Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #254: Crimes and Cover-Ups in American Politics with Don Jeffries

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Starting point is 00:04:54 We were supposed to have a book club that I think I'm going to start up in the new year. And maybe this might be one of the books. He has a book out called Crimes and Cover-Up, Cove-Ups in American Politics, 1776, the 1963. It has a forward by legend himself, Dr. Ron Paul. Please welcome to the show Donald Jefferees. How are you, Donald? Can I call you Don? Sure, whatever you want. That's fine. Thanks for having me.

Starting point is 00:05:24 Don, it's an honor and a privilege to come on. I love where you live. I get a little piece of who you're about. You have a lot of books. You obviously accomplish, uh, accomplished author. How many books have you written? Is this your first one? You have many books? No, I had one novel published and this is my third nonfiction book and my fourth one is coming out in January. Well, it'll be five, th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi tho tho tho tho tho tho tho to to thi thi to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi thi. I thi. I'll thi. I'll thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. I to to to to to this is my third nonfiction book and my fourth one is coming out in January. So, I'd be five books altogether. Well congratulations my friend. That's amazing. Books are, I love books. Ah, when did this book come out?

Starting point is 00:05:53 When did, when did you put this one out, crimes and cover up in American politics? Well it's still relatively new? It came out in June of this year, so it's still doing pretty well, still in the honeymoon period. So far, amazingly enough, considering how controversial material is I really haven't gotten any negative reviews at all. A couple even mainstream reviewers liked it, so far so good. So, let me get this right you have this book just came out this year 2019 January and now you already have another book coming out I guess it's kind of like in my world stand-up comedy people who just keep cranking out these hour specials are you just on fire you just motivated like like that

Starting point is 00:06:41 seems like almost impossible to be able to put out this many books that quickly. I don't get writers block, put it that way. I have no problem writing and I have no, I don't run out of anything to write about what the way the world is. And so yeah, the book coming out in January is called Bulliocracy. It's actually going to be about bullying in schools. So it's a little bit of a different subject for me, but just as controversial. And then. I'm almost down a book on showbiz, which is going to be called on borrowed fame. That's, you know, we'll see. I should have any trouble getting to publish for that. So yeah, I've always have a few backlogged in the queue and then what to write next. Have you always been into trying to find out what really happened.

Starting point is 00:07:25 That's a big part of this show. We really love to investigate the information that's out there that maybe the mainstream media won't get you or, you know, let you know about whether it's in our schools or in our media. Is that kind of like, you have some very interesting topics. You're putting out some information that might not be known to the general public like we've learned on the show like we tend to find out what is up is really down and what is down is really up

Starting point is 00:07:52 what led you to write books on these subjects well I started out as a teenager volunteer with Mark Lane if you ever heard of him he was the most famous critic of the Warren report he rushed to judgment he was back on tv and college campuses uh... quite a bit decades ago he was like my mentor and my hero and uh... that was the mid nineteen seventies and uh... we've lobbied congress and eventually uh... we helped in getting a house select committee on assassinations to reinvestigate. Of course, we were disappointed with that. Disillusioned a lot of people. But that's where I got my start with the JFK assassination.

Starting point is 00:08:26 That's still my main wheelhouse, I guess. And it's my go-to subject. But from there, you know, you start opening those doors, you get into MLK and and RFK, and then everything that happened after that, you know, the crime since that, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you're, you're, th, th, th, th, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they, the, the, the, the, and, and, and, and, and, and, they, and, the, the, the, and, and, and, and, and, the, and, and, the, the, and, the, the, and, the, the, the, is is.......... And, is. And, is. And, is. And, is. And, is. And, is. And, is. And, is. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the crime since then, you start going down these rabbit holes and they just go deeper and deeper and lead to other things. You know, I saw an article came out that said that the French government had assassinated about 20 African leaders. Think about that, 20 African leaders.

Starting point is 00:09:00 And then you kind of look at the 60s and there is just this rash of like huge names being like assassinated and then it seems to have quiet down we haven't seen a really huge name taken out I think maybe the last one I remember was a Minnesota senator who was very anti-war him and his family went down in the middle of a force and I was like man that's Shay he's anti-war Paul Wellstown yeah so it's like that was like that that that that that was like that was a that was a that was a that was a that was a that was a that was a that was a that was a very that was a very that was a very that was a very that was a very that was a very that was a very that was a that was a th. th. th. that was a that was a th. th. th. th. th. that was like. th. th. that was like. th. th. that was like. that was like. that was like. that was a that was a that was a that was a that was a that was a that was a that was a that was a that was a that was a that was a that was a that was a that was a th. th. that was a th. th. th. that was a that was a that was a th. that was a th. that was a th. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the thi. thi. the the thi. the the th. th., but and I was like, man, that's shit, he's anti-war and Paul Wellstone, yeah. So it's like, that was a very interesting time and you know, we being a podcast called Tim Foil Hot, obviously we dabble in the conspiracies and the conspiracy theories. I like to call it, you know, spiritual skepticism of the official narrative. But you know, being a man who's like, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, you know, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you know, you, you know, you know, th, th, th, th, th, th, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, I like to call it you know spiritual skepticism of the official narrative but you know being a man who's like you know has been investigating JFK for a long time what is your whole take on on the world of

Starting point is 00:09:56 conspiracies and why people like Sasha Baron Cohen recently came out he's an actor who has done several movies mocking the American people, has come out and talked about how bad hate speech has, even though he did so much stuff and how dumb Americans are and he used the theory conspiracy theories. Like how many times do we have to be right before that that term can no longer be used as degradingly you know? Well it's it's a terms conspiracy theory it's really just a way to describe those who are awake and those who distrust the state and who

Starting point is 00:10:39 question authority understand that corruption is everywhere and are pointing it out. And it's easy to say, I mean, I've told people when they're reading my books or anything I've written on my blog or my interviews or anything. If they can find a theory in it, let me know what it is. It's not a theory to say, I mean, you can pick any subject. It's not a theory to point out the evidence in JFK. It's not a, it's not a theory to point out that until September 11, 2001, no high-rise steel frame building had ever collapsed from fire.

Starting point is 00:11:12 And after not, and three did that day, including Building 7, which wasn't hit by any plane, or anything, and after that day, none have sense. It's not a theory. It's whatever it is. I mean, I th, I th, I th, I th, th, th, th, it's not, th, it's not, th, it's not, th, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not, it's not, it's, it's, th. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, no. It's, no. It's, no. It's, thi. It's, thi. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's not, th. It's not a. It's not a. It's not a threat. It's not a. It's not a. It's not a. threaten. th. threaten. thea. threaten. thea. th. It's not, th. It's notory. It's a fact. And it's whatever it is. I mean, we put out something like recently like Seth Ritz, they'll call you a conspiracy theor. If you even mention his name now. It's not a theory to say he was a Democratic National Committee staffer that was all but named by Julian Assange as the leaker of those incriminating emails, not the Russians. And it's not a theory to say that he was murdered in an attempted robbery where nothing was stolen. And that no one ever investigated the crime and no one seems interested, at least of all his family. Those aren't theories. And that's the problem is when you mention, when

Starting point is 00:11:51 you mention the part of it's part of being a comic i mean how to do a lot of times there's it's hard to make fun of something unless you do literally make fun of it you ridicule it but hate when you talk about hate speech hate speech is incompatible with any concept of free speech in the left where i should nominally be a the welcome anymore because I'm a civil libertarian. And I believe in defending the rights of those I disagree with. The left not only doesn't want to do that today, they would like to get you fired from your job if you say the wrong thing,

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Starting point is 00:13:06 Like, you know, it's like, I believe in someone's right to be conservative. I believe in someone's the right to be a flaming homosexual as well. Like, as long as you're not hurting children or hurting women or hurting even men. I don't know why we exclude that from that. It's like, as long as you're not hurting anybody you could do whatever you want in my opinion. Why do you think and we'll get into your book because your theories are amazing or your research should I say it's pretty amazing. Why do you think people are so afraid of conspiracy theories? Like for a moment you know Don we the conspiracy theors I'll use that term so we all know what we're talking. That term was evented by the CIA. Right, you you you you you you you you you you you you, I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, th, th. th. thi, thi thi thi thi the, the, the, the, the, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. do. thi. thi. do. theory, so I'll use that term so we all know

Starting point is 00:13:45 what we're talking about. That term was evented by the CIA. Right, right. I know you know that. Yeah, we were talking about that. But why, you know, for that, I would say literally 19 had 19 hours, not even a full day of everybody kind of letting us do it like a Hank Aaron Victory lap around the bases after he hit the home run.

Starting point is 00:14:14 And they were like, okay, you were right. And I had my friends call me people who've been very hardened against like anything that myself and people on my show talk about, but for that one moment we had people believe in us and then they went right back to not believing like anything. Why are people so afraid of conspiracy theories? Well you know of all people Jayager Hoover I think who was certainly a top level conspirator himself and all those years running the FBI.

