Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #217: Hollow Earth with Tim Swartz

Episode Date: August 2, 2019

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Okay, but we had two lovely ladies from college. Super, more conspiracy smoke shows. They want to talk a little hollow words, so we brought in the best, the best to do this. We're talking heavy guns. You can find all of his work at conspiracy journal.com And YouTube, he's associated with Mr. UFO's secret files. So put that in. We're proud to have them on. This one's for the ladies. Give it up for the man, the myth of legend. Mr, Mr, Mr, Mr, Mr, Mr, Mr, thia, thia, thii words, thi shorts, to thi shorts, to to to to to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to to to to to to to to to thi, thi, to thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to to to to to to to thi, thi, thi, thi, th. So, th. So, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. too thi. too too too thi. too thi. too thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi We're proud to have them on. This one's for the ladies. Give it up for the man the mythlegian. Mr. Tim Schwartz. How are you, Tim? Great. Thanks for having me on this evening. Tim, do you know that 19-year-old girls love to talk Hollow Earth?

No, that's a surprise to me. And where, where are these 19-year-old girls? They're in Santa Cruz. I I I I I I I I. I. I. I. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. go out and, you know, I'll be willing to talk about the Hollow Earth. If they're interested in it, I'll be talking about it. Yes. So, tell us a little bit about conspiracy journal.com. Sure. Well, Gospircy Journal. thoom is kind of a website that we put together for the guy who publishes all of my books and a bunch of other people's books, guys by the name of Timothy Green Beckley. We put this together back in the early days when the internet was just started, so it's been around that long.

And it's just kind of an aggregate website for all of us to get on there, talk about our books, talk about all the things that we're interested in, UFOs, Bigfoot, conspiracies, the hollow earth. So it's just a little bit of everything on that site. So, and it's not just conspiracies, yeah. It's not just, it's some pottery, some MBA picks, anything that you guys want to talk about is located on the, how did you get into all this stuff? Because right now, being a conspiracy theorist is starting to become cool, right?

Am I just think of this myself? I feel like, I think the more and more we're right, the more and more people come inside. There will always be people, mainly my sound tech, th, is th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is th, is th, is th, is th, is th, is th, is th, is th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, I think the more and more we're right, the more people come inside. There will always be people, mainly my sound tech guy who thinks we're crazy people, but for the most part, you know, there are more and more people coming to our side. There's always going to be people who refuse to believe in the truth. But how did you get into, because you know, how long have you, well let's start over, how long have you been into this, what got you into it, what started the journey that you're on right now? Well it started for me back probably around in third grade, of course not I wasn't interested in this kind of stuff, but we used to have a thing

that the elementary school kids would get called the, um, the weekly reader I is what we called, put out by Scholastic Books. And it was just like a collection of the week's news stories, kind of dumbed down for kids. And our teacher would give us a news article from every issue, and you'd have to do a little essay on it and then read it in front of a class. One time I got an article about UFOs. Never heard of UFOs, could have cared less about UFOs. I was a kid from Indiana, you know, you're gonna be in Indianapolis. Yeah.

I was interested in the Indianapolis 500, basketball, that kind of stuff. So, you know, I did this probably a lay mass essay about UFOs. And that was it for me. Everybody in my class, I was now the guy who believed in flying saucers and little green men from ours and things like that. And I mean that went on through high school. People never forgot that. And what got me interested though was that you know

people would go and you know make fun of you to your face you know when there was a crowd around you know this kids will do but then later they'd come back by themselves and they'd say you know I don't believe in this kind of shit but yeah 100% there is a you know by we saw a UFO one time or our house is haunted or you know my great aunt Gertrude she's been dead for a week yet she still keeps showing up at the foot of my bed at night and that's what got me that's what got me interested in this stuff were these stories that people would come to tell me they weren't interested in you know publicity or making money or anything like that they just wanted to know that what happened to th. th. th. th. their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they their. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're that, they just wanted to know that what happened to them

happened, that they weren't crazy, and they wanted somebody who would listen to the stories not laugh at them. That's the main thing. I get so many people come to me to tell me their weird stories because they can't tell anybody else, you know, you can't tell people to work, you you can't tell their their their their their their their their their their their their their... their tell anybody else. You know, you can't tell people at work, you can't tell your family, your family is the worst. You know, family will never let you forget it and just tease you too, you're in your grave. Oh yeah, my mom hates my conspiracy show. She hates it.

I love her, she loves me so much, she hates my conspiracy show. Well, and right now, there are tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, that, that, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, the th, the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th and thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, thean, that, that, that, ta, tean, tean, tean, tean, tean, tean, the, the, th now, there are a lot of people, especially in politics, who are really gravitating towards just the really extreme hateful end of conspiracies. And, you know, we're, none of us have ever been really about that. So, I mean, you know, we try to keep politics as far as possible when it comes. I mean, you know, when we talk about conspiracies, we're interested in, in, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, the, th, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tha, thi, tha, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi,, I mean, you know, we try to keep politics as far as possible when it comes. I mean, you know, when we talk about conspiracies, we're interested in, you know, UFOs or Bigfoot, a Lochness monster, you know, fun things like that.

