Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #378: The Nephilim, Demonic Possession and Necromancers with Nathaniel Gillis and Paul Dionne Jr

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Starting point is 00:00:51 I'm here to. Yes. Back in the saddle, he didn't die again. Just doing his coyote drug mulele. That's his side gig. You know, and sometimes he's got to pay the bills. Welcome back to the show Xavier Guerrero. You're right this one this time it was to Denver. I had to do a little business down there Do you do some stand up or what you do? Ah just some Sam Triplie stuff? Okay. I don't even know what that means? But I'm in okay. What decade of Sam Trippley? Yeah, what that's a great question Johnny? That's a great question. That's? That's? That's? That's? That's? That's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's a that's a great question. That's a great. That's a great. That's a great. That's a great. That's a great. That's a great. that's a great. that's a great question. That's a great. that's a great. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. the the th. His Vegas years. Oh shit, the early danger. You know, it's very

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Starting point is 00:01:55 Big fun show, man. Getting religious, man. And, you know, so guys, real quick, I wanted you guys to tell you about, I'm going to be live at Cleveland. I'm going to be in Cleveland, October 23rd, Friday, October 23rd at 9 p.m. Just Google it. I will have all the links in the description. Pickwick and Forrick.

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Starting point is 00:03:45 demonologist on and a good friend returns to talk about these nasty, these, they're not, what do these think they are? They're demons, they're. Oh he had a name for him, Moulters. Yeah, we're going to talk to Moulters. Guys, enjoy the show. I love you very much. Good morning, Swar. You know he was on the last episode earlier and he's joining us again. He's my good friend. He is a Reiki practitioner and teacher, my good friend Paul Dion Jr. How are you, Paul? I'm doing well, man. Thank you having me back, bro. It's good to be here. Anytime. You're one of my favorite people in the world. You've done so much for me, anything I could ever do. I'd love to pay you back. And you're a wonderful guest to have in on this topic today.

Starting point is 00:04:33 So thank you for joining us. My brother. religious demonologists and an author. Please welcome Nathaniel Gillis. How are your brother? Doing good, sir. Thank you guys for having me. This is going to be a fascinating subject to talk about. Now, do you have a movie coming out? Or do you have a project coming out that?

Starting point is 00:04:55 It's a book. It's due out at the end of the month, and it's called the skin that crawls. The skin that crawls. Tells a little bit about one day it does become a movie, so maybe one day. Who knows, man? Who knows? I mean, this sounds like something right down the line of what Netflix has been cranking out lately, right? Hey man, I'm here for it. So tell us a little bit about the book. Well, it's my very first book on demonology. It's going to kind to kind to kind to to kind to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theck. the theck. theck. the theck. the the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. that's that's the. that's the. that's the. that's the. that's the. that's the. the. that's the. the. the. the. the. the. It's going to kind of connect the UFO abduction phenomenon with exorcisms and possession cases.

Starting point is 00:05:31 I'm one of those researchers that is a proponent of what's called the unified field theory. So I believe we are dealing with the same creatures, the same species and entities. And so in the book, I go from Genesis 6 and Nephaleme all the way through the D-Book in the 16th century, and I kind of just tie all the loose ends together and hopefully add some some more value to my discipline. The more and more I realize we live in a very special place and there's some wonderful stuff and there's some dark shit. There's some dark, dark energy right? Do you deal with that at all Paul? I do. Absolutely, especially with you know the day job that I have working with drug addicts and alcohol, excuse me,

Starting point is 00:06:19 alcoholics, we deal with some dark stuff on the daily. I mean that's why they call it spirits dude. Yeah 100%. I mean I mean there's mental issues out there but there's I think people are possessed man when they get all when they get all whacked out and they're on the streets I think I think they got demons in them. You know I've listened to a lot of Nathaniel's podcast and he brings up some really good points as to why that type of darkness affects drug addiction and alcoholism the way that it does. Yeah, I mean, dude, you know, the thing I've learned on this show is like when you when you open yourself to spirit, you don't know what's going to step in.

Starting point is 00:07:07 100%. Exactly right. You don't know what's going to step in. It's not all, it's not sunshine and blue skies. It's all not, it's all not puppy dogs and pigtails, man. Especially when you got like a voice and you had telling you that you probably should die. Today is a good day. And that's like, and that's a lot of what a lot of what that's a lot of what that's a lot of what that's a lot of what's a lot of what's a lot of what that's a lot of what that's a lot of what that's a lot of what's a lot of what that's a lot of what that's a lot of what that's a lot of what that's a lot of what that's a that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's going. that's going. that's going. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. th. that's the the the the the th. the the the th. the the thoo. tho. tho. the tho. tho. tho. tho. that's that's that's that And that's like, and that's a lot of what my own personal experience was with was was, you know, having that voice in my head telling me that you don't belong here anymore.

Starting point is 00:07:33 So let's get into this man. So, tell me, who is the nephalum? Nephalum is just a term. It was used to describe death or people who died. So, what I is I studied the word, but I also look at what's called comparative etymology. And so one of the words that we have to look at is the nephaline, but we have to also remember that when that passage was written in the Bible, they did not have vows in the Hebrew language. And so when you take that word and strip it of its vows, what you have is the Hebrew word for unexpected pregnancies, abortion, and stillbirth. What? What is that word? I'm sorry? What is the word when you strip it up? It's just nifle without vows. But it's an ex-it's really it refers to the fact that when these entities in Genesis 6 first manifested in our world, they didn't just get women pregnant, but they wanted to make sure

Starting point is 00:08:37 that the child was born deceased. That? Wow. Right. See, these, okay, let me back up here. I grew up in the Christian tradition. And so what I thought was, you know, that Genesis 6 was about fallen angels who for some weird reason fell in love with women.

Starting point is 00:09:01 And then for another weird reason, somehow somehow they had male substance, I guess, semen to procreate. And the more I dug into this research, the more I discovered the fact that they were not fallen angels. They were disincarnate entities who were looking for re-embodiment again. And so what they did is they did exactly what an incubus does, where in Genesis 6 it literally says that they took wives and they went in on to them. Now what really grieves me is the fact that there are many different takes on it. There's many different books that explain this narrative, but all of them disagree with each other. They have an academia, what's called

Starting point is 00:09:46 meaning-bearing inconsistencies. Some books blame it on the women being beautiful. Other books blame it on the angels being too lustful. But there was one proponent that was missing in all of this, and that is how could they procreate with women? So make sense. Yeah, I mean, that seems to be a big theme that we see with, whether it's aliens, high frequency, low frequency entities, they just want to get in that ass, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:10:16 Like, it's just like that just seems to be it, man. I don't know what it is, but you know, Greek gods hooked up with immortal women. It's just like the womb is very powerful man. It is a very powerful thing. Very interesting that they wanted to procreate but they wanted to come back. They want the baby to come out dead. That's. It's chilling. And it gets even, it's so wrong on so many levels. But um, see one of the books that I came across was what's called a, it's a Coptic manuscript preserved by Egyptian monks. And it's called the Apocryphan of John. And in this, the author actually details how these entities manifested.

