Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #440: Biblical Interdimensional Beings with Joseph Jordan and Density Lab's Ark

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Starting point is 00:00:29 That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. There's, you just blew my mind. Are you ready to get your mind done? Good morning swarm and welcome. Good! Good morning, the their the my mind. Good morning swarm. Good morning, swar. And welcome. Good morning, swarm. And welcome to Tim Fall. How you know I am.

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Starting point is 00:04:12 There are still people on YouTube asking me, where is Tim Fulah? Listen to me, man. We're discussing right now about making a separate, separate YouTube channel for it. I don't know, man. I like, I really like it being on Sam Tripoli.com, Brock Finn, Odyssey. I just like, they don't want that content. Why do I want to go where we're not wanted? And it's not like you're paying over there. It's completely free.

Starting point is 00:04:43 You say you're not wanted, but you're wanted by the users of the platform, just not by the platform. So that, I mean, that's... Well, okay, can I be honest with you? Because when they took down my web, my last, the last time they took down a channel, they send you this, this warning that says you are no longer allowed to post on YouTube ever again. But you're still posting, I mean your channel still up. Yeah, but they gave me my channel back. Do you understand? Like if they take your channel down, it makes no sense. You're not as supposed to be.

Starting point is 00:05:14 So things like Broken Sim, Cash Daddies, all these other wonderful, my stand up, their stuff, thanks, the way seems like you put them up there. Yeah I'm starting to put them up there my opiate for the asses that I like to do. You know I like to put that stuff up there. Okay? And it's just like I just why am I gonna do that when all you have to do it. Like when you go to YouTube you put in tinful hat or you're putting Sam Triply. Guess what? You can just go to address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address address the address the address. the address. the address. the address. the address. the address. the ad. the ad. the ad. the ad. the ad. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I I I I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I bar, put in Sam Tripoli.com, and all the videos are there. And then if you want it on an app, it's on Rockpin, it's on Odyssey, it's everywhere. You know, people have their apps that they use for a podcast. And a lot of people's is YouTube. They watch all their podcasts and they don't want. I understand. A lot a lot. they watch. they watch. they watch. they watch. they watch. the the they watch. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho. tho. tho. that. that. tho. th. th. th. th. It's th. It's th. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It. It. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. tho. the. tho. th. th. th. they have the app on TV? That's my argument because I do watch them on like the good ones like I'm I'm thinking dude it's just like why am I gonna kiss this guy these people's ass not the listeners but YouTube dude

Starting point is 00:06:12 but they're coming for me look at it is they got a twerking video I mean they literally said this was too imagine took up all the tworking videos. Listen man, there is naked yoga on YouTube. You can see God's hole and titties on YouTube. But I put a twarking video on there and he said it's too sexual. Do you understand, man? Yeah, I mean, look at that, dude. I mean, they're coming for me, man. I mean like, yeah, show to them. I mean that, I did something not even that bad

Starting point is 00:06:47 with political talk over it and they took it down. I mean, what do you want, man? They're coming after us. And it's just like, listen man, if you, we all agree the censorship is bullshit. People crying about Facebook. You know how you stop it. Stop going on Facebook! Warning for parents with small children, I'm going to show some twarking in three, two, one. Look how you smile. It makes everybody happy. Yeah, of course it does.

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Starting point is 00:07:59 I'm all about that action. Anything else, guys, if we forget anything? We love you very much. Thank you guys so much for support. This is a fun conversation. I hope you enjoy it. It's a lot about, it's about interdimensional beings, high frequency, low frequency, angels, fallen angels in the Bible. Enjoy the show. Let's get into, we got another banger. I'm super excited to have this gentleman on. He's a rapper that covers conspiracies in his music. He's been on the Tim Fall Hat Show.

Starting point is 00:08:35 Please help the stage from Destiny's Lab. How are you brother? Doing great, ma'am. Thanks for having back. And I want you to introduce our guest. I'm super excited to have him on. He's an author and he deals with a very special subject, but you know the details of what he's been studying. So could you introduce our other guest?

Starting point is 00:08:57 Yes, we have with us Joseph Jordan, who is an author of a new book piercing the cosmic veil. He is a Moufran researcher with over 25 years experience. Studying first-hand abduction experiences, what he specializes in has collected hundreds and hundreds of testimonies with his group, the CE4 research group. So he's an amazing researcher and offers what's called the unwanted piece of the UFO puzzle. All right. Joseph, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for joining us. Hey, thanks for having me on guys. Very expensive, very excited to have you on. Real quick. You're a front coming from South Korea, is that correct? That's correct.

Starting point is 00:09:41 What made you go to South Korea? Well, I was working at the Kennedy Space Center out of Florida during the shuttle program, and as the shuttle program whalmed down, I figured I'd start looking for, you know, other opportunities for employment and thought about taking advantage of, you know, overseas contract work, you know, in the same field that I'm in, which I'm a safety professional, and I can pretty much go anywhere with any company, because they all have safety professionals. And come to find out that the same company I was working for at the space center had overseas contract work,

Starting point is 00:10:17 and they had a position open up in South Korea, and I thought, you know, let's take advantage of letting somebody else pay for my way to see, you know, other parts of the world. So I opted for South Korea. It's a beautiful place. You know, the pay is good, the employment's good. And you know, I got a chance to see the Far East. I grew up as an Army brat, to see in all of Europe. So I've now seen 17 countries, you know, under my belt on my passport. So it's, you know, it's, it's a nice place to be.

Starting point is 00:10:48 That's awesome. I, I, as a standard of comic, I've been blessed to travel the world as well. And just to get a macro understanding of humanity is, I would recommend it to everybody. It's good to get out of your bubble and see the world. Now, Arc, before we get into our discussion, a a a a a th. A a th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. t. t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t good to get out of your bubble and see the world. Now, A arque before we get into our discussion, a little bit about Destiny's Lab, man. I love what you do. You send me some music, it's great.

