Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #426: Faculty X With Jason Hewlett

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Starting point is 00:01:22 What's going on? Nice. How are you? bud? Good man. Still back in North Carolina, living that freezing life. It was, I know you were just there. It was cold, right? It was cold. It was cold. Okay? Definitely cold. But you know what, man? I'm glad you're back with your family. Spend it a little time with your grandma, okay? Love you very much. Shout out grandma, okay? Thank you. Guys, if you want to see me live, I'm going to be in New Jersey at the dojo of comedy inside TIFs, okay? Just go to TIF's comedy.com and grab your tickets. I will be there. March, 4th, 5th, and 6th. I'll be with Howie Doey and Tino Sanchez and tickets, believe

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Starting point is 00:07:28 which is off at Joe Blow.com. And we came from the basement. thoo and then, you know, Twitter, Jason Heeled, all that kind of stuff. I will, and that is where I'll be available in the links below. I've got to be honest with you man. Canada is really kicking a whole lot of ass when it comes to the alternative media, whether it's research, spirituality, conspiracy, like there's some of our best guests are from Canada, so we're super excited to have you on. It's very interesting that you guys are so deep into the alternative,

Starting point is 00:08:01 and yet you, your Prime Minister is a giant sack of shit, which is like, but, but we have nothing, we can't, I mean, dude, we have outdone you. At least yours is good looking, you know what I'm saying? But he does the hair, hair flip really, really well if you've watched any videos with him. He's got that down pat, right? So I don't know. Castro's kids, Deepak, I gotta, gotta be honest with you, man. I think, maybe we're more open to it. I guess, like, we smoke more pot up here.

Starting point is 00:08:28 I don't know, we legalize it, it's easier to get a holdup. You can buy it any, like, we got pot stores as common as liquor stores in Canada right now. So it keeps everybody pretty chill. Well, I've, I do shows up there, I go to a mall and like Edmund Tim, they have like adult bookstores and gun shops in the mall. In the mall, like people would lose their skulls down here. They would be either they'd be super happy about the adult bookstores with glory holes or they'll be super upset or super excited about the gun shop, but they'll never meet in the mill be like, dude, both are great. I can get a fucking pistol and I can fucking get a dildo. I like like the beauty of that. And the mall has sharks too in the aquarium, so that's pretty cool. Sharks and ice rink a shooting range. I mean, it's like, it really is like, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, they, they, their, their, their, their, their, they's, they's, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll, their, they'll, their, their, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll their, their, their, they'll their, their, they. they'll they. they. they. they'll they. they'll they'll be they. they'll be they. they. they. they'll they'll it's like it really is like oh dude this is this is called logical. I don't know what it is but you guys are great so enough of yelling you about how great you are. So we're super I

Starting point is 00:09:36 love the paranormal I'm always into I always find it so fascinating like what is the paranormal like like is this souls who can't pass on to the next side? Are they our cons that we accidentally hear that we're not supposed to hear? Are they, you know, there's some people thinking the simulation that these are just old programs that are still around that haven't been deleted yet? It's such an interesting subject.

Starting point is 00:10:03 What, what got you in the paranormal? It's kind of something I was always interested in, like as again, most people that tackle it and then a semi-professional, I'm using quotes, you know, manner, started off as interested as kids, like you're into horror movies and that kind of gets you wondering about all the other spooky shit that goes on around you. When I was like five or six, I had a weird experience, was gonna pick up a buddy who was gonna sleep over.

Starting point is 00:10:30 And I drove over his house with my mom, and she went up to get him and I was hanging out in the back of a car and it was like a purple Gremlin. I don't know if you would ever know what the gremlin was, it was a really ugly, ugly, ugly car, yeah, horrible. And I was hanging out in the back of it waiting for them to come back to the vehicle. And I was sort of looking around, I looked at the back window the hatchback, and one minute there's nothing and then this face appeared. And then it disappeared. Yeah. And it was like, I can still remember it like I was six at the time. I'm 48 right now so do the math. I can still picture it. It's this this th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. th. th. th. the their th. their th. their their. their their. their. I's their. I's their. I was their their. I was their. I was their. I was the the back. I was the back. I was the back. I was the back. I was six. I was six. I was six. I was six. I was six. I was six. I was six. I was six. I was six. I was the back. I was the back. I the back. I the back. I the back. I the back. I the the the the the the the the back. the the the the the the the the the the back. the the th. th. the back. th. the back. the back. the back. the back. the back. the back. the back. the the back. the back. the back. the back. the back. the the back mongoloid face that was there in a second and gone. So nothing there gone. No one else on the street, no footsteps, no one banged on the vehicle,

Starting point is 00:11:10 was gone and it scared the shit out of me. And then so I dove to the bottom of the hatchback and was just sort of waiting, looked up and then my buddy walked? And he's like, no, I was at the door. I just got here. Same thing with my mom. Mom, did you see anybody? She's like, no, you imagined it. Like, don't worry about it. But that was the first thing that happened to me that I just couldn't explain. And it sort of burned itself into my memory. And that's kind of where it.trade that that that that to to to to to to to to to to too, I, I, I, I, I too, I, I too, I the too, I too, too, too, too, too, to, too, to me, too, the too, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th...... the the th. th. the thi. thr. too. too. tttthea. too. thea, thea, too. the too, the th. thean. thi. th. And it just went from there. And I got older, I wanted to find out more about it and what might have happened to me.

Starting point is 00:11:48 Did I hallucinate it? Do I have mental health problems? Like what's going on? And that kind of really kicked it off, Sam. then like about six, seven years later, where I live, we're right smack-dab in British Columbia, Canada. And I grew up on a cabin on a lake. And so I'd always be out there hanging out with my parents or my buddies. And I was like a free range kid,

Starting point is 00:12:09 my parents didn't care what I did, as long as I was back for like lunch, dinner and bedtime. So we'd spend a lot of time running around in the woods. And from this cabin into the woods, there the same route that we there earlier in the day, came back for dinner, decided to do one kind of final hike before it got too dark, went back up the same path, and the tree. And underneath this tree was this little lean to, a fire pit, and a bone inside the tree. And not like human-sized stuff, throwne. th-like, th-like, th-like, th-like, th-like, th-like, th-o, th-o, th-o, th-o, th-o, th-o, th-o, th-o, th-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-oomuu. th-o. their-oomu. th-o, to-up-up. to-up. to-up. to-o, to-o, th-o, a two, three feet high, two three feet wide. Wasn't there earlier in the day. Do we stop like that's kind of strange, hung out a bit and like, you know, it's getting dark.

