Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #183: The Phoenix Program With Douglas Valentine

Episode Date: April 19, 2019

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I'm not too bad. I noticed the guy's sitting next to you has a Yankee hat on. I was wondering about that, you know? I don't know. I just saw this. I did not know he's a Yankee fan. This will be his last show. So if you know he's, I guess that's the equivalent of a tinfoil hat.

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Douglas I feel like Doug is fun okay Douglas do you tell us about your book real quick? Well, it's the culmination of a couple of books. It's called the CIA. It's organized crime. And it's a culmination of my writing career, which started with a book about my father, who was a prisoner of war and World War II. And after that I wanted to write about the Vietnam War. So I wrote a book called the Phoenix Program, which was

about a CIA operation in Vietnam. And a guy named William Colby was the one that helped me do that. Colby had been a director of the Central Intelligence Agency. From, I guess it was 73 to 75, but in Vietnam, he'd been sort of the overseer of the Phoenix program. And I sent him a copy of the book. I wrote about my father, and he liked it. And so he introduced me. Colby introduced me to a lot of CIA officers who'd been in the Phoenix program. And this was kind of like giving me the keys to the CIA

because he'd been a director of the CIA. All these guys that he referred to me to, pretty much, felt that they could forget about their oath, their secrecy oaths. So they told me every, all the secrets of the their their their their their their their their their their their their, and their, and their, and their, and their, their, and their, their, and their, and their, their, and their, and their, and their, their, and the, and the, and the, and to me, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and to, and to, and to, and to, and to, and to, and to, toe, toe, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their thin, thin, thin, thinnexeaniiiiiiiiiauiniauiiauiii., theaniii., theani.eanks, the, the, forget about their oath, their secrecy oath. So they told me all the secrets of the CIA. And it took me four years to write that book, and when it was done, they all hated me. Oh my God.

They thought I was like some, you know, Junior G-Ban or something, because, you know, Colian had referred me to them, but I ended up doing a critical, their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi.a, thi.a, thi.a, toge, toge, toge, toge, toge, toge, toge, toe, toge, toe, the, Colian had referred me to him, but I ended up doing a critical book, and so I got on their bad side. But after that I wrote two more books, both about the CIA's involvement in international drug trafficking. Oh yeah. The first one was called the Strength of a Wolf and it covered the period, actually from before the CIA was created, but up until 1968. And then the second book is called the Strength of the Pack, and it was about from 1968, up

until pretty much the present time, and it documents all the important facts of the CIA's involvement in drug trafficking, which goes back to its origins in World War II and an organization called the Office of Strategic Services, which is really the place that you got to begin. Because in order to understand the CIA, you have to understand its historical arc. You have to be able to see where it began, why it began, what its purposes were in the beginning, and then track it up until, you know, as thoroughly and as much as far as you can. And once you do that, you get an idea of where it's at today. Okay, so I brought together in this book, the CIA is organized crime. All the information that I had gathered before in those previous books, plus some new information and put it all together, and I was wondering what to call it in and the publisher said something like, man,

this is all about organized crime. Yeah. CIA is just like, it's the organized crime branch of the United States, which is why it's secret. Because if you knew what it was doing, that, you know, all the people that are doing these things would be, would be convicted of breaking a lot of crimes and breaking a lot of laws and committing a lot of crimes. So came up with this title of the CIA's organized crime and it really, it's really a fitting term. And if you want me to explain, know some of the the details of this thing I can try to weave together some some threads and I'm always interested

in that for sure for you where do you want to start we want to start just say in the origins of it where where does the CIA start you mentioned a little the OSS but why don't we start there and we'll just go? as to go as to this? It's to to to to to to to this? It? It? It? It? It? I the the the the the the the the the the the the the try? I try? I try? I try? I try? I try? I try try try try, try? I can try try the the the the the th the th th th th try I try I try I try I try I try, I try, I I try, I I try? I I try? I I try? I try? I try? I try? I try? I try? I try? I try? I try, try, try try try try try try try try try try to to try to to try to try to to try to try to to try try try try try trythe CIA start? You mentioned it a little the OSS, but why don't we start there and we'll just go till we can get to the end or feel like we've nailed it. I'm really open-minded wherever you want to go. I find this just fascinating that you discuss all this, because I'm always like, I do this. My girlfriend's like, when's a guy in a dark suit gonna show up to our house? And I'm like, I'm like the thousandth million dude on the line.

You seem to be a little bit closer, a little higher up on the ranks. Are you at all worried? You know, they kept a file on the, uh, congratulations on that, by the way. That's got to be cool to know you got a file their, but, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's that's, thi. that's, th. that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's th. th. that's, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. that's the. that, that, that, that, that, that, the. that, thee. that, the. the. the. the. the cool to know you got a file there but yeah they were very interested at me and they and one of the documents they said you know about they called me bad news Valentine you have a name dude how cool is that man when you meet women do you go hey they call me bad news but anyway it's actually very serious stuff and of course it was a very serious stuff. Of course. It was a very serious organization in the beginning. This Office of Strategic Services, which was created

by President Franklin Roosevelt in World War II. To do things, I mean, and we all know that World War II is very serious business. The United States was fighting the Germans and the Italians in Europe, and it was fighting the Japanese and Asia. Every guy who was draughtable was going off to war and joining the army. And it was like just, the military had the invasion of Normandy and invasion of Italy of just huge battles and MacArthur out in the in the Far East was island hopping, you know through the through the Pacific trying to get into fight the Japanese just horrible horrendous sorts of battles. And so it's a very serious thing, and France was occupied. And the United States government

needed intelligence in the areas of the world that were occupied by the Japanese and by the Germans. What's the United States military couldn't get into. So it created this Office of Strategic Services, the OSS. And this guy who was, who I went to, Colby, the CIA director, had actually been in the OSS. And he had parachuted the, into France and worked with the French resistance. I mean, they did heroic things. And one of the guys that he introduced me to, a guy named Evan Parker, had also been in the OSS.

