Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #412: The Secret History of Lyme Disease and Bioweapons with Kris Newby

Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to Timfall Hat in 2021. Let's go deep! Timfoil Hat. Oh, what the fuck are you guys even talking about? Global controls will have to be imposed. And a world governing body will be created to enforce them. Welcome to Tinfoil Haas. We go deep home boy Aaron open your mic Drink from the fountain of knowledge There's lizard people everywhere That's some interdimensional

Starting point is 00:00:35 Yeah Wake up Aaron This is only the beginning There you just blew my mind. Are you ready to get your mind down? Good morning, Swarm, and welcome to Tint Foil Hat. You know I am. You know I'm here to do. I'm here too.

Starting point is 00:00:56 Rah. There we go. Hell, hell. The gang's all here. Sitting in this whole weekend is, uh, just for the week. It's Xavier, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. to. to. the. to-a. to-a. to-a. to-a. to-a. Good, to-a. Good, thi. Good, this whole weekend is just for the week. It's Xavier Guerrero. Uh-huh, what's up? Because you guys know I demoted him for making a chick with a fat, gorgeous ass, a local celebrity. So for the whole week he's just sitting in. He's no longer co-hosts. He's sitting in. Joining me as my co-host Johnny Woodard everybody.

Starting point is 00:01:25 Oh, I don't know how I feel about that. What, Johnny, you went too far? Did he go too far or? Yes, everyone agrees she had a gray ass and it was a pimp move, okay? But we can't just be thrown out local celebrities everybody, like everyone's a local celebrity. She is a ten-fourth fan. Okay, all right. You're still on probation. I got, as soon as I saw that, I sent it to Sam. I was like, actually, he's living the life. Living the life, bro, you're living my

Starting point is 00:01:49 young life. I'm too old. I just want to sleep. So, Xavier Guerrero, how is we don't smoke the same? Is it burning up the charts? Oh, yeah, we rock and rolling and rolling. It's been a good show. th. We th. We th. We the th. We th. We th. We th. We the th. We th. We th. We th. We're th. We're th. the th. th. th. th. th. the th. the th. th. th. th. th. the the the th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the life. I's living. I's living. the life. I's. I's. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. It. It. It. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t th. the the the edition, so we partied live till 12 o'clock. You can check that out that just released on YouTube, so check it out on any podcast app, any check us out. Dude I celebrated New Year's. I celebrated East Coast New Year's at 9 and was in bed by 10. That's how I am, dude. Is that the first New Year's where it was early Sam? Yeah. I mean, because the year, the year before that, last year, 2019, I was doing what the

Starting point is 00:02:31 comedy store called the cycle. I did all three rooms in one night. And of course, Louis Gomez, who I love with all my heart, hey dude, you got to close it out, the Leeds of Skanks show. They're partying. Because, no, I'm not not I th th th th th I th I th I th th I th I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the th th th the th thi the thi the th thin the year th th the year tho that thi, I don't tho tho tho tho tho- I tho- I the year the year the year the year the year the year the year the year the year the year the year the year the year the year the year th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th th th. I don't th. I don't thin, I don't than, I don't than. I don't than. I don't that that that that that thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. I the. I th, why am I closing out to lead you to Skank Show? Because they're partying. Because, no, you could you, I don't know, I'm not gonna say what he said, but he gave me a very nice compliment. But so, um, so yeah, so that's what it was. So I stayed up last year and then this year.

Starting point is 00:02:56 And then this year it's like, I'm just just gonna gonna gonna gonna gonna gonna gonna gonna gonna gonna gonna. I th. I'm just gonna gonna gonna gonna. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna. th. that ghost thing that was on travel channel yesterday or two days yesterday yeah a lot of I had mixed emotions about well you know so supposedly the guy was a big Brody Stevens fan and he's like Brody are you there so I mean the lights flickered yeah according to them say I love I love how John I don't believe it well no no I'm the the the the the I'm the the I'm the the I'm th I'm th I'm th I'm th I'm th I'm th I'm th I'm th I'm th I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in I'm in th th the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. I'm th. I'm the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th I love how giant don't believe this shit. No, no, no, no, I'm not. I'm in on Gus, dude, I go deep on that, like for real. Yeah. But no, I'm just curious what you think about. Because one thing that I thought was bad.

Starting point is 00:03:34 One thing that I thought was a little Lee saw that seance, which we know that seance was fucking what's his name doing the Andy Kaufman, you know, it was like Lily Tomlin and the people doing this funny sort of trying to get Andy Kaufman. Yeah, what's the guy's name? Yeah, I was named Bob Zamuda. It was Bob Zamuda and those guys doing, you know, you know, and that's Bobby the to see that. I've seen ghosts there Johnny just so you know. Yeah, I've heard a lot of people. Yeah, I have. So I was interested in that. You know, I thought it's fascinating. I got my own appellations. I don't know why of all the comics that work the comic store they use Jay Moore. I don't understand that in any way shape or form. You know, I just don't get it. I don't get why they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they th. I don't. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't that. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't th. I don't the. I don't know't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't the. I don't the. I don't th. I don't th. I don't get that and that's for a whole different reasons. But you know, it's just like there's some people live and die by that place. Like Freddie Lockhart's got a great fucking story about seeing a table fucking fly. Well, and somebody's got one about the chairs like stacking themselves up to? Yeah. Well, Carla Bow, uh, Carla Bow is going through some stuff right now, thoughts and prayers may pull through it. Um. Um. Um. Um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, like, like, their, their, their, their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. their th. their the. their some, the, thoughts and prayers, may pull through it.

Starting point is 00:04:47 Carl Boe is the story about he was doing stand-up and like it's like there were ghosts everywhere. Like everybody was still there's ghosts everywhere and he's like ghost be gone and like. Wait that sounds just like what Jay Moore said though. Oh he is that literally the tale Jay Moore said he was Moore said he was on stage and everybody froze, like, and nobody was laughing. Oh, that's Carl Lowe story. Oh, that's Carl the Boat story. And then he said, ghost be gone. That's Carl Boat.

Starting point is 00:05:12 By the way,? Oh yeah, dude, we did our podcast there for the first three years I was here. Do we've seen orbs there? Yeah, it's creepy down there. We've seen shit down there. You won't even know how to get there if you don't know. It's funny though. Because I never got any bad vibes. I thought it was funny how when they filmed downstairs, they never showed like the finished part of it where the nice studio is. They just showed that shitty area

Starting point is 00:05:46 where they got shit thrown up on the side, you know, that looks like it's like a fallout shelter. Dude, I heard shit. Jeff Scott being on there was cool though. Oh, Jeff Scott is a staple there. You know, with the showtime time thing thing thing thing thing thing thing thing thing thing thing thing thing th, know you know Mike Binder crushed it you know getting 30 pounds of comedy into a 10 pound bag I would like to see Jeffrey Rock I mean Jeff Jeff Scott and I can think of some things I could have cut back on to put Jeff Scott would

Starting point is 00:06:15 have been nice that's the that's my biggest maybe that little but he did I mean like like it's so good to the comedy store I mean like that doc was so insanely good and then this thing you know I just I'm sad I'm that I'm that I'm the the the the that I'm the the the the the that I'm the the that I'm the the the that I'm the the the that I'm that's that's the that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the the the the the the the the that's that's that's that's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to. to. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the comedy store. I mean like that doc was so insanely good. And then this thing, you know, I just, I'm sad that the store can't reap the benefits of being open and being more packed than it was. Sucks, man. It sucks. Anyways, guys, a lot of great stuff going on. Uh, you know, I got a lot of podcast. And a lot of people know that. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, I'm, I'm, I, I'm that, I'm that, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I'm, I, I, I'm, I, I, I, I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that, I'm that, I'm sad. that, I'm sad. that, I'm sad. tha. tha. tha. tha. that. that. that. that. I'm sad. I'm sad. I of podcasts and a lot of people know that. I have a broken simulation podcast with Johnny, we're setting up a regular schedule of that.

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Starting point is 00:07:26 and they all discuss we just did UFO and disclosures on that we got a European one coming up we're doing a crypted one Bitcoin all that stuff it's all your favorite podcasters and researchers all under one roof with the Grand America guys Whitney Webb's been on it, you name it, they've all been on there so check that's the union of the unwanted. I now have to announce my brand new podcast. It's called Cash Daddies, it's called Cash Daddies, it's called Cash Daddies, it's my new investment show. I love, dude, I love that name, man.

Starting point is 00:07:56 I saw it on your schedule. I was like, what is cash daddies is my new investment show because I don't know anything about investing and like I was sitting there going hey dude let's you know it's like like you got all these internet rich people right you're like your podcast is doing well you got some money coming in like I mean if you are looking a sponsor we are looking for new sponsor yeah if you like to watch Mexican smoke weed and you think that brand is yours go check it out okay hit him up hit him the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th I I th. th. I th. I th. I the the th. I th. I th. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the think that brand is yours, go check it out. Okay?

Starting point is 00:08:26 Hit me up. Hit him up. I'll wear anything you want me to on camera or to wear nothing at all. I'll get tattoo. Johnny, how much does that cost? Yeah, what's the price? Yeah, what's surprised? Yeah, because I'm willing to get that go fun and funn't. It's a lot. It's a lot. Okay, just know it's out there. Put out a number. The swarm is thirsty.

