Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #1014: A Deal With The Devil With Richard Syrett

Starting point is 00:00:00 Let's call them the elites. They've understood this for a very long time. If you listen to a three-hour speech, your eyes are going to glaze over and you're not going to really be impacted. But a three-minute pop song, I begin the first chapter in the book by a quote from a Scottish politician philosopher named Andrew Fletcher. And he said, let me write the songs of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws. What do you fuck are you guys who are talking about? Global controls will have to be imposed. And a world governing body will be created to enforce them. Welcome to tinfoil half.

Starting point is 00:00:37 We go deep, home, boy. Eric, open your mind. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. This is only the beginning. There, you just blew my mind. Are you ready to get your mind blow?

Starting point is 00:01:06 I cast it. I welcome to Tipole Hat live from the Wise Wolf, Gold and Silver Studios. We're back in studios. If you go to Sam Triple E. Dot Gold, you use promo code Timfo. You can get in on the Press Meals game for as little as $50 a month. Good to be back in studio with the boys. A lot of great shit going on. Real quick, I want to tell you, my special, my new special,

Starting point is 00:01:32 my 30-minute special on Gash Digital drops September 1st and then September 1st. September 12th is my, is word war debate. And finally, we'll get into a little later, too. I have a crowd work special. My six one, that's about to drop. That will drop next week. And that one's called Women Camp Peg. Oh, so, that's great. Very excited to have. I probably shouldn't have talked about that with our guest on here. He's, he's, he's a professional. He's a professional man with probably one of the best, the best hair I've ever seen in the business. number one hair guy. If we had a mouth crush more hair, this guy would for sure be on it.

Starting point is 00:02:11 He's got a new book out called Rock and Roll Twilight Zone or Tales from Rock and Roll Twilight Zone. Very excited to have him back. It's always a pleasure to talk to one of the OGs. Richard Serrett, how are you, buddy? Hey, Sam, I thank you. My hair thanks you. Buddy, how are you, man? What is going on from our friends from the north?

Starting point is 00:02:31 It just seems like chaos up there. Yeah, that pretty well sums it up. Just, you know what, I'm trying to stay, keep my head down or stay above the fray for what it is. You know, all the politics up here, it is, yeah, crazy times. I got to be actually thankful for this project because I've sort of, it's distracted me from politics. And if you get mired in that, it just, it can become demoralizing, particularly up here when, you know, I don't know, the conservatives just can't seem to get their crap together. and doesn't matter how miserable the liberals are.

Starting point is 00:03:07 They just seem to get reelected time and time and time again. But that's... Do you have any faith in that the elections are at all real? You know, again, that's one of those rabbit holes that if I start going down that, again, it would be demoralizing. I think for the most part, I mean, there are shenanigans, and, you know, they have some mail-in balloting issues. in Quebec, they had some problems

Starting point is 00:03:35 the last federal election where the return address in mainly opposition party, writings where the opposition party was expected to win, they put the wrong return address for Elections Canada on the mail and ballots.

Starting point is 00:03:51 And then the liberals ended up winning by like one vote. Oh my God. But they caught it. They caught it and I think they, I can't remember if the judge ordered a redo or not. But yeah, it happens from time to time for the most part that's not the problem here though the problem is we've just got you know information voters and they just vote liberal liberal liberal because my grandfather and

Starting point is 00:04:15 my great-grandfather voted liberal it's very crazy we just had huge uh pre preliminary voting and florida is absolutely insanity right now dude so they redistrict florida and they took away debby Wasserman's district. And somehow, if you watch this, it's crazy to see. She won a district that's 100% black, and she beat five black candidates.

Starting point is 00:04:44 It's impossible. It's impossible. You're either voting for a neocon Zionist or a progressive Bolshevik. That's what they've done in this country. Anyways, Richard, for those who may not be familiar with your last couple of

Starting point is 00:05:00 appearances on Tim Fulha, Can you tell us a little bit about yourself where they can find you and a little bit about your book? Because I know we're going to get into it. All right. Tales from the Rock and Roll Twilight Zone is based on a podcast I produced back in 2018. It was produced in a documentary style. I did about 40 episodes. And from those 40, I selected 16 stories, which ended up as 16 chapters in the book, exploring rock and roll, mysteries, legends, curses, unexplained deaths or mysterious deaths.

Starting point is 00:05:34 There's an entire section on the Beatles called the Beatles Enigma. Chapter 1 is questions whether the Beatles or Beatlemania and the British invasion was an engineered sciop. I talk about the Paulist Dead Legend. There's a whole section three about the deaths of Brian Jones, Jimmy Hendricks, Elvis, and Kurt Cobain. We sort of reopened those cases. Chapter 4's, sorry, Section 4 is after-death communications and premonitions. The final chapter is kind of personal.

Starting point is 00:06:11 It involves the final phone call I had with my late partner friend collaborator, R. Gary Patterson, who passed away just before we were to launch a terrestrial radio program, which later became the podcast, the Rock and Roll Twilight Zone. and so I dedicated the book to Argarie, but it's, it conflicks me to this day. I basically, to cut to the quick, I discovered that the phone call I received from R. Gary Patterson, late on the evening of May 16th, 2017, occurred several hours after his death. What? Yes.

Starting point is 00:06:53 And I can go into more detail there if you'd like, but, you know what? Yeah, let's get into that. We'll definitely get into that. Like, when you brought up the Beatles, you're in dangerous territory. We have one of the biggest beetle fans on planet Earth. Okay. Johnny. Well, why is that bad?

Starting point is 00:07:07 No, I mean, I love the Beatles. Yeah, you're right. I do. But I'm not. I mean, I'm open-minded. Well, I'm a, I understand it's a sacred cow. I'm a Beatles nut as well. I don't think they were winning participants in this.

Starting point is 00:07:21 You know, but the machine got behind them. And I agree. They amplified them. They basically used them as a weapon against American youth. They were trying to subvert American youth, and they used the Beatles. Well, I mean, there's another thing we can get into, depending on how deep you want to go. Let's start with this. I have said I've been on a bunch of podcasts lately.

Starting point is 00:07:52 I've been telling anyone that will listen. I think there's three given. three things that I go, if you ask me what I believe, I go, there's three things I want 100% believe in. I'd stake my life on it. And these are the three things. One, okay, that people conspire. Like, you know, that is the most basic of all the conspiracies. Are people conspiring together?

Starting point is 00:08:21 That's 100%. People conspire on the smallest level. people conspire on the biggest levels to control power money energy they conspire the second one and this kind of fits into what you're talking about is that all culture is manufactured that it's all controlled it's all it's all presentation it's a giant magic trick to elicit again uh to control energy and the way you see the world and at some point to get you like my whole thing is like Our entire reality is a false reality projected on God's reality. This is my belief that all your cultural icons, so many of them are controlled.

Starting point is 00:09:07 Is that mean every one of them? Probably not. You know, I would tell you the people I know, and I'm going to lose everybody here because they know who I'm talking about. But the people I know on a personal level, I've watched them blow up and how they blew up. But I'm open-minded to anything. And then the last one is that the world is ran by sorcerers, that like literal sorcery magicians who are manipulating energy to, for a, worshiping a dark, dark entities or entity to basically control us. So I feel like what you're here to talk about today fits into that very well.

Starting point is 00:09:46 And it is a plug-in-play situation. So I would like to start with the Beatles because the Beatles were kind of a phenomenon that hits. They always say they're the most influential band of all time. There's been discussions on whether that's true or not. There's been analysis of whether that's true or not. But we're going to run that assumption. Where do you want to start with the Beatles? Because I love this topic.

Starting point is 00:10:13 Well, we can start with, we can go all the way back to 1781 if you want to. and the United States, or the Revolutionary War, and Cornwallis, the British General Cornwallis, surrenders at Bloody Yorktown, and they lose the colony, they lose the American colony. And so if you can look at history from that point on, 1781 to the present, as the British crown, let's use that short term,

Starting point is 00:10:44 and that includes, you know, the elites, MI6, the city of London proper and the bank of England, the Tavistock Institute, which came along really after the Second World War, they've been trying to win the hearts and minds of America, influence American culture, for lack of a better term, take the colony back.

Starting point is 00:11:09 And so instead of using muskets and red coats, they discovered that something there's even a more powerful weapon, and that's culture. And so they traded muskets for microphones and red coats for Rick and Bacher guitars, and they weaponized the Beatles and probably other bands

Starting point is 00:11:27 that were part of this so-called British invasion, which, you know, that's what they called it in 64 when the stones were performing on the Ed Sullivan show and then later came the kinks and the Rolling Stones and the zombies and so forth. I contend it wasn't a metaphorical British invasion. It was a literal British invasion. And so if you look at the timing,

Starting point is 00:11:46 the British, or sorry, the Beatles arrive on the Ed Sullivan Theater two and a half months after the assassination of John F. Kennedy. The American youth were absolutely traumatized by that. He was their president. And trauma is an important ingredient in what we now call M.K. Ultra. First, you traumatized the victim. So this was mass, mass trauma. The same way as 9-11 was mass trauma. And Charlie Kirk assassination. I would agree with that as well. Yeah, it's fascinating how these things, you know, play out, you know, in public view most of the time and televised. Although Kennedy, we didn't see the film until years later, but, you know, anyone in Dealey Plaza saw it. And so with the Beatles and the timing, I think, is crucial. Now, we go back to the Second World War and the Tavistock Institute. It was first created, actually, in the First World War. they were treating shell-shocked soldiers returning from the trenches, trying to heal their fractured psyches.

Starting point is 00:12:53 I mean, talk about trauma. But after the Second World War, they kind of shifted their focus, and it became more like Sigmund Freud meets the Ministry of Defense, and they were more concerned with mass psychology, behavioral modification, brainwashing, propaganda, these sorts of things. and they also understood, and we've, you know, let's call them the elites, they've understood this for a very long time, that if you want to influence or subvert or manipulate or infiltrate society,

Starting point is 00:13:30 or let's say the youth, the youth, you do it through culture. It's far more powerful than politics. I mean, if you listen to a three-hour speech, your eyes are going to glaze over, and you're not going to really be impacted. But a three-minute pop song, which can it can bypass the analytical mind, goes right into the subconscious,

Starting point is 00:13:53 affects your nervous system, you can affect your blood pressure, your heart rate, your emotional state, of course. They understood that certain chords, musical chords, could create different emotions, melancholy, aggression, you know, it can increase one's sexual appetite. In fact, there's a quote,

Starting point is 00:14:17 I begin the first chapter in the book by a quote from a Scottish politician philosopher named Andrew Fletcher and he said, let me write the songs of a nation. Let me write the songs of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws. So they've understood this. Even in the United States during the Cold War, the U.S. State Department sent,

Starting point is 00:14:38 musicians like Louis Armstrong and Dizzy Gillespie and others, David Bruback, they sent them into these foreign countries. They were trying to combat Soviet communism, and they understood that musicians and culture was the more effective way of battling communism. I mean, you can send pamphlets, and people will recognize them immediately as propaganda. But if you get to a culture or to a society through culture, particularly music, you can have far more influence. And so that's what the British were doing with the Beatles. And again, the timing. So you had a youth culture that were absolutely traumatized. And then in comes the Beatles with this incredibly infectious enthusiasm and these catchy riffs.

Starting point is 00:15:28 And the repetitiveness of the music is important too. That harkens back to M.K. Ultra, something called psychic driving. Where you put a message, it could be a spoken word or a passage from a book or whatever you put on it. And it plays like an endless loop. And you subject that to the person over and over and over again. It's psychological torture. And Dr. Ewan Cameron up in Montreal, he was a CIA-funded doctor at Allen Memorial Institute in McGill University. and they were taking women who were suffering from postpartum depression,

Starting point is 00:16:07 and they didn't realize that they were being taken into the CIA-funded program at the hospital. They were subjected to electroshock therapy and LSD. Their memories were basically wiped clean, and then they were subjected to this psychic driving, this repetitiveness. Now, this is not fantasy or conspiracy theory. This has all been proven in civil court. There were punitive damages. there were financial settlements and so forth.

Starting point is 00:16:36 It's in the court records. This happened in the late 1950s and early 1960s. And the Canadian government was complicit in it as well. So this was the CIA's MK Ultra program or an offshoot of it. And the Tavistock Institute, there is a lot of overlap with some of these people involved in MK. Ultra and the Tavistock Institute. That was kind of the genesis of it, right? And then it spread everywhere.