Starting point is 00:11:02 And it wasn't just okay, they took wives under themselves, but it says that these entities showed up as these women, as these wives' husbands. So imagine a woman is laying down one night and she looks and sees what appears to be her husband, and that husband coerces her into intercourse. This is what apocryphan of John says, that's remarkable. And then once that entity, that husband coerces her into intercourse. This is what apochophan of John says. It's remarkable. And then once that entity, that enquebus gains consent, or whatever you want to call that, actually, with that woman, at the moment of conception,

Starting point is 00:11:39 those, these entities stared into the faces of these wives, and then immediately, simultaneously reversed their image into what they truly looked like. Now, in order to understand what they're doing here, we have to think like them. Because that right, the act of staring into the face of a woman at the moment of conception, it's what's called an obstretic tradition. An obstetric tradition was that whatever the woman is focused on with her eyes, she will

Starting point is 00:12:14 birth the material image of through her womb. So what these entities did, guys, they're not fallen angels. These are disencarnate entities who are looking. They're not just possessing spirits. They want to possess a body that looks like their apparition. So, so they're not fallen angels. Where are they from? They're disembodied souls. What does that mean? What, I, what, what is that? Somebody, okay? So, so they're not? Okay. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so, so, so. So, they, they, they, they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they. they. they. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're not. they're not. they're not. they're not. they're not. they're not. they're not. they're not. they're not. they're not. they're not. they're not. they're. they're. they're not. they from? They're disembodied souls. What does that mean? What is that? Somebody, okay, so they're also called the rephyme in the Bible. The raffaim is just deceased ancestors. It's literally people who've lived and died and for whatever reason,

Starting point is 00:12:59 they're stuck in this dimension. And so they're what's called in academia, they're called liminal beings. Liminal is being, or beings that are in between worlds. And so what they're after is re-embodiment again. We would call it demonic possession. But but the difference is it's not transient in nature. This is what Malachi Martin, the Catholic exorcist, would call perfect possession. When you say re-embodiment, how were they embodied in the past?????... th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. Are thi, are being thi, are being thi, are being thi, are being thi, are being thi, are being thi in thi in thi in thi in thi in thi in thi in thiings in thiings in thiings in thiings in thiings in thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thiiiiiiiiiiiiii. thi. thii. thi. thi. thi exorcist, would call perfect possession. When you say re-embodyment, how were they embodied in the past? As mortals, as human beings.

Starting point is 00:13:30 As human beings, okay. But were they, were they good people or bad people? Or they just somebody that couldn't pass to whatever through, depending on what you believe in to the other side, through the matrix, to the light, to heaven, to hell, whatever you believe in, is there a reason why they're stuck here? Because they were bad people or they just got stuck here and now they're like, fuck, I got to get, I got to get out of here. Okay, so check this out. According to my research, these entities, these entities, it's almost as if when they molt,

Starting point is 00:14:05 because I call these entities Moulterps. When they molted their body, they were stuck in between worlds. And it was as if somewhere, that ethereal next dimension, that they learned a different value system, a different currency, and something that's completely alien to us in every way. So, to answer that question more specifically, the entities that I've encountered, because I've had murder cases where these entities have possessed people, these entities have a serial killer pathology. They're incredibly intelligent. They will kill with impunity. And they'll come in and they'll come out.

Starting point is 00:14:49 And so these entities, I mean, I tell a lot of people in my interviews, if you set across from them and had a discussion with him, you would feel like you're in the presence of a serial killer. Because it's almost like they're psychopaths. And so, I mean, what more of a psychopathic nature, they literally kill babies just inhabit them. So, so that's, yes. Why, so they want to, they want to procreate, but why do they want the child dead if they're trying to come back? They're necromancers. And so what they do, I'm sorry?

Starting point is 00:15:29 I was asking Paul because he said, do you know what that is? I do, necromancers? What is it? Okay. A necromancer will inhabit like something that is dead? That, that is dead. And that's reanimation is their whole MO. I've met a few of them. They're not pleasant. No. Yeah, they're, and that is, that's why I like, when I was listening, just to get to know you and your podcast, I did relate to a lot of that. Um, that there's real darkness, darkness in the world and really understanding that that that kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind that that that that that that that that that kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind that that that that that that that that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind th kind th. th. th. th. th. th. that kind of th. that kind of that kind of that kind of that kind of that kind of that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind lot of that. There's real darkness in the world and really understanding that that kind of evil, what it would take to possess a person,

Starting point is 00:16:14 what it takes to get that person to do something they normally would not do. I don't want to jump ahead, but you talk about grooming, that grooming process, and that is something that we see. There's many ways to do that. How do you groom somebody who's dealing with drugs and alcohol to kill themselves? Exactly right. Do you know what I'm saying? Wow. Yeah. Wow. The narcissistic nature of these entities, it's quite telling and they do love bomb. They'll manipulate, especially women, they'll manipulate and try to move in on their victim. See, to answer your question about suicide,

Starting point is 00:16:51 especially within the context of possession, before we conform to them, they conform to us in the stage and process of grooming. And so the whole purpose of grooming us is to give us thoughts that are theirs. and to a point, to a point, they're their their their their their their their their they're they, and they, and they, and their their they, and they, and their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, and their their their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their their their their their their their their their their their te.e, and te.e, and te.e.e.e.e.elling. tell try te, and try try try try try try their their their their their their te, and of grooming. And so the whole purpose of grooming us is to give us thoughts that are theirs into a point where once possession happens we cannot tell the difference between our emotions and their emotions, our thoughts and their thoughts. And at that point that entity will wear their victim like a skin. It will gather its memory and its presence into one body and that entity will not do that unless unless

Starting point is 00:17:32 he wants to act upon something. And if he wants to act upon something then you're going to see a different manifestation. That person will not have the same memory, the same value and many times not even the same language. So to kind of, to summarize, possession is necromancy. And when we see possessions, what we have to understand is we're watching memory in motion. But whose memory is it? That's one of the fascinating questions. It's so interesting, dude. It's so interesting. This is like's so interesting. It's just like,

Starting point is 00:18:08 so are they trying to come back so they could go to the next thing, go to get out of the purgatory that they're in? In a way. Do they actually want to, do they want to escape this realm? Or? They don't want to die. They do not want to die. These entities, see, we have to understand what the ancient, under, I guess the ancient idea of a soul was. You have an external soul, which is the body. Then you have an internal soul, which is the spirit, essentially, what they're trying to do is they're trying to recreate what's the external soul, essentially a body. They do not want to die. And so it's almost as if, I'm going to say this, it's almost as if these entities that

Starting point is 00:18:52 are transient in possession, it's almost as if those are the young in that dimension. So it makes sense, like they're the new ones. They're like putting people on trying to figure out how to work a body again. Those are the lesser intelligence. They're not the ones who are incredibly smooth. They're the people many times who are biblically illiterate. Now, the second entity, the motor, it will literally, and this is what the historical text say, They'll snatch you up out of your sleep, kill you. They'll matter of fact in Ezekiel 13, Yahweh is warring against these necromancers and he called them soul hunters. So Yahweh that is Kanye West right? No that is not that's Jesus right? Is that who we're talking about?

Starting point is 00:19:42 Yahweh is God the father. Okay. God, it's so interesting. Well, when you, I'm sorry, when you say that they don't want to die, what, if they don't manage to reincarnate, I mean, will they expire? What does death mean when you're in that liminal space? Basically, what's called annihilationism. You no longer exist. And it's in the Bible they call it also the second death where both souls, the external soul and the inner soul, they die. It's just

Starting point is 00:20:13 non-existent. And so what we're witnessing is a form of self-preservation. And with that, what I have... With that second death in the Christian theology, would that be the judgment? Is that what what what thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi? thi? thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the thi. the the the th be the judgment is that what we're talking about there? Essentially yeah and so if you're good you have an afterlife if you're not you're just non-existent so these entities have a serial killer pathology is it okay to go in this direction guys yeah yeah yeah do okay I don't want to I'm loving it whatever so check this out man. The weir the better. Dude it gets it gets pretty nuts brother. Guys these episodes brought to you by our good friends at Blue Chu that's right Blue Chu. This episode is sponsored by Blue Chu. Brue to brings you the first Chubel with the same FDA approved active ingredients as Viagra and Sealus. Okay. Dude to me, man. They're trying to kill human beings

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Starting point is 00:23:13 turned to see Jeffrey Dahmer. Jeffrey Dahmer is on a couch. He's just doing this. He's rocking back and forth. And he's speaking an unknown language. Whose memory is being manifested in that moment? It's not Jeffries. Furthermore, furthermore, Jeffrey Dahmer had a nag for taking the bones of his victims,

Starting point is 00:23:37 pulverizing them into powder and fanning them in a circular motion in his backyard. That's a necromanic ritual. But how does he know that? He doesn't. So these entities are, they have what's called a serial killer pathology. They have their own rituals. They have their own symbolism. Matter of fact, it was Father Sinastrari of Amino.

