Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #235: The Treatment Of Dr. Punyamurtula Kishore

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Starting point is 00:05:34 As you know, I struggle with drugs and alcohol myself, I have some time together. Glory, glory, halululia. I think treatment is a a it's become an industry and it kind of sucks because sometimes if you don't have the resources to get the help you might fall through the cracks. Joining us is Mauricio. Gavani? Did we get it? Kind of Marcello Goyana. You messed that one. That was it. Don't put down myto me, okay? Don't put down my record. My records are already zero and a thousand.

Starting point is 00:06:10 He contacted me about getting on this wonderful doctor who spent his whole life and his freedom to try to change the way we look at. He's with the very, the very interesting who has an alternative look at how to deal with treatment. Dr. Kishore, how are you doctor? I'm doing good Sam and it's a great pleasure to be here today. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for coming on our little show.

Starting point is 00:06:37 Hopefully we'll let people know about all the great work that you've done. So you've worked in prisons with addicts. I think I personally have a real problem with our drug laws. We know that Nixon bragged about drugs. Our drug laws would, you know, it was basically used as a weapon against the black community and hippies and I think drug laws are just like prostitution laws. They're basically just used to hurt poor people. We see pharmaceuticals and sugar dating. Those are done by rich people and they don't go to jail.

Starting point is 00:07:13 We have drug laws and prostitution. We're going to focus on drugs, of course. I feel like drugs, you shouldn't go to treatment. I think if I do drugs, I'm only hurt. Jail should be for violent crimes and stealings. What have you seen in the system when dealing with addiction, what is something you learned while working with addicts in our prison system? The vast majority are there for small stuff, smoking marijuana in the street corner to position of, you know, whatever they're using. Sixty to seventy percent of the people there are

Starting point is 00:07:52 there for petty crimes that need not even be called a crime. It's a travesty of justice. The prison population during my time there from 1979 to 92 went from like 2,000 people to like 29,000 people. It's a mass incarceration, that's what we call it. It's a mass incarceration which is unneeded, not needed. And you know. So Dr. Kishore at the age of 29, going into each different prison in Massachusetts and actually

Starting point is 00:08:27 helping people inside. Instead of most doctors who actually just sit in their office and stroke their chins, Dr. Kishore is a very unique doctor. He went against the status quo, he went against Big Pharma, and that's what makes them really different. Marcell, how did you find out about the doctor? What made you so interested in his work and how did you learn about him? Yeah, so he actually came to my school back when I was going to UMass Boston.

Starting point is 00:08:55 He came with a speaker that actually gave a talk about the dangers of GMOs and Monsanto. So Dr. Kishore was there helping that speaker and we started talking and we exchanged numbers and then I was just fascinated by his story. So it's pretty much like a movie. His whole story is unbelievable. You know, we have the crime bill of 1994, the Clintons, we actually see this somewhat, this kind of dark arts movement, where we see in the late 80s, early 90s, this shift. This th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the th, the thiiomomomombs, thiombs, thiombs, this kind of dark arts movement, where we see in the late 80s, early 90s, this shift from the popular music, which is like rap, it's called, right, where you have public

Starting point is 00:09:35 enemy doing positive black community rhymes to this, what they call crime rhymes, which is NWA, all these gangbangers, all this glorifying street life. And at the same time, on the other side of the coin, the white coin, let's say, we see this move from rock and roll to grunge. Grunge is very much all about heroin abuse, being like depressed, being sad. And right after that, we see the crime bill of 1994 which helps just basically explode the prison population due to drugs in particular the black males destroying the black family unit. Did you were you working in the prison system during this time and did you see this

Starting point is 00:10:23 slowly happen doctor? I started working in 1979 and was there till 1991 so it's a little bit before the crime bill. But I saw even then I saw the numbers grow exponentially. We had a smaller prison population in 1980s. Then then by 1990s it really exploded. You have a model for treatment and you know as somebody who deals with treatment I didn't have insurance for the longest time I didn't I didn't you know I was I couldn't afford to go to rehabs. The blessings is that AA I never have to give a dollar you know you'd give it out of thanksfulness for them letting you sit down and talk to other alcoholics, but you've created your own,

Starting point is 00:11:10 your own program in 1989, breaking off from the regular system, achieving 50 to 60% successful rate of patients staying sober more than a year, over 30 times more effective than the mainstream treatment. What is your process compared to mainstream process? It's availability, access, same day service, treatment on demand, and harm avoidance. the harm avoidance, not just harm reduction, but harm avoidance. So we gave everything into one primary care practice. One-stop shopping is the key, continuity of care so that people don't fall in the cracks. They can call the doctor anytime of the day or night. If they needed help in the home, to return homes to see them, talk to them. We had teams of people.

Starting point is 00:12:01 See, I went to the Harvard School of Public Health, where I trained in community medicine and community practice. So I'm different from other doctors who stay in their offices. I enjoyed going to the community, seeing what their needs are, taking care of them right then and there where they are at. That's the key. The treatment on demand and harm avoidance, not just harm reduction. We don't use harm reduction for our cars. We don't want a bumper scratched or a rear and busted. We have to have the same philosophy for our human beings who are sitting in front of us. So we taught them a lot of technologies, we made ourselves accessible.

Starting point is 00:12:44 It's a lifelong care. People don't have to go anywhere else except come to to the primary the primary the primary the primary to the primary the primary the primary to the primary the primary the primary the primary the primary the primary the primary to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their tea tection. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their., their.... their. their. their. ta. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea. tea. tea of technologies, we made ourselves accessible. It's a lifelong care. People don't have to go anywhere else except come to the primary care doctor. The only thing where continuity of care exists is in primary care. Everywhere else you go, you see a doctor, you get a piece of paper saying this is my opinion, and then you go away. There is no responsibility for the care of the individual. The only place where there is a responsibility responsibility the care the care the care the care the care the care the care the care the care the care the care the care the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their the for the care of the individual. The only place where there is responsibility for the care of the individual is in primary care. So I set up 52 offices in the state where people can just walk in. If they have a need that moment, they can walk right in.

Starting point is 00:13:17 And my name to fame is home detox or outpatient detox. So we don't send people away. We take care of them in our offices. See for an addicted person, what they fear, they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they their their their their their their their their their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their their their to to to to tea.a. tea. tea. tea. toe. I toe. I toe. I toe. I their is. I their is people away. We take care of them in our offices. See, for an addicted person, what they fear most is the withdrawal coming off the drugs. Getting on the stuff is easy, but getting off the stuff is hard. We made it easy for them to get off the stuff. We took care of their symptoms. We gave them comfort medicines. And within three to five days, out there, you know, off the hook. Once they're off the hook, you know, we ran with a ball. We kept the sobriety going by testing and blocking the cravings and creating, you know, distracting the people. And then people, once they get past three to six months of sober life, wow, they took off like a rocket ship.

Starting point is 00:14:05 And in general, patients did all the treatha treateeeatement treateatement treateatement treateatement treateatement treateatement treate, treate, treate, the the the like a rocket ship and in general patients did all the hard work I just presided over the treatment and we reap the benefits So it is not that hard. It's not rocket science. It's low tech You got to be meet the people where they are you cannot stigmatize them. You cannot say you bad person go away. You got to you got to embrace them and work with them. That's my model. What is the biggest problem you see with mainstream treatment? I think it's gotten too much about money and I have no problems with, like my dad taught me a long time ago, never hate anybody for making a dollar, but sometimes I wonder if that trumps actually helping people. Do you do you think what is the biggest problem with mainstream treatment right now? The biggest problem is

Starting point is 00:14:56 fragmentation. Everything is broken down. The detox is done by one group of people, then they have no other care or responsibility for the patient. Then they send them to a rehab center, where they do one or two weeks, and then they have no response for the patient. The poor patient have to fend for themselves. And sometimes they don't have a will and wear with all to do it. It's a very complicated insurance system. The third partyparty reimbursement is very,

Starting point is 00:15:25 very hard to figure out. Even for doctors, it's very hard to figure out. How many days, how many slots? We demolish the whole system by putting them into primary care. Primary care is cheap dollars. There are two types of money in insurance medicine. One is a mental health piece and the other one is the primary care piece. The mental health piece is very expensive medicine. And people just get doled out a few visits here and there with the insurance company. Whereas primary care is lifelong, but it's cheap dollars. It's a $15, $30 per visit.