Starting point is 00:16:59 And they took what they learned in Tavostock and brought. to the states and Canada. Yes, and not only in, they used it in advertising. So I'll give you another example, the Musak, M-U-Z-A-K, we used to call it elevator music. You don't hear it so much anymore. They don't need it anymore. But during the Second World War, in American factories, they had to increase production, wartime production.

Starting point is 00:17:25 And so they introduced this Musak system because they understood how music can affect production. It can affect, again, nervous system, your heart rate, your motivation. And they had what were called audio programmers. And the music was designed. They piped it into the factories and it worked. They got workers to produce more ammunition or tanks or whatever they were building. And then of course they learned, hey, we can also use that in grocery stores, in department stores, and influence people's buying and shopping habits, impulse buying and so forth. So back in the 40s, they understood how music or musac as they called it could shape behavior the tavistock Institute did it as well now

Starting point is 00:18:10 I'm not saying in the book that MI6 handed John Lennon into guitar and send them to America and said here take back our colony but we I mean we've understood for a long time that that these institutions or intelligence organizations they get behind a movement maybe they don't create it initially maybe it does arise organically But then they infiltrate and then they subvert it and they co-opted it. And that's what happened, I believe, with the British invasion. In fact, I believe it was Time Magazine. Just a few days, a few nights after the Beatles' first performance on the Ed Sullivan Theater,

Starting point is 00:18:47 73 million people watching February 9th, 1964. Damn. That was one in three Americans. One in three Americans were watching that broadcast. But Time Magazine later came out with a headline. In 1776, the British lost the American colony. Last night on the Ed Sullivan show, they took it back. Now, they were trying to be, you know, cute and metaphorical,

Starting point is 00:19:12 but they were speaking the truth. I'd love to know who you suspect the agent was. Was it Brian Epstein? Was it George Martin? Who would... By agent, do you mean handler? Yeah, yeah, handler, sure. Yeah, who was the turncoat?

Starting point is 00:19:28 Yeah, well, again, there's no, you know, Again, there's no smoking gun document here that says. But could it have been George Martin? Could it have been Brian Epstein? I don't know. People point to a guy by the name of Theodore Adorno. Theodore Adorno was an academic. He was a cultural Marxist.

Starting point is 00:19:49 He belonged to the Frankfurt School. Many of them infiltrated the United States and various government agencies. They were the ones that really, coined the term critical theory, which evolved into DEI and critical race theory and critical everything theory. Because these cultural Marxists wanted to, they wanted to destroy the family unit, in fact. They thought it was, you know, an expression of fascism. Black Lives Matter later, you know, adopted that philosophy. It used to be on the website. They saw the nuclear family as their

Starting point is 00:20:23 biggest threat. So too did these Marxists. Now, was it Theodore Adorno? He was also a musician. You can find some of his music on YouTube. It's absolutely horrendous. They call it avant-garde, right? It's avant-garde, but it's atonal, it's discordant. And he hated pop music. He hated the repetitiveness, but he also said that pop music was being used to control the masses. So, is it possible that even though, and he didn't like the Beatles,

Starting point is 00:20:57 publicly, he said he hated the and he hated, again, popular music. Is it possible, however, that people at the Tavistock or the Crown recognized his understanding of pop music and had him help maybe craft some of the Beatles songs? That may be a bit of a stretch. Again, my main point here is we know for a fact that intelligence organizations and the elites have been

Starting point is 00:21:28 have tried and successfully, I think, subverted and co-opted the culture, as you stated in your opening remarks, Sam. And I think the Beatles, in that regard, were useful fools. They were incredibly talented musicians, were incredibly talented musicians. But, you know, I see also incredibly talented musicians

Starting point is 00:21:53 in the subway, you know, busking or on the sidewalk. Everywhere. Yeah. Why are they not? Idol taught us is that singing and music is not. Have you ever seen ARIA at home on YouTube? The guy walks around with a full studio. Amazing. Just a random guy grabs the mic and it's the most amazing thing you've ever seen. He's tapped into something. And that shows you what one person with talent

Starting point is 00:22:14 can do with, you know, just an array of random strangers. You know what I mean? Like, it only takes one person to. But you're totally right about American Idol. That like there's so, I remember when I first moved to LA, they would run an open mic for musicians, followed by an open mic for comedy so I get there early and I would just hear the most amazing artist and you never heard from them. Nothing. Yeah. Why are they not filling soccer stadiums?

Starting point is 00:22:37 Why don't they have a multi-million dollar recording contract because the machine didn't get behind them? And the machine picks certain groups and artists and then they control them. Now, the artist may not be aware of this and they're trying to be authentic and genuine and that exists, certainly. When do you think they got infiltrated, if you would say? When? Maybe someone discovered them playing in Hamburg. You know, in 60-61, maybe

Starting point is 00:23:11 something very interesting happened at the Litherland Concert Hall in Liverpool in 1960. In fact, if you go there, there's a plaque on the Litherland concert hall. It says the birthplace of Beatlemania. Something happened there. December 27th. 1960, where even though the Beatles had been performing at the Cavern Club endlessly,

Starting point is 00:23:32 and I think they were performing six nights a week, six shows a night in Hamburg, different places, they didn't connect the way they did on that specific night at the Litherland Concert Hall. And that was indeed the birth of Beatlemania. People were like in a trance, hysterical. That's where it all began. And people were, get this, they were, bringing sick friends and relatives, disabled friends and relatives backstage, hoping that one

Starting point is 00:24:01 of the Beatles would lay their hands on them. Wow. They had this almost like this godlike status. What happened? Now, I mean, to get a little supernatural, and I don't want to get too far off, you know, we're all about it, dude. But in the whole first section of the book is called the Beatles Enigma, so chapter one is about the British Cyop to create Beatlemania.

Starting point is 00:24:28 Chapter 2 is the whole Paul is dead legend. Chapter 3 is whether or not John Lennon made that Faustian bargain, made a deal with the devil and he would... Bingo, dude. So... He would... Yeah. Sorry to cut you off, man.

Starting point is 00:24:44 No, no. But, you know, when... This is a crazy thing. So when I was very young in Hollywood, I went and I had meetings with MTV. and it was going really good. And then at one point in the meeting, the guy goes, you're gay, right? And I go, no.

Starting point is 00:25:02 But what if I had said yes? A good friend of mine. What if you had been honest? Well, if I'd been honest with him. Oh, where I'd be. He probably wasn't a cute guy. That's why you're like, no. I mean, like, I'm not going to judge the guy's look.

Starting point is 00:25:22 He was obviously gay. But the point is a friend of mine, a good friend of mine, Brent Ernst talks about a time where he was having like he had a holding deal, which was big back then that meant that they were trying to find a project for you. They threw you money. You were with them for this amount of time of the holding deal. And he took meetings and it really wasn't even about the art. It was about his political views. So, and we always hear these stories about people who are sat down. like, listen, if you want all the riches, all the fame, do you agree to do what we want you to do?

Starting point is 00:26:00 And that's the question. And usually involves a death of a family member, kind of turning out your child, all that stuff. It's like these are real questions that get asked. And it's almost something like in freemasonry where there's this discussion about how there's this moment with the Bible. And no matter what you say, they tell you that's secret. answer. Like, if you will spit on the Bible and throw it on a ground and stomp on it versus, I won't do that because I love Jesus. And like your answer determines which way you go in free masonry and if you, and you will be told you made the right decision. That's what they were

Starting point is 00:26:40 looking for. But you won't know if you really made the right decision because it will, it will determine what access of stuff you have on later on. So 100 percent, there's these conversations of whether you're a team player or not. Right. And when I say Faustian bargain, I don't know if John Lennon, you know, signed a contract in his own blood before Satan. And there's a chapter dedicated to Robert Johnson in the Curse of the Crossroads. Yeah, we'll get to that. But I don't know, I don't know how it happens exactly. I think at a certain level,

Starting point is 00:27:13 we all make a Faustian bargain. We're tempted every day. But we do know that John Lennon would tell his, friend musician Tony Sheridan and they used to be basically his backup band, Tony Sheridan's backup band in Hamburg. That's how they sort of earned their chops. And he would tell Tony Sheridan all the time. I made a deal with the devil. I made a deal with the devil. Was that John Lennon being, you know, tongue and cheek? I don't know. He also told his auntie and his mother before she died, I'm going to be bigger than Elvis and I don't care what I have to do to get there. Guys, they're printing us out of existence. Money's worth nothing. That's why you got to put your

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Starting point is 00:29:57 I have a, I'm not going to say the name, but I told Johnny this about a year or two ago, there was a comic at the comedy store who was a huge name. And he might have been joking. But I literally walked by him. he was having a conversation and he literally said, I sold my soul. Do you remember why I told you that, Johnny? I do, yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:24 It's gone pretty well. And it's gone pretty fucking well. And there's another comic that was like just a regular Joe. And then one day he showed up and he looked totally different. It was all black. He's wearing sunglasses at night. And just, you're like, how did this fucking happen? And then it turns out his people in his life are very much into voodoo and all this other kind of crazy shit, dude, that you kind of go, dude, what the fuck, man.

Starting point is 00:30:55 Because I've said this before. It's like Johnny and I talk about us all the time about how I call Elvis energy. Johnny calls it Hitler energy, right? The Hitler factor. The Hitler factor, right? And how you either have it or you don't have it. And you know who has it. They just connect with crowds.

Starting point is 00:31:12 And there's just some people that don't connect with crowds. And you see it. And you're like, that guy's so funny. Why isn't this popping? They don't have the Elvis energy. And you can't get the Elvis energy, no matter how much you try, unless you do one thing. And that is sell your soul. If you go on YouTube, you'll find a clip there.

Starting point is 00:31:34 Bob Dylan interviewed on 60 Minutes by the late Ed Bradley. So we're going back probably 20 years, maybe 25 years. And Dylan basically makes that admission. You know, he's asked, can you write those same songs that you did during, you know, free will and Bob Dylan days, you know. And he said, no, I can't do it anymore. And then he alluded to, you know, the deal, he made a deal. Yeah. And he didn't come out and say, you know, with a cloven-hoove disciple of Bilsabub or anything like that.

Starting point is 00:32:07 He has a poetic way of saying it, though. Yeah. Is it also about like, why are you still touring or something? like that and it's like got to pay the man why do you still do it why are you still out here well it goes back to the destiny thing you know i made it to bargain with it you know long time ago and i'm holding up my hand what was your bargain to get where um i am now should i ask who you made the bargain with with with you know with the chief uh chief commander on this earth and this earth and then in the world we can't see.

Starting point is 00:32:48 Damn, dude. That is crazy. I doubt who he's talking about. So was that deal struck at the Litherland Concert Hall, Liverpool, December 27th, 1960? Was it a pact made for 20 years? You go ahead 20 years, December 1980, and his assailant sent to collect the bill? Huh. Well, now do you think, this has always been my question with those guys. Do you think that they, in the late 60s, are they still playing into that, to that, or are they, have they gone off script at that point? And is that why, for instance, because, you know, we know. Going off reservation. Yeah, like John Lennon puts his guitar, hangs his guitar above his bed for most of the 70s. It's just a father. And, and then when he, he's, he says, he's just a father.

Starting point is 00:33:40 and then when he finally decides to come back right in 1980 when things are about to take off, it seems he's gone down. And I want to do you think, are they more off script in the late 60s with what they would, with what, you know, whoever it is that's handling them would have them be doing when they lean into the hippie thing or is that part of it?

Starting point is 00:34:02 I'm really curious what you think. Like toward the breakup. So 1969, John Lennon had a little side project this happens before they formally broke up, the Beatles, that is. But he and Yoko and some other session players came up to Toronto. It was called the Plastic Ono Band.

