Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #420: The Shadow People with Mike Rikseker

Starting point is 00:00:00 Tinfoil Hap. Oh, what the fuck are you guys even talking about? Global controls will have to be imposed. And a world governing body will be created to enforce them. Welcome to Tinfoil Haas. We go deep home, boy. Aaron, open your mic. Drink from the fountain of knowledge.

Starting point is 00:00:27 There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional mindek. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. There's, you just move my mind. Good morning, swarm. Good morning, to tomorrow. Good morning, Swarm and welcome to Tim Follah. You know who I am.

Starting point is 00:00:52 You know I'm here to do. I am here to. Right. There we go. My trusty, trusty friend and co-host. To know him is to love him. Xavier, word on the street is we don't smoke the same is going global. It's global. Everyone's smoking.

Starting point is 00:01:08 I hear you're the number one weed podcast in Ghana. Oh, 100%. Congratulations. And on the one and two we have my good friend Johnny Woodard, aka Johnny Nice. How's it going, brother? Johnny, how are you're thin' that, living that LA life out here. How's that going, Johnny? How's the LA life going? You're fucking working out? You're doing CrossFit? You're bleaching your beehole?

Starting point is 00:01:32 What are you doing? Just finally, I'm able to walk again, finally, without a boot on. So I'm, I'm thrilled. So, I saw you're going to have l l l ll, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the the to th, th, th, to th, th, to to the, th, to the, th. to to the, th. th. to th. to, how, how, how, how, how, how's, how, how's, how's, how's, how's, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi. still sucks. It sucks. Johnny so I'm getting calf cramps and shit now It's sucks. Are you gonna have like one leg super developed because you've been using it more? Dude I went through the first week my left leg which is the non injured leg was so shored Shredded. Is your lady giving you a foot massages? No, no, what? Jesus? No, I mean, she's afraid to touch it. Oh, she is? Yeah, because if you touch. touch. touch. touch. touch. touch. touch. touch. touch. touch. touch. touch. touch. the? the? the the the the? the the the the the the tha the the the the to the the the the the to to to the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the too? tip. tip. tip tip tip tip tip tip tip tip tip tip tip tip tip tip tip tip. tip. tip. tip. tip. tip. tip. tip. tip., she's afraid to touc it. Oh, she is? Yeah, because if you touch it the wrong way, it just hurts. Women usually love to poke those things. It's like they're just their thing, dude. Yeah, I know you mean.

Starting point is 00:02:11 She's not like that. She's not a poker? No. She's not a prodder. I do. Clean guys listen man a lot of things are going on if you want to see me live I will be in Raleigh North Carolina Holla North Carolina I will be there I will be at good nights in Raleigh I have two openers that I love very much John toll will be featuring and Jessica Wellington will be opening she's from the comedy store and John is,

Starting point is 00:02:47 I got a really great conspiracy podcast. So come grab those tickets now they, we're not doing a Friday night late show because the city won't let us dance, okay? It's kind of like footloose at this point, okay? So we're only doing Thursday, Friday, two shows Saturday, which to me is the greatest thing ever. Okay, so please come and rock hard, all right? Rock hard. And then the first weekend in March,

Starting point is 00:03:12 I am in New Jersey at the Dojo of Comedy, TIF's Comedy Club, come hang out myself, how we doing from the Cash Daddy's, and Tino Sanchez, who is always sending me videos about Trump is going to finally come back and take over the administration. So no, I'm like again, hopefully he enjoys that. Ah, Tino and I've been buying gold and silver because the crash is coming. Everybody. It's coming. It's coming. Silver, you're doing well there. Silver, it's way up. Yeah, I bought some silver. Record high, silver.

Starting point is 00:03:48 I got silver's dog. I'm holding. And if you want to know shit, go to cash daddies. to come up. People are talking about the cash daddies. to go to cash da. listed on iTunes Stitcher. It's the comedy investment show. That's a great show to check out. People really love it.

Starting point is 00:04:08 I also have a show called Zero. It is available on Rockfin, alone Rockfin. Dotcom slash zero is a spiritual podcast. I mean, if there's ever a time to get spiritual, it is now, after all this crazy stuff going on, look inside and that's kind of what the show helps you with. If you're on Rockfin, you can also get my other show, the Greatest of All Time, which is a Grace of All Time, sports talk. We're actually going to interview Larry Johnson running back about how a cult the Super Bowl

Starting point is 00:04:36 is. That will be out this week. Rockfan.com slash greatest. So check that out. I'm very excited about that. And then the then then then then then then then then then then then then then then then then then then then then the the the the then the the the the th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. their the their their their the the grax. I the grax. I the grax. I the grakeh. I the g. I the g. I the g. I the g. I the g. I the g. I the g. I the g. I the g. I the g. I the g. I the g. I the g. I the g. I'll the the the the the the the the the th. I'll th. I'll th. I'll thrace. I'll thrace. I'll thracea. I'll thracea. I'll tho, thracea. I'll thracea. I'll thracea. I'll the greatest. I'll the. Yep, slash Greatest. So check that out. I'm very excited about that. And then my conspiracy social club show with my good friend Brian Callan, I am just balls deep in that boy's ass and just crushing them. So if you want to watch a conspiracy,

Starting point is 00:04:58 conspiracy there's crush a sheep, come check it out. to thiiiii. Come check it out. It's a lot of fun. I love Brian count with all my heart Also, we just did a new broken sim. It's already available on the Patreon if you don't check that out Patreon com slash broken simulation should soon be available at Sam Tripli dot com you're able to get all of it all the universe of Sam Trivally podcast finally be in one place And tell them where they can get ten four hat now since YouTube's on our ass too. Okay, so here's what's gonna happen. We have made a decision, it's not final yet, but I'm leaning towards it, that YouTube basically does not want Timful Hat on YouTube.

Starting point is 00:05:37 So I'm really enjoying it on Rockfin, and I'm really enjoying it on Odyssey. So we have decided that we're gonna take YouTube off, we're gonna take Timfall Hat off YouTube. And we're going to just exclusively have it on Sam Tripoli.com, Rockfin.com and Odyssey and probably Bitshoot as well. On Patreon no ads. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So listen, some of you guys don't like the ads in the show.

Starting point is 00:06:05 We are now featuring ad-free on Patreon, which is Patreon.com. Slash-TinFall Hat. So check that out. But back to the show. You can get the show for free. You will always get Timfall Hat for free. It will be available on the internet for free. It's just YouTube doesn't like they just gave me a strike for a tworking video Torking and politics where girls twork and I do political rants

Starting point is 00:06:30 It's literally meant to be the dumbest content ever made right it's so dumb So why why is it done are you tell me you can't have twoking videos on YouTube? YouTube would be lighter if they took down all the tworking videos right so it's like what are we doing? so? so? So, so? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you th, are you th, are you tel, are you tel tel tel tel tel, are you? Are you? Are you tel- tel, are tel, are, are you? Are, are you? Are, are you? Are, are you? Are, are you? Are, are you? Are, are, are, are, are, are, are? Are, are, are? Are? Are? Are? Are? Are? Are? Are? Are? Are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are you? Are, are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you? Are you tel, are you tel, are you tell, you tell, you tell, you tell, you tell, you tell, you, you, you tell, are you, are you tell, are you? Are you? Are you if they took down all the tworking videos, right? So it's like, what are we doing? So it's just, here's the thing, man. I love the Swarm and the Swarm really gets it, but you guys just got to understand that YouTube, I got to get it off there. Because I want to do stand-up comedy and I want to put my specials on their. And I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I thak, and I tho, and I tho, and I tho, and I tho, and I tho, and I tho, and I want tho, and I want tho, and I want tho, and I want tho, and I want that, and I want to to to to to to to to to to to to tho, and I want tho, and I want tho, and I want tho, and I want tho, and I want tho, and I want tho, and I th th th th th th th th th th tho, and I tho, and I the, and I the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the an the an thean, thean, thean, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th life like they have some people Because I want to put my specials on there And I have broken sim I have cash daddies that I'd like to be on there well because they're not conspiracy shows

Starting point is 00:07:12 I'll never stop doing Tim full hat until we run out stuff to talk about I'll always do it, but you just can't find it there That's it. And I hate doing it because I think it's bullshit, but this is the reality we live in. So you're going to be, again, you'll be able to get TimfallHat at Sam Tripoli.com, Rockfin dot com, and they're all on Odyssey, all of them, and they're all on BITShoot as well. So I'm working on that. So that's all I got to say about that I'm not trying to be in it I would love to keep it up there but I mean Vimeo's coming after me fucking SoundCloud blocked me out I bought exclude I like brought a I bought a premium package on

Starting point is 00:07:58 sound cloud and they blocked me as soon as they got my cash they like ah no they short me as soon as they got my cash like ah nah they shorted me basically so it's like I don't know what to say man I I will always put it out for free but it just it can't be on YouTube right now so we have two more days until they take they get rid of my strikes and then I'll announce it on YouTube and then I'm gonna move it off there and you'll be getting a ton of content on YouTube but it won't be tip full tip full tip for tip for tip for the thol out tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho the tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho that's that's that's th. th. th. th. they's th. they's th. they's they's th. they's they's th. basically basically basically basically th. thi. thi. they's th they's they's th they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's th th th th th th th th th that's that that tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thoo thoooooooooooooo the thoooooooo. I's that that that that that that th it on YouTube and then I'm gonna move it off there. And you'll be getting a ton of content on YouTube, but it won't be Timful Hat because Timful Hats for the people and Google doesn't want that. So that's where we are.

