Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #287: Dread Pirate Roberts And The Silk Road With Lyn Ulbricht

Episode Date: March 12, 2020

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That's the best way to get followers. Just make it impossible for them to know how you're, how to spell stuff. So. Okay, good point this is a professional show Aaron I don't know if you knows but since we left we don't joke around about farts on the show that's disrespectful to our guests okay my apologies today's episodes a very interesting episode you know what we're seeing in the world right now is a attack on independent sources, whether it's independent content creators, Bitcoin, the internet, you name it, there's a crackdown and this is what we have, as you guys know, Silk Road and that whole debauchery that went on with that case

and here to talk about it. She is from the free Ross.org. Ross Uberk's mother, Lynn Uberk. How are you, Lynn? I'm great. Thanks so much for having me. I am very honored to have you on. You know, I've read many articles.

Obviously watched the movie that was out, and man, you're doing the Lord's work and we really appreciate you spending a little time coming and hanging out with us. For you to do not know the listeners, Silk Road was part of this deep web or dark web, the difference between Lynn and you correct me if I'm wrong, the deep web is just files and information, the dark web is where more what they would say, quote unquote illegal activity might happen on there or stuff you can't necessarily get in the legal market. Am I right on that or am I wrong? Oh, actually, you know, and what I understand, I don't know if they're that different, but it's not only for illegal things. I mean, dissidents

around the world use it, Tor, and then that part of the internet, you know, journalists, lots of people use it that want privacy. And so it's got this reputation, but it's not only criminal activity, and yeah, and, you know, and, you know, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, that, that, that, that, that, that, you, that, that, you, that, that, that, that, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and, and so it's got this reputation, but it's not only criminal activity. And yeah, and Silk Road was about privacy and Bitcoin and all that. And so, yes, it wasn't on your regular internet. You had to use TOR to access it, which is the onion router, which is a more private way to do it.

Okay, so, thanks for clearing it up. I just wasn't, I didn't know to to to to to to to to use to use to use to use to use to use to use the to use the the to use the difference to use to use the difference the difference the difference the difference to use to use the difference to use to use to use to use, I their their their their their, I their, I the onion router, which is a more private way to do it. Okay, so thanks for clearing that up. I just wasn't, I didn't know if there's a difference between the two. Can you tell us a little bit about your son? A little bit about your son and what he was found guilty? I'd like to know what he's found guilty first and then we'll get into what I believe is a complete other travesty of justice that happened here. But what was he ultimately found guilty of? Let's start at that and then we'll backtrack from there.

OK. Well, the convictions and what he was sentenced for, two different things because the government typically loads on extra stuff to make the defendant sound worse. It's very typical behavior on their part and to prejudice the jury. So ultimately, he was sentenced to essentially, mostly conspiracy charges, which the government also uses

to widen the criminal umbrella. And so if you have something to, let's say you drive the getaway car, and somebody murders somebody, and you had no intention of doing that, you are still held totally guilty for that murder because you were in the conspiracy. And it's very easy to be in a conspiracy. So basically he was charged with a conspiracy to traffic narcotics because a platform that he created was used by other people, not himself, to do that. By the way, it was mostly almost overwhelmingly user amounts of cannabis that were sold on Silk Road as far as drugs were concerned. There was legal items as well. Art, electronics, books, all kinds of things. But there were drugs and that was the point of the sentencing.

He also, there were conspiracy to hack computers, not because he hacked any computers, but that there was software sold on the site that might be used to hack computers. It never was proven to have done that. Money laundering because, not that he did it, but that others changed, Bitcoin for Fiat and vice versa. Same with fake IDs, not that he did it, but that. But, but, but, but, but, but, but it, but it, but that, but that was it, but that was it, but that was it was it was it was that was that that that that that that that, but that that that, but that that, but that that, but that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was was, that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that that that they was theyed it was theyyed it was theyyed it was theycenecenecenecenecenecenecenecenecenecenecenecenecenecenecenecene was that was that was that was that was that was that others changed, exchange for example, Bitcoin for Fiat and vice versa.

Same with fake IDs, not that he did it, but that there were some on there. Yes. And then they, the final blow was, late in the game, they threw on the kingpin charge, which has its own life sentence. So Ross's sentence is that double life plus 40 years without parole, first-time offender, all nonviolent charges for something he did on the internet when he was

26 years old, his whole life has been taken, and for this. There's no victims named a trial. And so the Kingpin charge, they're equating him with El Chappo, who by the way not half the sentence Ross did, and Pablo Sbar and people like that. Because he, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, all thi, all the the their their thi, all their their their their their their their, all their, all their, all the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their, all their, all their, all their, all their, all their, all thi, all thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thiologe thi thi thi thiologe, thiole, thiole, thi, thi, thi, thi, pin charge, they're acquainting him with El Chappo, who by the way, not half the sentence Ross did, and Pablo S-Bar and people like that, because he was a website post and creator. So that's those are basically why he is serving double life. That's the list. Can you tell us a little bit about your son? Like what kind of kid was he? You know Ross is a great guy. He's always tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. He's thi. to thi. He's, thoen thoen, tho. told. to to thus. th. th. th. the the th. the the the th. the th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. He's, th. He's, th. He's, th. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's, toe. He's, th. He's a toe. He's a toe. He's a toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. t. toe. the the the t. the guy. He's always has been. He's always been very