Starting point is 00:12:51 This is kind of weird shit. Let's go back to the cabin. Went back to the cabin. We talked about it all night. Couldn't to be theyneed. the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. That's, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that. We's, that, that. We's that, that. that. So, that, that, il to that spot. There was nothing. There's no sign that anything there no lean to. There's pine needles, completely covered with pine needles. There have been nothing there undisturbed. And so those two things really launched, like an interest in wanting to know what the fuck is going on. And why did I see it and other. And th And for me, it just comes down to what level have you locked, unlocked in the simulation, in the simulation? You know, it's like, what have you unlocked? Because the more levels you unlock, the more you see. And the more you're open-minded to what is going on. Like, you know, it's like, when, if you have a black belt in conspiracies, you're not necessarily, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not the the the, the, the, the more you're open-minded to what is going on. Like, you know, it's like, when, if you have a black belt in conspiracies, you're not

Starting point is 00:13:49 necessarily believing in everything, you can just have a discussion about it without losing your skull and your head exploding, right? Mm-hmm, exactly. And that's, I mean, like, I tell people all the time and I get crap in my, in the comment sections about the fact that I had a hat that would make things disappear. It was my grandfather's old hat. We put stuff under it and disappear. And you know, as a kid, you think it's amazing,

Starting point is 00:14:17 but you move on to a million other things. And you know, it's always with this one babysitter to, to, to, to, to, to be, th and I, th and I, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, th with this one babysitter too. It's very interesting. And there was also a time where like around my house, this babysitter was at my house, we would get knocks on our window. And we run out and there was nobody there, but they were, they would just keep going to the point we had to call her sister over just to calm everybody down. It was like, you tell, they, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, their, their, like, tho, like, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th... I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, and, thin, thin, and, thin, thin, like, like, thi, thi, like, thi, thi. And, just making up. It's like, no, dude, I remember it as real as there is, I know Johnny's dad has some stories about some stuff.

Starting point is 00:14:51 And it's just like it really gets into that world of like, are there things that are outside of the scientific ability to explain it. You know, I think there definitely, there has to be right? I think it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's th th as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as,. You know, I think there definitely, there has to be, right? I think it's as natural a phenomenon as anything else. It's probably been with us since the dawn of our people on the planet. And there's a writer named Colin Wilson out of the UK, and he wrote a really good book called the occult. Or he was a complete skeptic, got hired to write this book about the occult so he researched it and he examined activity throughout history. By the end of writing the book, he was a believer because he'd do stuff weird shit started to happen to him while writing this book. And he said, he calls it faculty X and he says everybody has it and it's our ability to tune into what's really going on in the world around us.

Starting point is 00:15:40 And when we were living out on the prairies and had to, you know, like hunt and gather to survive and lived in caves, we used it all the time and it would kind of help us survive. And as we became more quote unquote civilized and cultured and started living in communities and created internet and lights and all this stuff, most people tuned out of it. And when people have something happen that taps in the faculty actually, usually they freak out. They th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thi, thus, thus, thus, thus, and thi, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, th, th, th, th, th, th. And, th, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, to to to th to to to to to to to to to to to the. to thooo. thi. tho. tha, tha out. They think they're going nuts, so they just don't want to tell anybody about it. But those of us sometimes who have these experiences started wanting to know more, the more we look, the more we find, the more we're utilizing this faculty X.

Starting point is 00:16:10 And it just kind of goes off from there. So I think it's something we all have, And for some reason, women seem to be more into it than men. I don't know why. I guess because they're more emotional, would you say, like they're more empathic than men who tend to be more systematic and try to find patterns and stuff, whereas women tend to have more of this love and openness to, to make, I mean like love itself is like something, can you explain it scientifically?

Starting point is 00:16:51 Can you explain momentum? Can you explain it? We all feel it. You're like, oh, the momentum shift. He's, he's winning the fight. That team suddenly turned it around. How do you measure that? I don't know how you measure it. But I know that it exists, and we all know it could exist. It's just like, I don't know, man, there's so much information out there just to believe like

Starting point is 00:17:11 what is being able to be proved scientifically to me is just really crazy. And the paranormal is 100% a part of that. But I like how you use sort of the love and the momentum analogy, because that's exactly it. It's something you can feel. You experience it when it happens, but you can't recreate it in a lab anywhere. And I think that's exactly what the paranormal and when we go and investigate,

Starting point is 00:17:36 we're using equipment that's trying to how it works. And I think whatever it is has an intelligence to it as well. Because every time you go looking for it and you try to point a camera to spot where everyone's seen this ghost, you know, every Friday 13th at 9 o'clock at night, you're there, Friday 13th, 9 o'clock at night with the camerathe same time right it doesn't want to be caught on camera and that's the way I were a ghost you would be fucking with people too I mean like what else you have to do yeah exactly right you're hanging out in a dark cold house maybe or someone else's chores are probably do you know oh yeah the ghost bad you did your ghost homework you got you're bored you got to do something wax gee we can't hear him maybe that's better there we go go on I was saying that females feel like the

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Starting point is 00:19:11 Why we're waiting for Xavier Guerrero. Uh, Johnny, you know, I was, Ryan back and they always wanted to go to the Cecil Hotel. I don't know if, uh, no, Johnny, I won't fire Xavier, okay. You've got to stay on the Cecil Hotel. I don't know if, no Johnny I won't fire Xavier, okay? You've got to stay on the show. Netflix just did a big doc about that. Have you seen that? They just did a big dock on the season. Yeah. Yeah. I, what, so supposedly they found, they asked the guy, and the guy's like, yeah, the latches. the latches, the thattoy. So, they. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, they. So, they. So, they. So, they's. So, they's. So, they. So, they's. So, they's. So, they. So, they. Yeah, they. Yeah, they. Yeah, they. Yeah, they. Yeah, they. Yeah, they. Yeah, they. Yeah, they. Yeah, they. Yeah, they. Yeah, they. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, thi. Yeah, the thi. Yeah, the thi. Yeah, the thi. Yeah, the thi. thi. the the thi. thi. thi. thi. the thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah, the. Yeah, the latch was open. There was somebody who worked there. I haven't seen the dock yet, but they said that the latch was open because people like, how does she get up there with the latch? Oh, what?

Starting point is 00:19:49 Yeah, yeah. It wasn't locked. But still, that thing is pretty heavy. That tiny Asian chick was able to lift that thea. Yeah, well, the climb that it would have been because of the tightness of the space to get to that particular drum and the climb that you would have straight up on a ladder, they would have had to carry her body up, I mean, it would have just been an incredible feat of strength. Now I'm not saying it's impossible, I don't know.

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Starting point is 00:20:59 I think schizophrenic. I don't know. see stuff but I know they care stuff for sure. What's your thought on that Jason? Well I know one thing we do before because we do residential and commercial investigations with our group, Canadian Paranormal Foundation. What do you mean commercial? What do you like? But this Burger King's haunted. It must be a Canadian like a business so someone's business. We call it. Okay, okay. That's good. We always, that's one question we always ask is like do you have a, you have a, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like a, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, the, the, th, the, th, th, th. th. th, th, th, the, th, the, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. the, the, the. the. the. the, the, thi. the. the. the. th. We always, that's one question we always ask is like, do you have a mental, you know, do you have a mental, you know, do you have a history of mental health in your family, do you know, how frequently do you do drugs or alcohol, you know, just to kind of weed out people that maybe just are having a mental health issue, right? Or maybe it's just alcohol they're doing too many drugs. A lot of people, their thiiiii, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, thi, their, their, their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, their, like, their, like, their, their, you have, you have, you have, you have, you, you, you, you, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their history, their history, their history, their history, their history, theirtwo they want something to be happening to them. Like they're into the occult. They watch all the movies. They read all the books. They've got the

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Starting point is 00:24:25 Yeah. Long line of demons just doing the same thing. It's like, no, no, I'm good. I'm not that drunk. Sorry. Come on. Possess me, man. Pahue. I'm really sorry guys, I'm doing a lot of ums today and it upsets me so my apologies.