Starting point is 00:08:32 Some new shirts are coming out. I got, I have, um, Fight for Charity T-Shirt's about the t-sk-shirt. It is think them will make exclusive and it's called Fisting the Machine, okay? You're gonna really love the Fisting the Machine Shirt. It is the bomb dude. I can't wait. So that's it. If you want to support the show as well, you can go to TimFol Hat T-shirts.com or TimFall Hat, Swag.com, again, they'll all be on the website very soon and you'll be able to buy and support the show. And dude, they're coming after us so I'm just trying to, you know, it's like what I say at the time, sorry, I will not be asked to leave, I will leave on my own. And that's what I want to do with YouTube. So guys, we've got a great show. We're going to talk to shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow shadow. the shadow. the shadow. the shadow. the shadow. the shadow. the shadow. the shadow. the shadow. the shadow. the sh. the shadow. the shadow. the shado. the sh. the sh. the sh. the sh. the sh. the sh. We's, the sh. I'm, the sh. I'm, the sh. I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I'm, I'm, the the the the the the the the the the the th. I'm the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that People, anything else guys? No, we good. All right, guys, I love you all very much.

Starting point is 00:09:25 Enjoy the show because I thoroughly enjoyed it. Enjoy the Shadow People. All right, so let's get into it very excited about this episode. Please welcome author and researcher Mike Ricksecker. How are you, sir? Doing well, thank you for joining us. For those who are not familiar with you, can you please tell tell tell tell tell to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, too, too, the too, too, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. I, they. I, they. I, they. I, tho, thoe. Ia, to, toeananfereeanoeanxxxeanxeaueauefficientefficient. toeauoeauoeanoeanoeanxxeaueaueatralloeatheaueatheaue. toe. Doing well, thank you for joining us. For those who are not familiar with you, can you please tell the swarm, you know, a little bit about yourself? Yeah, sure. Like you said, author and researcher. I've been involved some way, shape or form in the paranormal

Starting point is 00:09:56 field for the last 30 years. I've got 11 books to my credit. I've been on a couple of the television shows, The Haunted about 10 years ago. Most recently, the Alaska Triangles on a couple of episodes of that. You know, freezing my butt off in Alaska while doing research on electromagnetic fields and how they affect supernatural activities. So I have my own podcast and live stream show as well and pretty significant YouTube channel with over 700 videos on there. Right on the Road Media YouTube channel which delves into the paranormal supernatural and you know all sorts of creepy things.

Starting point is 00:10:34 Well that's awesome we're gonna include all those links in the description of the show so wherever you see this or wherever you're listening to it just click the links and you will be able to find all of Mike stuff Mike you said you've been into the paranormal game for 30 years were you ghost hunting as a toddler? Is that what was going on? Was this some weird kind of Hanna Barbarro fucking cartoon or something? Yeah I was like around 15 or 16 years old and you know I really had no idea that's what it was that we were doing at the time either we were talk th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to the to the to to to to to the to be to be to be to be they. they. told. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. th. th. th. the. Just. was that we were doing at the time either. I mean, we're talking like around 1990 and, you know, none of the shows were out there or anything like that.

Starting point is 00:11:09 It was maybe a couple of books you could find at the library if that, and I was in a small town. It was just one of those where my friend thought that her house going to go check it out. It's very interesting when I was a kid I would assume that mean old ladies were witches and I'd be like that's where the witch lives. Yeah I did that too. And you're like, oh no she just was like lonely and by herself. As a kid you're like. Her husband died in the war.

Starting point is 00:11:36 Yeah, right? It's like you're such a, reading the email, a guy on Johnny who's our board op, we call him, or I like to refer to him as the intern on the show. He is, he said he read the email and he almost started crying because he was so scared. So we're going to talk a little bit about shadows. That's exactly what I said. That's why I said it Johnny and I will witness. Okay, he was, I heard it, I heard it. He was so scared. And so it's like very interesting, you shadow people. So where do you want to start with all this? Because I'm in, dude, I'm all about that action.

Starting point is 00:12:15 Yeah, we could start with the first of the night, and in the corner of my bedroom, there was this tall, dark figure. Of course, I had no idea at the time that you called a shadow person or anything like that. I just thought there was an intruder in my room and it was about to kill me, because that's about what you think at that age. tail. But it did something really crazy. It actually came up to my bed, leaned over, and I'm looking up into this thing, trying to scream, my mouth opens, you know, no sound

Starting point is 00:12:49 comes out because I'm just too terrified. And it has like no eyes, no nose, no mouth, nothing, just totally blank face, all dark, all black. And it leaned over me. And then it grabbed me by my wrists, crossed my arms across my body, and then it ran off down the hall. And at this point, I finally found my voice, found my legs, ran off, you know, running to my parents' bedroom screaming about what had just happened. And, you know, like good parents, they were trying to, you know, just had a bad dream, but this was something that I was totally awake for and, you know, still still still me today. Wow! Wow that's got to be crazy. That's got to be crazy to see that as kid. Have you ever seen Shadow People XG? No I want to

Starting point is 00:13:34 know what's different to that and the coast is. That's a great question dude. That is it. That's our next question. Uh well I mean what was the basis. that. the basis. that. the basis. the basis. that. the basis. that's. the basis. the basis. the basis. the basis. that's. the the the the the that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that. that. that. that. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the the th. that. the that. that. that. that. that's that's that's that's that's that I mean, what was the base? Is that the basis for you writing your books? Or has there been more experiences like that? And we'll get into that. It's been a journey. I mean, that was the first experience. And I would never say that that house was haunted. This was like a one-time experience. We lived in that we moved into. I was about 13 years old. We were moving from Massachusetts to Ohio.

Starting point is 00:14:06 And this house, and it's funny because a little bit more of a modern house, but I'm unpacking boxes, putting things away. And I kept seeing something standing in my doorway. And when I turned and look, it would take off. And it was, you know, like the figure of a man, but it was kind of like translucent still, you know, kind of that shadowy type of figure. And this kept happening. I'd be putting things away, unpacking boxes, all that, and it would be standing there in the doorway, turn, look, and it'd take off.

Starting point is 00:14:31 So I ended up asking my mother about it, she had seen this thing too. And I guess she thought I was a little a a little a little a little a little little little little little little little little little little little little little little little little little little, a little, a little, a little, a little, a little, a little, a little, a little, a little, a little, a little, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, throwneoumi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the th. the the the the the the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th th th th th th. thi, thi thi the the the the the tod ti toda, today today thi thi thi thi thi thi thi's just thi's just thi, thi, thi. thi. So your mom was cool that your mom's like yeah dude we got some ghosts running around here this now she called a ghost or was it was it a shadow people because that's like she's question is there a difference between a shadow person and a ghost well I mean that's a great question so I mean they are there are some differences you know obviously you know a ghost of white apparition sort of thing and a shadow was just kind of dark and you know they might be translucent and the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their are their are their are th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thiblown, you know, apparition, like a ghost. And so you'll hear stories of people interacting with a family member, but they're not an apparition, they're just a shadow.

Starting point is 00:15:53 And I've actually had an experience on a paranormal investigation where I saw rolling black smoke coming from down a hallway and all of a sudden it morphs into the apparition of a little girl. So it's like, okay, confirmation there that some of these shadows, you know, are actually human spirits, but you know, it's really, we use the terms, you know, just to kind of really describe their physical look. So, you know, ghost is kind of more that white apparition and the shadow is something more dark in nature, but some of these shadows. the shadow is something is something is something is something is something is something is something is something th. th. th. th. th. th. th-s. th-s. th-s. th-s. th-so, th-so, th-a, th-a, th-a, th-a, th-a, th-a, thi, thi, their, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their, their, they. they. their they-h-s, theat their-hue-hue-hue-a. their-hue-s, their-a, their-a, their their their things as well. They could be interdimensional beings, they could be time travelers, they could be extraterrestrials, so they could be a lot of different things here. Yes, yes, that's my belief and it could be all things. I've always believed that. You know, it's like, you know, this is obviously it's a show called Timful Hat so it's a conspiracy show, right? So, you know, whenever you get in the aliens, people always got to bring up Project Blue Beam, shout out Eddie Bravo. And you know, they're always like, ah, it's not real.

