Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #242: Epstein 911 Swapcast with Corbett, Webb, Bermas and Varandas

Episode Date: October 20, 2019

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what the fuck are you guys even talking about global controls will have to be imposed and a world governing body will be created to enforce them. Welcome to the tinfoil half. We go deep home boy. Aaron, open your mind. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere.

That's some interdimensional thing. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. You just blew my mind. Are you ready to get your mind down? I'm super excited about this because for the purpose of, one I have some old friends, I mean Jason and James were like literally two of my first guests when I like an episode like seven and eight or something like that and this is my 200th episode. But so yeah, so that it's awesome to go you

know it's awesome to also see Jason and James continue doing it too because these were guys that I was a fan of when I first got into this and they have them doing it and then I have some new friends Whitney and and Sam who are doing awesome work so it's awesome bring everybody to the the the the. Yeah so it's awesome bring everybody together I think I've to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. I's to to to th. I'm to to th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's awesome, thi. It's awesome, thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm just just just a thi. I'm just just just a the thi. I'm just just thi. I'm awesome, thi. I'm so so I'm so bring everybody together. I think I've been like brainstorming for a while. I'm like, what should I do for my 200 episode? I've thought about doing a live episode or friends. I've thought about like a bunch of different things. I thought about doing a 9-11 episode. But then the Epstein thing was so important that story because similar to 9-11. And I'm like, you know, it's very similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar similar, it's very very very very very very very very very very very very very very, it's very, it's very, it's very, it's very, it's very, it's very, it's know, it's very similar to 9-11 in regards to, I think a lot of people that are super skeptical about some of the stuff we talk about, I think it was undeniable.

You know, it was even the most skeptical people were like, okay, there's something more to this story. And I would hope the same way that like 9-opener and kind of was the first rabbit-hole that kind of led us to all this. I'm hoping the Epstein story does the same for many other people. Unfortunately, it's become almost a blackout story, where they, it was from like, you know, and we talked about thean, when we're talking about a censorship, I was asking the question.

I'm like, this is kind of weird that they're openly, like every mainstream media organization is talking about the Epstein story. Like nobody's even attempting to not talk about it, where before things were going on and nobody was reporting on it besides the Miami Hero. And now, it's like total lack of. So the whole thing is kind of weird how like it was acceptable to talk about it. Now it's not acceptable. I don't know what your guys' theory is, but I know you guys have done a lot of research and similar to myself, I've looked into this and looked at a lot of different perspectives, maybe to open this up because I do want to keep this story. I think you guys probably agree with tha thi thoo thi tho thi the th. thi th. thi thi to th. to thi, to thi, thi, thi, to thi, to to thi, to to to to to thi, to to to thi, thi, thi, to open to thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. to to to toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. tha. tha. the. the. think you guys probably agree with me that it's important to keep alive similar to the 9-11 story. It's not just about this specific event of a suspicious suicide,

but especially Whitney Webb going really in deep with high-ranked contra links and all these other links. These stories are really is, you know, like, you know, it's the octopus, it's a real octopus conspiracy. I mean, you see how all these things are linked together. So I'd love to hear your, and I think probably the listeners would love to hear, now as time has gone, and some of the smoke is settled, and you've had some time to digest some of the information, what is your theories on really what was going on because I think there's a lot of speculation, but it's really, like nobody is really quite sure yet. Would anybody...

Yeah, Whitney? Wait, about which, about Epstein? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think he was doing a couple different things for intelligence. I think I've said this before, so there wasthe sexual blackmail operation, which was also sex trafficking. But I think even before that started, he was doing a lot of stuff in the world of finance, a lot of money laundering, and a lot of other things like financial crimes like that, that he continued while he was also doing, you know, the sexual blackmail stuff. And even

after that, because obviously when he was arrested the first time kind of hard to entrap people when you've been you know convicted of you know soliciting sex from a minor so I think after that the financial thing continued and that's why we saw people like like Bill Gates and Ahood Barak and even and even like Steve Bannon maintain the relationship with Epstein after his first arrest right. So so I mean I could go into more detail, I guess, but just generally speaking, I think he was doing a lot of different stuff. And I think one of the main reasons regarding the timing of his arrest,

this in July and all that has to do with the financial stuff, more than the sex crimes, because even when he was indicted this time in July, it was all about the same stuff that went on prior to his first arrest, right? So I think the timing, there's some like, you know, ulterior motives there for sure that wasn't like the official story. I also think in terms of mainstream media coverage of the upscene thing, a lot of it was directed towards trying to make this about the salacious bits, and make it, and make it, and make it, and th.... Andthe real story coming out that not only was he doing you know this really you know perverted and in sick stuff but he was state sponsored right

and he was doing that with like a state sponsor. So I think the whole focus of it was to be like oh you know look at this salacious detail and look at this you know I think that was what a lot of the focus was on mainstream media. And even now, you know, the occasional stories that still come up in mainstream media are about like Prince Andrew and, oh look, Randy Andy, you know, and all that stuff. So I think, you know, for keeping with the same thing and avoiding the real story, which is, you know, unfortunate but, you know, typical of how they operate. And I would say this, it definitely set a litmus test for what we were willing to accept as the public after the fact. In other words, was the public willing to accept that Epstein either was suicided or killed

himself or is just going away, and then that's it. And for the most part, nobody's outrage. Let me give you an example. We have more video of ISIS fighters escaping Syrian prison within 12 to 24 hours of that event happening and being predicted by the mainstream media 48 hours earlier than we do footage inside the prison in which Epstein was held.

I mean, think about those media motivations. We can't get footage inside a United States prison, but footage all the way across the world is spanned all over every single network to try to get the American public outraged that a president is withdrawing troops from a nation we had no business in. So at the end of the day, it also kind of serves, again as this test is, this is really in your face, everybody's been talking about it, and now it's over, shut up. We even named people like Bill Richardson, who was a former governor of Mexico, who had Clinton ties, Genie Energy Ties. And, and th. And, and th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. From, thi. From, thi. From, thi. From, thi. From, thi. From, thi. From thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. So, thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. So, thei. So, thei. So, the the the thi of Mexico, who had Clinton ties, Jeannie Energy

Ties, and nobody is outraged that that person hasn't been arrested or questioned for his role in the Epstein case. So I think there's a lot of layers to this case that we could talk about pre-Epstein arrest during the arrest and now the aftermath of the quote-unquote suicide. James would you want to add to that? Are you there, James? Did we lose, James? Well, I'll jump in until we get back. No, sorry, I'm here. I just wanted to say, I think some good points have been made.

