Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #362: The Missing 411 With Our Big Dumb Mouth's Midnight Mike

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Starting point is 00:01:11 I have people texted me, you texted me, I felt all special. I felt famous for once. White people get worried. Yeah, you guys were worried for this Mexican. And according to you, when a Mexican goes missing, you guys will give it, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, to, th, to, to, to, th, to, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and, and, and, and, thi, and thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th guys, we'll give it three days. Yeah, 48 hours, that's it. After 48, first 48. Ryan's back. You know, uh, tell, real quick. How's George Press stories going?

Starting point is 00:01:36 That's your podcast. Yeah, it's one of the podcast that I do that I produce. It's me, George Perez. It's called George Press stories, and it's just fun. He's a DJ at a strip club, so you can imagine what type of shit we talk about. Sounds glorious. Also over here, to know him is a love, and apparently he's a podcast god. He was named Podcaster of the Week by Podcast Magazine. Please welcome Johnny Woodard, aka Johnny Nice. What's going on, buddy? How's it going?

Starting point is 00:02:05 Johnny, we did an epically long, broken sim yesterday. When's that drop? Um, well, it'll be on Patreon right now, if you want to go to the Broken Sim Patrion, and then it should be out. I'm aiming for this weekend. I'm going to try like help it out. So it should be two two two two two two two two two two two two two two two two two two weeks weeks weeks two to be to be to be to have ad commitments so. Add commitments! So check out the Patreon, check out the

Starting point is 00:02:28 podcast, it's loved. It's basically we call it the the Sports Center for the Apocalypse guys. I have some amazing stuff going on. I'm very excited. I am going to be in Wisconsin this weekend. Yes, all this week. Thursday through Saturday. That's September 10 through the 12th. I will will. So. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to to the the the the th. the the the to the to the to the to the to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. Ad. Ad. Ad. Ad. Ad. Ad. Ad th. Ad th. Ad th. Ad to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the the the the the th Yes, all this week. Thursday through Saturday, that September 10th through the 12th, I will be live at the Skyline Comedy Club. That Skyline Comedy Club, Skyline Comedy.com, go check that out. Should be a good time. Zane Helbergs with me. Then the following, two weeks after that, I am, which would be September 24th through 26. I'm in Raleigh, North Carolina. I am playing good nights with my good friend John Toll he'll be there. John Toll the man who loves to use a thousand words he'll be

Starting point is 00:03:15 there joining us so I'm very excited to gig with him and we'll probably do a podcast together and then finally October 1st through the 3rd, I will be at the, Bob, Bob, Bob, St. Louis, Heliums. Go check that. That's St. Louis, Heliums, and I will be out there as well. So super excited to be there. I got shows coming up. I'm doing Cleveland in October as well. Couple great shirts are coming out. Do we got some great shirts. If you want to support show, go to tinfoil hat t-shirts.com.

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Starting point is 00:04:26 every Tuesday and then I have a fun show that I do with my good friend Brian Callan he doesn't believe in any conspiracies we definitely argued for about 30 minutes on whether Lady Gaga worships the devil and he refuses to admit it but we all know it's true so if you're looking for it go to patreon dot com slash conspiracy social club and he refuses to admit it, but we all know it's true. So if you're looking for it, go to Patreon.com slash Conspiracy Social Club, myself and a lizard person. The other day I asked him what the, what were CFR Christmas parties like.

Starting point is 00:04:56 So that's a whole fun episode right there. And then I got a spiritual podcast. It's called Zero. It is available exclusively on Rockfin. Go to Rockfin ROKF-FIN.F.F.F.F.F.F.F.F.F. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I that's conspiracy. I that's conspiracy. I that's conspiracy. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I spiritual podcast. It's called Zero. It is available exclusively on Rockfin. Go to Rockfin ROKFIN.0-FIN.com. Slio is spiritual podcast. And I love it, ma'am. I've done some great shows on an anasticism. I mean, it's just a wonderful, I had Graham Dunlop from the Grasamerica there. So I just had them, we talked about spirituality and recovering. So that is it.

Starting point is 00:05:31 Let's get to it. Guys, this guy is basically the glue of a group called the Union of the Unwanted, where all the independent researchers and podcasts get together, talk about the week that was in conspiracies, in politics, censorship's a big thing. All the taboo subjects, all your favorites get together. He's got a great podcast, man, called Our Big Dumb Mouse. Please welcome Midnight Mike, everybody. How are you? In Midnight Mike we trust I always say. Hey thanks Sam, Johnny X. Thanks for having me back. I really appreciate it. We got great feedback on last time and you really do so much

Starting point is 00:06:18 amazing things for the union of the unwanted the unwanted. You do, you do great jobs on so I'm really appreciative. Can you tell us about your podcast our big dumb mouth real quick? Yeah, I started the podcast back in 2005, 2006. It's a, it's a, it's been going for a while. And I tell everyone this up front, it is like a mix of like Art Bell and Opie and H. Opie Anthony and Howard Stern. It literally, if you listen to two episodes, you'll probably get it, but it does require two episodes. It's like a lot of sound effects,

Starting point is 00:06:53 a lot of different stories, conspiracies, current events, a lot of goofing around, it's fun. What is the reaction to that? Because there's a segment and not all all of them. The swarm, good morning swarm. They're wonderful people, but there is a segment of the group that's very serious about everything. I get a lot of negative feedback. A lot of negative feedback.

Starting point is 00:07:17 People take everything so serious. It's like, there's a, with any community, there are zealots in it. And if you dare to poke fun or humor about any one of the subjects, whether it's missing 411, UFOs, or the paranormal, they take it as a personal affront to their belief system, and then they'll call your names. How many times you get called? What do you get called more? A a a a shish, a shish, a get well I it's like you get you usually get

Starting point is 00:07:48 accused of not knowing anything not doing your research making fun of dead people in granted they're probably right about all that stuff but what am I supposed to do not have fun like I mean this I like to goof around as one of the benefits of doing the shows is is to have fun with your friends and It something comes up. That's a little darker in nature I don't think anything is too much of a taboo to not make fun of or talk about. Yeah, it's very interesting because we do those dangerous shows as well and people have weirdness. It's like this isn't the show th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi's thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the thi. the the the the the the the the to the the the the the the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. theeeeeeea. thi. thin. theeeea. theeeea. thea. thi. thi. It's like this isn't the show for you. If you know you want to get emotional about crap go watch the view. This isn't the view. We have these dangerous talks and it's like doesn't mean we're co-signing on anything. We're just having a discussion about it and that's what's the beauty of being an independent entertainment. We don't have to to play by anybody else's rules. And if thain and thian, and thian, and thian, and thian, thian, thian, thian, thian, thian, thian, thian, thian, thin, thin, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus thus, thus, tho, tho, tho, tho, their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thus, thus, thus, thus is thus is thus, thus, thus, thus, that, that, that, that, that, thean, thean, toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooes, the an anybody else's rules. And if you can't, listen man, I'm putting out so many podcasts. If you don't like this one, stop it.

Starting point is 00:08:48 Go listen to another one. There's so many of them. Just calm down. It's like, it's like, you know, it's like, my whole opinion on Joe Rogan and he's my good friend. I love him. A lot of people are getting really angry because they think he's not keeping true to that what the earlier show was and I'm like you know when it was smaller you had more more room to navigate not so big man and let's face it dude everybody on the show has done the show for a while Mike's done his show it's almost old enough to drive his show right right I mean the truth is dangerous it's danger and it's so sad that that's that's real that's th that th that that that that th that th that th that's th that's th th that's th th th th th th that's th th th th th th that that that that that that that that that that thi thi that thi thi thi thi th th th th thi th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the thi the the the the the the the the the thi the thi thi thi thi th, right? Right? I mean, the truth is dangerous. It's danger and it's so sad that that's real, but the truth is dangerous.

Starting point is 00:09:33 I mean, it can be to people who are locked into a belief system if they're not open to it. I know the word conspiracy is now super taboo. And regardless, I'm not trying to convince anybody. All I'm trying to do is present options about reality. That's it. Present options, using your imagination, some fun of thought experiments and hopefully have some good conversations along the way. Dude, people were getting upset at the comedy store on Saturday. We were just talking, the saying jokes and some ladies started recording us and Black chicks started recording us, flipping us off, had to

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Starting point is 00:10:52 quick I didn't mention what is the name of it Timfall Hat Swag.com Yeah. These are our new cups everybody look how cool that is. It's got my cute face right there I'm sorry about that but look what it says on the side Wake the fuck up. So that's a great way to support the show as well. Go to Timfall Hat Swag dot com and you'll be able to get that. There will be a time everybody where there will be one website. Trust me on that. I'm working on that. That's the next evolution of the show. One stop. Midnight Mike. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the to. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm. I'm the to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the Mike first of all where did you get the name midnight Mike? My my I used to play in a metal band and my drummer would call me midnight Mike because I would always like he would never catch me at home and I'd always come back home like 230 3 o'clock in the morning that kind of stuff and I don't know it's a goofy name he gave me I think I think he's try to make fun of me but I thin I the best. I the the the the th. the th. th. th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just the the the the the the the the the th. th. the the the th. th. th. the the the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the thi the the the he was trying to make fun of me but I think it's the best name ever yeah yeah so I it's like hey it's stuck with me why not it's

Starting point is 00:11:48 not Johnny Nice but it is right there I say it's like great it's Johnny Nice and Midnight Mike now that is the greatest morning show of all time right let's do it so something we talked about before a subject that I've been asked about forever Johnny kind of the last show it th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thus thus thus thus thus th thus the thus thus thus th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th thus thus thus thus thus the the the the the ty took took took took took took took took took took took took took took took took the thu the the the before, a subject that I've been asked about forever. Johnny kind of brought it up on the last show because it's such an interesting topic and that's the missing 411. Now I always called it the missing 411 but apparently that's just in my head. The missing 411 sounds like a great band by the way and it's an interesting topic. Where do you want to start?

