Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #1001: The Techno-Pagan End Times with Dr. Zachary Porcu

Episode Date: June 24, 2026

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If you go up, if somebody comes up to you and says, you want to hear about Jesus, you literally have no idea what the next thing that's going to come out of this person's mouth is. That's how undefined Christianity is. And so it's lost, meaning it's lost all of its cultural purchase. It gets to what? A secular society in which people worship their appetites and their desires and money, pleasure, power. And then you have all these weird religions, pseudo-religious spiritual things sneaking in surrounding AI and technology. and now you're happy because you're the demon in this example because we've gotten rid of christened up and now we can start slowly turning it back into something that looks like ancient man's slavery to the pagan gods Tinfoil hat.

Oh, what the fuck are you guys people talking about? Global controls will have to be imposed. And a world governing body will be created to enforce them. Welcome to tinfoil half. We go deep, home, boy. Eric, open your mic. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere.

That's some interdimensional All right. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. You just blew my mind. Are you ready to get your mind blown? I cast it. All right, guys, and welcome.

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Please welcome Dr. Zachary Porku. How are you, sir? I'm good. How are you? We're very honored to have you on. Thanks for joining us. For our listeners who may not be familiar with you, can tell us a little bit about yourself

and where our listeners can find you. Yes, you can find me at Zachpourkew.com. That's the main way. I have a couple of YouTube channels as well. well. I was on the traditional academic route. I did a master's, a bachelor's and a master's in philosophy, and then I did my PhD in church history at the Catholic University of America in D.C. And I was a teaching, I was a teaching fellow, and then I was a professor for a while. And then my

university went bankrupt and fired everyone. Oh my God. Yeah. And I kind of took a long, a hard look at the state of academia. And a friend of mine who's in the industry told me that on average, one university or college closes per week in the United States. Whoa! Yeah. People don't realize this. The whole education thing was this giant bubble.

And now AI is kind of the death knell in that bubble, I would say. And so I switched to full-time podcasting, and it's been basically like the best. better version of being in the classroom. The students actually want to be there. That's hilarious. What do you, so you think it's AI that is destroying universities? Do you think it's this, a couple things like, you know, a lot of people spending a lot of money on a degree and they can't find jobs? You think that has something to do with it, the, the indoctrination that seems to be going on in colleges, where people come out with a view of the world that doesn't fit how the world reality and they tend to spiral?

I mean, it's all three of those things. So the basic economics is that college just kept getting more and more expensive. And so it's no longer tenable for a 19-year-old to pay $200,000 for something that's a very ambiguous proposition. Like what is actually the value that you're getting from that? And so it's not, how do you pay that back? I mean, that's a minor mortgage from, you know, a long time ago. So you get this kind of half a mortgage for what?

Now you're a debt slave for the rest of your life. That's not a very good value proposition. And then the content of the education itself is very dubious, given the way that it's mostly ideological at this point. If you go into humanities, pretty much almost not everywhere. There are some places, but many, many places, especially state schools. And then the third thing is that AI has now in the last five years made the whole prospect absurd. So the first time chat GPT really hit public awareness that summer I had, as when I was a professor,

there was just nothing but AI cheating, just complete gibberish nonsense papers all of the time. And I had to switch to no homework. So there was no homework after that. It was all in class, handwritten assignments and oral exams after that. Whoa. That's crazy. So you would go, okay, next week, this is our exam and they would have to research and study up to that and take it in class. Wow. Yeah. And a lot of, I mean, not that long ago in this country, their oral, the oral exam was a time tested, honored mode of examination. And so I see, I don't see higher education going away, but I see it massively. shrinking and I see it shrinking to an overwhelming emphasis on competency. And the way that you assess competency, this is something that I've done when I was a, when I was a K-12 teacher at a classical academy on the East Coast was they would do end-of-term oral exams. Basically,

the student would come in and sit in the office with the teacher for an hour and you did dialogue through what we learned that semester and prod the student and ask us to thoughts and what do you think about this and how would you assess this text that we read. And then you gave a grade based on that. And there's just no way to fake that. And even the prep for that is way harder. You actually have to be engaged with and know the material than just putting words on a page. I think I would have done way better with that. Because whenever I would study with people and they'd ask me questions, I could answer it. And then I would go to the written exam and I just couldn't get my thoughts across in a way that

the professor understood probably because I'm functionally illiterate. They would be like, this guy can't even write. How am I going to pass him on this exam? So I actually like that. I talk about that a lot with podcasting that, you know, everyone's like, no one's reading books anymore. And I do think that's a problem. But I do feel that like the oral history was like, more traditional. It's like really going back to old old school. You know, books are old school.

Oral history is old old school where they would speak the knowledge and pass it on. So you'd have a, it's almost like my belief about the difference between smarts and intelligence. Like intelligence is understanding systems, but smart is wisdom of understanding how things work on a more person to person level. So I find that very interesting, very interesting. Wow. Wow. The orality that you're talking about is actually not that long ago. So something that people don't know about the Middle Ages is that, yes, there was a lot of text produced in the Middle Ages, as opposed to this whole like dark ages myth. That's completely fake.

A massive amount of text was produced in the Middle Ages. But the Middle Ages were not mainly text-based. They were oral. so because writing was expensive and if you wanted to copy a text you had to sit there and hand write a copy of a massive text and so people had more things memorized you know the medieval scholastics they basically would have the whole bible memorized all the works of aristotle all the you know anything that they had they just had it all memorized and they could just have this whole dialogue where they'd block quote from memory stuff at each other so primarily the world they lived in was oral And that actually, if you want to put it this way, that's like bigger brain in a certain sense than just having access to text. Like they became the text. It was an incredibly intellectual culture. And writing was secondary and a way to subsidize or preserve the oral content.

One thing about AI that scares me is that will I one day go into surgery with a guy that used AI to pass all of his exams? You're going to have AI doing the surgery pretty soon. Oh, that's interesting. that scares me too. Yeah. Because it should. But why would it be scary if they claim that it's better, that it can't make, that it can't fuck up?

I mean, again, it's scary because it's new, but if they can tell you, it's not going to mess up like a normal doctor would. That's where, like, scientifically, I'm like, all right, the AI sounds really good about now. I mean, there is a human element that leads to, like, the third largest cause of death in America is, you know, medical malpractice. but, you know, there's also like, I don't know, in the moment, things are kind of crazy. And if it's not something that is able to think outside of its set procedures, what does that lead to?

You know, if it's like, A, B, C, D, you know, and it's just like, well, maybe life isn't that. Maybe the situation isn't that. And it's like just with using CHAPT, you see its limitations. medicine is unique in that way because it requires diagnosis. I guess it could be useful for that, right? Like, I mean, that's its best use case is that kind of thing. But as I would say, as in... How does AI deal with variables?

That's my question. Improvisation is what you're talking about, right? What I think AI's biggest thing, best feature is that can take your thought and fine-tune it and refine it. Yeah. But can it have that initial thought? That's the debate. Well, here's a deeper question. The AI, we know how it's built.

It's a machine. And if you've interacted with it much, it's very clear that it thinks in a machine way. So the question is, are people machines? Do we exist in a machine way or do we exist in a living organic way that isn't reducible to a bunch of ones and zeros? And so this is especially pertinent with health because as, you know, mainstream medicine is not the only medicine.

it's not the only medicine that's effective. And whatever your opinions about alternative medicines, the reality is that the industry that we've inherited is a very machine-like industry. It wants to reduce the person to something like an automobile where we can just change out parts, and that's supposedly that's going to be fine. Oh, we put in a metal hip. That's better than a regular hip. It's like, is it?

Are you becoming more machine? And so when you use AI and you say, oh, this thing that's good at machines, thinking, we're going to apply it to this other thing, the human body and mind, which are not machines and are not in any way, even though it's in our mindset to compare them. They're really not in any way comparable to a closed system like a machine. But that's part of our imagination. So we just assume it's fine. Like, oh, it doesn't make mistakes. It's like, what does that mean? Do we understand the body actually? Is the body like a machine? Not really. And at some point, and I put this on the baby boomers and it's i don't think it's their fault but i think so much knowledge was lost in

that generation whether they were weren't taught or they were just spread so thin chasing the american dream that was so it was so in reach like all you had to do is get a job and now you could take care of your so made a funny joke about uh back in the day a man could work one job and have three families you know what i'm saying um but you know so they were just focused on that. And I think a lot of our tradition was lost in that generation. I don't look down on them. I just feel like that was a condition that was thrust upon them. And now all these things, when you talk about, there's not one form of medicine. Yeah, we got a lot of alternative medicine out there that was demonized by the Rockefellers a long time ago that was lost. And, you know,

it's like now all those natural remedies are lost to the world. And, People are so afraid of them. I had a good friend of mine who's dealing with cancer, and there was an alternative, and it's still a pharmaceutical drug, but it's an alternative to the traditional way to deal with cancer. And he goes to me, I'm going to stick with the traditional way. And I'm like, okay, I just love you. I would hate not to give you as many options as I could

to give you the best chance to survive, but it's your life. And I love you, so you, you know, you're going to do what you think's best. It's hard, though, because I've all upset it. Oh, if I ever, like, get some type of cancer, I'm going to go the alternative way. But it's hard when a doctor's looking at you with this coat on and he's like, you need that chemo. It's helped this person. It's hard to be like, yo, I'm going to do with.

No, I get you, dude. It's really hard. So you kind of led into it what you wanted to talk about, the future of AI contextualized through the history of man's relationship with technology. You want to get into that? I mean, yeah, it's kind of weird because we think that. you know so on my podcast a bunch of people we took a poll like what do you guys want to talk about next and everyone wanted to talk about AI and the future of technology and when I was sitting down trying to make the outline for the series I thought we really need to start with mythology

because our relationship to AI is not just a question about oh how good is this tool or what are its uses or how perfect is it or imperfect is it our relationship to AI is much more about our relationship to knowledge in general and what we think technology is for because we all have this kind of naive assumption that like oh well technological progress just going to keep going it's going to keep advancing and then the world will get progressively better i mean that's just kind of this unstated assumption that everybody has it was very true for the baby boomers like you said and so we talked in that series i just started with garden of eden and the book of enoch and the Tower of Babel, and Prometheus,

because the common denominator in all those stories actually is forbidden knowledge. And it's weird because the juxtaposition that happens is man is immature, but then he reaches for knowledge before he's mature enough to wield it properly. I like that. That's what's going on in the Garden of Eden. Now, just for that one, a lot of people, a lot of critics of religion will say, like, you see, the church hates knowledge, it hates free thinking. That's why it's demonized.

