Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #372: Everything Is A Spell with Maverick Matthews

Starting point is 00:00:00 Tinfoil Hap. Oh, what the fuck are you guys even talking about? Global controls will have to be imposed, and a world governing body will be created to enforce them. Welcome to Tinfoil Haas. We go deep home, boy. Eric, open your mind. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit.

Starting point is 00:00:33 Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. There's, you just blew my mind. Are you ready to get your mind blown? Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Tinfoil. You know what I am. You know what I'm here to do? I'm here to rock.

Starting point is 00:00:53 That's right. Guys, real quick I want to say something. This episode's a real fun episode. It's with my good friend, Maverick Matthews. I'm super excited to have them on. It's a real fun conversation about, you know, just the universe, art, intelligence agencies, controlling certain people, their fingerprints, culture, just basically controlling your reality and stuff like that. So it's a fun conversation. Now, I have to be honest with you, there's a couple moments where you can hear what's

Starting point is 00:01:29 going on in my place. I'm really sorry about that. It's just this is my life right now. I'm blessed to have two babies. You know, Martha isn't feeling well, so it's just a kind of chaotic moment. Obviously, I would prefer to do to do the recordings the recordings the recordings the recordings the recordings the recordings the recordings the recordings to do the recordings to do the recordings the recordings to do the recordings to do the recordings to do the recordings to do the recordings to do to do to do to do to, I would prefer to do the recordings in the studios, but that's not possible. And I know that you guys can listen to anything you want.

Starting point is 00:01:52 I keep that mind all the time, so I just want to say, sorry, we're trying our hardest. And we love you very much. And I hope the swarm can understand, sometimes being a dad is a little crazy. So I just want to stay that opening up. It's a great show. I hope you enjoy it. It's just a fun conversation. I've been trying to do a little bit of more of these shows where we just have conversations. I like having guests. I like them coming, telling us how they see the world. But I also like just sing down my friends and talking. This was a great conversation between myself, Maverick Matthews and Johnny, nice.

Starting point is 00:02:27 We don't know where XG is. He could be dead. We don't know. But let's hope and pray. Let's pray to the big taco truck in the sky that my man's here still with us. I think so, but he might be out to get weird too, so we didn't know. guys, if you want you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you to to to th you th you th you th you thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be told. told. told. to me. too. too. too. too. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. today. toe. toe. toe. toe. to to me. to to to to get weird too, so we didn't know. Guys, if you want to see me live, well, my next appearance you'll see me, I will be on the Comedy Store Docs series on Showtime that starts October 4th.

Starting point is 00:02:55 I'm supposedly in three other five episodes, so I don't know what episode I'm in, but it starts October 4th. Hang out, check it out. I'm really excited to be an honor to be a part of it. I've canceled all my gigs up until I believe is October 23rd. I will be in Cleveland at the Hilarities on downtown Cleveland. So go check that out. I will be putting that all on my dates up on my website finally. Got some great Patrions for you. I'm doing a lot of great stuff on the Timfall Hat Patreon. Go to Timfowl Hat.

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Starting point is 00:05:18 Thanks for checking this out and enjoy the conversation. It's a fun one. Thank you guys. So, you know our guest, he joined us at the Comedy Store, live podcast, and we're finally glad to get him on. He's supposed to do it earlier, but just like crazy dates and all that stuff. And so we're blessed to finally make it happen. He's the man, he is the king of the outdoor schools. Please welcome to show Maverick Matthews. How are you, Maverick? Awesome man.

Starting point is 00:05:48 Hello Swarm, awesome to be here. Johnny, I heard you clap quietly back there. Thank you. Thank you so much for joining us again. Our friend Nick Hinton hooked us up and we have not looked back since. BFF's forever, right? Dude, shout out to Nick Hinton and his newly formed Institute for Folly. You're going to be hearing about that soon.

Starting point is 00:06:12 So pretty cool. You know what it's like kind of crazy. Like he's one of those guys that just is like people follow him, man. He is, he has what the kids call the Elvis factor. I don't have the Elvis factor. You know what I have? th I have I have I have I have I have I have I have th I have th I have th I have th I have th I have th I have the th I have th I have th I have th I have the that I have the kids call the Elvis factor I don't have the Elvis factor you know what I have the Tom weights factor that's what I've decided I'm more of a Tom weights type following like those who know him know him and when you see him you know them but outside that you're speaking to a guy to a guy who when a lot of people meet him you're they're like he's a little too intense I'm not sure how to classify to classify to classify to classify to classify to classify to c. to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the to the the the the the the the the the they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the they. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. the the the the the the the the the the the tttttttttttttttttttttttell. they. they. they. they. I. I're like, he's a little too intense. I'm not sure how to classify him.

Starting point is 00:06:46 We have a real similar energy, Sam. And Tom waits. Yeah, well, you know, I mean, I piss people off right in my family. Ex, he says, no, cat's sorry. So that means he's probably somewhere where there's someone being held at gunpoint. So he can't join us to join to join to join to join to join to join to join to join to join to join to join to today, but that's okay. It's time for a white guy fucking party, everybody. Wake a party, we got a party. Just a bunch of white dudes who I just wish I had my glasses then be, white guys with glasses, party, what guys with glass.

Starting point is 00:07:17 Sam, let's be honest. You're, you're barely white, dude. I'm Armenian, Italian, okay, you're right. I am more Asian African, so I'm blabla, thakakakakakakakakakakakakakaken.. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, thi, the white, the white, the white, the white, the white, the white, the white, the white, the white, the white, the white, the white, the white, the white, the white, the white, the white, the white, the white, the white, the white, the white, the white, the white, they. they. tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, thi, thi, thi, thi, tha'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a, white, white, white, dude. I'm Armenian, Italian, okay, you're right. I am more Asian African, so I'm blazian. You are right, Johnny. Where I'm from you'd get some looks, my friend. Oh, dude, I have been the North Carolina doing stand up. I've walked in the room and they're like, whites only. It's not that bad. Johnny. Do you have, do you have kids? No, no, no. That he knows of. Okay, so this might this might turn into a dad party here because, you know, I have a son, a 20 month year old son. I have a nephew. Sam just some beautiful pictures.

Starting point is 00:07:53 Well, that's close, but it's not even close. So let's get into a dude. You've been talking a lot about this. school system that you want to start. So where do we where do we want to start brother? Yeah check it out I want to give you guys some gifts first actually I wanted to be in studio to do this but I'm gonna sneak down to the comedy store ASAP since they open their doors and hand these off to you but would you like me to give you your gift first and me first to me first to try to the board. First of. the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to the to to to to to you. to to to you. S. S. to you. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. C. S. S. C. C. S. S. S. C. C. S. C. S. S. C. S. C. S. S. S. C. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. Sthe board. You're gonna, first of all, I need to apologize. I have a podcast called Pepper for your steak, and it is for 25 year olds and older.

Starting point is 00:08:30 I cuss like a sailor, try to mitigate my cussing, but I'm gonna drop a few bombs here. Having said that, feel free to go hard in the pan. You're gonna fucking like that. So this is a book by Howard Marks. I'm not sure, have you ever heard this guy? I have not.

Starting point is 00:08:51 What is it? Okay, so he was one of the biggest importers of, uh, of hashish into our country in the 1970s. Like, legendary stuff. Mr. Nice. Mr. Dangerous. it in. They're dangerous. Yeah, Howard Marks, okay? Check him out. It's pretty cool, dude. This is amazing books for you, Johnny.

Starting point is 00:09:08 I noticed that you're kind of into criminology, that kind of thing. Yeah, that's great, dude. Yeah, yeah, you're going to love this, man. This was a gift to me from one of my mentors. Well, well, what would we love gifts? gifts. Look, I'm trying to create like, you know, there could be, there could be a lot of faces up on the Mount Rushmore. So XG is out here. What gift were you going to get that, give XG?

Starting point is 00:09:31 Okay. Thank you. You know, dude, it's about smuggling drugs. I have something a little bit high-falutin. I love drug meals. That's like his thing now. For XG, it's a little high-falutin, but I literally just bought probably 20 copies of this book because it resonated so deeply with me. And it kind of explains my trajectory. It was written in the 20s. So it's interesting because it actually covers the depression, what happened to depression.

Starting point is 00:10:03 But this one is kind of a nerdy book. This is the Razor's Edge. Okay, let's put it in a modern context. This is the only movie that Bill Murray ever did that is really serious. It's a serious role for him. It's only serious role, but don't watch it. Read the book. The audio book is amazing

Starting point is 00:10:25 because I'm with you form it has there ever been this is ass I know it's a hacky quiet has there ever been a movie that's better than the book and I think there's one movie out there which I enjoy you go first oh gosh that's tough man give me a second here I don't know one I don't know one, actually. I don't know one. I think I'm going to say one. Children of men. OK. See, I didn't read the book. Oh, I never read the book, man.

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Starting point is 00:11:26 It's just kind of interesting. That's a dark movie, huh? How disturbing is that scene with that kid having his soul taken or whatever? Dude, it's super, have you seen the new episode of the new season, I don't know if it's the new season, but of what's that one FX show where like they say the same cast every year but a different story? You mean like they did the OJ Simpson thing? Yeah, yeah, I don't know if they did the OJ Simpson thing. Oh, oh, oh, you're talking about the feud.

Starting point is 00:11:54 Martha loves it. The feud is that or no, no, no, it's I forget the name of the movie, but a TV show but Martha loves it. Lady Gaga was on it for a while. Oh, oh, American Horror Story. American Horror Story. Like, I think this season is Ratchet, or it was one of the season comes. It's like super dark, dude. Super dark. That, can I do a shout out really quick?

Starting point is 00:12:17 My buddy, Louis Diaz is one of the production designers who does the intro sequence. So when you watch that show how the baby, like, like, like, like, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the th, th, the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, that, the season, th. tho, th. th. I, th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the season, and, and I, the season, and I, and I, the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi.ea.eat, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, watch that show how the American Horror Story, remember the season when the baby is coming out and doing all that stuff and that's got the furnace and everything. My buddy does all that and the foam work and the artist is the good. It is so next level. It really is a great idea like a different story the same cast. So you still get like an emotional investment into them, which is probably what studio execs fear. Like, oh man, how are they gonna emotionally invest in these people? But they got, all right, time for my gift.

Starting point is 00:12:54 I held off for as long as I could. Okay, I knew it. I was like, he can't handle it too long. Okay, so I noticed you really appreciated that Hermetic podcast recently when you guys went over the set, no, the philosophy. Yeah, the one where everyone said, I talk too much? Oh, please. This is your podcast. This is a library leather bound edition, so it's like collectible. This will be in your lot. You'll be able to give this your daughters.

Starting point is 00:13:17 This is the Kaibalion. And this is basically the basics of her, the basics of hermetic tradition. You got a little inscription there from me. I love that. On the cover, you can see, people who really know at Essocheck knowledge, you can see the square inside the circle, inside the square. That's like a real big symbol.

Starting point is 00:13:37 Anyway, this is gonna be part of your library forever. You'll be able to give it to your to your to your to your to your to your to your to your to your to your to your to your to your to your to your to your to your to your to your to your to your to your to your to your to your to your to to the to the their, their, their, the the their, toogec. toogec, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the cover. the cover. the cover. the cover. the cover. the cover. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thoomorrow. tie. tooecooomorrow. together. tooecooomorrow. tooecooomorrow. tooomorrow. tooecooe. tooomorrow. tooeck. toe. toe able to give it to your daughter, Sam. It's pretty cool. I love it. You know what I'm starting to read them tomorrow? We start reading the book of Enoch. I got that and I'm going to start reading my kids, the book of Enoch. I mean, they'll probably be really ready for it. That seems to me. I can't even, I can't even digest tell you to read to them so that they hear watch you basically talking so they learn patterns and I'm totally teasing no I know that I think the most because Martha's always like read them like kids books stop bringing them to your weirdo books I'm like I don't think they care I think they just want to be able to see us talking and moving our mouse and doing all of that.