Starting point is 00:08:46 It's a lot, but it's not as much as you might think. Okay. That should be on a t-shirt. But what's cash daddies? Cash daddies is an investment show for everybody, but in particular internet rich people. Okay. Like, you know, it's like, you're making all this money,

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Starting point is 00:09:40 take phone calls like advice and so maybe down the line I don't know I'm more controlled on that but you you know and then go check out my patrons go to patron.com slash tin foil hat. That is that is cooking with gas three a week of some AMAs and then whatever is the hot topic I just broke down Lynn Woods tweets that are going on a lot of crazy shit is going on. Guys, we are entering conspiracy Christmas right now, okay? This week is going to be the best. One of us is going to make money and one of us is about to go broke. I think that's really why you're going to move out of your place. Because you're not going to have rent. Uh, you're going to, you know so many apologies. I'm willing to do it. I'm willing to do it. So check that out. My show with Brian Callin called the Conspiracy Social Club,

Starting point is 00:10:29 aka Deepwaters, that is available as well. He had his dad on. We had her dad on. I find it absolutely hilarious that there are people out there that think I was going to get in an argument with my good friend's dad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that the th. the th. the th. that that th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the the the the the the the the the th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. ta. ta. te. te. te. toda. te. toda. out the beginning. Yeah, right out the gate, he's ready to go. He's ready to go. You know, but it's like, that's not me, man. Now, when I do the Brian Cowan show that hopefully tomorrow, I'm gonna light Brian up

Starting point is 00:10:56 because I respectfully with all due respect and love, disagree with a lot of stuff that Big Mike said. Doesn't mean I don't like them? Doesn't mean he, I'm a shill or he's a shill. I'm just not raised like that to be, like if your parents walk in, I'd show them nothing but love and respect. There's no reason, that's what they want us to do. They want us to be at war with each other, you know, it's like it's just meant to be fun.

Starting point is 00:11:26 It's crazy. And like a lot of you guys are like, you're a shill. Tell me what I'm shilling for and what I'm getting out of this. Yeah, if he's a show, he's the worst chill. The worst shill ever. What am I shilling for? Like it's like makes no everything is like earned man there's nothing how many podcast you have I have dude So I'm gonna break this down like this listen we try to count a punch drunk we got up to like eight I think like total including like the YouTube shows like the cooking show yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it is hot so basically Cave man they say worked about 15 hours a week they said a week week? A week? A caveman. Caveman.

Starting point is 00:12:05 Just getting to meet. That was like me in college. Getting meat and call and then a couple bangings and then you hang out with a stick so the animal doesn't call. Yeah, because what can you do once the sun goes down. Right? Caveman. Yeah, so you're chilling, you're talking, shit. That's it. That's it. I'm about that. That's what. That's what. That's what. that's what. that's what. that's what. that's what. that's what. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. the. the. I. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. the. the. th. th. the. th. th. the. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. But I enjoy all of it. I enjoy it and you know I got I got a couple things for my dad probably crippling sex addiction. But I also got I also got you know I also got a work. You know I also got you know a work. My dad had 90 jobs. My mom had a lot of work she was going to school and she was doing that. My dad the same way. You know and I and so I work a lot of jobs man. I'm doing. I'm th. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm the. I'm. I'm. I'm the. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. Ithe same way. You know? And I, so I work a lot of jobs, man. I'm doing catch up, you know? I'm like, I'm blessed, like, the business model finally has fit my skill set. Well, also, I'm going to ask you this, what are you finally, are you feeling like

Starting point is 00:13:00 now that you've kind of reached your audience, you know what I mean? That you gotta get milk it while it's there, you know what I mean? Like reach the people while they're there to be reached. Yeah, but it's also like... Because I feel like they could take this all away from us at any time, like this technology. I just feel like the government could just like... I mean it's definitely possible is the new oil and they they need it and maybe they'll switch the internet it's possible maybe I'm in a FEMA camp either way I'm going out banging dog I'm going out banging but it's like I create podcast about two things because I never want work what I'm love talking about punch drunk conspiracies right punch punch punch oh yeah check out

Starting point is 00:13:40 punch drunk me junct oh yeah check out punch me Johnny and Jason Tibo. It's a great sports podcast. Yes. And we talk sports. I know sports is rigged, but you know, I still love talking about it. Yeah, I mean people talk about W-W-E. It's, we know it's scripting. Yeah, you can watch it. And then I'd either do what I love about, what I love and then what I, uh, what I want to, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, uh, uh, to, uh, uh, to, uh, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to, th. to, to, to, th. th. to.'m Rockfinn.okfine.com and zero and that's been cooking with gas and then you know I want to learn about finances. I'm not interested really in stock markets but I want to know about gold and silver and Bitcoin and I know the IRA is kind of part of

Starting point is 00:14:19 that but like you know housing and you know fucking getting. Speaking of Bitcoin. How you doing Sam? How he's doing good look at him yeah but it's looking like it's going back down which I'm fine with because everyone's like sell sell I'm like no I'm running this thing for a while that's the move the long haul the long haul so that's it if you want sports show we got some brand new t-shierts I don't to be I'm a true told the the the to to the to tru I'm to tru I'm to to tru tru tru tru tru tru tru tru tru tru tru true true to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tb I tb I tb I tb I'm tb tb tb tb tb the tb. the the tf. the the the tru. the tru. the tb. tb. tb. tb-s. to to to to to to tb-s. t-shirts out. I can't I don't see on the website at this moment but it will be Trumpzilla shirts wait to see this one it's on fire so it's a great way sports go Trumpzilla we got swarm troopers if you love the man Dolorian you love swarm troopers and yeah dude that's it man go check that out and then we got cups mugs hats at tinfoil hat swag dot com.com. So Timfoil Hat, T-Swag.

Starting point is 00:15:05 So ti-shirts.com, that's where you get the t-shirts. Timfoil Hat, Swag, where you get the cups. All that will soon be on Sam Tripoli.com. So enjoy the show. We got a great show. How good. this show we got Chris Newby on and she's talking bioweapons from the government. It it it is is. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It's. It's. It's. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. talking bio weapons from the government. It is, I gotta be honest with you man, it's one of the best episodes we've done. And like about 45 minutes in I'm like, oh my god, this is almost too much for me. I can't, it's almost too much. It was a great episode, it's a great way to kick off 2021. I love you all. I hope you had a great new year. Happy new year and enjoy the show.

Starting point is 00:15:45 All right, let's get into it. Man, this is a great conversation. What a wonderful kickoff 2021 show to do. Our guest is an engineer and she's a science and tech writer. She has a book called the Secret History of Lime disease and bioWeapons. Please welcome, Chris Newby. How are you? Good, how are you? Happy New Year. Happy New Year to you. Thank you so much for coming on the show. We really do appreciate you.

Starting point is 00:16:15 Can you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself? Yeah, I'm an engineer by training. I have two engineering degrees, including a master's from Stanford. And I designed computers for a while, and then I moved over to tech writing and marketing. And so I've been doing that for 20 years or so. And my latest job was at Stanford Medical School. I was a science writer, explaining all things medical. And I got into the world of tick-borne diseases and how they've been used. Ticks and other insects have been used as weapons in the past when I

Starting point is 00:16:53 went to Martha's Vineyard with my family and my husband and I got bitten by ticks and had two horrible tick-borne diseases that took us about six years to recover from. And that's how Lyme disease became my favorite disease. Oh my God. It's incredible. So I shot something recently for the CW. It was in New York. Where did I go?

Starting point is 00:17:19 Do you guys remember? Montauk. I was in Montauk. And, you know know we go to the base they had a Montauk and there were signs everywhere about you know watch out ticks you know and I'm like oh dude I'm not going out there getting a tick because you know we were hearing all these crazy stories and I'm so excited to talk about this because it's like I don't think people realize the deaths that science and

Starting point is 00:17:47 the government and our intelligence agencies have gone to basically create bio weapons and it's almost out of like insane movies that like you would think like oh here are insects these are weapons you like come on dude what do you what do you what do you watching you know Star Wars was this the Mandalorian no dude this is like real stuff so where do you want to start where would you like to begin you want to how about this let's start at what is Lyme disease what is Lyme disease what is Lyme disease? Okay Lyme disease is a bacterium that's sort of like a corkscrew shape and it's transmitted

Starting point is 00:18:29 by the bite of a tick to mammals, including humans. And when the tick bites you, it releases, through its saliva, it releases a numbing agent and an agent that suppresses your immune system for about a week. And so the Lyme spirochetes, when the warm blood rushes into the belly of the tick, it regurgitates the spire keets, they enter your body. They are bacterium that go to immune protected sites in your body.

Starting point is 00:19:02 So your brain and maybe joints where you have a lot of scar tissue and your immune system can't get too well. So one thing everybody agrees in, if you treat the Lyme disease really early on with a simple antibiotic like doxycycling, you can get over it, no problem. The complications arise that if you don't treat it soon, the Lyme disease and whatever diseases might have been in the belly, the tick can make you go on to get chronically ill. And given that sometimes you don't see a tick right away,

Starting point is 00:19:40 they've been on the earth for millions of years, and they're good at being sneaky and getting a stealth blood meal, you know, they might bite you on your their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the earth for millions of years and they're good at being sneaky and getting a stealth blood meal. You know, they might bite you on your backside or under your hairline like it did me and you won't see it. And so you don't know it's Lyme disease. The tests don't work in the first month very reliably. So you can go on to get this sort of messy chronic disease that my husband and I got. And I can be really hard to get over it. Oh my God, this is so crazy.

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Starting point is 00:22:39 thatl-co slash tinfoil hat. Enjoy the show. So, so, so lime disease. Now, is lime disease did it ever exist before or is this simply a man-made a disease a man-made weapon has it or has it always existed in some form lime disease it's mine disease itself has been around I mean the earliest sample we saw was in a frozen ice man from the last ice age in the European Alps. So it's been around a while. What my research in my book Bitten found is that, and it's well known through CDC, is there was a strange outbreak

Starting point is 00:23:23 in the late 1960s around Lyme, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, and then also in Wisconsin. So this strange new disease that appeared, according to the public releases caused by the Spirokeet, it took about 10 years to identify it. And then, uh, years to identify it. And then, so, so, actually the book finds that there were three freaky new tick-borne diseases that showed up in the late 60s. So the premise of my book is that that wasn't a natural appearance of three crazy germs in the New York area.

