Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #207: The Venus Project With Roxanne Meadows

Episode Date: July 2, 2019

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a couple weeks ago, but my flight got screwed up so we didn't, and she was nice enough to come back on. She's part of a very interesting project that I'm excited to hear about. Please welcome from the Venus Project. Roxam Meadows, everybody. How are you, Roxanne? Well, thanks, Sam. I appreciate being on. You asked me again. Well, I'm super excited. You're very brave and you have a really, really crazy idea about how to save the world, and I love it.

And I'm excited about it. Can you tell our listeners a little bit about the Venus Project? Well, it's an alternative socioeconomic system. We feel that we cannot solve our problems within the capitalist system and the system that we are in now, that it's really the cause of our problems. And this social direction was arrived at through Jacques Fresco. He is the founder. I am the co-founder of the Venus Project. He died about a couple years ago at 101, and he worked at this till the very end.

So we, you know, I know you're into conspiracies. Yes. I don't know what isn't a conspiracy in this culture. We'd have to talk about the drugs. Thank you. Yes, we'd have to talk about the drug culture. I'm talking about the drugs that they push through medicine. The schools are corrupt. They. They advocate. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They they. They they. They they. They they. They they. They they. They they. They they they they they they they they they they they they they they they drugs that they push through through medicine. The schools are corrupt. They advocate, they, you know, they turn out people to be cogs in a wheel, just to promote the system that we're in. The values that they give you from when you're very young

to when you die are to support the culture that you're raised you're very young to when you die are to support the culture that you're raised in, which is the free enterprise system. Okay. So everything you get from when you're a child, you're not taught how to think critically. So we think that the environment shapes our behavior. And everything that we get in this

environment is for wealth, property, and power. That the main aim is profit over the well-being of people and the environment. So we advocate a system that's quite different where the main aim is the well-being of people and the protection of the environment. It's pretty much contrary to everything that people learn in this culture. How did you get involved with this? I told you Jacques was the founder of this and I heard some of his lectures and it was, he spoke very truthfully, very honestly about things that I'd never heard about before, and he didn't just complain about the culture,

which he broke it apart really well, but he posed an alternative, and we don't get that in this culture, and that's what's missing. You know, people protest in the street, but for what? Now they're protesting to revolt against the free enterprise system and overthrow it.. But, but th. But, but th. But, but th. But, but th. But, th, th, tho, th, th, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii thi thi thi thi thi thi th street, but for what? Now they're protesting to revolt against the free enterprise system and overthrow it, but what do you put in? This notion of democracy is a fallacy. You know, we don't go to war to bring democracy all over the world. We have scarce resources, and this system perpetuates scarce resources and it's shameful.

You know, this system might have been good 75 or 100 years ago, but today we have technologies that can take care of their people all over the world. We can make schools for everybody to go to freely. We can make hospitals. Why are people homeless? You can make low-cost homes, but there's no profit in it. Yes. Yes, for sure.

There's actually more empty houses in the United States than homeless people. Yes. I mean, we could take care of them for sure. And I like, I think this project's very interesting, dude. Can you tell listeners a little bit about what is resource-based economy and the monetary system? Well, the monetary system is what we live with today. It's based on money. Money is not, it doesn't represent resources. It doesn't represent

anything but essentially debt for people. And, you know, we don't have enough money in the world to even take care of everybody's medical care, but we have enough resources. And a resource-based economy is based on resources. We take an inventory, we would need that to know exactly what we have. And those, that would be the parameters of how we set up society. Speaking of the survey, you would need to know where the Arab land is, where the water is, where, um, where the arable land is, where the water is, where the industrial plants are, where the technical personnel are, the health and the needs of the people, and that determines what we do, not if there's a buck in it.

