Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #1031: The Sinister Reason Demonic Entities Target Children With Tony Merkel

Episode Date: October 17, 2026

On the latest episode of Tin Foil Hat, we welcome back Tony Merkel of The Confessionals to discuss his new book, Exposing Warring Kingdoms, terrifying Dogman encounters, the 3 Heavens, spiritual warfare, and demonic oppression. From mysterious attacks surrounding Dark Shift to chilling encounters involving his own family, we ask one terrifying question: Why are dark entities so obsessed with attacking children? Please check out Tony Merkel's new book" The Confessionals Exposing Warring Kingdoms: https://bit.ly/4hS7MdF Please support our sponsors: Mudflap:  Mudflap is the ONLY card built to help you keep more of what you earn, with real savings, and no hidden costs snuck back in somewhere else.  So ask yourself again: Who is your fuel savings card really working for? With Mudflap, that answer's easy. Keep more of every dollar you earn, because Mudflap has your back. Sign up at Muddy dot com slash tinfoil and get $100 in free fuel credit after approval. That's M-U-D-D-Y dot com slash tinfoil for $100 in free fuel credit. Join the WolfPack at Wise Wolf Gold and Silver and start hedging your financial position by investing in precious metals now! Go to https://www.samtripoli.gold/ and use the promo code "TinFoil" and we thank Tony for supporting our show. Grab Tickets To Sam Tripoli's Live Shows At SamTripoli.com: Dallsa, Tx: Nov 7th (TrutherCon) Austin, TX: Dec 11th-13th Witcha, KS: Dec 18th-19th   Check out Tony Merkel's Internet: Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheConfessionalsPodcast Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theconfessionalspodcast/ X: https://x.com/TConfessionals Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheConfessionalsPodcast     Please check out Sam Tripoli's internet: Linktree: https://linktr.ee/samtripoli Sam Tripoli's Stand Up Youtube Page: https://www.youtube.com/@SamTripoliComedy Sam Tripoli's Comedy Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/samtripolicomedy Sam Tripoli's Podcast Clip Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/samtripolispodcastclips/   Sam Tripoli's 5th Comedy Special drops Sept 1st on Gas Digital's Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@GaSDigitalNetwork Check out Word War Debate 2: https://bit.ly/4xRDe0S Please check out Sam Tripoli's 6th Crowd Work Special "Women Can't Peg" Live From Batavia: https://bit.ly/3TZBzHT Please subscribe to the new Tin Foil Hat youtube channel:  https://www.youtube.com/@TinFoilHatYoutube Grab your copy of the 2nd issue of the Chaos Twins now and join the Army Of Chaos: https://bit.ly/4gIg1ID Check out Sam "DoomScrollin with Sam Tripoli and Midnight Mike" Every Tuesday At 4pm pst on Youtube, X Twitter, Rumble and Rokfin!  

I think as a Christian, and as, you know, the American church as a whole needs to really wake up to that reality that people are not ignorant to the understanding that they are supernatural creations to hide your head in the sand and pretend that people aren't seeking literally new religions in things like, you know, disclosure. It would be foolish for people like me to pretend that's not happening. So how do we understand these things? And for me, it's like, well, I think things are coming down to an end. and I just feel like people are experiencing these things because there's no need to hide it anymore and we're seeing a lot of that now. What's the fuck are you guys who are talking about? Global controls will have to be imposed and a world governing body will be created to enforce them. Welcome to tin foil half. We go deep, home boy.

Eric, open your mic. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. This is only the beginning. Dude, you just blew my mind. Are you ready to get your mind blown? All right, guys.

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Very excited. He is the last of the Mount Rushmore people to come on. Well, Alex hasn't come on. That's a whole different story. But we're very excited. He hasn't been on since he made the Hall of Fame of

Tim Foll Hat. We're proud to have him on. The man, the myth of legend. Tony Merkel, how are you, buddy? man I'm glad to be back making it a return thanks for inviting me I've been waiting for an invite you finally did after the people requested it I see how it is dude you can come on all the time you never have to worry about us not wanting you on we always love you a month man open door buddy if you find a new cryptid that you've never heard of seen before come right back on yeah I tell you what man I have it I have the last time we talked since last time we talked I've experienced something that I can literally say um was supernaturally out of this I don't know what happened, but I got to give you credit, man.

I got to give you credit. You're over here in East Tennessee church building, believe it or not. Sam Tripley building churches. Yeah. I was a friend of mine at church, like, I'd say like three months ago now, he was riding his Harley, and somebody pulled out in front of him, and he hit him, and he flew up. Oh, no. I mean, dude, he got busted up bad, but he's in rehab, and he's doing what.

well, and he's now at church walking around, kind of. And I was talking to him because the other day, some people at church will, like, say that the one guy that drums at church, he invited me out to the church to start attending. And then from there, other people started coming because I invited them. And people were like, you know, Josh invited Tony and all these other people come. And I was like, I said to Brandon, this guy said, man, actually, it's you because you listen to my show, which connects me with your friend, Josh, who invited me to church.

So really your response for it. And he goes, well, if you want to play that game, he goes, actually, it's Sam Tripley because I heard about you on Sam Tripley's show. So because I was on your show years ago, he heard about me and then I started going to this church and now the church is growing because you know, all that good stuff. So you are welcome, buddy. You are welcome. We are powerful. Our reach is wide. Tony, before we get into it because I'm excited to hear what you got to talk about. Tell us, for those who may live under rock and not know who you are, can you tell us a little bit about yourself where our listeners can find you.

Yeah, man, I'm Tony Merkel. I host the Confessionals podcast, and I started that going on. It's January's going to be 10 years ago. And I just started talking to people about their experiences, you know, with very strange phenomena and the show evolved over the years. I feel like I picked up, you know, answers along the way that kind of shaped and molded the show. And now, you know, the show, I would call it more of a, I, I,

I define it more like a supernatural type show where we really talk about a lot of the same stuff, but just kind of through us different lens these days because some of my own personal experiences I've had from this show, but also the people that come on the show share me with me their experiences and you start, you know, doing the math. You're like, hmm, some of this stuff isn't what I thought it was years ago. Ooh, I'm excited to hear about that. Yeah. I'm very excited. So my question to you before we get into it, is that, you know, as a conspiracy theorist, and it's very funny because we basically started our podcast around the same time. I think December 13th or 16th, I got to look it up is the 10-year anniversary of Tim Foll Hat. And then you start yours in January, so our journey

has been similar. Your show is great. We feature your clips all the time on doom scrolling. They really pop and they're just, you got a great show. Um, so one thing I want to ask you as like as, as somebody in the conspiracy game for a very long time, conspiracies have become so mainstream. And everyone's talking about it now. Is it, is it do you, and I, I see that with the paranormal. I would say that's the umbrella we would talk about like what you talk about. Do you like that it's so mainstream now?

Or is it like, well, now everybody's in on the game and now I got to, I got to find these. weird little corners of paranormal to kind of stick out still like what's your thoughts on all that yeah i'm okay with it um i used to kind of get caught up and trying to find the next thing um but i i kind of got to the point where you know seeing how people nowadays i mean it's so weird to even say like when i first started you know my fourth episode was about nephalum and that was not something that was talked a whole lot about oh yeah that's everywhere i talked about that and the comedy show last night they wanted me to get into it i'm like ah this is a wrong show for the no tell i i was talking about how nephlems look like clowns and that's why everyone's afraid of clowns yeah and then i

met a porn star that was afraid of clowns on a show where i brought a clown on it was very weird worlds colliding yeah world's colliding but yeah i mean i i just um now i look at this stuff and i welcome everybody at the table uh and for me you know i guess for me personally i kind of got fatigued with you know, just the idea of trying to find the next secret sauce of stuff. And the red pill fatigue might be a real thing. And I had to just kind of like unplug from that side of it and just take things for what it is and try to explain to people as much as I can when I asked how I view the stuff. But it's interesting because I, at one point in time, you know, 10 years ago, I was I was way more focused on, you know, the experiential side of things where I was just like, you know, tell me the

story, the experience and all that stuff. And now I've gotten at a point where, I mean, I don't have that curiosity that I once had because I've received so much information over the years. And now I'm just like, you know, well, what's my next stage in life on this thing? And I think it's more so sharing with people how I view things and the dots that I've connected along the way. And hopefully it brings them into a deeper understanding of what's actually going on around here. you can only talk to so many people before, unless you're a complete idiot, like you, you start connecting dots and you start, for your own personal perspective, you're like, man, I've heard this one too many times now and I got to start reconsidering on how I operate with certain topics.

And that's kind of how I got to, you know, where even with, you know, the monster hunting stuff, like I used to go out and do the documentaries. And I'm not saying I'm never going to do them because actually there's one that I really feel compelled to possibly pursue. But I started really considering, you know, what are we dealing with when we go out there and what am I, what's my part in this whole equation we can get into at any point? But yeah, I mean, I guess long story short, we're on that with things is there's there's a whole lot of more people at the table. And because of that, I feel like my role has changed. And we, like, if you, if you and I are at the table and we have this information,

you're really much more heavily involved in like the conspiratorial side of stuff. But if you, if you've done this for 10 years and you feel like you've picked up knowledge and information and understanding, are you going to sit the table with people that are new to the table and just say, oh, yeah, let's talk about it. Let's rant and rape about this. Or are we going to start, you know, sharing with the newbies, you know, our conclusions to help bring them along the way to the included things. That's a great. That's a great point. So my question to you is, you know, there's this saying in the conspiracy world that things aren't getting worse or just getting more obvious.