late back. Easy going, easy to raise. There's a hundred letters on our website from people who actually know him, begging the judge at the time of sentencing to give him the minimum she could, which would have been 20 years, but that wasn't enough for her. You know, she said, I'm going to give him the hardest sentence I can, and have him leave the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be toe, easy toe, easy toe, easy that wasn't enough for her. You know, she said, I'm going to give him the harshest sentence I can, and have him leave President's corpse, essentially, give him a walking death sentence for this. But those letters are very telling because Ross is known for being, he's very idealistic, and that was really the the impetus behind Silk Rose and idealism of libertarian values and privacy and Bitcoin, but he also is very sweet. He's compassionate, he was involved in

charities, he cares about people, and he's known for that, and kind of for the underdog, and so you'd like him, you'd like him a lot, he's funny, and I'm sure you guys would get along right. I mean he's a good person and I know I'm his mom but there's a there's a hundred almost people I'm one of them so who say that and he had a used book store I mean I don't know anybody who is like a psychopath who gets into the used book business. That seems to be people who tend to like lean to the artistic side, wants to keep the past, keep a connection to the past.

He's very liberal. By the way, that book business gave donated 10% of profits to a prison literacy program in Austin. This is the way before Silk Road. It was a charitably Focused thing. Yeah, not eating grass is one of the most mentally healthy and You know decent human beings you never meet seriously. He really is very interesting He lived with like nothing was like very like minimalist, yeah, he had anything, very liberate. He made Silk Road because he thought that the government shouldn't tell you what to put in your body.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, but- And that was his like whole thing where it was like free market, free everything. Yeah, we'll get, I have, I got some stuff about ally right. When you heard that he was getting charged with this, what were your thoughts? Oh, well, I mean the whole thing hit us like, you know, a tidal wave the day he was arrested because I mean, Ross had never been in trouble. This is his first offense ever and so that was through us completely. By the time he was charged at trial, the trial was a travesty. I was shocked. this this this this this this this his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his his first th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi thi thi thi thoes thou thi thou thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thoes. thoes. thoes. thoes. thoes. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. What were thi. What were the. What were the the the the the the the thou. What were the the thoue the the thou. What were the the the.. By the time he was charged at trial, the trial was a travesty. I was shocked.

I went into that trial, walking past a giant statue of justice every day and was appalled at what happened in that room. And I want to get into the trial. Lynn, hold on. I want to get into trial real quick, but I really want to talk about what was going on on this website, because I think what's going on on the website is what scared the authority so much. And listen, man, we've done this show, we've done almost 300 episodes. I'll tell you that the drug trade is an inside job. It's the CIA is controlling both sides of it. We can go all the way back to the Jesuits who control both the CIA and the drug cartels. You know, you brought up El Chapa.

We stayed all the time on the show. He was just a district manager. He wasn't running anything. He was put there in charge to run stuff. And this website was attempt, you know what I've read and you know I've watched docs on it that they were trying to like kind of end a drug war because the drug war has been nothing but but cost money and lives. It's very violent we talk about on the show all the time it's like why do

Mexicans want to come to the United States so badly. Mexico is a country where you go to visit on vacations, the vacation destination. Why are these people risking their lives to come here? It's because we've completely destroyed that country with gun violence to keep the drug trade going because the CIA makes money off the drugs, not only selling the drugs but arresting people for drugs and putting them into jail. and the th. And and th. And th. And th. And th. And th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their tho, their their their their their their, their, their, their their their their, their their their their their, their their their their their their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the. theateateateateateateateateateateateateateatea, tria, tria, tria, toe. toeateate. toeate. off not only selling the drugs, but arresting people for drugs and putting them into jail. And that's what I think really scared people about this website because they weren't going

to be able to get their piece, which is exactly what Bitcoin makes them nervous about. The big banks can't get their piece of the action and it's peer-to-peer. The website Silk Rose was very much an attempt to get to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the their piece of the action and it's peer-to-peer. The website Silk Rose was very much an attempt to get to an anarchy capitalism. Do you know what that's all about? Are you guys asking me? Yeah, well, I wanted to say, you know, it's the site was actually not created, I mean, is what Ross has told me, specifically for drugs, it was specifically for a free market and if people chose to exchange drugs between two people that was fine on Silk Road obviously.

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and we chose to do that, it was allowed. And that was the whole principle. And it was really a philosophical thing. And the judge even said, we know we started the site for philosophical reasons, and we're just not sure that's a philosophy you've left behind. And so she justified her sentence in part based on this libertarian philosophy which should concern us all because we should be able to have our philosophy and not be afraid of being from a cage for the

rest of our lives. But and the drug war, it's not only the CIA or whatever, it's huge amounts of jobs. It's a jobs program. It's all kinds of people feeding off mass incarceration. I see it all the time when I go to the prisons. You know, there's just various things that it costs a lot of money to cage people. Very, very expensive. And that taxpayers paying it. And yeah, and it doesn't stop drug use.

That's been well proven, but the government does benefit, and a lot of people benefit, and it also government powers expanded, they can shred our constitutional rights, like the civil asset forfeiture for one example. So it's a big power grab and money grab, and it doesn't stop anyone from using drugs, and it does increase violence, you're right, just like alcohol prohibition, created the mafia, this creates the cartels.