All right, I'm with you on that, Mam mean, you look at our health care system, you look at our drug laws, it's basically so, because some people are just making a lot of money on it and they won't let it change. And it just really, really sucks. Yes, I don't think there's anything in this system worth saving. I mean, even we have been so polluted. They pollute the water, they pollute the air, they pollute the food and our minds to accept this garbage. But a resource-based economy is what the Venus Project advocates in place

of a monetary system. You know, we have all the technology we need to produce, as I mentioned, a high standard of living for everyone, but only if we use it intelligently, not the way we use technology today. I'm not talking about that at all. It scares me the way they use technology today because it's abusive. The systems based on exploitation and abuse, the free enterprise system. So we talk about using technology to produce houses, to produce free medical care for people, to produce scule, to produce safe transportation,

and actually total city systems, system designs. We kind of back it up with technology as to what the future in a resource-based economy would look like. And you can see that on our website, the Venus Project.com, and our nonprofit website, which is resource-based economy. So, um, resource-based economy.org. But a resource-based economy. So, excuse me, resource-based economy.org, but a resource-based economy uses money. I mean, excuse me, it does not use money. Right, right. It's based on resources. It's, it doesn't use money. Like a bartering system almost. It's, even beyond that, because it's not money, not based on money, barter, credit, or servitude of any kind.

People erroneously, they go to school, they want a job to make the money, to buy the things they want. But if they really thought about it, it's not the job they want. Most people hate their jobs. They're little dictatorships. It's access to goods and services that people need. So we say that if we reorganized our technology and our resources and our technical personnel, we can produce abundance for the first time in history. This system that we live

under now, the monetary system, is based on keeping things scarce, even when we have the means and the technology to produce whatever anybody wants. And if you do that, it's too cheap to put a price tag on. You know, we don't, we don put a price tag on the air that we breathe. Or we don't have guards on beaches to make sure that people don't go at night and steal a cup of sand because it's abundant. But we keep things scarce in this culture purposely. We make things wear out and break down. Yep. That's all of our our base junkyards are just stuff that just, I mean, this phone will break down in two years. On its own.

On its own. On its own. Doesn't need to fall. Does it need to go in water to just stop working? Our landfills are just full of this stuff. So we're plundering the planet because this system, the monetary system, is based on buying and selling things. And in order to keep selling, you make things wear out and break down. So we're plundering the Earth's resources to keep this offensive system going. Yeah, it's it's 100% truth. I mean, you just went to Saudi Arabia. I saw a video of you talking in Saudi Arabia. And, you know, we're talking resources here. We're talking oil and how it's had a devastating effect on, you know, just our lives.

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And then it got into many other newspapers. So I, well, that's great. So tell us a little bit about this Jacques Fresco. You said he lived to 100. Where did he come up with this? Why did he, why was this his passion? Can you tell us a little bit about that? Sure.

Well, it started. He grew up in the Great Depression in 1920s and 30s. And he saw that there were still items in store windows. And that people wanted to work, and that they still had arable land, and they still had factories, but they were shut down. And he knew the people that were, they were thrown out in the streets, and they lived in tents.

And I'm going to assure you, that wouldn't happen again now in the United States with the next great crash. But, so, those times generated new ideas being talked about in the streets, like communism, socialism, mankind united, fascism, all different ideas that you don't see today, you know, the word communism and socialism are red flag words. If people hear something new, they say that you're a communist or you're

a socialist and you ask them what it means and they have no idea. But, you know, in other parts of the world, they have communist parties and socialist parties and different parties, you know. But this country, we are the most brutal country in terms of labor and new ideas, the labor party. We just shot them in the streets after the depression. But anyhow, getting back to Jacques. So he saw these things and he heard new ideas. And he saw his friends being thrown out in the streets, eating through soup kitchens and breadlines, and conditions were really, really bad. So he really, at the time, a saying that had been coined for Jacques is that

this shit's got to go. And he spent the rest of his life looking for another social system that wasn't abusive to people. And he arrived at a resource-based economy. He studied many different social systems and found them all lacking because they really didn't have a viable plan to make life better for people. So what is social cyber engineering? That's socio-ciber nearing. It's a word that shot made up meant, um, engineering, um, and, and, so, engineering and cyber nation. It's socio, cybernation, it's socio, cyber, ne-nation, it's socio-cyber, cybernuring, cybernation, that was even

before the word cyber was popular, applied to the social system. You know, this system I'm talking about, it's not based on somebody's wishes or aspirations or psychology or religion or political systems. It's essentially using the methods of science applied to way we operate society. That it's not based on people's arbitrary decisions, but it's based on data and statistical findings to how we make decisions.