Starting point is 00:24:03 It was the result of man-made experiments related to the biological weapons program. Lime itself, I couldn't prove that that was weaponized. I know they played around with this kind of bacteria early on in the 50s in developing new weapons, but it was never seriously deployed. But I go into other sort of accidents and uncontrolled open air experiments with ticks because they were trying to weaponize ticks. And my theory is that that program with accidents and experiments caused massive ecological disruption that fueled this epidemic that started 60, 70s, and on to today.

Starting point is 00:24:47 So I call those Cold War biological weapons programs, you know, whatever accidents happened, it's resulted in an American Chernobyl, because that disruption in the ecosystem has lasting effects. It's just, it's really unbelievable because you know world war two we you know we see the fall of Germany we see our government you know project paper clip we see a bunch of Nazis basically we talk about here all the time you know the US, Britain, Russia all all basically had a Nazi draft. They picked their favorite Nazis.

Starting point is 00:25:26 They brought them over. And so we see some crazy experiments starting to happen. And here we are, you know, I mean, obviously that was the 40s and then they bring them over. So the 40s, 50s, and then we get in the 60s, we start seeing this like kind of mutation of Lyme disease and bio weapons. And, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like this like kind of like mutation of Lyme disease and and bio weapons and Like is it your belief that did it just get away from them or like did they release this on a certain population to see what the results were going to be or what? What are your thoughts of? How do we get from a laboratory to, to, you know, modern day where you find you and your husband are affected to it with it? I would categorize it as a series of unfortunate events, you know, sort of a perfect storm of experiments

Starting point is 00:26:22 where there's no ecological oversight. And then in some cases, there's incompetence or, you know, unintended consequences. So, I mean, the big things that my book Bitten finds are that, first of all, in the 50s, there were experiments by the lead tickets, scientist Willie Bergdorfer, who came over from Switzerland to Montana. He was stuffing ticks, fleas, and mosquitoes with dangerous germs, seeing which ones would stick.

Starting point is 00:26:58 And then, so he would, you know, he'd get directions from Fort Dietrich, which was the offensive dialogical weapons program in Maryland. They'd say, Willie, uh, from Fort Dietrich, which was the offensive biological weapons program in Maryland. They'd say, Willie, we just found this really deadly yellow fever virus, see if you can put it in mosquitoes and package it in a bomblet so that we can drop it on our enemies. So he would do the initial feasibility experiments. Another one was he would take pigs and he got, he would take glass pipettes, ram it in the tick's mouth, and then pour in a bunch of diseases. Rabies, rabies didn't stick in the ticks. That was off the table. You know, Venezuelan equine and cephalias,

Starting point is 00:27:40 you know, spiraquete diseases, Tularemi, which is rabbit fever. And then, you know, he would report back to Dietrich, okay, I have samples of ticks that carry this disease. And then the Detric people would optimize it for weaponizations for whatever the Pentagon's objectives were for an operation. So I would say a lot of the scientists at Dietrich and in Montana at the Rocky Mountain Lab, they were very careful and they followed safety protocols. But once it was in the field, you know, who knows? And then within Fort Dietrich, there was a small unit called Special Operations Division, and then it was called Technical Services Division. and that was a little pocket of CIA and that's where Sid Gottlieb was and he

Starting point is 00:28:32 developed sort of the Manchurine candidate things it's where the poison dart gun was and the shellfish poison that the all these CIA sort of black heart attack gun probably came out of there you know just like all that crazy shit going on like the thus the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. they. they. they. the the they. the the the the they. the the the the they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the of black hearts. Heart attack gun probably came out of there, you know, just like all that crazy shit going on. So when you hear, like, and we're going to stay on the subject, but you know when I'm listening you talk about these scientists and you know, we're in this error right now, which we on the show we're talking about, sciancism is this new religion that seems to be out there of the elites, you know, they're, oh I'm an atheist, but you know, believe all scientists and all that stuff. It's like, what, did you talk to anybody when you did this book that were any involved in any of this?

Starting point is 00:29:15 And like, I would love to know like, you're, you go to school, you study, you take this oath, well, I guess they're not doctors, but you go to school, you wanna become a scientist, and now, according to you, they're shoving glass, pipes down a little bug's mouth and trying to see if they'll take like, rate, I mean, like, how do you go home to your wife and kids after that? And just like, I'm the guy that shoves diseases into little bugs Like where did you go wrong in your life? Like how do you do that? It's just such an interesting thing man. It's kind of crazy. It's kind of shocking

Starting point is 00:29:54 Like what level of human being did you talk to anybody involved in any of this? Yeah, I mean, I had hundreds of interviews and then my main character Willie Bergdorfer? I got special access to a lot of his? Yeah, I mean, I had hundreds of interviews and then my main character, Willie Bergdorfer, I got special access to a lot of his, first of all, official NIH documentation. And then he hid some of his secret stuff and he gave that to a friend for putting in a Utah archive, the secret stuff as he was dying. He was really sick towards the end of his life with Parkinson's symptoms, which he believes could have been Lyme disease. So in the process of proving that Lyme disease

Starting point is 00:30:35 caused this disease in Connecticut, he had infected rabbit urine splashing his eye. And he got Lyme at that time. Oh my God, that time. He got free- Oh my God, that's like out of the movie! Yeah, so I mean, the thing that attracted me to this story besides caring about tick diseases is this tragic character of Willie Bergdorfer who studied medical zoology in Switzerland. His dream was to cure people of horrible diseases that were carried by ticks mostly from Africa, soft body ticks that are creepy looking.

Starting point is 00:31:10 They looked like raisins with eight little black legs and their fast feeders. But anyways, he wanted to cure and then he, there was a bad incident where he had a bad breakup with a girl who worked in the lab and he sort of wanted to leave town. So he took this really promising job in 1951 at Rocky Mountain Labs as part of the US biological weapons program because we were playing catch up with what the Germans were doing and we were we being the US were afraid of Russia starting their own program because of the Nazis They captured and stealing the German secret So Willie was hired as part of that catch-up game and that's why he started refining The insect stuff, but what was interesting about him is

Starting point is 00:31:57 You know he moved to Montana. He fell in love with the lab because even as a young researcher He could have his own lab and assistance and yeah, he had to do these assignments with the lab because even as a young researcher he could have his own lab and assistants and yeah he had to do these assignments with the biological weapons program but he could also work on his side his own projects on the side and was that a band was that a band? Was that a band? Was he like, you know I'm a scientist bug guy but really I think this band is going to take off and that's going to be my main thing is being a band guy. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It's. It's. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I, the, the, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I'm, I's, I's, I'm, I'm, I's, I's, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the the the the the the the the the thi. the thi. thi. thi. to take off and that's going to be my main thing is being a band guy. It's almost like he's, it's almost like he's the bizarre version of Spider-Man, right? Tickman, he's Tickman. Yeah, he's like the opposite of that where it's like it just went bad, sad Peter Parker. So what were some of his side projects? Sorry to cut you off, and he certainly tried to weaponize that. I mean, when he first came over from Switzerland, his official assignments were putting plague

Starting point is 00:32:51 and fleas. Wow. So we're talking about the disease that has almost wiped out the human species several times in the history of mankind. And so he was he was trying to mass produce fleas, figure out how to do that and stuff the fleas with plague so that when you drop them from a bomblet over a battalion sized area, they would be the plague clogs their gullet and they're really, they want to puke it out. So they drop it on the ground and they immediately try to find a blood meal so they can clear out this plague. Hey, Chris, Johnny, Johnny here. How, when they do these things, are they developed with a mind to having an antidote readily

Starting point is 00:33:40 available for allied troops, you know, or are they just, are they doing this knowing that they risk infecting, you know, possibly an entire continent with the plague? Well, it's a long, the weaponization of anything that's a living thing was a long process that took many years. So it would start with feasibility with Willie and then it would move to Detrick and it would be, well, can we mass produce this thing, can, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th... And, th. And, th. And, th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the the the the the they, they, they, they, they, they, they. thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, theeee. And, theeeean, theean, thean, theean, theean, theean, theat, theeat, the. And, the. And, would be, well, can we mass produce this thing? Can we control it and deliver it in a bomb? And then part of that was at Dietrich, you would develop a vaccine or an antidote for whatever it was. So they had this one million liter sphere that looks like something out of Dr. No. They had submarine guys build the steel sphere, and then they, they would put animals and people in that and spray in aerosyatized germs.

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Starting point is 00:39:20 steel sort of beer brewing tanks that were in Pine Bluff, Arkansas. So, but they could do that with anthrax and tuliremia and some viruses like Venezuelan equine encephalitis. Do you know of any of those that have been deployed, any of those you mentioned that have, I mean, are there rumors that some of those have been deployed in the field? There are rumors. So the thing I proved in the book because I had a an eyewitness who was with the CIA company who actually did this operation was he in 1962 dropped ticks infected with some unknown disease on the Cuban sugar cane workers. Oh my god. It was called Operation Mongo Subproject 33B.

Starting point is 00:40:09 That means there were about 100 subprojects. And they, it was all about, it was the Kennedy brothers. They were pissed that we were shown up at Bay of Pigs, you know, because of leaks, security leaks. It was a resounding defeat for the Americans. So it was payback. They thought, well know, because of leaks, security leaks. It was a resounding defeat for the Americans. So it was payback. They thought, well, if we totally destroy the Cuban economy, then the people will rise up and oust Fidel Castro.