Starting point is 00:16:01 So I put my bucks on, treating them in primary care rather than the specialty realm. So then my patients had continuity of care. They can reach out to me any time of the day or night. That made the huge difference. They were able to call me before they slip, before they slip and slide. We caught them. So we were able to study them, give them a helping hand, and they took off like a rocket ship from their own. So it's just the initial few weeks to few months is critical. And that's where we were there for them every day. When you, when you study drug addicts, doctor, is there a common characteristic with them?

Starting point is 00:16:47 Is there something that they all have in common? I hear a lot of people, there's stuff about their childhood, you know, the traumas, you know, the traumas that deal with that. Some people keep reliving over and over and over again, past childhood traumas. For me, I just really liked the party. I just really liked it. But was there one thing that drug dealers tend to have in common? Was there something that, you know, if you saw this, you'd be like, oh, I bet you that guy had problems with drugs or anything like that?

Starting point is 00:17:15 I call addicted people accidental tourists. See, people can get into addiction any which way. My youngest patient was a ninety-year-de-de-de-de-de-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-de-de-dea-dea-dea-dea-dea-dea-dea-dea-dea-due d' that drug drug drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug that drug th thii-dea-dea-dea-dea-dea-a-a-dea-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-s. that that that thatourists. See, people can get into addiction any which way. My youngest patient was like eight years old, the oldest was a 93-year-old Harvard doctor. So people can walk into addiction by way of most accidental. People try to fix themselves. One common theme I see is self-medication. People might have irritable bowel, right? The stomach is grumbling all the time.

Starting point is 00:17:48 They go to the doctor, doctor gives some medicines that don't work. But once they take a little bit of oxycontin, the stomach rumblings go away, they feel like they don't need to look for the nearest bathroom. So then it becomes a habit. So self-medication is very high in the addicted community, partially because it's a medical failure, physician failure, the physicians who are seeing them since childhood for it, they're not recognizing the problems and giving them the right help. So people try to say, okay my doctor

Starting point is 00:18:20 didn't fix me, I'll fix myself. So the other common thing is asthma is very common. Most of my asthmatics are police officers who stand in the duties outside. They take a medicine called Autram which is a highly addictive but they don't have the breathing problems anymore. So self-medication is very common, medical problems. Crown's disease, another problem. Of course, the back pain and the leg pain and the different kind of aches and pains people experience. They can either get treated by proper doctors

Starting point is 00:18:53 with proper procedures, or they can chew up a little oxycontin or a little heroin, and then they feel good. So opiate drugs fix every problem in the world. They're called cure all. They cure everything. They can the head the head the head the head the head the head the head the head the head the head the head the head the head the head the head their pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain, and the head, and the head, and the head, and their pain, and the leg pain, and their pain pain, and the leg pain and the leg and the leg and the leg and the leg and the leg and the leg and the leg and the leg and their pain and their pain and their pain and their pain and their pain and their pain and the pain and the pain and the pain and the pain and the pain and the pain and the pain and the pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain pain, and their pain, and their pain, and their pain, and their pain, and their pain, and their pain, their pain, their pain, their pain, their pain, their pain, their pain, and their pain, and their pain, and their pain, and their pain, and drugs fix every problem in the in the world. They're called cure all. They cure everything. They can cure the headache, they can cure premature ejaculation, they can cure premature cramps. They're the solution for everything. So when there is no good doctors in the loop, that's what people do. What do they do? They have to live their life 24-7. The doctors are there like no good doctors in the loop, that's what people do. What do they do? They have to live their life 24-7.

Starting point is 00:19:27 The doctors are there like a quick snapshot. You don't see them again. And then they go to the local, hey, what do I do for this aches and pains or my cramps, and suddenly they get a pill and next thing you know they're hooked. So this is what's happening out there. The lack of medical care is the prime problem for addiction. Well also we're finding out now that these these pharmaceutical companies are bribing these doctors to basically prescribe these drugs in mass the overprescribe. I mean I remember um... to basically prescribe these drugs in mass qualities all over prescribe. I remember when I was young I used to have bad acne on my back and you know I was doing some research and there was I forget what the drug was they used on your back.

Starting point is 00:20:17 Aaron do you remember what it was? What? I don't know what I can't hear you but the point is... Acutane? Maybe Acutane, maybe Acutane? Yeah, Acutane. And I just read that, Acutane was like having some serious negative effects. Well, I went to the doctor and I forget what he's looking at, but he commented on my baccane, and he's like, you have nasty backney. It's like, really bad and it's only going to get worse. he's like, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, I I I I, thi, I, I, thi, I, I, I, I, I, I thi, I thi, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I thin, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I just, I just, I thus. And, I thus. And, I thus. And, I th. And, I, I, I, I, I, I th. And, I th. And, I, I, I th. And, I th. And, I th. And, I th. And, I's, th. And, I'm, thin, thin, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, t t t t t t t t t t t t th th t to get worse. He's like I think you should try

Starting point is 00:20:45 Acutin. And I'm like wow man. I mean more and more research is coming out that that's not good. And in fact that this guy pushed it on me. Have we got away from actual health sure? I mean, and doctors taking care of patients and got to the point where like we're just drug dealers in lab coats pushing product for cash. That's right I think you know both sides of the aisle are the same. One is legal other one is you know sort of illegal. The doctors are when they go into medical school they're groomed by the pharmaceutical companies to be prescribers of medicines. Doctors technically have three responsibilities to prescribe a medicine to be prescribers of medicines. Doctors technically have three responsibilities to prescribe a medicine to cure a problem, to prescribe,

Starting point is 00:21:30 and to prohibit. The doctors have to use all three powers they have. Most of them only think they can prescribe a medicine and that's the beginning, middle and the end, but they don't talk to the patients enough, they don't try to resolve issues. So this is where the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their theirms theirms the beginning, middle, and the end. But they don't talk to the patients enough. They don't try to resolve issues. So this is where the problems are stemming from, lack of good medical care. Would you jump in a bit? Talk about the doctors being groomed at salespeople. I mean, the biggest difference, though, with Dr. Shor is that he never prescribed any methadone or suboxin, right? That's one of the biggest difference.

Starting point is 00:22:05 He always spoke against the methadone industry here in Massachusetts, and that's where he really started getting attacked. So he was even willing to write articles against the methadone clinics here in Massachusetts, and he would get calls from Big Pharma, which would subtly threaten him, right? And say, hey, you need to take back those statements. Every single time Dr. Kishore was like, fuck you, I'm not taking that back, is what I believe in. You know, it's very right.

Starting point is 00:22:34 The power of, you know, I did not realize, I wrote an editorial one time. See, it's not drugs that are good or bad, it's the, you know, just like the guns, it's not the guns that are bad, it's the people who don't know how to use it right. So, same thing with medicines. You know, methadone could help a pregnant female deliver a baby safely. There is uses for it. You've got to use the right dose at the right time for the right amount of period of time. This is where the knowledge is important. Doctors have to sit with a patient.

Starting point is 00:23:09 So methadone is what they give for pregnant females, so the baby is not withdrawing in the belly. But they have to take it down very slowly. By the time the baby is born, the baby should be drug-three, otherwise the state will take it away. Even though they have prescribed it, they have power and control to take the baby away. And the baby now is addicted. So now we've got the mom addicted, the baby addicted, the baby is taken away from the mom's arms. Oh my mom is in a lot of psychic pain and she's crying all the time and you know the baby is not bonding right. So these are the problems we are creating for ourselves. It should be common sense right?

