Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #256: Waco and the Branch Davidians with Scott Horton

Episode Date: December 6, 2019

Thank you so much for tuning in for another episode of Tin Foil Hat with Sam Tripoli. This episode we welcome Antiwar.com and the Libertarian Institute's Scott Horton to discuss Donald Trump, endless war and Waco! Please check out Scott's Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/scotthortonshow Check out Scott's website: ScottHorton.org Please check out.... My youtube.com Youtube.com/SamTripoli Patreon: Patreon.com/TinFoilHat Tshirts: TinFoilHattshirts.com Cameo.com www.cameo.com/samtripoli Thank you to our sponsors: ADsuits.com: hey have tons of different colors and styles. they have suits in solid colors, pinstripes, plaids, houndstooth, double breasted, corduroy, tuxes. and all for $39 to $69. AND they give away 1 free suit every week to one of our listeners. thats just tinfoil hat fans. we announce the winner here the following week on the show. Just go to ADsuits.com/TinFoilHat and put in your email. or don't put in your email in for the free suit and just go to ADsuits.com/TinFoilHat and get a 2-button suit for $39. Manscaped: Get 20% Off and Free Shipping with the code TINFOILHAT at Manscaped.com. That’s 20% off with free shipping at manscaped.com, and use code TINFOILHAT

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I do not agree with that and I will get into that with our guests today. XG, I want to check in. How are you? You look the most balanced I've seen you in a while. You always have a, usually you have a little crazy in your eyes, but today you seem very balanced. It was early in the morning. Okay, all right. How are you? How are you? Good, how's your Thanksgiving?

What's Mexican thanks? What's Mexican Thanksgiving like? A tomales? their tam-a-tahs. any do you actually use turkeys or is it just all talk? No there's some no Turkey? There's Turkey there's Turkey the Tamaulis? Yeah that's for sure too though. What wonderful world we live in where illegal Mexicans celebrate stealing land from Native Americans. What a wonderful country live in ah but I'm glad to see you. You guys made a better place. Yeah yeah I mean I would want to be an Indian I want to be an Indian yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah the the the to to the to the to the the to to the the to the the to the the to the to the the the to the to they. yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. to the to the the to to to they. they. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. Yeah. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. the. I'm. the. the. the. the. the. I the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the want to be an Indian. I want to be online. Yeah, yeah, none of that stuff or or 711 Indian dot dot dot dot.

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honor to have this cat on. Everything he does is like what I think we in the truth community should focus on. Please welcome Mr. Scott Horton everybody. How are you Scott? I'm doing great. Thank you both very much for having me on. Well, Scott, I love your work. Everything you do is what I'm into. You know, I've always been anti-war. I'm always anti-establishment. I don't, you know, on this show we preach very hard that it's not groups, okay?

But it's actually, it's power structures. And they get us all the fight with each other all the time, this group versus that group. But when at the top, it's all the same people. I want to get into you. Tell us a little bit about the Libertarian Institute and anti-war dot com before we start. Sure. Well, first of all, anti-war.com is really the most the the world, I think. I'm really happy to be a part of that. I've been working for them since 2004. And essentially, well, I'll tell you, the first time that I found the site was in

1999 during when Bill Clinton was bombing, Serbia, to break off Kosovo from Serbia, and my friend showed it to me and I said, oh well what's that some kind of socialist thing? Because as anti-war as I was, I hadn't found any real people I identified with in the anti-war movement really as a libertarian, not too much anyway, and I had a lot of left-wing anti-war friends at the time, but then she said, no, check this out. And they're running Ron Paul articles on the front page. And a few clicks around and I can see the head writer there. He died last June, but all that time since way back then and up through last June,

the head writer, Just Romando is essentially a cranky old Archie Bunker, Paleo-Conservative from Queens, New York. And even though he was a gay rights activist from San Francisco, he was essentially an anti-war left-winger, but a paleo-libertarian, really, and he was more libertarian than conservative, but he's a cranky old kind of right-winger. And brilliant. And at that time, and especially during the run-up to the Iraq war, he was the most important writer, and really during the whole Bush years, he was the most important writer in America, Jusser Romando was, and he had the key to what all was going on with the neo-conservatives and explaining what, you know, what had it really taken place in 2001 and two

and the and the seizure of power by the neocons in order to launch the Iraq war. And so I just found myself right at home really fast with those guys and it remains the most important project on the internet because unfortunately we've been unable to put ourselves out of business here........ so so so so so so so so. so. th, th, th, th, so, so, so, so, so, th, th, th, th. And, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, you, thi, thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, what thi, what thi, what thi, what thi, what thi, what thi, what thi, what th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And, th. And, thi, the, thi, the, thi, thi, the thi, to to to to to to to to thi. And, to to to to to to to to to theei. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi, thi. it remains the most important project on the internet because unfortunately we've been unable to put on ourselves out of business here but we are trying really hard to do so. The Libertarian Institute is the institute that I created with the great Sheldon Richmond and also William Norman Grig back in 2016 and unfortunately Will died in 2017 but we've kept it going. We've now added Pete Quinones, who you might know from Twitter, Mans Rader, the Freedom

Through Meme-Dem author and great fighter in the meme wars. And he's now our managing editor. Yeah, he's great. Mames are very powerful. But I want to get into the, you know, we, you know, you've had, you mentioned a couple different political affiliations, political parties. We have, you know, you mentioned that this guy wasn't a left-leaning anti-war guy. And then you look at kind of where we are in 2019 and this bizarre world we live in

where leftist, I'm not going to call them liberals, because at my core, dude, I am a liberal. I am a equality to all. All freedom of expression, freedom of love, freedom of all that stuff. I don't even know what the political term for that is. When I was growing up, that's what a liberal was. I'm starting to think maybe that's going along the lines of libertarian now, but I don't even know what that term would, that group would be called, but I am that. But as we watch the news and these Twitter, these Blue Check idiots, we're seeing people who associate with the left, the progressives, the social justice warriors being pro-war. And not only just be, you know, being pro-war

when they know they'll never actually fight any of these wars. We have, you know, we have Megan McCain, who's endorsing Joe Biden. Like, what is the bizarre world that we live in? And did you see this coming? Because I never would ever believe that living. Yeah, well, so it's a complicated mess, but you know, you're absolutely right about the tragedy of it and the reality of how this has worked. And I think, um, unfortunately, I did kind of see it coming with the election of Barack Obama was what th.. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi thi, thi thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the bizarre, thi the the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the thi. the thi. has worked. And I think, yeah, unfortunately, I did kind of see it coming with the election of Barack Obama was what really happened, because at that point, the Democratic Party no longer needed the anti-war movement in order to gain power.

They'd won seats in the House and Senate. They won control of the House and Senate. Actually, in 2006, standing on the back of Cindy Sheehan and her anti-war movement. And then in 2008, two years later, they got Barack Obama. And so, but at that point he was inheriting all of America's wars and meant only to expand. And so then the idea was, uh-oh, we better all really shut up about the wars because what we really care about is partisanship and our dear leader being in charge and not their guy. And so for eight years you had all this pressure on people on the left and I want to get into what you say about the

political spectrum on the left there a little bit in a second. But broadly speaking, people on the left had a lot of pressure to just kind of stay silent and not really harp on that issue. If you hear them criticize Obama they I they they they they they th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th like th like thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the the the the the the the thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi. thi thi. thi. the to to to to to throoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. their the. their had a lot of pressure to just kind of stay silent and not really harp on that issue. If you hear him criticize Obama, they go, well, I don't really like the drone wars. When the drone wars were the least of it. I mean, the regime change in Libya, the half-regime change in Syria that led to the rise of the Islamic State, and what is now an ongoing genocide in Yemen, these, and never mind doubling the size the size the size the size the size the size the size the size the size the size the size the size the size the size the size the size the size the size the size the size the size the size the size the size the size the size the size these and never mind doubling the size of the Afghan war, pulling troops out of Iraq but then having to go right back again for

Iraq War III after he created the Islamic State and had to destroy it. I mean this is a foreign policy that's twice as bad as George W. Bush's that he inherited from the madman George W. Bush. And so, but that narrative was never really established anywhere in mainstream democratic politics. And, and, okay, and I'll get back to that spectrum in a second. I keep wanting to take that tangent. But now in the Bush years, so now in the Bush years, I mean, pardon me, in the Trump, these guys all look alike to me. In the Trump years, Trump comes in, and what's the major accusation against against against against against against against against against against against against against against against against against acacacacacacacacacac, the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. And, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. And, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. And, th, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, the thi. And, the the the thi. And, the the thi, thi, thi, these guys all look alike to me. In the Trump years, Trump comes in and what's the major accusation against him? The whole thing is a put on by the national security state itself, by the CIA and the FBI counterintelligence division to frame him up to try to make it look like what?