Starting point is 00:14:28 Like I'll read them my AA book when I got to put it bang out pages. That's a good one. I've read them, von Gaults book. I just do it all, man. I'm like, if I got read and I'm reading but my life is so busy. I'm going to read to them what I want to read and why not? They just need to see patterns of speech. Why not?

Starting point is 00:14:52 Have you ever felt incapacitated like in your old days, in your old maximum drive days, when you were sort of in a room with other people and you were like overwhelmed by the whole scene of it and you just sort of needed a few little clues to know what was going on. Like that's kind of what you're saying like that have I ever had my own quantum leap moment? It's funny it sounded like you were about to try to sell me like a spiritual system. Have you are you lost in your life? I thought I thought I was about to get a pitch there. So so so So let's get it's the the the the tr it's tr it's tr it's tr it's tr it's tr it's tr it's tr. It's tr. It's tr. It's tr. It's tr. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's true. It's a to to try. try. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. tell. the. the. try. try. the. try. try. about to get a pitch there. So, so let's get into this trope for reason. It's a trope because it's a cliche thing that we all wonder about. And when someone starts articulating it really clearly and concisely, you're like, this guy's probably.

Starting point is 00:15:33 This guy's got to pitch. Oh, yeah. He's trying to fuck me or he's going to pitch me. Yeah, at some point, at some point. No dude, maybe, maybe, I don't know, maybe it's just like sometimes you have to be like, what's going on here? I constantly live in a state of paranoia. I just, I feel like I live my life like a homicide detective. Like I'm constantly trying to look for clues of something going down. And when you're looking for something, you'll eventually find it. I have to, in my life, say, listen dude, just chill and go with the flow. Whatever happens happens, happens.

Starting point is 00:16:16 But a lot of times I'm just like, dude, I mean, something, okay, look at that. Look at that. It's like, it's a combination of being raised paranoid and conspiracy theirs.... the. the. the. the. I. I. I. I. I. the. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, I'm, I'm, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I's like, I'm like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I's. thi, I's. thi, I's like, I's like, I's like, I I's like, I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I is. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. that, look at that. I hear, you know, it's like a, it's a combination of being raised paranoid and being conspiracy theorist. I mean, like, you know, think about what it takes to be a good parent. I constantly wrestle with this. How far are you supposed to go down the rabbit hole in order to be informed and how far is just being indulgent. That's a real problem, And thi throwne is that's that's that's th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, thi, thi, thin. thin. thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin.eean, thin. thin. thin. I'm thin. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. point of diminishing returns. I do believe in Bernoulli's principle where 20% of the herd creates 80% of the useful product. So in that sense, you really need to limit how much you let that shit impact you, dude, because it will fucking destroy you. Oh, you won't.

Starting point is 00:16:58 This is something I really would love to talk about today. One thing I really want to talk about today is, Sam, Sam Sam Sam Sam Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, to, to, to, to, to, to, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th an th an th an th an th an th an th an, th an, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, than, than, than, than, than, than, than, than, than, the. And, the and, thean, thean, tha. And, tha. And, tha. And, tha. tha, tha, tha, tha, I really want to talk about today is, Sam, have you had the issue of intrusive thoughts start to happen to you yet as a parent? Where your babies is cruising around, you're like, what if, what if that whole bookshelf falls over and crushes it? Oh, dude, let me just tell you something. When you have a newborn baby, and my babies are almost eight months old. And a new spot just shows up somewhere, you, you, th, th, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. to to th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that all, that all, thus, their their their their their their their their their their thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, to to to toda, today, to today, today, to today, to thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, th up somewhere. You're convinced that you are the worst parent in the history of time. You're like, oh, God, I'm the word. They're gonna die. And it's my fault because there's just some random dot right there.

Starting point is 00:17:36 Like just shit pops up. Like how many times in your own life? Did you're like, that come from? And you just move on, you're like, when you're a parent, and then happens, you're like, okay, this is obviously Ebola AIDS, something like that that does somehow this baby got because I'm the worst parent ever in the history of time. It's the craziest feeling, man. It's a, it ratchets everything up, but you know, when you're young and people are thiii people thi people, thi people, thi people, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, tho, tho, that, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's that's and people are telling you about sex, you're like, I got this, I know what it's about.

Starting point is 00:18:05 And you have it, and you're like, I had no idea. Kids are the same thing. I assume death is the same thing. It's another level up where you're like, wow. You know, these things, I think they happen forever. My whole message is that I the the the the the reason the eye is on top of the pyramid is because there is no actual top of the pyramid. It goes forever. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:18:29 That's one of the things that they teach in esoteric schools. Yeah, I totally agree with that. I don't think you'll ever have all the answers. I think, I think, maybe, I think, maybe, I probably, probably, because what's the point of living anymore if you're not learning anything? And I totally agree with that. I think, you know, in comedy, you can always tell when a comic has gotten too much confidence, I think in comedy, there is a, there needs to be a healthy fear of the audience. And when a comic loses that, he loses his luster.

Starting point is 00:19:09 And because if you don't go, hey man, today's the day the crowd turns on me, I have to earn their respect. I've seen it, it just becomes off as cocky and unattached to the moment. You don't make no connection with the crowd. It's just an interesting thing. And I think, I think that probably is life. Once you stop trying to learn and try to explore and try to expand your, you know, like I'm 47, I'm going to turn 48 sooner.

Starting point is 00:19:40 If I don't get a black belt, I'm going to go nuts. I'm going to go nuts. I need a black belt. It is like one of the last of the things I've always wanted to do outside of traveling all over the world. And I live in this paranoia of like that wherever I go, the government's going to get me because they're like, you're the temporal hack guy. We heard what you said about our government and I'll be in some I would love to talk to you about that. And but outside of that man, everything else I've done I want to do and except for get a black belt in some kind of marsh. I don't care if it's wingchong, thumb wrestling, I need a black belt. I need a black belt. Do you think it's within the realm of possibility that once you get that black belt and, you know, whatever Gracie is still alive and Joe Rogan's there and he's like kneeling down

Starting point is 00:20:30 in some cumetae and everybody has sleeveless shirts with with hoodies and they're all there and they're like, hmm, but like, do you think it's possible that after that moment happens, you can be like what's next? Where am I going to get my next? th... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. G. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. Do. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. thi. th's next? Where am I going to get my next? Like, those levels up are so important, man. What you're articulating right now is the search for spirituality. That's why people do it, man. It's the black belt in the mind. And we've really been told, don't worry about it, don't worry about it. We got this under control. We've outsourced so much of our utility as a species to others. And to to to to to to to th. And th. And th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that's that's thi, thi. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. that's th. that's th. th. that's, th. that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, th, th. th, th. th. th. the th. the the the the th. the th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. that's the. the. that's that's the the theateateateateateate. theateate. theateate. thi. that's the. that's th our utility as a species to others. And the paradigm is breaking down, man. We've leveled up mentally. We need people to teach us a black belt psychologically of the future. And that's going to, that might have to be another species. Aliens, a computer, it might be a computer.

Starting point is 00:21:19 It might be a computer being like, this is how you little monkeys level up. This is a black belt in your psychology. You, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th, th, th, th, this is how you little monkeys level up. This is a black belt in your psychology. You know? I think that's so interesting. I think it's all so interesting that like, like people just focus on the wrong shit all the time, man. Like these people out there that are just like, you know, these rich white kids out there just trying to burn like middle class cities down because it's just, it's to them, it's like, it's like, it's like, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi's, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. It's, thi. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th..... It's, th.... It's, th.. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's just, th. It's just just, th. It's just, thi. It's just just, thi. It's just, thi. It's just, thi. It's just, thi's just, thi's just, thi's just, thi's just, thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi. It's thi. It's cities down because it's just it's to them it is like they're Westworld this is just them having fun and what happens is when they get caught and there's a million dollar bail they're just like what

Starting point is 00:21:55 there's consequences to that nobody told me this like it's the most interesting thing ever like you put it's like I like, I forget who it was, but he said something very interesting. Phoenix O'Rource, he's like, what you pay attention to is kind of the currency of your mind. And what these people are putting currency into is just, it's super interesting. It's what you worship, right? It's literally what you worship. Attention is worship in a sense. That's what, you know, kind of religion defines it that way. Your attention.

Starting point is 00:22:32 Johnny, you're absolutely right, man. We all have a finite amount of bandwidth, and where you choose to delineate that bandwidth, that's it. That's why you hear this phrase, we are the five people that we hang around the most. Have you ever heard that? No, I haven't. We are an amalgam. Oh, it makes sense though, right? Yeah, totally. Of course.

Starting point is 00:22:50 We are an amalgam of the five people we spend the most time hanging out with. Because you're bouncing ideas back and forth between those people. And really, you're developing a currency. that I'm in, I guess I would say investigating right now, is the idea that your imagination is the connection to the spirit world. And those things come from somewhere, those ideas come from somewhere. That is the energy being translated between realms.

Starting point is 00:23:19 And we think our, so many people just want to be like, oh yeah, my imagination, this, dude, that is the radio for the other side. What else is it? you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you, you, you, you, you, you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have? You have? You have? You have? You have you have you have you have a, you have a, you have that, you have that, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have that, you have, you have that, you have that, you have?? that, you have, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you have, you have, you, you have, you have, you have, you have a, you have a, you have a th. th. the, you have a the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, have a the, the, the, the, the, have a the, the, the, the, oh yeah, my imagination, this, dude, that is the radio for the other side. What else is it? You have a better explanation? I'd love to hear it. No, dude, that's some interesting shit, dude. And I think that's really good lately, man. My, you know, since I said, I talked this all time, people got to be quiet. I mean tired of hearing it, but it's just like more and more I'm trusting my instincts.

Starting point is 00:23:45 Like they tell me something, almost like a snap, snap judgment. And I don't always come out with it, but I'll go, oh, really? And it comes to me and I'm like, okay, really, okay. And I just kind of sit back and I sit on to it. And then more information comes and I go, oh I think I'm on to something. So then I'll tell one person. Maybe I tell John, I go John, you want to hear my new theory? It's like, what? And be like, okay, and sometimes you're like, ah, I don't know, dude.

Starting point is 00:24:12 And then like after two weeks, it's like, I mean, I'm starting to think there's a couple people in the comedy scene that are intelligence. And my instincts are starting to tell me that every single great artistic movement or every spiritual movement within this country has been infiltrated by a spooks? And why wouldn't comedy be that? Why wouldn't this incredibly powerful comic scene that is the LA comedy scene for the longest time,

Starting point is 00:24:57 not be infiltrated by intelligence? That statement itself is scary and dangerous to say, but there's just something tell me, there's intelligence and there's some people involved in it. I don't know who it is. I don't have any idea who it is. And even if I did, I wouldn't tell anybody, because that's how you get yourself in deep shit. But there's something that's tell me, there is straight up intelligence out there. And but let's go back to what you want you want to to to to to to to to to to to to to intelligence out there. But let's go back to what you want to talk about, which is connecting to the other side. Guys, I want to take a moment to tell you about our good friends.

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Starting point is 00:28:07 I've been here for 15 years, I guess. It's not even a question. That's a question with a double meaning, certainly. Oh yeah, for sure. Oh yeah. Right. Dude, I love it. I love it.

Starting point is 00:28:21 Is he's fucking a bag of chips, but in the background? What else? Drop Apple. He's an apple guy. Johnny Apple's seat over there. That's a great question, dude. And like, I'm really starting to get into like, what is, I don't know if it's the lack of better term, street smart versus book smart. Like, I think that's a really important discussion because I think a lot of people in this town

Starting point is 00:28:46 are really book smart and they're just not really street smart. And I think if you had to say, Sam, which one do you want a black belt in? Which one do you want to master? Where I am today, I take street smarts a thousand times. I think, Sam, I think you're even giving some of the people in the people, take street smarts a thousand times. I think Sam, I think you're even giving some of the people in the system a little too much credit for saying that by saying they're book smart.

