seeing some of them believe. Spiritual sowing is pointing people to Jesus Christ and saying, there is eternal life. Spiritual reaping is sometimes seeing them believe.
Starting point is 00:10:15 And Jesus makes a couple of amazing statements about this. First of all, he's telling his disciples, this isn't, remember, this is food. What does that mean? That being public with your faith, pointing people to eternal life through Jesus Christ is not dessert. It's not hors d'oeuvres, it's not optional, it's not a treat, it's not something special.
Starting point is 00:10:39 This is meat and drink, this is what you should be here to do, and this is what God has put me here to do. And you should be here to do, and this is what God has put me here to do, and you should be doing it too. Not only does he show how important it is to be public with faith, telling people about eternal life through Jesus, but he even makes, he bursts the boundaries of this metaphor when he says,
Starting point is 00:10:59 so that sower and the reaper may be glad together. Do you know how radical that is? The reason it doesn't immediately hit you is because you are not farmers. Sowers go out and months later, reapers go out, right? He even mentions the fact that very often there's months between sowing and reaping. He says, ah, but when it comes to the gospel, the message of eternal life through Jesus Christ,
Starting point is 00:11:25 the sower and the reaper rejoice together. What does that mean? There is no natural seed that's so powerful that the sower and the reaper can go out together. You know what he's talking about? He's talking about the sower going out like this and the reaper coming right alongside and picking out, you know, the sower puts in the seed,
Starting point is 00:11:40 up it comes, the reaper takes, and they're working together. Sowers and reapers can never work together, because there's no seed that powerful, but the gospel is that powerful. So Jesus is saying, don't say this isn't the harvest time, lift up your eyes, I'm here, got it? This is really very, very strong.
Starting point is 00:12:01 Never say this isn't the right cultural moment. Never say this isn't the right cultural moment. Never say this isn't the time. Never say, well, sharing faith publicly, that's something for certain people. No, it's meat and drink. It's for my disciples. It's the work I've been given to do. Don't say this isn't the time. It is the time. And do you see the power? So powerful that in this spiritual sea, the sower and the reaper rejoice together. This does not mean, by the way, that everybody who hears the gospel believes immediately. It's not talking individualistically. It's not just... You can see in the book of John,
Starting point is 00:12:37 you can see in your own life that people come to faith in different stages. But what he's saying is in the past, John the Baptist, the prophets, they spoke enigmatically, vaguely about it. But now I'm here, it's clear. The gospel message is here and now it's got power. So today is the day of salvation. So that's the first thing we learn here. He's calling us to spiritual sewing in very powerful terms. If you're his disciple, if you follow him. Well, that makes us a little bit nervous. What exactly is it that he's calling us to?
Starting point is 00:13:10 What does this mean? So, let's take a look. What he's talking about metaphorically, the woman is doing, right now. Look at what she's doing. It says, leaving her water jar, verse 29, the woman went back to the town and said to the people, and these are people that she lives with, these are people she knows, come
Starting point is 00:13:29 see a man who told me everything I ever did. Could this be the Messiah? And so they came out of the town and made their way toward him. There it is. Okay, how do we analyze this? What does this mean? First of all, please notice that she doesn't get up on a box and start preaching. Right? please notice that she doesn't get up on a box and start preaching.
Starting point is 00:13:50 Now, to get up and preach to a group of people at once is fine, I do it myself. And as Jerry Seinfeld has said, nothing does anything wrong with that. But she doesn't do that because of course not everybody's called to that. That's not the essence of what Jesus is calling his disciples to do, to get up like this. Also notice she goes to people she knows. She doesn't go grab strangers. Again, not that there's anything wrong with that.
Starting point is 00:14:17 But that's still not the essence. And by the way, I don't care who you are. We'll get back to this in a minute, but you can already tell. She has a kind of checkered sexual history. She is not a moral pillar of her community. But in every community, there's always a ladder. Even we Americans who love to say we're part of an egalitarian meritocratic society, there's always pecking orders, there's always ladders.
