Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #379: The Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict with Joseph Kazazian and Gabe Killian

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Starting point is 00:02:57 All right, guys, let's get into it. Super excited today to be discussing this. It's a hard topic. But I'm excited that we could get into it and hopefully we can open a couple of minds and bring awareness to something that I think is going to affect everybody. And you may not even know it, but this is a very important issue. So let's get into it joining me.

Starting point is 00:03:23 You've heard him on my other podcast, the Punch Drunk Sports. He's a good friend of mine for a very long time. Please welcome Gabe Killian. How are you, Gabe? Hey, buddy, thanks for doing this. Dude, thank you. And I'm very excited to have this gentleman on. He's a lawyer. And he is like he knows he knows.this stuff and I'm really excited he would even

Starting point is 00:03:45 spend a little time with us. Please welcome Joseph Kazazian. How are you brother? Pretty good man, pretty good. You did all right with the last name. I like it. I like it. Dude, thank you brother. Thank you. You guys have no clue how like I just worked on that forever. It just it's become a bigger thing that it needs to be and it's just I just like like like like like like th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to, like, like, to, to to, th. to to to to to to to to to to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to. to. to. to. to. the. the. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to's become a bigger thing that it needs to be and it's just I just like when I respect somebody, I'm like I gotta get the last name correct. It's just the weirdest thing. But thank you for coming on. Real quick, Joseph, can you tell our listeners a little bit about you and what you've been up to and how you've been, okay, first of all let me get into this real quick. Today, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to thi, to to to thi, thi, to to to to to to to to th. I to to to to to to to to to to to to to get to get to get the the the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. I th. I thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. I thi. I to to to to to to to to the. I to to to to to to to to to to to. Today we're going to discuss the situation with Armenia. They're possibly going to war with, what's the name of the country? It's a...

Starting point is 00:04:34 What's it? Azerbaijan? Oh, yeah, Azerbaijan. And all that stuff, and I'm very excited that both you guys are here to discuss it. Joseph, if you can tell our listeners a little bit about your credentials, who you are and what you've done, and then we'll get into it. Sure, man. I'm Joe Kazazian.

Starting point is 00:04:52 I'm a lawyer, I'm a writer, I'm an activist, community organizer. You know, I've been involved in Armenian community and its politics since I was 15 years old. These days I'm very much all over the scene. I'm wearing like 10 different hats to try to get, you know, our name out there because what's going on in the world, specifically what's going on in Armenia right now. So that's kind of what I've been working on these last few, I mean, these last 13 days at least. It is truly unbelievable.

Starting point is 00:05:25 You've been doing a lot of, you've been doing some deep dives into this subject, been working with some very important people. We won't get into all that, but you are, you have your finger on the pulse of what is going on over there and how important it is that we pay attention to the situation there. So a lot of people probably can't find any of these countries on the map if you ask them to, right? They can't find any of the countries and therefore they don't, they may not think it's important. But for me, this represents, to me, a movement by certain countries to, I think, get back their empire. I think we're seeing Turkey trying to make some power play moves right now involving Armenia

Starting point is 00:06:17 and trying to get back some of their power in the region. I know that the United States and Russia have been running a lot of stuff over there and Turkey's a very old empire and they probably don't enjoy that very much. That whole area, Mesopotamia, that whole area is just in chaos right now. If we could just talk about the history of these two countries with each other. Sure, I could jump into that. So, do you want to start from you mentioned, do you want to start from day one, do you want to start from when the conflict started and then get into the history? I'm fine with that as well. Sure, so I mean, I'll run by you, I'll give you the bullet points for the history because I think the current conflict is so relevant to that history. As you know, and maybe a lot of your viewers do or don't, I'm Armenian, we're Armenians,

Starting point is 00:07:06 and people in that neighborhood where Turkey is don't like us very much, but here's what they don't know, here's what they don't want to tell you, is that we've been living there for millennia, dude. We've been on that piece of land, which is, you know, known as Anatolia. It's also known as the Armenian Highland, like, you know, Noah's Ark landed there. You know, I think we were probably the first people to come off the boat and like, you know, pick our little corner of the land at the time and just say, you know, what,

Starting point is 00:07:37 we're here, this is our homeland. So, you know, around the 12th century, you know, from Central Asia, you know, people of Turkic origin start showing up. And since about the 12th century, all they wanted to do is scapegoat the Armenians and kill them. And so fast forward to today, in 2020, I mean, we're talking about a global pandemic where everything is shut down. You know, everybody's following whether Trump has COVID

Starting point is 00:08:05 and the fly on Mike Pence's fucking head. And, you know, I'm going to be candid with my language here because I think the audience is proper for it. You know, Azerbaijan decides to start a war against Armenia, supported by Turkey, and Azerbaijan itself is a Turkish Republic, right? So, like, they're like this, you know, this group of people who really didn't exist on a map until about 1918 until Joseph Stalin decided that, you know what? There's a bunch of guys sitting here on this side of the corner and they're all Turkish, so let's give them a nice little republic. So the Soviet Union basically carved out the Republic of Azerbaijan for them. And now they're trying to take or claim, th th th th, th, th, th, th, th, their, their, their, their, their their their their, their their their their their, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. This group, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. this group, this group, this group, thiiiii. this group, thiiii. thi. thi. thi. This group, th Republic of Azerbaijan for them. And now they're trying to take or claim historical rights to what is actually Armenian land, which is known as Atsa or Nagorno-Arabah, where the conflict is happening right now.

Starting point is 00:08:55 And it's been a shit show because everybody's been talking about something else, while my brothers and sisters back home are basically being bombed and killed whole scale. Like they're targeting civilian areas, they're targeting you know non-military assets, churches, and you know they're they don't want to relent. And as far as the global community and the media is concerned, nobody wants to talk about us or cover us because we're not the sexiest story in the headlines right now. So you know, it's my job and you know, guys like Gabe and a lot of people out there,

Starting point is 00:09:28 especially those of our union origin to basically tell our story because nobody else wants to. So that's kind of what we're dealing with right now. Yeah, and here's a whole thing. You know, I think there's a lot more involved with why people don't th this or why this information is being kind of suppressed. You know, we both, we both have, all three of us have family members that were affected by the Armenian genocide. Armenia is the first country to take Christianity as their national, their official national religion, in an area surrounded by Muslims. And, you know, again, I have zero problems with Muslims.

Starting point is 00:10:14 I don't groups. I don't judge groups. I judge individuals and stuff like that. But that has caused a great conflict in that area. And it's caused, you know, Turkey committed this genocide against the Armenians. And the only reason the US government recently recognized this genocide is out of pure hate for Trump.

Starting point is 00:10:39 So, I mean, that seems to be the only time the hatred of Trump actually paid off for us because they voted, he asked them not to, which is crazy. And they voted on it, and finally the US government recognized the Armenian genocide. The Turkish didn't want to do this. Now, the Turkish people, they're just like Americans, they're getting bombarded with propaganda, making Armenians look like these evil people, which is the same thing they do here, they do in Israel, they do, they just bombard these people with propaganda to get everybody to hate these people

Starting point is 00:11:14 that have done nothing to them, nothing at all. And now we're seeing what's going on here is a chess game, is a chess game between, let's face it, Turkey and Russia. They're having a chess game over power of that area. You know, they talk about like, they really want a war with, Turkey wants a war with Armenia because that will lessen Russia's grip on that area. And that's a big deal. And we're going to get into that a little later in the show. But I wanted to talk about on the 27th, what kicked this whole thing off on September 27th. What got the ball rolling that this conflict just exploded?

Starting point is 00:11:56 So prior to everything that was going on before September 27th, there were some hostilities in July, which again was kicked off by Azerbaijan. But you know, they love to blame the Armenians because it's such an easy thing to do like, we're all evil. And I'm sure you can see the horns coming out from the above. Yeah, I also think though, dude, that this has the all, all the, all the air marks of a proxy war. Like Joe mentioned earlier, they're using the same game plan they used in 1915 when the world was distracted by the war, and now the world is distracted by the pandemic here.

Starting point is 00:12:34 And that's a great point, man. That's a great point. This is exactly the exact same thing. And they're using it as an opportunity to slip in as everybody in America is focusing on racial injustice and this insane election. Nobody's eyes on the ball right now so they can go in there and just cause some chaos because nobody's really folks on. That's a great, great.

Starting point is 00:12:59 But I do believe this is a proxy war in between, you know, Turkey and Russia. I think Russia is, is, I for some reason that whole region has a real problem with Russia, which is interesting because they they're working with Iran. And Iran's going through their own shit too as well. Sure, no man, that's a great point that you raise. No, there's definitely hallmarks of a proxy war here. There's no denying that. And I think they wanted to become a proxy war. Turkey wants Azerbaijan to get involved so that Armenia has to defend itself on its own turf. Whereas Armenia historically has enjoyed close ties with Russia.