Starting point is 00:24:46 I almost did another um right there. So basically on how many of these calls do you get called on do you actually see something or you feel something or there is some kind of measurable situation. It's it's actually pretty more common than I thought going into doing this. There's definitely, there's been houses we've gone to where there's been nothing. And people have reported, you know, they've seen water coming out of the ceiling, dark shapes and the downstairs,

Starting point is 00:25:16 TV's turning off and on. And we've spent like a go through the whole place, spend hours and we get jack shit. But there's a lot of the time, I'd say 75% of the time, something happens because we've kind of done all the checks and balances beforehand so that we kind of feel at least there's something going on there. But even within like a single investigation, we'll have stuff happen that we'd lean to debowards the paranormal side, but that there's stuff happened that we've been able to debunk as just being like wind through a crack in a window or a creaky floorboards, you know, pipes, that kind of stuff. So it was interesting that it was, we quite often at least get one thing kind of per investigation,

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Starting point is 00:26:48 and these old toys, and we're kind of doing that, we're using a spirit box to try to communicate with something there. We're asking questions and you're getting little bits of the yes or no. And I was like, look, you know, like just, you know, tell me your name and I'll go. And I get a voice that says fucking prick. And we almost. The ghost is working blue, man. Yeah, I know. I couldn't, but I've never had anything like that happened before or since, but it called me a fucking prick.

Starting point is 00:27:18 And so we were kind of, that was right out of front of the doll room. So we're kind kind th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, like, th, like, like, th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, th. And I was, th. The th. The ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I was like, th. And I was like, thi. And I was like, thi. And, thooos. And, thoos. And, thoos. And, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the ghost, the line of questioning and this little toy hammer goes flying off a shelf. Yeah. Took a foot into the room and just like you tunk-tunk and we both kind of just stopped and looked at it like that. So I've never seen that happen before either. And that was really the two-bit and that happened within like the first hour of being at this place and usually it takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes it takes it takes it takes takes takes takes takes. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tooom. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the to the the tho. the theu. theu. theu. theu. tu. tu. tu. the tu. tu. tu. tu. toooooooooo. too. tooo going. And it's this happened like boom just like that. So that was kind of the most interesting haunting investigation I'd ever been on at that point and it still kind of stays and we've been back a few times since and had lots of different stuff. We were using a laser grid

Starting point is 00:27:55 in the basement. And a laser grid's like a laser point pen but it shoots out like thousands of them. So it creates this grid pattern on a wall. Oh yeah, like you're like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. thi. the. thi. the. the. th. th. th. thousands of them so it creates this grid pattern on a wall. And if something wants to... Oh yeah, like you're like, you bond and you gotta like kind of get through it to get the diamond and get back. I'm all... Cristering yourself through. Yeah, yeah. We're using that and we turned it on. We're using that and we there, all right, fine. Turn the lights off, it's still there. We did three or four times, and then finally it just was gone.

Starting point is 00:28:29 We turn the lights off and it had vanished like something that stepped away from that pattern. So like Bailey House is a place I really, really like going to. It almost always delivers every time we go. some of these places multiple times, just collecting enough data to give to the owners of the place that they can do something with it, whatever they want. So that one really sticks out in my mind. But did you die, Do? Though, that's the question. Has it ever been a time where you were like, do we lucky we got out of there

Starting point is 00:28:56 or else we would be ghosts ourselves? own before belonging to any group, there's a place in the town where I live, I live in a place called Camel British Columbia. And just outside of town, there's a place called Tronkiel Sanitarium. So it's exactly what it sounds like. It was a tuberculosis clinic after the war, then it became an insane asylum. Whoa. And it shut in the 80s. They de-institutionalized every ensilum here in Canada basically. They just let everybody go. Here's your drugs go out on the street. Yeah, Reagan did that in the United States. Say probably the chance at the same time. All the institutions and put everybody on the streets. Yeah, without any care. It's a whole other topic of

Starting point is 00:29:39 conversation right there. I'm with you. But we anyways, we got, I knew someone who's the caretaker this place because they're trying to develop it. So I got to go on and just run ramp it and we had to do investigations there with my own people. And because it's Canada and we used to get a ton of snow here in the wintertime, to get from building to building, they built tunnels looking for anything, taking pictures, doing recordings, and we came up in what was a laundry building because it's isn't just an institution, it was a whole little city. So they had their own school, own laundry, city hall, doctors' offices, the whole mental facility. Yeah, it was huge. It's a huge place. If you saw the 18 movie the today, theymeatheatt. the movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie movie. the movie. the movie. the the the the their. Oh, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, their. Oh, their. Oh, their. Oh, their. Oh, their. Oh, their. It was, their. It was, their. It was, their. It was, their. It was a. It was a their. It was a their. It was a their their their their their their their their their their their their their Burdock out of the hospital. Hold on, they filmed the Mexico stuff in Canada. Yeah. I guess Canada looks more like Mexico than Mexico. You guys, you guys, Canada gets better Coke and better filming of Mexican. Dude, actually you should go up there and fit right in.

Starting point is 00:30:37 That might be my next move. I just don't like the cold though. It gets cold. It does get cold. Yeah, very very. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they's. they's. th. thi. they's they's they's thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. I thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi thii thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. I thi. I thi. It does get cold. It's tough. Yeah. Yeah, very cool. Look at Texas. Texis is crying right now. Oh my God, dude. That's so crazy. Hey, everybody, I want to tell you about our friends at Proactive. I cannot recommend a product more.

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Starting point is 00:34:26 I just turned around and went up. I've never had anything like that happened before or since, but it scared me. Like I was scared for a week. I'm not going to lie. And I go looking for stuff like this. But I've never had anything physically toubent me or movement any way. That was like, that was like, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, that, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that, that, that, that was. I would still be talking about it.

Starting point is 00:34:45 I would be like, there was this time? This door slammed on me. I'd be like, Sam, we've heard it thousand times. Could you please stop? I would know. Dude, I mean, if you had to pick a place that is most often haunted, what would it be? I think it would have to be shut down mental facility, right? I mean, like, because when people were thrown in there, it was almost like good riddens. We're not going to, you know, you're kind of not society's problems anymore. You're this facility's problems.

Starting point is 00:35:17 And like, I think it was in upstate New York. There's very famous stories of like, like children that went disappearing from mental facilities because one of the staff was killing them in deep tunnels and stuff like that. And nobody was saying anything because they were kids in a mental facility and they were kind of forgotten. It was the same up here. Like you wouldn't think that in Canada, right? How we like to tout our human rights work or anything.

Starting point is 00:35:42 But it's the same thing. They get put in there, they're forgotten about. And it's really sad. And it's like you can feel in certain buildings of this place, but I can when you could go into it safely. You could feel just some parts just felt wrong. You know what I mean. Hey Jason, I'm curious. You said, throwns. to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their. th. their. th. th. th. th. their their their their. th. It's their their their their, their, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's, it's, it's, it's. their. their. their. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's really. It's really. It's really. It's really. It's really th. It's really really th. th. th. the th. th. the the the the th. th. the th. their th. th. It's th more dark presences than there are benevolent positive presences? Do you feel, do you even feel those positive ones? Because it seems like most of the stories we hear about are kind of dark, malignant forces. I'm curious what the breakdown is there. It's kind of like, I've been in places where we've had activity where I don't feel anything, like nothing at all. I think, I think, I think, when you feel that, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the the to, the the to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the UK and you go into these buildings are like 800 years old and you can just like you know the history you can kind of just tell that lots of stuff happen there but not necessarily bad but like places I've been to

Starting point is 00:36:28 to where we've had activity there's been some where it's just don't feel right it's just thrown. their try and it feels like to their told. to their their tree. the their the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their their their their to to their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. to. te. te. to. to. te. to. te. to. their. their. their. their. their. their. taken that really? Yeah you just know you just you go there you can tell someone died and you just can kind of feel it feels kind of sad and there's places parts of trunk here to try and where you could feel that. We're definite bits of sadness where things happen. And we've, we've, we've investigated residential schools where you know, we're basically you get lots of activity, it just feels sad and off and just like bad, you just know bad stuff happened. It's just like feeling you get. But you would say you never get a positive feeling from these presences. No, like I'll have stuff, like just stuff happened.