Starting point is 00:14:46 But he once said, and he was talking about the communist conspiracy, which that's all he was looking at during the phony Cold War period, but he said, you know, the average person, and this applies, I think, to anything. we' what we're talking about and they don't want to confront the extent of what it is and that's why you're talking to the average person out there, the average soccer mom, you know, the average guy that has a decent middle-class job. When you talk to them, they don't, they can't conceive this, they can't concede when you, especially when you go really deep down rabbit hole. start talking about child sex trafficking rings, international, that kind of thing. Nobody wants to go there. It doesn't matter what that, you know, when you talk about somebody like, again, it's

Starting point is 00:15:31 not a theory. John Podesta, you looked at his office. He had a picture of cannibalistic painting in his office. Now I don't know what that means, but we know there's lots of other references to cannibalism and all these very dark subjects amongst the elite. And they come out all the time, but you have a hard enough time trying to get some people to understand even 9-11, something which is really bland compared to something like pedophilia or Pizzagate or something like that. Sandy Hook, those kind of things. They don't want to go there because to them, this is something that is so beyond the pill.

Starting point is 00:16:09 But one of the other, and I talk about it in my new book, one of the many forgotten figures of history, James Forrestall, who was the first critic of the modern state of Israel, the first Secretary of Defense, after it was renamed, we've been called Secretary of Warb until then, and Truman, he supposedly jumped from a window of Bethesday and Naval Hospital. I don't think anybody's examined, it believes that he jumped. He was killed clearly, but he was, he told Joe, he told Joe, he'd told Joe McCarthy, who he was friends with at that time before McCarthy really started to investigate the Army. But he told McCarthy, you know, Joe, if this wasn't a huge conspiracy once in a while they'd make a mistake in our favor yeah accidental happenstance would mean that

Starting point is 00:16:52 sooner once in a great while a real statesman a modern day george washington to emerge you'd see them you don't see them anywhere just recently i was talking to the and social media about uh... Donald trump just re-sign the uh... reauthorized the r rauthor author author author author author author author the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the the the the to to the the the the the to the the to to to to to to to to to to to to the the their to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the total total total total total total total total toy toy toy today today tttttoday today ttoday ttoday today ttoday today today today today today today them anywhere. Just recently I was talking to them on social media about Donald Trump just re-signed the reauthorized the Patriot Act as the Democrats pushed it through. Nobody's talking about that. And that shows you how there's not a single legislator anywhere that I see at any level that is talking about this odious Patriot Act, which we're still under, and no one is talking about, hey,

Starting point is 00:17:25 you know, we need to get rid of this, this is unconstitutional, it kills what few civil liberties we had remaining, no one does that. And they're so distracted and dumbed down, and they're just arguing over tweets, and Kardash, and throwns, and that's what it comes down to that's that's the debate uh... it's trump's personality a front and center now people just argue over that they don't look at the big things if you talk about the patriot act to them they don't there's nothing they could do because it kills their it true supported it and so did the democrats jok yeah they agree on something just nowhere in trouble. That's my opinion right if they come together on

Starting point is 00:18:08 something. I also think like not everybody but a lot of people they're just such deep down to the core nice people that they can't believe that these group of people like we're Hillary we like to transfer our belief. Like we look at Hillary, people want to look at it like it's their mother, their grandmother, their sister, their aunt, you know, so they transfer these feelings out to somebody they've never met before and they can't believe that somebody, that this kind of evil is allowed to walk around and exist all the time and it just blows their mind and like no matter what the evidence is, it's so much easier just to, it's like, it's so, it's like why stand-up in this,

Starting point is 00:19:02 I hope people understand what I'm saying, it's why movies are allowed to go a little farther than let's say a stand-up in this, I hope people understand what I'm saying, it's why movies are allowed to go a little far than let's say a stand-up comic because a movie paints the picture and you turn your brain off and you just follow along with what the director wants you see. Whereas a stand-up comic, every line must be digested and what he'd say. And as a conspiracy theorist, you have to do that, you have to digest everything and and, and why the, and th say, and thi, and thi, and the, and why, and why, and why, and why, and why, and why, and why, and why, thi, and why, thi, and why, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, tha, tha, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, thin, tha, tha, thin, tha,theorist you have to do that you have to digest everything and Really question people you want to root for all the time. I mean if we take a look at what happened with the Brett Kavanaugh hearings like that lady was CIA her father was like funded black ops operations like his the that. Her father was like funded black ops operations like his job was a the the book. She was working with, you with, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th, th, th, th, to, to to to to to digest, to digest, to to digest, to digest, to digest, to digest, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to digest, to digest, to digest, to digest, to digest, to digest, to digest, to digest, to digest, to digest, to digest, to digest, to digest, to digest, to digest, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to to to to to his job was to find money for black ops that were off the book she was working with you know she was part

Starting point is 00:19:50 of the CIA intern program at the at Stanford her that whole thing was a show so nobody actually looked at what Brett Kavanaugh was into which was the presidents above the law there are search searching your house without warrant no rights to privacy militarized police and let he co-authored or help draft the Patriot Act I mean those are things that people would have flipped out on but instead everybody like wanted to go off on this woman's hazy recollections of something that happened way back with zero witnesses except for her husband who she met a long time

Starting point is 00:20:31 though and a therapist who she met long after the whole thing. And it's just like people can't, I don't know man, it just maybe because we're mammals and we have to run in packs. We want to pick a pack. And people, most people still get their news from what I call the state control. I don't call it the mainstream media. State controlled media. The only difference between our media, mainstream media and tasks and provdared in the height of the Soviet Union, is that the Soviet citizens were smart and sophisticated enough to know that it was state-controlled meeting and they were being lied to. Most Americans don't appear to be smart enough to realize that. When you talk about Cavanaugh, that was a big

Starting point is 00:21:11 charade. I wrote an article about it a while back and I talked about how most people know Cavanaugh's background. He was the architect of the Vince Foster cover-up. He was, he was the one who said that, you know, even though there's a Secret Service memo out there, still there, again, not a theory, a Secret Service memo, that talks about finding Vince Foster's car, body in his car. That contradicts everything about the crime scene, we're told he was found on the ground in Fort Marcy Park. But this is the guy, and of course Donald Trump being the the the the the thuuuuuu. And, and of a a a thu. And, thu, thii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, not, thi, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not tho, not, not, not, not th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi is the guy and of course Donald Trump being the actor that he is and the WWE character during his campaign, one of the many great things he said was about Vince Foster goes, you know a lot of people think that was murder. He knows about all this stuff and then he goes and his second choice to the Supreme Court is the guy who led the cover up into the Vince Foster case. It's beyond surrealistic and the problem is most th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. thee. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. people when you when you talk at this level to them, they have no comprehension of what you're talking

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Starting point is 00:23:31 that will be the rock will be President Camacho. Yeah. I can see that happen for sure. Let me ask you something. Maybe my theory is wrong. I said in the last episode before. And you don't get it I'm wrong I'll admit it. Is it possible that the what's going on between Donald Trump and whatever group we want to say the Bush, the Bush Bush mob, the deep state, that there's actually some kind of like an organized crime vibe to it where it's like two organized crime groups are fighting over power and access and all that stuff where it's like yeah it's like they come together when they agree on something but you know there is a war over power and stuff like pulling out the the Paris Climate Accord

Starting point is 00:24:21 what's going on with China like i'm open-minded to like have i fall for the theater or and not that i ever think trump is a good guy but i think there is a war going on the two i could be wrong but i'd love to hear your the theories on that don't well there there that goes back to the sevens are the kind of a seventy the thirty sevens esterms the the the the the seven seven seven seven seven is is car car car car car car car car car car car car car car car car car is is is is is a car car car car car the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thea thea thea theater's thea theater's thea thea thea theater's thea thea thea thea the the the the the the the the the the the the the guy in him Carloglesby who wrote a book called the Yankee and Cowboy War. And he talked a lot about that, where he talked about kind of the Eastern establishment, which I, but I think, I really think the cowboy part of it doesn't have anywhere near the power the Yankee establishment has. And I think I'm sure there's, you know, there's a lot of infighting. I'm sure, you know, personally, maybe some of the conspirators, if you will,

Starting point is 00:25:05 don't like each other. But I think Trump, I mean, I think everything about him is orchestrated. And I'm sure there are people that maybe aren't in on the act. I mean, who knows how many, you know, this is a production, but, you know, we don't know how many people are necessarily in on it. We don't know who's writing the scripts, but you know everything about Donald Trump to believe that somebody I think he's 72, 73 years old, somebody that age could be as overweight as he is and allegedly be drinking 12 diet coax a day, living on fast food and be walking around and seemingly really healthy for his age, impossible for me to accept. I mean, he may have the secret technology Henry Kisner as. There's a 96-year-old obese guy. Now if you, and he's walking around and speaking and fine, you scour the earth and find any other 96-year-old obese person. It's

