Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #294: Vietnam Black Ops with Douglas Valentine

Episode Date: March 26, 2020

Thank you for tuning in for another episode of Tin Foil Hat with Sam Tripoli. This episode we welcome back Douglas Valentine to discuss his new book "TDY" which is based on the stories that he heard from Vietnam Vets about the Black Ops missions they were sent on during the war. Our connection was bad on this episode so the audio is a little choppy so our apologizes for that. Thank you so much for you support! Please check Douglas Valentines new book "TDY": https://www.claritypress.com/product/tdy/ Check out all the Tin Foil Hat Full Episode Videos at brokensimulation.com My youtube.com Youtube.com/SamTripoli Patreon: Patreon.com/TinFoilHat Tshirts: TinFoilHattshirts.com Cameo.com www.cameo.com/samtripoli Thank you to our sponsors: Grubhub: Just for our listeners, if you download the Grubhub app and enter promo code SAMT, you'll get $10 off any order of $15 or more on your delivery. That’s promo code SAM for $10 off any order of $15 or more on your delivery. So download the Grubhub app today and use promo code SAMT to enjoy the restaurants you love, delivered. Strong Coffee: Go to www.strongcoffeeltd.com/tinfoil FOR 30% OFF OMAX CryoFreeze: Get 20% off a full bottle of CryoFreeze Pain Roll Relief and anything site wide plus free shipping just go to OMAXhealth.com promocode TINFOILHAT. Manscaped: Get 20% Off and Free Shipping with the code TINFOILHAT at Manscaped.com. That’s 20% off with free shipping at manscaped.com, and use code TINFOILHAT Blue Chew: Visit Blue Chew dot com and get your first shipment free when you use promo code tinfoil. Just pay $5 shipping. That’s B-L-U-E-Chew dot com promo code tinfoil. Chew it and do it! ADsuits.com: hey have tons of different colors and styles. they have suits in solid colors, pinstripes, plaids, houndstooth, double breasted, corduroy, tuxes. and all for $39 to $69. AND they give away 1 free suit every week to one of our listeners. thats just tinfoil hat fans. we announce the winner here the following week on the show. Just go to ADsuits.com/TinFoilHat and put in your email. or don't put in your email in for the free suit and just go to ADsuits.com/TinFoilHat and get a 2-button suit for $39 Live Shows: April 11th: Tin Foil Hat Comedy Night Live at the Rec room @7pm April 16th: Headlining the Ventura Comedy Club May 1st: Spokane Comedy Club May 2nd: Tacoma Comedy Club May 5th: Chicago at The Den Theatre

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shining. So we'll see how this goes so far. Okay. Uh, guys, how are you guys holding up during this? I'm doing great. I've been hanging out with my girlfriend a lot. Basically moved in. Because she's so paranoid about this shit. She doesn't want me leaving. Yeah, of course. Well, what she, you know what happened? Women are behind the pandemic. Well, have you notice th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th th th thi thi th th thi thi th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. Gosh. Well what you know what happened? Women are behind the pandemic. Well have you noticed they're not getting infected like the women women are getting infected at a much lower rate than men and something like 60-40 which is which is surprising to me. Yeah I don't know what that is. And we'll get into this with our gas. But anyway she read a story that West Hollywood has the highest rate of infection.. the th. the highest th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their th. their their their their their th. W. their their their their women their women their women their women their women their women their women their women their women their women their women their women. Women their women. W. W. W. Women their women. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. th. they th. they th. they th. they th. th. th. th. they're th. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they. they're they're Hollywood has the highest rate of infection in Ellie County and so she won't let me go back home. Well have you technically told her that the studio is not in West Hollywood is in Hollywood? I have yes that's why I'm

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Thank you Grubhub. Procoed Sam T. Enough of the business. the business. the business. the business. the business. the business. the business. the business. the business. the business. the the the the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, the gro, the gro, the gro, the gro, the gro, the gro, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. Do, th. Do, th. Do, th. Do, th. Do, tho, tho, tho, tho. Doo. Doo. Doo. Doo. Doo. Doo. Doo. Doo. Doo. Doo. Doo. Doo. Doo. Doo. Doe. Doe. Doe. Doe, tho, th show. Thank you, Grubhubb, promo code, Sam T. Enough of the Business guys, joining us. He's been on the show before and he's back. His new book is T, D, Y. Please welcome to the show, Douglas Valentine. Douglas, I feel like we've done this before. How are you, brother? It's nice to see you both again, and thanks for having me on the show. I think like everybody else, you know, I, I, I, I, I th, I th th th th th th th thi th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the, the, the, the, the's the's the's the, thi's the's the's thi's thi, th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the an the an theananananananananananananananananananananananananan, toean, thean. theanananananananananed theaned th. And thanks for having me on the show. I think like everybody else, you know, I feel like I stepped into a virtual reality, you know, like some strange world that I never expected to see in my life. And so, you know, I mean, I guess like everybody else, just trying to do the practical thing right now. You know, to boil it down to what's the most practical thing you can do.