So that probably wasn't even your question. I'm sorry. What was your? 100%? So I so basically the rules of a silk robe and you'd state this earlier but I just want to revisit it is you know no violence right no violence no kitty porn nothing like that it was meant to be like just a idealistic marketplace where honesty and and honest transactions happen and when you look at like the the the charges put against them, that goes against everything everything that the website was about. Yeah, absolutely. And Ross is known as a very peaceful person. In fact, when he was in prison, he was thrown into a extremely dangerous violent prison because of his life sentence in Colorado. It was very gang heavy, very, lots of murders and stabbings and beatings routinely.

It was very dangerous. And there was a thing where he was being pressured, well, extremely pressured with another guy to beat up another prisoner they decided as a smitch. And he said, I'm not beating up some guy. I don't even know. I'm not going to do this. That put him in danger. He refused to do it.

And so then he was put in protective custody, which was essentially an eight by 10 metal box with no window for three and a half months before he was moved to a place that's considered safe, you know, because he's to be to be to be they...... the to be the to be the to be the the to do to do the the to do. to do. the the to do. the the to do. to do. to do to do to do to do to do to do not, to do not, the thi. to do not, to be a to be a, to bea, the the the the the the the thi. I I, tooomomomom. I, too, too, too... I, too.. I, to do.. I, to do. I, thi.. I, thi. I, thi. I, thi. I, thi. I, thi. I, thi. I, thi. I, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, theeeananan. toea. toea. toea. toea. I'm toea. I'm toea. I'm not,, you know, because he's now a target. He is now targeting the system because you do not say no to doing this. So, you know, he risked his own life to not beat up somebody. So, you know, that just shows how peaceful he is and not a threat to anyone, you know. Well, that's what they do too. Like, if you don't pay your taxes taxxxxxxxxxxx, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, that's what they do too. Like, if you don't pay your taxes, that's what they do. They throw you in the jail and they make it miserable for you. If you don't, like, dude, it's basically a weird kind of violence blackmail that is done. Your son has been accused of being the dread pirate Roberts. Can you tell us, the listeners, who and what is the Dread Pirate Roberts?

Yeah, and from what I understand, by the time that name was said, Ross wasn't even involved until later. But that gets complicated, but we do have a thing on our website called Simcoe Road The Real Untold story, and if people want to dig into it, there's all kinds of footnotes and stuff like that. But, the their, and what, and what, and what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is their, and what is their, and what is their, and what is their, and what is their, and what is their, and what is their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. And what is th. And what is threat, what is threat, what is threat, what is threat, and what is threat threat threat threat threat, and what is that. And what is that, and what is do have a thing on our website called Silicon Road, The Real Untold Story, and if people want to dig into it, there's all kinds of footnotes and stuff like that. But the Dread Pirate Roberts was a character in the Princess Bride movie that was based on the idea of passing along the title to the next guy, and that's what was done. And so, that was the Dread.Rod, the the the d.D.D.D. D. D. Dr. D. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. D. D. D. D. D. that. D. D. D. That is that was that was that's that's that's that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was the. the. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that, yeah, and so that was the, what DPR or Dread Pilot Roberts was. It was the person, supposedly the head administrator, totally anonymous, no proof that it was ever Ross. All these chats contributed to DPR are anonymous, no witnesses, nothing, could be anyone, and I think it's pretty clear that wasn't him, and a lot of them. And, yeah, so it was the main, it was it was it was it was it was the main, it was the main, it was the main, it was the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, no witnesses, nothing can be anyone, and I think it's pretty clear that wasn't him, and a lot of them.

And yeah, so it was the main, there were many handles, and that was the one of the main administrator who there were, there's good evidence, and it was in Deepweb in the movie, that there was many people used that handle. You know, it was lots of administrators throughout the three years it was up. Yeah, it's basically based off the character from the Prince's Bride and the whole thing was like you would be the Dreadpire at Roberts for a while and then you would pass it on to somebody else. Your job is not to be there forever, you're only meant to be there for a short time, which is what I think the booker at the comedy store so like when he started the Silk Road

thing the person that would run but you keep saying that I don't think he started well okay well not that is but whenever he admits to creating it oh he so he did so he did create it yeah he did create it he did create it was his idea it was his um you know free market idealism you know we we we we we we we we we we we we we he he he he he he he he he he he th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the to to the to to the to thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi free market, idealism, you know, we're going to make this thing. He did have help because he's not a computer programmer. And that came out in trial, but he is responsible for the idea of the site. So when he started that, he did, when you created the website, he started that it would be called administrator or whatever was the main the user. And then it is said that he sold the company or the website to somebody and when he sold it is when it became the dread pirate person and that's when technically Ross wasn't part of the company anymore is that right? I'm not sure of the exact timing but I know that by the time DPR was announced,

he was not involved, and then, I hope to say, sorry, that's correct. Did he sell it? Did he sell it? I have not talked to him about exactly, because it's this technical way that it got exchanged, and I'm not actually sure, to be honest. I can't speak to go away that it got exchanged and I'm not actually sure to be honest I can't speak to that I'm not sure if it was I don't know yeah but at one point it did get I mean there's a guy who's come out now in trial saying he was co-owner his name's Thomas Clark it's just coming out in the southern district now so I don't know what exact exa changes happened between them I don't know every single detail of all this stuff because it's the the the the the the the the th the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th they they they they they they they they they they they they they th thi th thi thi the the to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. I th. th. I'm th. I'm th. th. th. I'm th. I'm th. th. I'm th. I'm th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi thi thi thi they're thi thi thi the the theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee thi th't know every single detail of all this stuff because it's,

you know, I don't get to talk to Ross except when, when, you know, in prison. So, but I'm not sure if there's money exchange or what exactly the agreement was at the time. Well, I mean, what we're seeing is obviously a case built on such circumstantial evidence, it doesn't even make sense. There's nothing that actually ties him to what they're saying happened. And, you know, obvious. So let me get into this. When he was arrested, what happened at the arrest? It's a very famous kind of story, right? Well, he was in the library, you know, that's a other thing. This kid is supposedly running a multi-million dollar worldwide empire from a laptop in a library.