Starting point is 00:11:13 Can you tell us a little bit about Destiny's Lab? Yeah, I've been making music for over 20 years now about all kinds of the strange paranormal conspiracy theories, aliens, secret societies. I talk about transhumanism, the connection, eugenics, evolution, and all these kinds of things that are kind of off-the-wall topics, and I do it from a biblical perspective. I kind of come from a background where I'm a special effects makeup artist and creature designer. So I used to live in Los Angeles and I wanted to make aliens. I wanted to be abducted and during that time I was looking into abduction experiences, I

Starting point is 00:11:59 kind of started recognizing a pattern which led me to discovering the work of Joe Jordan, among many other amazing Christian fringe researchers, because I'd studied it from every other, the worldly point of view, I read all the books, but none of them kind of put all the pieces of the puzzle together until I started looking at from a biblical point of view, studying the book of Enoch, the fallen angels, and how they're all interconnected to this. And I became, through my research, the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their the studying the book of Enoch, the fallen angels, and how they're all interconnected to this. And I became, through my research, became convicted to somehow present this in a way that may reach people, that may not otherwise investigate these things. So I started in the late 90s, officially formed DestinLab in 2004.

Starting point is 00:12:45 And now we've got five albums available at our website, DestinLab.com, if you want to check it out. Hundreds of songs, and we've got a YouTube channel where we talk, I've got my own podcast as well, called Digging for the Truth of Ark and Neo that I do with my brother. And we dig really deep into all these different subjects and as well as make the music back. I love it I love it and I just owe you an apology it's Destiny Lab not Destiny's Laidestany's child okay not a lab okay okay so so what we're getting into here and Joseph I want I want to talk about this, you know, I have had conversations with ARC before, and I know that he comes from a religious, you

Starting point is 00:13:34 know, point of view when he starts studying these things. Not religious, sir, let me correct you, not religious. Okay, I, I, you're a nice guy because you let me fuck up the name of your rap group and you didn't say anything but you know I respect that. So you're spirituals, that would you say? Is it spiritual? I have a biblical point of view, but I'm not, I'm a non-denominational Christian. All right, I respect that. So you're associating religion, religious denomination. I I appreciate you. I appreciate that. I that. I that. I that. I that. I respect that. I that. I respect that. I respect that. I respect that. I respect that. I respect that. I respect that. I respect that. I respect that. I respect that. I respect that. I respect that. I respect to to to to to to the the the the to the the their their their their their spiritual. I respect their spiritual. I respect their spiritual. I respect their spiritual. I'm their spiritual. I'm their their spiritual. I'm their their their spiritual. I'm their their spiritual. I'm their their their their their spiritual. I respect. I respect. I respect. I respect. I'm the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to toe. I'm. I'm. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not know how you want to be labeled. I totally respect that. So non-denominational. Christian, can we say Christian in there? Is that okay? Okay. So Joseph, going to what I want to ask you is this is,

Starting point is 00:14:18 I'm assuming there is a Christian aspect to what you do and in terms, and I could be wrong on this, is there a Christian aspect of your research? Yes, I found a Christian aspect of the research. I didn't start out that way. I started out 27 years ago into this UFO phenomenon, coming from no interest to an interest into it. as an agnostic humanist. That was my worldview perspective of this looking at it as nuts and bolts, you know, scientific method of it and did not find answers and then

Starting point is 00:14:58 eventually was exposed to the new age metaphysical realm and looked at it from that perspective and then eventually was exposed to Christianitythe new age metaphysical realm and looked at it from that perspective and then eventually was exposed to Christianity and that is the perspective that I still look at it from. So unlike most researchers into the UFO phenomenon, I've had an opportunity to look at this phenomenon from three different distinct perspectives. And it's this one perspective that seems to have the most answers for what this phenomenon actually is. And that's what the work is that I share. And the findings of the research that I share.

Starting point is 00:15:37 And I want to get into that. But my, so obviously, this is a show called Tim Foll. I hope I told you that. And it comes from obviously a conspiracy point of view. And that's the reason the name was picked. We wanted to take was the most demonized term when it comes to conspiracies. I thought Timfall Hat, okay, I'm gonna name my, it's like NWA. I'm gonna own the name, own the phrase,

Starting point is 00:16:04 so as you go down down's the the th th down's th down's th down's the th down th down th down the thown's thown's thine's the thine's tho' the name own the phrase right so as you go down this journey We hear a lot of talk of about a flat plane A flat earth around affirmament now when I hear about you You used to work at NASA now I'm thinking like how do these two things come together? And where's your stance on that? Because I'm open-minded to what everybody wants to believe, you know, and I'll give you my opinion on this, but I would like to know from your point of view, being someone who is in NASA, and now someone who has done research into extraterrestrial aliens, whatever we want to call them, from a Christian point of view, how does that work??? because? because? because?........ Because? Because? Because? Because? Because? th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I thi. thi. I'm thi. I'm thi, because, I'm thi, because, I'm thi. I'm thi. I thi. Because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, I I I, I, I, I, I, I, I I, I, I I I, I I I, I I, I I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th to to th thi. to th th th to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to whatever we want to call them, from a Christian point of view, how does that work? Well, 27 years of research into this phenomenon and looking at it very in-depth, and I like that's it, from three different perspectives.

Starting point is 00:17:05 What I have found is I don't see any evidence and most of the researchers will back me up on this. I don't care where the perspective they come from. There is no evidence for an extraterrestrial life out there. None yet. It's a belief system. People want to believe that there is. People do believe that there is something out there, but there is absolutely zero zip, nada evidence for anything else that's out there in the universe. to at this point., we we we we we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we the world, we their, their, their, their their their their word their word their word th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, I thi thi thi th th th thi, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi. I thi. I thi, I thi thi thi the the the the the the the thea thea. thean. thea. thea. thea. thei thei the anything else that's out there in the universe. At this point, we're alone, okay, as far as extraterrestrial biological entities. But is there something else out there? Biblical scripture calls them the host of heaven, but they're in another, what science calls another realm. And biblical what science calls another realm.