Starting point is 00:29:08 Some of these people were just, they've ascended to these positions of really, really significant power without any knowledge at all of anything. You know what I mean? And I think that's why. Yeah, nepotism. It's such a, it's a curse on Hollywood. And it's the reason that it's, it's so susceptible to, you know, instability in society, I think, because they're really just no educational foundation at all, street smarts or otherwise. No, I get that, dude, and we're also starting to see the end of the, like, the, the industry celebrity, that's only big with the industry. like, like nobody, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's th, it's thi, it's, it's, it's, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's th i's, it's th i's th. It's th's so, it's thi's so, it's that's that's that's thi's th's thi's that's thate. It's thi's thi's thi,the the industry celebrity, this celebrity that's only big with the industry, like nobody else knows who they are and nobody else likes them except for industry

Starting point is 00:29:54 and people who think like the industry. And you know, there's people in Cleveland that think and act like the industry. That's kind of how they think, you know, they were part of the, you know, the high school yearbook staff and they went to like like like like like like like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a like a kind like a kind like....... like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they like, they like, they, they, they like, they like, they like, they like, they like, they like, they like, they like, they like, they like, they like, they like, they like, they like, they like, they like, and they, and they, they, and they, and they, and they, and they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they like, the like, the like, the like, the like, their, their, their, they. And, they like, they like, they like, they like, they like, theys and like it's not really hilarious laugh it's more like professional golf clap laughter like oh man. Well, what is it's a big jerk off is what I mean it's just a bunch of people say it's saying things that they all like to hear you know what I mean it's kind of like oh I agree with that exactly right that's exactly they're just pat each other on the back and you never learn anything and you never expand you don't you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you to you you to you to you the the th you to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th to the the the the the the the they they they they. they they. they. they tho the the the the the patting each other on the back, constantly. And you never, and you never learn anything and you never expand, you know, you don't have a system for...

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Starting point is 00:31:54 for the brainwashing. That's comedy, that's what you're doing. Some people are better at mind games another. They're just, everything is a spell, basically. You know, they're like, they're put, That's such a great, hold on, what you just said, what you just said, everything is a spell, if there is no other takeaway from this whole podcast and people are like, who gives a fuck about Maverick Matthews or whatever, if they only hear that one phrase, everything is a spell, your subconscious mind mind, thu, thu, and thu, and thu, and thu, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, hear that one phrase, everything is a spell,

Starting point is 00:32:26 your subconscious mind runs you, man. It really does, and our entire life is a decoding process to figure out what our subconscious mind is up to, and figure out how to mitigate it, and get in front of it, and figure out what the human animal is. But what you just said, dude, there are hacks, and everything that you're exposed to is a spell. That's it th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th th th, th, th, th, th, th, thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, thi, that, thi, thi, thi, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and their, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thr-a, thr-a, throan, throan, thiauioluia, thia, thia, thi. thi, to is a spell. That's it, man. You couldn't have put that in better words.

Starting point is 00:32:47 You gave me the rise of, and it almost like the fall of it already, but the rise of the what I call pop comedy comic. And I don't, like, and I watched it happen, suddenly, and this isn't any, this isn't talking about anyone in particular, but we just saw this rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise rise this rise rise rise this rise rise this rise this rise this rise this rise this rise this rise, but we just saw this rise of these of this comedy which was just like, can we make girls go Gaga? I gaga. And like, what do you mean about, I don't know what you mean?

Starting point is 00:33:10 What does that mean? Yeah, I don't know. I'm ignorant. No, okay. So, so like in music forever, we saw like boy bands, right? These boy bands. like man that boy band is like really artistically amazing. We all knew what they were. They were put together to make girls swoon. That's what they were.

Starting point is 00:33:31 Yeah. From either really young girls like teenage, like the Beatles. We saw them screaming forever. Or, I mean, the Beatles weren't assembled to do that. The Beatles were friends from that met each other and school. Hold on. You make a great point. The they they they they they they they they they they they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were put they were put they were put they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were. They were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were their. They were their. They were their. They were their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. tho. tho. the. they were put. they were put. they were put. they were put. school. You make a great point, John. You don't know the story. You don't know the story. You know the story. We're told about the Beatles. We don't know the story or...

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Starting point is 00:34:51 He's so cute. And yeah. That comes the what we're talking about. Like it's not hard to learn the paradigms of comedy. It's not hard. Like white people walk like this, black people walk like this, you could do that, girls do this, guys do that. It's not that hard to do. And like, it's not that hard to do. And like, it just takes a certain group of people if you just work hard enough. And it's amazing, you know, girls always like, I like a funny guy. Well, it's amazing how funny super models are to thuuuuuuu-like these thu-fun fun thu-fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun. th f f f f f-like are th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thu. thu. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. G. G. G guys guys guys guys guys guys guys guys guys guys guys guys guys guys guys guys guys guys guys guys guys guys guys guys guys are th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. G. G. G. thi. G. thi. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. thi. thi. th. thi. th. be like, fucking Richard Pryor level, funny to like a fucking chick, right? Yeah.

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Starting point is 00:37:27 That's what they like now. It's a whole different thing that they're into these. I mean like a lot of these NBA players, a lot of these like basketball, NBA players, like you know what I'm talking about. I don't even know what I do. I don't know. At one point I think Cam Newton probably. Well he's on the Patriots now. Yeah, I don't even know but Dude, I've never this is gonna be the first conspiracy podcast where we just come up with our favorite hot dudes. Yeah. Well, this is what happens. We're talking to the trajectories. Okay. When the trajectory is open and you're just looking through spirituality, you're looking through the lens of society, you're like,

Starting point is 00:38:06 yo, society, we're just going to be a mirror, we're going to let you guys reflect what we want to talk about. This is what happens and this is why you need leaders to be like, hey, I'm going back. Going back to what you're talking about is that there it's easy, like Johnny, it's kind of like what we're talking about, like Whitlock going after those female, um, having a fight with those, those two females from ESPN, saying that they, you know, is like their looks intoxicate people. Yeah. And that's kind of one talking about these comics, these, these good-looking guys. We saw the rise of the six-foot five good-looking male comic that we never really saw that before. Suddenly there is guys who understood paradigms of comedy and how people thought and like it was all just spells. It was just spells you know because if you wrote down a lot of their their acts I don't know if you would

Starting point is 00:38:59 laugh out loud doesn't mean that they're not good jokes but they're charming charismatic and they sold the jokes you know and that's kind of what we're talking about it's a spell being done on people and that's kind of what we're talking about and that's why I think everything's a spell can I ask you some inside industry stuff I'm not sure of how comfortable you feel talking about this but I've always been fascinated fascinated fascinated with the comedy click. And I don't know, I don't consider myself a civilian because I've worked in the industry so long, but I'm certainly not a soldier in that army, even though I study theater in college,

Starting point is 00:39:40 I was an improv, I did a lot of stuff. I'm not a comedian. That's an interesting army to be a part of. That army is super honest about how they delineate themselves. They're like, this guy's a prop comic, this guys of this, this guys are this. At what point do you allow someone entry to that army? Because I know a lot of young comedians are like, whoa, what does does? th. thia? thia? th. thu, my thu, thu, thu, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th.. I th. That is that, that that th. that that that's that's that's that's that's that's th. that's that's th. that's that's th. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th.that army. Because I know a lot of young comedians are like, whoa, what does it take for me? And like, my suspicion is having been homeless in Los Angeles,

Starting point is 00:40:11 having lived in my car, having really put my time in to commit to this industry and become whatever it is that I am now. I suspect the answer is commitment. But like, I know a lot of young comics would kill to hear this man. That's a great question. What does it take? So it's different. It's different for each person, you know. There's different ways to get into the click.

Starting point is 00:40:37 Like, you know, it's like, I'm kind of part of that click that's kind of got super powerful, but I'm like a fringe member. I'm like really far on the end. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm, I'm, I'm in. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm in. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm in. I'm, I'm, I'm in. I'm the, I'm the, I'm the, I'm the the. I'm the th, I th, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tak. I th. I th. I the took. I'm took. I'm took. I'm took. I'm took. took, I'm took, I'm took, I took, I took, took, took, took, took, took, took, I took, I took, of got super powerful, but I'm like a fringe member. I'm like really far on the end. I'm in. I helped a lot of them in comedy, but you know, I wasn't really part of anybody's kind of, you know, cool. I guess my click is me and Eddie Bravo and that click and then we started putting together some conspiracy comics.

Starting point is 00:41:03 So that's kind of the click that I'm blessed to be a part of the tree of Rogan. That click was got very powerful. I mean like I don't know a lot of groups outside of that that that that David Cross sketch comedy group. What was that called David Cross's sketch comedy comedy show that he did with I don't know. Call salt. Mr. Mr. Show. Mr. Show. Mr. Show. I think outside of Mr. Show click, right, that the roging click had the highest percentage of like millionaires probably. Not that that matters, but like in terms of people like selling out making money you know do success of podcasts I don't know outside of what are you I'm not can you define the question a little just a little bit more are you saying what what do you mean by acceptance are you saying like the other comedians look at this

Starting point is 00:42:00 that's a comedian or are you saying kind of actually being exce the show I I don't and say that's a comedian or are you saying kind of actually being extended into the show I don't know man that's a great question this is amazing this is great Johnny thank you for clarifying the reason I ask this man is because but what is the question yeah which of those is it in our life yeah which one of those is it you know me here me here me here about the answer is in our outdoor school and in our life, in every group, every tribe, we develop gateways where there's kind of a, and there's actually an archetype for this that was defined by Joseph Campbell, he called it the bridge troll.

Starting point is 00:42:32 It's always a troll under the bridge who sneaks out and goes, you have what it takes to be here. And this is the point I was really trying to seek towards, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I, I, to, I, to, I, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th th th th th th th thr, thr, thr, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-s, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi-a-a-a-a-a-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thr... And, thri-s, thri-s, throoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooan, th like, what is a bridge troll for a comedian, you know, that really tests them before they go 100% and my suspicion is can they quit their day job and go in all the way? That's the level of commitment, but I'd love to hear you thoughts. Well, I just want to say, this is a question. to interest me too, and I've listened to what a lot of comedians, the comed. I said, the comed. I said, to to to to to their. I'm what, to to their. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. Can, can can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can't, can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can can. And, can can can can can can can can. And, can can. And, can can. And, can. And, can. And, can. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thin. the their. their. th. they. they. they. they. they. they. th. th. thin. th. th. th. th. the. Can, th. Can mics is a comedian. And then I think guys like Ari and there's another class of thinking that is exactly what you said. I've heard of them say exactly that if it's your job, that that makes you a comedian. You can kind of be accepted. I think I can only speak about the groups I've run with.

Starting point is 00:43:22 If I see somebody, I can usually tell you if somebody's going to work. Nobody can tell you if they're gonna blow on. I mean, I kind of knew some people gonna blow up, like I knew that Chris the Leo was gonna grow up, blow up. I knew that Tiffany Hash was gonna blow up. I knew that. Talk about any of those Sam. What was that feeling that you got that made

Starting point is 00:43:46 you feel that? What was that? There was a there's an energy presence with them and you go, okay, the minimum to enter this kind of energy premises are they funny? If they're funny and then you go in terms of and you got to understand that this model to me is changing right and it's not the same as it was but and what I'm talking about is only maybe two years ago this this was the old model right and the old model was like are they funny and do they do they check some kind of box that the industry loves right Chris the Lea was kind of the girl the industry loves. Right? Crystalia was kind of the girls loved him, right? So I knew that. And he was Hollywood royalty, right?

Starting point is 00:44:31 Now, does that mean Chris made it because he had connections? No, dude, there's just certain people who have connections that blow up, like Robin Williams, Nick Kroll, Crystal Leah. Super funny guys that just happened to come from, you know, connected families. You know, there's a lot of people who come from connected families that don't make it. But I just knew Chris was gonna blow up.