Starting point is 00:23:48 Like why are we giving opioids to people that are addicted to opioids? Right? No one talks about the effects of methadone, but we can get into that. It's all suppressed by mainstream media. If you look on Google you won't find anything about it. You just the first page if you type the thoe the thoe thoe thoe thuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thus, thus, the is the is the is thoes, the is thii is the is thoes, thoes, tho tho tho tho tho thoes, the the the, the the, the, the the the, the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi is c. thi is c. thi is c. thi is c. the is c. the is c. thrii is c. theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeean. the the the theiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii., the first page, if you type in how much methadone makes, the first page on Google is pretty much just a bunch of academic articles about the benefits of methadone. Then you go on duck, duck, go, you type in the same thing, how much methadone makes, you actually find like good articles exposed to corruption behind methadones, clinics, and now they're just trying to profit off of addicts which just mostly comes from taxpayer dollars right I mean we should all be like enraged but no one really talks about methadone and the suboxin industries at all. You were talking about I believe

Starting point is 00:24:37 when we're having a conversation that I believe or maybe it was a different that methadone was only meant to be a quick fix to get you off it and the and the and now and now and now and now. and now. and now. the the the th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, I's just just just just thi, thi, I'm just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just, I th. th. the th. th. th. the th. th. the the th. th. the th. the th. the the th. thi. thi. the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm just, I'm methadone was only meant to be a quick fix to get you off it, and now it's like people are on it for like years and years and years and years. Exactly, yeah, well at first, I don't know if you know the history of methadone, it was started by the Nazis during World War II. It always started by the Nazis. They ran out of morphine, right? So they had to give to the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th, th, th.. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thoe, thi, thi, thi, thoom, thoom, tho, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, people, thi. And, people, people, people, thi. And, people, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi, thi, thi. And, thi. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. People, thi. People, thi. People, that, that, thi. People, thi. People, thi. People, thi. People, people, thi. People thi. People, people, people, people, people, right? So they had to give all their soldiers methadone, but it really took off in the U.S. during the Nixen era.

Starting point is 00:25:08 So during the time that all the U.S. soldiers were coming back from Vietnam, a lot of them were using heroin, but the mainstream narrative was that all of them came back, and continued using heroin, which is completely false. Only 5% of the US soldiers kept on using heroin, mostly because they reconnected with their families, they couldn't. Did we lose them? Excellent. There was a huge push to open up methadone clinics.

Starting point is 00:25:42 Well, I mean, what we're seeing right now is like if you watch television right what percentage of commercials are for a pharmaceutical drug? A large part a large part. You get at least one for every show. I think there's probably like two or three for every show. That'd be once every commercial break. And you're like why is this commercial there? Who has gone to the doctor going hey doc I saw that commercial where the girl's the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the girl is the girl is the girl is th. th. the girl is th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. What th. What's th. th. th. What's th. What's th. What's th. What's the the the the the the their their their their. What's their. What's their. What's their. What's their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I's th. I's th. I's not. I's not. I's not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I why is this commercial there? Who's gone to the doctor going, hey, Doc, I saw that commercial where the girls running in a flower dress through the fields of wheat and it was about a depression. I, I wanted, they said I should ask you about that. Has anyone ever done that in a history of time?

Starting point is 00:26:19 No. What is that about? That is about controlling about controlling about controlling about controlling controlling controlling controlling controlling controlling controlling controlling controlling control control control control? that? that? that? that? that? that? that? that is that about? That is about controlling the message. So they buy all of these commercials so that if the news on that channel decides to run a story about big pharmaceutical, they'll threaten to pull all of their ads off. And everybody freaks out. And they don't want to do it. And that's got, that's where we are right now now we're at a place where there's no real discussion about what's going on with big pharmaceuticals I mean the the explosion in heroin production I mean opium

Starting point is 00:26:58 production and opium abuse has gone nuts it skyrocketed since we invaded Afghanistan because we were told that these hijackers from there and it's not even true. Why are we in Afghanistan? Well the Taliban wanted to burn, they burned poppy fields. They declared them outlawed, so we had to send our troops in now to protect them for big pharmaceuticals. Are we, are, are we, are, why isn't there a discussion about what's going on with drugs in this country? You know, I applaud you. I think what you're saying is so true. The, the power and control of people is so much. When people are on drugs, they're like slaves. They're like a voluntary slave for the system.

Starting point is 00:27:46 And human beings are becoming a commodity. Human beings should be cherished. Human beings should be lifted up. But instead of that, they're being suppressed into the ground by these drug cartels. You know, if you come to Boston, we'll show you a place called the methadone mile. Maybe... It's pretty much a zombie apocalypse there. It's right next to one of the biggest hospitals here in Boston, the Boston Medical Center. None of the people there, police, the doctors, they don't care about anything going on.

Starting point is 00:28:17 There's literally people shooting up in broad daylight right underneath the hospital. You can just see that as you're driving by either stabbings. You can see the long lines of methadone is because they're everywhere. Because in reality, communities and the people inside communities, they don't like methadone clinics being set up in their communities. The crime rate increases, the, I mean, people that are on methadone, they can just sell that for their drug of choice, right?

Starting point is 00:28:48 No one talks about that either. And the huge relapse rate on methadone as well, or the fact that it's harder to withdraw on heroin than it is to withdraw on heroin. So that's really one of the main reasons that people stay on it forever. The heroin is water soluble and it comes out of the system in four to eight hours, but the withdrawal is pretty acute. They feel sick, very sick. It's like a bad case of flu multiplied by ten times.

Starting point is 00:29:14 That's how heroin withdrawal is like. Whereas methadone is fat soluble, it stays in your fast depose forever for 30, 40, 60 days. So they don't even know when the methadone finally leaves the system, they feel like falling off the cliff. So nobody ever tries to get off methadone because of the erratic way that the drug leaves the system. People have to be informed consumers.

Starting point is 00:29:39 People have to be informed before they get around methadone, this is what you're going to face. Instead of that, young people are being suckered into joining the clinic saying it's a cure. And poor people, they can't get off. They can't get a job. The system also is very harsh. They go to go to the clinic at 5.30 in the morning, stand in the line for almost an hour and a half, get their dose. They don't go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go their their they get they get their their they get their their their their their their their their their, for their, for their, for their, for their, for their, for their, for their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, for their, for their, for their, for their, for their, for their, for their, for their, for their, for their, for their, for their, for th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, for thi. thi. thi. together, for together, together, the. the. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. the. the. their dose. They don't see a doctor, they see a nurse, and they get their dose, and then they get the whole dose in the morning. Say, for example, we eat 1,800 to 2,000 calories a day.

Starting point is 00:30:13 We can get the whole calories in the morning. If we get everything in the morning, we are tendonneed. We feel like zombies, we parcel our food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food food. the food. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. parcel our food, 40% in the morning for breakfast, 10% calories in the afternoon for lunch, a light lunch, a little bit of a snack in the evening and then a full supper in the night. So instead of that, the chemical meal for the addicts are doled our first thing in the morning. So they get the whole dose for the day in the morning. That's the synonym. You can't do that.

Starting point is 00:30:45 You got to split the dose like two or three times. If you're asking heroin addict, they'll tell you, Doc, I got a 10 bag a day habit. I take four bags for my wake up. And one bag or two bags for my levels are foreign, they know they're scientists. They know how to manage their body. And then they take the last dose around four, five o'clock. Then they go into, you know, go to sleep and then they start the whole process again.

Starting point is 00:31:14 So for the chemical meal, they take 40% in the morning and the rest of it spread out throughout the day. So they know how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how how their their their their they they they to to they their they they they to to they to they to to to to their th, I their to th. their their the. they're their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their it is is. their it is. their it is is. their it is is. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. toda. today. today. today.......... today. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their so they know how to manage their habit. Where it comes to methadone, you're getting the whole 200 milligrams or 300 milligrams in the morning. It's like 10 meals, 10 chemical meals. They don't need that much dose in the month. All right. The fact that it only has a 2 to 5% success rate of recovering acts staying sober for more than a year compared to what you just said Dr. Kishore's statistics of 50 to 60% right? That's 30 times better. That's incredible right there. Everyone should be trying to study from Dr. Kishore's system or trying to implement his model in different states. Do you believe that the end

Starting point is 00:32:09 result that they want is to get you, because they're collecting all the way but is the end result to get you on methadone and keep you on methadone? Because you get hurt, yeah you take oxycotton. Your insurance insurance runs out and now you're finding a cheap version is heroin. And then you're like, I'm addicted to heroin. I need to get off heroin. Oh, I'm being told that it is, it is, a methadone's going to cure that. Is that what they really want to get you on in the long run? These evil scientists, these evil doctors,

Starting point is 00:32:47 the big pharmaceutical companies. Is that the real end result? Was it ever about curing anybody or was it just getting a patient for life? You're right on the button there. I think the goal is cure, we've got to put our money up front, help the young man or young woman you know, get well and move on with their life. Everybody can get snagged on the rose bush of addiction. It could happen to you, me, anybody.