Starting point is 00:13:38 They also have a treaty with Russia saying that if the Armenian mainland is attacked, that Russia would thereafter get involved. Now, there have been attacks on Armenian mainland as early as yesterday. I mean, they shot down like seven drones, like Turkish drones flying over, the Armenian army did, flying over Armenia, right? So it definitely has that, but you know, there's a greater issue to this conflict outside of the proxy board,

Starting point is 00:14:02 which mind you, I don't want to disc to disc to disc to disc to disc to disc to disc to disc to disc to disc to disc to disc to disc to dis dis dis dis of the proxy board, which mind you, I don't want to, you know, discredit that at all. That's some spot-on analysis, but I think the bigger issue here is also the fact that, you know, this is yet another opportunity for Turkey, for Azerbaijan, to use what Gabe was talking about, the chaos in the world to basically sneak something in and, you know, like, sucker punch the Armenian people. Now, we're th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, we're th, we're th, we're th, we're th. th. thi, we're thi, we're thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi. thi. That's, thi. That's, th. That's, th. That's, th. That's, th. That's, th. That's, th. That's, th. That's, th. That's, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thin. theeeeea. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. theiiiiiiiiii. the thei. their theeeee sucker punch the Armenian people. Now we're not stupid. Back to what I was saying, they've been moving units from Turkey to Azerbaijan since July. The week before everything happened on September 27th, there was already a massive build-up on the Azeri-Artsakh and Azeri-Armenia border, which was obvious to everybody. The State Department issued travel warnings

Starting point is 00:14:49 to US citizens in Azerbaijan and in Armenia, knowing that something was imminent. So we weren't exactly caught off guard, because it's rare that something like that happens, but at the same time, the scale of literally shooting missiles into civilian areas, which is what Yazeries were doing, flying F-16s above Armenian territory, which is what the Turks were doing, is not something you can easily ignore.

Starting point is 00:15:16 So we caught wind of it when we did. We meaning the Armenian people, people inside the Republic of Armenia, people in the diaspora. We knew this was going to happen because the talk and the Republic of Armenia, people in the diaspora, we knew this was going to happen because the talk and the rhetoric had gotten so belligerent over the course of the last few months that now we weren't sitting there playing Monday morning quarterback as to what we should have done differently. We saw it coming.

Starting point is 00:15:40 But that's different because Turkey and Azerbaijan and in kahoots with the global media, who is you know, bought and paid for by so many big dollars, by lobby money, by oil money, by government and arms dealer money. The international banking cabal, I call it, dude. Well, if you want to call it that, that's fine. There's a lot of people who are making a lot of money right now at the expense of my people. There's no denying that and to be quite frank they're painting us as the aggressors right so we're like 3 million people there like just in that little region 10 million maybe worldwide on a good day we're 10 million if somebody decides they're Armenian or they're not, you know, there's a plus or minus there of a million probably. And, you

Starting point is 00:16:28 know, they're painting us as the aggressor. Like, three million people have nothing better to do. They're living peacefully on their own land, are going to go pick a fight with two tyrannes. Like, we got nothing better to do. Yeah. And that's, thiiiiiiii. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. their, their. their, their their their their thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. thi. th. th. thi. th. th. thi. their p. their p. their their their thi. th do. Yeah. And that's inherently the frustrating part. You know what I mean? And literally, I'm going up against guys, like the LA Times, I submitted an op-ed for them to publish. It was rejected within 20 minutes. Like, but you know, if the consul general of Azerbaijan and LA wants to send an article, it's like, man, we'll press that and we'll print that for you and they'll do it under the guise of neutrality. Dude, you're a journalist, you got one job, you got to report the truth, the truth, not neutrality, the truth. And that's what the biggest problem is right now.

Starting point is 00:17:12 Yeah, I want to now now they're fighting over that they're not, they're actually fighting over a country, right? And who, who controls that country. So that country, the country, the country, the country, the country, the country, to the country, to to their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. to to to too, thi. to to to to to to to to to too, too, to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be, to be to be to be their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. their. thi. the. the. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. toe. toe. to country was the name of that country. So that country, so to speak, is called Arzach, is what we Armenians call it, which has historically been Armenian land. It's been a part of the Armenian kingdom and Armenian republics. Up until about 1920, when Joseph Stalin decided to take a marker and just dry out this little portion and seated over to Azerbaijan. So for 70 years it was technically Azerbaijan, which is what they're claiming, right? Like, this is our land. It was yours for 70 years, dude. Like, I know people who are older than 70,

Starting point is 00:17:54 and you know, they've lived that entire lifespan. So in the grand scheme of things, that's a fart in the wind of how much control you had over that land land.... that land. Whereas Armenians have been there for centuries, like millennia, dude. And the goofy part is like, you're looking at this scenario where you know, they're claiming it's theirs. In reality, here's what happened. In 1988, the Soviet Union began to collapse. And just like every single republic decided to cede and declare their own independence, the people of Otsakh had a democratic referendum, which was, honestly, there was a 90% participation rate

Starting point is 00:18:29 and 90, genetically, I mean, they're mostly Armenians, right? Correct, correct. I mean, the population, we were, when we're talking about the population in 1988, it was overwhelmingly Armenian. We're talking like 85% of the population. So they decide that we're gonna vote to cede from Azerbaijan under Soviet law at the time, by the way, which makes it a legal referendum and join Armenia where we belong

Starting point is 00:18:57 because hey, we're Armenian, we're on Armenian land. This jackass named Joseph Stalin decided, you know what, you're no longer Armenian. So here you're now Azer. And you know, once you're talking about all these like separate, then they're, mind you in the Soviet Union or the post-Soviet Real, there's a lot of separatist movements, you know, you have the Chechens, the Dagestan is kind of known for this. Like, we've all been bullied by our neighbors, like specifically the Armenians have. And like, this is the newest iteration of that.

Starting point is 00:19:34 You know, so when you're talking about it on this global, like, you know, 300, or your 30,000 feet perspective, it's really become quite the shit show. And now, you know, not just what we're claiming, but what we're seeing is that these are the next steps to another Armenian genocide. And with someone who has the genetic memory that I do, that all of us do, you know, speaking here right now, you know, we all have descendants who survive the Armenian genocide. So we have that collective trauma to recognize that, dude, they're going to try and wipe us out. And that's what we're dealing with today. It's truly unbelievable what's going on. It's like this is what they do, these lizard people. They just keep using the same game plan over and over and over again, and they don't think we can see it.

Starting point is 00:20:25 And thanks to the internet and all that stuff, we get to see the game plan played out over and over and over again. What has been the US government's take on this whole thing? The US government has done jack shit. That's as plain and simply as I could put it. They haven't done anything. No statements, no nothing. All they're really doing is saying, you know, I guess Trump got up there and said something along the lines of, you know, we need to make sure everything is, you know, okay and we've got

Starting point is 00:20:58 a lot of friends in the region. Very generic statements, right. They're called, all sides are calling for restraints, which is the safe thing to do. But at the same time, like, you know, we see what's happening, the world sees what's happening, and it's being spun into a different creature altogether. And to be, I mean, to be quite frank, if it wasn't for guys like me, guys like you, guys like Gabe, we would pretty much not even be hearing about this. I mean, I'm the

Starting point is 00:21:25 one making a stink about it, but nobody else is, you know. It is, it is incredible. And this is somewhat a part of this new kind of thing that Trump is doing, that is isolationism, and he doesn't want to be involved in everything. Real quick, I want to take a moment to tell you about our good friends at my bookie. That's right. Between the NFL, college ball, a major league baseball playoff, there's no shortage of games to watch. And with thousands of lines available on all your favorite sports and events, you can turn your game into your game day into a play day with my bookie. If you're a type of guy that likes to back,

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Starting point is 00:23:14 So real quick, Turkey has got their fingerprints all over this, obviously. It is a belief of many that they are shipping terrorists to Azerbaijan to muck it up and cause more chaos just like they did in Syria, which is pretty, I mean, and guess who else did that? The United States as well, with ISIS being on payroll. Can you talk a little bit more about that? And what evidence is there that this is happening? Sure, so about two days before the conflict started, there was already reports coming out of reliable sources, like the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, showing images of people boarding planes in Turkey, I mean Syrian rebels slash terrorists boarding planes in Turkey, flying out to Azerbaijan.