You know, we could care less that, you know, some of these things that the, you know, some of these things that the white supremacist and the like are trying to respond. There's always going to be crazy people and unfortunately these crazy people of any group tend to define the group because the, you know, Squeaky Wheel gets the oil, you know, and there's always always going to be white supremacists out there trying to convince you Jews are running everything and they couldn't be more wrong, okay. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there's, thi, there's, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there's there, there's there's there's there, there's there, there's there, there, there, there, there, there's there, there, there, there, there out there trying to convince you Jews are running everything and they couldn't be more wrong okay. There's a lot. Do you have you ever heard that we are now in the age of Aquarius where what is dark comes to light? Do you have any thoughts on that even though necessarily that isn't the big foot and all that stuff but there are some dark art stuff that happen within politics I know you say that's not your thing but you the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. thou. thooooooooooooooooooo. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. the. th. politics. I know you say that's not your thing, but do you have any thoughts on the, you know, the whole age of Aquarius where like this is this whole thing that much will be revealed? It seems like that the age of Aquarius comes around like every

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in UFOs are crazy. And, you know, and vice versa. So, yeah, I mean, I can see it's very easy to, for one group, say, like the flat-earthers, to look at those who believe in the the the the the the the the the the th, and the th, and th, and th, and the UFOs, and the UFOs, and th, th, th, th, th, the UFOs, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, UFOs, UFOs, th, th, UFOs, UFOs, UFOs, UFOs, UFOs, UFOs, UFOs, UFOs, UFOs, UFOs, UFOs, UFOs, UFOs, UFOs, UFOs, UFO, UFO, UFO, UFO, UFO, UFO, UFO, UFO, UFO, UFO, UFO, UFO, UFO, UFO, and, UFO, and, UFO, and v. UFO, and v. UFOs, UFOs, and v. UFOs, and v. UFOs, the UFOs, th. UFOs, the UFOs, the UFOs, the UFOs, uh, uh, uh, uh, UFOs, UFOs, UFOs, UFOs, uh, UFOs, uh, UFOs, uh, UFOs, UFOs, uh, UFOs, uh, UFOs, UFOs, uh, UFOs, uh, UFOs, uh, UFOs, uh, uh, UFOs, UFOs, I mean, I could see it's very easy to, for one group, say like the flat earthers, to look at those who believe in the hollow world and go, oh, you know, these guys, they, you know, they don't know what they're talking about. There's no scientific proof from it. But with any of these subjects that we talk about, at least for me, I try to keep my belief system, so to speak, really on the downlow. I always tell anybody, because, you know, they ask, oh, do you really believe in this stuff? I said, nope, not really. I said, I don't believe in anything. Because if you go and start believing in things, then that's going to sully any research or investigation that you do.

I'll give you an example. One of the things that always, you know, pisses me off more is when I read a book, say like about UFOs. And the author says, well, the eyewitness saw the spaceship hovering over his house. Spaceship? Who says it's a spaceship? The little guys come out and say, hey, you know, this is a spaceship. No, I mean, they're taking that leap of faith that this is a spaceship.

And the same goes for any of this stuff. Yeah, I guess when you label a spaceship, you're putting a little bit of certain ideology on it that could taint what's being said. At the end of the day, it's a UFO. Now, again, we've talked about it, UFOs don't necessarily mean aliens. They could easily mean... It's a unidentified flying object. Yeah, it is obviously I mean where we are in our technology at area 51 or whatever you want to call it you know that they're how far along of the black ops operations or black budget ops operations how far we've gone where we are

we don't know they always say they're like 30 40, 50 years ahead of us on what we have and what we actually get. So it's pretty interesting. Now how do these past creations of myths? What do they tell us where the humans came from? You know, is there an underground world we've had people on before that have said that you know Anunaki or slam meteors into the into the planet and th. th. th. th. th. th. they they they they they they they th. they they the the they they they the they the they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they their their Anunaki, have slammed meteors into the planet and that ant people brought humans in or along the lines of that. What are your thoughts on all that? Well, if you look at really any creation myth that a culture has come up with, They have people originating either from space,

from the stars that we brought here from the stars, or the gods of the heavens brought us here, or they have us coming from underneath the earth. Generally, it's either one way or the other. And if you look at, say, like, say, well, okay, you mentioned the ant people. See, now the Hopi believed that we were, we came, the human race or the Holpe originally, came out of a hole in the ground and helped along by the ant people. And at some point in our prehistoric path, there was some kind of cataclysmic event

that was supposed to happen. So the Ant people came back, came up out of their hole in the ground and took the Hopi underground to live out of the hell, was going on on the surface of the planet, you go all over the world and you will find creation myths very similar to that. And of course, you know, the ancient Greeks, the ancient Hebrews, and the people who lived even, you know, their ancestors.