Starting point is 00:44:54 Tiffany Hattish, from the moment I saw her, I knew she was gonna be a star. I knew it. And the only thing that perplexed me was how long it was going to, why it took so long. And that more goes into my whole thing that up until recently, Hollywood didn't care about black females and they didn't care about the black female demographic at all. And it wasn't until they really realized that they had completely disservice, to that to that demographic that they finally started to like, okay, we need to build this

Starting point is 00:45:28 groups following up. You know, now you've seen like black female shows all over the place and I have zero problems with that. Taylor Tominson, I knew from the first moment I saw her at 19 years old that she was going to be a star and she was going to be Ellen Big. and I still think that's going to happen. And then the final one is Punky Johnson. I knew Punky Johnson was going to blow up and she just got Saturday Night Live because she just the minimum thing that all these people have is that they're super fucking funny and then on top of that

Starting point is 00:46:04 they connect they click a lot of boxes. For me, to be allowed in, to the whatever club that is, is I gotta see that you, that you love comedy. Like, it is, it is in your bones. And like, I'm always a guy, I'm kind of been for a long time, the guy that let's you come come come come come come come come come come come come come come to come to come to come to come to come to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th... the th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. theea. toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. the. the. the. the of been for a long time the guy that lets you come to the next level. I'm like I'm like the guy on the boat of the river sticks. I like you kind of jump on and I take you to the next. I'm the bridge troll. I'm the bridge. I'm a bridge troll. But I'm a different bridge troll. Like I don't play that like Hollywood shit. I don't care if C. the the the the th. thia. thia. th. th. th. th. th, I th. th, I th, I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th you th. th. th you th you th. th. th. th. th. the the the th. th. th. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, you the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I th. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, th. th. thi. th. theeeat. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, the the think he got something. I have to see you. I have to see it. And I always see it real early. I know who's going to blow up. Now, does that mean that, you know, does that mean that if I don't see it, you're not going to blow up? No, of course not. I mean, nobody. If they were really honest with you, would tell you that Adam divine was going to blow up the way he did.

Starting point is 00:47:07 But he did, and he deserves everything, and God bless them, you know, but to be initiated into the group, or let's say without COVID, you know, comedy, chaos was still going. I just had to see you had that you had to have the passion and that you could go crush in whatever circumstances were there. It didn't matter. You were just, you were just a crusher. Like you were just one of those boats in the movies that just fucking shoot, it just keeps crushing through ice. Like that's what I look for in comics. And that's why I can always pick them because, you know, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I just keeps crushing through ice. Like, that's what I look for in comics.

Starting point is 00:47:45 And that's why I can always pick them, because, you know, I am somebody who I'm very comfortable with where I am and my comedy. I feel like I could bang with anybody to degrees. Like there's gonna be some crowds that maybe aren't into a guy being super crazy on stage. But my skill set I'm very fine with so I'm not threatened by anybody. So I actually enjoyed finding my tribe. And that's a big part of what I do. Like I'm not threatened by anybody. I actually get like, I used to be like that. I'm like, oh, this guy's fat. Like, that's how I got friends with Tom Segora, because we were in an improv troop together. And the dude was so fast.

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Starting point is 00:49:09 like let me, I'd love to speak to the people who think we've gone off the conspiracy tangent just because it's always in my mind and this is your amazing show. But having said that, what is more conspiracy than the goings on? th. the the the the th going. th going. th going. What th. What is. What is going. What is. What is. What is. What is. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more. What is more conspiracy? What is more conspiracy? What is more conspiracy, what is more, the the the the the the the the the th. the th. th. What is more.ing going on. And I'm not a comic, but I've been following the Rogan crew. I actually got to have cocktails with Joey Diaz in a Indian casino in northern New Mexico about a decade ago when he and I first connects. That's great. But, you know, I, the contribution that this group has made to the psyche of the country cannot be overlooked. And you want to talk conspiracy. It's easy to say like, oh, these guys are Dick Joe comics.

Starting point is 00:49:53 You're a humble guy. Stan, I constantly hear you say that. But it's true. But there is no other role that is more important than causing people to question how serious they take themselves. And like the things they're doing, how they affect others. You know, this is the key to straightening our country out, man. And that sounds super like, oh, what a hippie, he thinks it's hippie, dippy. No, man, we have to connect with each other and to each other right now. Well, you know, man, you bring something very interesting and why there's two groups of people right now

Starting point is 00:50:28 that are getting heavily censored. Who are they? Comedians and content creators. Why are these two groups seem to just be the focus of the IRA of the, of the, um, the social justice warrior groups and the political correct people? And my thought is honestly, is because, because, is, that, that, that, that, th, people, people, that, people, that, people, people, people, that, that, people, they, people, people, they, people, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they they they they they they they are th, they are th, they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are thi, thi, they are thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, people they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are thi, people thi, people the, people that, people that, people that, people that, that, that, the people that, they are that, their that and the political correct people. And my thought is, honestly, is because those are two genres that don't need corporate cash to create. Boom. Yeah, they're not accountable to the mainstream, the powers that we are the less accountable anyway.

Starting point is 00:51:01 Yeah, they don't need the... they don't need the... the... the... the mainstream, the powers that we are the less accountable anyway. Yeah, they don't need the purse strings of the elites to make their stuff to meet, to go to the masses so they don't have to play the game and they can't be controlled as much. That's what they get too big, that's when they get knee-capped. That's why what you said about Diaz and Rogan and those guys is so impressive or even more impressive because they did that and to some extent. I mean I know Rogan was on network and stuff, network TV, but they did that to some extent without any, without the sort of push that you see these people that rocket to influence

Starting point is 00:51:43 and start them like that. They kind of did it below the radar, you know, in a way. Like my parents, until very recently didn't know who Joe Rogan was, you know what I mean? But they were massive. They had a huge influence. And is that, I mean, I don't even know if that's, that might be a new model. Is that something that happened before the internet. thinininininin, I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to th. to th. to th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to to to to to to to thi. to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their, th. th. th. thi. thi. the. the. toe. toe. toeate. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to that happened before the internet? I'm not sure. No, I mean, when was the last time you really saw somebody blow up completely without the help of any of the elites money? I mean, like, I don't know the last, I mean, especially when you... I'll tell you a specific example. Burt Kreischer is a great example of a guy whose trajectory was so huge, that guy created an energy within himself that was so undeniable that all of a sudden people were like, oh,

Starting point is 00:52:33 and this is, you know, this isn't after the model, this is a pre-industry model, but this is a guy who literally, I've studied this guy's career, not because I'm some weirdo but he's kind of undeniable I'm definitely a weirdo he's kind of undeniable though because well hey why was Rolling Stone interviewing him is the number one party animal in the country why why all of a sudden did he get a holding deal while all of a sudden did he get so much attention this dude no one picked him to do it the guy just had this idea in his head and he was like I just want to tell people how to have to to have to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to the the to the to the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the to to the the the to the they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. the they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. the the the they. I I I the they. I th. I th. I. I. I th. I th. I th. the. I the. the. I. th. I. th. th. I. I. I'm. th. I. I'm. I. And he was like, I just want to tell people how to have fun. And it worked, man. He made himself. I have a question.

Starting point is 00:53:10 And for you, for both you guys, actually, would you put, because he kind of, this guy, I'm about the name, kind of falls on the dividing line. Would you put Dan Cookselves outside the system? Because he did it, I mean all that shit, he did on MySpace, you know, building his career there. No, no, on the latest episode of, or like, is it no, two episodes ago on the conspiracy social club.

Starting point is 00:53:35 Both Brian and I talk about that, that Dan Cook is the godfather of the internet celebrity. He is the one who created, I mean, tea, tea, tak, tak, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, thu, thu, thu, the, thu, thi, the, thi, the, thi, the, thi, the, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the that, they.o, today, today, today, today, they.o, they.o, they.o, they.o, the the the the thi, the th. He is the one who created, I mean, to a point, it was Tila Tequila as well, but nothing like what Dan Cook did. Dancook to a level. And you know, I'll defend Dancook, even though him and I had bad blood back in the day, but we're old men now, and I will defend Dane Cook and what he did. Any of these young people that don't think Dan Cook is funny? Dan Cook had what there's three sets in my

Starting point is 00:54:11 life that stand out through I'm like that those are the greatest sets I've ever seen. First one, probably the greatest set I've ever seen is Joe Rogin at Messie Hall during the UFC's biggest event in Toronto when it was George St. Pierre versus, I forget who he's fighting, but it was the biggest UFC event of all time at that moment. And I was like, I mean, Ari Schaffir popped in and nobody knew he was gonna be there.

Starting point is 00:54:39 And like Joe described Ari walking out like, cold play had just walked on stage. So when Rogan went up, was like list it was I've never seen a room shake like that and I go this is what it must have been like to see Sam Kennison at the height of his power. The next one is a Burke Chrysher at the comedy store at comedy chaos doing his bit about Starbucks and guns. I've never seen anybody get a laugh breathing in. He would breathe in people would start laughing. I've never seen. It it it it it it it. It it. It it. It the the the the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other. It was the other. It was the other. It was the other. It was the other. It was the other. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was I've the other. It was I was I've th. It was I've th. It was I've th. It was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was I was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. I've the other. I've the other. I've never. I've never. I've never. I've never. I've never. I've never. I've never. I've never. I've never. I've never never. I've never. I've never. I've never. I've never. I've never. I've never. I've never. I've. I've. I've never. I've never seen anybody get a laugh breathing in. He would breathe in people would start laughing. I've never seen it. It's the and then the other one is and you know Dan Cook at Dublin's is probably the greatest comedy I've ever seen in my lives. I mean those three are probably on

Starting point is 00:55:18 part of the three. When was that Sam? When was that? I'd say like early like 2000 and to it's hard to explain how of that th th th time th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th he he he he he he he he he he he he he to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. th. th. th. th. to th. to to to th. th. th. th. th. the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. the th. th. th. the the the th. th. the the th. the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. the. to. to. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. the, Dan Cook? I'd say like early, like 2002? It's hard to explain how of that time he was too. Like, he hit at the exact moment when his comedy was irrelevant perfectly in society. You know what I mean? People were just looking for that kind of thing right then, that kind of energy. And he, uh, damn if he was a force, he was a force, man. He was a force. Dude, I mean like, dude, I've never seen people used to crush it and drive comics to be like, holy fuck, we've never seen anything like this. And ask you a question about his comedy specifically? We are telling me people used to say they crushed it in a way

Starting point is 00:55:54 that they never saw. He's an exceptionally physical comic. He loved to physicalize what he did rolling around on the stage. Do you attribute that to why it was so impactful? Um, because, well, you know what he was was an extension of what Richard Pryor started. Richard Pryor kind of started like the physical comedy and I always used to break it down to it would state your premise, acted out. Uh, and you're like, Dan just took that to the next level. And that's kind of what I started doing for a short time. Because Pablo Francisco Francisco, to to to to to to the f f f f f f f f f f-in, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to to thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. Richard, Richard, Richard thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to to to to to toe. I toe. I toeeea. I toea. I toei. I toei. I toe. I toe. I thri. Richard thr. I th doing for a short time. Because Pablo Francisco was like, just pick your favorite comic and imitate him and eventually you find your own. That sounds like something written on a whiteboard at a comedy school by the way. You know, stage your premise, acted out. Yeah, and that's I started doing. And then I realized I was growing older and I was like, why am I gonna act this out?

Starting point is 00:56:42 Fuck this. I'm justto sit here. I'm old. And so he just became and like you know, I know I talked about early but I feel like Dan Cook was also the godfather of the boy band comedy because for the first time ever we just saw a comic that young attractive women just flocked to. Did he make people jealous in the scene because he kind of was that well guys but the truth of the matter is that Dane Dane also didn't play nice with others oh really well he was like a crush it like he wanted to crush yeah yeah it's not just like a zero-sum game it's not just enough for you know yeah well Dane represents the end of the 90s comics the the the the the the the the the the the the th of th of th of th of th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. the. the of thi. the. the. the. the. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. I I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I I I I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. thi. th. thi. the. thi. the the the the. the the thi. the the. the th.ane represents the end of the 90s comic, which was box, it would like it was more

Starting point is 00:57:29 the boxing model where we would, they would box with it. Like there could be only one champion. Yeah. Because that's all it was before. You would have to be like there was one role on television. There was one role in the movie. There was one role hosting that show. So it was everybody for themselves. But now because th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. the th. th. th. the th. the th. th. the the the th. th. th. the the th. th. th. the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the the the the their thi thi. their their their their their their their thi. their their thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. theeeeeeeea. tea. tomoooomoomoombea. tea. thea. thea. the movie. There was one role hosting that show. So it was everybody for themselves. But now because of podcasting, everybody can get some. So like you could get, you could get, hey man, you might get this show or I might get the show, but it doesn't matter because anybody can get the show.