One point that's important to stress is that exactly right. This is a tabloid story that has been reported in a tabloid way for salacious details. I think because it was a genuine story that really happened, what's the damage control that you can do on a story like this. It's to hone in on the salacious details, make it all about just Jeffrey Epstein as some sort of character who came out of nowhere and did this horrible thing and now we can all gawk at it for a few minutes now move on to the next thing rather than really looking at the deep history of it

exactly like so many other events throughout history and it is important to put this in the broader context of honey traps that have been used by intelligence presumably for thousands of years. It may be a little bit more technologically advanced at this point, but it's the same idea that's been going on, and that's why it connects into so many other political scandals. Well, you know, my opinion is that I'm just like a kid in a candy store store right now, listen, everybody talked. I feel like I want some kind of a radio contest and I get to hang out my favorite truthers talking truth. So I'm not going to be talking a lot on here because I'm more excited about just being on the call than anything. But I mean like we had like 18 hours of like everybody

letting us do a victory lap and then they counterpush to, it's all conspiracies, it's all stupid, it's all this. You know, I was in New York City, I have a good friend of mine who's close with some of the people who have worked at that jail before, and they go, they wouldn't take much money to bribe that entire staff. Like everybody that worked at that jail would take about three million dollars to bribe everybody to fall asleep and push the cameras in different directions. So who knows what's going on? Listen man, the more more I'm in this

truth game, the more and more I have zero clue what's going on. Every time I think I have an idea of what they're doing, I just realize that just another layer of deception. Like I would like to believe, I do I believe there is something going on between Trump and what Jeffrey Epstein's group will call them the deep state? I would believe there is. But maybe some will come out two seconds later that they're all working together.

That, you know, and Whitney, you would know better of me and James, you would know better than me, whether, you know, that arrest of Jeffrey Epstein way back in the day was real, was that done on real meaning that that was a real fight between Trump and him? Or was that just another game being played by the super rich elite? I wish I had answers. I'm just going to listen to you guys. I mean, I'll jump in and say some bad dick joke at some point. But I mean, at the end of the day, I'm just really like, I have no, all I know is that there is intelligence, child sex blackmail going on. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, no, all I know is that there is intelligence, child sex blackmail going on, but I'm confused on who's involved. Well, let me jump in just to kind of talk about the Trump administration and Epstein quick

in relation to Bill Barr. One of the great things that Whitney Webb has done in her series is talking. Thanks. And the connections to not only has done in her series is talking to... And the connections to not only Epstein but Bill Barr who seems to be connected according to whistleblowers within Iran Contra, some of the people that were moving the drugs, okay, that he was facilitating kind of like, let's shut this down and figure this out and put the limited hangout out there. And now you have the major alternative media outlets playing Bill Barr clips, champion Christianity, because, you know, he just has such a high standard, and we

need to get by the administration skating the fact that Bill Barr is as deep state and as balls deep as you could be as the George H.W. administration. It's something that's really not touched upon. So you can sit there and you can talk about his relation to Trump and the models and you know Merilago and all that stuff. It's something that does need to be talked about that James Patterson covered well in his book, Filthy Rich. But what I'm more interested in are his relationships to Adnan Koshoghi and Prince Andrew

regarding arms dealing and his relationships to the CFR and the Trilateral Commission involving globalism, and then his movement after that first conviction into the tech realm where it's he'd kind of been regulated to Wall Street, Bear Stearns, Towers Capitol. And now it's Elon Musk, Bill Gates, and other tech giants. This guy seemed to be an ever-moving chameleon that would move into these high-level arenas of big money, big

politics, and big players all around. And yeah and that's another similarity with 9-11 and this story is the links to people who are trying to take away our freedoms and rights. I mean Whitney's on some recent interviews I've heard her talk about the pre-crime software companies obviously after 9-11 you know all the basically NSA just had a green light to do whatever they wanted all the rights went away so you're starting you're seeing these themes and some of the same issues come about and even some of the you know I wasn't familiar with the Carlisle group before 9-11 I wasn't familiar with a you know the the messad and so what they were the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. I th. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the Carlisle group before 9-11. I wasn't familiar with, you know, the Massad and so what they were involved in before 9-11 and similar to the

Epstein story, it's kind of open my eyes to new things like these this pre-crime organization, this software companies which I've seen had links to and I think you said even the Kraft company had links to, which is pretty well because I live in New England so you know we're pretty familiar with Robert Kraft here. Right well Robert Craft wasn't funding Carbine 911 but he was he's the main one of the main backers of this like startup accelerator that's based in Massachusetts but has an office in Israel and they were in and that sort of accelerator was funding another startup that's a big has its business model based off of mass shootings but it's not the one Epstein was funding it's another one called

Gabriel and the really similar in this Gabriel one its board of directors is like deputy director of the masad former director of Shin Bet which is like the FBI of Israel and the former chief of Israel's national police are the people on the board of that and you know that th. th, you th, you know th, you know th, you know th, you know th, you know th, th, th, th, th, th, ththa, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their th. their th. their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. national police are the people on the board of that. And you know that company and this carbon 911 company that basically had their business model based on their being more mass shootings and people being more afraid of another one potentially and having this you know basically pushed through, they're going to try and push it through Congress actually because there's these different lobby groups that are now pushing for next generation the the the the the the the the th generation th generation the th generation th generation the th generation the the th generation th generation th generation the th generation the th generation th generation th generation th generation th generation th generation th generation the the the the the the thi thi the the the the the the the tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee theee the the the the the basically pushed through, they're gonna try and push it through Congress actually, because there's these different lobby groups that are now pushing for next generation 911 systems,

which is like an internationally, or sorry, not internationally, nationally interconnected 911 system because they're all sort of localized, right? And then that would basically, if anytime you call 911, it would mean that they could literally extract all the data off of your smartphone without your... Oh my God. Even have to have the app installed. So yeah, that's what Epstein was funding and the company that Epstein used to invest in that is registered as a data mining, a DNA data mining company, which is super weird. And what it does is that when they take your data off your phone, they use it to analyze your past behavior, your present