Starting point is 00:24:04 He was a Franciscan priest. He worked a lot of incubus cases, and there were times when he would be in the home within an hour of the event taking place. You guys are ready for this? He would actually collect semen samples that were left by the spirit. How? So he was just going C. S. I on these things and he was just scooping up man sauce all over the place. That's crazy. Correct. Matter of fact, it was it was both he and Montague Summers. They both came to conclusion in different parts of history. But they said that these entities being necromancers were milking. their their the spirit. their thank. their thi. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. the they. the the the they. they. the. the. the. that these entities, being necromancers, were milking the carcasses of the dead. Taking that essence and then trying to implant it into a living woman. They're doing the same thing. We just, in terms of my discipline, demonology, we just didn't realize what they were doing until maybe.

Starting point is 00:25:10 For the rookie, so, so what you're saying is, are they taking another spirit or they taking their spirit and putting it into the women? Their spirit. Oh man, so crazy. And once they take over your spirit, can they get taken out like an extracism? Yes. And only a Catholic priest can do that? No. No. Catholicism didn't even author the exorcistic right. That comes right out of numbers chapter 19. And what's fascinating about this guys is that extracisticistic right of sprinkling waters was to cleanse someone of what's called corpse defilement. What? Again, necromancy. Exactly right. The actual exorcistic right, it started out with anyone who touches the deceased, touches a corpse,

Starting point is 00:26:06 they become polluted by death. So watch this. Remember how I told you there's two souls, the external soul, and then there's the internal soul? Well, later on in the Hebrew theology, their demonology changed and suddenly now we don't just have corpse pollution by virtue of touch. Now we have corpse pollution by virtue of possession. Where that actual entity, you may have never touched their body but that entity is inside of the demoniac. Geez, Louise.

Starting point is 00:26:46 And now watch that, this is fascinating. In the book of numbers chapter 19, it talks about how you throw holy water and all that stuff. But in addition to that, it introduces what's called the open vessel law. This is where possession comes from. The open vessel wall was the fact that when there's a corpse in the house, there will be a stench of decomposing or rotting organic matter, obviously. But that stench will also contaminate everything that's open. So at that point scholars said now it's not just the physical aspect of it.

Starting point is 00:27:25 This is a gas. This is a rancid presence. It was called killer air. So what we experience in modernity and possession cases, it's still corpse pollution. It's just that other aspect of it. Is this every time somebody dies or just when these scumbag show up? That's when they show up. And they're apocalyptic. They are absolutely, they're an apocalyptic species of

Starting point is 00:27:54 necromansers and they, they'll kill anything to stay alive. Unbelievable, man, the world is crazy. I always bring this up and everything like because you're Mexican, the Wigi board. Can you really get possessed through the Wigi board? 100%? Yep. Really? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:13 Absolutely. Oh, man. It's consent. Correct. I mean, it's like opening the door and saying, hey, Ted. And every other Ted or anything that wants to appear like Ted shows up. It's quite, it's really, I don't even advise anybody to mess with that. Are there, are there ways to do it safely?

Starting point is 00:28:33 No. Yeah, of course not. Well, no, people, no, people have came on here and claim that they do it safely that you just got to not ask for evil spirits but I mean he's right if you do that hey yeah there's like is there anybody out there if you're evil don't answer it's the same yeah the same people that are in the fucking Crowley I mean they all think that you summon like a your guardian angel yeah whatever and it protects you yeah there's a reason why the the number one question that comes to a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the the the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they they they're the they're they're the the the the the the the theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're a reason why the number one question that comes to a wigi board is let me in. Will you let me in? Again, it's possession.

Starting point is 00:29:11 So, one of the things that I always had an issue with was why these entities are so lustful. You know, I mean, even in what's called Aeros and Evil, it was a book by R.E.L. Masters, and you look at the witches in the 16th century and in the way they would make love to the demons, you start to realize that these demons weren't in it for pleasure. They had something else going on in their head. And I'm afraid that if my discipline of demonology does not understand how these entities are mutating, we will forever be grouping at the darkness. So they're just basically trying to get everybody pregnant. And yeah, they're creating a social skin. And then they want that baby to die so they can take it over? Mm-hmm. Exactly right. No. This is this is crazy. So in the apocryphan of John it says that they begot, these women, they

Starting point is 00:30:08 begot from the darkness, babies, children, who looked like the apparition that was actually in bed with them. But in addition to that, it says that they created copies of bodies. This is crazy. Now I didn't understand what this was all about because you know I honestly guys I read a lot of the literature and we've been saying the same thing for hundreds of years. We need something new insight. Sometimes we even we even need new vocabulary for the stuff. But the idea of copies of bodies goes all the way, even back to UFO abduction phenomenon. And now what do you say, copies of bodies? What does that mean?

Starting point is 00:30:54 They're cloning people. They look the same, they look exactly like each other. So it's in succession. You can't tell if one was born before the other. They look exactly like each other. So now check us out. So in the apocryphan of John, do you guys remember how I said that these entities first appeared as the husbands to these wives? Now watch this.

Starting point is 00:31:20 In the UFO abduction phenomenon, there is a researcher called Dr. Carla Turner. And she wrote a book called The Masquerade of Angels. She had no idea. She didn't even speak about Genesis 6. She was going off of solely off of the data sample of UFO abductees. But she had an abductee by the name of Ted Rice. Ted Rice was abducted in nine years old. He told her that along with me, he said, he said, I wasn't the only one abducted.

Starting point is 00:31:51 It was both me and my grandmother. His grandmother, they're both in this metallic room. And from the corner, there comes a hybrid entity. And he walks over to the grandmother and guess what he tries to do the same thing that an incubus does right he tries to he tries to groom her into sexual intercourse grandma grandma grandma grandma yeah and really these demons still hit anything man they're crazy dude they're crazy dude This is a species of evil unknown to humanity.

Starting point is 00:32:28 But the grandmother says I was a virgin when I met my husband. He's the only man I've ever been with. Hello, Genesis 6, right? Hello, a prococke, a front of John. And she said, I'm not doing anything. Instantaneously, from the corner of the room comes her husband. And that entity, because it's what they always do, try to groom that victim, that abductee, into intercourse by appearing as her husband. So these entities will you know memories against us. And to be clear, you're talking about physical entities, right? Physical intimacy. Now, remember, it's, it's, it's, it's not. It's, it's not. It's, it's not. It's, it's not. It's, it's, it's not. It's not. It's, it's not. It's, it's, it's not. It's, it's, it's not. It's, it's, it's not. It's, it's, it's not. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not. It's. It's, it. It's. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It's, it. It's, it. It's, it. It's, it. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a. It's, it's, it's a. It's a. that it's, it's, it's a. that it's, you're talking about physical entities, right? Physical intimacy.

Starting point is 00:33:08 Now, remember, it's crazy, man. It gets even deeper. And now, do they, do they appear as, is what we would call ghosts? I mean, is that kind of the same thing here? It is the same thing. They're doing it on both levels here. It's the same phenomenon. See, I tell the the the the thea do. They're what they believe in. But what do they believe in? Why are they doing this? Are all ghosts of these entities? No. No. There are ghosts and even some possessions that are benevolent. And those are what are called the D-Book or the Dibik,

Starting point is 00:33:46 where they would just possess people, and many of them, especially in the 16th century, they would just say, you know what, there's my body. Would you go give me a proper burial? Right? So there are ghosts that are good. But these entities, in Ezekial 13, literally, Y Yah,those who should live die and those who should die live. This is now we can go in in many different directions that I don't want to ramble.

Starting point is 00:34:13 Yeah, it's great. It's great. I'm all about that action. You know when they say in the Tibetan Book to the Dead, they say when you pass away that these Archons, they appear as your family almost. All your dead relatives, all the people you love, and they try to convince you to go into the light, which would be rebirth back into the Matrix. So this fits into that, where they run mind games on you. Yeah, they're soul hunters. I had a gentleman that reached out to me not too long ago. He heard me on another show and he actually, his father actually encountered these entities. He was a remote viewer. And so he called these entities his guides.