Starting point is 00:34:20 And they performed, I believe, at the varsity stadium attached to the University of Toronto. Now, Canada's great thinker, great communications guru, Marshall McLuhan, was a professor at the University of Toronto. You'll remember McLuhan from the medium

Starting point is 00:34:34 is the message. And he wrote about, you know, the global village, predicted the internet 50 years before it happened. in all of these things. McCluin sat down with John Lennon and he went through all of this stuff, not the, you know, not the satanic, you know, the Faustian bargain, but the whole idea that the Tavist, the Beatles were engineered, they were a creation of the Tavistock. Because McLuhan, you know, he believed that the arts were controlled by secret societies. He wrote about this. People don't

Starting point is 00:35:03 understand that about Marshall McLuhan. He was a conspiracy guy. He was very connected with intelligence whistleblowers. And he sat Lennon down and he told him all this. And Lennon, according to the legend, I guess, was furious and stormed out of McLuhan's office. And then he went back to the hotel, I guess, and thought about it and came back several hours later. And they talked some more. And he left understanding that everything McLuhan told him was true. Now, did that plant a seed and lead Lennon to decide to quit the Beatles?

Starting point is 00:35:37 I don't know. but it did seem to sort of change the trajectory of his artistic output. A few years later we had an album like Mind Games where he's really talking about these sorts of things. And I think it did change Lenin, and he became far more political. And of course, by this time, you know, Nixon hated Lenin.

Starting point is 00:36:01 They were trying to kick him out of the country. He was living in New York at the time. They had a huge file on John Lennon. bugging his phones, tapping his phones, wiring his apartment and so forth. So, yeah, definitely. And I think that we see that with certain artists. When they understand, they can see the strings. You know, they're the puppet and they see the strings.

Starting point is 00:36:26 They were created by the machine. Now they're turning on the machine or they're telling people, look, you know, I'm a useful fool. That asset is of no longer use. to the elites. They've got to be taken out at that point. And you see these mental breakdowns of people like Britney Spears and Justin Bieber. Is that what happened to them? I'm wondering. And it's also when you're no longer making money.

Starting point is 00:36:54 If you're no longer making money and you're taking in money but you're not producing money, now you're a problem. And that's a big thing with like P. Diddy, right? like he didn't he wasn't creating hits anymore but all of his old hits were getting played everywhere and he was making royalties on that so he wasn't getting any money he wasn't putting any money back into the coffers he's only pulling it out and that's when they probably raided him and got rid of him and got you know and i'm sure there's some stuff where he gets they get out of these contracts and it's like the fact that he's still alive is absolutely insanity like you know because he was

Starting point is 00:37:31 associated with so much death, like so many people around him either were dead or in jail for things that he did. And you're like 100, like we tell the story here all the time. We had a guy from Hayprey, Jamie Jostodd, our show. And he was talking about how he was thinking about putting his concert films on his website and charging for them. And someone in the conversation that he was having with them goes, well, you better pay them because they don't like that when you cut them out. Going back to Louis CK. A lot of people think this whole, because everyone knew those things about him, what he did like to do in front of women. And I knew the girls that he did it to. And they were kind of moved on. They weren't really the ones who pushed this whole narrative to take

Starting point is 00:38:19 him down. But it was right around when Lou CK started putting his own sitcoms on his own channel and charging for it. Michael Jackson, the same thing. Prince, the same. thing. When you go off, it's funny that, you know, an assassination like Charlie Kirk reverberate so much. When you look in the rapper community, they're getting off left and right. They get off left and right. And it's always when they start to get political, want to create their own studio, their own label. They start talking about things that piss people off. Same thing with Martin Luther King starts talking about how it's a class war, not a race war. and right after that he's gone. The Martin Luther King family

Starting point is 00:39:02 sues the government saying that they're behind the assassination and wins. And nobody ever talks about that. We're arguing whether there's dark forces behind a Charlie Kirk thing outside of a transfurry. You had Martin Luther King's family

Starting point is 00:39:14 suing the government that they were behind the assassination and they won. So yeah, I think you're totally, it's like you want to make it in show business. There's a lot of people want to make it in show business.

Starting point is 00:39:28 and that's great. You get there, but then there's a price to pay for the rest of your life. Like, why is Willie Nelson? And it's funny because we look at country music as like kind of more God-centric, but now we're starting to see weird things

Starting point is 00:39:45 popping up in country music. In particular, Dolly Parton right now is like people are talking about the weird hand symbol, singles she's doing in her stuff. And like, her health is failing. She's still trying to. tour. It's a weird

Starting point is 00:40:00 ass thing, did. And country has become really dark. I don't know if you've heard it. I was forced to hear it recently in a car dealership and it's all downbeat and kind of like dark energy all the popular music. Heavily influenced by that show Yellowstone, I think. A lot of, because that guy's taste is very

Starting point is 00:40:16 like downbeat sort of dark music. I had a quick question for you. Do you think what are some of the messages that you think were inserted throughout the 60s into the Beatles music and their personas. How were they trying to influence youth through those songs? Well, I don't have a kind of a scientific breakdown of which musical chords can evoke

Starting point is 00:40:39 certain emotions and so forth. But if you look at the evolution, or some might say the devolution of American culture from 1964, just say to 1967, you know, two and a half, three years, if you look, the youth culture in America, almost in lockstep with the Beatles, and some of the other British invasion bands as well. But if you look at the Beatles, their hair, you know, they said they had long hair in 64, but it was just barely below the collar. But the hair got longer. The clothes got more outlandish. The normalization of drugs in three years. It all took place. And the youth culture almost in lockstep with the Beatles. That is the power of culture. And yes,

Starting point is 00:41:27 again the repetitive nature and not so much the you know the words but it's the repetitiveness of the words again think of MacLeod Marshall McLuhan the medium is the message it's not the content it's the technology that has the impact and so that repetitive nature of the music which was very similar to psychic driving which I mentioned earlier with Dr. Ewan Cameron at McGill University and it's psychological torture in those cases but here the idea was just a bypass analytical mind and affect emotions and the subconscious mind.

Starting point is 00:42:02 So interesting. I think they did that same thing to the guy who killed him, who killed John Legend. He must be M.K. Altered. The book, Catcher in the Right. I wish they got John Legend. Yeah, there must have been something. There must have been something with that with some M.K. Alter thing. Oh, yeah, I read that book. Like,

Starting point is 00:42:18 the whole story of John Hinkley is crazy, dude. Like, he traveled the world. No one knows how he did it. he uh because he didn't have the money or mark david chapman mark david chapman yeah mark david chapman you're right so travel the whole world uh no one knows how he did it uh he would work through the why which we find out is the ymca which is a government cut out they were using those as you know fronts for christianity but really they were kind of ways of subversion in the countries they were trying to overthrow they were sending CIA agents through those places as a way to get in.

Starting point is 00:42:57 And then, like, he would get weird phone calls all the time. And people, he would talk about these phone calls he got. And who knows what was said on those phone calls, but maybe the words to enact this subconscious assassin. Like, that's what they were saying with Sirhan Sirhan, the woman in the pink dress, the polka dot dress, which most people don't know about. She, you know, the famous story about her yelling,

Starting point is 00:43:23 we got him, we got him. sounds like we got who they're like we killed r fk and she runs off laughing and give well she was seen with sir hans sir hans right before the assassination is she saying the words that trigger him to to do the fake assassination where he pulls a gun and everyone says white smoke almost like confetti comes out it's it's super interesting man uh well absolutely now in my book tales from the rock and roll twilight zone i don't get into the mk ultra um angle with Mark David Chapman, although for the record, you know, I certainly believe it was a political assassination, and I certainly think there's a lot of credence to that argument that Chapman is another in a long line of programmed assassins.

Starting point is 00:44:10 In my book, it's more of a supernatural and metaphysical look at Lenin, and the question as to whether he made this pact with the devil that lasted 20 years. I mean, if you go back in literature, the idea of this Faustian Barter, and Faust was this German alchemist who supposedly made this deal with Mephistopheles, who was, you know, this demon, this German demon. And Marlowe, you know, was a contemporary of Shakespeare. He wrote about Faust and Gerta, the great German writer, wrote about Faust. And in those cases, the pact was for 24 years. So in this case, I guess, you know, it was revised.

Starting point is 00:44:51 It's 20 years. So I'm questioning, you know, whether. Mark David Chapman was not the architect of Lenin's murder, but was the vehicle, the instrument by which the debt, or Lenin's immortal soul was collected

Starting point is 00:45:08 20 years after the pact was made. But Sam, you were mentioning earlier about how, you know, this Masonic ritual where you spit on the Bible. Well, Lenin sort of did that in a number of ways. You may recall an album that came out in

Starting point is 00:45:24 1966, it was called Yesterday and Today, and it had the four Beatles sitting there wearing white smocks, covered in dismembered baby parts, and the album cover was pulled because it was quite obscene. I mean, by today's standards, if you've got original, you've got probably a very valuable asset or collector's item, but that was just seen as a total abomination. Then, of course, we had John Lennon's infamous remarks, you know, were more popular than Jesus. So, you know, was that part of the ritual that John Lennon had to denigrate Christianity? You know, later he wrote songs. You know, imagine, imagine there's no heaven, imagine there's no hell.

Starting point is 00:46:12 If you've made a pact with the devil, you better be hoping there's no heaven. In other words, there's no judgment. In another song, he wrote, you know, I'm scared. Then he said, or he wrote, there's no bell, book, or candle that's going to get me out of this. Now, in Catholicism, when someone is excommunicated, a bell is rung, the candle is snuffed out, and the Bible is closed. That is sort of the ritual of excommunication. So, I mean, was Lenin telegraphing that he knew time was running out and he had made a horrible mistake? Perhaps.

Starting point is 00:46:51 I mean, there's a lot of interesting foreshadowing in his lyrics. There's also, I just want to leave you with this, there's a photograph. I believe it's on the magical mystery tour album, maybe on, like, it's a gatefold, I think maybe on the inside of the album. From 1967, Lenin is standing on the street in London, and in behind him, you can see kind of a billboard or a sandwich board. It appears to be an advertisement for a travel company. again, this is 1967.

Starting point is 00:47:21 It says on the billboard behind John Lennon, the best way to go, as in travel, the best way to go is, and then the initials of the travel company, MDC. Mark David Chapman. Whoa. Fascinating.

Starting point is 00:47:38 Whoa. That is crazy. That is crazy. I also want to get into some of the, because I could talk to you forever. about Paul's dead before we Yeah, okay, John, yeah, this is I love that one.

Starting point is 00:47:54 Yeah, Paul is dead. What are your thoughts on that? Okay, spoiler alert. I don't believe Paul McCartney was killed in a car crash in November 1966 after storming out of Abbey Road Studios and was then replaced by a body double

Starting point is 00:48:10 because in order to believe that, you'd have to believe that the executives at EMI or they're surviving Beatles or George Martin or Brian Epstein found an exact, you know, body double, who also was a left-handed bass player, who arguably was more talented than the original. And I say that because if you look at McCartney's work up into 66, yes, he wrote yesterday probably the most covered song and pop music history. But post-66, look at the outpouring of masterpieces by Paul McCartney.

Starting point is 00:48:42 Let it be, hey Jude, the long and winding road, all his work with wings, his solo music, so forth. However, having said that, even though I don't believe it, the clues that were left, the breadcrumbs that were left, whether we're talking about the album cover of Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club band, and I thought I saw that on your set there in the back. Yep. There it is. Yeah. It's a funereal scene. There's so many clues on that album cover. in fact if you take a straight edge of a mirror and you place it

Starting point is 00:49:19 basically cut in half the bass drum there's a bass drum on the album and it says you know the name of the album but if you place the straight edge mirror there you'll get the reflection back it'll give you the the date of McCartney's supposed death which was in Roman numerals which is the 9th of November and then it says he died So the clues are there

Starting point is 00:49:44 There's also someone placing a hand over McCartney's head Which is sort of Eastern mysticism for you know This person is dead There's a bloody There's a doll On someone's lap And the person is wearing a glove A racing glove on the left hand

Starting point is 00:50:02 McCartney was left handed and it's covered in blood I mean the whole scene of Sergeant Pepper's is a funereal scene On Abby Road you've got the four beetles crossing the street McCartney is out of step with the others he's barefoot why well when you put someone in a coffin you're not buried with your shoes

Starting point is 00:50:21 you're barefoot he's smoking a cigarette with his right hand even though he was left handed there's a Volkswagen on the side of the road with a license plate that says 28 IF 28 if McCartney would have been 28 had he lived

Starting point is 00:50:34 so there and then there's the back masking in the song Sergeant Pepper you know if you play it backwards I buried Paul revolution number nine, turn me on dead man, turn me on. All these clues, how did they get there? Was it just clever marketing? Perhaps.

