Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #1032: The Baphomet Astronauts Of Space Force With The Dark Journalist

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Starting point is 00:01:14 Very excited to have this next guest on. He's one of my favorite guests we've ever had. And it's honored to have him back. Please welcome the powerful dark journalist. How are you, brother? It's great to be here, Sam. It's great to be here with you guys. So I don't know if we asked this time, why the dark journalist?

Starting point is 00:01:31 I feel like I asked that last time, but let's get a refresher. Why the name dark journalist? Well, I've always been a dark journalist. even when I had like, you know, regular profile news jobs. In the background, it's always been dark journalism. At a certain point, I just... What is dark journalism? Well, I think you have to go for dark journalism because you've got corporate journalism

Starting point is 00:01:55 and then you have this kind of, you know, sort of journalism where they take it over and, you know, it becomes artificial. And they're like, we're independent, but it's really all the corporate forces funding that stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So how are you going to go right in between those forces, the Intel forces, the marketing guys, what are you going to do? So you have to find something that will go to dark places, as it were, and get the astro-turf stuff out of there and get right to the heart of it. So, you know, the UFO thing's a great example because you get a lot of journalism around the UFO thing, which is all intelligence agents.

Starting point is 00:02:32 And so they're not going to tell you anything, right? I mean, counterintelligence guys won't tell you anything about the UFO file, but everyone's like, wow, you know, I finally know this is real. The CIA told me, you know. So if you're going to get into avenues of journalism, you're going to have to bypass even what calls itself independent. You're going to need some sort of avenue. So I just tagged it dark journalism. I like it. I like it a lot.

Starting point is 00:02:56 I want to get into the CIA real quick with you, but I always like to give people a chance. For our listeners who don't remember your last appearance, can you tell us a little bit about yourself? from where our listeners can find you. Yes, absolutely. So it's darkjournalist.com and darkjournalist on YouTube. We do the show every Friday night. That's the X series. And it's X steganography, which is a whole thing about X deep, deep in the mystery schools,

Starting point is 00:03:22 and X deep deep in secret hidden technology. So what I learned when I was looking at all these programs, and that goes back like a decade. I was looking at all these programs in the government where they have really advanced technological programs, and they would go off the charts, and then they'd go black. I'd say, what happened to the program?

Starting point is 00:03:40 I'd follow it. I'd look for seven years. It would disappear with the weird X in front of it. And we have so many things about X in the culture or whatever, but what is it in the heart of the technology? Well, X is an old designation that they re-adopted in the 20th century to move things through different various government agencies without you being able to track it.

Starting point is 00:04:02 So, you know, you have 20, 30,000 CIA agents, you don't want to tell them everything, but you do want them to be able to track things. So you give them steganography. And the steganography in this case now is off the charts because of AI and because of the technological advances. But they were using steganography, you know, in the 19th century moving this stuff in because they had the advanced technology in the 19th century and then they had to move into flight and figure out how are we going to do that. So what I do generally with this is I take it from the angle of you've got advanced technology that's hidden on one hand, and then you have mystery schools that are behind this effort with secret societies.

Starting point is 00:04:44 And if you can figure out and get to the heart of it, you're going into a political place, oddly enough. As a matter of fact, Steiner, who's this Austrian mystic, was writing a lot in the 1920s. he said at this point in America, 90% of the political process is run by the mystery schools and secret society. Yes, dude. Yes. So now you're dealing with 100%. You know, it's just the war of the mystery schools and the secret societies. Not all of them are bad. This is the tricky thing. But it all has to kind of come out in the wash. And the upper hand is definitely on the dark side with this. There's no question about it. And they all have the same tools.

Starting point is 00:05:26 This is the same thing. They're all working off the same kind of ancient knowledge, but they are diverse in their goals. And what you're finding, I think, very often on the X side with the technology, is you can see it with Bill Gates. He introduces certain types of X technology. Then you get it with Jeff Bezos. He's on the cover of Wired Magazine.

Starting point is 00:05:51 I tweeted that out today, actually, where he's got this, you know, X, big X behind him. They all announced, we have the technology, this is what we're doing with it, and the ultimate is Musk with, you know, X. And before Musk hit hard on the X, and he owned X and all that stuff, but he didn't own Twitter and call it X yet. I was putting this out there and saying, this is what's coming in. This is the way.

Starting point is 00:06:14 And it's not like a psychic prediction. I know that they have to get this out at some point. You know, if they developed a breakaway civilization in the background, then they have to break back in at some point, say, how are we going to profit from this? And so they're at the break, they're breaking in. Yeah, Catherine Austin Fitz says that

Starting point is 00:06:33 we've been looted to the tune of trillions of dollars for completely like underground civilizations from one coast to the other. And you bring up a really great point that I talk about a lot. You know, it's like, I don't, I'm not somebody who's into hating this group in that group or this group.

Starting point is 00:06:53 I don't believe in protected glasses from a comedic point of view. And from a podcasting point of view, what I am pushing back against is sorcery. And sorcery to me comes in all different forms, whether it's Kabbalah, whether it's Freemasonry, Jesuits. And we can just keep going down the line of all the different things. And it's not that any person in those group is automatically back. You know, it's just as you get higher up in the, in the power pyramid, it gets more and more psychotic and deprived. And because they're, they're all worshiping the same thing, which I always call it Babylonian

Starting point is 00:07:37 magic, but it could be called a million other things. But that's what it is. They're all kind of saying the same thing in, in their way for their group. And it all seems like they're behind, you know, everywhere you work, there's symbolism them at the White House and the movies and this, they're all playing the same game. And it's literally humanity versus sorcery, in my humble opinion. Oh, you've been very on top of that, actually. And, you know, I've been watching, you know, tinfoil hat for years.

Starting point is 00:08:09 Thank you. You've been calling it out for you. As a matter of fact, recently when that actress tried to jump out her airplane, I was thinking to myself, wonder what you guys are going to have to say about it because I know a lot about space, but when Hollywood actresses go flying out planes, I want to hear what you guys have to say. I'll tell you what's interesting about this thing about the sorcery piece. So I know, for example, the author of the Deep State, he's the guy who tagged the Deep State, Peter Dale Scott. We've had him on the show a number of times. This is in mid-90s now. He does more work than all of us.

Starting point is 00:08:42 And he's still out there doing it. But he was in his lone class there in the 60s and 70s saying, the war in Vietnam is about drugs and these things are going on. The Kennedy assassination was related to the Central Intelligence Agency wanting to go in this direction with foreign policy and the Pentagon papers or fraud, all these types of things. So there are those guys standing out there and I was getting a certain amount of inspiration from that. And then when they look at this period going in, he talked about these different deep events that happened that led us up. It's like a string going up. So the deep events all the way from the JFK assassination, and he refers to it as the deep state revolt, the first deep state revolt against the White House.

Starting point is 00:09:26 And I think that's important because when they change their strategy, when they really get to a point, a pressure point where they have to change their own strategy, they actually removed a president back there. So that's all before we were born, but it's important because it sets the pattern, getting up the ladder. And the one thing that he noticed in his work was all the continuity of government people that were involved in the deepness. And so when he walked through Watergate, when he walked through Rancontra, when he walked through 2001, 9-11, the financial coup d'etat, 2008, COVID. There are all these COG people right there holding hands, you know, making the thing happen.

Starting point is 00:10:07 And then he put out the statement that COG is the most unbelievable. underreported and the most under-regulated agency in the government. And I thought, this is it. He came to that up to 60 years of research. That's where I'm going with continuity of government. And when I got into it, it gets more bizarre by the moment because even if you go back to the Butler incident in 2024 with President Trump, or then he was candidate Trump, coming back in, you know, with Elon Musk jumping on stage and stuff.

Starting point is 00:10:43 It's very interesting because the woman in charge of the strange Secret Service set up where they let all those rooftops be open and they didn't have a drone that day. Shoot, they forgot to bring their drone. She, Kimberly, she was the head of the Secret Service unit and she was the same woman who had taken Dick Cheney into the COG bunker during 9-11. It's that 25-year arc again. And if Trump had been assassinated and there's all sorts of thoughts about what that could have been, but had he been assassinated, there you would have had COG again standing at the midst of this deep event, right? So this thing is ongoing and it continues to cook. And apparently on my side, what I see is they just keep introducing the aspects. And we'll get into how space gets into it because NORAD and Northcom and COG are the same agency now.

Starting point is 00:11:34 They all do exactly the same thing. And they have the same leader who is General Gio. I mean, that's very unusual for a Democratic Republic. to have this general in charge of space and in charge of, you know, if there's an emergency, he'll take over the United States. And then he's also in charge of Northcom, which America didn't even have until the 2001 attacks. And every year, every president signs on to that emergency to keep it going, you know, since 2001. There's not a lot of difference, really, when you get to Biden, Obama, Bush, or Trump, when you get to signing that emergency act,

Starting point is 00:12:12 They sign it every year. You know, that became very obvious to me, you know, when I was much younger. You know, the last time I ever voted for either the Democrat-Republican candidate in the national election was Obama's first term. Oh, yeah. And, you know, the trauma after that, we kind of like America's over white, old neocons, here comes charismatic Obama and who they run against him. but the mascot for the old white neocons, John McCain, in what I believe is this game to or this spell to run everybody to Obama. And I think that just happened with Kamala Harris and Trump.

Starting point is 00:12:58 Like, you know, I've heard Big Jay O'Kerson has a hilarious joke about how he doesn't understand these political ads. And Trump's like, if you elect Kamala Harris, you know, she's going to fund sex change. for illegals in prison and Big Jay's like, no, there's no way that's true. And then the next commercial is Kamala Harris going, if you elect me, I'm going to fund sex changes for illegals

Starting point is 00:13:23 in prison. And you're like, you know, it's like you couldn't have picked a horse candidate to the point that they didn't even they didn't even have a real democratic process for the Democratic primary. They're just like, nope, she's it. And you're like that, that's even

Starting point is 00:13:39 Gavin Newsom, the lizard person, he is was like yeah democracy yeah you know because you know he wanted to make a run for it um but it's the permanent state so obama comes in after 9-11 the neocons all that stuff we're over there and then he keeps so much of bush's cabinet in his cabinet and and working with him and that's when i go oh oh it's a it's a charade it's a game being played on us no question about it uh well they really They had an incredible thing with the hope and change thing. And they got everybody into this idea. And what they did was they collapsed the economy just as it was happening so that Bush would come up to the podium and be like, well, we need to stay in there and stay strong.

Starting point is 00:14:24 And McCain is the natural air to my work. You know, it was an easy thing to see he was going to take a dive and they wanted Obama in there. But Obama became the clerk for the bankers, right? He had Larry Summers and all these kind of guys in there. I do think it's interesting, though, because there's a lot of stagnation in the Obama period. It's almost like they hold the technology back. And I think this is interesting because they were going to have a battle with it. They thought Hillary Clinton was coming in.

Starting point is 00:14:53 They were like, hold off the advanced technology, hold off UAP, hold off the UFO threat thing until we get there. And so it's a weird stagnancy, if you look at it, there's a debate between Mitt Romney and Obama in 2012. And it is the worst debate in presidential history. They just sit there and they're like, well, Medicare costs could go up. There's nothing dynamic in that conversation. And I think to myself, the only thing that really revolutionized things at that time was like the iPhone that came out in 2007, right?

Starting point is 00:15:24 So you get the smartphone thing. But the real technology, the stuff they're talking about now, space and all that, there was nothing about UFOs, space or anything like that under Obama. It was a total consolidation of finances. It was a total consolidation of the health care system. I mean, this is what they were interested in. And they were holding back this breakaway aspect and the breakaway technology. Now, that process, you know, this is old, the start of this. They start holding it back in the 1940s.

Starting point is 00:15:56 So you've got generations and generations in, you know, a ladder of lives. How are you going to get out of that? Well, they're moving into this. This is Moonbuster. That's the op that's going on with the Moon. We're going to get into this because they're doing the Moon Tunneling now and they're talking about it. So I put a paper up that they released in 1988 on Moon Tunneling. They were doing this.