Starting point is 00:16:53 The government's going to do this, but I go, based on like, the knowledge I've gained from this show, you know, it's just like, I think there's a lot of stuff stuff, their their their thi, their their thi, thi, their, thi, thi, their, thi, their, thi, their, their, their, their, thi, their, their, their, their, their, the knowledge, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, think, it's like every, I think there's a lot of stuff going on. Spirit realms, multiple dimensions, ARCONs, all those kind of things that make this world so much more interesting than anybody really gets taught. That all that stuff, it's like I tell Brian Callan all the time, all the stuff outside the laws of physics is the is the special stuff that makes where we live very very unique man. So there's different kinds of shadow people right? There's like okay you went through kind of what their time travelers. How do you know what these different times of shadow people are?

Starting point is 00:17:40 Yeah that's the trick. You know, when you first see one, you don't necessarily know offhand what it is, like, oh, okay, that this shadow is, you know, this thing, it's a time travel, or this shadow is extraterrestrial. Usually it takes a lot of going back to try to figure that out in multiple investigations. So, you know, say we're out of a paranormal investigation. We see see some some some some some some shadow, we see a shadow, we see a shadow, we see a shadow, we see, we see a shadow, we see, we see, we see a shadow, we see, we see a shadow, we see, we see a shadow, we see a shadow, thia, thia, thia, thi, shadow. We'll say at that point. Okay, there's some quote-quote shadow activity going on there right now, but we won't define it until we go back repeatedly. And if we're able to, because you can't always make the stuff interact with you, but if you're able to make it interact with you again or you're able to observe it again, you can start to kind of, you know, you to to thi, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their too.a. to to their their their their their to kind of, you know, make those deductions as to what exactly it may be. So yeah, you really don't know that first time around. Um, communicating with them, that can be difficult. Now, you know, there's this famous meme that's out there that makes me really laugh.

Starting point is 00:18:41 And it's kind of like, it's based on this, like ghost hunting show and they go to Germany and they meet,, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and their, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and they're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're really, thi, you're really, you're really, you're really, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you really thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you th, you their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their they're they're thi, they're they're thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi really really really really really really thi thi, thi, that out there that makes me really laugh. And it's kind of like, it's based on this like ghost hunting show and they go to Germany and they meet like, and they're hunting a ghost, but they're yelling out English to this German ghost. So I'm like, is that an issue? I mean, do you get like, I speak in German? Does anyone here speak German? I'm like, that doesn't help at all. Is that, is, does anybody speak any kind of German?

Starting point is 00:19:09 Does that, or do they like automatically know how to speak your language? Well, uh, expect I ambitioned Deutsch. Oh, damn, damn, did not expect that. Point guest. Yeah, right. Damn, did not expect that point guest. Point Mike. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, no, that's a great question. And it is kind of silly on some of those shows where they're throwing out, you know, English

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Starting point is 00:19:57 So yeah, if a ghost or a spirit is to you, they're most likely going to do it in their native language or language that they understand. So when you go to these foreign countries to investigate, you know, you might want to have a few phrases of that native tongue in your back pocket to throw out there and try to get some sort of response. That's so interesting, right? Like to think that's that's, that, that, like you you you you you you you you, you, you, you, you, you, to to to to to to the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. thi, thi, to, to to thi, to to to thi, that, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they, they, they, they, they's, they's, they's, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, thin. to. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. th. th. th. th. th. to think about that, that's, that, that, that, you like, you gotta go, like, what, what region we go into? And like, imagine if you go to China where there's like a thousand dialects, right? You're like, okay, this is like Southeast Mongolia, but you know, they have, they, you know, they use the Weeji board, that, the wigi board everywhere. Yeah, I mean you couldn't use the wigi board.

Starting point is 00:20:45 Like that's the whole thing, like I was in China, right? And like they put me in like, I, the scariest massage parlor I've ever been and like they had me go for one night to stay. And it was a, it was a haunted massage park. I was so scared. That's where you slept? Yeah. Oh, okay. I got you. Yeah, it was like the tiniest hotel and it was like it was haunted man. It was it was so scary. And I'm but like every time the Chinese I mean I'm trying to be disrespectful but like the China I like I would hear sounds I would hear shit I'm like is anybody there and then I realized like where I was the Chinese talk very loud in your face like oh god I'm I'm being like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that's like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is like, is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is thi is th. Is was the Chinese talk very loud in your face like God da da da and I was like oh god I'm being dead serious it was just like nobody I like we're just screaming at each other nobody knows what's going on

Starting point is 00:21:32 I said you got to get me out of this hotel I'm so you got to get that Google translate app out you know me like what do you want from me that's what you got to do man trade I don't I don't know th I th I th I th I th I don't th I don't that I don't th I th I don't th I th I don't that th I th th I th th th I th th th th th th th that that that that that that that that that that that the the the that that that that that to that that to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the try try try try try try try tell try try try tell to try that that to that that that that that that the the the to that's what you gotta do, man. I don't know if that will work, dude. I do not know what works. Hey, everybody, guess what's Valentine's Day? And guys, you know what that means? It's time to hit the wow factor. That's right. So, give her a reason to brag on the next zoom call and win Valentine's with an enviable. Enviable bouquet of red roses from 1 800 flowers.com.

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Starting point is 00:26:36 touches you. Right, right. It was definitely unusual. The one with the little girl was extremely cool because that was one in which, know we had heard stories about the little girl being in the the side room up there and we'd investigated up there many many times never had any interaction with her whatsoever before that but then you know as she morphed into the separation we're you know asking her come closer come closer and she basically you like stopped at that door. One of the more scarier ones was when we filmed for The Haunted a good 10 years ago. And with that case, that was a shadow entity with red eyes. And, you know, this family had been experiencing paranormal activity in their house for like 20 years.

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Starting point is 00:29:17 she got punched in the gut. It was totally crazy. Do you know we talk a lot on this show about about about about about about about the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. theee. thi. theeeee. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi punched in the gut it was totally crazy. Do you know we talk a lot on this show about you know multiple dimensions, realms, the universe and how children have a tend to be a little bit more in toucest in touch with the universe and energies because they're so new and then over time we probably calcify our panel gland and we lose a lot of that that that uh that uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh you you the you you you th th. the you the th. the the you th.. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. the you you to to the the th. to to to to to to to to to to th, the the the the the the the the the the th, th. th. th. the th. the the the th. th. the the the the the the the the th. the the the th. the the the th. the th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the to to to to to to tell to to tell to to to to to to tell to to to to to to to to to to the th because they're so new and then over time we probably calcify our panel gland and we lose a lot of that that that ability. Do children tend to see spirits more? Not that children and animals are the same thing but do you ever see your dog just staring up at the like the corner and you're like, okay, what are you looking at? All the time? You're wondering what the fuck is looking at? You know it's a ghost. Yeah, at least that's what you're thinking. Yeah, I have thinking that.

Starting point is 00:30:07 You don't think that? I totally think my dog is straight up staring at ghost. Cats don't do that as much. Cats don't care. well. Yeah, you're right. They're they're a bit newer. They, I mean, they've just really come. Their soul, their spirit has just come from that spirit realm. So if they are still a bit connected over yeah so they kind of like you said it was good calcified is it is a great term to use there that you know they end up losing that over time and then it's you know like a lot of times it takes us a really sensitive it's like when they hit you know puberty and they thii thir th. th. their thi thi. thir their thir thir their thir thir thir thir their thir thir thir thir thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. they're thi. thi. thi. they're they're they're thi. they're they're they're thi. they're their their their their their their their their their their is is is is is is is. their is is. their is. their is is. their is. their is. their is their their their their their their their their thi. thi. thi. the the the the the the the the the the thee. thee. thea. thee. thee. thee. thee. the the the the t young adult phase, they just all of a sudden blow up. And it can happen to guys too, but a lot of times it takes us a bit longer.

Starting point is 00:31:08 Like it was more as I became an adult, I started getting in touch with a lot of that side. It is very interesting because women tend to be into the woo woo side stuff. Like I mean like I've always been open-minded that there's something more going I always talked about the the hat that could make shit disappear in my house and Johnny doesn't believe it but it's a true story Johnny thoughts I think that's just wonderful yet you should tell this guy this guy the story this guy Sam had a hat that you could

Starting point is 00:31:41 put things in and they just disappeared. They just would disappear. What'd you put in there? Your report card? No, but do, I mean you guys can say we're crazy. What kind of how was it? It was, it was an old school, my old grandpa had left a half for me. It was an old, like, um, how to describe it. Abraham Lincoln had. It was like an old fadororora. It's a the report. It's a the the the the tha. It's tha. It's a thuadura. It's a thuadura. It's a thuadura. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi report thi. thorouadur. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. What you th. What you th. What you th. What you th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. th. th. to th. th. to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Lincoln had, that's what I'm thinking.