Starting point is 00:14:45 You know, there's people above you in your career, there's people below you, there's people older than you, younger than you, people who've got more of the things you want, people who've got less. And therefore, it doesn't matter, if you're high up on the ladder, talking about your faith is scary, why? Because you got a lot to lose.
Starting point is 00:15:03 What about other people up there who are gonna say, what a minute, are you a fanatic or something? If you're in lot to lose. What about other people up there who are going to say, what a minute, are you a fanatic or something? If you're in the middle of the ladder, that's not easy either. Why? Because you don't want the people above you to think you're kind of, you know, they want, you want them to be able to open doors for you, think well of you. But even if you're at the bottom of the ladder, like her, you don't want to add insult to injury. I mean, you don't want people to say, look, we always knew you were kind of a shady character,
Starting point is 00:15:30 but now we know you're crazy too. There's always something to lose. But she goes and she speaks, and this one statement actually can be broken into two parts to show us the essence of what it means to be public with your faith, what it means to do this spiritual sewing that Jesus calls all of his disciples to do. He says, come see a man who told me everything I ever did. Now the two essentials of this, of being public with your faith are simple transparency and pointing to Jesus himself.
Starting point is 00:16:08 First of all, simple transparency. Look, what does she say? He told me everything I ever did. Now look, she does not have a set of bullet points. There's not much theological content here. She's not explaining substitutionary atonement. She is just saying, here's what happened to me. She is simply being transparent about what's going on inside.
Starting point is 00:16:37 And this is the first thing you have to understand. Basically, being public with your faith simply means not hiding your heart. Not hiding the wellsprings of your life. Not hiding from other people who you really are. If you just stop hiding and you're just natural and letting people know how you make decisions, how you deal with your problems, if you're a Christian, you're just letting people see who you are
Starting point is 00:17:03 and then it becomes very natural. See look, you don't necessarily talk to anybody about these things, but a person doesn't have to be a dear friend for you to share three things. One is, do you ever talk to people about how you're dealing with a problem or your stresses in your life? Do you ever say, does anybody say, I've been pretty stressed out lately, you know, and I've had to deal with it.
Starting point is 00:17:24 Do you ever talk to people about decisions you make? Do you ever talk to people about priorities that you set? Now, you can talk to people who are not necessarily your closest friends, but when you are getting to know people, you disclose a little bit more and a little bit more, and when you get to that level, if you're a Christian, and you don't disclose the fact that Jesus is always part
Starting point is 00:17:47 of how you deal with your problems, and Jesus is always part of how you make your decisions, if you get to the level where you can be disclosing that, but you don't share that part of your heart, you are short-circuiting the natural level of disclosure and transparency that happens as you're getting to know somebody better. So in other words, public faith is just don't short circuit it.
Starting point is 00:18:10 Don't hide it. Look, we all know that people don't want to hear it, especially in our culture. But the point is that it's unnatural. It's wrong. It's a lack of transparency. So you don't have to learn a bunch of bullet points or get up on a box.
Starting point is 00:18:27 You just have to stop being dishonest about how you make your decisions and how you deal with your issues. Just don't hide. Just don't hide. So that's the first thing. Personal transparency. But the second thing, notice, is this.
Starting point is 00:18:44 She doesn't say, come to a seminar, come read a book. She says, come see a man. Now, I already said this. She doesn't understand too much about Jesus yet. I mean, she says he's the Messiah or he might be the Messiah. All right. But does she know he's going to die for her or for me and you? No. Does she know he's going to rise from the dead? No. And those are really big things. She really doesn't know too much theology here. And yet somehow she has grasped the essence of the distinction between Christianity and all other religions. She's actually grasped the genius of Christianity. What is that? Well, I would say that every
Starting point is 00:19:31 other religion, the main thing in that religion is the way. The way. So, for example, the founder, the teacher, the prophet, the sage, the founder of the religion comes and says, here's the five pillars, here's the eightfold path to enlightenment, the ten noble truths. In other words, they're giving people the way. They're saying, if you want to find God, if you want to find salvation, if you want to connect to the divine, if you want to be enlightened, if you want salvation, if you want favor with God, if you want salvation, if you want favor with
Starting point is 00:20:05 God, if you want a relationship with God, here's the way. You do this and do this and do this. And think about it. Buddhism has a very well laid out path. Four noble truths and the last noble truth is the eightfold path. And do you have to know all about Buddha for the way to work? I mean, couldn't you find enlightenment without necessarily knowing that much about Buddha? Of course not. I mean, of course.
