Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #381: Satanic Panic, Near Death Experiences and Why Evil Matters with Skeptiko's Alex Tsakiris

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Starting point is 00:04:46 I'm really honored to have you dude. If you can tell us a little bit about your podcast so the swarm can find you. Sure. Like we were just chatting about, I mean, it is, it's really cool to be here. I can't believe what you guys have done in the time, time, time, time, time these shows and I'm taking notes like crazy and I go how come I've been at this twice as long and these is these guys and I'm the one taking notes on all

Starting point is 00:05:11 their stuff so been doing this podcasting thing for you know no for real Johnny let them say nice things it's true it's true and we're gonna talk about it to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the to the th. th. I I I I I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. th. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm th. I'm I'm I'm I'm I I'm I I'm I I I's. I I I I I I I I I I I I'm. I I I I I's. I I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. t. t. t. try. try. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And th. And's true. It's true. And we're going to talk about it today. Because when you asked me what I wanted to talk about, I said, what you guys did with the Crowley episode with Mark Steeves, that was his name, right? Yeah, Mark Steve's. How can you nail names and I can't nail any names? Well, that's a pretty easy one. But Mark is a good dude. I don't have nothing against Mark, but I just thought where you guys went, I felt like I've been in so many of those conversations with Crowley Apologist and not to put anybody down, but I feel like it's to me it's almost become like a litmus test. Like you threw out the name

Starting point is 00:06:00 Alistair Crowley and you see which way they go and you immediately know so many thin. So anyway I've thi th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the the thi. thi. the. the. the th. the th. th. th. the. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm th. I'm th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. the. the.they go and you immediately know so many things about them. So anyway, I've been doing the skeptical podcast thing. I really started with kind of a business guy, you know, that was always my thing. I made some money, sold my company. I was like, I want to find out the deepest questions, spiritual questions you can ask. You know, and I shot you an email that, you know, Sam, I thought it was really cool with your with your zero podcast, which I really, I immediately signed on to that because you're a guy who goes, hey man, I started out with conspiracies and it led me to spirituality. I was like, oh, that is so awesome because I feel like exactly the opposite.

Starting point is 00:06:44 I started out with just like science, and I knew spirituality was behind that, and I knew there was some game being played. I knew they were game in me with this stupid science that I'm meaningless in a meaningless universe, but I didn't quite know what it is. And that led me to conspiracy. So it's kind of funny. That's where, that's kind of where thiiiiiiiiii thi that's where thi th. th. where that's thi, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, like, like, thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, that's that's that's that's th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's that's that's thi. thi. thi. thi. it is. And that led me to conspiracy. So it's kind of funny, that's kind of where it's been. So I've been doing this for a long time. I super love it, enjoy it.

Starting point is 00:07:14 Please unsubscribe. I don't care. I just love doing this. I love connecting with people. And I'm super excited genuinely because I think you guys have just collected so many interesting ideas and you're so brave to go against people like on the Crowley thing. That's brave, especially they're in Hollywood because this wink and nod acceptance of whatever that is, you know, we can get into it.

Starting point is 00:07:44 You told me you've, we can get into it. Well, you told me you've been getting a lot of feedback on the show. What have people telling you? Mark is a good friend of mine. He helps me book a bunch of my shows. And we initially, the show, and we've, you know, we had a follow up on the Patriot and it was like, he's like, I want to expose him for what he's really is. I think where a lot of people and maybe I mistook Mark's point of view is that like if technically there's no proof of it but walks like a duck talks like a duck probably

Starting point is 00:08:13 molest a duck, you know what I'm saying? So, no, I mean, it's kind of my opinion. And we had a we had a discussion like that. And not that you're doing that else, but people understand that like the purpose of Mark coming on th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. tho, tho, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thru. I, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to, to, they, the, that you're doing that else but people understand that like the purpose of Mark coming on there was to in fact kind of out him for what he is. I really appreciate what you're saying because we are in Hollywood and we are pushing back against what is being said from the point of view of love. I love what you said about science because you know from a guy who you know flunk first grade was held back because they felt he wasn't mature enough and really like just struggled in this kind of system, this, you know, Rockefeller school system, like my entire fourth grade, I was in detention.

Starting point is 00:08:58 Like I didn't get to go out for lunch and play. I had to sit in the hall and I was deemed the troublemaker and which was weird because my parents are both teachers so I really had a thing for like I love teachers I just I guess I rubbed them the wrong way so when you talk about science and when I sit there and I go I think the laws of physics were created to box us into a certain reality and that anything outside those laws of physics and which I find is the good shit gets dismissed. So may I really love what you're saying I really appreciate it. You know skeptic, for me

Starting point is 00:09:38 man it's like I am I am a spiritual skepticist you know I a lot of people hate the word conspiracy theor so I was just talking to Whitney Webb on Twitter and she's like, I am, I am, I am like, I am a, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm a a a a a a a a, I'm a the the the the the the the th, I'm a th, I'm a th, I'm a thi, I am a spiritual skepticist. You know, a lot of people hate the word conspiracy theor. I was just talking to Whitney Webb on Twitter. And she's like, I'm gonna get called a crazy conspiracy cook. And I'm like, lean into a girl. Exactly. Right. Be you, man. And that's kind of where I'm at with this.

Starting point is 00:09:59 It's, you know, so I appreciate you coming out. I appreciate the kind the kind the kind the kind the kind the kind away train and I just try to keep it on the tracks and I'm lucky to XG and Johnny are part of it, but it is literally like, okay man, podcast God gets through this one, let's hope and pray. And usually the train makes it to the train station. But I appreciate it, man, because I like the the the the the tha thua thua thua thu thu thu thu, you thu, you thu, you thrain that is that is that, you that, you thrain thrain thrain thrain, you thr-a, you're thrain makes thranny, you know, thrain makes thrain makes thrain, thrain, thrain, thrain, thrain, thrain, thrain, thrain, thrain makes thrain makes thrain makes thrain makes thrain makes thrain makes thrain makes thrain makes thrain makes thrain makes thrain makes thrain makes thrain makes thrain makes that, you that, the the the the the the the the that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, I's, I'm train, I'm, train, I'm train, train, train makes it, train makes it having the dangerous conversations because I think those are the important conversations. Well, you know, let me, let me do a kind of a sideways connection to what you just said. So for the last year or so, I've really been into exploring this thing, evil, you know, and I wrote a book, Why Evil Matters. And the premise of the book is that if you don't understand the game that science is playing, by telling you that you don't really have a you that your biological robot in a meaningless universe,

Starting point is 00:11:00 that consciousness is an illusion, this is science. Like you got those two little kids, and a few years from now you're going to tak them by the book, is, is, is, is, is, is, is th, is th, is th, is th, is thi thi thi thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is th, is th, is th, is th, is th, is th, i thi, i thi, i thi, i thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that consciousness is an illusion. This is science. Like you got those two little kids and a few years from now you're going to take them by the hand and you're going to walk them up there into kindergarten. You're going to say you go guys and they're going to teach them that they're really not anything in there, that they don't have free will, that they're just a product of this meat thing in their head, and that's just what's happening. And that is, my point is that that is an absurd idea philosophically. If you break that down, all the great philosophers would say, well, that just doesn't

Starting point is 00:11:38 make any sense. But it's also experimentally in science, like you said, physics? You go back the most famous scientific experiment, the double split the double slit experiment implies the observer effect, implies that consciousness is not only real, but is in somehow way fundamental. But push all that stuff aside for a minute, because what I think is interesting is how we've been conned into not seeing how obviously stupid that is, to say that you're nothing, that

Starting point is 00:12:14 you probably don't really exist, that voice inside your head, and the voice that is listening to the voice inside your head. That that's all some kind of illusion. How did they pull off that trick? And that's where I think is the voice inside your head, that that's all some kind of illusion? How did they pull off that trick? And that's where I think is the stepping stone to Alistair Crowley in a way. Because the flip side of that is that, so science is pushing you into this thing saying,

Starting point is 00:12:40 oh, you're really nothing, just this brain that's generating all this random shit. And then you got this other side that says, no, man, there's more to it. And then you've got the religions who said, well, yeah, there's more to it. We'll tell you exactly what it is and how to interact with it, right? We'll jump right in the middle of that thing. You know, so whether it's your Armenian Eastern Orthodox Church is whether it's my Greek Orthodox churches, whether it's those freaking Catholics or the Mormons or the people, no matter who it is, they're all doing the same thing. They're all jumping in the middle and saying, hey, hey, whoa, you can talk to them. Through me, pal. I'll tell you how to to do it it it the the the the the the the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the the same. the the the the the the the the the th. the. their their their their thea. their. their their their their their their their the same. the same. the same. talk to them. Through me, pal. I'll tell you how to do it. So where are we left? We're left in the middle.

Starting point is 00:13:29 So when somebody like Crowley comes along, a lot of people are fascinated. They're like, whoa, there's another way. And that doesn't matter if it's just as stupid as the other two ways, like you're saying, it's like, do it the wilt? Wow, that's so different than what those religious people are telling me. It's so different than what those scientists are telling me that tell me I'm nothing. I got to at least look at it. At least it's a new voice in the freaking, you know, in the discussion. I couldn't agree more. I think it's just so. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. their. their. their. th. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's, th. It's, th. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. th. th. th. It's. th. It's. It's. th. It's. It's. It's. th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's the the th. It's the the th. It's the the the th. It's th. It's so different. It's so different. th. It's so different. It's th. It's think it's just so interesting. How many of our great philosophers are great spiritual leaders are like trust fund kids and they have just access to the best schools and then their classmates get in positions of power

Starting point is 00:14:18 and for some reason these people are just allowed to get their message across so much quicker. It's just unbelievable how the rich try to convince the poor, how useless they are. I mean, don't put down the rich, I'm rich. I take objection to a lot of that shit. I understand that. And like, dude, where I'm from, I'm somewhat rich. And trust me, I'm not that rich. But it's, you know, it's, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. to, to, to, the. to, the. they, they, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, know, it's, I guess we rated on a scale here.