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ended up there so well and you know this continues with the the modern religious mythology of hell you know an underground place of fire and brimstone and you know little demons poking at you with with brimstone and, you know, little demons poking at you with pitchforks. So I mean, so it's far back as really the beginning of recorded history and probably even further back with oral traditions, we have this idea that there is some kind of world underneath our feet that either we came from, and that, that that, tha, you know, that the there is some kind of world underneath our feet that either we came from and the ancient gods or ascended masters are still living there,

either waiting for us to clean up our acts and they'll come out and help us, or they've got the doors locked and they don't want us ever to find them again. That's so interesting, you know, you brought up about how there is all these references to something in the middle of earth. I always thought that the Hebrews never believed in hell that's why they used to their chicks are so super freaky right? They're like I there's no such things in I can just get weird right but you're saying there is there is thagh. th. th. th. th. the th. th the the th. the th th th the the the th the the th. th. the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their is their is their is their is their is their is no their is no their their their their their their is no their is no their is no their is no their is no th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their th. their their their their their their're saying there is way back in the text there is a reference to something in the middle of earth and when we hear about the mill of earth there's also talk of demons right and then

you're like well you know what could be interpreted as demons lizard people right now then this whole thoughtthought of that, there might be lizard people out there. It's like, is there a similar theme amongst all these religions of these cultures over time that tell maybe not the exact same story, but a very similar story? No, very much so. Well, I mean, so you talk about the lizard people. I mean, you have in Genesis in the Bible, you know, the serpent

that tempted Eve. Now, of course, the interpretation after that was that this was Satan who took the form of a snake, but if you do a very close reading of Genesis, it wasn't Satan, it was just referred to as a serpent. So when you look at some other ancient writings, Sumeria, like you said, some others, there is this idea of a serpent being a teacher of humanity. Not so much a nemesis as the Bible or some of the books on the town would have you, but instead you have this like a reptile that brought us knowledge, taught us how to grow things and to how to start fire and cook foods. So you know you have this interesting dichotomy of some cultures who view these reptile, these

serpent people as our teachers, and then a few others who view them more as the bad guys who are here to to curse us and to eventually tempt us into sin so that when we die we're drugged down to hell. So I mean it's probably it was a situation where you had one culture who didn't care too much for the other one and they're like, well, you know, these guys, you know, their serpent were were nice to them so to us they're probably bad. Our lizard people are nice people. Yeah you know there's also we talked on the last episode forbidden forbidden knowledge or ancient forbidden knowledge. Eagle versus serpent eventually he moats to a dragon. and that's the other the other one thi. And that's they they they they they they they they they didn. they didn. they didn. they didn. they didn. they didn. they didn. they didn't. they didn't. they didn't. they didn't. they didn't. You. It didn't. You. It didn't. It didn't. It didn't. You. It didn't. It didn't. I. I didn't. And they're. And they're. And they're. We don. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We are. We are. We are. We are. We are. We are. We are. We are. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. emotes to a, evolves into a dragon.

And that stuff. And you know, what is up is really down. So like a serpent, which is knowledge, has been demonized. There's theories that, you know need a serpent and a serpent doesn't give them an apple but gives them knowledge for them to leave the garden of Eden there's all that sort of interesting stuff but there are these similar stories and you get into something going on in the middle of earth what is your belief? I know you don't rest your hat on anything. You're like, I'm open-minded to, and that's very much to show. People, what do you believe? Well, I'm open-mind everything.

I like this, this, and this, but come on, make your pitch and let the listeners decide and, you know, welcome to the war that is the comment section. So we'll just let that go on YouTube. But, okay, the earliest stories when it came to the underground world tends to be more along the lines of giant caverns, subterranean tunnels, things like that. Honeycomb? Go ahead, I'm sorry. Is it kind of like a honeycomb? Now we had Jordan Satheron just this week. His episode came out on Monday. He talked about how he didn't think the earth was necessary hollow,

but there's a chance it could be like a honeycomb with little caverns all over the place instead of like one big, big, uh, big middle where everybody hangs out, but all these little kind of like almost in a weird way like underground lavit to I don't know how to describe it but each one having its own little thing going on. Right right and from exploration I mean you know with Spelunkers and people like that we do know that the the crust is full of like a labyrinth of tunnels and and caverns and and the taverns and and the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. the the the the the the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. the the the they. the the the the the the the they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that the crust is full of like a labyrinth of tunnels and caverns. But somewhere, maybe starting around the 16th century, the idea started to come out that possibly, rather than having a solid core, that the earth was hollow, the ebbler. Edmund Haley, the scientist who, the scientists who, the, the scientists who, the, the scientists who, that, the, the, that, th, that, that, th, that, th, that, th, that, that, that, th, th, th, that, th, th. that the earth was hollow. Edmund Haley, the scientist who actually discovered

that comets actually had an orbit in the solar system and would return to the inner solar system every now and then. It was his theory that the earth was kind of like a Russian nesting doll. That if you would go and cut around the equator and pick the crust up, there'd be another earth inside of that and so on and so forth, possibly even as far down as there being a center sun, kind of like our sun in the solar system. And, you know, other people took this and kind of ran with it, but eliminating all the other different planets inside of our own and just had, you know, you'd have the crust and

then inside it would be hollow, possibly with a center sun. And this really became big in the 18th, 19th, in the early 20th century. With, you know, with, again, I mean, you know, you would have a couple of generations of people just really hot and heavy on this and talking about it. You know, their religious beliefs would be centered on this idea. Then it would die away for a while and then come back again. And our modern mythology when it comes to the hollow earth really got its start in the 19th century with a guy by the name of John Simes. And John, he believed that the earth that maybe the crust was maybe about 500 to a thousand miles thick,