Starting point is 00:35:02 And he would lay down, this is nuts, dude, this is crazy. But he would lay down, his soul would leave his soul, the their. I. I their. I their their their their their th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I had thi. I had had thi. I had had thi. I had thi. I had thi. I had thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was the. So. thee. So, theeeeeeeeeeeeateeeeeeeeat theeeeateeeee. So. So. So. So. So, the. I had had the he would lay down, this is nuts dude, this is crazy. But he would lay down, his soul would leave his body, he would go into a room and he would see his guides and he would have what's called like a password, he would say, you know, what's the work? And if these entities were who he's supposed to be meeting, they would say this is the password, and he realized, okay, I'm where I should be. Well, one night his father started remote viewing, freaked out, came running into the living room, was inconsolable and had a heart attack because of what he experienced.

Starting point is 00:35:35 He said that he did exactly what he's always done. However, he said that the entities he encountered, did not know the password. And when they realized that he knew he shouldn't be there, he said they reversed their their their their their their their their their their their their their their started their their their their started. their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their started, their theirmed. Weauioued theirmed. Weauiouseweree. Weaui, threathea. Wea. Wea. threathe. their their their their f. their f. their f. their f. their f. their f. their their. their. their. their their their. their their their their their their their their threathea. threathea. threatha. threatha. threatha. threatheauiiiuiuiuiuiuiuiuiuiuiuiuiuiuiui. threats. their not know the password. And when they realized that he knew he shouldn't be there, he said they reversed their appearance and they changed into something what he called unearthly. But the most important part about this is that when he got back into his body, he had Egyptian hieroglyphs carved into his flesh. What? What? These are soul hunters.

Starting point is 00:36:06 They do not, they will kill with impunity. Ezekiel, yeah, they're ancient. Ezekiel 13 says, this is crazy too, that these entities will slip into the rooms of their victims at nighttime. Hello, serial killers. It will, it will place them place them in a sleep state. Then it will separate their soul, their interior soul, and kill them.

Starting point is 00:36:34 And kill them. And then take their bodies over. Right. Now, no, this is crazy too. In addition to that, they would cut pieces of flesh off of their victims, and they would sew it onto their own corpse. Oh, come on. Now, are there consequences for the people who had this done to them, or can they still go on to like a peaceful afterlife if they die this way? I think they're, they're imprisoned. That's, at least that's what's what's what's what's what the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the. the. the. the. the. People the. the. the. the. the. People who's the. People who's the. People who's the. People the. People the. People the. People the. People th. People th. People th. People th. People. People. People. People. People. People. People. People. People. People. People. People. People. People. People. People. People. People. People. People. People. People. People. People. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. People's the. People who's the. People who's the. People who's the. People who's the. People who's their. People who's their. People who's their their their their their their life if they die this way? I think they're they're imprisoned. That's at least that's what the text points to. We now, according to my research, I do not yet know if which souls in prison by these entities, right? Is it the actual body that's imprisoned? Or is it the actual person? So to make sense? Yeah. So what these entities would do, let me back up and say this, they're manifesting 100% serial killer pathology.

Starting point is 00:37:30 They would cut flesh off, take trophies from their victims, and then they would literally make what's called a social skin for themselves. It's possession. Sounds of the lambs. Put the lotion in the basket. It's a chain-town massacre. Like that. It also sounds like these, these South American, Central American tribes tribes tribes tribes tribes tribes tribes tribes tribes tribes, tribes, tribes, their th and thian the lambs put the lotion in the bat a chain town massacre like that it also sounds like these these South American Central American tribes you hear about who have the would wear like ears of the enemy combatants around their necks you know right human sacrifice yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I tell we saw a story this week about these like a purportedly 2,500 year old mummies that were discovered in Egypt and is there any risk to touching bodies like that age you know if you're you know you hear about like curses on Egyptian tombs

Starting point is 00:38:16 and stuff is that you wouldn't touch them no let's not just because the mummy is one of my favorite movies you know I mean there's there especially with Egyptian cur, so I personally wouldn't. Hey, but let's say I'm playing the wiki board and I get possessed, right? By like a serial killer, and I go and kill a couple people and I get caught up. And I go to jail. Do they stay in me while I'm in there? Because you sometimes see like those locked their their their their they still talk about being possessed and hearing things are they still in there or the demon just dip out because he can't kill no one in jail no one he's like I got to go do my job somewhere else. It depends on what that

Starting point is 00:38:53 entity wants. I had a murder case where it was a little girl she actually had a friend and she opened the door one night, let her friend in, the friend killed one member of the family and wounded others. But while she was stabbing, she was laughing and she had a male guttural voice coming out of her laughing. Oh my God. Crazy. When I got there, when I got there, I had already, I don't know how this happened guys, but I could already tell where the entity was. It was upstairs in a closet. And once I cleansed the home the home the home the home the home the home the home the home. the home. the home. It was like. the home. It was like. the home. the home. the home. It was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was, I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I, I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. t. I'm. I'm. t. t. I'm. t. t. t. t t t t t t t the t the the the the the the the tell where the entity was. It was upstairs in a closet. And once I cleansed the home, you could see the darkness. It was like somebody turned a light on. And you could see the darkness leave the house on the wall. It's just gone. But after I was there, about a month later, I was in a restaurant and I sat down next to this lady, I was at the bar. Not an actual bar, but you know, in a restaurant restaurant. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. thii. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the thi. thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. theea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. I was. toda. thea. I was thea. I was th. I was th this lady was at some I was at the bar not an actual bar but you know at a restaurant and she's asking me what I do because

Starting point is 00:39:47 I'm reading and I tell her and she goes okay she goes so so you did that case I said yeah because she had heard about the murder she goes well I heard about you I said impossible you know I know it's a small town but come on you know she goes no she goes I'm the social worker to both the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tho. I I I was I was I was tooooo. to. to. to. to. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the I'm the social worker to both of them because they're minors she said the night you cleanse the house is the night that the 13 year old daughter came to to me which is the social worker and said that I'm no longer being visited by that demon and damn Paul do you deal with that on On occasion. I do really? But I do have a question though. I wanted to find out about what your cleansing ritual looks like. I just go in there and usually I don't want to know anything.

Starting point is 00:40:37 So I work with angels. I have even before I got into the the paranormal field. So what I do is I go in there not knowing anything at all. Like I had no idea, I didn't even know the murder took place until they called me in there. But I go in there and my goal is to find the entity, get names. Sometimes I have apparitions and people ask me if I have attachments. I have four runners. There are times when I'll have an apparition come to me. And I. And I, like, like, like, like, like, like, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like thi thi, like thi, I thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, like thi, thi, like thi, like thi, like thi, like thi, like anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything, like thi, I'm thi, I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I'm thi, thi, thi, thi. I'm not thiiiiiii. I'm not thioliauiauia, I'm not thi, I thi, I don't I have attachments. I have forerunners. There are times when I'll have an apparition come to me and I'm not even on a case so I don't know where to put them. But once I get there, I'll have that information.

Starting point is 00:41:12 I will locate the entity, either it's in a room, by a name or whatever information I'll gather the family. It's not a seance, but it's kind th, th, in one room and I'll have my meters out and everything, but then I'll call that entity into the room. Usually it comes to me on my right side. The air will get thick, it'll get hot. With this particular case, the husband, the survivor, was doing this during this cleansing ritual. What I do is I have everybody bow bow their heads and I pray.

Starting point is 00:41:48 And I ask God, I say, you know what, I can't, because I can't do this. You know what I to say, you know what can you help me with this? And there are other things, if that doesn't work, we can do fumigants, we can do other rituals and stuff. But that's where I start. Great. How is you, what do you do, Paul? It depends on the situation in my field dealing with when clients come to me seeking healing. I use Reiki, which is universal healing energy. And there's a definite difference between sometimes somebody will come to me and they're like, you know, I just, I just feeling off.