Starting point is 00:14:46 But the point is that we have these kids who have been isolated, grown up in these wonderful places, really isolated from life, being put in positions to tell us what our life is about when they've never really actually experienced it. And it's just, Sam, I don't, I don't think that's what Kroli is about. I thi thi's thi, I thi, I thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. The point, th. The point, th. The point, the point, the point, the point, the point, the point, the point, the point, the point, the point, the point, the point, the point, the point, the point, the point, the point, the point, the point, the point the point the point the point thi's thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thin, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, it's just... Sam, I don't, I don't think that's what Crowley's about. I think you hit on what Crowley's about. So hold on, the rich, the rich trust fund kid, totally, totally get that and you nailed that. But the other thing that you nailed that I think is particularly, not enough people emphasize this, who's his thapapapapapapapapapapapapapapap. is th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the. that's what that's what the. that's what that's what that's what that's what that that that's what that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. His dad is in this cult, right? His dad is in this Christian cult. The Clemeth Brethren. It is a goofy cult. You can't give people birthday cards, birthday presents. You can't do it. It is an absurd and he's in it. So what he's doing, which you nailed in the show is

Starting point is 00:15:44 reaction at what anyone would do. He's rebelling. But he takes this rebellion, and then he turns it into what we see so many times with, you know, this Satanism thing, and stuff like that. It's like they rebel, and then they get drawn into a whole different game that they weren't even aware was kind of one step away. We can all identify with the rebellion shit because they had real stuff to rebel against, but it doesn't always lead to the right thing. No, I agree with that.

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Starting point is 00:19:54 do-out-wilt Crowley thing, right? But the spin on that, I mean, like the other things, that, and I'm sorry, I'm just going to keep wrapping on that show, but there were so many cool things about that show, like one of the things that jumps out is who is now picking up, picking up the flag and carrying it for Crowley? And I think it's interesting, because I don't think it's just rich kids. I mean like you guys, have you guys done anything on the West Memphis 3? No, we should should th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. th. th. thi. thi. the the thi. the the th. the the th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. thi. the thi. the the the thi. the the the thi. the thi. th. th. 3, satanic panic? We should though. We should, yeah. Okay. Damian Echols is a great, a great podcast guest. You know, he was one of the characters in Duncan Trusson.

Starting point is 00:20:34 Yeah, he was. Yeah, I mean, if you want to have on somebody who, if you want to have on somebody who raped and killed three kids in, you know, Memphis, Arkansas, please get Damien Eccles on your show right away and get Duncan Trussle to come on to and pat him on the back and Johnny Depp to pat him on the back. The facts about Damien Eccles is he's not only a convicted killer, he is a confessed killer. He is. He got out of jail. He got out of jail. He got out of jail. He got out of jail. He got out of jail. He is a confessed killer. He got out of jail. He got out of jail on a deal where he pled guilty. So he pled guilty to get out of jail. The terms of that guilty plea was that he could go out and say, I'm not guilty. He can do that and not get sued. But he pled guilty. But here's the best part.

Starting point is 00:21:25 And this takes about 30 minutes. Interesting, dude. This is I swear I get more comments on Twitter though. We should have Damien Eccles on than anything else. So this is going to be an education. You guys would tear them up because you guys would do the research. Go do. So here's just I had on a guy. Here's another another. the other another. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I I th. I I th. I th. I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I t. I t. I t. I t. I t. I te. I te. I te. I te. I swear. I t. I te. I t. I t. I t's another guy you might want to have on. This is an attorney, his name is William Ramsey, and he wrote this book, Abomination, about the West Memphis Three. And if you go Google West Memphis Three, the first three, four, five pages, satanic panic, satanic panic, satanic panic.

Starting point is 00:21:58 Like these poor guys just wore some dark t-t-shirts, and they got pulled in off the street. Just not true. I mean, the kid confessed to, it won his mother. His mother is all messed up and probably got him into all this stuff. But drinking blood, he was in a mental hospital. All his mental records are released as part of the court documents because they were, he liked drinking blood, he liked all these rituals, he was arrested performing a satanic ritual and doing arson in a garage. But then here's the stuff that comes out, like one of his co-conspirators, not I shouldn't

Starting point is 00:22:36 say co-conspirators, one of the guys who's also convicted and then later released when he pleads guilty, not only confesses to the crime, and then if you when he pleads guilty, not only confesses to the crime, and then if you watch those movies that those guys did on them, Johnny Depp and what's Peter Jackson, I don't know how these Hollywood guys, you know, got all got behind this, I mean, maybe they knew, maybe they don't know. But here's the thing. The evidence is that like one of the guys, so if you listen

Starting point is 00:23:08 to Damien Eccles, he says, yeah, you know what they do and you know what the prosecutors do. And I'm not saying that the prosecution in this case was perfect. Again, I don't know. Go talk to William Ramsey. He's an attorney and he can answer those. But he wrote a whole book on it. You can kind of read it and talked him. But the point is, the confession wasn't just this 20-hour sweat that Damien likes to talk about. Yeah, they got this guy in there and an IQ was 60, and they gave him a 20-hour sweat in the investigation room and that was it. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Later, after the conviction,

Starting point is 00:23:47 the guy gets in the squad car and the guy leans back and goes, come on now, tell me what happened. Tell me what really happened. God lays it all out. We met him, you know, we ran across these kids. They looked, you know, the age we were looking for. We did the thing. We did the deed. And he just lays out the whole thing. It's right there. 15 minutes. You'll find it. And you Google it and go find the truth about the case. The other truth about the case that I

Starting point is 00:24:17 thought was so interesting is because, hey, let's face it, the cops in criminal prosecutions, they play dirty. And we all all that. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the th. the th. the the thi thi thi the game thi thi thi. thi. thi. the game thi. the game thi. thi. thi. thi. the game the game thi. thi. the. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the game the game the game the game the game the game the game the game the game thi. the game the game the game thi. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. theee. theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. theeeee. theeee. the. the. the. the cops in criminal prosecutions, they play dirty, and we all know that. One of the games they play, and you might have heard this or seen this, is they get a guy in, and they go, oh, you know, and this is, again, West Memphis, Arkansas, right? Oh, come on, Damian. Now, Damian, we know you didn't do it. But tell us, what kind of guy would have done something like this? And he starts going, this isn't the record, right? This is in the record. And he goes, well, they were probably Satanists. And they probably saw these kids and saw him as weak and saw they could manipulate him.

Starting point is 00:25:03 And then he starts revealing all this stuff that only people at the crime scene would know, right? Which is exactly what they're trying to get him to do. One of the things he says, he says, and you know, they probably put him in the water because somebody probably urinated in their mouth. And they wanted the river to wash the urine out of their their their their their their their their their their their their mouth and they wanted the river to wash the urine out of their mouth. Who knows this? It's true, but who knows this? Who isn't at the scene of the crime?

Starting point is 00:25:35 So I don't know if the legal system screwed this guy over, if there were DNA, this and that, but it doesn't sound to me like satanic panic. That's my point. It just doesn't, it just doesn't sound like a poor guy who was wearing the wrong t-shirt and got pulled in off the street. It doesn't sound the reason. You're fairly certain they're guilty though.

Starting point is 00:25:57 I don't know if they're guilty or not. I just know that this evidence evidence this evidence this evidence this evidence this evidence this evidence this evidence this evidence this evidence this evidence never seemed this like you talked to William Ramsey and he's been at it for a while because the case is pretty old and he's like kind of beaten down on it a little bit but like for somebody like me or you guys when you first run across it you're like how how is this not the headline on this story why is the headline Johnny Depp you know rescues this guy from death row? Why isn't thin the this the the th? th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho the the the the this this the this this the this the this this this this the this the the this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the is the the the is the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theeate. the the case. the the the case. the the the the the the the the the is the is the is the Why is the headline, Johnny Depp, you know, rescues this guy from Death Row? Why isn't anyone asking,

Starting point is 00:26:30 well, is there any chance that this guy is connected to the crime? Because I'm not, again, I can't say that he's guilty. I can tell you, because it's part of the record, that in order for him to get out of jail, he pleaded guilty. Now, you can say, if you're on death row, you know, you say you get out of jail, you plead guilty. Anyone would, I accept that. But I just never see this evidence, which is again in the record,

Starting point is 00:26:56 come into the discussion of, you know, Damian's, and Damien E, and Damien's redeemed, he seems, I mean, I don't know Damien Eccles. I'm not jumping out of my seat to have a chance to talk to him because I just think it's all, sounds to me like a lot of the same old bullshit, but I'm just not super impressed by people who've really dug into the, you know, maybe I'm wrong. I'd love for someone to show me where, you know, I just kind of misread the police report that's right there in the record. I thought the thing that got them off was blood on a knife that matched the stepdad. Was that what, that's what I was told,

Starting point is 00:27:38 was the reason they got out, is because there was blood on the knife that they believe was a weapon that was actually the stepfathers that was kind of like pounding these guys down. And this seems to be a common theme in these stories that get turned into docs or movies. And I, you know, full disclosure, I give monthly give monthly to the innocent project to help people get out. Nothing worse.

Starting point is 00:28:09 Nothing worse than someone wrongfully convicted. I've given to, I've given two. I've given to the guy who does the DNA thing. What's it? The OJ guy? Yeah. So, because I this kind of reminds me of making a murder. Because if you watch Making the Murder. That's what I was getting into. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:25 They make you believe that he doesn't do it. But if you watch their case about it, you're like, oh, those, that fucking kid fucking did it with his uncle. It just depends what you watch. And then you have a- That's interesting, because a lot of people don't thii. is to undermine law enforcement. You know, there's also a part of that that is like, oh, cops are all crooked.

Starting point is 00:28:50 And, you know, we could, I mean, we have Camille Harris right now running, and they've been talking about how she, like, new guy's DNA, he didn't match the killer and left him on death row for as long as she could, because she didn't want to take an L on her record. It's very interesting, Doob. Totally. No, no, I am down with that, totally. And I just think, like XG's saying there,

Starting point is 00:29:16 so many of these cases, you just got to look at both sides. So I'm not like, hey, if the guy has like really good answers to all this stuff, that's awesome. But I think someone should press him on those particular issues rather than just, you know, this kind of. Well, it's the same thing right now. Go to the left and go watch that Ridden House. Their story on it. And then go to the right and go watch their story on written house.