It's not based on somebody making a lot of money, somebody's brother-in-law getting ahead because, you know, the family was into politics. Right, right. There's somebody making a lot of money. You know, the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, but you have roads winding in and out. So people in different areas can

have the population drive through their areas to make more money through their stores or whatever it is. But very little things are in this system, very little decisions. There's lots of opinions in this system. You know, everybody's given the right to their own opinion. And I'll put it this way. Jacques used to work with special effects in Hollywood when he was younger in the 1950s, and people would walk up to him because he would have space stations going in outer space. He would have rockets going to the moon.

And people would say, you'll never see that, not in a thousand years. And he would say, oh, you work with rocket tree. No, you work with propulsion. No. He'd say, then where do you come off with all these opinions? You know, everybody, there might be a woman who has many men going into her home and you know people have all sorts of

opinions but she might be a music teacher, an art teacher, a French teacher, might be a prostitute, but you know people, we say that in the future people would have access to information and that's quite different than opinions. Okay, all right. So you're talking about like basically this, this, this, this, this, this, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, but thi, but thi, but thi, but thi, but thi, but thi, but thi, thi, but thi, but thi, but thi, but thi, but thi, but thi, but thi, but thi, but thi, but thi, but thi, but th, but th, but th, but th, but th, but th, th, thi, th, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th information and that's quite different than opinions. Okay, all right. So you're talking about like basically this, what sounds like you're talking about is analytics, data, and basically you'll be using data to figure out what the resources are and how this applies and that way everybody gets kind of equal treatment and it's the most efficient way to use it. Why do you think technology? What, what? What? What? What? What? What? What? the. the? the? the? the? the? the? the? the? the? the? the? the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. to? to? the. to. the. the. to. to. to. the. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to? to. to? tothat way everybody gets kind of equal treatment and it's the most efficient way to use it. Why do you think technology, what role does technology have in the fall of communism, ecapitalism? Excuse me. Well, today technology is used primarily a lot for surveillance.

We have technological unemployment where people are losing their jobs. It's not so much that we're not producing. We are automating more so, and people are beginning to talk about this, write books about it. And they have no clue as to what to do when there's enough people displaced by automation. And industries are forced to do that. They're forced to be a son of a bitches in this culture.

There's, you know, they're, they can't afford to be ethical in this culture. Because I can explain that more so, but later, but, um, so technology does things better, quicker, cheaper, more efficiently. They don't ask for vacations. You don't have to pay them overtime. They don't take cigarette breaks. They don't get sick. And your industry has to take on automation to compete. So, as I said, people are afraid of what's happening with this, but they don't know

what to do and they're talking about universal basic income and they think that'll take care of the problem. I think that'll make them worse. Yeah, to me, it's like, you know, people don't get wiser or better with Social Security when they get 65. And as long as you keep the social system the same, the social stratifications the same, the education the same, you pacify people with a little bit to keep them satisfied, but it won't solve the problems we have.

How do you see this system being implicated? How do we actually put it in, not making a theory, but actually put it into reality? Do you think it's possible? This could happen? Have we tried doing this in real life to see if it actually work? No, and this is something we're taking on,

just like any other scientific experiment, we really not need to show that this works. Although many aspects that we talk about in regards to this are different disciplines in society. So they are based on scientific study, but putting it, we advocate, and Jacques did lots of designs for cities that are efficient that they're round that you design one eighth of the city with many multidisciplinary people working together and then you duplicate it and the and you it's immersed in beautiful garden thank you It's immersed in beautiful gardens.