He's the only one, it's like ridiculous. But anyway, he went, I don't think it's possible. But anyway, he, um, in the library, and he was downloading the Colbert report. And they came in and, oh, and then a agent who had been undercover in Silk Road, and actually never thought it was Ross ever, even after Ross's arrest. And this is all documented on our site, said, because Ross had been come back on. He had come back and gotten involved as an advisor and stuff like that.

I'm not sure all the details that are in that document. And so he said, log on. And once he logged on, they grabbed him. So, so that is a big, I mean, that sounds to me like entrapment, it does. It does. I understand, and they think it's not a big deal. Yeah. So a big part of this case is, and this is what is very important in understanding what's

happening in this case, is that how did the FBI figure out where the servers were and that's a big sticking point this because because what is the defense is contending is that the the FBI hacked in to the server which would make it illegal to any of that evidence found would be gotten illegally and should not be introduced into the trial. Like, you know, if someone goes into your house and grabs something about a warrant, they technically aren't allowed to use that, that evidence because they violate the law. And we've seen that now with our phones, right? More, Supreme Court, and then always Supreme Court, they, our phones right more Supreme Court and then

all the way the Supreme Court they they can't just go into your phone they can't make you open it they can't pull information out there without a search warrant so that is the the big sticking point in this one of many sticking points in this case is that how did they get into the how they find where the server was and how they get in this one of many sticking points in this case. Is that how did they get into the server, how they find where the server was and how they get into the server? And what was the argument?

Do you remember, Lynn? Yeah, well, I don't know the exact technical terms, but Christopher Tarbell, who is the head of the investigation, he got found a cap shop or something? I don't remember exactly th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thii, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, how thi, how thi, how thi, how thi, how thi, how thi, how thi, how thi, how thi, how thi, how th. How, how th. How, how th.. How, how, how, how, th... How, th... How, th. How, th. How, th. How, th. I, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. How thi. How thi. How thi. How he got found a capture or something. I don't remember exactly. It was sort of stumbled upon this thing. And experts around the world said this is garbage. This is obviously lies.

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So it was obviously a lie and experts and so, so I, probably the NSA did and that is illegal. And just another point, the NSA was unleashed onto Silk Road, which is illegal. A few months before, this came out in Snowden's papers, the intercept published it, a few months before Silk Road was taken down, they were urgently tracking Bitcoin users, which will take us to another reason I think they went after them so hard, but, and the NSA came out in Snowman brought it out, is that they were tracking Bitcoin users. So they were involved, that NSA was involved illegally and secretly. Real quick point with your saying that they can't track our cell phones.

That is true. It was a case that was brought up to the Supreme Court called Carbenter versus U.S. At the same time, Ross's case was before the Supreme Court. And his was about tracking you with your laptop. And they didn't address it, even though a laptop in the photo pretty much the same thing. And so they still, they can still, without a warrant secretly, with no oversight, go into anything you do on the internet through your laptop, and even your phone, I guess, if it's on the internet, and scarf up whatever they like,

use it however they like, blackmail people with it, you know, all the relevant information that's there, you know, and use it and no one knows. That is still, basically the courts are not keeping up with the digital age and we're losing our privacy three. You know, I mean, you know, so, you know, it's really interesting. If somebody, a cop came to your house and just walked in your house and started going through your stuff you would flip out but for some reason

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fathers didn't specify your computer, you know, but it's exactly the same principle. If they came into your house into a file cabinet, I don't even have a file cabinet, but you know, papers, they would absolutely have a type of worm. So how is a computer not analogous to a file cabinet? It's exactly the same thing, and yet we are not protected for our computers. Well I mean it's also that the people don't care because they don't see you going through your computer so it doesn't bother them if somebody cops that come in kicked in your door and

start going through your stuff. Then it's an issue because it's physically agitating to them and they get upset. But the fact that they can't see somebody doing that. And they can't they can't their it it it it it it it it it's their it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's their it's their it's their it's their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their physically their physically their physically their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their people. their people. It's their their their people. It's physically their their their their their their their their. It's physically. It's physically. It's physically. It's physically is physically is physically is physically is physically it's physically it's physically it's physically it's physically it's physically it's physically. their. their. their. their their their their th. their their their their their their their their their their physically is physically is physically their. their physically. the fact that they can't see somebody doing that and they can't see that all their data is being sold, I don't know why these companies can sell our data without getting our approval first. One thing I want to get into is what actually the operation to arrest your son was. There was many, many operatives, undercover operatives on Silk Road looking to engage in action with your son, am I correct on that? With the

the... There were many operatives? Yes, that there were many operatives trying to engage him and baiting him into trying to do something that they could arrest him on. I know there were many, yeah, yeah, that's true. Like the one who said get on the computer, he'd been on the site for, he didn't think it was Ross though, he had another suspect, but two years and thousands of hours, they were different agencies were competing to find Red Private Roberts because it was political. It become very political and they wanted the prize, right? So they got very competitive. But two of the main people, the core of the investigation are now in prison because they got

backdoor access and used it to steal, well what would be now, there were millions of dollars of Bitcoin from vendors. And they had the ability to change passwords, keys, to act as DPR, act as that main administrator, and many other aliases. They could rewrite what was in chats on the marketplace. They could change the evidence, which was shown to the jury. But they were not allowed to be known to the jury.