And in terms of what's going on behind the scenes, you know, that's just like going to produce a lot of anxiety. You know, so really in order to get through this thing myself, just my wife and I, just trying to be practical about it and stick to what we know...... to, what, what, what, what, to, what, to, to, what, to what, to what's, to what's, the, to what's, the, the, the the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, what's the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most, what's the most, what's the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, the most, the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most the most, the most their their their their the, th in order to get through this thing myself, just my wife and I, just trying to be practical about it and stick to what we know, you know, the basic things. And because who knows what's going on. I mean, earlier you said, don't watch the news. That's something I stopped doing about three days ago. You know, I was sick of it. It was like, it was like what it was not helping me in any kind of practical way. And so the only news I watch anymore is local news to find out what's going on here in Springfield, Massachusetts.

You know, the national stuff just is, you know, it's like who can tell what's up from down, you know. And so just really trying to, like some of the things you were talking about earlier, focus on what's happening locally, do what's practical. Don't get too overly excited about things that are out of your control because right now a lot of things are out of your control, and the situation is changing from minute to minute. And of course, this is something that any soldier would ever tell you, too. You know, a soldier isn't trying to figure out

what the war is about. You know, he's not trying to figure out who's in charge or what the alternative ulterior motives might be. He's trying to figure out, well, what do I eat today? Where am I going today? What's the guy over there doing? So I think that in the most practical way, that's just how I'm trying to think about it and not worry about all the craziness that's going on.

Well that's a great point Douglas I totally agree with you you know we had the blessings of Martha's mom was staying with us and she's really helping because I just had two twin girls and ghost and ninja are their names and the trade-off was if she came and help we had to watch CNN every night over and over and it was just it was just fear porn man just over and over and it's so weird because that's just it you know I mean if you watch the national news you're gonna do nothing but raise your blood pressure you know which is doesn't help it doesn't help to be walking around in a state of anxiety a heightened anxiety so the whole idea is to control your environment right now to the extent that you can to make it as as calm and as peaceful as you can you know and the first thing to do to do is the extent that you can to make it as calm and as peaceful as you can.

You know, and the first thing to do is to turn off network national news and find out what's going on in your own little local community. You know, if you're in, if you're in the city, what's going on in your neighborhood? You know, if you're out in the country, just figure out what, which ones of your neighbors need help, which ones are okay, you know, uh, stay aware of what's going on locally. I mean, it's, it's just so strange. I had a friend. The other day call up from New York City, and she said, she could smell the ocean for the first time in her life of living.

Yes, dude. Yes, like the environment's doing better. Yeah, there's so little traffic. That's a good stuff. It was like, oh, I live in a beach community. I didn't realize that. You know, I mean, the ocean's just like right over there. So everything's different. But, so, you know, I mean, this is just what my wife and I are trying to do. Just be practical and stick to the basics.

I got it. What you wanted to say XG real quick? I was just saying you as we're talking about the news. I was watching the same thing. The same thing and they're criticizing the country of Mexico because they're kind of very nonchalant about it. They don't really care. But she was watching it and you can see the same thing. They're criticizing the president of Mexico because he's still hugging people, kissing them because he thinks it's fake and stuff. And it's the same thing. Fear porn everywhere. They're telling. is bad, stay home, they're making it seem that no one's going to get their money, because there's a lot, when Mexican commercials are talking about illegals, you're like, you're

not getting your money and they're all freaking out, these, and it's just, it's a shit show. And all of the world, Spanish and English, just like, be like, be like, you know, like, you know, be cool, go slow yourself down, you know, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, they. And, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, the, the, the, the, the, the, they, they, they, they, the, the, the, the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they, they, they, they, they, they, the, the, they, they, the, they.. the, they. they, they, the, the,? Just slow yourself down, you know, and don't get concerned about things that are out of your control. What do you mean not getting your money, actually? What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? What does that mean?

Oh, well, because if you don't have a social security number or nothing, you're not getting money? Oh, yeah, yeah. And there's a lot of people that have restaurant jobs that don't have that money that literally were living paycheck to paycheck. So they're freaking out even more. Oh, I see. Because at least now the US citizens thinking like, oh, at least I'll get a thousand bucks. Right. Those illegals are not getting jacked. And they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that's. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's literally. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. We that. We that. We that. that. We that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. thly. thly. thly. thly. thly. thly. thly. thly. they're literally literally. they're literally. they're literally. they're literally. they're literally. they're literally. they're literally. they're literally. they're literally whole different situation. The fear porn is way worse over there.

That's what else is crazy? Douglas was talking about how, you know, talked about your, you know, go talk to you, see how your neighbors are doing checking on them. I'm going above neighborhood watch. I'm starting a neighborhood militia, okay? Me and everybody on my block who's got guns. We're gonna roam the neighborhood, making sure everybody's safe,

make sure the ladies and the babies are all good. That's what we're doing, okay? I'm thinking globally, acting locally, okay? I'm reversing that stuff, man. I am going to be a neighborhood vigilante, all right? Anything pops, daddy's got a new gun, and he's bringing hell with him, all right? Speaking of hell, Vietnam was crazy. I want to get in to your, hey dude, this is one of the best. What a segue. That was, that was amazing, Sam. That's like the best segue I've ever heard my life.