Like he's a disloyal American under the control of a foreign power, the Kremlin no less. And so now, the national national national national national national national national national the national the national the national the national the national. The the national. The the the the the the the the the the the the the the treureureauia. thia. thiuiuiuiuiui. tr. th. tr. trui. th. tru th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the tr. tru. tru. tru. tru. tru. tru. tru. tru. tru. tru. th. tru. th. th. th. th. th. th no less. And so now, the national security state, the CIA and the military and the FBI, and the national intelligence director and all these people, they are now foisted on the liberal left, the Democratic Party left, as the heroes who are here to protect the true American way from the evil usurper interloper Donald Trump who never should have won that election and only did usurp Hillary's rightful throne with the help of the Kremlin. It's totally illegitimate, you know, not my president but to the end degree that anything would be would be okay to stop him from being the president to overthrow him to invoke the 25th Amendment, to come up with any reason to impeach him because of how

unpatriotic he is, and because he doesn't put America first despite the fact that that's his big slogan. So now that is like, you couldn't have invented a greater, like, even a funnier, psychological experiment to sort of play on liberal leftists that like how dumb and horrible can I make you by jerking your chain this way and then this way and then here we are. So I had joked, right when Donald Trump was coming into power, I had joked on Twitter that I wonder how the liberals are going to find a way to come slinking back to the anti-war

movement now that Donald Trump is in charge of all of the wars. And then the answer was they didn't. The answer was Russia Gate prevented them from coming slinking back to the anti-war movement. So instead of becoming, again, the anti-war movement of the Bush years, and hey, guys, we sure missed you for eight years during Obama, but it's nice to to have to have to have to have th...... And, th. And, the the th. And, the the the th. And, the th. the the th. thii, the their, their, the, the, the, the, th. th. thi, their, thi, thi, th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, the answer.... And, the answer, the answer, the answer, the answer, the answer, the answer, the answer, the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. And, thi. threat. thin. the. the. thean. thean. th. thean. And, the the the answer. And, the answer the answer. And, the answer. to have you back. Instead of that, we got treason summit. How dare Donald Trump meet with Vladimir Putin and, you know, not accusing to his face of falsely bringing the election form and all these things. And so, yeah, it's like setting off a nuke in the brain of where, of what liberals used to be and just replacing them with a blank slate

written, you know, scrawled on by John Brennan and the worst criminal torture murderers out of the Central Intelligence Agency of all places. And so they're just nuts. And now I want to say real quick about the liberal left thing and what have you because I totally agree with you that in my era growing up, the definition of liberal as we understood it, very broadly speaking, was as you say, accepting, interested in art and in reading and in learning new things and not being close-minded, but yeah, being, you know, generally a easy-going

person or whatever could encompass, but, you know, that's more of like a way of being in society. Politically speaking, and this is probably quite unfair, but it's just the way that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th broadly th broadly thi thi thro thi thi thi thi the way the way broadly thi thi thi thro thi thi the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way being in society. Politically speaking, and this is probably quite unfair, but it's just the way that the terms have been co-opted and used and whatever, is I think really what you have is, well, you guys are looking this way. So the left, it's more like the liberals, and this is the best I understand it. The liberals means the people have no principle whatsoever. They're just the the their their their their th. th. th. th. th. thoe, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. That's is is is, th. That's is is, th. th. That's is, th. That's is, th. thi. thi. thi. thi. It's is thi. It's, that's, that's, that's, that's, thee. It's, the. It's, th. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the people have no principle whatsoever. They're just Democrat partisan voters and they go along with whatever the hell they're supposed to go along with. Right from roasting the branch Davidians alive to genocide in Yemen to impeaching Trump over false accusations of treason with the Russians to whatever stupid thing they're supposed

to believe, they're essentially just Democrats. That's where they are, mindless Democrat types. Then you go further to the left, and you get the progressives. And the progressives, it's like a conservative to a Republican. These are people who are actually really more about the ideology than the partisanship. They really care more about the principles. And they're more likely to be good on foreign policy. Say for example, I'll name a bunch of good examples right now, Glenn Greenwald, Aaron Mate,

Matt Taibi, Michael Tracy, and all these guys. They're not really hard-left communists. They're progressives, but they're ideological folk. And so they don't believe in Russia gay. They don't believe in Russia gay. They hate Trump. They don't believe in Russia gay because that's a stupid CIA. What are you stupid? And so they have principle.

Okay. What am I? What am I here? I'm going to tell you what I believe in and you tell me what? Because I always thought progressives were just like, you know, for people people, the the the thuu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they're, because, because thi, because thi, because they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're thi, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they're they're they're they're their they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their their thi, th that the liberal, the old school liberals were just like, you know, for people, anti-war, for freedom of expression. Like those are things like anti-regime change, anti-war on drugs, anti-racism. These seem like, like, duh, everybody's at, but it does not seem like that. When I say anti-racism, I don't know anyone who's pro-racism, but, or I know they exist, I know, I they they they they they they they they they exist, I they exist, I they exist, I they exist, I they exist, I they exist, I they they're, I they're, I they're, I they're, I theythat, but it does not seem like that when I say anti-racism, I don't know anyone who's pro-racism, but, or I know they exist, but, you know, pro, pro-gay,

I mean, if you're gay, be gay, as long as, pro any sex it does involve hurting children or sexual assault, you know, a change to the health care system that brings down costs of everything so people can afford. What is that person? I'm asking Scott Horne, who is that person? Because I mean I thought that was liberal, but you're telling me it's, I'm not, this isn't an argument, this is a real question, like I found it was, no, I mean I think, okay well it depends on how you want to bring down those those those those those th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the health, I th. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I.. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to. the to. to. to. th. to. to. th. to. to. th. th. to. to. th. to. to. th. liberal. I mean, I think, okay, well, it depends on how you want to bring down those health care costs. I mean, what you're saying, you could broadly fit with what you just said, you could broadly fit within the progressive movement, or you could really be a libertarian, too. It depends on what you think needs to be done about those things really and your first premises and where you're coming from on a lot of those issues.

But I mean, depending on what you really think about the monetary system, what you think about federalism and the Constitution, what you think about property rights and what you think about, you know, natural, individual rights. Yeah, I'm all for all those. So maybe I'm a progressive libertarian. Can I make up a new group? Yeah, there, sure, sure, sure, sure, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, to, to. And, to, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And a new group? Yeah, there's, sure, yeah, there's, you know, left-leaning libertarians and they're libertarians who really, you know, like my partner, Sheldon, Richmond, at the Libertarian Institute, he really thinks of libertarianism as a part of the left. You know,

separate and distinct from status. We're very anti-state. We're individualists and property right as, but in a sense, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's a very that's a very that's a very that's a very that's a very that's a very that's a very thi, thi, thian, the their, their, their, their, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. threat. thean, thean, thean.ean. thean. threat. thean, thean, the thean. thi. thi. thi. in a sense, that's a very radical position. That's not a conservative position. It's a very pro-market position. And so that sounds like the right, in a way, to some people. But what it really is is that it's the ideology of every single person has the right to their own property, their right to be their own king of their own castle. And that's not that the king doesn't have a divine right but just everybody else has just as much divine right as he does I couldn't agree more and that's kind of what I'm that's yeah so and I know liberals conservatives and libertarians all claim that heritage going back right it's a question of how consistent they are with it and that kind of thing and but see there are a lot of ironies and all this stuff too because because you know if you actually look at the liberals the liberals liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals the liberals are the liberals are the liberals are the liberals are the liberals are the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the of ironies and all this stuff too because you know if you if you actually look at the liberals, the reason the liberals are so

bad is because they've made their peace with capitalism. But capitalism is good. But the problem is they're not libertarians, they're liberals. So to them, what they mean by making peace with capitalism is they're not socialists in that sense, so that's good, but they just make their peace with business in America as currently constituted, meaning they are essentially the hired vessels of the arms industries, of the bankers, of the pharmaceutical companies, of agribusiness, and allthe the insurance companies all the biggest financial interests that you would think of as associated with the Republican Party they control the Democratic Party too and so it's not I mean thank

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Nancy Pelosi and the House Democrats, they were in the minority at the time, so it was safe for them to do so. But they voted to oppose that war. But the Senate Democrats, they voted for it. Joe Biden, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and I'm pretty sure Tom Daschle and all the leadership, all of those guys, they all voted for it. Not, I don't think Bernie Sanders did, but all the major Democrats did during that time. And you know, they represent essentially this centrist bipartisan consensus. And you'll hear people criticize the neoliberals, neoliberalism, and you'll hear them criticize neoconservatism.

And those things are best oversimplified to mean the center left and the center right. So what are the Clintons? The Clintons are conservative Democrats and what are the Bushes? They're liberal Republicans, right? John McCain, Rhino type centrist. And this is where the consensus is for all of the craziest stuff. Right, these people claim the name moderate, but they're not moderate at all. They're the ones, as you just said, they want to start wars. What the hell is moderate about that? They ran up a 23 trillion dollar debt. That's, in other words, 20 trillion since Reagan left office.

Since the Bush-Clinton consensus took That's, in other words, 20 trillion since Reagan left office. Since the Bush-Clinton consensus took hold in America, they've ran up $20 trillion worth of debt. They've overextended our empire and made a mockery out of everything good about America in the name of exporting all of this corrupt, crony, militarism, and imperialism and all these things that we had no right to do in the first place. And so in that sense, it's no surprise really, right, that the Democrats are as bad as the Republicans.

I mean, after all, Janine Garofalo is good as she might have been on the war back then. She's an actress. She's not a senator. And I bet if she was a senator, she'd had more balls than Al Franken, who was another one of those kind of left fellow travelers who did become a senator, and of course sold out all his principles immediately if he ever had any, and was never a good anti-war force the whole time he was in the Senate. And so... But then... Yeah, yeah, go on. Sorry. So I completely agree with everything you want. I, you know, Jimmy Dorr, I studied, I studied, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th, I th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th th th th th th the the the the tho, tho, the, the the the the the th. the th. the, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the, I completely agree with everything you want. You know, Jimmy Doar, I studied Jimmy Dorr. You might have a different political view of Jimmy Dorr, but he's great.

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And you saw people on the right spectrum. I'm not going to say the right, but the spectrum of the political thing, losing their skulls because they're bringing up this thing and it was a trial without, you know, he's being tried for sexual crimes, but it really wasn't ever brought any charges. And for me, I think that was all bullshit theater. And that the truth of the matter is, is that Kavanaugh is one of these go both ways kind of guys, meaning that Kavanaugh was part of the cover-up of the Vince Foster murders. And that this trial really wasn't about his sexual escapades

and that they were just using that to basically frame his hearing, not about what he really thought about. But actually, this woman who comes out of Stanford, who could easily have charged him with sexual assault in the country, in the state that it happened. And she didn't do that, but she brought it out even though there were no witnesses, the only two people can vouch for it was her husband who knew him much later and her therapist who knew much later after the fact. But her, this lady, I forget what her name was. She basically is head of the CIA intern program at Stanford in like Silicon Valley, the Kavanaugh accuser, put that, and that they framed it

as his sexual exploits, when in reality they didn't want anyone discussing the fact that he he helped author the Patriot Act. He's pro-police state. He's pro-searches without warrants. He thinks the president is above the law and we keep going on forever and ever and ever all this stuff. What is your thoughts on that? Well, I mean, that kind of presumes that anybody would have brought that up in the Senate to

oppose him or made that much of a big deal about that, which I think is pretty unlikely. And honestly, I really don't know that much about that case, but my impression is the same as what you're saying, that this was essentially some trumped up stuff that was a distraction ultimately. But then again, I don't think you need a complicated explanation for that beyond just partisanship. And maybe this lady really did know him and hate him from back when. And it's really important.