The fact that these corrupt agents were all over the site and potentially tampering which later we found proof of tampering, wasn't allowed to be known to the jury. The jury never knew about this. And of course if they had, I think it would have created a lot of reasonable doubt of Ross's, of the evidence being not tainted, it was tainted. And, you know, Ross may have not have been convicted. But it was hidden from the jury. The prosecutors even hid one of them from the judge.

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so they could, they could destroy, I mean, to, uh, they create crime so they could arrest it and keep business going, keep the, keep their budgets up and stuff like that. And that's what we're seeing right here. There is, you know, one of the charges that your sum was brought up on was attempted to solicit murder for hire, correct? I charge, not a charge, never charge, well I take that back, it was not charged at trial. But that was one of the jury did not rule on it. It was charged in an indictment in Maryland that is now dismissed with prejudice, which means it can never be brought up again. It's complete, but he was never actually charged a trial for that.

It was only, he was indicted, and then when they came, well, excuse me, it was alleged and then when it came time to indict him in the Southern District, it wasn't there. But that was a, the media talks about it because it's, you know, they said, oh yeah, he did it, and then when it came time to actually charge him at trial, it wasn't there. They didn't talk about it to the jury, like, oh yeah, believe us. We, you know, nobody was killed, blah, blah, blah, but believe us. He really planned this. But that wasn't a charge. But that was the judge used. the judge used, the judge used, to just to justify, to justify, to justify, to justify, to justify, to justify, to justify, to justify, to justify, to justify, to justify, to justify, to justify, the judge used, the judge used, the judge used, the ju just, the jury. the judge, to justify. the ju just, to justify. the jury. the jury. the judge. the judge. the judge. the judge. the judge. the judge. the judge, the ju. the jury. the jury. the jury. the jury. the jury. the jury. the jury. The, the jury. The, the jury, the jury. The ju. The ju. The ju. The ju. The ju. The ju. The ju. The ju. The ju. The ju. The ju. The ju. The ju. The ju. The ju. The ju. The ju. The ju. The ju. The just just just just just just just just used used used used used used used, just just just just just just just used, just just just just use, just just just just use, just just just just, just use, just just just use, just just just, to justify, to justify, to justify, to justify, to was brought to the Supreme Court because we have a Sixth Amendment that protects the accused from a judge using uncharged allegations, which this was,

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It deprived him of bail, it deprived him of the witness list in advance because for that reason you just said it, oh he might be dangerous. I'm not sure how he was in custody completely. But most people will get the witness list weeks if not months in advance. Our team got it the weekend before. Because you get through research until we're going to cross-examine and enhanced that, they deprived the other cause of it, and then they enhanced the sentence. She justified the sentence. And the second circuit went, yeah, I can see that, you know, whatever. It was never proven by it and ruled on. It was never prosecuted. It's gone, but not in the media. And this is what this is what they do. And I'm told this is what they do. You're right. I mean the judge, I mean dude,

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it's just about the government trying to control a narrative and make somebody pay a price so that they are basically an example to others not to do this or else the same thing will happen to you. Who was this judge? And what were some of the weirder rulings that she did? Yeah and you know you're right they want their trophy and the prosecutors want their trophy this is those you know furthers their careers? The judge judge is judge is judge is judge is judge is th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thing thing thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the, you're the, you're thi thi thi. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thi, th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. their their thi and the prosecutors want their trophy. This goes to, you know, furthers their careers. The judge is Judge Catherine Forrest. She is now, thankfully for justice, retired, but some of the weirder rulings were, Ross's libertarian views were not allowed to be known to the jury.

None of the legal items that were sold on Silk Road were allowed to be known to the jury. Only drugs. Marijuana, which was the main thing that was exchanged, was, I think, was mentioned once. They really focused on hard drugs. And I'm not defending hard drugs. I'm not defending even Silk Road. But it was a very skewed narrative. She also, there was a very strong evidence from a witness that there were more than one dread pirate Roberts. She shot that down because the prosecutor didn't want that known to the jury.

She would let our Bitcoin witness come and actually explain properly what Bitcoin was about. She allowed a government agent to explain it. And he didn't even know where to... Roger Beer tweeted, he goes, either the government's lying or they don't understand Bitcoin at all, because this doesn't even make sense what the guy said. And the jury didn't have a clue. She goes, well, the jury understands Bitcoin just fine. We don't need your witness.

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And there are so many violations of protocol with that laptop, including one of those agents had it for like three hours unsupervised, which is totally against protocol. He could have done whatever he wanted with that laptop. It was also crashed. By the time it got to trial, it was on the laptop, it was a copy of a copy of a copy. It had gone through all kinds of iterations.