Starting point is 00:24:09 And lovely, like, this tip this off, right? So fast forward a few more days, now we're talking about intense fighting, right? And there's videos emerging from the front lines of these guys who were fighting in Afrin, which is, you know, where the Turkish army has sent an expedition unit into Syria, and they're basically telling their brothers back home, this is not where you want to come and die for jihad. Like they're stacking us on top of each other. Because literally, we're trained in mountain warfare, Armenian people are mountainous

Starting point is 00:24:41 people, right? So we live in mountains, you know, we know the terrain, and they're sending these guys from the deserts up the mountains, like, you know, they're sending them to certain death. There's more reports coming from the Armenian government and from official Armenian government sources that there is conversations that are happening between leaders leaders within the Turkish government, leaders within the Zerri government, and these jihadists who are now being sent to basically kill Armenians, and you can hear the conversations and the

Starting point is 00:25:13 coordination that's happening. And this was all intercepted by the intelligence agencies in Armenia. So it's all at this point been released in public record. On top of that, you're seeing flight tracking radar that is showing flights going out from daily from Syria to, I'm sorry, from Turkey to Azerbaijan. And in addition to that, you're seeing videos from Syria of clerics and imams trying to recruit for the holy jihad that they're going to fight against the Armenian people. Now, you're talking about Obama and the creation of all these units.

Starting point is 00:25:50 In 2020, and even before that, if you go back to the Ukraine conflict, I mean, mercenary warfare is nothing that is new, but I think that what Turkey is trying to do is to eliminate their plausible deniability and waste their own soldiers on the battlefield and send these poor families and you know these guys who are being promised money to go defend oil fields to basically go off and die. Another report came out yesterday that basically documented a message that was sent from Azerbaijan to Syria of a man who was basically deceived and said that he was going to be paid between $1,000 and $2,000 a month. He hasn't gotten paid, he hasn't gotten food or water.

Starting point is 00:26:39 And he's trying to take care of his family thinking he's going to go guard some security coast somewhere, but he's actually being sent to the front line to die. And if he turns around and walks back, the Turkish side and the Azeri side is going to be the one that shoots him. So it's a precarious situation. In 2020, in a place like Syria where people are desperate for money, these, you know, multinational Turkish organizations are basically trying to entice people into going and fighting a war by lying to them and saying you're going to go have a security job. Well, everybody who's lived in Syria for the last 10 years is pretty familiar with how to defend

Starting point is 00:27:21 things because it's been all-out war, it's been chaos. And you want to talk about proxy war, that's another piece of evidence that directly points to a Turkish proxy war. And they're sending fighters from Libya as well, it's not just Syria. Yeah, it's just unbelievable, dude. And it just sucks because what they do is they just take poor people, have them go fight this war and have them die on the field. And like they got no skin in the game, these powerful, powerful people. And that's why I never get mad at civilians. I get mad at politicians that put these people in these situations to die.

Starting point is 00:28:04 And their kids never fight any of these wars. They never lose any family members to war. It's always poor middle class that ends up being weaponized and sent to die. And it just sucks, because it happens over and over again. And on our side, we got the President's son volunteering and fighting on the front line. So that's the difference, the president one. You know, like, it's a little bit different,

Starting point is 00:28:36 and Gabe brought up an excellent point. Like, literally, if you're Armenian dude, everybody right now, including the President's son, or the Prime Minister's son, is on the front line. You have members of opposition parties, we're basically, you know, very deeply involved in Armenian politics and at one point we're going at it, basically put all their differences aside and realize that, you know what, this is an existential threat right now. We are all in this together.

Starting point is 00:29:02 Armenia, Artsa, the diaspora. I mean, look, man, I'm here talking to you. Gave's here talking to you. We're involved in our own ways too. Like, we all have somebody on the front line. Like, I got three nephews on the front line right now, and I got plenty more family members that are, the lower class fights the war, and the richer getting richer. Like nobody in Armenia right now is winning by fighting this war. The only time the Armenian people will ever feel victorious is not just if this war ends, is that if these, like, you know, these hordes of people that they're sending against us, stop, you know, like, want peace, man. Armenians love peace, man.

Starting point is 00:29:45 How many Armenians, you know, just like, you know, I'll just be shooting the shit at the barbecue and be like, hey, man, what are you doing? Come over here, let's have some, you know what I mean? Let's have some, you know what I mean? wea to have a good time, we're to to to to to to to they, to, to, to, they, to, thranny, thr, thr, thr, thr, thr, thr, thr, thr, the, thr, the, I, I the, I the, I the, the, the, the, I mean, I mean, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they, they, they, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they, they, they, they, they, they, thr, thr, thr, they, they, they, thr, they, they, thr, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they,there for everybody. And now it's like when we need people to be there for us, it's like crickets are chirping. Like the sounds. Dude, it is deep. I mean, I'm just, I mean, there's some stuff when you get into conspiracies. You know, this is a conspiracy show and just like the

Starting point is 00:30:18 international banking couple, like, this has their fingerprints all over it. It's just all over it, man. I want to get into that in two seconds. I want to talk about outside influences on this in a minute, a little bit deeper. But I want to get into what we're seeing right now, happened in a genocide, which is the bombing of civilian targets. You know, I don't want to call them. But basically, the infrastructure, the infrastructure, the infrastructure, the infrastructure, the infrastructure, the infrastructure, the infrastructure, the infrastructure, the infrastructure, the infrastructure, the infrastructure, the infrastructure, to, the infrastructure, to, the infrastructure, the infrastructure, to, the infrastructure, the infrastructure, the infrastructure, to, the infrastructure of civilian targets. You know, I don't want to call it, but basically the infrastructure of Armenia is being bombed right now? They destroy historical churches, man, 200 plus years old. And we've been seeing that, man. There's been a, you know, I say that area is,

Starting point is 00:31:01 we got Mesopotamia all over it, and you see them destroying all these ancient relics of ancient knowledge done purposefully so we don't know how special we are and like that's what they do they're just hitting them. You know they're killing church, they're just destroying churches and it's just something interesting in America man where people are very passionate about something that happens here. But if it's the same thing happening somewhere else, they don't get involved with it at all, you know, and that's like everybody's losing their skulls right now about, you know, people can't go to church during COVID.

Starting point is 00:31:38 That's a giant thing. But for some reason, when they're just destroying, you know, Christian churches somewhere else, there seems to be a zero interest in stopping that, which I just don't get this. It's like, should be a golden rule for everywhere, not just like within certain borders and why people aren't more upset about that. I mean, if you're a Christian, you should be upset about Christian churches being destroyed by Muslims and just the other way around too. Like when the US is bombing the shit out of the Middle East and they're destroying all

Starting point is 00:32:13 these Muslim mosques, I'm not happy about that either, man. I think we should, I think we should defend people's right to be, to worship whatever religion they want without having the enemy destroying those places. Can you talk a little bit about that? So yeah, I mean, like I'm glad you brought all that up. Now, you know, I realize this is a conspiracy theory podcast. I personally am not a follower of conspiracy theories. However, I do support everybody's first amendment rights.

Starting point is 00:32:41 So I'm a lawyer first. So you can say whatever crazy shit you want, you're completely entitled to it because my constitution and your constitution says so. That's number one. Number two, I'm glad you brought up religion because that's another important first amendment right that we cherish as Americans. The right to, the right to the right not to worship and the right to keep government out of worship, right? So when you're looking at all of those things combined, if you want to talk about oppression in the strictest sense, look no further than what Turkey and Azerbaijan are doing to Armenia right now. They're attacking democratic ideals. Armenia is a democracy. Turkey and Azerbaijan are not.

Starting point is 00:33:21 Second of all, they're targeting Christian heritage sites, world heritage sites, and have zero regard for the importance of those monuments to history as a whole, even within their own religions, right? So Islam and Judaism for instance, right? Those are Abrahamic religions. And within the tenets of Islam, there are very important principles about respecting Christians, and in their most strict interpretations. Now that being said, what you're looking at right now is this dividing and conquer mentality that has nothing specifically to do about Muslims attacking Christians, but it has everything to do very specifically with this neo-Otomahman identity that Reggie Tijep-Taied Erdogan, the president of Turkey, is single-handedly perpetuating in the region,

Starting point is 00:34:11 whether it's in Libya, whether it's in Syria, whether it's in the on the Mediterranean coast, and the most recent episode is obviously what's happening to the Armenians right now. So there is a lot going on, right? So if you want to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to work to work to work to work to work to work to work to work to work to work to work to work the to work tieck tieck tieck tieck the the the the tieuant tieuant tieck the the the the tieck, tieck, tieck, tieck, tieck, tieck, tieck, tieck, tieck, tieck, tieck. tieck. tien, tien, tieck. tieck. tief. tief. tief. tief. tief. tief. tief. to do toe. tieu. tieu. tieu. tieu. tieu. tieu. tieu. tieu. tieu. tieu. tieu. tieu. tie, right? So if you want to talk about the real conspiracy and how it all works together and how it all ties in, you have the international banking community obviously monetizing this because there's arms sales. There's flights flying in from Turkey and Israel into Azerbaijan almost around the clock replenishing their military. Azerbaijan is a massive oil state. They are a petro-dictatorship.