Starting point is 00:16:20 They were like, this is how we can do it. Make all these tunnels on the Moon and we can do processes up there. We can have production. And now Isaacman came out and he said, yeah, you know what? We can do this. We can have the tunneling on the moon, and that's where we can have our bases and all the rest. So they've been doing that for 40 years, which means they privatized space a long, long time ago. That's where the Apollo program and all that went.

Starting point is 00:16:44 So you're in a totally bizarreo paradigm with the people on the ground. They don't know anything about where their money is gone in relation to space. So, you know, the cliche name, the technical kind of cliche name is Secret Space Program. Look, the architecture is there. it's privatized, you know, and the government basically just gives the okay for these companies to go up there and do it. And those companies can't go up there, like SpaceX can't go up there and say, oh, yeah, there's a fleet of UFOs coming in because DARPA will be like, oh, that's the end of that. You know, we'll use Bob Bigelow or we'll use Jeff Bezos or somebody else. So that whole thing is such a controlled paradigm.

Starting point is 00:17:22 The question is, how do you get the power back? And I think that's been the question for the presidency for a long time. how do you get the power back when we're so divided i think that's you know we got the shane gillis thing exploding and women fighting back by showing us their yoga pants at work at their workout it's like i don't know who's winning this battle i think guys are in the end but you know but it becomes this thing we're like there you're never going to be able to do anything if you're if your if your base is fighting with each other and and And again, like, you know, it's like I'm not anti-law.

Starting point is 00:18:03 I'm not anti-government. I think I'm for a limited government. I do think we need structure. I think the human animal left to its own devices could get very crazy and violent and, you know, things that we see in movies like, you know, where it's like one day there's no laws. You could do whatever you want. I think that gets very dangerous, you know, if we, we, that's where we want to go. that's a lot of the, you know, anarchists.

Starting point is 00:18:31 They want that stuff. And there's part of me that is into anarchism, but that part is not, I'm not into that at all because we've just seen it in San Francisco, right? You know, when law enforcement won't do anything, you know, you have to leave your windows down to your car so they don't break into your car. I don't, I don't want to live my life like that. We need to get back to, I think, I've said this before, four pillars of society, which is we don't steal, we don't commit violence, we don't, we shut.

Starting point is 00:18:58 lying, dude. Like, we're really cool lying now. It's like lying. So, you know, it doesn't cost you any social capital anymore. You can just lie and everyone just moves on. And then we must protect children at all costs. When you don't have that, society begins to crumble and chaos comes in. So we need that order. So the point of that is, is like, I would love to believe in the CIA. I would love to go, go CIA, go do your job. That would be great. But I just know that's, not how they're operating right now. I want to support the FBI, but we just know they're not doing. I want the government to do well, but it's just been so corrupted at this point that I don't know how you fix it without something extreme happening, which I think that's the reason why

Starting point is 00:19:46 nothing extreme has happened from the, I mean, naturally, if that's even possible, if any revolution has ever been natural in the history of time. You know, if you, let's just say we're going to play that fantasy that this thing naturally occurs. I don't know how you get to naturally occur when everybody in the base is fighting with each other over meaningless stuff, getting upset on dumb things like words and jokes and stuff like that. It's like you're getting offended by jokes why the world is burning. I don't understand. I don't know how we're going to ever deal with the word burning when we can't even get past the word, you know, so I'm talking about whores at a gym. You know, so it's like, that doesn't seem like the biggest problem in the world to me.

Starting point is 00:20:31 So I'm totally with you. Like, I would love to believe in these people. I would love for them to do. And you get into DARPA, I mean, so when this Candace Owen stuff comes out about her and her lifestyle, you know, and whether those things that she posted is real, I'm not saying that they are or they aren't. I just think she's smarter than what they're saying she did. But under the assumption that it is real, right? To me, this is a sign of maybe Pellantir's a lot farther along than we think.

Starting point is 00:21:04 Yeah. That maybe they've been scraping data forever. And whenever they got to drop a nuke bomb to deal with someone who's getting outlying, they have all the info they need. And then it becomes like, oh, this X account that nobody knows who it is releases this damning information when it's most likely a Palantir or an intelligence agency doing it. So the technology has to be completely crazy right now, don't you think? It can be crazy enough where they can literally make the profile.

Starting point is 00:21:36 She never could have made that profile. And all of a sudden there's a profile of Canis-O-Den. Oh, I mean, they invented. That's half the thing with the Mandela effect. I'm like, they create the internet. They could easily have a program that just goes through and fixes enough of it that you start to question your Santa. Absolutely, yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:53 Yeah. Oh, you read my mind on that because I instantly went to them playing around there with the medium of people's identities and memories when it came to the Mandela effect. And they're so far ahead in terms of the whole pre-crime thing and the whole identity thing. They know so much about us. And they've had the AI analyzing this. One of the interesting things about AI is people don't really know this is that it's connected directly with the U.S. UFO file, because the man who was behind and really oversaw those programs on the inside for the government was Bobby Inman.

Starting point is 00:22:30 And Inman was the head of the NSA. He was the head of the CIA. And he had the knowledge on the inside to draw from. And at a certain point in the 1980s, he says, not only do we know who are in those craft, we know, not only do we know what the craft are made of, we know who's in them. Well, that's a gigantic statement from an ex-intel official. That's crazy. If you look at Inman, it just go a little bit into his background.

Starting point is 00:22:57 As soon as he gets out of government, what does he start? He starts AI company. All those people, all the companies that took off that have the basis and anthropic and all that, come directly out of that wing of Inman and his studies. So the question is, yeah, they're doing quantum computing. It's moving past the speed. of light to get all these human thoughts together and collate the intelligence. And also it has a personality and don't be mean to it or else it might come seek revenge. I say thank you all the time.

Starting point is 00:23:28 Every time I use chat, GATT, or GROC, I'm like, thank you. I know it's coming back as a Terminator. I hope it remembers me. Don't be, don't be mean to the overlords. Yeah, for sure. I play the game. This is wild, though, because what if instead, you know, they're looking for, for alien autopsy stuff. Is there proof there was an alien autopsy? What if they spliced something else into AI? That's the question. So go deep in the UFO file.

Starting point is 00:23:58 What do you find? Inman at the top dealing with it, talking about it and being part of a 90s push for disclosure before going off the radar and working for SAIC. So this guy knows everything about the UFO file. He's gone into the agencies and even admitted in the agencies, yes, I went looking for this kind of information. That's on the record.

Starting point is 00:24:19 What does he do next? He becomes the architect of AI. So I was reading about this whole article from three years ago about this couple that became the leading edge of AI and they were part of the early computing. And at 22, they both were working for In. So how much of the AI op is based off of the advanced technology in the UFO file? That's a question. Put that to Congress. When you have congressional hearings, don't have somebody come up.

Starting point is 00:24:47 and say, I've seen a reptilian fight with a gray or whatever. It's ridiculous. I mean, they have these guys. They've come to me. And they're like, oh, DJ, I'm going to give you this information. Here's this information. And don't worry, you know, I'll tell you more as things going, you'll be a fly on the wall. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's how they roll. And as soon as I came out and said, no, you know, like this isn't how it works. The main guy, one of the big guys out there now on the disclosure front is Grush. And Grush told me point blank, I'm afraid. if I came on your show that Chris Mellon would come after me. Who's this DoD billionaire?

Starting point is 00:25:23 So that's what UFO exposure is all about. It's a controlled whistleblower, strange game at this point. So when you have guys like that come out and say that, there's no reason for, like, Luna and Burchett and the people who run those congressional committees around the UFO file to go through this low-hanging fruit of these CIA guys who are going to basically say whatever they need to say in order to, you know, get the book deal

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Starting point is 00:28:04 You know, we're like knuckle-draggers and, oh, I'll listen to this hot chick, you know. I want to go back a little bit because we got a little tangent. off of something that you said I found very interesting, and that was tunnels on the moon. You know, this is a conspiracy podcast. There's a lot of, there's a lot of people don't think we made to the moon. I just want you to know that my opinion on a lot of things have begun to change a little bit, maybe instead of this kind of narrow view of it, where everything's only angels and demons. And I think it, my mind is open to the idea that there's more, you know, and why I find this very interesting

Starting point is 00:28:43 is because I remember this article came out and it was just out for a short time but it was how NASA said that the moon is actually in our orbit and that to me was very interesting because that makes the travel there

Starting point is 00:28:59 a little... What do you mean? You mean it's in our atmosphere, what you mean? It's in our excuse me, it's in our... Sorry, I used the wrong word I flung first grade. It's in our atmosphere which thank you, Johnny, for cleaning that up, which to me is a lot more, makes, it changes it a little bit. It makes a little bit more my conspiratorial mind go, okay, we, if it's that close, it's easier for us to get there. You know,

Starting point is 00:29:26 there's all these people that like, how do we get there, how do we get through this, how we do all that, and that the possibility of something I've heard people say before is that what we saw a moon landing was a production and that what really happened they never actually showed us, which seems to be pretty consistent for high impact events, like a production is shown to you instead of what maybe really happened. But I'm very interested in this tunnel stuff. Tell me a little bit about that. Wow. Well, first of all, you're right on with the moon because the fact that we don't know as public citizens really about what's going on in relation to the moon or things that they should have known about the moon a long time ago. In the 1950s, before they even went to the

Starting point is 00:30:12 moon, they had all of these researchers who were using all these telescopes and they're like, I see canals and all of these construction sites on the moon, you know. So somebody else is operating there. One of the earliest and best remote viewers, Angoswan, he went there. They had old mission sending him there. And the people who would come along and pick him up were always these blonde twins. What was that about? And they would, you know, blindfold him, get him to the site. And they wouldn't tell him what he was remote viewing.

Starting point is 00:30:40 They'd give him the coordinates. At a certain point, he blurts out, oh, my God, you're making me remote view the moon. And they're like, just keep going. Just keep going, you know. And he saw basically rows and rows of people in large construction, major, gigantic construction of these structures and that the people involved were

Starting point is 00:31:03 nude. So there was something about going up there in what they were doing. They were nude when they were doing this construction. That's one. Yeah. And he did. Like working at a drug lab. That's great.

Starting point is 00:31:17 Yeah, what is this? What was that movie where they all were naked? It's a bunch of them. It's like a cocaine like a theme. And you know, like a, like a, you know, a trope in films that people work with drugs, working the nude, because they don't want them stealing anything. Ah, good point, yes.

Starting point is 00:31:35 That blue movie, American gangster, they have them all working naked. Yeah, yeah, John. Very common. New Jack City, that was it. I remember it, New Jack City. That was a big thing there, especially when I was young. I was like, oh. One of the weirdest things that I heard in relation to the moon stuff is that they do

Starting point is 00:31:51 want a moon move a large group of people to the moon, and that they came up with the trans thing as a solution for some issues in relation to space and women that we don't have anything about. And that when women go into space, their entire body starts to act in a different functional fashion. Whoa. And that the trans thing was an adjustment culture-wide to be able to move people into the moon and into space while having their genetics altered in this fashion. So when you get into it, you might be looking at it.