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they're going to get a worse, way worse punishment and they're going to probably lose. There are odds of, it's so stacked against you that the odds of winning a trial are so slim, that people plead to things, and I've had people say, to th. This is not what America is supposed to be. This is not, we're supposed to have fair trials and be able to be heard. And all the evidence, and there's a Brady rule about this,

all the evidence should be known to the jury. And instead they hid those corrupt agents. That should have been known to the jury, and that's, you know, a violation of the their their their their their their their their that's, you know, a violation of the Brady Rule, which is part of our justice system. Yeah, for sure. I mean, there's a lot of problems. You are... One more thing about this judge, it's really telling. She, um, this was her fifth life sentence that year. It was only May. She's a hanging judge. And she, um, you know, life sentences, a quid tuckled since the drug war started. And there are, I think it's 17,000 nonviolent people serving life for drugs and nonviolent things. This is crazy. And this kind of judge is what causes this and causes mass incarceration.

And she's known as a harsh sencer, and that's why I think Ross got her. And actually her last, the second circuit even slapped her down a bit because they gave another judge to correct a sentence that she had given someone else because she just is over the top vicious with her sentencing. So you can tell I don't get much of this judge. And a lot of judges are, I don't know, a lot of them are a real problem. So I think you posted on the Timful hat Instagram page about how these cops arrested undercover cops.

Oh yeah, yeah, that was funny. Undercover cops are buying drugs and cops arrested the undercover cops. That's tax money. Yeah. Right, but that's what we're talking about. We're talking about manufacturing stuff to just to get an arrest. Like what would the... Go on, sorry. Well, taxpayers are being pleased. I mean, you know, it's over, billions, billions of dollars over 45 years. People are still using drugs. It doesn't work.

I mean, they can't even keep drugs out of prison. How do they expect? Are they so we keep building more prisons all over our country? I mean, right now, the prison population has metastasized over 800% since the drug war. They are just using the drug war to further this horrible, national disgrace of being the biggest. thicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicic. I. I of. I of. I of. I of. I of. I of of of. I th. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I they can they can they can they can, I they can. I they can. I they can. I they can. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I I. I, I, I, I, I. I, I, I, I, I. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I they they they thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, thi, thi, I thi, thi, thi, I thi, I thi, I mean, I they can't they can't They are just using the drug war to further this horrible national disgrace of being the biggest incarcerator in the world. So yeah. So basically the FBI were part of the people trying to solicit murder for a hire, right? Like that's why I saw the... Yeah, well they're actuallyto be accurate, it was a DDA agent, now in prison, and a Secret

Service agent on assignment from the NSA who did this. So, listen to the murder trial. There is no proof of who was the other side of his conversation between the agents and DPR. The actual victim, alleged victim, Curtis Green, doesn't think it was Ross. He's come out and said so, and he supports us getting Ross out. He's afraid of the agents getting out. And he said that publicly.

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I might have pled, I'm not sure, Thomas Glor. So yeah, the whole thing about the murder for higher works very manufactured to me and there's no proof. That's why I never have to try it. They don't have proof and they don't have, and we need to insist on proof. Because otherwise we're all, we're all vulnerable. They can say anything about anybody and say, yeah, and have Photoshop and make up stuff on your laptop or whatever and there you go. So you're someone, your son wasn't allowed to introduce to find out what witnesses. Your son wasn't allowed to introduce certain, certain, um um um um um um um... to... to... to... to... to... to... to... to... to introduce to find out what witnesses your son wasn't allowed to introduce certain philosophies but certain evidence that would show that wasn't him you're the notion that there might be more than one dread pirate

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They wanted one guy, look, the biggest drug seller on Silk Road got 10 years. He has the same offense level as Ross. The guy who was running Silk Road 2, like Benthal, which was bigger to hurry the government, identical but bigger, sold more drugs got no time. None. He never went to prison. that is that is that is that. that. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is th. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the the the true. the true. true. the true. true. the true. their thrue. thrown. thrown. th. the bigger to worry of the government, identical but bigger, sold more drugs, got no time, none, he never went to prison. And they had their trophy, I guess, I'm not sure, but they gave Ross, and this is all on our home page, you can see the other sentences, how absurdly disparate it is, and that Ross gets double life plus 40 years? That's insanely. And it costs a time to to to to to to to thol thol thine th. thine th. th. th. thine, th. thu thu thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th. th, th, the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. No th. No thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, the thin, thin, thin, to be and it costs a time for two million dollars to keep them in there. Somebody who would never hurt a fine.

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Unbelievable. It's unbelievable. They were after they didn't like the Bitcoin. I'm convinced of that. I think that, you know didn't like the Bitcoin. I'm convinced of that. I think that you know no one heard Bitcoin. That's a thing. Silk Road put Bitcoin on the map for the general public. I mean it was a plaything of geeks and everything but no one knew about Bitcoin before Silk Road and he put it on the map which is you know by starting the platform and he only had to

open a Bitcoin account funded and know how to use Tory to get on silver. It wasn't easy. And but that's why Ross has a lot of support from the Bitcoin and blockchain community because they know that he was a pioneer. He's a visionary, he's an idealist, he's not a criminal. He's someone who thought it was with re-monetary freedom to the world. And it is. I mean, I he it's he it's he it's he it's helping it's helping it's helping it's he it's helping it's he it's he it's he it's he it's a thought it was with monetary freedom to the world. And it is. I mean, it's helping people in Venezuela. It's helping people unbanked people around the world. And now, you know, of course, Bitcoin's worth so much more

and cannabis is you can have it delivered to your door. You know, I saw billboards like that, but Ross is sitting in a cage for essentially, you know, having that vision. And it has to change. He cannot die in prison. And that's my, you know, we have a petition. I'd love to mention. Yeah, okay.