Starting point is 00:25:58 not going to happen. He's the only one. Okay. We're going to get into your book. What are you saying? that you thi there's something the the the the the the the the the the thiooenoloen. thi. their thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thozy. thozy- thi. thi. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thoe. I tho. I tho. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thin. I thin. I thin. I'm the. I'm the. I'm thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. th. into your book. What are you saying that you think that there's something out there that prolongs these guys even though weight-wise they shouldn't be around anymore that their health actually would dictate somebody would have died decades ago or years ago? Is that your theory or am I just picking up on something that maybe you're there? That's just an observation I made about henry kisner i don't know whether that explain it maybe he's just lucky and maybe one of the all-time top-level conspirators of my lifetime henry kentrys architect a disastrous foreign policy that's crippled the country

Starting point is 00:26:38 uh... you know terrible advisor to all the republican president war criminal by any definition, if there is such a thing, it would be a really fantastic coincidence. I'm just saying if you look, you know, most people, even over 70, are not significantly overweight, just the way it is. And for him to be as heavy, his, he is at 96. Again, if people can show me a bunch of examples of that i i just you on speculating that's all i do i don't know but it wouldn't surprise me

Starting point is 00:27:08 uh... if if people at his level are privy to uh... maybe uh... the kind of medical care or secret uh... technology that the the common refraf don't have i just think it's you know amazing that somebody could be as heavy as he is and be 96 years old but you know I could make maybe it's just an incredible quick coincidence quick real quick do you think that Kissinger what you know and this is just me kind of catching on something like he said do you think if he failed at what he did or did he succeed because it was so like basically disastrous for mankind but it was such a thing for like the power and the powerful and the wealthy like the way

Starting point is 00:27:54 just you know we Anthony Bordain said before when you visit certain countries and you see how poor and devastated the countries makes you want to like choke out Henry Kissinger. Like, was it a failure or was it, did he just succeed so well at draining the poor middle class around the world and wealth the rich? Well, I think it depends on your perspective. If it's a perspective of those, the 1% and the people, the elite that rule, then yeah, everything he was a smashing success and everything they've done, as Jim Garrison said a long time ago, why, there's no reason for them to change their policies. It's worked out really well for them.

Starting point is 00:28:38 So there's no reason, and I wrote, and I wrote about that one of my books is called survival the richest and uh... that it's examines the disparity of wealth and the rigged marketplace now the one percent rigs everything and how uh... you know basically eighty percent of americans and a higher percentage around the world how are struggling and living paycheck to pay check what one stat most people all know is that the bottom 50% of America right now makes less than $27,000 a year and is less than 1% of the collective wealth. So you have half of this country has nothing.

Starting point is 00:29:11 And I mean nothing. And that's not a first world country. And Henry Kistner is certainly one of the people that put those kinds of policies, but they're all responsible. I think they're all taking orders from the their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, thi, tho, thi, their, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, tho, is, tho, is tho, is tho, is thi, thi, is the..... the. thean, tho. tho. thean, thooo. tean, tean, thoo. thooo. Wea. thean, thean, tho. And, thean, i think they're all taking orders from above that but basically you know my new book one of the things like you know researching some of these figures uh... we have had reanery harrison who was the the president who we all kind of i guess we study history know that he served the shortest term he served thirty two days too d hathed to old in the pouring rain. But he left a couple quotes on the record and one of the quotes and I quoted very often is that you know here he's

Starting point is 00:29:48 68 years old and he said you know after a lifetime in politics I've come to realize that everything done in politics is to make the rich richer and the poor poor and I think that just speaks you know for that's all politics and practically everything that happens that's why the infrastructure doesn't get rebuilt or anything like that because that would benefit everyone everything that's done we know we need another tax cut for the wealthy you know we have to go over and chase this latest bogeyman over there in a foreign country ignore the fact that have the country as a so everything that's done i thin anyn any a cn any a little a little a little a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a the a the a the a the a the a the a the a the a the a the a the a the a the a the a the a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a c a taaa b a ta b a ta b a ta b a tr o' a tru n a trina b ba ba ba ba' a tria ba' a ta' a ta' a that's done i think is with is with what way in herrison had in mind and that is that that's an old

Starting point is 00:30:27 chestnut the rich get richer and the poor get poor and it's never been true or that it is today because there's been a massive not trickling down but a massive jet stream up of wealth into fewer and fewer hands and it And it shows no signs of stopping that despite, you know, Bernie Sanders and people like that their rhetoric, I would be surprised if anybody's allowed to do anything to stop because that seems to be part of the main part of the plan. Well, he is Donald Jeffries. His Twitter feed is at Don Jeffreys and he is author of the book Crimes and Cover-Up in American Politics 1776 to 1963. Why that time period, Don? Well, my first non-fiction book was called Hidden History, and that was, this is basically the prequel of that.

Starting point is 00:31:18 Hidden History started out in 1963 with the JFK assassination and went up through the, believe or not Trump doesn't even mention it because it was published in 2014. So at that point, he hadn't really hit the political stage. So it's up through the Obama years. So I cover everything in that time period and people, readers reminded me afterwards that, you know, it didn't start with JFK and of course it didn't. So I thought, well, you know, there's a whole other book th. And the book, the book, the book, th. And th. And, th. And, their, th. And, th. And, th. th. thi. thi, the, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thr-a, thrown, thr-a, thr-a, th. th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. th. th. th. th. th. thrown, thrown, thr. thrown, the, thr. t. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. the thrown. th so i decided to start it uh... you know that during the war for independence when the colonies broke away from england and uh... from there i wrote a lot on a lot on lincoln i think i have a different take on lincoln that than most historians have ever had and uh... all the way up and through up and thrown the fifties and right you know i'll out i i i i i i i i i'll i'll i'll the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to go go to go the the the the the to to to the the to go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go go to go to go to go to go to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the toke toke o' the toke to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the toke the the the the the the much close to that. But there's a time period and you know, the past is prologue, as Shakespeare told us, and most people, most Americans are historically illiterate, unfortunate.

Starting point is 00:32:13 They don't know their history at all. So for someone like me who's writing about hidden history, sometimes it's hard because a lot of young people especially don't even know the fake history. So first you have to explain to them what, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their, their their their their their their their their their.e.e.e.e.e. And, their.0. And, their, their, is, is, is, their the fake history. So first you have to explain to them what the official narrative is and then just show them why it's a lie. It's harder to do if they don't know the official narrative. But especially these older things like Lincoln is such a sacred cow. He's the secular saint of our civilization. So I tried to show what his real record was, which was, you know, the first imperial president, a tyranton.... their, if ever.. their, if if their, ife, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is. And, is. And, is. And, is. And, is. And, is. And, is. And, is. And, is. And, is. And, is. Ande. Ande. Ande. Ande. Ande. Ande. Ande. Ande. And. And. And. And. And. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the their. the the their. the imperial president, a tyrant if ever there was one. He threw thousands of people in the jail for opposing his policies. He shut down hundreds of newspapers, suspended the rid of habeas corpus, invented the

Starting point is 00:32:53 concept of total warning. And these things are connected. When you see things like the horrors of Guantanamo Bay, and things like that, and we saw those pictures, they all spring from what was invented by the Northern generals during that, to scorched earth policy and the total war concept when it was basically. Oh my God. That's it. That's it.

Starting point is 00:33:18 It's like, people can't come to grips when we start saying today and not that the Republicans or any moral, you know, super citizens or anything like that, but we like, you know, I mean when we tell you that the DNC has engaged in some very dark arts, ugly war crimes for decades, people can't take it because they're the liberal party and liberals they're supposed to love everybody. And like when we go back and like from what you're telling me, it's like the whole thing about the North was supposed to be this righteous group of people who were like fighting the free slaves.

Starting point is 00:34:04 If we go even deeper, you know, Abraham Lincoln was fighting to, you know, end the reserve even though there's been rumors that he's a Rothschild and stuff like that. Like what is going on? Like where do we start with this story? Well, I think that, you know, the Civil War, And I called the Civil War for convenience sake, but it wasn't. It was really the war between the states or the war of northern aggression, really. And basically, unfortunately, what happened was, and I'd also talk about how everyone ignores the founding fathers today. We have such a weird situation because there's not a leader that I know of Ron Paul came close in many ways, but that I know of any kind of political representative in modern times

Starting point is 00:34:49 that actually supports the Constitution, the separation of powers, as it was intended to be written. And what happened is when Lincoln came onto the scene, he was the 16th president. The 15 presidents performed with the exception of Polk, who invaded Mexico, and that was one of the first mistakes we made and we still see that today with the groups like laraza who uh... you know despite the fact that i i don't like the fact that i'm a the fact that i don't like a lot of a campaign to give a lot of a caultax a thea too theyl cune a too r r r r r r r r matter of fact, it's pretty much unsustainable and it's become third world, so just gips back to them.