Can you apply that to paranormal? Are there more paranormal experiences or is it just because everyone's, I've always said this, like, if you don't believe something, it's like impossible for you to see it. Yeah. But as more and more people come to the revelation that maybe there's something going on, is it just becoming. more obvious to people, or do you think that's just being cranked up right now? I think it's both. I think that, one, people are more aware, and I think that's just information sharing. 20-20 did a number on people, you know? We were, what, three years into our podcasting with these shows, and we got to live through it, you know? And we saw a lot of people waking up to

certain realities, and it started the domino effect in people's lives. And they're like, well, if this is true, what else is true? And all of a sudden, we went from, you know, the COVID chaos of, you know, vaccines and all the nonsense that happened with that to people talking about Nephilim and UAPs. And I do think that 2020 probably had some kind of role in propelling the next stage of the whole disclosure idea of things. There's more people out there hungry for, you know, what is the reality or the truth of the reality we live in. And that's, all through information, but I also think that there is a spiritual side of this as well that's vamping up. From my perspective, I think that things are vamping up because time is drawing near

and I really do. I mean, I've said many times in your show, I'm a Christian and I view things a very specific way and I do feel like things are winding down here on the timeline. And when you, when you're in an athletic event, you're playing a sport, they say it's basketball. I mean, the last five minutes is the most important five minutes of the game. when it's close and everybody's full core press everybody's pulling all the tricks out and I think that's what we're starting to see is there's a lot of more manifestations supernaturally because there's nothing to hide anymore there's no need to hide anymore time's drawing near and it's just time to put all the cards on the table and I'm seeing a lot of that and some of the

tactics of what's happening there's a there's a whole other move now of people from 10 years ago it's like there's a ton of people seeking for a deeper spiritual existence and I'm seeing a lot of people going in different directions for spiritual existences and I think as a Christian and as you know the American Church as a whole needs to really wake up to that reality that people are not ignorant to the understanding that they are supernatural creations and to hide your head in the sand and pretend that people aren't seeking literally new religions in things like you know disclosure and aliens I mean that's that's developing into its own religion yeah

It would be foolish for people like me to pretend that's not happening. So how do we understand these things? And for me, it's like, well, I think things are coming down to an end. And I just feel like people are experiencing these things because there's no need to hide it anymore. And we're seeing a lot of that now. And the whole aliens or demons, I never thought I would hear that from anybody from like Tucker and then. But aliens or demons is like seriously, I believe it's a thing. But I never thought I hear that in the mainstream.

and then now it makes you think about aliens, angels, and like, is God real? And it just gets, it got spiritual real fast. It did. It did. It really did get spiritual fast. And, you know, I see that stuff. You know, I remember when the whole thing came out about Tucker having the demonic attack where he had scratches or cuts on him. And him saying that that kind of let him down this road of where he's at now, wherever he's at, I don't know.

But I think that stuff really does propel people. whether we like it or not, people like Tucker Carlson is a trusted voice to the masses. And when they come out and say they have these experiences, it really gets people that maybe don't think about the stuff a whole lot to think about it. And he really, I mean, when it comes to disclosure, was there anybody in the mainstream media that did more than him on reporting on it? And I would say his eight o'clock slot on Fox really propelled disclosure to a level

that the government probably couldn't even reel back from if they wanted to, but I'm not so sure that maybe that wasn't part of the plan anyway. Yeah, I mean, that seems to be the weird, like how much of this is real, how much is this is fake. One thing I want to get into, because I know you had some stuff you wanted to talk about. There seems to be this, I don't know where reptilians come into your show, how much you talk about that stuff. But we talked about this on doom scrolling the other day,

how there's this, now this thing where everyone's going, are these people in this administration human beings, or are they wearing, you know, human skins and meat suits? And there's all these weird videos, right? And so I remember about, I'd say, a year, two years ago, there was this whole thing going on about this, this disorder where it made you see reptilians in people. It was very specific.

They would say democ, but they would always show you reptilians. And I kind of wonder if that was the setup to right now, like a kind of, oh, dude, if you start seeing reptilians, you're just, you know, you just have this disorder and you're just crazy people, which is total gaslighting. What are your thoughts on all that? Yeah, man, I remember when that came out and I was, I didn't know what to make of it, but I did feel like this is right on time because it was scheduled. And I was like, I don't know what this is about, but the fact that they're coming out and talking about this as an actual thing for the first time in, you know, history as far as I'm aware of, demon face syndrome. Yeah, it's the one, yeah.

I don't know how to pronounce that. always reptilian, right? It's never like, oh, this guy's, uh, uh, devil Nicholson, right? Like in the joker after. Yeah, like, yeah, it's all reptilian face. Yeah, or, or if you want, you know, reptilian, alien combination, like, it, it definitely has this demonic look to it. Elf, maybe if, you know, if you see the one guy on the side profile, at what year? Yeah. It's just, there's definitely this distortion. And I do think that that, it, most likely, I mean, I haven't looked into it on a scientific level, but it probably was something that has been around for a long time,

but why are they push it now? And I think is to prepare people's psychology, understanding their mental state to accept and understand what they're about to see. And it's all done through conditioning, you know, Hollywood's huge for that. I came, we could talk about this too, if you wanted to, I feel like I was subject to that

on a global level when the whole past, pastor's UFO meeting dropped. Like, like I legit had the answers as to what happened there because I organized the second one. And what? You didn't know that? No, did you guys know that?

What? Actually, it's just shocked right now. A feature what? A meeting? You didn't know that? No, I didn't know that. Oh, man. All right.

Well, before we got any further, I have a new book out. the confession. Yeah, of course. Promote anything you want. My publisher told me I need to be more prompt with how I... Prompt, dude, prompt. A lot of stuff we talk about is, you know, within the book and stuff. It's me documenting my journey through the supernatural corny plug. But actually, I do mention this pastor's meeting in the book because at the time I was writing the book, I was heading to the pastor's meeting. And so I wrote about it in the book. But yeah, I mean, I guess I'll just say, and you can ask any questions you want, but the reason why I brought it up

was because of this demon-faced syndrome and how they put things out to us to condition us for what's coming. And I don't think it's an accident that me and my friends go like literally globally viral about this, you know, secret meeting in Tennessee

with the supposed government the week that the first drop happens of the UFO files. Like, it's not an accident to me because we had been talking on our own platforms casually about the meeting for months. It happened in February this year. Both of them did. I think both of them did. I was at the first one and the second one. Apparently there were others, but I was at one, and I invited my pastor friends, and they weren't able to make it. In the following week, we were all in Nashville

at a Christian media conference, and so I organized another one, and we met at my Airbnb. It wasn't the government's Airbnb. It was my Airbnb. And I had pastor friends that were just friends of mine that I felt like should just be aware of the details of what seems to be coming down the road when it comes to disclosure and the spiritual component of it so that when people within their churches have questions, they're prepared to answer them in the sense. I think they were prepared to answer questions, but like prepared for like, hey, there's a wave coming here. And if you're not ready for it kind of thing. And I'm the weird podcaster friend of the group that, you know, like none of them, like they're all pastors. And somehow they became friends with me. And it just,

that was something we talked about on all our platforms at times. And nothing really came of it until the week leading up to the drop. And all of a sudden, everybody in the world was talking about it. And for about two weeks, I pretty much shut down. Like, I was stressed at my mind. And like, you know, I guess I've learned that I'm not the normal content creator. Like when I started this stuff years ago, I've never really looked to create something that went super viral. And over the years, I've just kind of created my own little world that I live in here where people, they know what they're getting when they show up to come to me. And I don't really think about going viral. I don't really think about it.

I hate making content, to be honest with. I like having conversations with people. I don't make my social media stuff because I don't like doing it. and then this story drops, and it's just blown way out of proportion. And what's crazy is that people, people that knew how to get a hold of me that were part of, like, major Christian media outlets of different types, they knew how to get a hold of me. Some of them I was talking to early in the year. Some of them I was talking to because I knew I was going to be doing this, and I was seeing

if they were going to be in the area because I was going to invite them. But as soon as they saw drops, not one of them ever reached out to me to ask for, my perspective on it or anything. Because I talk openly. Like when this happened that week, we went live for our live show and I broke everything down timeline. I have things happened to set the record straight. Nobody ever reached out to me. The only people who reached out to me was, I think it was like daily, was a mail or something like that? And New York Times. And I talked to them and I thought for sure New York Times was going to give me a hit piece. Nope. They treated me great. They treated me fair, which I didn't expect. But all these conservative outlets like the

Blaze. They knew how to get a hold of me. They didn't, they didn't care to get a hold of me. They cared to give out getting other content creators on that weren't part of it to give their opinion on it. And to me, that just, that, one, it felt shady, but two, it just made me feel like, man, there was an agenda here. And I feel like things were lined up for this to happen. And I was just a victim of it. And so, yeah, the pastor's meeting wasn't as juicy, is what everybody wanted to make it sound like. And nobody seemed to want to know the truth. Like, and listen, like I said, I went on my platform. I said what I had to say. And listen, If anybody has something to say, it's me because I organize the second one.

And that wasn't good enough for some people. They refused to acknowledge that I even did an hour and a half breakdown of what happened. They just wanted to run with their narrative. And what I learned was that it really doesn't matter what I say moving forward. I really came to an intimate understanding that whatever people hear the first time that they believe, that's what they run with forever. They will never change their mind. It doesn't matter what you say. Cyop.

you're this, you're that, you're the other. I mean, you hear it. I know you guys hear it, I hear it too. People accuse me of, like, crazy stuff that, like, you know, I'm a government podcast. And, like, are you, like... It's so ridiculous, too. You have not been around, my friend. You have not been around.

Like, watch the, like, look at the history. Like, I was a truck driver for half of this podcast doing both. I was talking to you guys on Instagram live when I was in my truck. You know, like... Yeah. It's this whole thing where people can completely create a narrative based on watching a video.

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I think it plays a role, but I think what's going on is, well, I don't know what's going on. Let me just say that. I don't know what's going on. But I think we're subject to a lot of operations throughout the last 70-plus years, and it's like a lot of this stuff is coming to a head,

and it's pieces of this, pieces of that, getting put together. And there was a, There was a lot of documents that were released over the last, I'd say 10 years of me doing the podcast, that even before. And this guy actually goes into the UFO disclosure side of things. There's been these documents that have been released. I'm drawing a blank as to examples, but I know we've talked about it on my live show. Because I have my guys, we do a live show every Thursday.