Starting point is 00:37:17 We just don't feel anything. So it's almost like anything sad or maybe malignant, for a a a better word, leave just gives more of a darker vibe, whereas the good, there's lots of good spirits, but you just don't feel, you just don't feel, you just don't feel anything. Do you think it's possible that the good spirits aren't in this plane where their darker spirits are? Does that seem like their too here? I think they're both here. Yeah. I think they're just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just both both both both both both both both both both both both both both both both both both both both both the their their both their both their both their both their both their both their both their both their both their both their both their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their good good good spirit. their good spirits. their good good good spirits. their good good spirits. their good good good spirits. their their their their their their people, there's good people, there's good people, so when they die, if this is what happens when they die, there's they're good ghosts and there's bad ghosts. I think it's pretty just that kind of breakdown, really. Okay. What are some of the truths versus miss of the paranormal and paranormal investigations in your estimation? What do people don't get right? Well, not everything. I always like to point it out, because there's this big thing, especially on the TV shows,

Starting point is 00:38:11 where every haunting is a demon. And there's all, you know what I mean? And it's always, everything that's evil is connected to the devil. I don't believe get every something, like every single time, like, you know, every place you go into isn't always haunted. Sorry, sorry, I was taking a drink of water because I want to examine that point,

Starting point is 00:38:34 didn't mean to cut you off, but what you mean? It's not always demonic. Can there be something that's, quote unquote, creepy or negative energy, or what I like to talk about on this show, which is low frequency. Can something be low frequency and not be a demon? Could it just be a ghost having a bad day and he's like, I'm just, I'm being an asshole today, I'm sorry about that.

Starting point is 00:38:57 Like what is it that, what could it be besides a demon? I think, yeah, like, that's where people's spiritual beliefs kind of come into play, like, and I'm not Catholic, so I don't, you know, take everything that's sort of bad as demonic. It's kind of like I said earlier, like, if a person was a decent person in life, then they die in their soul or whatever energy stays behind, they're going to probably be a decent spirit, th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, thi. And, thi. And, thi, thi, thi, they're going to probably be a decent spirit. But a person was a bad person in life and they die and they hang around, they're going to be a bad spirit and they're going to do bad things, right? And so that's how I look at it, like one of the guys I work with Peter Wren, who I do the show with and I wrote the book, co-authored the book with, he is an investigator, the thi, th.... is, th. is, th. is, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, investigations where there's alleged demonic activity and determines whether or not it's worth following up in

Starting point is 00:39:48 terms of an exorcism. He's done dozens of these. He's maybe found one that would have been worth pursuing, you know, pursuing a right of exorcism to. Most of the time, it's kind of like what you said, you're just dealing with a cranky spirit, you know what I mean? You're going into where they live, and you're yelling at them and you're asking them to tell them things and prove that they're there and they probably just get annoyed, like the one that called me a fucking prick was just like, I don't want to tell you my name, fuck off, right? I think it's just it just comes down more like that thinne. So, yeah, yeah, th, th, I, I, I th, I, I th, I th, I th, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, the, the, tho, the, tho, the the, the, tho, the, the, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the one, the one, the one, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, they. I'm. they. they. they. they. the the the the the the the the the one. the one. the one. the one're coming across something where something negative happened and that's the energy that you're experiencing. That's kind of how at least I look at it for my years of doing this, which isn't to say I don't think there's a possibility of such a thing as demons either or evil forces out there. I just have never really experienced it, unless that's what pulled me into the the the old sanitarium in, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you're, you're, you're, you're, you know, you're, you're, the, you, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, at th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at, at the, at, at, at, the, at the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th, at th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the Peter Wren, he's part of the Vancouver Paranormal Society. What are the Christmas

Starting point is 00:40:50 parties like at the Vancouver Paranormal Society? Is it is it fun? I mean it's Halloween your biggest event? What is going on with that group? Is it is he cool guy? Is Peter Ren cool? What are Peter rent groupies like? Tell us a little bit about all that. Yeah, Peter's a good guy. Peter's a really good guy. He's been doing it 27 years. Kind of started working with him back in 2017. We actually have since gone on just recently and created our own group.

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Starting point is 00:42:29 Totally don't mean why you can't go investigate this on the house, right? No. It's, it's, he's lagging really bad. Was that XG's ghost there? Yeah, that's the ghost of Xavier Guerrero right there. Xavier, you might want to log in and off again. Is there a Michael Jordan of Ghost? Oh, Canadian, let me pronounce your Canadian. Is there a Wayne Gresky of ghost hunting that we don't know about? No, I think you've probably heard all about all of them,

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Starting point is 00:43:37 the last 20 years since the 2000s that I've come across. And then like Peter, the people I've met, he's done it a long, to, to, to, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, thi, to be a to be a thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their've come across. And then like Peter, the people I've met, he's done it a long time and he's respected worldwide as well. So being able to work with him has been really good and learned a lot and it's helped give me some credibility doing what I do. Is there, so you're writing a book, the book is called just a today. the book, the book? Yeah, it's actually it's just hit out on Amazon and Barnes & Noble.

Starting point is 00:44:09 Yeah, the title changed of course right before it came out and it's now called I Wanna Believe One Man's Journey to the Paranormal but yeah, it just came out. It sold really well like in Canada in its category, it became a number one bestseller on Amazon, which we're pretty excited about. So it was a lot of fun to write that book and it's just talking about his 27 years and what's happened to him and you know his experiences he's investigated like in Australia, in New Zealand and in the state and in England, so a lot of good stories there. And we include one of that one case I

Starting point is 00:44:38 mentioned where he figured it might have actually been worth following up with an exorcism. So we talk about that in the book. Do you think there's a place that, where it tends to be the most haunted, like in terms of countries too? Like, is there the most haunted country? And are there, I mean, I've asked this other, of the paranormal people, but is paranormal hunting a white person thing? I don't think so, no, no, tho, thu thu thu thu, thus thus thus thus thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thi, that, that, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, I don't think so, no, although most of the people on TV seem to be. Yeah, I mean, do you run, I knew, it's Canada, there's only like 20 black people, but do they're

Starting point is 00:45:15 called the Toronto Raptors, old joke. Okay, I worked it in, I worked it in. But the point is this, like, are there black paranormal investigators? I, because we only have, like you said, have 20 black people in Canada. Haven't come across one yet, but we have like, you know, native, you know, Hispanic, very many different backgrounds. I'm sure there are, down in the states, there have to be. Are there a lot of native Canadian paranormal investigators? I've met a few, yeah, I've met a few, worked with a couple. He who hunts ghost? Is that a guy? Johnny I'm crushing I don't know why you're enjoying it and not enjoying