Starting point is 00:40:34 And you know how that story ended. But this was just, okay, Cuba's biggest cash crop is sugar. So what we'll do is we'll rein these poison ticks on the workers, they'll be sick, you know, they have this kind of incapacitating disease. And then that'll harm the sugar cane. They only did one pilot that I could tell. I found that I was in the documentation of that,

Starting point is 00:41:03 in the Kennedy assassination files on the CIA site. But there are many others. I mean, part of Project Mongous was, let's spray Fidel Castro's wet suit with a horrible fungus so he gets sick. Or he likes to scuba drive, so let's take a conch shell and put an explosive in it. Oh, that when he picks it up and he'll just double 07. And they never got him and you know that was that was what that you remember the manager of the Marlin said that like they kept trying to take that dude out and they never got them and then that fake like people in like Miami got really. th. Like like. Like th. Like th. Like th. Like th. It th. It th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th so th so th so he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he that fake, like, people in like, Miami got really mad at the, at, at, at the manager. Dude, this is great.

Starting point is 00:41:47 And like, it's so interesting because like, I don't know if everybody in your life, Chris is, is on your level in terms of awareness and intelligence. But I mean, like, what are your Christmas parties like? What do you talk to people about? Like, what do you like, well, I wouldn't eat that, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, that, like, like, that, like, like, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, their, like, the government, the government, the government, the government, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the government, the government, do you like, I mean, like, well, I wouldn't eat that. You know, the government weaponized that at one point and you'll, you know, it's like, because like, we're really in this moment of, like, trust the science and like 20 minutes to talk to you. Like, I, dude, I don't trust for five years, research pretty much the first three years, and I didn't know if I had enough of a story there, and then I got, you know, a videotape confession

Starting point is 00:42:33 of Willie Bergdorfer saying, yeah, I think the thing I discovered in 1978 was, it was due to a biological weapons accident, you know, he pretty much said that. And then I found the witness who dropped the ticks. And then it was like, okay, this is a real story. But it's sort of a cocktail party conversation killer. So. Ha ha ha ha! Oh my God, man.

Starting point is 00:43:01 Like I was, I was in very patriotic, Texas with my in, man. I was in very patriotic Texas with my in-laws and I started, they said, I said, oh yeah, I've been working on a book for, you know, three years. They said, well, what's it about? Well, it's about the biological weapons program and this one goes, stop, stop, I don't want to know that my government does that kind of thing. Yeah, I mean, like to believe that you, you know, it's just like to believe that this is impossible is just absolutely ridiculous and you know it's like it goes back to like I don't care who side you're on on anything. You should question everybody all the time because

Starting point is 00:43:40 there's a history to that, you know and it's just like I can't but I cannot believe I'm still in shock That they had a they called it the eight balls That we were saying it and they would throw people in this human beings? I mean we see that in like villains in fucking in like sci-fi movies doing this and Everyone's like oh that nobody would ever do that you're did it, like our government, like through people in a controlled environment and through stuff on that could not, could kill them painfully. Yeah. Like, it's my mind blowing to me. They've drugged them. Well, I would say I had some, in the first three years of the research, I had some dark days because my husband and I were suffering from this really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really th th chronic th chronic th chronic th chronic th chronic th th th first three years of the research I had some dark days because my husband and I were suffering from this really chronic disabling disease and

Starting point is 00:44:30 then I realized the Pentagon's you know had planned a chronic disabling disease because they said you know that way you can make people sick instead of taking up one undertaker, you take up the time of 10 health care workers and family and there's missed work, but you don't destroy the infrastructure like the power plants and the food factories and the people are still alive to teach you how to run them when your army comes in and takes over. So I would say it was just dark to think that I might be suffering from a disease that was engineered and you know it somehow blew back on our own soil.

Starting point is 00:45:11 And so what I did in the book too is just talk about some of the accidents that I know happened in the program. I didn't actually find the specific accident that happened around Lyme, Connecticut, but there's a lot of circumstantial evidence and pointers to what happened. Okay, so I want to get into all that stuff that you found, remember that point you just made, but so what what have you been feeling? What did you feel? Like you, you so you believe you got bit by a tick, got Lyme disease? What, what would, what would you go through? The actual disease? Yeah, like, like what were some of the symptoms? What were you, you say it was, you know, that you were feeling the effects of a

Starting point is 00:45:53 disease you believe. What were these effects you were feeling? Well, I think it's pretty similar to the COVID long haulers. It's thing fatigue, brain fog, your joints hurt, your muscles hurt, you're just not, it creates massive long-term chronic inflammation in the capillaries of your brain, so you know it destroys your ability to be a normal functioning adult I would say. You know like I remember my I was driving my kids to school on a street I'd driven on every day for 10 years and there was a traffic light

Starting point is 00:46:32 and I couldn't remember what the green yellow and orange lights meant so I just sat there at the traffic light trying to remember what? What? So, oh my God. What's particularly frustrating for us is, you know, I'm an engineer so I was like documenting the symptoms in this massive spreadsheet and every drug we took in effect. And so the first year, we were undiagnosed for about a year and we went to 10 doctors and it was $60,000, you know, in total of $60,000, you know, in total. the the the the the the to the to to to to to to to the to the to the to the to to to the to the the to the to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the tr. try, try, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their, their, their, their, their, to to to to to to to to their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the tr. So, the tr. So, tr. true, true, true, true. true, true, true. true. true. true. true. So, to, toe. toe. toe. So, to, to, to, to, the first year, we were undiagnosed for about a year, and we went to 10 doctors, and it was $60,000 in total medical costs to get diagnosed. And every one of those 10 doctors, I said, hey, we didn't see a tick, but we, you know, we were on Martha's Vineyard where Lyme disease was in 2002.

Starting point is 00:47:27 And so can you test for it? And the first eight doctors said, no, Lyme disease is a really rare disease. One infectious disease, doctor said, well, for you and your husband to both get bitten, would be like winning the lottery. Another chief of infectious disease says, we had done a short course of antibiotics and it was the first time we felt really good in six months.

Starting point is 00:47:49 And I said, we felt really good. We were on, you know, two weeks of antibiotics. Two weeks later, all the symptoms are back and we're dying. Can I have more antibiotics? And I was like crying, leaving him a message on a Friday. Oh, please give me more antibiotics. Like I was a junkie or something. And he called back and says, no, we can't treat people

Starting point is 00:48:09 based on their reaction to drugs. You know, and he refused to give us more antibiotics. Oh my God, why? This wasn't like an exotic drug that you had bad effects. It's like doxycycling, it's a drug that you give pimply faced teenagers every year until they get over puberty. So it's not like you're chopping it up and snorting it. Also, isn't that just like a part of routine diagnostics is like seeing how someone reacts to a

Starting point is 00:48:38 treatment. Yeah. And if it works, you know, probably give them more of that. I mean, Jesus. Like, like, like, like does this drug this drug this drug this drug th drug th drug th drug, does th drug, does th th th th that, does that, does that, does that, does that, does that, does that, does that, does that, does that, does that, does that, does th?? th? th. thi, do thi? that? that's like, that's like, that, more of that. I mean, Jesus, like, like, does this drug have a history of addiction? Like, why? No, no, no, no, no. Right. It just took us from being, you know, couched potatoes who could barely get up in the morning to being able to function to take care of our kids. I mean, at one point I couldn't read Harry Potter anymore. I had a short-term memory, so I would get to the end of a sentence,

Starting point is 00:49:08 not remember what happened in the beginning of the sentence. So they were talking about how line disease, how line disease they think there's a connection to eltimers. Have you ever heard any of that? Yeah, there have been a couple small studies, but nothing that proves that. Okay, I thought that were there, there was some research into that, that like there's a big connection that's people gotten Lyme disease before, I had a higher rate of Elstimers, but maybe I'm wrong, but... Well, it was a really small study where they took Alzheimer's brains and found lots of snippets of Borelia DNA in the Alzheimer's brains, but it was a very small study, you know, 10 or 20

Starting point is 00:49:57 brains, so you can't, you can't say absolutely the Borelia caused the Alzheimer's. It would be, if anybody wanted to put money in this, you know, they, they, they, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, they had, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, had had had had had had had had had had had had had their, their, their, had their, they. were they. were they.a, to have had to have to have to have to have too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, their, their, the beryllia cause the Alzheimer's. It would be if anybody wanted to put money in this, you know, it would be a logical pilot study to say, yeah, to justify that. But that's what got me into creating a documentary about Lyme disease and then the book is because I just found it as an engineer who like, you know, like Stata and cause and effect, I found it really weird that there were a lot of people, like my husband and I out there that were being ignored and dismissed and they refused to give them any more than four weeks of antibiotics. You know, so the question is why, I'm just curious. And so that's why I spent about five years on the movie and then five years on the book is more to get answers. Why is what's in the field with these tick-borne diseases

Starting point is 00:50:50 so different than what's in the academic ivory tower medical schools and the people who publish? So there was a huge gap in what was real and what was published. And so there's a lot of politics, there's money involved, and now there's this biological weapons angle where there may be a cover-up involved. So it's not a simple answer. It's just sort of a lot of incentives that are leading to people being, you know, swept under the rug.