behavior and also to predict your future behavior. And it's just one of a whole bunch of other companies that are, you know, sort of in the same circle. So for example, another main funder of Carbon 911 is Peter Thiel, who also is, you know, volunteer and all of that, which is in the pre-crime stuff. And there's a lot of tie-and-and-in, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, tie-in, their, tie-in, tie-to-to-to-to-to-cutu-futu-futu-futu-futu-futu-a-a-futur, their-futur, their, to-a, their, their, their, their, to-a-a-a-a-a-a, their, their, their, their, their, their funder of Carbon 911 is Peter Thiel, who also is, you know, talentier and all of that, which is in the pre-crime stuff. And there's a lot of ties into the Trump administration with Peter Thiel and also with Carbine. There's like people from the Trump transition team on the board, one of the biggest donors of the company, and then it's headed by Ahu Barak, who's chairman

and things like that. So a lot of really shady stuff going on there, especially considering now that there's been this proposal that's been put out called Harpa to make like a DARPA, but instead of for defense, it's for health. And they would use out of your electronic devices to determine neural behavioral signs of potential violence, meaning that if you use certain words on social media

or watch certain videos, it could be a predictive, you know, it could predict you being violent at some point in the future, you know. So it's just really, really slippery slope, shady stuff. And, you know, it's, it really makes you wonder, like how many more mass shootings until they really just push thus thi..... thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi.. I, thi. I's, thi. I's, thi. I's, thi. I's, thi. I mean, thi. I, thi. I, thi and you know, it really makes you wonder like how many more mass shootings until they really just push this through and be like, oh, enough is enough. Because the whole idea of this is for them to say, oh, this is a way to avoid the bipartisan struggle in Congress and solving the mass shooting problem. And we can just use all this new technology and we don't have to change our gun laws. So that's basically what th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th is thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that. thate that. thate thate th. that. that. that. that is really really really really that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th all this new technology and we don't have to change our gun laws.

So that's basically what this is being sold as. I think we might have missed a part of that conversation for people who aren't familiar with this story. Whitney, could you just tell us what is Carbine 911 and Jason could you tell us how that connects in with Amdocs and other previous examples of Israeli intelligence spying through communications networks. Well, do you want to go first? Yeah, go first. Well, carbon 911 is like the new, this new software for 911 systems in the US.

And they say that it will prevent, prevent mass shootings and also decrease or decrease the amount of response time of emergency service providers. And the other one, I mentioned Gabriel is something similar, except they install like a physical panic button in like a place, like a church or a school that you would hit a mass shooter, but they all have to be linked up to your smartphone. And all of the, and the 911, you know, system, the carbine one, it's really similar to this thing that was implemented in China that was also marketed, you know in tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and tho, and thi, and thi, and the thi, thi, the thi, the thi, the thi, the thi, thi, the thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th...................... And, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thr. And, thi. And, the the the the the the thi. And, the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the carbine one. It's really similar to this thing that was implemented in China that was also marketed, you know, in the same way, not for mass shootings, but for the health emergency service providers. And it was reverse engineered by like human rights watch and it was mass profiling people, prevailing people, putting people into all these categories like their religious affiliation, their political views, things like that. So, they're the shady stuff. Funded by Epstein and I hood Barak and Peter Thiel. Yeah, and then talking about previous versions of the types of software that they were using to surveil people, you know, in the 90s we had Promise and Carnivore, and

Promise in particular is interesting because it's been widely reported that Glain Maxwell, who is, you know, not even contested to be Epstein's right-hand madam, the main person helping procure these girls, that's her father and he was the one that was actually selling the stolen version of that software to separate entities. Then we fast forward to 9-11, which isn't that far along, it's just a few years along, and we find out through a, I think it was a four or five-part Fox series, that not only did the Israeli Masad seem to have a classified role in 9-11, that two private corporations very well connected to Israel, I think one with a location in Tel Aviv, Amdocs

and Converse also had that relationship and that they had entered, basically all telecommunications had to go through them. And although they weren't able to, quote unquote, listen in on phone calls, they were able to build networks from phone numbers that were calling each other for certain amounts of time. And the amount of government institutions and secret offices that were calling each other for certain amounts of time. And the amount of government institutions and secret offices that they were able to infiltrate is still pretty much classified to this day.

So, you know, these are extremely interesting aspects. And this is something I want to ask you, James, while we fast forward to Carbine and Peter Teal, who is, and you would think people would be going after this because he's Trump's technology advisor. Oh my God. He's the co-founder of PayPal with Elon Musk, but instead of focusing on him, the media right now this week, even though it's not that loud, is focusing on Bill Gates.

Why do you think that is, James? Well, Bill Gates is better do you think that is, James? Well, Bill Gates is better known to the public, so that would be the first and ostensible reason for that. And it is interesting, at any rate, to get Bill Gates caught in his own web of lies and deceits, and to see that unfolding as, as, uh, I had no dealings with Epstein, I'd hardly knew him. I met him once or twice, and now his publicist is saying, well, he was just complaining about Epstein's personal home decor. I mean, they only had an intimate personal relationship. No problem.

So that, I mean, there is some Schadenfreude in that. But you're right, Peter Teal is kind of the news agenda over the past decade behind the scenes in various ways from the creation of PayPal to the creation of Palantier that Whitney Webb mentioned which of course is part of this pre-crime software. We can't exactly tell you what this is but it databases and tracks everything and connects it all together behind the scenes. That obviously has some sort of lineage back to something like the Promise Software who knows how much the the the the the the th. th. th. the th. thpap-it th. th. th. th. th thogether behind the scenes, that obviously has some sort of lineage back to something like the Promise Software. Who knows how much more advanced the Promise Software is now, which of course was stolen from Inslaw Inc. back in the 19,

it was developed in the 70s, if I recall correctly. It was stolen in the 80s, and then, as you say, marketed by people, Robert Maxwell as part of intelligence operations backdoored to give people backdoor access to, well, whoever bought them, whichever intelligence agencies bought them. And of course, one of the implications from Indira Singh and her story about PTECHT is that PTECH was just a further iteration of promise and had its backdoors that helped enable 9-11. So again, it all connects in literally to the octopus that Danny Casillera was investigating that I've talked about before.

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he's either 99 or 100. Rockefeller lived to 101. This is the guy that I see being promoted by the establishment and even people like Tucker Carlson that are supposed to be edgy at this point. So you got a... Yeah. Which I would think there's not a lot. Why they wouldn't go for Teal and his connections to the Trump administration as there are many. Well, if I could jump in, the reason they don't go after anything on Trump, can you got, if you guys can hear me, the reason they don't go on anything for Trump, because the real things that go up from are the things that the people who signed Rachel Meadows checks make money off up. So they can't go after real stuff like going after him selling arms to Saudi Arabia, this pre-crime software because everybody who signs the checks to all the media make money off it.