And the idea of the city is, it's not based on somebody's personal aesthetics, but it's efficient. The architecture can be made in automated factories and assembled on site, meaning it can go up very quickly, because the aim of this system is to feed, house, to feed, the house, and beautiful, and beautiful, and beautiful, and beautiful, and beautiful, and beautiful, and the the the city, is is is is is, and, and, and the city in, and the city in, and, and the city in, and, and beautiful in, and beautiful in, and beautiful, and beautiful, and beautiful, and beautiful, is in, is in, is in, is in, is in, is in, is in, is in, is in, is in, is in, is in, is in the city, is in the city in the city in the city in the city in the city in the city in the city, is, is, is, is, is in the city in the city in the city in the city in the city in the city in the city in the city in, is in, is in, and, and, go up very quickly because the aim of this system is to feed, house, and cloth, and provide a very good standard of living and a fulfilling lifestyle for everyone on the planet. So the way to design architecture and think about it is different.

So you have, you're fully embracing artificial intelligence. What roles do computers have with this system? Well I embrace it not in this system because who has control of artificial intelligence, it scares me. Okay. Yes, but in the system I'm talking about where really everything is for the well-being of people. Because, you know, the smarter you are, the smarter kids are, the better my life. You can kind of think of it as functional selfishness. Because when anything is developed, when people learn how to produce things that enhance people's lives, not to pollute the soil, not to pollute the air and the water, but clean it up and makes, you know, safer housing and more

efficient transportation. But when people are taught to do this in a resource-based economy, what happens is it goes right back into society for everyone's use without a price tag. So, you know, there's nobody out there saying, have I got just the car for you? They're without money, money is an interference factor between what you want and what you're able to get. So without money in the scenario, and we have access centers, just like the public library,

where people can go in and check out what they want. If they want to use it all the time, they keep it. If they don't, they bring it back, it's kept in key shape for everyone's use. You have to think of how you use resources differently under this type of social system. So what if someone checks out the car you want and they never give it back? Or would we all have the same car? Does anyone know the car? It's not like they even, we wouldn't even use cars in the future. We would use efficient transportation.

Cars are not efficient, but if we did, then you don't have to really bring it back. You leave it and then other people use it in that area. You know, the car sits for, don't know most of the time. Oh, like birds. So, you know, wherever you are, people get in the car and use it and leave it there and other people when they need it, they use it. And we make sure the cars are where they need to be where when people need them, if there were cars. And they'd be electric. And probably at that time, you know, they would drive. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thin, thin, their their their their their their their their th in their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their their their, their their, their their, their their their their, their their their their their, the, the. the. the. theateateateateateate. toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooe. And, the. And, the. And, the you know, they would drive themselves. So you're okay. I guess nobody's gonna need jobs. Are we gonna need jobs in this project?

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of it. So you have access to more things and your standard of living goes up. And you have access to schools to be able to participate in society. And, you know, you can go back to school and do what you want, or take time with your family, or things that you've always wanted to do. You know, when kids, kids are curious about every things. things. things. things. things. things, things, things, things, things, things, things, things, things, things, things, things, things, things, things, thi things things things things things things things thi things thi things thi things things things things things thi things thi things thi things to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to school and do what you want, or take time with your family, or things that you've always wanted to do. You know, when kids, kids are curious about everything, and they're into many different things, and then they get a certain age and they have to get a job that generally they hate,

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the amount of data that we have collected from the beginning of time, since we've been recording it, we have 80% of our data collected in the last two years. People cannot keep up with this. They cannot, and what we are ultimately talking about is a global resource-based economy. I mean, this really isn't a resource-based economy until it is global. And so computers would be controlling the air, the water, production, distribution,

making sure that the transportation runs efficiently, and on time, but they wouldn't control people. So you can think of it as like electrical tentacles going into the soil. When the water table gets low and the nutrients get low, then it automatically puts them in there. And you know, when we want to find out what we grow where, you take samples of the soil, you bring it to a lab and the lab will tell you what that soil can best do and when you rotate the crops. So computers would have a huge part in society, but it wouldn't be abusive.