Starting point is 00:17:46 And biblical scripture calls it another realm. Okay, biblical scripture calls it a spiritual realm. Secular researchers call it an interdimensional realm. So it's a matter of terminology, I believe, that separates us and understanding that there is something else out there besides us, but it's a matter of terminology that separates us on what we're actually looking at. But I think we're this close to agreement on what we're dealing with, and I think more and more of this disclosure is coming out that is showing us that what we're dealing with is this interdimensional side and from the Christian perspective agree

Starting point is 00:18:29 we agree that we agree that it's also this spiritual connection and the research that I've been able to bring forward shows that it is actually this is that spiritual connection. Okay I love this now obviously being from an Asian country the new Godzilla movie came out which must have been a holiday out there okay so as the movie comes out right the big part of that is this firmament. We see this thing God King Kong throws the spare it hits the the firmament in this movie and everyone's losing it in the conspiracy. Oh my god they love conspiracies! Finally a movie for us which I was one of them I was very excited. What are your thoughts on that part? Not the movie King

Starting point is 00:19:16 Kong because it rocked but but the notion of a firmament. I don't agree on that. Okay, so that's where you disagree. Yeah. Okay, that's fine. I just wanted to get that discussion going. Today's episode is brought to be our good friends at athletic greens, the most comprehensive daily nutritional beverage I've ever tried, okay? With so many stressors in life, it's difficult to maintain effective nutritional habits and give our body the nutrients, nutrients, it needs to to........ to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the th. Yeah. Yeah. thi. thi. Yeah. thi. thi. thi. thi. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. that that that that that that that that that that that that that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. that's, that's, that's, that's, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that's thi. thi. thi. thiiiiiii. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th habits and give our body the nutrition nutrients it needs to thrive okay busy schedule poor sleep exercise stress are simply not eating enough of the right foods okay this is where

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Starting point is 00:21:46 tinfoil and get your free year supply of vitamin D and five free travel packets today. But let's get into your research. What do we start with what you've discovered? Well, what I started into was actually looking at UFOs. And I started in that early in my research, becoming a mutual UFO network field investigator. And that was 27 years ago. And I wanted to get into the field of eupology and try to find an answer to what we were dealing with.

Starting point is 00:22:21 And that was dealing with UFOs at the time. Obductions was a newly talked about part of the phenomenon. It wasn't well researched at the time. We had some key people into it, but Moufon itself, the mutual UFO network, wasn't set up to investigate that part of the phenomenon. They were into the nuts and bolts investigation of the UFO sightings. But that's where I started out. But the more I started looking at the research itself of the phenomenon itself, the more I saw that the people that were saying that they were having this abduction experience, the sleep

Starting point is 00:23:01 paralysis experience, or the contact D experience where they claim communication with these entities, the more I realize that these people are the front line of this phenomenon. It's one thing to see lights in the sky, points of light, things darting around, but it's another thing to talk to somebody who's had their life turned upside down by actual believing they've been in the presence of these beings, whether it be a real presence or not. My research shows it's not, but the idea that something's happened to them and they believe

Starting point is 00:23:38 that it's happened to them. I believe that that's where the answers we're going to come from. And that's where we ended up turning up up up up up up up up up tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. It's thi. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. thee. the. thei. thei. thei. thei. thei. It's thei. thei. thei. thei. thea. It's the answers we're going to come from. And that's where we ended up turning our focus to away from more from the UFO sighting reports but more toward the people dealing with the abduction experience. Because Moufon wasn't set up at that time to be able to truly investigate it the way it needed to be done, we set up a separate research entity called CE4 Research Group. And the reason for that was is because we had to put it under some kind of organization

Starting point is 00:24:14 to be able to build the research findings and documentation for it, and make it available for peer review, which is the whole idea of research, making your work available for peer review, to be able to get it accepted, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, whether, the the the the the the the the the the, the, and thrue, and the thee, and thee, and thee, and thee, and the thi, and, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and th, and the th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and of research, making your work available for peer review to be able to get it accepted, you know, whether it be right or wrong, you know, in the long run.

Starting point is 00:24:31 And we made it to where everything was available, through all the years, we've had everything up on our website. We put everything out front at conferences, I've brought the personal testimonies with me to the conferences where they can actually talk to them themselves. The research findings that I put out there have been published in 37 different authored books over the years. So people are looking at this information and they're trying to understand it, but in the actual you know core UFO community, the ones where you see the major conferences around the, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the, the, the, the, to, to, the, to, to, to, to to to the, the, th, the, the the the the the actual, you know, core UFO community,

Starting point is 00:25:06 the ones where you see the major conferences, you know, around the country, I'm not invited to that. You know, like ARC says, I'm the unwanted piece of the UFO puzzle. I'm the piece that they don't want on the table, because if you bring my piece to the table, that's gonna change the picture that they think they're expecting to see. And that scares them, I believe.

Starting point is 00:25:29 Because if it changes to what it appears that we're seeing it to be, that's a major change in the way people believe. Okay, if this truly is what it looks like with the research that we're finding, that this is a this is a a spiritual is a spiritual is a spiritual spiritual spiritual spiritual spiritual spiritual spiritual spiritual thia thia thia thia thiiii thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi that's thi that's that's thi that's thi, thi, thi thi, thi, and a thi, and a thi, and a thi, and a thi, and a thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi, thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that's that's that's that's thi. that's that's theeananananananananananania. that's that's that's thia. thia. thia. thia. thi this truly is what it looks like with the research that we're finding that this is a spiritual entity and a spiritual entity that's been captured in biblical scripture for thousands of years, that changes everything. We're not dealing with aliens at all and that's a that's a change that's going to be a major mind change in the, you know, in the world view of most of the planet, you know, and that that that that that's, and that that's, and that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th, thi that's thi, that's thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. is is is is thi. is thi. is is thi. is thi. is thi. is thi. is thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi's thi. thi's thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. thiiiii. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. major mind change in the, you know, in the worldview of most of the planet.

Starting point is 00:26:06 You know, and that's what I think that really you're seeing such a slowdown in disclosure because of that. I think people in the right positions realize that this is something that is going to make a major difference. I love this whole thing. I believe in a lot of this point. I believe that, you know, my personal thing is realms and dimensions and this is, and these, these entities that we are meeting are spiritual energy entities. So, I guess it could come down to how do you want to label them? Are they angels? Are they religious entities coming down? But I 100% agree with this whole thing.

Starting point is 00:26:54 And I find it very interesting that your piece of the puzzle is unwanted because I think it has to do with the fact that you know if we go into religion or spirituality or Christianity whichever one you want to label it then does that diminish the science of it and not from our point of view but from their point of view the the scientists and their power on and control of information and how it's consumed. Yeah, there's a couple things involved there. The science of it, you know, which a lot of people are looking at, like if you've been watching the recent things that are

Starting point is 00:27:38 been released on TV and the news media, you know, especially with the Navy seeing these things called the Tick-Tack and the Pyramid, you know, and all of these major sightings with the military.. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, their, their, their, the military, the military, th, th, the military, th, th, th, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, th. th. thi, th. th. th. thi, th, th. th, th, th, th, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi. And, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thes called the Tick-Tac and the Pyramid, you know, and all of these major sightings with the military out at sea on their, you know, their ships that have been tagging these ships and the, you know, the aircraft out there. These things are shown super high, intelligent and far advanced technology. But if you look at it from the perspective of an interdimensional entity, and if you look at it from a biblical perspective, what we're seeing is not high technology at all. What we're seeing is actual ability of these entities, because in scripture, these entities have the ability to manifest into this physical realm. And what we're seeing are manifestations of the abilities of these entities.