So they have to go off other stuff and they just look bad. And this whole thing right now that came out with this ABC showing this weapon range thing. I, you know what man, it's hard for me to believe that came out with this ABC showing this weapon range thing. I, you know what man? It's hard for me to believe that people are that dumb. And I know we've seen instances of that. It's making me really think that they're purposely trying to kill the mainstream media, so there's no centralized media, so it's decentralized, and then we, then good luck getting a uniformed idea about what's going on.

When everybody's personalizing their news, good luck on everybody having a clue what's really going on out there. I mean, like that move at ABC is so dumb. I mean, like, dude, I mean, people running a drive-through at a fast food restaurant wouldn't be that stupid. But to put that out and act like that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's like to put that out and then act like that's real footage and then be like, whoa, who knows what's going on? And this is so layered. It's like it's easier to go after Bill Gates, because what's Bill Gates doing that go after this Peter Thiel because he's, it's, it's, he's really connected.

And if you start going after him, you start looking at what's really going down. You know, we were on another issue, how everything's connected. You know, we did a whole thing on the, I did something with Jason on the Vegas shooting. I just had this guy John Collinon who's breaking down all these helicopter footage and all that stuff. And basically how there's this whole feel feel it's either there's some Al Qaeda there, maybe some Saudi Arabia, and how this could be linked to Sophie, which was the first

ever AI that was given, given citizenship in Saudi Arabia, and that brought him to the hotel. And then that's when they did the Saudi purge. And Sophie is connected to Epstein. That's another connection, you know, when Whitney brought up all the, the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and this, and this, and this, and this, and this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this could th, this could thi when they did the Saudi purge. And Sophie is connected to Epstein. That's another connection. You know, when Whitney brought up all the, I think it was the Iran Contra, that's a connection. That's thing too. It's like, this guy's connected to so much, and it's insane that the story isn't bigger. Well, you know, for like, oh, sorry, I was like, th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and than, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, thi, sorry, I was gonna talk about Bill Gates really quick.

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it says that Epstein made millions of dollars out of his business links with Bill Gates, Donald Trump and Leslie Wexner as being his main business links during the 1990s. So obviously the real story with Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Gates goes way further back and they're not talking about it. If I could find that article, New York Times can find that article, and, you know, there's a reason, there's a reason they're not talking about it. They're also not really bringing up the fact that that that was named an alternate executor of Epstein's will was Bill Gates' chief scientific advisor who's in the pictures of him of Bill Gates' meeting with Jeffrey Epstein on like several occasions.

So to be named the executor of the guy's will, you kind of have to be kind of close to him. Calling him up being like, what do you think about philanthropy, Jeffrey Epstein, convicted pedophile, you know, which is like Bill Gates official story. So like, I think it's a limited hangout of like, oh, we got them from the New York Times, you know, but they're not going into the real story. And I think the real story has to be with Microsoft, you know, they collaborate with the NSA, give them back doors into all their stuff, you know, things like that. And there's a lot of, you know, interconnections of the same group that's involved in all the stuff we're talking about today in that with Microsoft.

One thing I really wanted to add really quick going back, a couple minutes back to, a couple minutes back to were contracted by the NSA to install back doors into all of the popular tech products of the U.S. So, you know, like Facebook, a bunch of smartphone apps, VARENT was contracted, a foreign company was contracted by the NSA to put back doors into the telecommunications system of the U.S. After they, you know, their previous iteration, Congress emphasis was caught spying on the governor. Whitney, do you think that it's possible that Bill Gates is just disposable at this point, meaning that if his brand takes a beating, it's not that big of a deal?

Because that's my opinion on why everything now conspiracy rated is being broken on Yahoo. Because Yahoo to me is a brand that everyone recognizes that if everybody hates it doesn't hurt anyone's bottom line So you know you saw all these people putting out all this all this anti-conspiracy stuff and the truth people kind of pull back, you know We Yahoo, Yahoo's dead. Yahoo is not a brand that's making nobody any money. So if they can use Yahoo to put out that stupid conspiracy land podcast, to be putting out all this like anti-conspiracy stuff, if people end up hating Yahoo, it doesn't hurt anyone's bottom line in the long run. Is that kind of maybe what is going on with Bill Gates is like, if he takes a beating, does it really hurt anybody in the long run? Because he's, I mean, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, to be, to be, is, to be, the the the, the, the, the, the, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, the, is, the the the the the the the the the the the the th.. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to be to be to be to be to to be to to to be to bea, to to bea, to bea, to be to bea, to be to be the th? Because he's, I mean, how much in the game is he as much as like he's like a figurehead? I don't know how much he really has, you know,

skin in the game anymore. That's why I think it's like a limited hangout, right? It's like, oh, he lied, and the history only really goes back to 2011 when the real story is obviously like probably a decade or more before then, right? So, th...... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, th. th. th. th. th. they. th. th. they. th. they. th. thi. they. thi. thi. I, thi. they. they. they. I they. I they. I they. I they. I they. I they. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. th. th. th. I don't they. I don't they. I don before then, right? So they just sort of like, oh he met with him a couple more times but they don't go into these business links that obviously had to do with Microsoft and software. We know that Epstein had a lot of links or the network, rather of Epstein had links to promise and things like that. Microsoft is known to collaborate with intelligence agencies. I think know, if someone did enough to dig a gang, they could find it. Let's talk about that really quick, Whitney. You don't even have to dig that far back in those 10. I did a story about how Microsoft was openly working with the U.S. military with their

connect. And that was the initial camera set up where it had three separate cameras. It was in your home. It came with the Xbox one initially as well. But they had an open government military program. Now when I pressed them on what that was used for, because I contacted their spokesman, number one, they wouldn't talk to me. They said that I had to present those questions in typed form, which I did. And then I got a ridiculous response.