Starting point is 00:12:26 So I'll start with that title. I think it is technically called Missing 411. I pronounce it Missing 411. I've been called various names and threatened for calling it missing 411. Who's getting mad at you? Trust me dude, but you're gonna get comments on this. But with this episode, you put Missing 411 in title, you're going to make comments, I promise you. I'll start with this. So, um, missing 411 is a phenomenon or a set of data that was discovered

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Starting point is 00:13:42 primarily national parks. And the data points that he discovered that he includes in his books are people that go missing. Usually canines that are called out to do search and rescues. They cannot pick up the scent of the person. Sometimes the dogs will show up, they'll initially catch the scent, and then they will just give up. Like, they can't track the scent any further. Either they'll just go in a circle, lay down, or they just lose interest altogether. Another point is that when a person goes missing and

Starting point is 00:14:17 search and rescue is called out, there tends to be some sort of a weather event, whether there is a blizzard or a storm, some sort of major weather event that winds up impacting the search in a negative way. So they either have to halt. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Another interesting tidbit is that when a person goes missing

Starting point is 00:14:41 and their body winds up, turning up again, it's usually in an area that was previously searched, an area that was combed over many times and then a few days later the body winds up right there in a place that was already looked through. That's so interesting, dude. It gets creepy and it gets creepier. Another, another is pieces of clothing go missing. That includes shoes. A lot of times the victims are found without shoes done. Like they'll find a body. It'll have the socks on. It'll be yards and like hundreds of yards away from where it went missing, where they went missing, and their socks are completely clean. So why take off the shoes? Why take off the clothing? What happens there? That's creepy a shit. Yeah. He's doing

Starting point is 00:15:31 dry cleaning while they're murdering somebody. It gets bizarre. And he also discovered the typical time when someone goes missing is usually late afternoon or early evening, right around, you know, the dusk areas. Oftentimes people are found, their bodies are wound up in near creeks, rivers, ponds, lakes and streams, so bodies of water and oftentimes around boulders and large deposits of granite. And you can also include in the crazy. Yeah it gets crazy and then he also knows and discovered that there's all there's tends to be a point of separation where there's a group of like hikers let's say there's like five hikers and someone in the back of the line

Starting point is 00:16:22 says I got a headache I'm gonna go back to camp and that's the last time that person is ever seen again. That's so creepy, dude. Is your, uh, is your intuition that the headache or, you know, the reason for going back the camp is somehow part of it, like there's some kind of, uh, some kind of some kind of I don't know it appears it appears and David has talked about this that I mean there are stories where it is a sunnet of a sickness or some sort of ailment that will cause the person to leave the group so whether that is an outside force or something internally, it appears as though it might be some external force causing that illness to force the separation from the main group. That's fascinating. It kind of

Starting point is 00:17:16 reminds me of, you remember those, what were they, kind of energy weapons that were being directed at what, the embassy at Cuba? Yeah, it kind of sounds like that, right? The symptoms of that which were like a, like a sonic weapon? Yeah? Yeah, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, yeah, uh, uh, yeah, yeah, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, uh, th, th. It, uh, th. It, th. It, uh, th. It appears, uh, uh, uh, th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. It appears, thi. directed at what the embassy of Cuba? Yeah, yeah, it kind it kind of sounds like that, right? The symptoms of that, which were like a sonic weapon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's kind of interesting, right? That they used that and all those people got sick? Yeah, I mean, little no one, there's also another sonic attack that happened in China as well. That's not really widely known, but there's one in Cuba, like, like the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the sonic, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the sonic, the sonic, s so so, sonic, sonic, sonic, sonic, sonic, sonic, sonic, sonic, sonic, sonic, sonic, sonic, sonic, sonic, sonic, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, known, but there was one in Cuba, like you mentioned, and then there's one in China, and then the sonic attack in Cuba, it wind up causing like massive brain hemorrhage

Starting point is 00:17:53 to the people. Like it severely affected them, like beyond what we would just consider like a loud noise. It impacted their, their brain in significant ways. Did they recover from that brain? I think some of them did, but I think there's long lasting effects. And they there was a rumor that in speculation, it was just super loud crickets. How stupid is that shit? Come on.

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Starting point is 00:20:42 be a collection of serial killers that would span the country and or the globe kind of taking people in a very similar fashion. It's a possibility in some of the cases but some of the cases are so bizarre that I doubt it's not impossible I doubt a killer necessarily would be involved because you're out in a very remote piece of land here in America and how would they carry a body away and then to return the body to a location that is currently being searched by search and rescue people. It seems very dangerous if you're a serial killer why would you try to return the body to a place that was

Starting point is 00:21:24 previously searched and you know humans are there. It wouldn't make much sense if you want a serial killer, why would you try to return the body to a place that was previously searched? And you know humans are there. It wouldn't make much sense if you want to keep on doing the crime. Not impossible. I just don't think it's a likely scenario in a good chunk of these cases. I'll give you for instance, right here. Yeah, go, go, go, go, go, yeah. So one of the most, I guess, interesting cases for a missing 411 scenario would be Henry McCabe. Henry McCabe, he was 32 years old when he disappeared, went missing. He was a professional,

Starting point is 00:21:56 he was out drinking with some friends, they dropped him off at a convenience store, and he never made at home. Now, he did wind up trying to call his wife on the way home and there is an interesting piece of audio here. Now this is very hard to come by. I had to go back through my archives and and pick this out. It has since been back online, but I can play you the news report. This is how the news reported this. And then we can talk about what is actually being conveyed through this voicemail message. All right, dude, this is creepy. So take a listen to this news report from ABC. This is from 2015.

Starting point is 00:22:48 Oh, hold on one second. We turn on my, my audio here so you guys can actually enjoy the audio with me. Here we go. It's a voicemail unlike anything you've ever heard before. There are two minutes worth of noises, bizarre ones. But very little actual talking. Authorities confirmed the disturbing middle of the night call came from Henry McCabe's cell phone. It was Labor Day September 7th and 228 in the morning. McCabe's worried wife heard the message.

Starting point is 00:23:22 His and my cell phone connected. Minnesota Community Policing Services is a non-profit agency and acts as a go-between with police and the librarian community. The leader is trying to help the family make some sense of this recording. The growls turned to high-pitch moans. So, like he's moaning and pain. Like moaning in pain. The torture grunts suddenly stop.

Starting point is 00:23:48 There is silence. Then someone, either Henry or another person says, stop it. I try to picture where he was. What it might have been like. What circumstances would have made him sound like that. The voicemail is in stark contrast to other articulate recordings of McCabe speaking at an event. He's a state auditor.

Starting point is 00:24:14 What is the justification? What is the right to do? The message is one piece of evidence. Moundsview police are reviewing. The police chief tells me even the FBI is analyzing the recording and voices for clues. The chief says the investigation took deputies here on Tuesday. To Rice Creek Park, which borders New Brighton, Moundsview and Fridley, all areas where McCabe was reported seen or a cell phone ping placed him. Gramsey County Water Patrol searched but came up empty. He was found in water. They they said the cause was drowning but he was also in a

Starting point is 00:24:51 previously searched area. Now as you heard the FBI came in and grabbed that that piece of audio. I actually contacted the news station because the news station used that in their their piece to use in their news report, they never got back to me. I contacted the police department to see if I can get the raw audio. They never got back to me. Did they play the Stop It, him saying Stop It in that report? No they did not.

Starting point is 00:25:15 I don't think I heard it. I didn't hear it because that clicks and pops? It's so bizarre. It is it's probably one of the most creepy pieces of audio I've ever heard because of all the surrounding circumstances of his disappearance and once you start reading about other missing 411 cases like oh my god is there something out there stalking and hunting people? Have you played this backwards? No I have not. I have not played it backwards.