You know, this is not my issue at all, but, and it may not be yours, but we should never forget how important it is to certain factions on the left and the right of who sits in the majority on that court. It's a divided court. It's you have a couple of swing votes either way and at stake is the right. And at stake is the right, so-called, however you frame it, to have an abortion. And to the right and to the left that is everything that is the bottom line of the culture war and they can keep a conservative who might vote

the wrong way out of that chair and keep a liberal in there they might do anything over that that that has nothing to do with because who's going to bring up the Patriot Act they all voted for the Patriot Act. Nobody's going to crucify him over that. You know, Rand Paul might say something, but that's about it. And the other, the Democrats who were good on it, they're gone. You know, I think Udall and whatever his name was, they're both defeated and drummed right out of there. So, there's nobody in the Senate who I think would have even bust him over that. I certainly agree with you that there was, you know, th seem, th seem, th seem, th, th, th, th, th, th seem, th seem, th, the, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the their, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their, their their their their, their, their, their their, thu, thu. thu. thu. the, the, the, the, theeeeeeean, thean, thean, thean, thean, theauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuua, thea,. But after all, I mean, the whole thing is a circus up there. It's an imperial court.

There's, you know, the budget next year is $4.75 trillion. And you can think of that entire thing as just the biggest honeypot in the history of all of mankind. That every interest on the planet has in doing whatever it takes to get influence over that government and the power that it wields. Scott, I want to ask you what is your, we've heard some already your take on Trump. You know, I do, I've been doing a lot of shows lately and I always get asked what do you think Trump is? And I'm constantly trying to figure out what he represents. I've broken it down into like maybe three different things that could be.

He's an agent of chaos. He was brought in for whatever reason and he's in there disrupting the situation based on things we see like the Paris climate agreement out of that, the TPP, out of that, the free trade agreement, out of that. Brokering deals with North Korea, when they, when the CIA and the military industrial complex uses them as a rattler, you know, to get us to crank up the military expended. I can keep going on and on and on about, you know, to get us to crank up the military expaned. I can keep going on and on and on and on about all, you know, the trade wars with China. And all this stuff that he's done, I am pro all that. I think and I wonder if it is business usual. Or there's another thought that he is, is, maybe he's theater. He's still part

of this theater that's going on Washington, D.C. But then maybe what he represented, which was an outsider, got away from them. And now people like you and all these other wonderful researchers on the internet that are putting out the real content, have kind of said, we don't need Trump, we're going to keep putting out the truth. And the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, theytermeatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheatheat, he, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, the the, the the, the the, the the, the the, the the, the the, the the, the the, the the, the internet that are putting out the real content, have kind of said, we don't need Trump, we're gonna keep putting out the truth and they're never gonna be able to put the genie back into the bottle, they're never gonna be able to put the cat back into the bag. Or is it a third thing that he's an agent and the destruction of all these institutions that they've been building over, if not decades, centuries, mainstream media, free trade, the military industry, all these things that seem to be taken a beating,

that something out there knows how this plays out and is okay with destroying these trillion dollars of industries. You know, the child sex trafficking rings that are blackmailing everybody that have been exposed. Like, these are things within the last three and a half years that we've, that nobody ever talked about before this. And now they're exposed, and I don't think you put the cat in the back. What is your take on the whole thing? Well, I'm not sure all those things go together, but I mean, for example, Epstein was prosecuted originally by the Obama government. So I don't know, I wouldn't think of that as like a big

watershed or anything. But a lot of what you say is right in terms of breaking up the international structures, at least undermining the international structures of, you know, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, th. thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the thi, the thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. to to to to to to to to to to theeeeeeee. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, at least undermining the international structures of, you know, the American empire is what it really is. You know, they call it the liberal rules-based international order of friendliness and cooperation and whatever kind of euphemisms. But essentially, the multinational institutions that America has built, the United Nations and NATO and the World Trade Organization, all the different agencies of the UN for that matter. Essentially all that, at the bottom line really, it's all a fig leaf for American imperial power and it's all backed up by the American Army as the World Army in order to enforce it. And so Trump, I think, the bottom

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But then if you tell him, hey, we could steal that oil and make money. Then he goes, oh, okay, then that's perfectly fine. If there's money in it for us, then killing and stealing is perfectly fine. I just don't want to kill and just waste money killing. If we're gonna kill, bring me home some oil for it. And that is essentially his viewpoint on things. So, you know, you could call that a kind of neo-imperialism and nationalism, but of course the whole thing is stupid and ridiculous. It's not like we're getting enough oil out of Syria or ever could get enough oil out of Syria or Iraq that it would pay for our interventions

there which are costing in the trillions of dollars. You know, six and a half trillion dollars have been spent on the terror wars in the 21st century so far, which is probably a hundred times as much as we spent on Middle Eastern oil this whole time. All things is completely stupid and crazy and wrong on that basis. I mean, we've seen where he tries to pull troops out of Afghanistan. So we're a big moment was coming. The Taliban was coming to America to meet with, to meet with Trump to talk about pulling out of Afghanistan. Because make no doubts about it, everybody. We are there for one reason to protect poppy fields. We there's pictures, and Scott, if I'm wrong, please correct me, but we are there, we're

protecting poppy fields. And so Trump is going to meet with this Taliban. And what happens? The people who want us out, decided be a good idea, I don't know where, to blow up a base or attack a base. Like, because that's logical. If the people who are there want to leave and all you have to do is kind of come to an agreement, why not blow up a facility or attack some soldiers or thoughts like that? Do you think Trump is trying to pull us out of Afghanistan? Well, in fact, so, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their to their their their their their their their their their their their this, this this this this this this this this this this the this this the the, blow the, blow up the, blow up the, blow up their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thi the, the. theeean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. theeeeeeeeea. thea. theeee. the. thoughts like that. Do you think Trump is trying to pull us out of Afghanistan? Well, in fact, so there are recent developments.

I mean, they're actually beginning to pull some more troops out now, and they're saying it's not tied to talks, but they have restarted the talks. I mean, in fact, so what happened was, when Trump first came into power, he was like, I want out of here. And they tried to make him escalate. And he resisted until August of 2017. So for, you know, essentially for half a year, he said, no, no, no, no, no, and dragged his feet. And then finally after they got rid of Stephen Bannon, and they took him out to camp David. And there's a picture of Donald Trump, he surrounded by all these generals. generals and CIA guys on both sides and he's got no one on his side and they just made him escalate the war at that point and he did.

He gave him 10,000 more troops and escalated and he has massively escalated the war there. And he's just, they've killed tens of thousands of people just this year and tens of thousands more last year has been really bad. At the same time, he's had Zalmayzzzumumumumumumumumumumum. Heaa, hea, he's a a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a thi, he's a thi, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, tho, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, the the the the the the tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, he. tho, he. Hea, he. Hea, hea, hea, hea, hea, hea, hea, hea, he's, he's, he's, he's, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tot, tote. He's, ta, ta, ta, toge.e.e. He's, toge. He's, to, to,almei Khalilzad, who is a very influential and powerful neo-conservative Mandarin in D.C., lead these talks. He's the guy who picked America's original sock puppet president of the country after 01. And he's over there, and he's been dealing with the Taliban. He clearly has marching orders directly from the president. He works directly for the president. He doesn't work for the secretary's state. He works directly for the president as a special representative and negotiator. And he had a deal. And then, as you're talking about, it all got blown up at the

last second. But the thing was, it wasn't the Taliban truck bombing or suicide attack that that really botched the thing. It was Trump that botched it himself. Because what it happened was America's been able able a a a a a a a a a a the the the the the the the the thiaauiauia, thia, thia, thia, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And, th. And, th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. It's thi. It's thi. theeeeeeeei. theeeeeeeeee. And, thi. And, thi. And, th. It was Trump that botched it himself because what it happened was America has been absolutely unable to make a deal with the Taliban all along because under Bush and Obama the deal was Taliban you have to make peace with our government that we created in Kabul first and only then will we negotiate our exit and the Taliban's answer was wrong you leave and then we'll consider negotiating with them but we're not negotiating a thing until you're out of here and that's it and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their.. their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. they. they. they. they. And they. And they. And they. And they. And they. And ta. And ta. And ta. And ta. And ta. And ta. And ta. And ta. And ta. And their their their their the we'll consider negotiating with them. But we're not negotiating a thing until you're out of here. And that's it. And they stayed at war this whole time.

And they're in the winning, on the, you know, all the momentum is with them. They have no reason to give up. They're in the position of strength. So Trump came in and Trump and Culli-Ill, and their, to their, their, their, to their, to their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thuil-in, their, and, and, and their, and their, and their, and their, and, we are going to essentially give in to the Taliban on almost everything. We are going to get out. All they have to do is promise to keep Al-Qaeda and ISIS down and out and not host them and harbor them and we will leave them alone and good luck Kabul. Okay, good luck to the government that we created there. Then at the last minute, and that was actually the only achievable deal if you're going the, to, to, to, to, the, to, the, to, the, the, to, and, and, the, and, and, the, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, the, the, the, and, the, and, they. And, the, and, and, and, the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they.e.e. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they.e.e. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. the they. the th. the th. minute, and that was going to happen, and that was actually the only achievable deal if you're going to have a deal with the Taliban at all, that was going to be it.