I did that story for info wars. It's it's it's that's that's that's been scrubbed from the internet but I have it somewhere and you know it's not surprising that Bill Gates is in bed with a guy and in bed with the government. You mentioned another person that the media wants to focus on Leslie Wexner and his empire with the limited and models and Victoria's secret what they don't want to talk about is the the Wexner group and them, you know, having a paper leaked in 2003 on how Israeli policy was kind of to step back and let the US do a thing until they overthrew Saddam, but now how can we continue to get the American people behind this war now

that Saddam has been taken out in 2003 and hey, they did a hell of a job because it's too fucking 19 and I excuse me for cursing, but we're Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria now, we went into Libya, Afri-com, we've only expanded the war on terror. So to think that Leslie Wexner is just a businessman and he's got models, no, he's helping set foreign policy for this country on behalf of Israel and that's not questionable. Did the Wexner rabbit hole is so deep though, like even before then, so the Wexner analysis you're talking about, that was leaked in like the early 2000s. In the 1990s, I talked about this when I was on your show Jason, Jason, Jason, Jason, Jason, Jason, Jason, Jason, Jason, that th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. J, th. th. th. th. th. thi, the, thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, in like the early 2000s. In the 1990s, I talked about this when I was on your show Jason,

that he, the Limited, Epstein and Wexner got Southern Air Transport, the Notorious CIA Front Company to relocate to Columbus, Ohio from Miami, Florida, and run all of the air traffic and logistics, air logistics for the Limited between Hong Kong and Columbus and like the Inspector General Ohio's government called it the Mayor Lansky run because he was like openly suggesting that they were smuggling stuff with the CIA and organized crime. And even beyond that, Catherine Austin Fitz told me that she had been told by a former CIA employee that Wexner was well known as being one of the top five money launderers for organized crime in the United States. So I'm going to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the the to be the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. their. their. their. their. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, known as being one of the top five money launderers for organized crime in the United States. So I'm going to be having a series coming up in a week or two or so. It'll start about how Epstein and a

Wexner were using real estate to launder like millions of dollars during the late 80s in the early 90s and they were doing it with a Bromfman Family Trust managed by this guy named Guido G, whose father founded the World Jewish Congress, very close to Henry Kissinger, as well. There's a lot of interconnections. Of course, when you get into New York real estate and money laundering, there's also connections to Larry Silverstein, which brings us to 9-11. Incidentally, Sam, I think this might go back towards answering sort of your initial question. Whitney raised the prospect of Catherine Austin Fitz, and in my recent conversation with her, she opined that the Epstein case was all wrapped up, one way or another however it

really ended. It was wrapped up precisely because the financial coup d'etat has now taken place in such a form that they can now do this without the need for the financial coup d'etat has now taken place in such a form that they can now do this without the need for the financial money laundering blackmail aspects that Epstein brought to the whole affair. So she, it's her opinion that this is basically winding up now because they don't need that anymore, they can kind of tie up those loose ends. Wow. The timing of it was really, was really telling because that policy change, standard

56, I think it's called. That was like just two weeks, I think, before the Miami Herald's Exposay on Epstein last year that supposedly was the reason for this investigation that supposedly led to these charges being pressed. So the timing is really telling there. And also just two weeks before Efton was arrested, Deutsche Bank closes all their accounts with Epstein. And they were the only bank that, you know, had avoided doing so. Up until that point, and the main bank involved in this money laundering stuff I'm going

to be talking about is Deutsche Bank. Not surprising then that we have all this ties in with other New York property developers that are now politically powerful, like the questioners in Trump, also to do with that. So there's a whole lot, the pick-up there. Is there something though between Trump and that group or is this just more theater? Yeah. No, I definitely think so. Well, I mean, in my series, right, I talk a lot about how there's a lot of connections, at least in New York anyway, to organize crime and intelligence in the government. And one of the main figures that I talk about in the early part of my series that was

running a sexual blackmail ring for the, you know, it was really similar to Epstein's, was Roy Cone, who was Trump's mentor and was a very notorious lawyer, who had a lot of ties to lawyers like that, including Ivan Fisher and some other people. There's a lot of crossover also between Robert Maxwell and Tom Balan, who was Roy Cohn's law partner and just like, the amount of connections are really crazy. I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I could just talk about them for like, stop and the, to the law. Because it's really nuts. It's a huge web. need to like map it out graphically. But you know, I basically goes back to this, the national crime syndicate,

which is the Mayor Lansky co-founded with the Genovese crime family crime syndicate, how they got bed with the OSS before runner, the CIA before World War II, and then brought their sexual blackmail rings that they had why we're you know where we are now. And when you bring up Roy Cone, I think it's really important for people to understand his importance spanned decades, you know, from you know that McCarthyism era into you know being Trump's lawyer and the rise of Roger Stone and actually there's a new documentary I can't wait to watch it.

I haven't seen where I can get it yet, but it's called Where's My Roy Cone? Yeah, that'll be interesting what they dug up there. It's based in a in a Trump quote. And if you watch the trailer at the very end, somebody speaking who was close to Roy said, hey, if you asked Roy, he was responsible for every major dealing of the past few decades. So talk about arrogance and being out there and saying, hey, I do control things. One of those people was Roy Cohn. He was very flamboyant about it. Yeah, well, he was a big fixer for politics and he really had a, he was really powerful in the Reagan administration.

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Oh my God. But the media will tell you, oh, it's just Trump's sleazy mentor, and he was a lawyer for organized crime, end of story. That's pretty much, you know, all you'll get about Roy town from the mainstream. So do you guys, okay, so the Epstein and the Trump battle is, we think is a real battle. I always say that's kind of where things change. Maybe, maybe not. Is the battle between, in your guys, it's research everybody, is the battle between, in your guys' research, everybody, is the battle between the CIA and the NSA real, or is that more smokescreen that Q was trying to push on everybody? Yeah, I don't really buy that personally, the CIA NSA thing.

I think, I think, you know, I think, you know, I think the intelligence agency, Israel's intelligence status or even, you know, the UKs, I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I think your intelligence agency is Israel's intelligence status or even, you know, the UK's, I mean, when you get the higher levels of power, they all pretty much like do the same stuff to work together and collaborate a lot. And that's really been that way, you know, since the 50s at least, I would say. And I would say it's those, it's not so much, listen, agencies kind of battle with one another, but that's in the bureaucracy level. When you get to the upper echelons, when you get to asset levels, I mean you look at it like a guy like John Kiriakow, right? And he basically, aside from being a whistleblower on torture, I recently did a video where he talks about, hey, it's official policy for a espionage. And if you've got an asset in another country and you're already breaking

laws for that person, if he asks you for a child prostitute, you go procure that child prostitute. Your superiors are going to tell you to do that. That alone should be very, very telling that that is an official CIA policy when you are involved in espionage. But I'd like to get Corbett's take. Well, Jason, I think you hit the nail on the head exactly right. Yeah, there is, there is FBI versus CIA, there's CIA versus NSA. There are institutional rivalries and all of that, but you're right, that's at the bureaucratic level. I think our problem in the general public is understanding these intelligence agencies as the CIA, as if it is a singular entity that is all controlled by whoever happens to be the director at that particular

moment, etc. rather than seeing all of the different intelligence agencies as connections in a grid of essentially secret societies. I mean, the secret societies of old became the intelligence agencies in the modern era. No better example of that than the fact that the early CIA essentially was skull and bones from Yale. All the heads and tops of the CIA back in the early days was old skull and bones fraternity members. It's that same idea.