Okay. That was amazing, Sam. That's like the best segue I've ever heard of my life. Douglas, tell us a little bit about your book, TDY. What does TDY stand for? What does it mean? It means temporary duty. It's militaries and TDY tporary Duty. It's a, the most, it's, you know, when you're right, you try to adjust your style to the substance of the book. So it's a very bare bones book. Okay, so I thought a title that was very bare bones,

would reflect the nature of what this book is about. And what it is is just how this secret intelligence operation unfolds. And as it on, you know, I mean, it starts off innocently enough, just the way, actually the way I came about hearing about the story started out innocently enough also. But as it progresses, it turns into something that's like as chaotic and as crazy and as you know, hard to figure out is like what we're going, what's going on right now. And in that sense, the book is, is an analogy of what our world is about and how all of us can get caught up

in these kind of things that are out of our control. And then what do you do? When you find yourself in the midst of, they're so much greater than you. Just, you know, it starts out slow and then pretty soon you're just catapulting along. How does this guy, it's the main character in this story, and his name is Pete, how do you survive? How do you get through?

And it shows how he starts out being this kind of, you know, he's a young guy, he's gonna live forever. You know, and and and he's in an Air Force base. And it's 1967 and he's a photojournalist and he's bored. You know, they do nothing on a military base, you know, he's in the, and he's a photojournalist, so he's always signing up for what's called TDY assignments. And as a photojournalist, he gets to go off the base. And one time he interviews and does an article for the base newspaper about the first black general in the Air Force, guy named Chappens.

And he goes around and he does interview Sandy Kofax once, you know, for the base. And he gets off the base and he gets to do different things. And so his name is always on this the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. t. t. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t t t t t t t tt t tod, today, today, t. t. today, today, today, today, today, t, for the base. And he gets off the base and he gets to do different things. And so his name is always on this TDY list on the base for temporary duty. And one day he gets called into the personnel manager of the office and they say we've got a new, we've got a TDY assignment for you. This one's a little bit different. It involves hazardous duty pay and a bonus. Okay, I can't tell you anything more about it right now. But that's the, you know, if you get involved in this,

this is what's gonna be. So the guy just being a 22 year old kid says, how much is the bonus? You know, and I say $2,000, which is enough to buy a car back in 1967..... So, so, so, so, th.00, th.00, th.00, th..00, th.00, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, th, th, th, to to to to to to to to to do, to to to to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they, they, they, they, they, they, theybui, theybui, they, theybui, they, theybui, toe, toe, to me to do I said, $2,000, which is enough to buy a car back in 1967. So he just jumps into this thing. And the next thing that happens to him, and he said to the base security officer, which is unusual because he's never, you know, been to the base security before and they tell, well, you know, if you, we've got to do a little background on you, and he reiterates that it's, it's going to be a dangerous, you know,

could potentially be dangerous. And he pulls out a piece of paper, he makes some sign a non-disclosure statement. Okay. If you agree to this to go on this mission, you can't ever tell anybody about it, just like Trump making his girlfriends or Bloomberg, you know, making proclosures, you know, it says it's a non-disclosure statement. So, but he wants the money. So he signs up for it, and then finally he gets, he gets sent to one last person, and they say, what's going to, you know, he says to launch the mission mission, the mission, the mission, this mission, this mission, this mission, to, to, the mission, to, to, the mission, to, to, to, to, the mission, to, to, to, they say, what's going to, you know, he says to what's the mission all about? The guy says, I can't tell you.

But you're going to be sent to another base. And there you're going to be outfitted in what's called equipment that's rigged for silent and he's a photographer. And he's going to be given the latest most high-tech gadgetry that you could, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you can, you can, you could, you could, you could, you could, you could, you could, you could, you could, you could, you could, you could, you could, you could, you could, you could, you could, you could, you could, you could, you could, you could, you can, you can't, you know, you know, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you could, you could, you could, you could, you could, you could, you could, and he's going to be given the latest most high-tech gadgetry that you could ever, you know, imagine. I mean, it's the stuff that's made out of like DARPA or the, you know, the latest tech. So anyway, he gets sent to this on the base. And, and, um, Paul, let me ask some real quick here, Douglas. Because we don't want want to get too much into the book because we want, we'd like people to read it. But hold on, hold on.

So, is, this is a fictional story that you've come up with. Is this based on anything you, because you've done so much research. Well, all the research I did prepared me to write the book. Okay, but I had written my first book about my father who'd been a prisoner of war in World War II. Okay? And my father and I hadn't talked to each other for 10 years. And by it when he asked me to come home and he told me he had this story to tell. And he had never told anybody in his life that he'd been a prisoner of war,

because when this camp was liberated, he was made to sign a non-disclosure statement. Things happened at this prisoner of war camp, which was out in the Philippines, and the book is called the Hotel Talk Loan. It was a military cover-up. So it turns out by my own father, you know, unknown to me until I was 30 years old had been involved in a military cover-up.

Now, he, was he one of the top people making these decisions, obviously that goes very high up the food chain in the military, but was he one of the decision makers or was the lack of a better word? Was he just a pawn in this game? Well, that's, you know, all just pawns. I mean, that's why it's an analogy. You know, I mean, except for like, you know, a few people at the top, it's, this is the point is that young people, especially young men, join the military.