And Derek is very much a researcher. So he brings a lot of different types of research. And it's becoming a parent that in these UFO drops that they're doing, they're releasing, you know, declassified files. And then when you look into these declassified files, like, there's a good portion of them that have been declassified for 25 years or more. And it's just old information being recycled. And it's like you would say, well, why are they doing that?

Here's why they're doing it because there's a whole new world of waking up to this, stuff and it's a new audience for old information. Yes. They're being present they're presenting it as. That's my whole thing with Q as well. It's like people can say whatever they want about Q. I understand it's operation. Operation trust.

I get that. But what and a lot of people in the conspiracy community will be like, it's just regurgitated information. And I'm like, yeah, but it was packaged in a way that woke up a lot of people. And you could say whatever you want about it and you can. But a lot of it has turned out to be true. And again, Operation Trust is where the powers that be will tell you what's going on because they're trying to capture the conspiracy theorists who will be the troublemakers. So, you know, you give them what they want to hear. Then you tell them Patriots in control and you

try to pacify them. That's the whole purpose of that. My question to you is this. Based on your meetings, based on that, what is the concern when it comes to aliens, UFOs, extraterrestrials, whatever it may be, and religion? So I don't think that there needs to be a concern, depending on how it's being packaged. But there's, so I describe the idea of disclosure. I call it like the table disclosure. And there are different parties racing to that table.

Everybody wants to see. And if certain people, certain information get to see at that table, everybody has their own agenda. Shoot, I mean, you could say I have my own agenda because I have my own perspectives on how this stuff operates and what it is. But if certain people get to that table of disclosure, and that starts formulating a narrative because that's the thing that, I guess what I'm trying to say

is that, like, disclosure is not the release of information that is known by the government and they're allowing us to know what they know. Disclosure is release of information and the collective consciousness is starting to define and mold what disclosure actually is what these things are. They're releasing information with no context and allowing us to consume this to then define it.

And with them doing that, if certain people wind up having a loud voice with the defining side of it, for me personally, I'm more concerned for people within the Christian sphere of things that are new to the faith that gets swept away with this, what I would say it would be a deception,

and there's a lot of radical things that are being done that if it becomes accepted on a mass scale, we're talking about like mass conjurings of people doing things that are, what I would say, very spiritually dangerous. When people are going and calling in these things from the sky, to me, it's like, that is, that is, we are, we are dabbling in very dangerous. dangerous territory. And there are people that maybe are new to the Christian faith or maybe struggling with what they believe in, but they're there. And I'm worried about those kind of people getting kind of swept away with a very new, what I would say earlier, the religion side

of it. I don't know if that answers your question. It's, to me, it's a very... But is there, is there a part that, and he kind of did, is there a concern that, that, that maybe it will cause mass hysteria in the fact that they will lose faith in God and this premise that we've all been running off. I'm going to say a construct, not in the sense that it's not real, but it's how it's been presented, that they will lose faith in that. and that chaos will break out because then there's there's no reason to follow these rules and follow the rules of God because people will believe that that story isn't real and that

you know we're we're a rock and we're you know as as uh bill hicks called us viruses and shoes you know like is that is that somewhat of the concern um probably for some people uh What you're describing, I imagine there's people that are very concerned about the institution of the Christian church. Why is it just a Christian church? Let me ask you that. Why doesn't this affect Islam or Judea? I can't speak for those religions. I'm not Islamic. I imagine their theology would have issues with what gets put out there as well. And I'm not concerned about the Christian faith. I'm concerned about. Christians who might waver in their faith in Christ. I don't care about the institution of a church or a religion. I care about the individual who actually has a faith in Christ that might be on the

weaker side and they move off of Christ. I'm worried about the individual, their ultimate destination, their soul. I don't care about the church. I care much more about the people that are within the Christian faith who I subscribe to and what happens to them if they're given this information by daddy government and the global elites of this in my from my perspective nonsense and they're already teetering and they just kind of fall away that's for me that's mine now I'm sure there's a lot of people out there maybe even pastors because I'm not a pastor that are concerned about their church itself, like the institution. But for me, it's not about that. It's, it's about the individual people who, who need Jesus Christ as their savior. And I think that's for everybody, but the people

who are, are within the faith and, um, and teetering, but also people who aren't within the faith. Like, like, I'm concerned about them too, uh, never coming into the faith because of them finding new faith and religion and other entities. Does it make sense? Yeah, it does. It does. It really does. We recently had moving on to some of your things you want to talk about because I love it. We recently had the boys from Ninjas or Butterflies. I believe you've been on that show. Yeah, they're good dudes. Yeah, that seems like a good combination. You know, you two, you two shows. You've been on the show. What's that? You've been on the show.

Yeah, I love going on the show. There's just such nice people. You're like, oh, it's nice hang out with nice. people. I'm in a Vipers pit in L.A. and it's just nice to hang out with wholesome good people with good intentions. They're very nice people. I'm honored to call them a friend. You know, and they came on, they've told us some wild stories about Dogman, and like I'm very interested in Dogman. I don't know if you know my good friend, Ryan Burns. Have you ever heard of Ryan Burns? Yeah, good guy, close friend. He's the first one to turn me on to the theory of dog man so like what are you have you heard some new stories about that or what because i love that yeah well i know ryan in fact that i think ryan was the first episode i saw of yours and i

was like huh interesting because on that episode you're like we need to do more paranormal and like well you rang you rang um yeah with dog man it's been that's been an evolving thing uh a lot as well. Man, I've been to Ryan's property where he has had these... Oh, you have? Oh, yeah. I've spent time out there. And it's a wild story or wild property, I should say.

We did find trackways. We found trackways that seemed to transition from human to horse, believe it or not. And I couldn't really figure out. Like, I tried figuring, okay, so I have this human footprint, these trackways, and now it turns into horse so clearly the man like jumped up on the horse and that's why there's no human anymore um but there was no horse tracks where the man tracks were and so i'm just like i don't know what to do with this um and we found ritual circles out there and and the sky lit up the one night like tons of UFOs um lights coming off the mace it was wild but um with with dog man i've i've talked about a lot over the

years and I've covered it in many different vantage points and perspectives. The way I got to where I'm at today with Dogman, which I view it as a very supernatural creature entity that does transition between here and somewhere else. And there's layers to do that too because I think that there's reverse engineering of such things as well as when it comes to like UFOs, UAPs. I think there's reverse engineering of things that come from other places. Wow. Yeah. The way... Do you think these are creations, possibly? Well, I think that these, and their purest form are some kind of entity that comes here.

But I do think that there are, I think some people experience a dog man that didn't come from another realm, but actually a lab from somewhere, somewhere from a lab. That gets into some crazy stuff about, and this may not be your bag, but whatever. the idea of something coming from beyond the wall yeah that's very much my bag oh that is your bag okay i don't know if you're into the flatness you know oh no i thought meant like the veil like i barely can talk flat earth but like the the i've just meant like the walls and like the veil from the other realm no i'm down with that too but it is the ice wall that things have come over and then i just heard an interesting theory and i don't know if it was on this show maybe it was about that these are remerence from the past.

They're left over. And just not to mess with them and to leave you alone. But that's interesting to me that you said that they're basically created a lab. I find that very interesting. Well, yeah. So, I mean, one, from ancient past, there is historical document of ancient historians like Josephus, even to Napoleon describing coming across the land with dog-headed people. Yes.

And they were, and I forget what. Have you had the demon already, sir, on? No. Oh, you should. You guys would hit it off. Man, he's the best, dude. And he talks about Jesus would, and the pictures of Jesus with dog-headed people, and that there's a good chance that the canites were literally canine people.

it's a great great great topic David's mighty man he had a bodyguard and when they listed the resume of the bodyguard one of the things that the bodyguard had one of his accomplishments that qualified him to be the bodyguard of a guy who killed a giant as a teenager was that he killed two lion-headed men of moab

and and one of the other things on that resume was that he killed an Egyptian giant some versions of like some different translations of scripture will call it a very handsome Egyptian, and then others will say an Egyptian giant. And so it's like one or the other. That's such a, those alternatives are really fun. It's like he's incredibly good looking or he's eight feet tall. And a lion, dude, you left that part out. Yeah. So like, I mean, but like if you if you look at it, you know, when you're when you're looking at the idea of it, if you're a king David who killed a giant as a teenager, are you impressed to have a guy

who's in charge of like it's like who's going to be Shug Knight's bodyguard right it's got to be a guy who killed a Egyptian or a guy who killed a model you know I'll take the giant slayer

but yeah no so historically there is a precedent for this and even civilizations hiring these whatever these things were as mercenaries and so because they were really good

of killing but and I do think that when we can get into this at any point but I did have a guy on the show at some point that killed one of these things and what happened afterwards was interesting but what got me to this

I'll call it interdimensional dog man because I didn't know what else to call it and I had a guy on the show Hunter who's become a good friend of mine actually in two weeks and another episode with him is airing he he contacted me because he had a dream

and he's from middle Tennessee. He like leads worship at his church. It's like kind of like off his radar with this stuff. But he had a dream where he was, I guess, at a campsite or whatever out in the forest with his family. And he's not with his family. Like they're off in the distance. He sees them and he's here.

And this dream that he has is a very common description that a lot of people describe when it comes to these types of dreams, which is that it felt more real than this reality. It was so real. It felt more real than this, which I can't comprehend. I've never had the experience, but I hear it all the time. And it goes into a lot of other categories, which is, again, going back to what I said in the beginning, I started connecting dots and I'm like, I'm hearing too many of the similar things on things that aren't supposed to be associated. And so he has this dream, and the third party in this dream is this like upright standing dog. And it's there looking at his family,

looking at him, looking at his family, looking at him back and forth, and then it takes off towards his family. Now, he runs and gets in between this thing and his family. And he says, in the dream, it was just tearing me to pieces. It was just clawing at me, killing me, essentially. And then he wakes up, sitting up in his bed. And he's just like, man, that was, that was a really bad dream. I'm glad it was a dream. And I guess that morning he goes into the bathroom and his wife's in there. And she sees, all these cuts on his back. And he didn't know how he got them.