Starting point is 00:50:49 But there's also an argument to be made that it was a very clever sci-op. Imagine how useful this would be for intelligence organizations to be able to sit back and watch perhaps tens of millions of teenagers around the world so incredibly distracted and focused on finding these clues. you know, playing in dormitories all across America, playing the records backwards, taking a magnifying glass, looking at the cover of Sergeant Pepper, or I found another clue, I found another clue. What's going on in 1969 when this legend took off? And it spread initially just by word of mouth, and it still lives with us today 60 years later.

Starting point is 00:51:33 But if you can get students doing that, you distract them from the war in Vietnam in 69. There was a lot of, there was the race riots going on. There was so much turmoil in America. And yet you had all of these college students focused on the Polish dead legend. And it really began with a call to a Detroit radio station, a DJ named Russ Gibb, took a call from a student in Iowa. I believe it was Davenport University. And he told Russ Gabe about all these clues.

Starting point is 00:52:06 Russ Gibb had never heard of it before. All of a sudden the phone lines are, flooded with calls. They're talking about the clues. A couple weeks later. The same thing happens at W.A.B.C. in New York with Roby Young, the great DJ. W.A.B.C. was a 50,000-watt station. It reached 40 states. Roby Young, it gets fired on the air by his manager, program manager, because he broke format instead of playing records. He was taking calls about the Paul is dead legend. And here we are, and this all happened, this all happened decades. before social media and the internet.

Starting point is 00:52:43 That is interesting, dude. That is interesting. That is almost what they're saying with Q. Like, really the question is, can they capture our minds? Your energy. Can they capture our energy? Can they get us to buy into something?

Starting point is 00:53:04 And run with it. And then it becomes a life of its owns. And they feed little breadcrumbs here and there. and it's a giant marketing play. It's a great way to get, oh, now you're running to buy the record to look at all the little symbols, dude. You're easier to push

Starting point is 00:53:19 when you're already leaning, you know? Yeah. It reminds me of coast to coast. Like, I knew some people were calling it. I'm like, oh, that's government. They're pushing some government stuff. I'm like, how do you know that guy wasn't saying it? I wouldn't doubt it, dude.

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Starting point is 00:56:51 Now you've got, you know, hundreds of millions or billions of people walking around with their their smartphone and they're scrolling and it's sending it's sending back information about you when did you stop scrolling what did you stop you know which which Instagram posts did you stop on did you pause you know what's on your playlist what are you sharing what are you watching exactly what are you watching how long are you watching when did you fall asleep. What did you fall asleep to? What are you listening to while you're asleep? It's all right here and we're

Starting point is 00:57:30 sleeping with it right by our head. You don't need, I mean, the, the power they have now because of the ubiquitousness of the phone is, they don't need to necessarily, I mean, it was pretty primitive back in the 60s, you know, we'll take this band, we'll have them play these riffs and we'll see if they can influence the culture. They were successful, but they don't need to do that anymore. It's all rate in the phone. We're all just, and we're accepting of it. We're accepting of it. They do something like that. They do something like that with gospel music. They'll play music at the churches and they figure out which ones work and they throw those on the airways on like which albums work and they're just testing it on the people at church. If the people at

Starting point is 00:58:12 the church start singing back, they're like, oh, this one's good. It's pushed this band. You know, it's so interesting. Rappers do that at strip bars. Oh, really? They'll be like, is this going to be a hit? They'll play it in strip. bar if the girls start dancing they know they got a hit yeah they're testing out that's so interesting they're testing it out i want to say about the bills too i don't think it's any coincidence that paul and john their mothers died when they were young i i think they probably if they were targeted it would be partly for that everything's data yeah and john's father too was like absent so it's i i think they were particularly likely to you know be everything is data they're watching

Starting point is 00:58:50 everybody. I mean, it's, you know, you have some stuff about Kirk Cobain, but like, you know, it's everything is data, dude. We just did some of the Gates program. They're all caught, like, now they have to send people in the schools to find out who's this and who's that. It's like, why did they use Charles Manson? They just, this guy, he had something, he had energy. They can manipulate him. He had that Elvis factor that we talked about. People got behind him. Gets arrested, that gets kicked, released from jail instantly. So he makes a call, get them out of jail. And then they start sending people to them to blow them up to make the re.

Starting point is 00:59:30 It's like, it's all data, dude. Everything is data. They're constantly watching. And it's like before that, they would go to these campuses and see they would talk to these professors, who's the loudest, who's the most passionate. And they would just study this stuff. It's a whole thing like why Porn Hub is free. What are you watching?

Starting point is 00:59:49 commenting who's commenting on the shadiest videos on porn hub like how much data do you think they got off the candace owens andrew wilson it's got 5.2 million views already how much data did they get off of that who's watching it who's liking it who left comments who watched the whole thing maybe it's more about like divide and conquer with that video but it's possible much just data yeah yeah i mean but it's like it's just like that causes like again going back to like programming people into oh man, you've got to be behind this assassinate. You've got to fight for the truth, good guy, bad guy, all that stuff. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:00:24 I mean, the 60s were a crazy time. The whole thing was a giant CIA sci-up. I mean, you got stuff about Jimmy Hendricks, but also like the Grateful Dead. I mean, I don't know how good that music is. I don't think it's bad. I just, you're playing stadiums and people are following you around. You're, you know, you're the band for the CIA's ad. acid manufacturer.

Starting point is 01:00:50 And then they're like, yeah, we're just going to throw you up there and we're going to load everybody with acid and they're just going to associate acid with your music and they're going to follow you around and do nothing with their lives. Yeah, and people forget, LSD was legal up until, I think, 1966. And the guy that was making LSD or acid, not only for the Grateful Dead, who were known as originally called the Warlocks, they were just playing. playing in some, they were the house band in some pizza parlor and hate Ashbury. And they hook up with this guy Stanley Owsley, or Owsley Stanley, my apologies.

Starting point is 01:01:27 Owsley Stanley. He was making up batches of LSD in his bathtub at Berkeley. And he provided LSD to all, you know, the beach boys, you name it. It was all Owsley-Stanley-Asset. And he also became kind of their, you know, their, not their tour manager, but he was the guy that came up with this idea. stacking all these amplifiers, you know, it was the Owsley Stanley Wall of Sound. We attribute that to Phil Spector, but in concert it was Stanley who came up with this idea,

Starting point is 01:01:57 all these amps stacked on, you know, and yeah, everybody's tripping out on LSD and Jerry Garcia is playing like a 28-minute solo. I agree. I mean, I like some other music, but they were the house band for the Mary Pranksters. And Ken Kesey, you know, the guy that wrote, one flew over the cuckoo's nest. He was driving that bus. And, they were just handing out free LSD and people were tripping out. And Ken Kesey reportedly, along with Robert Hunter, who he didn't perform with the dead, but he co-wrote most of their music with Jerry Garcia. They were both involved in an LSD program at Stanford University, which is interesting.

Starting point is 01:02:41 So, yeah, it's the hippie movement and the whole summer of love thing, it may have originally been this organic happening, but as soon as the elites take notice of, you know, look at this this happening over here, we better get in there and make use of it and amplify it and steer it, just the same as Beatlemania. That's what they did.

Starting point is 01:03:05 I mean, you know, Charlie Manson, you mentioned, he's hanging out in the same neighborhood in Hayd Ashbury recruiting his family as MK Ultra Scientist Dr. Jolly West was. Coincidence? I think not. And I spoke with an M.K. Ultra Survivor recently on my podcast, and she says that she was, now, can I verify this as truth? No, I can't. But according to her, Michael Aquino, who was a Satanist, who achieved a very high status in the U.S. military, Michael Aquino and herself and Charlie Manson were all part of the same MK Ultra program for what it's worth.

Starting point is 01:03:51 So, you know, everybody goes through their Jimmy Hendrix phase of their life. They go to college. You're smoking pot. You're listening to Jimmy Hendricks. Waterfalls, one of my favorite songs of all time. What's your thoughts on Jimmy Hendricks? Jimmy Hendricks, I think like the Beatles. the machine got behind him.

Starting point is 01:04:14 He was managed by this guy Michael Jeffrey, who was kind of a sinister guy. You know, the record, the music industry from the mid-50s up until probably the mid-70s, maybe a little bit later,

Starting point is 01:04:27 was like the Wild West. You had gangsters and assassins and just, I mean, look at Led Zeppelin's manager, Peter Grant. That guy was a thug. I mean, he'd throw people down the stairwell. Don Arden, the manager of Black Sabbath,

Starting point is 01:04:40 and ELO. They called him the Al Capone of Rock. Well, Mike Jeffrey was in the British intelligence corps. He was said to be a killer. He would tell people, you know, I can kill you with my baby finger. And he served in the Suez Canal crisis in 1956 with British intelligence. He got a hold of, he got his hooks into Jimmy Hendricks. He made himself indispensable to Hendricks.

Starting point is 01:05:06 He would stage kidnappings. Hendricks had no idea what was happening. He was in New York in Greenwich Village. What? He gets lured out of a club, and he gets thrown into the back of a van and held hostage in an apartment. And the kidnappers supposedly call Mike Jeffrey, and Mike Jeffrey then contacts his fixer in New Jersey who brings in his mobsters, and they somehow miraculously, they know where Jimmy Hendricks is being held, and they free Jimmy Hendricks from the clutches of this gang. and Mike Jeffrey swoops in like the, you know, the savior, the knight in shining armor and says, I rescued you, Jimmy.

Starting point is 01:05:44 You've got to stick with me because without me, you know, you're going to be like a lamb thrown to the wolves. Whoa. Same thing happened to Toronto in 1970. Jimmy Hendricks lands in Toronto. By this time, he's free of heroin, he's clean. He's traveling with Kathy etching him, his girlfriend. She knew he was clean. The customs people find drug paraphernalia in his suitcase.

Starting point is 01:06:05 And he looks at Kathy astonished. She goes, you know, I'm clean. That's not mine. I didn't put that there. He was facing probably 20 years in jail. 1970 in Toronto. They didn't mess around. Now everything's legal up here.

Starting point is 01:06:16 But again, Mike Jeffrey swoops in. Former intel, you know, they say, once CIA, always CIA, probably the same with MI5 and MI6. He's got connections. He gets Jimmy Hendricks off the charges. And once again, he comes to Jimmy, see what I do for you, Jimmy, without me, you're nothing. He stages these things. This is, again, classic M.K.

Starting point is 01:06:37 Ultra or. And he also, he toured Jimmy Hendricks. He ran him ragged. He physical exhaustion, emotional exhaustion. And there was no rhyme or reason to where Jimmy would be touring. Instead of, you know, going up and down the East Coast or into the Midwest, he'd be all over the map. It was deliberate. He was trying to wear Jimmy down. And Jimmy Hendricks was signing things. He didn't know what he was signing. He was signing his life away. And I talked to in the, and he's in the book, Juma Sulton played percussion for Jimmy Hendricks. You'll recall Jimmy Hendricks closed the show at Woodstock and that star-spangled banner that he played. Well, he wasn't with the Jimmy Hendricks experience at this point. The band was called Gypsy's Sun and Rainbows.

Starting point is 01:07:25 And Juma Sulton played percussion. Billy Cox was on bass and Jimmy Hendricks. And Juma Sulton told me, you know, we tried to tell Jimmy, Mike Jeffries no good for you. He's stealing from you. There are offshore accounts. You got to get away from this guy. And so Jimmy decided he was going to, when the contract expired and it was about to expire in September of 1970,

Starting point is 01:07:47 meanwhile, Mike Jeffrey had taken out a life insurance policy on his cash cow, Jimmy Andrews. Oh my God! And Hendricks, supposedly, you know, suffers barbituit poisoning. It'd take a nine, I think they're called Vaspiracts or something, these barbiturates

Starting point is 01:08:05 nine of them, seriously, and he aspirates on his own vomit. Now, when they wheel him into St. Mary Abbott's Hospital in London, the attending physician, Dr. John Bannister, first thing he notices is Jimmy Hendricks' hair is soaked in red wine. His clothes are drenched with red wine. His lungs are filled with red wine. Now, there might be a little bit in the stomach, but not enough to cause him to aspirate on that much red wine.

Starting point is 01:08:38 He basically concluded, he didn't even know who Jimmy Hendricks was. He didn't know. He just saw this young black man in the emergency room. And he basically thought, this guy's been drowned. He's been drowned in red wine. It sounds an awful lot like waterboarding, something that Jeff would have been very familiar with. So a lot of suspicious things going on with Jimmy's death. And again, that's a common thing.