Starting point is 00:34:51 They have the money to burn. These world powers are looking at that money, and that includes Russia, by the way, who was the biggest arms deal in Azerbaijan. That includes Israel, the second largest, the United States, which is the third largest, and the fourth largest, which is Israel. And Azerbaijan has spent $2 billion buying from Israel, and they are now attacking Armenian targets with Israeli drones. So when you're talking about this kind of conspiracy type of thing, you don't have to look

Starting point is 00:35:21 more further than the facts, right? It's where the money goes. You have all this oil money buying weapons. It's easier to basically take out all of these Armenians at once, sell these weapons because who the hell cares about an Armenian, like as far as they know, we have nothing to offer to the world. And who are the ones supporting the Armenians? It's other Armenians. Like, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi. is ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. and we're gonna get in where they can donate. Yeah, it's very interesting. I mean, the whole reason, you know, I mean, how long did it take for Israel? How long did it take for the, I mean, Israel has any, how long is it take for the US government to recognize the genocide? And then, you know, and Israel refuses to recognize it? And which Israel, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, their,, and Israel refuses to recognize it, which blows my mind, you know, I mean, I have my own personal beliefs on that. It's called Kazarian's, but that's a whole different topic, but why, I mean, you go far back, Kazarian's are Turkish, and that explains a lot,

Starting point is 00:36:20 man, why they never wanted to recognize that. I mean, it's the Roth child's, their involvement in everything right there. And, and, and, and that, and, and that, and, and, and that, and, and that, and that, and, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, that, that's, and that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, that's, ththey never wanted to recognize that. I mean, it's the Rothschilds, their involvement in everything right there. And just like how much money is being made right now? It's like unbelievable how like these arms dealers just, they just want chaos everywhere and they're getting it. They are just crinking up chaos in the world. And just to sell more arms. And it's just like the Lord of War, that Nicholas Cage movie, is like, with 100% right dead bullseye on what's going on right now in Armenia is just like getting these little countries to fight each other while everyone's just cash and checks. And it just sucks. It just sucks.

Starting point is 00:37:06 Because I wonder how much actual war would happen in the world if you didn't have this powerful military industrial complex, trying to get everybody to fight each other so they would buy their weapons. And it just sucks. It just sucks because the people selling the weapons will never actually feel any of the ramifications of the actual wars. They don't, they don't, they they they they they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they they they they they they they they because the people selling the weapons will never actually feel any of the ramifications of the actual wars. They don't participate in it. They just ship out arms and cash checks. And it just sucks, ma'am. And you know, Israel isn't just Jewish, man. Israel has like all three the major religions are like somewhat based out of that area. That's why Israel, the territory is very, the territory is very, the the the the the the the the the the the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. T, thi thi, thi, their their their thi, their thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's t. te is just just just just just just te is te is just just just teean. tean. tean. te an te an te is te. te. t are like somewhat based out of that area.

Starting point is 00:37:47 That's why Israel the territory is very, very important. Now, I think a big part of Israel is a land bridge that makes it easier for China and Africa to ship their goods to Europe. It's a very important place for geopolitics, right? But there is a large Armenian community in Israel. a very important place for geopolitics, right? But there is a large Armenian community in Israel. And they are not happy with what's going on right now. No, there's not an Armenian on any corner of the planet right now, unless they've been under Iraq, honestly.

Starting point is 00:38:18 And there's not a single Armenian right now who's happy. And you know what, I feel like I'm taking up a lot of time from Gabe, but I think Gabe should explain this better because I think Gabe has some, has some more personal things that he could share outside of the geopolitics, you know, to put the human touch on it. So please, Gabe. In regards to what? In regards to just the situation going on. Do you have any thoughts on, you know,

Starting point is 00:38:45 Israel selling weapons, any thoughts on that? I mean, I pretty much agree with everything you guys are saying. They're making the countries go to war pretty much. Yeah, and it's just unbelievable. And you know, giant population in Israel is Armenian. And I mean, we just saw like, just stuff where, you know, Armenian, you know the giant population in Israel is Armenian and I mean we just saw like just stuff where they you know Armenians getting shot in Armenian churches in Israel during the Palestinian Israeli conflict and it just sucks and it just it's very hard to to to just sit back and watch this. Yeah man I I started catching up on the whole thing like

Starting point is 00:39:28 day three or four of the war because I'm personally I'm personally I'm ashamed to say I didn't even know what Arts off was like I'm just starting to learn about all of that. And I'm learning as I go, like I'm learning more historical facts every day. I'm like, and yeah, man. And as every day goes on, I get more angry, more tense. It just keeps building up. Yeah. Roger Bajan has in fact banned reporters from actually covering this, right?

Starting point is 00:40:08 Yep. Yep, so there's basically been a media blackout in Azerbaijan. It's really funny because I have one of those IPerri news and dude it is bizarre land out there like I'm watching like my brothers and sisters die on Armenian TV whereas these guys are showing like they're their Chevy and their Ford and their Nestle commercials like these massive conglomerates that are out there pushing their products you know there's like little things that are going on on Twitter that you know have been basically their propagandathings that are going on on Twitter that, you know, have been basically their propaganda showing Armenian tanks being blown up and, you know, Armenian people being

Starting point is 00:40:50 targeted, which is, you know, rallying their population. But there was a, so France TV, which is the French or the French press, um, had a reporter out there and the reporter on the English Channel broadcast, which I think was on France 24, basically openly said that we have government minders around us at all times. Armenia has free press man. Like literally the things I could get away with publishing in Armenia I wouldn't be able to get away with in the United States. That's how free the press is right now. When you want to talk about press freedom as a whole, Azerbaijan and Turkey are near the bottom of the barrel. I think Azerbaijan ranks 168 in the world for press freedom. And, you know, going back to like the grand scheme of things,

Starting point is 00:41:37 you know, information control and manipulation is a huge aspect of this war as we're speaking today. As it is in all wars, I can't strictly put it on this war, but because we're a part of the information war as well, you know, whether it's on social media, on, you know, on YouTube, on your show, you know, to be able to expand the reach of the average person who was basically told to follow the government line is essential work, right? So they are living in, I mean, I feel bad for the people of Azerbaijan. They paint me like I'm some sort of dog, like I'm something less than human. I don't think Ozervajani's are less human than I am. I think they have been so corrupted by their own

Starting point is 00:42:27 and so taught to believe that everything wrong in their country is because of some Armenian dude in Glendale, aka me, exhibit A, ruining their laughs for them because we're somehow a part of this global conspiracy to control things. Dude, I don't control shit. Like, I'm sitting in my, you know, in my office in Glendale, you know, just doing my work and my network of people are others like me, who are not too different from people like Gabe and me and you, we're just doing everything that they can, because we're alone.

Starting point is 00:43:02 You know, like, we don't, we don't got Russia on our side, we don't got the US on our side. And you know, the biggest thing right now, I mean, we were talking about it earlier about donations, like we are basically funding the humanitarian effort and the war effort in Armenia right now, through the coffers of practically everybody. Like there's people in Armenia who have nothing to contribute, who are contributing to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thus thus thus thus on thus on thus on thus on thus on thus on thus on thus on thus on thus on thus on thus. thus. thus. thus on thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus on thus on thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus. thus thus. thus. thus. thus. thus. thus. thus. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi people in Armenia who have nothing to contribute who are contributing to the war effort with whatever limited amount of money that they have. You have guys like me who, you know, I was fortunate enough to have the contacts that I do, fundraising around the clock, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:43:38 So we are basically making sure our nation stays afloat and isn't completely wiped off the world. Whereas these guys in Azerbaijan, bathing in oil money, have all to spend and nothing to lose at this point because they're not even sending their old soldiers half the time. They're sending mercenaries from Syria and from Libya. Yeah. So it's a really pathetic thing. And, you know, I mean, to speak on the human side of it, and I, I, I, I, to, to, to, the, the, to, the, thia, to, the, thia, to, thia, thia, thi, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they, they, thi, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin.... thin. thin. thin. tha, thateea. Weauuuuuuuuua, thauan, thauan, that, that, that, they. thauuu. to speak on the human side of it and I think Gabe would want to speak on this too you know it affects each one of us tremendously like I have family there I mean Gabe I mean please chime in man like you've got

Starting point is 00:44:13 you've got some stories too. Yeah man I just lost I just lost the 20 year old cousin out there you got hit with a shrapnel it was good with. I just want to touch on what Joe was saying about about about how much money they're spending on all that stuff. They spent a fortune on troll accounts to to spam social media and all that stuff. Like they don't allow their own citizens, social media access, but they're getting like a million troll accounts to make comments on whenever a celebrity says something positive. What is this Cardi B. stuff going on? Like, she's out there like, I didn't mean like do a pro-Armenian organization.