But I mean there has to be a job because someone has to repair the computers or the robots. And if there's no income, why would they do it? I'd sit there and I don't want to do it. You're part of a system. You're part of a group. Everybody has their role. You know, if this system just died tomorrow, and then we automatically, I know this is not the way it's going to happen, but you said, okay, we're going to have a resource-based economy tomorrow, and you can participate in housing, in learning, and apprenticing. You can go to other countries and bring them up in many different ways to help them.

You can, you know, you can participate in these things, and you see your standard of living and other see your standard of living and other people's standard of living going up. When people lose their jobs, a lot of times they volunteer. I understand why people just sit on the couch because I would just say that if people didn't do drugs, if they didn't over eat, if they didn't do alcohol, they probably have a nervous breakdown.

Because this culture is so stressful, but we're talking about a different kind of culture that would be so interesting and people could participate in what they want to participate that you wouldn't want to dull yourself down. So, you know, there'd be so much to do that it would be an exciting thing. And, you know, Martin Luther King didn't walk through Alabama knowing he'd get his head smashed in because somebody gave him a couple million dollars in a bank account. Right. He did it because he felt it was the right thing to do. And there's a lot of people that are interested in things but have no way of participating in things.

I think a lot of kids would want to learn how to fly. They don't even think about it. They do not dream in this culture. You open your bank account and you shut it again because it's painful to think of things that you can't do. People get laid off. They have no way or no access to do anything. I don't think they'd sit around if they could learn how to fly, if they could go to art sensors and music centers and take out whatever they want

and have people help them with that, and participate in knowing that they're cleaning up the environment. And if they do, this culture has gotten to them so much and they're so flattened, that it's, you know, that's the thing you have to work on with people in the future. Of course. So you're, you're, so you talked a lot about, I watched a couple of your videos, you talk about nature versus nurture. What causes behavior? It's a good question. And that's kind of the root of this. We feel that the environment shapes our behavior. If you grow up in a in an environment where they tell you you have to get whatever you can get or somebody else is going to get it, you have an environment of hatred and, you know, aggressiveness to get what you need.

Right. And, you know, everybody today, we feel is perfectly well adjusted for where they're coming from. There's a good example of that. And I can just, let me put it this way, that we are just as lawful as anything else in nature. That nature, a plant doesn't grow. It's acted upon by nutrients and sunlight and water, bacteria, lightning, it causes the plant to grow. If you took a seed to grow, if you took that seed and you put it in a vacuum, nothing would happen. And that's the same with people as well.

If you took a child, very young child, and you put in a big gray ball, and you had no outside stimulus, you had no outside, it had no outside stimulus, you had no outside verbal communication with it, somehow you could wipe its butt and keep it clean and it made it to 14 years old, and then you let that child out, what do you think it would be like?

You know, and... Go on, sorry. I was just gonna say, in, in they've had cases cases in war-torn countries where babies lost, young babies lost their parents and they were put in orphanages and they didn't have enough people to take care of them or toucest them or nurture them. And they found that without touch, touc stimulated the growth hormone. And if they weren't touched, then their brains were stunted, their bodies were stunted, and a lot of times they died due to stress.

So the environment plays a huge role on what people are like. If you have a nurtured environment with love and warmth, you know what that means. If you don't have love and warmth, you don't generate that behavior. You know, you wonder why somebody in an impoverished area could stab a little old lady and kill her for her pocketbook or whatever, but that child has no identity with humans.

They've never been reinforced in any positive way. They just learn to take whatever they can get or somebody else is going to get it. So that woman, that little old lady just represents, you know, the next fix or some sneakers they want or whatever. There was a sociologist, Mottay, in Canada, who said, and he had a, he had a, he worked with a lot of drug addicts, and he found that almost all of the people he worked with had really abusive childhoods. And he said that they were putting them in jail due to their childhood, but they had nothing to do with. So, you know, another example of this, if, you know, people reflect the books they read, the movies they go to, their friends, their parents, their role model, their religion, their subculture.