and then it would be completely hollow. And on the inside of this, it would be maybe a duplicate of the continents and oceans on the inside and then possibly with a little sun in the center, keeping everything nice and toasty. There's around this time also that they came up with, somebody came up with the idea the inside and then possibly with a little sun in the center, keeping everything nice and toasty. There's around this time also that they came up with, somebody came up with the idea that there could be openings at the North and South Pole that allowed the ocean and the atmosphere to intermingle with the Hollow Earth. And the whole idea of the North and South polar openings. I mean this continued on really, well I mean you know you can go you can go online and find you know people have you know pictures probably photoshopped of supposedly these these

giant openings in the North and South Pole. And what do you I mean like you know, you know, like we've heard people go, you know, we've heard people say, hey, basically like all these countries came together. They all claimed Antarctica. They all said that, you know, you're not allowed at this place. And then, you know, this part of Antarctica. And then this guy said, oh I went across Antarctica by myself and everyone goes, oh see you're allowed there, but Antarctica is huge, okay, right? It's huge. And let's say that

the UN or all the one world governments came together and they locked off a part of Antarctica, but there's a certain part you could cross and people want to take that as it's all BS but like if I can go to the Jersey Shore in New Jersey it doesn't mean I can go to the Jersey Shore in California that's such a big area so if you're allowed to do this over here in New Jersey doesn't mean you could do it over here in Oregon too. Is there any thoughts on that? Well, if you manage somehow to find somebody, say, from New Zealand to fly you or boat you, smuggle you to Antarctica and dump you off there someplace, you'd never be seen again. I mean, you know, you're talking about this.

I can't even remember how how huge this continent is. But, I mean, you know, it's at the bottom of the world. It is the most inclement weather. You would not make it more than you'd be lucky if you made it 10 miles. So you're saying, are you even allowed legally to go there? Like if I get there, am I going to be able to walk 10 miles or am I going to get a sniper shot by some dudes that look like they're from Star Wars riding those weird animals? That's, that's a, that's a good, that'd be a good story.

You know, I don't know whether or not there is any type of legalities, whether or not a private citizen could go. I mean, there are, you know, supposed old land claims that countries over the years have made, you know, in Antarctica. But for the most part, if you managed to get there, there wouldn't be anybody who would shoot at you. Again, I mean, you know, this is such a big area that most people wouldn't even care. So, I mean, you know, unless those secret Nazis, you know, who supposedly built the, built the base there at the end of World War

II found you in their flying saucers, you know, that's the, but I would think that that would be the least of your concern if you manage to get to Antarctica, you know, just on your own. You know, you're brought up obviously, I believe it's Lieutenant Bird or Sergeant Bird's expedition with the Nazis. We'll get into that. Are there some famous attempts to explore Antarctica and find a way in to the Hollow Earth? Well, at first it was the Arctic. You know, I mentioned the gentleman from the early 1800s by the name of John Symes.

Now, John actually petitioned Congress to come up with funds to lead an expedition to the Arctic, to look for the polar openings. Unfortunately, he passed away before, you know, he could accomplish this. But in 1938, Congress did allocate funds, even though they kind of kept it a little bit secret, that they were supposedly looking for some kind of polar opening. You know, instead they were looking for the, what was it, the Northwest Passage, which they did manage to make some headway into that.

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Anyone can visit Antarctica. There's no treaties there. Hold on, you think everybody, anybody can just go there? That's what it says. That's what it says. There are no treaties in an Arctic treaty. So you can travel anywhere on the continent. However, by the same treaty, there are a number of guidelines that all visitors are required to follow. Doesn't mean you can go. I'm pretty sure I don't know if you can find a flight. I don't even know if you can't th you can't thu you can't thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu to to to to tho. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the to the the to to to the to to the to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. to that there's a government of, the government of Anarchar, there's not technically a government,

it is not, there's 52 countries that have signed basically a treaty that basically they all control and it's used for scientific discoveries and stuff like that, which makes me, scientific discoveries and research, makes me think something's going on up there. Down there. Down there. Well, of course, yeah, it depends on where you are. You know, up, down doesn't really matter. But it's like I said before, you know, if you go to Antarctica, most people who go there as private, you know, citizens, and there are, there are two ttours especially that go out of New Zealand.

You don't go very far you can't. It's just it's it would be physically impossible. You just can't strap on a backpack and you know take a load of wood with you and and and hope that you could traverse the surface of Antarctica because I mean it's just the worst place with you and, and uh, and and and, and and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, th, th, th, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th could traverse the surface of Antarctica because I mean it's just the worst place in the world that you would ever want to go unless you're just really into, you know, cold and ice and giant animals. Is there any animals on the Anarica? Are there any, is there any life?