Starting point is 00:29:46 If you don't go watch the other one, you're going to believe whatever the fuck you read the first time. You gotta, you gotta, was he protecting himself or did you kill someone? Oh, you mean the kid? Yeah, the kid, the ridden house on it. On one of them he's a fucking terrorist on the other one he's a hero that would clean nonlinear warfare bro makes no linear warfare that's what man when I saw that video that broke down nonlinear warfare I'm like oh that is exactly it and you know it's like so you have the who the WHO the saying one thing and then Fathen Fau says the exact opposite and now both

Starting point is 00:30:27 sides have as the ammunition they need to go to war because they think they're right and it's done so well and it's just like man I you know when they when they got rid of Smith Muncie Act that was the beginning of the end that's when they're like okay we can't control the information so they got rid of Smith-Montsy act, that was the beginning of the end. That's when they're like, okay, we can't control the information, so we're going to flood you with information so you don't know if you're coming or going. And that's exactly what they've been doing since that bill got passed. It started early, uh, lay Obama and then, bam, with Trump. And both sides do it, both sides hit it, and it's just unbelievable now.

Starting point is 00:31:11 And it's just like, when you watch that last debate, there's nobody who watched that debate that goes, okay, the other side won that for sure. No, man, you hunker down and you're like my side won and then you find whatever ridiculous reason oh you know he was he was he was cutting him off all the time he's afraid to debate him. I'm like oh dude you are in Lala crazy land up you know it is interesting to get fed some of this stuff. I mean like like my big point about the Eccles thing is why is it so one-sided? Why when you Google that thing, is it all satanic panic? I mean, forget the case to the level that I was talking about it and just, you get into

Starting point is 00:31:57 it 15 minutes, you're like, well, this certainly isn't a good case for a satanic panic. I mean, there's a lot of satanic shit here. So, and there's kids there's kids there's kids th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that-a. is, that-auoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. satanic panic. I mean, there's a lot of satanic shit here. So, and there's kids that are dead. I mean, satanic panic is like, this guy's minding his own business. Everyone's like, you worship Satan. Like, I've said that before, like, I remember in high school, man, these three goth-thaf you know, if you're asking me, man,

Starting point is 00:32:26 what satanic panic is, is this is, that was done purposefully. So when truth started coming out about what's going on around the world, a lot of people just go, come on dude, satanic panic. I mean, like Joe Rogan talks about that one school. McMartan. And he calls it's saatanic. th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It's, th. It, th. th. th. th. thu, thatanic. thatanic. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. to, that. to, that, that, that, that, that, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that. that. that. that. that. the that. that. that. the that. the the that. that. that. that. the that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. thon. And he calls it say, Tag Panic, but and I love Joe Rogan, well, my heart, but it's like, Joe, they found underground tunnels going from that place. The story on McMartin is fantastically supportive of what we're talking about. And there's this guy, this professor from Brown University, his name is

Starting point is 00:33:05 Ross Cheat, Dr. Ross Cheat, and he wrote a book, detailing this shit. Brown University, right? He's not slacken. So the story, how McMartin gets started is little Maddy Johnson, comes home from McMarton preschool, and he's three years old, and he can't verbalize it, but he goes the mommy, mommy, my butt, and he's bleeding out of his butt. And she's like freaks out. Oh, you know, she, so what does she do though? Because this is so distorted,

Starting point is 00:33:38 but you go read this guy's book again, Brown University, he's no slacker. She takes him to the pediatric the pediatric the pediatric, the pediatric, the, thia, the, thia, the, the, th is no slacker. She takes him to the pediatrician. The pediatrician goes, I've seen this for him and this is indicating sexual abuse. Let's take them to UCLA medical emergency room. Boom, UCLA medical right away. They come in and the doctor's names are in the book here.

Starting point is 00:34:00 The doctors are on record. These are not like, doctor says, hey, yeah, this looks like sexual abuse to me. Let's get another guy in here. Yep, this is I got three doctors now, all saying the same thing. And then they get the police involved. So the police go, we gotta go check out

Starting point is 00:34:15 this McMartan preschool, because we're pretty sure Mrs. Johnson didn't do this, so let's see. Now, have you ever heard that about McMartan preschool? You've heard about satanic panic? Have you ever heard about Maddie Johnson, three-year-old kid with physical evidence diagnosed by three different doctors as evidence of being sexually assaulted? Why don't you hear about that? Why do you just hear about satanic panic? And again, I'm not a Christian. So when we get into talking about what satanic panic means, it probably means something

Starting point is 00:34:54 really different to me than it means to a lot of other people. But I'm spiritual guy and I'm trying to figure that out, but Christianity doesn't fit the bill for me. But satanic panic is a total, fr fr fr fr fr fr fr fr fr fr, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I, I'm just, I'm just, I'm th, I, I, I, I, I, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I, I I I I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm th, I'm th, I'm thi, I'm that, I'm that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, I'm just just that, I'm that, I'm that, I'm trying to figure that out but Christianity doesn't fit the bill for me but satanic panic is a total freaking head fake in in my opinion total head fake along the lines and I would bring it back just one more thing I'll stop my rent. No keep going dude everyone's like why do we have science why do we have science? Why do we have science you mentioned to Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan is a gift for all of us in that he's exposed so many things and talked about so many things. But he's so freaking

Starting point is 00:35:33 messed up on his understanding of science, his understanding of consciousness and spirituality. It's just distorted, but that's okay, we're all distorted. But the point is science is telling us one thing. You're nothing. You're a biological robot. Satanic panic is stupid because anything spiritual is stupid. That's what science tells you. And then satanic panic by the wink and nod, Johnny Depp, Hollywood, you know, oh, it's cool to do this and that is saying, yeah, it's cool and, you know, but it's cool to do this and that is saying yeah it's cool and you

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Starting point is 00:38:44 Use a promo code, tin foil hat and trim your testes with the besties, okay? Well, religion and science are very similar, dude. Very similar about how they're presented to us and how it's like these guys are basically unquestionable. You cannot question these people. I mean, religion forever was like this guy has a direct line to God. He has God's number in his phone. Don't question him. And then you go to science, like, that's all we're hearing right now. I go, why? Like, dude, you know, over the last year I've had to go to, you know, doctors.

Starting point is 00:39:26 And I just listen to these doctors. And then you ask him a question and they don't have the answer. And it's just basically they can't regurgitate talking points. I mean, it's like, do you have, do they have a talking point to thin, they have a talking point to throw up on you. And I like, and I'm not going, like not all doctors are bad people. There's a lot more wonderful doctors than not,

Starting point is 00:39:48 but the notion of not questioning somebody because the X number of schooling makes no sense to me. I question everybody, question me, and you go to the comment section, that's all they're doing is questioning me. I'm just taking a beating beating the the to be beating to be beating to be beating to be to beating to beating to beating tothey're doing is questioning me. I'm just taking a beating left and right. But the Satanic panic thing is very interesting, dude. It's just very interesting because, you know, when we look at politics, right, how often do we see politicians

Starting point is 00:40:14 who have been blackmail, corrupted, and put in power positions to be controlled. Why wouldn't religion be the same thing? My belief, the Jesuits have a very far reach, and the black nobility, Rochild, whatever you want to call this group of people, have forever been buying, buying politicians and blackmailing politicians to put them in a place so that they can control the thing. And if they don't play ball, then they, you know, they put out the information so everybody

Starting point is 00:40:53 can laugh and, you know, and basically make these people look like crazy people, right, or corrupt negative people. And religion, I think, is done that too. I think they position people in certain places to control them. And then over time when they want to basically destroy the credibility of religion, they then out one of these guys as being, oh look at this guy, he's a didler, knowing the whole time he was a didler and that's why he's there because he's a didler. And that is the slow, slow chipping away at the credibility of spirituality. And religion is just, you know, a fake construct of spirituality. You know,

Starting point is 00:41:43 the, the Roman Catholic Church went around and started going around and just, you know, and just, you know, you know, you know, a fake construct of spirituality. You know, the Roman Catholic Church went around and started going around and just hitting pagans over the head, tell them, take this book literal. And it was never meant to be literal. It was meant to be, here is some great stories to learn how to live your life. And, you know, and how to, how to basically maneuver through this universe this wonderful place to live and they made it literal and they beat up

Starting point is 00:42:09 anybody who didn't take it literal and that's kind of so so so we have this whole thing with satanic panic and you have these absolutely crazy Christians on television and I have no problems with Christianity Judaism Islam I have no problems with any of them. The philosophy... I have problems with all of them. Well, just hear me out on that. The actual religions themselves are just thoughts. The application of these thoughts is where the problem comes in. And it's the people applying the thoughts and not the thoughts is where the problem comes in. And it's the people applying the thoughts and not the thoughts.

Starting point is 00:42:48 It's like government is really nothing. I mean, if you go to City Hall, you're like, this City Hall, once they move out of City Hall, and they move into a bigger building, is that still City Hall? No, City Hall is a, is an abstract thought. It's just a thraught, a thraught, a thrauuuuuu, a thrau, a thrau, a tha, a tha, a thi, a thi, a thi, a thi, a thi, a thi, a It's just a thought and it's rules and it's a paradigm. You know, same thing with religion. Religion is nothing but a thought, you know, a paradigm of way of thinking. And so that's my whole point. But wait a minute, you got to connect that with

Starting point is 00:43:15 what you just said, because I thought you said a really important thing that, again, I mean, you figured the shag. Do you hear that? No, you did. You've th. You've th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their their their th. th. thi. thi. things. things. things. things. things. things. things. things. things. the. the. their religion. their religion. their., do you hear that? No you did. You figured this out sooner than I did but it's like if you want to control if you want a really Machiavellian kind of control freak kind of guy, yeah hell yeah you want pedophiles, didler is the worst of the worst right you have total control and for you to make the connection between okay so now that's all been exposed we understand politically how that works and thir the th th th th and th. th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. to to the. the. thi. the. thi. the. thi. thi. thi. thi. the.. And for you to make the connection between, okay, so now that's all been exposed, we understand politically how that works, and then for you to go, oh, look over here, if you're running the same thing over here, right,

Starting point is 00:43:53 wouldn't you want the same thing, if it's really about control, and that's the mostthing I'm calling you on, man. Then I don't think we can go back and play nice and say, oh yeah, well, sure they're using a lot of these cultish practices and sure they're doing institutionalized child abuse in order to blackmail. But they're really good folks and there's just a few bad apples. No, probably not, you know.