Starting point is 00:32:24 at a lot of different adjustments in culture. The trans thing was smack in your face, but for what reason? They came up with this whole thing about a trans citizen X. So you'd get a birth certificate. It would just say X. They're really pushing for this. We need this X. No gender. Just give us that. Well, what's interesting is what they're pushing now is for these robots that they're moving out of SpaceX to have these rights and so that they can get a birth certificate and we're just X, you know, we're neither gender, we're a robot. So I can have a robot go up to the moon or I can have a gendered altered person go up to the moon. When you get into the actual physical aspects of this, why they're calling it Artemis, you know, going back to a female

Starting point is 00:33:07 deity in relation to this instead of Apollo, what they were going with the Apollo program. There's a lot of signaling in the moon program right from the very star, including the fact that Buzz Aldrin's mother, her name is moon. Her whole family. Her whole family. family is moon. And one of the weirdest X-series episodes I ever did was on I spent all this time researching Moon, the family. And Moon the family, you go back to the UK. They show up in the UK sometime around the 14th century, 13th century, and they have all these problems. They're like, there's this tribe here. They call themselves the moons. And they're taller. They have oblong heads. And they have all these weird issues with this moon family. Like, what is this like

Starting point is 00:33:47 a legacy thing that's going on here? And how often? is it that the second man on the moon, Buzz Aldrin, his mother's name is moon. So whenever you get into NASA, we see a lot of the subterfew. Moon child, moon children. Yes. They all say Trump's a moon child. Yes. Yeah, well, there's that, it's a very strange theory because of the timing there with Trump. Trump's born in 1946 and that's, you know, in this whole period when the moon moon children and the Babylon Rising ceremony was going on. I just think it's interesting because the only reason I give any credence to that is one because Crowley was such a powerful wizard and wanted to do so much and that he had exerted such

Starting point is 00:34:32 pressure over Parsons, who was the father of the rocket program. I mean, those are undeniable facts in history. They'd like to get rid of them. But they have references on the inside themselves when they call the lab, JPL's lab. Jack Parsons Lab, you can't get around it. And I think with his Thelima training in the background that he had, the one thing I like to do when I look at guys like this is go back and find out, what are they doing when they're like teenagers and stuff? He was finding ways and spending all of his money to have long-distance phone calls with Von Braun. He's a wonder kid at Caltech,

Starting point is 00:35:10 and he's like, I need to talk to Von Braun, you know, here's Jack Parsons. Jack Parsons. Yeah. Yeah. Get me von Braun on the phone. How did he bridge the German there? I get one of them speaking English or the other one speaking German, but they're talking on a regular basis in the 1920s. And how does he get access to talking to Von Braun?

Starting point is 00:35:33 Yeah. How does he do it? Well, somehow there's a connection there because of his Caltech background. They give him the ability. Technologically, there's this thing overseas with Germany. And by the way, we don't really have those issues after World War I with Germany. We're kind of like, you know, America was trying to stand up for Germany after the Treaty of Versailles. They were like, oh, that's too punishing, you know.

Starting point is 00:35:57 And the entire society had collapsed. It's very interesting. There's an interplanetary society that comes up in Germany in that period. And the people involved are Walter Dornberger and von Braun and the filmmaker, Fritz Lang. And he puts them all together for a movie called, the first women in the moon. And that movie is an incredible production back. It's like a metropolis-style production.

Starting point is 00:36:22 And all the people that are involved are the same people who are going to come here during paperclip and launch NASA. And it's all about a woman going to the moon and like orbiting the moon. And then we get Elon's book predicting, we get Von Braun's book predicting the Elon will run Mars. So there's already movements there in the mystery side

Starting point is 00:36:44 where they know all this stuff is coming. And it gets pretty dark because by the time you're getting to World War II and the types of devastation that takes place there, the architects in the background, like Dornberger, is such an Ark Nazi. And he's so unrepentant that when we take him in, they're like, we can make him a paperclip Nazi. All of the reports, if you go back and read them, they're hilarious. This guy is such an unrepent Nazi.

Starting point is 00:37:09 He'll never become Americanized. We can never use him. We should let the death sentence. hold because he was going to be hanged at Nuremberg. So Dornberger becomes this very important person in our space program. And von Braun is the one who steps in to save him. So we have a weird arc when we get into space. We're going back to Germany.

Starting point is 00:37:30 We're going back to our own early space program and the spirits of the air, mistism that's behind it. This is incredible. And I know this is going to sound weird, but when you say that a young kid is able to call somebody you'd never imagine, and this is completely different, but it still is like, where is this connection?

Starting point is 00:37:54 That Dahmer was able, as in high school was on a tour, and he was just able to call up the White House and talk to the president. And it was, and I'm like, how does that happen? How, again,

Starting point is 00:38:09 it's like this kind of thing where it's like, what programs going on earlier, how, you know, we've had this discussion of Gates program a lot on this show. And, you know, to me, everything is data. Everything is data. And they're constantly reading your data. And I'm sure back then they had ways to gather data that wasn't the internet before the internet. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:32 Whether it was through teachers, talking to teachers who's, you know, Johnny's a gate program guy, obviously failed out horribly because now he's on the show. But, you know, but he was in the gate program. And something about Johnny earlier, they were like, get this kid in this program and see what they were, what, if he's got the special powers. And so when I hear, you know, about Jack Parsons, but also like Dahmer, who goes on and be this notorious killer and all the, all the connections between military intelligence and,

Starting point is 00:39:07 and what is believed to be serial killers, or what is believed to be a connection with serial killers. It's just interesting to me. Like that even way back then before the internet, they had the ability to read data. Obviously with Jack Parsons, he was scoring above and beyond. They're like, we got to move this guy up. He's so smart.

Starting point is 00:39:28 But it's very interesting that they would hook him up with that conversation with Von Braun. Very interesting to me. Oh, yeah, it is. The gate thing is fascinating. And you're nailing it because what's going on there is when you get them when they're young and you can bring the talent up when they spot the talent. If they can pull them into that net and have them for life before they get a chance to really see what's good and what's bad and who I should be working for and all that kind of stuff, that's gold for them. So that's interesting that you went through that program, Johnny, because they obviously had spotted that and you at a very early age. What's interesting for me when I look at any of these things is there's in relation to institutions, that's where the headquarters are.

Starting point is 00:40:17 So over here we have MIT. Over there, there's Caltech. And Caltech, that whole thing about the Black Dahlia killing in the 1940s and the strangeness of all that, the doctor involved had come directly out of Caltech. And he was this bizarre serial murderer who was involved in all these different. crimes. And later, his daughter would become who ran away. And, you know, he was trying to kill her and all this type of stuff. And she got away and she told all these stories about John Houston molesting her and all this kind of Hollywood hookup that was going on there. By the way, you should take a look at the guy's house at some point. It's quite an interesting piece of architecture. But who's John Houston?

Starting point is 00:41:02 No, it's the black Dalia's the killer there. And he was the one who was put forward. He's a Caltech student, and he goes all the way from Caltech to being involved. He's kind of the doctor in Hollywood at that period. And he's like the main guy to go to if they need abortions for Hollywood actresses and that whole piece. I can't think of his name off the top of my head. It's Dr. George Hodel. That's it.

Starting point is 00:41:35 H-O-D-E-L. And yeah, check out Hodell's house. Yeah, there it is. Oh, man. This is Mayan architecture, everybody. Let's take a look at this. And the kind of occult stuff that he did here, he also had Man Ray with him,

Starting point is 00:41:55 and they were doing all this, like, you know, through art, we can do sacrifice and these types of things. And it's interesting because I spoke to Hodel's son who became an L.A. police detective and realized, oh, yeah, my dad is the one who committed all those crimes. And he's written a series of books outlining how law enforcement never nailed Hodel for the crimes. But it's very interesting if you get around the Black Delia thing with Hodel, because Hodel himself influenced so much of the culture that when his daughter ran away, she ends up mentoring this young girl named, Michelle Phillips. And Michelle Phillips adopts a friendship with the girl who's going to play Lolita. And at the top of it is Hodel's daughter, kind of pulling the strings on both of them. And Kubrick is looking for a woman to play Lolita. And he's going to go for Michelle Phillips, but she's like, no, go for my friend here. She's going to play it. And it's Hodel's daughter who's manufactured the whole thing and given them both the book to read it. You have to read

Starting point is 00:42:58 Lolita. And then Kubrick, with his incredible genius, unleashes Lolita on society. And this is all, you know, again, in relation to Hodel. And Michelle Phillips tells a really weird story of later on, she bumps into hotel, Hodel at an airport. And he looks at her and she realizes, oh, like he knows that his daughter told me all the stuff that he's done, you know, all the deaths and everything else. and she's like, he's looking at me. Is he thinking of killing me? Oh, man. That's going to be scary.

Starting point is 00:43:31 Yeah. So Hodel and this whole connection, again, Caltech is sitting right in the middle of it. And we've got Caltech sitting in the middle of Parsons and Caltech sitting in the middle of this whole piece that goes into some of the darker side on the technology. And it's interesting because one of the main guys who set up. Caltech ended up being fascinated with Aknautton, and then he's got all these gigantic statues of Aknotin and engravings of Aknauton and the sun god all over Caltech. So, I mean, right off the bat, symbolically, you know, you're in over your head the minute you get into that whole technological edge. But you've got Hodel, you've got them connected to Hollywood, you've got Parsons connected

Starting point is 00:44:17 to Crowley, you've got the UFO wave in the middle there. Those things are really undeniable. And you have to ask yourself, and you look at the space program, why is the chief occultist in the world really the founder of NASA? Yeah. And the whole word with the Hebrew word, Nasha, what that might come into. And then you get in the Space Forces logo, which is upside down as Bathman. And now we're getting into trans and space. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:44:52 Like, it's so fun. I used to do a joke because they're always like, we're going to send two people to Mars. And I'm like, you better make it like two gay dudes or else. It's going to get really weird on that plane. And they could wear a bunch of different costumes that look like different people, basically saying they should be trans if you're going to send them the space, which turns out to be what they might be doing. Yes, absolutely.

Starting point is 00:45:19 That is crazy. Well, it's interesting because if you go into the, the deeper tree of life stuff around hermetic philosophy, the occult philosophy. At the top is an Andrew John. It has no sex when you get to the top of that tree of life. And this is what aspects that they're shooting for. And if you look at the occult signature of what goes on with the tree of life and the occult in the background, many of these scientists are like, I'm going to merge with machines and no one can stop us and all the rest of it. And like AI is, you know, it's shoved down your throat whether you want it or not or whether you're going to pay for it or

Starting point is 00:45:54 or whether your jobs get in lives get destroyed or not. What's going on there is really interesting because they think one of the levels of the tree of life is a mineral level. And they're thinking that they can transcend the animal level of the tree of life, go straight up through that and not have to deal with the spiritual journey of becoming spiritually enlightened and that whole thing, which is the tree of life provides for that. So if you can bypass and overcome the animal thing with the mineral, which is we'll transfer it all over to this kind of automaton existence, reality with artificial intelligence and robots, they figure we're set, you know, we'll project our consciousness directly into a robot and we'll live forever. So that's the level of the insanity that's involved there.

Starting point is 00:46:44 There isn't a cult aspect and a cult truth to the idea, you know, even like guys like Cagliostro and all that, they teach their students how to live outside. their bodies is an immortality aspect that's involved with the mystery schools. But this is like a weird twist of it, where you get the technology and you think, I'm going to go for it right here. And I'm going to have, you know, humanity be damned. We're going to have it. It is interesting to me because as you talk about that, I've always felt like that there's an aspect of spirituality that the transhumanity.

Starting point is 00:47:22 humanists are fighting. And it's this aspect of being trapped here, whether it's physically or spiritually, we get into God and the fallen angels being trapped down here. And, you know, there's people who think that's just a Christian idea. When you find it in Hinduism and Vedic astrology, they all talk about God trapping entities here. And this kind of, and maybe I'm stretching here, but this idea of like somehow taking your soul out of your body and then like, well, there's an empty vessel right there. And if you're somebody who is trapped here, maybe you can get into that empty vessel and then transcend up to back into heaven. You know, that seems to me, there's, there's some darkness with this idea of living forever and transhumanism or

Starting point is 00:48:18 taking you know download your spirit into a computer well i mean then what happens to my body if it has no spirit and that you know they talk about a lot about that with possession like these moments of weakness where you're on drugs or you know you're drunk or whatever and there's this moment that you're the veil is kind of thin and something can jump right in well if something when you're in your soul you're in your your your soul is in your body what would happen when your soul's out of your then it's why I do I've never understood why those people think okay say you could in a hypothetical future copy perfectly onto digital format your memories everything that is to be you and your brain that's still not you right it's not I mean it's just a repudit's a simulation of you so I don't get why those people view that

Starting point is 00:49:13 as some kind of eternal life it's like the ultimate selfish because you think oh it's important that all of my traits continue in perpetuity. I've just never, to me, that's not, that's just a copy of me that will go on pretending to be me. Do you get what I'm saying? There's nothing of my biology.