He had that terrible nightmare. And as somebody who was listening to somebody tells a story that they've experienced, like you're thinking, okay, so maybe he has a nightmare and he's scratching himself up and he's contorting and he's literally inflicting wounds on himself

because he's dreaming about this creature. And that's what he thought too. And so he just shrugs it off and he goes about his life. And about a month goes by, And he's in middle Tennessee with his son at the time. I think his son was 11 years old. And him and his son are out in the woods hiking.

And standing before him is this creature from his dreams here. And his mind starts racing because he knows where he saw this. And he doesn't understand why it's here when it was a dream. It was just a dream, right? And so he's there with his son. and they there's more details through that I don't remember I interviewed him a couple years ago but um they start backing out of the area and he said this thing kind of came with them but it didn't attack them it was like it was escorting them out of the area and um they left got home and he tells

his wife what he experienced and he contacts me to tell me he was looking for answers and I was like man this is a new one for me like I was like, I, I hear these stories of people encountering these things, you know, in the woods, it chases them, whatever. I hear people having, you know, visions or dreams of these things or maybe more invisible type experiences where they're here, they're awake, but it was invisible to them. Like, I had that experience. But for it to the very thing you thought you were just dreaming about manifest here, like, that's a new one. And it kind of made me really start wondering, okay, what are we dealing with? And then since then, I've talked to plenty of people who have had experiences where they're having these lucid dreams,

which I think lucid dreams are way more than just a figment of your imagination now, where they're going somewhere else. And when they're there, they're experiencing and encountering things. Also people in these other locations. And a common thing is, these canine creatures. They'll call them dog man. They'll call them hellhounds, but they don't just stay there. They manifest here. And this is a phenomenon that I did not expect to actually take control of the narrative on my platform. But, I mean, just yesterday, literally just yesterday, I had a woman in my studio. And we were talking about, what were we talking about? I don't remember. Like, she does deliverance ministry and different things like that, but she was severely demonically possessed at one

point, and she was an experiencer as well where she was abducted and she had these abductions as a child. But the idea of these red-eyed hellhound creatures came up in conversation just passively with her. And we didn't even really dive into it because it really wasn't much of her story, but it's a very common thing. And I, I don't know if I, I don't know if the last time was on your show. But at one point on your show, I talked about this, like, story of this guy who would go to another realm. Is that the book? Yeah. Yeah, that story. Have you been able to announce what the book is yet? No.

Sorry, man. But I finally, it took me three years, but I finally released that episode. And that's a whole other thing. So much time. You mentioned the name of the book in the episode? No. No. Damn. So what happens between the entity or that guy in the book? Yeah. Where was I going with that? I don't remember now.

What was I said? That this guy was found an entity in a different dimension or something like that? Oh, yeah. We were on the story of manifestation where a vision or dream comes real and you got it into something about the book. I released that episode, I think it was October 2nd, 2000. And when I really said episode, I started getting a whole wave of emails from people who had experiences similar. And I also started getting emails from people who had experiences. And they would say things like, but I think the one guy, Caleb, he said something like along lines of like, I think I'm like the guy you're describing in that episode, but I think I'm the like Christian version of that. I'm like, what the Christian version? And what are you talking about? And he's in Colorado. I brought him out to the studio. I was like, let's talk. And we sat down and talked. And he started sharing his experiences of going these other locations as well and what he was experiencing.

But through him and another guy, Jade, Jade is another one of these types of guys that feels like they didn't ask for it. It just started happening. And they feel like God's been pulling them to these locations. They both describe these canine creatures in this other area, this other realm, which I'm starting, I call it the second heaven. I don't know if it's actually true or not, but I'm starting to call it the second heaven. You're the first heaven, second heaven, third heaven. And I think the second heaven is a bloodbath war zone

where this stuff happens. What? Yeah. Tell me about this. About what, the second heaven? About the three, how many heavens are there? I mean, are we talking dimensions here? Is this another way of looking at dimensions?

Maybe I'm trying to, I still am trying to find the proper word, to even describe how I feel about it, to be honest with you. But in scripture, Paul talks about being taken up to the third heaven where the Lord is, where the father is. And so from that, I've gathered that theologians over centuries now have debated what are the first and second heavens then. And I think the common idea is that the first heaven is this plane of existence, earth and where we live, where we exist.

And the second heaven is the in-between stage between where God is and we are. And that second heaven, I think, is depicted actually in the book of Daniel chapter 10 because Daniel received a vision and started in prayer right away, fasting and praying for an answer to the vision. And it says that he fasted and prayed for three weeks. And after three weeks, an angel came to him and told him that the moment he started praying, that this angel was sent to answer Daniel, but he was held up for 21 days

because the spirit prince of Persia held this angel up, and the angel said, it wasn't until the Michael, the archangel, came to relieve me that I could come to you. And so I think the scene in Daniel chapter 10 is actually second heaven warfare. And I think there's a lot of stuff that happens there. A lot of things exist there,

and I think they pop in and out. I do think that a lot of the disclosure stuff we're going through and the stuff that they're describing the NHIs. I think it's stuff that's popping in from second heaven. Um, and I do think that these upright canine creatures are doing that as well. In fact, one of the guys described them as foot soldiers there. And the way he was describing it, it was like they're almost like lower tier. They carry out like foot soldier mission type stuff. Nothing. It's not like, I gather that it's not like they're the generals, but scripture talks about they're being layers to this. Like, like Jesus himself,

says the kingdom of God, the kingdom of God, the kingdom of God, he repeats himself about the kingdom of God a lot. It's documented in the book of Mark. And I think it's because there is a kingdom of darkness. And when you read the scriptures, you see that. And when you're talking about kingdoms, you're talking about structure. You're talking about there is not, it's not just Satan and demons. There are entities, low G, gods that have rebelled against the Elohim. And they are warring. and that's what we see laid out in scripture. A third of just the heavens, you know what? I don't even think in Revelation actually said,

I'd have to look it up, I don't even think it actually says angels. Because I feel like I had this conversation with somebody recently, and like it's commonly, like people just say angels, but it might have been more than just the angels. But a third of these, let's just say, principalities, these heavenly principalities, rebelled against God.

And this war persists to this day. and we as these moral bodies that have been separated from this supernatural side of our existence for the beginning of sin entering the equation have a hard time fathoming of what's going on there but we get these little little nuggets at times through people's testimonies and stories

and I'll tell you man like if you're okay keeping going with it I'll just keep talking yeah I mean I'm listening I got a quick question before you go Have you heard Sean Ryan's story about how he's like possessed now and he's got these priests coming at his house and all became was through DMT and now he thinks he went on a whole different dimension and that's why it's, I mean, I don't know if you've gone down there, but it's crazy and it's kind of reminding me of that in a weird way. Yeah. I think that we're able to tap into second heaven territory different ways. And I do think that the consumption of DMT and things like that is one way of opening up a portal, a door. doorway to it. And when you open that up, you may not be in complete, I don't believe you are,

but I'll just say casually, you may not be in complete control of what happens after that. And I have talked to a man, I always remember this, I don't remember everything we were talking about, but he was talking about leaving his body. And he said when he was trying to come back to his body, every time there's an entity there, wherever he had to go to get back to his body, there's an entity entity there preventing him from entering his body Oh man, a goalie dude

Yeah I said a soul goalie That sucks But so yeah Anyways So yeah so Yeah so I had a guy Come out to the studio's names

Joseph and Franco And he has a very unique story Because he was a charismatic pastor who left being a pastor at his church and just started attending a church that didn't logically line up his theology perspective. You know, Christian is Christian, but like theology wise, they weren't lining up, but he really felt God telling him he needed to be there. And so he goes to the leadership of the church, and he's like, here, this is who I am. I just really feel compelled to be here. So if you'll have me, I'd love to me and my family attend the church. And they accepted.

And he was just there attending the church. And over time, he built relationship with the families. other families had a nonverbal autistic child. And he somehow started working with this child and in this technique called spelling to communicate. And I don't know much about it, but he said it's a very slow process. It's not like it's a screen where they're just typing it out and, oh, okay, it's a very fast communication. It can be very slow. But in this longer process, working with this this child Cody and some of his friends who are nonverbal and a therapist that works with them. This thing happened where Cody was talking to his friend, let's just say the friend who was Matthew, and Matthew asked Cody, in the technique of spelling, will I see you at the hill tonight?

And Cody said, no, I won't be there, but I like how it makes me feel when I'm there because I'm free of the limitations of my body. And Joseph's like, what are we talking about here? and he starts asking questions. Well, the therapist that was there, I think her name was Marie, we'll just go with Marie, she was there, and they said, well, ask Marie, she was there. And he looks at Maria, and he's like, what are they talking about? Her face melts because she's like, she thought it was just a dream. But it was a dream that felt more real than here.

And she describes seeing all these children at a hill that Jesus was at. And he was meeting with these children and loving with them. And they were like in fellowship. They were playing, communicating. And these kids were coming back with messages of Jesus is coming soon. You need to be ready. People aren't ready for what's coming. And it's like, okay, so what is this?

And I can't break everything down scientifically. But from what I understand when it comes to autistic children, especially nonverbal autistic children, and I guess it's autism in general. The idea of chaos is not part of the equation. They don't like chaos. They like order structure from what I understand. Yes.