Starting point is 00:25:48 I would love to. Please do not. There has to be something taking people because a lot of kids have gone missing straight from the car, like buckled in, ready to go like kind of like, yeah. Well and this, absolutely, this is so much, yes. It's a cat, you go camping with to camping with to camping camping camping camping camping camping camping camping camping camping camping camping camping camping camping camping camping camping camping camping camping camping camping camping camping, you to to to to to to to to to the they. they. they. they. they. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I. I. I. I. I, I. I, I. I, I. I. I. I, I. I. I, I, I. I. I. I, I. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the, the. there so much. Yes. It's a cat. You go camping with your family. You're chilling and all of a sudden you go to the bathroom. The kids, you know how you buckle them in. All of a sudden the kids unbuckle. It's gone missing. And what do you do? You assume your kid can't walk away that far, right? A lot of times, the people who get abducted to some profile points, hyper-intelligent of

Starting point is 00:26:29 German descent. What? It's that specific? Yeah, he is just like, if you're of German descent and you are fairly intelligent, like a doctor or a scientist, you're more likely to go missing. Also, a kid that happens to have a disability or an illness. They're also more likely to go missing in the missing 411 profile as well. Oh, that's... My God.

Starting point is 00:26:54 There was just a kid 12 months ago, Nora and Corrin in Malaysia, who was on vacation with her family. She went missing for 10 days. They found her less than a mile away from the resort. And they claimed that she died of starvation within seven days. And she had a mental disability, learning impaired. And how do you die of starvation within seven days? Now, there was a shaman that came on the scene and said she was actually taken by a genie. And they are, right now there's a lawsuit going on between the family and the people who manages the resort of like why is this not an

Starting point is 00:27:37 actual criminal investigation of an induction, a kidnapping and how does our kid die of starvation and stress within seven days. Well if you say if if you're really saying they died of starvation and stress within seven days then there should be some kind of I mean neglect involved there because for someone to be in that poor health to begin with their that I don't know if that's just yeah it usually will take an adult about 40 days to die of completely starvation wow! Damn dude so that so it's like it th th th th th th so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's th that that's that's that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th that th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the the the the the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. Wow! Damn dude. So that so it's like now so it's not just in like one particular forest. It's in many national parks. Are there any national parks that are more mysterious than others where more of these cases have happened? Is there anything similar about these

Starting point is 00:28:24 these forests? I know you said like, did you get a description of where they, I've been in shock the whole time, have you, did you get a description of what the surrounding areas have in common? So I guess the commonalities, so as to answer your first question, I believe David has identified Yosemite National Park as one of the epicenters of like some of the most interesting cases and the largest number of clusters with the missing 411 profile.

Starting point is 00:28:55 But I guess the commonality would be the large deposits of granite and within those granite could also contain quartz crystals. That's something to take note of. Also, a lot of times, now David really hasn't mentioned this, but other people have put this together that the cave system, there's a cave system throughout the United States, and the cave system kind of links up pretty closely to a lot of these clusters that David Floyd

Starting point is 00:29:26 has identified. So you have a large cluster of people who go missing and then you have a cave system that is fairly close by. And if you look at the missing 411 map, I mean I can bring it up on screen and show it to you guys that the center of the United States of America is pretty clean. Not a lot of disappearances going on through the center of the United States of America is pretty clean. Not a lot of disappearances going on through the center of the United States of America. But in the book Off the Grid,

Starting point is 00:29:53 David has identified people within cities who go missing in very mysterious ways. So it's not something that's unique to national parks and forested areas. There are mysterious disappearances happening everywhere. It's just these identify clusters that are pretty much federal, federally owned property. Are the national parks? I'm not trying to be as smart as here. And I'm not doing this towards you.

Starting point is 00:30:19 I'm doing this towards the concept, which is, are all missing people mysterious like what what what characteristics do these particular missing people have that they would be thrown under the 411 and why is it 411 by the way have you answered that yet I think it's just a 411 isn't that isn't 411 just a name another you answered that yet? I think it's just a 411. Isn't that isn't 411 just a name another like dial that for information you know so there's I think that's what David. Yeah like is it has a 411 you got the 411? Yeah yeah you want some 411? Okay I get that I thought maybe had to do with a number that a number of people. The numbers are like in the thousands, right? Yeah, he's identified well over a thousand people

Starting point is 00:31:09 that have gone missing in these unique ways, like victims being found in areas that have been previously searched, time of disappearance, like these weird things. Like there is a four instance that this kid who went missing, they searched for days and days and days, probably upward 10 days. They found no body, no identifiable thing that led to give any indication what happened to

Starting point is 00:31:35 this kid. A year later, some hunters were in the area and they found the remnants of a skull and the clothing of this kid neatly folded and placed upon a log. What? Those are the kind of things that would would th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. T thi. Thea there thi. Theirs. Theirs there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there th. th. there th. th. th. th. th. th. th. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. Thea th. Thea th. Thea the. Thea the. T. the. thate. the. the. thee. the. the. theeee. theateatea. There is there is there is there is of this kid neatly folded and placed upon a log. What? Those are the kind of things that would make a missing 411 case unique versus something that is just a normal run-of-the-mill missing person or some abduction scenario due to a family member or a close personal friend. Well, the reason David gets a discredited is because he's a big foot believer. Yeah. Yeah that's why he gets discredited and that when people he brings it up no matter that he works

Starting point is 00:32:12 for the FBI doesn't matter. Once he says I'm a big foot believer people people like, fuck this guy. Literally. They're looking for a reason to get out. Yeah. They're looking for a reason not to believe. It's why a lot a lot. the their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. to. to. to. to. to. to. their. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. to. their. to. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. to. th. to. th. th. th. th. that. that. th. lot of, and we're not going to have a debate on this, it's why a lot of people are closeted flat earth people. Yeah, just like closet of trumpers. Yeah, closet, that's a great example. Closited trumpers. My head still spending over that call. That's just so disturbing that call.

Starting point is 00:32:40 His body, right, was, I mean, everything was consistent with drowning. Is that what the forensic people were saying? Well, they found him in water. But I mean, there were no, there were no, like he wasn't like harmed anyway physically, like it didn't seem like an animal attack or something. There's not, there wasn't, from what I read, not a lot of abrasions on him that would indicate a struggle. One of the things that David has a their. their. thi. thi. thi. So, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, th. th. th. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the, the, the, the. the the the the ths that David has discovered, that only happens in a private autopsy, the family, the family winds up spending money, is that there winds up being in some of the bodies an extra high level of GHB, which is the date rape drug. What? That's what he has discovered. Now, GHB does naturally occur in your body, but he has found it at much higher levels than what would normally occur after death.

Starting point is 00:33:36 And that's another little variable to this that makes it all the more intriguing. Are people being paralyzed by something, being drug away to some area where they are then kept and then either killed, released, or something? It's almost like a catch released or kill scenario. You know, it sounds interesting about that. So we had Phoenix to Yurius on and he was talking about how like, how if you take a look at like aliens and the relationship to us and like how we're so shocked when let's say a human body's been mutilated right which is shocking obviously to everybody but to aliens it's no different than us taking a pig to slaughter right

Starting point is 00:34:21 these are we we see unfortunately the way we treat pigs who are highly intelligent we take a to the the to slaughter, right? These are, we see, unfortunately, the way we treat pigs who are highly intelligent. We take them to slaughter, we kill them, everyone's like, I love bacon. You're like, okay, man, we're killing very smart animals. But, you know, the way aliens look at us, like, where we could be their pigs, meaning they could be just using, kidnapping us, doing their experiments on us, and just throwing away the body parts. So what if, what if there's just some intergalactic fucking roofiers out there, or maybe Bigfoot's out there fucking roofing people doing weird shit to them and then just, I mean, folding the clothes seems like really crazy.

Starting point is 00:35:05 Well, we freak out when we see cow mutilation that, what is it, the communulations that they do on the... Communulations? Yeah. We freak out when we see that, when we do that shit all the time. Yeah. Like, why the fuck we're freaking out're like, oh my God, the humanity! And there's another book called Into Nowhere, which is written by Thomas Sprague, and this guy

Starting point is 00:35:34 actually went through a lot of the data that David Pallett has put out, and I talked to the author a little bit, and what he is kind of insinuating here is that there are hunting grounds and almost like a small migration pattern of hunting that is going on and he doesn't identify exactly what is going on and David Plytas doesn't comment officially on what he is going on what he thinks is going on. But he does leave some tidbits here and there. If you listen to his talks, he'll mention a UFO story that happens in a location that is missing 411, a missing 411 cluster.