And he was in Burma, where they organized what were called this Kachin tribe up in Burma to fight the Japanese in Burma. And one of the things that the OSS did in Burma, these Koching guerrillasillass, wouldn guerrillass, wouldn, wouldn, wouldn, w. the Japanese, the Japanese, the Japanese, the Japanese, the Japanese, the Japanese, the Japanese, the Japanese in Burma. And one of the things that the OSS did in Burma, these Koch and guerrillas, wouldn't you fight the Japanese unless the OSS provided them with opium. And this is not the sort of thing. Here we go. Here we go. This is one of the reasons why the OSS is created because, you know, technically the United States

military is not allowed to do things, but if you have a secret organization like the OSS, then it can do these sorts of things that are what nowadays people refer to as extra legal. And what are the other things that the OSS was a... I think it's called black ops now, right? They call a lot of it black ops? th..... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. things that the OSS was a... I think it's called black ops now, right? They call a lot of it black ops? Yeah, you know, I mean that's sort of the, um, the military and the CIA when they when they do something that's, um, absolutely nobody's ever supposed to know about they call the black up. Because everybody knows, they're doing black ops all over the world. Yeah. You're just not supposed to know about the specific ones. Can I ask something real quick, Douglas, real quick. Is there, you know, I was always told

that the CIA or that what we know of it now was also a continuation of a Nazis and how they had their own intelligence groups. And that we, obviously, when World War II and the international banks pulled their funding from the Germans and that whole thing collapsed, we kind of had an expansion draft where we got to pick the best, who wants the best Nazis, and we took the ones and they helped kind of form what we kind of know as the CIA now. Is that? Oh yeah, that's absolutely true. Because when the war was over,

the United States occupied Germany and West Germany. And the Russians, the Soviet Union occupied East Germany. And in the countries that the United States occupied and was supporting with a lot of financial aid, a lot of these countries had been devastated by the war, the aid that they gained with strings attached, and one of the strings that was attached was that the CIA would organize the police forces in these countries. And they would get all the intelligence that these police forces were acquiring on political figures.

And also they would organize the intelligence services of these countries. And it's what they did in Germany. And in putting together the police and intelligence forces in Germany and a lot of other countries after World War II, they hired all the fascists. Because in the days after World War II, we weren't fighting the fascists to help fight the communists. And it was the communists who, you know, basically, they were basically, the communists, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the the the the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, weren't fighting the fascists anymore. Now we were hiring the fascists to help fight the communists. And it was the communists who, you know, basically, especially in Europe and in China, had defeated the fascists. So now, so people, and this is one of the things that the US did, it worked with the

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isn't fighting political wars. You know, when the war was over, the military basically went away. So now you needed a secret organization that could organize police and intelligence forces in Europe and around the world in order to fight against the Soviet Union. So that became the job of the CIA. And in doing this, they not only hired the fascists, you know, they also hired the people that they had worked with in World War II,

who were part of organized crime. I mean, actually, the mafia. I'm sure you've heard of this but in World War 2 there was something called the Luciano project. No. In which the OSS actually hired mafiosos to help them in the invasion of Europe in Italy and especially and when they were invading Italy, all the whole sorts of mafia guys went along with the invasion fleet and started organizing political forces and the Christian Democrats and stuff like that in Italy so that when the war was over, they would have people, and they

were fighting the communist who would serve the United States. And those connections, which the OSS formed with organized crime, the mafia, and World War II, exist to this den. And they never gave them up. And just to give you an example, you know, when the CIA wanted to assassinate Fidel Castro, who did they call it? They called on Santo Trafficante, who was the biggest drug dealer, it was amazing drug

dealer out of Tampa, Florida. And his father had organized the drug business in Cuba in the 1930s and 40s, and that was Santo Sr. and Santo Jr. took over the business in the late 1940s. And in 1961, when the CIA wanted to assassinate Cuba, they hired Santo Tropicante to do the job. Now this guy's Santo Tropicani was bringing important tons of drugs through Cuba into Florida through the 1940s and 1950s.

Mafioso bosses from New York and Los Angeles and Kansas City all across with country would come down to Tampa and they would actually have an auction. This guy, Trafficani would, would come down to Tampa, and they would actually have an auction. This guy, Trafficani, would sell the drugs to the highest bidders, you know, and they would carve up pieces of it and take it back to their cities. Oh my God.