Starting point is 00:32:05 It wasn't a fedora, but it was like that. Like an old fedora. And my cut, my baby sitter, we put stuff under it, boom, and lift it and it was gone. Wait, who would do it? My babysitter. Oh, see, now I'm thinking it's a magic, your babysitter was doing magic tricks on you, you were like four. No I wasn't four, Johnny. I had a babysitter tell he's 19 years old. This was a twin. No dude I'm telling you man, it was magic. Stop rooting my childhood

Starting point is 00:32:32 by telling me what I saw wasn't real. Can I ask it? I have a quick question. You mentioned that you had, you had relied on some EVP recordings for one of these ghost hunts. And I consider that sort of a tested and, you know, long, long established tool in ghost hunting. But today you're seeing some newfangled devices in a lot of these shows, like these talk boxes, and like they're using, do you know, Sam that they're using on a lot of these hunts? They take old Xbox Connect cameras, you know, those used to, their, their, their, their, their, th........ A, th. A, th. A, th. A, th. A, th. A, th. A, th. A, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thev. A, thev. A, thev. A, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, th. A, th. A, th. A, th. A, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, together, together, together, together, together, together, together, together, together, together, together, together, together, together, together, together,, that they're using on a lot of these hunts. They take old Xbox Connect cameras, you know, those used to, there's a workout cameras, you know, that recognize a body, and they kind of modify them to recognize, they, and so you can see on the screen when the camera recognizes human forms.

Starting point is 00:33:17 Yeah, and it kind of represents it on the screen. And I'm curious what you think about some of these newerer new new whether you lend them any credence. Yeah, yeah, I've used a number of those different devices. The spirit boxes, I don't really like, and for one, they give me a headache. You know, they're always like, yeah, and it's like, no. But also, I don't believe ghost speak in radio, you know, and for that to be able to, you know, pick up a voice like that, it would, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th. And it, th. And it, th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, you, you're, you're, you're, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. th. Yeah, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to, to to to to to to to to to to to, and for that to be able to, you know, pick up a voice like that would have to come through,

Starting point is 00:33:48 you know, if you just look at the mechanics of how a radio works. Yeah, it'd be RF. A radio receiving a signal to go, yeah, exactly. And I just don't believe that ghost, you know, thi snippets are. Because it's like, it cycles through stations, you know, 13 stations a second.

Starting point is 00:34:10 So supposedly the spirits are supposed to know what's coming next and piece all of this stuff together to make sentences. And again, it's like, well, then you're saying that these spirits are also time trials. So I have a hard time with using that. I've seen some people prevent some compelling evidence using those. And I think that if they're speaking at all through that, it's like the background white noise because that's just an electronic pulse going through the speaker. That's separate of the radio signal. So maybe through the white noise. As far as the connect system, which they call, you know, whether it's the one one one one one one one th is th is th is tho one th is th is tho one tho one thi one thi one thi. thi. the one thi. the one thi. thi. thi.. As far as the the connect system which they call, you know, whether it's the one that's called the X-CAM and what's the other the

Starting point is 00:34:50 other term. In any case, with that, I trust that one a little bit more than I do, like say the spirit box because it's picking up motion. Now you can get a a lot of false positive so that when you actually get something, you have to debunk what's actually in the environment, what's actually in the room, because you could have like a room standing in the corner or something and all of a sudden the thing picks up on it as a bipedal form. Yeah, because it is designed only to recognize human. It's not designed to recognize human. So it's going to make everything a human. Right. A lot of times th th th th th th th times it will times it will times times times times times times times times times times times the the th the th thi the time thi the the the thi, the the thi, thi, the the thi. thi. the thi. the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. It's te. It's te. It's teuuuuuuuu. teuuuu. teu. teuuu. thu. thu. thu. thu. the. th. to designed to recognize human forms. It's not designed to recognize anything else. So it's going to make everything a human. Right, a lot of times it'll just take an object like that and turn into a human form. But if you're just, you know, have it pointed out, a blank wall

Starting point is 00:35:34 and then all of a sudden, you see this form, okay, well, you might have something. Some of the footage, some of the footage, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to, to to to to to to thi, to to to to to to, you, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, takes, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta of these, Sam, I recommend you check it out. Really impressive stuff. I mean, you'll see like, it like extended, to me it's more impressive when you see an extended, you know, something actually walking, which you see, I mean, I've seen recordings of things walking when there's nothing in a room. That's so interesting. You know where else it happens? You know how your phone does like, you know how your phone does, it finds, a ghost. If you've ever seen like someone take a selfie, they'll take a self for themselves. And then in the back, in the box of someone, yeah, like it'll find a face like that too.

Starting point is 00:36:13 And like he said, it could either be just a circle something cat trying to catch on their face or could be a ghost or a shadow person. So, so when you go when when you go, I don't know if you call ghost hunting, what do you call, what do you call what you, when you go on a mission? Yeah, I call it a paranormal investigation. Okay, so you go into paranormal investigation, do you find yourself frequency, frequently, the same type of places? places like do you ever honestly find yourself in like the inner city and like this crack house is haunted or something like that Yeah do you ever find any of that you know I have been in some sketchy places before that probably not in a good neighborhood so yeah yeah, that that does happen and You know they're like the west side of Chicago should be haunted as fuck right? Yeah, well and usually you have a case manager that vets people because there are some people that are just

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Starting point is 00:41:06 Right. Well, and I was in the Air Force at the time, so that was, that was gonna be really bad. So, but in any case, yeah, so, you know, in those couple times that I experienced sleep paralysis, it did not see any shadow people, that the very first time where I woke up in the middle,, I, I, I, and the middle, and I, and I, and I, and I, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the.............................. And, was, the the they. And, was, was. they. they. th. th. th. th. th. th th to. th th th th th th they. they. the the the time where I woke up in the middle of the night and I saw it but I wasn't experiencing sleep paralysis at the time because my arms are you know being crossed across my body my mouth opened up you know I turned my head to

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Starting point is 00:42:31 10,000 people and the pyrotechnics going off. What were you playing keytar? Yeah, you know, I'll be playing bass or something. Beem, bee tah. Ketar never never, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, I I I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll be playing, I'll be playing, I'll be playing, I'll, I'll, I'll be playing, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tr never took off and it really should have, dude. The keytar was probably way cooler than that. Yeah, that is interesting. If it's just dreams, why is it always the same kind of thing? And what is, Johnny, you've had sleep paralysis, right? Yeah, I usually, I get it rather frequently if I sleep during the day, apparently that's daytime sleeping is associated and like disruption and sleep rhythm

Starting point is 00:43:04 as associated with sleep paralysis. I've only ever had a few instances of what you describe like shadow people as, you know, upon waking. And yeah, it is commonly associated with sleep paralysis for me. I do have a question. In the time before modern medicine, I think they commonly called that like what, like a witch on your chest. And I'm curious if that's another classification of this phenomenon is like the feeling that something's on you, you know, like press. Because I understand that some people, that's a, that's their experience of these shadow people is that it's something on them, kind of holding them down.

Starting point is 00:43:40 Is that, is that a different classification as far as you know? Yeah, that's all part of it. So that's old hag syndrome and there's a lot of times where it might be like the old hag sitting on your chest. You know, pressing down, you know, it might appear as a ghoul. Sometimes as a shadow, it'll be sitting on your chest. Sometimes it might even be standing at the end of the bed or across the room or whatever. You still feel th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thin. thin. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi at the end of the bed or across the room or whatever. You still feel that pressure pushing down on your chest. And that's a phenomenon that has existed for thousands and thousands of years. Cultures from all over the world that never had any connection with each other whatsoever all described the same sort of thing. It may have been a different term that they used for and they may have had like some legend of folklore behind it but they all described the same thing like

Starting point is 00:44:31 whether it was Old Hagg syndrome or they would call it the Old Hag or the bear or some would call it the carabassan which would the dark pressor that would have been Turkey these all these different terms but it was always the same thing so, old hag syndrome is a part of this. It's the sleep. I guess my question is, of shadows. If, if you- Old hag assumes gender, John. Do you describe a different motivation to those figures that are pressing down you than those that are kind of lurking on the periphery of the, you know, your room or whatever? Do you know what I mean? I'm curious what you think they have motivations, these figures, thia figures, thia figures, thia, thia, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is thi, is, is thi, is, is a thi, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is a, is a, is a the the the the the the the they... the the thi. the thi. the thi, is a the the thi, is a the the the they. the the they. the the the tho. thoo. the the. thea. the. the. the. they, I'm curious what you think they're motivated. Do you think they have motivations, these figures? Yeah, the ones pressing down in your chest, you know, they tend to, I mean, there's a couple different things that we believe they may be doing. You know, they may be trying to possess you. You get stories like that, they may be trying to do. They may be trying trying try try trying try try try try try their their try their their their their try their their their try some trying try some some try some try some try some trying try thrying thrying their their thrying thrying thrying thr- thrying their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. th. th. th. sure unless we ask it hey what are you trying to do what's up yeah