Starting point is 00:36:16 He will tag on interesting stories at the end of his book, like one, he mentioned in his latest book, Missing 411 land air and water where he mentions a story of Craig Geiman. He was a hunter he was an elk hunter he went out with his buddy he thought he shot an elk so he dismounted from his horse went over to investigate that's the last time anybody saw him they sent out a search and rescue party They found him below a tree with a broken femur and all his clothes removed and as if he was trying to crawl away from a tree. And as if he was, he had his belt tied around him like he tried to tie himself to the tree to get away from

Starting point is 00:37:00 something on the ground. So David put this in his book, but he also tagged it, linking it to another story of Donald Shrum, which Donald Shrum is a hunter who went out hunting in the 1960s with his buddies. He got separated. And Donald Shrum tells a story that he fought off aliens. He had to tie himself to a tree. He saw two humanoid aliens approached him, he kicked down at him and threw stuff at him, then two more robotic aliens approached the bottom of his tree, released gas up into him to try to knock him down. So Donald was continuing passing out and waking up

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Starting point is 00:38:08 Dude, I think, listen man, it goes back to like, it's like when I get like really nervous about talking about the occult man, it's like you're gonna let shit in, but you know, it's like, you can't understand this until you accept that it happens. And once you accept that things like this happen, you start seeing these things more and more and more. I heard that Ronald Traygan piloted the UFO. Oh, he's a good pilot. Yeah, he's a war guy. But David does leave these little tidbits in here linking back to like UFO stories, but it's not necessarily UFOs because he also links back to stories and talks about people seeing translucent figures in the woods, in the trees. Translucent figures like the predator from the predator, the predator, in

Starting point is 00:39:00 Predator Part 2. Sounds like your story, right? The guy who, Sam, who you said saw like a translucent sort of figure, comment. Yeah, the guy, I was going to, I'd be like, did I tell that story already, but I'll tell it again. Please do. The guy who was, I'm trying to get this dude to find the contact to that. the guy to about the time. Him and his wife and his dog were driving. They pull over on the side of the road.

Starting point is 00:39:31 They're deep into the forest. They pull up to the side of the road. The dog kind of runs off and he goes out to get the dog. It's late. And all of a sudden he looks up and there's like what what, the the like a humongous green screen and on this green screen is some sort of like a humanoid thing that is crawling up the green screen and that stops and it looks and it sees him and they both freeze the thing freezes he freezes and then it goes kind of camouflage but you know when you see cat you can still kind of see it starts crawling down he starts freaking out he looks where his dog is his dog is already ran back up to the car so much for man's best

Starting point is 00:40:16 friend right runs up the back up to the street his wife is staring at it going what is that is that a green screen the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. they. the theeeeeeeeee is. they. the the the they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the street his wife is staring at it going what is that? Is that a green screen? And they kind of freaked out and and took off See this one I don't think it's one phenomenon. I don't either do the more I've been thinking about this this is like, this is like every sci-fi thing all in one. Okay, this is, we've all heard of this place, Sky Walker Ranch. This sounds like a Sky Walker Ranch's National Park. Skin Walker, yeah, Skid Walker.

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Starting point is 00:41:37 natural cul-de-sac for all this kind of activity and sometimes when people are out wandering the woods they actually wander into this different land and they are kind of twisted in a different reality and people can't find them. There's a there's a story in this missing 411 book from it's Harry Mahoney from like 1925 where these kids are out hunting and this one kid Mahoney he got separated found him later I think the next year he had guns with him what the next year they found they well he's dead they found his body next year oh and so they found his body next year he had his pistol with him but he expended all his pistol rounds and he was not but a half mile away from the camp so typically when you're a hunter and you're missing you fire off three shots to let people to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th the the th. th. the the the the the the th. the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. th. I thi. I thi. I thi. I th. I th. I th. I the next. I the next. I the next. I the next. I the next. I the next. the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the next the the the the the the the the th. the th. th. I thi. I thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the a half mile away from the camp. So typically when you're a hunter and you're missing you fire off three shots

Starting point is 00:42:28 to let people know you're in distress. It's like one-on-one. So you are, you're telling me that this kid fired off three shots within a half mile and his friends didn't hear it. No, he had to have been probably in a different place where that sound didn't reach his buddies. Yes, dude. Oh my God. Do you have any other cases? I could just list the cases all day. Oh, there was a case where a research,

Starting point is 00:42:56 they were like searching for this kid, and one of the people searching got lost. Oh, no! Yeah, imagine how crazy that is the person searching got lost with their dog and they got found later but he went missing for a whole day as well with his dog. Did he say what happened? No he just said he just fucking didn't know he was like he said, he's. He disappeared. They never found the kid they were looking for but the researcher, whatever, he went missing for a little bit. Well dude, what about the fire in the sky guy? Walton, Thomas Walton, you know, he says he was abducted and he reappeared five days later.

Starting point is 00:43:27 I mean, he went missing from everybody. And they came out five days later and he was, hold on I got the one. Is that recent? Uh, this was in 75. Back in the 60s, 70s, I saw Travis speak. really compelling in person. And it goes into way more detail. Like when Travis Walton was abducted up in northern Arizona,

Starting point is 00:43:50 he was abducted in an area that has some of the most lightning strikes of anywhere in the world. And so under his opinion, when he approached the UFO to interact with it, he believes that the UFO was there actually harvesting particular types of crystals that only exist through the through lightning strikes. He believes he wasn't attacked by the UFO, but he was actually struck by lightning by being in close proximity to this UFO and that the UFO, they took him aboard to save his life. And so they brought him on, did medical procedures with him on him,

Starting point is 00:44:29 and he encountered two of the gray-looking aliens, but he also said, there were some very human-looking people there, and he thought he was being taken to some sort of hangar, and then he was dropped off. So his story is much different in person than what you see in the movie. taken to some sort of hanger and then he was dropped off. He like so his story is a much different in person than what you see in the movie Fire in the Sky. It's fascinating stuff. But as for any other like missing 411 case, I got some I got some audio here. One is David Playter talking about... Yes, please. Oh, day dude. Stephen Fawcett. I have and also have David Polis talking about... Yes, please. All day, dude. Stephen Fawcett, I have, and also have David Politis talking about Moufon.

Starting point is 00:45:10 Let's do the, so the Stephen Fawcett, this is like four minutes. Why don't we do the David Polit is talking about UFOs and missing people? It's about a minute and a half. Here go. I'm all about that dude. I've been a Moufant investigator for 16, 15 years now. So I see a lot of things, the Mufon's mutual UFO network. I see a lot of things and I say, wow, that relates to this possibly. What happened was is that the Cape Fear River, North Southern Carolina, I can't remember now, anyhow, the Cape Fear,

Starting point is 00:45:48 this person wrote about an alien encounter that they had along the river and they named the location. And I said, whoa, next. That corresponds to two people I have written about, this is within miles, that they disappeared from inside of homes. One case, a boy is staying with his aunt in a home

Starting point is 00:46:13 with their dog who's sleeping next to the boy on the floor in the family room. The aunt says, I'm going to turn the alarm on, so if he leaves, I'll hear the alarm go off. She goes to sleep, she wakes up, the dog and the boy are gone.. the the boy.. the boy. the boy. the boy. the boy. the boy. the boy. the boy. the boy. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. toe. toe. they. they. they. they. they. they. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I. I's. I. I. I's. I. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I'm. I's. toe. toe. toe. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea going to turn the alarm on so if he leaves the alarm will go off. She goes to sleep she wakes up the dog and the boy are gone. Alarm didn't go off and huge search never found. Subsequent to that another case under almost identical circumstances boy disappears within two miles never found. These are all the cases I've written about that are inside a home under almost identical circumstances. You know what you're going to find is that police and search

Starting point is 00:46:51 and rescue people when they can't find an answer to something, they will immediately go, oh it's a criminal case. They will use the word abduction. That's their answer to everything. Is it usually kids like underage? Usually the kids, they're typically, from what I've read anywhere from toddler up to like 10 to 12. You know, that's the kid range that go abducted. And the people that do wind up coming back, most likely alive, are kids. There was a case fairly recently last year, maybe a year and a half ago, where a toddler in Kentucky was missing. And I was covering it right from the get-go. And they found this kid alive three days later. In the absolute cold, it was freezing outside. And they found this kid alive, like not very far from his house,

Starting point is 00:47:49 and he was up on this ridge. It was very difficult to get to. The rescue worker said, The kid stated that a bear kept him alive. He made friends with a bear and a bear kept him alive. Now that's not unique. There are often other stories of kids encountering friendly dogs

Starting point is 00:48:10 and tall tree men that protect them. What? Bigfoot. Tree men are big foot. Why can't tree men just be tree men? I don't know. That's a big foot. There's there's one a case that Dave Place talked about, believe from the early 1900s where this girl was was out at dusk and she was missing some family friends and her father found her.

Starting point is 00:48:36 Her hat was missing and when asked what happened to her hat, she said a dog ate my hat, which is weird. But you see this over and over again and a lot of times when these these small kids, kids that can't navigate much on their own, they're found miles and miles away, over terrain that would be very difficult even for a skilled hiker or runner to accomplish. And they wind up within 24 hours, 19 miles away. A toddler. How are how are you doing that unless that kid is being picked up and carried or taken by somebody? A lot of it just doesn't make sense and so search and rescue and police police just in general they don't want to explain it away how you really going to explain it away?