Starting point is 00:20:29 The answer is you don't need to know a lot about Buddha. Why not? Because Buddha brought the way, but the main thing is the way. There's a, you know, it's somewhat detached from the person who brought it. The main thing is since you're the one, through your efforts that they kick God's favor and get the relationship with God then The important thing is the way it's the steps. It's the it's the plan. It's the formula
Starting point is 00:20:53 That's the important thing not this not this founder not the prophet, but it's totally different in Christianity in John chapter 14 when someone says to Jesus Lord, you know the way Jesus says I am the way. Lord you have the words of truth, I am the truth. I am the way, I am the truth. When Martha says to Jesus, Lord my brother died but he will rise again at the resurrection on the last day." What does Jesus say? Martha, I am the resurrection and the life. I am the way. I am the truth. I am the life.
Starting point is 00:21:33 Why is he talking like that? Is he just being arrogant? No. Here's what he's saying. I am the way means all other religions tell you what to do to find God. I am God come to find you. All other religions tell you what to do to find God. I am God come to find you. All other religions tell you what to do to find God. I have come to do what you couldn't do for yourself. I have come to give you salvation as a gift, see? We always say the gospel changes everything, and we believe it really does.
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Starting point is 00:23:05 What's really important is that you're good and that you do the thing, that you follow the way. But in Christianity, it's all about Jesus. Jesus is the one that you rely on. Jesus is the one. He's the way, he's the truth, he's the life. People are constantly saying to me over the years, so often I've heard people say,
Starting point is 00:23:23 look, I'm glad you're a Christian, that's great, but I believe that all good people can get to heaven. Let me repeat that just so you hear it and see the false assumption there. Oh, I'm glad you're a Christian, but I believe all good people can get to heaven. What's the assumption? The assumption is that Christians think that their goodness gets them to heaven, but they shouldn't be so narrow as to think that only Christians are good. But Christians don't believe that goodness gets them into heaven. In fact, the genius of Christianity,
Starting point is 00:23:47 the heart of Christianity is we've stopped the exhausting activity of trying to depend on our own goodness. We've escaped the exhaustion of depending on our own goodness and we're depending on Jesus' goodness, which means you can't talk about what's happening in your heart as a Christian without talking about Jesus. You can't avoid it.
Starting point is 00:24:05 You have to be pointing to his beauty. You have to be pointing to him. And she understood that. And so there's the essence of what it means to be public with your faith. Just be transparent about what's going on in your heart. But you must talk about, you must refer to, you must point to Jesus.
Starting point is 00:24:26 Now, this is New York City, and many of you who live here know that the 18 minutes that I've just spent are completely offensive to most New Yorkers, because most New Yorkers say this, it's all right for you as Christians to believe what you believe, but you should not convert people, you should not tell people that Christianity is better or truer than their beliefs, and that they should change.
Starting point is 00:24:57 You should not try to convert people, you should not say that your beliefs are better or truer than theirs, and that they should change. You mustn't do that. You've heard that statement before? Maybe you believe that? I want to show you for two reasons that that's absolutely wrong. That statement is absolutely wrong. It's absolutely wrong personally and it's absolutely wrong logically. First of all, personally. I mean, the heart doesn't work that way. Imagine a group of families all of whom had one member with MS, multiple sclerosis, a terrible, terrible disease.