Eve is this independent woman who wants to know things, and she's the villain of that story. But the commentary of the early church fathers is that God always intended to give man the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, except not yet, because man was just born, functionally. He was immature. And so the sin is taking it before you're ready. It's the same reason you don't give a toddler a handgun. I mean, that's very real. Or you don't let a toddler watch an R-rated movie. That's just not, or tenure. We understand that, okay, there's things that need to be done at certain levels of maturity. And so you get these stories all throughout the Bible and other mythologies where the motif is the same. A spirit or a God, like the devil, or Prometheus, goes to give knowledge to man before he's ready for it, and the result is disaster.

And that's the same, basically the Tower of Babel is this attempt to control the heavens using technology. That's how it gets read. A lot of other stuff like that. I don't know if you guys, are you guys familiar with the book of Enoch? Yes. Yes, very much. We've had a lot of discussions on this show.

I find what you're saying is super fascinating. In particular, when I look at my own child, You know, my own child and her love of her tablet. And people hate tablets. And I'm like, okay, explain to me what they're supposed to do now that we don't let them go outside. Dad's got to work. You know, they need, they play a lot. And then they go to school all day.

They want, who doesn't want a little time off to just decompress? You know, but it definitely sped up their maturity. Like when my daughter discovered the pad, she stopped playing with her toys as much. Her sister loves her toys And she is on her pad My other one But the one definitely is like love And she brings up insane

Questions And stories that you never would have to think a six year old was Like literally wanted to have a talk with me about flat earth Regardless of whether you're into that or not But for a six year old to want to have that conversation Is crazy to me So But going right into your, should she have had that at six years old?

Should she have been on the tab at six years old? And there's a lot of social issues that come in about just letting your kids now go outside. Even statistically, it's almost improbable that anything will happen to them. But because of the propaganda of who there's bad people everywhere, we're afraid to let our kids outside. So it becomes, it's a very hard position for parents. to be in right now. So I find what you're saying about God and not giving them knowledge too quickly completely resonates with me. Yeah, and part of the problem with the culture that we've created in the modern world is that we create all of these problems and then the only solutions to them

are more problems. So, you know, yes, all of a sudden, well, when I say like, actually, how about how about no iPad? And then people are like, well, what am I supposed to do? Both of us work, have to work all the time to afford something that, you know, like you said, one man could have three families, you know, 100 years ago on this job. It's like you create these social conditions. Even if you leave your wife at home and you can somehow afford to pay for her to stay at home and not have a job, this is something we talked about on a recent series called The Feminine, where female culture has been destroyed because there is no local culture. Women don't have neighbors that they all know that they collaborate with.

Yes. You know, even like 70 years ago, the women were all at home. They knew every other woman on the block. They probably all went to the same church. The kids all ran up and down the block all the time because all the women had their heads poking on the window watching them. And they all had the authority culturally to go slap the kids around if they were doing something bad.

And so you have local culture. And what's tied into that? Well, walkability. Now we have this car culture. I'm from Southern California. It's just all car culture. You cannot exist without a car, which means the friends you go to church with are not in walking distance. There are 20-minute drive away.

Well, now guess what? You don't have local culture. You don't know your neighbors. Like every single part of modernity aims at a different kind of life that is normal for the human. And then you get to the end of the equation. It's like, therefore, the easiest thing is to give the tablet. Yeah. Again, it's, it's, when I was a kid, we went outside and played.

That doesn't happen anymore. I think in smaller towns it does because everyone knows each other. But in L.A., it's like I talk about, like, nobody in my block talks. And when it is talking, everyone's fight with each other. It's either gangbangers or IDF. That's what lives around me, dude. So it's like, what are you going to do, dude? What are you going to do?

Dana's fighting with everybody. I'm just, you're going to get me sniper fired. You're right. You can't because there's like homeless people walking up the sidewalk, just grab a kit, you know? Yeah, it's like, it's, there's parts of L.A. where you could do that, but those are super expensive places to live. And the valley is really nice to have children because there is so many parks. But yeah, you're totally right about that. It's, it's, it's so interesting, man. Like, you know, I've been on a real spiritual journey and it's, it's been crazy to me to learn like how, how right the Bible is about so much stuff and this kind of propaganda to get people to not read it and not understand it. A lot of the ways reading it for the last 500 years have frankly been cringe. So I understand why people were turned off for a generation about it.

Tell me about it. What are your thoughts on that? I mean, the idea that, I mean, there's so many problems. Like, we did a whole series. called American religion. And Americans have this really weird relationship to Christianity. They have very specific ways of framing the biblical stories. You know, like if you know about Calvinism, Calvinism is kind of this very deep religious framework that most Americans have, even if they're not Calvinist, which is something like, God is this angry father. You're a screw up, so he's pissed off at you. And you need to like really do XYZ thing and be, pious and righteous because then you can accept Jesus into your heart and Jesus is going to get spanked

for you so that way we appease the wrath of the Father. And it's like this is part, this is like a very strange way of reading the Bible. And I'm being a little ungenerous here, but that's mostly the take that that's systemic. And I think so much of modern Western and especially American Christianity is concerned with like God's magic. me. I'm a sinner. I'm going to hell. Like Jonathan Edwards, you know, sinners in the hands of an angry God. All of these takes are really foreign to, let's say, the fourth century Christians. This is a strange way of reading the Bible. And no wonder modern Americans have all this neuroticism about feeling judged by religion. It's very toxic, actually. So what is your take on? What is the real

Christianity then? So I'm an Eastern Orthodox Christian, and I converted in college after doing the dangerous job of reading history. This will get you in trouble. And I was reading the early church fathers, and they basically just say, you know, so these would be the guys like second and third century who were in living memory of the original apostles. And we have their writings. We just have them. They're not in the Bible, but it's like we still know that those who are the guys who were the disciples of the disciples. And when you read their writing, it's very explicit about how the church should be set up, sacraments and bishops and priests and all this stuff.

And I'm sitting there reading this as a college student thing. Oh, dear, I have to rethink my whole life now because the Orthodox Church traces its ancestry back to those guys. And we have just records of bishops and priests going all the way back to the first century preserving those teachings. And the idea that that could be so easily demonstrated by basic history was not even on my radar growing up as a vague kind of Protestant because it was made out that religion was this kind of ultimate matter of personal opinion that no one could really prove. And you kind of have to leave everybody about it. That's so interesting. So where do you think it became corrupted? Well, on earth we tend to screw things up.

And so there's been a constant series of corruptions throughout all of church history. There's always been heresy since the beginning. There's always been attempts to subvert the gospel. And the church constantly responded to those, you know, almost every century for all, for its whole life. Now, where did, where did we get the modern Christian? Christianity that we have historically, starts with the split between the Eastern and Western churches, where the Western Church becomes the Catholic Church, the Bishop of Rome. And then the second shift is when the Protestant reformers break from the Catholic Church. By the time you have Protestantism, there's really no explicit institutional or even theological connection to what had been going on several centuries earlier.

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Well, I don't like lumping Christianity with Talmudic Judaism and Islam because those latter two are really a medieval phenomenon. They don't really get started until about the sixth century. And Christianity starts five centuries earlier. And it has a very different, very different character. But sorry, I'm being a. No, I love this. I'll listen to that too.

I'm being an academic here. Dude, we're all about it. you can go deep into that too. Well, that's just my academic footnote. But to answer your question, you know, there's many cynical ways to read things. I'm pretty cynical at this point. But one way to read the Reformation is that the Reformation was very much of value to the ruling kings and princes of Europe at the time.

Because the problem with the quote-unquote problem with being a king or prince in the late middle ages is that you could be held morally accountable by the Pope. If you did something morally egregious, you could get excommunicated by the Pope. And that actually meant something political. That was a really big deal in Western Catholic Europe. And so if you're a ruler, you probably don't want to have moral accountability. It would be much more convenient if you were morally accountable to no one but yourself. And so a lot of these people realized, I'm being, again, I'm,

underpaid to overgeneralize. That's what I say in the podcast. A lot of these people realize, like Henry the 8th, that they didn't have to obey the Pope if they weren't part of the Pope's religion. And the way you don't be part of the Pope's religion is you create an alternative religious system that is not answerable to the Pope, such as Anglicanism. Whoa. Kurt Messra always says that, like, the big next level to the highest levels of power is

your own religion. And who's the head of the Church of England? The King of England. That's how it was defined in the beginning. So now there is no moral accountability for the state. The state is higher than the church. Whoa. In a kind of communist kind of way, even though communism isn't about God, but the state

is bigger than religion. Whoa. So the way I characterize all forms of government following the Reformation in the including fascism and all forms of communism and all forms of liberal democracies and republics or whatever, they all share one thing in common, which is that they're all what we might call state absolutist, meaning the state is absolute, there is no moral accountability higher than the state. Certainly no religion, and so we have to have this wall of separation, blah, blah, blah. But what is that for?

And I just can't help but see it when I look at the beginning of the Reformation as a way for states to have absolute power without moral accountability. I that completely makes sense to me does it make sense of you johnny yeah for sure yeah i mean i can also understand the desire to i mean the pope doesn't have uh what we just he's not batting a thousand all the popes through history right you know i'm saying so i could understand why you'd want to unshackle yourself potentially from from but there's also also the again being nefarious and coming in and manipulating people's thoughts. That certainly, yeah, that seems to be this

Babylonian movement to infiltrate all these different religions and kind of twist them in a way that fits what they believe. I think they've all been infiltrated at this point. Yeah, I do too. You want to hear my demonological tin foil hat

conspiracy? Absolutely. We're all for it, dude. Okay, so what I have to ask you do. So here's the premise you have to start with. Let's assume that all the gods and spirits are real. Just any, all the mythology is to assume it's all real. The early Christians certainly believe that too. You guys don't know. The early Christians believed in the existence of the pagan gods.

You read Justin Martyr, he says, oh yeah, they're real. Turtillion says astrology used to work, all of that stuff. Now, what do they think? Well, they thought that the gods, the pagan gods were fallen angels, basically. And so the argument from Justin Martyr, St. Justin Martyr, to his pagan opponents was not your gods are fake, but your gods are evil. Like, look at Zeus. He sleeps around. He's awful. He bullies people. You can't worship this guy. He's a loser. And so that was the whole issue with Christianity and pagans at the beginning. And how you would read it. So here's my demonological conspiracy. One way to read the world history, especially our history with religion, is this.

In the beginning, God created the gods and the heavens and the earth. And he placed the gods in charge of different regions of the world to help steward men. And when man was in his infancy, he put man's older brother, the angels over him. Then the angels fell, you know the book of Enoch. And man fell partly because of one of the angels, the devil. And then everything went to hell. And what that led to was the creation of the pagan religions. So the pagan religions were basically created by these fallen rebel spirits as ways to enslave and control humans.