Starting point is 00:33:13 You know, nobody is immune to addiction. It could happen by taking chemicals, it could happen by taking, I mean, doing sexually, like, the physiological things like sex and the food. It could happen by process addictions like gambling and internet, or could be just the obsession. You know, these could happen to all of us. Everybody in this universe is equally vulnerable. But the poor addicted people, you know, once they get on these drugs, there's no let, there's a dead in street for them. They cannot progress up in their life. They cannot get into a job market.

Starting point is 00:33:50 They cannot have a family because who wants to bring a child who is addicted. So we have problems here with the policy issues. The policies are all wide wrong. They are not meant to help people but to hurt people. And we got to reverse this course of history or we lose our young people because addiction is a young adult disease. The youngest addicts are on preberty, like 1213. That's when they pick up when they want to leave the family constellation and get to peer constellation, they've got to fit into the peers. So that's when they pick up their first drug or drink. And then if they put it away, you know, youthful hygings, they're fine.

Starting point is 00:34:29 But if they keep on using it by 17, 18, 19, 7 years, they become addicted. And now they can get a scholarship, they can get into school. Clinton passed a rule. If you are addicted, cannot get student loans. So automatically, the door starts closing everywhere. So they're boxed into this little island of what you call this evilness. And so the federal government actually incentivizes states to open up more methadone clinics by giving each state 100 millions of dollars if they do actually open up more methadone clinics, right it's ridiculous it is it's offensive it's a it's elitist making money off the sorrows of the masses the pain and suffering of the masses we see

Starting point is 00:35:18 this through bribery we see people turning an eye to what's the right thing to do because they want to collect a check. Okay? And when you die, at the moment you're right before you die, you're broke as shit. Because you can't take money with you. And how you treat the rest of your people is how you'll be seen in the afterlife. I really do believe that. I really do. But the energy you put out is the energy you get back. Guys, if you guys can hold one second, I have to use the restroom. We'll do a cut. Hold one second. I have to use it. I have to use it.

Starting point is 00:35:53 And he's really got to go. Look at all this drinking going on. You have more water. You know what time this is? You know what time this is? Yeah, really good. What's the youngest patient you've had that's gone through your treatment? Doctor? Doctor? Doctor. Here we? What times are that?

Starting point is 00:36:46 36? Already, I already asked him. All right, we'll fix that. Already send to your phone. It should be fine. I apologize. That's never happened in history of this show. So we'll just pick it up and we'll edit it. So we see what privatized prisons.

Starting point is 00:37:00 Um, this note, you know, it was on John Oliver, the show on HBO, in which they kind of read the press release of these privatized prisons and how they bragged about how they were going to get repeat customers. The prisoners were going to come back at a rate of like 95%. They were somewhat bragging about it. Is this system we have of putting felonies on people for for victimless crimes? All done to set up so it's impossible for them to get into the workforce? That's what's happening. Absolutely right. I think you know, see keep in mind,

Starting point is 00:37:43 we they're going after the young adults you know who are in the prime of their life normally a society is like a pyramid there's a lot of babies being born which is good the babies are the future of the country and then the older people are living to their sentences in between the strong oak of young people now the young people are in prison who is going to take care of the babies and who is going to take care of the elderly? You know, elderly need help and babies need protection. And this is where we are going to see problems in the

Starting point is 00:38:18 next few years. I call it a tsunami of 2025. By 2025, you know, we won't have enough young people to take care of the little fellows or the older people. So we need working steps to take care of them. They need, we need, we need people who are in the workforce. And when you don't have that, the society will have problems. This is called the hour glass society, you know, like an hourglass instead of a pyramid. The middle is thinning out. The hundred and ninety people who are dying every day, the median age is twenty-eight. The people who are dying are the young fellas. The older people have learned their lessons, they're living their full life more or less, 74, 76. The babies of course are being born, but there is nobody to take care of these people. We've got a society that is not really the parent. You know, you can't parent,

Starting point is 00:39:13 the society cannot parent a child. And society cannot put all these older people into warehouses, where they're all, you know, getting cared for by some person who cannot even speak English. So we have social issues and I think the people like you should speak up. This is not just an isolated problem, it's a nationwide problem here. And all of us are getting affected. I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. I think it's ridiculous a felony stays with you for your entire life. I think there should be a certain period in which you've worked off the show. th, I, I, th, and which th, and which you, th, th, th, and which you, th, th, th, and which you, th, th which you, think it's ridiculous that a felony stays with you for your entire life. I think there should be a certain period in which you've worked off the show that you've done a good job,

Starting point is 00:39:51 that you've been on good behavior, and it should go away. Obviously, if you murdered somebody, I don't think that should go away or hurt a child in a sexual way, that should go away. But I mean, certain thingthat should go away. But I mean certain things should go away. I'm also of the belief that they give younger women shorter sentences so that they can get out and have children. These children are born to parents with felonies and it makes it even harder for them to be able to provide for their children. So we're seeing a, so these kids are almost born with two strikes against them. So now they're in the system to to the system. to to the system. to the system. the system. the system. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their they're they're they're their their their they're they're they're that that that that that that they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they. they they. they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their children. So we're seeing a, so these kids are almost born with two strikes against them, so now they're in the system too. And it's all about filling up those privatized prisons,

Starting point is 00:40:31 filling them up so that these people at the top are making money on the heroin, on the methadone, and on the prisons, at every single bone and making it impossible for people to get out of this, and break this cycle. You yourself have have their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thi. thi. thi. And the. And the. And the, and it's thi. And it's their toe, and it's toe. And it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it's their their their their their their their thi. thi. thi. thi. the, the, the, the, theole, te. te. teole, te. te. te. te. te. th get out of this and break this cycle. You yourself have dealt with jail. You arrested in 2011. What were you arrested for? Sir? Well, they, they, they, I was seeing about 250,000 patients. See, in our state, you know, we have 10% addiction rate. We have 6 million

Starting point is 00:41:07 people, that's about 600,000 addicts in the state, and I was seeing about a third of them in my practices. I was gaining territory, which is what they didn't like. So they foisted a charge saying that I gave a kickback to a sober house to get patients. I didn't need patients. People were coming on their own. But that's the charge they foisted on me. And I wanted a speedy trial, but they delayed the trial by four years. They would not come to the trial because they didn't have any good evidence to show that I have bribed anybody. And I th I th I think I think I they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they th. th. th. thried. thried. thried. thried. thrived. I the. I that I that I that I have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have. th. th. th. th. th. th. thed. thed. thed. thed. thed. thed. thed. thed. thed. thried. I have a thrived. I have a thed. I have a toed. I have a to bribed. I have a thried. I have a thried. I have bribed. I have bribed. I have bribed anybody. And I think Marcello can tell him. I mean he had dozens of police officers at his door, even helicopters. What?

Starting point is 00:41:48 Yeah, helicopters. Yeah, and they took him to jail right away. This guy's held more than a quarter million people suffering from addiction and they just took him in. So he was honored by the Boston Celtics. He got the Hero Among Us Award by Paul Pierce and Ray Allen. You can see pictures of him on the Celtics website. There's a lot of articles actually took down shortly before his arrest, which we can also get into, information on Wikipedia, which was a reference shortly before his arrest. But he's received so many awards, which the media completely tried to ignore, the Attorney General tried to ignore, and the Attorney General, Martha Coakley, is the one that first arrested Dr. Gershon

Starting point is 00:42:31 2011. Such a crooked politician, you can talk a little bit about Martha. Yeah, I think, you know, the name of the game is, right, I was a successful company. I was growing, I started with one office in 1991. By 2011, I had 52 office across the state. And people are inviting me and the mayors of the small towns, the moms, local moms. We want something different from the Methadone and Suboxone Clinic.