Starting point is 00:25:35 And imagine that they all had those members using, taking a treatment using a particular medicine, the same medicine. And what if they found that most of the families found that their MS member was cured? And what if some of the other families found that because of the medicine, they were dramatically improved? And they got together and they began to compare notes and compare experiences and study, and they came to the conclusion that this is the cure for MS and the world needs to
Starting point is 00:26:08 see it so they create a foundation and they create platforms and they get the word out. Now how would you regard them? I think you would look at them and say they may be right, they may be wrong, but there's nothing narrow about them saying, this is the cure. They may be right, they may be wrong, but of course if they think they have the cure and they've experienced it like that, of course they're going to do that. Now, you may think a couple of them are a little overbearing, maybe, you know, they kind of come on kind of hard, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with the campaign. There's nothing wrong with them wanting to do this
Starting point is 00:26:46 and to come to the world and say, this is the cure. Okay, well why would Christians be any different? They aren't different, except that they're more so. Because Christians don't just believe they have a cure for one disease. They believe they have something even more foundational, and so they have to go to the world and say, this is the cure.
Starting point is 00:27:08 And so you ought to say, well, they may be right or they may be wrong, and some of them may be overbearing, and by the way, a lot of Christians are overbearing, but there's nothing particularly narrow about it. There's nothing narrow about it, it's absolutely natural. In the Atlantic Monthly recently, there was an interesting article, actually quite a cool article,
Starting point is 00:27:25 on college atheists, in other words, people who've raised in the church, go to college to become atheists. The whole article about them. And there's this one line I want to, or this one couple of sentences I want to read you. In it, there's this quote, quote, without fail, former church attending students
Starting point is 00:27:45 expressed similar feelings to Michael, a polysci major at Dartmouth who said, quote, I really can't consider a Christian a good moral person if he isn't trying to convert me. See, now that's exactly right, why? If you're a Christian and you believe the claims of Jesus, and you really think that you've got this cure, as it were, then Michael's trying to say,
Starting point is 00:28:10 if you're a good moral person, you've got to be trying to convert me. Oh, I'm sure he doesn't want this to be overbearing, he doesn't want Christians to be, you know, uncivil, you know, all of that stuff. But he's trying to say is, if you believe this, then you're not a good person if you're not trying to convert me, because if you're not trying to convert me, because if you're not trying to convert me, you don't love me or you don't believe it. But it's not just, so to say,
Starting point is 00:28:34 well, Christians can believe what they believe, but they shouldn't try to convert people. They shouldn't try to say that their beliefs are better or right or other people ought to abandon their beliefs and adopt yours. You shouldn't do that. First of all, I try to show you personally that doesn't make sense, but secondly, it doesn't logically
Starting point is 00:28:47 make sense. Let me be brief about this, but it doesn't logically make sense. To say, you must not say that your beliefs about spiritual reality are better than anybody else's. You know, all religions are equally important, right right or valuable to the people. If it helps them, it helps them. You shouldn't say that your take on spiritual reality is better than anybody else's. Well, do you realize what you're doing? At that very moment, you're doing the very thing you're telling other people they can't do. So, for example, there's a couple ways to put it. If you say, no one's faith position about the nature of spiritual reality is the superior one. But to say that is a faith position, you can't prove it scientifically.
Starting point is 00:29:31 And you're saying that it's superior. You're saying that the idea that all religions are equally right is superior to the view that one religion is wrong. Now listen, if it's arrogant to say that one religion is right, why isn't arrogant to say one way of thinking about religions is right? Because what you're really trying to say is, my thinking that all religions are right, is better than your thinking that only your religion is right.
Starting point is 00:29:54 Which means, I think I'm right. And I think it would be better if you believe what I believe, and I think you should change your beliefs and... Uh-oh. You see, you can't avoid making truth claims, exclusive truth claims. As soon as you say nobody should make a truth claim, that's a truth claim. As soon as you say nobody should, you shouldn't say your beliefs are righter than my beliefs, but at that moment you're saying that your beliefs are righter than my beliefs.