Starting point is 00:45:56 my crush fest right now. That sounds awesome. Hey, Xavier Guerro just got out of work. He's like, oh man, my thing ain't working, man. I'm gonna make it. That's what you just totally did right now. So it's just interesting. It's like, it's like, are there big paranormal investigators in like Latin America? I know Europe's pretty big, but it's Latin America got a, I know they got a lot of a cult down in Latin America, voodoo stuff like that............ That that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th, th, I, I, I th, I th, I'm th, I'm got a, I know they got a lot of a cult down in Latin America, voodoo,

Starting point is 00:46:27 stuff like that. We've had people on the show done voodoo who are into voodoo. But have you gone down to Latin America done any investigations down there? I haven't. No, I've mostly just been investigating here in Canada. And we were we were hoping until COVID hit that I'd like to go down to Tombstone. We were going to plan to go down to Tombstone and investigate down there. With our show we were hoping to go to the UK. I've been to the UK and I've been on ghost hunts in the UK and tours. There's tons like UK. You mentioned what's like the most haunted place in the world. It'd have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the to be the the to be the world. the world. to be to be the world. to be the world. to be the world. to be to be the world. to be the world. to be the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. the world. It have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have to be to be the to be to be the the the the to be the to be to be the to be the to be to be to be the to be. to be to be. to be to be to be to be the the to be the the the the the the the the the the the the t Really? Really? That is from my experience, yeah, it's just steeped in it, just because probably that's where everything started. You know what I mean for the most part? And then those royals were savage back in the day.

Starting point is 00:47:11 Well, yeah, right? And you had the Crusades when the Romans invaded and the, you know, the Viking, it's just, there's so, there is activity worldwide. So if there's activity worldwide, there's probably people investigating in every corner of the globe in some way. So I am pretty confident that way. What's the difference between ghost and hauntings?

Starting point is 00:47:38 Well, the haunting is the activity. The ghost is what's causing the haunting, right? So you've got ghosts and they're in a place and they're moving shit around and opening closing doors and that is called, that is called the haunting. At least in the traditional sense of it. So and then in hauntings there's the intelligent and then there's the intelligent and the intelligent hauntings and then residual hauntings are, it's like that same thing we're playing itself. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the there's the, we have intelligent hauntings and then residual hauntings. And the residual hauntings are, it's like that same thing we're playing itself. You know, like I said, every night, every Friday 13th at 9 o'clock at night, someone walks through a doorway and keeps going and it just repeats. And the intelligent is where you're getting, it's reacting to you in some way.

Starting point is 00:48:17 Opening doors. Oh. . shadows moving, you're hearing voices, stuff like that. Do you think the non-reactive hauntings, the ones that seem to be on a schedule, is there any sentience to those at all, or do you think they're merely like remnants of energy? They're merely, like, I like to explain them as kind of, remember, back in the 80s, you could have a tape that you could record on, but you can keep recording over it, but you occasionally, but you occasionally the o occasionally, but you occasionally, but you occasionally, but you occasionally, but you occasionally, but you occasionally, the old, the old, the old, the old, the old, the old, the old, the old, the old, the old, the old, the old song playing underneath the new one. That's how I, that's a residual hind. There's nothing intelligent to it at all. It's just replaying. And if you interrupt it, it just kind of keeps, keeps looping.

Starting point is 00:48:51 And your experience, our ghosts, are they bound to the places where they haunt or can they, can they move about, I mean, if they have some freedom of movement? They do, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. th. their, their, th. th. thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th follow a person? You have a freedom of movement. They do. They do? They could use Zell and find a new place to haunt. Yeah. Yeah. Ghost realtors kind of thing. Maybe. Yeah. They're sending each other Zell. So like look at this one. Let's go haunt this. Yeah. There has been. I've heard of cases of them being able to move. their cases of them. they their their their their their their they they. they they their their they they they their they they their their their they their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their their. they they they they they they they they they they they they their their their their their their their. their their. their. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their their their their their their their their their their their their the Definitely be able to move. So what? Like following families for instance or how would that work? Following families, they followed it, followed investigators home? Oh wow. From time to time, like you've had stuff where you go back and next to you know the same shit's happening at your house. And those are ghosts, right? You're's interesting, and you take your precautions at a place when you're done to make sure stuff doesn't follow you. What? What does that mean? What kind of precautions would you take? It depends. Like if people are who are religious, like they'll bring like, you know, a cross with

Starting point is 00:49:55 Jesus on it and do sort of a prayer. Some people will leave, you don't have no permission to follow us home, you're to stay here, we're you know, we're going home now and something as simple as that can do it. Why is it always Jesus? Now people listening at home, I haven't, you know I love shape-shifting Jesus. I'm a big fan of the guy. I love that at breakfast, chicken snake, God sent him down to fight the Archons that are begging our chicks. You guys know I respect Jesus. But why is it always, why is Jesus the guy? Is there no other religion? Like how come nobody's fighting spirits with Buddha? Well maybe they do but it seems I guess because Christianity's that most common religion right now in North America that that's what everybody comes back to. And that's kind of where popular culture's taken things. Sam, like in every movie, like you know, the conjuring movies, right, it's always, always, the

Starting point is 00:50:51 Catholics and the crosses and all that kind of stuff. And I think that's just become popular in popular culture as a way to combat it. But yeah, any religious belief belief, the belief, thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. the is, tho, tho, thi. thi. thi. tho, thoom. th. th. th. th. thi. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the thi. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. thean. thean. thean. toean. toean. toean. toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooan. tom. the. to work if that's what you believe. And it kind of is based really on what you, your belief system lies. I think what brings you comfort. If we have to get down to it, what are your theories on what the paranormal are? I have, like I said earlier, there's so many different beliefs on what ghost and demon represent. What are your theories on it on the paranormal? I kind kind of, I've got two sort of ones that I'm working with. And I think one is just when we die, we're all made up of energy, right? The earth has an electromagnetic field.

Starting point is 00:51:34 When we die, that energy has to go somewhere. And it simply just goes off into the rest of the energy or some of it just is free to float around and that's where you get the two different kinds of hauntings. There's another thought because science is really looking at because they've already started to show different timelines, you know, like string theory, the possibility of different dimensions. That kind of stuff and that there's a belief coming up that that's what we're experiencing. We're simply encountering either stuff st's happened in past time or future time, or maybe like people are talking about a skin walk or ranch where there's doorways opening to other dimensions or different realities where there's different versions of us having this conversation and you know

Starting point is 00:52:13 what I mean and we're riding chickens or whatever, that kind of thing, that could be what that could be what we're experiencing as well, right? Hell yeah, I mean, it's definitely possible. I mean, like, the more and more you study everything, I do believe the multiple dimension stuff. I think that's what Bigfoot is. I believe that's what Bigfoot is. I'm an interdimensional guy that apparently they don't have any manscape in that dimension because he's just fur, full fur. And I mean, that's a dimension. Why wouldn't there be a furry guy from another dimension?