Starting point is 00:35:27 We spooked from in the first place anyhow. But, so that's, when Polk did that, that was the first step outside the constitutional balance. All the other 14 presidents had not thought of anything like that. And when Lincoln came, he took Polk, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, theirsemoes, theirsew, their Polk, you know, to a whole new levels. Lincoln was the first imperial president and even an establishment historian say that there's no evidence that Lincoln thought there were any bounds to his powers. He believed he was the commander-in-chief so he could do what he wanted. He did. He tried to arrest the Chief Justice's Supreme Court. When the Chief Justice ruled that... suspension of the writ of habeas corpus was unconstitutional which of course it was

Starting point is 00:36:08 and we still don't know how many thousands of people were put in makeshift prisons during the civil war we have no idea and ironically and again most people on other history one of the people he put in jail was a guy named frank ki howard he was the grandson of frances scott kie wrote the star spangled banner and irony of ironies he put him in he was incarcerated in fort mcenary the very fort where the flag was flying over when his grandfather wrote that and here you know lincoln of the great hero had in prison for nothing more than

Starting point is 00:36:40 objecting to lincoln's tyranny and they know the trampling of civil liberties. He shut down hundreds of newspapers. And again, the concept of total war can't be overlooked because people like Sherman and Sherman was just one of the most vicious people. I just studying him, it's just amazing. Makes your blood run cold to know that this guy is considered an American hero. But when he did his fame, when he went on his, theto the sea and he went to the south, he was fighting virtually all the men that were left were in the field. They were old people, you know, they were handicapped,

Starting point is 00:37:14 really old men and women and children. And what they did is, first of all, they raped, and they literally raped. They raped so many slave women especially. They didn't frame them. They raped a lot of them though on the way. And again, this is, I have in the book, all that you got to go to Southern sources because the history is written by the victors and they're not going to, you know, they're not going to admit any of this was the total war concept. They decided to destroy property. They burned down homes, they burned crops, they then they would salt or oil the field so that they couldn't grow food ever again. There, this is, so they starved these people out. And when people, it's it's amazing to sit there and even to realize that these are your heroes and what they did and and I've published the letter in the book for again this is not a theory

Starting point is 00:38:10 this is a letter the Ken Burns types left out of his uh... you know the civil war a documentary not gonna show this the guy the guy wrote his a lieutenant Thomas Myers and he described in detail. And he was complaining about it. He was complaining that the big shots, including Sherman, who was the top mobster at the top, they were overseeing the theft of personal property of all these people when they were in going through the south, they were going at all, especially the mansions, the people that had money, and they were taking their jewelry, all their silver, anything, and, and their, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, and, and, and, the, the, the, and, the, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the and they were taking their jewelry all their you know silverware anything that was uh... valuable money there are common fees

Starting point is 00:38:48 and uh... Sherman was getting a cut of everything this guy was objecting to the fact that sherman in the big shots were getting a cut of all their their theft and this is these these the people that are heroes so but you know they're considered they're considered they're considered they're considered they're considered they're considered the the the the the the the people the people the people the people the people the people people people people the people people the people people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people people the people the people the people the people people the people people people the people people people people people people people the people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people the people theto be, they were against slavery, which they were not against slavery. Sherman owns slaves, lots of these guys did. And if you read the quotes on the record from Lincoln, Lincoln sounds like a Grand

Starting point is 00:39:12 Wizard of the KKK, in many of his statements. So these were not good guys. They were fighting for power. And unfortunately, after the Civil War, the American Revolution was dead because the entire reason for the war for independence in 1776 was to break away to secede from English rule. That was a secession if ever there was one. So in the Southern States, in 1860, decided they wanted to secede from the Union. If they should have had, we should, of all people, if the people

Starting point is 00:39:46 that ran the United States government should have realized, okay, as Thomas Jefferson said, you know, any time you get tired any people that have any, that get tired of their form of government, have every reason to alter or abolish it. Well, Abraham Lincoln didn't think so. And he cracked down right from the start. There was no flexibility thethe part, We Must Save the Union and he would go on to invoke God's name in it, which was ridiculous. All the evidence shows he was an atheist, but he invoked God's name, later blamed him for the war. Didn't even mention slavery for the first year of the war. The word slavery doesn't even appear in his first address to Congress. But then he he the the the the the the word the word the word the word the word the word the word the word the word the word the word the thiiia thia thiolioliolioli thi thioli. thioli. thi. thi. thioli. thi woic was thioliolioli. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to invoke is is. to invoke is. to invoke is. to to invoke is is. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thin is the. the. theananananananananananeane. theananananeaneanananeanananananeanananananed is toe. He was was was to Congress. But then he realized it might be a good thing, politically speaking, it might be good image to say we're fighting

Starting point is 00:40:29 for slavery. And they certainly were not. Now, so once they did that, they trampled on the two great concepts of the of our war for independence, one, the consent of the government, that people everywhere have a right to consent to those who government. Well after the consent of the government, the consent of the government. People everywhere have a right to consent to those who government. Well, after the war, Lincoln and the victors showed that no, you don't don't. You don't have a right, in fact, we're going to kill 800,000 of Americans in an effort to show you you don't have that. So the consent of the government is gone. And the other one is the separation separation separation separation separation is the separation is the separation separation is the separation is the separation separation is the separation separation is the separation separation is the separation separation separation is a separation, we. the separation is a separation, we. the separation, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we are, we are, we are, is the separation, is a separation, is a separation, the separation, is the the the, is a separation of, is a separation of, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the the, the, is, is the the the, is the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I, the th. I, the the the, the, the the, the thean, the thean, thean, thean, thean, the threat.e.e.e.e.e.e.e. the the the the the the separation of powers. We had a separation of powers and the no taxation without representation.

Starting point is 00:41:06 Anybody that can look at our representatives and think that we have any kind of representation. The banker bailout of 2008 featured every poll showing like 98% of the people against it, but every one of our political leaders was for it and it got done. That's the the epitome of taxation without representation. Oh I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. 100%. So let me ask you something. So I mean as we look back at our leaders, we often find that they are not who we thought they were or these like icons. You know, right now, Gandhi's being distanced from people in India, they didn't represent their actual needs,

Starting point is 00:41:49 that he was more of controlled opposition, that, you know, he could have ended British occupation, but he didn't. We got Mother Teresa being investigated for child sex trafficking. And now you're telling me that like Abraham Lincoln is in this group. I mean, my question is, do good people ever try to rise to power? Or do they just, really just want to help on a local level and that only power hungry people or people who are willing to sell out and be corrupted or and play a character

Starting point is 00:42:34 end up getting, I mean, because what we're seeing with the DNC right now and I say it all the time is like, you know, liberals don't run for office. Real liberals don't run for federal office. Maybe on a local level so they could do stuff locally, but on a national level, we don't really see like old-fashioned liberals running for office. I mean, like, can we count on anybody? I mean, are the good guys in Washington see, the ones we don't know about, and that's why we don't know about them? because they're actually there because they care care they care they care they care they care they care they care they care they care they care they care they care they care they care they care they care they care they they they're they're they're they're they're they're their their their their their their their their local local local their their local level level level level level level level level level level level level level level level level level level level level level level they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they their their local local local local local level to to to to to to to to to to to to to their local local local level their local level their local level their guys in Washington C, the ones we don't know about? And that's why we don't know about them?

Starting point is 00:43:07 Because they're actually there because they care and they won't play the game? Or is the whole thing just Foo Bar? Well, and not anymore. I don't really know very many good people in Washington, D.C. But there certainly have been good people i i write a lot in the new book about uh... thomas jeverson i love tombs jeverson i think he's still more heroic than ever the greatest states when we ever had and uh... most of the founding fathers with the exception of Alexander hamlin who of course is the only one that are did our depraved culture loves and they love him. But they hate Jefferson because Jefferson opposed the bank and

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Starting point is 00:46:35 million of the tyranny thatoday is nothing like king george's terms that was a walk in the park so they ignore that and on all kind of a smaller level with it with marty their king the civil rights mood what he was preaching nonviolence and get togetherness and uh... you know i i i dot content of your character and all that that conflict with everything today nobody believes that so they kind of i'd the a you know, because the authoritarian liberals that are out there, okay, he's a black leader, so they're not really going to bad mouth him, but they don't really pay attention anything he said because everything he says conflicts with any kind of separatist movement or any the ideas that we need special favors or special rules.

Starting point is 00:47:25 I mean, it should, I have a very simple, you know, ideal for all of that. And that is that, you know, laws, rules, standards of conduct, they should apply to everyone. That means all racial groups, all religions, all financial levels, and we know obviously the law and rules and standards of context have never applied to the very wealthy but if we just applied every everything consistently i think these problems will be gone but we can't do that we've never done that and america and that's part of the problem and what martin luther king with he was basically saying that

Starting point is 00:48:00 he was appealing for everybody to come together and that's not a message that you're hearing for anybody today. Who out there is preaching togetherness? I mean everything is divisiveness. For sure. I agree with that. That's, I honestly believe that's a little bit of why this show gets taken down because we've been pushing that.