Starting point is 00:42:26 And then as soon as my hands go on them, something, it's like you kick the hornet's nest, something comes out. And you never really know. You've got to remember that we're energy. That's all we are. Bundles of energy. I've talked about this last time, is that the Eastern philosophy really did a really good job of helping us identify our points of entry, right? Where our vulnerable spots are. And certainly it differs from person to person, and certainly from case to case, but when I'm going in into a home, most of the time I'll do like from the outside in. That's what I try to do. I try to clear from the outside in as I'm walking in. And what, do you have, do you say something? th?? th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. they, do they, do they, do they, do, do, do, do, they. they, they, they, they, they, they, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they. they. they. they. they. they. they. the. the. the. thea. th. th. th.ea.ea.ea.ea.e.e.e. th.e. th. they. th. their, their, their, try to do. I try to clear from the outside in as I'm walking in. And what do you have do you say something? Are you like? I'll go through I'll go to just four corners to the property There are stones that I use and usually I have it on me right now. I've got black turmoline. I never I never leave home without black turmoil the only I never leave home without black turmoils, so I was th, that, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I was that's thorough is the, I'm that, I'm that, I'm the, I'll the, I'll the, I'll the, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I is th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi, I thi, I thi. thi. that, that, thr-I's thr-I's thr-I'll throwneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerer's thateee there that is create a grid, it just helps to create a cleansing grid,

Starting point is 00:43:25 especially with something that is powerful, like Tiger's Eye, black, turmoil, and clear quartz. That's create a grid as I'm walking in. And when you get into the, when I get into the home, usually there's instructions, I usually have like a massage table with me, but what I'll do is I do, you said Fume against, I use sage first and then, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th, th, th, th, th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, then palisanto after. And there's, you need in that order, sage first, which helps cleanse, and paralyze whatever negative, whatever bad ju-ju, whatever that is in that house. It helps to create a protective bubble. I 100% use angelic presence as much as I possibly can because I, every...

Starting point is 00:44:02 It works. It works. I have the seal of the Archangel Michael tattoo to my arm. How often should you clean your house? I clean. It depends on what's good, how active it is. I live and work in the recovery arena, so I cleanse every day. But as if you get into that, it's also what gets into like a daily ritual. I have a daily ritual and a daily practice and when I'm working with people that are having disturbances in the house or they're having disturbances within them, having them creating a spiritual routine even if you're not religious is something that is very, very helpful. That's so interesting dude every like have you ever gone to a place got rid of a demon and and this is to you as well Nathan, have you ever gone to a place got rid of a demon?

Starting point is 00:44:45 And this is to you as well, Nathaniel. Have you ever gone in, got rid of a demon and then had to go back to the same place because another demon was there? Well, because a lot of it has to do with consent, if they're not willing to change whatever behavior that they're doing, exactly. It's then, it's then it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. the, the, the, the, the, they. the, the, they. they. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. th. to. th. th. the. the. th if you want, but if you're not willing to change that behavior, whatever you're doing that's inviting that darkness in, then come on now. Is there any way, is there any time that you've never got a demon out of there? It was set, set stone. I've been here since 18, fucking, 1800, I'm not leaving. Or is it they always leave?

Starting point is 00:45:21 There's always a way the way, is a way, the way, Well there's when, not necessarily a home but in terms of when I'm dealing with a client that deals with addiction and I had one I had one client who is a was actually he was a friend and he became a client and then six months later you know I get the news that he's passed. And that is because what whatever whatever that combination is between DNA, genetics, mental and psychological trauma, as a child, whatever grooming process that has been happening, happened for years, I'm speaking from experience, too. From experience, there was a moment when I said, you're done, get out.

Starting point is 00:46:06 And some people just can't let go of the darkness and it takes them. Exactly right. And it's sad because a lot of those people have callings, they have gifts that they're medicating and they're not manifesting. Oh my God, amen. How do you safely call upon angels? Is there a risk to that, you that, you that, you that, you that, you, you, that, that, that, that, that, thii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a. And, ta.a.a. And, tha. And, ta, ta, t a risk to that? You know, getting someone who's not an angel? How do you know when you're doing that? I've never, I've only worked with one angel and someone called him a warrior angel and he's, he's been around since my youth, man. I had a friend that died and I went to go, my dad's a pastor, so like about 10, 15 years ago we went to pray for him. And I just told him I said, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, I'm, I just feel th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi, I just thi, I thi, I just thi, I just thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've th. I've th. I've th, I've th. I've th. I've th. I've th. I've th. I've th. thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, thi. thi. thi. to thi. thiiiiii. thoooooooooooooooooooooooo, I've thi, we went to go pray for him. And I just told him, I said, you know, I just feel to tell you that my angel's coming,

Starting point is 00:46:47 and that he'll be with you. And this particular friend had sugar diabetes. And he was in the hospital because they took half of his leg off to help heal a sore. Oh. That night, he had a dream where he said this, this tall white man, he had a white linen gown on. He said, I couldn't see his face, he says, but I was, he came to me. He said, and he said, I was on a beach. And he said, I was on a beach. There was nothing but crystal clear water in front of me. And he said, I kept trying to look up to see his face, but for some reason he wasn't able to. He said, but he picked me up and told me, Derek, I'm going to take you to a better place. And then he began to take him into the crystal clear water. So I remember, to this day, I remember him calling my dad in and so we went to the hospital and met with him and he's crying and he's like you know pastor he goes I don't know what this means he's like I don't understand it and so we kind of just you know we know it and

Starting point is 00:47:50 thought about it for a little bit and then two weeks later he passed away so that angel did come to him this is crazy man so but but more or less man I mean what I'm trying to do in my research th. they. they. they. they. they. they. th. the the th. th. the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. thi. th. th. thi. thi. thi. I'm thi. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I don't thi. I thi. I thi. I th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I don't know th. I don't know, I don't thi. I don't thi. I don't th. I don, what I'm trying to do in my research is, I just want to know what they're doing. I want to know how they're mutating. They are an apocalyptic species of evil. We've never seen them in any movies. They're far darker than man's imagination. They're not even serial killers.

Starting point is 00:48:20 Like, these entities eclipse any known evil we've seen because they're not just evil, they're alien to us. Do you think that they are low, like, from a different dimension maybe? Whatever dimension they're operating in, it's death. Do they know they used to be human? Yes. And where they have, and they were evil when they were human, like, you know, that Rockefeller that just passed her, or John McCain, right? You know, it's like, doing scumbag

Starting point is 00:48:55 shit. Imagine getting possessed by John McCain. Oh, that'd be the worst with this little chicken wing dude. You know, and that, and that, because you know, the whole theory is that, you know, it's like, this is a realm, th.. th. th. know. And that. Because you know the whole theory is that you know it's like. This is a realm I believe and we are here to learn the what the universe has to learn what. God has for us. Whoever your God is. You believe that I have my own God and all that stuff. And, you know, and there are, there are. And like, some people think that where we live live is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is the the the the the the. the. the the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the whole. the whole. the whole. the whole. the whole. the whole. the. the whole. the whole. the whole. the whole. the whole. the whole. the whole. the whole. the whole. the whole. the whole. the whole. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the whole. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. you know and there are there are entities like some people think that where we live is the lowest level of heaven and the highest level of hell and there's just a battle between good and evil and these

Starting point is 00:49:37 low frequency demons are trying to pull us down pull us in and there's these people that kind of, they get lost in this realm. And they choose greed and pain, and they become psychopaths. Most of these politicians who've been bombing every country all over the world just for profits, right? These people sell their souls and This is probably what happens, man. They probably pass on and they don't want to go to hell

Starting point is 00:50:15 Right, so they want to somehow figure out a way to stay here and possess somebody it's it's a chilling phenomenon and I want to say this real quick because we were talking about the Nephalemite and I know I know. we've they've th th they th th th th they've th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the they've the they've they've they've they've the thi people they've they've they've the people the people the people the people their people their people they've they've they've they've they've they've they they they they they they they they they they they they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've been they've been the the the the the the the the the theat. theat. theat. theat. theateat. theeat. theeeat. their their their the their I want to say this real quick because we were talking about the Nephalem, I know we've been everywhere on the subject today, but there's a particular characteristic. Welcome to Timfoil Hat. Hey man, I love it, man. I'm here for it, Bob. But there's a reason that the Bible called these entities Zamzum specifically was the Amorites. They're the ones that called these entities Zamzumim. Zamzumim is not a concrete title. It's not a real name. What these people did is Zamzumim was the word that sounded the most like the language these creatures have in in the language they used to speak to each other in.