Everything you get, all the words you get to use, your facial expressions, how you stand, how you stand, you pick up by the environment. Right. So what we're talking about is if you want different kinds of people, you have to produce a different kind of environment. This system produces competition. It's not right and normal as you're taught. It produces individuality and everything that we learn comes off of the backs and the works of other people and everything you say you get from other people and your experience. So where's the individual there?

Your culmination of all of your past experiences. Yep, I mean, yeah, I find it interesting. But here's the whole problem with any system is you could do any, you could put the most loving, idealistic system out there, and alpha males are just going to ruin it. There's an assle. There's always going to be somebody who's going to dominate, there's always going to be someone who wants more power. There's always going to be somebody who wants to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the to to the to the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the thi I I I the the thi. I their I I I their I I their I I their I their I I I their I I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. I I thi. I thi. I find, I find, I find, I find, I find, I find, I find, I find thi. I find, I find, I find, I find, I find, I find, I find, I find, I'm thia'ea'ea'ea'e. I'm thi. I'm thi. I th asshole. There's always going to be somebody who's going to be someone who wants more power. There's always going to be somebody who wants to run the show. How do you deal with that? Well, in terms of that, there's no reward. You get nothing from being dominant.

In fact, you'd be looked upon as being sick and ill and old values from the old system. You know, there's corruption today because there's scarcity and, or the fear of scarcity. But in the future, when you can make things available and eventually produce abundance, then you don't gain anything by being abusive or being arrogant or being dominant. Even if there's no money, I still want to have the best song. Yeah, I mean, like. I mean, I still want to have the best song if it has no money. And if we don't, there's, I'm still going to be the alpha,

even if there's no one, I'm be like, I still made the better song than you did. And unless there's no polls. That's an attitude that like the Nobel Prize, there wouldn't be any Nobel Prize, because people would understand the history of invention, that, you know, I can give you this example, that Otto Lillianthal in the late 1800s, he admired how birds flew. So he was the first one to strap arms, strap wings on his arms. And of course they looked like birds, and he built a big hill and he jumped off and he was successful in flying,

it was a glider. He was the first one successful. He flew 2,500 flights, and the last one ended up in his death. And then somebody else tries, and they hit a tree and a fisherman, because he sees a rudder, I mean, he sees the fish fish fish fish fish fish fish fish fish fish fish fish fish fish fish fish fish fish, the fish, the fish, the fish, the fish, the fish, the fish, the fish, the fish, the fish, he, he, the fish, he, he, the fish, he, the fish, he, he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he tree, and a fisherman, because he sees a rudder, I mean, he sees the fish, he says, you've got to have a rudder on that plane because he saw it in a fish. He doesn't get it from the air.

He sees it in the environment. And then he hit, he hit something. And then a sailor says, you to put you got to brace those wings and many people die and then the Wright brothers I actually read Otto Lillianthal's book because he was an engineer he wrote a book the first book on Aerodynamics and and they copied his plane and they flew for a minute with a motor and they called them the father of flight that's BS or bad science or bad thi and th the thi s thi s s s s s s th th th th th th th some th some th some th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi to thi to the to thi the the thi the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th with a motor and they call them the father of flight. That's BS or bad science or bullshit.

He was not the father of anything because a lot of people died for him to be, for them to be able to fly. So if you understand the progression and where ideas come from, there's nobody, even the music that you play, comes from your surroundings. If you travel to a lot of different countries, and you hear music from many different countries, creativity is taking known things and putting them together in unusual ways.

So if you know that process, in the future, you would want to teach other people that instead of standing back and thinking erroneously that you came up with all that. You know, you're on the backs of many people that designed instruments that you had nothing to do with, and people who taught you and other things that you pick up. And people would know that. Kids would know where inventions and ideas come from, that they don't just come from individuals.

And this enables people to cooperate more and achieve more things. I love it. I love it. I wish we could show a little more love like that for sure. For sure. So, um, do you see this as maybe in your lifetime this ever being implemented? I mean, you know, some people say, oh, you have to, you have to tell, you have to convince everybody. Even today, we're off the backs of very few people, people who bring you electricity, people who bring you the computer, refrigeration, you know, and the rest of the people are pretty much by standards with very little education. They're just giving things to do so they can feed their own gut and make a salary.