Starting point is 00:28:33 This is not technology at all. It's just that because they don't understand, the secular realm, not understanding biblical scripture side of this and not accepting the biblical scripture side of it, don't understand what manifestation is, don't understand that what's happening here from that perspective. So they can only explain it as this is high technology, but I don't believe that that's what we're seeing. I think what we're seeing is natural ability because a manifestation of a spiritual entity biblically is they're able to take the,

Starting point is 00:29:07 when they come from the spiritual realm to the physical realm, they can take what the actual energy and matter that exists in our realm and form it temporarily to give it an appearance of whatever needs to be for us to see and for them to get their message across. And in every aspect, this phenomenon is deceptive. And in every aspect, anybody that comes and becomes involved in this phenomenon, it has one outcome in every instance, every instance, it takes their eyes away from the one true God of biblical scripture. Okay? That is the outcome of every single person who becomes involved with this phenomenon. And, you know, when we talk about these entities being spiritual in nature, is what aspect of spiritual are we talking about? And that's when my research comes into play.

Starting point is 00:30:07 Because in every single case of hundreds of cases that I've worked with, these entities are deceptive in nature. They come here with communication to human beings that are anti-Christian, anti-Christian, anti-God, anti-creaion, anti-bibble, always in their messages. Never anti any other ism on this planet. Yeah. Just one. I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. And they all respond to the name and authority of Jesus Christ.

Starting point is 00:30:41 In every instance, during an experience, these people that are going through these horrific experiences can call out in the name of authority of Jesus Christ and they stop. And if through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, they can terminate this continuous life cycle of experiences in their life and terminate it, so where they no longer have them. This is what my case history show, and this is what's not wanted in this UFO phenomenon.

Starting point is 00:31:14 This is the unwanted piece of the puzzle, because if this is real, if this is all what it's showing to be, then there are consequences for what you do. Okay? And that's what scares people because, you know, there's consequences for the things we do. That's part of what Christianity is, you know. And that's, I think that's the biggest fear in the whole thing. No, I got you.

Starting point is 00:31:44 Hey, Art, could you mute yourself real quick because we can still hear the stuff? Like, and just unmute when you're ready to talk and you could jump in any time. Sorry about that, guys. I just, I could still hear it, so. So I think so much of what you're talking about, I understand the spiritual aspect. And spiritual, I have religious under there, whether it's Christian, whatever, I really, I 100% understand that where you're coming from. And for me, we always hear, you know, the problem with America is they got rid of God.

Starting point is 00:32:24 I personally don't believe they got rid of God. I think people have gotten out of organized religion and look to God, make a connection to God through themselves and not through a church where some guy who's human telling them what God thinks and what God acts like. So I don't see people getting less religious. I see people get more spiritual and religion falls under that. In that they're connecting to God, you know, almost in a peer-to-God type way over going to a church on Sunday. And hearing somebody, you know, it's like Bill Burr's bit about, you know, going to church and hearing a guy tell you about God and how to live your life while you know, that guy

Starting point is 00:33:08 like stubs his toe and, you know, farts and all that stuff that makes him a human being, right? So, I understand what you're talking about, the notion that, you know, people are getting into sci-sism and away from, you know, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that that that that that that that that to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they, the the the the the to, the tell, the to, to, to, to, to, to, the to, you know, and that leads to not wanting to look into, is spirituality a big part of our world and how that scares a lot of people? Because when you start talking about Jesus, you start talking about spirituality, you start talking about all that stuff, we have been just indoctrinated with the thought that religion is ran by hypocrites and because these people are hypocrites that the religion is hypocritical. And I say that's not true at all.

Starting point is 00:33:56 The religion is just a paradigm of beliefs. It is not good or evil. It is not, it is how the person taking those paradigms and how they apply it that is either good and evil if you want to use those terms, right? I mean like Christianity, Islam, you know, Judaism, like those are just ideas and the person taking those ideas and how they apply to the rest of the world is what is right or wrong. So when I hear about people talking about religion and interdimensional or other world, can

Starting point is 00:34:35 we call them older world beings, I can see why they want to demonize that and they don't want to let you into the conversation. You know, it's like the laws of physics, man. There's, in my own opinion, they're is is is is th is th is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is th is what is th is what is th is th is th is what is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is right is that and they don't want to let you into the conversation. You know it's like the laws of physics man, in my own opinion they're made because they don't want you looking at the stuff that falls out of the laws of physics because that's the magical stuff that makes where we live so special. And if they box you into this little box, it gets very lonely, very sad, very depressing because it just means we're nothing special. they. they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're nothing. We're nothing. We're nothing. they're nothing. they're nothing. they're nothing. they're nothing. they're nothing. they're they're they're they're to this little box, it gets very lonely, very sad, very depressing, because it just means we're nothing special, we're a speck of shit on a rock hurling through space. And that has been done on purpose over a long period of time, man. So we get into this, I want to get into

Starting point is 00:35:22 the biblical aspects of it, and then we'll talk about the people you have talked to. And Ark, if you want to jump in any time, please feel free to jump it. I don't want to monopolize the conversation. But Joseph, can you get into a little bit of what the, because, you know, very early into this show, some of the earlier episodes, I had coming on going dude the Bible talks about aliens okay the Bible talks about beings otherworldly beings a lot of those books were included into the Bible that were big parts they are kept out for I think reasons because people again they didn't want people to know how special we are so Joseph where do you

Starting point is 00:36:03 to start with that? Well, I think that's a lot of people looking at the Bible from a viewpoint of wearing lenses of euthology. And you need to look at the Bible from its own perspective, from its own biblical perspective. And that's something that is very difficult for a lot of people to do to bring a preconceived notion to looking at scripture. You have to leave your preconceived notions so you know at home when you open up God's word and look at it. Let us speak for itself. Because I had that same issue when I first started looking at biblical scripture as