Starting point is 00:52:46 And then the archons, like that's why, like go away. Like you're not supposed to hear them. And that's what they're dealing with. And then, you know, who knows when these dimensions just crisscrossed and overflap and all that stuff. It's just so much more interesting than what we're taught. And I I I I I I I I I I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. F f f f f f f. F f. F full th. F full thi, full thi, full thi, full thi, full thi, full thi, full thi, full thi, full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full full thi's thi's thi's thiolough, thi's thi, more interesting than what we're taught. And I know that there's people that can't see it, but I just don't think you've unlocked that level to get to see it. And same with UFOs, right? Like they're popping in from somewhere and popping back out again. It doesn't necessarily mean they're from outer space. They're just maybe popping in from a different dimension or plane of existence. John Keel wrote tons of books about that

Starting point is 00:53:25 possibility. Everything we're experiencing is just beings from the, he called it like an ultraverse or something like that, that they just, they just come here and they like to fuck with us because they're obviously smarter and they can take on different forms and they pop back in. That's why, you know, back in biblical times, they wrote about, you know, chariots of the gods in the sky. And then in the Victorian era, they're these airships. Now we're getting things that look like stealth bombers. Like it's just, I think it's just there's a good argument that this is all something coming from just a different plane of existence. And we're interpreting it as certain things. can be found in the snow, go through a yard, they disappear halfway through, and where did they go?

Starting point is 00:54:10 He just popped into somewhere else. What do you, you know, it's so funny, like as a comedian, I'll watch a movie like punchline with Tom Hanks and I'll be like, dude, that is not how it works. You're making it all foo-foo real easy. She's doing stand-up for a week and then she gets to the tonight show and everyone's like, yeah, I could do that. Like when you watch Ghostbusters, are you like, fuck that noise, that's not even close? Get out of here. Nobody's getting slime. Do you ever do that? Oh for sure. And I love ghostbusters. I've showed my kid that recently. Even an all-woman's one, you love that one? Pardon me? Did you love the all-female version? No. Nothing about the cast. It was just a bad, bad movie.

Starting point is 00:54:50 It was just a bad, bad movie. Funny women, bad movie. Well, it's like when you start off with, we're going to make the cast this before you even have the story, then of course it's gonna suck. It's like sketches, like in stand-up comedy. Like I know guys who write sketches based on jokes and they surround the sketch around that joke. It always sucks because when you're coming at this fine little piece and you're creating something right,

Starting point is 00:55:16 it's never that well. So my friends on it, I'm happy she made a lot of money, but yeah, I mean, everybody knew what was gonna be ghost ghost, but I thirty, you knew it was going to be ghost, but garbage, but I always fell in love with ghost, because I, you know, loved ghostbusters when it came out in the movie theater, I went and saw it like five times. I just loved it. When at first, I went, opening weekend, I think, yeah, five times over the course of that entire summer. And I watch it, the year, you know, with my my my my my my th my th my the th my th my the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that, you know, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you. You. You. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. th. th to. th th th th th th th regular watches, right? I mean, there's nothing, no accuracy to it at all, but it's a fun, an escapist film. And it's interesting how Dan Akroyd is. He wrote it because he is interested in ghosts and the paranormal. He loves it. He's been a lifelong enthusiast. So that's, he translated that into this really good piece of escape the ta. But it's not belie, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, the thin, thin, the thin, the thin, thin, is anything like what I do. For one, the movies are far more interesting than what we do, you know, and you don't see people on a regular base getting picked up and thrown

Starting point is 00:56:15 across rooms. Crosses don't turn upside down. That doesn't even happen. That's not a thing, it's a thing Hollywood made up. Everybody's super fuckable too is like our ghost hunters tend to be like super bangable. No. Not on a regular basis. But in the movies they always. My hair is standing up and I'm getting rock hard. I sense his ghost. Not here Steve. I told you, leave that at home. Right? It's just very interesting people, but everybody like, whenever they got to do a movie,

Starting point is 00:56:51 they got to put like tens playing. I'm like, that does not seem real at all. No. When you love though to come and find a Sigourney Weaver that's frisky like that, you're like, damn, okay. Let's do an actressist. Everybody leave the room. I got this one. I got this. Who is the most attractive? Universally talked about ghost hunter out there? Is there one like everyone's like, dude, Bob Jackman is like,

Starting point is 00:57:22 like, dude, that guy gets all the ghost puss? I've not heard of one in particular that has actually. It doesn't. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, you, you, you like, you like, it's like, it's like, you like, you like, you like, you like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, that's like, that's like, that's, that's, that's, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's, that's like dude that guy gets all the ghost pus I've I've not heard of one in particular that has actually It doesn't seem to come up I'm sure because Zach Bagons is rich and kind of weird he probably does quite well for himself, but you know like There's no ladies of ghost hunting calendar out there where I can get them hunting in their bikinis or anything like that? That's a good idea. Yeah, yeah, make that. Just throw me a couple, a couple. Absolutely. That's a really good broods. Throw me some loons, dog. But there hasn't. There's nothing. It's not. It's just sadly not that organized. There's no money. There's no money in coke in fucking ghost hunting hunting so hot chicks aren't going to show up. If every ghost I had a bape ball with it, you'd have fucking Instagram models everywhere. Oh exactly right, but it just doesn't happen. It just doesn't happen. But like if you had to pick one,

Starting point is 00:58:21 if you had to pick one show where you're like, that's probably the closest to what it's like or film, what would you pick? Did you ever watch that movie The Entity? I did not. It came back in like to 198. It's based on a real case, but aside from the ending, because it's a woman who is basically like an incubus, so she starts getting, she's basically being raped by an unseen spirit in her house. I think Barbara Hershey was the actress that was in it. So she ends up calling in people who investigated, and the portions where they are investigating

Starting point is 00:58:52 actually came across very realistic. Until the ending when they tried to freeze it in this fake room with like hydrogen and all, you know what I mean? Once that happened, that happened that happened that happened that happened that happened that happened, that happened, that happened, that happened, that happened, th th, th, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, they they they they they they they they they the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they, they, the the the they, they, they, they, they, they, they was they was they, they... they was they, they, they was thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thiiii. thiiiiii. thiii. thii. thii. thi. thi. thi. an hour of the movie, they did a really good job of portraying it in a pretty believable fashion. So the last time there was a realistic movie was the 80s? Yeah, probably. And that was like 1980, 81. So you got to write a movie, dude.

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Starting point is 00:59:53 I've never had anything happen that would suggest it was any kind of animal. But you hear stories, especially like, over in Europe, like the big cat, that they call them big cat phenomenon but they're like people seeing panthers that aren't you know that aren't Rick real panthers they're bigger and you know hounds of hell and that kind of thing and dog men down in the states parts of the states so the United States which are like big foot but it's a dog and they're bigger assholes I heard right they're like bigger assuance I they're like the they're really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really they're really really really they're really really really they're really really really really really really they're really really really really really really really they're they're really really really really really really they're really they're really they're really they're really they're really they're really they're really they're really they're really they're really they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're really they're really they're really they're really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really they're really really really really really really they're really really really. they're really. I they're really. they're really. I they're really really. they're really. I're really. they're really. they're really. I mean, yeah, but I've never come across anything like that. I mean, I'd love to, probably for like about 30 seconds and then I get the fuck out of there, but I think it would just be kind of interesting to experience something kind of like that.