Then Christ comes onto the scene. And what he does is he overthrows all of the old gods. And instead of the 12 Olympians, he puts the 12 apostles in their place. In other words, the demons are dethroned and man is put back in rulership of the earth, the way it was supposed to be. And so that's why 12 comes up and all of these things. We can talk more about that if you want. So then what follows is several centuries of Christians going around Europe and all over the world, smashing idols and destroying temples.

Because the Christians really believe and understand that these places contain demonic spirits that mind control people and extort them for sacrifices and virgins and whatever the gods want. And so Christianity abolishes all of that old pagan order. St. Patrick goes around Ireland with a sledgehammer, smashing images of Cromcrick, because Cromchruc is Mollock and Mollock eats babies. I mean, that's just everyone knows that. It's Carthaginians, et cetera. So then you get what, christened up. So the gods are overthrown.

And Christ and his church rules and there are no more. The pagan order is over. Man is no longer a slave to the gods. wonderful well guess what the gods are still real no one killed them their spirits so they're lurking around in the background the church fathers say that they were all driven into the desert to flee the cities because the cities had become christianized that's why the monks go out into the desert to chase them with prayer and beat them up more so then you're a demon and it's circa 1200 and you're sitting and thinking like we cannot win the religious fight with these Christians because Christianity

the cross just beats us. The saints just beat us. You know, there's wizard battles between sorcerers and saints all throughout. Let me ask you something, because you're cooking with gas. Do you believe that wizardry is real? Do you believe, like, mysticism, within your, I would, would you call yourself a Christian scholar? Yeah. Okay. Within your Christian scholar believes, is mysticism real? Is it automatically bad? manipulation of energy and all that stuff. Well, it depends. I actually did my doctoral thesis,

partly answering this question because our modern categories are kind of screwed up about it. So it's like we think all supernatural things are like weird and need to be explained. But ancient people didn't think that. The ancient people said they didn't have a supernatural category. The whole world was spiritual and enchanted to them. They just assumed that from the beginning. Their question was, where does this come from? which god, which spirit, etc.

And so the idea, this is kind of a side note, but the word sorcerer comes from the Latin word for fate source, SORS, and that's someone who manipulates fate with his power, seeking knowledge to get power over the physical world. That was considered deeply impious, even to the pagan Romans. The pagan Romans had laws that outlawed witchcraft, and punished it by death and torture because everyone knew that this was a super impious thing to do.

It's better to supplicate the gods and hope that they favor you. If you try to control the gods or blackmail them, you're in trouble and they're probably going to blow up Rome if you do that. Whoa. And so the early Christians knew all this, and they encountered wizards and they dealt with this, and you read their apologetics to sorcerers. They're like, hey, you can't do sorcery.

Here's why. They don't say it was. fake. They say it's bad. So anyway, so you're a demon and it's 1,200 AD and you're stressed out because you've been driven into the desert and you cannot win the religious war. Your wizards have all lost to the saints. Your magic has all failed under the sign of the cross. You can't do anything and you can't take back Christendom. So what do you do? Well, you go in and you ruin Christendom very slowly from the inside over the course of several centuries like you guys have been And there are shifts in scholastic thought that kind of slowly turn the boat towards a different way of thinking about the world.

And in the Reformation, we get this motion to take religion from being the purview of the community to being the purview of the individual. Whatever I feel, again, over generalizing, is right. we have this deep sense that individual feeling and freedom are equal to truth. And that's the, we get there from the Reformation in the West. And then right after that, all of Christianity falls completely apart. The Reformation schisms and schisms and schisms and schisms. Today, Pew Research says there's between 30 and 50,000 denominations of Christianity. And so if somebody goes up to it, yeah, that's a lot.

That's a lot. And even if you say, well, that's massive over-exaggeration, half of that is too much, 10% of that is too much, you know, 2% of that is too much. And so if you go up, if somebody comes up to you and says, you want to hear about Jesus, you literally have no idea what the next thing that's going to come out of this person's mouth is. That's how undefined Christianity is. And so it's lost, meaning it's lost all of its cultural purchase. It has no emphasis on our imaginations. It has no grip on our imaginations. And so it gets to what?

A secular society in which people worship their appetites and their desires and money, pleasure, power. And then you have all these weird religions, pseudo-religious spiritual things, sneaking in surrounding AI and technology. And now you're happy because you're the demon in this example, because we've gotten rid of christened up. now we can start slowly turning it back into something that looks like ancient man's slavery to the pagan gods. That is incredible. That is what I've been thinking, and I'm not smart enough to articulate it in the way you just said it.

That is amazing. I think you're spot on, dude. I think you're spot on. Can I add something? Yes. So I don't know what kind of Christian. circles you grew up in, but you probably heard people talk about, oh, well, don't make an idol out of television and don't make an idol out of, you know, your hobbies or whatever. And what the Christian

means with this is don't over obsess over this such that you're, you know, skipping church or something like that, because they use this idol language from the New Testament. But ancient Christians, again, all knew what an idol was. And so did most ancient societies in the ancient Near East and the Mediterranean, which was a specific ancient technology. So there's this text called Esclepius. It's by this Egyptian Hermes trisemegistus. It's written in Greek. That's a long story. But basically, he tells his grandson, you know, our ancestors all knew this ancient technology of idol making. And he basically goes on to describe how if you want to catch a spirit and make do stuff for you, you build a physical object that you can house the spirit. It could be a statue

of that spirit, like a statue of Zeus or something, or it could be filled with things that the spirit likes. Certain metals correspond to certain gods. Certain plants correspond to certain gods. Certain gods likes to eat the sacrifice of certain kinds of animals. So you basically lay a trap for the spirit. You use secret magic rituals to lure the spirit there and trap it in the object. And now you have a spirit trapped in an object like a genie in a bottle. That's what a genie in a bottle is. Whoa, I never thought about that. That's a demon in a bottle. Right. And the thing is- I dream a genie's dark. Well, you trap a spirit in an object, because spirits are physical. No ancient person would have said otherwise. They're made of breath or gas. You trap them in an object

with magic. And now you can get them to do stuff for you. That's why the wishes thing and the genie. Like, that's where all that comes from. And all these ancient people knew this. And so when St. Patrick's going around smashing idols of Crumcruick, it's because he knows that there's a spirit in there. And you have to break the bond so people can't have access to it anymore. Because you bring sacrifices to it and that it does stuff.

The early church fathers say, like, oh, yeah, those things, they'll prophesied. They'll do healings, miraculous healings. They'll do all kinds of stuff. You got to get rid of them because then they take your soul. You know, and so when I look at AI today, it's so hard for me as a historian not to get flashbacks to this. Because what's the proposition? How would you explain AI to Socrates? You say, well, we built this very sophisticated little object.

And we used a ritual that took a long time and a lot of energy and attention. And we put a thing in there. And the thing can talk back to you. And it can prophesy and it can advise and it can do all these kinds of things. And now everybody has one. And we constantly are giving it our attention in exchange for this. I, dude, spot on. Because we've been hearing this that AI is the fallen angels, but we're getting into demons.

And that's incredible, dude. But it's just the same thing they were doing in the ancient world. Like nothing is new. we tend to think that we're superiors of the ancients because we have iPhones, but literally if you transported a pig enrollment to today and try to explain any of things to him, iPhone, computer, whatever, he'd be like, oh, magic, that's illegal. We're going to crucify you. Yeah, dude. We always think it's so interesting the way we're presented the past as everybody was bloodthirsty bigots

that only worked from like hate and didn't understand love and didn't understand kind of everything that we accept as the Stas quo now when in reality there might have been an understanding that hey dude you're letting dark energy in

you're letting some dark stuff in well I mean when you're Catholic we still have idols like we still pray to these certain people that have magic I mean there's a reason we we pray to them like they're saints And there's these. What are your thoughts on that?

You know, like maybe the Vatican. I have friends of mine who I love with all my heart. When they pray, they pray to Mary. They do prayers to marry. Like, what is your thoughts on all that? I pray to bury. I mean, the, so the question is, you know, for me, as a person who's basically practicing an ancient form of Christianity, I'm on the same page with pagans and that the world is

full of spirits. The whole world is enchanted. That's just a given for basically every. ancient person in every single culture before the Reformation, before Scholasticism. So for me, that's non-problematic. The question is, who are you praying to? Who are the good guys and who are the bad guys? That's, it's just a moral question.

It's not like, because the modern kind of person will think like all supernatural things are iffy. And a certain type of evangelical Christian is very skeptical of the things that Catholics and Orthodox do because it looks like magic to them. them. But that's just because the evangelical, you know, forgive me, has a very secular way of framing the world that comes from the Reformation and the Enlightenment. And they're trained to say that supernatural things are basically like kind of a new agey or potentially satanic or whatever. But it's like interchristians and modern day Catholics and Orthodox are just like, well, yeah,

but those are the good guys. Oh, so Mary in that she's a good guy is okay to pray. to her? Well, I mean, if you would ask me to pray for you, why wouldn't you ask Mary to pray for you? Yeah, to be clear, I don't know, Sam, maybe, maybe anybody's explain this, but they're praying for intercession on their behalf. So you're praying to someone to kind of pray for you, you know, to God. Okay. You get, like, that's how I've always understood. You're not praying to them as a God, but you're asking for their help and prayer. Because they're closer, like, Mary would be, you play Mary asking like, hey Mary, since you're Jesus' mother, can you, like, you know, hey, son, we got someone down here that needs some help type of thing, which is kind of like what you're doing.

It's like she's got more time on her hands. Yeah. Very interesting. Glad that. So I'm going to ask a dumb question that probably Johnny understands and probably XG, hopefully. Define what the reformation is. Please. Yeah.

If you could. Yeah. No, it's a great question. And how people answer this question tells you probably what religion they are, actually. So just literally, the Reformation is the period in 16th century Europe, in which, starting with Martin Luther, who was a Catholic, there was a basically revolution slash rebellion slash dismantling of the old Catholic order. So Luther kind of starts his own religion. and then a bunch of the other reformers start their own religions. It's this kind of rebellion against Catholicism.

The aim is to fix the problems with Catholicism at the time, which is true. There were problems with Catholicism at the time, but a reform, and a reform had been talked about by Catholics for the last century. There are people, lots of people who are working on reform, and reform did happen over the next couple hundred years. but the Protestant Reformation was not really a Reformation. It was the creation of a new religious system, a series of new religions. And each one said, well, we'll fix Catholicism by doing this, but that created a new religion. And then somebody said, no, no, no, we're going to fix it like this. Well, then that created a new religion.