Like my father joined World War II. He didn't sign up to be part of a military cover-up. This guy signs up for this TDY assignment in 1967. He did not think that he was going to be part of a black operation. In his life, you know, he was going to maybe get his limbs shot off, you know, and this is how this is one of the ways it shows the mechanisms for sucking people into these things. And people start out with good intentions, just like a soldier's, you know, volunteered for duty in Vietnam. They did not know that they were going to be running into villages and

burning the villages down and be involved with civilians, shooting at civilians, you know, and not being able to tell the difference between, you know, who was a Viet Cong and who was a school teacher and whether this woman or this kid that they should fear. So all of us in this metaphorical way find ourselves sucked into these things. You know, it's sort of the condition that we live in and that we innocently get involved in things and then before you know what they're out of control. I mean, so anyway, so anyway, after this book, the Hotel Talkloven about my father came out. I wanted to write about Vietnam. And so I sent a book to a guy named

William Colby, who was a, who had been the head of the CIA, that one, the director of Central Intelligence. And he had run what was called the Phoenix program in South Vietnam. And he liked this book about my father. He said, okay, you'll, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to, to, to write, to write, to write, to write, to write, to write, to write, to write, to write, to write, to write, to write, to write, to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write to write the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their thi, thi, the the the tho, the the the tho, write the the tho, write the thi, write the the the thi, write thi, write thi, write the Phoenix program in South Vietnam. And he liked this book about my father. He said, okay, you'll understand. You'll understand that, you know, people in the CIA and the military end up doing things, that the rest of us, rest of civilians don't really understand. And he thought that, well, he would help me to write this book on the Phoenix program, which was, again, very highly secretive, involved a lot of black operations in South Vietnam.

It was a CIA program, and it involved soldiers going into villages and kidnapping or assassinating people who were thought to be cadres, members of the Viet Cong, okay? And they would send these young guys into the villages to do this stuff, and they had no idea, you know, they're told that there's a guy named Winton Ton, and he's on a blacklist, and they go into the village, and there's 10 people named Wintin Ton.

Oh my God. What do you do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do in time. Oh my God. What do you do? You know, and so everybody's getting shot up and it's just crazy. And that also, so these are the kinds of people that I was dealing with by the time, my father's book came out in 1984. The Phoenix book came out in 1990, but in 1989, I had finished all the research. I had interviewed probably 100 CIA officers, hundreds of military people who had been involved in this Phoenix program. I learned all about the drug trade that was going on and how the CIA was running the drug trade in the Southeast Asia. I mean, and I was learning all about block ups,

because at the time, I lived in Fitchburg, Massachusetts, which was a stone's throw from Fort Devens. And Fort Devens was where the 10th Special Forces was headquartered. And this is interesting. One day, when I, in the midst of while I'm writing this book, I get a knock on my door and there's a big tall guy, stand out at the door smoking a cigarette, he's about six four, blonde hair, big guy, looks like a bouncer. He said, are you Doug Valentine? And I said, yeah, you know, and he said, you know, and he said, you know, he said, you know, you know, you know, you know, th., th., th. th. th. th. And, th. And the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the th. th. th. this this th. th. th. th. th. th. I I th. I, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I, th. I, th. th. th. th. this is, this is, th. this is, th. thin, th. th. th. too. too. too. too. too. too. too, th. th. th. th. th. th. this is, is he said, can I talk to you? And I said, yeah, well, put the cigarette out.

Come on in. And he comes in. And he said, my name is Mike Nelson. The CIA, I used to be in 10 special forces and I live in the neighborhood. And the CIA called me up. And they know you're writing this book on the Phoenix program. And they want me to befriend you to be a a a to be a knowing it, and to report on you and what you're doing back to the CIA. Oh my God.

And he's this nice guy, and he's sitting there's a big smile on his face, and he says, so I figured it would be a lot easier for you. And it would be a lot easier for me if I just told you what was happening, and that in exchange for you keeping me informed about what you.......... And, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, and what you, and what you, and what you, and what you, and what you, and what you, and what you're, and what you're to be their, and what you're to be to be to be to be to be to be too, and what you're too, and what you're, and what you're, and what you're, and what you're, and what you're, and what you're, and what you're, and what you're, and what you're, and what you're, and what you, their, and what you, and what you, and what you, their, and what you, and what you, and what you, and what you, and their, and their, and their, and their, their, their, their, their, their, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, their, their you what was happening and that in exchange for you keeping me informed about what you're doing with your research, I'll introduce you to a lot on old green beanies, guys who are in the special forces who still live around here and they'll tell you all the stories that you want to know. And I said, yeah, sure, it sounds like a good deal to me, you know, and this guy started introducing me to all these people who were involved in black ops. And then, you know, I don't know, you know, what he would do. I guess he would periodically send a report back and say, you know, well, Valentine did

this and Valentine did that, but he was basically setting the whole thing up. And that's how I started to learn just how crazy these guys are. Okay, the guys that are involved in these black ops are not like regular soldiers. They're not young people. They're not 1920, 21 years old. They're adult men. You cannot tell them what to do. They do what they pretty much want to do.