Because this guy, because this guy, Trappicante helped the CIA in the assassination plot of Del Castro, he was never convicted of drug trafficking charges in his entire life. He always worked for the CIA. And it's the same thing, and this is what happened like with Noriega in Panama. I mean, these, when the CIA wants to get intelligence on, you know, uh, American enemies and foreign nations, they try to, they often do it through drug traffers. And so, so all these, this is why is is is is is why is why is why is why is why is why is why is why is why is why is why is why th is why th, th, th, th, th, thi is why, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the, the, the, the, the, the, their the, their their their the, their their their the, their, their, their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. thr. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the th. the the the the the the their the the their the try to, they often do it through drug traffickers. And so, so all these, this is why I refer to the CIA as the organized crime branch. I mean, if you look at, uh, with Mexico right now, we had El Chappo, who they found out, had donated $15 million to the Clinton Foundation. And when you really take a look to it, El Chappo was just just a th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. th. th. th. T. T. T. T. th. th. th. This is th. This is th. This is th. This is th. This is th. This is th. This is th. This is th. This is th. This is th. This is th. This is th. This is th. This is th. th. th. th. th. T. th. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. th. T. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. This is Foundation. And when you really take a look at it, El Chappo was just a district manager at that point.

You know, he's running, you know, the CIA's business in this city. And then there's another district manager in another city and we just, you don't get in to the United States. And there's a new leader now. Yeah, I mean, the old guy's gone so new, they get, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, a new leader now. Yeah, I mean, the old guy's gone so new. They get it, you know what they have outside of that Mexican mafia place under new management. They have a banner says under new management and they got a new thing going on. And it's just a way it's, that's just the history of this stuff and that's it's crazy man. Well, sure. And the drug traffic is inextricably connected to the arms traffic.

And most of the arms that go into Mexico come from the United States. You know, people talk about, well, there's tons of drugs pouring into the United States, the other side of the coin, is that there's tons of arms being smuggled into Mexico from the United States, which destabilizes the country. And when they tracked the weapons, there was, you know, a big, fast infuriate. Yeah. Obama. In the Obama administration of how all these guns were being funneled to the drug traffickers. And if you don't think that that's to the drug traffickers. And if you don't think that that's what enables the drug traffickers to create their little drug trafficking industries.

You know, I mean, well, I got another thing coming, but that's how they destabilize Mexico. And they're able to keep the pot boiling so that the citizens of Mexico can never gain any kind of political traction to actually exercise. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to to to to to to to to the. thra. that to to to to create to create to create to create to create to create to create to create to create to create to create to create to create to create to create to create to create to create to create to create their the. the. the. the. the. they they they they they they they they they they they they they they their their the pot boiling so that the citizens of Mexico can never gain any kind of political traction to actually exercise their will. You know, they corrupt politicians, you know, all over the world. We get them to do the CI's bidding. This is exactly what happened in Vietnam during the Vietnam War. One of the guys that Kby introduced me to was a guy named Tom Donahue who ran what were called the covert action programs in

South Vietnam from 1964 to 1966 and in his in his position as this you know senior CIA guy who was running all their covert action programs. He was, he worked with a guy who was the-t. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the the, the, the, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they-c., they-c. they-c. they-c. they-c. they-c. they-c. th. theea. theeateate, th. theeeat, th. they, they, the, they, they, they, senior CIA guy who was running all their covert action programs. He was, he worked with a guy who was the, the South Vietnamese Minister of Interior and they had a new Minister of Interior every four or five months. And he said, the first thing the guy would say to me is, so how much drugs are you going to deliver to me? Every month from Laos, you know, I mean, they weren't doing this. They weren't fighting for the Americans in South Vietnam because they were, they loved America. They did it because the CIA was providing them with drugs.

And they actually, the CIA actually ran the drug industry in Laos and the golden triangle all throughout the world, where they organized an army, a secretare the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. the. the, thos and the Golden Triangle, all throughout the world, where they organized an army, a secret army called the Secret Army. Yeah, and it was just like these coching guerrillas in Burma. The general was Van Pau, and they created an airline for him, especially so he could fly drugs out of the golden triangle where, you know, where the drugs were being processed into heroin and fly to people like Santo Traffikanti, who shows up in Vietnam in 1968 and gets a connection to Van Pauvue and the South Vietnamese generals. And this is all the CIA setting

these things up, protecting them, you know, absolutely protecting them from journalists writing about it. You know, I mean, any journalist who wandered into Laos at that time, you know, you know, it was lucky to escape with his life, you know, I mean, you're not a lot it's secret stuff, you know. I actually interviewed. I went to escape with his life. You know, I mean, you're not a lot. It's secret stuff, you know, I actually interviewed. I went to Thailand and interviewed some of the CIA guys who were involved in that. It's amazing to hear the stories they tell about this stuff that was going on. When you, uh, I threw some of the notes you sent me, you said you wanted to talk a little bit about Evan Parker and his whole part of th..... th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I was, thi. I was, thi. I was, to to to to thi. I was to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I was their their their their their they. I they. I ti. I ti. I they. I went. I went. I went they. I went their their their their to to to talk a little bit about Evan Parker and his whole and that whole part of this story. What would what who is Evan Parker and what's his role in this whole thing? Okay, one of the first person that William Colby

referred me to was this fellow Evan Parker who had been the first director of the Phoenix program in South Vietnam. That starts in June of 1967. Evan Parker, as I mentioned, had been in the OSS as well, and him and Colby had been buddies in the OSS. The OSS was basically formed by out of establishment figures. Colby went to Princeton. He was a Princeton graduate. This guy, Evan Parker, went to... I believe schools, man. Yeah, another Ivy League school. The guy who actually created the Phoenix program, Nelson Brickham, who I interviewed, like, over a period of days.