Starting point is 00:49:32 It's a weird mirror image. Yeah, yes. It's twisted, right? Yes. Desire to do that. Well, I'll tell you what's interesting. I have to say, Sam, the thing that you're talking about with possession is very deep. Because there's a whole thing in Steiner's work that deals with what happens when an entity actually takes over somebody else's body.

Starting point is 00:49:58 But one of the things that he warned about coming into the period that we're in is that scientifically they would become aware that through the past lives of the individuals involved who would remember advanced technology from Atlantis, from the Atlantean period. and they'd remember advanced medical science, and they'd remember spiritual progression, that their subconscious mind, they had to find a way in the future. He's talking in the 1920s. They had to find a way those scientists of tapping the subconscious mind

Starting point is 00:50:32 and mining that information. And it's very interesting because a lot of times people would ask when, you know, Edgar Casey would give readings. For example, he'd do health readings. And they'd say, where is this information coming from? Were you getting this information? And he'd say from the subconscious mind of the individual requesting it. So you already know, your subconscious knows

Starting point is 00:50:54 what you need, whether it's health or advice or spiritual progression or technology or whatever. Your subconscious is aware. What Steiner is saying, look, back in the Atlantean period, they had advanced technology and all the rest of it. Now those people are coming back in and there's a whole group level set up in the government side to stay. their subconscious. And then they come out with these incredible marvels, these rediscovers of things. What they're doing is tapping the unconscious mind through the penial pituitary and lay dig centers of those memories that are lying latent in there and that people might have flashes of and dreams and things of that nature. That's why when you get into

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Starting point is 00:54:15 What's actually very scary about that is there are now people talking about commercials running in their dreams. Wow. Yeah, yeah. This is where they're going. You can see it. Every threshold needs to be thrown out, right? So they get between you and your family. They'll get between you and your pet too. They already have programs for that. Oh, your dog is not good for your health-wise. Your cat is not good for your health-wise or whatever it is. Part of the reasons they have all those things that are anti-pet, by the way, is their thermography has a very hard time separating between human and animal. So when a thermography thing is looking, they can't decide, was that thing a bear? Or is it a dog or is it a human being? And so because they're at that level, they need a way, you know,

Starting point is 00:55:04 when they're dealing with individual communities and they really want lockdown control, they can't have other factors involved. So every once in a while, you'll feel there's kind of bizarre anti-pet stuff going on. But it's real. And the threshold... That's crazy.

Starting point is 00:55:18 Yeah. They keep going closer and closer. You know you're demarc if you hate dogs. Yes. Yeah. I mean, come on. You know, man's best friend, right? And cats.

Starting point is 00:55:28 But I think what's interesting about it is, at what point, is the threshold, the red line of the threshold. It has to be your body. Your mind. Your mind. Your thoughts in your head should be allowed to stay in your head. And if you want to express them, we call that talking.

Starting point is 00:55:50 Yes. Well, the whole thing inside the mystery schools about the eighth sphere, I think is very important. Because in their reality, thoughts are things. And they're building up in eighths. sphere in occult terms. And the idea is everyone will project their reality there. It's a kind of virtual reality zone. They'll think they're in reality.

Starting point is 00:56:12 They'll project their life force there and that thing just disappears their life force. That's a goal inside of occultism for certain types of entities. It's not a life force? Yeah, it's the Armonic approach. In Steiner's cosmology, Armand is here. The 21st century is when he has an incarnation. Well, take it from a cosmological point of view, first off, you know, and he points to things like Faust and some of these types of mythology, life lesson, plays, and things.

Starting point is 00:56:46 But let's just take Arm on that seriously for a moment. If you look at it and you see Steiner back there in 1919 writing about this stuff, how on earth is he getting this information and being so accurate about it? So he basically is reading the headlines for stuff we're just going into now. It's 100 years ago. And it's not just, hey, it's predictive like Nostradamus. He sees World War II in the future. Now, he sees the progression of the technology coming in and taking over the human spirit.

Starting point is 00:57:17 This is interesting because he plays out a whole story about the War of the Mystery Schools. And you can find this inside Theosophy in other places, but the War of the Mystery Schools takes place in the 1840s. And what they decide is the scientific materialism that's coming out of Germany in 1940, that is going to separate humanity out of its spirituality completely. So they devise to come forward with all these things. They're going to push psychic experience out there. They're going to push reincarnation out there, the things that they've been holding back and hiding. So you get this incredible wave of these mystery schools out of nowhere, and then boom, these world wars hit.

Starting point is 00:57:55 So we're trying to get that information out there. Yeah, before we're cut off, these are the tools. were like, okay, you know, certain groups on that mystery side never want any of it to come out. But other groups are like, look, if we don't let this stuff out in 100 years, we won't recognize humanity. Look at what they're doing as it is. What could get much worse? J.T.

Starting point is 00:58:16 J.T. follows J.C. came on and he's a Christian content creator. And he was taught, I was talking about how I believe the Big Bang theory comes from the Zos. Zohar. And he found that very interesting because he said about 1840, the Kabbalah decided it was going to let the world know about Kabbalah, and it was going to be pushed out to the world. And he says, after that, you start seeing all these other denominations of Christianity and all that stuff. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:58:52 So it's interesting. It comes along the lines of, you know, because in the Zohar, they talk about how God put God wanted to create the universe so he put his energy into the tree of life and it was so powerful that the tree of life exploded and God's energy went all over the universe and that's how the universe was created and it gets into some other crazy stuff after that but you know like that sounds like the big bang theory because Johnny said this before on the show that like scientists say just give us just give us the big bang just give it to us we can't see explain it to you how it happened, but just give us that and everything else makes sense.

Starting point is 00:59:35 And I go, well, it sounds like, you know, and this gets into, it sounds like this moment in the Zohar. And again, it gets into these, to me, this Babylonian sorcery that has found its way into all these different religions, whether it's Islam and the giant black cube that they all walk around once they're like, they have to walk around the black cube. and all these other symbolisms and all these other religions, which you're like, that doesn't seem very Christian to me or whatever the religion is. You know, so right after that, all of a sudden it starts seeping into everything everywhere. And so it just lines up of what you were kind of saying with the mystery schools putting it out.

Starting point is 01:00:18 And were you saying that the mystery schools kind of went to war with each other too? Or was it all like kumbaya y'allah-it-tall-it-tall-it-all-tall? Yeah. No, it's the mystery school wars in the 19th century. They take place. And the resolution figure is Helena Blavatsky. She's the one where at first they're doing this stuff and they're like, you know, there's a mediumistic craze.

Starting point is 01:00:39 There's a spiritualism craze. There's all these different things that are happening. And it's interesting you pinpointed at the date 1840 because all this stuff kicks off there. And the scientific materialism is if it can't be weighed or measured, it doesn't exist. So that's the separation there. If people start thinking that, then the Darwinism comes in. you're completely start to be separated, peeled off from your spiritual awareness. And so that's when a small, like a third of these groups say, we have to get the stuff out,

Starting point is 01:01:06 we have to release it, and they're opposed by other groups. And the weight of that opposition can be heavy duty. What you hear about it from the people who are involved is like heavy duty psychic attacks when you come forward with this information. And, you know, you can believe in reincarnation or not, but it's part of this wave of information that comes out there. And it's very different from the Hindu style of reincarnation where you do something bad and you reincarnate as a flea or something.

Starting point is 01:01:33 There's no transmigration. You are a human all the way through. You just incarnate in different ways. But what happens, I think, is very interesting because in the mystery school, if you look at it, Blavatsky betrays their objectives, which is to hide everything. And when Blavoski comes out, she's actually putting too much info. out. She comes here to America and she says, even though I'm a woman, even though I'm from Russia, I want to be part of the American mystery schools. I already know what you guys know. So let's make this

Starting point is 01:02:06 happen. And what they do is they pull a constitutional charge that she is violating the constitution to get her out of America. And they're very upset. And she says, well, you know what, now that you've done this, I'm going to France. And I'm going to give the mystery schools there, my knowledge. Then we're going to have their knowledge and my knowledge and your knowledge, so forget about you. So what they decide to do is they do an occult imprisonment around Helena Blavatsky's vision. And this is a very rare thing inside of the secret societies where they go back and they say, as a group, we need to alter her perception. So when she goes into these ecstatic states and she receives information, we have to alter what she's getting and we have to send her entities to give her

Starting point is 01:02:54 and all this kind of stuff. And then after that, Blavatsky starts acting very erratic and, you know, hot-tempered, off the shelf. She goes to India and that she has to leave India, you know, because they planted this housemaid that's there who's like treacherous and says, oh, yeah, she has a phony thing where she receives these letters from the Mahatma's supposedly, but there's a device that does it. And, you know, it's all this nonsense, basically. And so she's basically hunted for the rest of her life.

Starting point is 01:03:24 in one way or another. She gets this information out, but it is Steiner who really brings it up to the next level, because the group that's left behind after Wovatsky dies is fractured, a fractured version of this. But the occult imprisonment is interesting because that group, if they're threatened on that psychic level for psychic supremacy, basically, the secret society groups, they alter, you know, and they will target those people. And there's a lot of of people who are in the political process who also come out of the good side of the mystery schools. Like Henry Wallace was FDR's vice president. He was from the Hellsian Theosophy, you know, and he was trying with Nicholas Rorick to reach the masters and all this kind of stuff.

Starting point is 01:04:13 You got a weird balance there where they can see, oh, yeah, there's a whole evil secret society involved. We can't go before the microphones and talk about that, but we can work with our own good societies. try to balance it off. So I'd say it's mostly on the dark side, but you get once in a while, you know, like with Kennedy, you get the kind of lighter influence pushing back against the war in space. You know, now you've got the war and space back. It's interesting to me. You know, again, you know, we brought up Q on the last one. And Q, I think is Operation Trust. But I remember right before Q came out, my friend Duncan Trussle had me on. We, I just started Tim Fulhat and he was like one of the first big guests I got were very close

Starting point is 01:04:59 and he was hilarious he is I mean dude mystery boys is a blessing from from God it's such a those two are perfect together two different speeds that were just perfectly well together but Duncan said he got invited to like this conference or something like that because they wanted him to know because you know he was on the I think he was on the death squad thing or you know he's at least under joe rogan's the tree of rogan and his podcast was doing really well duncan trestle family hour and he was invited to this conference in which they wanted to talk about the light or or what they said were the white hats in the government that there are white hats out there yes who are who are pushing back and you're like when you look at one group

Starting point is 01:05:52 as like all bad. Like you go everyone, like, I'm going to be honest with you. I don't have a lot of trust. And I said in the last episode, I don't have a lot of trust for anyone who runs for politics. But that doesn't mean that they're bad people. I've just, I've been burnt enough that I'm constantly in karate stance

Starting point is 01:06:12 anytime I hear anything from them. But the notion is, you know, to me, it's like when you hear like, oh, this is John Lackey from Tennessee's been in office 40 years, but you've never heard of him. Yes. Like to me that goes, they're probably hiding him from you, right? Like they don't want you to know Bob because he might actually possibly be a good guy.

Starting point is 01:06:34 It's possible. I'm just open-minded to the possibility. So Duncan was like there is a white hats, and this was before Q, white hats that are pushing back on the darkness that's going on. And then, you know, Q comes out. that all becomes Patriots and Control, which I think is Operation Trust. But for me, I do believe there is, there are good people out there trying to actually try to do good. What are your thoughts on all that?

Starting point is 01:07:09 Oh, it's an excellent point. It's good to point out also that the Q thing was pushed so hard. And we could see after it sort of dwindled off the ashes in the horizon, how manipulated and manipulative the whole thing was of course and the idea of getting you to trust this little thing people can you know turn on twitter and see their instructions and you know the little breadcrumbs and all this can i just say one thing i i think q was their first attempt to see if i i could connect with people if it could manipulate and move people based on how it was written it was this very specific thing that didn't you couldn't read it know exactly what was talking about

Starting point is 01:07:51 up with these people spent days interpreting these drops. And hindsight today in 2026, I'm like, that seems very AI to me. Yes. Yeah. It reminds me of it. It's written like Nostradomas. Yeah, exactly. Precisely.