Starting point is 00:36:43 as a ephologist myself. I started seeing UFOs everywhere in the Bible, but there aren't UFOs everywhere in the Bible. They actually tell you what they're describing in there. Somebody that looks at it through the lenses of eupology is going to see that the cloud that led the Israelites in the desert, you know was a. But no, it wasn't. It was a cloud. It tells you what it was. You go to Ezekiel, it tells you about the wheels within the wheels. No, that was a vision that Ezekiel had. It tells you it was a vision. It wasn't a UFO. You know, these are things that people try to use to sensationalize their ideas and try their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their ideas, their ideas, their, their, their, their ideas, thoe. thoes. thoes. thea. thoeskkiiia. thiaughfiatsatse, thiia. thiatse, toe, toe, toe, their, their, thiiiole, thiole, thiwe, thiwe, thoes. thoes. thoes. thoes. thoes. thoes. thoes. Ande. Ande. Ande. And, thoes. And, thoes. And, thoes. And, thininininininetea. And, thin. And, thin. And, tea. And, thauuuuu. And, thauuuuuuu. And, thauuuuu. And, thauuuuuuuuuuuu. And, tea. And and try to use to get, you know, their subject matter and their beliefs across.

Starting point is 00:37:28 But, you know, they're taking and they're perverting something, you know, to meet their needs and their ends. But if you look at scripture and let it read for what it says and what it is itself, it's God's message to humanity. Okay, and it's a supernatural wik that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's thaqn't thaqn't tha God's message to humanity. Okay, and it's a supernatural Bible, it's a supernatural work that couldn't have been written by man. If you really get into the understanding of how it was put together, over 66 authors over thousands of years, you know,

Starting point is 00:37:57 and you look at the fine thread that's unbroken from beginning to end, and the prophetics that were in there, the prophecies that were done that were fulfilled, there were 100% where you don't have any psychic or, you know, profit in this world that's anywhere near, you know, 50% more or less 100% you know, that meets that kind of thing. So we're dealing with something that is absolutely supernatural. You want supernatural, look at the Bible. There th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th th th th th th th th th th th th th an th an th an thus thathe prophy an thus thoanananatuanatuanatuanatuanatroan't thiolomea, thoanat-a, thoan, thoan, tho-a, thoan, thoan, thoan, thoan, thi, thi, thi, th You want supernatural, look at the Bible.

Starting point is 00:38:25 There's nothing more supernatural anywhere on this planet, you know? And people just, they're afraid to look at it. You know, I don't, I'm not sure why. I mean, I was, and I still can't explain why it wasn't. But that's part of the warfare that the Bible talks about, you know, how we're so deceived. But I think they're looking at this wrong. It talks about bees on other planets. No, it does not. It talks about we're not alone in the universe, yes.

Starting point is 00:38:54 But those are called the hosts of heaven. These are the angelic beings. These are the other, these are our, how should I say it? We're God's children, we're his creation, we're his family, humanity is, but the other part of his family are half brothers, are the angelic realm, okay? They're part of his creation too. They were all part of God's family,

Starting point is 00:39:19 but they live in a different realm than us. They're not physical beings living on other planets. They're spiritual beings, okay? They have the ability to come here and manifest like I talked about temporarily into this realm, okay, they come here as messengers, but you also have the fallen realm, the fallen demonic, angelic realm, that are just deceivers. They're here to deceive humanity. They're in war against God. And this warfare is talked about

Starting point is 00:39:51 in the Bible from beginning all away to the end. And if you read it all the way to the end, you find out who wins. It's already been prophesied and if prophecy continues to be a hundred percent, pretty much guaranteed it we're going to win in the end. Okay, but this whole thing and to really put this in it, and most people don't like to talk about this, but in the prophecies in scripture it tells that in the end times God himself is going to send a strong illusion, okay? And what we believe that we're seeing here in the end times, God himself is gonna send a strong delusion. Okay? And what we believe that we're seeing here in this UFO phenomenon and other parts

Starting point is 00:40:31 of this paranormal realm is this strong delusion that God prophesied that he would send, okay? But who's perpetrating this delusion? This demonic fallen realm is perpetrating the delusion. Okay? With lying signs and wonders, it says that you would see. We're seeing these lying signs and wonders now. But who's behind it? God is behind it. God is actually sending this strong delusion to deceive humanity.

Starting point is 00:41:04 Why? Why would he do that? Because he's making humanity make a final choice. Are you for him or are you not? That's what we're seeing here. We are seeing one of the most powerful times in the history of humanity played out right in front of us. And I'm able to show you the evidence for it with my research that you're seeing it right now. And you have a choice. And that's what this is all about. And that's what scares people. I'm sorry, really quickly. could you. The affirmative is in that choice. Like, how are you? If you're doing it?

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Starting point is 00:42:08 But how do you put your faith in the delusion? What is an example of someone putting their faith in the delusion? Is the delusion itself takes you to the belief that God isn't real? Okay? That these entities are the illusion is the illusion is the illusion.auionionionionionionionion. thiiiiuuuiiu. thiu. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. that's that's, that's, that's. that's. that's is, that's is, right. that's is, right. that's is. that's is. that's is. that's is. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that's is. that's is. that's is. that's. that's. that's. that's. th. th. th. that's th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. that. that. that. that. that. that. th. th. takes you to the belief that God isn't real, okay? Okay, that's entities are God, and you can be God yourself. The whole thing has its own belief system and that's what I was part of at one time. That was my second perspective because the UFO community is tie in with the new age metaphysical realm. And in hand. You go to any UFO conference, you go to the vendor area. It's full of the whole new, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the the the the the thi, thi. That's thi. That's thi. That's thi. That's, thes, th, th, th, th, th, th, thes, thes, thes, thes, thes, thes, thes, thes, thes, thes, thes, the the the the the the the the thi. And the thi. And the the thi. thi. the the an the an thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. And, in hand. You go to any UFO conference, you go to the vendor area, it's full of the whole new age, new age metaphysical realm in the vendor area

Starting point is 00:42:51 because they support, they walk hand in hand. Most of the people that are involved in a UFO phenomenon, their spiritual belief system is the new age metaphysical realm. Got it, that's. Which is which is anti God, anti Christ. Yeah, no nothing to add, you know, he was talking about the delusion. That's my shirt says here, second those second Thessalonians 211, you know, that's what that verse is and God will send a strong delusion and this is what is happening. We are seeing this ultimatum come forth. We're seeing the secrets be revealed, the, the the external the external the external the external the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the toananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananananan. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the are seeing this ultimatum come forth. We're seeing the secrets be revealed.