There's penguins along the coast and probably, you know, seals, you know, things that feed on penguins, you know. But that's about it. I mean, you know, there may be some, you know, lichen and algae on the rocks, but that's about, that's about it. Now, allegedly, there are some places that have been claimed to have been found of, you know, like hot springs at various locations where, you know, like volcanic caverns have kept like a small area warm. Again, you know, going back to, you know, the idea that the Nazis supposedly built a secret base there at the end of World War II, you know, part of that was the belief the, you know, the belief that, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, that, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they.e, they.e, they.e, they.e, they.e. And, they.e. And, they.e. And, they. And, they. And, the idea that the Nazis supposedly built a secret base there at

the end of World War II, you know, part of that was the belief that they had found some kind of volcanic cavern that not only helped keep a small area warm but also provided energy for them. So do you buy into any of that? Any of that stuff about the Nazis going up there? We had Bird going up there. And that he didn't really even talk about it, supposedly the story is, that actually it was his daughters or his children after he passed, found his journal in which he wrote about

being basically attacked by Nazis and UFOs. Do you have any belief in that at all? Well, the Germans actually did do some exploration in the 1930s, in certain areas of Antarctica. And it's probably pretty likely that they did establish some kind of base there during World War II. We had some Nazi U-Boat captains that after the end of the war, you know, they surrendered in Argentina.

And when they were being debriefed by the FBI, they basically said that, yes, some of the things that we did was that we dropped off some personnel and equipment at this base at a certain location in Antarctica. Now, that could be true. I mean, you know, they, you had a couple of, of Uboat captains say that, but they also could have been trying to, you know, you had a couple of of Uboat captains say that, but they also could have been trying to, you know, lead the FBI into a different direction because we do know that a lot of Nazis ended up in Argentina brought there by submarines. Yeah. So now, Admiral Byrd, in 1947, the United States Navy had this huge operation called Operation High Jump, where they had, I don't know how many, you know, like a couple of thousand sailors, a bunch of ships, a submarine, an aircraft carrier, all go down to Antarctica,

supposedly for training, to train these guys on the possibility that someday the Russians could try to invade, invade North America by coming over the Arctic. Admiral Baca. I'm sorry, go on. Sorry, it's green with you. Sorry. Well, and of course, I have to realize this was in 1947. It was right at the end. And World War II had really just ended about a year before.

The Navy was in the process of decommissioning ships. And then all of a sudden somebody got this supposedly this wild hair up their ass to go and take all of these ships and personnel to the bottom of the world to supposedly to train these sailors to fight the Russians when it would have been a lot easier and cheaper just to take them up to Alaska or Canada and do that. So there's been all kinds of stories flying around over the years on just what exactly they were down there for. The other thing is that they were supposed to spend most of the Arctic summer, or Antarctic summer down there, but they were there really only maybe six weeks, less than six weeks. And all of a sudden they just loaded up and came back.

And Albuybord gave like a secret briefing to a number of members of Congress. I mean, this was so secret that it didn't even end up in the congressional record, though there were newspaper accounts that Bird was in Washington to talk with his congressman. So what exactly he was talking about? nobody really knows. Now. Now. the. the. the, uh. the. the, uh. th. th. th. th. th. th, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, th, th, was in Washington to talk with his congressman. So what exactly he was talking about? Nobody really knows.

Now a couple of embedded newspaper reporters from South America. Bird told them that he was going to talk to Congress and tell them about his fear that the United States was going to be invaded, as he put it, by missiles flying over the polar regions and attacking the country. And that was all that he would set. So obviously something was going on in Antarctica that spooked him and made him want to come back as quickly as he had. One of the things, as people have speculated, could have been this secret Nazi base, but why,

because it couldn't have been very big. I mean, you know, it's like I said before, Antarctica is not the most friendliest environment to live in, and, you know know where are you going to get supplies unless you're just completely self-sufficient which isn't likely you know it's not very likely that the Nazis are going to be that much of a threat yet something was going on there that that spooked them. Yes something's going on up there now based on some of the notes from the research what is the Shiver mystery? It started...

Shaver. Shaver. Shavor mystery. Well, once again, see, here we are back to this, uh, this hollow earth mystery in the form of, of taverns and tunnels. You know, you had asked, you know, what I believe in. You know, I'm less likely on Monday, Tuesdays, and Wednesdays to believe that the earth is, you know, hollow like, you know, a big, you know, hollowed spear. And the rest of the days of the week, maybe it's just, you know, tunnels and caverns and things

like that. But the shaver mystery mystery mystery mystery mystery in the early 1940s where the editor of a pulp science fiction magazine that was really popular at the time called Amazing Stories. He got a series of letters from this guy named Richard Schaever and Schaever was talking about his personal experiences with these secret underground layers that were populated by a group of beings that he called the Dero. And the Dero was a race of, what did he call it? He said that originally they were like giants

that lived on the surface of the planet, you know, a couple million years ago. And that some kind of cataclysm happened. The sun turned radioactive and they decided that they couldn't live on the surface anymore. So some of them got into spaces and flew away. Others moved underground to these underground caverns that they had built or you know or had augmented natural caverns. Well then see over the millions of years that they live down there, they kind of, you know, got a little crazy and mutated and now,

and now they still have all of this wonderful high-tech equipment down there with them but they're so crazed that they use this equipment to basically make life miserable on the surface. So it's kind of like a modern version of demons. You know people used to believe that they're you know know, like, you know, the devil's spiritual demons. So Richard Schaver just kind of put a modern twist to it. And, but see, Schaver said that he had actually been to these caverns and actually had experienced with these creatures.