Starting point is 00:57:58 But now because of the podcast, we can all get whatever we want and we get our cry. That's it man. That's the deal is that like you have to come from a place of abundance. Dane really showed us how the internet could be abundant for everybody. He taught us like look if you just do these couple things you learn to cultivate your audience in a certain way there's plenty for everyone. That's the biggest thing you have to learn in life is that if you come from a place of scarcity, guess what? This world's gonna be scarce. You come from a place of like we're gonna figure it out and this is going to be abundant somehow. I don't know how. I think it was Wayne, I don't know if it was Wayne Dyer or Dr. Jo Dispenza, who said this quote, but this resonated with me more than anything that I've in a while.

Starting point is 00:58:46 You don't have to give up your dream. You just have to give up how you think it's going to happen. Dude, I love that man. I love that so much. And I think it's really important that people understand this. And it's also like you can have your dreams, but just understand it's very possible your goals are going to change. And they should as you develop as a human being. I love that you have a family, Sam. God bless you, man. I love it, maybe.

Starting point is 00:59:16 My man, I have two dogs here. My son's not here right now, but you know, that is the most worthy struggle. And the second most worthy struggle is the perfection of the spirit. So God bless your family, man. I love them. They don't care that I'm podcasting right now. There will be a time where I will go be able to be back in the studio. But that time is not. And I just really, I just love my job.

Starting point is 00:59:43 It's just, I just, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I you gotta work around the elements in life. And I know there's some people hearing in the background, but this is my life and this is the way it is. And I love it to pieces. But I want to get into your dreams and your stuff. I mean, I hope people enjoying this conversation because I really do believe that this, this click got so powerful. That it scared people and it made the the the the the the the the the the the the people the the the the people the the the the the the the the people the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their so powerful that it scared people and it made people angry. And there was a concerted effort to infiltrate it and then destroy it.

Starting point is 01:00:15 And I don't know if it got destroyed. I just think it just is going to, it's going to be like the blues brothers. You know when the blues brothers had to go around and get all the band back together. They had to hit the road. Or what was it the one, the one?. It the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the, the one, the one, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, the that, that, the that, the Blues Brothers, you know, when the Blues Brothers had to go around and get all the band back together? They had to hit the road. Or what was it the one, the one movie where like the guy had to get all the superheroes back together, you know? Hold on a second guys. Can you stop this for two seconds? You know, I, that's a question that's a question that fascinates me though. The question you're talking about sort of as it relates like acceptance in that comedy community and what that means and really I think it does vary comedian to comedian. I've heard so many answers like there are some people

Starting point is 01:00:58 that there's a classic guy that works really hard at it, you know, and just doesn't ever get funny, like at a level that impresses other comedians, you know what I mean? But they're there every time. And they kind of live, they can scrape, you know, scratch out a living. But I, some of those guys don't even get accepted, you know what I mean? And, and I, it's a really sort of, that's a tricky question. What it is really is a, the question is, what does it mean to search for excellence? And how do you know when you're actually searching? And are there clues you can look for?

Starting point is 01:01:38 Are there, like, should you look to others for affirmation that you are doing it and then like isn't isn't there a lot of peril in that because you know they're definitely gonna threaten them no you're right it's also a lack of self-awareness among those guys that that I like I described it don't get accepted but still kind of seem to pursue it you know really I think if you lack self-awareness that's like that high way to get kind a the the th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I's. I's their. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's their. I's their. I's their. their. their. their. their. their. their. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their their their their their their the. I think if you lack self-awareness, that's like the highway to getting kind of, getting kind of ridiculed in that group, you know what I mean? Oh, 100% back in, dude, but there are people. Oh, look at that beautiful baby.

Starting point is 01:02:14 Hey, baby. We love her. This is, this is Ninja. Hi, Ninja. There are a lot of people within the scene that don't learn, can't be honest with where they are and what's going on. And a lot of times the years have passed, they haven't gotten to where they want to, and they're freaking out. And my generation, even though I'm in my late 40s, but I think it goes to probably my generation, probably goes to, you know, like probably to 40. So it's like my generation, maybe the generation before I slowly come to

Starting point is 01:02:52 grips that like time has passed. And I'm, I was just talking my friend, my friend Graham Elwood the other day and I was talking about how lucky I am that I've had this late surge. Because, you know, it I've had this late surge because, you know, it wasn't like this three or four years ago. Yeah, and that's why I take the show very seriously and I work very hard to make sure everybody's happy and okay. But it's like, dude, it's like some people don't, and that's why I also, man, I always, like, I'll sit down, talk to anybody that I know been grinding for a while and give them the advice that I, that work for me. And it's just the truth is like, this is why I did, you got to try to do it. And it's people freak out.

Starting point is 01:03:41 threat out because they're so used to the old model. But the old model is dead. It's dead. I don't know how many more big stars were gonna put out like, you know, my friend Punky Johnson got Saturday Live, and I'm so happy for her. But is Saturday Night Live what it was before?

Starting point is 01:04:00 Not to diminish what she's done because getting it still, I don't care how small Saturday Night Live is or whatever, there's still a million people trying to get on the show. No, you're right though, it's only the prestige it has, it's kind of running on bank to prestige now, you know, the past successes. It's really, it's a big deal like in legacy media, you know, TV and newspapers, but to everybody else. It's just... Well, among comics, someone goes, I just got so... Yeah, and the industry.

Starting point is 01:04:30 Yeah, but that's always going to be an institution. to be the institution. I don't know if it will always, I think at some point they will be like, are we spending money on something? See, when Michael's goes, that'll be the the the the the the the the the the their...... th. th. thi. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thin. thi. thin. I's, thin. I'm, thi. I's, thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah, I's, I's, I's, I's is. Yeah, I's is. Yeah, I's is. Yeah, I's is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I's is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I. Yeah, I. Yeah, I. Yeah, I. Yeah, I. Yeah, I. Yeah, I's. Yeah, I's. Yeah, I's. Yeah, I's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I's th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, that'll be the test. Exactly. He's going to Steve Jobs. When Shane Gillis got taken out, that was done purposefully for promotional reasons. Yeah, and it's interesting, because have you heard him talk about it? He said that Lorne Michaels told him,

Starting point is 01:04:59 listen, this is going to pass, you know, you're going to be fine. You just got to get out ahead of it. And that tells you how much power he has on his own show if he couldn't even save the guy. Exactly. How much, like, who is he really have any influence on it? But also it's like, what we're seeing in time is, it's just going to be him diminishing power? Well, yeah, I mean, but the truthuthuthuthuthuthuthuthuthuthuthuthuthuthuthuthuth truth the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth is, the truth is, the the truth, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, the the the the the the truth. is, the truth. is, the truth.... the truth, the truth, the truth. the truth. the truth. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thrue. the thrue. thrue. thrue. think Lauren Michaels is telling Shane Gillis any truth? Like, it could be, could be, yeah, you're totally right, yeah. You know, it's like if this guy can't get anybody to watch the show and the only way he can get anybody to watch a show in this, in this world of like, um, train wreck promotions,

Starting point is 01:05:40 is like, hey dude, this is what I really believe happens on Saturday Night Live. They hire, if they hire four, so it seems to be like three people make the show every year, right? Sometimes they'll try four. And one of them will have like a big controversy. If that person can make it through, then they get to the show. But if not, Saturday Night Live looks great by, hey, they's o' th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is like, is like, thi, is like, thi, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, thi, thi, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, is like, is great by, hey, man, we can't hire you. So Lorne Michaels owes nothing to anybody. This is just somebody coming through. Lauren Michaels, 100% participates in train wreck promotions.

Starting point is 01:06:15 It's just how he does it. He did with Leslie Jones and her whole, her whole first round draft pick bit. She did a purpose and why did he do that? Because she was gonna be announced as one of the members of the all-female ghostbusters. So she makes it through that. She gets on the movie, but if not, he has promotion for his movie. That's what he does, he did it with Melissa Viesignor.

Starting point is 01:06:41 She deleted a bunch of tweets, and then everyone became crazy, but she made it through and now she's on the show and he got a bunch of PR for the upcoming season. Saturday Night Live does this all the time. They create fake, they fake controversy because I've seen it. And when you go to actually like the controversy, all the tweets are, are you, they're basically like, is this offensive? Nobody's actually complaining. It's just these bots and the system used together to put out this information to seem like

Starting point is 01:07:13 there's a controversy out there and there's not. Yeah, I mean, like, you know, these guys are embedded, you know, they're embedded in the system, they're content deciders, they're not content providers. And that's what I find the most fascinating about it. And this is the paradigm that's shifting is we're paying a lot more attention to these content deciders and we're going, what the fuck? Forgive me, little, little baby. So you're starting your own school. What is this school about?

Starting point is 01:07:45 It's so funny, man. I was really lucky to work for an outdoor tour company that took kids from around the world around America. And this company just went out of business. I wouldn't have been able to talk about this actually because of NDAs, but they just went under because of COVID. So it really breaks my heart because I thought, I envisioned my son maybe working for this company one day, but you know, when I was young, the paradigm was like, hey, I can't wait to go backpack Europe and, you know, get some perspective over there.

Starting point is 01:08:17 I don't know if they, I hope to God, kids still do this. I don't know that they do.. think, what thage, what th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, that, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, thi, their, their, their, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I thi, thi, thi, thi, thr. I thr. I'm, thrown. I'm, thr. I'm, to tooooo. toe. thr. throoooo. I'm, tha. I'm, tha. I'm,'t know that they do. What do you guys think on that actually before we go farther? Do you think kids still go back back Europe? I think they do. I don't know in this COVID world what's going to happen, which is... Well this minute, you know, for sure. Because it's just like so funny because all these states are just slowly opening and some people are like, should we do it? Should we do it? And like, you know, it's like all these statistics are coming out about how many people actually dying and it's so like 99.975 survive. And it's just like people like, should we open?

Starting point is 01:08:58 And I'm just telling you, man, it's all been done. So going back, I do think back I do think I do think people still travel but I think there has been a concerted effort by the media and social media people to scare people from traveling. Oh yeah. Because they don't want people to go around and see that these people that the news has been demonizing aren't really that bad. And these situations on the world aren't really that bad. I mean, when you hear about Australia, you know, in these like fucking crazy laws are trying to pass,

Starting point is 01:09:32 apparently it's just one little section of Australia. And that doesn't mean to diminish it, like it's not important because whoever lives in that little area is getting fucked with right, right? But it's like they're th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their thi, thi, thi, thi, when thi, when the, when the, when the, when the, when the, when thi, when th. th. th. th. th. th. their, when their, when their, when their, when their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thea, thi, But it's like they may, like what they're doing with Portland. They're trying to act like Portland is on fire, when it's this little area. And that's, I don't think they want people going around and seeing the world. You know, I, there, you know, this is.