Starting point is 00:51:22 It is interesting, like, why won't they give you more antibiotics? Is there, like, what is the purpose their their their their their their their, their, there, there, there, there, there's there, there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's their, there, there's there's there, there's there's there's their, there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's there's their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their, their is their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, th the rug. It is interesting, like, why won't they give you more antibiotics? Is there, like, what is the purpose of that? Which is weird, because usually they give you as much as you need. Yeah, they want us to care here, have more, dude. I mean, you can get like, what's it called, what's it called, a doctor hopping or doctor, where you just go doctor and it's just it doesn't make any sense. Yeah, the only thing I can think of, and you can tell me, Chris, if you think this may be what it is, I know there's been a push in the medical field recently

Starting point is 00:51:49 to keep people from taking short courses of antibiotics for concerns about, you know, bacteria, I mean, antibiotics. Antibiotic resistant bacteria and infections. Is that, do you think that's possibly that that that that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, thii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that's possibly why? Yeah, that's part of the exceptionally bad luck that tick-borne disease patients suffer from. Because just about when the tick-borne disease problem rose above the radar, and the patients reporting that long-term antibiotics really help. I mean, if you look at, if you had TB, yeah, you might have to take antibiotics for a year or two, but for some reason, the experts have decided two to four weeks solves it. And so about the time that the numbers of Lyme patients

Starting point is 00:52:34 got really big is all of a sudden, the hospitals were worried about super bugs. And Medicare, Medicaid said, hey, hospitals, if someone suffers one of these super bugs and dies, we're not reimbursing you for all that expensive medical care. So all of a sudden the hospitals got, oh, this is going to cost us money, so we need to do more prevention. So they set up, you know, administrative boards to monitor the antibiotic, you know, prescription patterns of the doctor. So the doctors became hesitant to administer those,

Starting point is 00:53:10 even though, and because we have a fragmented medical system, the specialists just care about not having the admins, like threaten to take away their hospital privileges. No, they don't own you when you get a chronic disease and you're having to go to a rheumatologist and a neurologist and all that. That's not their problem. They just, you know, next. I mean, like, I just, I think like, if there's anything we got from COVID is how much our health industry is just driven by dollars. And I mean, I think we knew it, but we're really seeing it right now.

Starting point is 00:53:52 And you know, and just like this notion that kind of like, listen, there's a lot of health professionals that really do care. But there's a lot of, of, there's a lot of like, these, these hospitals are like, basically hotels where you get medical treatment. And they want the beds full, and they want to make as much money as possible. And sometimes the best medical action, is it necessarily the best money making action and it just kind

Starting point is 00:54:29 of sucks. Like making more hospitals? They had six months to make more hospitals. Where was that money going to go? They were going to have to pay for that. Yeah, I mean, it's just like, it's just like calling something COVID when maybe it isn't because, you know, there's $50,000 involved, right? It just sucks. It just sucks. It's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's just like, it's like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like,there's $50,000 involved right it just it sucks it just sucks and so I mean as we get into the government at any point taken any responsibility for past biological

Starting point is 00:54:56 weapons releases at all have you discovered any of that yeah so there's agent well this is chemical and biological. So agent orange, the military guys who were spraying agent orange from helicopters and from boats, they would handle the huge 75 gallon drum. So there was a huge lawsuit against them and there was a settlement there. Just think about what Asian Orange was. I mean, just think about that, man. Like, they wanted, right, like, correct me if I'm wrong.

Starting point is 00:55:33 Chris, it is, um, they basically wanted the spray so that they would basically kill all the vegetation. So that the fight, the enemies couldn't hide. Like, how did you not think that was them against them? Like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like them, like, like them, like, like them, like, like them, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, that the fight, the enemies couldn't hide. Like how did you not think that was going to kill and just do awful things to your own soldiers? I mean like it's unbelievable. They don't care. Remember when they were dropped the nukes in Nevada and Arizona and then they tell the soldiers to, hey can you walk towards the fucking bomb shelter and the people got cancer got cancer? No one, they didn't go fucking the cities in Nevada? Yeah, it's just, it's unbelievable. They've been doing it.

Starting point is 00:56:08 Well, dude, how many buildings do we walk into every day that have a sign on the doors? Like, hey, there's shit that gives you cancer in here, by the way. You know, I mean, I mean, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just,think people were more comfortable with death. I mean, it was a different mindset. I've had people say, well, Chris, that's the Eisenhower era. That was the ethos then. So Pearl Harbor was like their 9-11. And it was, we're gonna pull out all the stops and do whatever it takes to defeat the enemy or the communists. And so one of the challenges I face is I tried to find witnesses to confirm rumors and to explain documents is, you know, they all took a secrecy oath. And some of them, you know, would not talk to their grave. I mean, so I would try to develop relationships with them and convince them that, you know, it's been 50 years. What happened in the Cold War shouldn't stay in the cold war, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, th, the the th, th, th, th, th, th, the th, the th, th, th thu thu thu thu thi thi thrown thrown to to to confirm, to confirm, to confirm, to confirm, to confirm, to confirm, to confirm, to confirm, to confirm, to confirm, to confirm, thu thu thu to confirm, to th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. thu thu the thu the thu thi thi the thrown thrown their thrown their their their thrown thrown their thrown thrown thrown thrown thrown thrown thrown develop relationships with them and convince them that, you know, it's been 50 years.

Starting point is 00:57:07 What happened in the Cold War shouldn't stay in the Cold War because there are long-term health implications. I mean, people are suffering today because they released hundreds of thousands of aggressive manbiting lone star ticks in Norfolk, Virginia, on the Atlantic bird flyway. They made them radioactive so they could see how far they travel if they they they they they they they they they they their their they their they their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the Atlantic Bird Flyway. They made them radioactive so they could see how far they travel if they weaponized them. And two years later, we had an infestation of long, you know, lone star ticks in Long Island and they carry new diseases and that's part of what happened in the 60s is these loan stars came up. So you know I had a huge trouble getting classified documents out of them because this biological weapons program was as secretive as the Manhattan Project and none

Starting point is 00:57:56 of the agencies are releasing these documents. Still after all these days I mean you remember when Trump was going to release the aliens all the JFK stuff and they begged them not to because they said some of the people are still alive like yeah that's why we should release it so we can deal with these guys but that's not what they want to do they want to protect all their asses so they die safe peacefully it's unbelievable it's unbelievable it's just unbelievable. Now you made some some, uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want they want to protect. to protect. to protect. to protect. to to protect. to to to to they want to protect. they want they want they want they want they want they want. they're they're they're they're they're they die safe peacefully. It's unbelievable man. It's just unbelievable. Now you made some some pretty new discoveries. In your book, you'd already brought up the sugar, the sugar workers one, were there some other ones like the radioactive aggressive lone star ticks? Can you tell us a little bit about that? Yeah, so that was at Old Dominion University.

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Starting point is 01:00:32 So these are migrating birds that go from South America past the Caribbean up to Canada. And so they would carry these radioactive ticks. Now, the thing is, Willie Bergdorver, who worked on ticks as old life, said, there, there, there, there, there, there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's these radioactive ticks. Now, the thing is, Willie Bergdarver, who worked on ticks this whole life, said there's no such thing as a clean tick. So the question I have is, did he really know that these were clean ticks without diseases?

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Starting point is 01:01:28 You know, so here are people who are tick specialists and they didn't even know about this dangerous tick experiment. Well, there's a whole world, there's a, there's a tick conference. Like everybody's showing up at a tick conference, Tick-a-Con or something like that? It's in Vegas. You didn't know it's in Vegas? That was the American Society of Riketsologists. So it's people who study trench fever and Q fever and Rocky Madden spotter fever. So those are all Rickecius.

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Starting point is 01:02:32 or believed by the scientists yet. That's why I went to that conference to try to get some people to start sequencing it, sequencing the stuff in the ticks. But, you, you, you, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, the the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the, the, the, the, the, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the stuff, the...... the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. thi. thi. thi. that's, that's, the. that's, the. that's, that's, the. thi. the. the. the. you know it's that I mean that was the most credible thing because Willie Bergdorfer who has the most to lose was saying the whole cluster of diseases out there is because of a bio how is that received what how how is that received yeah you mean when I published the book yeah well and when you you know you presented it to them you know for you mean at the I published the book? Uh, yeah, well, and when you, you know, you presented it to them, you know, for,

Starting point is 01:03:06 Oh, you mean? Oh, you mean, at the convention, yeah, right? Oh, at the topic, well, I mean, they first didn't believe that those lone star experiments happened, you know, but then, then they looked it up probably. I would say one researcher at Columbia has started genetically sequencing all the organism inside the ticks, instead of just like we have this hyper focus on Lyme disease, even though that's not the worst tick-borne disease. There are other tick-borne diseases that can be transmitted along with the Lyme that can kill you in 14 days.

Starting point is 01:03:38 But the whole, you know, I believe the whole celebration of the Limes Firecate, oh, here's this horrible disease, and now the government has solved it and were the heroes and Willie's the hero. I think that was a misdirection so that people wouldn't lick into the other things. So that's part of like what's wrong with tick-borne diseases now is we're not paying attention to the other ddurms and the ticks that mayx that mayx that may that mayxx.. thiii, that's thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi, the the the thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, theeeeeeeeeean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, the the the the the germs and the ticks that may or may not have been weaponized. So when you discover this, what was it called the radioactive Lone Star tick experiment, and they're like making these radioactive ticks and then they're releasing it, like, did, did you talk to anybody that would tell you you what was their goal when they did that?