We leave and hope that you guys don't keep fighting. And then at the last minute, Trump said, here's what we're going to do. Right before we sign the peace deal, I'm going to demand that the Ghani. The Ghanni government, leaders come to Camp David and that they sign a peace deal between each other, promising not to fight after we leave. Well, no groundwork had been laid. They'd spent two years negotiating our exit at all. Now at the last minute, Trump insists on a comprehensive peace deal. You sign here, you sign here, based on no previous

set of understandings or agreements or anything. And the Taliban said, well, look, we'll come, but we're not signing anything with this government. If that's what we're going to do, we'd have done that under George W. Bush, pal, it ain't going to happen. And so then Trump said, oh, well, because of a suicide attack in Kabul, I'm calling off the thing because the Taliban, they just pushed their luck too far. But it was him who ruined his own stupid deal. Mr. Deal-Closer, who can't close any deals ever, ever. You know, same thing with Korea.

The state was like, enemy. But see, they drew a red line. They said, look, these guys, we can not allow them to have nuke new, their new, their new, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to, to, to, to, to, their, to, these guys, we can not allow them to have nukes and the missiles that can deliver them to D.C. Well, that is what you have now. They have, we don't, they haven't miniaturized the nukes, but they do have nukes and they do have missiles that get to D.C. So we're at the point of America's stated red line, whether it's Obama or Trump. So what are we going to do? Launch a war against them? Before they can miniaturize a nuke and put it on top of a warhead, are we going to finally

realize they are in a position of strength? Because of George W. Bush, who forced them out of the treaty and into nuclear weapons, in the first place in 2002 and 3. Now they have to the taa really mean it that they cannot have nukes and missiles, then we have to come to the table and deal with them or have a war, if that's your premise. So what does Trump do? Trump says, let's deal. And then you saw and you described it perfectly,

how they did everything they could to screw it up, including John Bolton, saying, yeah, we're going to do it on the Libyan model, which was they gave up their nuclear technology and then America murdered their president, launched a regime change and lynched him on the side of the road. When you see, I don't know if you knew this, saw this, but when you see something like Howard Stern having Hillary Clinton on trying to almost humanize this war criminal vampire pedophile, the pedophiles might not be your your your expertise and that's a lot of stuff we talk about on this show not that you know just like how hey her husband's in on it I mean somebody just murdered her husband's masod child rape pimp in his prison cell so I don't

think that's a conspiracy theory at all you know much respect my friend so I am you know I am you know you know you know you know I am you know you know you know you know you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the thi the think that's a conspiracy theory at all, you know? Much respect, my friend. So I am, you know, I just want to put this out. The reason Epstein, through my research, what the original time Epstein gets arrested is because he did it, because Trump does a backdoor deal on him on a Florida property and this dutch banker who got a just found hung in Malibu is the guy who green lit the the the loan when Trump shouldn't got because you know the whole thing is like is Trump paper rich cash poor and that's that's the word in the researchers that I trust have told me that they mocked kind of tru. Trump backdoed him on on on on on on on on the the the the the the th. He th. He th. He th. He th. He got got got got got got got got got got a the their. He their. He their. He. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their. their. their. their. their. their. I their. I their. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I tho. I tho. to. to. to to to to to to to tooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. too. too. th. th word in the researchers that I trust have told me that they mocked kind of Trump and Trump back doored him on this deal.

He got a loan that he wasn't supposed to get to buy this property and that's where the war begins. And that's why Trump, Trump is the only person to actually, when the victims, the victims lawyers asked to interview him. He's the only one who comes down and actually answers all the questions. There's actually a video you can watch where Epstein's victims lawyers said Trump's the only one who came down and answered all of our questions. So I think there is a little bit to that earlier. But what I want to get into is this Russia gate, this Ukraine gate.

Here we see the same fucking game plan played over and over and over again with no, I mean, when Clinton gets in, okay, there's some weird kind of similarities, and correct me if I'm wrong, and I would like to know, between Clinton being elected and Trump being elected, both kind of outsiders who come in being an established party candidate. Their first term is just riddled with sex scandal, sex cangle, impeachment, you know, is there anything to that? And no, no, no, I think. And I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it.

You were right earlier when you said Bill Clinton was always with the bushes, that he had been part of Iran Contra and the cocaine deal in back then. He had was a road scholar and was long established in the halls of power in New York and D.C. and that kind of thing. Donald Trump, you know, I think Al Sharpton said it best during the campaign. He said, you know, if you're an outsider, this guy is a liberal, Democrat, billionaire from New York City. If you live in New York City, then you understand. He's not from Manhattan. He's from Queens. And that means that to them, they, them, the real, the real, the real, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, theck. I. I. I. I. I. I, the. I. I, the. I, the. I, the. I, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the. I'm, the. I'm, trea. I'm. I'm. I trea. I trea. I trea.a. I trea. I thea. I the. I that means that to them, they, them, the real them, he is poor white trash, new rich scumbag who is not allowed, is not invited,

who he hates because they hate him. And so there's kind of, I think, there's a lot to that, right? If you look at it where his fortune came from it was essentially being a real estate tycoon so if you can get entry into that market which his father had already established for him if you get entry into that market you can make a lot of money doing that without being the kind of power broker that we're talking about right

it's not that he was a arm sales salesman to to the the the the the the the the the military. It's not that he was a fractional reserve banker working closely with the Federal Reserve to create money out of nothing, or, you know, owned a whole bunch of farms in the guise of Archer Daniels Midland or Monsanto out Midwest or this kind of thing. He's a real estate tycoon in Manhattan. So he can make a lot of money without necessarily really representing power. And I think when he ran for office, he really didn't represent power at all. If you looked at all the major power factions, the only ones who said he was all right, he was all right was the army and the Marine Corps. And you can tell, it was actually one of the first times in a long time where it was that blatant that theyn't, that, thin, thin, thin, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they. they. their, their, thi, they. their, their, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi. thi, thi, thi, the, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they....... they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. they. they. they. they. they. the. the. that political. Although in this case, what they were saying essentially was not we insist on him. They, I think, would have all preferred Hillary. But what they did do by

standing next to him was say, this guy is okay. And it's all right for him to be supported. And that was really important that they did. But all of the rest of the power factions opposed him. So I think that the Bill Clinton comparison is much closer to George HW Bush Bush. Bush. Bush. Bush. Bush. Bush. Bush. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And. And th. th. th. th. And, th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. I think that the Bill Clinton comparison is much closer to George H.W. Bush than to Trump. I mean Trump really is the outsider that he seems like. It's just it's so unfortunate that if he was just five IQ points smarter and a little bit more interested in other people than himself and what's really going on he would be a lot better guy but I think this is the explanation behind Russia Gate, all right? Is that all of, if you take the most naive hopes of, say, the anti-war right, that this guy was going to live up to all that he had claimed that he was going to be anti-war and he was

going to end all of Bush's wars and bring our guys home and all of this kind of stuff, or that he was going to be neutral, as he put it, in the Israel-Palestine conflict and try to just come to a reasonable compromise, that would be okay with everybody. Where there were hopeful people who said, wow, that's great, there were a lot of powerful people who absolutely went. And both sides should have known. Both sides should have known that this guy is paper thin, especially when it comes to foreign policy stuff, he likes kicking butt at least as much. It's like the deal to is that, come on Donald, we got to beat these bad guys and he's going to go along with whatever the military wants on all that. I love it. I love it man. I love you to your point of view. I love it. I want to ask you some to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to the to the the to the to the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. thoompoe. the the the thoompoe. the the thoompoe. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thoomp. thoomp. thoomea. thoomea. thoooooo. thoooooooo. thooooooooo. thooooooooo. th. thooooo. th. th. I love it, man. I love it, man. Your point of view. I love it. I want to ask you something real quick.

So over the weekend or last week, the DOJ comes out and says, we found no FISA corruption. I've been studying this for two, three years, man. I mean, actually four years for 2015 all the way through I saw it all play out I remember when Hillary kneecap Bernie Sanders regards of politically what he thought and you know later on he takes the knee we see him endorse her at the DNC but we all know that she kneecapped in the Seth Rich murders and stuff like that and um and um and the that. And um and the thousand the the the-15 15 15 15 15 15 15 15 th. 15 th. 15 th. 15 th. 15 th. 15 th. 15 th. 15 th. 15 th. 15 th. 15 th. 15 th. 15 th. 15 thi th. 15 th. 15 th. 15 th. 15 this this this this this this this this thi. 15 th this this this this this this this this this th th th th th th th th th. 15 th. 15 th. 15 th. 15 th. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. this this this thi. this. this. this. thi. thi. thi. thi. this. know that she knee-capped in the Seth Rich murders and stuff like that and and basically we know there was a time in the about 2014, 2015, that Bernie Sanders was called out by the DNC for basically

stealing data from the DNC computers and all their other data. And the reason Bernie Samms is allowed back in because he goes, the guy that you're accusing of stealing all the data is who Hillary Clinton told me to hire onto my group. And while later on we find out Hillary Clinton's completely controlling the DNC and that once again, we see that this is a plant that she's put on somebody to kneecap somebody else's fucking campaign. And that's why he was allowed back into the DNC elections and got their data because it turned out that Hillary was putting plants.

Now let's fast forward to Donald Trump and his transition team. Look who's on it. It's Carter Page. Who's Carter Page? Well Carter Page was part of Bill Clinton's transition team way back in the day. He's an old old spook from back the day an FBI plant that was put on Donald Trump's transition team, which allowed the FBI and the Obama administration to go to the FISA courts and be like, this guy, Carter Page, is up to no good. We'd like to wiretap him and everyone around him, which becomes Donald Trump and all of his campaign people. Then we find out that Stephen Helper was involved.