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own agenda in place. So we really have to nail down the actual connections between people, rather than look at it through that institutional framework, which to a certain extent is a limited hangout in this situation. And James, I'm so glad that you brought up Peterdale, Scott. I'm actually going to be having on my program in the next couple of weeks. I finally reached out and he reached back out, but he is the the godfather of the term deep state of parapolitics, of deep politics, of these type of networks. And when we talk about interagency networks, I think there's a great example to be made, and me and James have actually discussed this before with Lee Harvey Oswald. But let's take a look at Epstein, for instance.

Now you have evidence that he was involved with some kind of intelligence agency via, what's it, Vicki, what's her name? Vicki Ward, and she basically stated that Acosta was in his confirmation meeting with the Trump administration said when he was questioned about Epstein, he was told he was in intelligence, it was above his pay grade and back up. Now whether that's CIA, NSA, Assad, something else, it's almost a moot point, because we have documentation that shows at some time he cooperated with Robert Mueller and the FBI.

So there you have at least two separate agencies, unless you're gonna say that that connection to intelligence was just FBI, and I don't believe that, kind of getting a piece of Epstein and that's now on the record. So again, I think when you talk about, you know, the FBI or the CIA as kind of like this one big institute, it's far from that. Like James said, it's all about compartmentalization. Yeah, no, I completely agree. I think people get caught up in the whole Republican Democrat thing. And, you know, growing up I first got in the the the the the th in th into th into th into th into th into th into th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thithe the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their th. th. th. their th. their th. their th. th. their the the th. th. I mean people who get caught up in in that debate and any of that, like people, I'll be at the gym and people will talk to me about, oh, did you see what's going on with the Republicans will not this pass or the Democrats? And I'm just like, it's a theater. I'm like, I don't want to discuss any of it. It's a soap opera. And really what's goingthat's the other thing like the big picture like you see Massad constantly come you know

eugenics comes up you know you talk about all these big People and groups and and and and events and it's like masad you you epigenetics, you know, just a global government like what is the big picture? What is, do you guys have an opinion on like, who's really pulling the strings? Because that's, I mean, that's really what, we use the word they a lot, right? They, they're doing this, and then, you know, the, I get caught doing it, where I'm just like, I don't really explain who they are, or, and I think maybe there isn't, there isn't, there isn't, there isn't, there isn't, there isn't, there isn't, there isn't, there there isn't, there there there there is their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th.. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. the. th. th. th.'t just one answer to that question, you know, it counts what specific thing you're talking about.

Yeah. Or do you think there is a they? Yeah, there's an eight-foot albino lizard called Pindar and he's pulling up thing. No, I don't know. I think that, I think that, I know, there's, it's almost like LA, right? Every different area has its own gang that runs everything, okay? Occasionally, those gangs are gonna work together when it's beneficial. When it's not beneficial, they're gonna go to war with each other. So, I think there's all these different groups that have a certain turf, and this

is their thing. And when it's beneficial, they all work together. And they just use this theater to get us all fighting with each other. So these people run this, these people, white guys are bad guys, these people are bad guys, Jews are bad people, blah, blah, blah. They all fight with each other. When in reality, they're all just trying to make a dollar at every single moment, and when it's beneficial, they'll work together. together. thogether. thogether. thogether. together, that's my opinion. I agree. That's a good point, Sam. I think that question is designed to get us fighting with each other, I mean, whether intentionally or not, because oh, no, you think that's the top of the pyramid, but this is the top of the pyramid, and everyone spends all their time arguing about that.

But think about even in the people that we have mentioned, you can go and you can look at their connections and you can see how they tie into this as we're calling it the gigantic octopus, this story that has tendrils everywhere and that reaches into all these different conspiracies over the decades. But no one's going to be satisfied to hear, you know, is all the th. th. th. th. th. thin, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, te, te. te. teateateate. tel. tel. tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, tel. tel. tel, to hear, you know, it's all Roy Cone, you know, he runs the world. No, of course not, because that's not true, but he is a point at which you can start to examine this octopus. But because there isn't that there's this one person that runs everything, it's never going to be satisfying for people. They are looking for the cons or something like that. I think the more appropriate question is what ideology is running the world, not what person, but what ideology, what brings these different people together in these types of schemes?

And you hit on some of the key points there, like the eugenics, which is one that I keep going back to because it keeps coming back and it comes back up again in the Epstein case. Epstein was way into eugenics and had this crazy scheme. He was going to fertilize a bunch of women with his sacred sperm and start whatever kind of, I don't know, Superman coulter. You know, I mean, it always comes back to these same things, which ultimately is just about the quest for power. That's ultimately the point of it. But what better power, what more ultimate power than than than the future, the future, the future, the future, the future, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, more ultimate power than really controlling the future of the species, which is what it continues to come back to, especially in the technological context today,

when you start looking at the Peter Teals and the Bill Gates's and the Microsofts and what other types of things are these. Oh, Bill Gates is a eugenicist and his father was way into eugenics and and now he's the billionaire philanthropist who's saving the world by stopping those poor black and brown people on the other side of the planet from breeding, but it's all for our own good and blah blah blah. It always comes back to these same ideologies and that's I think what we need to focus on more than who is the person running the world..... the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. What is. What is. What is. What is. What is. the world. the world. the world. the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the is, the is, the is, the is, the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the is thi. the world. What is the ideology behind this? Yeah, I would agree with James, and I would almost liken it to, if you look at the United States presence in the Middle East, there's a very obvious US Anglo-American Israeli-Saudi alliance. However, when it's convenient to us,