And then people disagreed within those about how we should fix that. And then those became two new religions and five new religions. So now we have the 30,000. But that's this period of European history that people, historians tend to mark that as the beginning of the modern era and the end of the old Catholic medieval world. And it's concurrent with a whole bunch of innovations in mercantilism and leads to secular government, leads to scientific revolution, leads to all these other things that we tend to think of as the start of the modern era. but really they're all, and this is my answer, really the Reformation is the beginning of the secular era, because after that we no longer have christened dumb. We don't have a Christian culture.

You have a lot of people who are Christians, but they cannot agree on the fundamentals of the faith or even what those fundamentals should be. And so, necessarily, religion becomes a matter of public opinion, and then the state, therefore, becomes secularized, and then flash forward, and you have the 20th century, the war of the nation state, the secular nation states over who will rule the earth. Yep. Once we get rid of God, then it becomes a whole different thing, right? Hey, are you a dad?

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I love this idea. It's great. So you kind of got into this a little bit, but I don't know if you want to go a little deeper into the techno paganism future and what you think that looks like? Well, there's, if you want to go all the way with the demonological conspiracy, I love it. Then the narrative is something like, now that Christendom is truly gone,

and there's nothing even resembling Christendom anymore, we're in this kind of spiritual wasteland where people can't really sign off on the idea that there's no such thing as spirituality, because it's just part of who. we are and we all know that the spiritual world exists. And so people were kind of groping after it and looking for something to worship. I mean, the sort of new atheist tenure, that decade of new atheism was so cringe and it just, it misunderstood everything about the human experience. Like, oh, we don't need God anymore. We're free from that primitive hypothesis. But it's like, you look around, everybody's into spiritual everything all of the time, you know. One time I was in class and I said,

all right guys who believes in karma raise your hand every girl raised her hand and i and i said oh so you're really worried about how you're going to get reincarnated in your next life and you're doing this karma calculation to like make sure you get reincarnated correctly and they're like what because that's that's the hindu and buddhist understanding of what actually karma is but the american understanding is you know well i said well what do you mean by karma then and one girl said well, if you do good things, good things will happen to you. And I said, why do you believe that if only the material world exists? What does that even mean good things?

That doesn't mean anything. But it's like, we all have this latent spiritual way of understanding the world. We just are taught to not call it. And so the point being, we want to worship. We want to believe in the spiritual world. And we're ready to worship anything, really. And that's where I see what I'm calling techno-paganism, Jamie Dyer, and Jay Dyer have been calling it that.

Apparently, I was just talking to Jamie about this. A lot of people have been calling it that, which is it's this kind of new form of pagan religion in and through technology. Because modern man has been too propagandized about history to be kind of non-ironically religious. Like we still think we have this cultural sense that being or traditional religion is kind of cringy. and so but but if aliens exist ah we can sign off on that oh if a i is going to become a supreme intelligence oh we can we can buy that one because that's scientific you know that's kind of the that's kind of the way that we frame it in a way that makes it acceptable to our modern sensibilities

but if you buy the demonological conspiracy theory then this is just another way that aliens are or sorry, that demons are sneaking in, putting on the alien mask or putting on the AI mask or putting on whatever mask that you will get you to worship it. And then they're fine with it. You know, they get the worship and the attention that they want. We get to worship, which is what we want. And then the pagan religions will come back in a new form

under new names, but it'll fundamentally be the same thing. I mean, how else do you describe, like, pornography in the phenomenon like the internet weirdo phenomenon that it is now outside of saying that Aphrodite is just on the loose like she's in the box everywhere

trying to suck your attention away. She's got it. And how else do you explain all these things like Ares wants war? That's why we have to keep going to war and Mollick wants babies. He wants to eat the babies. I mean it's just the and we talk about the economy.

The economy wants things. It needs things. You know, Mammon needs the money to flow. It's just as soon as you shift your paradigm slightly and start looking at things as these large movements in civilization and history as the way

the ancients thought of them, which is vast cosmic intelligences, then you go, oh, the ancient people were like right on track. That makes perfect sense. Have you written a book about any of this? I have not.

I wrote my doctoral dissertation was on this, but it was very academic. I did, if you're really interested in more of this topic, I did a two-part series, six episodes called The Dark Logos and six episodes called Technopaganism. That's on my substack. But I'm probably going to write a book on it eventually. I'd be so interesting, dude. There's also something about. I feel with atheists is like, you know, even though you had the girl gone, you know, you do good things, bad things happen. I mean, good things happen to you. But I don't know how much of that is like a belief or a fear with atheists that if you do bad things, bad things are going to happen. And it's like almost this desire to not believe that there's accountability for your actions. You know, like they're running from. something. So it's easier to believe there's nothing because if there's nothing, then there's no

kind of price to pay for your actions in your judgment. And it's like, oh, there's no gods. There's no gods. There's means nothing. You know, it's like Sam Harris is like an atheist, but he does meditation classes. It's just like, how do you? While, you know, it's Tim Dillon's famous rant about Sam Harris being an atheist and then running a meditation app as he's simultaneously calling for the bombing of of gauzing children. It's just like the ability to be able to work that all together only comes to the fact that you believe there's nothing,

there's no price to pay in the afterlife at all, in my humble opinion, that you just don't think that you're going to pay for your, that we're just, you know, as Bill Hicks called it, like he either called us viruses with shoes or monkeys with shoes on. And that once you take your last breath, nothing happens after that.

It's like so crazy because you don't want to believe there's consequences for what you've done in this world. Yeah. And I was extremely critical of the new atheist movement because almost nothing they said actually makes any sense at all. It's very historically ignorant and logically, and logically, it's always very confused. You know, they're like, there's no such thing as objective morality. Also, the Catholic Church is objectively immoral, you know, like this is costly happening.

But like the most charitable way to read that reaction is, okay, it seems that religious people hurt you. And that's kind of what I was getting at before about the forms of Christianity of the last few hundred years being cringe. Because it's like we, you have to look at somebody who's so relieved that there's no God. Why would you be relieved that there's a great question? Because the Christian understood. The Christian understanding of God is that he is love itself. He loves you personally more than you love anything. And he wants to draw you up into his life like a loving father and share in all glory and joy with you.

That's Christianity. And so why would you be relieved that none of that is true? Like, relieved. And I think the answer historically is that Christianity stopped being portrayed as that by many people and started being portrayed as this other thing, this angry God, God, the father who's pissed at you because you're a screw up and you're going to go to hell. It's like, that's so neurotic. And that kind of concern is, even in your language, you just, you couched it in terms of accountability after you die. That's very Protestant, actually.

That's part of our cultural imagination because we're, because the primary, one way to understand it is this. The primary kind of Western Christian model for salvation is a courtroom where there's an accuser, you're the accused, and you need to somehow get justified before the law. Whereas in Orthodox Christianity, the primary image all of the time in the early fathers is that the church is a hospital and you're sick. And the saints are here to help you and to heal you. I mean, St. John Chris Austin, one of the most prolific preachers of all times. time he's fourth and fifth century he said the church is not a courtroom the church is a hospital like he's just definitive about that because god loves you and uh you guys know the story of the prodigal son

you know he goes away and he's waste all his money and then he comes back and the father brings him back you know it's pointed out by many people that there's no judgment there's no paying the price there's no i told you so say you're sorry The father just, he says nothing. He doesn't even chide to the son. He says, we're having a party, kill the fad of calf, break out the wine, my son's back. He was dead and now he's alive. There's no judgment at all.

There's no courtroom scene. There's just this loving father. And that's one of the longest parables about salvation in the whole gospels. Is there something that is in between us and going to heaven or wherever you think we might go? Is there a judgment there where we're like atoning for sins and what we did wrong? You know, we've had, I don't know, your thoughts on near death experience people. A lot of them said they felt everything they ever did to anybody. What is your thoughts on that?

Depends on who you ask, but the orthodox view is that when you die, your soul separated from the body, which is not a good thing. Your body goes into the ground, and then your soul goes into some kind of heart. holding place like Hades, like the place of the dead that the pagans believed in. And it's not entirely pleasant there because you're separated from your body and that's that's kind of painful and stressful. Like if you eat when you're stressed and then you're separated from your body and you can't eat and then you're just kind of kind of got to be miserable, right? So that's kind of why Hades is unpleasant. And then so then you're just there until Christ returns. And when

Christ returns, all of the dead are raised, so all the bodies out of the ground, all the souls are freed from Hades, put back into the bodies, and then there's the judgment. And then each person goes up before Christ and gives an account. And then, and this part's debated. It's like some people are admitted to the kingdom of evidence. Seems like some are not. You know, there's different opinions about that. And so death is kind of this waiting time. That's why we actually pray for the debt to kind of console them while they're waiting. That's a very, very old Christian tradition to always pray for the dead. And so if you hear all that and you have the Western mind about God being just this judgmental father, then that's kind of sounds like a courtroom and that sounds very

judgmental. But the kind of bigger picture is two things. One is there's one of the church father says that at the judgment, Christ himself is going to look for everything he can do to forgive you and show you mercy. He doesn't want to condemn you. He just wants to see that you were trying. You were really trying because then you're able to enter the kingdom of heaven. You have humility. You can actually be part of that community because you're really trying. Well, who would not enter that community. Well, people who actually don't want to try. They don't want to be better. They do want to hurt and abuse and torment people. And you meet people like this sometimes. It's very odd. They have this like demonic energy to them. And the one way that this is put, C.S. Lewis put it this

way. He said, hell is locked from the inside. The people there do not want to go to heaven. They hate that idea. They want to be miserable. They want to be miserable. They want. to be addicts, they want to be abusers, that sort of thing. That's so interesting. I'm trying, dude. I'm trying my hardest. So let's get you brought up kind of the beginning of the West. What do you, what do you think that means what is the West?

A lot of like modern day conservatives especially have this kind of rose-colored thing about that. They kind of identify it with the starting of America, if they're Americans. and then they think, ah, yes, the Enlightenment and the Reformation were all great things. And it led to the America and the new kind of society and all this stuff. And then they kind of lump in like, oh, well, the predecessors for us were, of course, the great Greco-Roman world, the Roman Empire, the ancient Greeks, you know, they were our predecessors. And they kind of try to claim that as part of the West.

But I don't think that's true. I think what the West means is kind of the thing. that started at the end of this medieval era and led to the destruction of Christendom and the replacement of Christendom with secularism and is now kind of moving towards this new sort of techno-paganism. And that secular world, I think that's really what the West is, because it's not compatible at all with Christendom. We look nothing like an actual Christian society, whatever American evangelicals want to say about it. We don't have bishop. for example, that can excommunicate the president in any way that matters.

So that's, if you define the West in those terms, then it's pretty clear that the West is dying. Like our dream, our grand vision for the world where technology liberates us and the historical progression is always toward more technology, more education, more freedom, more consumerism, more happiness, more peace. It's like, that's not happening. And many intellectuals pointed this out during the world wars in the 20th century, when more people were killed than all previous civilizations and epochs combined in more horrible ways than had ever yet been imagined. It was really hard to believe in the Western myth of progress with a straight face after the 20th century, basically.