Starting point is 00:45:00 I'm like, what do you mean? Like, what do you care? I just, it's unbelievable to me. Because they go to, like, they go to, like, the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, like, like, like, the, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, their, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a celebrity, a celebrity, a celebrity, a celebrity, a celebrity, a celebrity, a celebrity, a celebrity, a celebrity, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their,'m like, what? What do you mean? Like, what do you care? I just, it's unbelievable to me. Because they go to like whatever company she has products with and they leave negative reviews for products and stuff like that. And it starts to hurt their money. They're like, oh, shit. So they retract whatever the statement they make. But it's not like real. As there's, their troll accounts and like Facebook took it like thousands of them down yesterday. Yeah, 100% yeah 100% dude. There's so much astroturfing going on on the internet right now. Just powerful people buying fake. Do you guys remember a long time ago a scandal that

Starting point is 00:45:42 happened at a website called Ashley Madison? So basically there was this website where people want to, you know, step outside of their relationship, they could meet somebody on here. What they found out was like, there was like 750,000 men on there, like 20,000 chicks, and most of the accounts on there that were women were actually abandoned accounts. And what happens is they take these abandoned accounts and they just reactivate them and take them over. And that's what we're seeing happening on Twitter right now.

Starting point is 00:46:17 There's people leaving Twitter in droves and they're just taking these accounts, taking them over and just using them to create astroturfing and fights with, I can't tell you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you tel you tel you tel you tel you tel you tel you tel you tel you tel you tel you tel you tel you tel you tel you tel you tel you tel you tel you tha, tha, th accounts, taking them over, and just using them to create astroturfing and fights with it. I can't tell you how many people I get trolled with on Twitter and you go to their account and either they're a brand new account that was started like two days ago, or they're like account started in 2009, and they have 10 followers. I'm like, how do you even do that on a social media platform that is meant to meet people? Like it's purposely designed for you to make contacts with people and in 12 years you've

Starting point is 00:46:51 made contact with 12 people. It just doesn't make sense because that's how they're not, that is the new mainstream media. That is how they change your mind is through these blue check marks and all that stuff or just pounding you with negative negative tweets. Now, there's been a bunch of marches going on in Los Angeles, you know, we had to save the children marks, but there's been some amazing Armenian marches going on in Hollywood, shutting down the 101. That was a big thing that I saw happening. I just have twins. I just can't, I would love

Starting point is 00:47:29 to go out there and just muck it up. But my twins have just been super needy lately, so I've had to do the best that I can. But I saw that you guys were outside of CNN and yet we see no story of this on CNN. Nobody's talking about it. And it's just like to me, if there's anything that comes out of this, is like hopefully this is just another reminder of the people that the mainstream media is not there to inform you, but it's more there to control you.

Starting point is 00:48:00 And if they don't want a story out that doesn't fit their narrative or doesn't fit their psychological operations, they aren't going to report on it. And again, you have Israel selling arms. That's like anything that involves Israel that could be in the negative content. It's very hard to get any stories out in the mainstream media. And it just sucks. It just sucks, it just sucks that this story is being buried

Starting point is 00:48:28 because I think it's very important to just the world because if Armenia falls, man, that means Turkey gets more power, more land, and has more influence in the area. And I just think we're gonna start seeing us some of these old empires trying to get back their power and their magic. And like Turkey, man, people I don't think realize how big Turkey was for a very long time. And for them to not be the empire that they used to be, I'm sure that doesn't sit well with a lot of people over there. And they would love to have that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind the power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power power that that that that that that that th, th, over there and they would love to have that kind of power position in the world.

Starting point is 00:49:10 And that's why you see them bombing Syria and get involved in the Syrian conflict. And that's why you see them doing a proxy war with Armenia right now. And that's my opinion, man, they want to seat back at the big table. And they're not, they want to seat back at the big table and they're not you nailed it. I mean, Erdogan has no friends and he doesn't care anymore, right? So if you're an ethnic minority living in Turkey right now, you know exactly what I'm talking about. If you're an ethnic minority who has been within the sphere of control of the Ottoman Empire for a certain window of time, you know what I'm talking about. The Greeks know what I'm talking about. The Kurds know what I'm talking about.

Starting point is 00:49:48 You know, Arab majority populations know what I'm talking about. Turkey wants what it once had. Turkey was once the sick man of Europe and as it was going down, it started an Armenian genocide and killed 1.5 million of us. Turkey right now, th th th th tha tha the tha their tha their tha tha their tha tha tha tha tha thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thoe thoes, thoes, thoes, thoes, their, thoes, tho, tho, the tho, the tho, the the the the the the the the the the the the thoes, thoes, thoes, thoes, thoes, th. I I I I I, th. I is is is is is th. I I is th. I is the thoes, thoes, thoes, thoes, thoes, thoes, thoes, thoes, theeea. Ia. I'm tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooes, toda. I'm Turkey right now is trying to expand its reach but Turkey has a lot, a lot, a lot of internal problems. They have a faltering economy. They have all kinds of discord with their neighbors. Nobody takes them seriously and they want to be seen on the world seen as dominant. So when you have discord on the outside

Starting point is 00:50:25 and discord on the inside, that's when things start becoming problematic. So who do you blame for this? Well, guess what? We have our old fifth column, the Armenians, let's make it easier, right? You know, you have the Greeks who, you know, they're still in the land dispute over Cyprus.

Starting point is 00:50:41 You know, Turkey de facto controls northern Cyprus, but in reality, it's still belongs to the Republic of Cyprus, right? And thank God for our Greek brothers and sisters and our Cypriot brothers and sisters, and those who are in Syria who are not fighting on the Turkish side, who know what we're talking about. You know, even the Kurds, like, people in northern Iraq know what I'm talking about because Turkey is bad news, plain and simple. And it's time for the US to start realizing that, too, because this is our fucking NATO ally that we're talking about. My tax dollars are paying

Starting point is 00:51:18 for the second largest standing armed forces in NATO. We're talking about 800,000 troops that if they really wanted to, could could could could could could could could could could could, to wake, to wake, to their, their, to, their, to, their, to, to, to, to, their, to, their, their, to their, their, their, their, their, their, to to to their, today, today, today, today, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, to to to the. theu. Turkey, theu. Turkey theuiii. Turkey, theui. Turkey, thea, theui. Turkey, theui. Turkey, theui. Turkey, theui. Turkey, ting about 800,000 troops that if they really wanted to, could wake up and take over Armenia tomorrow, they could just walk right in and we couldn't do anything about it. And the only reason why they're doing what they're doing now is not just to expand and show force, it's to taunt the minorities within their own country. It's taunt minority, Armenians in Turkey, the stintk the Kurds, you know, the Greeks, the Jews. It's to taunt everybody and remind them that, hey, we're those old assholes from back in the day that still can do whatever the hell we want to do and there's Jack shit you can do about it. But luckily for us, with Armenians, man, we don't go down easy. We're gonna go down swinging. And we're not, I mean, I don't think any of us are planning on going down too.

Starting point is 00:52:06 I mean, every last one of us is in this fight because this is a fight for our existence. For Turkey, this is just flex. It's just so interesting how like the world doesn't want, you know, the United States, it's just a weird thing, man. We took on the policing the world thing, you know, we got bases all over the place. And now the last three years, you know, we have a president that doesn't want to engage any new wars, you know. But like that's what we do.

Starting point is 00:52:36 That's kind of what we do. There's a reason why we spend so much money on our military. But because we've shown that we have zero interest in stopping it, this is going to cause Turkey to be a lot more blazing. And because they're not going to worry about whether it's going to be ramifications from a Western power. And look, there's something I got to mention here, and you know, just for full disclosure, I've never been a big fan of President Trump. I've been a fan of US isolationism in certain ways. In certain, like, I don't believe in getting involved in bullshit wars. I don't think anybody does, right? But there's some one thing that everybody needs to realize. And look, whether you support Trump or you're against Trump,

Starting point is 00:53:13 it doesn't matter to me. But there's some massive, which you know he was bragging about, he's bragged about a lot, fantastic hotel and all that and stuff. The best, they are the best Turkish hotels out there ever. Exactly. Man, that was spot on. And then you have, he's got an interest in Bobku. You have guys who were caught up in the whole, you know, with the collusion, you know, accusations. Like guys like, Emin Aguilara, yeah, Emin Aguilara, the brother, or I'm sorry, the son-in-law of the current president of Azerbaijan.

Starting point is 00:53:54 So everybody's in cahoots of one another. You have all these wealthy, wealthy, wealthy people just playing fuck with one another over another over little things like Armenia. So when you're talking about, oh, Osama' John Laws, you know, like, harass a bunch of Armenians and like send its army off to war, they're not going to say anything because they got their own interests out there. Yeah, we have seen that. I mean, that's a giant problem in the United States right now, that people are taking dollars over dollars. tholers. that. tholers. that. thol and thii and people. that people. thi and thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to to to to to to to to to to to people are taking dollars over people. You know, it's like we have politicians that just care more about their bank accounts than humanity. Absolutely.