Starting point is 00:51:12 So that was their way. Zanzoumin sounds the closest to the language these species communicated. Now it's a buzzing sound. It's a frequency that we don't know yet, where it's undiscovered to us, but that's the way they communicate to each other. And so I will stress this to everyone. There are two different kinds of entities here. You have an entity that's transient in his possession. He's operating off of memory, right? He's going to have his own language preference. Some's Latin, some languages, some cases are, you know, Hebrew, whatever.

Starting point is 00:51:43 These serial killer entities have eclipsed that microcosm. They don't even speak like we do. And so it's that language that I want to know about because I guarantee you, when we go into hauntings, we're experiencing, we're already experiencing corpse pollution, right? Yeah. You just didn't know what it was. We smell it all the time. Look, they're operating in a new, a different dimension.

Starting point is 00:52:09 And so I guess my point is that I do believe that we are picking up frequencies that they're using to speak to each other in. We just don't know it. Isn't it interesting that we celebrate Halloween with haunted houses? And then you guys go into these real haunted houses and it's like it ain't a holiday it's not a you know it's it's kind of I stay in that day it's kind of interesting

Starting point is 00:52:36 because like if you take a look at St. Patty's Day right St. Patty's Day is really about a genocide. It's really about St. Patrick was sent to, you know, to rid Ireland of all these snakes. Well, Ireland is too cold for actual snakes, reptiles. With the snakes were the pagans who celebrated ancient knowledge. And the Vatican sent them in to take them out, dude. You know, it's so interesting how what we pick and choose to get angry about and what we kind of just turn into like holidays and Hallmark cards and stuff like that. Well, Monday's Columbus Day. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:53:17 Oh God. Some people love it. Some people freak the fuck out. I'm telling you. I'm like, get rid of the holiday. F that holiday. Let's celebrate Mickey Mantle or like Joe DiMaggio. Fuck. Screw my language, sir, but you know, screw Columbus, man. Screw Columbus. But it's interesting. I want to ask both you guys. A couple things. One, what are the different kinds of demons that are out there? You know, you mentioned there were two of them. One is this transient then one is the the different kinds of demons that are out there? You know, you mentioned there were two of them. One is this transient, then one is the above it. Are there a different kind of demon?

Starting point is 00:53:49 Different kind of demons out there. I just got possessed right there. Well, you're gonna ask me, I would say that there's two kinds. There's your entity that is your serial killer entity. Then are entitiesties thi thi the thi thi they thi thi they thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi their thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. thi, thus, thus, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, they. I, thi. they. they. they. thi. they. they. they. they. they. they. thi's two kinds. There's there's your entity that is your serial killer entity. Then there are entities that are evil but they're nowhere near that level of power. But you have what's called the debuque, the debuque in the 16th century. There are people who they didn't possess people from a level in reasons. They just possess people many times they would solve their own murders. So the demon, the demon, That's your that's your PhD serial killer. Now there are other entities that are also disincarnath, but they're not

Starting point is 00:54:30 demonic in that sense and that that would be my answer. I differed a little bit. I certainly I certainly do think that Nathaniel's explanation on a lot of it makes 100% sense, at least to me, but you know, in my experience that I very much believe that there is a higher intelligence of malevolence. An origin, a point of origin for these things. So certainly if you take someone who's like a Jeffrey Dahmer or that serial pathology, but there's something above that that's organizing, organizing. As we have like celestial presences, like angels, then there's something else out there on that other side that is not human.

Starting point is 00:55:15 Yeah. But, but, but, right, so, but it's, but like, that's the only real difference. I, it's, it's, I think that having more minds on the subject that's the only real difference. I it's it's I think that having more minds on this subject that crosses faith right like there's a lot that I that I've learned from Buddhism there's a lot that I've learned from Hinduism there's a lot that I've learned from First Nations I think that every walk of faith has something to offer when it comes to fighting evil. If they've got an army too what? So do we? We get an army too. Very interesting. Sometimes when you're walking down in LA, obviously, you see the homeless on Skid Road,

Starting point is 00:55:49 and they start talking themselves and they're moving a little weird. Are they fully possessed? Or is that just another type of, type of demonic possession? I have my own philosophy on that. I mean, certainly when you take the poorest of the poor that are dealing with the elements in such a chaotic and destructive way, right? How do you, like how do you wear somebody down? Like how can someone, they've got all these resources, they've got, why are they choosing to be homeless? Why are they choosing? Well, you know, it takes a little bit at a time. I know dudes that are on one, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, their, their, their, thi. thi, thi, thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, their, like, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, their. their. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, on one hand, they're just surfer guys, they live on the street, they

Starting point is 00:56:26 get like a monthly check and they're cool. And then you got like two tents down, somebody that is just riddled with catastrophic trauma speaking in other languages that are schizoaffective and that are just being eaten from the inside out. And it's really is it's really tragic and you can feel that darkness when you walk through that at least here in LA anyway. You know it's sticky it's like you got to go home and take a shower and get it all. Yeah. You know you ever heard of Dr. Jerry Marsinski. No no. He's a clinical psychologist and he works with people who are supposed to have mental issues.

Starting point is 00:57:09 And yet he works with a lot of people who they became mentally insane because of the drugs they were using. One of his cases, this is incredible. He had a man who was a business executive who had a successful job. He had a happy marriage, he had kids. He had good credit, was making good money, but he became addicted to cocaine. And when he would go on cocaine benches, he would land in the middle, a mental asylum, and he would be hearing voices. And so one day he decided to get clean.

Starting point is 00:57:41 So he went clean for like two months. And next thing you know he's back in the mental asylum and he's, you know, on cocaine again. And so Dr. Mazzinski said, you know, tell me exactly what happened to you. You know, he said, you know, you're doing really good. You would finally kind of resolve your marriage and got everything together again. What happened? And he said, well, he said, one night, he said, I was clean, I was watching TV, and I heard a voice telling me, get in your car and drive. So we got in his car and drove. Is that nighttime? He said, so Dr. Marsensky, I went to the light and the voice told me to turn right. This is incredible. This is how sick these entities are. He said, so this voice is telling me which direction to go. He said, finally in about 20 minutes later, he said, I'm in a, in the middle of cornfield.

Starting point is 00:58:35 And the voice tells me to bend down and pick up that black duffel bag. No way. What? He picks up the black duffel bag, opens it up. It's a kilo hour, there's cocaine. Jesus. So these entities are incredibly intelligent and they're sick. And then drug addiction, a substance abuse is a way they groom their victims. It's one way. If it's not that, it's suicide. It's self-murder. It's self-murder. It's self-murder. It's a their. It's their. It's their. It's their. It's their. It's. It's their. It's. It's. It's their. It's their. It's. their. their. their. their. their. their. It's cocaine. It's cocaine. It's cocaine. It's cocaine. It's cocaine. their. their. their. their. There. their. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. There. It's cocaine. It's cocaine. It's cocaine. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's one way. If it's not that, it's suicide. It's self-murder. It's, it's, so that's another aspect to this, but when you were talking about that, it absolutely brought to my mind, Jerry Marsinski. You know, it's very interesting because when you get into recovery it's all spirituality. Right?

Starting point is 00:59:27 Right. And it makes me laugh because the people who are not in recovery that make fun of recovery tend to be atheists which is very interesting. I know a couple people who are atheists who are always ripping on the program and it's just very interesting. But you know if we're going with the these demons are possessing people right the answer of spirituality whatever that may be and that's why like recovery so great because it's like whatever religion you want whatever spirituality what whatever God you need do that well you know I'm reminded of something that Dr. Martin Luther King said, he said that darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that.

Starting point is 01:00:10 Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that. And that is something that has been a part of my life for years. Another good friend of ours says, first one to love first wins. And that is, and if we had more of that, you want to like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to to to to to that, that, that, that, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, and if we had more of that you want to like look and see like people from all walks of life and all different types of faith and all kinds of economic and sociological background walk into a 12-step program right and and and and and and and and see the light come back into people's hearts and see yeah i mean that's that's one of the best ways to shut these things down. Exactly, exactly. They will step into every void within us.