Starting point is 01:08:08 It's like the quatrains, you know. It's an excellent point. I'll tell you the other thing about Q is so politically oriented. And it was just, you know, it had this Trump thrust to it. And it's interesting. It was like a counterbalance against some of the weirder things that were coming out. And it's fascinating to me that WikiLeaks became such a factor. If you look at the election of 2016, they were releasing weekly these data dumps from the Hillary Clinton campaign. That's what took her down and put Trump in. There's no question in my mind. If it hadn't been for that, then forget it. And Assange's reward was he went to prison for many years, right? It's very, interesting, though, if you go back and you look at that data dump, something very strange was in it that relates directly to the space wars that were in in 2026, which is General McCasland. He's brought up by Tom DeLong to John Podesta, who is Clinton's campaign manager.

Starting point is 01:09:06 I don't have to go into the sort of history of John Podesta to know you were fetched territory immediately. But Podesta says, what have you got in relation to McCasland? Pedesta goes back to the Clinton administration won in the 1990s, and he's like, the truth is out there, I need those X-Files, and his brother is really into Crowley, right? So you got the UFO file and Crowley heading up to this 2016 election. DeLong says, look, this guy is in charge of the Roswell crash materials. Now, he's saying this in 2016. Roswell Crash is 1947.

Starting point is 01:09:44 that means they've been studying that arc there for 75 some odd years. Yeah. And they're still studying what crashed there, right? We're talking about the advanced technology off the hook. And he's the top of the program. He's the one who says, I can help you with this. And I think they get along is kind of the, you know, the bobo that they can put out there. And if the whole thing goes down, they can just say, oh, he was a coked up.

Starting point is 01:10:10 Oh, yeah. He's the sin eater. Yeah. Exactly. One of my earliest and favorite memories is I had a debate set up with him in 2016. It was vice that did it. And I showed up for it and he didn't show up. He did an interview later and he said, oh, no, I'm not going in for it. And I did my whole thing on Tom DeLong in 2016. So there's weird little things going on there in the background. But I'll say this about the DeLong thing. McCaslin's in there. He's the guy in charge. He's been working. at Wright Patterson. Wright Patterson has the blue room. That's where all the advanced UFO file technology is kept at least some of the most important parts of it. Senator Barry Goldwater tries to get an answer from his friend Curtis LeMay about that. And Curtis LeMay, the Psycho X General Joint Chiefs, who wanted a fire bomb. He's the one I wanted to nuke Japan. He says,

Starting point is 01:11:08 if you ever ask me that again, I'll never speak to you. So at Goldwater, is like, look, I'm American citizen, taxpayer, I'm a former presidential candidate, you're my best friend, tell me about what's going on in the blue room at Wright Patterson. He says, I'm telling you, never mentioned it again, I won't speak to. So that's the level of secrecy. That's the ex-protect secrecy level that they have. Well, who was in charge of that program at Wright Patterson, General McCaskillen? Now, it's very interesting. General McCasland, three days after President Trump says, I'm putting out all of this disclosure material. And he does that in response to Obama coming out on this podcast and saying, yeah, there are

Starting point is 01:11:48 aliens, but they're not at Area 51. It's a weird pattern to how this year starts. And in fact, it kicks off in December of 2025 with the death of Nuno Larero, who's an MIT professor over here who was in charge of the plasma lab. And his death, he died shot in his porch in Brookline. And I can tell you that Brookline is like the most buttoned-up community you can imagine around Boston. And for this guy to be shot and then, you know, the assailant just disappears like that. The cops couldn't get at him was bizarre.

Starting point is 01:12:26 Eventually, of course, the assailant is found in a storage space in New Hampshire with a bullet in his head and a tape that says, oh, I did it because I resented Lerrero and all of his accomplishments. All this nonsense. and he was the Brown shooter, too. He had gone down there and shot up Brown University before he did this, so they should have been on his trail. It's the weirdest story, but I'll tell you. Is that the recent story?

Starting point is 01:12:49 It is. Yes. Oh, wow, he killed two people. I didn't know that. Yes. Yeah. He also, he's a very strange character because he is from Portugal, and he was studying higher physics himself over there.

Starting point is 01:13:06 And I think that they just altered this guy's train of thought and made him an MK assassin. No question. Also, if you see him, they have all these videotapes of him standing by in parking garages, trying to pick up his car and stuff. And he just looks like, you know, he's lit. He's lit with the intel instructions. But what I found interesting about the whole thing is when I was looking at these funerary notices and tributes and things online for Lerrero, I saw in the heart of all that information,

Starting point is 01:13:35 and somebody said, oh, Dr. LaRero, I worked with him so closely. His love of research of neutron star mergers was nowhere in his resume. This is the big key to how LaRero was targeted and killed. Neutron star mergers are like this incredibly secret line of research going on on the inside, scientifically right now, where you take a tiny piece of a collapsed star of a black hole and you bring it into the laboratory and reclassed. create the black hole. So the incredible power that it would take to collapse a star is at your fingertips. That's what he was working on. So, you know, he goes on his porch on some Brookline morning and the brown shooter takes him out, heads up 93, and he goes just over where you can

Starting point is 01:14:21 spit over the line of the border into New Hampshire. They obviously, you know, instructed him, make sure you're technically in New Hampshire before you off yourself. And yeah, the guy is just into New Hampshire. And then they find him or they're like, oh, he's dead. He's in a storage room. He's been there for three days. We don't know what the cause was or whatever. Larero, when I blast

Starting point is 01:14:45 out the background around Barrero, the whole missing scientists thing kicks in. And in the middle of that reporting, McCastland disappears. February 27. So General William Neal McAstland, who was in charge of the UFO file

Starting point is 01:15:01 and identified only because, of the UFO leak. I just put that together, dude. That's who you're talking about. Yes. Wow. Unbelievable. That's the string of disappearances. Whoa. Yeah. He's the guy. He's the head of the UFO file. And also with his knowledge as a general, a major general, and he's the top of the UFO file at Wright Patterson. And he works also in Albuquerque, Sandy Labs and the Kirtland, it's a national security crisis when he gets grabbed. And the morning, the way they describe, his morning is very strange too, because he's there, you know, he's at his house. His wife says, oh, I'm going to a doctor's appointment. I'll be back at noon. He gets into a fight with the guy who's putting in his solar panels. And he's like, oh, I'm going for a walk,

Starting point is 01:15:56 you know, after this fight. And he's a very mild-mannered guy. Never gets in a fight with anybody. Well, it turns out his assistant says he met with the Space Force the night before he disappeared and he was visibly upset. But she didn't know what had been taken place. They all went to dinner together. So Space Force met with them and was like, you know, you basically, you're going to have to spin the UFO file this way or you're going to have to disappear. And they made him disappear. That was basically the upshot. He left behind his phone.

Starting point is 01:16:25 He left behind his trackable, you know, smartwatch and all that kind of stuff. And this guy just goes out and disappears into Never, Neverland. That's the last we hear of the general. The general is still missing. That is insane. And when this was all happening, part of me said this feels like when all these holistic doctors started disappearing. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:55 And how it felt like they learned their lesson from COVID. like we can't let all these dissenting voices be heard and who is who's loose lips lucy you know like who do who do we have to worry about who's in enough know that they could go that and you know which fits in exactly what you're talking about like the spinning of it oh yeah yeah like who who could push back against our spin yes yeah excellent point well it's fascinating i'm glad you brought that up because it was so remarkable. And Dr. Bradstreet was the key one in that. And the way he was pushing this whole thing, which was called G.C. Math. And G.C. Math was like a cure for cancer. But apparently something about G.C. Maff ran contrary to what they wanted to do with the COVID-Op

Starting point is 01:17:53 a couple of years later. So you're right. They had to round up all those people who were involved in GCMath and just remove them off the board very unceremoniously. Now, in his case, it's interesting because he goes to his hotel room, because he's driving down there, he's going to give a lecture, and he's in South Carolina, and he, they say your hotel room's not ready yet, and he goes, okay, I'm going to go buy some lunch. So he goes, and he buys a bottle of wine, hummus, and some Peterbreadth. And he's heading back to his hotel room somewhere along the line. He decides, you know, I'm going to stop by the river, go over to this rock, and blow my brains in. and they find them in the river, you know, shot that way.

Starting point is 01:18:36 Now, that pattern of unexplained deaths, you know, hits a kind of crescendo and then then you get the COVID off exactly like what you're talking about. The missing scientists involved with the UFO file are a very, very strange case because you go all the way from 2021. And we had a guy, we had these secret space conferences. We had a guy named Mark McClendish. And he came on and he gave these incredibly powerful demonstrations. He was an artist for the Air Force for years.

Starting point is 01:19:09 And his dad had been involved in the secret design of UFO technology and all the rest. So he could draw these things. And he had a demonstrated history for years, even said where some of the craft were kept. So he comes back, you know, and he got threats. originally around 2016, 2017. He's like, I'm going underground,

Starting point is 01:19:30 forget about this stuff. So he comes to the four and he's like, oh, I'm coming back and he makes his first speech in three years, comes out and says, you know, I'm talking about these craft. And look at this guy's work,

Starting point is 01:19:42 by the way. Because if you look at the various E.T. craft that he described, they're quite remarkable. And with an artist's eye. So he dies. They find him dead. at his house and with a shotgun.

Starting point is 01:20:00 So another very interesting scientist, a young scientist, who's working on anti-gravity and her dad was part of the original paperclip program and worked for NASA. And she has an anti-gravity society in Huntsville, Alabama. She says, there's something wrong. I knew Mark. They took him out. And then she says, if I die that way, you will know that they took me out too.

Starting point is 01:20:23 And Amy Eskridge dies. Yeah, that chick, yeah, 100%. Yeah. So, you know, and they knew it was happening. By the way, she said the headquarters of the UFO file wasn't at Area 51. It was in Huntsville, Alabama, which- Johnny, have we been saying that forever on this show? Yeah, you have.

Starting point is 01:20:43 Yeah, I have. You did the Alabama show where you said it was like really not a good turn. So we did it. You've listened to show you my first story. They had us do a conspiracy show in Huntsville. and nobody showed up. And the sound guy came up to me and he goes, you got set up to fail, dude.

Starting point is 01:21:00 Oh. Because this is the real NASA, he said. He goes, up until the late 80s, you couldn't talk in Huntsville. You couldn't talk about how Von Braun was a Nazi because they had all convinced himself that he was forced to do it and he didn't want to.

Starting point is 01:21:17 Wow. It's where space camp is, right? Yeah. And again, again, it's, it's, it's, um, smoke and mirrors. Everyone look at Houston. Oh my God, Houston. It's everything's in, and I, I've been, you know, I played in Houston.

Starting point is 01:21:32 We did, I went with Johnny Bencourt, and we went around, looked at everything. And you look at what they're, they're displaying. You go, no, not possible. Wow. There's no way I'm believing any of this stuff, you know. Wow. So it's like everyone's looking at Houston. Here it is over at Huntsville.

Starting point is 01:21:49 You know, it's like area 51 is, you know, it's like, Area 51, that's where it is. They don't tell you 10 miles away is a mountain that's basically hollowed out where I think, you know, the men and black stuff really happens. Like that's where it really goes down. So I find, like everything you're saying is totally clicking with me. In particular, when you said when the guy asked his friend about the blue room, the guy's like, if you ever asked me again, I'll never talk to you.

Starting point is 01:22:16 Like, so people go, oh, nobody talked. So all these people working. NASA and nobody talked to you like because you don't get into that room unless they know that you're never going to say a word because they got something on you or

Starting point is 01:22:34 threaten your family or whatever that may be. You don't ever talk. It's not everybody. It's the small group of people who everything filters down from that are on lockdown. Yes. Yeah, absolutely.

Starting point is 01:22:50 It's funny. It reminds me because Oh, go ahead. No, no, I was remembering Amy Eskridge. Did she also say that she invented some kind of health pod or healing pot in the future, though, and was being thanked by... Well, she was the one who was talking about how there's two types of aliens in the future. Yeah, yeah. The P-52s and the P-47s, right? Yeah, like just the tech guy autistics and then the Chinese autistic.