Starting point is 00:54:32 It's just like, and the military industrial complex doesn't give shit about anybody. They just only care about their bottom line. I mean, that has a lot to do. I mean, like I don't want to get too much in the stuff, but the, the EU, the the the EU, the EU, the EU, the EU, the EU, the EU, the EU, the EU, the EU, the EU, the EU, the EU, the EU, the EU, the EU, the EU, the EU, the EU, the EU, the EU do. I mean, like, I don't want to get too much into stuff, but the EU, the EO, that executive order that Trump did about banning BD, boycott divest sanction out of from colleges has a lot to do with the military industrial complex. It has to do with the fact that, you know, every college has a board of trustees and they take all the profits after all the expenditures have been paid off all the bills. They take that money and they put into a trust and that trust gets invested in hedge funds that are ran by the military industrial complex. That is why they don't want to pay student athletes,

Starting point is 00:55:26 because they want to keep all that money into the war chest. So that's why that happened. And you see, I forget what the college is, but right now there's a college that is like they want to do, you know, boycott, divest, sanction, BDS. And the guy who runs the college won't make any comments on it because it's all about that war money, dog. And that's what's going on right here. And they don't want that to be involved with Israel because Israel makes a lot of weapons.

Starting point is 00:55:54 And what we're seeing right now is that Israel is selling, as you said earlier, these drones that are doing a lot of damage right now. So about two years ago, this was uncovered by the Israeli government itself, that the manufacturer of this particular type of drone, which is known as a chemozy drone, was actually flown by the operator, by the designer itself, the contractor who was there selling it to Azerbaijan, the contractor flew it into an Armenian base. Literally, the company that manufactured the drone did a live fire on Armenian soldiers. Israel revoked this company's license for 18 months, launched an investigation.

Starting point is 00:56:40 The investigation was closed and now that same operator is doing the same exact thing. This time they've trained the Azareseis to do it and guess what? These things are deadly. They are literally flying bombs, flying guided bombs that are launched from the ground, remote control and they take out, they're essentially designed to take out tiny infrastructure. We're not talking about armor, right? We're talking about school buses. We're talking about, you know, soft troop carriers, not armored troop carriers. Like literally, these are designed to explode and cause havoc. And a lot of the footage we're seeing

Starting point is 00:57:16 coming out of the war, especially the one that the Azeri propaganda machine is pushing are how these drones operate. You have Turkey who is now arming the Azeri army in addition to flying their own drones, in addition to flying their own F-16s and shooting down Armenian Air Force jets. By the way, Armenia's Air Force is pretty much what's left over from the Soviet Air Force. Like it's the shittiest thing you've ever seen. And the second we get a plane up, you have these high-tech F-16s that are sitting 3,400 miles away that are just pinpointing, like just pressing a button on the screen and wiping out whatever's left of an, whatever semblance of an Air Force that Armenian has.

Starting point is 00:57:58 So it's become disgusting. And you're talking about the military industrial complex, you know, Eisenhower warned all of us about this. Yeah, for sure. And it's what blows the mind, what blows the mind is how the military industrial complex and these major companies are not stepping up on the human front and calling for attention where you're targeting essentially civilian targets. The entire city of Stepan Agert, which is in Artafath, which is where the fighting is happening, doesn't have a single military base. It is literally the civilian capital of Arzakh and it's basically being bombed night and day with illegal cluster munitions that came

Starting point is 00:58:40 from Israel. It's been proven, it's been submitted to the European Court of Human Rights, there's all kinds of violations of the Rome Statute, and we're talking about cluster munitions, like they've been bombed for so long right now that every standing army in the world knows not to use it. And whatever is being used right now is being used on Armenian targets'm sorry, on Armenian targets and it's being used by the Azeri Armed Forces. And there's video evidence of this and still nothing. You have the mainstream media in cahoots with all of these organizations who Turkey and Azerbaijan paid millions of dollars to. If you do a Farah, if you go on Farah. Gov, which is you know, look, foreign agent registry act, you can see how much money is actually going into these big Washington lobbying firms, these big law firms that are basically

Starting point is 00:59:30 controlling the narrative. Those are run by very powerful people. Those are run by ex-speakers of the house. And again, on the Armenian side, you got a guy like me who minimal experience in that field, trying to counter that, trying to raise awareness in any way I can. So, we are the David against the Goliath, and the Goliath happens to be like this five-headed monster, which is Turkey and Azerbaijan, supported by their supreme allies, which include the United States and Russia and Israel, And you also have, you know, massive, massive ignorance because of, I guess, the brainwashing that's being done all over the place.

Starting point is 01:00:11 You know what I mean? So it's incredibly increasingly difficult. Yeah, I just, the things that we get worked up about, and the things that we ignore just blow my mind. I just don't understand it. I, you know, it's just like there's so much pain suffering that we just allow to happen because people can make money off it. And then there's just these things that seem very little that we lose our skulls over. And it's almost like the media just has this kind of brainwashing over us to tell us when to get upset and when not to get upset. And it just the just the just the just the just the just th th th th th th th th th th just th just th th just th just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just th th th th th th th th th th th th th is just th is just th is just thi thi's just th. It's just th. It's just th. It's just thi's just thi's just thi's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's the the the the the the the the the they. It's they. It's the they. It's they. It's th. It's th. It's th. th. It's just th. It's just just thi. It's just thi. It's just thi the. the. the. thi thi the. the. thi upset. And it just makes me upset. We got the, you know, what are they called the Uggars in China, they're in camps right now. Nobody's talking about that. And it just sucks.

Starting point is 01:00:54 I mentioned this. I'm going to interrupt this real quick. The Uyghurs in China are actually, you know, they're the Turks. And it breaks. T they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're. they're they're they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're they're. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. I they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're te. too. too. too. too. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're Turks. And it breaks my heart that that is happening, even though if you think about it, like I should be hit me, like you would think at least in this conventional or in this unconventional way even that, oh look, like all these Turks are dying, like, you know, I should be getting happy. No, I'm not happy. Human rights are human rights or human rights. 100%, that. every one hundred percent dude and 100 percent yeah good yeah go ahead I finish all I'll I after you finish I mean all I'm gonna say is dude most of

Starting point is 01:01:31 the work that I do as a lawyer I mean even even in in the context of what I do is most of human rights work I mean I I defend criminals yes but I mean for me it's like I'm making sure the Constitution is enforced, and at least in an American context, the Constitution, our Bill of Rights is human rights. That's how I look at it anyway, and so do a lot of others. But there's also human rights defenders

Starting point is 01:01:56 who are working around the clock in Armenia to document these crimes and submit them to the proper avenues, right? So you have like places like the European courts and, you know, courts of varying jurisdictions around the world where you will raise your claims as a lawyer, right? But when you're talking about on the mainstream media, like, there's absolutely no coverage of it, which is absolutely devastating. And on top of that, you know, I feel like even if I was the last Armenian on earth and I'd raised every single flag and once I'd died off and gone into a museum as the

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Starting point is 01:03:11 And that's kind of like what makes me super sad that it took this like, and they're tweeting about it. So God bless them, but it took this like this, like, this crazy family, anyone to even know about Armenians. And it just blows my mind. And you know what the thing is, you have, and this is something that every Armenian has realized over the course of the past couple weeks. We're kind of on our own here. At this point, we've stopped really, or we stopped really relying on anybody in ourselves. And, you know, there will be those who will join our fight, who will join our cause, who will join our struggle,

Starting point is 01:03:49 that we welcome. You know what I mean? I am not afraid to say it. I'm a big BLM supporter. I have been for a long time. But that being said, when I'm rallying around causes that are important and more mainstream these days, you know, I tend to get a lot of attention from supporters of that cause. But now when I'm here rallying around my own flag, you know, I've kind of been left alone.