Starting point is 01:00:54 So, every crevice, they'll possess it. I'm not sure if we discussed it already, but I want to ask the question, are there characteristics of somebody that is more prone to demonic possession? Are there signs that maybe something's going on or you're in a bad situation that you could, oh man, you could look for them maybe try to help yourself get out of that situation? That's the attachment stage. It's not an accident that these entities in Ezekiel 13 were taking flesh off their victims and attaching it to themselves. That's the attachment. That's the whole purpose of an attachment. Now to understand

Starting point is 01:01:42 that concept we have to go back to the earliest pictorial tradition of a dibick. The word dibic simply means to cling to. In the picture is an old man with a cane and on his back there's a skeleton with a black cloak. That entity is disincarnant and it's attached to that person. At that moment, that's what I call an exterior entity. It's in that grooming stage. I had a girl that came to me when I was at a restaurant, for some reason these people find me at a restaurant then. But I had a friend that knows what I do and so he brought this

Starting point is 01:02:18 girl to me and she just said you what, she goes, my best friend needs your help. And she said that her, she's, her best friend was living with her grandfather. And she said, but the house was haunted. And that one night, a demon chased this grandfather out into his front yard. The grandfather had a heart attack and die. She said, so my best friend is afraid to go back into the house. Naturally, right? Naturally. While I'm talking to her her her her her her her her her her her her her, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, she this this this this this this this, she thi, she th go back into the house, naturally, right? Naturally. While I'm talking to her, I see this black cloud just, just descend and nestled itself

Starting point is 01:02:54 on her back. The atmosphere changed. And I said, there is a girl here that does need help. And I said, but it's not your friend. I can help her, but I think there's more going on here than meets the eye. I said, I just watched an attachment of suicide rest on your shoulders.

Starting point is 01:03:16 When I said that, it was like a bomb went off. She began to shake, and she'd just be a ball. She'd put her head in her boyfriend's lap. And I'm looking at him, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I didn't thi thi thi, I didn't thi, I didn't think, I didn't think think think thi thi, I didn't think think think think, but there there there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's think, but think, but think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I didn't thi, I didn't thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin, I thin thinked thin thinked thin thinked thinked thin think began to ball. She put her head in her boyfriend's lap and just began to cry like a baby and I'm looking at him. I didn't expect that to happen, guys, obviously. I'm just thinking, okay, I'm going to help this girl out and try to get through these issues. When she gets back up, I said, you know hurting herself. Her hand was shaking. She held out her wrist. Put my finger on what's called the scarification of this attachment where about six months prior to that she had

Starting point is 01:03:54 slipped both of her wrists. Oh man. Now you ready? This is unbelievable. When I began to dig into this entity that was attached to her and I began to speak to its emotions in her, I began to give her consent back because that entity was laying on top of her like a garment and it's conforming itself, it's stepping into her skin, right? So, after we were done, I said, so who is this grandfather, this familial spirit? It was a grandfather. He killed himself in 2014. Oh my God. So watch what this entity did. It had silenced her into submission to a point where she didn't even know how to cry out for hell. Her grandpa was doing this?

Starting point is 01:04:46 Yes. It was an attachment. Now we're still in our, in the research, we're still trying to figure out if that was intentional on his part or if it was just the fact that he was attracted to her and was around her. I don't know. I do know that it was an attachment because it manifested in suicide. So, but what that entity was doing, this spirit, this grandfather was doing, is it was, it was silencing her into submission to the point where she didn't even know how to scream.

Starting point is 01:05:14 And so when she came to me, she was looking for help for a girl, yes, with the grandfather. Yes. Damn. That's how these entities work. Is that kind of so when you get sleep paralysis, is that one of demons on top of you? It could be. I have had a case of an incubus. It was an, I experienced it myself. Why not I was sleeping and in the dream, there was a shadow figure as a woman but she was

Starting point is 01:05:43 on top of me. Wasn't anything sexual. But it was but she was on top of me. It wasn't anything sexual, but it was she was almost like choking me. And so I knew it was a demonic attack. I knew it because I felt it. It's just there's a certain... Well, you're mentioning exactly how sleep paralysis feels. You're just there, can't scream, you're awake, you can't just kind of and so I'm like, it's kind of creepy because it happened kind of often, I'm wondering if I should sage the house.

Starting point is 01:06:05 Yeah, do you have, do you have the experience of an entity though? Because I get a lot too, and I've never had the entity experience text you. Do you, right? No, no, I don't, only Spanish and English is the only only languages that come out of my mouth. the the the them them them them them them things things things things things things. things. thoes thoes thoes tho tho tho tho tho the, because the, because tho tho tho tho tho tho the, because I tho tho tho tho that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that because I get because I' that, because I' that, because I because I because I because I because I because I tho, because I tho, because I tho, because I tho, because I tho, because I tho, because I tho, because tho, because tho, because tho, because I tho, because I tho, because I tho, because I tho, because I get tho, because I get thoananananan, because I get tho, because I get tho, because I get tho. tho. thoooooo, because I get tho, because Ithe day. Yeah, it's making you sleep. You're possessed, Johnny. Yeah. Damn, we've got to get staged. Do you have any examples of where it got kind of crazy, either one of you, Paul? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:39 I do. I'll let me go first. You know, before I really knew what I was like, the abilities that I was given, before I understood what clairvoyance or clear sentience, anything having to do with the more empathic abilities. I heard the word empathic abet. But I didn't understand what it was. I had an experience with in a church, I was involved with the youth group and this was a fundamental Christian church and a group of us were downstairs and all of a sudden one of the young girls

Starting point is 01:07:14 started flailing around and there was nobody else around but us. So that was what I come to understand very quickly is that she was going through, she was showing symptoms of demonic possession. And there was no adults there, so we had to handle it. Wow. And that was, and I didn't tell anybody for like a long time because I was like, you know, you're gonna think I'm crazy. And what would, what I come to understand now is that she had played her and her sister had played with the Weijaboard. There we go.

Starting point is 01:07:48 Did you feel extra strength? Because they always say they're like super strong and you can't hold them down. She was literally four feet tall and it took seven of us to hold her down. And, um, but one name worked. You should have Jesus. That worked. should have a Jesus that worked. And it's something that crosses. Every time I encounter it. You don't believe Jesus is a shapeshifter, right? We had that conversation? Honestly, I need to watch the episode Sammy so I can't speak to that.

Starting point is 01:08:19 I respect that. I respect that. But in the practice that I do now, understanding where these points of entry come in, if you're looking at energy points within the body, you know, the crown chakra, the third eye, and the throat, but especially the throat comes up a lot because that feeling of not being able to be heard, not being able to speak your truth, they want to be, you want, there's something that wants to choke that life out. Also the back of the throat, that back of the neck, how, like how we see the world is really the front view, how we think the world sees us is the back view of our energy points within our body. So what they're going to do? They're going they're going they're going they're going they're going they're going they're going they're going they're going to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come th. They're going to come to come their their their their their th. T. the. T. The the. T. Thea. Thea. Thea. their thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. theee. thee. theea. thee. thea. theea. the. the. the. the. the. they're going to do? They're going to come from behind and choke you out? Heart, the strongest source of unconditional love. So many people that have these experiences are throat, back the throat, problems with the back, and that kind of paralysis can't move. And that's, I mean, because if I was a psychopathic entity, that's how I would do it.

Starting point is 01:09:23 Exactly right. There's a guy out there, his name is Joseph Bin Shalom. He was a Kabbalistic rabbi, and he said that demoniacs are like a wind instrument to them. Because their wind entities, their air, that's their spirit. And so what they'll do is they'll possess and they'll use us to amplify themselves in terms of their voices. But I mean a lot of people ask me okay what's the craziest experience you've ever had? It hasn't been in cases. It's been in the Hone and house that I grew up in. There was one I was playing video and I just out of

Starting point is 01:09:59 the corner of my eye I saw something that was moving but actually behind a window and I'm looking over th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the th the th their th th their is th. th. th. th. thus th. thus thus tho thoes thoes thus thi the thoes thoes thoes thoes thoes thoes thoes thoes a thoes a thoes a thoes a thoes a tho they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll thus. thus. thus. the the thee theeeeeeeean. thean. thean. thean. thean. they'll they'll they'll I'm looking over, and there is this seven foot tall shadow figure that's just watching. It was in the wintertime. The next day, I went outside and in the snow I saw two footprints. But my window sill was like seven or eight feet. I would wake up and I would, I'm sorry. That's awesome. That's crazy, right? I mean, that's through my demonology out of the window, I mean, no pun intended out of the window.