Starting point is 00:43:27 The externalization of the hierarchy, so to speak, is what some occultists of Cardo called it. But these, we're reaching like an event horizon point where it is coming down to that, where people that used to straddle the fence. Now the spiritual realm is being externalized to the point where really, I think we're, when you look into the evidence, we are without excuse because it is so clear. It's not just Joe Jordan that's arriving at this conclusion.

Starting point is 00:43:54 I arrived at this conclusion through my own research and also being kind of on the flip side of wanting to be abducted. And there's hundreds and thousands of other people that on their own have arrived to the same conclusion through their own experiences and their own research. So it's not just us, it's not just a small pocket. It is a French study within Christianity because the church, most churches are afraid to talk about this stuff. And that is where you're right. Spirituality is getting out. the than just the homes, which is how Christianity

Starting point is 00:44:26 started. That's, you know, that's the best way to study is in a small group of just fellow believers, a small Bible study where you can actually ask questions and dig into these things and ask the tough questions. I mean, my whole goal has always been to search for truth. And if I rove at the conclusion that Satanist was the truth, I'd want to be the best Satanist I could ever be because I'm not into it for religion or, you know, of what I feel to be real. I want what is real. So real quick. This is the thing that arises to me, at least personally, what seems to be real.

Starting point is 00:45:00 Okay, my question to you is like when we start getting into these delusions and stuff like that, is that, you know, and you know, I just have to ask these questions. The notion that we are all one with the universe, is that delusion? Well, I would say, you know, we talked about that at one point in our earlier talk. I would say one of the one common theme that you'll see in all esoteric realms is the original sin of the garden repeated. In the garden, Eve was tempted with the serpent who told her, if you eat of this fruit, ye shall be as gods. If you look throughout scripture when it describes Satan and the fallen angels, that's their entire goal is to trick us into thinking, we are gods.

Starting point is 00:45:45 But we can live through ever, through our own power, our own goodness, our own good works, our own secret knowledge, whatever rituals, whatever it may be. There's all kinds of repackaged versions of this and costumes that these entities wear throughout time, depending on the belief system and the culture that they're trying to come to torment and twist this information on. And it's not just the alien realm, I know Joe specializes in that, but I've also researched into all contact of interdimensional beings, like the DMT realm, where people are trying to open their third eye and go in these DMT rounds where they interact with these, you know, electric elves or DMT elves, so to speak. These are real entity these people are talking to, and guess what?

Starting point is 00:46:32 They tell you the exact same anti-Christian story. One of the first things they will tell you is, hey, just to let you know, Jesus is a great guy, but he was just an avatar, like Buddha, like Krishna, like Muhammad. They're all the same, you can pick and choose, you know, truth is just this wheel and you can pick and choose and God will all lead you the same position. I come to authority that truth is absolute and unique. Truth is exclusive in its purest definition. If one thing is, you know, do we believe an absolute truth? If you say

Starting point is 00:47:05 there is not, then no absolute truth, I would ask you, are you absolutely sure of that? So when we hear stories, and you know, on this show we've dealt very much into history is a lie. So much of history has been reworked, rewritten, so we never know who we are and how special we are. You know, the history of right now is, you know, that the guy, the people who worship the sun god, basically put the Bible together. Is that true?

Starting point is 00:47:39 Am I wrong about that? Joseph, you're shaking your head? Am I all fine? I don't, I'm not saying, thi thi th. th. thi th. th. th. thi th. thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm not, I'm saying, I, I, I, I'm tho, I'm not, I'm not, I'm tho, I, I, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho... thi.. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, th. I'm, that's. I'm, the. I'm, th. I'm I all fine? I don't, I'm not saying this is what I believe, I'm saying that is the narrative that's out there. No, I think that's part of the propaganda that's being put out there to disrupt the believers in the scripture. That's part of this, that's part of this strong delusion. That's part of the avenue that's being taken to get people off track of scripture. Okay, this strong delusion, it's very particular in what it says in scripture about the strong delusion, that it would be so powerful that if possible, even the very elect would be deceived. So this thing is

Starting point is 00:48:20 going to be incomprehensibly powerful, incomprehensibly complex, incomprehensibly layered upon layer upon layer. So you're going to see it coming at us from so many different angles, so many different perspectives that whatever it takes to get us to to look away from God himself. That is what this delusion is because the most what it's going to do is get the strongest believer to say no I will not look away I will stay in line because this is the fine this is the final call this is what it's going to take to get people to make that final decision for God in Jesus Christ. You know in these testimonies that I have,

Starting point is 00:49:05 these hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of testimonies of people's terminating this experience, there's not one from Allah, from Buddha, from Krishna, from Mohammed, from any other name but Jesus Christ. So this whole thing about the wheel that Ark was talking about, about the other names that are, you know, the other parts, they all go to heaven. No, there's one name that's been able to stop this experience. There's one name that's been able to put these sanctities in their place. And that's the name of Jesus Christ.

Starting point is 00:49:40 That's the one they come after. They're not coming after any other name. They're coming after is that one. But yet, that one is the one that stops them. Interesting. Interesting. And they happen to preach the original sin as their drop doctrine. You know, they happen to always talk about serpent beings.

Starting point is 00:49:58 Their symbol is the serpent biting its tail. There's so many connections, the age of Aquarius, whether, you know, they're talking about the zeitgeist movement, and ancient aliens, all these things are parts of this deception to lead people astray, to spread disinformation. I believe as well as things like the flat earth movement, even though I have many friends that believe that way. And I respect people to believe any way they want, but you got to look at all these things and perspective, you know, evolution itself. Evolution is the thing

Starting point is 00:50:29 that created the foundation for us to even believe in aliens to even exist. The idea that where there's water, there must be life, you know, well, before we believed they were believed in evolution, these entities were still contacting people, but they were elves, they were fairies, they were Quakers on the moon, you know, all these things that fit with the paradigm and belief system of those times because they changed their disguise as we changed our belief system.