Starting point is 01:09:04 theme, a common thread in my book is this rush to judgment. Young rock star, suicide, or accidental overdose, let's move on. Same thing happened with Kurt Cobain. Same thing happened with Brian Jones and even Elvis. Now, is the desire to off them is so they control their rights? Well, with Mike Jeffrey, and again, let me say this, because of his intelligence context and information, involvement in the intelligence community, I don't think he would have been able to pull that off the cover-up without some help from people in high places, meaning, you know, MI6 or whomever. But Mike Jeffrey was indebted to the mob as well for tens of millions of dollars, and he knew that he was about to lose Jimmy Hendricks. Jimmy Hendricks was not going to renew

Starting point is 01:09:57 the contract. So it was that life insurance policy, I believe, in that case. Wow. Elvis, who liked that as well? With Elvis, and you know, it's unfortunate because, and we just passed the 49th anniversary, next year is going to be pivotal because the autopsy, his autopsy was sealed for 50 years. Next year is the 50th anniversary. And that's never a good sign. Yeah, why do you do that? We just got to seal this so everyone's dead.

Starting point is 01:10:31 That's, whenever we're going to seal this for this long, that's never good. Yeah. The other thing that's sad is Elvis has become kind of a caricature. You know, we think of Elvis overweight in Las Vegas, or he faked his death, and, oh, I saw him in flipping burgers at a Burger King in Kalamazoo. Elvis is alive. He faked his death. I present the case that Elvis, in fact, was murdered. And there's a number of things going on. First of all, this rush to judgment by Dr. Jerry Francisco, who was the medical examiner in Shelfare. County where Memphis is located. Dr. Francisco was also the

Starting point is 01:11:11 chief medical examiner when Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated in Memphis nine years earlier and there was a rush to judgment there in terms of the trajectory of the bullet that killed Dr. King and where it may have come from

Starting point is 01:11:28 and so forth. And I mean we know that whole case was a cock up and a setup as you alluded to earlier. So Dr. Jerry Francisco immediately rushes the judgment, even before he gets a toxicology report back and says, oh, Elvis died of a heart attack on the toilet. And then they had three toxicology reports performed. Two of them, and this was the other portrait of Elvis, oh, he was a hopeless drug addict,

Starting point is 01:11:53 and Dr. Nicopolis was feeding his habit and he should go to jail. Two of the toxicology reports found therapeutic levels only of prescribed medication in Elvis. The third toxicology report is a real outlier, and it was performed at the biosciences lab in California. According to that toxicology report, it's very strange. They claim Elvis had something like 7 to 11 times the lethal amount of codeine in his system. Well, that's complete BS. Everybody around Elvis knew he was allergic to codeine. He had an anaphylactic seizure or anaphylactic event many, many years earlier when he had

Starting point is 01:12:36 some codeine. He never went near it. He had an encyclopedic knowledge of his prescribed medications. They were very careful. Everybody knew that. In fact, I quote a Dr. Dan Warlick in the book, Warlick attended the autopsy. It's not all sealed. We know this from Warlick later. He held Elvis's larynx in his hand during the autopsy. Imagine one of the greatest voices of the 20th century. He's got the larynx in his hand, there was no sign of inflammation or swelling or, I mean, if you have codeine, an allergy to codeine, your larynx swells up. No sign of that. They also dissected Elvis's heart, something like 300 times, one of the most studied hearts in human history. There was no sign of some impending cardiac event. Was Elvis a little overweight? Yes, he was.

Starting point is 01:13:29 Who is it? But he had underwent a very rigorous physical. exam just weeks earlier because he was getting set to go on tour at the time of his passing. Once again, in fact, the day that he died, he was supposed to perform in, I think, Portland, Maine and begin another leg of his tour. But that physical exam, he was given a clean bill of health by the life insurance company. So there's a lot of questions. There's also Elvis's involvement with the FBI. The Presley's were involved in an FBI investment. called Operation Fountain Pen. Vernon Presley, Elvis's father, he was the victim here, just to be clear,

Starting point is 01:14:11 Vernon Presley was trying to sell or lease one of Elvis's private planes. He had two of them. One was called the Hound Dog 1 and the other was a Hound Dog 2. He was trying to lease or sell Hound Dog 2 to this company, which was a front for the mob. and so the FBI were trying to get Elvis and or his father to testify. Now, was he necessarily the star witness? Did it all hang on Elvis's testimony? Not necessarily, but if you imagine Elvis Presley in the witness stand

Starting point is 01:14:41 testifying against these mobsters, not a good story for the mob. Also, Elvis is performing in Las Vegas because his manager Colonel Tom Parker, not his real name, and he wasn't a colonel. He was an illegal immigrant from Holland, came to the United States, snuck in, may have been involved in manslaughter. He could never leave the country. That's why Elvis never went on tour around the world.

Starting point is 01:15:10 Elvis should have been... Everywhere. I think when he died, he had like a million dollars in the bank. Because Colonel Tom Parker took 50%, Sam. Have you ever heard of such a thing? A manager? Taking 50% of every penny you earn? So, Colonel Parker, like Mike Jeffrey, was also indebted to the mob.

Starting point is 01:15:32 He ran up huge gambling debts in Las Vegas. That's why he had Elvis performing there nonstop to pay off his debts. FBI also infiltrated Elvis's entourage, I believe with Elvis's permission, and we're spying on the mob in Vegas, and the mob knew it. And they're saying to Parker, you better do something about your boy. You know, he's spying on us. Elvis was a spy? Well, people inside his entourage, maybe even members of his backup band, were FBI.

Starting point is 01:16:05 Informants. Whoa. They were spying on the mob in Las Vegas. So they kept pressuring Colonel Tom Parker. You better do something about your boy. This is not good. And so Parker was feeling the heat. But also Colonel Tom Parker, now today we take it for granted merchandising.

Starting point is 01:16:24 and you see an artist on t-shirts and buttons and bumper stickers. This was in its infancy in the mid to late 70s. It was just starting. And Colonel Tom Parker formed his own corporation to market Elvis this way. And he was making a killing. Elvis T-shirts, Elvis buttons. And Elvis was starting to wear down a little bit because Parker, like Jimmy Hendricks and Mike Jeffrey,

Starting point is 01:16:47 he was running him into the ground. If Elvis was too sick to perform because he had the flu, Parker would say, you get him out of bed and get him on that stage. They would stick Elvis's head in a bucket of ice to revive him. And Colonel Parker realized at a certain point, you know, this is too much trouble. He's worth more dead than alive. That's crazy.

Starting point is 01:17:09 That's Michael Jackson. Yeah, same thing. He was about to go on tour. Michael was about to go on tour. Oh, yeah. Before they off the off. The Kirk Cobain stuff seems to be popping up again that they reopened. No, there's a, yeah, we can get Kirk Cobain.

Starting point is 01:17:27 I also want to get into the Robert Johnson and Gary Patterson Selling of the Souls real quick before we let you go. Kirk Obain, what are your thoughts? Well, it is timely because I think it was earlier this year, maybe February, I want to say, or late 2025. There was an independent team of forensic analysts. These were not court appointed. They basically sort of deputized themselves

Starting point is 01:17:51 and decided to petition King. County in Washington, where Seattle is located, to see if either the DA's office or the police or the medical examiner's office would reopen the case, they refused. So the case remains closed. And of Kurt Cobain was cremated after his death. So, you know, it would be difficult. There are people that you could impanel a grand jury and put some people on the stand, no question. So there's some, there's the, the whole timeline around Kurt Cobain's death. He's to discovered April 5th in a room above his detached garage that had been converted into a green room, an electrician found him, sprawled on the floor with a shotgun, and of course, blood splatter

Starting point is 01:18:34 and so forth, and a suicide note, so-called, and supposedly had something like two to three times the lethal amount of, I'm going to say brown, because the H-word I think is verboten on, I don't want to get you in trouble on YouTube or wherever, but morphine, it metabolizes his morphine in the bloodstream. We're expected to believe that he had two to three times the lethal dose in his system, yet still managed to take a shotgun, which is a very cumbersome weapon, stick it in his mouth. And I don't know if you've handled a shotgun, if you're a hunter,

Starting point is 01:19:12 imagine sticking the barrel in your mouth and then trying to reach the trigger with your other finger. You can't do it. it's very well if you can you must have arms like abraham lincoln or something but in addition there was a flash suppressor attached to the end of the barrel which adds another six inches so okay so what maybe he pulled the trigger with his big toe no he was wearing shoes he had his shoes on so there's that there's also the the what's called the blood back spatter and that's um blood's uh blood pattern analysis so when you when someone is shot the back spatter goes towards the source of the force or the source of the, in this case, the rifle.

Starting point is 01:19:58 So there is back spatter on that flash muzzle. And his Cobain's one hand was very close like he was holding it supposedly by the flash one barrel, by the flash suppressor, the barrel. There was no back spatter of these blood. blood droplets on his hand, which should have been there, which is interesting. Also, the amount of, I hate to be graphic, but the brain material you would expect to find, you know, on the walls and so forth, that seemed to be, there wasn't as much blood as we would have expected.

Starting point is 01:20:35 So, you know, was that scene staged, perhaps? Also, if you've got two to three times the lethal dose in your, how do you manage, not only to manage that weapon, but also his whole, the whole drug paraphernalia kit had been neatly and tidily, you know, packed away and moved to one side. You know, you put the needles back in the case and so forth. That's very strange. And then you have this so-called suicide note, which was found near the body,

Starting point is 01:21:01 had been stabbed into a flower pot, into the soil with a red pen. The first chunk of the note doesn't really read like a suicide note. It's more like, you know, I'm walking away from the business. I'm sick and tired of it. He was basically saying to his fans, thanks for everything, but it's time for me to step away. I want to spend more time with my daughter. So that's 95% of the note.

Starting point is 01:21:24 The last 5% doesn't match at all. In fact, three, again, these are not court-appointed. These are independent handwriting analysts have looked and said they don't match. The 5% of the note seemed to have been tacked on. It doesn't match Kurt's handwriting. And in that 5% of the note, he talks about, oh, Courtney and Francis Bean, you'd be better off without me. that reads like, you know, a suicide note.

Starting point is 01:21:50 Now, their lawyer, Rosemary Carroll, was recorded in a conversation with investigator Tom Grant. And in that recording, Rosemary Carroll reveals that she found what she called practice sheets in Courtney Love's backpack, allegedly, reportedly. Oh, my God! As if she were trying to practice Kurt's handwriting. These are all allegations.

Starting point is 01:22:17 it's never been proven in court and Courtney has denied any wrongdoing in the case but that's what's out there. So we also know that Kurt, according to Rosemary Carroll, the lawyer was planning on changing the will. In fact, it had all been drafted, but he hadn't signed it yet. That would have directed all of the royalties to Francis Bean,

Starting point is 01:22:38 his daughter, not to Courtney Love. Remember, after his death, I mean, Kurt Cobain is consistently listed among the top earners among, you know, dead celebrities. his estate would have been worth billions of dollars. So we also have the testimony of a character by the name of Eldon Hoke, whose stage name was Elducay. Now, we have to take this with a green of salt, a grain of salt,

Starting point is 01:23:06 maybe not the most credible of witnesses, but he was filmed a documentary by Nick Broomfield called Kurt and Courtney that was released several years after Kurt's death. On film, El Ducche claims that Courtney came to him and offered him. I forget what the amount was, $10,000, $25,000 to kill Kurt with a shotgun. El Ducce said he laughed in her face and said, you're not serious. And she allegedly responded, I'm as serious as a heart attack.

Starting point is 01:23:40 Several days after that filming, El Ducce was found dead on the railroad tracks. on the railroad tracks. Yeah, and there's so much, there's also some weird shit with Dave Navarro that, and like Dave Navarro, this revisionist history of him, like he tells his famous story about how he got beat up

Starting point is 01:24:01 at a Republican convention, but what nobody knows is that his dad was the speech writer for Reagan. Dave Grohl or Dave Navarro? Dave Grohl. You said Dave Navarro. Oh, sorry, Dave. Dave Girl, my apologies everybody.