Graduated Magnicum Lab from Yale. And, the guy, like, over a period of days, graduated Magnicum Lob from Yale. And the guy I just mentioned before, Donoghue, went to Columbia, all Ivy League colleges. So, so Evan Parker is part of this, you know, establishment elite crowd, where these guys go to Fox Trot dances. Yeah, we know that most, if you guys listen to the podcast, we know that the Ivy League schools are basically funded, founded by

Oak families who basically ran the opium trade, the skull and crossbones created by OPE, the Russell family. I mean, when you start learning this stuff, is mind-blowing when you start to actually go, hold on dude, the opium basically helped create the power structure of the United States. There's been a drug war since this country started. Let me tell you what it's like to meet one of these guys and actually be in their presence. It's interesting and it's educational, you know, and I've met probably interviewed 150 CIA officers of my life. Yeah, most people never ever meet one.

You know, knowingly. I hung out with these guys in 20 years and they're from across the board. Anyway, Colby sends me to Parker and he's living down in Maryland and I think it was Rockville or something like that. And I go down to his house and it's just nice little suburban neighborhood like a little colonial house and and he had just had a stroke. nice little suburban neighborhood like a little colonial, white colonial house and he had just had a stroke. He was probably 65 at the time and he invites me to his house. He was his wife had passed away and I don't know if the son was still living there but he invited me up to a little den that in on the second floor.

We sat there and we talked about Welch poetry for like an hour. And he had this little coffee table in the den and there were a bunch of documents on it. He got to like me. You know, I never asked him any questions. We were just, you know, being like establishment people, you know, chatting it up. And he said, I'm going to go down and get us some tea and some cookies and I'll be gone for about 15 minutes. Wow, that's interesting. So I hope he walks out of the room and he winks and I opened the first document and it was

a roster of everybody who had been in the Phoenix program when it started, about 40 names. Oh my God. They're military rank, whether they were CIA, and so I furiously write down all these things. And I hear from downstairs he calls up and goes, duh. The key is ready and I'm coming up, you know, and so I put my notes away and closed this little folder that he had on his table. And we just talked for the rest of the day about other things. Never once talked about Phoenix, but he did agree to see me a second time.

And this is the tallying incident that I want to tell you about. He invited me to the Fort Myers Officers Club to meet another guy who had been in the Phoenix program. And so we drove over there from his house together. And it was this really, really bitter cold day in February. And there was snow and ice all over the place. And we parked in a parking lot that was above the officer's clothing. We had a walk down wooden stairs that had a little cutback about halfway down and went to the officer's club. And he had had a stroke and he's like six three and he's a big ruddy guy and had this nice wool overcoat on and I was dressed very nicely too. We're going to the

officers club so you know it's almost like you got to wear a tuxedo. Right. We get down to this landing and I'm holding his arm you know because he's kind of a feeble old guy in a way and he's standing there and he said you know by this point I really truc. he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he to really to really to really to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thr. the the the the the the the the the thru. the the thru. thrown. thrown. he's standing there and he said, you know, by this point I really trust him. And he said, you know what, I was in the OSS. They told us someday you're going to parachute into France and you're going to be in a farmhouse in the countryside with members of the resistance. And you're going to be planning how to blow up a German train, carrying ammunition. And as you're discussing your plans, you notice that in another room,

there's an eight year old boy listening to what you're talking about. And Parker is just, like I said, it's this wintry mix of sleet and snow in the air and his face was just red. And he looks off into the sky and he's you know with this look on us like just totally forlorn look on his face and he says well you know what you got to do and I thought to myself I know what I got to do I got to push you you down the rest of the stuff. But instead you know I them this knowing look like,

yeah, I understand the horrors, the horrible things that you guys have to deal with, how your consciences, what you, you know, the load that you have to carry around, the burden that you have to carry around, you know, and we each looked at each other and knowingly and went down to dinner. But that's, that's the, how dirty this thing goes. Yeah, I, did you, I'm trusted me. Did you, uh, confess to, to, to, this is what you have to do. And this, that's just, you know, I mean, you can talk about drug smuggling and drug trafficking and it seems kind of unreal. But these things have consequences. You know the drugs go to freeway Ricky out in

LA. Yeah, we've had freeway one Ricky on the show. The kids on the street. Yeah. You know, again it's just you know, I mean the people who are suffering from the CIA crimes are not necessarily the bad guys. They're not at all. It's people who just want to live their lives in the countries where America has no business being. And there's a lot of innocent people they get caught up on this. Excuse me, I got a call. It's fine, man. Yeah, I'm with you. Did you have you found that as you meet these guys are somewhat aging, that their past is starting to just really mess with their psyche, and that they're kind of regretting the things that they've done. And at the end of the day that maybe being honest with you somewhat is helping them to, you know, deal with the pain and maybe absolve them of their sins.