And the idea was presented to me that if that's true, it would be a very chaotic thing for all these children to be lying about this location they're going to called the hill where they're meeting Jesus. And it's not just these two boys. It's a whole host of non-referral. verbal autistic children. I don't think it's all of them, but it's a lot. And one of the things that they said there was one of the kids said, you know, they're describing it. And they said,

and sometimes people will wind up at the hill that don't belong there. And so like, I don't know how to frame that. But I do know that people are leaving their bodies. I know that people are going to other realms. I know that people from just through my show have made adamant claims that they are going to the second heaven. Is this hill part of the second heaven? Because I don't think that that second heaven is just a room. It's not a small location. So are there different pieces and sections of the second heaven that people experience when they appear there and when they go there? And could the agents of chaos and darkness be having human agents going there to carry out mission. Well, that goes to episode 692 Dark Shift, which is what you were talking to with that

book, that whole book thing, because the whole storyline with that was that there was a man who as a child was recruited by an entity to work for it. And when he accepted, it started his whole life of operating in what I now would call the second heaven working in the second heaven for these entities. And since I released that episode, there have been a lot of people who have emailed me with similar experiences, even leading up to that episode being released. There was a lot of people. I had shortly after I moved to Tennessee, I had a guy email me and he's like, I know

this is going to sound crazy, but he said, I feel like there was an entity that appeared to me in a dream outside of my parents' home that was recruiting me to work for when I was a kid. and I've talked to a very popular content creator who had a similar experience and so it's like and now those are things that happened before the show so like that's where I guess and I feel like I'm saying a lot of things

that's just like all over place and confusing but it's me trying to to put into to one podcast episode with you guys like a very complex thing where we have this like mixture of all these different categories and topics that for me have started coming to a head where it's like, I don't think all this is different.

I don't think that this is all just separate things. I don't think that dog, man, it's just some weird, upright walking dog in the woods that we can't figure out where it is, just like Bigfoot. I think these things are popping in and out from somewhere else. And I think they're doing it at will. And what you said, I think that humans are doing it too. I think people are doing it on their own will.

I think people are having supernatural experiences where maybe maybe God is pulling them there for certain reasons. And that kind of comes back full circles to this guy, Hunter, that I was telling you about, because the two guys I mentioned, Caleb and Jade, I brought Hunter out to the studio. All three of them came out to the studio like last month, and I did a whole thing called the Second Heaven Roundtable. And I don't know if anybody's ever done this before. I sat down guys who have had experiences and they expressed to me their experiences within

the Second Heaven, and I brought them to the same table to. hold a conversation about the second heaven their experiences. And I was actually surprised at how much there was of similarities where one guy was saying something. The other was like, yep, and they would like almost finish the sentence. Like, people are very supernatural. And, um, and that this makes the, the whole Christian, American Christian church uncomfortable for, to talk about because it's outside the realm of our understanding traditionally. But I think that we have been strongly divorced from the supernatural understanding for for I agree and it's way deeper way more complex I'm not saying I got it all figured out but I do have an open table for people to discuss

what they're experiencing and through that we've been connecting dots and dogman is just a piece of the puzzle there's so much to it it's it's wild it really is um I'll go on sorry no dude trust me if you were not doing well I would jump in. You're crushing it. There seems to be a big push into push this demonic stuff through mainstream media. I had a great conversation with a good friend of mine. He was telling me how many, I'm not going to say the occupation, but how many of these people he found out were Luciferians? And it seems like there's a, this big push. I said this a long time ago on JRE. And I believe it to be true today.

Are you ever heard that the, oh, can you hear me? Yeah, no, I was, I was making a joke. I was trying to be you. I was trying to make a joke and it bombs. It's all good, dude. Sorry. I'm trying not to sound stupid. So I got to pick my words correctly. But that the old gods want to come out and play, that these old gods from, you know, whether it's, you know, what is it? Johnny, what do I say is that they want to replace the Greater Israel Project with? Babylon, Babylonian. Like these Babylonian gods that have been quiet in the back, in the corners, in the dark,

seem that we want to come out and play. And Satanism seems like to be a big thing. You know, this might not resonate with you, but I was getting an argument on Twitter with somebody about how, you know, Satanus is worse than racist to me. You know, like I have racist uncles. They make me laugh. I don't agree with them, but they make me laugh.

But Satanus are worse. I mean, they do way more damage. What are your thoughts on the old gods and the, which I think are just fallen angels? What are your thoughts on all that? and I saw you want to talk about the Satan's house. I would love to hear about that. There's so much we could talk about, bro. I feel like I'm getting to know you again.

That's been so long. Yeah, man. I land on that side of things. The person that talked to you, you know, I don't know. It sounds like the way you're describing it, that, you know, what they're saying, they would have, you would have reason to believe

that they would be in a no. But through my own my own understandings and people that I've talked to, coming to very similar conclusions. And it does tie into disclosure for me. And that's, again, a reason why I feel so much about what could happen if certain things are said because of these old gods returning. And I think it's just, I think that's what's happening, the fallen angel side of things. I think fallen angels is one category. I think there's a lot more to it. Ball is referenced a lot in scripture.

And I don't think ball went anywhere. And there's a lot of other gods too. It's not, it doesn't say explicitly in scripture, but you connect dots when you start reading into the history of certain. areas. So the book of Exodus is written talking about the Israelites being taken out of slavery. They spent 40 years in the wilderness, which is a very supernatural thing because geographically and logistically, this shouldn't have been possible for them to be lost for 40 years, but they weren't. Yeah, imagine being lost for 40 years. Yeah, they were contained. Where are we? Yeah. Figure this out. Imagine your girlfriend or wife when you're lost for 40 years.

Hard to imagine it all, actually. My dad was right about you. Well, you just asked for directions. My God. Yeah, I think that that whole scene is very supernatural. Even the idea of crossing the Jordan River to leave, there are parts of the Jordan River when I understand that are not that deep and not that wide. But I think there is an understanding that if you cross this line, do not cross this line or else.

And so, but anyways, the, when they're in the wilderness and they rebel when Moses is up on Mount Sinai, they burn all their gold and they melted into a calf. I started looking into that scenario because I was curious. I was like, wonder what God this is, you know? And I started kind of piecing things together. This is probably about two years ago. and I have a friend, Rick Renner, who's like a Greek scholar,

and I was actually with him around the time that I was looking into this stuff. And I started thinking, I think that this ancient god, that they reverted back to worshiping, because I didn't even know if it was reverting back to worship. I do now. I think it was Hathor, because they were exposed to Egyptian gods and goddesses while they were slaves for 400 years.

And then they're in Mount Sinai, the Sinai Peninsula, and they actually were there before because as slaves, Egypt was mining turquoise. They would take their slaves to mine the turquoise in the Sinai Peninsula, and they would bring their priests with them. And there's a whole temple for Hathor in the Sinai Peninsula. It's still there today. It's in ruins, but it's there today. It's called El Shabit Khadim, I think it is. And it's a temple dedicated to Hathor.

So they're literally in the location that they traditionally would, would worship Hathor in, and they just revert back to worshipping Hathor. And now, like, with the modern time, these ancient gods, like Hathor, Ball, are returning. And they're making their appearances in culture, like UAP culture, and on different podcasts, like mine. I do believe that I had a run in with possibly a ball-like entity

What? Yeah, when I My life since the lead last talk has been a domino effect, man. Like I can't say one story without going into something else. And a lot of it, there's different things that really it pivots on. One of the pivots is this guy, Hunter. And I haven't even finished that side of it,

but we may never get there. It's okay. But then there's this episode 692, Dark Shift, the secret book, that whole story. In that story, one of the people who actually, there's multiple people, and one of the people who agreed to work for an entity was approached by Ball as a child and said yes. And I met with this person in person.

I met with them. They have Ball's sigil tattooed on their back shoulder. they were still having issues with Ball to this day. And when I released this episode, I didn't have any comprehension of what I was stepping into in the supernatural. I didn't have any idea of what kind of possible attacks could come my way until that week. So I had recently started. So I preach now, since last time we talk, I now preach.

And I had preached my first sermon at church. And that following Tuesday, I released this episode. And there's a connection there as well we won't get into. But I released that episode on that Tuesday. But the night before my brother, he was producing the episode. And he was at the studio because it was just him. At that time, he's the only one that worked for me. So he was, like, pretty much sleeping at the studio.

I'm a good big brother like that. I make sure he has no life. And he finished production. It was about 10, 10, 10, 30 at night. and he literally said he hit his mouse to export the moment he hit his his mouse to export uh his work email got an email that came in and um for for for perspective nobody else none of our other company emails got an email was just him and at the time he was very much lesser known and if somebody really wanted to get a hold of me they wouldn't be taking a crack at is this jack's email address

in the email it read very mixed and chaotic it was very hard to understand but on that episode we were releasing the subject that I thought the subject of the attention

was a specific entity that I had never heard of before this email mentioned that that entity by name and at the end of the email because I don't remember much of the chaotic verbiage that was in there other than it mentioned this entity. And at the end of it, it says, you followed the rabbit hole.

Now the rabbit releases. And I didn't know what that meant. And I was confused. And I spent that whole week reading that email many times trying to figure out what the heck does this mean. And at the same time, it seemed like as soon as we released that episode, all chaos broke loose in our camp. Like, oh, no. Insane how,

like, chaotic things got. Scheduled, like, scheduling, like, so crazy, like,

things that didn't normally went wrong, was just going wrong. Finances were, like, a miss. I was like, what is going on here?

Uh, my relationship with my brother, um, got really strained that week. I almost fired him. I almost sent him back to Pennsylvania. Um, I,

I like him and I really almost had a falling out. Um, and then the, the guest from that episode, him and I, like, I don't want to say we were arguing because it was more him yelling at me and I was just taking it.

Like I wasn't, Rope a dope a dope. I came under severe demonic oppression that week and I didn't realize it at a time. Um, but it came to a head on that Thursday. Um, he is just, The guest, we're on the phone. It's like 10.30 at night, 10, 10, 30 at night. I'm at my house.

Everything's falling apart that week. I didn't know what was going on. I'm severely depressed. And I'm sitting at the kitchen table with him on speakerphone. And he's just ripping me apart. And my wife is sitting there next to me. And she is hearing this and just like kind of going through it with me. And he hangs up the phone on me. And there was just this real heavy spirit of oppression. in my house on me. And when I get attacked like that spiritually, like everybody around me feels it too. They know it, they can tell.