Starting point is 00:45:26 the one standing across the room are more like the watchers you know they're just standing there observing and yeah it's very malignant theyna in every case these shadow people as far as you know they're not they're not all evil they're not they're not all evil I mean you know the ones ones they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not not they're not they're not not they're not they're not not not they're not not they're not they're not they're not not not they're not not not they're not not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not they're not they're not not not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're not they're know, the ones that are just standing there watching, okay, yes, very creepy. They're, you know, they're intruding your space, but, you know, what are they actually doing besides, you know, watching you. You know, the little girl morphing out of the black smoke, I don't think the little girl's evil, or, you know, she's certainly not evil. So it just depends on the particular shadow and what their motivations may be. In Spanish, actually, they do call it,

Starting point is 00:46:08 set the suburbo that means the dead gone on top of you. Oh, really? Yeah, so yeah, it's throughout, yeah. I remember telling my mom was like, Hey mom, I couldn'trified and I'm like I do not want to take naps anymore. But yeah, it's literally, yeah, she's like, succubus. Yeah, like the succubus, yeah. Really?

Starting point is 00:46:30 Yeah, I feel like the thi. I feel like theytea. I feel like the Latino or we do. You know I'm just just thick that kind of got. I mean they get Halloween and the day of the dead too. You're not allowed to touch the widjy board at the house like that is like man appear as a shadow, that implies some kind of hierarchy of manifestations. Are shadow people a sort of a lesser manifestation? How would you describe that? Well, again, it kind of depends on the shadow. the shadow, so again, some are just humans they can't fully manifest as an apparition, so it's only a shadow they comethey come across you know if it's a

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Starting point is 00:48:14 Like what's the, what's the peak experience for a ghost-a-oasteas far as you know? What do you think? Yeah, a lot of people say that, you know, a full body apparition is, you know, the holy grail, but there are other times that people have reported having interaction with somebody that, you know, just seemed like a regular person and that they had, you know, full-blown conversation with that person and then all of a sudden as they, you know, turned to walk to walk to walk to walk to walk to walk to walk to walk to walk to walk, to to to to to to, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their.. their.......................... So, their... So, their... So, their. And, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, they, you know, turn to walk out of the room, they're like not there, they might even see them just kind of like disappear. I haven't had an experience like that. I've seen an apparition which is more of like, you know, that ghostly white, but yeah there are people that have reported seeing spirits, you know, as full flesh and which to me would be the Holy Grail. I asked because I know a couple of people who have seen, and you mentioned red eyes before, I'm curious what your take on red eyes, a couple of people in my family that had independent experiences with this woman with white hair,

Starting point is 00:49:12 old woman appearing in the backs of their cars with red eyes, just staring at them in the rear view, and it terribed two different really sober-minded, really... In the same city? In the same place. They were driving over this bridge that has since been kind of... No, no, different times. I'm doing, and then they happened to mention it at the same time and the guy, it's my dad and this guy that's a friend of our family, like, in kind of a cousin. Oh! I know what do you think about about people like ghosts that haunt a specific area is that like what what are

Starting point is 00:49:54 they doing when they're hopping in the back your car what's the what's the goal there I'm really curious about motivations of these intercollectic hitchhiking doc right right you hear about those you know know, hitchhiker ghosts or the vagabond spirits and you know usually it's some sort of connection that they have with that area. A lot of times when you get that you know with vehicles and on cars on the side of the road. the times when you know, theyrear, you know, there's some sort of accident thrown. the the the the the the the, you, you, you, you, you, you, their, you, tho, you, tho, you, tho, you, you, tho, tho, you, the, the, you, thrown, thrown, you know, that, that, that, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, that, that, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that, that, that, that, that, you, you, you, you, you, you, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, their, usually, usually, thin, usually, that, their, usually, their, their, you know, their, their, their, that, that, that, the side of the road and got hit by a car or maybe they were in a car accident right there themselves or something like that or you know maybe they if it's a bridge maybe they jumped off the bridge you know so they have some sort of connection to that area and that's why they keep a pair you'll even hear stories of like actual ghost cars like the whole car itself

Starting point is 00:50:37 is actually the apparition those stories? Are they pretty universally a negative thing to see red eyes or is that? Yeah, red eyes are generally considered more negative. I mean, like, the best story would be like just something with red eyes standing there staring at you, but that's still pretty, you know, creepy. Yeah, usually red eyes are considered more nefarer. You'll get different rep report or different reports of colored eyes like, like blue or purple or yellow or something like that. So it's not always just red, although it's mostly red. That's so interesting. Yeah, usually the

Starting point is 00:51:15 eyes like that glowing or it's that's not a good sign. I could I could listen to this all day. I mean, I'm all about that action dude. You had a question. I, I, I was I was I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. I their. I their. I the their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I the report. I the report. I the report. I the report. I the report. I the report. I the report. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. the. tip. tip. tip. tip. tip. tip. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the I'm all about that action dude. You had a question. I was just going to say on in the Mexican myth is the only reason they only jump in your car is if you don't try to help them out. Like if you see them hitchhiking you're supposed to like pull over and be like, hey, do you want some help? And they'll like deny it. And if you don't even stop and help them out till all of a sudden be in your ride and you're not even supposed to acknowledge them. See that's the thing, it sounds like something that the hippie hitchhikers invented to tell the straight people that they pick them up. And like, who picks up hitchhikers right now? It's like, hey, I'm gonna pick up this hitchhiker. And by the way, use this picture, I, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, th, th, th, th, the, thi, thi, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thk, thk, thk, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, so, thi, thi, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, thi, so, thi, so, so, so, so, so, so, thi, so, so, so, so, thi. And, so, so, so, so, thi, thi, thi, thi, I mean, anybody pick up hitchhikers ever? No, not for 30 years. You've been on the road. You've never picked one up? I've never picked one up. I've just, there was actually a hot chick the other day that was like trying to beg and hitch. I'm like,

Starting point is 00:52:14 sorry, not happening. I mean, just. Not even old Sam. Not maybe old Sam. I got two kids Sam now. So interdimensional, man. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. th. th. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. It's. It's. there. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. I. I. I. two kids Sam now. So interdimensional man, it's very interesting dude. Like are you into the interdimensional thoughts of like where we live and what, what, and how just everything going on at one time and this realm that we live in? Like what are your thoughts on all that? Oh absolutely, so yeah everything going on at one time. So, you know, I believe that, you know, time doesn't really exist that everything that, you know, in the past, present, and future, it's all happening concurrently at the same time. And, you know, some of these shadows that we're observingtwo levels of existence the two planes of existence are actually resonating at the same time for a brief moment and we're actually

Starting point is 00:53:08 able to catch a glimpse of like say the past and what's really cool and what's really cool and what's their thel that's their glimpse of that past who's their past is actually getting a glimpse of the future so and they're haunting our reality. Right exactly. That's concerning that we don't see too many people from the future appearing. That maybe that might indicate we don't we don't have a future. I know because you always hear about people dress you know they see people in old time. They're 1800s. Yeah you rarely hear about anybody dressed you know like like a space alien or whatever it's. Well I mean that's a whole thing? How do you know how we dress in the future? Do we destroy? Maybe we're shadow people in the future. Yeah, styles come back around. I mean maybe we start dressing like you know Victorian style again. Yeah, maybe they come back and

Starting point is 00:53:50 they dress like flock of seagulls from the 1980s. Yeah, you had the new romantics and all that shit, yeah. Are there, it's just, gone, sorry. You hear about like, well, yeah, the different style apparitions, I mean, okay, when we see like a woman in a Victorian dress, will you immediately put her back into that era? Okay, you know, this is a woman from that time period.