He's an old spook from way back to the day who was used to spy on Jimmy Carter for Reagan and Bumpa, babah. George Bush, Sr. So now we have the old guard again and all these people putting on. So now the DNJ, the DOJ comes out and says nothing happened. And I know that is 100% bullshit. What is your thoughts on all that? Yeah, well, so I'm not sure about the Carter page being a plant angle. I mean, it seems like they just lied and lied and lied about him in the the the people. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the people. the people. And all all all all all the people, all the people, all the people, all the people, all, so I'm not sure about the Carter Page being a plant angle. I mean, it seems like they just lied and lied and lied about him in order

to get that FISA warrant when everything he had done was perfectly innocent. I mean, if his association with Trump alone was a setup, I guess that's possible. I should thrown that. But you're absolutely on point, I agree with you I guess I should say about the Halper angle and you know for that matter the the the Miss Food who they even to this day they continue to refer to him as some kind of Russian agent although that is absolutely not in evidence anywhere is far more likely he was working for MI6. The bottom line for your viewers being that and listeners being that this thing was a setup from the beginning and this is I guess this is not a hundred thousand percent okay like they claim they had legitimate reasons to think something this that I guess I'll give that a

tenth of a percent of a thing because we don't have all of our answers yet. We don't know every single thing. But but but but but but. But. But. But. the most. the most. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the most. th. the most th. thi. thi. the thi. the most thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I's is is thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thee. th. the. the. thi. thi. thi. th. We don't know every single thing. But the most plausible, simplest explanation is that the CIA under John Brennan decided to frame the Trump campaign for their association with Russia. And that whether they infiltrated Page on a campaign, I'm not sure. But I think that it's very clear that they attempted to entrap Papadopoulos and probably page two into saying or doing something wrong that would give them the pretext to launch this investigation. And I think there's been a strong circumstantial case made, relatively strong anyway, it's not conclusive, but there's a case to be made that Goosefer, too, is really just the CIA under John Brennan.

And that the word was that WikiLeaks is going to put out some DNC leaks. And then Goosefer essentially acted as though, you know, came up with this scheme to make it seem as though he was the source of all of this stuff, when really that's not true. And if you look at the timeline and the way it way it way it the way it the way it's the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the way the thiolololioliole of the the thioliolioliolioli. tooom. th. th. they. they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th toda. todayuu. todayu. today. today. th th tooo th th threate. th th th th source of all of this stuff, when really that's not true. And if you look at the timeline and the way it's laid out in the Mueller report, the way that they lay out the timeline, I think, is accurate. But the way that they explain what it means doesn't make any sense at all. It's much more apparent that it actually, even according to their timeline, it looks like that Wikileaks, in fact, did not receive the leak from Gusepher or from D.C. Leaks, one or both of whom may have just been the CIA in disguise anyway, but that he already had the leak for weeks before they ever contacted him. And I think that is true. I just have no reason. I don't think that any of your viewers or listeners have any good reason to believe that

the Russians were behind the hack of the DNC or the Podesta emails in the first place at all. They were simply just entrapped in it basically or not entrapped, but framed up, falsely accused of being behind it. And even to this moment, to this day, they say constantly, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the, the the the, the, the the, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, their their their to to to their their, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the the thea, theuuiiiiiiauiauiauia gu theau theu thr-ea'ea gu thr-ea gu toea, toe And even to this moment, to this day, they say constantly, yeah, but the CIA says so. In fact, there's an article at, I just saw at mediaite.com, and they're criticizing Tucker Carlson interviewing the heroic Aaron Mate. I'm not sure if you're familiar with him, but he writes for the nation and he's been absolutely, I think he's the single best guy on Russia gate in our country right now, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, on, on, th..... th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the the they, thi, the the the the the they, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the thi. thi. the the thi. the thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the nation and he's been absolutely, I think he's the single best guy on Russia Gate in our country right now on debunking all of this stuff. And he was on the Tucker show and they're quoting him saying, Tucker, there still is no evidence that we have seen that Russia did this. All we have are claims and by the way claims by the very same

people who said that Trump was a traitor in league with Russia. We haven't seen it and media I reports this as though it is self-evidently self-refuting and what a total ridiculous clown that he would say that and the way it reads you would think that the last paragraph was going to say everybody knows they proved it here's the link but instead it the the the the the the the the the the the th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the is is is the is the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. theeeee. thee. the. the. the. the. thethat the last paragraph was going to say, everybody knows they proved it, here's the link. But instead, it ends with the CIA tells us that it was the Russians who did it. And that's all you need to know. Still, at the end of 2019, they don't even pretend to have

demonstrated that it's true at all, that the Russians did anything at all, as far as leaking those documents, which leaves us with, when you take, because every single one of the conspiracy theories about the Trump team all fell flat, that leaves us with nothing but the Facebook ads and Twitter ads which amounted to nothing. There were trillions of Facebook posts and ads going by and there was like a low tens of thousands of these ads and all they were were click bait to make money for this Russian troll farm which was not connected to Russian intelligence which was never demonstrated to

be doing this as an errand for the Russian government at all and which had absolutely no sway whatsoever on the election some cartoon of Hillary Clinton arm wrestling Satan, or no, she's Satan, arm wrestling Jesus, and like, oh yeah, no, I can see how that would have changed 50,000 votes in Wisconsin, huh? Give me a break. The whole thing. And as you mentioned about her, one more thing, about her cheating against Bernie and putting that plant in there to frame him up for stealing stuff. Well, this is another part of how she actually lost the thing, was she cheated. It wasn't just that. And the blackout on Bernie, but we see from the Podesta emails, whether it was Vladimir Putin or whoever it was that leaked those padesta emails, we have in those emails what they called the Pied Piper strategy. And this was to ask for all of their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the. theck. theck. theck. tho, theck. theck. theck. to to to theck. to theck. to theck. theck. theck, theck. Wea, theck. Wea, the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. toe. toeateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateateate Strategy. And this was to ask for all of their mainstream media liberal friends to support and promote Donald Trump, Ben Carson and Ted Cruz, above all others and especially Trump because he is so

crazy and he is the winger, he will be the one who's the easiest to beat in the fall. So it wasn't just that they hated Bernie Sanders. There was a real reason why on CNN you could watch an empty podium of Trump for an hour while they were waiting for him to show up. Meanwhile Bernie Sanders would be given a speech to 4,000 people. Again, I'm a Libertary, not a Sanders guy. I'm just being descriptive here. This is how they did it. And then I'm sure you noticed too, that the moment that it was guaranteed that Trump had the nomination locked up, as soon it was guaranteed that he would get the nomination, they all turown on him. And he went from the star, and isn't he funny? And isn't he goofy? And don't we like to laugh along with him on the morning Joe's show and all this stuff, to now all of a sudden he's. to now, to now, to now, to now, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. As th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. thr. thuu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. the. the. they had promoted him in the first place because they thought he would be the easiest to beat and then another thing revealed in the emails

was that Donna Brazil from CNN had cheated and had given Hillary Clinton a question advance on one of the debate questions and what was funny about that was the question was just what's your position on the death penalty? Well, what the hell Hillary Clinton you don't have a position on the death penalty that you can recite th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It th. It's the th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's the th. Yeah, the the th. Yeah, thi. Yeah, they. Yeah, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And, th. th. And, the th. th. the th. th. th. thi. the, they. the. they. the. they. they. the they. the the the. they. the the the the. the on the death penalty that you can recite yet? It's not like she really believes in anything but she can at least know what her answer is supposed to be and and then and what does she do? She rat on Donna Brazil and demand that they changed the debate question to a fair one. No she prepared and she delivered her prepared the to prepared was that kind of thing that cost her the margin. She deliberately did this to herself by

cheating. Cheaters never win and in this case it blew up in her face and it was you know death of a thousand cuts of her own knife before the general election could be complete. So there's some crazy I remember watching Comi's testimony and he said something very, he said two things that I thought would just end all this and one of it was that one Trump never put any pressure on him to in fact not investigate anything with Russia. Never so I thought that should have ended it right there. And the second thing that he said, which I found very interesting, was that the FBI never actually

looked at the servers. They never looked at the servers. This is this is Komi's own testimony. I watched it in real time. I said game over. And what we found out was that basically crowd strike had gone to the FBI. So the DNC doesn't run to the FBI. The DNC runs to Crowdstrike. Their security company and goes, oh we think something's up. I basically think they found out that Seth Rich had downloaded all the files and took off and they needed to spin everything. So Crowdstrike contacts the FBI. Now why is that important? Well because Crowdstrike was founded by the FBI's uh, Mueller's head of cybersecurity. So there's already some kind of, and correct me if any time, if you, if you've heard anything.

I don't know about that particular detail. Okay, so hold on. So they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they checked out. And they checked out, any of the servers never have checked the servers at any time. And that basically they took what Crowdstrike had told them, which was the Russians that hacked this. Where are the servers?

They don't even know. And not only that, but so in the Roger Stone trial recently, it came out that Crowdstrike never even did a final report. All they had told the FBI was their preliminary results that trust us, the Russians did it, and they had never even done a final report showing their work to the FBI. So not only was the FBI just taking their word for it, they were literally taking their word for it.

They didn't even have a piece of paper that were even, according to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the theory, where crowdstrike had demonstrated that this was true to the FBI. For 100% never mind that the FBI had demonstrated it to us. And this kind of, this Russia gate bleeds right in to Ukraine gate, right? And that this, this conversation in which Trump releases the whole, what's it called, the the whole call, okay? basically said, he, they're they, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their their their their, their, their, their their their, where their, where their, where that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's, their their, their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the, the whole, what's it called, the whole call, okay, basically said, they're talking about we want these servers back. What servers are they talking about,

and correct me any time I'm wrong, is the DNC servers that they were shipped out, put out and put to the Ukraine, thoughts. Right, okay, so I honestly, I have no idea where that they were shipped out, put out, and put to the Ukraine. Thoughts? Right. Okay, so I honestly, I have no idea where that comes from. I think that is such a red herring. I have no reason to believe that the DNC server ever was relocated out of the United States to Ukraine. And wherever Trump got that, this is some garbage.

I mean, believe me, there's a million great journalists debunking Russia Gate, none of whom are reporting that the server is in Ukraine. And in fact, part of what Trump says there is, and I forget if he says that in the phone call or he said it in other places, was that the leader of Crowdstrike, Dimitri Alpervich, or whichever it is, that he's a Ukrainian. But he's not a Ukrainian. He's a Russian expat. And there is one Ukraine connection to Crowdstrike that I know, which is that they put out a report shortly after accusing the Russians of doing the DNC hack.

They accused the Russians of hacking the cell phones of Ukrainian troops and using that bug on their phones to target their artillery. So whenever they were firing artillery at Russian Special Operations Forces in Eastern Ukraine in that war, that then the Russians would hit them back and with deadly accuracy, because they had these, this software bug,, in the Ukrainian soldier's cell phones. But then that was immediately debunked. And this was only a month later after they originally came out with this garbage about Russia being behind the hack in the first place.