And he hangs up on me within a couple minutes of him hanging up on me, maybe not even a couple minutes. We hear on the other side of the wall, my daughter's bedroom, and she's whimpering. And at the time, I think she was like three, maybe four. And I've told this story millions of times, man. It's never easy. So my wife goes in the room,

and I'm lost in my own space of despair. I just, I'm somewhere else, emotionally, mentally. And my daughter, she typically, when she would wake up in the middle of night, she'd wake up, like, kicking, screaming, yelling, just a little angry Puerto Rican girl. like she's just mad you know and um this this night she wakes up and and she's whimpering and i was out of character but i didn't notice it because i was in my own bag and lindsay goes in there and uh a few minutes goes by and she calls me in and she goes tony uh so i go in i'm like what's up and she goes um

jimma jimma man last time i told this story i didn't have a hard time this time i had a hard time um She said, Gemma saw something in the corner of her room. And, um, yeah, she said, all she knew, all she knew what Gemma told her was, uh, it was a tall shadow figure standing in her room, um, at, uh, at the doorway where we, where we went in. And, um, I, I took Gemma out of the room and she slept with us that night. And I, I understood at that moment. I was like, this is all connected. And I just did this story where I spent three years investigating,

and I'm fully convinced and believe that it's real, every piece of it, that I've been able to verify. And we're exposing very dark entities on this episode. And you do a show like this for all these years, and you get to a point where you're almost numb to it, and you feel like you don't really feel like these entities are going to, to pay you attention and that they're not going to pay you mind you're just the podcaster guy um you're telling somebody else's story and you don't expect to become part of that story that's crazy

and uh the next morning i i didn't want to talk to jemma too much about because i didn't want to scare i didn't want her to have to revisit it but um she said that uh she gave us gave me a little bit more detail. She said that it was standing in her room and and I don't know if this is exactly what she saw, but in her little girl way of describing things, she said that it stretched across the room like a straw and got in her face and it asked her, it said, uh, what's your name? And, um, and like, I'm telling this story because like, like, I'm, like, I'm, as I'm telling a story, I got to clarify to you and everybody else. Like, this doesn't, this isn't something that scares me.

And it's not something that I regret releasing in the episode. It's something that I'm very keenly aware of what the effect is on somebody's life when darkness zeroes in on them. I told you on the show before about that Satan's house. I've told you on a previous episode. So just real quickly, I wound up myself at a Satan's house before I was a podcaster, truck driving. I was very much an evangelist and I just shared with people. But the aftermath of that guy's house was a level of spiritual oppression on me that

I'd never experienced before, didn't know it was possible, and I didn't understand what I was going through. And it lasted years. And when I tell this part of my life's story, I take myself back to that man's house, what happened to me afterwards and this seemingly separation from God that I experienced where I no longer hurt him like I did before that day. And I felt like I was abandoned, not knowing that I was under extreme spiritual attack because he tried releasing demons on me three times that day. And when my daughter had that experience in her room and it asked for her name,

there's a level of authority that whatever that thing was tried to take over my daughter. And to this day, I don't know if she answered and said, Gemma, I do think that this enemy that I talk about a lot of my show is very legalistic. And I think there's a reason why I asked for her name. Just like in Mark, several times throughout Scripture, you see Jesus addressing demons and he'll ask them for their name. He'll say what is your name? And Mark, he said, that's a legion. That's when they said, we are legion for we are many. There's legal authority that's taking place there when Jesus is demanding the name.

And when this thing asked for my daughter's name, it emotionally, I believe my daughter is okay. Let me just say that. I think my daughter's okay. I'm her father. I'm her spiritual headship in her house. handled the situation. But it takes me back emotionally to what I experienced. And I put myself in my baby girl's shoes. And to think that, you know, she doesn't even get five years into her life before a challenge like that comes up on a spiritual. Like, I hear people on my show talk about how their attacks start when they're little

children, three years old. they remember these entities coming to them being abducted. And I look at my baby girl and I'm like, man, like, I'm really grateful that I am who I am in Christ so that I'm able to go and handle this the appropriate way. Because I think there's a whole, and my show is documented this. There's a whole host of people in this world who didn't have arms who will go to war spiritually for their children when their children are attacked. And that week was a very hard week for me. So yeah That's what I mean man

Like there's just a lot There's a lot that has happened in my life Leading up to the podcast And then as I podcasted And I'm like the last 10 years Like I publicly have documented my journey Into my understanding of the supernatural And I don't think I did it perfectly at times

And sometimes I stepped into stuff that I wasn't prepared for And I didn't understand what I was stepping into when I was releasing an episode with what I now believe to be very ancient gods that are returning and making themselves known in culture and society. And it's not just Ball. It's not just Hathor. There's a whole host of them. And I believe they are coming. And I believe they're going to start manifesting more and more. The mask is going to come off. And we're coming to a head here. and I'm very intimately emotionally attached to this entire thing to the point that I will not sit here and play games anymore with darkness. I'm not going to sit here and pontificate what this might be.

I'm not interested in thoughts and feelings. I've had my own, and I've had enough of my own experiences to know what I feel like I know, and I'm going to act accordingly. I think we're in a middle of a very long, old spiritual war. and it's manifesting here amongst man because we are the subject of that war and we have been for a very long time and I'm sorry I'm getting so serious about this no I love it dude that's fire I'm very sorry you had to go through that I really sucks and kids are very vulnerable and they know that that's why they go after the kids yeah can I ask something I think you touched you cannot yeah go for you I feel like you may be brushed on this earlier and this might be uh maybe i shouldn't bring this up but uh do it you you i've seen

families kids going to these with the with the blitzers to the coast to summon whatever those orbs are in the sky when you consider the risks of bringing something home like you just described or inviting something into your life is that worth it what do you think just on the the that they're communing with something that's not, you know, not what they think it is, not something holy? Is that something you would do? How do you feel about what they're up to down there? Because, I mean, we've had Chris on.

They seem like very nice people. What do you think of that? Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they're nice people. I've talked to Ryan sparingly years ago before I knew too much about their life and their story as a family. Never talk to Chris. I doubt he'll ever really want to talk to me. my perspective on things.

And I used to be more hostile towards people than I am today. I don't view people as the enemy as much as the entities that are controlling people and operating their emotions. I think people who go out to these locations, CE5 is Stephen Greer's another one. I think you think you know what you're doing and you're comfortable. and I think that this war that we're in, these entities that are operating around us with us being the subject of their attention,

understand where you're coming from. And they're okay giving you what you desire, especially if it pulls you away from Christ. I think that this is what it's all about. I think that the more man can be manipulated away and make that gap larger between them and their actual savior, mission accomplished. I don't think that they need the worship as much as they need you to not worship

a specific person. And so people are going to go out to these locations for pure curiosity, fantasy, interest, love of it, whatever it is, and they're going to have experiences, and they're going to come back and have very good, positive experiences. And I think it's all part of the manipulation tactic. And I would just say, for me, as from a procurricular, Christian perspective. Because there's so many people that pursue this stuff that aren't Christians, have zero desire to be Christians. Whatever, that's fine. From my perspective, I would, when I receive information, I would want to check it with what does it go against what scripture says. And if at any point, these things are pointing you in a direction that

scripture is not going, I would have very strong considerations to not. accept what they're telling me. I think it's a dangerous game. I do think that you're playing with fire. I've talked to enough people who have left the New Age belief that upon their exit, when they're starting to, especially when they leave to be Christian, their spirit guides specifically get violent, angry, nasty.

They don't necessarily go quiet. the first time I ever heard of honestly when I started the show I didn't even know what new age was I still I'm not an expert in it but like people talking about um their their spirit guides and stuff you know I was just curious and this one lady I don't remember her name but years ago she started talking about because I thought we were going to talk about I thought she was still new age um and she started talking about her experience becoming a Christian and what these entities did to her and her experiences with that and I started hearing more and more of that. Now, granted, there is also, and I try to be, I mean, I know I'm biased,

but like I try to be unbiased as possible. And, you know, me being such an outspoken Christian in these spaces, I know I'm going to just naturally attract people who agree and have as similar feelings as me. But I have heard a lot of that side of things. And so my, my curiosity with a lot of people who are doing these things. One, I think that they are inviting the stuff back to their home. And I think that these, whatever these things are in the, in the moment, because of how you brought it in on such a positive light note, I think that these things are traditionally going to want to keep it that way. Just don't veer off the course they want you on. Because if you do, I think that it's going to change. I think it will change. I've heard that a lot. I've never

experienced to myself. I've never done New Age, you know, but I look at this overall arching topic we're discussing very much like that. I think there's different religions that are rising up out of this. You know, a friend of mine, my manager Derek, he calls it an alien gospel. It's a new religion coming. And I think that new religion is going to have its own denominations just like Christianity does. You have these Calvinists, reformed theology. You have these charismatic, he's Pentecostals, he's Baptist, you have all these different denominations within the Christian space. And the only commonality sometimes is that who do you say Christ is kind of thing. And I think you're going to start seeing a lot of that with this new alien gospel, because I don't

think that the Greers, Stephen Greer and the Bledso's are probably going to agree on everything, but they do have way more in common than they would have with me for sure. I don't know if that answers your question, Johnny. It probably brings more questions in. But that's just kind of how I feel about it. I have, I don't have animosity towards them. Um, I think, I think that there, it's on a level of, from my perspective, dangerous for them and all the people who are following. Um, and I would just cautious people. I know people that are hearing this and stuff, they're going to be flipping their lid at me. They're going to be mad at me for sure. I understand that. Um, but this is my perspective. And, um, I just think that we, we, we, we like to be in control of things.

and we think that we're in control because these entities are allowing us to be in control. And as soon as we try to take control in a direction that they don't want us to go in, I think that's when they start showing their true faces, for sure. Hey, guys, real quick, I want to do my dates. Just go to samtribly.com. You'll see Dallas for Truthercont, Skankfest, New Orleans,

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I have seen this movement to, it seems like the world is hell-bent literally on destroying Christianity. And I don't want to get into subjects or things that you don't want to talk about. But we just have Ben Shapiro talking about Noah Hyde laws. And one of his idea, what's it called the worshipping of idol, um, ideotarchy? or something like that? I idolatry. Thank you. I am not smart.