And if you're making them go on black operations, well, that's the price yet you pay. You don't really control them. And they would tell me stories about the stuff that was going on in Vietnam. Now, the special forces are somewhere in between the CIA and the military. Oh, wow. A chain of command, all right? So like a general in Vietnam didn't control these guys. They had their own officers

and they did whatever they did. And they were involved in all these black operations and they all had, because they worked for the CIA, what was called get out of jail free cards. Wow. And they could, yeah, they couldn't be arrested for doing illegal because everything they did was illegal. And they would get a home, what they called these black bird flights that would leave Saigon. And they would fly up to what was called a base in Laos called Nakam, Air Force base, which was where the CIA and the Air Force had a special base, and they were bombing the Ho Chi-Men Trail that went down from North Vietnam

along the border between Laos and South Vietnam. And anyway, they would get on these blackbird flights and they would go up there. Blackbird flights are intelligence flights that pick up radio communications. Okay, so they would just present a card, they would get on it, they would go, you know, without even be on the manifest, they would go to Laos, they would fly from Laos into the Bangkok, where they would buy opium, silk, rubies, all sorts of stuff on the black market, and then they would fly back into Saigon on another black bird flight, and they would sell it. Andthese guys are made, you know, when they're not on these life-endangering missions,

crossing, you know, doing command-o raids into Laos or North Vietnam or Cambodia or, you know, I mean, parachuting into enemy bases in the middle of the night and stuff like that. The CIA and the military let donthem do these, you know, just enterprising things on their own. And you know, and because it was, you know, an exchange. And so I learned about how black operations become a part of the black market. Let me ask you something. Let me ask you something. Really a work in how the block market around the world works. Let me ask you something.

Did they get into any details on some of the more darker black ops that they got into? And hold on, and real quick, is there a psychological exam that they have to take and do is it almost like they want psychopaths to basically? Well, it's like anything else. You want to mix. You can't have a group of you know let's say you know the Special Forces as an 18 12 guys okay what you want to six psychopaths and six normal human beings? You know what? You know, so people are, you know, given psychological profiles, but they're not looking for one specific kind of personality. They want a guy who's cool, they want a guy who can lead. They want, you know, so the psychological personality test says,

this guy will do whatever you tell them to do as long as you give them an ice cream cone at the end of it. You know, and this guy has the ambition. And so he'll do the extra crazy things that you ask them to do. So the psychological profiles are not, again, cut and dry. There's a whole range of personalities that you want, and they generally try to mix them together, okay? But they definitely want people who will do things that the rest of us are prohibited by our morality from doing.

Okay, for example, one of the most horrendous kind of black operations there is, is called black propaganda. And this is where, very simply, it can be pretending to be the North Vietnamese and setting up a radio station somewhere and broadcasting, having a Vietnamese person work for you, and him saying that I'm having a Vietnamese person work for you and him saying that I'm a North Vietnamese person and send messages out to people and just change the messages ever so little bit so that it makes the North Vietnamese of that. Okay so that's that's one kind of a black propaganda operation.

Another kind is where soldiers dress up like the enemy, like the Green Berets worked with Vietnamese special forces. Well, a Green Beret might actually organize a group of self-Vietnamese soldiers, dress them up in black Patramas so they look like Viacom and send them into a village where the people support the government or South Vietnam and wipe them all out. Damn! And mutilate them because again now every and leave a few survivors and those survivors say, you know, I mean it it's very alert, but they say the North Vietnamese to be a compaiment to our building, our village last night, and they, you know, put some

heads on spikes, they killed a pregnant woman, they did all these horrible, terrible war crimes, and then they left. So now all of a sudden, everybody hates the North Vietnamese. But it's actually, and there was a group in South Vietnam called SOG, the Special Operations Group. And they did these sort of things. And of course, the CIA did these sort of things all the time. This is the sort of thing that the CIA does all the time. They do it in Afghanistan, they do it in Iraq, they set up militias. You know, the CIA doesn't really doesn't have, it doesn't

have an army of its song. It advises other armies, or it might have a very small paramilitary team. But they, this is the sort of thing that they do on a massive scale. This is what, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you the, you the, you the, you the, you the, you thi, you, you know, you they, you thi, you th. But this is the sort of thing that they do on a massive scale. This is what the, you know, differentiate pretty much the CIA from the regular army or even the special forces. The CIA does these sort of black propaganda operations. This is its specialty. This is what it does. And it also does something else that the regular military doesn't do, and that steals drug. It's basically the CIA is behind the entire drug trade, whether it's in Mexico, whether it's in

Afghanistan and Vietnam. I mean, it is basically, I mean, the basis behind all these wars, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and the drug war is so the CIA can take over the world. It is, the basis behind all these wars, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and the drug war is so the CIA can take over the war and control the war and make money on almost every single part of the drug war, which is the growing, the distribution, the sale, and then the law enforcement of it, arresting people throwing them in jail. They own every bit of every moment of that process. Yes, and it's the same thing. The CIA recruits drug dealers. You don't have to actually be a CIA officer dealing drugs.

What they do is, and it's not just drugs, it's the arms trade, it's prostitution, it's the sex trade. Any kind of underworld industry, the CIA wants to be in control of it through its assets, whether they're Serbians, whether they're Afghanistan's, Afghanis, whether they're Colombians, whatever country that there's a drug trade in or underground, an underworld, the CIA wants to control the entire underworld. You can't just control the drugs. You got to control all the other things that go along with it.