Starting point is 01:00:33 Well, if you had to sit here and tell yourself, well, I want to finish with much, how long do you usually have to shoot to get enough for a film or a video or any of that stuff? We'll go shoot however the length of the investigation is. Like we've gone for like, we've shot, we've been on location for like eight hours, so we'll shoot the whole time and shoot everything. So very much a documentary style and then we compile it back into videos. And we usually do like an investigation will make up to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the the to the the to the to to to to the to to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to get to get the to get the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. to. to. to. to the. to the th and then we compile it back into videos. And we usually do like an investigation will make up two 10-minute videos roughly. So you're looking like eight hours for two 10-minute videos basically and tied like three cameras running nonstop like together and he and I kind of sit down and figure out how we make it make sense and be interesting with what we got because we don't stage anything.

Starting point is 01:01:33 We just want to shoot whatever happens on the investigation. Yeah. My question is where's the, you obviously do this because you love it and you'd love to be able to pay your bills and take care of your family. What is the business model of ghost hunting? It doesn't seem to be one, which is why you end up putting it on the YouTube hoping you get enough people to watch it. And then the book tie in, I mean, that's kind of what you have to do unless you can get track the attention of some, like the the the the the the the the the the the the the book tie in, I mean, that's, you know, that I mean, that's kind of what you have to do. Unless you can get track the attention of some, like the travel network, which doesn't seem to do travel shows anymore or history that doesn't do history shows, they do ghost shows. And then you kind of, that's how you make it your money at it. So it really has to be just, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I, like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I have, like, like, like, I, like, like, like, I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, to do, the the the the the the the the the the the tra, tra, travel, travel, the travel, the travel, the travel, the the travel, the the the the travel, the the the the travel, the version of Patrians or Only Fans.

Starting point is 01:02:26 And we're gonna call it, Bookers, okay? And you're gonna, and you just basically want some, you do one week where you just go and either talk to ghosts or do a Weji board or something like that. That's a great idea. I, dude, I am giving you gold, bro. And you're not going to return my phone calls when you're making all this mind. Hey, you remember man, the guy who came up with bookers? You remember that, dude? And you'd be like, no, dude, I don't remember.

Starting point is 01:02:59 The women of the women of paranormal investigation calendar? Yes, dude, we need to see. So why did you get a bunch of Instagram models who love ghosts and just send them in some fucking places and just see what happens. Oh, it would sell it's pregnant. Right. I mean, dude, this is huge. Dude, people love ghost. We'll be great. Ten bucks. Somebody will fu fu fu. Somebody will fucking make that happen, dude, this is huge, dude, people love ghost. Bookers will be great, ten bucks. Somebody will fucking make that happen, dude. Somebody will make that happen. So, I mean, like, I want to end this with this question. What do you think we live in?

Starting point is 01:03:41 Like, what is, I mean, based on all of the, the investigating you've done, the, you know mean based on all of the Investigating you've done the you know the seeing of spirits whether they're white light or darkness and that real quick before we get into that Do you see white light beings before and what do you do with that? But hey man, sorry we thought you were an asshole We're gonna let you go. I've never seen a white light being. I've seen dark, like the dark shape. But have you ever seen positive energy beings and stuff like that? No. So you're like cops, you only get called when it's a bunch of assholes. If it's if it's bad, we're called basically, right? Right? And unlike cops, you don't get called the bachelet parties. Never that. And th. And like the the th. And like th. And like th. And like th. And unlike th. And unlike th. And unlike th. And unlike like, th. And unlike like, th. And unlike like, the th. And unlike, the the th. And unlike, the th. And unlike, the the th. And unlike, the thi. And unlike, th. And unlike, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the the to the the the the the the the thi the thi the thi thi. thi. thi. the ghost hunter over to. Never happened sadly. That sucks.

Starting point is 01:04:28 Yeah, I get that going dude. So like if you had to sit there and think about like what. What do we live in? I mean that is the question is it a ball is it a flat earth is it assimilation assimilation? Is it a plane? Is it a computer program? Like over your investigations, what do you think it's been? I think it's definitely, I mean, I think we're living in just one possible time stream out of many. That all time goes on at the same time. Yeah. But you can drop, you know, but you can move in and out if you know, you know, you know, whatever's happening around us is moving in and out of it. And we as people haven't figured that out yet, and maybe those who have haven't aren't telling anyone.

Starting point is 01:05:14 You know what I mean? I think that's definitely, we're just in one and run to do other versions of ourselves but it's just different. I think that's where you get that deja vu feeling. I think that's why when you meet people, you feel like you've met them sometime before. I think it's just we're in one possible reality and there's lots of different ones laying on thea. Carl Sagan kind of a thing on the original Cosmos back in the day where we talked about a 3D world and a 2D world and occasion of that 2D world could drop in on 3D world. That's brilliant by the way. That thing, that video is brilliant.

Starting point is 01:05:50 Yeah. And that's the easiest way I can kind of explain it. And occasionally you can see that other 2D reality because your threat. That to me just makes the most sense out of everything I've experienced so far. And what do you think about the theory that we're moving into a 5D world? The 5D world? Yeah, that we're now starting to elevate into a higher frequency of, that we're entering the age of Aquarius.

Starting point is 01:06:17 And I know once you say that, starts getting into, you know, the hot chicks, a paranormal calendar stuff, but it's, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, the hot chicks of paranormal calendar stuff, but it's like that we're entering a very higher level of understanding. I think we are because if you look around more people are interested in this whole topic that we're talking about right now than I think has ever happened, except maybe since the 70s. And I think people are becoming just more aware and they're starting to ask more questions. I think especially like, if you look what's gone on the last year, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th, th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, more aware and they're starting to ask more questions. I think especially like, you look what's gone on the last year, right? I think people are just wondering if there's more to life than just what we had like what's, you mean, you're born, you kind of get older, start your own family, you do a career, you retire, you die, that's it. That's the point of thrown. So I that's that's that's that's that's thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. I thi. I thi. I thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin. th. thin. thin. thin. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th to me. So I think people, more people are starting to question that and that's where you're getting that elevated sense of consciousness. And I could see us entering a whole new, hopefully reality, maybe not in my lifetime, it'd be nice, but.

Starting point is 01:07:11 Has any of the spirits ever told you what happens on the other side? Have you ever asked them what happens when you die? And they don't answer that. Oh, really? They're like, I sign that not NDA, I can't do this. Yeah, they just don't, right? But the fact is that we're communicating with something. And so there's quite often they do acknowledge that they've died. Like some don't know, like when you ask that question, but some will say, yeah, you know, they think, you know, that they do. That makes me think that something obviously does happen. You go somewhere. And it's just, we got to wait till we get there to find out what that is, unfortunately. But it'd be nice to know.

Starting point is 01:07:53 It is real interesting, dude. What is the next level? Everybody I talked to, they say when we die, I would go to a better, I would go to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to to now, late 40s. And a lot of people around me, they're losing people, whether it's from this, you know, just, it's where the generation before us is getting to that age where it's like their turn and we move into the oldest generation or this pandemic is really, really sucking their soul out. And some people want to check out. You know, if you're listening to this and you and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, their, their, their, their, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they're losing, their, they're losing, they're losing, they're losing, they're losing, they're losing, their soul out. And some people want to check out. Now, if you're listening to this and that is you, I would tell you, please don't do it. I mean, please, because the truth of the matter is based on everything I've learned and people I've talked to, is you're gonna come back and have to do the exact same thing again.