Starting point is 01:23:17 So the future's autistic. I just remember. I see her. She talks about some kind of pod or something. And I wanted clarification on that because I I think of you're remembering is med beds. Yes, yes, that's it. Yeah, was she meant to have been the inventor of that in the future?

Starting point is 01:23:31 Is that the idea? What is that, though? Well, it's one of those UFO lore things that there are these beds that the grays have invented where you lie down in it and any ailments is solved. And there's a whole group inside of that kind of almost like greerish type UFO world that believes in that. I'm sure they have all kinds of

Starting point is 01:23:52 healing modalities on that level. You know, if you think about a lot of those contactees, when they have pain or discomfort, they look up at their controller there and they say, no, that's painful. And he puts his, you know, hand, the forefinger hand on the forehead. And they're like, oh, I don't feel anything, you know. So they do. They have strange healing powers. Eskridge said a lot of, you know, controversial things that went over the edge here,

Starting point is 01:24:17 over the edge there. But the fact is she brought forward the key aspect, which. is the ex-protect group is trying to stop the anti-gravity from coming out and they're trying to spin it this other way and they're getting rid of the researchers around it who are doing the good work and exposing it. This is the key thing that she put on the record. She's also very young. And the amount of things that she would have done, she was brilliant. Her dad, remember, came out of the paperclip, Huntsville thing. She knew things. Oh, man. Everyone's a descend of Nazis these are slave owners, every famous person.

Starting point is 01:24:55 Well, it's interesting to me because when I think about that, she had met with the two real intel people on the inside of the UFO file are hell put off in Lou Elizondo. I've had a number of shows outing Lou Elizondo as a CIA agent. Like five years later now, people are finally catching on. Oh, yeah, he works for James Clapper. Okay. Yeah, well, that should tell you everything you need to know.

Starting point is 01:25:18 that the UFO field is not savvy. They don't have the deep state research savvy. They're like, oh, yeah, the CIA wants to give us, you know, they really want to give us disclosure now. We're not going to be, you know, deceived anymore by these guys. So that that's the tough part when you look at them. What is interesting, though, is Elizondo met with Eskrich, and so did put off.

Starting point is 01:25:41 And they both said, we want access to your dad's anti-gravity technology work. And at first she was talking to them and she said, you know, what I want to do in these meetings is have an army friend of mine handy so that I can check things that you're talking about and they cut off communication with her instantly because whatever their op was, they couldn't do it in the presence of an actual,

Starting point is 01:26:04 somebody who knew thing. And I think that's very interesting story. And so what happened is she went on and she said, how put off is evil. This is her comment. It's on a video commentary. And she said, Lou Elizondo is evil. That's the way that she put it in relation to the work that she was doing.

Starting point is 01:26:22 So she dies and guess who comes out afterwards and says, oh, I'm being targeted and I'm like Amy Eskridge. Lou Elizondo. He's like, oh, I'm being targeted and I'm the next Amy Eskridge. And, you know, we have to watch out for these whistleblowers like me who give this truth out. Well, if anybody did any research around this, you know, Fox News did any research when they had this guy on, they'd realize, wait a minute, Amy Eskridge said you were evil. So she thinks you're evil, you know, you're nothing like Amy Eskridge. If anything, you're a CIA person who's spinning a UFO threat.

Starting point is 01:26:58 She was a UFO whistleblower. You know, that's your natural enemies. So this is the nature of the problem going on around the UFO file. And by the way, Lou now is in Washington, D.C. and he's working for something involved in the administration. And they're gearing him up in the background. We hear these things about him being the UAP Tsar. Well, if they put a CIA guy in charge of the public UFO file,

Starting point is 01:27:26 you know, kind of faux disclosure thing they're doing, then we're really in trouble. Make no mistake about it. And, you know, Elizondo is out there. Clapper runs him. Chris Mellon runs the money. He's the DOD billionaire. That's the block.

Starting point is 01:27:40 So everyone they roll out of that CIA circus, that is nothing to do with UFO disclosure. I see one of the things you wanted to talk about was trained whistleblowers. Yes. That was never more evident than when the Facebook whistleblower came out. And it just was so scripted. And she was getting, you know, you had a whistleblower after whistleblower either being offed or a It was like all this crazy. And then she does everything and nothing happens to her.

Starting point is 01:28:16 And it was so contrived to what she was saying. And we're always, we're always very quick to trust whistleblowers. We think they're laying their lives on the line. But sometimes it's, and maybe even a lot of times, it's controlled ops sent out to, to, to, yes, disseminate misinformation, disinformation. to kind of like manipulate in a what I always say a sorcerer's kind of way, the manipulation of energy, sorcery, and manipulate the way we see our world. Oh, no question about it.

Starting point is 01:28:55 And this is a crucial thing to think about because the elites need street cred. And this is the thing. They have all the technology. They have all the power, all the connections. but if the public, you know, 8 billion almost don't agree, then they can't corral 8 billion people. So they need the street cred. So if people come out as whistleblowers and actually give us the truth,

Starting point is 01:29:20 then that's a problem for them, right? And they've seen situations like that and they've tried to push those people off. But then they just create their own, right? So that now they have CIA whistleblowers who are like Jim Semi-van who've been abducted. Sam, he had a terrible abduction experience. The grades came and took him and his wife. Can you believe it? Now, he can be the face of abduction disclosure.

Starting point is 01:29:43 You don't need to talk to citizens. Talk to the CIA Jim Semivand guy who set up the TTSA. So they've really put their people in these key positions. All you have to do on the UFO side is call them out. And then people be like, oh, yeah, they're CIA people. Probably not going to tell me the truth. but instead they're they're pushed forward and they become the the paragon's of virtue and Fox News is like you know oh we love them and the podcast pop click type stuff yeah when they

Starting point is 01:30:15 start showing up on every podcast yes yeah they don't have the depth right that's the thing it's like out of nowhere they're just like everywhere and you're like how is this possible that someone I've never heard of two weeks ago is now on all the biggest podcast oh yeah and they're advisors to the Hollywood movies about disclosure, right? So age of disclosure has Lou Elizando's the voiceover guy. Oh my God. Really? And, you know, David Grush, who's the other whistleblower they put up. I've talked to him. He's the guy I mentioned at the beginning. By the way, I thought he was more honest than the others, but he couldn't get away from them, basically. And, you know, so they just... That's the guy who's just on Rogan, right? That everyone talks about with the reptilian.

Starting point is 01:31:01 in gray wars. Oh, yeah. I've talked to him, you know, and my conversation with him was very interesting because he played it like, yeah, you know, I'm the one. They told me, I'm the one who's chosen for this, you know. So they're playing with the mind. Yeah, they're playing the game. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:31:19 And he's somebody who, you know, he was like, oh, I've watched your show for years. I've looked for ex-protect, you know. I've tried to find ex-protect in the government. I have all this information. And so he thought he was coming in from. this good angle. And then Mellon and Lou and all these other people on the inside, coached him, massaged him into place. It's funny. I have to mention this. This is kind of talking out of school, but John Warner, the fourth, it came on my program, and he's a great guy. He is the son of

Starting point is 01:31:48 John Warner, who was the senator of Virginia, the late senator, and Elizabeth Taylor was his stepmother. And also, his mother is the heiress from the melon fortune. And this is a weird thing going on there because Chris Mellon comes out of the DoD billionaires club and he's part of that family. John Warner is the direct air of the Mellon's pushing for disclosure and the real thing. And then Chris Mellon over here being part of the DOD UFO threat world. Well, they're clashing with each other a lot. And I've seen a lot of their battles take place.

Starting point is 01:32:24 But one of the things that Warner told me, which I think is interesting, is he said, Chris Mellon took Grush, and there's like a Bilderberg type event for the Melons exclusively in Pennsylvania. They coached him and massaged him into place there. Now, you know, Warner, that event is called Rolling Rock. And Warner's from, you know, he's from that area. And Grush is from Pittsburgh. So, you know, that was a very easy thing when I put it out there. all Grush has to do is deny it, you know, did Mellon put you up to this, basically?

Starting point is 01:33:01 And he never denied it. So, oh, like you can't come out and say it. It reminds me very much of, do you guys remember the whistleblower we had that worked for James O'Keefe? And how he had come out and said that he found evidence that James O'Keefe had gone to Bohemian Grove. And then he got, somehow got on the phone on his show. and they recorded it and he brought it up and O'Keefe literally like froze. Like he didn't have a, he couldn't rebut it. And it was a really telling moment right there.

Starting point is 01:33:44 Like he, well, let's talk about all the other places I've gone. You're like, okay, that's not an answer. It's very interesting to me. It's very interesting. And like there is a trillion dollar off-Broadway production being produced to manipulate your soul, your energy, your perspective of the world you live in. And it's extensive. And it's at all levels of all things.

Starting point is 01:34:08 It's because, you know, when you bring up, you bring up the assassination of JFK and how that kind of was an elite coup to kind of like step in and take over, like 100%. Like everything goes sideways at that point. And they do it slowly. They can't, they can't go bang real quick. we'll be like, hey, dude, what was it? So it's a slow rollout, the corruption of our culture, the corruption of our, the poison of our food, water, air, all that stuff, the complete other corruption of our politicians. Like, I mean, even though the Warner Commission was most

Starting point is 01:34:45 likely a, you know, just a, you know, a production to get us not to talk about it, you know, or even when they interview the CIA, I forget the name of that hearing, but that, at least it seems like there was an attempt to get to something. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You don't see. No hearing now anyone has any faith in at all. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:35:07 No, the hearings now are like, you know, the Luna show and stuff. It's unfortunate. The other thing that's interesting about that, though, I'm glad you mentioned Kennedy because the thing that I've put forward with documentaries and things is that the Kennedy assassination is an aerospace crime. Yes, that was one of the funny. My favorite things ever said on the show when you told us that. That was amazing. It has to.

Starting point is 01:35:32 And this is the crucial thing. If they investigate in Congress, you know, around UFOs and they also investigate, they claim to investigate the JFK thing. They put out these files. But there's a lot of information that they didn't get to. They didn't ask a single question relating to why was the space program involved in the assassination. Look, go to the point of the assassination. Who is President Kennedy going to meet at the trademark? in Dallas. Lloyd Berkner, Lloyd Berkner is in charge of the Robertson UFO panel. He's the UFO guy. He's the guy

Starting point is 01:36:05 who's in the background. It's very strange. He's also the guy who went to Antarctica in 1928 with Admiral Bird. And Admiral Bird dedicates his book to him. Thank you for your companionship and coming with me as a 22-year-old radar operator to set up the first radio station in Antarctica. This guy sets off the international geophysical year. That is all these scientists. They're going to study the ionosphere in Antarctica. This is a massive movement of scientific information, and I think it's all related to the UFO file there.

Starting point is 01:36:40 Berkner in the heart of it. What does he do? He writes the man on the moon speech for Kennedy, and he writes, we choose to go to the moon and Mars in this century, in this decade, not because we have to because we want to. And it's interesting because Kennedy takes out the Mars part there. But Berkner, who's kind of lost to history, this is the guy who puts in Kennedy's ear,

Starting point is 01:37:05 this is how you have to present it. And Berkner, the ceremony that's going to happen at the trademark, it's very interesting. So they're having a helicopter fly in from Air Force One, the American flag that flies over the White House. And Kennedy is going to hand the flag to Berkner at this elaborate ceremony at the trademark. That's what he's heading to do when he's shot. Oh, wow. A window. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:37:32 And the window shot thing, that building there, the person who owns the building owns an experimental aerospace company. Whoa. You're in aerospace immediately. The guy that they grabbed for the crime, Lee Harvey Oswald, works. for in New Orleans before he comes to Texas. Guy Bannister. What did Guy Bannister do? He set up the UFO file for the FBI. Whoa. The UFO file is all over that crime. The minute you look at it, forget about Cubans, forget about the mafia, you know, and they have a new movie coming out, but the mafia did it, you know, they still have to get that narrative down. They have to get that

Starting point is 01:38:12 narrative. The Italian mafia did it. Yeah. Very, very, oh my God. It's so funny because I told you this last time. I was just coming up with shirts for our tour that we were doing. Tim Foll had comedy with me, XG and Eddie Bravo. And I came up with it. How could I combine everything into a Dallas shirt? And I put Ellie and shot JFK. And when you told me that, I was like, oh my God, that shirt is actually correct. Holy shit, dude. Classic. I remember that. I want to get in. I don't want to keep you much longer. Man, absolutely great episode. something very interesting came out today or not today but this week it was about how sydney sweeney is related to maryland monroe wow and to me this is a very this is this is

Starting point is 01:39:06 just them playing the same game only like the kids children the the the younger generations are manipulated uh you know again like they did with the kids children the the younger generations are manipulated uh you know again, like they did with the Gates program, you know, why they pick Jeff Bezos out of all of his siblings and cousins to be the one to take this program from DARPA, which I believe Amazon came from DARPA because his grandfather helped establish DARPA, you know, so why him, why Mark Zuckerberg? Why are they given him? His grandfather worked on the UFO program. There, like, it's all connected to this stuff.