And it also goes into like just murder. It goes into burglary. It goes into, which was really important in South Vietnam, counterfeiting, currency. You can, what better way to undermine the economy of an enemy nation to deprint millions of dollars of its currency and have your secret agents smuggle it into that country and through the underworld start distributing it around all over the place that devalues, you know, I mean this is what you want to do in around, this is what these people do. So all, these are, there's a whole range of block operations that

occur and most of them occur in the criminal underworld. I mean we see it here in America Doug I mean Doug we've seen it with the CIA with the hippie movement acid wherever you know the Grateful Dead wherever they went that's how they distributed acid to everybody and then we have later on we know we have the, you know, the Grateful Dead, wherever they went. That's how they distribute acid to everybody. And then we have later on, we, you know, we have the, you know, the grunge scene in Seattle in the 90s, which was pushing prescription medication and heroin. And there was always just rumors that Courtney Love was a CIA asset used to get drugs into the music scene. So we've seen their, I mean, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, we the, we the, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they.a, they.a, the, the, they.a, the, the, the, the, the, the, theto get drugs into the music scene.

So we've seen their, I mean, like we can get in everything. I mean, we could even talk about the crack epidemic of the 80s where a crack flooded the inner cities and you know, later on the CIA was recruited a freeway recross. Yeah, for sure they literally were giving him those drugs. Let me give you the perfect example, okay? After Castro took over Cuba, you know, I mean, the CIA, and he declared that he was communist, the CIA wanted to overthrow Cuba. Not only that they wanted to kill Castro. They wanted to assassinate, so who did they hire to do Cuba. Not only that, they wanted to kill Castro.

They wanted to assassinate. So who did they hire to do the job? A guy named Santo Traffocanti, who at the time was the biggest drug dealer in the United States? OK? And he had, through the inherited incurable casinos and one operation. He was partners with Batista, 5050 with Batista. And some Corsicans, the Corsicans would break the heroin in from Southeast Asia, okay?

And then Trafficanti would arrange a, what was called an auction down in Tampa. And mafia families from around the country would come to this auction and they would bid on the latest, every month, every two months, the latest load that Trafficanty had. He was the biggest drug trafficker in the United States. And who does the CIA hire to kill Castro? Sonto Trafacanti. And for the rest of his life, after, he ta, he ta, he th, he tha, after tha, after tha, after thi, after thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, the the the tha, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, thia, tha, tha, tha, tha, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta,a,a,aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a, the CIA hire to kill Castro? Santo trafficanti. And for the rest of his life, after he was involved in this assassination attempt on Castro, he could never be arrested. Well, that's just one notorious, glaring example. I'm here to tell you that happens a hundred, a thousand

times every day in every way all around the world. And it's just not, you know, the thing that made that glaring was a trafficking, it was an American drug trafficker. But the CIA, by large, is working overseas. So most of it's stable of drug traffickers and armed traffickers and bankers and lawyers are people that are in foreign countries. Okay, and that's who they deal with most of the time. So they and and then they can funnel all those proceeds that they make from all these illegal operations and so all money off the box into their own what they call proprietary companies.

They use their own airlines. I'll give you another example. After World War II, the military and the CIA started hiring lots of Nazis, former Nazi. Yes. Yes. Okay, so these guys, if you were a Nazi collaborator in France, there was not much you could do to make a living.

You know, the average people, if they could get a hold with the material, live from live. So these guys needed work. So there was one guy. And Fletcher Prouty, so I don't know if you guys ever heard of Fletcher Proudy, but he wrote a book called the Secret Team and exposed a lot of this black operation for way back in the 70s. Fletcher told me how the CIA hired this guy who had been a Frenchman, Nazi collaborator, and they gave him money to start up an airline in Southeast Asia, okay?

And he had like four pilots working for, all former Nazi collaborators. That airline today is a major airline. It grew from being a small little airline with three planes, following drugs for the CIA instead of Asia, they got like, you know, Trump turning one hotel into a, you know, an empire, a hotel, turned it into a major airline. I mean, I see it advertised on TV and I laughed. You know, I'm in, you don't want to say the name of the airline? You don't want to say the name. You, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, a, a, a, a, a, a, a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a thi, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, thua, thua, thi, thi, thi, thi, thrion, thi, thi, thi, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a thi, a thi, a thi, a thi, a thi, a thrionionionionionionionionionion, a thr, a thr, thr, thr, thr, thr.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a. It's, t.a, know, I'm on the... You don't want to say the name of the airline?

You don't want to say the name? You know, a legitimate airline and the CIA owns it. And it's not just airlines, it's banks, it's shipping companies. And it all comes out of these small little seed things that they do on the block market and they funnel the money into these, you know, regular businesses and they set people up in these businesses and they say, like in the godfather, ten years from now I may need you to do something. You know, and the guy, you know, they're basically like just deep cover agents and they may not use them maybe once every 10 years. So Valentine, you don't want to name the airline that you think it is,

allegedly? Well, I don't want to get sued, but I, you know, someday I'll tell you, you know, but it's, um, it's funny because. The translation means blue eagle. And, and it had these pretty little blue and white airplanes and all the, um, all the, um, all the, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, um, um, the, um, um, um, um, um, um, the, the, the, um, um, um, um, um, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, um, the, um, um, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, uh, the, the, the, the, uh, the, the, and white airplanes and all the CIA's Air America planes are all blue and white too. Same little baby blue and white airplanes. Anyway, so this, all this stuff is just to give you an idea about what the CD is about. Let me just go back to the book and to tell you how it unfolds a little bit because this guy who I call Pete and again it's 1989. The Phoenix program

is going to come out by William Morrow, all right, which is my publisher and they want me to get photographs for the book and I'm living Fishburg, which is near Fort Devens. So I go one, I look up in the phone book, and there's this guy who's got this little mom and pop shop. You know, he does weddings. He does graduation photos. You know, I mean, you know, bar miss fits in and I go there. And we start to walk and he's my age, a little, th and I, th and I, th and I, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. thi, the the, they, the, the, the, the, the, the, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th... And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, I'm, I we start to walk and he's my age a little bit older.