Starting point is 00:30:20 You can't overcome this. Now, as soon as you realize that everybody makes exclusive truth claims, Christians are no different than anybody else. Everybody, therefore, has faith in things that they can't prove and is trying to get other people to believe what they believe because they think it would be better for the world if you believe this way rather than this way. Everybody's doing that. Now, okay, can I step out for a second? And say, some of you may conclude, rightly,
Starting point is 00:30:53 that I've had a lot of conversations like this in my lifetime, and I have. And let me just tell you that when you get to this place where the person who is saying, oh, you know, Christians shouldn't be converting people and they shouldn't be public with their faith and they shouldn't be telling them that other people are wrong, when I get them to this place where I say, you're doing the very thing you're telling me not to do, and they say, no, I'm not, and then you say, but you're doing it again, you're doing it again,
Starting point is 00:31:15 you're doing it again, at a certain point they get a little frustrated, not with me, I'm sure. And they say something that I'm actually very sympathetic to. They say, but how are we going to have world peace then? If everybody's out there saying, my religion is the right religion, we're going to have violence, how are we going to have world peace? Okay, that's right, that's the problem. But for a moment, may I just ask you to do something with me? Actually, I'm going to play my, I'm going to play the age card on you. My age card. I'm old enough to remember when the people who were trying
Starting point is 00:31:57 to blow us up, literally, were the communists. See? They're the ones who were trying to blow were the communists. See? They're the ones who were trying to blow us up. Therefore, it's... And they were atheists. So the atheists were the enemies of freedom and democracy. And the religion, of course, is the friend of freedom and democracy. That's what it was in the 50s and 60s and all that when I was growing up.
Starting point is 00:32:17 But now we live in an era in which religious fundamentalists are trying to blow us up. Isn't that right? It's not the atheists anymore. It's religious fundamentalists are trying to blow us up. Isn't that right? It's not the atheist anymore. It's religious fundamentalists. So now everybody says, ah, the enemy of freedom and democracy is religious fundamentalism. And of course atheism now looks like it's free thinking and free ‑‑ can we please escape our cultural moment for a second? And rise up, not grow up, rise up and be objective for a minute. Religion is not the source of violence and atheism is not the source of violence.
Starting point is 00:32:48 Because actually you have Pol Pot, Cambodia, Killing Fields, atheists, communists, you got the Crusades. No, no, no, it's human nature that's the source of violence. It's not religion or irreligion or atheism, it's human nature. And I can tell you what is not gonna help human nature, It's not religion or irreligion or atheism. It's human nature. And I can tell you what is not gonna help human nature. What's not gonna change human nature?
Starting point is 00:33:09 Telling people, don't make any truth claims when you actually are. That's just irritating. If you think, if violence is coming from human nature, and you think, oh, the solution is let's everybody get private. Nobody say that anybody is claiming to have the truth, which of course is a truth claim, which doesn't work at all. The solution is let's everybody get private. Nobody say that anybody is claiming to have the truth,
Starting point is 00:33:25 which of course is the truth claim, which doesn't work at all. It just frustrates everybody, furiates a lot of people. Well then what are we going to do about human nature? Ah, point three. Look at Jesus. Look at his motivation.
Starting point is 00:33:40 Jesus, of course, is pointing this woman away from her natural beliefs to new beliefs, but look how he's doing it. See, the real question is not, the real question is not, how do we get people to stop making truth claims? Because you can't do that. The real question is whose truth claims
Starting point is 00:34:02 are going to lead most to peace or whose view of things is going to produce in them the ability to speak respectfully and gently and lovingly to people with whom they deeply differ. You hear that? Well, let's take a look. First of all, look at verse 27. Just then his disciples returned and were surprised to find him talking with a woman, but no one… Why were they surprised? Do you know? This was a patriarchal society in which men did not speak to women in public usually. Why? Because they were beneath. It was beneath them. This was also a racist society in which Jews saw Samaritans as half breeds.