Starting point is 01:09:55 There might be a distinction there though. You ask backpacking, and I think that's, I that's, I that's, I that's, I think, I think, I think, Ito places and staying in hotels, you know, possibly supported by their parents and not actually getting out and learning anything, you know what I mean? They're getting like the tourist, the Hilton experience rather than actually staying in a hostel possibly or backpacking across the country on foot. And I, I, I, I, I mean, you hostile around? No, I would, I, when I was in college, I did a, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th, th., th., th., th., th., the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, the, the, the, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, I, I, I, I, the, I, I, I, I, I, the, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, to, to, to, I, to, the, I, the, the, I, the, the, the, the, uh, I when I was in college I did a like a road trip. It's in the car Across the country. Yeah, and that was I mean, yeah, it was and I drove out here, you know You guys ready for the craziest statement. I love it's 100% true. Yeah, maybe drop it. I'm almost 48 years old. I've never been on vacation. So Sam, what do I have to do to be the guy who facilitates your first vacation? I will set up your tent. I will do everything for you. Your kids will be old enough.

Starting point is 01:10:55 I will make sure that everything's taking care of all you have to do is come out into the wilderness and be a human monkey and we'll pick a property where there's water and you can get in the water naked. You can do all th everything everything everything everything everything everything everything everything everything everything everything everything everything th th th to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to do to do to do to do to do to do to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tho.a.a.a. the the the the the the the the the.a.a.a.a. the the the thea. the thea. can get in the water naked and you can do all these things you can think about what the spirit means you can connect to nature and you can go holy shit we're doing it wrong in the cities. I just I don't I don't know it's kind of crazy because I'm just such a worker bee you know like I've always been working I just even in college I was just I had to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. had, I just had to struggle to make money. I couldn't go on spring breaks. And mostly because I was living my life as a spring break as well. It's like I was drinking and banging everything to move.

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Starting point is 01:12:13 that I have the time oh yeah all the time and my funny we might have a generation now where their regret is yeah I didn't really work thrown I'm a the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their they're they're they're their their they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their. they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they their. they they they their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their Yeah, that's right. That's the millennials. It's like, we have done any work yet. We haven't built any bridges. We haven't built any condos. We've done anything yet. But we all have that one friend that just never works and sometimes somehow everything works out. Then you just find yourself just grinding,

Starting point is 01:12:42 grinding, grinding, and you're just like, what are we doing here? Like, what is the purpose of that? You nailed it. What is that person who manages to just psychologically cruise their way through life? I've had these friends too. And I, man, we have all, we all have. I'm like, who, how do you do this? And man, what it, listen, I've done a lot of analyzing of these people.

Starting point is 01:13:07 And this is where I stand right now. This is where I stand. The placebo effect is a scientific name for something which is so diminishing in its power. The word placebo, the whole thing. It just makes it sound like something fake. Your mind is in charge, man. And you can line out your future in front of you.

Starting point is 01:13:28 And I hate it. I hate saying this. With these hippies who have that mental power of belief that is bigger than mine, they are capable of manifesting something bigger than mine. The thing is that's not congruent with our reality is, they don't know where to put it. It will will th th th th th th th th th th th th th th their th their th th th their th th. th. th. their th. th. th. that that that that. I'll that. that. I'll that. that. that. thi. I'll thi. I'll thi. I'll thi. I'll thi. the. I the. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their that. that. that. that. that. that. that that. that that. that that that. that. that that. that up somewhere and and they'll get that thing, they'll get that experience, they'll get that boon, but it won't mean anything in the trajectory of their life because they don't have a congruency with the rest of their life. This is where like you meet hippies and they're Yeah, dude. It's kind of crazy. But they're not wrong.

Starting point is 01:14:07 They're not wrong. They have keyed into the right idea. They're just trying to apply it in the wrong scenario. You know? There's a certain genius to that. You see that sometimes with writers and poets who kind of, they live like they're they live, they live, they live, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're not they're not to, they're not to they're not to tho, they're not they're not they're not they're not thoo, they're not they're not thoooooo, they're not they're not they're not they're not they're that one ability and then with outside of that they're really their life is a mess and I you know you've yeah Bukowski yeah I'm thinking of what what's the damn what's the movie Henry Miller that what's the movie that Harmony Karine did about a with Matthew McCona he is a lead about that crazy

Starting point is 01:14:42 shit what's is not that new Matthew McCona you're an artist with Sno that crazy... Oh shit, what's his... Not that new Matthew McConaug, he's an artist with Snoop Dog, not that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that guy. It's based on that guy. That movie. It's a crazy fucking movie. He lives his life like-

Starting point is 01:14:55 I'm so glad this came up organically. You could not have... this came up organically. Okay. I've been fucking watching that movie so much because it is so ridiculous. It's obvious that they're trying to rip off a combination of Jimmy Buffett, Jimmy Buffett and Hunter Thompson. Those are the two characters that he's trying to do. It's super obvious. And they're not wrong. That character exists.

Starting point is 01:15:16 I'm living that guy's life up in the guy's name but that the guy in that movie is a real guy. Yeah but like I gotta be honest with you the beach bomb is the name of the film is yeah yeah dude I cannot I'm so fucking you just made my podcast moon dog you get the book you get the book Johnny Moondaggy I think is what they called them and uh you know what I hate about this he was this close to doing it where everybody was like, okay, this is another fear and loathing, but they got it this much wrong and it didn't work and you're so frustrated by that. Yeah, it was a frustratory.

Starting point is 01:15:57 By the way, here's this guy's Wikipedia entry. Also known as Moon Dog, and listen, when you have this many, when you have this kind of description for you, this means you don't do anything. Was an American musician, composer, poet, an inventor of several musical instruments. What the fuck? What is the music? Can you click on that? What a human?

Starting point is 01:16:24 No, but here's something about manifesting your destiny. Can you click on that link? I invented the kazoo. What a human? No, but here's a thing about manifesting your destiny. Like I remember when the, um, when the, uh, secret came out and they're just like, all you have to do is visualize it, and it will happen. And I'm like, that is such a lazy approach to this one. Oh, he's also, I'm sorry, he's also a theoretician. So, there you go. I forgot to mention that. Well, so are you, Johnny, and so am I. So I don't know if you know that. That's where his amazing questions come from. His theoretician helps. That was, you're right, that movie is just, I can't thi, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm. I, I've. I, I, I've. I, I've. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th can't say I enjoyed it but I it's something you love to hate yeah I captivate it it did

Starting point is 01:17:09 recommend it without a sort of a what's the word a caveat but I still recommend it because I find it immeasurably entertaining it it's an experience just have to know what you're about to digest. It's like, yo, can you eat a footlong hot dog with chili and fucking sausage and onions? You know there's gonna be repercussions, right? But you still want to eat this fucking hot dog, right? I mean, look, do you want to eat this? Yeah. It's that ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It's that's that's that ridiculous. It's that kind kind kind. It's that ridiculous. It's that kind that kind that kind that kind that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It's that kind thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the the the the the the the the the they. they. they. they. they. they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. tool tool tool toda. toda. today. today. toooooooooooooooo-c. toda. today. today. today. tod he's doing. You're sitting there going, what am I fucking watching? Like, what is this? It's a true.

Starting point is 01:17:46 But man, gets, you know, I don't recommend any drugs, anybody, just like Hunter Thompson, but they've always worked for me. So, you know, that movie's next level. Yeah, for sure. We're just living an interesting time. I keep bringing up to school. Tell me about the school, dude. I feel like it's like... The reason, Sam, that I keep being secretive about it is because if you go searching for me online, I've done a couple things here in town, I don't have a web presence. There's

Starting point is 01:18:14 nothing there. It's not a show. I really think the internet is that gross. And I was like, okay, I have to have a presence here. I do want to contribute to people. That's not, that has nothing to do with my contribution. I want to meet people, connect with them. And so it's a, I wrestle with it, right? On average, my outdoor school will take about 32 people an entire year into the outdoors. It's not a lot. It's only about 30 people. So I want to accommodate everybody, but I'm only one dude. What we do is we go out into the wilderness.

Starting point is 01:18:56 And I don't do a lot, actually. Mother Nature, she's very capable, man. When you take someone's cell phone away from them, when you sit them down in a tent, when you make them eat a clean diet, not make them, when you just say, hey, maybe just not drink the soda, sit around and just hang out. Magic happens, dude. I don't actually have to do anything. Mother nature is amazing. My whole message is, I think our biggest mistake is to believe in human cleverness. I think we need to step our ego. My. My. My. That. That. That's th. That's that. That's that. That's that. That's that. That's that. That's that. That's that. That's that. That's that. That's th. That's thi. That's the. the. thi. thi. that's thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, the the the the the the the thi, the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that's that's that's that's that's thateeateateateateateate. their thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to believe in human cleverness. I think we need to step our ego down. That's Hollywood comedy right there.

Starting point is 01:19:31 Unpacked out a little bit. What do you mean by that? Well, okay, so let's look at medicine. I believe in medicine in terms of trauma. I believe in science. I believe in the scientific method is outlined by Sir Francis Bacon. I think we've made a lot of theoretical progress in terms of how we digest our reality.

Starting point is 01:19:52 Medicine as a whole in terms of how we've applied it, I think is a net sum negative. Medicine gave us lobotomies. Medicine gave us insane experiments. The problem is humans are applying these beautiful techniques. This is all applicable to mindfulness. My whole search is for how do we become more aware of like the potential outcome of what we're doing. Like, how can you do lobotomy? How can you do a lobotomy?

Starting point is 01:20:24 Is what we're going to do. And just be like, this is medicine. I don't know that. Yeah. I mean, what you're talking about is what we're going through with this COVID stuff now. With everybody, just COVID, do this, to scientists. And you, like, people like science, doctors, they're just like priests and holy men. They're human beings and they're easily influenced And it's just like question everything all the time and like people just don't want to do that because it's easier just to go with the flow But it's like my friend Scott used to say The only dead fish go with the flow man, only dead fish and you just got to, you got to question everything. Science is so bought and sold right now that you can't do anything. Hold on a second. Oh baby, so beautiful. Science is bought and sold and the

Starting point is 01:21:19 main thing that you're saying, Sam, what'sum in my heartstrings is the idea that we have to become our own experts again. We need to learn about medicine and we need to learn about self-protection. That's why you want a black belt. We need to learn about all these things and we have to decen- we have to decentralize our autonomy in ourselves. Yeah what happened to the renaissance man? Yeah, bring it back. Yeah, the rea what what the rea. The rea. The rea. The rea. The rea, we. the rea, we're. th. th. th. tho. tho. tho. that. that is. that to me. to me. to me. to me. to to to to to that, we're to to to learn. to learn. to learn. We're to learn. We need to learn, we need to learn, we need to learn, we need tho. We need tho. We need tho. We need tho. We need is is is. We need is. We need is. We're, we need is. We're, we're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're thin. We're th. th. th. th. th. th. thin. th. to to th. to to to to to learn. to learn. to learn. to learn. to learn. to learn. to learn about to learn. to to learn. We need thean. Yeah, bring it back. Yeah, the Renaissance man who can paint and who, you know, there's an amazing book that Joe Rogan talks about all the time is the book of Five Rings by Miyamoto Musashi. And when I started reading the books that Joe read, I hate to fucking.

Starting point is 01:21:56 Joe Rog is like my mentor I've never met. But look, I ended up on up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up up on the podcast up on the podcast up on the podcast up on the podcast the podcast the podcast the the thau. I that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that. I that. I that. I that that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that. that. that. that. that. not be sitting here without that dude. His contribution is immeasurable. He's the Jesus of our time. And I'm not saying that to be like dramatic or grandiose. I'm saying in terms of a voice of the people, he has become a speaker. He's become a resonator. And influence. And influence. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, but not only that. It's like when the Beatles said, like when John Lennon said the Beatles were bigger

Starting point is 01:22:25 than Jesus, in a sense, in the sense that you're talking about, they were at that time. They were. Yeah. They were resonators like you said. The difference, Johnny is that I honestly believe Joe has sat down, gotten stoned, done acid, taken mushrooms, and thought about when the awareness. They didn't have the internet. They didn't know their reach.

Starting point is 01:22:54 They didn't really grasp how much they impact to people. Joe does, man, I think maybe. Yeah, no, totally. Yeah. He really takes his responsibility seriously. And that's the only reason I even mention him is because that's the kind of person you want as a mentor, someone who understands their responsibility.