But it doesn't take, having everybody decide upon this. It takes just reaching the right people who can maybe initiate something. So I'll tell you I have no expectations. What you think should happen is not real. Whatever happens is real. Looking for justice, thinking something should happen. That's what makes you sick. All I know is, it's just, it is just, it's just, it's just, it is just, it is just, it. It's, it's just, is just, is just, is just, is just, is, is just, is just, is, is just, is just, is, is, is just, is just, is, is just, is just, is, is just, is just, is just, is just, is just, is just, is just, is just, is just, is just, is just, is, is, is, is, is, is just, is just, is just, is the right. It is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is. It, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is. for justice, thinking something should happen. That's what makes you sick. All I know is I was felt very lucky to be introduced to

Jacques, who studied this all his life. And I feel that it is, it really could improve many people's lives. You know, the Antarctic is melting. People are saying we're already beyond the point of no return. I don't know, but I don't even see, I don't see anything else that could make as many changes for people's well-being and benefit than this direction. I think everything else in this culture is strictly patchwork, you know, save the whales, keep the system going, but save the whales, keep the system going, but save the whales, save the environment. You might buy a million dollars worth of land collecting from volunteers and you buy a big plot of land. Another politician can get into

office and you see the lagers on that land. There's no security in this system. So, and whatever you're working for, you're really working for the banks. If you own something and you can't pay your the the the the the the the the the the the the the w w w w w w w the w w the w w the w w w the w w wa, save the wails, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save the wails, save, save the wails, save, save the wails, save the wails, save the wails, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save, save the the the the the the the the the the the the the wails the wails, save the wails, save the wails, save the wails, save the wails, save the wails, save the wails, save the wails, save the wails, save the wails, save the wails, save the wails, save the w. So, and whatever you're working for, you're really working for the banks. If you own something and you can't pay your taxes, you can kiss a goodbye. You can have an automobile and you paid all your interest, which means you paid it probably three or four times over, and you can't pay your last payment. They don't come and take the last payment.

the whole wheel, the amount of the last payment, or the tire, they take the whole damn car. So the system is so corrupt. I just, I can't tell you if we're going to see it. I just don't, I just think it's a worthwhile direction to work toward. So you, so you, the center, now is your headquarters in Venus, Florida is that? Yes, that's why we called the Venus Project it used to be called socio-ciberneering And I said it was before cybernetics was even known cyber was known so nobody could say the word And when I met shock he had a non-profit organization called socio-ciberneering and nobody could say it nobody could remember it. Nobody could spell it. So, wen, so, so, wen, the the the the the the the the the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the v the v theve theve, thi thi, theve, the-in-inus, is th, is th th th th th th thu, is thu, is thu, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th is th is thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the v the v the vene. theat, thean thean thean thean thean thean. thean. thean. thean. theat, the v ven the vene. When I met Jacques, he had a nonprofit organization called socio-ciberneering, and nobody could

say it, nobody could remember it, nobody could spell it. So when we moved to Venus, we called it the Venus Project. We live in Venus, Florida, a little remote, well, yes, we live many people. I keep saying like Shak's alive, but we, meaning other people who work and volunteer for this direction, live here as well. We have 10 buildings that Jock and I built. We made really kind of a little paradise here. We did it all ourselves.

We did it through, we didn't have any backing at the time. We did it through jobs that we had. We took out no loans, we took out no mortgages. And we just did it when we had the next job. So the houses were not what we wanted, they're what we could afford. But we moved here, I shak was a prolific designer. When I met him over 41 years, I worked with him, he did over 5,500 design sketches that we digitized. That's why I know the number.