Idolatry. And that is specifically very much about the worshiping of Jesus. It seems very purposeful to me that from almost every angle, there is this attack on this one person. And when I hear people say that he never existed or that he wasn't real, it seems absolutely bonkers to me that the world, and the elites all have this war on this belief system. And, you know, faith is the belief without evidence.

And, you know, evidence is, you know, physical evidence and stuff like that. I guess that's what that is. Proof. I would tell you that I lived a very crazy life in my 20s and 30s, absolutely insanity and that I survived it, very much into my vices. and I'm not perfect today. I work constantly to better myself. But I've been on that side.

And I've been on this side to my best of my abilities. And I'm constantly learning and changing and growing. I'm not perfect. And I will never, ever act like I am. I don't walk on water. I've never been able to walk on water. I'm a good swimmer, but I'm not, I don't walk on water. But I've been on that side and I've been on this side for this short amount of time doing the best I can to grow.

And being on this side has been a wonderful experience and it's been a much better way of living my life. It's very high vibrational to me. And that to me is a proof of what is right and real to me. What are your thoughts on all of that? And if you're comfortable on talking about that. I mean, I'm comfortable about talking. I mean, really, whatever you want to talk about as far as I can talk about it. You brought up something, and I don't know if this was the gist of your direction you were going with,

but the idea of Jesus and the authenticity of Jesus. Yes. And funny enough, I just preached a sermon about it. So I just started a YouTube channel, and I just called the Tony Merkel YouTube channel, and it's just where I'm archiving my sermons. from the very first time I ever preached was I was terrified to the last one I preached in August at my church

and I called it Jesus transcends and it's my attempt to I was talking more to my church congregation about evidence of Christ throughout history to strengthen their faith when it's weak

because as Christians we all have periods of our life where we doubt things you know like you hear you you hear about Jesus and you're like, man, do I actually believe this? You know, is this actually something that I believe? Or is this something I believe because I was told about it? And I just, it felt good. What's the, what's the basis of my, of my faith here in Jesus? That he actually even exists? And I walked through this sermon, the historical documentation, not all of it. I

couldn't do all of this. I just took pieces of ancient historians who mentioned Jesus. I And I use three different historians, one that was a Christian, one that was a pagan and one that was a Jew who, you know, a Jewish historian is not going to give a nod to Jesus being the Messiah. All three of them, though, talk about the supernatural works that Jesus did. And like even the pagan talked about Jesus. Yes, this man existed. That wasn't even debate in back in those days. Like it wasn't a debate that he existed. Now today, it's people like, oh, no, I don't think Jesus.

existed, that's just historically ignorant. Like, Jesus did exist. But these people who document as historians from different faiths and perspectives all gave a nod to there was a Jesus, there was this man and he performed great acts.

I would call them miracles. And then you have even like historical documentation through archaeology where there's tons of that. But one of the very common practices amongst these ancient people, these ancient like pagans, magicians, sorcerers,

was that they would have these incantations, they would have these spells that they would put together to conjure whatever they're trying to conjure. Word got out that there was power in this name of Jesus, and they would actually work it into their spells. And I talked about that in there, and there's even biblical precedent of that because in Acts chapter 8,

it's this whole story of Philip, who was an evangelist, who went to Samaria, who already had a man there, named Simon, who was a sorcerer. And scripture says that everybody followed Simon, and I don't have my Bible with me, or else I'd be able to tell you verbatim what they called him. But they basically looked at him and said that he was God. He was God in the flesh.

And so this was their God. And then Simon comes and starts sharing about Jesus, and all these people turn from, or Philip starts talking about Jesus, and all these people turned from Simon, the sorcerer. And there's this whole scene that unfolds where Simon is essentially following this new belief system to find out how to harness the power that is within that belief system. And then even in prophecy, which I feel like is even a very strong argument. When you look at how the Bible is even put together, you have 66 books that were all written within a 1,500 year span of time. So it's not like the authors got together and shared notes. and within that 1500 span period of time,

you have three different continents that they are written in, three different languages that they were written in, and 40-plus authors, and over 1,500-year period of time, all pointed to this Messiah Christ. And some of the things that are written in the book of Isaiah, which from the traditional Christian historical standpoint, we believe that we have manuscripts

that are pieces of Isaiah that are 700 BC. And you could say, you know, well, how do we know if that's accurate? Well, there's arguments to be made when in 1947 we discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls. And there was a lot of stuff in the Dead Sea Scrolls. A lot of people want to talk about the Book of Enoch that was in the Dead Sea Scrolls and other manuscripts that were perfectly preserved. And one of those manuscripts is known as the Great Isaiah Scroll. And when you translate the Great Isaiah Scroll that was found in 1947,

it dates back to 125 BC. So it's not as old as the 700 BC that we traditionally had thought that we had, which they still hold, but we have this great Isaiah scroll that dates back to 125 BC. So 125 years before Christ, all having these prophecies that are detail, prophesying about Jesus Christ to detail how he was going to die, what was going to happen throughout his life leading up to his death. and that is a whole complete work that has been accurately preserved, that we were able to match up with our scriptures of modern times, and it all goes together.

It's all there. And so when you look at those kind of things, I can't tell you, I walked into Israel one day, saw Jesus myself, shook his hand, and said, yep, I've been there, I saw him, we high-fived. But when you start stacking up historical evidence, prophetic evidence, archaeological evidence, And then you take that into scripture, and then you say, okay, so if all this stuff is lining up as far as that goes, then you go into actual like New Testament scripture and you take it for the man himself. What is he, who does he say he is? And what did he do? At some point, you know, that at least is laying a foundation for people to have a, some roots to their faith that maybe they wouldn't have had otherwise outside of just I believe, you know, because that's not good enough for many people. You know, well, I believe that Jesus,

is real. Well, I don't, you know? And then it's like, well, why do you believe? And so if you look into some of those things, it really can show you the historical documentation of Jesus Christ. Now, it's still a heart issue. I could, I could present so much information. We could do five episodes on the information of why Jesus is a real person, really existed, accurately in the scripture, all that stuff, right? It doesn't matter. It's a heart issue. And so I could present the most eloquent arguing, which I'm not doing now. It doesn't matter, though, because if a man does not want to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, they're not going to. That's just the way it is. And that's why I don't really feel a whole lot of pressure about getting the world saved.

Like, I'm an evangelist. That's who I am. It's my heart. I share Jesus with people, but I don't have pressure doing it because I'm not the one that saves people. My job is very, very simple. I have to be willing to open my mouth and talk about it. And then I got to trust that the Holy Spirit does his job and wooze the man to the heart of God. That's their deal. That's not, that has nothing to do with me. And it's a very supernatural, miraculous thing when somebody does come to Christ because there is so much going against that formula. Like I talked about the whole spiritual war side of things. This stuff is very deep and it's complex. And I do believe it's all geared to keep us away from our savior. And, um, and, you know, like I have my own experiences with the moment I came to Christ

was super natural. It was insane. Like, I hated people, bro. I was such a mean person. Like, just same, you've traveled the world. Um, you've been in Philly. Everybody understands, like, I mean, Philly, the brotherly love. Like, I was a traditional type of Philly dude. Like, I was just mean. I was just mean. And, um, I had a very radical, moment at a funeral in a church, man, that I walked out of that church literally changed, like miraculously changed to the point that my wife sat down in the car next to me and she didn't even understand what was going on. Like she leans against the door on the passenger side looking at me and she's like, are you all right? I'm like, yeah, I'm good. I just, I can't put into words

what just happened to me. It was, it was radical. And that's when I talk about this stuff, that's why I don't feel the pressure because I know and I really believe. believe it's such a supernatural thing when somebody gives their life to Jesus, that I don't, I don't need to persuade anybody. It's like, Charles Spurgeon said, I'm going to butcher this, but he said, defending the word of God is like trying to defend a line. Just let the line out of the cage. He'll defend himself. And that's how I view it. Like I just, I have a very specific job. And Jesus said, go make disciples of many nations. Go share, go, go love people and tell them about me. and that's just what I that's that's what I've dedicated my life to doing and um for the last like two years so

since we've last talked i've uh I've kind of vamped up a lot a lot since then but um you know when you're faced with darkness when you when you do what I do and you look you feel like you've looked darkness in the eyes and you know that darkness knows who you are um you can either cower in the moment and and just hope everything goes away or you can can man up, armor up, and join this fight. And that's what I decided to do. I was not going to let anything come into my house, come after my children without me doing something. What kind of man and father would I be if I knew this was happening and I wouldn't, and I didn't go to fight for my family. So we changed everything in my house. We changed everything in my house. Every day I pray

with my family. Before I put the family to bed, I pray with them. Divine protection. I ask the Lord, I don't think I have to do this, but every night I ask the Lord, to bring his heavenly angels, not only to my property, but in my house, protect my children, keep them safe, because I saw what happens when I don't do that. So I'm not going to, I'm not going to go, I'm not going to go down without fighting and swinging. That's how I view a lot of this stuff. And so, yeah, man, I feel like I'm supposed to be fun right now, but I feel like I'm not being fun. I get that all the time when I do podcast. It's some of the most interesting things I've ever heard my life.

You're doing great. I've always said this, dude. Like, we're listening. You know, that's the biggest compliment we can give is that we're listening. And it's been an absolutely great episode. You know, I mean, like, I just was enjoying what you were talking about. I wouldn't, don't overthink it, dude. It was an absolutely great episode.

I think everyone would agree. It was awesome. One more time. Tell them where they can find you, Tony. You can find me on the Mount Rushmore. Yeah, there we go. Mount Rushmore, dog. Bang, banging with the bangers, dude.

Yeah, just go to Tonymerkel.com. That's the landing spot for everything, really. The book, the YouTube channels, the podcast, everything's there. And like I said, I've been doing a lot more preaching now. In two weeks, October 23rd through the 25th, I'll be in Charlotte preaching at a conference at a church called Remnant Revival. It's the church. And it's going to be good. It's actually a free event. I think you just go to, I think you just go. So Remnant Revival Church, and the 23rd is my birthday. I'll be turning to 41. So, oh, you're just a baby, buddy. We're just baby puppies over here.