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Starting point is 00:43:47 The state was spending $4 billion and not showing any results. In primary care, as I said, the monies are small, but the effect is enormous. If we do it right, the primary care can really solve many problems. And that's what I did. Mine is nothing, no rocket science here. It's simple good care which every doctor should give and that's what produced the results. Helping patients stay with them when they're sick you know when they're coming off the drugs when they're throwing up, giving them a shot of

Starting point is 00:44:19 zoophran so they don't throw up. The bubbles are very stiff and they're unable to bend, they give them a little comfort medicines. We're doing the small things, we achieved big results. For an addicted person, the withdrawal is like a big bugger, they're scared about it. For a doctor like me, I can do it in my sleep. So there's a lot of people that he angered leading up to this from the time that he started his clinic Like I was saying there was a big pharma the methadone clinics that called him up

Starting point is 00:44:49 Got mad at him for writing articles exposing them and then he would also talk about some of the drug testing labs here in Massachusetts, which are just like there to make a tiny just by saying recovering addicts and it all comes from taxpayer money the the their their their their their their their their. to to to to to their. to to their. to to their. T, to to to to their. to to to too. too. too. too. tooes. the the too. too. too. too. too. tha. tha. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, te. So, te. So, te. So, te. So, te. And, te. And, te. And, te. And, te. And, comes from taxpayer money the difference between dr. Kishore is that he rolled back his money into his practice into his clinics in order to help more In order to help more people improve his practice right that was a big difference, but he was angering all the drug testing labs here. He was stealing business from them. He was so successful a lot of people got jealous leading up to this. So there's a the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. to to to to to to to to their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. so successful. A lot of people got jealous leading up to this, so there's a lot of signs of collusion with the Attorney General and some other individuals which try to set up a sting operation against Dr. Kishore in 2009. It's like, unbelievable. In 2009, they try to bribe Dr. Kishore. There's his lawyer named David Perry, who worked with the attorney general, Martha, in toeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuu. toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. the, thi, the, the, the, their, so, so, so, somea, somea, somea, somea, somea, somea, somea, somea, somea, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, some, their, their, their, their, their, th.... So, thi. So, thi. Somea, thi. He. He. thi. thi. thea, theanu. theanu. theola, thea, thea, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, theary to bribe Dr. Kishore. There's this lawyer named David Perry who worked with the attorney general, Martha

Starting point is 00:45:46 Coakley, in order to try to take him down. So they set up this sting operation. They try to bribe him right away. Dr. Kishore walks out the room right away. He's like, I'm not dealing with this. So we know that this lawyer, his name is David Perry with his associate David From. David Perry owns a sober house. And David From owns a drug testing lab. So they would illegally test their residents and make so much money. And they were getting really mad at Dr. Kishore that he was so successful. So that's why they colluded with the attorney general in 2009 to set up that sting operation. The really interesting thing about David Perry is, he's such a crooked lawyer. He's an extra-covering addict, he's a cocaine dealer.

Starting point is 00:46:32 And what he would do at his sober house, he would actually give fentanyl and heroin to all the residents in exchange for sexual favors, to Youngville residents. So this was what this guy was doing, and this is who the attorney general, Martha Coakley, decided to collude with in order to try to take Dr. Kishore down. So these are some of the people that we're dealing with. They're sick people. And so that's where it starts in 2009, but they failed. And then leading up to that, Dr that, Dr that, Dr that, Dr that, Dr that, Dr that, Dr that, Dr that, Dr that, Dr that, Dr that, Dr, Dr, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to, the the today, the the the the the to, the the to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, leading up to that, Dr. Kishore would get calls from his lawyers saying, hey, we

Starting point is 00:47:05 receive this message from the attorney general and we want you to give up all your practice and let us control everything. They try to do that numerous times. This is Dr. Kishore's lawyer telling him this. So right from the vet, Dr. Kishore is like, fuck you, I'm not giving up my practice. So they try to do this numerous times leading up to 2011 after this thing. When they finally realized there's nothing we can do, we're just gonna arrest this guy and drop these fake charges on him. At the same time that a civil charge was also dropped on him.

Starting point is 00:47:37 So it's important that there was a civil charge dropped on by David From. I just mentioned that. David Perry's Associated, so David Perry and David from tried, dropped a civil case on Dr. Kishore saying that he was engaging in unfair practices, monopoly charges that he was pretty much stealing business from them in an unfair way. So the reason they they dropped this civil charge on him was because it was attached to his bank account and all his 52 properties, right? And this was done at the same time that the criminal charge was dropped, that way he

Starting point is 00:48:13 wouldn't be able to defend himself. He couldn't hire any good lawyers because everything was frozen from the civil charge. Oh my right. And these are the same people that did the sting operation in 2009. Right, so there's clear signs of collusioned theeoleoleole, right, right, a the the the the thue, a the thue, a thue, a thue, a good thue, a good thioluuiolu, a good thi, a good thi, a good thi, a good thi, a good thi, a good thi, a good thi, a good thi, a thi, a thi, a thi, a thi, a thi, a thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, a thi, a thi, a thi, a thi, a thi, a thi, a thi, a thi, a good thi, a good thi, a good thi, a good thi, a good thi, a good thi, a good thi.eeateateateat, theat, thi.eat, theat, theat, thi.eat, thi.eat, thi.eat, thi. Andthe same people that did the sting operation in 2009. Right? So there's clear signs of collusion, right? From you, a good lawyer can actually approve, there's clear signs of collusion going on between the attorney general and the sick person, David Perry, who's thankfully, they arrested him

Starting point is 00:48:38 finally in 2018 for giving his residence at his sober house a ton of drugs in exchange for sexual favors. Finally they decided to arrest him but what's funny is that in 2015 Martha Coakley right after she stepped down she gave David Perry back his law license. Anyway much of this is told in a movie called Hero in America. I think your audience should take a look at it. Hero in America? It's like living inside a bad movie, my whole life. So Hero in America is the name of the movie. It's about you? Yeah, it's about the whole case and my practice, everything was detailed in... It hasn't come out yet. It's going to come out next year.

Starting point is 00:49:22 November, late November released at Aiming Full. But I think the website is there and the movie clips are there. Gives you an idea of what I went through, trying to help the innocent people who are somehow got addicted by the system. I didn't get into the politics of it when somebody wanted help, I gave it to them. And that's how I made my name and fame by being available to people. It's a very simple thing, being available. What's wrong with that?

Starting point is 00:49:51 It's a primary care doctor can do it. I didn't see them as mentally ill, you know. I saw them as bright people with an IQ of 120, 140, Mensa class, because they're running the streets, you know, they're able to run an enterprise. But somehow they have to get off the stuff for whatever the reason, they want to do it, and I was available to them and I got them off the stuff. The really fascinating part, though, is right after they arrested him 2011, you have to think about this. He treated a quarter million people. All those people are left without treatment because all his clinics are shut down. What do you think happens? Right? The overdose rages skyrockets and that's exactly what happened. So you had even the Boston magazine here they predicted this. They wrote an article shortly after

Starting point is 00:50:36 Dr. Kishore's arrest titled, with Dr. Kishore's arrest a feared increase in opioid overdose. So by 2015, the opioid overdose quadrippled, right, quadrippled already in four years. Part of that was because of fentanyl coming in, but we can also see a direct correlation with the communities, the clinics that were located in Dr. Shores communities, having the opioid that skyrocket, right? Because the clinics were shut down so in doctor's communities, having the opioid death skyrocket, right? Because the clinics were shut down, so thousands of people were left without treatment. So we can owe this all to one individual,

Starting point is 00:51:13 which is the attorney general here in Massachusetts, Martha Coakley. So literally she had thousands of lives rests on her shoulders because of one person's actions. My goodness. And it's just like just like like I always say this man when when the government comes to crack skulls on freedom they always send the cops, the cops coming. I don't know how cops go from wanting to protect and serve to being thugs and doing something wrong. I think our legal system has a real problem with corruption, prosecutors who are just more concerned about their record than doing right. It's like we consistently say people would rather be right than do right and that's a big

Starting point is 00:51:55 problem we have here. Egos get in the way. So we're sending law enforcement to your house, we're kicking in doors, we're arresting a doctor trying to help people. What is the purpose of all this? What does it go? Why do the good guys always get screwed with? Why do we encourage psychopaths? Why do we reward psychopaths?