And so we experimented with some of his house designs. And the area we have here is kind of like what the outskirts of the city would look like, where one house was near another house, but there's so much lush foilage and landscaping that you don't see another house. And we'd show that everybody could live well. At the time, we couldn't, and many of them are domes. And why domes? Because they used the least amount of material to cover the most space, and they are super strong. We live in hurricane country. And people say, well, I don't want to live thaaa, the tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, thi thi the thi thi thi the thi thi, thi, thi, the, thi, and the, and thi, and the, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and th, and th, and th, and th, and thi, and th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the the the the the the the the the the thean, the thean, the the thei theoooooooooooooooooooes, the the th cover the most space and they are super strong. We live in hurricane country.

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We had a hurricane Irma come through here. And the buildings withstood, mostly tornadoes that we had on our land. How many people can live in those domes? Or... Well, well, we have we have the the the the the they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have they have the they have the their their their, we have four, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, we have, their their, their their their their their their their their their their the mostly tornadoes that we had on our land. How many people can live in those domes? Or? Well, we have four people living here now. And because we're zoned agriculture, we're restricted to the number of residents. You can have one residence per five acres.

So this is one resident for five acres. Why, why do you, why is that one resident for five acres? That's. That's the rules they make in agriculture. Wow. Yeah, and zoned agriculture. So this is why we're now working on our next project called Center for Resource Management. And it will be bigger. It'll house about four or five hundred people. And it will demonstrate

a project that's self-sustaining, grows its own food, produces its own energy. It'll have an exhibit exhibitions in the future in the middle to help sustain it. And the exhibitions will show people this direction what life could be like in the future within a resource-based economy. And it'll demonstrate these ideas as well. Well, I love it, man. I think this is amazing. It's been, I look forward to it.

Now, are there any concrete plans to move this forward or where you at right now? Yeah, there are. In fact, what we've done here is we've produced our own books, our own videos. We have several of them for free on our website. We have over 600 audio lectures of Jock talking about all sorts of things from the 1960s. We, I just want to tell you about the thate to to the told to to to to to to to it to to it to it to it to it to to it to to to to to told told to told to to to to to it to to to to it to to it to it to it to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to it to it to it to it to it to it to it to it to it to it to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the sorts of things from the 1960s. I just want to tell you about the teams that we have on our website. If you look under Get Involved, there's a lot of people working with us from all over the world. We have an activist team, which is TVP Support, the Venus Project support, And we're mostly interested in people really understanding this direction and learning about it. And they go through 40 hours of an educational course.

We also have the socio-cyberneering course, which somebody does kind of one-on-one with people, and it's a two-year course if you study an hour a day. And then people who graduate that, they teach other people. We have the data-driven team. We have the land acquisition team, because we're looking for this new, we're developing this new project. We have a media team, a marketing team. We have so many teams I can't ever remember them.

But we have a lot, we have the virtual reality team because we've been, a large company, donated a lot of headsets for virtual reality. So we started a virtual reality team. We have a video team, an audio team, linguist, a transcription team. We have a lot of things that people can participate in. And what was really interesting later, I mean, after Jacques died,

a while ago, I developed the Center for Resource Management because I worked for a long time with Jacques. He did a lot of designing and he taught me that. He taught me technical illustration. He used to teach everybody technical illustration, whoever came to his lectures or whoever rented a room from him. And so I put together this center and we put a call out for architects, engineers, and research people and we got about 300 people that signed our NDA and signed up to work with us.

So I found that really humbling and we have a wonderful guy who's heading it, Adam Bussain and who does that. He manages architectural teams for his own work. So we're plugging along with that and we're going, we're working on our business documents to try and get funding for that. I love it. Well, I love it. Well, I can't thank you enough for coming on the show. I think it's a very aggressive idea. I'm super excited about it. I wish you nothing but luck.

I, we need to bring a lot more love to this. And I'm very thankful you came on, Roxanne. And yeah, man, come back again and we'll talk about this again. We'll see where it is soon. Love too. Yeah, thank you. Sam. I didn't know how you take to this and I'm really thrilled you like it. And I appreciate this time, a great deal. Thank you, Roxanne. It was great. Thank you guys. Thank you everybody for listening. Greatly appreciated. And I will see on the other side. Thank you, Roxanne.

Thanks. Bye.