And I tell him, you know, he says, oh, you're a writer, you got a book coming out, what else have you written? You know, and I tell him, well, you know, talk about, you know, then at one point, he just says to me, you know, I'm all Vietnam. And I was in the Air Force. And I lived there for a year. And I know about the Phoenix program because I had a Vietnamese wife. And they put her on the Phoenix hit list.

And they told me, if they wanted to get her, they knew that I was making money on the block market. If I wanted to get her off the Phoenix hit list, I had to pay him $10,000. And I say, so I know about all this stuff, but I wanted, he's Pete, he says, before I got to Vietnam in 1969, I actually was involved in a TDY operation, which is the operation that this book is based on. So the guy's taking my photograph for the Phoenix program book is, starts telling me about this crazy operation that he was on that becomes TDY. And he said, he joined, he joined,

he joined VBAW after the war Vietnam Veterans Against the war, okay? And he came home and he was in VBAW and you guys are too young to remember all this stuff. I'm 70 so I remember it very well. But the VBAW was like on thethe FBI's the top of their hit list, because they were telling people how the war was actually thought. And they were like reenacting search and destroying missions. They were having new teleconferences, news conferences and stuff like that. They actually did something called the Winter Soldier investigation in 1971 where guys just detailed all the war crimes they had participated in.

So they had, so this guy joined VBAW and he lives in this little town in New York and they they have a, CBS is going to do a, um, a broadcast of him and three other guys from VBAW telling about their experiences. And he told the, he told the, he told, he, he, he, he, he, he, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, the, told, told, their, their, their, their, their, theBAW telling about their experiences. And he told the, he told the, gave the 10 minute version of TDY on the CBS local network broadcast. And he goes home to watch it the next day with his parents. And everybody else's story is broadcast, but his isn't. Okay. And the next day when he's working home from college, he's going to college, he gets accosted by two guys in that, in the parking lot. And they said, you know, you signed a non-disclosure statement

telling that you would never talk about the stuff. And if you ever talk about it again, we will kill him. Oh my God, really? So, yes, yeah, so he hasn't told anybody until I come along 17 years later. And because he thinks I will understand, because I have done all, I know how these operations work. I've talked with Vietnam veterans, I understand the psychology that's involved in it, you know, they're not going to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just just going just going to just just just just just just just just just just just just just just to just just just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to just to to just to tell to tell the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the tel, really the tel, tel, tel tel tel tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell their their their told their their their their their these operations work. I've talked with Vietnam veterans. I understand the psychology that's involved in it. You know, they're not gonna just tell somebody who can't relate to their experience, but he knows I can relate to his experience.

And sort of off the top of his head, he just tells me the whole story. We're standing, we're in his dark room. And I and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I said, and I said, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi I said, man, this would make a great book. You know, I mean, this would make a really, really good book. Interesting. And he says, okay, but you just got to fictialize it. You know, you can't. Ah.

And I'll tell you the whole story. And so we did it over, you know, course of a year. We did a bunch of tape interviews and I wrote the book and and and that's how it got written and it's about this guy who's just a photojournalist young guy gets sucked into this operation which ends up with him thinking he's going to the Philippines on a photo recon mission being spun off into something, the most howering experience of his life that results in him going to, you know,

having PTSD and going to therapy for like 20 years. You know, and I won't tell you all the difference, all the details of it, but to sum it up, it's a military operation spying on CIA drug trafficking. Okay, so hold on. So he is, he was asked, this guy in which we do not know, was asked to spy on the CIA drug trafficking. That's right. Him and him and three other technician guys are right. And they, who they, they recruit for the CIA drug trafficking. But, and they, who they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they they, their. T, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. T, their their their their, their their their, their their, their, their they. they.. Him and him and three other tech technician guys are right and they who they they recruit from bases around the country. My guy Pete is a photographer. He gets the long distance camera, okay? There's another guy also photographer and he gets even more, you know,

telephoto lens. There's a video guy who's got this little dish, little dishes that are like about six inches wide that they can pick up a conversation a hundred yards away. And then there's a video guy who's going to videotape everything that's happening. And they hook these guys up with a paramilitary team, Army Rangers. And they're under the command of a, you know, this veteran commande guy who just, who's only injured, you know, his, since you call me to major. And these guys, the four techs, get put into a plane,

and they're basically hijacked. They have no, once they have signed up for this thing, these Army Rangers are more like their bodyguards, they're in their protectors, and they get, they get hijacked into this operation that they have no control over. And by the time they find they find they find they find they find they find they find they find they find they find they find they find they find they find they find they find they find they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they operation that they have no control over. And by the time they find themselves walking through the Laotian jungle, there's no way that they can get out of it.