Starting point is 00:52:17 This seems to be the thing. And it's all gets down to, they just get us all fighting with each other. That's all it is. We we we we we we we they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they are they just get us all fighting with each other. That's all it is. We're all fighting over scraps, okay? Why they collect big fat checks. And we're fighting with our peers and our neighbors all the time when we should be helping each other and loving each other. You know, these, your children, these children, anybody listening, your kids could be the ones that are hooked on methadone. But you know, it's all about, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they, they, they they they, they they, they they they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, th. th. th. th. th. they're thin, they're thin, thin, they're thin, they're they're thin, they're they're thooo, they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're tho, your kids could be the ones that are hooked on methadone.

Starting point is 00:52:51 But you know, it's all about collecting checks. And you know what, man, how much is enough money? How much is enough money for you to realize you did something wrong and try to do something right? It just goes on and then you got these guys, you see it in that Stephen Avery doc? They know they arrested? the children, they know they arrest. They're the children, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their che. And their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their checks, and their checks, and their checks, and their checks, and their checks, and their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their children. children. children. children. children. children, children, children, children, their children, their children, the it in that Stephen Avery, Doc. They know they arrested the wrong guy, but now their egos are so strong and they know there's going to be a giant lawsuit at the end that they won't do what's right, which is let this guy go. You're taking the wrong people to jail, okay? CEOs should be in jail, not doctors helping people naturally get off drugs. So you go to prison, what was that like being in prison for helping people?

Starting point is 00:53:36 When everyone was talking about, oh, what'd you, I murdered somebody? What'd you do? I kidnapped somebody. What'd you do? I help people. Like, what was that like? You know, it's interesting because, um, I, I, um, it's their their their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their to be their their their their their their their their their their their their you're their their their their their to be in jail, you to be in jail, you their their people, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their do? I help people. Like what was that like? You know, it's interesting because many of my people there are my my patients in the practice. They were like a little pose. Who were with me 24-7 protecting me, helping me. And I think in a way I saw I saw I saw the prison system as a medical director from the top down I saw them as a doctor feeding sitting across from

Starting point is 00:54:11 the incarcerated people one-on-one now I saw it from the bottom up as a as a prisoner myself and it was you know an experience of a lifetime I'll tell you the eight months and four days I spend there. What they made me do is do street sweeping in front of my own hospitals. So I had to do the street sweeping. After he got out of jail, they made him do community service with a hurt knee at the age of 65. They would pay him $3 an hour to pick up trash. $3 a day, I'm sorry.

Starting point is 00:54:46 Wow. So in 2015 though, they finally had enough of them because he fought up the state for four years by himself. They finally said, all right, we're going to drop 76 charges on this person. So we talked about Martha Coakley, the Attorney General. She stepped down, gave David Perry back his law license, then comes in another attorney jail, Mara Healy, which has continued her work. Finally, she dropped 76 charges on it, forced him to a plea deal. We actually got a chance to interview Mara about Dr. Kishore. She didn't know she was getting filmed, and she calls Dr. Kishor a killer.

Starting point is 00:55:22 Right. Someone that treated a quarter million didn't have one death, that's an incredible, incredible accomplishment for any doctor. She calls Dr. Kishore a killer, completely slanders him on, in the interview, right? Keep in mind, you know, I didn't do it alone. I had three and seventy awesome people working. I had a huge staff.

Starting point is 00:55:43 We thought the staff, addiction is labor intensive work. You got to work 24-7 for, you know, without any let. So I had staff of 370, 29 doctors, 44 nurse practitioners. I had awesome office managers who were very passionate. And none of them got charged, which is the really important thing, only Dr. Kishore did. Right. Because we all worked together as a team. And we had legal help. I had lawyers watching over my practice.

Starting point is 00:56:13 I had a, you know, various safeguards I took. I was on the board of mass health. I was the advisory board. I was the gatekeeper for many insurance plans. See, when you're taking money from a third party, they're always said auditors are there every three, three months. So not a single-sent escapes there for view. They like to watch over where they're giving the money.

Starting point is 00:56:37 So I went to 37 different audits. So there is no way anything can be goofed up. So made it so... Because all of them passed, right? 37 audits leading up to this, he had a perfect record. The federal government said he's doing nothing wrong before this. But suddenly 2011, the state charges him with criminal charges and a civil case as well. The only way they can do it is to bring in the big guns, attack dogs, 33 squad cars. It's like a show of force. You defied us, so we'll take, you know, we'll show you what we can do. It's a show of force. It's nothing to do with the crime or punishment or anything like that. And they still try to

Starting point is 00:57:18 discredit him and weaken him in jail. So it's really actually interesting. First, they offer him protective custody, right? And he said, fuck you, I'm not taking protective custody, right? I can do this by myself. I can do this by myself, right? Then they try to label him as a snitch, right? And that was completely false. And he was there by himself standing up to everyone, right? He never, he never, he was always, he's got such a strong character. I've never seen a guy like this. And how else did they try to describe you? There's a couple of temptations. There's a way, you know, for a good time I was finishing up my sentence. They tried to push me into parole, which is a lifelong ball and chain. I said, no, I don't want it.

Starting point is 00:58:00 I finished there's no need for parole. The dates have already passed. So they tried to hobble me in a hundred different ways, but I went through that and luckily it's now four years after the whole thing has now passed. Also, they try to make him see him a psychiatrist in jail so they can label him as mentally ill. Right. He knew what they were doing. So he said, fuck you. I'm not seeing a psychiatrist. A the psychiatrist. the psychiatrist. the psychiatrist. the psychiatrist. the psychiatrist. the psychiatrist. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. I've their. their. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've. I've their. I've. I've. I. I. I. I. tie. tie. tie. tie. tie. tie. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. to. t. the. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. try. try. try. try. doing so he said fuck you I'm not seeing a psychiatrist right this guy stood by himself no one at his side his lawyers betrayed him everyone betrayed him the community betrayed him but he stood by himself coming out of jail stronger than ever as well by the way so the system is just like when they when it's got to tie on you it's so hard.

Starting point is 00:58:45 And then you have all these rich bastards just getting away with literally murder. And when you try to help people, when you try to bring love into the world, they assassinate you. Both either character or on, or real, really. Like Martin Luther King, you know, what they did with Gandhi, how they just demonized that guy. And now they're doing it with you and it's just like it's unbelievable to me that this happens in what is considered like the greatest nation ever. And that stuff that's put on us where we have a, we have a class struggle, a power

Starting point is 00:59:23 struggle where the elites just drop hammer on us all the time and when someone tries to help, just help people. I mean like just imagine getting so mad at somebody because they were taking away one of your clients who happens to be a junkie and helping him get his life and set up straight. I remember when you know Penn and Teller did a whole story on AA and then, you know, Charlie Sheen's like, only 5% of people blah blah blah and it's like, you know, it's like, if it wasn't for AA, I'd probably be dead. You know, it's like why are we demonizing people doing this stuff? Why are we doing this? Why are we going after the good people,

Starting point is 01:00:02 why are we allowing good people who want to make change in the world? Why are we allowing the power structures to come in? Because they're corrupt and they're paid off of it? It's like, how do you look yourself in the mirror, man? No, you're going after a doctor doing this? Like your career, where do you think thi? their career, where do you think you go with this? their........ And, their, their, their, thi. their, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their, thi. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their power, their power, their power, their, their, their power, their power, their power, their power, their power, their power, their power, their power, their power, their power, their power, their power, their power, their power. their power, their power. their power. their power. their power. their power. their power. their power. their power. their power. their power. thi. thi. thi. thooooooooooooooooooo. toe. their power st. their power st. their power, their power, their power, their power, their power.the day, you got to look back, and you know what I really hate is when they do these confessionals with these people, whether they're FBI, CIA, and they're like, I shouldn't have done that. It's like, you know, it's too late, dude. You put the energy out in the world. You got some dark arts waiting for you on the other side.