And the diehards are holding on to that, like, oh, AI will save us, the aliens will save us. This is the solution. It just looks like cope to me. I mean, to use a phrase, it just, it's getting worse. Standards of living are going down. Income is going down. Mental health crisis is going up. I mean, it's really hard to say that the myth of progress is working.

No, I completely agree. I completely 100% agree. And, you know, it just gets so hard to want to save people that don't seem to want to be saved. It's just really hard. It's just because you see it. Everyone on the show sees it. The listeners of the show see it. They understand what's happening.

And to express that brings great chaos into your life. And it's like people are so upset that you would challenge their way that they see the world. And you go, but you're going down a dark path. They don't care. And it's kind of just gotten me to this point where it's just like you can't save anybody. They got to save themselves. Especially like, you know, I deal with recovery. I'm a recovered drug addict and alcoholic.

And friends of mine just struggle. And you just, I was just thinking about this the other day about how like I have a friend of mine struggling. And it's like on this side is so easy. It's like, you know, you got a choice between two apartments you want to live in. you know this one apartment is tranquil and quiet and simple and you wake up and the birds are chirping and this one is strippers and crick and you know gang bangers and all that stuff and it seems like really exciting but it's chaos dude and you it's an easy choice but people can't do it dude they just can't do it and it makes me sad and it's like you know when you talk about god and it's just

I just know as people get closer to God, they get happier. People get a farther from God. Their anxiety and their depression, their anger goes up. And you're like, can't you see it? Can't you see it? The people screaming loudest that your way of life is wrong and it's an old way of thinking and it's bigotry. They don't look happy.

You want me to believe that you're the way to go. You don't seem happy. Are you on psych meds? And again, if you're on psych meds, I'm not going to judge you. You got to do what you got to do. I would never tell you get off it. That's something you got to do. But, man, are you on psych meds telling me about what happiness is?

It's a great question. It's crazy to me that no one else sees it. And this is from a guy to flunk first grade. You know, like, what are we doing here, dude? How can I can see it? You know what? Go on. I see a lot of this myself, and then I see a lot of it, you know, in the mirror every day as well.

100%. And, you know, what I, what I end up saying to myself applies to everybody, which is like, you just have to keep picking yourself up and trying again. And what do we say? With the Lord, there is mercy and plenteous redemption. Like, God loves you. I mean, and it sounds corny to say it like that. But, but I don't, I don't know what else.

I don't know what more hopeful thing you could possibly say. So here's like a random connection for you. Aristotle talks about happiness a lot. But the word he uses in Greek is eudaimonia. And you see the word demon in there, eudaimonia, and demonia, basically. And what he means by it, I thought a lot about how to translate this.

Greek's kind of hard to translate. But it's something like being smiled upon by a god. That's kind of what his definition of happiness is. And what that means is that you're not just enjoying pleasures. It means that you're kind of fundamentally aligned to the moral reality, the way the cosmos ought to be. You're in right relation to existence. That's his sort of definition for happiness. And he was a pagan Greek.

So if you take out a god and you replace it with the God, who is love itself, existence, itself, reality itself, then that's like the most fundamental way to be aligned or oriented to reality. And that means there's hope for everybody. And it's a constant process. It's not like a one-time thing. Every day you just keep picking yourself back up and moving closer. So I want to get into something with you.

It's one of the notes you sent me that really resonates with me is, you know, we have. these people, these Bolsheviks out here, and, you know, they're raging against the establishment while simultaneously calling for anyone who doesn't get the vaccine to be thrown in camps. They're wearing masks everywhere they go. You know, it just seems like they hate the establishment, but science trumps all that. and it's a very weird thing to me when we went through COVID just watching what I even smart people I would say not just necessarily intelligence but intelligent but smart people just completely turn over their critical thinking to people in in white suits and you know step scopes and

all that stuff where, you know, their word is almost God, you know, science is settled, like, which is 180 from science. So what's your thoughts on that? I mean, they're very simple, but I think not incorrect way of looking at it is that science is something like our religion. And if you look at the history of this, I think it really bears that out. So people think about the scientific revolution, you know, like 16th to 17th, 18th centuries where like, oh, we're discovering all these new things and we're learning stuff or innovating or making all this new technology. Yeah, the scientific revolution. It's like when you, it's like, sure, but why didn't that happen before? It's not like the medievals weren't smart. It's not like Plato and Aristotle

weren't smart. You know, why did it happen at that time? And one of the answers is that it was ideologically motivated. So if you go back to the Reformation, the Reformation has just completely dismantled the shared religion of Europe. That's a crisis of culture because you need a shared worldview that everyone can believe in together in order to have a functioning society at all. And so I would say it's pretty defensible looking at the primary sources of the things that were written at the time.

that the Enlightenment and the scientific revolution are ideologically motivated attempts to build a new shared mythology for Europeans. And their mythology is secularism, science, reason, understood in a very specific way. Because, you know, again, the ancients, Egyptians built the pyramids, Aristotle was a genius polymath. We had smart people before. But they didn't think that they were going to use, like, geomel. and natural science to build a new worldview that could replace the old religion of Christianity, which is what's going on in the scientific revolution.

And so, all of our, and another way to notice this too is that so much of the scientific revolution guys, they're writing, when you read their writing, it's not just that they're trying to demonstrate their new things. They're trying to prove that Christianity is wrong. Like, that's a constant theme from this point in history forward. especially when Darwinism comes onto the scene. Like there's no reason that Darwinism needs to be opposed to Christianity exactly. Like speciation by natural selection is not a terribly original or innovative idea.

But it gets weaponized by a scientific community who's one of their explicit goals is to discredit Christendom. Because they need to do that in order to build a new shared myth, a new mythology for modern, Western man, which is the myth of progress and secularism and this very particular relationship to technology. So it's no wonder to me that a couple centuries later, you have the men in the white vestments who tell you science says. It's like, what does that mean? That's a really weird statement.

I thought science was make a hypothesis, do a test, observe the test, revise the hypothesis. That's a method. What does science say means? Well, it's because it's turned into our knowledge authority. And we have a class, a priestly class of people that disseminates that knowledge. And if you question it, which was supposed to be, as you pointed out, the whole basis of science was supposed to be skepticism. You question it, you're a pariah.

And so it's like, I don't really think it's an exaggeration to say that culturally, what we're dealing with is the religion of our society. what's confusing about it is that we have been trained to think that those things don't count as religions. But what I always tell people is, let's get away from this confusing word religion. Scholars actually have no consensus definition for that word, by the way. So that's another reason to stop using it in this case. What I say is worldview. Everything is a worldview.

Everyone has a worldview. Sovietism is a worldview. Christianity is a worldview. Catholicism of worldview. and scientism is a worldview. And so you have to have a worldview that the culture shares in order to have a culture. And ours is what you're talking about. And that's why you see socially these kind of behaviors happening where people get pariahed

because they're going against the official narrative. And that's because they're sort of rejecting our implicit, religious, kind of mythic worldview. I agree, dude. It's great. So if you go, hey, man, are you religious? No. Okay. Did you take the vaccine? Yes. What's in the vaccine? I don't know. Well, you have faith at that point. That's literally faith. You're just accepting. Faith is belief without evidence, right? Like, you know, I think that's about what the term is. Faith is belief. I would, can I poke that a little bit? Because I think that too is like a scientific, I think. But faith is trust. That's the older definition. Okay.

Like when you're faithful to your wife, it doesn't mean you believe your wife exists without evidence. It means you trust her and you stick with her even when your, when your emotions want to do something else. Faith is what keeps you aligned to reason, actually. You know, if you're tempted, your reason says, hey, don't do that. But your emotions want to do something else. and faith keeps you on track.

So faith and reason are friends. They work together. It's not, if you define it as a belief without evidence, then it's just kind of like dumb. So what you're saying is they trust the people who make the vaccine. There's trust there, so they don't need proof because there's trust.

I agree. I agree. And they have that trust in science without actually knowing what they're putting in their body. You have trust. that when you go to hospital. Like the whole theory is like, oh, I'm sick, I'm wounded, whatever. I just got to get to the hospital.

If I get to the hospital, I'm good. And then you get to the hospital and it doesn't go well. That's my grandma, dude. She wanted to get her colostomy back change. She never left. Ooh. She never left. And she didn't want to get a change.

And we won't get into that. But, you know, it's a sad day, dude. It was a sad day, very young, died very young. I started to hear that happens. Yeah, it happens. It's sad. Let's get into, man, there's a lot to talk about. I want to get into the cult of your belief on feminism. I think it's demonic.

I could be wrong, but what's your thoughts? Well, it's a little hard to skirt around that when all of these major feminist figures are doing things like publishing feminist journals titled Lucifer and like explicitly calling for goddess worship on the worship of ancient Hindu demons and all this kinds of stuff I mean goddess worship in the in the late 19th and early 20th century or in mid 20th century like became this whole outlet for feminism for feminism's attempt to overthrow what it saw as patriarchal religion and to recover a sort of more authentic feminine religion,

but that literally just meant in practice like worshiping these things that that ancient Christians would have called demonic, you know? And it's weird. So there's this book, there's a guy named Perfax Neld. He wrote a book called Satanic Feminism. And I think the subtitle is Lucifer as the Liberator of Women.

And he basically documents all of these things that happen. in the largely in the 20th century, but a little bit before, where feminism is constantly making references to Lucifer and the devil as kind of this ally of women. Like they reconceptualized Lucifer and Eve as heroes, you know, trying to save mankind from ignorance. And Eve was this heroine who listened correctly to Lucifer, who liberated her from ignorance.

And it's all these weird stuff. Crazy, dude. It's crazy. It's completely psyched. Like Elizabeth Cady Stanton was a suffragette. But she was also like into all of this weird occultic, theosophist stuff. And it just keeps happening.

And so part of the problem with feminism, the discussion about feminism is that everybody just assumes they know what that means and they don't read the primary sources. When you read the primary sources for the major feminist authors from the first wave through the 20th century, they are basically 90% all anti-human secularists who want to abolish biological differences between everyone or occultists or both. It's very strange, like just a cursory examination of this. I did a whole series on this. And I was just like, am I taking crazy pills? Like, it's just here.