That if they're honest with people about what really happened, that maybe if they pass on that they won't be seen as these horrible people or a lot of pressure will be taken off of their consciousness if they own up to what they did? Well I would say that it's based on my experience. It's probably a mix of 50-50. It would be the same if you went into the seal team six, you know, the Navy seals. You would find that half of the guys have a conscience. And they're the ones that are there because the other half have no conscience at all. I mean, they're just stone killers. If these guys weren't Navy SEals, they'd be robbing banks and dealing drugs

and just slaughtering people on the street. They're sociopaths, they're psychopaths. So you need a mix. You need some people that give these guys direction and stop them from doing the stuff that they would do if there was nothing. They just gone, yeah, they just gone a rampage. Like, let me tell you about this guy that I met in Thailand. I can listen to you talk all day.

Yeah, no, so there was this famous guy named Tony Poe, Tony Poe-Poshekne, okay? Anthony Poshephny, his father had been an admiral in the Navy. Tony Poe had been in the military in World War II. He was one, he, he, he, he was a, he was a, he was a, he was a, he was a, he was a, he was a command, he was a command, he was a command, he was a command, he was a command, he was a command, he was a command, he was a command, he was a command, he was a II. He was a commando that a submarine dropped him off in the Philippines. You know, and he swam the shore with a knife in his mouth and a grenade in each hand, you know, that kind of stuff. What? After the war, they put him into the CIA. And he's one of these psychopath guys that I'm telling you about, okay? They made the movie. he's one of these psychopath guys that I'm telling you about, okay? They made the movie Apocalypse Now with Marlon Brando based on Tony Pup. He's Marlon Brando's character?

He was stationed in Laos during the secret war and he had actually been an advisor to this guy, General Bang Pow, who was in the drug business. And then they sent him out further out to the west of Laos, where he ran a base called the 118-Base, which is where the opium caravans that the CIA had helped set up after World War II. They had taken a bunch of Chinese generals who were anti-communist and they settled, that's the Kouman Tong, Settlement Burma, and they let them deal opium out of the area in order to spy on China. Anyway, so they would drop off the Komintang and the opium caravan would drop

off its opium at Tony Poe's base. And CIA pilots from Taiwan would fly in with C-47s, and they would pick up the opium and the heroin that was refined there at this base, and they would fly it back out to the Gulf of Siam and they would drop it to Sam P And they would fly it back out to the Gulf of Siam and they would drop it to Sam Pams that would pick it up and deliver it to Santo Trafficanti, you know, and it sounds funny in order to support their operations because they needed money

and the way they were able to conduct their operations. Anyway, Tony Poem was Marlon, I was a thol, thol, thol, thol, thine, thine, thine, thine, thine, thine, thine, tho, tho, tho, th, tho, tho, th, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th. And th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. And, thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, and, and th. And. Anyway, Tony Pohm was, I mean, really, like Marlon Brando was in Apocalypse Now. This was a really crazy guy. He was fighting the path at Laos, the communists in Laos, and when he would locate one of their bases, he would fly over it in a CIA helicopter, one of those black helicopters he'd hear about. And he would drop the heads of Path at Law, who he would kill into their base. Oh my God.

And when the CIA people in VNT, which is where the headquarters were, which was like a world away, it was actually something like civilization, questioned him about his statistics for how many people he killed. He loaded up a duffel bag full of ears and sent it to him as proof. No written report or anything like that. So anyway, I went and visited this guy. Oh my God. You hung out with him? I wanted to talk to him, you know. Oh my God. It was literally raining men on that base.

It was literally raining men, hollow and these heads would just fall on. Do you think that before you get into the story, that do you think that, you know, they always have these psychological exams? And I'm always like, do you really fail it if you're a psycho or do you pass it if you're a psycho and then they don't pass you if you're a nice guy? If they make you into a psycho. What? You know, I mean, the CIA has become very scientific. It has a... I'm going to take your question seriously, because it is a serious question and it deserves a serious answer.

Thank you. They have a science and technology branch. There's basically there was always four branches. There was science and technology. There was administration. There was intelligence, which is the analysts. And then there's operations, that's my guys. And then nowadays in the last five years, there's digital innovations, you know, and then nowadays in the last five years there's digital innovations,

which of course is the way, you know, I mean, if you want to turn the lights out in Caracas, Venezuela, you just punch a button now, you know, the CIA can just push a button then all the lights go out in Caracas. Oh my God. And having to blow up radio stations and stuff like that. But anyway, the science and technology branches is not like trying to develop things to help mankind. They're developing psychological assessment tests so that they can hire the right people. They hire psychologists. They hire psychiatrists, anthropologists, sociologists, who put all their, and these are guys from Ivy League colleges.

Yeah, Ivy League. Who put all the intelligence together to figure out how to get the right people for the right job. And not only that, but how to control them. How do you control the guy like Tony Poe? Well, this is what the science and technology branch of the CI is figuring out, because they're not only hiring Americans like Tony Poe, they go into Laos and they're hiring people like Tony Poe. And they're hiring people like, how do you identify

when you're recruiting agents, when you're recruiting policemen in foreign countries, the kind of guy that you want working for you. How do you, you know, determine that you want to hire Noriega? Well, this isn't done by instinct. Since the OS, days of the OSS, they have been assembling information, how to actually control people psychologically. And this is the thrust, the entire real thrust of the CIA is psychological warfare. Not only how do you control individuals who you want to employ, either as agents or as employees,

but how do you control political and social movements in foreign countries? How do you, how do you control their, the press in those countries? How do you control their press in those countries? How do you create through proprietary countries, companies, newspapers that are going to put the kind of propaganda that you want out there? So to influence people, how do you troll their internet, just like we're accusing the Russians of doing here? Well, you know, guess what?