Starting point is 00:54:17 What's interesting, like, specifically with the shadow, the tiethe ones wearing the different style hat. So it could be like a fedora or a top hat. I've heard one report of like an archer style hat, like something out of Robin Hood, or like a wide-brimmed hat, like maybe almost Zoro. So, and again, we kind of associate that with, you know, perhaps different time frames. So, yeah, they'll have a bit of a style to themselves occasionally. So you are here on a couple of notes you sent me, you mentioned simulated universe, which I'm very much into, I think this is like a realm, but it's like a video game and that's why and you know not to get in. Yeah, I mean for me, the Simons, I never thought about that, but listen, so I mean that's

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Starting point is 00:55:35 because they both manifest their own reality. But one thing that I've always thought about was like, you know within like the AR-cons and they're rolling stuff and everything's always like get out leave I'm like I've always thought that maybe that there's these ARcons that are working the simulation that we're not meant to hear or see but somehow we do and they're like dude get out of here I'm working you know what I'm saying it's like don't don't look at the man behind the curtain almost they're like get out go to tho the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th th th th th. th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thean the theeee they're thee they're the the th what I'm saying? It's like, don't look at the man behind the curtain almost. They're like, get out, go, let me do my job. I got one more year to retirement, get out of here, right?

Starting point is 00:56:13 Or something like that. Like, what are your thoughts on that? Like, that role in the simulation. I've also had people on real, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, to, to, to, to, to, to to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the tho, the the the the, the the the the the.oooooo, the the the the.ooooooo, the too, too, too, the, to ghosts could be old programs in the simulation that's still just somehow playing over and over again. Yeah, they're almost kind of when they say things like that, they're almost kind of quoting, you know, the matrix or taking an idea from there. And my ideas from it, not too dissimilar. So I actually have a degree in game and simulation programming, so I have a little background in this. And actually when you look at the idea of the world or the

Starting point is 00:56:51 universe being some sort of simulation, you know, it's not a foreign concept. This is actually what our, you know, our religions, most of our religions actually teach us that, you know, we are here for a short period of time and then we go off somewhere else. Some of them, you know, reincarnate and you keep coming back and back, others, you know, you, come from wherever it was, you're here for a little while and then you go on to, you know, heaven or hell, you know, kind of depends on your religion. But this is still just a temporary place where where where where where where where where th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. And thi. And you're, and you thi. And you're thi. And you know, thin. And you thin. And you know, you know, you know, you they. And you they. And you they. And you they. And you they. And you they. And you th and you th and you th and you th and you th. And you th. And you th. And you thi. And you thi. And you thi. And, you thi. And, you thi. And thi. thin. thin. thin. thin. th. th th th th th theeeean. th. theean. thean. thean. the depending on the religion, we're judged based on what we do here, or, you know, maybe we're supposed to learn some lesson while we're here and then come back and learn more lessons, you know, whatever it is.

Starting point is 00:57:31 This is just a temporary place, which is basically, you know, what a simulation is. You know, we access it when we're in like a game environment, we access within that environment, we do some stuff, and then, you know, we were we come back out and we live our, you know, regular life, whatever that is. So given that, and we experience shadow people in other things in this environment, what are they? Could they possibly be? And I postulate this in my book. Could they possibly be, you know, like game masters? You take like a massively multiplayer online game and as a game master you go. You to th. You know, you take like a massively multiplayer online game. And as a game master, you go into that world, you're kind of looking around seeing what's going on.

Starting point is 00:58:09 Maybe you're there to fix something or whatever. And usually you're invisible. But every once in a while, you know, one of the players kind of gets that, hey, there's somebody over here. One of the GMs is over here. And they can they they can they they can they can they they they they can they they they they they they the they can their, you their, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, their, you th, th, you're, you're, th, you're, you know, you know, you know, thi, the, you know, you know, you know, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th........ th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to be, to be, to be, to be, th. th. th. th. the. to theree. to to to to the.. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the. to the. the. to to the one of the GMs is over here and they can just you can tell either you know there's like a little glitch or maybe you know something weird is going on with the graphics or whatever and you get okay there's there's somebody over here and maybe that's kind of what we're seeing maybe we're seeing a game master for lack of a better term from that real world coming down and doing something. We don't know.

Starting point is 00:58:46 Is there any chance to shadow people or aliens? I had a gentleman on yesterday that was just talking about being abducted and what he saw and he described something that wasn't really like a black shadow but it was this white entity that was obviously much higher up on the evolutionary scale so is it possible that these are aliens from another like inter like aliens from another planet that are just here to observe and not be seen? Yeah sure you know there are a lot of similarities between some of these, you know, alien abduction stories and the, you know, sleep paralysis, old hag stories. There's a lot

Starting point is 00:59:31 of similarities between the two. And, you know, they could be aliens from, you know, another, you know, galaxy or solar system or whatever on a variety of different levels. Like, you know, it could be something more interdimensional where theydimensional where they have learned to traverse the cosmos in ways that we couldn't even bathe them. You know, I always talk about, you know, bending space and time and creating warm holes and things like that. And so maybe they've developed a type of technology like that and they've come into our world and you know, they're observing us or taken us tha thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. thee. throooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooe. the. th us back to, you know, do some sort of tests. I mean, we would do the same if we discovered a way to go to another planet, let's grab the indigenous life forms and study them. Yeah, for sure. Or, you know, or if it's something physical where they have a craft hovering above earth or maybe they've actually touched down, you know, if they go into, you know, somebody's home or whatever, they're probably going to to to to to to to to to to to to to their, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you know, you, you, you know, their, you know, you know, you, you, their, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the're probably going to want to try to disguise themselves on some level.

Starting point is 01:00:25 And maybe they have some sort of cloaking technology that doesn't quite work with our eyes. They probably don't fully understand our physiology. And so they try this cloaking device and we see them as a shadow or maybe people talking about seeing a shimmer man or something like that. So maybe they're coming off a little bit differently and not fully cloaked. Damn, dude. I think it's so interesting all of it. Um, who have you ever heard a shadow person? Have they ever been like, hey, um,

Starting point is 01:00:56 that's the voice they have. Oh, people talk about hearing the voices of shadow people. I can't, I can't say that I have, but those that have, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's all, the voices of shadow people. I can't say that I have, but those that have, you know, it's all, you know, telepathy. They don't really have a mouth in order to, you know, project a voice. So it's usually some sort of thought transferrance or telepathic. So, telepathic.

Starting point is 01:01:18 So, tell, thou, thr-telepathyathy and stuff like that. That's how you think they would communicate? Yeah, yeah, certainly again, they don't have a voice box. They don't have a mouth. The only way they could communicate, unless they know sign language, I guess, would be through some sort of thought transference. And, you know, people get a variety of different messages, you know, others are just like, you know, can you see me? Yeah, I can see you. Thank you. Goodbye. You know, I'm so interesting, dude. Are there shadow animals? Yeah, absolutely. I've seen some that were like at cemeteries. I'll see sometimes like a shadow cat.

Starting point is 01:02:02 There was, uh, when I used to live in Oklahoma, there was one cemetery there. I saw this, you know, little shadow cat. There was, when I used to live in Oklahoma, there was one cemetery there. I always saw this little shadow cat running around there, which makes sense, you know, especially with the ancient Egyptians believing in cats, being guardians of the dead and that sort of thing. But yeah, people have seen like shadow spiders. But yeah, people have seen that up on waking up. A spaddy spider spiders, yeah. thirty, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thus, thus, thi, tho, thi, I thi, thi, thi, I was, I there, I there, I there, I there, I there, I there, I there, I I I there, I I I there, I I I I I I there, I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I, I. I I, I I. th. th. th. thi, I thi, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was thi, I was thi. tho. thoo. thooooo. tooananananananan, too. too. too. tho. thoo. thoo. there, I was there, I've seen that upon waking. Shadow spiders, yep. What does that look like, Johnny?

Starting point is 01:02:27 This is like a shadowy spider on the wall, man. How big? Uh, it's quite, quite big, yeah. I mean like, big is your hand maybe? Something like that? Whoa. And then it just disappears? Yeah, yeah, kind of fades.

Starting point is 01:02:40 Wow. Yeah, that um, I, uh, hellhounds. I wonder, do they fall on, are they shadow? You know, you hear then folklore, like, stories of hellhounds, these big black dogs and that kind of ride the planes. Yeah, I, yeah, I wouldn't necessarily put them in the realm of shadows, unless it was just like, you know, maybe a, a black form about that size, you know. Understood. But just, you know, when you're talking like the classic Hellhound, probably not. Okay. So my question is, shadow people, have we heard about this through like time, through civilization,

Starting point is 01:03:19 through ancient cultures, have there been talks of shadow people? Yeah, absolutely, especially when it comes to like old Hacks and you know, they would refer to those as, you know, as to, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as to, as, as to, as to, as, as to, as to, as to, as to, as to, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, like, like, th, th, th, th, th. ths of shadow people? Yeah absolutely especially when it comes to like old Hacks and you know they would refer to those as you know some sort of shadow ghost you know pressing down on the chest and that goes back as far as like ancient Sumer they had a what they had actually called a demon named Allu that was you know very very similar it was a spirit that would hover over you press down your chest you know it had no had no features, you know, basically like a lot of these shadow entities. Also had like no limbs, which is really kind of bizarre, but they

Starting point is 01:03:49 called it a binding spirit. It was very different back then, it was very different thin. It was very, very different thin. It was very different thinking back then, but, you know, like even the ancient Egyptians had, you know, they had the belief of seven different parts of the soul.... thiiiii. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, th. the, th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, back then. But, you know, like even the ancient Egyptians had, you know, they had the belief of seven different parts of the soul. And one of those was the shadow in, so the shadow in the Ka, which was the animating part of the soul, those would stay here on earth, while the other parts of the soul would go on to the consolation of Orion and make the after life........ th. And th, so th, and th, th, th, th th th th th th th th th th thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus, and tho tho tho, and thus, and tho, and tho, and one tho, and one tho, and one tho, and one tho, and one tho, and one tho, and one th, and one th, and one th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th tho tho th, and tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thus, tho tho tho tho tho, tho, tho, tho... And one of tho.. And tho. And tho. And tho. And one of tho. And one of tho. And one of tho. And one of tho. And one of tho. And one afterlife journey. So, you know, we see this a lot through all different cultures throughout history. You were mentioning that a shadow person could possess you.