Starting point is 01:00:37 So what are you doing now? You're out of jail, you're stronger than ever, what are you doing now? Well, a couple of points I want to make, you know, as the addiction, we don't have one right answer, so we need multiple tools in our toolkit. AIA is a great, great meeting place for people to touch base and stays over. We encourage that in our practice, it's a good thing for people to be connected socially. You know, addiction sometimes go with social shyness, people who are addicted also are introvers. Me, too, that's me.

Starting point is 01:01:17 Yeah, they need to be out there with the hustings with the people. It's a little bit socially painful, but then they get over it. They become one of the great great speakers of dinner. A lot of my speeches and the after you know having people together is by AA people who give beautiful speeches because they learn to speak. So AIA is a good tool. Um, I think, you know, there are many good tools like that. We've got to use a good tool for a good purpose. So when it comes to the current system, currently what I'm doing is education, teaching, coaching, guidance, trying to rescue people.

Starting point is 01:01:58 Marcel can talk about a little bit about that. People are getting caught up in the web of intrigue here between people in power, the drug cartels, and the people who are locally pushing the drugs. The young women especially are getting caught. Yeah, I mean, no, he has an educational center in Maine. So he's doing a lot of work in Maine. He's getting some support from local politicians there.

Starting point is 01:02:27 And so I was actually eating dinner with Todd Kishore a couple weeks ago and I'm like, hey, what were you doing over the weekend? And he's like, oh, I went to Baltimore to try to save a woman that got kidnapped by the MS-13. Oh my God. So he goes with a pastor. The young team's parents, and they try to save her from the MS-13. The MS-13 got her addicted to tuna, I believe, and this is what he's doing, right? At the age of 70, he's going out to Baltimore and still doing this.

Starting point is 01:03:01 And like I said, because he was going into communities into prisons himself. He was rolling up his leaves and doing the hard work and not just sitting at an office like most doctors that are all bought off by big pharma. Hey boss, you said you need a lot of tools to treat, like to help people to treat addiction, right? Have you heard a cratem? It's natural. I used to smoke, I used to work at a smoke shop and it's really expensive but people would say it would help with opi to, with the withdrawals. Have you heard of that? What do you think about it? Yeah, it does help,

Starting point is 01:03:36 but you know, people have to understand. It is not, you know, it has to be given proper doses, proper times. So doctors have not studied well, well to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be their their their their their the. So, thiii. So, thi. So, thi. their th be given proper doses proper times the doctors have not studied well enough so people are doing their own self-medication for that it helps there's no two words about it helps people and you get eases the withdrawal but there are also similar techniques that can be done by over-the-counter medicines for example we can take away many of the symptoms that exist when they come off the stuff with over-the-counter medicines like nausea medicines and so on and so forth. See my philosophy is when you're coming, getting people off the drugs, you've got to use

Starting point is 01:04:18 the medicines neck down. I don't want to affect the sensory system. So I want to control the symptoms but not letting them know what is causing the relief. So all my medicines are neck down, spinal cord, peripheral systems, so that they feel, wow, what happened? I'm feeling calm and nice, like old times. But they don't know what. If I give him narcotics, sometimes they, ah, I like this. This is just like the feeling I had thiiiiiiii feeling feeling feeling feeling feeling feeling feeling feeling feeling feeling feeling feeling feeling feeling feeling thiii, nice, nice, nice, nice, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the their, thi, thi, their, their, what their, what their, what their, what their, what their, what their, what their, what their, what their, what their, what their, what their, what their, what their, thi, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. theat, theat, thi. theat, theat, thi. theat, thi. thi. thi, thi, narcotics, sometimes they, ah, I like this. This is just like the feeling I had, I like.

Starting point is 01:04:48 So we got to play it right. Certain times, you know, withdrawal symptoms are very high. We have to use narcotics in a very judicious way. You know, a lot of these narcotics have, you know, there's a double-edged source. There's a lot of good they do, too, too, too, too, too, th do, th do, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thiolioliolicicicicicicicicicicici, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, thi, thi, thiiiiiiii, thii, thi, thioli. So, thi, their, their, thi, th double-edged source. There's a lot of good they do, but there's some bad they do too. So this is all a technique issues. I've used narcotics for my patients. A few number of patients, one to 10 percent will need the help of narcotics to get off narcotics. But you've got to do it in a very controlled setting, either in the hospital system where I had privileges or in the emergency room room. We, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we the the the the the the the th, we the th, the th. th. th. th. the the the the thee, thee, thee, thee, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, a their, a their, a their, a their, a their, a their, a their, a their, a their, a their, a their, a their, a their, a their, their, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th is is a th is a the, the, the, the, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, their, their, their, their, their, the room, we gave them a few little milligrams to jumpstart the recovery. Then we took them back into our clinics and we, so we got to mix and match the tools. There's no one right path, we're going to mix and match your tool kit.

Starting point is 01:05:37 I think that's a wonderful point. You know, we see a lot of pharmaceutical companies now putting out cures for problems they've caused. And a lot of people want to take a very quick cut. But anything that's worth anything is worth fighting for, and that takes some work. And I think the biggest thing you have to do is just learn how to mentally deal with this. You know, it's like, there's so many people that I would to do is just learn how to mentally deal with this. You know, it's

Starting point is 01:06:05 like there's so many people that I would thank for recovery, but one person I really want to thank is myself and the will to want it. You have to sit there and you got to have the will to want to beat this. When the rubber it's a rope, when the craving comes to take contrary actions. So when you pop a pill, you're not really dealing with the issue. You're just kind of masking it. It's the will to want it and it's in each one of us. You know, people, you know, you talk about this girl who's kidnapped and thrown into MS-13 and like the world of shit people can find themselves into. But I really do believe we live in this magical world where you can control your destiny. You just have to learn how to take control of the controllers.

Starting point is 01:06:55 And there's a million things going on. There's a million things going on. You know, I can focus on the facts I've relapsed a lot, or I can focus on how many months I have now and how great that is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is the future the future the future the future the future the future the future the future tha is is the future've relaps a lot, or I can focus on how many months I have now, and how great that is, and how the future is better. And it's stuff like that. So when you pop a pill or you take the stuff that he was talking about, those are great quick fixes, but you're still you.

Starting point is 01:07:18 When you move around, they call it a geographical, but you're still the same person. You have have the the the the the the the the the the the same the same thap thap thoq tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, their, their, their, their, their, their, tho, that, that, their, their, that, and, and, and, and, and, and, the future, and, tho, tho, thu, thu, thu. And, thu. And, thu. And, thu. And, thu. And, thu. And, thu. And, thu. And, thu. And, thu. And, thu. And, thu. And, thu. And, thu. And, thu. And, that, that, that, that, the that, the that, that, that, thuuuuu. And, thuuuuuuu. And, and, and, thu. And, thu. And,the same person. You have to deal what's going on in here and understand that you're good enough and you should love yourself. And there's nothing wrong what you're not defined by your past. What happened in the past, you know, the truth of the matter is the admission for success is truly failure. You have to fail enough to succeed. And your failures in the past happen because you need to learn you you you you you you you you to learn th th th you to learn th th th tho th tho to learn tho tho tho tho to learn tho tho tho to learn tho tho to to fail enough to succeed and your failures in the past happen because you need to learn those lessons. But I got to ask you doctor why do you do all this? Why do you care so much? Why do you put yourself in

Starting point is 01:07:56 these situations where you can either be going to jail or dead? Why do you care so much? When it came to this country, I worked in a program called the Washingtonian Hospital. It was founded by George Washington and his wife, Martha Washington. That was the first time there was treatment for addiction in this country. Before that time, addicts were banished to faraway lands or put in prison or in mental asylums or put in the backyard and, you know, fed drugs every day. So I was able to read all the books that were there from the beginning of the country,

Starting point is 01:08:32 1700s, late 1700s, 1800s, and I realized, wow, this is something that nobody is really practicing here. So I called myself the last Washingtonian because I was the last medical director for the program. I realized that there is a path out. They cured Abraham Lincoln. He went to Washingtonian hospital and got cured of his alcoholism. And so we have many stories like that from mid-19th century. and I saw all of that and said why can't we bring it back to life? So that's what I did.