You're just baby, dude. Forties was my favorite decade. So it's, it's an amazing ride in your 40s. People always get scared of 40s. They think it's going to be your 50s. You know, it's not. It's a great decade. And you're already doing amazing things and you're just one year in, dude. So congratulations on that. Great show. I enjoyed it thoroughly. It was an amazing time.

And we look forward to open door. Come back anytime you want. It's always a pleasure to talk to you. And thanks for, thanks for tuning in, guys. And enjoy the highlights. Here's a clip from the latest broken sim. So where do you fall on the Fuentes,

versus Professor Yang, who's the real co-opted agent? Who, you know, who is the Fed? Is it Zhang or Flintz? Because Zhang now is accusing Nick Flintes, or suggesting at least, that he could be a Fed. This was him on with Sneco, by the way. Anybody's on with Sneco I got questions about? Yeah.

This is Professor Zhang now after doing a debate, a alleged debate with Nick Flintz a couple weeks ago. Do you think that the accusations of the, you know, that he's a Fed, are they true? I'm often surprised by how accurate my instincts are. But, but I mean, okay. So the interesting thing is that when I meet and debate these very influential streamers, like Hassan Piper and Nick Fuentes, you know, What really suppresses me is how they will dodge or divert from certain topics.

No matter how hard I try, I cannot get Hassan Piker to acknowledge the influence of about Ludwig. You mean like when they ask you about China, right? And she like, I love this guy, but it's like who's called the T-Kettle Black right now? Yeah. And he goes on to suggest that. Now, you've always said that you thought Nick Fuentes was. a Fed because of his involvement in J6 and him not being prosecuted. Now,

he's finally, this is the first time I've seen him really answer that question on a podcast. This was, uh, well, October 5th, this was sent out on the Brandon Straca show. Uh,

he gets that put to him. And he has an, I want to hear what your bullshit meter reads when you hear his response to that, his defense. I mean, he's had how many years now that have come up with this, but go on.

No, fair. Fair. Totally fair. I know that a lot of people have speculated that you should have been charged for January 6th. I'm only thinking of this because you were saying you were being called a Fed and I know that's part of it. I know you were called that in conjunction with that as well. As somebody who went through January 6th and did get charged and did get convicted, I did not think you should be charged for January 6th.

And it did not come as a surprise to me that you weren't charged for January 6th. January 6th was another one of those. Who is this guy? where like everyone felt like they deserved to weigh in. Thank you, Johnny. Who should have been charged and what was going on and what they did and whatever. And it's fine. I understand it's a loud public issue everyone's looking at.

But like people weren't actually doing the due diligence of like understanding why people were charged and what like the prerequisites were. Were you standing here? Were you standing there? As it turns out, I was in a restricted area. And if I hadn't been in that restricted area, I probably would have been charged with nothing because I really didn't do anything. That being said, I didn't know I was in a restricted area because the time I got there, they had already removed the barricades.

There were no police officers. I do want to say one more thing to you have no issue between us, but I did see something you did a while back where you were reading a government document of my behaviors on January 6th that led me to be charged. I want you to know, like, very little that was true. Very little. I did not encourage the crowd to take a shield from an officer. Absolutely did not, not even remotely true.

I also didn't shout go, go, go to encourage the crowd to go in the building. First of all, I wouldn't do that. Why would you make me watch this? Why would I watch? You don't seem like the time. No, I also didn't film myself doing it and uploaded on social. They did that intentionally over you. Thank you.

Yeah. No, and I appreciate you saying that. Yeah, I mean, well, and not only that. I mean, I testified to Congress under penalty of perjury that I'm not talking to law enforcement. You know, I mean, that's as good as it gets. It's like literally you go to jail. you lie, are you a Fed? No. But you're right. I mean, I try to explain it to my audience that people got charged for basically four things, which is trespassing, violence, being part of a militia,

and I think vandalism. And those, those were kind of like the big categories. Everybody that got charged was charged with one of those things. And I tried to show people on the map. I've been explaining. Or seditious conspiracy. Cidious conspiracy, right? Yeah. That one, too. Okay. And I think the only people that did that. It was an ambitious conspiracy. Seditious, yeah. What now?

Seditious conspiracy. I'm a retard. Go, like, we're going to go in. It's your capital. We're taking the capital. I mean, it's the same thing with the other guy that, like the day of. We're going into the capital. We're going in.

Yes, yeah. And then his name's taken off the list. Come on, dude. Okay, go on. Let's hear. Yeah, there's the militia. And then I want to. And the reason I don't agree with them, because there were people arrested who weren't even there

because they thought they were part of some plot. Right. Just right. Yeah, but it was ridiculous. But yes. Totally absurd. They were all absurd. And we know that.

Like the DOJ brought people in to throw the book at everybody. They literally said shock and awe. You know, we're going to go for the e-celebbs, punish them as much as possible. But, you know, so I try to explain this to my audience. It's like, what illicit behavior. people said, well, you incited. I said, didn't anybody get charged with inciting? I mean, we have a First Amendment in this country. People say, well, you were there. I said, I wasn't on the restricted grounds. If you look at the map. And here's the thing. So I actually explained this on the phone to Anya

Parampal. She wrote the article at Gray Zone, and she called me in advance of it. I knew was coming because Michelle Malkin tipped me off that it was on its way. And I talked to her, and I said, do you even know where I was that day. And she goes, but no, I don't know what you mean. I said, so you know, you're going to write this article calling me a Fed. You don't even know where the restricted grounds are, where I was standing. I said, I will send you a picture. I will circle where I was. I'll circle the grounds. And you could see I wasn't there. I explained all this. And I do all the time. And I think what happens now is because of, it's sort of ironic, 10 years ago, the worst thing you could be was like a Nazi. So everyone called me. And even though they knew I wasn't, you're a Nazi. If you talk about

Jewish people or Israel, you're a Nazi. Now that I'm not, you know, all the way on some of the issues, now I'm a fact, because that's the worst thing you could be now, is you're part of the counterintelligence conspiracy with the government and Israel, your controlled opposition. Now that that's the worst thing it could be if people don't like me, now they just throw that out. And I know people, I've known some people for years and years. They've known me since January 6th. They've defended me from those allegations. We have a falling out. Then suddenly I'm the Fed. Yeah. What do you think?

Do you buy that? Well, there's a lot stuff going on. Why is a guy giving him all these bitcoins to help him make money? The understanding that Andrew Tate and Roger Stone were possibly involved in funding him, that's out there. His response to him not getting respect arrested is that he is that the people arrested were idiots. Like, it's totally tone death. Right. And it's the same thing with the guy telling everyone to go into Capitol. Like, I don't understand how that's not inciting violence, even though there was no violence that day.

But according to the, according to the politicians and the government, it was it was worse than 9-11. Think about that. It's worse than 9-11, according to these people, the Democrats. That's so funny. His take on Erica Kirk, his take on TPUSA, him saying I wish like and there's also something that Nick has lost and listen he has a huge following he has way bigger following me totally 100%. He's a great order like everyone knows he's a great speaker. You know, his only to me some of his blind spots are things that I think are based on his age. I mean he hasn't lived enough life to understand some stuff.

like he's very against hidden history when you talk about you know Europe's involvement in Africa you know he doesn't think anything of that he doesn't believe in Frankins which is like nuts to me you know it's just it's just nuts to me but

there's a reason why you lose part of your crowd when you start faking the funk on a nasty dunk it's just crazy to me and when you're on the Capitol telling people to go into the Capitol and then you call them idiots later on. Yeah. That rings hollow to me. No, I will also tell you that I think Nick is on point with a lot of shit.

He's a great speaker. He's a great speaker. But it's like to sit there and go, oh, they just tell me feds because they don't like me. No, it's like based on your actions. I mean, he got really hot for a very long time. He's still a great speaker. He'll always be relevant. but it's just like to sit there and just be like, yeah, they just don't like me.

So they call me a Fed. No, dude. That's not why because they just don't like you. Because people who agree with you call you a Fed. Like Leonardo Joni, who agrees with you on a lot of stuff. She calls you a Fed. Owen Benjamin calls you a Fed. Right?

I mean, it's your actions. It's not because they don't like what you're saying. It's like your obvious like, defending of Erica Kirk and defending of TPUSA in hindsight because your narrative is that you are that that that you hate trans so much yet you you they call you a cat boy and because of things that you've been told you know and I don't even care what your sexuality is that you want to be gay be gay who gives a shit like I don't give a shit man but it's like it's like it's like It's crazy to me that he it's so easy said, oh, they do so like me because I'm a fed.

Half the fucking, we've had so many different comments here call me controlled op and shit. I don't know shit. Everyone knows, dude. I keep it real 100% even when it may not be the thing that my fans want to hear. Because I just tell you the truth. And if you don't have to like it, it's just I'm not going to lie to you. I think the only thing that I can offer you is authenticity

Now he also during that same interview He struck out at Candace Owens He said that she I won't play it because it's a little long She said that she He wanted to get them together on a show And she just wasn't having it And then he finally did this stream

That just blew up got like 75,000 concurrence Live people watching basically And then immediately she calls him and is like, hey, we got to do this. We got to do it now. Come on the show. So he does the show. She calls him an anti-Semi,

starts pulling up things he said about her, even though she said it wasn't going to be that kind of interview. It was going to be more a friendly interview. She ambushes him. And then she tells him after, only after Candice Owens tells him that it's going to be premium for her, people are going to have to pay to watch it. And then maybe she'll put it out later in the free.

Isn't that case? Yeah, she did him dirty. Like, you know, No, it's like the show with Candace, too. It's like, good luck, dude. Good luck. I mean, I 100% believe that it's both real and a sciop. I don't, you know, based on the writing, I don't think that's how she talks.

It doesn't seem like her. But I do think that she's a freak. If you'd like to hear the rest of this episode, subscribe to Broken Simulation in your podcasting app or check us out at YouTube.com slash Sam Tripoli. Aaron, open your mind. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit.

Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. Dude, you just blew my mind.