And so when Palmer, Ray Palmer, he was the editor of the science fiction magazine. He decided that he would write a kind of like a fictionalized version of these stories that Schaever was telling him. And when he started publishing this stuff, people from all started writing him saying, yes, this has happened to me. This stuff is true. And Palmer was, you know, first of all, he was a gossed that, that people were taken thi thi thi thi thi that, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, the, he would the, he would thi, he thi, he thi, he that, he that, he that, that, that, that, that, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi.e, thi.eeeeeeeeeeeeeat, thi.. Hea. He was, thi. He was, thi. Hea. He was, thi. He was thi, thi. Hea, this has happened to me. This stuff is true. And Palmer was, you know, first of all, he was a goss that people were taking this seriously and that people were saying that they were actually having the same experiences.

So, you know, Palmer, he was a smart guy, so he decided he would just run with this and make a bunch of money and for a while they did. Yeah, I mean, like, what you're saying to me about these Dero's? Dero stands for detrimental robots. What? Okay, so what you're saying to me sounds a lot like what we always hear about lizard people, okay? And that they feed off our negative energy. They need our negative energy to, to, they amplify it. That's why they make us miserable

because they feed off our energy. They're psychopath, they can't create, so they hate creation. So they feed off our negative energy. It's like, it's very weird that, you know, this is yet another, like another piece that I've heard before but told in a little different way. That, you know, we've heard over and over and over again about something in the middle of the earth that looks like a demon. Lizard people look like demons to me. They look weird right here.

There's a couple of pictures on them. I clicked them. Yeah, they're more like drawings, but... Uh, yeah, dude. Here we got, okay. Now we got some like, longated heads that we've seen with aliens. And with the, in Egypt, those elongated heads with the pharaohs. It's so crazy, dude.

It all ends up coming together. It's like, you know, Askimos having 40 words for snow, but it's all snow. Yep. Well, you know, the reptilians, I mean, it is. I mean, this is just kind of like a modern version of Shavers Deeros. And of course, Shavers Deeros, you know, I mean, it was their modern version of the demons from hell. But what really, I guess, captivated everybody was, you know, all the people who said that, yes, this stuff is true.

And if, really, if the modern UFO era didn't come about it, you know, there's a few years later in 1947, probably the whole Deereau Middle Earth type of thing would have taken that place, would have filled that ecological pop culture niche, that UFOs filled. And in fact, it wasn't long before the two, you know, the Hollow Worth and the UFOs kind of became intertwined. One of the reasons is that Richard Schaever, when he was writing about this stuff in the early 1940s, he talked about how the Dero had

saucer-shaped spacecraft that they, you know, flew around with and that we were being visited at the, you know, by aliens that kind of had like, they traded goods and services with the Dero and that these aliens... For our women. Use sauc sauce. Yeah, that's right. Everybody wants to bang human chicks. I don't know what it is everybody wants to bang human chicks. Real quick getting back to the banging okay I have some notes. The Dero's had underground orgies. Yep. Well and that was see that was part of the whole a Dero mythology is that was part of the whole Deero mythology, is that not

only were they, you know, mutated and their bodies were just, you know, like fat and pus-ridden and things like that, but their minds were degenerated to such a point that they were sexually insatiable. Now, of course, this was pretty slander stuff in the 1940s and 50s, so a lot of this material never really got published. But Richard Schaever just, you know, he probably, you know, could have written, you know,

like those old Greenleaf adult novels, because the stuff that he wrote about, about these orgies, the Dero would come to the surface and kidnapp the the the the their their thup up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up thupupupupupupupupup the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, you, you, you, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, you know, you know, the, thin thinnipen up, thinn't thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, the stuff that he wrote about about these orgies, the Dero would come to the surface and kidnap human women and bring them down for, you know, they're depraved purposes. You know, there's actually stories. And these are still around today. That allegedly that there are certain buildings in cities all across the world that if you go

to their elevator and tap the elevator button to the basement and once you reach the basement tap it say like two times or three times or something like that it'll take you into like these secret underground locations that that you know if you don't watch it you'll end up being caught by the Darrow and either be, you know, be part of their sex slaves or eaten. You know, probably, you know, somebody like me, you know, no sex slaves there, I'd be eaten. What do you mean? You don't think the Darrell want to get some of your ass, man? Come on, dude, I don't think so. Why are they kidnapping Earth chicks? Are De Niro chicks not put now? Are they just not getting it done?