What do you think the CIA does all over the world every day in a million different ways? And another thing that the science and technology branch does is it creates all sorts of bizarre weapons. The OSS did this in World War II. It created a truth drug, because they wanted to be able to interrogate people, Nazis or mafia that they were.......... And the the the the the the the the the the the the the they, and the drug. And they, and they, and the drug. And the drug. And the drug. And the drug the drug they, and the drug they they, because they wanted to be able to interrogate people, Nazis, or mafia so that they were hired.

And the drug they ended up with was, wasn't it all THC. What? And they tested it on mafios and they tested it on mafios and they tested it on conscientious objectors. And after World War II, they turned to LSD. And they had a whole program called MK Ultra. So think about the CI's involvement in drugs. We're not just talking about recreational drugs, like cocaine or opium or heroin.

What's going about acid, you know, and and and what the CI used when they gave trafficanti drugs to bring to Cuba, part of the batch was acid. I mean they were trying to put acid in Castro's, you know, coffee and stuff like that. So that it would look crazy. So they're doing, that's what the, and what the, and what the, and, and, and what the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the C the C, the C. And, and, and the C, and, and, and the C. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, you know, coffee and stuff like that. So that it would look crazy. So they're doing, that's what this, and this again, so you understand the historical arc. This is what they've done for the beginning. And it goes from the simple days of World War II where they're just getting high on THC to LSD in the 1950s and 60s. And if you follow the historical arc, you have to ask yourself, well, what the hell have

they developed now? What drugs can they use today that are so visible in order to make people like, just go psychotic or break down or you know I mean science is really in advance and you got to remember that this is an organization that's been in existence now from over 70 years so not only in the beginning these guys were neophytes themselves and it was a relatively small organization yeah now it's been an existing for 70 years. The proprietary companies that it set up in 1940s and 50s and 60s have grown.

For example, they set up an airline called Eglay Azur, Blue Eagle. And when they set it up right after World War II, it consisted of four planes and was owned by a Nazi who had been a guy who had worked for the Vichy French. And he didn't know what to do after the war. And so they gave this guy some money, and they set him up in this little airline Aglade Aure, and it is now a major airline. Is it spirit? Because they suck. Yeah, it was a major airline in Laos, it was one of

the airlines that they were able to use to transport opium. Well, just use that an example. They set up after the war in the 50s newspapers that are now like Rupert Murdoch Beck. They set up, they set up all sorts of companies, shipping companies that can ship drugs anywhere. They set up arms manufacturing companies. These are proprietary companies that are set up by a CIA guy, and he hires 100, you know, employees. And none of these employees know that they're working for the CIA, but when a CIA needs to do something, well, this whole company, the honor and his heirs can galvanize this entire

company to do the bidding of the CIA. So if you think about how vast the CIA industry is now, after 70 years, after all these proprietary companies have grown, all the agents that they have had working for them for 70 years, all the agent networks that they have set up around the world that have grown and expanded, all the retired employees who go to work for the Senate, Armed Services Committee, or the Department of Justice, or any, I mean, you start to get a sense of how, when you talk about lizard people being everywhere, you got no effinite deal. What you think? It's a parallel universe. And it's not little green men.

It's people like Evan Parker and Tony Poe. If they live next door to you, you would say about Evan Parker, he's good people. Yeah. You know, he was interviewing a woman to be the first deacon in the Presbyterian Church in his neighborhood. You know, I mean, this, these are, some of these guys would run into a burning house and save, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the be the first deacon in the Presbyterian Church in his neighborhood. You know, I mean, these are some of these guys would run into a burning house and save the cats and the dogs and the little kids. Yeah. And you know, good people. And yet they're part of this vast universe, like, you know, the walking dead.

And they're there to control the ones who also have to do is point them in a direction and they'll wipe out everything in their path. Yeah, it's almost up. I'm giving you some idea of what this thing is all about and how vast it is. For sure. And intricately woven it is and how vastly superior and sophisticated it is to anything that you can think. Well, if you know about technology or academia or sociol- and sophisticated is to anything that you can think.

Well, if you know about technology or academia or sociology or anthropology or computers. It is the cutting edge of everything it is 10 years of head of everybody else. If you look at Facebook, you look at, I mean, we can go through cultural icons, connections to CIA's, Facebook, Google. There's also discussions that the CIA is behind Pornhub, okay? Think about the amount of traffic that's telling me about that. Yeah, someone's about to erase their account, right? Doug. Um, porn hub.

Yeah, I mean, like, look how big that is. And like, if you think about what, what, I mean, like, dude, everybody knows that my, my history, if you go on porn hub, it's always like, hey, I'm watching this video, here's all these other video, and then it sliding you down into more and more crazy stuff. How did I end up here? And it's just like... Not only that. They don't, you don't even have to visit a porn site.

They can create an identity for you on a computer. That is like a parallel history for you. You don't even have to do these things. If they want to blackmail you, if they don't like you, you don't have to do anything wrong. They can create an identity and a history for you on Google. They're setting up these kinds of. Clones. Fully backstopped identities.

And they can attach them to anybody anytime. And they could, and they could send it around the world. And before you have a chance to respond, yeah, they can say, well, you know, Sam, you know, let me tell you something about Sam. And the next thing you know, the whole internet is full of a fake life that you never lived and you can never deny it because it's all documented, proven that they've set it up. And they have thousands of these probably identities that they can attach to anybody anytime. So all you have to do is think the wrong thing. Yeah, I mean, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that have to do is think the walk thing.