Starting point is 01:04:31 Would it be the same possession as like what you see on like the actresses where like they get these abilities to talk and they get all this all new powerful strength or is it a whole different situation? You know, you've, there's all kinds of, you know, interesting cases out there with, you know, like a demonic possession or what have you. They're all, you know, differing degrees of strength. Some, some take on, yeah, like almost superhuman powers, and, you know, they're able to throw things around, do things physically that they wouldn't normally be able to do. You know more more the cases are around oppression and like that case that I was talking about earlier that was a demonic case and she was certainly

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Starting point is 01:06:31 Carl Johnson, who is a demonologist by trade. He's been doing this for 50 years, you know, that was 10 years ago now, that was actually his last demon case he's been on all kinds of you know different cases to you know each have their varying degrees of paranormal activity in yet each one even if they were nasty because it could be a nasty human spirit you know usually usually people kind of carry on with their personality into the afterlife what they were in life so if they're a jerk in death and they might be you know creating havoc around the house they're just they're just a jerk. What's they're the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their. they're going to be a jerk in death and they might be, you know, creating havoc around the house. It doesn't make them demonic. They're just, they're just a jerk. What's the, uh, what's the diagnostic process there? How do you differentiate when you're

Starting point is 01:07:10 on a, on a scene between demons? Yeah, that's a good question. You know, it's, uh, you know, we were back at that house several times. We ran, you know, probably at least a half dozen full investigations. We were in constant contact with the family. You know, we've thought for a while that it may have actually been the spirit of the original homeowner's father, because he actually committed suicide in that room where she was sleeping. So we had to go through a lot of investigating to deduce that it was not him or a couple of others that may have been there because there were his son, the original homeowner, tried to commit suicide failed in that house and then there was a young boy who accidentally asphyxiated himself in his closet in the house. All these horrible things happened there and so you know we're having having to have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have a to have a the. the. the. the their. th. their. th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A thi. A thi. A th. A lot a th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A their a their a their a their a their a th. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. te. te. th. th. the. the. th. the. the. the. the. the house. So all these horrible things happened there.

Starting point is 01:08:05 And so, you know, we're having to deduce, okay. Is it any one of these particular potential human spirits? Or what we ended up deducing was that there was this, you know, nasty spirit there that was attached to the land when the home was built? And it was lashing out at these people to do different things to themselves. And that's where the girl, Talison, that's where she was headed down. She was heading down the road of wanting to harm herself when she hadn't had those thoughts before. What are your thoughts on, um, that, now this may not be your expertise and you may not be into it, but what's your thought on this seems to be like this work of the occult in the elites?

Starting point is 01:08:47 You know, we hear people selling their souls and stuff like that. What's your take on all that? Like selling their souls to Satan or something like that? Yeah, like there's, you know, there seems to be like this kind of like this secret societies and of like people trying to connect with spirits, dark arts, selling their soul for opportunity. What are your thoughts on all that? Well, I believe there are a lot of people that try to do that, you know, whether they're successful or not. You know, I believe that, you know, people can, you know, manifest whatever it is that they want in their lives, you know, whatever the, you know, mind can conceive

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Starting point is 01:10:16 Do you teach dancing too? Yeah, I do all this because I can't sing or dance. So, you know, we're living in just some interesting times, you know, the Super Bowl's coming up and, you know, of course, once the Super Bowl happens, all the conspiracy theorists will be like, look at the occult. It's the occult everywhere and all this stuff. And, you know, I had a woman who did exorcisms on my show and she talked about you know demons, the light, these archangels and Lucifer. Is that, do you believe those those exist in realms? Well, you know, on some level, yeah, you know, there are, you know, more positive and negative entities out there. I think, I think, over the, you know, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the demons, the the demons, the demons, the demons, the demons, the demons, the demons, the demons, the demons, you know, you know, you know, the demons, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, demons, the, the, the, you the, you the, you the, you the, you the, you the, you the the. Dem. Dem. Dem. Dem. Dem. Dem. Dem. Dem. Dem. Dem. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the, I, I, I, I, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, know, there are, you know, more positive and negative entities out there.

Starting point is 01:11:08 I think over the millennia, we have assigned names to them. And, you know, I think, you know, you look at the old, you know, goetic grimoires, you know, the stuff like Alistair, you know, the stuff you could almost look at it as demonic folklore, you know, that, you know, there are all these legends out there, these different demons and they all have these different names and, you know, I believe it's all rooted in some truth. So, yeah, I believe that there are, you know, certainly more positive and negative beings out there that, you know, are influencing our world, you know, what exactly their motivations are. I don't, th, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. the. theeea. thea. thea. thea. the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their their know what exactly their motivations are. I don't I think we try to understand what those motivations are but I think it's a little bit beyond our capacity at this point to truly understand what those are. In your in your adventures has this cause you to be more religious or less religious?

Starting point is 01:12:02 I've just I'm more open. So I grew up Catholic and so I had a very religious upbringing and background and you know I've never, I've never denounced my Christian faith. You know, I still will to this day say that I'm a Christian. It's just very different than the way I grew up or even, you know, my young adulthood, I kind of went away from the Catholic Church. And I was trying some other like non-denominational Christian churches. It's just very different. I believe I have a, you know, wider understanding of the world and spirituality. And I've, you know, and I've dove into, you know, some of the old, um, the other text like, you know, the non-commodty gospels and gosp.. gosp. the gosp. the gosp. Gosp. And gosp. And gospel. And gospel. And the gospel. And the the the the the the their, their, their, their, thi. And, thi. the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And I I thi. And I thi. And I the, the, the, the, the, the the the the thi. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I was, thi. And I was th. And I was th. And I old, the other texts like, you know, the non-commodied

Starting point is 01:12:45 Gospels and the apocrypha and, you know, some of the ancient ancient, like my desk over there, I have the Egyptian book of the dead. So, you know, I've looked into a lot of these different things and just, you know, open myself up to a a lot of different ideas because, you know, our humanity has been exploring for the key.......... the the the th. the the. the the. the. the the thi. the the thi. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. their, their, their, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, their, toe, toe. I's, toe. I'm, toe. I'm, toe. I'm, toe. I'm, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, toe. And, toe. And, toe. And, toe. And, toe. And, toe. And, toe. And, toe. the the the the the the toe. the the the the the the they. the toe. the the toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. exploring for the keys to the afterlife and each culture has had their own way of trying to explain it and try to get a grasp on it. And I think no one is completely correct. They all have elements of what that truth is. And somewhere out there is the right combination.

Starting point is 01:13:20 And it's finding that combination or just not trying to find anything at all and just be in the moment. You know, it's kind of interesting, man. It's just interesting stuff and I just very much believe in a lot of it. I believe in the, but I don't know if it's good versus evil, it's high frequency versus low frequency and all that stuff that's involved and there's a battle and we make decisions and do you believe in possession? Do you believe someone could become possessed? Yeah yeah absolutely you know

Starting point is 01:13:55 like I said that with Talison we saw our like borderline you know getting there to possession you know I've seen I've seen all kinds of interesting video. I mean, there's plenty out there in the internet. But, you know, from people that I trust as, you know, who are actually designated as demonologists, and they've shared plenty with me that's like, okay, sure, I certainly believe that. But I've also, you know, have felt things trying to get inside me at different times. And, you know, those are moments in which I actually bring up my Christian faith and will actually just pray against it and then boom, it goes away. It hasn't happened a long time, but yeah, just, you know, maybe a handful of times, something has tried. And so it's like, okay, so that's,

Starting point is 01:14:37 I have a glimpse of what that feels like. And it's, that's a that's a scary. like and it's it's a scary moment so I really feel for those that actually do get taken over. You know we we live in Los Angeles here I personally think there's that the city is snagging homeless people and they're slowly not quickly they're doing it slowly so nobody's like where the fuck did all the homeless people go but I drive by these encampments and that it's full and then one day it's empty but everything's there and then the next day it's all gone and you're like but nobody's gonna complain if you do it slowly but thoats thoo theyre's the the people man and I just believe like a lot of them are possessed I mean they call it all the the they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they th they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they th th th th th th th th try try try try try try try try to try th th th tho tho tho the they they they they they they they they they call, we say it all time here but you know it's like alcohol they call spirits for a reason and I just you see these guys are like

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Starting point is 01:16:29 You know, do they have schizophrenia? Do they have some other neurological issues going on, you know, or they're possibly possessed? So there's a lot of different things that could be, you know, factoring in their? You know, it could be, you know, a few of them, if not just one. So we're going to wrap it up here in a couple minutes, but I just want to ask you, can you tell us a little bit about the Black Eye Children, Slender Man, and, or the crawlers? Like, I'd love all that stuff. I'd love to hear a little bit about each one of them and what they represent. Yeah, the crawlers, they're another type of shadow entity and I've actually had a crawler experience.