Starting point is 01:23:12 Although I don't know how much of that he would accept. I don't know how much of that he would accept. Yeah, exactly. I think Joe is, I think Joe is in a place mentally where very few people can operate to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be, to be, to be, to be, the the to be, to be, to be, to be, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th... Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, to to be, to to me, to be, to to be to to to be to to to. to. to to to. to that's that's that's that's place mentally where very few people can operate. I think he's smart enough to set people up to take care of a lot of the business around him so he could focus on this job that he has to do. But you know, I just like, you know, when it comes to the Beatles, there's just a lot of backdoor darkness with them that nobody wants to talk about. A lot of stuff that has come out later on. I mean, we're talking about them. We're talking about them. Like, they, they, they made records for 10 years, you know, 40, 40, 50 years ago. You know, I mean, what really, really? We're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're, we're still, we're still, we're still, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. the. the. the. th. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. what really? We're still trying to unpack what their demonic influence was. Like for me, Johnny is just like more and more information comes out.

Starting point is 01:24:11 Even the death of John Lennon is like, there's so much interesting shit going on with that. Oh yeah. Because like, what's happening? Like when he walks into that area, I mean, like, is there any chance he comes out of that live? Like the word is the killer CIA, the guy at the door, the door man is CIA? I mean, that's some crazy-ass shit.

Starting point is 01:24:33 At some point, he, you know, it's like my theory, like if they make you man, they get really angry when you go off the reservation. Diver. angry when you go off the reservation. And that's what John Lennon was starting to do. He was going off the reservation. He told the royal family go fuck your knighthood. But he did that in the 60s though I mean. Yeah I mean but this is like over time that he starts to fucking go away. He returned his MBU and like 69. Do you have a, do you have a deep love for the Beatles? Oh, John Lennon especially. I'm doing a little bit.

Starting point is 01:25:09 Well, no, I mean, I just, I may be over-educated on this subject a little bit. I mean, I've read everything about the Beatles. It's a- How do you feel about their work? I think they're the best rock band of all time, yeah. Is that that that that that that that that that that that that that that they're the best rock band of all time. Yeah. Is that honest? Are you just, you really? Yeah. Oh yeah, I mean Abby wrote to me is, is the, yeah, it's my favorite album, Abby wrote. Wow, okay, okay, so now we nailed it.

Starting point is 01:25:32 Oh, you're, you're being humble and quiet, but. This is your sacred space. Run the jewels any the artist, but I don't think there's a lot to separate with the Beatles, honestly. I think Paul McCartney is a glorified pop artist. I mean, he's a, there's not much maliciousness to that guy. Well, I don't think that, but I do think that, you know, I mean, we're naive to believe that somebody that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's not that's that's a that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's a that's a that's a that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's a that's a that's a do think that, you know, I mean, we're naive to believe that somebody that big wasn't controlled.

Starting point is 01:26:08 But I mean, if you want to talk about, like, John Lennon went off the reservation for the entire 70s, it's called his lost weekend, you know, when he came out to LA and has got shit-faced with Harry Nilsen. I'll tell you what I think, this is my my my my my my this is my this is my this is my thi is my thi is my thi is my thi is my thi is my thi is my thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. thi. thi. th Johnny and Sam are right. Oh, I like that. Okay, compromise. Yeah. You're like, these guys were an artist itself. And Sam, Sam, you're absolutely right. It's not their expression that was perverted necessarily.

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Starting point is 01:27:33 You know, if you think the moral obligation in this situation is yours, not mine. And I mean, I think they were constantly at war with what you're talking about. Sam and you're right. Yeah, it was perverted in the end. Well, I just think that like up until recently, man, we are, we have seen that, you know, life is a stage man. And the world is a stage, right? And those who control the stage control everything. So it's like there could be a thousand great artists, but only if three of them are allowed on that stage, that's all that these people know about up until now. And we are now seeing people who are creating their, it's peer to peer, and people are creating their own brand

Starting point is 01:28:20 without any help. Now, are there people that I believe that, you know, a great discussion within the conspiracy community is like Candace Owens. She's a wonderful, she's somebody who's found her lane, you know, on this show, we've talked black conservatives are very much, you know, the most punk rock shit going on right now, because they dance to their own drummer. Now, but the question is, if the theiiiiqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq. the question the question the question the question the question the question the question the question the question the question the the question the the they've danced to their own drummer.

Starting point is 01:28:45 Now but the question is if you were the powers that be would a brand like Candace Owens help create chaos if like you pushed her forward and made her big now you have this other side that that is going to irritate the quote quote quote quote black culture and stuff like that like is that a blow up and I think she's wonderful I love watching your show man I this I and I have no answers on that but I mean it's just it's interesting stuff man it's like who is controlled who's not controlled and if you just go around your life just going is this person controlled opposition, then you're just, you're just gonna live in a misery. That's what I'm afraid

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Starting point is 01:30:20 I want to hold your hand. Yeah, oh, yeah, there are no, you're right, them at all. I'm not trying to despair as the lightness of them at all. I'm saying those messages can be perverted much easier because you just have to put them in another context. I want to hold your child hand. You put that fucking a whole different meaning, man. Yeah, you're totally right. That's how an artist's message is perverted. And guess what, dude?

Starting point is 01:30:46 I honestly believe, you know, I got into the Beatles. I was huge to them. I don't think those guys had an evil bone in their body. I think they're human beings. They made a lot of mistakes. And they got perverted by people who thua. I. I. thi. thiii. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I that's. I thi. I got. I got. I got. I got. I got. I got. I got. I got. I got. I got. I got. I got. I got. I got. I got. I got. I got. I got. I got. I got. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I got. I got. I got. I got. I got. I got to. I got to. I got to. I got to. I got to. I got to. I got to. I got to. I got to. I got to. I got to the. I got th naive. They're looking for this, like Hawks. Well, they're young, beautiful artists, man. That's all artists are. They're dumb. I am one.

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Starting point is 01:31:47 Yeah, I mean, dude, I personally believe that that show is worth over a billion dollars. And the other way is absolutely. But I think the reason you could be a little off here is because it's a licensing deal, if it's more than a licensing deal, then yeah, possibly. But if it is just what it is on its face, a licensing the th. A license th. A license th. A license th. A license toe, a th. A license to th. A license to to th. to th. th. to th. th. thi. thi. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, thi, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi, thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to, to, to, to, toe toe toe toe toe toe toe toe toe toe toe toe the the thi. thi. deal, then yeah, possibly. But if it is just what it is on its face, a licensing deal, and he still owns the show, and after the deal expires, he can go back to doing whatever he wants, then, I mean, got, 100 100 mil, that's a good deal, because a licensing deal. I understand that, but I do think it's probably in the 300 mil, that's my honest opinion. But let's see how it changes. The proof will be in the pudding on this one. Because we're going to see...

Starting point is 01:32:27 Johnny is that the CEOs of Spotify love Rogin. There's just some staff in New York. Where's the big hairy butt? Where's the big hairy butt? Are like angry? But again, I've talked about before. This is what, like, women make the rules of society, men make the rules of business, and what we're seeing, and by, I say, women

Starting point is 01:32:53 make the rules of society, that's the emotional side. And I'm not being disrespectful. It's one of the most insightful things you say, by the way, I really, I think about that a lot. It's a really, it's a really smart observation too. Thank you. And this is, and what's, okay, I enjoy jerking off. Um, but.

Starting point is 01:33:11 No, it's I was jerking you off is what I meant. Yeah, that's what I, of course, because I would never jerk you off because, unless I was really angry at you upload that fucking thing? Anyways, I don't upload the videos by the way. From the simulation up, already, Johnny, come on. So, but now there's some staff at Spotify, the word on the street, and we don't even know it's real, it's all employees want to strike. It's like, okay, so this this brand has been brought over to your

Starting point is 01:33:45 your company. Your stock skyrocketed until you guys cried and now it hurt stock. If I if I ran Spotify, I would fire them all. Who doesn't want him here? Fire, fired, fired, fired, because your emotions are affecting our business. Business. You keep your emotions to yourself. Our job is what is the best business move. And that's why Hollywood is crumbling because they've allowed their emotions to affect their business, okay?

Starting point is 01:34:17 And they're so worried about the sacred victim, right? And they're like, oh, we can't offend this person unless you're a conservative and then we're just gonna tee off on you. Because, because, because, because, because we're their their th, because we're th, and we're th, and we're th. And we're th. And we're th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. toe, toe. toe. toea, toooomoomorrow, toe. too, toe. tooomorrow, toe. too, toe. toe. toe. their tho, we can't offend this person unless you're conservative, and then we're just going to tee off on you because we're rich kids and we hate our dads, and our dads were conservative, so dads don't have feelings and they didn't hug us enough. So we're just going to tee off on fucking dad. There's also this tendency, go ahead, sorry. No, but go on. But there's also this tendency in Hollywood and really like business at the top levels to underestimate how many people are more right leaning, you know, and how many people don't give

Starting point is 01:34:50 it shit about any of this, you know? They're more afraid of these people, like the very small percentage of people that go on Twitter and complain strike such fear, a disproportionate fear in the hearts of people in business in Hollywood. And I think once maybe once they get, they they they realize, they realize, they realize, they realize, they they they they're, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, their, their, their I think maybe once they get, they realize that most of these suggested boycotts and social media actions have no teeth at all. And then maybe we can be in like a post sort of boycott era. Most of your internet trolls, Johnny, do not, do not buy tickets to anything. Yeah, yeah, nothing.

Starting point is 01:35:27 There's no teeth in most social pressure, man. That is the biggest, that's the biggest thing to learn as you grow up, is that like bullying exists for social norming, but like if you're strong enough, you can be your own social norm. That's the deal. You know, totally, for sure. History's the deal. You know? Totally. For sure. History's written by the winners.

Starting point is 01:35:47 What is a winner? A person who decides to dominate the paradigm, dominate the frame. And if you don't accept my domination of the frame, I'm going to force you to accept it. You know, we're coming to a mad reconciliation in the fall to see who dominates the frame. You know, we're almost a month away. Buckle up, motherfuckers.

Starting point is 01:36:09 Yeah, bro. It's going to be non, it's going to be crazy. Johnny, I know you're not a Q guy, and I'm fine with that. Well, I don't, yeah, okay. There's something there. I don't know what it is,. I'm not willing to. I mean this stuff with Hunter. It's all coming out now and that's been in Q forever. And Hunter, Jeffrey Epstein, Facebook, North Korea, all this stuff. And I know there's, you know, the whole theory is that it's there to placate everybody so they don't go after Trump. But I see people starting to call Trump left and right.

Starting point is 01:36:46 But man, I've learned a lot of information that's come out to be true later on about all this hunter stuff, this hunter, but I mean, dude, we were talking about the other day, when smoking crack is like the least offensive of all the stuff you're accused of, I mean, you've gone on a run, yeah. And it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, I. It's like, I's like, I's like on a run, dog. Yeah. You've got a run. And it's just like, you know, it's like I see a lot of these people starting to blow off and they're like these political guys and they're all just like cue this, cue that, cues, cues all that. I get it.

Starting point is 01:37:15 I'm not there, by the way. I just, I'm circum that. Well, my whole thing is like, I don't need anybody to save me, but I've learned a lot from from the Q post to how people interpret it on these Twitter accounts all and stuff. I've learned so much about what's going on, dude. And like the death of the mainstream media, dude, I'm sorry, but Obamagate is all fucking Q. We've heard so much from that from Q. And the reason you want to hate it is because it's Trump and it's Christian and I don't have a problem with either of them, okay? I've told you my theory on Trump and he's Godzilla. But I also question everything that he does. Because he's the president. And even if you love them or you hate them, you got to question everything but you also have to be like, this is okay. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to be like, th. th. th. to be like, th. th. th. to be like, th. th. to be like, to be like, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, the to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to, to, to, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, th. thru. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. th. the. I, th. I, th. I, you also have to be like this is okay because what Trump is battling is 10 times worse. You have a bunch of people who have sold out to foreign

Starting point is 01:38:09 interests to help destroy this country. And this country's got problems. It does. Man, what we're doing to the rest of the world is disgusting. Okay? All right. But just know that this country, every time it's elected the president, these presidents have all ran to fucking pull us out of war. Every single one of them is like, I'm going to end the wars and none of them do it. None of them go except for an LBJ who was like, I'm gonna take my dick out anytime I need to intimidate somebody. I don't know if you know the history of that dude. Now listen, thu, thu, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thu, th, thu, thu, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thu, thu, thu, thus, thus, thus thi, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus. thus, thus. thus, thus, thus, thus, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, just thi, just thi, thi's than, than, than, thiii's thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. thi. He's thi. Just, thi. Justthat, dude. Now listen, dude. Wild guy. Tim Kennedy said on Reagan show, it's like, yeah, they're gonna pull out Afghanistan.