Starting point is 01:09:11 I started the, then I saw the results. When I saw the results in my practice with the home detox, sobriety maintenance, sobriety enhancement and primary care, it's like I hit the jackpot. I found the gold standard for care. So it became known as a mass model by the National Shure Drug Abuse. So my career was made. I succeeded where others have failed. And I didn't want to give up caring for my patients.

Starting point is 01:09:39 You know, even after the incarceration, I still care for people, and a lot of them reach out to me, and we guide them the best we can in a broken system. We need to talk about it, Sam, I think, you know, you spoke very eloquently, and I think we need people like us to network and to, you know, get things moving in the right direction. Right now, we're in the age of a precipice. If we don't pull back now, we don't know the future the future the future the future the future the future the future the future the future the future the future the future the future. the future. the future. the future. the age of a precipice. If we don't pull back now, we don't know what the future holds in another five or ten years. The writing on the wall is somewhat not good or bleak. So we're going to reverse the course of history and we need to talk about it. I could not slink away into a hole and pull the hole after me. I got to be out there at the hustings, talking to people, talking to pastors. I got appointed as the Minister of Health and Healing

Starting point is 01:10:29 for many churches, so we need to bring the church folk back into the fold here. So they do what they're trained to do, which is to succor to the soul of a person. Once, like you mentioned, right, once we know who we are, we move ahead. We are not defined by the past. So it's a simple technique. It's nothing rocket science here once again. We got to do what is right for our communities. And I was trained in that, I had skills in that. America is the land of business people in business we say, if you know the rules of the game, you win the game. So I won the game quite the game quite the game quite the game quite the game quite the game quite the game quite the game quite the game quite the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game the game the game the game the game th game. thi game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. the game. And I was. And I was. And, the game. And, the game. And, the game. And, the game. And, the game. the game. the game. the the the the the the the the the the the the te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. t you know the rules of the game you win the game. So I won the game quite a bit and I don't see why I should give up. Hey well you know what I real quick as we start to come to the end here we have people who listen this podcast who suffer from addiction and alcohol abuse. If they're listening right now, what is one thing you'd like to tell them that might put them in the right direction and maybe the first step

Starting point is 01:11:31 to take to getting out of their own way and understanding they don't have to do this anymore? They don't have to numb the pain, they don't have to poison them anymore if it's no longer working for them. What would you say to these people? I say there's a lot of hope. H-O-P-E, you know, we have as long as we don't give up hope, we move ahead. We walk through pain, we walk through obstacles. We don't give up on, we're going to believe in yourself. Number two, there is hope, especially in the addiction. In a primary care practice, if a person comes with diabetes or hypertension, they decline, decline, they decline, decline, they die. Where the addiction, once they get sober, they're not only well, but super well,

Starting point is 01:12:21 they're like good human beings. Some of the best friends I have are people in recovery. They really are, they seize their life with both hands and they run with it. I'll tell you, they're some of the best people you can have people in the healthy recovery. They're not only rehabilitated, but they're fully restored. And I've seen that happen. That's what gives me a lot of hope and courage to do this. I see there's there's their their their their their they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're really they're they're really they're really they're they're really they're they're really they're they're really they're really they're really they're they're really really they're really really really they're really really they're really really they're really they're really they're really they're really they're really they're really they're really they're they're they're they are they are they are they are they are they are they they they they they they they they they they they they they they are they they are they are they're they're they're they're they're not they're not they're not they're fully restored and I've seen that happen. That's what gives me a lot of hope and courage to do this. I see there's a lot of hope and the word hope is very important. Nobody should give up hope. My one of my cases is a 60-year-old man with HIV and

Starting point is 01:13:04 the hospitals told him you are hopeless. man with HIV and the hospitals told him you are hopeless. So he didn't believe in it. He had only one T cell left in his bloodstream or something, small number. He was supposed to die, but he had hope. So he never give up hope. He became an insurance appraiser. He went on to the globe, appraising oil fires. I saw him later still living.

Starting point is 01:13:30 So a lot of doctors when they give a prognostication, oh, you only live two months, three months, people defy the arts. So hope is the key ingredient of life. That is wonderful. Marcello, I would like to give you a moment because you're kind enough to contact us and set this podcast up. It's been wonderful. Do you have any final thoughts, my friend?

Starting point is 01:13:51 I think Kishore said pretty much everything. One more thing we forgot to mention is that methadone actually boost female sex hormones in men. So you'll see breasts enlarge men. So that's something people have to be wary of before they actually start in men. So you'll see breasts enlarge mans, you'll see increased grooming behavior in men, so that's something people have to be wary of before they actually start taking methadone. And another thing, even channels that we think are hip like Vice Channel, you go on Vice Channel. They'll say methadone is the

Starting point is 01:14:18 best solution. They have a whole video on that. So also do the research on methadone. Just don't listen to what vice is saying or what Dr. Drew is saying. Doctor, forget my language, fuck vice. I like old vice. I don't like new vice. They're bought and sold. They're no different than the people and the magazines and the newspapers that went after the doctor. You know, I mean like dude, screw vice. Excuse my language. Doctor I didn't mean to swear in front of you. You're a shaman, my friend. Gentlemen, I can't thank you enough for coming on our little show. I know your movie's gonna be coming out soon. When it does, we would love to have you guys back, talk about this little more,

Starting point is 01:14:56 see if anything's progressed, see whatever other superhero acts that doctor's done. Dr. Kishore, I appreciate you so much, Marcel, I appreciate you guys so much for coming on. And if you can tell them, is there anywhere you want them to go check out, any social media, websites or anything? You can email Dr. Kishore. Yeah. Very simple. I always respond to phone calls, text, or email. So my phone number is 617953-894. And my email is PSK at PMAI.net.net. And the website you can check out the preventive medicine associates.net. Awesome. Thanks so much Sam for having us on. Thank you so much. Well, I loved it. I could talk to you guys all day, every day, all the time thi Saves.net. Awesome. Thanks so much Sam for having us on. Thank you so much. Well, I loved it.

Starting point is 01:15:46 I could talk to you guys all day, every day, all the time about this. I don't think people talk enough about it. I think, you know, I've lost some friends this year. They were on pharmaceuticals or they couldn't deal with trauma in their life. And I thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I tho- tho-I could could could could could tho- tho- tho- tho- tho- tho- tho-I tho-I, I could tho-I, I could tho-I, I tho-I, I tho-a, I tho-a, I tho-a, I tho-a, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I could could could could could could could could thi, I thin, I thin, I to-s, I try. I try, I could try, I could try, I could try, I could thau-a'a'-s, I could thau-a'-a'-a, I being tough guys, stop acting like we can handle everything and start talking to each other. And the best thing, Doctor, is we gotta have hope. Man, one year can change your life, man. I've heard stories of people who are eating out dumpsters.

Starting point is 01:16:17 And next thing you know, they're directing their favorite TV show, because they had hope. You got to have hope. You got to believe it's a simulation and you could change assimilation. I appreciate you guys so much. I'm going to get an email from you guys, get all the information on where they can contact. And let's do it again, sir. And doctor, I can't thank you enough for your service and the love of your fellow man for what you done. So I appreciate you. Okay guys. You guys have a great day and we'll do. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, the thi, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their their, their th, th, th, th. I th. I th. I th. I thi. I thi. I that, tho, toge, toge, toge, toge, toge, toge, toge, toge, toge, tho. thoo. I tho have a great day and we'll do it again soon thanks for coming out. Thank you so thank you guys God bless love you guys take care Aaron I love you today this is so much hope in my heart I love you too Aaron that's how much I love you he like this episode take care guys thank you very much

Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #235: The Treatment Of Dr. Punyamurtula Kishore

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