Starting point is 00:48:21 It's not groups. People get very angry about that. My question is like you know we keep hearing about the great awakening coming up and all that stuff and everybody's kind of had a you know you know some people like it's happening and then you know it's like I'll have so many guests on and you know they all cover the same thing. But when it comes to what's going on in Hollywood in terms of the arrest and Jeffrey Epstein and Hillary and all these stuff, and it's just like, is the theater so advanced that they

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Starting point is 00:49:34 trafficking which is almost the currency of the elite and then we have a John of God that's also been arrested is this I mean is this beyond the the theater that we even understand? We could get into, we could get into like Obama who he really was and what was going out of him. But like this seems like something so beyond that that I'm open, I'm open-minded. I understand that Trump was in the WWE and all that stuff but like I mean are we seen a the theater that I was in the WW and all that stuff but like I mean are we seen a theater that I mean there's no way human beings could pull us off like is like is this the first AI theater that we're going through a

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Starting point is 00:51:12 this all my life or most of my life, I don't really know the ultimate why. I don't know why. Because I can't figure it out because it seems to me what is the ultimate end game here. The people that run this country in this world have all the power. They have almost all the wealth and you have to leave enough for the slaves to you know to be able to exploit them. You know you don't want them to die. You have to have somebody there to to do the work that you don't want to do and do all the and that so I don't to be to be to of it is because they combine that with a, this curious, especially in America, maybe they don't have it around the world, but if you, if you like turn on our state-controlled media,

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Starting point is 00:53:45 Why? Why? I just feel like maybe it's naive and maybe I just don't want to just be like, yeah, we're all fucked, you know? Maybe I just think that. You don't think Americans would like protest like in Hong Kong? You don't think there's nothing that would second amendment, nothing I mean like dude there's literally rights going all over the world. Maybe the second amendment maybe maybe. I mean like yeah it's just kind of crazy it's just like

Starting point is 00:54:14 why are all these false flags happening why 9-11 golf a Tonkin why do they need our like us to agree to it? It's just like it just it's just such a weird. Well you know maybe maybe it's something you know it's something we don't understand. Maybe it's like the you know part of the vampire legend was that you know you have to invite the vampire into your house before he comes out. I mean that kind of weird thing maybe they have absurd rules. I don't but the false the false the false the false. The false. The false. The false. The false. The false. The false. The false. The false. The false. the false. the false. the false. the false. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I. I. th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th weird thing. I mean, maybe they have absurd rules. I don't know, but the false flags go way back. In my new book I talk about the history of false flags in American, they go back to 1898,

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Starting point is 00:56:46 fland who was the leader the american first committee in new york who'd frankon roseville and i i published in there he was he was sending letters as president the united states sending letters to people in the journalism community urging them not to hire john tee flinty flint he rinked he destroyed his career he really destroyed his he-he d he destroyed he destroyed he destroyed he destroyed he destroyed he destroyed he destroyed he destroyed he destroyed he destroyed he destroyed he destroyed he destroyed he he r r red doing something like that. They'd be all over that. That never happened though. It was child's plagued, but this is FDR, the great liberal hero. But, so interesting, dude. Yeah, once they did that, so you had that, and from that, it was obviously, all historians,

Starting point is 00:57:17 everyone acknowledges, the golfing, all of it. that it was a completely made up false flag and most people are historical that you realize the kind of connections you find in these instances most people all know that the the guy in charge the admiral in charge of the fleet of the Gulf of Tonkin was Admiral Morrison father of the doors Jim Morrison. Yep and then we have the whole Laurel Canyon studio and the influence on all of them. I love Dave McGowan. I use his research a lot. One wonderful, great writer. It's unbelievable. Now let me ask you, in your opinion,

Starting point is 00:57:56 is the internet helped get any information out? Has it awoken anybody? Even if Trump isn't a part of this whole thing like if nothing happens By the time Trump gets the year if he gets reelected and gets to your fight It looks like he's gonna get reelected if nothing happens by that is there any a bit of like? Okay, man, this is I mean because I realized two years into Obama that and you probably knew Obama was B.S from the start, but you know I was still trying to you know okay we got change coming right and two years in I realized that was a giant lie that was a giant lie that was a giant Oh, he looked different. That's their version of change

Starting point is 00:58:40 change. Change skin colors. There were no. Yeah, yeah. He was like a coconut, dark on the outside, white, on the inside. But as the internet opened, I feel like people are way more, they, it's a, you know, my, we've had a guess on before, said the internet allowed us to get the knowledge of the elites, when maybe they didn't want that out. Do you see, I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I th. I th. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, you th. th. th. th. that, you that, you that, you that, you that, you that, you know, you know, you, you know, you know, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you... that, you. that, you. that, you. that, you. that, you. that. that. that. that. that. that. that, you. that. that. that, you. that. that, you. that. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's, you know, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, you know, that's, that's, you know, that's. that's, you're, you're. that's. the the the the that's. the knowledge of the elites when maybe they didn't want that out. Do you see it? I mean, as a man who started obviously, you know, many decades ago in this business and trying to get your work out and I couldn't imagine what the resistance was just trying to get books out to say this. Well, without the internet, I don't know that I would have ever been published.

Starting point is 00:59:24 Because back then, I've been writing all my life, but before the internet came into being in the late 90s, I got nothing about rejection slips. Because first of all, and this is again how I talked about in survival of the riches, the cost is prohibitive if you're just an average person. Because if it costs money, you need to send out, I mean, digitally. Once the internet came in, you can bombard publishers and agents with emails, doesn't cost anything. But if you're doing it in the old days, you're sending, include a self-dose stamp envelope, if you want to get your manuscript back.

Starting point is 00:59:57 And that gets to be tedious because you get a lot of form letters. They don't, most of the time they don don't read your stuff. So it becomes cost prohibitive. It becomes frustrating. And but the internet made it so much easier. So as a writer, the internet has been invaluable for me. And not to mention the technology. Because I can't imagine when I first started writing, you know, on typewriter or even long hand.

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Starting point is 01:01:08 And they decided to use this social media giant to do it. But I think it's been a godsendousanders. I mean, I think it's been a Goddsen. the 9-11 tr Back then, you did have my hero Mark Lane, Harold Weisburg, people like that, that wrote books and they were hard, most of them had hard time getting a major publisher to publish. A lot of them got published in England and France that were more receptive to that than the American media was even then. But you don't have that with things like 9-11 or

Starting point is 01:01:45 certainly something like Sandy Hook or any of these kind of more modern incidents. People don't get books published about that. That just doesn't have it. I can throw things about it in my books, luckily because I have before them so I can write about them, but I think we need the internet is so valuable. And I'm part of a campaign and it's, I don't thiii thi thi thi thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, like thi, thi, thi, like thi, like thi, like thi, like something like something like something like something like something like thi, like something like thi, like, like thi, like, like thi, like thi, like thi, like thi, like thi, like thi, like thi, like thi, like thi, like thi, like thi, like thi, like thi, like thi, like thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, like, thi, thi, like, like, like, thi, thi, like, thi, like, thi, like, like, like, like, like, thi, like, like, think we need the internet is so valuable, and I'm part of a campaign and it's, I don't don't really know what it is yet. It's called Stop Bit Burning and that's being run by my friend Dustin Nemus, one of my many cyber friends and we're trying to get a lot of people, Sean from Sgt. Report he has a real big podcast that's on, but these are mostly right-winged people. I'm a populist. I'm know I'm a classical liberal but I believe in free

Starting point is 01:02:25 speech so I'm joining that just only because I believe in free speech and I think it's very dangerous what happened Alex Jones and mostly conservative people but when you start throwing people on social men they destroy that guy's empire me had millions and millions of people and watching him and when you deplatform somebody it's that censorship and I think it's wrong and I think that without all these great websites, conspiracy forums and podcasts, I mean, look at, look at podcasts like yours. I do a weekly radio show online. There's so many shows like that, none of them would be possible.

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Starting point is 01:03:49 But as for 9-11, there is nothing. There's another, when you turn on those commemorative specials every year, it's going to be the same ones. The survivors in the building and the heroic firefighters, and the same, and the same, and the same, the same, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is thi...s, is thi.a, is thi. And, is, is their, is, is, is, is, their, their, their, their, their, they.e.e.s.e.e.s.0.0.0.0.0.00s.00s, their, their, their, their, their, the same picture of the people walking around with dust and all the same kind of videos, remembrances, tragedies, nothing about questioning the official story, not one. And that's the kind of media we have. So if we lose the internet or if we allow the internet to become part of the FCC where they can control it, then you're going to have, you're not going to have, we're going to go away. We're not going to be online either. Do you think that is what, it seems like what Google's trying to do. Google, excuse me, YouTube is trying to use narratives like, oh, you're selling pharmaceuticals without

Starting point is 01:04:41 prescription. Well, that's not true. I'm selling everything that everybody else is selling. And everybody's, and they took me down. I mean, like, where does this all go? Like, okay, let me ask you something. I do think YouTube's try and become a network, try to get controlled by the FCC so they can pull all these things. Why is Google pulling down ads on content that I hear ran on FCC regulated radio?