Starting point is 01:24:16 Dave Girl, thank you, Johnny. Yeah. Well, he also has language about selling his soul and like a Rolling Stone Art. Oh, yeah, it's really creepy, too. Really creepy. And now how he's had basically two band members die on him, the one guy with the heart, the last drummer that he forced him to get the shot. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:24:37 And like, it's really crazy. But there was a lot of stuff going on, you know, him realizing it, Courtney, was more than what he thought, her connections to the CIA, going back to the Grateful Dead, her dad, what her dad did to her, what was done to her in these mental facilities, really dark shit, how the CIA used her as kind of a cockroach to infiltrate these drug scenes, introduce everybody, the heroin. And it's like crazy to me, dude, how dark that shit really got

Starting point is 01:25:11 and how he was going to kick out Dave Grohl. The rumor was Dave Grohl was out with the band, and Dave Grohl has very elite connections through his father. And like his father and Courtney Love's father were supposedly the bankrollers of Nirvana. And the movement of Nirvana to help usher in grunge and kick out like, a heavy metal. And like this is back in the day where there was no internet.

Starting point is 01:25:46 So like if you didn't get radio play, you were dead. Nobody knew about you. There's no way to keep your, now it's like it's harder for people like, Gundam style. That guy still crushes it because the internet.

Starting point is 01:25:58 Si, yeah. Si still crush it because he has he has the internet to connect with his fans so he's still in their face. If this was 20, 30 years ago, nobody'd be talking about sigh anymore because out of out of sight out of mind so it was a totally different time man and it was like it's just like oh man it's so creepy and dark and like just listening to richard talk about

Starting point is 01:26:23 like i don't think people realize how many of these guys die like like we always we again we just talked about that hayden chick what's her name johnny panitiary and how she just comes out about this this this this like she was 18 and she was forced into a bedroom by the female on the boat to hook up with this old rocker yeah and her ex-husband was with the bank at barclays bank um and according to some Epstein files allegedly i guess her husband took part in some of these um um um trafficking you know parties and so forth. The clitkos are also been associated

Starting point is 01:27:13 with trafficking out of the Ukraine. It's dark, bro. I want to get... No, I mean, who runs the show here, right? It's Satan is running the show. And I I'm a Orthodox Christian. I believe in angels and demons and

Starting point is 01:27:31 an unseen world. And I know that may sound, I don't know, off-putting or to some people, but that's, I believe that is the truth. I believe it 100%. And, you know, in the book, Tales from the Rock and Roll Twilight Zone, I don't claim that I've found the truth necessarily. I'm just, I'm asking questions. When we're talking about Elvis and Kurt Cobain, these cases need to be reopened and reinvestigated.

Starting point is 01:27:59 Brian Jones, another example, founder of the Rolling Stones, found dead at the bottom of swimming pool. Jimmy Hendricks, who we mentioned, and there's so many, many others, rush to judgment. And I do also,

Starting point is 01:28:15 I believe in the influences of the occult, whether it's done maybe somewhat innocently for marketing purposes, it's an invitation, nonetheless. And when you keep knocking

Starting point is 01:28:28 on that door, even if you think you're just being silly or funny or it's you know, from branding purposes, eventually something's going to answer. Yeah. Talking about Cobain, too.

Starting point is 01:28:42 You know, his suicide note is addressed to an imagine, Bada, this imaginary friend. It's like the first word of his, which is bizarre. It's a friend. He says in the suicide note, he's like, since age seven, I've not been able to appreciate life. Basically, it's been a downhill thing since then. And that's when he, his parents got divorced and he invented. or this imaginary friend appeared in his mind. And he literally addresses his suicide note to Bada, whatever.

Starting point is 01:29:11 It's a bizarre. It sounds like a demon or something. It's weird. It's weird. But if you go into the suicide note based on what Richard's told us, he wants to step away and spend time with his daughter. And then he's like, you're better off without me. He's so right about the handwriting, too, by the way.

Starting point is 01:29:27 Once it gets into that, like at the very last few lines is completely different. And by the way, Courtney Love got in trouble again for setting up a murder of her daughter's ex-fiance. Her daughter gifted her fiance at the time a guitar from Kurt. And then it didn't work out. And the guy's like, no, dude, I'm keeping the guitar that was a gift to me. And Courtney wanted it back. And she got busted basically putting a hit out on him. Wow.

Starting point is 01:30:00 Really? that did not make it into the into the book. I wish it had, but I'll tell something else that I learned after the fact. And again, the book is based on the podcast, which I produced back in 2018, and I tried to update certain things. I only learned fairly recently that the person who performed the autopsy on Kurt Cobain, he's since passed 2002, a base jumping accident in Switzerland. But he later, after Kurt's death, said that he should have recused himself from the

Starting point is 01:30:30 case because he had a friendship and with Courtney Love. Now, if you read his statement, you might infer that it was more than just a friendship, that they were intimate. Can you imagine? I mean, you can't make this stuff up. The guy that performs the autopsy on Kurt Cobain is allegedly intimate or having an affair with Courtney Love? Come on. Unbelievable, dude. And it's that whole 27 club. Like, how many of them die at the age of 27? is it 27 it's super interesting Jim Morrison died there so did like Mac Miller

Starting point is 01:31:05 numerology with that one of my favorite movies of all time is Crossroads it's it's I remember watching going this is such a good movie it's about a guy who sells a soul and tries to get it back right by having his new guitar

Starting point is 01:31:22 sensation battle the devil again and it all comes down to Robert Johnson and all that story Now, how much of Robert Johnson do you think is true the lore of that? Well, the crossroads, the idea of making a deal at the crossroads and just to set the scene. So in the 1930s, Robert Johnson is a sharecropper, the son of a sharecropper, and he's living in the Mississippi Delta.

Starting point is 01:31:49 Life was, you know, pretty harsh, pretty brutal. And so your ticket out, one of them, and there weren't a lot of options, was to become, you know, like a Delta blues play. and play in the juke joints. And you have all the attention of the lovely ladies and all the whiskey you could drink for free. You know, it was escapism. And so that's what Robert Johnson wanted for himself.

Starting point is 01:32:16 And he hung around some pretty credible musicians. One was named Sun House. And eventually they kind of chased Robert Johnson away because, you know, he tried to learn to play but he was to be to be kind, he was mediocre at best. He disappears for a year. And a year later, and Sunhouse and his band are in a parking lot at a juke joint, taking a smoke break in between sets, and all of a sudden he hear this incredible music,

Starting point is 01:32:48 this incredible guitar work, and they rush back into the bar, and up there on stage, with his back turned to the audience, playing, the Delta Blues, like nobody else, was Robert Johnson. And it was really Sun House who came up with this idea that he must have made a deal with the devil. Now, the thing is, Robert Johnson was very coy. He never said, no, it's not true. He kind of encouraged that.

Starting point is 01:33:15 And it was reflected in his songs, you know, Hellhounds on my trail and the crossroads. And then he would admit that, you know, he rehearsed, he practiced endlessly at night in cemeteries. And so then it was sort of inferred, I guess, to fill in the legend that maybe the devil himself was his teacher, was teaching him to play in the cemetery. Now, the idea of a crossroads is very old.

Starting point is 01:33:45 It goes back probably further than medieval Europe. It may go back all the way to ancient Greece and Africa. There was all, many cultures, there's a story of the cursed crossroads. In fact, during the witch-trial, in Europe, when a witch was executed, drowned, or burnt, they would often bury the remains at a crossroads because it was considered unhallowed ground. You couldn't put them in a cemetery. So, according to the legend, on a moonless night in Clarksdale, Mississippi, at the intersection

Starting point is 01:34:14 of, I believe, it's Highway 61 and 40-something, there's a marker there to this day. You can go to Clarksdale, Mississippi. You can see the spot. And he shows up on a moonless night. He turns his back to old scratch, as they called the devil in the deep south back then. Old scratch, you turn your back to him and you hand your guitar over your left shoulder, and the devil does a particular tuning and hands it back, and you've consummated the deal. And again, he shows up a year later, and he's this brilliant guitarist, and Sunhouse cannot believe it.

Starting point is 01:34:54 It just says it's not possible. It's not possible. So how did this happen? Well, shortly after, you know, achieving considerable fame, and I think he recorded several dozen records, he makes kind of a rookie mistake in a bar one night. He accepts a drink from an open bottle of whiskey from a stranger. Now, you have to understand, Robert Johnson was enjoying the ladies,

Starting point is 01:35:23 and there were a lot of jealous husbands and bartenders, and boyfriends out there. The next day, Robert Johnson is on his knees in utter agony, howling, you know, like a hellhound for like a day and a half, and he finally dies. It's believed he died from either strict nine or arsenic poisoning, probably placed in that bottle of whiskey from a jealous husband. Or was that old scratch, you know, using that individual to collect his death?

Starting point is 01:35:56 So that's the legend. How much of that is true? I can't answer that. I mean, again, I think we all make, they call that the Faustian bargain. I think we all make Faustian bargains. Or we're at least tempted. Do we sign a contract in our own blood? I don't necessarily think it's that overt. But, you know, people have to make up their own mind as to what happened to Robert Johnson. How did he turn from a mediocre at best guitar player? a year later he's just like a genius a musical genius and he's considered like the you know the grandfather of rock and roll the great grandfather of rock and roll and his music has been covered by eric clapton and led zeppelin and the almond brothers and so forth and they all have stories to tell about uh you know that song the crossroads and uh strange things that have happened to them and i've i've talked about robert johnson and the crossroads on a number of programs and always something happens. I was just down in Washington, D.C.

Starting point is 01:36:58 I was on OANN, One American News Network, with John Hines. And I got to the Robert Johnson story, and one of the studio lights just went poof like that. It broke, it went out. So they had to take 10 minutes and replace it. Another time I was on coast-to-coast a.m., talking about the crossroads and Robert Johnson. And I was doing the show remotely from the Toronto affiliate,

Starting point is 01:37:21 and all of a sudden the Internet went down in L.A. where the show emanates from, the broadcast studio, and I was knocked off the air for an hour. It happened another time while I was recording a podcast on my, I was using Adobe Edition. I recorded an interview with Matt Swain, an author, and the wave files looked good, finished the interview, hung up the phone,

Starting point is 01:37:41 went back to listen to it, and it was just all gobbledy gook. It was just useless. I couldn't use it. I had to re-record the interview. That's crazy. God help us on this episode. John, are you better secure

Starting point is 01:37:53 this shit. You got the backup ready. So who is this? I don't know if I know about R. Gary Patterson? Yeah. Who is that? Argarie Patterson, I dedicate the book to Argarie. He was my partner. Oh, that's your buddy. Yeah, that's right. Collaborator and friend. And we were about to launch this, originally this idea that became a book, started out as an idea for a terrestrial radio show called The Spirit of Rock. We were about to launch the show. He called me on a Friday, May 16th, 2017, to tell me the meeting that we had lined up with the general managers

Starting point is 01:38:28 the following Monday had to be rescheduled because he had forgotten that that was Memorial Day. And so again, it's a Friday night, May 16th, it's pitch black out. I remember distinctly looking out the windows. And this is spring. I mean, it gets dark here up in Toronto, you know, maybe 8 o'clock, 8.30. But it was dark. I was, maybe it was nine o'clock, 10 o'clock, anyway, he said some strange things during that phone call. Like, you're a really cool dad.

Starting point is 01:38:59 And I just thought, wow, you know, that's strange. But Gary was affable. He never had a crossword to say to anybody. But at the end of the phone call, I said, you know, so it's Memorial Day weekend, are you going to have a barbecue? Because that's what I think of, when I think of Memorial Day in the U.S., I think of parades and family barbecues. And for the first time in the years, I knew him maybe a decade or more. he was he seemed really curt and crossed with me and he said no there'll be no barbecue and i thought oh geez did i just step in a family dispute or a landmine what's going on so i just left it there

Starting point is 01:39:32 call ends the next day i discover he dies uh i thought that's impossible you know i just talked to him last night anyway i i fly down to um to oliver springs tennessee for the funeral there's gary decked out in a stainless steel blue coffin with his fender guitar in a stand in front of him, his brother Mike, older brother Mike, standing there in the receiving line, went up, introduced myself. And I didn't want to tell him about the phone call I had that night, the last, you know, the night before he died. I said, Mike, what time did Gary pass? And he said, oh, it was about 5 o'clock. And I'm thinking, that doesn't compute. Five o'clock on the Friday. I talked to him. It was dark. And I didn't want to divulge. I just thought it was weird,

Starting point is 01:40:19 not the place or time to say, I got a call from your brother after he died. So then I asked him, I said, well, the last time I spoke to him, I said, I asked him whether he was having a Memorial Day barbecue. And I said, Gary got kind of cross with me, and he just said, there will be no barbecue. And as soon as I said that, Mike looked confused. He said, he said, he said, there'll be no barbecue.