Yeah, I mean, that's that's 100% true. And they can frame you. The big thing they like to do, which is very interesting is put kitty porn on your computer. They could do that. You bet. You know, it happens. And not only that. Like this guy Epstein. Yeah. They're behind these child porn. Oh for sure. All the businesses, you know, because they can then get a guy like Epstein, billionaires and now they got them. They have them for the rest of their lives to do whatever bidding they want them to do. And they keep them on a string just the way to cops can keep somebody, some poor their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the want them to do. And they keep them on a string just the way to cops. Can keep somebody, some poor slob,

down in the streets of Memphis, on a, you know, they have a hammer over them all their lives. Because they did something wrong once, or they can frame them on something. And if you haven't got billions of dollars for an attorney, you just got to do what the man says for the most. You gotta play ball. You gotta play ball. CIA is the man over all these billionaires.

And one of the most interesting things in the last minute or two that we have, you know, is that back in the 90s, you know, the rumor going around is that Trump got himself out of debt by wandering drug money through his casinos and his hotels and that the CIA was very interested in who the drug smugglers were and so they let it all happen, which is why things like that would never be be revealed because of the CIA's behind it. Oh, yeah. There's nothing that a mullard or an attorney general bar or anybody can do about it.

It never gets into the report. You never, in your entire life, will ever hear about the CIA in a law enforcement proceeding. Yeah. The whole justice system in a law enforcement proceeding. Yeah. The whole justice system in this country exists to protect the CIA and its organized criminal actions, which are integral to the corporate existence of this country and its dominance over all the other countries and corporations in the world. Can I ask you a question?

Is this an extension of the US government or is this actually IMF? Is it more of the law enforcement branch of the IMF, the murder squad, the death squad of the IMF? The US government's coming, the death squad of the IMF. It's coming though. President, you know, different president every four or eight years. The CI Empire is permanent. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You know, there's a, there's a four-year political cycle. If you're in Congress, it's a two-year political cycle. If you're a good boy or a good girl, you get to stick around. If you play ball, if you play ball. You know, and then you get to you get to run your little fiefdom just like those generals in Vietnam. Yep. Man, man sells out their fellow man.

The kickbacks from the from from you know whatever corporation wants to do business you get lobbyist money you know it's the whole thing. It's it's a it's part and parcel of the the embedded corruption in this country which which enables you know 1% to own what 70 80 90% of the wealth and the rest of us is just schlap around. Yeah, it's very interesting. It's a CIA that keeps that whole inequity stable and continuous. And do you think people, I got two more questions and then I know you got a jam. One, do you, do you think people join the CIA thinking that they're going to do this, you know, they're going to be protecting Americans and they're going to be doing

all this? And then through psychological assessments, initiation processes, they start weeding out who will help them at the higher levels of this stuff. And then they start to realize that's not really, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, the, let's, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they, they, they, they, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the they, they, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. help them at the higher levels of this stuff and then they start to realize that it's not really let's say about America but more about protecting the interests of these very high ups the 1%s the international bankers or whatever that is do you think what do you think of the process? Well again it's a mix you know and there's a there's a selection process that goes on. It's a hard thing to to to to th to to to to to grasp to grasp to grasp to grasp to grasp to grasp to grasp to grasp to grasp to grasp to grasp to grasp to grasp to grasp to grasp to grasp to grasp to grasp to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi thi thi thi thi thea' thea. thea. thea' thi thea. thea. thea. the, and there's a selection process that goes on. It's a hard thing to grasp.

And people are, it's interesting because if I had said these things 20 years ago, people would have been less receptive. And if I had said it 40 years ago, well, in the Vietnam War, we all, during the Vietnam more, a lot of us knew, you know, there was actually more of a consciousness then. Yeah. But it depends, and it depends on how indoctrinated you are, what could be what your personality is. It depends on how how much you can absorb, you know, so there's a whole range of people, but certainly the people who are area and executive management, they understand.

You know, you may not understand if you're over in the Berlin station somewhere or, you know, you know, slap it around in Uruguay. You know, you may think you're just doing your patriotic duty, you know, the guys that go and fight in Iraq and Afghanistan, you know, and, you know, a lot of them think they're just serving their country. They do not think, like Medley Butler said, I'm a thug for the corporations. Yeah. I mean, you have to get to the point where you're in general, where you start really understanding the big picture. So, you know, there's all, again, there's no, there's no, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their their their their their their their their their their their their the understanding the big picture. So, you know, there's a whole, again, there's no, you know, there's no one type. It's as varied as, you know, I mean, if you went to a baseball game,

all the people in the state. You know, I mean, you'll just find a tremendous mix. But the people in control, the executive management, you know, like the top 1% of 1% of 1% of 1% of 1% of this. They know, they're absolutely aware and they actually have procedures manuals that they have to follow. Over the 70 years, you know, this stuff has been codified. Fine-tuned. Procedure manuals to follow so that nobody knows. So at the highest levels of entertainment as well, there is a big CIA influence obviously. You know, I've been talking to my friend and they were breaking down like the different type of MK Ultra.