They're just saying it in their writings. And nobody, people are like, feminism means you care about women. It's like, but all the major figures have connections to the occult. I don't, it's just there. That's super interesting. And it gets back to kind of what you were talking about, the West where, you know, everyone thinks it's this amazing, you know, financial system, cultural system. but in reality

everyone's making less money everyone seems high anxiety on psych meds upset about the world same thing with feminism feminism and this is Sam speaking not the doctor and it's going to call off very crassed

but it's almost like ugly chicks convincing pretty chicks and not to do pretty things and it sounds crazy and that's fucked that's crude I understand that but just misery loves company and that's what I

see is a big part of feminism, especially older feminists who know in their hearts they didn't do the right thing. And they just keep pushing like Chelsea Handler keeps pushing this belief that she's living her best life. It's so obvious. Wouldn't call her ugly though, would you? Uh, well, that gets into the misery part. Right. It's like it's more than it's, it's a little more than I, I mean, it's very funny what you said, but it is more than it. It's almost like people who are ugly on the inside. Okay. I won't word track my statement. It's still a joke. But no, I don't think you should. But no, I understand what you said. But you know what I mean, there's a lot of truth to what you said, but it's even more than that. Would you say a lot of the earlier feminists were smoke shows?

And would you say, I mean, Gloria Steinem seems to be. She seems to be the most attractive. Jane Fonda. I mean, you know, they're less hot. But those are the celebrities. Yeah, okay. We're probably losing the doctor at this point. But the whole thing is that the whole thing is that it just seems to be a cult of misery. Yeah. And that, you know, what it's basically saying is you have biological drives and those aren't necessary. And then that you, and it's almost, it sounds crazy, but it's almost so evil because they

know that a female's biological clock is only so long. So if they can get them to get close to that, that ticking, when the alarm goes off, it's almost like they got you caught. Yeah, because then denial kicks in. Because in my head, if you're a few of you want to be like in the system, why not have your kids really early bang them out by the time of the high school? That's a great term for it, by the way. You should run that.

You should run the publicity. I know. I know some girl that. Bang them out, ladies. I know some girl that went through, she got her doctorate, all that, and she's ready to go, go be a doctor. Her husband wants to have kids. My thing, I'm like, if you guys would have banged out the kids, like right at 18.

You're doubling down on it. No, right at 18, she would. her kids would have been in middle school, could have gone to doctorate, and now she can just go and pursue her career. That's hard to say. The doctor must think he's talking to Anderthals right now. But the point is... No, you're right.

Let me back you guys up with... So I did the feminism series, and then we followed up with a series called the Feminine to talk about, okay, well, what is the right way to be a woman? And I had all these women on my show to talk about this. And they all said the same thing, which was, look, you can have... whatever career you want, young ladies, after you have kids.

Get married early, have five or six kids, 10 years later, you're good. Now you can start your career and have a career into ripe old age. But if you try to have the career first, you're going to lose all your childbearing years. You're going to have zero to one kids after that, and you're kind of going to be miserable and pulled between two things. They're like, you can't have a high power career and be a mom at the same time. You'll just go insane. So get married young, have a bunch of kids.

then they help you with the house, then when they're reasonably, you know, self-reliant, then you can have a 30-year career. Go for it. And it gets kind of crazy to me what they've convinced young women are the important things. Like if you talk to a lot of guys, I mean, men love working. Working defines us our jobs. We like to go to work. You know, we're hunters and gatherers, dude. You know, we do that.

But it's like men die early for a reason. stressed out, they're working all the, you know, they get grind it into the ground. It's like Bill Hicks joke about, you know, how old ladies look versus old men. You're like, old ladies, like, hello, hi, how are you? And old guys are like, uh, you know, and it's like, it's like, there's a reason for that, man. This is what I, this is my fear is that you can't have both. As a woman, you just can't. Like, you know, it's because, but ageism is a thing. Like, if you're, Once you've had a kid and you kind of look like you've had a kid, you know what I mean? Like there are certain careers that you just can't have at that time.

Well, I mean like, let's say teacher, right? Like, you know, they don't like older teachers because they tend to ask for more salary. But if you're a brand new teacher, you're going to get a brand new teacher's salary. Yeah. Right? I mean, it depends. So it depends on how you want to do it. There is work out there for people to do.

They just have to find the right job that they're appropriate for. What I'm getting at those, I wonder if it's just not the case that that's not meant to be. Well, my biggest problem with, and I'm not pushing against you, Johnny, but it's like, the other way is to work for your retirement. And like, how many times do we hear people like? I think we agree. What I'm saying is I wonder if it's even true that women are, without exceptional circumstances, can have a career also. Maybe they're just meant to be my mom.

Oh, Johnny, you sexist pig. I know. But is it possible that that's the, that's just what we're designed? I'm not against what you're saying. We're just talking about how women have been brain, how they've been brainwashed. Because you hear like women talking about children now, it's horrifying. Like the way they talk about children now, everything we see on the internet is what bubbled up to the top. and that's all AI and that's all done for psychological reasons.

But the way women talk about kids is like 10 years ago, you would never have heard that. 15, 20 years ago, never heard that. The way men look at sex now, you would never have heard that. 10, 20, 15 years. Give an example of how you're seeing women talk about kids. So like I see multiple videos of girls doing podcasts talk about they don't want to have children because it will ruin their bodies.

I saw one woman talk about she doesn't want to have kids because she doesn't want to do homework. Like, what? Celebrating it, though. Like, celebrating, like, the single life as a virtue almost like it's in itself. The central prime of a woman is so powerful that they can't, no one can explain to them what is coming. And again, it gets into this thing where, like, you hear women in their 40s going, And when a woman comes 40, she's invisible. You're not invisible.

You just become like everybody else where you have to earn everything you got. That just lets you know how good you had it, okay? But there's this notion that young girls think it's going to last forever. And it's not that you're not attractive or beautiful. It's just youth for men and youth for women, you have athleticism, men have athleticism. Women have fertility. And it's intoxicating. and it's just the way we're built, it's not meant to last forever.

All traditional cultures had this idea that a woman has basically three stages in her life. You guys probably know is the maiden, the mother, and the matron. And that a woman's life is defined by having these transitions to each phase and doing what's proper at each phase. As a maiden, she's pretty, she gets everybody's attention, she gets married. And then I heard somebody say that the wedding is the, is the, funeral for the maiden. And then the maiden dies. And then the mother is born. And then the mother raises children. And that's great. And then and that's what we need for society to continue

existing if they don't do that. The world ends. So it's slightly important. And then after the kids are grown, then you have the matron phase. And what did matrons do in traditional cultures? They organized everything socially. They ran all the local church culture. They cooked all the traditional meals, kept everybody fed, they did the matchmaking. They basically, like, grandma is civilization, kind of. You know, if you had a good relationship with your grandma, you're like, oh, grandma's house, like, I'm going to go to grandma's. She's going to give me cookies that she made and she's going to, like, I'm going to be

taken care of, you know, like grandma's house. No matter how old I am, I'm going to be taking care of grandma's house because grandma's civilization. And it's like the problem, the problem is that we've told women that the maiden phase is just is and needs to last forever. That's the only phase that matters. That's the only phase that has value. And when we push off motherhood so late, we push off nature and hood so late.

So like matron you think old lady, but that just means like, I don't know, that could be like a 38, 45 year old woman who's still got 30 years of plenty of energy. I mean, old ladies run parishes. I don't know if you guys are in traditional church cultures,

but yes, the clergy are male, but like without the old ladies there is nothing fun of the churches the weddings the funerals the parties like everything is coordinated by women who have grown up kids everything i agree and it's fighting your the biological it's just fighting the phases of life it's when you chop all your hair off you know and you go for that that haircut that all those old ladies at church have and then they just take care of you it's the best thing and we've lost it but just think about like how demonize motherhood is. Like it's just to me insanity because unless you have a crazy mom and people do, most people

love their mother more than anybody outside their own children. And your mother is like pure love. And to look at that as some enslavement. And I want the love that you gave that you have for your mom as crazy as a female. A buddy of mine just told me he's having his first kid. I go, you don't even know the love that's coming. Yeah. You don't even know the love that's coming. You have no clue. it's and you can't explain it it's not a puppy it's not a dog and I love my dogs but it's not even close

I wonder how much pharma has interfered with that though because I have heard a couple of guys like you know I just help my child and I was just like oh it's a kid you know and I and I think maybe pharma is that's definitely possible but have you checked in with them again it's not people I know personally some people I've seen on the internet

stuff talking about it but it's I wonder if that's why this at least partly why the the incentive is or you know the biological incentive seems to have diminished you know people weren't rushing out to have kids anymore

yeah well if you don't grow up with kids it's alien to you you know if you had one if you were like you know had divorced parents and only one sibling or something and you you weren't around babies growing up and you get handed a baby it's like an alien you know what to do if you grow up in a traditional

you know that it's just what forms you but if you grew up in a traditional culture. I mean, at my church, we have a lot of kids in Orthodox Church like Catholicism, and I just look around church when I'm standing in church, and there's eight-year-old girls caring around one-year-old kids. Like, they just grow up with babies. It's not weird to them. These eight-year-olds are better at changing diapers than I am, and I'm a dad. So it's like, you know, that's just part of the culture. It's part of your assumption, but you grow up in a secularized society. You grew up in no family.

or some kind of a highly dysfunctional family. Like so many people I know who don't want to get married or they don't want to have kids, it's because they have bad relationships with their parents and they don't think that they're capable of being good parents. And they don't want to repeat the bad dynamic that they had with their mom and dad. And so like, I don't know. That was a mess for me growing up. I don't want to see that again.

I don't want to be part of it in any way, shape, or form. All right. I agree with that, dude. It's just nuts to me. I just want to end on this because I don't want to keep you all day. the right-left paradigm. What are your thoughts on that? Well, we just did, we just finished a whole series called The Left on the Right. And basically the way you might put it is that people, people really put a lot of stock into these distinctions. And there are distinctions, but, you know, they're two wings of the same bird, basically, which is this new form of civilization that started arguably with the Reformation and into the Enlightenment. And that's what the founding of America and the French Revolution are all about. They're actually, just like historically and technically, the founding of America and the French Revolution are the victories of the left-wing people of the time.

Because the right-wing originally was for the monarchy in the traditional Catholic Church. And the left-wing won revolution in secular society. So then the left wins. and then America and the New France are created as a result of this left-wing project. And so, modern-day conservative Americans, I just find it to be an awkward situation because their whole set of framework that they don't even think about the world, or they don't even think about the way they think about the world. Like, America begins with a leftist revolution.

So it's like it's just never clear to me at any point what's going on with conservatism. And the argument I always give is, it's like, why does the right always lose? Like, what do you mean? It's like, well, you know, we have the transgender conflict going on, and that's the left-wing position. The right-wingers are saying no. But like, roll it back 15 years in what was going on. The left-wing wanted gay marriage, and the right said no. Well, the right lost that.