Starting point is 00:49:21 Hey Mike I heard there's different laws. I heard you can't use a drone in the National Parks you have to ask for permission or something. That's federal property I can see them wanting permission but I don't know that for sure. There's a couple things I want to ask you about. You guys remember the Canadian guy that somehow like he's skiing and then the next thing you know he is found on the in California. Yeah, Constantine Philippides. He is he was a 49 year old firefighter. This guy was in great shape, you know. He was a very respected member of the community. He was skiing in New York with all his ski clothes on and he wound up six days later in California with no memory of how he got there,

Starting point is 00:50:07 but at some point along the way, he decided to get a haircut. So I, so it appears in certain circumstances like this, and I, there are other cases within missing 411 where people will just start to do things that are out of their normal character like there's a there is a case of this young up-and-coming doctor where his parents found him out back burning all of his electronics and the next day boom he's gone they found them halfway across the country. Really? In between some boulders. It appears as though there might be some external influence that would cause somebody to just do things

Starting point is 00:50:52 they would wouldn't normally do. What's, oh my god. Like this guy, the guy we just talked about, the firefighter, he blacked out. He has no memory or if he he does remember anything, he's not telling anybody. So did a trucker take him across the country? Or did he just somehow wander into some portal that took him across the country and he was able to navigate space and time? That's so interesting, dude. Have you heard the past gigg uh abduction P A S C A G O U L A abduction it's supposedly these two gentlemen were out fishing and they got

Starting point is 00:51:35 they they allegedly supposedly here it is the Wikipedia October 11 973 co-workers four two-year-, Charles Hickinson and 19-year-old Calvin Parker told the Jackson County Mississippi Sheriff's Office that they were fighting off, they were fishing off the pier of West Bank, the Pescalugala River in Mississippi. When they heard a whirling and whizzing sound, they also saw two flashes of blue light, an oval-shaped object 30 to 40 feet across 8 to 10 feet high. Parker and Hickson claimed they were conscious but paralyzed with three creatures, robotic suit, slip mouse, and crab and crab like pinchers,

Starting point is 00:52:26 took them aboard and the objects and subject them to examinations before releasing them. Now, they go to the cops and talk about this, right? The cops put them on a lie detector. They pass the lie detector. I'm on board. It seems like there are a group of entities that have access to certain passageways and we are just here for the pickets. I do. I just think this realm is so much easy so much more interesting than people think. We may be the highest level of hell or the lowest level of heaven or maybe both.

Starting point is 00:53:11 And it's just like, we are like, we are the entities Tijuana. Like they just come here and just do what they want with us. Westworld style, right? It's like Men in Black that episode, you know, the one, when you come to that port city or whatever, and it, and it, and it, and it's, and it's, and it's, and it's, and it's, or the, or the, and it's, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or the, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, the, the lowest, the the the the the lowest, the the lowest, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the lowest, the lowest, the lowest, the lowest, the lowest, the, the, the, the, the, the, us, Westworld style, right? It's like Men in Black, that episode, you know, the one, when you come to that port city or whatever, and it's all these crazy like aliens coming through. Yeah, it's a port. It very well could be, or maybe that deal that Eisenhower supposedly made back in the 50s with the aliens.

Starting point is 00:53:38 They say, you can abduct anybody you want from our national force, but please try to leave everything else alone. Whoa! That's intra-do you think that was in the agreement? There's got to be some exchange for technology, right? I'm sure that's not giving away for free, but I mean that's a possibility if that meeting did take place and aliens are willing to negotiate an exchange for technology, why wouldn't they want something to return? And what does the federal government have domain over? Federal property. That's perfect. You can just say you got eaten alive or something. Yeah. That's some crazy shit. And you know what? I was talking this on my, on the show the other day with Brian Callan. It's about how, um, it's always like rednecks that they abduct, right?

Starting point is 00:54:27 Like you've never hear them abducting, and I got a joke about, but they don't abduct anybody from West Hollywood. Well, it's interesting though, because he's saying the missing 4-1 profile is actually intelligent people, right? Educated people, is that? Yeah. So of German descent, intelligent doctors, physicists, there's a whole group of physicists that would that went missing in California. I think what you're talking about Sam is it's more of a rural profile. It's like people who are in like less populated areas probably.

Starting point is 00:54:57 Well, what you guys just described though, it would give authorities the agreement with Eisenhower if that does exist it would give the authorities an incentive to cover these things up you know because before we've been like why why you know why wouldn't they want to get to the bottom of it but I mean if it's part of some kind of agreement some extra judicial agreement you know this larger than the government what this miss yeah I'm following your lead right here Johnny that's why they're doing it with with with with with with with missing missing missing missing missing missing missing missing missing this this this missing this missing this missing this missing this missing the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th I I I I'm the. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the the the. the. the. the. thi. I'm. I'm thi. I'm why they're doing it. With this missing 401 are there any kind of men in black that show up and everybody's like hey dude you know don't talk to anybody. Those men and black stories are the creepiest. Dude how about that video I don't know if it's real but it's super

Starting point is 00:55:35 creepy. I love how the men and black like walk into the lobby and like to the the the front desk and the the front desk. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to do. to do. to do. the the the to do. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to do. to to to to do. to do. to do. to do. to do. to do. to do. to do. to do. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the You know what's interesting is the men in black, as they've been described, sound very similar to actually what, what's the fire in the Kais name? It sounds like the humanoids he kind of described. Travis Walton. They were also aboard the ship, you know, they kind of guided him out or whatever. They sound kind of similar in form to... It does appear in some of these missing 411 cases that the the the this, but it might be so compartmentalized that one particular bureau or a regional FBI office is not aware of what the other has information on. But there are reports of people that go missing, and then very quickly after, there is a SWAT team that is deployed to the area, which is very unusual. And then Palladis talks about this case where a boy goes missing and during the search

Starting point is 00:56:32 the green berets are deployed. Wow. And typically green berets are not deployed for for missing people. And in general, the FBI are not deployed for adult missing people. The FBI will assist in missing people for children or if they believe it's across state lines. But there's a story in the most recent movie by David Fletters called Hunters, where he features the story of an older hunter who went out hunting with like five of his buddies. They spread out on the story of an older hunter who went out hunting with like five of his buddies. They spread out on the land and he sat on the stump and that's the last time he was ever seen.

Starting point is 00:57:14 Now people in the area maybe about a hundred yards away they said they heard something pretty close to the time of his disappearance. And it sounded like a trap closing according to them. A what? A trap closing. Like, erksh. Like a bear trap? Here is exactly what he said from that movie. Johnny was my gut out. Is he going to tell you about a sound he heard in the woods that day?

Starting point is 00:57:42 He heard some kind of snapping or crack sound that was strange. It wasn't something normally hears in the woods. He still talks to me about it I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I think there could be dimensional traps, you know, like these these weird traps that are set up. If you wander into one boom traps your clothes and then that sends a notification. the there could be dimensional traps, you know, like these these weird traps that are set up if you wander into one, boom, traps your clothes and then that sends a notification off to somebody where they can come down and inspect the what is in that trap. If they like what you got, you're abducted. If they don't like it, they might kill or release you depending on what they feel at the tree, depending on the the the the the the the the their, depending on their, depending on their, depending on they they their, depending on they they their, depending on they they they their, depending on, depending on, depending on, depending on, depending on, depending on, depending on, depending on, depending on, depending on, depending on, depending on, depending on what they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they their, their, their, their, their, their, their, te, te, te. te. te. try. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. this guy is trying to like pull himself up a tree, but is unable to, right? He's trying to pull himself free from a trap that he can't even see possible? Like, is like, you know, when you see like animals in like traps, they like- Well, remember the guy had a broken leg, right? He's at the tree with a belt? It was, it speculated that he wound up jumping from the tree.

Starting point is 00:58:46 Oh, okay. Like he no longer wanted to be in the tree. And in the other case from Donald Trump, not Donald Trump, Donald Shrum. Maybe it is Trump. During that, during that whole ordealdeal when he was battling aliens or robots in the woods, he contemplated a suicide. He contemplated, it was so overwhelming to him that he didn't want to deal with anymore and he contemplated throwing himself from the tree

Starting point is 00:59:11 to just end it all, but he, you know, he had a family and some kids, so he decided to continue to fight for the rest of the morning. I heard that the man in black trying to fight for freedoms here. We're trying to fight robots. We're trying to fight robots. Yeah, dude, that's so interesting. I just, like, so I'm looking at this Reddit that's on the missing 411 and

Starting point is 00:59:39 one thing they talked about is how that, you know, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, the, the, the, what's his name, Politis? Is that his name? David Politis, yeah. Politis tried to get a list from them and they tried to charge him $34,000. Yeah, they, so especially when it comes to these national parks, they claim they don't have a database of missing people. They do have it, it just, they're gonna charge you an arm and a leg to get it... to get it. to get it. to get it. to get it. to get it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. to get. to get. to get. to get it. to get it. to get to get it. to get a list. to get a list. to get. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. to. to. to. to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah................ Yeah...... Yeah...... Yeah. Yeah..... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah..... Yeah. Yeah.. Yeah.. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the. Yeah. Yeah. the. Yeah. Yeah... of missing people. They do have it. It's just, they're going to charge you an arm and a leg to get it.