we'll expose the Saudi Arabian funding of 9-11. But maybe we don't want to expose the package. Only a little bit. Yeah. We're talking about the pack-any funding because, you know, they could turn their backs on us at any time. And when you talk about Saudi Arabia, that is kind of integral to this Epstein story as, you know, that passport they found right after Vicky Ward said that he was connected to intelligence in his safe that had stamps on it, that had been

to nations like Saudi Arabia, France, and I believe the Netherlands, I might be wrong on that last one, but he had traveled with this passport. He obviously had another identity. You know, Whitney's done some great work on who she thinks gave him that passport. But at the end of the day, for that thing to exist, there has to be somebody in Saudi Arabia that gives the thumbs up as well. Well, the Saudis are super tied in with the CIA though. I think in those recent, when the Department of Justice was deciding if thiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, then, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi.a.a.a.a. thi.a.a. thi.a. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, th deciding if they were going to declass or unredact some of those Saudi names in those 9-11 documents, you know, it sort of came up that way that like, oh, well, if they admit that there was like Saudi intelligence involvement to any extent, then the CIA obviously would have known because that relationship is so close, right?

So I think that's, you know, worth pointing out. But I think I wanted wanted to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the to the the the the the the the the they, they, they, their, their, their, their, they, their, their, their, their, they, they, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th.e.e.e.uu.u.u.u.u. I. I. I. I'm, their, their, their, their, think I wanted to touch on back on that question about who runs the world right that James pointed on is about these philanthropists, right? And how they've rebranded themselves to be philanthropists. This is a thing that's been going on since like the days of J.D. Rockefeller, and we even see it, you know, with all these people in the Epstein case, even Epstein, before he was exposed and arrested the first time, Bill Clinton referred to him as a great philanthropist, right? So all of these guys that are, you know, these oligarchs that are funding all of the stuff in this Orwielan dystopian world, you know, they have rebranded themselves as philanthropist.

I think it's really important to peck away of that as much as possible and just show, you know, how absurd that is. I mean, yeah, they may give the money away to a lot of causes, but what other horrible things are they funding that like, oh, yeah. I totally canceled that out, you know what I mean? It's a way of in the mega group that has a lot of ties to Epstein and stuff like that. They claim to be a philanthropy group, but you know, like pretty much, I mean I had this in one of my reports on Epstein pretty much everyone that is named as a member of the mega group has direct ties to organized crime every single one of them. And they and they've all rebranded as this philanthrop group. And even Sam Bromfman, who's the patriot of the Bromf and family with Seagrams and all of that, and was known to be like this mob-linked guy,

and was known for his mob ties. He went about to rebrand himself as a philanthropist, specifically, you know, one focused on like pro-Israeli causes or Zionist causes and things like that in the 1930s. That was his th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, tho, thoom, thoom. And, thi, and, thoom. And, thoomomomomomom. And, and, and, thoomomomomom. And, and, and, tho, and, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th. and, th. And, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, and, and, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, throwne, and, throwne. And, theea, thean, thin, thin, and, thin, thean, thoomoma, and,the mega group is an outgrowth of that. But we see that not just with the mega group, but like the, you know, J.D. Rockefeller was the guy that first pioneered this. We see that with all of these guys that are essentially funding the same stuff,

which is, you know, this stuff. It really needs to be exposed that, no, they're not here to help you. They believe in supremacy. They believe in eudenics and they believe in, you know, concentrating control, you know, in their hands only and, you know, putting us in this, this futile, you know, pre-crime surveillance state. When they were defending the, uh, when all the stuff started coming out about the Clinton group, you saw all the talk shows on the cable outlets, all talking about how the Clinton Global Initiative, all the philanthropy work that they were, how much charity worked. Jeffstein came up with the Clinton Global Initiative according to his to his defense lawyers. That's all they kept doing was they just, yeah, yeah, totally 100%. Yeah. Okay, sorry, go on no go ahead no go no

no Ricky go on you I would love to hear your take no go ahead I was probably just gonna say something pointless anyway to go ahead well but this is actually I mean the benefit of I was really excited to have all you guys on was I'm so excited you know because it's I'm a fan of it obviously all your shows and all your work and all your research and I find myself being a spectator sometimes when I have you guys on because I do end up just be getting I almost feel like I'm just listening to I interview you're doing on somebody else to show and but yeah I mean this stuff is so fascinating fascinating and and and yeah, I mean go ahead Sam go add to it, please Well, it might be a dumb question, but I just like if you know, it's like everything

Seems to be some kind of illusion is the war between China and the US real in the sense like is this a moment where? The either the high-ups in the military and business people see like oh dude if we go that way we become communist we are we lose our rights to own our businesses we're giving up but that we're like are there people the military who just like really care about the Constitution care about the Bill of Rights and all that stuff or is that just an illusion to get us all raw raw our team your team sucks I mean like is that real like is that the that that that the like that that the like that the like that that the like that the like the the the the the that the the the the the that the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. they. they. they. they. they. theyoooooooooooooooooooooooooo is. the the the the the the the the the bill of rights and all that stuff or is that just an illusion to get us all raw raw our team your team sucks I mean like is that real? Well you know what I think the China situation is complex it's one I've actually talked about at length with James because again all this technological advancement in surveillance in instant social credit score reduction into

instant fining and facial recognition, in my opinion, has now been beta-tested in China and is going to be further tested by 2021 on a population of over one-billion. So you go back to the you know the 80s when they started integrating, you know, Coca-Cola and blue jeans and getting rid of their one-child policies, but still pretty much hardline communists, bringing in a little bit of capitalism, doing business with us, right? Well, our society starts moving towards that sort of authoritarianism, too. And although we may not be comfortable with the type of technological surveillance that they have already accepted in China, the technology exists, and it's seeping its th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi. that they have already accepted in China, the technology exists and it's seeping its way in through privatized apps, things like Carbine, which she's talking

about, things like Apple's credit score, let's not forget those devices are made in China at the Foxcon plant. So we live in a much too integrated world for us to say US versus China. I think the ideal sets at the top are very, very similar. Yeah. We'll talk about everything coming full circle because the Rockefellers have been deeply involved in China since the early part of the 20th century and it was David Rockefeller protégé Henry Kissinger who really spearheaded the opening up and normalization of relations with China back in the 70s. I've talked about this at length with yourself and on my own program, Jason. I've talked about China and the New the World Order and the ways that China has been built