And it's like what I'm telling you at the beginning of the show. At some point, when everything spins out of control, when everything is beyond your control, you don't even know why you're doing it, or who's the name of the guy is that next to you, nobody's allowed to use their real name. What do you do? Well, that's when you just do what's practical to stay alive, okay? And you stop questioning what's going on. And you asked about psychological profiles earlier. Well, the CIA and the military understand that if you can suck somebody into these kind of operations, at some point, they just got to

go with the flow. You know, there's a that once you can suck them into it, they just got to now revert to what they know to do. How is her by. How to load and how to shoot. How to follow it when the boss tells you to do something, you don't ask them why. You just do it. And that's how my guy gets through this operation. He says, you know, at some point he says, well, I'm just going to do what these Army Rangers do, whatever that's what I'm going to do. You know, and anyway, it's sort of a surprise, what happens.

Not everybody gets out of this thing alive, you know, and, but my guy does. And there's a moral, a bigger moral to the story, which I won't spoil for your readers if they want to go buy to his book. I don't know if you can see it, but TD Y. It's going to make a great movie when it's made into a movie. Douglas, this is a great episode, man. So basically, dude, you know, I, this is incredible dude. I mean, they're basically running black ops on the CIA's running black ops and then the military is running

black ops on the CIA's black ops and we're just basically throwing our children into harm's way. Once again, we're taking ouring our children into harm's way. Once again, we are taking our sons and daughters and throwing them into banker wars and big pharmaceutical wars and they're laying their lives on the line and it just really is sad. It's sad. And I'm very glad you say that, because that's the whole meaning of this book. You know, I mean, you can over, you can overlook the thing and the intricacy and the excitement and the adventure of how this thing unfolds. But that is the point. The young and the innocent

are getting sucked into these things, just like they're getting sucked into everything all the time by the old farts who run this country. And they have, you know, when you get into the military, you're expendable. You sign up and you think, well, they're going to teach me how to repair a helicopter, or they're going to teach me how to be a communications person. And then the next day you find yourself in the midst of a battle, you know, and you say, well, you know, and then horrible things happen, and the last thing you want to do is have anything to do with the military for the rest of your life, you know, and so most people don't even, so many people come back from being part of these things

and they don't even take advantage of the benefits, the few little benefits that are available to them and stuff like that, because you get so synocized when you see this up close and personal. And the only people who are actually having fun and making a living on it, are these old professional soldiers like the guy that came to my door that day. The adult men who make a career out of this stuff, okay?

And the bosses that they work for, the Dick Cheney's, the Donald Brunsfeld, who on the corporations like, what was Cheney's company called, you know, the one that made billions of dollars in Iraq. The construction company over there, you know, and in Iraq, something like a trillion dollars went missing that's completely unaccountable for it. Yeah. It goes into the pockets of these guys and the young people in this country who are trained from the time they're very young to be patriotic and obedient and to salute and to love the flag in the country.

I mean, when you start going through, when you start seeing all the examples that I've seen, you get cynicized very, very quickly as to what the motives are of the people who run our country and how they are capable of anything including, and again, I don't want to raise the blood pressure of your your audience here, but they're capable of biological warfare. Yeah, I mean for sure. I mean, first of all, Dick Chains Company was Haliburton, they just fleeced everybody. You know, Dick Cheney is on a bunch of different companies, that he's on a company right

now that's trying to steal land from the Syrians. Israel is selling it off to the Syrians. He's doing that right now. Yeah. Going heights. And yeah, going heights. And everything. And you know, especially now, that the technology is so advanced. And everybody is tech dependent now.

It's so much easier to control everybody through, and this will be the last thing I say because I'm pooping out. But. Yeah, me too. See, the most important black operation, the most important psychological operation is the propaganda that's being broadcast to us every day. Yeah. And now that the internet has made it a global community, there's no differentiating between the propaganda

that the CIA broadcasts at Afghanistan or at France or at Russia or at China from the propaganda that they broadcast us. You know, and again, it's not just, and the young people are most susceptible to this. You know, once you get to be a little older, you start seeing through it. But we are so inundated, we're all part, through the society. We're all part part part part part part part part part part part part part, we're all all all all all all all all all all all part,. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the the the thia. thia. thia. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thia. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the the the C.i. Ii. Ii. Ii. the the the the the C.i.i.i.ia.ia. Iia. Ia. the the the the the the the the the young people are most susceptible to this. You know, once you get to be a little older, you start seeing through it. But we are so inundated. We're all part through this propaganda, through the media. We're all living in a virtual black operation. And again, that's why this book, TDY, is an allegory of the modern times. Well, we appreciate you, Douglas, especially with the set up what we had to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do the the the the the the to do the the the modern times. Well we appreciate you Douglas especially with the

setup what we had to do today due to this Corona 1984 virus. I appreciate you. His book is TDY. He's Douglas Valentine. We'll do it again soon. I appreciate everybody who's listening. You know we had a couple audio issues so but we want to give you guys your Timfall Hat Fix, X Xavier, thank you, Johnny, thank you. Please go check out Douglas Valentine's book, TDY. May the swarm find you, Douglas and love you. And we appreciate everybody so much. And during the keep checking for for we're cranking out episodes

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