Starting point is 01:08:41 You're gonna have to come to to to to to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come through to come to come to come to come to come to come to and do it again. So what you're going through right now is why you're here. You're here to learn how to deal with this. So that's that's your purpose down here. And man, it's very advanced thinking that, you know, I don't want to sound like I'm to my own horn because you could be like, oh, bad things are happening for blah, for reasons, blah, blah, blah. Why, why, why, why, why like no, I'm just telling you man, based on everything that I know, everybody comes here to learn something and sometimes bad things happen to good people because sometimes they're here to learn it. But when you call it early, you have to come back and do it again. And that's kind of rough. Have you ever talked to anybody that you've lost?

Starting point is 01:09:28 I've, you know what, and that's a, I have once, because I lost my father when I was 19, then he was 56, he died of a heart attack. And for a while I lived in the house that he had built for my mom and I as our family right. I took it over. My mom had moved out. I was in it. And I actually actually actually actually actually I was, a friend of mine was over, it was nighttime, and he's like, you know, we're talking just about this very topic, like, you know, ghosts, spirits and all that, and was like, well, have you ever had anything happen that made you think your dad was still around? And when he asked that question, all the light. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to to, to to to to to me, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to, to to to, to, to, to, their, their, their, the, the, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the the the th. th. th. th. the th. to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to, to, to me, to, to, to, to, to, th. the th. th for some reason, I just went like, dad, not now, and they all came back on. Wow. And that cemented in me and I was about in my early 20s then, okay, yeah, there's more going on. There's life after death of some kind and it can stick around. So, and I was talking to someone who's like the person I respected most in this world, right at thatthat time. So, yeah, it was really interesting. Who was that, Randy Macho Man Savage? Pardon me?

Starting point is 01:10:26 Who was that? Oh, that was your dad, who you were respected? That was my dad, yeah, not Randy Macho Man Savage. Not to discredit Randy Machinman Savage. No, I was like, Rick Flair was probably one of the universe that you are the only person to have the last action hero poster on your wall? I get that all the time? And I mean not a lot of people want to remember that movie including the people in it? No dude that was a great movie. What do you think happened then then John I'm not I'm not saying you're wrong but that movie hit and then that poor kid, they pushed him

Starting point is 01:11:07 out there that he was going to be a big star and the movie for some reason flopped? I think it just hit with kids like on tape, you know, VHS home video later and they don't buy movie tickets, you know what I mean? Because I see a fight club. Why the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, tho, thu, thu, that, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thr thr thr thr thr thr thr thr thr thr thr thr thr thrown. thrown. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. the the that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last that. that. that. that. that. that. tha. the tha. the the the tha. the the the tha. the the the tha. the the tha. tha. the tha. tha. tha. tha. I opened my role of posters and I'm like I have the last action hero poster still. I wonder where that kid is right now. I wonder where he is. Drugs. Drugs. Drugs. Drugs. Drugs. Drugs. Drugs. No, no, no, I'm just saying but you look at like you look at all the child stars that were really no, no, no, no, no, I I I I I I I I I the the the the the the the the the the the th. no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I, I the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I'm th. I'm thi, I was th. I'm th. I was th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Probably, probably, probably. Probably, probably. Probably, probably. Probably, probably. Probably, probably. Probably, probably. Probably, probably. Probably, probably. Probably, probably probably probably probably probably probably probably, probably, probably, probably, probably, probably, probably, probably, probably, probably, probably, probably, probably, probably, probably, probably, probably, probably, probably, I they. I they. I they. I the. I'm, I'm, I'm the. I'm just the. I'm just the. I'm just th. I'm just th. I'm just th. I'm the th. the the. the. the. the. the. the. the, but you look at like you look at all the child stars that were really, no, no, no, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't laughing at a real story there, okay?

Starting point is 01:12:07 No, no, no, I'm just just joking. Not he's gonna come and haunt you in your fake Joe Rogin studio right now. What do you mean fake? Well, Jason, you are th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that. th. th. th. that. that. that. that, that. that. that. that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, th. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no you know, you're always welcome back. Again, if you could tell our listeners where they can find you and anything you want to promote, I know your book just dropped so give it a nice little push. Yeah, I know, the book just came out. I want to believe one man's journey into the paranormal available at Amazon and Barnes & Noble. I got our web series we want to believe which can be found on the paranormal network, which is part of Joe Blow.com. And then I also post a lot of my stuff that we came from the basement.com as well. So, and Sam, thank you so much for having me on.

Starting point is 01:12:52 I'm a fan of your show and it's been great to chat with you about this. What is real quick? What is Joe Blow? Is that old TV? . No, it's a, it's a, it's run out of Montreal, Canada, but it's a movie news entertainment site, and it's one of the bigger ones on the planet. So it's Joe Blow, the Joe Blow movie network. And so they created a bunch of different YouTube channels, and one of them they decided it was paranormal because paranormal is popular.

Starting point is 01:13:15 So, final question. Why is Canadian comedy so good? And Canadian music so not as good. Like you've got like all these incredible Canadian comics and then you have like nickel back and Celine Dionne Adams. Brian Adams but knock off Bruce Princeton. Our lady piece. And play back in the day what do you think that's about? I mean, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:13:45 I know there's good, there's good musicians up here. I mean, you got Rush, Rush is Canadian, right? Rush is for me. Yeah. Rush, yes, Rush with Helix was. I don't know if you guys remember Helix rock you, you know, stuff like, no, no, quiet in route. Adam Ann, I remember. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. their. th. th. th. th. th. thus. thus. thus. thus. thus. thus. R. Rush. Rush. Rush. Rush. Rush. Rush. Rush. Rush. Rush. Rush, I was, rush, rush, rush, rush, rush, rush, rush. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. th. th. th. R. th. th. th. th. R. th. R. R. R. R. R. R. I think most of the good ones got snatched up by US labels. And they said, there's more money down there.

Starting point is 01:14:08 And that's what they went and did, right? That wouldn't surprise me. Same with filmmakers, like Canadian filmmakers, all went to Hollywood instead of mcala. Yeah, money. That's interesting. Are you part of the LA of Canada, right? Everyone's-

Starting point is 01:14:27 Oh, it is, most definitely, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, definitely. Arc Fire, arcade fire is Canadian. Okay, all right. Yeah, any point taken, I'm wrong. Canadian comics and music, both rocks. Winner, the winner, chicken dinner. Jason Hewitt, thank you again for th. Thank th. Thank th. Thank th. Thank you, th. Thank you, th. Thank you, th. I, th. I, to, to, to, to, to, th. I, th. I, to, th. I, to, to, to, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, to, to. to, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. th. th. th. th. to. t. t. t. t. t. today, today, today, today, to. today, to. to. to. today again for coming on thank you for the kind words. I appreciate that sorry Xavier Greeros um his zoom didn't work I know you've always wanted to talk to him Oh wait a minute this is it the band the band is Canadian there there go except for leave on him yeah that's

Starting point is 01:14:58 the band is the winner. Okay Johnny we're seeing a weird float thing floating in your glasses too. So just let you know, turn your head a little bit, turn your head. It's the light. Yeah, look at that. It's paranormal. All right, guys. Jason, thank you so much. You're always welcome back any time. Hit us up when you want to come back and talk again, bud. I would love to tuning in and please see me in New Jersey. Tickets are going quickly and the float fest is going to be amazing. Take you guys.

Starting point is 01:15:31 You go deep home boy. Eric, open your mind. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional mind. Wake up, Aaron! This is only the beginning. You just blew my mind.

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