Well, I mean, you saw you saw the pictures there of you know what the what the the Dero look like. I mean, you know, it's just like, we're not having any of that. You know, earth chicks. You go on the surface, you know, the surface. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the the the the. the. the. the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. t. t. t. te. te. te. te. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. that match. You go on the surface, you know, the surface women, they're fine. Yeah, we'll just go with them. Yeah, for sure, dude. It's like Dana Point chicks, right? You're like, they're shiny objects. Wherever they're sun, money and cocaine, there's hot chicks. And that's what I think is going off to Darryl, they want to get weird with some that's like objection like the party that sounds like abduction yeah Like the same thing like alien adduction lizard aductions you just go up or you go down

It's just like every I I think like all these These interdimensional beings treat earth like Tijuana they just go there and they just like to see the natives do weird shit, you know that maybe they can't get at home They're like all they're married with their their their their they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their they're their their their their theired theired theired their their theired theired like their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. like just like just like just like just like just like just like just like just like just like just like just like just like just like just like just like they just like they just like they just like they just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just like they just just just like. they just just like. they just like. they're just like. they're just like. they're just like. they just like. they just like. they just they just go. they just go. they just go. they just go. they just go. they can't get at home. They're like, oh, they're married with some De Niro wife who's just always busting their balls. Like, when you're gonna make more money? You know, my dad says you're a failure, you're a failure at being a de nero. And he's like, once a while, I just want to get a couple earth chicks and get freaking weird down there, tho, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right,there, right? It's all right. But you look at all of these old mythologies, new mythologies, and a lot of times it always involves sex and human women.

You know, we're talking about the Bible earlier, you know, the Old Testament has the, oh, the, some people call them the Ananaki or the Nephalum, the, the, uh, the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, uh, the, the, the, the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the, the, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, some people call them the Anonaki or the Nephilim, the that the Bible they were referred to as the sons of men. Supposedly they were like the fallen angels, but you know they came to earth and that they saw that you know the earth women you know look him good so they took them you know they took them for wives you know as many as they could have. So I, you know, look him good. So they took them, you know, they took them for wives, you know, as many as they could have. So, I mean, you know, stories are the same. Everybody just wants to get some earth chick action. It's unbelievable to me. Here's another thing. Another letter claiming involvement with Deeros came from Fred, Fred, Chrisman later to gain in his role in the Mural, Islan incident and JFK. the J... the the the the the theirk. theirk. theirk. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. I. I. their. their. their. their. their. their. they. they. they. And. their. they. they're. they're. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. t. t. the. the. t. the. the. the. the. t. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. t. And. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. the. the. Norley in his role in the Murrell Island incident and JFK assassination. Hold on what okay yeah see I mean

you're reading is as bad as mine what is this real quick what did you say? Right there are you sell me some De Neros are involved in a JFK assassination that says that's what that says I don't even know. Now dude so you're saying? That's what that says. I don't even know. Now, dude, so you're saying my, our shirt that says alien shot JFK, it might be real. Yep. And what is the, what does the, the alien have on the thing? A long ass head.

Bring, go to look up the picture. Oh my god, it all comes together. It all comes together. Wow. Yep. Yeah, Fred Cresman was well known in the early days of the UFO mystery, especially like I said with the Morrie Island incident. And then later he would go on to somehow, I can't remember exactly what his involvement was, but supposedly he was in, you know, one of the millions of people allegedly who were involved with the JFK assassination. Oh my God, just when you think you have everybody locked down on who was in that plaza,

that day they rolled that poor man through, now you get another layer. Now you get another layer, these hollow earth dudes who come here to bang our chicks, shot our president too. What was it? They said that there was someone in the drain? Yeah, probably was. There you go. I am.

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people had any idea of, you know, holograph. the science behind this stuff. He didn't call it holographic. He called it like three-dimensional projections, but his descriptions sounds suspiciously like holograms, but he said that the Darrow, using this ancient machinery, which could create hallucinations in people, it could, like, mind control somebody to make him, you know, you know, get a gun and go out and, you know, suddenly shoot up their classroom, things like that. You know, this was the type of stuff that he was written writing about, you know, decades

ago, and it seems like the further along that we get, it's just almost like, you know, maybe this guy was on to so, you know, we're, you, you're, th., th., th., th. th. th. th. th. th. We're, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thi, thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, thi. thi. the further along that we get, it's just almost like, you know, maybe this guy was on to some. You know, we're sitting here kind of making fun of him and saying, you know, this guy is just nuts. Yeah. But, you know, maybe something that he's talking about may have like a smidgen of reality to it. Now, do you think that this could play into this whole Project Blue Beam that, you know, is a that, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, you know, you know, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, we're thi, we're thi, we're thi, you're thi, you're thi, you're thi, you're thi, you're thi, you're thi, you're thi, you're th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, the the the the thin the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, to it. Now do you think that this could play into this whole project blue beam that you know is everybody's in a community conspiracy community aka spiritual skeptics aka truth seekers believe that a lot of this UFO talk that's being pushed right now involves this ancient myth that the elites of the world want to use a fake alien attack to get us to come under a one world government? Well I don't know about that. I would think

that technology you know if they had that technology, you know, if they had that technology, they would have used it quite a long time ago. Because, I mean, let's see, I was, you know, into the internet pretty early on, I mean, very early in 1990s, and they were already talking about Project Blue Beam then. So obviously it had been circulating around before that. So, I mean, I have no doubt that there probably is the technology to make that happen. I heard an interesting story about a government military contractors one time were at a convention. And the master of ceremonies came out on stage and was to stage and was talking about a convention, and the master of ceremonies came out on stage and was talking to everybody, talking about what a great time we're going

to have and all these interesting military technologies that they were going to introduce, and then all of a sudden he just disappeared, and that was an example of how far long they had with holographic technology. And this was a story that came out in probably the middle 1990s. Right now we've got these concerts taking place, like with Roy Orbison, where he's a holographic projection, but it's not quite as perfect as you see in some of these science fiction films, but the military, as you said to the beginning of the show, you know, they're probably 30, 40, 50 years ahead of civilian science.