Starting point is 01:04:27 Like were they like, we just want everybody to be radioactive and I mean like what is the purpose of that? Well, isn't the Lone Star one that makes you allergic to meat? Was that the goal? Is the goal? I mean, I don't know why they want people to be vegetarians. Yeah. Well. No, the goal was if we drop several boxes or release several boxes of ticks in the Soviet Union, how far will they travel per month? So we know the impact of our bomb. Just like if we were to drop a regular

Starting point is 01:05:03 traditional bomb, we would take a satellite picture and say, oh, this, you know, this blew up 10 city blocks. But, but we're gonna do the experiment in our own country. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, although, I mean, think about it, they did it. I mean, they've dropped radio. I mean, they didn't in the damn desert, remember with the nukes. Yeah. So there you go. Yeah. Yeah. One of my favorite, this is, this has been out before my book was called Operation

Starting point is 01:05:30 Big Itch. So they were testing to see how many fleas they needed to cover a battalion-sized area. So they, their test facilities, Dugway in Utah, 50 miles is the crow flies from Salt Lake City. So they took uninfected fleas in these munitions. And they dropped them from planes. And each little piles of fleas were in these little tubes. And at a certain altitude, the tubes had an incendiary device and they would explode, and then rain fleas down on an area. So on the desert floor, they drew bullseye circles and at various areas, various spaces, they

Starting point is 01:06:12 had live guinea pigs. So after that experiment, then the technicians would come out in their bunny suits and they take the bunnies back to the lab and they count how many ginea pigs and count how many fleas were on them. So in this experiment they dropped about I think a half a million fleas on this test grid and they said picked off 147 fleas off the guinea pigs so therefore this experiment is success and the other you know five hundred and eight hundreds of thousands of fleas hopped off into the desert. Oh my God. And in that experiment, the people on the airplane all got flea bites because I guess they didn't

Starting point is 01:06:56 package them. Good. Unbelievable. So here's one thing you said down there. There, uh, document, documentation you discovered of military studies were live disease causing bacteria, some of which can be sped by ticks. They were sprayed from planes, boats and vehicles. Not on guinea pigs, but on unsuspecting American public the unsuspecting American public.

Starting point is 01:07:26 Our own government is like on experimenting on their own peep. Like, like we saw that in St. Louis they did that. They did like, they were spraying the skies with diseases to see how the St. Louis, the city of St. Louis would react. Oh my God, what was a documentation? What kind of documentation did you find? Uh, let's see. Well, uh, there, there are well, there are well publicized, uh, their well publicized, uh, live bacterial studies.

Starting point is 01:08:01 I think the most outrageous one that I covered in my book, but I didn't break this story. I just sort of fleshed it out out out it out it out it, the it, the th it, th it, what it, what it, what it, what it, what it, what, what, what, what, what, the, what, what, what, the, what, th, what, what, what, what, what, what th, what th, what th. th. th. th. tho, what th. thi. thi. What tho, what tho, what tho, what tho, what tho, what th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. th. th. th. What th. What th. th. What th. th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. th. What th. What th. th. the th. the the the the? What the? What the? What the? What tho. tho. thoo. the thooo. the thooo. the tho. tho. tho. tho. tho the most outrageous one that I covered in my book, but I didn't break this story. I just sort of fleshed it out more and retold it with new information. And that is the subway experiments. So the CIA, these CIA guys in Dietrich, we're trying to get more funding from Congress. So they said, well, we want to do a vulnerability study in a couple places to prove to you how vulnerable we are and we need more. more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more more the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their and re to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tho. And tho. And their and re and re and re and re their their and re and re their and re their and re their and re their and re their and re their and re their their and re their their their their their their their their their to their toldldld their told their told. And retold. And retold. And told. told. told. told. told. told. told. told. told. told told to their their, well, we want to do a vulnerability study in a couple places to prove to you how vulnerable we are and we need more money. So they filled a light bulb with this bacteria that they thought at the time was harmless to humans. They put it in a light bulb. And then one guy dropped the light bulb in New York City over one of those grates over the subway. And it shattered and the bacteria in the light bulb was sucked by a passing trained throughout

Starting point is 01:08:50 the whole New York City subway system. And the CIA had about 20 people with sniffers and they were disguised in camera cases, like camera cases and briefcases. And they had people stationed all around the subway program, subway tubes, and they reported back to Congress. Well, if this had been anthrax instead of a simulant, most of New York City would have been sick, you know. And so that scared Congress, and then Congress gave them more money, and then they could hire more people like Willie Bergdorfer.

Starting point is 01:09:20 They also did that in Pennsylvania, in Pennsylvania tunnels on the Pennso, in the Turnpike. They did it at the Pentagon. They did it at National Airport. They did it on boats that were cruising past San Francisco Bay. And they were using an anthrax simulant there that they said was harmless, but it did kill one person at Stanford Hospital and it made some other people sick. So I mean the point of my book is still most of the documentation for these

Starting point is 01:09:57 programs are secret and we need the government to release them so that we can make amends for this damage they've done. You know either where the government to release them so that we can make amends for this damage they've done. You know, either where the people are still sick now. Hey Chris, are these, in what you've researched, are most of the people involved, especially on the science side, I'm not, you know, I'm sure the administrative people are probably, the people at the top of these bureaucracies are probably pretty evil folks but are these in your experience patriots are they are they more just interested in the scientific value and they're just happy they get

Starting point is 01:10:30 to play around with a budget what what what are they are they I mean are some of them actually just like evil people what what was your experience there I would imagine most of them are just scientists who are kind of happy to have a budget to play with, is that right? Well, have scientists and most of them weren't read into the higher purpose. Oh, really? They're all compartmentalized. You know, so Ohio State was told, okay, you know, get 67 monkeys and we're going to have you aerosolize the Riceketsia that causes Rocky Mount and spotted fever and just tell us what dose kills them and how fast they die these monkeys.

Starting point is 01:11:13 So and they say the reason we're doing that is we just want to make sure when people work with Roketzias that they, you know, they use safe lab precautions so they don't breathe in the particles, you know. So they, they framed they they they they they they framed their they they they they they they they they they they framed their their they they they they their they their their their they f their their their their their their their their their their their their their to to their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their their their their their their th. the. the. the. the. te. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. te. te. te. t know, they use safe lab precautions so they don't breathe in the particles, you know. So they framed it in a safety, it wrapped it in a safety story instead of, oh yeah, Dietrich was weaponizing Rocky Manate's Spotted Fever, the most deadly tick-porn disease in America. And you said that was Ohio State? So they didn't know, except for Willie did because he came in really early in the program

Starting point is 01:11:47 and he actually worked for months at a time at Dietrich, so he was working side by side with the paper clip Germans with the entomological warfare division, so he saw the bigger page. How much of this work is done by like research institutions like that versus like in-house and in the government? Is a lot of it done, like far research institutions like that versus like in-house and in the government. Is a lot of it done like farmed out like that? It just 50 of the top universities were involved in biological weapons program including Stanford where I worked you know that was the aerosol program we perfected spraying live bacteria and detecting it. Is there even

Starting point is 01:12:24 plausible the deniabilities didn't know it? Univers there even plausible the diability? Universities needed money and they just said, sure, we won't ask questions. We see that over again. Should they have had questions? Like reasonably? Could they? What? Should they have been reasonably expected to have doubts about their purpose?

Starting point is 01:12:41 I mean, would a, an intelligent person have doubts about their purpose? I mean, would a intelligent person have doubts about their purpose? Like, what are we doing this for? Like, what's the good that could come from this? Do you think that most of them probably knew and they just had plausible to niability and that was enough? Yeah, because if you, well, I asked him, why didn't you ask more? And he said, well, so I they at night. Okay. Well, I get the job. And it was interesting work. And certainly some good things came out of that research. You know, things like our monoclonal antibodies.

Starting point is 01:13:16 So we learned how to manipulate E. colii so that we can deliver, you know, good molecules to the body to cure cancer. So, you know, some molecules to the body to cure cancer. So, you know, some, we learn more about biology, but, you know, don't ask, don't tell. And so Willie joined in 51, and I think 52 or 53, Frank Olson and the, who ran the biological weapons program, and he's the guy who was dozed with LSD and supposedly fell out of a the stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a whole. So Willie, Willie knew there were implications to talking. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. The secret CEO, I totally believe it. People always go, hey man, all these people are in on it? Well, man, what if they take this oath man?

Starting point is 01:14:05 They can't lie or somebody dies. Well, then like she said to that so many, you know, it's compartmentalized. So so many of these people don't actually know what they're working on, you know, relative to the other people involved. Yeah, so you have to take it on who released the Lone Stars, he knew. He was being funded by the Army and the Atomic Energy Commission. And he worked in Dietrich on safety issues working with ticks.

Starting point is 01:14:33 He worked in the Naval Research Unit in Cairo, where they were doing a lot of the weapons, biological weapons stuff. So he knew, but he would never admit it to me. I would fight him for charity. If he's still alive, I'll fight him. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I'll the th. I'll th. I'll the th. I'll the the the thi. I'll thi. I'll thi. I'll thi. I'll thi. I'll the the the thi. I'll the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thoe. I'm thoom. I'm thoome. I'm tomeauoomeauoomeauoomeauoomeauoomeau.auoomeau.auoomeau.au. Ieau. I'm. I'm tom admit it to me. I would all fight him for charity if he's still alive I'll fight him name the charity I'll fight and proceeds go to that real quick. So obviously you say the line disease was kind of like a I got out of hand and kind of was an accident would you say the same thing happened with the coronavirus on in Wuhan where it just kind

Starting point is 01:15:01 of skip that would you even say it's a biological weapon? Well, I think nobody knows because China's the most secret of government. There may be, but you know, if you look at the anthrax mailings, now with the power of DNA, we can tell exactly what flask, you know, that anthrax came from, who so-and-so's freezer, and we can face the history, just like 23 and me, we can tel, tel, tel, tel, tel, tel, tel, tel, tel, tel, tel, tel, tel, tel, tel, tel, tel, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th... thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi, thin, thii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th from, so-and-so's freezer. And we can face the history, just like 23 and me, we can tell, oh, your relatives came up from Africa and went through France. So we can tell where it came from, and maybe your government knows, maybe they don't. Maybe it started in North Carolina, or they were working on viruses, and the Chinese guys went over there. So, but if I just look at it from the 10,000 foot view