Starting point is 01:38:50 They're gonna bring them elsewhere. Well, that's not, there's nothing we do about that. I mean, that's just how it's gonna be. I don't care who you put in there. But just the pulling out of Afghanistan. We're down that's, that, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, the, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, they. tho, they. they. they. they. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they, they, they, they, they, they, thi, they. thi, they. they. they. thi, they. they. thi, they're throw. throw. throw. they're gonna gonna gonna gonna go go go go, they're gonna gonna gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna, they're they're down to 3,000 troops, man. I hate that defeatist sort of attitude though that there's nothing we can do about the the... Okay, Johnny, I agree with that. But I think you got to take everything like just, you know, grain of salt I think, you know, I just think you got to be like, okay, I mean, it's the president. I mean, good luck. I'm really hating that's that. I that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the president, that's the president, the president, the president, the president, I's the president, I's the president, I's the president, I'm that's the president, I'm that's thi. that's thi. the president, the president, the president, the president, the president, the president, the president, the president, the president, the president, it's, it's the president, it's the president, it's the president, it's the president, it's the president, it's the president, it's the president, it's the president, it's the president, it's the president, it's the president, it's the president, it's the president, I's the president, I's the president, I's the president, I's the president, I's the president, I's the president, I's the president, I's the president, I's the president, I's the president, I's the president, I's the president, I's the president, I'm, good luck, you know what I really hate? It's just somebody who just bitches no matter what. I'm really hating that person and politics.

Starting point is 01:39:30 There's a lot of people I love, but they're just like, everything is bad all the time. So I'm like, well, then why are you doing this? You're not really adding anything. You're just no different than the person who, that the president, no matter what the president does is is is is is is thah is thah is thi is thii is thi is thi is the president is the president is the president is the president is the president is the president is the president is the president is the president is the matter what the president does that is good. That's all TV news is all is just no matter who's in charge it's a litany of complaints and darkness I mean that's all TV news is especially the opinion show you want to play you want to play you want to play a fun

Starting point is 01:39:56 drinking game with me or like some kind of like fun game go ahead every time someone mentions climate change go ahead and drink every time they mention planting a tree you you you you you the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th the th th the th the th I th I the th. the the the. the the the the. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. No. No. No. No th. No th. No the. I the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the the. the. the. the. ahead and drink every time they mention planting a tree. You will be the most sober person on the face of the planet. Climate change has nothing to do with actually planting trees or changing our climate. It is a talking point like all these other things that people have grasped onto and we are so far away from the actual solution that people are considering climate credits and all this horseshit nonsense which is just human being cleverness it's not all it's all insanity man not a single trees being planted like I don't get it anymore we're so far away from reality man we've all agreed to just be in nonsense land

Starting point is 01:40:39 and and this is Sam I hate to say this I didn't come on here to wax your car but the reason your podcast is so important, a podcast like it, is because people need to talk shop. We need to get together and say, you know, it's great that we need to consider the climate, but like, where are you gonna plant a tree this weekend? You know what I mean? Can we meet together together together together together together togn't togn't to to to togn't to to to to to to to to to to toge toge toge toge toge togu thea thea to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the theananananananananan't thean't thean't thean.. thean. thean. thea. tr. tr. tree. tree. tree. tree. tree. tree. tree. tree. tree. tree. tree. tree. tree. thea. t Can we meet together and plant some trees? Can we actually do some things? And that starts with the conversation, man. And people are even afraid to talk at this point.

Starting point is 01:41:08 And you know, and part of that is because there are so many things you can say now that just walk the room, you know? Like people are afraid to say the wrong thing. But those have been created. Those are like, tha, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, that, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tha, tha, tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha, tha, tha, tha tha tha, tha tha tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha tha tha that tha. tha. tha tha' tha' tha' tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha'd be bad if you mentioned this? Let's get out of here. Let's get out of here if he mentions planting a tree, this fucking faggot, it's a plant a tree and touch a man. What's he doing? This fucking guy. We need to have a new social agreement where everything's on the table, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:41:38 And by everything, I mean everything I mean, by everything, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean everything within the norms of society. We stop wearing our masks for conversation. Exactly. Yeah, we start talking shop. We start being like, hey man, I know you have these problems. How do we fix those? Yeah, pedophile is a real issue, man. I'm with you a lot of talk. People love talking about slavery from 200 years ago, but nobody wants to talk about slavery.

Starting point is 01:42:03 Libia right now. Everybody wants to talks about the concentration camps in Germany. Nobody wants to do any of that. Because that would actually you take actually interactive people hate racism in this country. You know people hate sexism in this country. People hate violent crime. But you know what? Nobody wants to talk about pedophilia because it scares them because they would actually have to fucking wake up and do something. People want to talk about the me too and they want to all agree to me.

Starting point is 01:42:36 Yeah, yeah, yeah, me too. It's so bad. Hey, what about the pedophiles? Whatever, crazy conspiracy person, you know? And it's and it's th and it's th and it's thi and it's thi and it's thi, and it's thi, and it's, and it's, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thus, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thiaaa, tha, thiaa, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thi, thiles? Whatever crazy conspiracy person, you know? And it's just really sad. And anybody, and I mean anybody, that wants to debate me on whether we have a power structure, pedophilia problem in this country, I'm your Huckleberry.

Starting point is 01:42:56 Anytime you want to come and have a discussion, okay? Because I know some of you motherfuckers still want to have a career in Hollywood So you want to fucking act like it's not a big deal and shit all over it So you could fucking get hand jobs from the Hollywood elites. It's a giant fucking fucking disrespect it is fucking sell out bullshit and I see you doing it and I promise you. Yeah, we're gonna have our day Hey shut up about pedophilia not being an issue. Because you just, you wanna be one of the cool kids. You have your fucking foot in both sides of the fucking thing man, and I see it happening. And dude, you don't think Pizza Gate is real,

Starting point is 01:43:38 go look at the tweet that somebody took of James Alfintas talking about Cumb pandas. If you knew what come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come come the the the panda was, you'd want to beat the fuck out of that guy. So stop tell me it's not an issue. Stop telling me it's like the fucking, the fucking rights version of COVID. Shut up. You're disservice and you're hurting children to sit there and co-sign that.

Starting point is 01:44:04 Oh my god, these comics are so meany to fucking. to f. the fu. the fu. the fu. the fu. th. th. th. th. th. thu. thi. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I' th. I' th. I'm. I'm th. I'm th. I'm the that. I'm that. I'm the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. th. th. thin. the the t. the the th. the the th. the the th. th. the th. th. the th. th. to sit there and co-sign that. Oh my god, these comics are so meany to fucking girls and then turn around and act like pedophilia isn't an issue. You're not fucking be an edgy you fucking edge lord. You're fucking be a fucking pussy. And I'll fucking smack you if you think I'm kidding. I'm so over these fucking phony fucks in comedy. I'm so over fake punk rockers. Yes.

Starting point is 01:44:31 Trying to be edgy, making fun of kids getting fucking fucked. Now, I'm not super serious guy all the time where there can't be jokes. But when you go out there and try to act like it's not an issue because it can't help your fucking career and you can't spin it into a fucking showcase or a funny ass fucking video I'm gonna fucking go nuts. We're gonna have our day. We're gonna have our day. There's some people too. You're trying to play both sides of the fucking rail.

Starting point is 01:44:59 There's some like you're an outsider while you're doing insider bullshit. There's another class. There's another class of person too for for whom that is even just too dark to consider as a possibility. You know, like I know my family, maybe they don't necessarily think it's that big of a problem because it's just too dark to. I mean, how can you live your life with that knowledge? No, I got that. But real, but they don't want to admit it because they don't want to piss off the Hollywood people. Yeah, we just got to reach out of those people. Yeah, I love you guys very much. Yeah, what's up?

Starting point is 01:45:30 The big thing is, once you have a kid, it's so realigning in terms of like awareness, that you're like, I can't even, man, I'm sorry, I'm going to pick. the their you. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that. that. that's, th. th. th. th. th. thi, can, can, can, can, can, can, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, can't, th. Can, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. they's, they's thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. that. thr. thr. I as I go. No, no, no, please. God bless you. I hope you have kids. I hope you have kids one day. I hope they're planned. Mine, mine wasn't. And he's the most amazing little monster in the world. But, you know, listen, the difference is man, like I'm rolling with the punches. And our world has real problems. And once you have a kid, you start looking. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the the the the to, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the the the the the the the the the, the the the the the, the the, the the the the the the the the the, the the, the, the, the the the the the, the, the the the the they.o, they.o, tho, thooooooooooooooo, too.o, the most, thoooooo, the most, the most, the most, you start going, okay, now what do I need to pay attention to? And you start looking, and all of a sudden it's horrific. It's beyond concerning. It's horrific it because nobody wants to take a

Starting point is 01:46:30 even acknowledge a damn thing. The idea that a pedophilia scandal could be called conspiracy without proper due diligence and investigation is a crime against humanity. I'm sorry, that's what it is. And the fact that the UN isn't looking into pedophilia in our country, that's fucking telling what are those guys up to, okay? Those guys are doing the job of the world bank. All right, those are bankers.

Starting point is 01:46:54 They're not here to help you. No God damn, that was inspiring. So I want to get all Alex Jones on your ass. But really, it's not a fucking joke, man. I have a kid. And you know, Sam and I went out there and we marched for the movement for children. And that was a big deal. And that really brought it home. And I saw all those people come out there. And to have to have to have to have children to have children to have children to have children to have children to have children, to have children, to have children, the their, their, their, their, their, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, to have, tho, to have, the the tho, to have, to to to to to to to to to the the the tho, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the the the, the, the the the, the tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thoo, thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo....... th. and to be down there and to know that we were walking around.

Starting point is 01:47:25 This is something that happened during that March, man, is that every once in a while we'd have, we'd run into like a lamp post and there'd be a poster on it, advertising for like, well, what it is is an actual advertisement to try to hire hookers from some pimp. And it's like, hey, we could, we've hired, you $2,000 a week, to pay, to pay, to pay, to pay, to pay, to pay, to pay, to pay, to pay,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they.00, to, to, to, to, to, th.00, to, th.00, to, th.00, to, to, th.00, to, to, th.00, to, to, to, th. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. th. to, th. to, we could, we could, you've hired, you'll pay you $2,000 a week and come get a easy job. And like to watch these people tearing down actual posters in Hollywood that were trying to seduce people into human trafficking. This problem is more than systemic guys and gals. This problem is, it's a foundational element of our country and it goes back to slavery and it goes back to the manipulation of the human spirit and like what does it take to actually have a hierarchy? Jesus Christ I can't begin to untangle all that. It's my job not to untangle it. It's just

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Starting point is 01:49:46 Now before you hate me for having a name like that, you only have to type it in once. I'm wearing yellow towel, I'm wearing yellow towel around my neck. And I'd love your follow. I'm just another dude. You know the best buddy. I love you the pieces you came, you crush. We're gonna talk about Pythagorius, but we ended up just talking about life and just like What's more important man? Yeah, it's the best?

Starting point is 01:50:08 What's more important? All right guys, I love you very much. I appreciate you and we will see you soon. Thank you so much. Take care. Bye. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron! This is only the beginning.

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