And now a lot of conservative people are just kind of like, okay with it. They're like, well, whatever, you can't tell people what to do. what happened before that? No fault divorce. The liberal position was that people should just be able to get divorced if they wanted to. And the conservative position was no. You have to sue somebody for that. That's a whole thing. It should be taboo. And

the conservatives lost again. And now all conservatives think that they're like, well, no fault divorce. I mean, what are you going to do for us? People ought to be together and they shrug their shoulders. And what was before that? The liberal position was you should be able to marry whoever you feel like. And the conservative

position was, marriages need, rental, clerical, and community oversight. And the right loss, that one, too. And now if you suggest that people shouldn't be able to marry whoever they fall in love with, it's like a crazy thing to say. No conservative believes that,

really. You know, it's like, so you see what I mean. There's like this weird progression in our culture, just on this one issue. Why do they lose, do you think? Because they're liberals. Because at the bottom of this whole revolution that spawned

the left and the right is the idea that you are and should be a radically free autonomous individual. That's the conception of the human that all modern people have. And so when you start from that premise, there really aren't arguments for why you shouldn't be able to just do whatever you want to do as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. Like we don't know how to think in any other moral terms than that because we don't believe the good. And the right wing tries to put the brakes on this train. It's like, well, you should be able to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else up to this point. And the liberal's like, no, let's move it a little further. And then they just keep moving it because

the conservative has no defense to that because the conservative fuddebedee agrees with the liberal, that society should be secular, there shouldn't be moral accountability in the form of an institutional church, and the individual will is primary, and freedom is good in and of itself. And when you start with those, you're a liberal. I always hear when somebody goes, America was found on Christian values. I go, I think it was found on Freemason values. I mean, they're probably Luciferians, if you really dug deep enough. I mean, think about that.

It just gets into an interesting thing because as you're saying that, I'm like, I guess I think that too. I guess maybe so is it. It's a weird thing. You know, for me it comes down is who's getting, are you hurting people? And maybe I'm wrong on that. And that's what I mean. I'm open-minded what you're saying. And that's when conservatives stop, just trans but just no kids.

So as long as you don't hurt kids, that's what saying, they're kind of like, the rights kind of gun, like he's right. But don't you feel that there are. I'm not arguing with you because you're totally right. What I'm trying to go is, why does this happen? And I feel like there are points where people are like, because modern day, they're afraid of being called old fuddy-duddy or whatever, and it gets into,

okay, you can do what you want. You just can't do this. And it seems to be that there seems to be lines being drawn. And I think that like the trans and bathroom seems to be. a giant line and they keep pushing it and it seems to be like no dude and the kid stuff seem and i'm not arguing with you i'm just talking on what i'm seeing um that it seems that i've been i said this on the last episode too it's like people are okay with new ideas as long as it doesn't go to the bizarro where it just seems completely out of practicality you know and i could be wrong because

we're going to see that with the chip and all that stuff that they really want to these biometrics. How far will people go? Like with the AI data centers, that seems to be a line where people are like, nope, that's too far. That's too far. And you have all these local communities voting out, councilmen who've obviously been bribed to destroy their own community. I don't even know how those people are allowed to walk the streets. Yeah. Like, dude, one thing I think we should bring back is.

is like, you know, punishment for treason. Maybe I'm wrong. Well, you're getting at the accountability thing again. If it's considered treasonous to hold your public figures accountable, then you don't have the ability to hold them accountable. If it's considered theocracy and scary institutionalized religion, the Catholic Church is the boogeyman, to have a bishop excommunicated president,

or for the bishops to have their own armies. That's like we find all of that inconceivable. That's like crazy talk. But at a basic level, you're just talking about moral accountability. Like, how do you have moral accountability in this kind of culture? Do you think it was, again, done purposely to detach people from God to insert, we see this in politics, we see this in Hollywood, where they insert corrupted people to correct. corrupt the system. And then, you know, the way a big part of people leaving the church are all these pedophile scandals. Do you think that they were purposely put there to cause chaos?

I don't know the answer to these questions. I'm not privy to the councils of the ruling class, but it wouldn't be at all unbelievable that that would be the case. It's, it wouldn't be, it And also, there's two other things to notice. One is that you don't have to cause the problem to benefit from it. So my friend always says, some people will never let a good crisis go to waste. So the fact that we publicize and fan the flames and push the news cycle about which stories is kind of the same thing as what you're saying. Like it doesn't have to be intentional. But we have a narrative and we have a media machine that wants to play into these narratives to cause

these kind of problems. So to what extent any of it is intentional or not is maybe not even important, it is happening. But then the second thing to notice, and again, I always feel subconscious saying stuff like this, but it's just kind of a fact that all of the major economic, technological, political, and social movement figures in American history have some kind of connection to the occult. Jack Parsons was part of NASA and JPL. he was a student of Alistair Crowley

so many of these early suffragists were associated with Crowley and Thelama all of the all of the liberal movements of associated with suffragism

and all this kind of civil rights stuff as she starts in upstate New York and all of the first women's conference for women's rights is upstate New York Upstate Union is like the most occultic

history in the United States. We've had people come on talking about that. Like it's crazy. So it's like, okay, you know, you can say like, ah, it's conspiracy theory. But here's the thing. You have to have some alternative explanation for why is it that all of these suffragettes, all of the people who are pushing all of these liberal social positions, all of the people who are inventing new technology and pushing technological progress.

Like, why is it that all of them are one step away from a cultic people or are them self practitioners of the occult of the Lama, of Wicca, of theosophism. Like they were spiritualists, they were mediums. Michael Horowitz wrote a book called Occult America in which he basically says that all of the, he said, you could not find at that point in history someone who was at a seance table and wasn't involved in suffragism and vice. versa. They were just the same thing at that period in history. So it's like, that needs to explain somehow. It's a great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great point.

And it's just like, you know, I don't know, man. I've been, I've been seeing what you've been talking about. I just haven't been able to put into the proper words. This is just, these pagan gods want to come out. I've been saying it forever. The old gods want to come out and play. And they're tired of sitting in the background and not getting worshipped and they want to be worshipped. And these elites have sold their souls to these fucking powerful entities to bring them back. And I've always said, you know, and I was saying this just a week or so ago, but like Christianity did come and put an end to a lot of these pagan practices, particularly in terms of sacrifice and sacrifice of children. And that pisses them off. That pisses that.

We still sacrificed children. Yeah, we are. But you're correct. I mean, 70 million abortions last year. I mean, absolutely insanity, dude. Absolute insanity. Well, you get abortion in terms of incest and rape? I'm not you're saying there were 7 million, 70 million incess and rape fucking abortions.

Is that what you're saying? You know it's not true. You know it's not true. And for women to be so propagandized to where their statutes. on their shirt on how many abortions they've had. I mean, it's just a disconnect. Is that a thing that happens? Yeah, you see them at these protests.

I've had this many, like, unbelievable. It's things like it. And it just, we allow angry, mentally ill people to yell the loudest. It's like comedy, dude. Most of the time at a con, they leave like comment cards. Most of the time at a comment, most people that like to show won't even leave a message. They'll go up to you and go, oh, I love to show. it's just the angry people that like oh he said things that i don't agree with and then they'll

write it in it's just the way it is so the most mentally or the loudest barkers in our society and it's just fucking crazy dude it's just crazy well doctor it was great to have you on dr zachary would you like to uh one more time tell them where they can find you i'm gonna subscribe your sub stack i can't wait to see what you talk about i'm very excited it's basically uh more of a all of this in much more detail. And I read the primary sources. Somebody, one of my viewers called it a grown-up reading rainbow. It's like, don't take my word for it. Like, here's the person saying that right here, like, you explain it to me. I'm excited. Zachary Porcu, Zachropocu.com. It's a ton of content on there.

Dr. Excellent episode. One of the all-time bangers. Thank you for coming on. Open door anytime you want to come on. You got finally write that book. Come back on promote it. Anything you want to promote. Open Door. We hope to have you back soon. Thanks for coming on. Let's break down the episode. What do you guys think? Dr. Zachary Porku. What did you guys think? I loved it. From teacher to podcast, you can tell he was a teacher before. Like, you could tell. I love that. That was like a great, great conversation. I would have enjoyed college more if I had a professor like that, I think. You know? What do you guys think about universities disappearing? Good things, bad thing. Johnny.

Good Britain's, I say. I do too, dude. I mean, like, if there's no jobs there, why are you going to that? get a practical job. I mean, now you hear women are becoming electricians and plumbers, if you want that. Wait, really? Is that a trend that's happening? Electricians are right. Plumbers, though, you really want to? I wouldn't want my daughter or my cousins.

I love that butt crack, though. Every time you watch in the kitchen, it's a porno scene. It's her now. It's her now. Bap, bam, bam, bam, pa. No, dude, 100%. I think, I think you should. get into, I mean, the question

becomes is there even going to be auto mechanics before? Next, down the line. It's all going to be AI, like automated robots. Even plumbers. There's no way a robot's going to want to be shit. Electricians. An optimist robot shows up at your door, you know, for cheaper

than you could pay a human plumber. See, that's, see, that's where it wins. See, what do you guys think of China going, you can't get rid of jobs for AI? You can't replace humans. it's a good way to become i mean i don't know if if market efficiencies could punish that if it turns out a i is more efficient but it's not right now right exactly but if it does become then i i i can't

imagine it just it just seems like some of the wheels are falling off on this ai shit i hope so i think you can prolong it but it's it's coming it seems inevitable yeah you can literally tell companies like hey we don't want you to hire a i think about how we're nitpicking it right now and saying But that's a great look for you, by the way, saying. Thank you. Think about how we're nitpicking it right now versus what it was. Remember that people kind of pass it around every couple of months. That first AI generated video, or one of the early ones of, like, Will Smith eating spaghetti.

Oh, yeah. And how it just looked like gobbledy good. Yeah, dude, it was so bad. And it's just a couple years later, bro. And you couldn't tell it's not Will Smith. Yeah. Now, what's two years from now? Three years?

I mean, forget about it. And like when Sam says, when Sam says that QAnon was the first AI, imagine if they tried that with this AI. The power it has, like, if it convinced and it duped other people back in like five, six years ago, imagine what the real I could do to someone right now and dupe them and make them think that

Hillary Clinton is going to get locked up next hour. Especially with voice cloning now, you know, it's like, I mean, it's I remember a little tangent, but when I was a boy, they would have these online audio chat rooms, and it was just

mind-blowing to speak with someone on the other side of the earth just about like sports or whatever. Yeah. And you would do it. You know, my family would be there. But what I would do after the fact, like, I would go back on later and I would just play audio of like the president from an earlier time announcing the launching of like a nuclear strike or something just to fuck with people.