So this was like, their next major claim was this essentially, you know, conspiracy, nuttery about the Russians seizing, you know, co-opting all the cell phones of the Ukrainian army. And then all serious computer security experts completely ridiculed them and dismissed them and roasted their asses right off of Twitter. And they had to take it back. And they literally, you had, I think Joe Biden was citing them at the time. Some of these Democrats were citing them at the the. Some of these Democrats were citing them at the time, and then they had to

officially retract that accusation. But so that just goes to show how hell bent they were on trying to point the finger at Russia over there at Crowdstrike. So I think Trump is off on some red herring that he read on some goofy website or that Giuliani heard on talk radio or some kind of thing. I don't think that that has it. And you know what, I don't know that Seth Rich had anything to do with this either, but I do have reason to believe that it was a leak and not a hack, that was someone from the DNC. Possibly Seth Riche, I don't know, but quite possibly somebody else. And there's a guy, there's a guy named Craig Murray, who you may have heard of, he's the former British ambassador to Uzbekistan, and he was a whistleblower because they were boiling people alive and this kind of thing while working

for the US and the UK. Yeah, they're dictator. There is a brutal torturer to death or for America. And so that's where that's where you might have heard of him from. But so anyway, so he was a good friend of Assange and I interviewed him and he told me, and I really should have asked him whether it was rich or not, but he told me that he met with the leaker in the woods in Washington, D.C. And I do have further confirmation that he left a dinner early that night because he had something important to go and do. I know that much is true. And he says he went and met in the woods with the leaker. He says he did not receive the leaker. If you look at up, the daily mail misquotes him saying that he received the leaker. He knows who the leaker is, and the leaker is a Democrat, and the leaker is not in any way conceivably tied to the Russians whatsoever.

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Now we're never going to solve this mystery right now, right now because neither of us were there and neither of us were in the woods when that gentleman came. But what I want to get back to is somewhat of, you know, you were just talking about boiling people alive, you know, these wars and, you know, I am very much a believer that we must show enemy combatants respect as human beings. Because when our boys and our girls get caught, I want them to be treated with the utmost respect as a human being. Yes, we are in war. Yes, war is ugly, but there are rules to war and so that these people don't get like,

we're already hearing about the bubble, the boiling of human people alive. To me, that's just absolutely disgusting. Now, we have this Navy Seal Edward Gallagher. Do you know anything about that because it's such an insane story. Supposedly everybody in his unit testifies against them. The Navy wants a drop hammer on this guy and Trump steps in and basically pardons him. To me this is another reason. When when people at the Washington National Gang boo him, when Aaron over there who I love with all my heart hates him, I go, I guarantee you none of it's about stuff like this.

It's all bad man, you know, orange man bad. Do you know anything about this? Yeah, well, okay, so the story is, and he was acquitted of this, but it seemed like a pretty compelling narrative that what he was really charged within the murder of this one Iraqi, was that the guy was wounded and he was on a stretcher, he was being worked on, and that Gallagher just pulled out a knife and stabbed him in the neck and killed him. And there was another accusation that he had killed a little girl like with a sniper rifle or at least at long range with a rifle had killed a little girl and an old man. I believe I forget which one was walking across a

bridge at the time and he just essentially shot them and laughed. And I think there's plenty of good reason to believe these accusations despite the fact that he was acquitted because, you know, the way all the, if you go back and look at all the journalism about this, and this play, I think we all already know this, that Navy SEALs are going to let each other get away with just about anything. And the fact that half of this guy squad turned on him is essentially, you know, up near the border of beyond a reasonable doubt already, that these men were willing to risk everything. You know, you talk about thin blue line.

This is a very thick green line that these guys are behind out there fighting. They don't turn each other in, special operations forces. They don't turn each other in and testify against each other on something like this over something made up. And I mean, if there are a lot of cases of that, I guess I'd be amazed. I'm not the world expert on that. But the way it usually works is everybody gets away with everything. It's at the most egregious cases. And otherwise, you know, we're just going to not file a report on that boys and go on with our lives is the standard operating procedure. And the fact that you had all of these guys willing to testify against him, I think, you know, it really bolsters the case that that narrative was true.

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So there's actually a great article by Mark Perry and the American Conservative about this. I talked with him about it the other day. It's actually the most recent interview on my site. And he's talking about how, you know, so you have Navy SEAL Team 6 and you have the Delta Force and I guess it's the 73rd Infantry Division of the Army and the Air Force special air corps these are the very top tier special forces, the Joint Special Operations Command. But then below them, you have sealed team, one, two, three, four, five, seven, eight, nine, ten, whatever. You have all kinds of Rangers and green berets and Marsok and Force Frecon in the Marines and all of these others. And there's like 60, 70,000 thousand guys in this special operations. That's So so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so. So. So. So. So, so. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, the the the they, they, they, they, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, so, some, some, some, some, some, they. So. they. they. they. their, their, they. their, their, their, they. their, their, their, the Marines and all of these others. And there's like 60, 70,000 guys in this special operations. That's So-com. And essentially the narrative is that the So-com guys, and this guy

Gallagher is from Seal Team 7. It's 6. Those are the most famous guys, the ones that killed Bin Laden and all that. But this guy is from Seal Team 7 and so-Cahm. And essentially the narrative is that these guys have been way out of control and it ain't just Gallagher, that there's less and less and less discipline all the time as these wars drag on. There's been reporting it's in my book, Fools, there and about war crimes in Afghanistan where even the top-tier guys, the Delta Force guys and the Navy's, and then, you know, disfiguring and dismembering bodies, committing, you know, desecrate, committing horrible war crimes against, you know, against the people there. And this stuff, it just kind of spreads. So then what happened was, they brought in a new guy to be in charge, a new admiral, who himself was a former seal and should have had all the credibility in the world

to say, all right, that's it, as Mark Perry puts it. Everybody has to shave your beards. Everybody has to crop your hair short. Everybody has to stand up straight. All these, you know, rules about how we're the special ops, you know, the rules, the rules about how we're the special ops. So we don't have to be ship shape, to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the they. they. they. they. they. toe. toe. they. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. And, toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to. toe. toe. toe. toe. And, toe. And, toe. And, toe. And, toe. And. And. And, toe. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And, toe. And. And. And, toe. And. And, the. Ande. Ande. Ande. Ande. And, the. Ande. And, the. And, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the toe.a. Ande. Ande. And the toe. And the toe. Ande. And toe. Ande. And toe. Ande. regulation, if you're talking about the SEALs, up to Navy regulation on every little thing in the world. And all these lines you've been crossing since Rumsfeld are now over. And now we're going to re-institute discipline.

And one of the first things we're going to do is we're going to prosecute some of our worst offenders to show that we mean business. After all, you, you, you, you, you, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and thus, thus, thus, thus, thi, thi, and thi, thi, thi, thus, thus, and thus, and thus, thus, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thiii. thi. thiiii. And, thi. And, thi. And, th deal is these are hired killers. These are trained killers for the US government, trained to deliver massive amounts of violence. With literally the ability to destroy an entire nation in an hour. No question about that. And so and and down from there too. But the point is that they must be under an order of discipline and law and control by officers. They're not supposed to be hired murderers. They're supposed to be hired soldiers, hired fighters for, you know, fighting other states,

or fighting terrorists or real threats, not just being unleashed like rabid dogs to do violence. And when they are unleashed, then we see them commit war crimes. It's happened repeatedly in Afghanistan and Iraq and other places during the terror wars where innocent people are deliberately targeted and killed. And the way that you prevent that is you have officers who do not allow that kind of stuff and they make it very very clear how tight discipline is to be handled. So in other words, if you're going to have a military, it's supposed to be bound by the law very tightly or else what do you have?

You have, you know, a lawless armed mercenary force and then at that question is just how lawless are they? Do they have to respect their commanding officer's orders at all? In fact, do they have to respect the civilian leadership's orders at all? You know, I knew a guy in the 1990s who would tell, he was a former Marine Special Operations guy. And he told me that the Delta Force, the very top-tier special operations guys, the guys who killed the branch divisions, that they called Bill Clinton, Bill. They called him by his first name to his face. I'll tell you, here's what we're going to do, Bill.

And now none of us respect Bill Clinton, right? But the point is, well, wait a minute. These guys are a thousand ranks down the thiiiiiiahahahahahahahahahahahahah. th. th. th. th. th. thousand ranks down the ladder from him, he's the elected commander in chief. And they might be the baddest guys in special operations. But what the hell do you mean they call the president by his first name? And in a disrespectful way, right, not that they've been invited to for barbecues on Friday, but this is how they speak to him in the oval office. As though, because in reality they know that, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the.e.e.e.e.e.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e. Wee. their. their. their. their. that hey without them he's not really the president anything is he what that's what makes him the president is that they do what he says but so then you know they feel that big about their own selves too and we see this with the CIA all the time look at the way the CIA took on the Senate over the torture report or you know look at the way the CIA took on Donald Trump. Can you imagine the CIA framing up a major party candidate for President of the United

States? Well, guess what? They can. No problem. That's just Tuesday to them. You know? You know, it's unbelievable. It is unbelievable. You know, it's like I'm watching all these riots going around around the country, I mean

around the world, excuse me, not in the United States, unbelievably. We're docile here, but the rest of the places everybody's rioting and striking and all that stuff and you know, I watch as cops come and I tell people man, it's like my grandfather was a cop. I have two relatives in law enforcement I have a buddy who just called me he's entering law enforcement and like I realize you know that there is lawlessness without some sort of law enforcement but I always tell people man when when the government comes the crackdown on dissidents it is the cops that come. It is the ex-Marine.