Starting point is 00:34:53 Thirdly, this was a moralistic society. And a moralistic society in which here's a rabbi talking to a woman who's had five husbands and is living with a man and Who probably came in midday to draw water? Because she and not come in the early in the morning to draw water with the other woman because she was probably something of a social outcast Here's a man speaking to a woman. Here's a Jew speaking to a Samaritan Here's a rabbi speaking to a woman. Here's a Jew speaking to a Samaritan. Here's a rabbi speaking to a fallen woman.
Starting point is 00:35:30 And that just wasn't done, but he's doing it. And not only that, by the way, some commentators point out that a well was a pickup place. And here's Jesus with a woman alone at the well, and he's engaging her. And when the disciples come, they're amazed. And by the way, if you go up into the narrative in the early parts, she was also just as shocked
Starting point is 00:35:51 that this guy would even talk to her. She was on the wrong side of every fence the world puts up. She was a moral outsider, a racial outsider. She was a woman, not a man. She was Samaritan, not a Jew. She was a woman, not a man. She was a Samaritan, not a Jew. She was immoral, not moral. And yet Jesus engages her.
Starting point is 00:36:13 Why? He doesn't care what anybody thinks. Why? So basically there's two motivations for telling people you ought to change your beliefs. One is pride. I'm right and you're wrong. The other is love.
Starting point is 00:36:29 I want you to have what I have. And Jesus Christ is just filled with love. This isn't the way an arrogant, proud, self-righteous person operates. If he was that way, he wouldn't be talking to her at all. And so he is pointing her to eternal life and he is trying to change her beliefs. But so obviously out of love. How do we get that? See, if you could be open with who you are and be able to be public with your faith, but like that, then you'd be part of the solution in the world, right?
Starting point is 00:37:08 Because that's what we need, not people that hide who they are, not people that speak out in a way that's belligerent and that aggravates people, but a way that's true to who you are, but at the same time, respectful and gentle. How do we get that? Here's how we get it, the way she got it. Look at verse 29, then leaving her water jar, the woman went back to the town and said to the people Come see a man who told me everything I ever did now look carefully
Starting point is 00:37:32 This is you know in small towns everybody knows everything So notice what she's saying She's not just saying gosh is he clairvoyant or something? Oh no. Oh no. What he's saying, there's a Jewish rabbi offering me the water of life, and he knows all about me. He told me everything I ever did. Can you imagine her friend saying, he knows everything? Yes. He knows about Harry and Peter and Joe and, yes.
Starting point is 00:38:02 And she said, he saw me to the bottom. He saw me at my worst, but he was offering me eternal life. You know, this is very weird. Here's a rabbi, Jesus, and he's offering her eternal life. He's offering her, remember what that water is? He calls it the water that if you drink it, you'll never be thirsty again. What does he mean? It's soul satisfaction. And he is saying, though you've been looking for it all the wrong places, I can give it to you now. Now as a Jewish rabbi, why wouldn't he say, and say, well look, you know, dear,
Starting point is 00:38:35 I know you mean well, but you know, you've had a really bad track record, and maybe what you need to do is, I'd like to see you just sort of keep your nose clean for six weeks, you know, pull your act together, you know, straighten up and fly right for about six weeks, come back and we'll have a second appointment and maybe then you'll be ready for the water of life. You know, maybe then you'd be, you know, worthy of it. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:38:57 He sees her to the bottom and still offers. See, he saw everything I've ever done. He said, I don't care about your sexual history. Now you know why Jesus can do that? He can offer us the water of life free, even though we don't deserve it, because on the cross, he said, I thirst. When he was up on the cross, one of the things he cries out, I thirst, was he just physically thirsty? Probably not.
Starting point is 00:39:28 He was being separated from God. His soul was shriveling up. He was experiencing what we deserve to experience because we don't live a life we should. But because Jesus Christ went onto the cross and took our sins and took the punishment we deserve so that when we believe in him, God can accept us and he can give us the water of life freely, that's grace. And you know, that changes your identity. What do I mean by that?