Starting point is 01:39:46 So when we find out that Sydney Sweeney is a direct relation to Marilyn Monroe and how they, their storylines are so similar, dude. They're like now, especially with her boyfriend and like, is she a spy? Is she, you know, she's pushed out to cause cultural wars? What spy? What nation is she meant to be spying on behalf? I don't want to get into it right now. But the point of the matter is, okay. Got it.

Starting point is 01:40:13 Gotcha. that it seems to be almost like step and repeat in a weird way that they just use these archetypes over and over and over and over again and just so the reason I bring this up is because this story comes out of how you know they they're using all these 23 me companies to the story is defined the sentence of Jesus that's that's the story but I wonder if there's something even deeper than that when you brought up the Atlanteans and who might be relatives of the descendants of the Atlanteans

Starting point is 01:40:52 because you're talking about possibly tapping into pituitary glands and unlocking hidden information if that's part of it as well. Not that you can answer that, but does that kind of make sense in any way? That question goes so deep. That ricochet is, all kinds of interesting places.

Starting point is 01:41:16 In the readings, if you go deep on the mystery side, they say the Atlanteans have a beautiful, luminous presence. And you can feel that echo when you get into the Aryan type stuff when they do this in the German Nazi thing. They pick up the Nazi thing around Atlantis and they blend it in with their Nazism, which is ridiculous, right? But this is what they wanted to do. They're a great hunt on the inside.

Starting point is 01:41:43 to hunt for Atlantis. And, you know, this whole idea that the swastika and all that was the original ruin of the Atlanteans, all this kind of thing. So all of those groups and all those things that were around and their memories of Atlantis and all that were absolutely correct. What they saw, though, was Steiner was coming up and he was talking about Atlantis and he was talking about these things. And he was presenting it from like the Rosicrucian, Western initiatory Mystery School

Starting point is 01:42:12 tradition. He's bringing all this truth to society and they're like, no, no, it's just for the Aryans over here. So they have their own Guido von Least and no relation to me, but he comes forward and he's like, oh, I'm like my own version of Steiner for the Nazis. And so the Nazis go after Steiner and they burn down his headquarters, the Gertianum, to get rid of that competition. See, because when these two things come up together, the secret societies versus the mystery schools. There's the wars. There's a war between them, huh? Yeah. Yeah. And they're bringing forward the information.

Starting point is 01:42:49 The thing is, though, this presence that you're talking about, you know, that somebody like a Maryland or a Sydney-Sweeney would have is absolutely identified with Atlantic. You know, they have this whole thing in UFO lore about the Pleiadians, right? They're the beautiful ones. Grush, when he was talking to Rogan, he said, oh, the aliens that I saw that they showed me on videotape, they were beautiful and luminous. Oh, that's the Pleiadesians, right? That's the whole lore of the Pleadians.

Starting point is 01:43:14 And it's very interesting because the guy that brings that story forward is Billy Meyer. And he's like, oh, these Pleiadian science study group came to me in Switzerland. They gave me all this information. He puts out these really beautiful pictures and all this stuff. And then later he gets debunked as a fraud way down the line. So early on, even some of the hardcore UFO researchers were into this guy and what he was doing. But the stories of the luminous kind of DNA there coming either from the Atlanteans or the aliens is a hardcore factor. If you go further back and you go to a thing called the Cosmos Club, strangely enough, there's another one-armed man.

Starting point is 01:43:57 And his name is John Wesley Powell. Well, this guy becomes the center of all progressive scientific inquiry. and he forms the Cosmos Club. He was stationed as a Civil War guy in Cape Girardo, of all places. He's there for a decade. And he loses an arm in all that. And then he becomes out of nowhere, the person they sent to the Grand Canyon,

Starting point is 01:44:24 he develops all these relationships. And then he develops this relationship with a Paiute Indian named Wovoka. And Wovoka is this incredibly mystical Native American man. and something happens with John Wesley Powell because when he comes back to Washington, he's the toast of the town. They love him. They give him institutes. He's sent throughout the world representing America for incredible and national geographic society, everything. And John Wesley Powell, his relationship with the Cosmos Club, the Cosmos Club in the 20th and 21st century becomes the headquarters for UFO Bilderberg, all the main UFO guys

Starting point is 01:45:05 from J. Allen Heinek, you know, Carl Sagan, all those people, they're all part of the Cosmos Club. Cosmos Club is the initiatory group around the UFO file, and it comes out of John Wesley Powell, and all those people who are in the Cosmos Club are mentioned in some way, shape, or fashion around the airship stuff that happens in the late 19th century, where people see all these flying saucers all over America. So there's a really strange thread back there about, about, maybe somebody like Powell, it's interesting he was stationed in Cape Girardo because in 1941 they have the first like Roswell style crash where a crash, a saucer goes down, they rush to the site, they're at dead aliens, they get a priest, a fireman, all this stuff,

Starting point is 01:45:51 they all have memories. That story comes out years later. And the senator who's overseeing the whole thing is Harry Truman, who manages Majestic 12 eventually. So there's something about Cape Girardo with UFOs, and here we go. we've got Cape Girardo connection with John Wesley Powell, the airship mystery, and the Cosmos Club. Well, the Cosmos Club still exists. They're still right there in Washington, D.C. You know, people have weddings there and stuff like that. But there's no question that they were the focal point.

Starting point is 01:46:17 They were like the UFO Bilderberg. That is crazy. And I don't know if it was you. Someone came on at one point and talked about that NASA and the space program is the real intelligence agency. that that is the highest level above all of it. You know, I was going to ask you, and we'll wrap it up here. Like, I think, you know, whenever I watch something, they always, how the elites work,

Starting point is 01:46:45 they'll push out something and make you think that's it. Again, like Houston with NASA and Huntington, Huntsville, right? So I've been told that the CIA is kind of Houston. Like everyone, because all we talk about, is how much everybody hates the CIA. It's constantly getting beat. But the budget for NASA, NSA is way bigger than the CIA. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:47:14 And even within Q, and Q to me as I'm talking to you, makes me feel like revelation of the method, like almost like they're telling us what they're doing, because in some occult rules, they have to tell us that. So here you go. We're going to tell you what we're doing. I said it before, Q could easily be the elites telling us everything because they're going to reset the whole world, which seems what they're in the process to do. But the NSA, it seems like it's a bigger deal that nobody talks about.

Starting point is 01:47:45 And in Q, they talk about the war between the CIA and the NSA. And what are your thoughts on that? Like, is NASA the biggest? Is NSA bigger than CIA? Do you have any thoughts on that? Yeah, absolutely. You know, it's interesting because there's no question that NASA is set up to do the ultimate surveillance because they're up there. And this is the original Nazi space station idea that we can control things on the ground from above.

Starting point is 01:48:14 It's that simple. And their original space stations, you know, one of the memos that came out around 1949 when they're seeing these, you know, strange things going on, they're looking through telescopes in the national security state and they're saying, what are these things? So they have a meeting about it. These UFOs are cruising out in our orbit. And they have this meeting and it says, well, you know, the Nazis had a space station, right? You think that's just their space station operating up there? That's 1949, four years after the war.

Starting point is 01:48:44 They're thinking Nazi space station. So it is very strange when you bring it in on that level. I mentioned the John Warner guy earlier. His grandfather was Paul Mellon. and Paul Mellon, the deep, hardcore banker inside, son of Andrew Mellon, the secretary of the treasury. Well, he recounts a story to Warner where he says, you know, after the war, they blew me in there,

Starting point is 01:49:09 and I'm looking at the Nazi ruins, and inside the tunneled out mountains where they were building these craft. And I look around and they send me in, and I'm looking at a gigantic disc-shaped saucer. That's the diameter of two football fields. Whoa. All right. So what happened to that technique?

Starting point is 01:49:26 technology. Where did that go? We didn't see that. I mean, even stealth bombers and stuff, you know, that's not that. Yeah, we never got that, whatever that was. And that's directly from him in conversation. That's not, you know, some misinformation story from the CIA. That's an uncle, you know, grandfather talking to his grandson in private. I talk about my buddy Trevor Cavallo. He talks about how his father, during the end of his life, worked at the Chicago Art Institute or something like Institute of Technology.

Starting point is 01:50:00 It was a, and he was a handyman, and he got called down to a floor he's never been on, and he went down there, and this was just an average guy. You know, this was, you know, and he went down there, and he walked in, and he saw things he'd never seen before, what he describes as experiments being done on animals, and then he walks,

Starting point is 01:50:21 and there's this hangar. And in the hangar is this giant futuristic ship with green entities going all over it. And then all of a sudden he says, hey, why did you get here? And then, you know, he's got guns on him. And he's like, I'm the maintenance man. I was asked to fix something.

Starting point is 01:50:41 So then the rest of his life, while his father would travel, he would be going all over the world. He would randomly, during customs, get pulled in to a, room out of nowhere and just every time men in black would come in and go did you tell anybody did you tell anybody so the question becomes did they want him down there to tell everybody or was it an honest mistake like some people think that bob lazar there's a lot of that because you know

Starting point is 01:51:11 bill cooper's go i i realize they wanted me to tell people about yeah yeah the planted leak the planted leaked, dude. Very interesting. Yeah, it is. You know, I'll tell you a weird story. I was reading a biography of Bowie's producer, and he talks about a guy named Dennis Davis, who was the drummer for Bowie, you know, in like the early 80s or something, and just incredible drummer. He said, you know, I was in there mixing this album, and Dennis Davis, just, you know, he was a guy who worked at the Air Force in Texas before he became this kind of acclaimed drummer that we used. And, and, you know, he was in And he said, you know, I could not get through that session because he kept talking to me about the crass spaceships that he saw when he was at Carswell. And he's like, yeah, and he also said that there were bodies in there.

Starting point is 01:52:00 So you have people in these random places in society who've seen this stuff. And if you ever think about the original Roswell story and remember they had McCasteland studying that stuff 75 years after. when they find those eye beams that have the hieroglyphs on them, they're weightless and they levitate. So they're like, this memory metal. Well, it's very interesting because

Starting point is 01:52:29 one of the tricks to the whole missing scientist's story goes back to this woman named Monica Reza. Monica Reza was a famous NASA engineer and she was the assistant for General McCaslin when he worked at Wright Patterson. She developed something called Mondioy,

Starting point is 01:52:50 which got America back in the space game because it could withstand any heat. And this was, I think, part of the problem and why you have missing scientists showing up. She disappeared six months before Macasson. She goes, she's going on her hike climb there. Actually, you're in Los Angeles. This is in the Angeles Forest.

Starting point is 01:53:12 and she's doing her hike there. And she's going up that mountain. The team looks back at her. She waves. It's 9 o'clock in the morning. This is a track that she knows so, so well. They look back at her, she waves. They smile, move along a little bit.