Like, when we're talking like we're seeing a real assault right now in the Second Amendment and what that represents, and everyone's like, well, when the Second Amendment was it, they were using muskets. Yeah, because they were fighting muskets. If we've seen right now through Barack Obama and Donald the th, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it is the cops, it is the cops, it is the cops, is the cops, it is the cops, it is the cops, it is is is the cops, it is is is the cops, it is is is the cops, it is is the cops, it is is is is the cops, it is is is, it is is the cops, it is is is, it is, it is is, is, is the cops, is the cops, is the Yeah, because they were fighting muskets. If we've seen right now through Barack Obama and Donald Trump is the militarization of our police force, that these Hobunk sheriff have giant military weapons to go and knock on a door of a grandma whose music's playing too loud, you know, we see that's where brutality comes from. And my buddy has a funny joke, it's like,

and if this is too crude for you, my apologies, but it's like, ass eating is kind of like police brutality. It's been around forever, just now people are filming it. That's the difference, right? And, you know, it's my friend Brett Eckerson's joke. It's his his his his his his his his his his his his his his. It's his. It's his. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's. It's, it's. It's, it's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's, it's. It's. It's. It's, it's. It's, it's. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's. It's. It's, it's. It's. It's, it's, it's. It's, it's. It's, it's a. It's a. It's a. the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. the the th. the the difference, right? And it's my friend Brett Eckerson's joke. It's his. It's so funny. It was just, so credit him for that. But, that, you know, it's just like this is where we're going to right now, which, you know, police brutality, which will lead into, but I want to talk to you about Waco if you still have some time, but what

are your thoughts on police brutality right now? Because I believe people need to really understand that, you know, when a cop takes out somebody, now listen. Dakota Pipeline. That was the civil, that was a civil, peace, protest, people were hanging out. They were doing training exercise on those people. That's when we saw the first time they were using weaponized drones on civilians. And I remember when they were talking about this, this like, this kind of sound thing. The sound that fucks up your head. They would show, it was like a drawing of it, and the people they were using it. One was holding a sign that said peace. I'm like, why are you using on those people?

And that kind of showed me the insight of what they're using it. Like, we are paying for our own captors to get new toys. What are your thoughts on that, Scott? Yeah, well, I got a few of them. I mean, the root of all evil here, of course, is the war on drugs and the prohibition of any of thia. And I mean, you've got to admit, we've made major gains in the last 25 years in legalizing pot since California first legalized medical pot. That was in 1997, something like that. And in the 20 years since then, it's, we made major progress. And yet at the same time, there's essentially zero discussion on any kind of major public level about legalizing heroin and cocaine and about getting serious about the economic reasons

and the logical reasons why prohibition just can not work and why all of the arguments for keeping the war on drugs just don't add up. We just haven't had that. And so we have a crisis in this country. We have many crises coming from this. You know, the first one, well, I don't know in what order you rank them. But I think one of the most important ones is the racial tensions in this country right now. I think huge proportions of that come from problems with police violence and that huge proportions of that police violence comes from the war on drugs. And for that matter, a huge percentage of the

violence in the neighborhoods that the cops are arresting people for real crimes, that those crimes are also related to gang war over drug turf and this kind of thing. These are all external consequences from the drug war itself. Just the same, another major part of it, of course, is fatherlessness too. And you know, not just broken homes, but fathers being away permanently off in prison and separated from their families. And that's the most dangerous force in society when it comes to street crime, of course, is father, thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And, thi, thi, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, theeeeeeeean, thean. And, thean. And, thean. And, thean. And, thean. And, thean. And, thean. And, thean. And, thir families. And that's the most dangerous force in society when it comes to street crime, of course, is fatherless teenagers and young 20-suffings, you know.

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do? Meanwhile, the people on the receiving end of this are screaming that we're being treated unfairly, please stop and the people with the power can't even hear them. And when the people with the power hear them, you know, they just get reacted against. And you've got to blame the left for this too. They just made a huge mistake after the Mike Brown killing in St. Louis in Ferguson there, to call their movement Black Lives Matter. Because as one later, it turns out horrible person pointed out at the time who was being sympathetic at the time when he said it. and you, and you, and you, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, you, to, to, to, the, to, you to, you the, you the the the the, you the, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the to to the to the to the to to to to the to the the to they got the they got the the the the the the the horrible person pointed out at the time who was being sympathetic at the time when he said it he said look what they're

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against essentially middle class white guys, I guess some Hispanics, but it was two different biker gangs, but pretty official kind of upper middle class biker gangs, I think, you know, not like real old Hells Angels, but, and they're eating at a pretty nice restaurant. But so they should have immediately said, okay, Black Lives Matter, we're with you. And we sure would appreciate some support from you. So just like Black Lives Matter should have all raced to Waco to say, we love you, we support you, we're on your side, and now you can see what we're talking about. They do this to you too. Instead of that, they said, and I saw this on Twitter, some of the leaders of Black Lives Matter, we're saying, ha ha, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th, th. And, th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th th th thi, thi. th thi. thi. thi. th thi. th th thi thi. th thi. And, th thi. And, th th th th ththey said, and I saw this on Twitter, some of the leaders of Black Lives Matter were saying, ha ha, now you know what it feels like.

It happened to you too, blah to blah blah, blah. And taking this controversial stand against them when they should have been making allies. And part of this was based on a misunderstanding too when the Bundy family sees that thing in Oregon, that government monument or whatever it was in Oregon, where later they killed that guy Finnecombe, it was the hostage rescue team Waco killers that that fired the first shots there and got them killed. But during that I was arguing with some Black Lives Matter people on Twitter and I was saying, guys, these guys are victims of the police. And there's two kinds of people in this world, okay? Government employees and everybody else. And instead of fighting with the right, when they're in your exact same situation,

you should be the bigger man. You should take this opportunity to reach out to them in solidarity and say, this is how we feel too, it's just like you. And then, you know what, it's sad really, but this young lady responded to me and she showed me a picture of the Bundy guys, and one of them had a sign that had the red circle with the line through it, and it said, no, BLM.

And she thought that that meant, you know, down with Black Lives Matter, that he was anti-black lives matter. And I'm like, no, young lady, that's the Bureau of Land Management. The federal police, the police are oppressing this guy. You think just because he's white, he has power? He doesn't have power. He is the victim of power. And then, but you know what, like, I don't know, only libertarians apparently can have

the willingness, and I guess it's the necessity to see all sides, because we're such a small minority viewpoint. We have to try to reach out to the left and the right and to see their points of view and to encourage them when they're good and scold them when they're bad and this kind of thing. And it just seems like such the obvious case. The problem here is not just race. The problem here is the cops are a government program. They're going to do nothing but grow and grow and grow and find more and more excuses and

more and more things to do. Same with every state legislature in this country. They do nothing but pass laws and past laws. The courts do nothing but uphold know uphold new restrictions all the time. Everybody's in violation of everything. If we had total enforcement of the law, all 330 million of us would be in the penitentiary. That's the source of the problem is there is no rollback of the steady encroachment by the police state on all fronts. I just want to say something real quick about, you know, Black Lives Matter and stuff like that. You know, through research, people found that basically it was sponsored by George Soros,

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who take advantage of an opportunity given to them to promote something so that people who feel disenfranchised and powerless get a moment going, look, see, these guys are stepping on your throat and their pieces of shit And they hate you because the color your skin and because someone like Hillary Clinton has white skin and my cousin's husband who's in jail for fucking cooking math is white they associate them with each other and they don't realize. It's not a power doesn't go vertical. It goes horizontal and people they don't want to understand that because they don't want to understand that because they don't realize it's not a power doesn't go vertical it goes horizontal and they don't want to understand that because there's agents of chaos such as the BLM who is out there fucking telling them all white

cops white people white dude there's more white people shot by cops than black people now I am not taken away the fact that institutional racism is 100% at the rot of our legal system and law enforcement, man. And that the destruction of the black family unit is a giant reason why we've seen chaos in the black community. And that's why when this is a comic thing, but when they go when Asians go after Shane Gillis for Asian jokes that he did and they try to equate it to this them being held down by the man And when you look at them, they have the highest standard of living and the most two parent the highest Ray of two parent family households, that's a giant indicator that you are not pressed because the black family unit has been destroyed from the top to fill their prisons. These are chaos to each other.

Like they, there are so many people just getting us to fight with each other. That if you actually sat down and you had someone, and I'm going to say this, a white supremacy group guy and you had a gangbanger sit down and you actually go, really, why are you part of these groups? They would tell you, we're, we feel hopeless. We feel powerless. And these people, these people empower us to believe in ourselves that this other group of people trying to hold us down. Whether it's gangbangers believe in all white people are against them,

who are dumb enough to think the Jews are trying to hold them down. Like these are real things, it's all psychological welfare, warfare, excuse me, to get us to fight with each other because that's why they got a false flag to fuck out of everything. Because if we all came together, we realize that we're all like what you were saying to those activists and those people, tho-like, thi........... And, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, like, like, like, like, like, their, like, their, th. And, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th...... And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. th. And, th. We. And, th. We..... th. th.......... th......... th. th. th. th. th. And, to. And, to. And, to those activists and those people who are bitching about white people, it's like, dude, you're on the same plane as these people. The police corrupt, the police brutality is as bad against poor whites as it is against poor blacks or maybe disproportioned towards poor blacks, but definitely a large section of the white community is disenfranchised. If you go to where I grew up, it is poor, white, trash, born in the world with two strikes against them, no hope, drug addicted family, no clean

clothes, no clean underwear, going to school with no fucking money. Where am I talking about? their talk about Cortland, New York, am I talking about Gary, Indiana? It's the same fucking thing. But these powers get us to fight with each other all the time, and it's fucking mental warfare. Yeah, well, there's two major things I have to say about that. One is people are so damn dumb. They fall for it every time. They just love it. And in fact, like, if there was nobody pushing this stuff from the top, it's the simplest, easiest explanation because you can see it with their their th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th top, it's the simplest, easiest explanation because you can see it with your own eyes. What's the difference between you and a cop? Is it the skin or is it the color of the uniform?