And one of it is a beta sex kittens, they said. And thatthe different type of MK Ultra. And one of it is, uh, uh, beta sex kittens, they said. And that's, that's where you see these young girls documented very early, whether it's like the Mickey Mouse Club and stuff like that, where you see these girls are groomed very early and they become iconic. And then when they seem to want to pull out that's when either something bad happens to them or as we're finding out right now that Britney Spears has been forced into a mental facility for the last four months no one's heard from her well she's been trying to get off this medication stuff like that.

It happened to Kanye, they just all of a sudden go crazy and they disappear. Yeah. It's like they, you know, people always talk about who gets off and all that stuff. I think if they blow you up and then you try to get off the leash, that's when something goes back. What are your thoughts on that whole thing? Because we find like the, the Grateful Dead, the grateful to that.. thatheatheat, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, the, the, the, that, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. People, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, people, they, they, people, they, they, they, they, that, have some CIA connections to them? Well, I think that, again, it's in a sort of, think of it as the establishment, at the highest levels of the journalistic trade, the people who run the New York Times, the people who run the Washington Post,

the biggest producers in Hollywood, the biggest, the people who run the oil companies. These people are the CIA. Just like these are the people who form the the CIA nowadays. The CIA has professional journalists that work for it. These are the people who form the CIA nowadays. They say they, the CIA has professional journalists that work for it. And they're the best in the brightest.

They're the sons and daughters of the people who own these newspapers and who are their top editors. So once you get into the very top of every branch of the mayor, every, you know, across the board, the top anthropologists, the top sociologists in education, the people who run our universities, the people who run the board, the top anthropologists, the top sociologists in education, the people who run our universities, the people who run the automobile industry, the people who run the unions, the people, once you get to the top of all these, any of these different things, well, that's the OSFs, that's the CIA. These are the people who run America. They're indistinguishable from each other.

And that's very important to remember. Because you're not going to get to the top of one of these organizations unless you assimilate. Those trust bone kids. That's a story of my life, dude. It's all trust one kids. He just said it. Yeah, the 100. Can't assimilate. I'll know, man. It's not my thing. My that. My that. My that. that's that's that's that's th. that's th. th. th. th. that's th. th. th. th. th. that's th. that's th. that. that's th. that's th. that's very that's very that's very that's very thi. that's very that's very that's very that's very that's very that's very that's very that's very that's very that's very that's very that's very that's very. That's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's thiiiia. th. th. th. th. th. th. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thii. thiii. that's very thia. that's very that's very that's very all trust one kids. He just said it. Yeah, the 100. I don't know man it's not my thing. My dad raised the real knucklehead. Where you know my dad's from Pine Avenue New York. They don't play ball. So we like to do. I'm very much a roan in. I go by my own thing and that's not really my thing, but we've seen that, whether it's CIA.

Who is the number one, the iconic feminist? What, Stineham, is that her name? Yeah, find out later, she's CIA. Something that came out, I could not believe how quickly it was, push here, and this will be the final question. Jesse Jackson, El Sharpton, you know, found out that these guys are assets. Now, the final question question question question the ffi f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f f, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the iconic, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the iconic, the iconic, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the iconic, the iconic one the iconic one the iconic f, the iconic f- the iconic f-i, the iconic f-i, the iconic f-i, the iconic f-i, the iconic f-i, the iconic f-foomicicicicicicicicic, the be the final question. Jesse Jackson, L. Sharpton, you know, found out that these guys are assets. Now, the final question is, FBI, there's this whole thing that now the CIA's infiltrating the FBI. What are your thoughts on that?

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That's what they do. And it's been, it's been going on since the inception of the organization. Because you can't communicate with these other, with these branches of the government, and tell them anything that's going on, because they're not they're not they're not they're not their their their their their their their their their their government and tell them anything that's going on because they're not clear to hear it. So you got to have your people there at the highest levels. See I did it's a CIA world we're just living in a drug world. It's a drug world. It is a drug world. That's it's so crazy that they they they ship the drugs in they pass the law outlawing it. They are they arrest. Thea. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. the the the their their they they they their their they they they they their their they their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their true. true. true. true. true. true. their their their their their their their their their their their their the law outlawing it, they arrest people, and they own the prisons in which you do, they just are taking bucks the whole way. Damn.

Right, and you don't have to have a lot of employees, you just have to have the guy at the top. Yeah, that's what they do with dictators. They take out the dictator and then they just put their guy in they keep everybody else there. Doug. So anyway, can we call it a night? Yeah, Douglas, we are calling it a night buddy. I appreciate your kindness on coming out. I know you were sick earlier so I'm glad you can make it on Thursday. It was a pleasure talking to you and hopefully down the line, we could do it again. I love the V for V for Vendetta mask in the back back back back back back back back back back back back back back. That's the back. That's the back. That's that's that's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's that's. That's. That's. That's. That's that's. That's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that again. I love the V for Vendetta mask in the back. That's how I know you're G, my friend,

and I appreciate you and everything you do. Be safe, Mr. Valentine, we'll talk to you soon, okay? Take care, we appreciate your time. Thank you. Take care of my friend. Guys, thank you so much. I want to thank I con for Letthe us use their studio. And man, this has been fun. I appreciate everybody. Thank you, XG. And we'll see you guys soon. Take care, everybody. Thank you. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit.

Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. You just move my mind. Are you ready to get your mind done?