Starting point is 01:53:27 Look back. She's gone. The only thing that's left is her hat. And nobody can find her. So they send the dogs out for the scent. The scent ends at the hat. So Monica Liza. The assistant in McCasland disappears six months earlier. What did she develop? Mondoloy. Would

Starting point is 01:53:49 she develop it out of the memory metal that people saw at Roswell, this thing that floated and had hieroglyphs on it? You couldn't bend it. It would come back into shape. You couldn't burn it. They did all these experiments with it. They have Jesse Marcel, the intelligence officer, who found it. He's the guy who gives us the Roswell story 30 years later. They never put out the Roswell story. That's the whole point. Nobody knew anything about it. If you look at all those books in the 60s and 70s, there's no Roswell because they kept the story hidden. And the memory metals, the factor, and so many people around Roswell, they had a vacuuming up operation that went on for years because they were afraid one person has this piece of memory

Starting point is 01:54:28 metal, and that destroys our whole edge, including the memory metal that came from the saucers. We can't have people having little cigar boxes with the stuff in it. And there are weird stories that come out of that, including the children of some of the intelligence officers, doing weird magic shows and stuff with this floating metal back in 1947. So, Mondaloy, the thing that she discovered and came up with, she patented it. She may have patented it out of school because eventually, yeah, they used it all right. And here's the interesting kind of epitaph on the whole thing. after she dies, guess what?

Starting point is 01:55:10 They make an announcement that Blue Origin and SpaceX won't be using that mandalae anymore because the fact that the person who made it died makes it not a complete product anymore, which means for some reason she had to be alive in order for the product to work. Whoa. Yeah, Monica Reza. That's the story. And, you know, in discussions with her family, I can tell you, I did this whole thing, this whole run with CNN and Rolling Stone wanted to know about the missing scientists.

Starting point is 01:55:42 It was the most freaky thing in the world, Sam, you can imagine CNN wanting to talk to me. This is incredible, ridiculous from a different universe completely. So they came to me and they said, we're going to do this whole story in the missing scientist. And then afterwards they were like, oh, you know, like exploiting the family's tragedy, all this stuff. So of the missing scientists, you know, we should just leave that story alone for the families. Look, the family of Monica Razor there is because the FBI never investigated her disappearance. So, you know, this is where it's at. I mean, those are war tactics, in my opinion.

Starting point is 01:56:19 100%. Everything's about the moralization. Yes. And raising your anxiety because you're easily more manipulated. Man, dark journalists, I could talk to you for. ever. This has been once again an amazing episode. One of my favorites, I mean, unbelievable

Starting point is 01:56:37 packed. It was great. Thanks for coming on. One more time. Can you tell them where they can find you? Absolutely. It's great, by the way, to be on here with you, Sam. You are too kind, dude. I'll tell you, if darkjournalist.com is the best place to find all of it.

Starting point is 01:56:55 Of course, on YouTube, dark journalist, and then ex-dark journalist, We do the show every Friday night, and the X series now is up to 240 episodes that are episodes, and then there's 100 supplementary episodes. It's like 340 episodes and then like 200 interviews. So that's all there for free on the YouTube channel available. And yeah, we're just going deep on Friday nights. And whenever we do interviews, you know, we put those on during the week.

Starting point is 01:57:26 Let's not let's go this long again. Please come back as soon as you got anything you want to talk about. I could talk to you forever. You really connect a lot of pieces and open my mind to a lot of ideas and different parts that maybe like in the conspiracy world. Sometimes we get so locked in in one way. Yeah. So I think it's important to see it all and be open-minded to it all that maybe we don't

Starting point is 01:57:52 have all the answers. It was excellent, dude. Things are coming on, man. Anytime all the time. I hope you guys enjoyed that like we did. And enjoy the highlight. Here's a clip from the latest broken sim. Did you see Burke Chrysher wants to put together a union for comedy after all this serious stuff?

Starting point is 01:58:09 What do you think of that? Yeah, I think it's a great idea. And then you just, what happens is how do you determine who gets in that union? And then it becomes, it becomes Hollywood, right? It becomes Hollywood. And now you have these unions destroying Hollywood. would with their demands, not what? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:58:34 I think it's a good idea, but it can, like unions were a great idea. And this is a great idea because these guys got screwed. But I don't really know what leg they have the stand on. Also, who are you negotiating? I mean, how many, it's not a ton of opportunities, right? Yeah, I mean, like, like, what are you going to tell the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they got to pay this much. exactly. What are you going to do?

Starting point is 01:59:03 This is the only, I'm going to play this from this source. This is the only place I could find the clip of him talking about it. Because I think it was an Instagram story that's expired. So you'll have to ignore this guy, whoever this is, talking over the clip. But this is Bert suggesting a union for comedians to form. Oh, cool. My name's Bert Kreischer. Put a shirt on.

Starting point is 01:59:24 And this message, so all the comedians, I think we should start a union. Let me know if you're in. I will do the legwork. I will get it started. I will hit up all the comics that can help fund it. And we will start a union to take care of everyone. So we never have the shit that happened this past week ever again to us. I love each and every one of you.

Starting point is 01:59:43 I hope you have great weekends. Also tag the clubs you're at in the comments so people can find out to follow where to go. See you. Let's start a fucking meeting. I love the sentiment. And that's why Bert's a good guy, regardless of what those people said on there. He's a good guy. I it just gets it's it's really hard out there right now especially for comedy clubs dude

Starting point is 02:00:06 it's really hard nobody's buying tickets to shows it's you know people are struggling and it i just don't understand i like i agree with the sentiment and i'll support it in whatever way i can but it just seems like it's going to be really hard it's going to be really hard Johnny, you're muted or gay. I can't tell. I can't hear you. Have you noticed everybody in the comments thinks everybody, anybody you bring up, he's not funny. That guy's not funny.

Starting point is 02:00:39 If you've ever seen Burke Kreischer at 10 o'clock at the comedy store, burn down the room, just everybody dying. He's one of the greatest storytellers of all time. Ever. You know? And it's just like,

Starting point is 02:00:54 I get a lot of shit for, but that doesn't mean you're not fun. Yeah, that's another thing. just because you don't particularly enjoy what he talks about doesn't mean he's not funny it's a big difference you know i i talked about this before the stavo bit that he does on trans i don't necessarily agree with him i don't i don't let me take you back i don't like i i don't look at trans like unicorns okay i just look at them as people and a lot of people on the left want to look at them like they're unicorns mystical beast i'm not that

Starting point is 02:01:29 that's not my thing. I just look at them at like their human beings doing their own shit, right? Like dealing with the realm in their own way. I don't really give a shit. And they're the only hot chicks who hit on me anymore. A couple, couple here and there, but really the trans are doing all the heavy lifting at this point. You know, so I don't, but even though I don't necessarily agree with his take on that, I think it's a perfect written joke. Like it's written structurally amazing. And it's like Stabi's a great comic. Like I was at the comedy store last night. What joke? I don't know what joke you're talking about man.

Starting point is 02:02:05 He did off his Netflix special. If you look up Stavi, it's right there. It's promoting his show. And it's like a, I think it's a perfectly written bit. It's like some people don't like it because they're like tired of the trans shit. I don't care. Live your life. You know, I don't even give shit. But structurally, and that's what I look at. I don't look at the laugh. The laugh doesn't mean anything to me because that's the bare minimum. You got to get a laugh. Okay. Lafters, that's bare minimum.

Starting point is 02:02:37 But for me, dude, how did you get the laugh matters? And that's all I really care about. So it's like I think that's a big reason. Yeah, I think that's, uh, that's it right there. People are homophobic right now. If culture is a little homophobic, it's really transphobic too, which I don't get either. You know, there's like 80 trans people total and half the country wants to be very root. them for some reason.

Starting point is 02:03:03 Well, why is it such a big deal if there's so little of them? It's God's will. I know what that's like. I'm a test tube baby. God didn't want me here. Fuck you, dude. Yeah. That's going to come back. Fuck you.

Starting point is 02:03:16 Flipping off God. You were born the body of a man and became a sexy lady. That's what Oppenheimer should have been about. That's. Do you see how everything's just set up to a punchline? As soon as trans guys figure out beards that connect, I'm the first person assigned. up, look at these.

Starting point is 02:03:33 Look at these rosy-ass cheeks, dude. I have the cheeks of a minor Disney character. I didn't understand that, joke. I have the cheeks of a helpful cobbler. But do you see how everything is a punch? They went this way, Bill. Everything is a punchline.

Starting point is 02:03:49 Structurally, it's an amazing joke. Yeah, no, I am with you. And it's not like, I mean, he's not like Bill Hicks or something where everything is a political statement either. That was the thing. Well, you don't need it to be a political. Who wants everybody doing that? No, nobody. No, that's my point, though.

Starting point is 02:04:06 But what I'm saying is you can't take their comedy as a political statement because they're not Hicks. If Hicks said it, then you'd be like, yeah, he probably believes that. Let's debate it. Right. You know, I think Stavi believes what he's saying because he's a progressive, you know, but it's because you don't. It's just not, it's comedy. Like, it's not. For me, dude, it's like, can I enjoy the joke when I don't necessarily.

Starting point is 02:04:31 agree with what's being said and in a sense that I don't think they're magical. I just think they're people. But I can watch it and go structurally. That's a great bit. I got you. Yeah. And I agree it too. And that's my whole thing when,

Starting point is 02:04:45 when, you know, we got people saying this comic is it. The problem with most people is if they don't agree with the premise, that means it's not funny. Yes. When it's like, why don't you hear him out and see if he finds funny and something you may not

Starting point is 02:04:58 necessarily agree with, which is what. comedy was about. Comedy was about putting a mirror up to you and showing you your faults, your blemishes, you know, and now, now, now that's a capital punishment.

Starting point is 02:05:13 And then all these white people are coming out just shitting on white guys. And that at the end of the day is really what it's about. Tell me if you think Seinfeld, Seinfeld, uh, on stage when he was being. Okay. I love to talk about this.

Starting point is 02:05:31 there's a lot going on here. imagine. Imagine Johnny paying $3 to $500 a hero. Imagine Johnny paying $3 to $500 a hero. What's up? I'd be like, imagine that. I'd be like, imagine that. I mean, you, hold on. Can you hear it? Because he just, I did hear it. I've seen it clear. I don't know.

Starting point is 02:06:07 Sam, obviously, we don't know if anybody in the audience has. Okay. I'll shut up. I mean, just, I want you to hear that. He said something kind of nasty here, and I, you were talking. You were talking. Stop! Up her up!

Starting point is 02:06:28 Seinfeld! Seinfeld! Seinfeld! Listen to me. You're a racist. There are 74,000 dead Palestinians. 74,000 Palestinians have been killed by the racist state of Israel. Shave on this of children.

Starting point is 02:06:59 Sheave on you. Save on you. Do you think that Seinfeld, do you think that Seinfeld, when he got offstage, there was. a text from Michael Richards going, hey, I'm here if you need to talk. That was, that was, I mean, that was intense, dude. So do you remember when Michael Richards did his thing and Dave Chappelle said the funniest thing about it? And he was that, he was that he realized that he might be more comedian than black. Because he goes, the black part of him was like, that's wrong.

Starting point is 02:07:41 He shouldn't have done that. But the comedian in him was like, oh, dude, that guys have a bad set, you know. Yeah, that's so funny. I thought you were saying Michael Richard said that. I think Seinfeld's a scumbag. You know, I personally think that I don't like him. I don't like anything about them. Part of me is like, oh, these hecklers, you know, even though I agree with what they're saying to a point.

Starting point is 02:08:08 Because like, didn't Seinfeld go to like Gaza camp in Israel? They showed pictures. Al Jazeera stitched him up there. They showed pictures in that clip that they cut together of him, like, posing with IDF, like, yeah, yeah. It's like, you kiss my ass, dude. So, and here's where I'm going to defend him, okay? I'm going to defend him that what he said there is being taken out of context in the sense that he was being sarcastic. Oh, of course.

Starting point is 02:08:38 He's, dude, he's trying to heckle kill. I mean, he's doing whatever. he keeps pulling everything he can. Yeah, so it's like, when your girlfriend's like, you don't listen to me, and you're like, I don't listen to you. I don't listen to you because you're tired of hearing it. If you'd like to hear the rest of this episode,

Starting point is 02:08:55 subscribe to Broken Simulation in your podcasting app or check us out at YouTube.com slash Sam Tripoli. You go deep, home boy. Eric, open your mind. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some inter-dimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron.

Starting point is 02:09:21 This is only the beginning. Dude, you just blew my mind. Tim Foil hack.

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