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between who, I mean in the good way, discriminate between who's who and what it all means versus just lumping things together. And then as far as the sigh-up thing goes, I don't really know, but I do have to tell you that I kind of suspect that somebody did decide in this century that, you know, what we really want to do in the university is we want to promote this social justice stuff and environmentalism to absolutely the end degree in order to marginalize that anti-war sentiment on the left that we were talking about before. To just, if the most dangerous threat to marginalize that anti-war sentiment on the left that we were talking about before. To just, if the most dangerous threat to the national security state in the Bush years

is a growing left-wing consensus that we just can't keep doing this stuff, then how do we get at them? And how we get at them is we get them crying about somebody called them names and make them the biggest issue. And because everybody is always calling their their their their their their their their their their their they they they they they they they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll somebody call them names and make the biggest issue. And because everybody is always calling everybody names, so they'll never, you'll never run out of controversy along those. And let's not look at, Scott, also take a look at the fact that what are we doing these kids? We're setting them up for failure, meaning we're setting them up to believe that everybody wants to hear them bitch and moan all the time. So they. So they they they they they they. So they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they go. So they go. So they go. So, so they go. they go. th. they're, they're they're they're, their. they. their. their. they. And, they. And, they, they, they. And, their, th. And, their. And, their, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, to to to to to to to to to to to te. And, to to to to to to to to to to to their, they're they're that. And, they're that, to hear them bitch and moan all the time. So they go in these very protective

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you go to the fucking plushious schools, you go to Yale, you go to the to ivy league schools, you get the best jobs real quick. You go to the most exclusive restaurants and exclusive nightclubs and you just, you know, everybody you know, get you a job and the best gigs. You don't ever feel real world consequences, okay, ever. So emotions are real world consequences because emotions make you feel and you can't legislate out emotions. Okay? So what are these people want to do? They want to turn to the government to get away from these things? Because what are the two things that can hurt them? Emotions and physical violence. And we're all against physical violence, unnecessary physical violence, okay?

But stuff like guns, okay, and meany jokes. They want to legislate those out and give all the power to the government. But what I always say is when the government comes to attack, when I said this earlier, when they come to crack on dissidents, they send the police. And what did we see with Waco? Waco was the government dealing with dissidents, they send the police and what did we see with Waco? Waco was the government dealing with dissidents and it was painted as crazy religious gun people but was there more to that? Well Hong Kong look at the Hong Kong they got no guns the cops are literally shooting at people yeah and they just sit there

and get shot at and just post videos and hope that the United States shows up look at what's going on in Asia they look they look at what's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th that that the that thi the the the the the the the the the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the thi the thi thi thi thi te te. tea tea tea tea tea tea tea tea tea thia thia thia thi States shows up. Look at what's going on in Europe. Look at what's going on in Asia. They look every time they take away guns, there's mass genocide and then there's a police state. But back to the branch of Vidian. What went down there? Yeah, well, first of all, I think you're right that, you know, what you saw at Waco is what you would see constantly if you had a new assault weapons ban and a real attempt to confiscate semi-automatic rifles from Americans, is you would see Waco's everywhere and it'd be an absolute catastrophe.

So there's a real warning in this. It's not just a curiosity of a thing that happened one time. There's important lessons for everyone in this. And, you know, one of them, it does regard what we were talking about before about the liberals. And one of the things about the story of Waco is that at the end of the George H.W. Bush years was the Ruby Ridge massacre. And, well, it wasn't really a masquer, but the federal marshals killed a guy named Randy Weaver's son and his dog and then the next day or I'm sorry a couple of days later the FBI sharp shooters from the hostage rescue team shot his wife in the head as she held her baby on the front porch under under military rules of engagement you know shoot on site and this

kind of thing and so this was the Ruby Ridge crisis, PR fiasco from the government's point of view. And even though it was the FBI and the marshals who had actually done the killings, it was the ATF who had set up the guy in the first place. They had attempted to, at first they had entrapped him in order to try to flip him and to into an informant. And then he refused to go along with that, so they charged him. Then they sent him the wrong court date. Then when he missed his court date, because they deliberately sent him the wrong date, then they sent the marshals up the hill. And that was how the whole crisis broke out. So the whole thing was thing was th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. So, thi. So, thi. thi. the, thi. So, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. thean. toooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. te. toda. toda. the. the. the. the. t is at the end of 92. Now beginning in 93, the Bill Clinton, Al Gore government is coming in.

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Dividians. The whole thing was a publicity stunt in the first place and what the lesson was supposed to be was, look at us, attacking rednecks. This guy has a mullet and drives a Transam and drinks Miller Light or whatever. And so we're going to make an example out of him to show these Democrats that their fantasies of gun control, that it will be all implemented against white, right wingers, that that's essentially what we're here for, right is to play into this whole new Bill Clinton, Hillary, kind of kind of zeit-guist of the moment.

And so that was why they had picked this fight with David Koresh, was because he looked like a redneck. Now, what's, you know, an irony about all this is that in fact, almost half the population of the Branch Davidian's house there were black. And part of the reason that the ATF really targeted him was because they were the ones who were white supremacists and they were accusing David Koresh of miscegenation and race mixing and that that couldn't be allowed. So in the name of gun control, they were going to go in there and smash this guy's church and all his peek. And so, now this is one month and one week

into the Clinton administration. And I don't know if he gave any kind of sign off on them going, I'm sure they were caught by surprise by this in the White House. It was the ATF that had launched this thing. And what happened was, they had no element of surprise whatsoever. The Dividians knew they were coming for weeks anyway. There was an undercover agent for the ATF named Robert Rodriguez, and David Koresh had tried to convert him. And by the way, they were all firing guns at the gun range out back, no problem there.

And Karesh had said, listen, Robert, I know that you're an ATF undercover agent or FBI, or whatever it is, and I want you to join my group and this and that and whatever. Now I know you guys are planning something here, but I really wish you wouldn't and all this. This is going on for a long time before the attack. Then the morning of, they saw a postman and said, hey, something big's going down over at the Branch Dividion property lately. But guess what? The postman was a Branch Dividian. And he went home and said, hey, man, there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. to th. th. th. the morning, the morning, the morning, the morning, the morning, on out there. Today, they're out there preparing for some kind of terrible things going to have. Oh my God. So, so then you had the local TV news cameras, and I think they came from as far as Dallas,

and certainly all the local TV news cameras. They were already there in the Branch Davidian's front yard ofi. Wow. So the branched the branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch branch. T. T. the the the the the they they are they are they are they are they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they the they're they're they're the they're they're they're they're. T. T. T. T. T. T. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're. they're. they're they're. they're. they're. they. they. they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. t. t. t. tod. today. today. today. today. today. the the the today. the the the the the the to. the the t got there. Wow. So the Branch of Idiotians, there was zero element of surprise whatsoever. Then the ATF, they roll up in these cattle trailers, flatbed cattle trailers covered in tarps. If the Branch of Idiots have wanted to masquer every single last one of them, right then they could have. And the idea that they had was just proven right there to be a lie. In fact, all of the cops were able to get out of their trucks and then they started approaching the house and the first thing they did was shoot the dogs. And the Malamew huskies in the uh... pens

and then koresh opened the door and said wait wait there's women and children in danger in here don't do it and they shot right under his arm and shot his father-in-law in the sternum and drop them dead right there so at that point koresh closed the door fall in the door falls back into the house and the cops all just open fire on the house. And so at that point, some of the Branch Davidians grabbed their rifles and began to defend themselves. And those are just the facts. So the ATF were the ones who fired the whole thing. And one more thing before I turn back over you here for a second, just about that morning is the morning of the rai. the morning. the the the the the the the the the the rai rai the the the the the rai the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tha tha. tha. thrananananan. thran. the thri. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the trifiafilsilsilsilsranananananananananananananananan. triau. tria tria tria tria tria tria tria. tria. tria. tria. tria. was the head of the Branch Davidians gun business. He ran the gun business.

And he left their property that morning with a duly pickup truck, so like a F-250 or 350 duly, with a camper shell on back, and towing a U-Haul trailer, both full of rifles, hundreds, and hundreds and hundreds of rifles. And why was he doing this? To conceal the evidence and go dump it all on the lake? No, he was on his way down here to Austin to sell them at the gun show. That was his legal Texas gun business. Just like tens of thousands of other Texans are in the gun business. Nothing criminal about it whatsoever. And when Paul Fada got down here to Austin and set up his table the table table the table table table the table tab tab the ta ta ta the ta ta ta ta the ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta the the ta te hu te h. to to to to to toe h. toe toe toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the the the the the te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. the te. to to the to toe. to the gun business. Nothing criminal about it whatsoever. And when Paul Fata got down here to Austin and set up his table at the gun show and

then heard that something had happened at the Branch Dividian place up in Waco, he called the FBI and said I'm Paul Fata, I run the gun business for the branch Davidians, are you looking for me? I'll turn myself in right now. And they told him no, you're fine you're go and whatever he clearly hadn't done anything later they charged him with conspiracy to murder federal agents and even after he was acquitted he was sentenced to 10 years or more I forget exactly he did more than 10 years on a charge that he was acquitted of if you want to ask me about how that happened at the trial I can explain oh my god we need to do a whole episode on just this. Oh, man, he is Scott Horton. Scott, this has been one of my favorite episodes, man.

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Wow. Um, thii's. Me? Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. We have a thing on the show called Aaron Thoughts. He gives us a his wrap-up from a... Oh, I'm sorry. I just couldn't hear. No, it's fine. Sorry, I really enjoyed Scott. That's all I have to say.

Wow. You've really grown soft in your in your absence, Aaron, the fact that Aaron a Hollywood bleeding liberal loves a Texas Libertarian means we all have a chance. You might be coming over for Trump. You know, Scott, thank you very. I'm sorry, I couldn't hear what he said, but thanks. He said, hey, Scott, he said, he really enjoyed the interview and he thought you were great and that to me is a grand slam home run.

That's rare for, that's very much for all of you guys. Thanks to coming out. Let's set something up in the new year to go deep into the Branch of Vinny and he's Scott Horton. That's XG. I'm Sam Tripoli. Guys, we'll talk to you guys soon. It was a pleasure to be back in the studio. Hopefully we'll do it again soon. Guys, take care and we'll see you guys soon.