Starting point is 00:39:59 Sociologists say, in fact, some social theorists actually say that everybody has their identity based on difference. That is, I feel good about myself because I'm not like them. I feel good about myself because I'm not like them, right? You know that the old prayer that Jewish men prayed centuries ago, you get up in the morning and say, oh Lord, I thank you that you didn't make me a slave, a Gentile or a woman. I got self-esteem because I'm not a woman, because I'm not a slave, because I'm not a Gentile.
Starting point is 00:40:33 What is that? That's pretty obvious. And yet, you know, that is an identity based on difference. In other words, I'm better than you. And honestly, even though it's not usually that overt, when people say I have traditional values and somebody else over there says, well, I'm a progressive open-minded person, somebody else says, well, I am a religious moral person, somebody else says, well, I'm a free thinker, you can just tell the background is I'm not like them. And if you belong to
Starting point is 00:41:02 any other religion but Christianity or if you actually Think you're a Christian and pretty much don't understand the gospel which is true of many many people You believe that you have a relationship with God because you're a good person because you've tried hard because you're moral and therefore when you meet somebody who doesn't believe in God you can assume that you're better than they are. And then your motivation for sharing your faith publicly is one of pride and arrogance, and you just like telling people they're wrong. But what if your salvation was not achieved but received? What if it comes in unmerited? What if your self-esteem is based on a gift? What if your salvation
Starting point is 00:41:44 comes not because you're better, but because you have admitted that you're not better than anybody else and that you need grace salvation? And you know you're loved despite your bad record. That creates a new kind of identity, a new kind of identity so that when you talk to someone, if you know you're saved by grace, not because you're better, not because you're wiser, and you talk to somebody who doesn't believe,
Starting point is 00:42:07 doesn't have salvation, you would never assume that you, that person, you're necessarily better than they are. Because you're not saved because you're better. They might be better, they probably are better. They're probably wiser in some way or more self-controlled in some way. Maybe a better husband, a better wife, a better father, a better mother than you. Why not? Because you're not saved by being a good father but a good mother, wise person. No, no, no. All the superiority's gone. You have a different kind of identity.
Starting point is 00:42:29 And because you have a different kind of identity, because you've seen that Jesus has died on the cross for you, because you see that because he said, I thirst, you can get the water of life freely, you become part of the solution. You become someone who can talk about your faith out of love, but without the haughtiness, without the self-righteousness. Look at this.
Starting point is 00:42:52 He was able to say to her, I don't care about your sexual history. I don't care if you're a hit man for the mob. I can offer you this water of life because I said I thirst. And she goes back to her friends and said He saw me at my worst and loved me. I've never met a man like this come see this man He saw me to the bottom but loved me to the skies You know, she was a great witness and she didn't know much about Christianity really.
Starting point is 00:43:27 You and I know a lot more. What is our excuse? Let's pray. So, Father, thank you so much for eternal life. It comes to us through the thirst, the cosmic thirst, the death of Jesus Christ. We do want to be part of the solution. We live in a pluralistic society. We desperately need people who know how to share who they are but in such a way that is disarming, respectful, loving, brave. And we pray, Father, that You
Starting point is 00:43:58 would make us that. Those kinds of people. Thank you for giving this to us through the grace of Jesus Christ who came not to be served but to serve and to give his life a ransom for many. In his name we pray, amen. Thanks for listening to Tim Keller on the Gospel in Life podcast. If you'd like to see more people encouraged by the Gospel Center teaching and resources of this ministry, we invite you to consider becoming a Gospel in Life Monthly Partner. Your partnership allows us to reach people all over the world with the transformative power of Christ's love and forgiveness. To learn more about how you can become a Gospel in Life Monthly partner, just visit gospelinlife.com slash partner.
Starting point is 00:44:45 That website again is gospelinlife.com slash partner. Today's sermon was recorded in 2013. The sermons and talks you hear on the Gospel in Life podcast were recorded between 1989 and 2017 while Dr. Keller was senior pastor at Redeemer Presbyterian Church.

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