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Don't know that it would give them a new trial. It might hopefully moderate that sentence. But the other way is to have the president commute the sentence. And that's part, that's what the petition is really to show. Look, there's now almost 300,000 people who have signed the petition. It's on our website, free ross.org, or we can just go to free rost.org, slash petition, go right to it. And it's not, you know, it's not like, oh, we get certain number of signatures

and automatic commutation. But when I've talked to different people and say, this is how many people back this. They're like, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they, thi, thi, thi, thi, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, thi, there's there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, th. We, th. We, th. We, th. We, th. We, th. We, th. We, th. We, th. We, th. We, th. We, th. We, th. We, th. We, th. We, th. th. there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's thooo. there's tho. the. there's thi. there, th is how many people back this. They're like, oh, wow. This is a movement. This isn't just a guy who's, it's a movement. And so you can help us by signing and sharing it. There's also on our take action page, free Ross.org, or take action. There's a way to give feedback to the president. And you can put in the comment section, please free Ross Omburg, I'd love for him to get thousands of those. And just so it's on his radar, he has shown,

Trump has shown a heart for clemency. He's already commuted and hardened a lot of people. And I'm just hoping he can see the injustice here and, you know, make Ross one of those people. So that's really where we are. That stands a chance and that's what I just got back from Washington, D.C. try networking with people who support us and say, yeah, let's see what we can do to get this up on his radar. So what have you been, I know you're very active in this movement and you're very active getting the word out.

Where have you gone? Where have you spoken? What have you done? What's the reaction you're getting from? Well, I would say our biggest base is libertarian and liberty people. Because I totally understand where Ross is going from, they agree thatthat a free market should and a private market, which is a big part of the motivation, privacy, should exist and they don't think you should put in a cage if you and that are consenting adult exchange drugs.

That's a libertarian thing. So we have a lot of libertarian support and that overlaps into blockchain and Bitcoin people, and many of them are very libertarian. So that's the base, and I speak at different conferences that focus on crypto and libertarian things, but I've also spoken at drug reform conferences and others, people who, you know, are natural supporters because the situation is not just for Ross. I mean, Ross has a friend in them, um, the, um, the, the, um, the, um, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that's that's thi, thi, thi' thi' thi, thi's thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thri-a, thri-a, thri-a, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. thi, th. th. th. thi, that's that's that's thi, that's thi. So, that's that's that's thi. So, that's that's that's that's that, that, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's natural supporters because the situation is not just for Ross. I mean, Ross has a friend in the, the bad prison I was telling about the really bad one. He's doing life for marijuana in Colorado where it's legal but he's unfet in a federal pen.

It's insanity. How is he still in jail? Life is not in there unless something changes. This is he still in jail? Why? California, dude. It's not in there unless something changes. This is, this is going on. And it's not a change. And it's, and they started the first step. And they passed the first step, I would, uh, President Trump's help. And that did help people, but there's this thing called the third strike act, which is horrible, evil thing that Clinton put him.

And it's like if you mess up a third time, no matter what it is, and his was marijuana, you get life. And I know another guy, Ross's friend, and I actually met him there, he's in there for a residue on a dollar bill right here. He's in there for a residue on a dollar bill right here. So, unbelievable. It the the same the same the same the the same the the the the the the the th, their there. It there. It's there. It's there. It's there. It's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there. It's. And there's there's, there's, there's. And there's. And there's. And there's. And there's. And there. And there. And there. And there. And there. And there. And there. And there. And there. And there. And there. And there. And there. And there's. And there's. And there's. And there's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's th. It's like. It's a th. It's like, th. It's, th. It's like, th. It's like, th. It's like, th. It's like residue on a dollar bill right here. It's very easy. So, unbelievable. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

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for 10 years, whatever. I mean, you know, whatever. But I agree. It should be people who are a danger to us, not people who we think should be punished because we don't agree. It's like, and there's no authority in the Constitution for the drug war at all. With the alcohol prohibition, they had to pass an amendment and to get it, make it illegal, and another amendment to make it legal.

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It's a total violation of the Constitution of the Eighth Amendment. He's, he's, he's used up all of his appeals? Yeah, that's our court system. Unbelievable. That's our court system. He was got, you know, the Second Circuit shot him down, that's also in New York. Why is there only so many appeals? The rest of California, he lived in California, but he got taken back to New York.

And so, and then the Supreme Court didn't take it. And I was really, really dashed by that. I was so despairing at that because I really thought we had a chance on our lawyers one. He took the case, he said, look, he gave, he gave, he gave, he gave, he gave, he gave, he gave, he gave, he gave, he gave, he gave, he gave, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, the, the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, they. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, was, the, was, was, was, the, was, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, too.e. too. took, took, took, took, took, took, the, the, took, the, the' one. He took the case, he said, look, he gave us such a discount, it was crazy, it's one of the top lawyers in the country, and he said, you know, anyone conceding, he met Ross, he goes, anyone can see this as a kid who was, you know, got in over his head. I mean, it's like, if you shouldn't, this is wrong. expert and they didn't take it and he was shot. They don't. They don't take it.