Starting point is 01:40:41 I said, what's that all about? And he said, that's odd. He said, the day Gary died, he spent all afternoon looking for a barbecue, he finally found when he spent $500 and he spent the rest of the afternoon up until he died, putting that thing together on his backyard,

Starting point is 01:40:57 his back patio, rather. So he died before the barbecue. And his last words to me, there will be no barbecue. I'm conflicted by that every day and it's been over nine years now. I don't know what to make of it. It doesn't square with my faith.

Starting point is 01:41:15 You know, we don't believe in communication from the dead. I don't know what happened. The thing is, I checked my phone just to verify that I spoke to someone on that Friday that Gary had called me. There was no incoming or outgoing calls on the Friday.

Starting point is 01:41:31 What? Damn. Nobody called me. But my wife witnessed it. She saw me wandering around the phone, or the house with the phone to my ear. And when I found out Gary died on the Saturday morning,

Starting point is 01:41:42 I rushed upstairs to her bedroom, and without me saying a word, she saw I had this ashen look on my face. What's wrong? She said, I said, Gary died. And she said, without me prompting her, you were just talking to him last night. And I said, I thought so. I said, I thought so, but I just checked my phone. Nobody called me on Friday. I didn't call anybody on Friday. But on the Wednesday, before the Friday, there was a call from Gary. I remember distinctly. We talked about the upcoming meeting that was going to happen in Knoxville. I remember exactly where I was. I was picking my boys up

Starting point is 01:42:15 from Greek school. I was parked on Bayview Avenue at the All Saints, Greek Orthodox Church, waiting for them to come out of Greek school. Gary called me. There was a log on my phone for that phone call, but nobody called me on Friday, and I called no one.

Starting point is 01:42:31 And yet, to the, listen, I could be misremembering everything. I freely admit that. I have no answers for what happened. But to the best of my ability and the best of my memory, that is the way it played out. and I have no explanation for it. Wow.

Starting point is 01:42:49 Now, in your notes, are you saying he went down to a crossroad? Yes. So we'll back up a few years. And Gary told me this story that, and he loved to talk about the Robert Johnson story, and he knew all about it. And one day he's having dinner with some of his fraternity brothers and their girlfriends and wives.

Starting point is 01:43:11 And one of them, knowing that Gary's an encyclopedia in terms of the Delta blues and the crossroad story, says, Gary, let's all jump in our cars and go down to the crossroads and make a pilgrimage. And so they do. And of course, who's either in different cars and they go down there and they find a cemetery in close proximity to the crossroads. Sorry to cut you up. Is there a specific crossroad that everyone knows is the crossroad? Yeah, there's a marker there.

Starting point is 01:43:42 It's the intersection of, I think it's highway. 61 and route 40 something or other you can go there and there's an actual marker um they're saying this is the cross where roads where according to legend robert johnson you know made the deal and so forth i mean it's it's it's legendary right um so gary went goes down there and they find the cemetery and they're imagining this is where robert johnson was practicing at night with the devil and learning how to play and all of a sudden he looks over to his right or to his left, and one of the girlfriends of his fraternity brothers

Starting point is 01:44:17 has this big stick, and she's whacking at this big black snake that is sitting on top of a tombstone in the cemetery, and he goes over there, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you doing? Now, this is like he said, I think he said, it was late autumn, and typically you don't see snakes, you know, out, you know, in the summer they're out sunning themselves. But here was this big black snake

Starting point is 01:44:38 coiled around this tombstone, and she's whacking it with a stick, and he's, you know, he's saying, hey, remember the snake in the Garden of Eden and so forth? Not a good idea, not a good idea. Whoa. Anyway, in the meantime, they're snapping pictures in the cemetery at the crossroads.

Starting point is 01:44:52 They get home, none of the pictures turn out. What? But the other thing is, they decided to, one of the fraternity brothers has an idea that they're going to collect a memento of this, and they scoop up, and the crossroads are now paved, but, you know, I guess on the shoulder or whatever, they scoop up some dirt.

Starting point is 01:45:10 And they each, they have a little, baggies with them and they each take some dirt home from the crossroads. And in the, you know, in the jumble of getting in and out of different cars, Gary gets separated from his bag of dirt. He gets home. He doesn't have his bag of dirt. But he's, but he gets home and the phone starts ringing. And one of the girlfriends of his fraternity brothers says, you know, I don't know what her boyfriend's name was. Let's call him Joe. He says, Joe just had an aneurysm. We've taken him to hospital. It turns out he recovered, he was fine. Then he gets another call from a girlfriend and she's in hospital and she just had a heart attack, but she's recovering and she's going to be fine. Then he gets a call from another

Starting point is 01:45:54 one of the ladies, fraternity brother's girlfriend or wives and her house security alarm is going crazy. So at this point, Gary decides to play a little psychology and he says, you know what? Take the bag of dirt, get it out of the house and dump it into the river. which he does and everything settles down and so forth. Oh my God. So all of these things are happening. Eventually, Gary has a birthday. One of the fraternity brothers brings his bag of dirt as a present.

Starting point is 01:46:22 He's put it in a nice little glass tube with a little brass plaque or something on it, saying, you know, the crossroads and the date. And Gary kept that on his desk right next to a crucifix that he had that was apparently blessed by the Pope. So I guess he figured one would cancel out the other. but yeah a lot of weird things happening with the crossroads that is insane dude i'm telling you don't dance with that shit don't even joke about it there's like a whole like i guess i'll show you how they have it i like set up over there so richard we're going to end up here i but i got to tell you something so i've i'm blessed my daughter she's six and one of the things we like to do together

Starting point is 01:47:08 is go watch movies. And I've been taken her into some movies. And I took her to Minions versus Monsters. And I've always loved to Despickel me. It's really funny and it's good for adults and kids. So we go see this movie. And they're running all these trailers for movies coming up because the Minions versus Monsters are supposed to be big.

Starting point is 01:47:35 So they're packing as many of these movie trailers. as they can. And you're seeing over and over and over and over again, like animations for kids. And particular ones that I think are geared towards little girls, almost every one of them is about witchcraft. Yeah. Like this is programming very early.

Starting point is 01:47:59 Getting little girls to think it's kind of cool to look into witchcraft. It's always about a girl who it doesn't fit in, isn't one of the norms, which is what everyone feels about. You see that a lot in girls. I was in one of the cool chicks or the hot girls or the popular girls. I'm an outsider, and they all discover witchcraft, and then suddenly they have superpowers and can take on the world. Indespicable me or the minions, and I'm sorry if you haven't seen yet.

Starting point is 01:48:33 I'm not going to give away the plot, but I am going to talk about a moment in the movie. No. this one creature brings out basically the book of the dead. Wow. The Egyptian book of the dead. And does sorcery to conjure other monsters. It's so baked into children's entertainment that's really crazy to me. Yeah, the entire culture is Luciferian.

Starting point is 01:49:03 It's all Luciferian and Molochian. It's all that. It's like I've been saying this forever. What we're experiencing right now, it's like sometimes I feel like how lucky are we? Like all these things that conspiracy theories and religious people have been talking about forever is happening even if it's not good. But it's like it's happening in front of our eyes. And, you know, the old gods want to come out and play.

Starting point is 01:49:30 They're tired of sitting in the back. They want to be worship. And they want sacrifice. and we're seeing it happen right here. And every kid's movie is about a girl who does witchcraft now. Yeah, it's all bail worship, essentially, if you want to get right back to it. You know, the ancient gods of the Canaanites, it's bail worship in different, you know, different costumes, I suppose. But, and the whole new age movement, really.

Starting point is 01:50:00 And the big thing now is, you know, this manifestation, you know, you know, you, you, you can create your own reality. You know, there's just, there's no, God has been totally expunged from the public square. I mean, that's been going on since that early 1960s when they first got rid of prayer in public schools. Yeah, there's just the hostility towards the church.

Starting point is 01:50:29 For example, up here in Canada, we've had well over 100, 100 churches had been burned to the ground by left-wing terrorists. And the government doesn't even matter. And it's all Christianity, too. It's really weird to me, not to get too weird and too off. And then I got one more thing I want to bring up to you is how many these atheists are also Zionist? It's very weird to me.

Starting point is 01:50:53 It's very weird that the people that don't believe in God also simultaneously believe God promised them certain people land. It's very weird to me. it's very satanic to me as well. And you're totally right. So the last thing I want to bring up to you, how old are your kids? There'll be 20, actually, in a couple of months. But, yeah, we took them to all the despicable me movies,

Starting point is 01:51:16 and that was one of my great pleasures, too, taking my boys to the movies. So your kids might be too old for this, but there's a series called Captain Underpants. Oh, yes, I remember the, we had the books. Oh, it's an old series. I read the books. It's old series.

Starting point is 01:51:31 In the movie that I watched. these two troublesome kids, these troublemakers and kids, are about to be expelled. Do you know what they do, man? They MK. Ultra, their principal. It's literally MK. Ultra. They stick a ring in front of his teacher's face. On the ring is, they've hijacked the symbol for the universe, and we all look at it as a pedophile symbol. But they take that symbol on the ring, put it into the principal's face, and they mK.

Starting point is 01:52:02 alter him and then he becomes this like this other person who runs around town in his underwear thinking he's a super a superhero and he causes great chaos throughout that's mk ultra yeah yeah and then he has no memory of it yeah he goes about his daily life as the school principal or whatever yeah classic classic just straight up programming dude it's crazy and then they tell us about what they're doing in the culture you know and because i guess there's some sort of packed part of the ritual is you've got to you've got to sign your masterpiece right you've got to tell people what you're doing and that maybe they feel that absolves them well we told you we told you exactly what we're doing to you yeah so

Starting point is 01:52:49 we're off scoff free yep i agree dude and it's like this thing with and the one to hear but the reason i think we haven't put major boots on the ground in iran is that the sorcerers can can't get us to give them permission. Like any other time in history, this war would have been full on already. You know, yes, we have little, they can do little things here and there, but major movements, which is like what 9-11 is without traumatize us, like you say, and then we give them permission because we're so traumatized. And all you hear these Zionists keep another 9-11 is going to happen.

Starting point is 01:53:29 It's like, why is it only the Zionists saying this? I don't see any other group of people talking about another 9-11 happen. I think they've overplayed the hand. If it happens, everyone's going to agree who did it. And you're not going to convince anyone it was Iran. It just doesn't make any sense. But the reason Trump can't get boots on the ground is because King Solomon and these rules that he made with these demons is that one, they have to tell us what they're doing. And two, they need our permission.

Starting point is 01:54:00 It's the famous scene from All Lost Boys, when the head vampire, I can't, you got, okay, are you invite me in? You got to invite me in. And then that's a very ancient ritual. It's, you know, when you cross the threshold in your house, it's called the Threshold Covenant. And that goes back. That predates Judaism and Christianity. Okay, okay. That's where they would put blood. It would put blood on the, on the threshold. Yeah, it's ancient. Hey Richard, I'm going to be honest with you. One of my favorite episodes ever, dude. You're a wonderful, wonderful interview. You can tell you've been doing it for a long time, and you're a pro at it. So one more time, tell them where they can find your book and anything else you want to promote. Tales from the Rock and Roll Twilight Zone came out July 9th. It's available online just about everywhere, Indigo, Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Books a Million. You can get more information at the rock and roll twilight zone.com.

Starting point is 01:54:57 there are some very wonderful endorsements from people like J.J. French from Twisted Sister and Mark Farner from Grand Funk Railroad and Steve Lukather from Toto and Ringo's All-Star Band. There's a couple of sample chapters there at the Rock and Roll Twilight Zone.com. You can also order it from the website. My podcast, Strange Planet, drops Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Strangeplanet.ca is the website. Strangeplanet.com. Strange Planet on Instagram, TikTok. my YouTube channel at Strange Planet Radio. That's everything, I think. I love you.

Starting point is 01:55:33 Open door to come on anytime. Good luck with everything. Good luck with the book. I can't wait to read. I'm finishing this book. This will be the next book I read. And we appreciate you coming on, man. Anytime, Sam.