Starting point is 01:10:31 But you know, I mean, how can they be physical like that? I mean, I had an entity that would walk on the wooden floor at night and displace its weight weight to the point you could hear it creaking all the way up to my to my to my to my to my to my to my to my to my to my to my to my to my to my to my to my to my the to my the the way hear it creaking all the way up to my door. So you know there's a lot to this this research but you know it's not good enough anymore to just say okay I download on an app of my phone and I'm a demonologist. These entities are playing by different rules because they're playing an entirely different game. There's an app for that? Johnny there's an app for everything. Is there really an app for that or is the their? their? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th? th this thi? this this this? this? this? this? this? this? this? this? this? this? this this? this this this this this this this this research? this research? this research? this research? this research this research this research? this research? this research? this research? this research? this research? this research? this research? this research? thi. thi. thi. thi. thi? thi? thi? thi? thi? thi? thi? thi? thi? the the the the the the the thi? the the the thi? thi? thi? thi. thi. toe. toe? toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to to this this this's an app for that? Johnny, there's an app for everything. Is there really an app for that?

Starting point is 01:11:08 Or was that just a figure of speech? Just, well, they download, it's apps that say, OK. It's like an EVP getter, basically. Yeah. Is it's a EVP also dangerous? Like, similar to Weezy? Not so much. Not so much. Not so much. Johnny it's an app where you and your demon can connect. You swipe right you swipe left with your demons right?

Starting point is 01:11:29 I'm a suck you best. Now did you real quick did you did both you guys grow up in a religious household? Was this in you early? Well okay. You know I'm a love addict when the only thing that gets me to church as a girl? So I was like 12 or 13? I went to start to to to to to to to you? I to you? I to you? I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their to to to switch. I to sw. I their their their their their. I their. I their. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. the. the. the. the. the. the. to. the. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. to. to. to. the. to. I'm. I a love addict when the only thing that gets me to church is a girl. So I was like 12 or 13, I went to start to go to my friend, my best friend's church, only because there was a girl there. So that's how I kind of discovered that, that's my first entrance into spirituality and Christianity was through that. So, it took, it took a while. In the beginning. But you didn't, now Nathaniel, did you grow up in a religious household?

Starting point is 01:12:15 Yes, yes I did. I grew up in Pentecostalism. So I was not allowed to wear shorts, I couldn't watch movies. It was strict. I mean, it was strict. I mean it was strict. That was one of the reasons why I just kind of abandoned it because I like a good cigar. And you like to wear shorts once in a while. Yeah, you know what I mean? Oh my god, right? I'm a Leviathan over here. What are you doing wearing shorts? I grew up in that kind of tradition, but I also grew out of it. But yeah, that's what, it was fun, but it really didn't add much to my research.

Starting point is 01:12:47 So do, are you a religious man? I mean, are you a man of the cloth? Are you, or you just like, I feel like you're like, the man in black, you two guys are the man in black of demons and stuff? And you know, it's, it's very interesting man and I believe all this stuff I think there's so much more to the world and people just don't realize it and they don't open themselves to it and you know and even when there is proof like something gets caught on camera they just dismiss it yeah

Starting point is 01:13:23 and I just think that we live in a very interesting realm. And there's a lot of battles for it right now. Battles for us, we're very special. People are very special. And we're told that we're not and we really are. We're very special. You see all those hunting shows. Do you think they just put those out to dismiss everything else? Because because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, they they they they they they they they they they they're, they're, they're, they're, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and th. And, and th. And, and th. And, and th. And, and thi, and thi, and thi, and th. And, and thi, and th. And, and th. And, and th. And, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi gets gets gets gets the gets the gets theate gets gets theat, theat, theat, the gets gets thi, thi, thi, thi, Do you think they just put those out to dismiss everything else?

Starting point is 01:13:45 Because sometimes they're like... You mean ghost hunting shows? Yeah, go's hunting shows? Yeah. Do you think they put those out to dismiss everybody else and just make it seem like it's goofy? Because sometimes you're watching you're like again? There might be ghosts out there, right? I mean like, there's a guy that gets possessed by old ladies all the times... But, but real. But, but real, but the the the the the the the by old ladies all the time. Oh, that's kind of worse. Like, like, just like, somebody's just knitting all the time. I'm possessed again. It's like, yeah, it's real. I mean, there are some shows that are real. Then again, I, there are people that are in it that don't even believe in this stuff. And what angers me, and what angers me, I, I, and there, and there, theirers their is, their is, their is, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th. There, th. There, th. There, the, the, th. There, th. There, th. There, th. There, th. There, th. There, th. There, th. There, th. There, th. There, th. There, th. There, th. There, th. There, th. There th. the th. th. th. th. th. the the th. the the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. t. te. te. tel. tel. tel. tel. tel. tel. tel. tel. tel. tel. tel. tel. tel. tel. tel. tel. tel. tel. tel. t me. Insanity, man. Great show, guys.

Starting point is 01:14:45 This has been great. Final thoughts, final thoughts. Paul, would you like to give any final thoughts? Yeah, take back your lives. Take back your lives. Take back. You know, living it, here's a thing. Fear is that, is the number one currency with entities like that.

Starting point is 01:15:03 They feed off it. And I can, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the th like that. They feed off it. And like I said, the second I reached my hand up and says, you know what, I can't pull myself up on my own, I need you to help me. That's when, that's when the game shifted and they shifted off of that. And I was able to learn about who I was, what what I was going through and learned a practice. That I never thought in a million years I'd be able to do, which is working with the the the the the th. th. the th. the th. the th. the the the the th. the the the the the the the th. the the the th. the second, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the second, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, like, their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, and learned a practice that I never thought in a million years I'd be able to do, which is working with Reiki and working with meditation and working on helping people. That's like that, I'm grateful that I fell into that. But first it took a small act of faith. And that's sometimes all the people need is that one act of faith. Nathaniel, final thoughts. Well, my that, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, to th, th, th, to to thi, thiel, final thought? Well my final fault brings to find what I was mentioning earlier about if you're called, if you are

Starting point is 01:15:52 called to a purpose, most of the people I know that are addicted to drugs or OD or even have some form of addiction in their life, they medicate a gift they're called to manifest. And at that moment that gift will grieve like a death. It will hurt. It will hurt you in ways you're not ready for. And so to those who are going to watch this podcast, invest in yourself, believe in drama, heal it, to get to find your moment and grow into it. So don't medicate what you're called to manifest. Manifest it and help other people. That's right. Grow into their own gift. That's wonderful. Guys, excellent show today. I loved it.

Starting point is 01:16:40 These are the shows that I think people need to hear. Because there's some darkness out there. That's right. And you got to fight back back it it it it... to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their moment. And grow. their moment. their moment. their moment. their moment. their moment. their moment. their moment. their moment. their moment. their their their their their the I think people need to hear because There's some darkness out there. That's right and you got to fight back And stop stop like yeah, stop drugs stop alcohol man. It's gonna it's gonna stop you from achieving your destination your your destiny Not destination, but your destiny not destination, but your destiny One more time. Can you please tell us about your wonderful book that's coming out and when it drops? It's supposed to drop the 14th of this month. It's the skin that crawls. And once I get it out, I'm dreaming of making it into a movie

Starting point is 01:17:21 because I want to introduce the world to the Malta. It's different, it's inhuman, it's formerly human, it's everything. It's fasting. But that's me. It's my book. He's Nathaniel Gillis. He came, he crushed. He is Paul Dionne Jr. He came, he crushed. Guys, great show. Thank you guys so much for joining us today. It's a wonderful show. I can talk about this all day. Guys, thank you so much for tuning in. I hope to see you on my live Zoom comedy show.

Starting point is 01:17:55 And in Cleveland on the 23rd. Thank you guys for all your kind words. And we love you, Swarm. And we'll see you on the next on the next on the next on the next on the next on the you on the next episode. Take care everybody.

Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #378: The Nephilim, Demonic Possession and Necromancers with Nathaniel Gillis and Paul Dionne Jr

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