Starting point is 00:50:57 And that's what you see when you investigate these things. And if you investigate the word of God, you can investigate how many pieces of scripture we have compared to every other ancient text of any kind, whether it's Homer or, you know, all these great writers, Pluto. We have way more versions and texts of the Old Testament scripture and any other ancient scripture. And I can send you proof that on top of proof that will back that up. And yet, people just don't want to look into it

Starting point is 00:51:31 because it's unwanted. They don't want this thing to be true because that means that they have to change their belief system. They can't be the person they used toue. That's the lie as well. The proof of it is that God will accept you right where you're at. Jesus will accept you right where you're at exactly how you are because he died for your sins 2,000 years ago. He's already paid the price. the price. You don't have to do anything yourself by being a good person. All you've got to do is accept that Christ is real and that he paid that price and penalty for you. that's it. you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th that that thus that tho th. th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th th. th th th. th. th th th th. th th th. thi thi thi the the the. the. the. that's true true true true true that's true. that's that's that's that's to to to to to to to to the. the. the. th he paid that price and penalty for you, that's it. It's as simple as the

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Starting point is 00:53:23 I mean, if you're walking through a forest and found a painting, you would know that a painter painted that. You wouldn't have to ever meet that painter to know that a painter actually made that painting. How much more complex is DNA and all of nature? And to think that that just arose by chance. People are taking their brain out and just throwing out out out out out not thinking about this stuff. You know, science has been hijacked by these same

Starting point is 00:53:49 deceptions and this is what, like I said, not only I found, but so many other people have found investigating. I just implore people, don't believe me, don't believe Joe. Investigate these things for yourself, investigate our claims, and see what she find. You know, Sam, there's some, the the their their their their the, their the, there's there's there's there's there's there's there's, there's, there's, there's there's their, their, their, their science, their science, the science, the science, the science, the science, their science, the science, the science, the science, the science, the science. Science, science. Science, the science. Science, the science science science science science, the science, the science, the science, the science, the science, the science, the science, the science, the science, the science, the science, their, their, their, their, their their, their theirate these things for yourself, investigate our claims and see what you find. You know, Sam, there's some of the early eufologists were already finding these same problems, you know, and a lot of it is not being looked at. You know, it's kind of like they don't want to look at the prior history. You know, you talked about that history, how can we trust history.

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Starting point is 00:55:19 about recovered crafts or possibly even corpses of these beings. Do you think anything's actually been recovered and if so what's the nature of? No, there's nothing out there. You know I work for the I've been with the biggest organization in the world, Moofan, you know for 25, 27 years now, you know, they will tell you we got nothing, you know we got hundreds of thousands of reports since 1967 when they were founded. All on database, but they got nothing. We've got no answer, period, nothing. So all of these people coming forward, put your goods on the table, dude.

Starting point is 00:56:04 You haven't yet. And know, and when I come to a conference and I say, don't trust me, trust the evidence, I will bring as many of the living testimony with me. Go to my web, my YouTube channel, watch my conference videos. I bring the living testimonies as many as I can get to the conference and say, talk to the evidence. This is real evidence. These people's lives have been changed through a relationship with Jesus Christ. These used to be totally distraught people because of the abduction experience.

Starting point is 00:56:39 Their lives have been changed the relationship with Jesus Christ. They're no longer having experiences. They've stopped them. They know what this is. And they can this. This this, this, this, this, this, this, this is th, th, th, th, th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. This is thi thi. This is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is th. This is th. This is th. This is th. This is th. This is th. This is th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the thi their their their thi their their their their their thi th're no longer having experiences, they've stopped them, they know what this is, and they can help you if you want help. And I've had people come to me and say, can you help me? And we've been able to help them. You know what that's called? That's called repeatability. And there's no repeatability in the UFO realm.

Starting point is 00:57:00 Nobody's been able to call call ship twice, but yet we can help people if you ask for it, just like the person before was helped. Okay. The other thing is it's not just abduction experiences, it's people that just suffer from sleep paralysis itself. There's a lot of people that suffer some sleep paralysis. I mean, really a lot of people, like I would say the majority of people, and that can happen just naturally as well or with certain medications, but there's people that are tormented for decades through sleep paralysis, seeing shadow beans, the hat man, the incubus, type beans. This same thing works. The name and authority of Jesus Christ works in expelling these entities and they don't return.

Starting point is 00:57:45 And so that's the other thing you find, it's not just the alien of duct teas, it's all aspects of sleep paralysis, all aspects of sleep paralysis. What is sleep paralysis? Channel entities or people used to channel beans or playing with wiji boards and start gebent by beans. There's many doorways to, for these entities to start tormenting people. It's funny, this parallels the story of what is Lindsay Sharman's story?

Starting point is 00:58:12 You know, she had sleep paralysis and this entity was, this dark being was coming to her and tormenting her. And then the one time she called on the name of God as you recall she the thing just disintegrated before her eyes like right as it was about to like mount her you know be right on her to... Alright you said you were trying to get abducted what's the protocol means Sam always talk about how long it happens. Before you go there hold on, hold on that question.

Starting point is 00:58:40 that that's a great question. But I want to stay on sleep paralysis for a second. Remember, put a pin in that question. Sleep paralysis, what is it? If it involves demonic possession, what exactly is sleep paralysis? And I'm sorry, I asked that why you were on a rant. I thought you were done. My bad. I'm going to get yelled at talking over the guests. But what is sleep paralysis?

Starting point is 00:59:06 Well, I know you and I talked about this in our first podcast a little bit, Sam, where there's all these doorways that open this up. And what's really fascinating is if you study the people who claim they have sleep process or abduction experiences, I would say nine out of 10, 90% of these people have in some way opened doorways from messing with the occult, playing with wigi-bores, being deeply involved with the new age or occult realms. And if it happens to children,

Starting point is 00:59:36 you'll find that their parents were deeply involved with the occult. This is so common that it's pretty much everyone, everyone that really has, you know, long-term sleep process or abduction experiences has some sort of doorway that they opened up, just like the idea that, you know, you got to invite a vampire to come into. There's some truth to that. These demonic beings work through invitation and they're familiar spirits, are familiar to you. They can appear as your grandma.