Starting point is 01:04:14 And you know, it's a terrible feeling because if we're really talking about human rights, like I don't think a, you know, an African American or any other race for that matter should be treated differently under the law. I mean, we have equal protection under the laws. That's kind of what makes us unique. And when you're talking about the enforcement of that is where a lot of the conflict lines are these days, right? But as a lawyer, you know, as someone who's a human rights activist, first and foremost, I do realize how important it is to have this global movement, which I am not seeing because who the fuck really knows when an Armenian is until we make some noise

Starting point is 01:04:50 about it and we make us think about it. And you know what, I'm glad I'm here. I'm glad I got my brothers and sisters in the current Kardashian family, you know, I'm glad I got, you know, celebrities like Michael B. Jordan like the other day was tweeted about us, which was great. I don't saw that. Fantastic actor, you know. And I'm a big, I'm a big fan of the Rocky series too, so I'm very partial. Yeah. So it, but it's little, little things like that that go a long way because that's what's going to take a little bit of outside of the box approach to get your average person who's not.... with the conflict to understand that, hey man, there's something big going on. You know, I'm here talking to Sam Tripoli for instance, but like for me it's like,

Starting point is 01:05:30 you know, I'm never really seen your podcast until about a couple of days ago when Gabe told me about it, you know, not really something I'm tuned into before, but you know, just your approach, the comedy, the humor, I'm like, you know what, this could resonate. So I took a chance and I'm glad I did because, I mean, look, we're having a fantastic conversation. Yeah, yeah, I think the swarm is going to love it. Yeah, man, you know, a lot, a lot of stuff is, you know, there's been a lot of purposefully getting people to to to to the to to to the to to the to to the to, the to, to fight with each other. So it's so hard for all of us to come together because, you know, humans, you know, regardless of your religion, your ethnic group, and all, we should all be loving each other because we are the power and they don't want us to know that.

Starting point is 01:06:22 So all of these politicians are just the Emperor's new close. Like they only have power because we allow them to have power. And like I want to toubts. I want to touch up on the fact that they hate us, man. They're taught, there's video evidence of them being taught in schools and kindergartens to hate Armenians from childhood, you know? 100% dude, it's it's in doctrine. Ramil Safraub is a good example of that. Do you know that is? No, who is it? Joey, you'll probably explain in better detail about him.

Starting point is 01:07:03 So, you know what you're... Sure. So Ram Saafaro is a very, very famous Azeri hero. And the reason why he's an Azeri hero in the first place is because he murdered an Armenian officer during a NATO summit in his sleep and axed him to death, basically nearly decapitating him. He was jailed in Hungary for about six or seven years, and in exchange for about two million or three billion dollars, Azerbaijan was able to free this guy. They brought him back home to Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan,

Starting point is 01:07:45 they gave him a hero's welcome, they increased his rank in the military, and they gave him a lifetime pension for the time he served on behalf of, in their mind, for his heroism against the Azeri people. Now you're wondering why Hungary would even do that? Hungary had massive debt. And Ozzyr to out their debt for $2 billion. Oh my God. It blows the mind. This guy was serving a jail sentence for murdering somebody.

Starting point is 01:08:13 And you know what? And the officer's name, by the way, it was Gurgen Margarian. Gurgin Margarian's family. Can you imagine having to tell them that you know what? The Hungarian government has to tell them something something something something something. their. their. their, their, their, their, their, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th, th, th, th. He, th. He, th. He, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho. He tho. He tho, tho. He has has has thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. He has has has has tho. He has th tell them that, you know what, the Hungarian government has to tell them something along the lines of, we've arrested this man, he's guilty and murdering your son, we're jailing him, and then have to go back several years later and tell him, you know what, our country was in debt, so we basically let the guy who killed your son go in exchange for this bailout money? Like how is that justice? You get what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:08:45 No, 100% dude. And these countries that live off oil, they seem to just always be using their powers for like destruction. I don't I don't get it, man. You know, that's the whole thing with the, you know, the initial, the reason there's a war in Syria right now, besides being the Mesopotamia area is that.... that Qatar, that Qatar, that Qatar, that that thia thia thia that thia thia that thia thia thia thia thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thiii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, thi, their, thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, their, their, thi, thi, the reason there's a war in Syria right now, besides being the Mesopotamia area, is that Qatar has a lot of oil, but it's landlocked, and it's got to get to the Baltic Sea. And the only way to do that is to go through Syria. And the reason there's been a lot of conflict is because Russia doesn't want that pipeline to happen. Because if that pipeline happens, it makes it easier their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their that pipeline to happen because if that pipeline happens, it makes it easier for Qatar to get all their oil to Europe.

Starting point is 01:09:30 And that would do incredible damage to the Russian economy. So that's what that war is all about. It's all about oil money, man. It's all about oil money. And it is just sad. There's no denying that all the wars that we're seeing have in some way shape or form to do to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to to get to get to to get to get to get to to get to get to get to get to get to get to get the oil the oil to get to get the oil to get to get the oil the oil to get to get all to get all to get all to get all to get all to get all the oil to get all to get all to get all to get all to get all to get all to get all to get all to get all to get all the oil the oil to get all to get all to get all to get all to get to get to get to get to get to get to the oil... the oil.. the oil. the oil. the oil. the oil. their their their their their their their their their their their their their oil oil oil oil oil oil to their to to the wars that we're seeing have in some way, shape or reform to do with oil. Except when it comes, and look, this is not biased, this is our truth. When it comes to our Armenians, our wars are only for survival. We're not going out there, you know, to be aggressors, to be belligerent, to be angry, to be proving a point that,

Starting point is 01:10:05 look, we can kill you just because we can. That's not what Armenians do. Man, if you were to sit there and count how many times we've been messed with in history, it would appall you. You know, the fact that my ancestors were picked on and kicked around. You know, and I'm glad you brought that up because there is a big issue with oil. There's a big issue with the oil trade and these, you know, oil rich countries because it seems to be like every time there's something popping off in the world, there's oil money behind it.

Starting point is 01:10:42 And exchange for oil, we're exchanging guns. You know what I mean? So, you know, I'll give you my guns, you give me your oil. And it's like, you know, everybody in between, especially, especially like a little country like Armenia, which other than its people, has really no other resource. You know, like, we're not pumping out gold, we're not pumping out oil, we're not pumping out anything that anybody wants right now.

Starting point is 01:11:05 So it's really easy to kick the little guy around. Except Armenians as you know are not very easy to kick around. Yeah, dude, we fight dog. We're fighters. I mean, we're pretty tough man. Yeah, man. My friend Brian Cowell was ta how Armenians are how Armenians are the last of the machismo man, dude. Like Armenians, and Russell Peter was like, no matter where Armenians are,

Starting point is 01:11:27 they're always Armenian. They're always Armenian, man. And we're proud of that, man. We're proud of that. And our biggest thing right now, I mean, look, dude, we're fundraising like crazy. Like Armenia fund, that. I don't know if I should drop a charity on here or not. I don't know if you're cool.

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Starting point is 01:12:12 It's tax deductible. Excuse me. And, you know, this is going to help the humanitarian efforts in Armenia. It's going to help us restore massive. It's to to to to to to to their to to to to to their to to their to to to to their to to their to to to their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their to to tooomhea. tooomhea. tooomomomomfunomeneomomomomomomomomomomomomomome. thoomfuncunct. thoomfuncunct. thoomfuncuncuncuncuncuncunate. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thoomomom. to to tho. to to to thoome. tooome. tooomorrow. tooomorrow. tooomorrow. tooomorrow. tooomorrow. tooomeuuuuu. tooome. tooomeuuu. tooomea going to help us rebuild. It's going to help us restore massive infrastructure that's already been destroyed. So that's primarily going towards our war effort right now, right? It's to make sure that everything is restored back to normal because we've lost so much. And it's only been 13 days. And I was telling Gabe earlier this, like, you know, I hope it ends soon, but the way I'm seeing this happen is that Turkey and Azerbaijan, especially in their press statements and their, you know, from their ministry of foreign affairs all the

Starting point is 01:12:50 way to their leadership, are now talking about basically making sure that Armenians have left their ancestral land. So they're talking about genocidal rhetoric again, right? So every single penny, if it's a dollar, if it's $10, if it's $1,000, it's up to you, even micro donations, we'll take it then, but that's our fight right now. We're making sure that we survive. And we're seeing a lot of that now, man, a lot, especially in that area, people being forced to move off their lands. And just for some reason, people don't care.

Starting point is 01:13:26 And it upsets me. It's like rules for thee and not for me. And that's kind of what drives me a little nuts, man. It's just like, I got a golden rule. And it's like, treat people with respect and love. Let them live their lives, okay? And we shouldn't be, I don't care what your religious take is. I don't care, you know, what what what what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, what you, the their, their, their, their, their, their, okay? And we shouldn't be, I don't care what your religious take is. I don't care, you know, what you worship, what you believe, you have the right to live in peace,

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Starting point is 01:14:26 what they do. And we do it here, too, man. We do it a lot to, we've done it with other people, man. There's a lot of people think that's what's going on with China right now, that this group of, you know, this, the military industrial complex is demonizing China. I think China actually does this stuff, but that doesn't thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi, this stuff, but that doesn't mean that it's not part of a propaganda machine. But this is what they do, man. This is what they do. And it's all about money and it's all about power and it has nothing to do with religion. It's all about greed and just a bunch of psychopaths who just are never happy with just what they got. They need, they want to drink everybody else's milkshake.