Starting point is 01:00:09 And I believe, like, for all the names of the people in Yosemite was in the excess of like, well over a half million dollars for them to process that request. They'll say, hey, we got the information, you just got to pay for it. It's like they make make they make they make they make they make their their their their their their their they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're their their. they're they're they're their. to their. they're they're they're they're to to to to to to their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. they're they're they're their. they're they they their. they their. they they their. they they they they they they're they're they're to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to toe. toe. toe. toe. to. to. to. to. to to to to to to to to to to to to to pay for it. It's like they make it so difficult through the bureaucracy of it all that you can't do any sort of investigation. So he's limited on to what he can afford and what he can get through just standard FOIA requests. So no no one knows exactly how many people have been missing at the U.S. 70 part? Like there's not an exact number? I don't know off the top of my head. I don't think he can, I don't think he has an exact number when it comes to like specific more missing 411 cases.

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Starting point is 01:02:09 I'm guessing it's got to be a million dollars. How much 1.4? Yeah, that's insane. Yeah, that's insane. I mean, that's our paper, you know, it's a federal government. I mean, we pay for that, we pay for the bureaucracy of it all. Why are they charging him again for information that is of public concern? So, it makes makes th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three three thi? 3? 3. thi? 3. thi? thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. three three three three three thi. three three thi. three thi. thi. are they charging him again for information that is of public concern. Also, maybe your records digital. Yeah, come on. No, because that would be easy, dude. I know. They don't want it to be easy.

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Starting point is 01:03:16 every theory is pretty much just as valid as anybody else. It's an innooble fascinating top. There's so many cases it's really hard to keep tha. I've gone off the beaten path and like there's a there's a great book by a Michael Harrison called Vanishings and in here he digs back. He digs back away to things that is about missing people and this weird circumstances. It's not necessarily missing 411 but they sound kind of familiar like this story Charles Ashmore teenage son of an American farmer disappeared November 1878 his voice was heard until the following midsummer

Starting point is 01:03:52 Some even say months after the lads vanishing so the kid went missing and you could still hear his voice in that area like he was trapped in a room just outside this dimension Yelling for help You know what that is like some straight up Stranger things right? Yeah, yes Well, you know stranger things they kind of wrote that from like the Montaug project and well no they ripped off this one woman's It's almost verbatim her website. She says she's 11. No, she's not, she's just kind of like, I had their powers and I did not. And it's just like, everyone's like, why don't you see them?

Starting point is 01:04:34 It's like, she said she could control the weather. She can't do it anymore. But it's like, but these things are just like, it's so interested because like there's all these the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, these these these these these these th these these these these these these these these these these these these thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th these th these th these these these these these these these thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's th. th. th. th. th. thi's, th. thi's thi's thi's thi, thi, thi, like, like, like, but these things are just like, it's so interested because like there's all these like evidence. And then you go, and then you tell somebody doesn't believe that they're like, well, why wouldn't everybody know about it? That's a question for you, midnight, Mike. Why doesn't, why isn't this blatantly obvious to people?

Starting point is 01:05:03 All this blatantly obvious to people? All this stuff. Well, there are articles that are written about this. Like the missing 411 phenomenon in general has been written about in some major publications. It just doesn't gain a lot of traction. It doesn't get pumped out there. So you have to get in the right news cycles to make it concerning to people. I don't know why more people don't care about missing kids or missing people in general.

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Starting point is 01:05:48 It's just like, I'm crazy. Anyways, the Lakers are playing tonight, right? It's just like nobody cares. Like, in particular, white female entertainers in Hollywood are are really upset that a guy they're auditioned for gave them gougly eyes but they could not care that maybe that same guy is involved with pedophila. They just it's like it's so crazy how they compartmentalize everything. I think there's just a certain segment of people people that like to use

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Starting point is 01:07:03 And it seriously looks like David Politis is leaning into some sort of portal area. Why isn't that fascinating to people? Why, I mean, why wouldn't that be concerning? He's like, you know what? We don't know? We don't know everything about physics. It is possible that random portals could open up and your kid could walk into one of them. So make sure you babyproof your portals. I don't know. They should be some sort of concern, but it doesn't, it looks like the news wants their conclusion and a genuine mystery kind of frustrates and scares them. I think it does scare them. I think they like acceptable fear. Yes. I think they would rather think about Islamic terrorism and being given up their civil rights and thinking about there are things

Starting point is 01:07:50 outside of structure that you know cops and government can't protect them from. That day because it's almost like slavery right it's like people love talking about slavery that happened 100, 200, 300 years ago. But when you actually try to bring up slavery going on today in Libya, nobody wants anything to do with it. Because that involves actually getting into places that's uncomfortable. Do you know what I'm saying? Like talking about slavery from, we all have our takes, black people complain, white people apologize, and everybody seems to agree

Starting point is 01:08:29 that's okay, right? That's how we want to be, and slavery was wrong, obviously. But when we bring up, hey LeBron, there's slavery going on right now in Libya, nobody seems to want to be engaged in that conversation. Because that actually takes understanding and actually mind and willpower to deal with. It requires some real work, you know, and no one really wants to do any real work. It's in the same way that the government has denied the existence or studies of UFOs for the past 60 to 70 years. Only recently has the Pentagon and Navy acknowledged UAPs or UFOs because for whatever reason the story seems manageable now. It's what you deny something unless you can figure out an end game to it because for them to acknowledge 10 years

Starting point is 01:09:18 ago that UFOs are real, yeah our airspace is being violated with impunity over and over again and guess what? There's not a goddamn thing we can do about it. Well, it shows that the government is infallible and their power is not unlimited. There is a greater power out there. So, they don't want to submit themselves to something that they don't completely understand and have an answer for. So why are they bringing out UFOs right now? Probably because they have an answer for it, or at least that's what they're going to sell everyone. Here's a theory that Johnny was talking about the other day. Johnny thought that maybe this 4-1 because it involves Germans,

Starting point is 01:09:54 these are the spirits of lost in the Holocaust. I go, Johnny, that sounds like anti-semitter. me out and jai's like they're coming back to exact revenge on the descendants of Nazis I'm like Johnny that sounds crazy but I'll say it for you and I'll ask midnight Mike. Thanks Sam. Do you have any thoughts? I'm perfectly articulated exactly my thoughts. So here's here's my thought on that and I think that missing 411 with all these places there are portals that are accessible to people who have think that Missing 411, with all these places, there are portals that are accessible to people

Starting point is 01:10:27 who have the technology or who know the code to dial into these portals. And if you know the code, you can dial into it. And I think some of the German people, the businesses and the medical doctors that are being abducted, could be the remnants of the Third Reich or the Fourth Rike that need that need....., ne.. That ne.. That that need. That ne. So, ne. So, ne. So, ne. So, ne. So, ne, ne, ne, ne, ne, ne, ne, ne, ne, ne, ne, that need, th, th, th, the the the the the th, the th, the th, the th, th, th, the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the th, the the the the the thi, the the the they, they, the they, the they, the they, the the the the the the the the the thi. ed could be the remnants of the Third Reich that need new scientists, and so they're abducting people of German lineage

Starting point is 01:10:53 to continue their work on. So Hiller is still alive. Damn, dude, I was joking. But I'm onto something. Does that suggest some kind of epigenetic knowledge that they would have been passed through the generations? I'm saying, like, they would, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they need, the, they need, the, the, their, their, that need need need, that need need need, that need need need need need need, that need need, that need, that need, that need, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they need, they need, they need, they need, they need, they need, they need, they need, they need, they need, they need, like, they need, like, like, they need, like, like, like, they?? That, like, they need, like, they need, like, they need, like, they need, they need, they need, they needigenetic knowledge that they would have been passed through to generations? Do you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:11:08 Like they would, like cell memory, you know, like they, like, because why else would the descendants of someone who learned something know that same information, you know what I mean? What I'm saying is like, there could be multiple different groups with the same technology using these portals to do whatever they want. Oh, well, are you suggesting then that it's been passed down potentially among? I think I don't think it's a strong possibility because of project paper clip that the Third Reich really didn't disappear, just mutated into something else. Oh, I think that's for true. I think that's one. It became the CIA. But dude, okay, how about this Johnny. Johnny. Johnny. Johnny. Johnny. Johnny. this th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. It's th. It's th. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It about this Johnny I'm gonna tag your bit okay that you were talking about yesterday maybe they're grabbing these

Starting point is 01:11:50 scientists to help further the further their research and just relieve like leaving behind like the magician right you remember the magician movie that would clone himself and kill off his clone maybe they're just leaving dead clones to throw off the set. So there is a story. It's not that far off. It's a missing 411 case where this, I think his 11 or 12 year old kid was in the woods. He was woken up by his grandmother and was taken to a cave.