Starting point is 01:05:14 Yeah, well just, I mean, just, you look at powerful, like Google, YouTube, Facebook, again, they're run by the richest people in the world now. These are ultimate one-percenters. They want control. Nobody in our power in power in this country or the world wants average people to be able, they may say they do, but they don't. They don't want you to be able to express your real opinion because if you disagree with them, and let's face it, you're going to, if you're going to, if a a a a a, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to, to, to, to, to, to, their, to, their, their, their, tho, thii, thi, their, thi, thi, thi, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, their, and, and, their, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, their, and, their, and, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, t t t t t t t t t together, somea.e.e.a.a.a.a.a.a.a. t t t t t t t face it, you're going to disagree with them. Why are you going to, if you're going to Amazon or, you know, Washington Post now with Jeff Bezo, you know, you're going to, the so-called richest guy in the world, the way he exploits his warehouse workers and things like that, you're going to mention that if you have any integrity or principles, but obviously this guythey want control and the problem is they kind of allow the monster to be created because once they

Starting point is 01:06:10 open this internet up and it's going to be hard for them to completely clamp down. There's a whole lot of people even outside the conspiracy world that are used to this and you know if you so I think they've been very selective. I think they, they went after Alex Jones because he was for good or bad, and you know, talk about W. W. Certainly had a big aspect of that to him too as an entertainer, but he was the biggest name in the conspiracy world. And I think they went after him for that reason to show, okay, look down this guy. I know we can take you to see it seems interesting to me though because like every day I see a new conspiracy podcast and I love it I love it I try to get as many people on this show as I can that have a shows so that people can find their shows because to me it's gonna be really hard to wipe

Starting point is 01:07:04 everybody out and still maintain what they're doing like to me it's going to be really hard to wipe everybody out and still maintain what they're doing. Like YouTube has changed, like one way they try to combat it is changing the algorithm that gets you to find these videos. Well, they lost $80 billion in doing that. Well, then the question is, are they a business? And because I don't know any business that. Well then the question is are they a business? Because I don't know any business that loses 80 billion dollars like let's keep doing what we're doing.

Starting point is 01:07:32 You know what's a nerd? Well there's a I think I think you can say that I mean I mean I when you talk about capitalism everybody ta told you're not. It's not always I mean of course they're making tons of money, but as I talked about survival of the riches, I think of the six major banks that were bailed out in 2008, the eight major banks. Six of them had more, gave out, after they were bailed out, gave out more bonuses than they earned in profits that year. Now how is that any kind of viable business practice? And we, I see it over and over again where you'll have companies that are failing, look at the gold umbrellas and the golden

Starting point is 01:08:11 parachutes they give somebody like a Carly Fiorina who ran, who ran Hulet Packard into the ground. They gave her 40 million dollars to go away. Because she was so awful at what she did and then she somehow felt entitled to run for president after failing miserably as a CEO. Oh yeah. Ha ha ha. I'm just, that's one person, but there's tons of examples out there like that. So what they do doesn't make sense.

Starting point is 01:08:38 Commercially, I also talk in the book where there have been studies that show that you see all these celebrity endorsements for products. They've now tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thate thatea- tho- tho-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a tho th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho tho tho tho tho tho tho-s, tho-s, tho-s, tho'-s, tho'-s. tho'-s. tho'-s. tho'-s. thoanananananananananananananananananed-s, that been studies that show, and you see all these celebrity endorsements for products. They've now done polls and studies that show not only do celebrity endorsements not help sell a product, in most cases, they defeat the purpose and people are less likely to buy the product of a sluice, but they still continue to do that. I mean, in my industry, I mean, people like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are given, you know, millions of dollars in advances. You have to sell millions of books to make that advance. They're not going to come close to selling that. Never, dude. They were talking about that. That advancement that Barack Obama got, they will never recoup that money. Ever. So I want to go real quick. I want to go down a couple. I'm

Starting point is 01:09:26 like throughout some quote-unquote conspiracies, Don, if you can give us your quick take on what you think they are. Again, his book is crimes and cover-ups in American politics. 1776, the 8, 1963, the history they didn't teach you in school. Um, 9-11. 9-11. What's your thought? Well? I? Well? Well? Well? Well? Well? Well? Well? Well? Well? Well? Well? Well? Well? Well, th? Well, th? Well, their th? Well, th? I th? I th? I th? I th? I th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th th, th, th th tho out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, their their their their their the history they didn't teach you in school. 9-11. What's your thoughts? Well, I think 9-11 is, it's the, what to the millennials, to my children, it's what the JFK assassination was to baby boomers. It was one of the most important events in human history, and I think that anyone, I mean, it took me about, you know, watching it that day, watching, the TV, the TV, the TV, the TV, the TV, the TV, thi, thi, thi, thi, tap, thi, thi, too, too, took, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, 11, 11, took, thi, thi, thi, 11, 11, thi, 11, 11, thi, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, thi, thi, thi, I think that anyone, I mean it took me about you know watching it that day, watching the TV coverage, it took me about you know 10 minutes to realize, to realize this was an absurd narrative and when you see the buildings come down like that and it free fall in their own

Starting point is 01:10:18 footprint. I mean it's not not to mention what I call the calling cards and when you had the magic passport that appeared in their you're told that everything was obliterated steel everything grounded to find dust and yet somehow one of the uh... alleged hijackers passports floated down on top of one of those pile unbelievably talented yeah yeah i mean that's and that's kind of like the magic bullet uh... you know it took me so long invests a the j j was smart enough to realize, you know, wait a minute. You know, if you, if you're familiar with that, the magic bullet supposedly caused seven wounds in JFK and Governor Connolly, and came out looking like a almost pristine condition. So it took me a long time to realize, wait a minute. These are sophisticated conspirators. these are sophisticated conspirators why would they have planted a bullet that looked like it hadn't struck

Starting point is 01:11:05 anything it's calling card these are calling cards the passport was another one all they want you to know yes they want you to know they're advertising it all all it's a game play and they it's it's so because they know no matter how obvious they said i think i think they could turn to the screen and say on air, yeah, this is a false flag. It's a conspiracy and wink, and most of the people still would believe it. It's a game. You're right, Don, you're right, man.

Starting point is 01:11:31 You're completely right. You hear Oly Demogard says that all the time. They do things with like, pictures of victims with their shoes off, these are all signs of times that they happen. You know in the Vegas shooting, the floors that they say happen, and then you have video of like the window that supposedly the shots fired, you hear shots firing, there's no gunfire happening. What's your thoughts on Vegas? Yeah, well I think, Vegas again, I look at, I may write a book one of these days called

Starting point is 01:12:07 hoaxes where I go back to all these things, starting with Gabby Giffords, you know, the representative was supposedly shot at a safe way parking lot, and obviously through Sandy Hook and Boston bombing and things like that, but Vegas, yeah, it was some of the many earmars. I found some of the early pictures, the bodies laying like like in a kind the ha the ha the ha the ha, the ha, the the the the ha, their their their their their their, their, their, their, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. thi, thi, th. thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the. I, theeea.a. I, theea. I, thea. I, thea. I was, thea. I was, thea. I, the. I, the many earmarks. I found some of the early pictures of the bodies laying like in kind of that open space out there. And they had back then, there were still not quite the censorship you have now on YouTube. And you'd get these great videos. Were these people, and maybe in their parents' basements? I don't know, but they do, they do the investigative reporting that so-called professional journalists won't do. They're actually asking questions. And they were analyzing the video on the way and it didn't look right at all.

Starting point is 01:12:49 The bodies did not look right at all. And yeah, the whole narrative with the guy, I mean, I haven't looked into it that much, but it's in all these cases, you come to one or two conclusions. Either it's a complete lie and it's just all actors, uh... there was more to it and they're they're playing it down but and who you know who knows you ask why that either do it why would they certainly don't mind killing people so why would they pretend to kill people but this is again psychologically in my book on bullying i i talk about how uh... one of the most troubling aspects

Starting point is 01:13:20 it's been going on our schools for a long time now are these events, these staged events, and I'm not talking about you know theories. You can look it up. They, what they do is they go to these school a lot of times with participation of police and military and they have they have a fake shooter. They have someone playing a shooter. They almost never tell the students, so they're the tear-tha-a. And their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. They. They. They's their. They's their. They's their. They's their. They's their. They's their. they're their. their. their. their. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. They's, their. They's, their. their. their. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, theirell the students so they terrorize the students and a lot of times they don't tell the teachers so they tell a lot of times they'll have a a typical political correct script so it'll be a demented home schooler that's mad or a gun rights activist that's going into the schools these things happen and guess what they hire crisis they're all the stuff that people accuse in these other incidents. It happens. So it's a very small logical leap of faith to say it would happen to those other instances.