Starting point is 01:15:06 And it just, it just sucks man, because we just finally got the, the Armenian genocide recognized by the US government. And now we might have another one on us. Yeah, and you know what's funny, you said everybody wants to drink our milkshake, and you know this, you know, we're tough motherfuckers, man. Someone wants to come drink my milkshake, you gotta come and take my milk shake. Yeah. I think it's gonna be.

Starting point is 01:15:28 We will fight every inch of everything that we got because we know what it's like to lose it, man. And I'll, Sam, I'll put it to you this way. You brought it up about Armenian genocide, right and like kicking people off the thea thea thea thea, thea, themememememememememem, thian, thian, to to to to to to to keep, to keep, to keep, to keep, to keep, to keep, to keep, to keep, to keep, to keep, and k kk, and kk, to keep, to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep, to keep, to keep, to keep, to keep, to keep, to keep, to keep, to keep, to keep to keep th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, the the thi. the the the the thi. the thi. thi. to me me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me were born in the Ottoman Empire. My grandparents were born in Syria. My parents were born in the Soviet Union, and I was born here. You know what I mean? So I've been kicked off of so many places, like my ancestors have been kicked around so many places, dude. I'm in America, thank God I'm in America, dude. But you know, I can't say the same about my brother and sisters, dude. I know where th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, I'm thi, I'm thoe, I'm that, theateateat, I'm tho-I'm tho-I'm tho-I tho-I tho-a, I'm tho-I tho, I'm tho, I'm tho, I'm tho, I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm throwneananananananann. I'm throwneananananananananananananeaneanan. I'm throoeanananeaneaned, thrownean, brother and sisters, dude. I know where my homeland is. I could point to it on the map.

Starting point is 01:16:06 And going forward, I might not have a homeland to point to. And you want to talk about nationalism and religion and how people are divided. Yes, at the end of the day, we're human. What does an Armenian want it at the end of the day? They want peace, just like everybody else does, dude. I want Armenian shepherds and Armenian villagers to be able to live in their villages and walk their fucking sheep for fuck sake. And you have these guys who are sitting in basically bathing in oil deciding that, you know what, we have too much popular discontent at home because of how shitty our dictatorship is running, so let's

Starting point is 01:16:38 scapequil the Armenians. And you know what, there's a lot of innocent people that are going to die as a result of this on both sides, man. And why I'm saying that, you know, there's going to be innocent Azeris that die because their government is basically going to put them on the front lines, push them towards war, towards slaughter, and then take that image, broadcast it back home, to go do the same thing. If they took care of their people in the first place, none of this would be happening. If they actually had a democracy where they had a country where they could voice their opinions, if they had a free press where they weren't throwing journalists in jail, none of this would be happening right now.

Starting point is 01:17:19 So everything that's going on in their countries in Turkey and Azerbaijan, in the Middle East as a whole, the reason why Armenia sticks out is because, dude, we allow the freedom of the press, we allow freedom of speech, we allow freedom of worship, you know, we have, we were like one of the best tourist locations and so COVID kicked in and like the entire economy of Armenia died because it's a tourist destination. Yeah, I mean, this is just ridiculous dude. And they picked the perfect fucking time to do it too because they know that, you know what, they're probably running low on money because they need the foreign investment from tourists coming in. No, I mean, all the flights going into Armenia are stopping right now. I mean, not only because of the, according to most. And, you know, the Armenian people are suffering as a result

Starting point is 01:18:06 and they timed it perfectly then. Yeah, they knew exactly what they were doing. Yeah, I mean, like people are going, well, you know, we can't get involved in everything. Well, man, I mean, the truth of the matter is that we've created a military industrial complex and it is causing chaos all over the world.. this is where they should be getting involved, right? Why did we have, why did we form the UN? Why did we form all these multinational, even NATO? What was the whole purpose of NATO and all of these organizations?

Starting point is 01:18:37 It was to ensure that peace was maintained when you had a bad guy trying to mess things up? And then NATO became about the Cold War, right? You had two poles, you had these massive superpowers that wanted to go out each other. You have the US and their allies and the Soviet Union and theirs. And now it's kind of like, you have a multipolar system where everybody's kind of in cahoots with one another. as the Armenian, I don't th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, you have their, you have their, you have tho, you have tho, you have tho, you have their, you have their, you have their, you have their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, thi, they, they, that, their, they., their, their, their, their, their, their, their, an Armenian, I don't know if Iran is supporting us or against us. The Georgians who are, you know, our neighbors to the north are helping the Turks move weapons

Starting point is 01:19:11 through to Azerbaijan and then Russia's double dipping, they're selling weapons to our Union. Unbelievable. It is unbelievable what people will do for a dollar. And it just sucks, man. Because yeah, all your cash, but the pain and the suffering that you're allowing to happen is just ridiculous, man. And I hope everybody will check out all the links below

Starting point is 01:19:41 so you could help out. And I know guys that there's a lot of stuff going on right now and that's hard to put your attention into everything, but we have to keep the eye on the ball. Because if, well, little, you know, it's that whole saying about like how basically, you know, a force is only as strong as its weakest tree because they could cut down that tree and turn into an axe and then cut down all the rest of the trees.

Starting point is 01:20:09 And that could happen, that just gets the ball rolling when one little country goes in the area that's, that really is the democracy that we're talking about. And if we let that go, man, I mean, these groups get more and more powerful, more and more blazing and like, what's next from them coming over here or them drawing us into another war? That's just what we're doing right now. And I'm telling you, man, the Ottoman Empire was nasty. They did nasty things, man. And not that the US and what we've been doing the world isn't, and dude, I'm totot, I, I'm tot, I'm tot, I'm tot, I'm tot, I'm tot, I'm tot, I'm tot, I'm tot, tot, tot, tot, tot, tot, tot, tot, tot, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. th. I, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that the US and what we've been doing the world isn't, but I do it, I'm totally understanding what everybody's saying, 9-11, all that stuff.

Starting point is 01:20:49 What we did after that is unforgivable, in my opinion, man. But we have to stop this military industrial complex, man, and we have to get involved. It's gone too far, man. We have, we have a government right now. We basically have taxation without representation. I mean, we have people that are just giving us lip service, and then once they get in the office, they do nothing that they promised. And it's time to take it back.

Starting point is 01:21:16 We are the power. We have all of it. That's why they gotta do all this stupid stuff to convince us to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to vote to to to the the to the to the the to the to the to the the to convince us to vote for them and to let them, we are the power. We need to start getting actively involved and not just every four years. We need to, you know, make politicians afraid again of the masses. Because right now they're not and they're doing whatever they want and they're allowing pain and suffering to happen all over the world. And that's why you should get involved. Absolutely, absolutely. Can you tell them where they could find you real quick? So, most important thing, I mean, you can follow me on, you can follow me on Instagram.

Starting point is 01:21:55 It's Joe Kazazian Esquire. That's J-O-E-D-A-Z-A-N. Lots of letters. You can find me on Facebook. You can find me on Facebook. You can find me on Twitter at Slow Mo Joe. S-L-O-M-O-J-O-E. And other than that, man, you could find me on this awesome, awesome, awesome program. Sam, I really appreciate it, brother. Thank you for having me on.

Starting point is 01:22:19 Gave, it's good seeing you again, brother. And I'm very grateful for you. And for your viewers, guys, if you can, Armenia fund.org, forward slash donate or Armenia fund. told you just go right there. Whatever you can contribute, we're grateful for. And again, I'm grateful for allowing you on, or for you allowing me on your podcast. I really appreciate your brother. For sure, man. Thank you for me on your podcast. I really appreciate your brother. For sure, man. Thank you for coming on. Gabe, can you tell them where they can find you?

Starting point is 01:22:47 At Gabe the banker. There we go, there we go, Gabe the banker. I knew you, I gave you that name and you resisted it, and then you took it because you're money in the bank brother. So just gave the, gave the bank the bank the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker on the banker on the banker, the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker, the banker, the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the banker the bank the bank the bank the bank the bank the bank the bank the bank the banker the banker the banker the banker their. Instagram? And on Instagram is Gabe Killian. All right man. Well Gabe, I appreciate you hooking me up with Joseph. Thank you so much. I hope you guys enjoyed this. Uh, you know, I think it's important that we keep our eye on the ball wherever tyranny shows its face, man. And the more we expose this stuff, the less likely they want to pull some, you know, war crimes. And I think that's important, man. And it's like, we have to do the work

Starting point is 01:23:26 that the mainstream media doesn't want to do because they are bought and sold. They are the Mockingbird media, and they only put out the information that the powers of B want. So thank you guys for listening to Tim Fohat. You know I love you so much, Swarm and we'll talk to you guys soon. Thank you so much. Have a great weekend, okay? Take care. People everywhere. That's some interdimensional mind. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning.

Starting point is 01:24:12 You just move my mind.

Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #379: The Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict with Joseph Kazazian and Gabe Killian

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