So I have no doubt that some aspects of Project Blue Beam are possible. Some of this may have actually been thought of by people like Richard Schaver, supposedly getting these telepastic communications from these Dero underground. He's super horny Dero to just want to get weird and get everybody pregnant, right? So we see within pop culture references, books, comic books, what is, what is, do you think that they, Eddie Bravo believes that, you know, Hollywood and all this stuff, they use, um, pop culture as propaganda to get us to somewhat believe a so, you know, Hollywood and all this stuff. They use pop culture as propaganda to get us to somewhat believe a certain view of a particular topic, you know, whether it's you know,

the trans agenda or gay agenda or, you know, now we have this thing where they think they're trying to normalize pedophilia I'm sorry those are weird examples but do you think that that has been done with hollow earth at all? Well you know the hollow earth has been a part of pop culture for a long time I mean you know you had a Jules Verne he wrote what was it a journey to the center of the earth back in mean, you know, you had Jules Verne, he wrote, what was it, a journey to the center of the earth back in the, you know, the 19th century. Egerice Burroughs, you know, the guy who wrote the Tarzan books. I mean, he had a whole series of books about Pelusidar, which was the hollow earth. And just like, you know, they described it. I mean, they got there through th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th tho their tho tho their, tho tho their, their, tho tho their, tho th, what was tho their, their, th, what was, what was th, what was th, what was their, what was their, what was, what was, what was their, what was, what was, what was their, what was their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, what was, their, their, what was their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the Hollow Earth. And just like, you know, they described it. I mean, they got there through polar openings

and it was filled with dinosaurs and, you know, beautiful cave women and things like that. So, taking that a step further, do I think that Hollywood is going to take, or has been taking to try to push the Holloway theory if they are they've done a really bad job of it so far. Not the only really blatant Holloworth book was a movie was one called At the Earth's Core which was produced by a company in Britain called Am At the Earth's Core, which was produced by a company in Britain called Amicus. It had Peter Cushing in it. And while it had some good ideas,

it was pretty bad, you know, monsters in rubber suits. I mean, you know, the Japanese Godzilla movies were a lot better than those. But, you know, the television series Dark Skies that came out in the early 2000s, the writers and producers of that were approached by some mysterious men who claimed to have been from the government, who told them that they had read their scripts. And this was before the show they had done a pilot, but it hadn't even been broadcast yet, yet these government men said that they had read all the scripts,

and that they were interested because they got some of the information right, and that they were wanting to reveal more so they could put this stuff into the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the of the information right and that they were wanting to reveal more so they could put this stuff into the television show to kind of push this extraterrestrial agenda. So you know I think that it's possible to a certain extent that there that there could be some kind of clandestine groups, parts of the government military, what have you, who are trying to push certain agendas, albeit very slowly and just very succinctly, over the years, to, you know, to game, you know, whatever, who knows? I mean, you know, it's like he said, I mean, you know, there's a lot of conspiracy authors that, you know, whatever it is that they're most afraid of, whether it's, you know, that,

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Oh. Okay, listen, listen, Tim, I'm gonna ask you a final question, because I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm not sure this answer. Do you believe in a form of hollow earth or not? Yes, I do. I do think that the, that the earth has all kinds of tunnels and caverns and things like that. I mean, you know, South, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. thi, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, thom, thom, thom. I'm thom. I'm they they they they they they they they th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they they they, they they they they they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're tha, tha, tha, they're they're they're tha, they're they're tha, that, they're tha, they all kinds of like tunnels and caverns and things like that. I mean, you know, South America, they have found all kinds of really ancient tunnels into the earth. Some of them go for miles and miles and have never been completely explored.

So, I mean, you know, knowing what I do about geology and how things work, you know, I have no doubt. And you know, it would not surprise me that somewhere, or maybe, you know, several somewheres, there may not be some kind of ancient civilization that still exists somewhere underground. You know, maybe they had to move underground to save themselves from some kind of ancient cataclysm and then decided after we took over that, yeah, we're not going back up there. You know, I think that's an entirely possible. Yeah. Wow, wow. He's Tim Schwartz. He's got some great stuff. You can check out some of his stuff at Conspiracy Journal.

tho. He's featured preferably on a YouTube channel called Mr. UFO's Secret Files. He came, he saw, he kicked a lot of ass. We finally did a Hollow Earth episode. I really enjoyed it. Tim, again, you're welcome back anytime. You got anything else you want to talk about? I thoroughly enjoyed our conversation. Is there anything I miss that you like the plug so our listeners can come?

Maybe these two 19-year-old chicks will hit you up and you never know. Maybe you can get your Darrow on, you know, you never know. That's right. Yeah, well, thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it and you know, I mean any of those young girls that want to talk about? I'm open for that. He's available, dude. He's available. Won't even charge that much to talk, ladies. Again, he's Tim Schwartz.

He came, he saw. We appreciate you coming on. And I hope everybody listening. If you're in Sacramento, come out to Harlows tonight, because we are going to rock.