Starting point is 01:17:05 It was at an abandoned church out in the middle of nowhere. There were, you know, local legends of, you know, people doing some occult work up there and, you know, you know, you take that with a grain of salt, you know, it's an abandoned church and it's kind of burned out and there's all kinds of graffiti all over the place. So yeah, who knows what anybody did. But, you know, we were down in the basement of that church one night, and we saw the shadow slip in through the window, and all of a sudden, you know, the things circling us around the room. You're seeing like these really fast and really long, like arms and legs kind of flailing the floor because a bottle went flying. It smacked against the metal railing that was there.

Starting point is 01:17:45 And it was getting kind of crazy in there. So the psychic medium that was with us at the time suggested, OK, let's say a couple of prayers, you know, sing a hymn or whatever, kind of lighten the atmosphere and make a more positive energy. And we did drive that was the crawler that everybody talks about that was pretty crazy you know as far as like black-eyed children I think those are another type of interdimensional being different than shadow entities because this is where you have you know it's a full you know body you know person as as a child just all black eyes

Starting point is 01:18:20 they just very drab they're very monotone when they speak in. Their whole game, their whole game, their whole goal is to get into your home or your car. People report them coming up to the car too. And they speak very oddly because they'll say things like you want to invite me in. You want me to watch TV with you, you know. Come play with us, thu. Yeah, come play to come play to come play the the the to come play th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that. that. that. that. thathe. thathea. thathea. that. their. the. the. the. th. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. Come. So, to. to. I. to me. I. I. to me. to me. I. to to to toge. to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the Come play with us. Yeah, come play with us, that sort of thing. It's like, um, and the person that's like the victim, you know, they're kind of torn, you know, because they have this like, okay, I don't know who this is, but they're a child. I want to invite them in. And then, though, they have the other like, you know, flight, like, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's, that's, that's, that's, that's like, that's like, that's like, that's like, that's. That's. That's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. That's. That's. that's. That's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's like, that's like, the. the. the. the. the the the the the the the the the that's like. that's like. that's like. that's like, that's like, that's like, thatbye kid. Go get a paper route job. I mean, the obvious question here is what happens if you do invite them in?

Starting point is 01:19:09 I mean, does that grant them some kind of dominion in the home or whatever? I mean, they're in. They're in your house. Yeah, one of the stories that I know of with that where it got invited in, what was actually at a car and the, car and the mother had run into the store to just grab something real quick it left the kid in the car and the black-eyed kid had actually come up to the car and the kid that the child actually invited the black-eyed kid into the car and so the mother comes back and sees that there's this other kid in the car which is jet black eyes and so she tel us the black kid the kid kid kid kid kid kid kid kid kid kid kid kid kid the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th the th th th th the th th th the th th th th the I the I th the I the I the the the I'd the I the I th the the the the th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the te tttttoo ttttttttttoo the the the the the the the there's this other kid in the car which is jet black eyes and so she tells the the black-eyed kid to get out of there

Starting point is 01:19:49 but then you know all kinds of crazy stuff ended up happening where I can't remember the circumstance but for some reason because she was so freaked out that this happened she had called the husband to come and pick them up or whatever and he ended up driving that particular car back. He ended up getting a nasty car accident. But just before that nasty car accident happened, there was like this real foul odor that kicked up. And so yeah, it was really bizarre.

Starting point is 01:20:15 So the idea is that if you invite them in, then these nasty and nefarious things are going to happen. You mentioned the order. Is that something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something. thiiii, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the they. they. the the the they. the the to to to to. to. to to to to to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the t. t. t. t. t. te. te. te. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to happen. You mentioned the order is that something that happens with demons or before something crazy happens? We should get a smell? You know people, yeah people associate you know those type of foul smells or the sulfuric sense you know to be more demonic in nature. You know if you're on a paranormal investigation you know sometimes you kind of look to the you know guide to your left and you're like was that you? Some farts, it's like, gotten really, it's haunting here, you're like, yeah, it's haunted,

Starting point is 01:20:47 I gotta go, bye, really. Slenderman, obviously Slender Man, became big recently in pop culture, some teenage kids were getting into Slender Man. What is Slender Man for these boomers over here? Yeah, yeah, Slenderman. That Slender Man is actually a piece of fiction that, well, we don't know if it's real or not anymore. So it began as a piece of fiction through a,

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Starting point is 01:22:56 Now, where I find it kind of interesting, you hear about the idea of tulpomancy that, you know, people are actually, you know, have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have th this th this th this th this thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they.. they. thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. tean, thea. thean, thi. the the the thi. the the thi. the the the thipa Mancy, that, you know, people are actually, you know, have this craft of creating these, these sentient beings. And I see them trying to do with like different enemy characters, like, okay, now they have an enemy character, tulpa walking around with them, which is kind of interesting. So it's almost to me, kind of almost the take of these imaginary friends today actually become real over time? Possibly. Geez, these kids, and they want to let these kids vote. They're like trying to make anime kids real. They're like, let them vote.

Starting point is 01:23:33 Can we do this with Santa Claus please? That's, that would be the greatest. That would be, until a guy shows, comes down in your chimney and you're like, fuck dude, what do you do in here? He's got a shotgun. Games different now. So total number of experience you've had personally. What would you put that number at? Oh my gosh, I have no idea. Over 10? That's like somebody tried to ask me how many paranormal investigations I've been.

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Starting point is 01:24:31 You know, I would start getting jealous of Girl Ghost. Yeah, oh, you see this ghost? Oh, you see the other gos? So Mike, real quick again, can you tell, tak, listeners where they can find you and what are the names of your other books so they can look them up? I'm going to put it all in the description, but if you want to just break it down. Yeah, absolutely. You know, latest book is The Walk in the Shadows, A Complete the Shaddley to Shaddle People.

Starting point is 01:24:56 I have ten other books on paranormal activities. The ghost, the Paranormal Series, Ghosts of Maryland, Ghost and Legends of Oklahoma. I also have two mystery novels, Deadly Ayers and System of the Dead. You find me Mike Rick Secker.com, haunted road media.com, also the Hunter Road Media YouTube channel and Edge of the Rabbit Hole YouTube channel, which is where we do our live stream shows. I also just a week and a half ago launched the Connected Universe portal.com. So this is a place. It's a it's a

Starting point is 01:25:26 membership site but it also is going to have classes and all kinds of all kinds of different courses on supernatural and paranormal activity. So definitely check that out. Become a ghostbuster dog. A man. Do you give scholarships? I mean it's not scholarships but you know they're full-fledged courses on stuff like this on you know on know, on shadow phenomenon, on interdimensional beings. It's called Connected Universe. So we're going to get into a lot of the inner workings of the universe, spirituality and all those sorts of things.

Starting point is 01:25:56 I love it. Mike, thank you so much for coming on, guys. Thank you, Johnny, thank you, XG. This has been a great episode, we appreciate it. Anytime we got something else you want to talk about Mike, please come back on. He's, he is Mike, Rick Sicker, right? Did I get that right? Did I get wrong?

Starting point is 01:26:17 Rick Sacker, there we go. I went now where I tried my hardest, that's all you can ask for someone. He came, he saw I, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. tho, tho, tho, thi, tho, tho, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Thank, th. Thank, th. Thank, th. th. th. th. th. Thank, tha, thi. than, than, than, to's, to's toed. toed. toooooo. toed. toed. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha, tha, hardest dude, and that's all you can ask for someone. He came, he saw I kicked a whole lot of ass and thank you guys for your support. Greatly appreciate to see you guys in North Carolina and Raleigh with Johnny's hand. From the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional mindets. Wake up, Aaron! This is only the beginning. You just blew my mind. Tim Foil Hack.

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