Starting point is 01:55:44 I'm going to be in L.A. the end of the month. Maybe we'll get together. I would love to grab lunch, buddy. Anytime, dude. All right, guys. Let's break down the episode. All right, guys.

Starting point is 01:55:52 What did you guys think? Richard Serrett. Man, that, I mean, I learned so much. shit in that episode. I can listen to him talk forever. He's great. I can listen to him talk forever. You know?

Starting point is 01:56:06 And you could tell he had I imagine that book is fascinating because he could tell he could have gone deeper and deeper. We just ran out of time because that guy's great. Yeah. It's a fascinating topic too. Because there's just as many

Starting point is 01:56:22 rock and roll stars as there are. There are stories like that. Yeah. Isn't it crazy? How many of these famous people die like really early. And the ones who don't die just have to tour and do everything forever. It's dark, man. It's like, what's a worst fate? Just being cut, have to be on the road at 90. Like our own is strong.

Starting point is 01:56:48 Or we taking out of direction home. You're like, that seems like hell too. Or be taken out at 40? Yeah. I mean, 40. You don't want 40. That sucks. Dylan even calls it his never-ending tour,

Starting point is 01:57:00 is what it's called, because it never stops. Yeah. I mean, your whole audience is going to die before you get done fucking tour. He's on tour with Willie Nelson, you know,

Starting point is 01:57:13 the outlaw country tour. What's this called? 200 years? I went to see him last year, and Willie was sick. So Bob Dylan had a cover for Willie Nelson. I imagine that's something that happens a lot when you have two 90-year-old guys.

Starting point is 01:57:28 Yeah, just out touring. Did you watch a movie, the Dillon movie? No. It's not bad. It wasn't bad. Not great, but not bad. But it's crazy. All that shit.

Starting point is 01:57:40 Did you know anything about Jimmy Hendrix like that or Elvis? Like, we just bought he OD'd. The thing about him looking like he was drowned was, and then that guy being intelligent. That was, that's fascinating. I wonder, the thing about the Beals is always, I wonder what, because he kind of explained it in the way that really got through to me, because I always thought like what,

Starting point is 01:58:10 because the Beatles' message mostly was benign to positive. You know, it's like love and anti-war. But when he says the medium, it's more about the medium. That resonates, you know. It's not necessarily the message that they were. But it's also this thing, Johnny, where they capture you in your fandom. Yeah, that's what I mean. And then they introduce you weird shit.

Starting point is 01:58:37 And then you guys can be like, what the fuck is? Then your anxiety kind of gets high. And then you get stuck, go, oh, what's that about? Oh, what's that darkness about? And it was definitely, you know, when he goes, we're bigger than Jesus. That's definitely some demonic shit. Well, it's funny, though, because he comes out and apologized for that. He was like, I didn't mean, I just meant like we're really popular.

Starting point is 01:58:57 You know, is what he came out to say after. Because he read the story, he claimed, that the church was declining in popularity, which it was around the time. And they were, of course, in their ascendancy. And I think by the numbers, it might have been true that more kids that were listening to the Beatles than their preacher. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I mean, it's like who put in the backwards messaging in? That's subliminal stuff where you would play it backwards. And I know you're going to say, oh, it doesn't sound like it.

Starting point is 01:59:25 Someone still kind of found it. Someone was like, let me play this backwards and see what I find. The people who found it, I would be more suspicious of then. Yes. And like the guy who just goes on a radio show and puts that out there. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, Johnny, does that kind of answer some questions for you about maybe it was just a sciop to sell? Absolutely.

Starting point is 01:59:45 A marketing tool? Yeah. Because I feel that way about the Paul's dead. Exactly what he said about the Paul's dead. Do you remember when Jamie Fox, everyone thought he was going to die? And then the weird looking Jamie Fox talked. just when he has a movie about cloning coming out. It's creepy, isn't it?

Starting point is 02:00:01 Right? But they're not above that shit. They kind of learned, well, obviously, the Beatles were way before that, but, you know, there was a time when TMZ was taken down these giant stars. They took down Tom Cruise. They took down Angelina Jolie and Hollywood freaked out.

Starting point is 02:00:21 So they bought up TMZ. And then TMZ just started doing stories on empty Cali. celebrity celebrities and they would just destroy these reality stars who didn't care because they just wanted to see their name out there. And then it just became this train wreck kind of way of promotion, right? And then because the Chelsea Handler show was on the E channel where all these reality stars were, all the comedians started seeing that. And that's when all the comics started getting in trouble for dumb shit they said.

Starting point is 02:00:56 that wasn't even that bad. And then after that, which was just used for promotion, right? Like when Leslie Jones, they announced that she is on Ghostbusters, that's when the video of her joke she used to do, which I had a similar joke to about first round draft pick moms. We both had that joke. And then they said that was insensitive to slavery and stuff. It was just a promotional thing.

Starting point is 02:01:26 and then Saturday Night Live uses that as a way to promote for the longest time. They were using that as a way to promote the upcoming season. Shane Gillis was that, right? Yeah, Shane Gillis said the K word when it comes to Jews. It's the only word I won't say because they don't say it. But they used that as promotion for the new season. And then everyone tunes in for the new season because of all the Shane Gillis stuff. They did it with my friend, another friend of mine that was on Saturday Night Live.

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Starting point is 02:06:29 Anything else? Nope, hit that light by and go buy t-shirts, please. All right, so it was a great episode, learned a lot. And Richard's one of the best of the biz, dude. Yeah. I mean, you can tell that guy's been doing radio for a long time. He's like a pro, dude. Dude, how crazy was that him getting that phone call from his...

Starting point is 02:06:46 Dude, that was so creepy. dude. Can you imagine, bro? And it's not even in the missed calls or the completed calls. I mean, that's... His wife saw him have the call. That's crazy. And it doesn't even show up on the phone. That reminds me of that. Remember that when that subway, that train crash and people kept getting phone calls and they thought those people were alive inside and they were like, he keeps calling me and they would tell the firemen, and they were like, someone's got, it was just a missed call or whatever it was. Yeah, in Japan, they see people from that train crash all the time. Oh, really? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:07:18 Where? Like just walking around? Yeah, they see ghosts from a crash, a train wreck. It's in Japan. We've shown the video on Doom scrolling. Check out Doom scrolling. It's about to go parabolic. We're doing the weirdest shit.

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Starting point is 02:08:26 that one got some numbers I go up what was that one what was that one about they got 45 oh shit oh Sam attack on stage yeah we got you attack on stage yeah it's drama people love drama yeah unbelievable too

Starting point is 02:08:41 why can't it just be a good person anyways enjoy the highlights here's a clip from the latest I wish this wasn't at the end of the debate because it's such a good moment that I wish more people had seen it, although I think probably they will in clips and stuff. But anyway, this is Andrew. It's a bad, bad moment for him. Yeah, I'm fine with those things if you want to do closing. Well, I also would just, if I may ask a question, which one of the charges against or all of them do you think Tyler Robinson is guilty of? the specific charge? Yeah. Bying time.

Starting point is 02:09:23 Bying time. That Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk. Yeah, but of the seven charges that he's being charged. Yeah, can we list him real quick? I'll tell you exactly which ones. We'll pull them up.

Starting point is 02:09:35 Well, do you know any of the charges these up for it right now? Yeah, of course. But I want to make sure that we have them listed. Yeah, but like, can you name one? Because my general perspective is that you don't actually care about this case. You're not following a case. that's the that's the question

Starting point is 02:09:49 like if you're going to engage and you're going to say the evidence is overwhelming that Tyler Robinson is guilty I just think that you should All right Can you tell me one charge? You can really, hang out this is a great got to ask me

Starting point is 02:10:03 He's right there He's in the hot seat So please just answer the question This is fair. Name all seven since you've been following the case Stop. How disingenuous is that? He can't name one so she's got to name all seven

Starting point is 02:10:14 Yeah and he knows He knows that that's his only way out if somehow he can get her on the same thing. Yeah, and then it becomes she doesn't know all seven when he doesn't know one. Yeah, exactly. And it's a technique that would work most of the time. But Candace is uniquely prepared in this debate. You name one. Yeah, you name all seven.

Starting point is 02:10:36 I'm happy to do that, but can you name one? I think he's been charged with murder. That's actually incorrect. Okay, great. Now name all seven. He doesn't even, this is like. Name all seven. And I think I can't.

Starting point is 02:10:47 Then do it. The first charge is aggravated murder because that's what carries a death sentence. So murder. No, that's not. That is literally not murder. Okay. The second charge is the felony discharge of a weapon. The next two charges are for obstruction of justice.

Starting point is 02:11:04 Okay. The next two charges are for witness tampering. And the final-specific charges, though. That is them. Obstruction of justice. Obstruction of justice. Witness tampering, witness tampering. Okay.

Starting point is 02:11:14 And there's no other specific. to him. Well, I can tell you why he's being charged. No, no, no, just the charges and then seven? Yeah, see, the bad thing is when you try to be an A-hole and it doesn't work. What's the seventh? The last charge is violence in front of a minor. Okay, got it. I think your team would like to pull up the seven charges that he just asked you about. If you guys want to pull that up, just to confirm aggravated murder, felony discharge of a firearm, obstruction of drug, obstruction of the obstruction of justice, which is counts three and four, five and six, tampering with a witness. And count seven, violent offense in the presence of a minor.

Starting point is 02:11:47 I did notice something. I just was curious about if I'm just wondering, when you pulled out your phone just before you asked that question, does anybody text you that question? You can check my phone. I'm just curious. No, you can absolutely not. I have not had one communication with a single person, not even my producers who are in there this whole time we were here.

Starting point is 02:12:05 You want to check my phone? Take it. Let's see. See if anyone was texted at all during. this debate. You have a whole permission to go through my phone. I don't need to cheat. The last one has nothing to do with it. It's just a compliment. I haven't even read my tech messages. That's a compliment. He's reading them. You're okay. You'll give me permission. I'm just going to read three. I'm just going to read three

Starting point is 02:12:23 11, 11, 11. 132, because after that I don't need to read it. Any other texts? Could have been telegram. Could have been something like. All I have a signal. You can check that too. I only have signal. I don't need to like, I deeply care about this case. I don't need to pretend to know stuff but I don't know. I just, you know, I have, my other question is about the steakhouse receipt. Yeah, I mean, the steakhouse receipt could be problematic. It's possible, for sure. Yeah, if you don't know, she claims to have a receipt from a steakhouse that puts Tyler Robinson at a distance from where it makes sense that he could have been. She claims to have talked directly with the steakhouse. Yeah. And they said,

Starting point is 02:13:07 that his card was run there and she's she's putting that in her timeline she's she can you could tell she kind of walked back from it a little bit she's like it's in my because Andrew kept saying that you're putting that in the official timeline and she's like well I'm putting it in my timeline until I hear otherwise uh he kept trying to nail her on that you do you think it is your gut tell you that maybe that's fake I think it's possible yeah why why do you think it I don't know it just seems too convenient to me. Yeah. It just seems too convenient.

Starting point is 02:13:45 That's it. Yeah, I mean, like, everything is energy. And I'm not saying it's not real, but I go, if something could be problematic, that could be it. Intuition. And it's also like, if you're trying to either lead Candace or Candice trying to lead people to a certain belief system, and then later on it's going to come out

Starting point is 02:14:07 none of it's true that's a great that's a great bit to use to do that so I think it could be problematic if this trial goes in a way that makes convinces most people like even in our circle that he did it is this

Starting point is 02:14:25 like Candace's brand is toast right in that small hypothetical you know that sliver of possible realities she's always there's still people listen to Dan Bonjjj Gino and he's just full of shit. But she's stake to this.

Starting point is 02:14:40 This and I thought she was just as stake to Brigitte Macron. But if either of those go bad, her brand is like if she loses in court again, if Brigitte Macron takes her labia out in public. She should. Like Tim Dillon said, show the puss. I totally agree. Just show the bus, bro. So here's the Nick Flint testing I wanted to share.

Starting point is 02:15:04 I'm really curious what you think about his opinion here. If you'd like to hear the rest of this episode, subscribe to Broken Simulation in your podcasting app or check us out at YouTube.com slash Sam Tripoli. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. Dude, you just blew my mind. Timfoil hack.

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