Starting point is 00:44:22 And again it comes back to this disintermediation. Why do you need, why do you think you need an intermediary? I love your show, Zero, I really do. You're not looking for anyone to jump in there and say, Sam, through me, that's the only way you're going to know. What's really there? I agree with that. It's like, why do you need somebody to tell you how to do everything? I guess it comes back to the same reason why, you know, people who watch an hour of programming

Starting point is 00:44:52 on television think they're informed. They want someone to tell them what it is. It's like political correctness completely relies on lazy thinking. These are the words that aren't good. These are the people, and this is how they act, and these people act like this. And so every, you know, I do a joke in my act that's called oppression math, right?

Starting point is 00:45:14 So when a comic walks to the stage, the crowd, each individual starts doing oppression math. How much has this person's demographic been oppressed? And it's totally based on identity politics and they go, oh, a black lesbian. There's nobody more oppressed than that. We're going to let her say every end word she wants and talk about all the nasty sex she wants because she's been, her demographic has been the most oppressed how that. So we got to let her go because our white guilt makes us feel bad. because she's been, her demographic has been the most oppressed out of it. So we gotta let her go because our white guilt makes us feel bad about what she's been through,

Starting point is 00:45:51 even though we have no clue where she's actually from, where she grew up, and any of that stuff. So people do that with the news. So why wouldn't we do that with religion? Why wouldn't we want to be like, dude, please, tell us what to think about this. After every debate, they're like, here's what you saw, and they tell you what you saw. That's the same thing with religion, because to go off on your own and to try to understand this insane universe we have, this insanely beautiful universe, and just to believe that it just randomly happened after a giant Fucking firework went off in the middle of nothing is just ridiculous

Starting point is 00:46:31 But it's easy for people to just digest somebody. You know like pen and tellor like you know, I'm in recovery I always talk about the pen and teler episode on Showtime where they shit all over AA and I'm just like I just like I know a little bit about pen and teler. You know a little behind. A the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the f. the f. the f. the f. the f. the fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire fire. I'm the fire. I'm the fire. I'm the fire. I'm the fire. I'm the fire. I'm the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the and Teller episode on Showtime where they shit all over AA and I'm just like, I just like I know a little bit about Penn and Teller, you know, a little behind the scene stuff and I'm like of course you're atheist, you know, because you don't want to think there's anything. And like for me when I say that there's a punishment, I don't mean a punishment, it's just like, well, you know, we're we were we are mortal gods having a human experience and we come down and we're supposed to learn what the universe is about and it is about helping others, helping others, giving to others. And some people don't live that life. And when it comes to judgment, you know, the thing, like, I told you how I kind of started with science, you know, and I did a hundred interviews with all these scientists and a lot of the kind of fringe scientists, but not really,

Starting point is 00:47:30 the real people who know, you know, the Rupert Sheldrick's Dean Raiden, parasy psychology kind of stuff. But then the next group of scientists I really talked to were the near-death experience scientists, you know, the guy who's the guy who's the surgeon, the the the the the tha, thian, thi..... thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, th.. th.. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, kind thi, kind the guy who's the surgeon cardiac arrest So her the cardiologist in the Netherlands pin van Lama. He's like super elite guy But one day somebody wakes up and says hey doc. It's quite a joke you made when you had me on the table yesterday And he goes, what do you mean? I had stopped your heart. You weren't alive. And so he goes, oh my God, something's going on here. So yeah. The point is, those are the guys who went against science and said, you know, I don't care what you're saying over there. I know that's not true. Because I have people keep telling me they're seeing what's going on in their

Starting point is 00:48:21 resuscitation from up in the corner room. There. There. There. way they can know that. They were dead flatline for three minutes. That can't happen. So anyways, I went and did a ton of interviews with all the leading near-death experience researchers in the world. Fantastic great people again because they're coming from this scientific medical thing but they're going like this is a mystery man we've got to crack of the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. the the the the th. the the th. the the th. th. thin. thin. the the thin. thin. th. th. th. th. th. I thin. thi. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I's. I's. I's. I's is. I th. I th. I I I th. I th. I I th. I th. I I I th. I th. I. I th. I th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm t. t. t. te. te. te. te. te. te. I'm te. te. I'm te. I'm te. I'm te. I'm thin. I'm th. I'mthey're going like, this is a mystery, man, we've got to crack it. But the biggest, one of the biggest things I take away from that is that, yeah, it's about judgment, it's about the moral imperative doing the right thing, but it's you judging you. You know, it's just you judging you. And we all know that's true. We all know we are the guide, you know. So with these these these these these these these these these these these these these these these the near the near the near the near the near the near the near the near the near the near the near the near the near the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. their. thethat's true. We all know we are the guide, you know. So with these near-death experience, people tell you, beyond the science, so you get to the science, you go, okay, there's really a mystery here.

Starting point is 00:49:12 Consciousness does survive death, the best we can do it. What happens after you die? They go, well, I had to face what I did, but there wasn't anybody therethere to judge me and be harsh to me? As a matter of fact, they were all like super like, it's okay, it's okay. But it was so hard for me to face what I had done. And that's what really was the hardest thing for me to take. I like, oh, game over, I get it, I get it completely. That's the ultimate judgment of me judging me. Like, what am I gonna deal with th. th. thia thage????. thage. thage. thage. thage. thage. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, tho, that, thi, thi, that, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, it was tho, it was tho, tho, th. It was, th. It was, th. It was, th. It was, th. It was, th. It was, th. It was, th. It was, th. It was, th. It was, th. It was, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, thooooooooooooo. thooooooo. tho. tho. tho going to deal with? I just think about

Starting point is 00:49:45 that so much. Oh man. Could you share, could you share maybe in your interviews, maybe the most memorable near-death experience you've you've had recounted to you? You know there's there's really been, here's what, here's what, let me answer that a different way Johnny because there's a guy one of my favorite guys that I interviewed is a guy named Dr. Jeffrey Long and he's a radiation oncologist outside of New Orleans, Louisiana and I love the guy to death because he was setting to be a medical doctor and he was in in Iowa I think wherever it was and he ran across these cases like I'm saying and he was in Iowa, I think, wherever it was. And he ran across these cases,

Starting point is 00:50:26 like I'm saying, but he was like, oh man, this is this is really one I want to investigate, but I can't, you know, I got to do the medical, I got to get my, got to get that degree, got to get paid, you know, but as soon as he did, he was able to do that and he made it his mission to start.... his his mission. his his mission. to to to to to to to to his his mission. And to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the mission. to to to to to to to to to to to the m. their, to to to be a, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the medical, the medical, the medical, to, to, to, to, to, to, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, the medical, the medical, the medical, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they. And, they. they. to me, to me, to, to me, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, they he made it his mission to start collecting these near-death experience accounts and he now has the largest database. Anyone can go to this. It's the Near-Death Experience Research Foundation and I used to do this when I first got into it on a regular basis I would like I'm gonna go read one of these every day because they're so freaking inspirational. And you have people dying all different ways with,

Starting point is 00:51:13 and you know, Johnny, because the reason that I'm really hesitant to say one is that I almost feel like it's one of those special things that if you go to that database, the one that you need, you will find, you know, and that's... Well, could you talk about some of the consistencies then between the experiences? Well, it, so, yeah, so the, first of all, there's a lot of differences. And when people try and kind of pinhole down, or pigeonhole down the similarities, that's good because we need to know whether it's real. You know, and if it's real,

Starting point is 00:51:54 there'd be a pattern that we could follow. But sometimes that washes away all the different varieties, like people who are atheists. What do they see? People who are Catholic versus Protestant versus Buddhist? What do they see? There's all this different stuff out there. Consistently what they see, what they experience. Number one, love. I mean it sounds tried, it sounds corn, it sounds whatever. It's complete. They'll just say it. they'll go, I'm gonna say it, and you won't get it. I'm gonna say it and you won't get it, because it's a love that I can't talk about.

Starting point is 00:52:32 It's just so complete. It's so, there's nothing wrong anymore. It's just, everything's perfect. And then what they talk about, what people, and this is so, like, if you look, if you you you you you you th you th you th you th you th. . . And then what they talk about, what people, and this is so, like, if you look for that, you'll find that that is the most consistently reported thing. But if you just read the headlines, sometimes what they say, they see a light and they feel they're moving through a tunnel,

Starting point is 00:52:55 and then they see relatives and they are put in a, all is true. All is true, but all is kind of different. But the thing is love, man, that's what they, I'm not saying that, because I don't, I'm not great with that love thing. That's not what I went looking for. That's not how I'm wired. But man, that's what they say consistently is just totally transformative experience of love. Are there any darker trips? Yes? Yes? Yes. th, th, th, th, th, th, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thiiiiiiiii. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thially transformative experience of love. Are there any darker trips? Yes. There are some. Yes. What do you think? And not just what's your opinion on those? Do you have an opinion? Number one, factually, you know, following the kind of science, because the scientific method is damn good in some positions here and doing some things. One, vastly underreported. A lot more of these

Starting point is 00:53:45 negative near-death experiences than kind of get reported. And two, under-researched. It's not the kind of thing that you're right. The New York Times bestseller about is the distressing near-death experiences. A lot of people... It sounds like DMT. Like you can't explain it, but it happens and when it happens to you, can maybe relate with someone else. Is it kind of like that? It is, and there's a lot of people have seen similarities between the DMT experience, you know, and there's also this question that a lot of people have asked all along is that, hey, is this

Starting point is 00:54:25 a DMT discharge in the brain, right? So is that the last gasp of a dying brain? It shoots a lot of DMT and this and that. Now, that seems, so flipping over to the science part of it, like, that's an interesting question, XG, and it's been addressed. It doesn't really fit the purely DMT-to the the the tie-de-deme-deme-deme-deme-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-mt-mt-mt-mt-mt-mt-mt-mt-deme-mt-mt discharge-mt t th-mt th-mt, th-mt, th-mt, thi-mtha-mccccccccccccc, thage-d. thage-d. th, XG. And it's been addressed. It doesn't really fit the purely DMT model. So DMT in your system may be allowing you to access some extended consciousness realms that are similar to the near-death experience consciousness realms. And I don't know what either one of those are. I don't know if the near-death experience realm is