Starting point is 01:15:45 because I spent five years thinking about, is the Lyme outbreak natural or unnatural? I read a lot, I talked to people and I read a lot of articles and, you know, there's this one paper that I referenced in the book, there were eight clues to an unnatural diseased outbreak. And, you know, the the the top the the top the the the the the the the tap the tap the the the the the the the the tap an the the the the tape, the the the tape, the tape, the the top three were it was is there a point source where it started? Well Wuhan started in Wuhan. Lime disease started in Lyme disease and in Wisconsin. Is it an unusual disease? Yeah I think we all

Starting point is 01:16:16 agree COVID is freaky strange. It is strange. He has it he after two months he can't smell still and then does it have a high sick mortality rate? And I think we're seeing that. So those would be the top three clues and we see all those. So if I were a person in charge of biosecurity in the U.S., I would want to get down to the bottom of that and know who's responsible. But. So your book, there are critics of it, right? There's been a gentleman out there who is a,

Starting point is 01:16:48 he's a professor or a veterinary professor. He's a veterinarian professor, yeah, at a university in Boston. And he says some of your theories are conspiracy theories, which I love, but what are your thoughts on what he's saying? Well, that was that was sort of disillusioning because I tried so hard over five years to really be, to really say what I knew and and tie those to concrete facts and documentation and then what I didn't know. And you know, and then the message of the book is scientists need to, it's not my job to prove this, but here's enough clues where scientists can run with it

Starting point is 01:17:30 and help fix this huge tick-borne disease problem. But anyways, he just wrote this op-ed, about 800 words saying, you know, the idea that the Lyme disease could be a biological weapon, was conspiracy theory. And then he went on and just, he teaches biosecurity of this university, so you'd think he'd be informed, but he went on and said like at least four things that were absolutely wrong.

Starting point is 01:17:59 And I was upset, and so I called him, and I said, hey, professor, you know, I noticed you were dissing my book. Did you actually read it? And he goes, oh no, I don't have time to read books. It's just unbelievable. He probably had a toddy or two. And I said, well, do you have time? Can I just go through and just go through the things I found?

Starting point is 01:18:23 And so he said, sure, then I told, you, you, you, you, you, you, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the things I found. And so he said, sure, sure. And then I, you know, I told him the things he got wrong. And I said, well, would you like me to send you a book? So you can read more? I mean, because he does teach biosecurity. And I was revealing the secret history of this part of the biological weapons program that no one knew. And he goes, oh, he Oh no, I just shred it, you know, so. Anyway, I typed up the- Hold on he said he didn't read it, and then he- Shred it, I think he said, he'd shred it. Oh, he just-

Starting point is 01:18:48 Like a asshole. It's like religion, man. That's a pride religion, yeah. That's pretty rude. I mean, like, that's a lot of energy. hey, you know, I just had this conversation and they hadn't fact checked it and all they had to do is call me, you know, and I said, well, can you take this down? And it linked to my book and she goes, oh no, this is an op-ed. He can say anything he wants.

Starting point is 01:19:17 But at least she removed the link to my book. But by that time, the news aggregators, that op-ed had spread. it it it it was their, it was their, it was their, it was th, it was to toed, th, toe, toe, toe, toe, th, toe, toe, th, toe, toe, toe, toe, to do to do to do to do to do to do, to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to doe, to doe, to do to do to do to do to do to do to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their me, their me, their me, their me, their me, theymea, theymea, theate.e. And, toe. And, toe. And, toe. And by that time the news aggregators that op-ed had spread. It was free news, you know, and it had spread across the internet. I couldn't put that genie back in the bottle. And, and then I, then I, you know, did my journalistic research on the professor and it turns out both his parents were, their employment for their whole careers was Army Counterintelligence. His dad, his dad worked, his dad worked, was a vet too, worked dissecting jackrabbits in the nuclear blast zone of the Nevada nuclear test.

Starting point is 01:20:04 So, and then he's, his research is funded for rabbit fever, which is on the biological, the biological, the, the, the Nevada nuclear tests. So and then he's his research is funded for rabbit fever which is on the biological weapons list of the US government, you know so he's being paid by the government to study a biological agent. So it's like. Yeah it's like he's off. There's some conflict of interest going on here needless to say. Needless to say. So we have a congressman named Chris Smith. He is looking to do an investigation. I always find this interesting because I love the idea.

Starting point is 01:20:40 I love the sentiment to do that, right? But, right, like, full disclosure, 50 year old stuff, let's disclose it. All those people are dead who made those decisions, exactly. But do you think they'll do it? I mean, do you think a congressman could get to CIA, FBI, military, industrial complex, secrets out there? It just seems like that's such a big thing to do.

Starting point is 01:21:08 And it's just like... But if they were to sit there and say that they did it, now they have to give people money. Yeah, exactly. That's what they don't want. Well, it's not only that. It's just like, it will erode, it will give away secrets to the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the enemy the away secrets to the enemy. It's a, there's so much, it's like, there's this guy in Britain that wants to dissolve the royalty.

Starting point is 01:21:30 Like, good luck getting that going. But I'm like, I am for it. I mean, when Trump released all that documents, there was a very interesting document in there that George Bush Senior was in Dallas that day, which he had denied forever. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I the their their their their their th. th. tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thoer. thoer. It will thoer. thoeoleole. It will tho. It will tho. It will will tho. tho. It will will will will tho. It will will tho. It will tho. It will tho. It will tho. It will tho. It will tho. It will will tho. It will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will will tho. It will will will will will will will tho. It was tho. It was tho. It will tho. It will tho. It will tho. It will the. It will the. It will tho. It will thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. It will the. It will the. It will tho. It Dallas that day, which he had denied forever. I'm down for full dis- I do not know. The problem with Washington right now is we've allowed treasonous people to sit in office with no accountability. We basically in Washington, D.C., we have taxation without representation right now. We have, we have politicians that do not do the will of the people who vote they men, and they have no fear of us.

Starting point is 01:22:10 And I think that we need, as human beings, need to understand that there is a part of the power structure in America that does not have the people's best interest and actually have done stuff to the people that should be considered war crimes. You should get fired. If you break your own rule it should get fired. Well that'd be great. I mean we don't you don't fire politicians but they should be voted out of office and tried. I mean I would like that. I mean we need to start pushing back on this stuff. It's super sad. What do you think is going to happen with that? Do you th. Do you thi. Do you thi. Do you thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th. thi th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the thi thi thi thi thi thi to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to toeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee thi thi super sad, man. What do you think's gonna happen with that? Do you think this gentleman, Chris Smith,

Starting point is 01:22:47 has a chance at getting anything moving? Well, he tried to put it, he put it in as an amendment in the last two years of the defense budget. It got, the investigation got pulled along with the UFO disclosures on December 15th. So it didn't make it into this bill. But the last two years have been really strange. And Chris Smith claims he's going to try and get it through the investigation through Congress as a standalone bill. So my fingers are crossed.

Starting point is 01:23:21 I mean, I'm not going to hold my breath. And I continue to investigate, like to try to get more details on what was released where.. this this this this this this this this this thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi thi thi thi thi. the thi. thi thi thi thi. thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the thi. the thi. the thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi thi thi thi thi thi ti ti ti ti. thi. thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi.to hold my breath. And I continue to investigate, like, to try to get more details on, you know, what was released where? Because I think it saves research dollars and it helps people figure out what's wrong with them. So do you think anyone, I mean, I would love to see if the government will admit that they created Lyne disease as a bio weapon. I would love to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thea try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try more try more try more try more try more try more try more try more try more try more try more try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try te te try try to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to try to try try try try try try try tthe government will admit that they created Lyme disease as a bio weapon. I would love to I would love to know that. Well, I think it was the other germs that you could mass produce, but you know,

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Starting point is 01:24:49 It started to make its way down the Atlantic coast as I understand Unable. Yeah, it's pretty bad in the Carolinas now. There's still a lot of denial that the problem is as big as it is on my website. It was just Chris Newby dot com I'm I I I I I I I I to the the th. th. the th. th. th. the th. th. th. the th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. It's is is th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's quite is quite thi. It's quite the. It's quite thi. It's quite the. It's quite thi. It's quite thi. It's quite thi. It's quite th. It'm about to post a new map that sort of shows the spread since it was a notifiable disease, which is in 93. Yeah. So, I mean, the big message I give to people is take this disease is separate, seriously, if you pull out a tick, save the tick, put it in a baggie with a piece of damp towel, paper towel, and then send it into your local health agency or one of the commercial labs who will test it for practically nothing, and you'll get results on everything that's in that tick,

Starting point is 01:25:38 not just Lyme disease. Oh my, what's it. The human testing for Lyme disease is expensive doesn't work reliably in the first month and you won't know you know all the other diseases that might be in the tick can kill you there's Kwasan virus dead in two weeks Rocky Madden spotted fever coma 14 days you know so aside from medical remedies what what other, I mean, is there, is there like, uh, animal like wildlife management that can help?

Starting point is 01:26:09 I mean, is there other ways to limit the spread like tick, tick man? I mean, uh, deer management? Or I mean, is there a way to limit ticks other than just, uh, limiting wildlife? Yeah, at this point, the epidemic is spread where it has, you have to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that that that that that that that that that's wildlife wildlife wildlife, that's wildlife, that's wildlife, their wildlife, their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tialialialialiaileaileileaileileileilea point, the epidemic is spread where it has, you have to fight a multi-front war against it. So clear the leaf litter and vegetation around your house, you know, especially if you have kids that are me crawling around. You can, you know, make sure maybe they're wearing clothes that are tick-resistant. The pets are a big vector these days, so make sure your pets have tick collars or they take

Starting point is 01:26:47 the tick flea resistant pills, heartworm pills, because now all our animals end up in bed with us. Yeah. If you've been in the tick woods, wash your clothes on high heat after you go out in the woods because I mean I think that's how I got it we did tick checks every day on Martha's Vineyard but we rewore the same clothes and I think the ticks were on the clothes or they had dogs that jumped on the beds. So so there's been some there's some people out there they don't think ticks are fast enough. What are your thoughts on that???? they? they? they? they? they they? they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they th. thi. thi. thi. I they are thi. I they they are they are thi. I they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are not they are not they are not they are not they are not they are not they are not they are not they are not th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I there, they don't think ticks are fast enough.