If we don't get to go back and go, hey Supreme Court, we take this one. No, that's it. That's your shot in the court. If we don't take, if we don't have judges that uphold the law, we're just have kangaroo courts and we're a third world country. And there's just too much of these, I mean, you watch making of a murder. Dude, that Wisconsin Supreme Court is just throwing out the law because they know that if this guy gets out, he's going to bankrupt Wisconsin. And instead of doing what's right and let him out, they're just going to make him pay and that's what's going on here. They want to make this guy an example example tha example tha example tha example thi example thi example thiii thing thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I the. I'm, I'm, I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I' thi. I' their. I' their. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the the the the the the the the them out, they're just going to make him pay and that's what's going on here. They want to make this guy an example, but it hasn't stopped anything because they've arrested people after it and they've given them less sentences. There's more Silk Roads. They just made new ones.

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they were parents that would come and I can't get what I need for my kid's seizures these are life-threatening now and so thrown down and he's a big supporter because he's like this is thir thiiii a thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi their thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thee is a thee is a the is a big theeeee is a the is a the is the is the is the is the is the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the is so the is so the is so the is so the is so the is so the is so the is so the is so the is so the is so the is so the is a the is a the. the. the. the. theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. the. I's the. the. I's the. I's the. throw us down. And he's a big supporter because he's like, this is terrible. These are children's lives. Why do we allow these, this one group of elite people to tell us what's right and what's wrong? You know, like, just like, because something's illegal doesn't mean it's wrong, just because something's legal doesn't mean it's right. And like, we're allowing these people based solely on their pockets and their pockets, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, is is thi, is tho, is tho, is tho, is tho, is thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooes, and sos, thi pockets and their bank accounts to tell us what we can or cannot do. And it's just, it's, it's a system has to change, man. It has to go back to the, you know, we need a government that is, responds to the people.

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There's a petition, please sign it. There's a way of contact President Trump. That would be thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, it's thi, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's thoes thoes thoes thi, it's tho, it's tho, it's tho, it's tho, it's tho, it's tho, it, it, it, we're tho, we're tho, we're tho, we's tho, we's tho, we's tho, we's tho, we's tho, we's tho, we's tho, we's thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thoomomomoomoomooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. tho. sign it. There's a way to contact President Trump. That would be great. There's ways to donate because this is very expensive. The law, even though the court isn't going on, there's, I still have, we still have lawyers, we have lawyers for the 2255, it's very expensive and then lawyers, you know, helping us with other things like clemency. And so donations are always welcome and ideas. There's ways to contact us like there's a footer of every page. You can contact me and say, hey, I can help with you with this.

Or what about this idea? Oh, we just had a guy right about, hey, I'm going to ride from Vancouver to San Diego and I want to make it a fundraiser for Ross, you know, that kind of contacts..... thiiiiiiiiiiii thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, you're thi, you're thi, you're thi, thi, you're thi, you know, you know, you're thoes, you're thi, you're to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, theeeean, thean, thean, you're thean, you thean, you thean, you thean, you thean, thean, thean, thean make it a fundraiser for Ross, you know, that kind of thing. Or just contacts, that's the other thing. Political context. If any, and also Hollywood, we could use some endorsements from celebrities. You know, everybody says, do you have any celebrities? I'm like, well, not really. I mean, Keanu Reeves did narrate Deep. Which was great. and Alex Winter directed.

I was thrown away by that. He's a very big supporter. But, you know, celebrities mean something. And it would be great if some celebrities would make a statement, you know, maybe you, Sam. Hey. Hi, I'm Celebrity, Sam Tripoli, and we need to let Ross out of jail right now, because this is ridiculous. I'm Sam Tripli and I support this message. I'll follow up with you to get that in a support.

Please anytime. You're wonderful real quick Lynn where can they find you on the internet? Free Ross. You know we also have Twitter. Free underscore Ross. There's also, Ross himself has been writing in writing and a close family person has been posting at Real Ross and the letter you. Real Ross you. And you can get a really good sense of who Ross is from those tweets because they're coming straight from him. And we also have Instagram, Free Ross Olbrecht and Facebook, with a Facebook community page for Ross. So we're all over the place and, yeah, check out Ross's Twitter because it's,

you'll really get a sense of him. He's great person. I know you'll think that when you read you stuff. Well, then I can't just. He's on medium too. He's been writing and I think those are worthwhile too. Well, thank you so much for coming on to the show. We really appreciate you. You're doing the Lord's work and it was honored to talk to you.

And you know, we'll have you back and we can maybe drum up some more support down the line. But keep us posted. If you come to LA let's know, we'll come down and support you. to you. Thank you so much to to to to to to to to to to to th you so so so so th you so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much so much to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. tho. tho. tho. the. the the. the the the the the thoooooooooooooooo. toooo. to to to to to the to to the th keep doing the Lord's work Lynn we appreciate you. Thank you so much for having me. I'm coming to LA and May. All right, we'll see you then, we'll see you then Lynn. Lynn, all right. Thank you. Thank you so much. Of course. Thank you. Aaron. Appreciate you guys. And hopefully we'll see you at the live shows. Take care everybody.