Starting point is 00:55:04 equal to, less than, greater than. I'm not saying I know any of that stuff, because I don't. But they seem to be different. And one of the reasons they seem to be different is the sequence of events. You know, so with DMT, it hits you. A lot of times on these near-death experiences, oh gee, I was stabbed in a domestic dispute and the next thing I know I'm up above the ambulance looking at my body as we go into, you know, go into the

Starting point is 00:55:41 hospital. It's a lot more literal, right? I mean it seems to be grounded a little more than the DMT experience, right? And then it'll switch, Johnny. So then it'll switch, then it's, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the they, they, it, they, it they, it's, it's thi, it's thi, thi. thi. I thi. thi. thi. thi. toooooooooooo. I toge, thi, thi, thi, thi, the hospital. It's a lot more literal, right? I mean, it seems to be grounded a little more than the DMT experience, right? And then it'll switch, Johnny. So then it'll switch, so thi. So it's like this person says, yeah, I'm above, I'm above my body, and then I'm seeing the lights and then, boom, I see the flat line thing and now I That isn't really even and then if you try and put that back in our time frame you're like oh shit now you're talking about you know 30 minutes to an hour and then this and then they were dead you know it doesn't really you wouldn't match that with what people who've done DMT in laboratory and just experimentally kind of report. Sorry, if we could just real quick come back to the negative experiences, do you have...

Starting point is 00:56:30 No, I just want to... Johnny's afraid to die. I mean, okay, we're going to bring that up every time I talk about death, but who isn't, who wants to die? Nobody wants to die? I just think you're afraid of death. So Johnny you know here there's a guy out there that I spoke with and he's become pretty famous. He's really good guy. He's a little more on the Christian side of this thing which is is awesome because you know that's how they read it. I can't really see how you can come through all this stuff and have a kind of Christian only view of it. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. the to. the the the thi. So, the thi. thi. th. the thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. So. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. the. the. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. the an the. the. the. the. the how they read it. I can't really see how you can come through all this stuff and have a kind of Christian-only view of it because the data doesn't

Starting point is 00:57:07 really line up that way but I'm digressing. Howard Storm is his name. So he says, look here's my story. He goes, I was just an asshole art teacher, atheist type. And I'm out there in, I'm taking the kids on some stupid, you know, thing we have to do it. to do. to do. to do. to do, to do, the, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they, they, they, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th.e.e. th. th. th. th. th. th. their, their, they. their, their, is, their, their, their, there in, I'm taking the kids on some stupid, you know, thing we have to do over in Italy so they can go around and look at art. And I was bitter and I was just a miserable person. And then I died. And when I died, it was the worst, worst or the worst that you can imagine. The smell, the stench, the hellish fire. Everything that you hear about you go to that Sunday school thing. It's right there, this guy says. He goes, man, I can make it up. I can tell you some else, but that's what I experienced. And it was unbelievably horrific. And then I saw a tiny, tiniest little pinpoint of light.

Starting point is 00:58:08 Just, I don't even know how I saw it, but I saw it, and then I'd look back to it, and then slowly it got a little bit brighter, and a little bit brighter, and it drew me to it, and I was taken out. And I was given a different experience. So that's the story we all me to it, and I was taken out, and I was given a different experience. So that's the story we all want to attach on to, right? That's the story we all want to grab onto and say, oh, okay, you're just teaching me a lesson.

Starting point is 00:58:37 I have to see that, you know, I need to change, redemption, all that stuff. It's just a story though. Like you go that, you, you, you, you, you, you Johnny, you go, go to NDRF and search for, because you can search the whole thing. Fear of death. Search for people that had a near death experience with a fear of death. And I haven't done that search, but I guarantee you you will find something interesting there whether you agree there you think it's full of crap or whatever it because it is so common it's incredibly common you know it's it's the base level thing. Oh my god this is incredible dude I know why you have a popular podcast you're incredible to listen to it's a lot of fun to hear you

Starting point is 00:59:22 talk Alex you're good and very good of what you do. I find it so interesting, man. You know, where I am now when I started to show, you know, compared to when I started to show, it's just two totally different things. Even though there's chaos in my personal life, I couldn't be happier. And, you know, all this crazy going on in this world today especially in this country with all these with the election and these riots and all that stuff and it's just like I don't really ever see any of it but I hear about it all the time and I'm being told it's really bad everything's the worst these everybody's, chaos is coming,

Starting point is 01:00:05 Bill Gates's vaccines coming, IDs are, everything's coming, but I don't see it. I don't see it my day-to-day thing. The only thing I experience is occasionally, a tiny Latina lady tells me to put my fucking mask on when I'm at CVS. Outside of that, I really just kind of been living the same life, man. And I'll fly somewhere to do a show, and there's only 100 seats.

Starting point is 01:00:31 But that just seems to be the results of, again, these people turning on the television, everybody being told this bad things coming, blah, blah. And it's just like, it's like the, it's like this, this, this, this horrible, this horrible, this horrible, this horrible, this horrible, this horrible, this and it's just like, there's the only, it's like the, this, this horrible thing that we're living through seems the only really exist in our head. Now, does that mean that people haven't been dying? I mean, there are people, sadly, die all the time. I mean, like, I wish we had come to a point scientifically where we've cured death.

Starting point is 01:01:07 I don't think that day will ever come. And it will always be out there and there will always be. And I make jokes about Johnny. But yeah, Johnny, I don't think I want to die either. I, you know, obviously, I have two children, you know, but you know, they use that fear to stir us up and to control us all the time. All the time. It's all about control and this thought that, hey, man, either you do what we tell you

Starting point is 01:01:31 to do, or guess what? Death is coming. Oh, no, no, no, no, I'll do whatever you want with the mask. I won't go six feet within blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's it's, they, they, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's they's, they's they's they's they's they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they're, they're they're they're, they're, they, they, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the, the. they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they're, they're, they're they're they. tha, tha, tha, tha, you tha. tha. tha. thoooooooo, th because you you brought up a point that I think is super freaking relevant to what we're just talking about and it's relevant to Johnny's question. One of the things it's really cool about what Dr. Jeffrey Long did. New York Times best-selling book it's not like a hidden kind of thing but it just doesn't get the play you know that so he asked about the fear the fear the fear the fear the fear the fear the fear the fear the fear the fear. the fear. the fear. the the the the the the the the the the of the of the of the of the. the. the. the. thi. the. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that's that's thi. that's that's that's that's that's th. that's that's th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. I I I I I I I I I I th. I I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. th. the. the. then. thee. then. I's thin. I'm th. then. I'm thin. I'm th. thin. th. I'm th. th. I'm th, you know, that. So he asked about the fear of death. And Johnny, it's one of the most clear-cut,

Starting point is 01:02:11 transformational, statistically. And this guy's a scientist, in addition to being a medical doctor, so he knows how to do scientific surveys. A lot of people think surveys are just, you know, bullshit. Hey, man, that's how think surveys are just, you know, bullshit. Hey man, that's how they do medical science, right? You took the drug. Did it make it feel better, make it feel worse? That's a survey. So he did a medical survey. Something like 96% or higher of people who have a near-death experience, no

Starting point is 01:02:39 no longer fear death. So that's the one thing clearly we can say. You have a near-death experience, you're not afraid to to to to die to die to die to die to die the thi thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. You're th. You're th. You're th. You're th. You're the the th. You're the th. You're the the their th. You're their th. You're their their their their. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You ti. You ti. It. It. It. It. I ti. It. It's ti. I ti. I te. It's too. I too. It's took, took, took, took, took took, took, took, took, you took, you took, you too. You that's the one thing clearly we can say. You have a near-death experience, you're not afraid to die. Changes that. If you're afraid of it, it changes it. Not that you should go on to it, but you know. No, for sure, for sure. You know, I do a show with a friend of mine named Brian Callan. It's a conspiracy social club. And I brought up like, you know, I want to die violently. I said, like I don't want to drown. Drowning seems horrible. And he goes, no, I almost drowned. And it wasn't that bad.

Starting point is 01:03:12 He goes, what happens is it gets really warm. A warmth comes over you right before you think it's about to go out. And, they pulled them out and he survived. But it's very, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, they pulled them out and he survived. But it's very interesting on that too. And you know, they use this fear of death and they use the fear of sickness and the fear of being broke and all this fear that happens. You know, and it's you know real quick I just want to say like LA is an interesting thing. Everyone comes to LA to live their, you know, to live their dreams. And like right when you're about to go broke, man, LA just gives you something. And just a little piece, and sometimes I wonder if that's good

Starting point is 01:03:51 because it keeps you here for a long time, these little, little breadcrumbs. But that's the universe, man. Right when you think everything's about to keep going and people, they always forget that. It's doom and gloom and right before the point of break, the universe gives you a gift. And you take that gift and you survive, but for some reason you forget about it. And then you start to slowly march back to craziness because you think it's going to engulf you again and then you get a little piece. You know.

Starting point is 01:04:22 Hey, Bill, quick question. What's in a the the it considered like a car crash? Like almost dying, like a heartbeat? Because you said, John, if you experience and isn't everybody's different? What would you? Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, that's an excellent question because when they first started researching that, that's the first thing they had to figure out, okay? what are we going to call a near-death experience? You know some guy says oh geez man semi-truck almost ran me off the road. That is yeah but what you know what it collided with you you would have died is that a near-death experience and here's a thing that complicates it even more. Sometimes people in those experiences will have a lot of the same experiences that people

Starting point is 01:05:07 do who are clinically dead. But to answer your question, most of the research that you would include in the category of near-death experience science was done medically in hospital because the first thing they did is they said, okay, we're going to have a lot of naysayers saying, you know, this and we're gonna study this in a hospital. And then they had to fool around in the hospital, they go, okay, best place, cardiac arrest ward. Because when your heart stops, we know the physiological changes that go through your body.