Starting point is 01:14:13 And the question remains, why are they doing this? What does that have to do with education? But it's going on? It's happening, and no one but me apparently is even writing about it. And there's so many elements to everything. That's why you talked about writing. I never run out of things to write about because there's so much going on. And I feel like I'm trying to share this with people who may not know it, but it's, and again, the big question, overriding is why.

Starting point is 01:14:44 Why are they doing it? Why do they do it? Why do they play these games? Why, you know, maybe faking things? Why, why crisis actors? You know, why these kinds of things? Why not just, I mean, they certainly don't have any pretenses about killing people, but this goes back to Operation Northwoods under JFK, which JFK, which is, the th and one one one one one one one one one, the to, to, th is, the th is, th is, th and, they, they, th, th, th, th, they, th, they, th, th, they, thi, they, tho, thi, tho, they, they, they, they, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, why, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, is.....a, is.a, is.a, is a.a, is a.a, is a.A, is a.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A.A. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they, they. th. they's, why, the. the. this goes back to Operation Northwoods under JFK, which JFK, one of the many things JFK did that no other president would have done. He vetoed it.

Starting point is 01:15:08 He said, this is mad. And this is what, this is our CIA and the Joint Chief of Staff in the early 1960s. They wanted to fake plane crashes and all know that happened. Yep. Yep. Now do you feel that, and I got two more question we'll wrap it up, do you feel that Project Northwood gets put out as a calling card that we find out about it so that they can mess with us? Well, I think, I think all of that, I think yeah, the fact that it's there, first of all, the people that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, that's, that's, that's, I that the people that are asleep they're not going to care about operation northwood and if you tell them they're just kind of shrug and turn back on the cardashions or something they don't care

Starting point is 01:15:53 and it's it doesn't matter to them and the people i think all this is done for entertainment they're entertaining us the people that are awake and i i i guess that's the way they get off i don't understand it but certainly when you try to show people but i've tried to say people you know back when the the gulf war the ridiculous ridiculous when they were trying to uh... demon i sat sat sat i was saying who was the cia operative all his

Starting point is 01:16:19 life and you know he be groomed a grumed the b i they suddenly decided to make him the bookey man and they would they wanted you to send your first born to war over this artificial oligarchy of Kuwait nine percent americans would have not been able to identify on a map or it even heard of the week before they're ready to go to war to kill that madman you know when when they had the the the uh... the ambassador's daughter tearfully crying before congress about the babies and incubators and then if they proved it was her daughter was completely fake contrived but it was the same kind of stuff they used babies instead of uh... banning them as they might have said in world war one

Starting point is 01:16:58 the dirty sneaky rotten japs in world war two it's whoever they're trying to be and they use the same tired propaganda and you you still hear it now with some people on the left who again had the trumped arrangement syndrome they'll talk about the rapes of the curds and we only have to go to war to protect it you don't even you can't even define what the curds are yeah little of which you're ready to go to war with that it's ridiculous but it's the same propaganda it's used over and over again they don't even have to look what happened when trump decided to kill what's the guy bogdadi who they've really killed like twelve times before oh yeah killing ISIS later and and they used literally they handed him the same script that Obama

Starting point is 01:17:43 used for bin Laden down to the fake handed him the same script that Obama used for bin Laden, down to the fake photograph in the White House and the burial at sea. I mean, why do you still don't get it? Don, final question because I have to go to the bathroom incredibly bad. I mean for the last five, I'm the last 30 minutes, I'm like this interview so good I can't cut it. Who is running the world Don? Who runs the world if you had the gas and another quick thing Don would you ever come back and do a whole episode on hoaxes with us?

Starting point is 01:18:14 Sure absolutely. I would love to have that. I would love to have that we'll set something up in December if we go. Who runs the world? Don? You know. we know that the average person has no say in what goes on. We know that somewhere, and in my new book, I have all the people in history that talk about powers behind the scenes. And these are people at the top all the way down to Bill Clinton. They all talk about people behind the scenes. And he was going to be that. talk about people behind the scenes and he uh... So is it is it the Illuminati? I mean that's I think that's probably something like that group that probably most makes sense but I mean you know there when you have something like this

Starting point is 01:18:56 going on you're going to have people suspects you're some people are going to say it's the Jews it's the Freemasons it's the Vatican,. The Illuminati. There's just Satan himself, the Satanist. Someone, I think there's no question because again, it goes back to what Forrestall told McCarthy. If it was just the happenstance to the law of averages, the dark side wouldn't win all the time. The good guys would actually win. The good guys never win. At least not as far as the vast majority of us, you know, they may tell you the good guys win, but they're always winning.

Starting point is 01:19:33 The people at the top are always winning. So everything that happens is done for them. So the people that are above them, the forces, and again that's why you get things like the reptilians, the shapeshifthifthifts, th., thian, thian, thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their thi, their thi, thi, their their, they're their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the.ease, their thease, thease, thease, thease, their their thease, their, their, their, their, their, the forces, and again that's why you get things like the reptilians, the shapeshifters, even something like that. That's why the movie they live is still so popular. They came out in 1988 I think it was, but that's because that people understand that there's something, I think that's why there's the popularity still with aliens, you know, where people, people understand that there's something beyond. W. We can't that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. It the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. I. I their their. I their. I. I their. I'm their. I'm their. their. their. their. the movie. the movie. the movie. the movie. the movie. the movie. the movie. the movie. the movie. the movie. the movie. the movie. the movie. the movie. the movie. T. their. It's, it's their. It's their. It's their. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's. I. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. I. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's something beyond when we can comprehend that's running things. So isn't the Illuminati? It's some, there's some force though. I think that it can safely be said that whoever's running things right now in America, it's not Donald Trump.

Starting point is 01:20:17 It's not Nancy Pelosi. It's not any politician. They're taking their orders from somebody. Now who that is, I don't know, but whoever it is, is not working in the interest of the vast majority of the people. Final question. Final question. What does Don think was going on with Epstein? What happened? Is he dead? Did he kill?

Starting point is 01:20:40 theyme? Do you think he's dead? Part of me doesn't even think he... There's as much chance he's still alive as he is dead which don don what is your thought don Jeffries yeah I agree with you I mean I think that uh... Epstein seems like it was a pretty high level procure of children for all these powerful people that want to have sex with children. And I would say that the odds are that he was escorted off stage as I think some of these people are. And they're just kind of escorted backstage and they're said to have died, but as you said, other than William Barr, who recently were told is going to lead the cleaning,

Starting point is 01:21:21 the draining of the swanning of the swan this is the guy that goes back to a cover up of ruby ridge is a deep state insider of decades uh... tenure other than way and bar who's assured us now that uh... that that ebpsh did kill himself i don't think anybody believes that so the official story is absurd now whether he was murdered or a skier i he k i tbushed i'd i'd i'd i'd was at his level he probably was allowed to be escorted off stage You think it gets higher than his level? Oh, yeah, there's somebody who doesn't? I mean like the He's under there's pretty much the luminati and then him. Well, it could be Pindar then the the 13 families, then the committee of 13 and then you have these groups like the mega group and all these groups. Well, I, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, I thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th families, then the committee of 13, and then you have these groups like the mega group and all these groups, I think at the highest level it's, I mean like dark art, Saturn people, Johnny? Epstein was just run by intelligence, right? I mean, I mean, like we're talking the

Starting point is 01:22:16 Saad and stuff like that. What do you think, uh, Don, okay, go on, sorry, Donco go. No, and I was saying even groups like the Rothschilds, who, when I was writing Survival of the Riches, I had to put something in there at the end, and I said, obviously, they are the richest or among the richest people in the world, but I can't really write about them because they're shadowy figures and everything's kind of same kind of thing with the Rockefeller's in America where it's kind of hard to tell certain people, you know, to say much about them because they do tend to remain, especially somebody like the Rothschild, they remain behind the scenes, but I suspect that their people above them.

Starting point is 01:22:55 And I think that's why you develop the theories like David Ike with a shape-shifting and with people thinking their actual Satanists and things like that because it's hard to explain otherwise. How do these people remain in the shadows? What do they have over the, other than blackmailable? Certainly, you know, our political leaders are very blackmailable because they all seem to be promoted because they're, you know, pedophiles or gay or whatever, and that's why they can pull that card on them if they get at a line, I guess. But I think their forces, and most of the people in American history that most of our leaders, and I have a whole bunch of the quotes from it in the book, talk about the people behind the scenes that are ruling things. And I think there's, whatever it is, it's not them, and there's so insane. What was it gonna final thoughts?