Starting point is 01:27:25 What are your thoughts on that? What do you mean they're not fast? They're not fast enough to be like a bio weapon. Like, you know. Oh, the tick-your diseases. Yeah. So, yeah, the Lyme disease, it was, so you think you have to know about the military is they had in the in the bug-borne weapons or in the biological weapons program.

Starting point is 01:27:48 They wanted fast killing agents and they wanted slow chronically disabling agents. They do they you know they had two tracks for their objectives. So the science you know some scientists work on the really fatal diseases which would be to the Ramey and anthrax mixed with toxins. And, and then, you know, the chronic disabling diseases were the equine encephalitis and, to some extent, tuleremia and, you know, the ticks and fleas are the perfect stealth weapon. You can't get fingerprints off those and say, oh, those are the Russians, you know, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, you know, you know, you know, theirx, theirx, you know, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, t.. their. their. their. their. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, t. And, t. And, t. And, t. And, t. And, tr. And, tr. And, tx, tx, tx, tx, tx, tx. And, to. And, ticks. And they said, you know, ticks and fleas are the perfect stealth weapon. You can't get fingerprints off those and say, oh, those are the Russians. You know, like, if the Russians drop a bomb, you can, you know, forensically sort

Starting point is 01:28:32 through and say, oh, this wire, this detonator comes from them with insects, you just can't tell. Oh, just unbelievable man. I know, the, I think it's Darryl Hall of Notes. He is, he's like really anti-deer because he had lime disease, he has lime disease. And he, I mean, like, aggressively anti-deer. Like he goes just on this publicity tour saying like, fuck deer, you know, we've got to kill the deer. You know, they're just, they're rat, giant rats that spread Lyme disease. Is it, is it true that deer are...

Starting point is 01:29:09 Imagine going to see private eyes, private eye. Watching you. Fuck the deer! What? The deer? Bambie fucked him. You know, that's not. Okay, go on. That was a bad job. What are they, I mean, are they the most concerning vector for Lyme disease for tick's, tick-borne illnesses? Yeah, I mean, I think that's for deer ticks, they're the worst because that's where their ticks over winter. That's where they have sex so the females can lay their 3,000 thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tick. tick. tick. tick. tick. tick. tick. tick. tha. tha. tip. tip. tip. tip. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. tipe. tipe. ti. ti. ti. nice warm deer. That's where they have sex so the females can lay their 3,000 eggs.

Starting point is 01:29:47 3,000 eggs? Holy shit. Yeah, I mean, but the spread of ticks isn't just because of human experience. It's global warming because they aren't killed off in the winter. It's that people are living in the woods closer to deer. And then also we've let the deer populations go completely crazy and then right after the bio weapons program ended in 72 we ban DDT so DDT might have been sort of, it might have been giving us cancers but at least it was keeping the ticks under control so you know it's just nature is

Starting point is 01:30:18 complicated and when humans get into the most trouble is they think they can control nature and they can't nature always wins. Do you think over time they could they th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th th th thi thi thi thi thi to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the thi thi the the the the the the te. the te. te. the te. toe. to toe. to to to to to to be to is they think they can control nature. And they can't. Nature always wins. Do you think over time they could reach Mexico or Canada? Or has there been any cases out there? I know. Was it the temperature that would change it if they were like to go to south of the border? Is it too cold in Canada? Excuse you worried about his family? Yeah, Canada. the the thia. thia. Well, well, well, well, well, well, thia, thia, thia, thia, th. Well, th. Well, th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thatu. thi, that, that, that, that, thatuan, thatuan, thatuan, thatu. thatu. thatu. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th. th. th. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thi. When, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their, their, their, their, thii. thi. their, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to south of the border or is it too cold in Canada? Hicks, he's worried about his family. Yeah, I really am. Well, Canada had a very active bio weapons program. Willie actually went up there to learn,

Starting point is 01:30:50 learn the art and science of it when he first got here. And they did, around Ontario, they did a lot of open air testing. I heard on the Indian reservation. Of course. Of course. But I mean again that's why we need to know you know see those old documents but Mexico Mexico has a huge Rickettsia problem. I mean basically before we started messing with ticks a tick there'd be like one major tick in an area,

Starting point is 01:31:25 because it would adapt itself perfectly to that environment, and then the germs inside would adapt itself to living in that kind of tick. And then the humans, you know, who had been living with those ticks since the Mayflower arrived, you know, they were pretty much immune, but what happened with the, with the bio-war, you know, they were pretty much immune, but what happened with the bio warfare program and then people traveling so much is you have chaos theory, you know, and everything is out of balance. So anyways, the

Starting point is 01:31:55 Riketsu problem in Mexico is really big. And there's a CDC study if you want to read about it. Which, you mentioned that? The big problem are stray dogs. In Mexico, stray dogs. If you domesticate the dogs and put tick collars on them, then your tick-borne disease problem goes away. Which ticks are most common in the U.S., like in the Carolinas and north of there? Is it deer ticks that are most common? I mean, that have Lyme disease rather. Now because of the Lone Star tick, before, before World War II,

Starting point is 01:32:32 the Lone Star ticks were way south, pretty much Florida and Texas, and now they're moving way up, up the Atlantic coast and their lot of Lone Stars in the Carolinas. But they don't carry Lyme disease. They don't, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they their, they they their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, tineine star, tine disease, tine disease, tine disease, tine disease, tine disease, tine disease, tine disease, tine disease, tine disease, tine disease, tine disease, tine disease, tine disease, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their, their, their their their thine ti ti ti tioleolearnearnease tiolea, tiole, tiole, tiole, tiole, tioloneoneone, tioline, t lot alone stars in the Carolinas. But they don't carry Lyme disease. They carry mostly Rocky Mana spotted fever and other viruses. Which ticks are most commonly, most, the Lyme disease carrying ticks? Which of those is the most common? Those are the deer ticks? Only deer ticks?

Starting point is 01:33:04 Are there other species? Well, there's a lime-like bug in the the most common. Those are the deer ticks. Only deer ticks? Are there other species? Uh, well, there's a lime-like bug in the Lone Starts, but I don't... Not much is known about that. Yeah, not a lot of research, like you said. Right. I mean, really, the tick-borne diseases hardly have any research dollars compared to... It's such a pity. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the is it because is it because the is it because the symptoms are sort of non-specific you know and vary from

Starting point is 01:33:30 individual like don't kill you like nine point nine percent they're not like a two-week infection sort of thing is that why there's not probably it not enough body bags you know you look at COVID and people are dying so of course more money is going to get thrown at it. It's a chronic disabling disease and non-specific symptoms so it's hard to get people excited about. I mean Congress would be more willing to throw money in erectile dysfunction. I think. Yeah they all need it. It has to be real to someone. It's unbelievable shocking. Chocking Chrisby, thank you for coming on. Your book is triggered.

Starting point is 01:34:08 Where can they find it? Well, it's Amazon, Barnes and Noble, directly from the publisher, Harper Collins. It's in audio and Kindle versions. It's in paperback now, so it won't break the bank. And then you can also watch my film, which is under our skin about sort of the page perspective of the Lyme disease epidemic and the politics and the money, and that's free if you have a subscription to Amazon Prime and that's called under our skin. Boom. Boom. What? Bitten? I said triggered. I said triggered. I said bitten.

Starting point is 01:34:44 You're hearing stuff. Okay. Do you have any social media website you'd like them to see? Like them to check out? I my website. W.W. Chris Newby.com with a K. It has a really great map that shows the spread of Lyme disease and then it's got a lot of the, under the images banner. It's got a lot of the images of the old Cold War program you know the doctor no the the eight ball the ticks being forced fed diseases it's it's really cool and Willie Bergdorfer you know looking at microscopes shocking she ruined that word for me eight ball can't see it the same anymore see that's what they do they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they take take take take take take take take take take take take take tak tak tak tak tak tak they th took took thake thake thake th th the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi the thi thi thi thi thi took took took took took took took took took took took took took took took took took. took took. the. the the same anymore. See, that's what they do. They take great things like Apeball. Everyone loves an Apeball, and they turn it into something horrible.

Starting point is 01:35:30 It sucks. It just sucks. It just sucks. Thank you, Chris for coming. Sorry. But hopefully I've distracted you. You were great. This is what people need to hear so that they can go, you know, oh, man, trust the science. You know, somebody's, I'm, I'll talk about that late, but, you know, I just like people need

Starting point is 01:35:56 to know scientists, like they're human beings. They obviously want money. They want to mate out of their league.. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're to to to to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. We're theeea. theea. thea. they're they're thea. the want money, they want prestige, they want to mate out of their league, all that stuff. So it's like, you know, it's just like they're fallible, right? So it's like stop acting like, yeah, we're all humans, man. I'm sorry, you are the best, Chris. I appreciate you coming on, good luck with your book. And happy New Year and thank you for doing tinfall hat. All right, thanks very much. Take care everybody, we love you.

Starting point is 01:36:30 Perfect. You go deep home, boy. Eric, open your mind. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning.

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Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #412: The Secret History of Lyme Disease and Bioweapons with Kris Newby

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