Starting point is 01:05:40 We've studied them for years. We know the blood flow to the brain. We know that we can measure the brain after that happens. We've done it in animals for a long time and we've done it in humans. So we can make a lot of assumptions about what happens after you have a cardiac arrest. Now, a lot of the skeptical kind of people, skeptics will say, well, they're not really dead. And there may be some, the the they're not really their, they're not really they's they're not really they're not really they's they're not really their, their, thin, thi, well, well, they're not really thi, well, well, well, well, well, well, they're not really their not really thi, well, well, well, well, thi, their, their, their, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, their, well, their, they're, their, they're not, they're not, their, their, their, th...... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. th th that, th th th that, the th the thin, th th thin, th th thin, the the the thin. than, than, than, you know, that's the common skeptic ploy is just, do, let's create something new.

Starting point is 01:06:08 Okay, so we have all this established science about neurology, about how the brain works, the relationship between the heart and brain. But now we have all this data that conflicts it and they go, oh, yeah, maybe there's something going on really deep inside your brain that, you know, even though it doesn't show up on an EG and even though we've never found it before, maybe we'll find it and that'll explain, you know, all this that. Maybe, but that's not how you play the science game. The science game is you can't invent something new that may come in the future to explain

Starting point is 01:06:40 what you want to believe now, that doesn't work that way. Yes. Yes. You know, yes. Yes, I mean everything right now. I just wanted to finish this quick little point about how everything is about the boogie man, dude. Like they create this boogie man and everything is about something's going to come down, whether it's death, plague, crashing economy. I mean, like, what happened to murder hornets?

Starting point is 01:07:08 Where are the murder hornets? Where's the shortage of coins? Where's the running out of ammunition? You hear whispers here and there, but like an actual application? I went in and out. They're like, we're having a shortage of coins. So we're only taking credit card. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I and I and I and I and I and I and a the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thia, thi, thia' is, thoes, thoes, thoes, thoe, like, like, like, th. th. th. th. th. th. thathea, th. thathea, th. thathea, th. thathea, th. thi, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. theanan, thean, thean, thean, theanan, theananananananananananananannea. thea. tha, so we're only taking credit card. I had the guy 20 bucks, he gives me coins and he pays him.

Starting point is 01:07:27 It's like, and it's like it's done on purpose because whoever is doing this feeds off our negative energy. It's just, it's the weirdest thing. And I gotta tell you this one more story, that back, can I tell you a story about the Crowley thing yeah so one of the guys that in the another guy you you might want to have on he's really it's really a character and he's really smart really really smart his name is Jason Horsley have you guys ever heard of him no but I'll interview and he's really dug into the the pedophile thing at a really deep level. But so Horsley used to be a Crowley follower, you know. He was like, he's English, you know, he's like, man, you know,

Starting point is 01:08:13 David Bowie, you know, I was just into the music and I was kind of felt like, kind of Crowley. He had these really rich, rich family, but it was all fucked up, you know, so he's putting a lot of stuff and he just felt that thing, you know, that kids can feel. So he's into Crowley and he's doing all this. And at some point, he realizes just how it's just destroying his life and it's just taking him down all these really negative kind of thing. So he overcomes that and he comes through that and he's a very intellectual guy. He's super smart and he's written all these books.

Starting point is 01:08:49 But here's the point of this. This is like deep dive. This is gin foil hat, classic stuff. So he puts this post out and he's saying, yeah, you know, I think Crowley is bad news, kind of like you were saying. And he gets this guy, have you ever heard this guy Peter Lavenda? No. Peter Lavenda is a very interesting character. Again, very intellectual, very well-respected, has written these these very influential books and it comes across as a total academic, studying this

Starting point is 01:09:24 stuff from afar. And again, what you were kind of alluding to earlier, Sam, with kind of the brow beating, well, son, let me tell you, you know, I've investigated science, you know, because that's where your conversation with Mark, Mark Steve, yeah, he was a super nice guy, but he says, you know, Sam, you know, to be honest, that's kind of an intellectually naive approach you've taken to Crowley because, you know, there's

Starting point is 01:09:49 lazy. So, yeah, intellectually lazy. Donnie, let him talk, please. So on his website, Peter Lavenda, who is big, big, big guy. No, although I gotta just digress one second. You know the Blinkett 182 Tom DeLong UFO thing, right? Yes. Peter Lavenda wrote the book with Tom DeLong.

Starting point is 01:10:15 And Peter Lavenda is like, oh yeah, I couldn't believe it when Tom called me up and said, oh, we gotta get to the bottom of this. He's in that from ground zero, the ground, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. He's, the th. He's, th. He's, the the the th. He's, th. He's, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, too, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. th. the the the the the the the the the to, the to, the today, the the the the the today, the the the b.e, the bli, the bli, the bli, toe.e.e.e.e.e. to get to the bottom of this. He's in that from ground zero Peter Levenda is. The top guy in that thing. And then now he's since then he's kind of back down and goes, well, you know, I was just just helping out Tom DeLong. But back to this story, he gets on Jason's on his thing and and starts brow beating. beating Jason goes, oh you know, no serious academic would say what you're saying about Crowley. And then what he says is what I always hear Crowley people say, oh you don't understand. You know, do what thou wilt. Oh well that's what he

Starting point is 01:10:54 said, but you don't really understand what that means. So Jason again is no intellectual slouch and he starts nailing him with boom and what about this and what about this and a lot of the stuff that you did and lavender is not backing down but what I thought was particularly interesting because in my mind Jason comes out 100% on top Crowley's a creep there's no way around it Crowley's having sex with kids right there. Crowley's abusing people. There's no way around that. Crowley is diddling kids. There's no way around that.

Starting point is 01:11:28 So this again though, what I think is an interesting side note is again that kind of intellectual, academic. I'm from academia. Let me tell you, you know, how intellectually naive and stupid you are with your beliefs you know. Yeah I mean like if you take a look at like comedy and you've seen that happen in the comedy I know you want to talk a little comedy I just want to make one quick point after this thing but Hollywood man something happened to Hollywood where you know the private school

Starting point is 01:12:03 kids came in and listen if you want the private school kids came in. And listen, if you went to private school and you listen to this, I'm not saying you're 100% anything. I have zero problems with you. Everybody's judge on the individual basis, but what we started to see was like, they started taking care of each other. They just had a different handshake. And you just started seeing this implementing of these people to the point, couldn't tell the difference between the entertainer or the suit, the, you know, the industry. They looked exactly like, they were just all circle jerking each other about how great they

Starting point is 01:12:34 were and if you didn't fit into that, all of a sudden you're out. So it's kind of going back to what you're talking about this academia thing where they're like, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the, you, you, the, th, you, you, you, you, you, you, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're the, you're the, you're the, you're, you're the, you're, you're they, you're the the the industry, you're their, you're their, you're the industry, you're the industry, you're, you're, you're the industry, you're, you're, you're, you, you're, you, you, you, you, you, the industry, the industry, the industry, the industry, the industry, the industry, the industry, the industry, the industry, the, the the the industry, the the the the the the they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they. they, they, they, you know, kind kind kind kind, kind, kind, kind they, kind, you know, kind, you're they, you're kind kind kind their, you're kind, the industry, they're like they're super snobs like oh you just don't get Crowley oh you just don't get the comedy that we like or you don't fit into that it becomes I mean like when I say it all time well Malcolm X and the Unabomber say you got to watch out for the super rich liberal kids that I think you're on this out now again I don't judge any like everybody gets an individual outside of male feminist everybody gets an opportunity to you know show that who they are so I have no problems with that I just want to go back real quick and then I want to get a comedy with you they are constantly out here trying to get you to give up your uniqueness and your individualism, and it's all fear. And the truth of the matter is, man,

Starting point is 01:13:29 I can't say this enough and I say it every show, man, nobody's coming to save you. You must save yourself. Stop looking for someone to give you the answers. Stop looking for someone to give you the medicine that's gonna change you. Stop trying to find somebody to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to find to find thiiii in someone someone someone someone someone someone someone someone someone someone someone someone someone someone someone someone to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tooomom sooom sooomomoboing this this this one this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this. This. tooomomomomomomomomp. This. This. This. to get to get to get to find somebody to tell you how to work out and how to raise your kids and all. You have everything inside you. You know, when I have my kids, me and my girl were like, oh my god, how are we going to do this?

Starting point is 01:13:55 Guess what? We just did it. We just do it. You just got to do it yourself, man. man, everything is about fear and gloom and guess what? Nobody, and I mean nobody, can control you. They can't. You are your own God. You have to understand that. You're very special and you need to control. Nobody can control you. And that's, you know, my big push right now to do shrooms with black people, even though I'm joking right now, but it really is about getting these people, getting people to unplug to them to unplug them. you you you you you you you. You to to to to to to to to control you. You. You to to control you. You. You to control you. You. You to control you. to control you. to control you. to control you. to control you. to control you. to control you. to control you can to control you. to control you. to control you can to control you can't to control you can't to control you can't to control you can't to control you. They. They. They to control you. to control to control to control to control to control to control to control to control. to control. to control. to control. to control. to control. to control. to control to control to to control to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to the to the to the to the the the to the the the the the to the the the to the to to but it really is about getting these people, getting people to unplug from the system and understand how special they are and stop worrying about things happen in the past, stop thinking this group of people are out to get them, and just understand you control you.

Starting point is 01:14:42 We could talk about, and this is Sam speaking, not Alex speaking, we could talk about percentage of people in jail versus percentage of the population. But what we never talk about is why is there a large group of people that aren't in prison? And what are they doing to not get into prison? Why don't we ever promote that? And it goes back to what you're talking about with the West Memphis 3. Why are we talking Satanic panic and we're not talking about what happened in the car, what happened in the interrogation room?