Starting point is 01:23:45 Oh man, I think that's it, man, I just, do you think there's lizard people at all? Oh, no, no, no, I gotta, here's my question. I've been hunting down somebody to talk about this. Don, you've been in the game for a long time. You've been doing a lot of research. Have you ever heard of the Pissar family and who the Pissars are and what kind of wealth or power they've had in the United States? Because the whole theory is that the Rockefellers are kind of their accountants, that they're,

Starting point is 01:24:18 you know, that David Pissar, who was the son of two French kings and queens who who are beheaded, came over here and the king, the king, the king, the king, the king, the king, the king, the king, the king, the king, the king, the king, the king, the king, the king, the king, the king, the king, the king, the king, the king, the king of two French kings and queens who were beheaded, came over here and the King of England gave him like $50 million and all these anchors and they just built and created anything. Have you ever heard any of those about this family at all? Well I've heard the name and you know as much as I do about him though. And again, I suspect that if they were as well hidden as they appear to be you know if they're running the rock a fellas or whatever uh...

Starting point is 01:24:50 then that would probably be what you'd expect because again who at how it we'd we depend on someone to expose these things and other than the internet people like me they're writing and trying it with the resources I have. I don't have any kind of resources like a major media outlet, but because our professional journalists on our big media outlets who have the power to be able to really do investigative journalism, they're not going to go there. They're not, they're barely able to expose a local used car salesman. That's about the level they're at. That's that th what th what th what th what th what th what they're they're they're they're they're they're th what they're they're they're their their their their th. their their their their their their their their their their their the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. the. the. the. the. the. theat. the. the. the. theooooooooo. the. their. their. their. their. theto go there they're not they're barely able to expose a local used car salesman that's about the level they're at and that's that they feel like doing that they really don't even feel like doing that i don't think

Starting point is 01:25:30 most of the time but something like that the people that rule the world that are above the rockethlers i mean you would you would need some some investigative journalism and we just the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th is is is is is just is just is just is just is just is just is just is just just is just is just is just that's the is just the n one one one one one one one one one one one one the a the a the a the a the a the na' the n' Jeff. But we got to ask them the one question. What? Flat Earth. You've been researching this back then when when then what do you think? I think they're throwing this at us? Why do you think they're hiding it from us or you two won't let us find it? Well I think you know that flat earth is very interesting. And I go back, because I think that when you realize you've been lied to about everything, and I think we've been lied to about everything. Why would the people that are lying to us necessarily tell us the truth about the real material existence, you know, where we're at, everything like that. But I, you know, I have no idea, but I do know that, and I, that's one book I may write as well about modern

Starting point is 01:26:27 science and that's not what I think is a scientific religion. I find it difficult to accept that we're on a warring, a spinning ball, going thousands of miles an hour and rotating at the same time, and we don't know it. And I, I think there's a lot of uh... arguments that people make that that makes sense there and i think it's uh... it's one of the bigger things on the internet now i and i i think it's so too bad that uh... uh... a lot of those videos are at been scrubbed just like a lot of videos about hoaxes and so for people open debate but again again, most of, in polite society, they're

Starting point is 01:27:05 just going to instantly laugh at you if we're even suggesting that, because modern science has become at least as powerful, I think, then the church was in the middle ages. Couldn't agree more. Science is the new religion. If you question it, you're a heathed and a sinner and or you're stupid and no matter how many times they're wrong nobody keeps score and that's kind of difference between you know Donna I won't put myself in your league because you've been doing this for a while and you're well written and well read

Starting point is 01:27:35 but we keep score and we don't we don't move on to the next thing we just keep scoring our mind oh that's another bullshit story. Oh that's another story that physics doesn't make sense. Oh that's another one that's another one. And like we just start seeing patterns here where everybody else is what we call goldfish on the show and they only remember what's in front their faces and that's all the care that's that's all the matters and at the end of the go on down sorry. Yeah no I was they. I they. they. they. they. they. they. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. th. th. th. th. th. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. I. that's. that's. I. I. I. I. that's. I. Ithe end of the day, go on Don, sorry. Yeah, no, I think that, you know, and you're right, I mean, you mentioned Eddie Bravado earlier, and I've heard him, you know, discussing flat earth. And there's lots of people that it's interesting. It really fascinates me. And because they make a lot of good points. But unfortunately, again, and I think where you go with that is that if you, if, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. the, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, the, the, and the, and the, and the, the, the, the, the, the, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, the, the, the, you would go with that is that if you did decide to invent some

Starting point is 01:28:27 kind of scientific theory to try to diminish the significance of each person, certainly modern science has done that because basically everything in modern science is based on, you know, everything is random, life has no meaning. There was this big ball and it just, I mean, you know, the most literal interpretation of the the garden of the the garden had even make more sense to me than the Big Bang Theory. It's ridiculous. There was a big ball and it just blew up and created everything with no external force. That's crazy.

Starting point is 01:28:53 But they're to them, that sounds intelligent. that sounds intelligent. And they hide it with things like primordial ooze and these expressions that the public goes, thua, thia, thia, thiioles, thioles, thioles, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thr-an, thr-an, thi, thin, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th.... And, th.. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, their, thi, thi, thin, their, thi, their, their, their, their, their, sounds intelligent, that sounds educated, but they're not making any sense at all. And I think that everything, all of this is to diminish the individual's place and the value of each life and certainly any concept of God. Because they're, because they, I think, most people, if you accept modern science, then you would just say, well, you know, I'm nothing. I'm here briefly. I'm just, you know, an accidental conglomeration of genes and we just, you know, we crawl out of the ocean or out of the trees or whatever, and then we evolved into this for some reason, I don't know, on our own.

Starting point is 01:29:38 And it means nothing. Whatever I do here has no purpose. There's, there's, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. t. t. t. to. t. toda. t. t. t. toda. t. t. t. t. t. t. th. th. th. th. There's, there's, it doesn't matter if I'm good. Because really, if you look at it that way, why is there any point of being good or trying to be good? And I think that's why they do it is they want to try to diminish any kind of, any kind of individual liberty, any kind of idea that there is a good being, supernatural being. So that would be a thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, a thi, a thi, a thi, a thi, a thi, a thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, thi, thi, thi, is that, is that, is tho, is there is there is there is, is there is there is, is, is that that that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is th. th. th. th. I I I I I I I I I th. I thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is a thi, is a thi, is a thi, is a thi, is a that, I that, is a that, is a that, is a that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, a supernatural being. So that would be my guess, but you know, it's, I realize that a lot of people don't agree with it, but it's nice to know there are a lot of people, especially young people out there that are turning in that direction because they're questioning everything. And if you question everything, why wouldn't you question something like, where am I? What is this? You know, that to me, that's that's the most the most the most the most the most, the most, the most, the most, that's the most, that's the most, that's the, that's the, that's the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, that, that's, that, that's a. that's a that, that, a that, a that, a that, a that, a. that, a. that, a. that, a. that, a. that, a. that, a. that, a. that, a. that, a. that, a. the, a. the, a. the, a. the, a. the, a. the, a. I. the, a. the, the, the, the, the, I. the, they. they. their. their. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the, I. the, I. the,that's the most natural thing in the world. I find that the kids are actually, you know, I heard a story that said they did a poll

Starting point is 01:30:28 and they found that kids find a YouTube video as credible as network television, and that's got to scare the powers that be, because their power has been completely eroded. If you go putting Donald Jeffries into Amazon or into Google you'll find a long list of books the unreals, the unreals, the survival of the riches, bulliocracy which comes out January 15th 2020, the hidden history and of course the book we talked about today, crimes and cover up in American politics, 1776 to 1963.

Starting point is 01:31:09 He's Don Jeffries. We have enjoyed you on the show, Don, we would have you on a thousand times if you'd come on. Again, we'd like to figure out when we could have you on to talk hoaxes because you're wonderful, you know, you're just a wealth of knowledge. Real quick, you tell our listeners and our viewers where they can find all your stuff. Well I blog regularly, my blog is called Keep It Unreal. It's Donald Jeffries. Wordpress.

Starting point is 01:31:37 People can read that. I write semi-regular for, pretty regularly for the American Free Press, which is available online. Lou Rockwell publishes a lot of my articles. So I'm easy to find. You Google me, you can find my interviews. I'm on coast to coast a couple times a year and things like that. I'm easy if I have lots of books, all the books you mentioned out there and the new one is coming out in January's bulliocracy. So if you Google me, you're going to find a to there. Well, Donald, you're wonderful, you are wonderful on the show. I completely appreciate you spending some time with us. We look forward to reading your new book and come back soon, my friend.

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Starting point is 01:32:31 And we take care and have a great day. Welcome to the tinfoil half. We go deep home, boy. Aaron, open your mic. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron.

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