up to be what it is, with a large degree of help from David Rockefeller, who, by the way back in the New York Times, in his little little, and to, and to, and to, and to, and to, to, to, to, thii-and, thi-and, thi-in, thi-in, thi-in, thi-in, their, their, their, their, to, to, to, to to their, their, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the way back in the 1970s wrote in the New York Times in his little peon to Chairman Mao from a China traveler, I believe set in 1973. He wrote that China's, you know, there may, essentially we may have broken a few eggs in order to make a great omelette, but what a great omelette it is. China will be the template for change going forward. Well, here we are, and here it is, as you say, now we see simultaneously, we see stories about the incredible levels of Big Brother encroachment of Chinese government into everyday Chinese citizens' lives, alongside stories that are saying, oh, by the way, they're exporting their technology to dozens and dozens of countries around the world now. So put two and two together, this is the model that is being exported to the world. And again, I think in the exact same way, we can't talk about the CIA and the NSA and

the FBI and the MISAD. These are entities that are fluid and dynamic and have different sort of compartments that correspond with each other and are cross-institutional. In the same way, you can't talk about the United States and China as if they are singular entities. Of course, there are people within the military and political bureaucracies of these countries that are gung-ho, ra-ra, ra-ra, America versus China, and the other side, China, yay, versus America. But those aren't necessarily the people in positions of power that are making things happen behind the scenes. All right, listen, I do have to jump ship guy.

I love it. I want to thank Sam. I want to thank Whitney. I definitely want to thank James as well. And I want to congratulate you, Ricky for episode number and this is how we get information out to people. This is a form of activism. Getting people entrenched in this information several different viewpoints is a very, very positive thing in my opinion.

And I want to thank you for putting this roundtable again. Yeah, yeah, thank you guys. Thank you guys. I mean, it's been 200 episodes, so I figured I'd let you guys talk. People are probably sick of hearing me. But yeah, thank you so much. I mean, obviously the important, you know, the whole reason I started this podcast was to kind of start, you know, do my part and starting a ripple. I think we're all doing that. And I think any time we can come together and just cheer like you said, different perspectives, different opinions. I think we always end up taking something from the conversation. And, and, the, the, th. th. th. th. to, to, to, to, their, to, th. their, th. th. th. th. th. th. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, taking something from the conversation and and hopefully we expose, you know, some of James's fans, the Whitney's work and then, you know, Sam's the Jason's and vice versa, you know, so we all help kind of just, you know, because we all have the same mission.

I think often we've seen in the alternative media, you know, a lot throughout the years, you know, us turning on each other because we have different opinions on one specific event or whatnot. I think it's important to kind of focus on, you know, we all at, inside all have the same goal at mine and that's to, you know, get the truth out and try to, you know, expose some of the shit heads. So, let's keep doing that. And thanks a lot, guys. Thank you so much for...

I just want to say some Rick. Some Rick Ricky, congratulations on 200. It's incredibly hard. Most podcasts end after five. Most of them don't even get the five. So the fact you got the 200 is amazing. When you ask me to do these things, I'm blown away. I'm functionally illiterate pretty much. So I want to know how I'm here. But all you guys, I'm such huge fans of each one of you. And to be able to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be a a, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, to to to to to the the the the thiolet, I, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi. thi. the, the, threate. threathea, threathea, the. thean, thiologe, thioluoooooo, thioliolu. thi, thi, of each one of you, and to be able to sit in on this conversation,

means the world to me. It was like, I literally, I feel like I want a radio contest. I got the, I think some of these topics are one of my favorite fans. Some of these topics are so serious that we need sometimes somebody like Sam to kind of throw in a dick joke every once a while. And then we need somebody like Whitney, a female, to be so professional to be like, oh, Sam, well, maybe he'll, you know, hold back a little bit. Like, oh, Whitney's joining us, because maybe I can't say too many dick jokes this time.

No, it's cool. It's really okay. I'm just, I'm just. I'm a respect. I. I. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. th. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. th. to. to. to. to. to. Well, to. Well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well. Well, well. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. thi. th. thi. Well, dude, you deserve it. Ricky 200 is amazing. May you get another 200 more. I gotta think you guys, because honestly without James and Jason and Whitney and Sam who are willing to come on, you know, I wouldn't have this show. I mean, I say I'm an idiot, I'm just a conduit that kind of help exposed people that I'm a fan of and, you know, I hope my listeners get exposed to really good researchers and other shows and other good good good work so that's kind of just my goal and you know and and it wouldn't it wouldn't exist

of James and Jason and you guys didn't come on especially James and Jason because they came on when I was in the single digits so it's a you know it's it's awesome to have them still on and continue to keep keeping this relationship going. I miss James's face, though. I gotta be honest with you, I miss the face. You'll see it when this eventually gets posted, don't worry. But yeah, Ricky, let me just throw in my congratulations too.

I'm sure I've been on a couple dozen of those 200 episodes, and I appreciate the time that you spend on thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, I thi, thi, I thi, I's, I's, thi, I's, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm to to tho, I'm thi, I'll thi, I'll thi, I'll thi, I'll thi, I'll thi, I'll thi, I'll thi, I'll thi, I'll thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I'll thi, I'll thi, I'll thi, thi, thi, thi, thi.i.iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.a. thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'll th time that you spend on this and the fact that you keep the ripple going because as you say it is a ripple effect and we're all doing what we can in our own way so I'm glad you're putting yourself out there into the world. Absolutely thank you. Thank you so much everybody. I'll let you enjoy the rest of your night and we'll keep in touch. Bye guys. Okay, thanks and congratulations for me. Since I didn't say thi. I. I. I. It th. Thank. It th. Thank. It th. Thank. It that. It's. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. thate. tho. that. that. that that tho. tho. th. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. the that the that that that that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. I tha. I tha. I tha. I tha. I tha. to the. tha. the. the. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. to say. Whitney, you're great. You're a cold-blooded killer. I love that. I can listen to you. Stop facts all the time. You're wonderful. I appreciate all your hard work.

You and Jane, thank you. So much knowledge in like two sentences, it blows my mind. It's, it's a. Thanks. I'm super stoked to be on a show with a show. tha. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. I. to. to. I. to. to. I. to. to. to. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm super. I'm super. I'm super. I'm super. I'm, I'm super. I'm super. I'm super. I'm. your videos ever. So this is like very life affirming for me in my career. Thank you for that. We're all fans. We're all fans of all of you. Yeah, fan boys of James.

So it's just joined the, join the club. But thanks, thanks everyone again. And we'll definitely do this again in, hopefully in the near future.