Starting point is 01:15:14 Because that doesn't fit into the narrative. And the narrative is doom and gloom institutional racism. Am I saying there's not institutional racism? No. But if you don't feed into it, it's not good to affect you. Now, Sam's a white guy, he lives in America, he doesn't understand it. I'm telling you, brother, if you guys walk free and be your own man, your own woman, dude, you can get out of the matrix, man. Stop watching the news. Just from a practical standpoint, let's put Sam up on the top of the matrix man. Stop watching the news. Just from a practical standpoint,

Starting point is 01:15:45 let's put Sam up on the top of the pyramid, but give him the responsibility of controlling this mess, I think after a little while, you might be doing some of those same things. You might be playing some of those same games. You know, whether you're left or right, you look at the extremes and you go, I don't want that son of a bitch voting. I don't want, you know, if you're left, you look somebody on the right, you go,

Starting point is 01:16:10 I don't want him on that voting booth, and if you're on the right and you look at that ant of a crazy, you know, I don't want them in the voting booth, and you wind up kind of what you're saying with religion. , I the the thian, I thian, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, thing, thin, they, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, than, th th th to save you, you've got to appreciate on some level, you'd probably wind up rigging the game somewhat similarly to control the whole thing and not part of the package. I get that. What I'm trying to say is like, like, you know, everybody's crying about censorship on Facebook. Hey, guess what? Facebook can only censor you if you're on Facebook. If you're not on Facebook, they can't censor you.

Starting point is 01:16:53 So, hey, if you're not, you know, it's all about paying attention. That's what I'm trying to say. If you're paying attention to it, you're putting your energy into it. If you pull out of this, okay? I mean, like, dude, I've been pulled over by the cops 18 times in LA. I ask anybody, have you been pulled over more? No, what's the difference?

Starting point is 01:17:14 Am I an asshole? Or am I a bad driver? Some might say, yeah, Johnny believes that. But you know, it's like, you know, it's like everybody, listen man, nobody rides for free, that's my opinion. Can it be worse? Can it be better? Sure, man. But the point is, man, stop paying attention to it. Stop putting your energy into it.

Starting point is 01:17:31 That's all I'm trying to say. Totally. Totally. You know, and that's it. And it's like, you know, so we're getting into comedy. now a political correctness, a sad day today. The oldest comedy club in the country looks like it's closing, which is Dangerfields in New York. Really sad. You know, do you think it makes it through?

Starting point is 01:17:54 I mean, one of the memes that I think is kind of, I highly suspect is socially engineered whenever I hear it, is the new normal? Because they came without with that then the first few weeks they're like new normal new normal I got how the hell do you know this is the new normal and now we're all like wow what's the new normal what's the new normal with comedy man you know so when the Travis Stock Institute was like hey hey hey hey hey new normal exactly right new normal everyone's right. New normal. Everyone's like,

Starting point is 01:18:26 boom, I'm gonna get my bonus at the Travest Talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, totally cool. Well, see, I'm gonna give my bonus. That's awesome, right? So, what is going on right now in comedy is a war, dude. There is a war going on. And it is a war, dude. There is a war going on and it is a war between what we've been talking about, the intellectual snobs versus the free thinkers. And it's happening right now.

Starting point is 01:18:55 In front of our eyes, New York City is really great. We have a, you know, compound media. We have the lead, you know, gas digital, putting out the raw comedy that a lot of people love. And you see this big pushback from the alt scene. And you know, long time ago I said this, but now it seems to be everywhere. I'm not saying I create it, but I think it's probably out there. It's one of those things when you think something, suddenly you notice everybody saying it's it's this weird thing. But, I I I I I I I I I I I I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi, the the thi, the the the the the the the the the thi, the the thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, theei. thei. theiiiii. theiiiiiii. thi. thi. the thi, the thi, there. It's one of those things when you think something, suddenly you notice everybody's saying it, it's this weird thing, but go woke, you know, go woke, stay broke, or be woke, go broke. And you see that in comedy happening right now.

Starting point is 01:19:34 And you got a bunch of woke comics, trying to silence some free thinkers. And it is a war, and they're're try they'll come after you They'll have the tech company censor you. They'll put pressure on your sponsors but I what people are starting to learn is like the fans of these comics that are being attacked are Rider die if I was a sponsor and I saw the way Joey Diaz's fans just circled the wagons around him and was like not today not today you know I would be like that's the show I want a sponsor because those people love him dude and they're going to show up. And it's just happening right now. I mean if you watch Bill Burr's

Starting point is 01:20:30 monologue on Saturday Night Live, you know, they're how did he slip through man? Because he got you know he got undeniable. That's really where you got to get to. You just got to get to where you're undeniable. That's really where you gotta get to. You just gotta get to where you're undeniable. So what happened with Rogan, right? Same thing. Yeah, it's Spotify, they can't, they can't cancel him because he's just, you can't. I'd rather fire, I'd rather than him. Yeah, I mean, we've talked, they've tried to necat that dude. He's just, he's something like they've never seen before. Did you hear about the meeting? You can almost visualize it, you know, with those Europeans,

Starting point is 01:21:10 you know, sitting around the table, I'm like, we're going to, we're going to quit. If you don't, you know, Joe Rogan. He's like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, take your foot off the gas there. You know what I would have been like, in Kill Bill where I would have jumped on the table walked over to that person pulled out my knife cut the head off and go if any you motherfuckers ever bring up that we're gonna get rid of Joe Rogan I'll cut your fucking head off I would have been Jeremy Piven in entourage with a fucking paint gun be like we want fired boom you're fired boom boom, you're fired, boom, you're fired. Boom, you're fired. And it's just like, it's my theory that,

Starting point is 01:21:51 and I say it's all the time, and people probably hearing it, women make the rules of society, men make the rules of business. And what this is, this political correctness is trying to take the rules the rules the rules the rules the rules the rules the rules the rules the rules the rules the rules the rules the rules the rules the rules the rules the rules the rules the rules the rules the rules the rules trying to take the rules of society into business. And what these employees don't understand. And I am a pro-employee guy. I hate when businesses, fuck employees over. I don't like it.

Starting point is 01:22:12 But in this instance, the employees who are making a very good wage at Spotify are trying to affect business. And that's gone too far. Your personal feelings don't matter. It's the most popular show ever. It's not preaching hate, it's asking questions. You need to shut up. You don't like the show, don't listen to it. It's very simple. Those guys need to go. They've affected stock prices based on the rumblings going on in that business. You are affecting our business right now. If you don't like it, go over to the other. It. It. It. It, it. It, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their, it, it, it, it's their their, it's to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the other, the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other the other. the other. the other the other. the other business. the other business, the other the other business, the other too, the other to to to the other to to to to to to to to to the other. It's to to to the rumblings going on in that business. You are affecting our business right now.

Starting point is 01:22:46 If you don't like it, go over to the other place, man. Stitcher's hiring, okay? Go have a great time at Stitcher. But you talked about low-ass fans. You know how many people, Joey Diaz got given him a dollar? How many? 13,000 people. Andrew Schultz is making $80,000. How much do you think Rogan would make if you open a Patreon? All of it? Exactly. So at the end of the day, I mean, if they get rid of him, he could always end of doing that. Imagine. They're not going to get rid of him. You have the Johnny Carson. I would tell you even more powerful than Johnny Carson.

Starting point is 01:23:22 You have the Johnny Carson of Modern Day, exclusively on your channel. Why would you get rid of him? You can replace employees. There's one Joe Rogin. I agree. He's deep in, you know, in our psyche, you know, and it's like we, you've got a hat's off to him. You just have to. Like, he drives me nuts so much the time because, like, like, like, like he's so, he's he's he's he's he's he's he's so, like, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's so, he's hats off to him. You just have to like I he drives me nuts so much the time because like like he's so his 9-11 thing come on it's nine it's just why are we like you know it's like real man they did that thing it's an inside

Starting point is 01:23:59 fricking job come yeah yeah here's my opinion on that we've seen in real time what happens when Joe Rogan goes off. thi thi thi thi it's an the thin it's thi it's an thi it's an thi it's an the thi's an thi thi thi the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the thi thi thi thi the tho. tho. It's an the the tho. It's an th. It's an th. It's the th. It's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the the the the ty. ty. ty. ty. theeeeeeeeeeeee. thee th on that. We have seen in real time what happens when Joe Rogan goes off the official narrative, which is the universe loses its skull and the internet melts down. So he has to pick these particular things that he's willing to go in on. Because if he goes fall Hat on everything, every morning he wakes up,

Starting point is 01:24:27 his fucking phone is just gonna be on fire from all the tax and all the emails and all the tweets of people losing their skulls. It's like- So why are you doing, why you doing tinfoil hat like this? No, because I mean that seriously. Because I don't get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to the the the the the the to the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. to. too. too. tiphau. tiphau. tiphau. tiphau. tip. tip. tooom. tooom. their. their. their. their. the t seriously. Well, hold it, you know, you you got to give a thought because you got to get paid. I don't got to get paid. Yeah. But you got to get paid. Yeah. You know, is that? How do you do that, man? I mean, that's a... Here's my whole thing. I can't. Dude, I tell you this with all sincere honesty and truth. I would never want to be in the position Rogan

Starting point is 01:25:06 is because every word, every word is analyzed by a thousand people looking to take you down. You know, it's like this show I can interview anybody. I had an animal psychic con. A couple people's got angry. But you know, I had a great time talking about it. It depends on which the show started because I just wanted to figure out. I loved conspiracies and I, it dawned on me like, oh, why aren't I talking about that? I didn't even know there were conspiracy podcasts out there. I just said, I just want to do it. You know, my best friend was Eddie Bravo. You know, him and I had I had I I I had I had I had was more into geopolitics at the time discussing why they wanted to take out Syria and it was

Starting point is 01:25:49 because they wanted a pipeline from Qatar to the Baltic Sea and that's what's really about. And so I started getting it. And now here we are, you know, we're discussing the West Memphis 3 and I love it. So it's a combination of like, I do three shows a week. Why do I do three shows a week? Because it's honestly like just every day I get a new audio book and I get to listen to people like you and these other people come on and I do the old school which is even older than books way of gaining knowledge which is storytelling. So it's like I really love and on top of that I can, know sell some ads so I can pay for my children's you know to live in a nice place and take care of them. And obviously to my best of my abilities take care of the boys because that's another goal of mine. to make this so this is the only thing that they're doing. And that's it, man. It scratches all my itches.