And now, I mean, and it would like people would be like, what the fuck is happening? Because I was just a troll. I was a troll. I was a troll. Yeah. I was a troll as a kid. Yeah. and so imagine now when

I mean we got clean as sneakers are there's got to be they are very clean I wish we could get that on camera can you hold your leg up that high actually oh there we yeah yeah imagine now when we've got to have some solution for there's got to be some kind of embedded code

or a watermarker something just think about where AI pornography is going to be in five years it's already there dude I think I mean I think we're watching porn without knowing that you're watching some AI porn. You haven't seen the ads like on the porn like the porn ads? Yeah, but they still don't look real though. It's getting there. Well, no, but the stills are. Maybe because

it's a 14 foot dick. The thing they're doing is fake celebrity nudes now like saying oh look who's nudes leaked and then you're like this is AI obviously. It's not obvious but you didn't, it didn't make the news Is there any way to regulate that Johnny? That's what I'm wondering. No, it's good. It would take

and when have they ever done this well technology companies limiting themselves? and I just don't see that happening. Also, it's the latest InVIDIA hardware and especially some other companies working on it have, they're making it so you can do all this stuff locally on your own computer so you don't require. And then there's, it's all bets are off, you know, once 15, like little anarchists like me or. So my question is, if you can put it right on your computer, what do you need chat bot or chat GPT for?

No, well, it's incredibly resource intensive to do what some of those AI things, but you can do the local stuff. Oh, yeah, I was doing, again, I was doing, anyways, I want to get back to what he's talking about. Yeah, you know, real quick, let me just go. It was interesting to hear him talk about Christianity, and it's something I felt for a while, like why it's the real one. because it came in and changed all their pagan rituals. And they're really, like, in particular, stopping child sacrifice, an animal sacrifice. Like, that is a big thing.

And that's why they, like, what other form of religion, Johnny has, I mean, Judaism has a bunch of different versions, but does Hinduism, do any Buddhism? I mean, you got, like 70,000. Oh, no, not that many, no. but I mean that's it it just seems like it's the real one dude

maybe I'm wrong I don't know but it seems to me like the real one crisis it's Christ or get out I mean I feel that way obviously right I mean that's my opinion I think you can get there a couple different ways but it being the thing I agree

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the data centers that supposedly we weren't supposed to let china get better at AI but yeah we're selling them chips now yeah it's all bullshit yeah it's all bullshit it's like how they're all work together it's all the new world order they want the world to be China and everyone play nice or else they burn everything, they destroy your life. They're just pagan scumbags. Just pagan scumbags. And he's totally right, dude, to techno-pagan religion and government. It's like unbelievable.

Technopaganism and satanic feminism. And you just can't get women to not understand that. Like you have a biological drive and you're fighting it because your pussy's popping right now and you'll have the world by the balls. Yeah, nobody, that's why there's such an emotional response to that because nobody wants to hear that in that position, you know what I mean? Of course. Yeah.

And I did it when I was a kid. When my friend's husband told me, dude, it's not going to last forever, dude. This is going to be a party the whole time. I'm like, whatever, dude. I'm going to rock forever. Now, I did. I was LeBron James of party and I, my college years went for about 20 years. after that. Your hair line, your hairline was back back back. No, dude, I'm good. No, dude, I was,

I was in my party prime for a long time. Okay. But now it's done. I just look at all my friends who were serious about shit how far they went. I've done very well. I'm okay with that. And you know, the internet talks a lot of shit about me. When you have opinions and people don't agree with them, they just get mad at you. It's just, it's what Tony Inchcliffe's going through right now. They just don't agree with his opinions. So they think he's. He's the antichrist. And he's like not. He's a jester in a world of clowns.

That's what's happening. When you have opinions that aren't the status quo of the culture, people get fucking mad at you. Yep. And it's just the way it is. And it's like you can no longer have disagreements with stuff. It's just very weird. And like, I wish the autistic people like me, I have an autistic kid. I'm one of your tribe.

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blackface dick. I have this big comic going, you don't use any joke to you. I go, yeah. He goes, oh, I've been saying it now. Like, oh, okay. I mean, what am I going to do, dude? It's because it's so good, like, you didn't even think that you created it. I'm sure that's what he thought.

He's like, almost, Sam must have took this from someone because it's fucking good, black-faced dick. Yeah, I mean, I do good jokes. I agree with you. I know what you are. People don't personally like me. That's the problem. I just have dark energy, and they...

And he kept saying it after you said I created it? Yeah. A piece of shit. I don't give a shit. It is what it is. Enjoy these highlights. Here's a clip. from the latest broken sim on the in the subject or the title of the last episode was are they

about the screw spencer pratt and they absolutely we got the answer yeah we we got the answer it uh they it was clear they didn't want karen bass to have to campaign to the right for you know that's my favorite part of it they're like oh karen bass actually wanted spencer pratt like dude she does not want to go against roe No. In fact, when it became clear that she wasn't when the moment the polling, and this was reported at the time, you can go back and look, the moment the polling showed that she wasn't going to get 50% and that Spencer Pratt was going to be with her going to November, Nithia Rahman, who had just endorsed Karen Bass a week before decided to run because they knew they could just zip it up, you know, give it to her. And that's exactly. It's like the Democrats. Oh, the Democrats would rather have one. candidate than both candidates. That's what people were trying to convince me. Oh, they'd rather have one candidate. Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah. No, it makes no sense. It's absolutely stupid. Well, and then the people, I mean, if you don't know, we won't

re-litigate all the numbers, but all the late mail-in stuff was heavily for Ramen, who was in third place. And now people are saying, like, well, the late vote is always skews Democrat. But they're both Democrats. Yeah, but why wouldn't they? Why wouldn't they vote for Karen Bass. It doesn't make any sense. Her own district didn't even vote for her. The people who know her best didn't even

vote for her. And then the people who will tell you and there are thousands of them online that there's not possibly any kind of shenanigans going on are in denial because James O'Keefe just got someone arrested

three weeks ago, now a month ago, for election. for paying homeless people downtown for to to pretend to be other people and then sign the sign the ballot. So here is, here's someone on Skid Row talking about being paid to vote right here. And this is, I think this is from O'Keefe. Do you know, Skid Row? Don't mute yourself, Johnny. You come down here and try and pay you to vote?

Yes. On a ballot? Yes. How much they pay you? $5.00. They said here. I don't think this is O'Keefe. I think this is some guy that just went down there, but yeah, this is, it's all damning. Come and vote for these candidates? Yes, sir. They told you who to vote for? Yes. So, uh, they told you vote for Karen Bass or Nihir Rahman? Karen Bass.

Do you vote for Karen Bass? Yeah. For $5? Yeah. Did you vote? Yeah. They told you vote for Karen? Yeah. They had the sign of those things. And how much they pay you? Two bucks. Two bucks? Two bucks! You know, other things? Vote for her?

Yeah. They'd say, oh, do you want to vote for Karen or Nithia? Or they just really just tell you to vote for Karen, huh? They gave you an option to vote for, but they tell you who they want to. Or they tell you who you want to vote for? So I go, we'll give you $2 and, but you got to vote for one of these people. Well, you know, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a barter, man, so I got to vote out. Yeah, you didn't get much as the chick.

five. Everybody out here? Yeah, they come out here all right. How often do they come down here? Probably like times a week. The time to week? You get the ballots? Yeah.

Wow. You know other people who voted too? Everybody's registered. Doggy dog. Johnny. Someone say you can't even get a 40 for two bucks, dude. How much is old English now with this straight of her moves?

How much is malt liquor gone up? John, will you look that up? How much is malt liquor now? I mean, it's hurting the streets. How much is Al-Azei right now? Let me see. What's Mad Dog 2020 go for now? Let me see.

About 40. Let me see. A 750 milliliter bottle of MD 2020 can be as much as $9 now. It says at cost plus liquors, it's $699 for us, or to 1399 for a 7.15 million. You got the vote three times just to get 140. And yeah, dude.

And that was the, so that was the shit that happened after. But this is the woman I was just talking about who was just arrested for paying people to pretend to be other people, possibly like dead people or something. I don't know. And to sign ballots. And this is the woman that was caught on a hidden camera, which I'll show in a minute by James O'Keefe. This was KTLA reporting. Prosecutors also arrested a Marina del Rey woman, 64-year-old Brenda Lee Brown Armstrong, who admitted to paying homeless people on L.A. Skid Row to register her vote and sign political petitions.

Court documents indicate Armstrong paid people $2 to $3. If convicted, Armstrong could get up the five years in prison. Unbelievable, dude. Is it surprising that the people who stole the fire aid money would do this? Is it shocking that the people who have allegedly stolen $300 billion? So this guy, if you go to my Instagram, Johnny, you'll see the video. Okay. You know, I got sent this video by a friend.

And it's a video of this guy breaking down how Los Angeles voted for, or Los Angeles of California, but I think it's Los Angeles, voted for a 10% of, increase in taxes, right? In sales tax. Which one is it? Uh, go down, go down, go down, go, uh, that won't mail. It's above George Bush. No, above it. Right there, yeah. Literally just voted to increase their own taxes. And I don't mean they did that by voting for Karen Bass. No, I mean, there was an actual ballot question saying, hey, do you guys want to pay more in taxes? And the people of LA apparently said yes. Now, you may be asking yourself, who the fuck would vote to raise their own taxes?

Well, here's how that vote actually went down. So the people that came and voted in person, yeah, almost unanimously voted against that ballot measure. They were like, oh, don't wait, you want to raise our taxes? Fuck that. But then you had to mail-in ballots. And in the early mail-in ballots, they also voted against it. But the ballots that came in after election day,

you know, the ones that were like 65% Nithia Rahman, Yeah, they overwhelmingly voted in favor of raising their own taxes. By the way, they raised it from 9.7. They raised their sales tax from 9.75 to 10.25. They voted in favor of a more than 10% sales tax. But yeah, I mean, look, here's the thing. You can argue that it's strange that so many late ballots, you know, 65% were in favor of Nithia Rahman. I think it's even crazier than more to 80% of those ballots.

We're in favor of raising their own taxes. Unbelievable. Now, Johnny, start that again. I want you to start again. I want you to see something at the very beginning. Yes. Okay. But you need to show us.

Okay, ready, get ready. Increase their own taxes. And I don't mean they did that by voting for Karen Bass. No, I mean, there was an actual ballot question saying, hey. Look at his wrist. Funny. He's got a cobble out. Oh, bracelet on.

What's that? Why do we keep doing that? Not good. Not good. Yeah. What is that? By the way, I think before we podcast from now, we should have to just do one of these, like, just to show our wrists. Guys.

Like, you know when, you know when new dealers come in? Hello, everybody. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Good luck, everyone. If you'd like to hear the rest of this episode, subscribe to Broken Simulation in your podcasting app, or check us out at YouTube.com. Sam Tripoli.