Starting point is 01:12:25 And I believe, if I remember correctly, it was his dead grandmother. And it was taken to a cave and for whatever reason this kid went with his grandmother. And he remembers like Sparks kind of shooting off her. Like she wasn't actually real. And the grandmother insisted that he take a shit or a crap on this piece of plastic and would kept insisting on him

Starting point is 01:12:51 to do it over and over again. Come on, buddy. Do it for your grandma. Take a little pupo right here on the plastic. That's what he remembers. It wasn't his dead grandmother. It was just his grandmother. So, and he remembers looking around the cave and seeing like kind of other like robotic-like

Starting point is 01:13:09 things. So the sequence ends, but he winds up telling his story. It turns out that his grandmother went camping in the same area, like three or four weeks prior, but she remembers being pricked in her neck by something. Oh come on and and she just chalked it up as to like a bug bite. You know these there's weird things where she cloned and turned into some sort of mutant robot to force her to force her kid to take a shit on something it's like these are bizarre situations. Which goes back to Germans and SCAT and all that stuff that Nazis were into.

Starting point is 01:13:47 Damn, dude. This thing got deeper. Take up, I mean, if we want to stick in the German UFO stuff, the UFO wave over DC in 1952, to me is a display of force by the remnants of the Third Reich to show that they still had air superiority. And so, I mean, you look at 1952, DC, there's a UFO flap over DC and the authority is like, nah, it's just geese.

Starting point is 01:14:18 No, it's a technology that is being used to show that, hey, you're not in power. Yeah, you grab some of our scientists, but we still got some of the tech. It's just, I don't think they, I don't think they really went away. I don't think, I don't think Rome went away. I think Rome just rebrand themselves, the church, Nazis, I think all that shit. dude. I think it's all the Jesuits are up to some shit. And I think this could be some multiple dimension shit. These could be like, seriously, man, Germans coming back, getting the best of their people to bring into,

Starting point is 01:14:57 to work on these projects, releasing like, I think it's possible. But one thing I wanted to talk about, last time we were on and this really peaked our thoughts was that Your thoughts and you know I know we talked about but I want to revisit it Basically that these people wander into forces force and and it's too much for the simulation, and? It's too much for the simulation to keep it Yeah, and they just get reabsor much for the simulation to keep... Yeah, and they just get reabsorbed into the simulation. Well, I don't think the simulation theory, you can have both, both.

Starting point is 01:15:35 You can have the simulation theory, work with Missing 411, and people who use these portals, which is just an API call to create a portal. You're just tunneling. You're just, I mean, you're basically using the simulation to to to to to to to to the simulation to the simulation to the simulation simulation simulation to to the simulation simulation simulation simulation simulation simulation simulation to to the simulation simulation simulation simulation simulation simulation to to to the simulation simulation simulation simulation simulation to to to to to to to to to the simulation simulation to to to to the simulation, the simulation to to to to to to to to the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation, the simulation call to create a portal. You're just tunneling. I mean, you're basically using the simulation to travel from end to end. You just know the, you just know the codes to create a portal and where are these, these entry and exit points are. I don't think that's mutually, I don't think you have to have one or the simulation and also have all this other stuff going on. And maybe, like I said, I don't think it's any one thing.

Starting point is 01:16:10 I think it's a bunch of different things that all have access to the same knowledge. So it could be the old Germans abducting people. Could be aliens, could be Bigfoot, all using this technology or these portals to do whatever they need to do. As for the simulation theory being booted from the survey because they don't want to render it for you. That's a possibility. They finds people under trees sometimes like in some of the missing 411 cases a person goes missing and then they wind up finding that body underneath a tree with big roots. How does that body underneath a tree with big roots.

Starting point is 01:16:46 How does that happen unless it's placed there or rendered there? What? It's bizarre, yeah. They find people in very weird situations and very locations that they would never be able to get themselves into unless they're assisted in some way. Do you think that because we calcify our panel gland we don't see a lot of this stuff? I don't know. I mean calcify it through drinking water and... fluride the chemicals like we harden this thing so we're not, so let's say our our our Wi-Fi system isn't open to certain kind of energies and vibrations. I think you have to be open to this stuff and I think the more that you are willing to indulge in stuff the more you read about stuff I get got a couple of friends who,

Starting point is 01:17:45 one is a psychic medium and the other is like a trance channeler and they were doing some, they're trying to help people get rid of spirits in their houses. And so they're reading up on this stuff, and the darker side of spirits. And they realized the more that they read up on the stuff, the more that this stuff would start to be in their lives. Objects would start to move around more. They would start to feel more malevolent forces because they were in that world. They started to surround themselves with that material more often. So they started to see it more and experience it more. I think if you want these experiences that you have to immerse yourself in it and

Starting point is 01:18:26 believe it, then only then I think you will start to experience stuff. You're open-minded to it. You have to be open to it and you have to believe the power of belief is very important. So, so, you know, we did a broken simulation yesterday, we did a fake Kung Fu masters, and then we did a fake, a fake psychic. And, you know, there's a famous gentleman, what was his name, that's somehow still alive? The guy was like 90 in the video. He's talking about James Randy. And he debunks all the psychic stuff. And so it comes down to, you know, it's like, it's like when people want to go,

Starting point is 01:19:07 oh, if there's a god, tell him to strike me down right now. And it's like, that's in my opinion, is not how it works. It's not like that. There's nobody like, beep and just hitting you with that. Like, that's not how it works. It's an energy thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And, th. And, th. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, theeeea. And, theea. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And's an energy thing but when there's always this thing okay make this psychic thing happen right now and nobody can ever make it do except for the guy who did the UFO stuff you remember on camera on that news thing yeah oh yeah yeah the guy someone the yeah yeah and some of course goes it's been debunked whenever anybody says it's been debunked I know they read the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the things I I I I was was was things I I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was the I was the I was the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the ti I was ti I'm ti ti teaughea.eauauauc I'm just just just just just just just just thea. thea. theeeaugh is the the the Whenever anybody says it's been debunked, I know they read the title to an article, and they just never read the article.

Starting point is 01:19:50 They just, yeah, every time. Right, every fucking time. But we've seen where they try to do these things on camera, and for some reason, maybe it never works out. Why do you think that is? I don't know why it doesn't work out, but there is a group of scientists that do study this phenomenon, and I believe it is statistically provable that it doesn't exist. They're looking for, like, for skeptists, they're looking for 100 percent. Like it's got to happen. If it doesn't happen now, it's fake. And I don't think that's a very good way to look at it. I think there's a scientist Bill Bingston. He's the SSE. He does scientific exploratory

Starting point is 01:20:35 research. He studies like sci phenomenon, healing at a distance, and he's got papers, and he's got data to back up that psychic healing does work. He's got the data. Now he tries to talk to skeptics and skeptic groups about it and they go into it wanting to be convinced but they don't look at the data. They just believe that it's not going to work so they're not going to look at the data. It's like it's weird. I call that Brian Callan on the Conspiracy Social Club. There's plenty of data. There's plenty of data that this stuff does exist. Now how often it happens? Is it just 1% or 2% but if you're saying to somebody, hey 1% of the time we have this remote viewer who can't locate

Starting point is 01:21:20 something that's going to save millions of lives. When you want to take that chance? Yeah, I agree. I totally agree. I totally, dude, that's so crazy about the trees, man. People coming up under the trees and the roots are through the body. It's, it was underneath, the body was underneath the tree. That's a real case. Yeah, I don't don't don't tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. that's, tho. tho. that's, that's, that's, that's, th. that's, that's, th. that's. that's. th. that's, th. th. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. tot. tot. tot. tot. tot. tot. tot. tot. tot. tot. tot. tot. t. tot. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. It. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. t. t. totally. totally. totally. t. totally. t. totally. totally. totally. totally. totally. totally. don't know off the top of the top of my head, but David Platus goes into, he talks about a story of this priest, I believe in the southwest. He was wandering out in the desert, and he said he wandered into a boulder and was inside

Starting point is 01:21:58 of boulder for quite a while until he wandered his way out of a border. That's what a priest says. Now you'd imagine a priest wouldn't want to tell anybody because that sounds like some devil's stuff. But that's what he's he wandered into a boulder. That sounds like a very fluid reality where you just kind of actually pressed up against it. It's like oh shit I'm in a rock what do I do? It reminds me of this thing that we used that I don't know, like like we were first learning about physics and school, you know, this idea that if the atoms in the universe aligned in a certain way, you could like, that if you knew at that moment to press your hand against the table, your hand could just kind of pass through the table, you know? I mean, because nothing is actually solid. Right. It's, because, because, because, because, because nothing, we were talking about yesterday. So if you could, our bodies are pretty much empty.