Starting point is 01:26:45 But like getting too big, like, man, when that whole thing with Joey Diaz, Chris, Lee, and Brian Calum, gone down, man, I was never more thankful that Joe didn't have me on a show for seven years. I'm like, tickets anywhere I go. And that's all I've ever really wanted, man. And I like shooting my own stuff and I like having my friends on the show

Starting point is 01:27:13 and talking to people like you that I would normally never even met. And it's like, and listening to you and how well spoken you are, man, these are like the blessings for me. th and th and th and th and th.. th. th. th. th. th. thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, and I, and I'm, and I'm, th. thin, I, and I'm, and I'm, th. thi, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I thin, I thin, I'm, thin, thin, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, that's, th. And, that's, that's, th. And, th. And, th. And, are, man, these are like the blessings for me. So that's why I started to show. And to be honest with you, man, Joe Rogan's show started. I was on like a couple of the first episodes. It was like him talking to his friends in his side room at his house. And it was like talking comedy. And then, you know, in my personal opinion, what blew that show up was that he was the, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the, the, the, the, the, the, you know, the John Madden of the UFC, like he was the guy that added color to this sport that we've never seen before. He's fantastic. He is fantastic. You know, you got to get hats off to him for that. Yeah. You know, I always, you know, I said in front of him and the theater. the and how to be in the moment. And the, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. the, the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. And, the the the the the the the the the the the they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they, they. And, they, they, they, they, they, they, they. And, they. And, they. And, the reason you're so good is you understand the theater. You understand the theater and how to be in the moment. And they both look to me like I was like an idiot, but I go, I stand by what I'm saying.

Starting point is 01:28:10 Like, that guy understands theater. There's a million guys out there that could say the craziest stuff. And there's a million guys who know all the details of everything, but no one can combine them the way Joe Rogan does and then taking that. So you had like a million buys, right? I'm one of the early, the early pay-per-views. All those people, when they found out he had a podcast, they all went there.

Starting point is 01:28:36 And it just started growing and growing and growing. And it was just a perfect storm. Just like I think Rhonda Rousie was perfect. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, th, thi, thi, the, the, the, thi, tho, tho, th, the, their, their, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, the th, and th, and thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thiii, toguuuuill, toge, tho, thi, thi, thi, theousy was perfect storm. This moment happened, they wanted to have a female champion and she was just dominant enough at that moment to blow it up. If Ronda Rousie comes today, that doesn't happen again. It's the perfect moment and that's why I think Joe, Joe Rogan would always be a big, would it be this big? I don't know, but it would be big because if he's got a black belt and talking, but it's like it's a perfect storm of stuff. So that's kind of what I like to do. I mean like my whole theory on it. And you know, what I brought to the conspiracy world is I brought working together. That's my biggest thing I brought to all these other podcasts because

Starting point is 01:29:21 they were a lot like comics. early in like the 90s, which was more of a boxing mentality where it's like there was only one opportunity to get in, you know, to get the leading role, to get the, you know, the hosting gig to, you know, get the special. Now it's like, we don't need any of that shit. And we could all work together. And like, I think that's the one that's that's that's the one. that's that's that's the one. that's the one. that's the one. the one. that's the one. the one. the one. the one. the one. the one. the one. the one's the one. the one the one the one the o' the o' the o' the o' the o' the o'er. the opportunity. the opportunity. the o' the opportunity. the o' the o'er's the opportunity. the o' the o'er's the o'er's the o'er. the o'er. the they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. there's they. there's there's only. they. there's only. they. they. there's only. there's only. there's only. there's only. there's only. there's only. there's only. there's only. there's only. there's only. there's only. there's think that's one thing that I got a bunch of like, you started that swap casting way, way, way, way before anyone else did. You know, it was nice to do my show. It was genius, there's genius to do. Because you're right. I mean, everyone was kind of sitting on the sidelines like, you know,

Starting point is 01:29:55 you can't have my, you can't have my subscribers. I ain't have yours. But, you know, because the other thing I think that is in that is that, and I just meant this so sincerely, like at the beginning, like, I'm taking notes, guys, you know, and like, you guys are saying stuff and like, back, one more thing on the, I'm still blown away by the Crowley thing when you guys say, oh, yeah, and did you know, Rudolph Hess is on a plane. This is Mark. Hat's off to Mark. He's on a plane and he has his cape on with sigils and he's ready to do battle with Elsa. I'm like, boom, mind blown. I never heard that before. But that's this spirit of just like, hey, we all have learned a couple of little things and we're really trying to figure it out. We're not holding on to and we're like, hey, do you know you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you th you th you th you th you th you th you th you know th you know th th th th th. Do you know th. Do you know th. tho thi thi, tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. to to to to to to to to toeee. toe. toe. toe. to toe. to tho we're like, hey, do you know about this? How does that fit into your thing? That's awesome, that's the only way we can do it.

Starting point is 01:30:48 Yeah, it's just a puzzle, dude. And like every day it changes, I'm not afraid to be wrong. I think that's a big problem in this country. People would rather be right than do right. And sometimes to do right, you have to admit you were wrong, or you're back the wrong guy, or you just got the situation wrong.

Starting point is 01:31:15 And people, the egos are just too strong, Alex, man, I could talk to you forever. I don't know how this happened, but I'm super blessed that you did come on the show and talk to a couple like, you know, a couple street guys like us. You know, I love it. I must, you know, very rarely do I listen to podcast because I just like to work free. I don't know why sports radio seems to be a, but I'm gonna check out your podcast man and give it a nice listen. I'm to th. Do listen. Do listen. Do th. Do listen. Do th. Very th. Very th. Very th. Very th. Very th. Very th. Very th. Very th. Very th. Very th. Very th. Very th. Very to, I'm like, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very th. I'm, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. th. th. th. radio seems to be a, but I think I'm going to check out your podcast, man, and give it a nice listen, start from the beginning and just kind of, I don't know why, man, I'm like, why am I, like, I'm really starting to get over sports, which is very hard because it's such a big part of my life. If I was a Dodgers fan, I'd it's just like just all the just the inserting of politics and just, you know,

Starting point is 01:32:09 You know, it's like creating it so the bigger markets get into things for the ratings and not allowing like the actual Competition to happen like just it kind of just that's turned me off man like I don't know if that maybe that was happening in the 80s and the 90s and they they just kneecap to so Boston would take on LA to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the to the the the th the the the the the the they., they. they. they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the inserting.auert.s.s.s.s.s.s.s.s. inserting. inserting. the the the the the the the the the the inserting.s.s.s. the that was happening in the 80s and the 90s and they they just kneecap to so Boston would take on LA all the time but it just didn't seem like it or they were way better at hiding it. And just now it's so blatant it's just really turned me off because like it's like the one place we could go to kind of get away from everything and not you know I have a the a political podcast, but you know, it's like these athletes, they don't get it. It's like, imagine if you went to a restaurant, and every time your waiter came up,

Starting point is 01:32:51 she had to tell you why Joe Biden is the best candidate. You'd be like, I don't want to go that fucking restaurant all the time. And it's like, there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was a there was a there was a there was a there was a there was a their their their. where nobody was getting political and people like Jim Brown and Bill Russell and Cremel Dujabar we were like we have to have a conversation about this. That was you know just real quick you know what in our family my wife's a brilliant woman and she's a forensic psychologist but she's from Alabama and she's a big Auburn fan and that was a thin the thin the thi to the ti. You know watch SEC football you know just on Saturdays the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the thi. the thi. the thi. the thi. the thi. thi. thi. thi. the thi. to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. We's. We's. We's. We's. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. ti. ti. ti. time. I time. I time. I time. I time. I ti. I ti. I ti. I ti. I ti. I ti. I that was a thing we used to do all the time is you know Watch SEC football, you know just on Saturday

Starting point is 01:33:28 And we record all the shows and watch them all week and this I can't do it anymore. And she's really bummed I'm like I just it's taken all the pleasure. I just I don't I don't watch any of them anymore. They've sucked it out of thrown. It's just. I don't. I don't. I. I don't. I. I. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. I don't know if that was the plan or not, but I'm with you on that. It's just when ESPN destroyed the Big East basketball, that was the end of like college sports where you could have somebody like Villanova or your BYU show up out of nowhere and win the national championship because that's what sports was. It was like my boys versus your boys and doesn't matter what the name on the Jersey is, the best wins. And then ESPN started like just to try to get the big five. You remember that?

Starting point is 01:34:13 Oh, we gotta have the big five. How about we put it down in Orlando and put Pexa glass all, I mean, I can't look at it. And it's just like, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, and it's, you, and it's, you, you, and it's, you, you, and it's, you, th, th, th, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's, that's, that's, that, that, that's, that's, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th. that, th. th. that, th, that, that, th, th, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th, that, that, that, that, th, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, the, th't look at it. And it's just like, you know, you're like telling me about how bad institutional racism here and then you're just like, don't question the Chinese government. I'm like, what are you doing, dude? At what point it's like, how much money do you need?

Starting point is 01:34:39 Before you start going, hey man, people are being treated very poorly over there and they would like that over here and I think we gotta say no today. Alex, thank you so much for coming up. One more time tell us about your podcast and where they can find it. Skeptico man with you, the K, it's been super great, it's been just great, great, love it. Appreciate it very much. Alex, man, I would love to have a Paw with you down the line again. Anytime, you're one of the more enjoyable people that we've had to talk.

Starting point is 01:35:10 Everybody comes on, been a lot of fun, but for some reason, I really enjoyed having a conversation with you today. And I hope we could do it again soon, okay? We'll do it again. You get down here to San Diego, here to San Diego you let me know man. Dude I mean I just wish like Texas or Nevada would annex San Diego so it's not part of California I want to move dollars so but you Greg Carwood are the smart ones like San Diego's where it's at? where's that? You also don't want to get too cheap right because then everybody would move there. It's like it's expensive for a reason I appreciate you Alex we'll do it again soon. guys thank you so much for to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get. to get. to get. to get. to get. to get. to get. to get. to get. to get. to get. to get. to get. to get. to get. to get. to get. to get. to get. to get. to get. to get. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I the. I. I the. I. I the. I'm. I'm. I'm. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. I the. I the. I the. I go. I'm. I'm. I'm. I the. I there. It's like it's expensive for a reason. I appreciate you Alex. We'll do it again soon. Guys, thank you so much for tuning.

Starting point is 01:35:47 Thanks, guys. I love you. We'll do it again soon. Take care. We go deep home boy. Eric, open your mind. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. There's... You just blew my mind.

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