Starting point is 01:22:47 Yeah, if you could find a way to manipulate objects, you know, if these people have, these creatures have the technology to manipulate the atoms in an object, you know, it could appear solid and then you could just end up trapped some of the, like some of these are deliberate and then some of these are just people who have wandered into some kind of field of experimentation or something unwittingly, you know, and they aren't really meant to be there, you know what I mean? Some do seem accidental, that's why it's a portal,

Starting point is 01:23:18 you actually wander in. There's a case in the law book where it was like a two-year-year girl girl girl girl girl girl girl girl girl girl girl girl girl girl girl girl girl girl girl girl girl. . uh... there's a there's a case in this uh... the law book where it's like a two-year-old girl went missing for like seventy-two hours uh... and she wound up being found alive uh... she was wet uh... but she was she was okay and she recalled saying that she was on a hill watching people look for her and so she saw the torches and people out calling her name,

Starting point is 01:23:46 but she just sat on a hill and watched everyone. None of the searchers saw her. It was like she was just kind of like on one side of a one-way mirror, you know, or two-way mirror. So she was able to observe but they weren't able to observe her. And so she just maybe wandered in for a few hours and wandered out. It seems all that shit. I think the world is way more interesting than people want to know. They think Bigfoot's a time traveler or whatever, a round changer. That would make sense that he just dips out wherever they go. Dips in, dips out, dog man. And it's not even necessary. I mean you know you think a big th of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of the big of of th of th of th of th of thi thi thi thi thi thi the thi their thi their thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their their their thi. their their their their their their their their their their their their the world their the world the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. their their. their. their. their. the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. ti. ti. the. the. thea. thea. thea. th. thi. thi. the the the the, you know, you think of Bigfoot and you think of something kind of primitive, but it's not necessarily technology. I mean, there could be some kind of species that's adapted to just take advantage of these, you know, the dimension hopping species

Starting point is 01:24:34 that evolved in, you know, in between dimensions possibly. It kind of reminds me of Chubaca. He moves in, he's technology. They they throwned. T their their're like, look, there's other shit out there that's Harry that comes in and out of dimensions. He comes in, he comes out. I don't know, I don't know. What, what a Chobaca? What, is it, a ti-tha-train? their time? their, their, thaahahahahahahah. dimension like Star Wars he could go into he's just from a different planet though he's from Kashy yeah he's just a different planet and they and they

Starting point is 01:25:07 they're traveling through space but they could have technology where it brings him into earth I guess same things dimension I mean it could be big foot a lot of these stories they do have like depending on where you are in the world some attributed to ferries to ferries because of the ferries have a long the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their. their. their. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they's. they's. they's. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're. they're they're they're they're they're they're their. their. their. their. their they're their they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they in the world, some attribute it to ferries because the ferries have a long history of around boulders. And people who often are, who go missing, they say, hey, I'm gonna go out and pick some berries. And next thing you know they go missing, so there could be some sort of fairy connection or ultra-terrestrial connection. Like, alter terrestrial is a name Just use for it's not extraterrestrial. It's just this other realm of

Starting point is 01:25:49 People that currently we share this reality with we just can't interact with them Fairies you can call it bigfoot you can call it gins or genies this other realm that can just kind of dip in take what they want in and dip out who told us that fairies fuck big foot in, take what they want and dip out. Who told us that fairies fuck Bigfoot that that's how they fucking have kids? You remember someone came and told us that? Man I'm off on this one's hand? Where are you at? Someone yeah someone said that fucking they mate with fairies Bigfoot and fairies made each other. That seems like a weird I'm ticker bell, right? th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, I I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, th, th, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th is th is th is th is th is th is thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi's that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's I'm ticker, but I think they're Tinker Bell, right? Well, I think there's the production, according to some of the stuff that I read, is that Bigfoot is the result

Starting point is 01:26:35 of like the Nephium having sex with humans, and the result is the Bigfoot lineage. Here we go again, dude. It always goes back to that. Earth chicks give up the ass to everybody. I don't care whether it's demons, giant, anything to piss off dad. There was this blog post from somebody about invisible Bigfoot. That supposedly in the 1970s, the Lawrence Livermore Labs managed to get their hands on a few Bigfoot

Starting point is 01:27:10 and they're invisible and they lost track of them. And so they wound up roaming around the labs eating people's food out of the refrigerator until they just couldn't find them anymore. Because the Big Foot, according to them, according to this blog, was that they can kind of phase in and out and they're just kind of semi-translucent. Invisible Bigfoot. And there's also rumors that Bigfoot has the ability to incapacitate its prey. Like it can mentally stun its prey to then do whatever it needs to do with them. Maybe that guy we saw on that martial arts video.

Starting point is 01:27:46 Yeah, he's a big foot. Maybe he's a big foot. Using their, their chi, a forced cee strike to incapacitate their prey. Wow, dude. This goes down so many different roads. The fairies and the gins that comes back over and over again. There are stories of demons from the from the mid-east. The Middle East or the mid-east like Ohio. Well not not the Midwest,

Starting point is 01:28:11 mid-east, but demons that will have various weird weather patterns can that they can control the weather upon their entrance or exit of a particular area. So manipulation of the weather... which fits into your 4-1-1 the weather upon their entrance or exit of a particular area. So manipulation of the weather. Which fits into your 411 theory? It's kind of sound like to me, dude. I know we come back to this a lot, but that thing of the native trying to describe Columbus's ships, you know, it sounds like us, primitives, you know, in the past some possible technology that was just indescribable. So their they like, so, so, so, so, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, it, it, it's, it's, like, like, like, it's, it's, it's, like, it's, it's, like, like, it's, it's, it's, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th... th. thiiiiii. thi. their thii. their, which is. their that was just indescribable so yeah they're fairies you know or well if time travel

Starting point is 01:28:49 is possible who knows I think could be these Nazis occultic Nazis tapped into something and they could be going back and you know grabbing people from the way past so I can I can I can play you one last clip from this from from from David Politis. Right I've had a lot of fun your clips Johnny's Nazi theory you you talk about. I love so this has been the best. This is from a talk that I attended I don't know if David's ever talked about this like out on the internet but I attended one of his talks this past January in Phoenix. And this is him talking about Bigfoot, portals, everything. Here we go. Bruce McAmy is a physicist that's done a lot of work to move on.

Starting point is 01:29:39 I consider him a really good friend. He was in our second movie. He's an expert with photo analysis, expert, probably the best in the world. He sent me this photo. And if you can see at the top, there's a little orange. And down here, this is an eye. And what happened was, is a deer walked up to a game camera and triggered it. But this is facing the west. And it was taken at 5 in the morning, so it couldn't have been the sun coming up,

Starting point is 01:30:18 climbing up for that orange. This is a photo of the top side. There's a conical head, and it's really hard to see in this. This is a photo of the top side. There's a conical head, and it's really hard to see in this, but there's also two eyes there. And I asked Bruce, what in the heck is that? He says, Dave, this matches about five or six photos that were sent to me, of like a portal opening up in an orange horizon in the background. Folks, very similar, very similar to what

Starting point is 01:30:53 was seen at Skin Walker damaged by retired FBI agents, when a portal opened up above the horizon on the land and they saw a bigfoot crawl out of the window frame and jumped down under the land. There was this orange background. What are you saying there? He's got a photograph from a photograph from Bruce McAby, optical physicist, and they're making a compare and contrast of what was seen at Skin Walker Ranch, which is a portal that you can look through to a different land where it's an orange background. And this is what NID said Skinwalker Ranch discussed and went on record about seeing being a place now and so there

Starting point is 01:31:35 appears to be if all this is true some way that a portal opens up to a different land and Chebacca comes through and just God knows what to whoever they want. Yeah, it's crazy. Who's walking into portals? Chibaca. I mean, dude, things happen, dude. You don't know when you're in a portal, you might just walk into it, you don't know it. I mean, Arizona's got portals.

Starting point is 01:32:04 There's a lot of crazy shit out there dude. There's a lot of crazy shit out there. Midnight Mike, you crush again as always man. If you love Midnight Mike, you gotta check out his podcast. He's also, it's called our big dumb mouth podcast. And he's also one of the leading forces, the glue at the team, of a very popular thing that is growing called the Union of the Unwanted. It is all your favorite independent researchers getting together and discussing the latest topics. And he came, piece off, he kicked ass. Anything you want to point out for them to go check out real quick? Yeah, just take a listen to OBDM pod. Just go to point out for them to go check out real quick? Nah, just take a listen to OBDM pod.

Starting point is 01:32:46 Just go to OBDM pod.com. Give it a few episodes, we'll grow on you. We really appreciate it, Sam. Thank you. Hey, dude, anytime you're always welcomed. And I want, and we'll talk later on more about the union the unwanted. We appreciate you midnight Mike. I appreciate you, thii Mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi mi. the the the the the the the the the the th. the th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. th. to. th. th. th. th. appreciate you, XG, man. Thank you so much for coming today. Hope you guys enjoyed it and we will talk soon. Take care. Bye, see you guys in Wisconsin.

Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #362: The Missing 411 With Our Big Dumb Mouth's Midnight Mike

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