Starting point is 01:00:04 They can th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, the, the, the, the, tho, tho, thi, thi, theate, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, the, the, the, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. That, thu. That, thu. That are familiar to you. They can appear as your grandma. They can tell you all the things that you need to know. They'll convince you. They can bring you healings, good things, like Rikhi Energy, all these things that seem positive. This is all part of the carrot on the stick to nowhere. Who do you know that's enlightened? Who do you know that's reached this pin this pin this pin pin this pin this pin pin this pin pin this pin this pin this pin this pin this pin this pin this pin this pin this pin this pin this pin this pin this pin this pin this pin this pin this pin this pin c, this pinnic of, you know, that figured it out. None of us. All of us are in the same boat. We're all sinners, we're all in the same fallen state, and we need someone who is perfect, who was the Christ, Jesus, that actually can pay that price, can actually be that key to

Starting point is 01:00:37 offer us the doorway to eternal life, which is what our search should all be about, is how can we like figure this out and how can we make it not stop I can be together after you know when we die those questions are all there and it's free for the taking. Joseph your thoughts on sleep paralysis I agree with pretty much everything he says there but keep in mind and you know I'll state this one for you know know, the, for everybody to understand sleep paralysis, along with citing reports, along with abduction reports. Statistics show that 98% of all of it can be understood for possibly being other things,

Starting point is 01:01:21 you know, contributing to making it happen. There are people to deal with illnesses, there are people to deal with medications that cause it. But there are those instances that people are dealing with the spiritual nature, spiritual aspect to it. Don't get us wrong that every single sleep paralysis incident is a, you know, a demonic experience. Not every single one. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:46 Not every single experience of that alien abduction memory is a demonic experience. Not every UFO sighting is a demonic experience. Don't get us wrong on that. Okay, we're not trying to say there's a demon under every bush. That's not it at all. I get sleep. I get a regular sleep, but I never felt any dark presence or anything it's just this brief feeling of being trapped in my body and then waking up so. Sure and

Starting point is 01:02:12 in a lot of instances it's a natural phenomenon that happens to people but there are there are memories that people have because of the experience and that's where we we start looking at that when people come to us going you know I've I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I have the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. the the the their thi the. the. I've the. It's the. It's just the. It's just the. It's just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. I have I've th. I've th. I've th. I've th. I've the. I've the. I've the. I've the. I've the. I've theat. I've the. I've the. I've the. I've the. I've the. I've their the. because of the experience. And that's where we start looking at that. When people come to us going, you know, I've been having these sleep paralysis, and I've dealt with a lot of people who have sleep paralysis experience, and the memory is,

Starting point is 01:02:34 along with the sleep paralysis is they have a memory of an induction experience, they go hand in hand, okay? And that's why we bring both subjects up. Because when you have a sleep paralysis experience in it, you have a memory that comes with it. Now we're dealing with something that is not just a natural phenomenon. Okay, where did the memory come from? And this is something I want to bring up on abduction experience and the memory of it, okay? There's no evidence at all,, anywhere that anybody has ever

Starting point is 01:03:07 taken during an abduction experience. None. Again, zip, not a zero. Okay? What I have found in the research by asking the right questions and going back and doing this research properly, is that everything that the abduction experience seems to be is an implanted type of memory, like a false memory that's been given to these people during the sleep state, during the dream state. And the reason I say that is because when you look at it and ask the right questions in depth, all of the senses in the memory are not recorded.

Starting point is 01:03:42 It's like it's a sensational experience memory. It's like if you go to see a play, if you guys have ever been to a play, if you go to a play and let's say the play up on the stage you're looking at, they're, the setting is a living room, okay? They're only gonna put enough objects up there for you to grasp the concept that you're looking at a living room. Not every detail is there.

Starting point is 01:04:06 Well, guess what? The abduction experiences is exactly the same way. Not every detail is there. There's a reason for that, because it never really happened. They're doing the same type of thing as a play. They're giving you just enough sensational memory. So you go, oh, I remember that. That was horrible.

Starting point is 01:04:26 I remember where I was at. I was on this ship. I had this experiment. But did it really happen? No. But the memory was sensational. It was horrific. The question has always been, which is where the focus needs to be, but it hasn't been,

Starting point is 01:04:41 is boost the playwright, because that's what we're looking at. And when you start getting down to it and looking at it and getting all the answers to it, that playwright is evil, wicked, mean, and nasty, and it's an interdimensional entity. And that's what we're trying to show here. Is it God that's doing that? Because he was challenging us, or that's doing that because he was challenging us or that's putting this because we've had guests on to say that there's a chance that God is both God and the devil, which fits into your whole thing about deception?

Starting point is 01:05:17 No, God is, God is bringing the strong delusion, but he's letting the demonic entities perpetrate the delusion. Okay? Yeah, you remember, who created evil? Didn't create itself. God created everything. Okay? But he's using them to perpetrate his delusion. So interesting, dude.

Starting point is 01:05:44 It's like, so you've had, how many people do you think you've interviewed about abductions? Over 600. Okay, so you've interviewed over 600. So when you're things about like the missing 4-1-1 stuff and people who have experienced, ah, missing time and stuff like that, that's all planted memories in your belief? Yes. Now, the 4-1-1, that's stuff like that. That's all planted memories in your belief? Yes. Now the 411, that's a whole different concept. David Paladis with this 411 stuff, I think that's a whole different thing that's been brought into this field. I think that should be separated from this whole thing. I think

Starting point is 01:06:21 that's something totally separate that needs to be looked at, you know, totally separate from all of this. I don't believe it has anything to do with the productions because now you're talking about people physically missing in national forests. You know, I have my whole thoughts. I've watched a lot of that stuff. I see what he's doing there. He's brought this into a realm that people are highly gullible

Starting point is 01:06:47 to a lot of crazy stuff. And a lot of people are getting sucked up into it, just like all the other things out there in this realm. But I don't believe it's part of this abduction thing at all. Because the abduction experience is not physical. Okay, you can leave physical attributes to a person but it is not these people aren't being taken anywhere. These people aren't disappearing and not coming back. This 4-1-1 stuff has got nothing to do with the abduction experience. Okay, so you want to ask you something else? Do you think

Starting point is 01:07:21 everybody like Bob Lazar and all those are just sent out by the government to make us Let's ask you something else. Do you think everybody like Bob Lazar and all those are just sent out by the government to make us like think that they're around pretty much, like Project Blue Beam? Well, you know, I don't know if you got a chance to see the movie that Rock, what's his name, Robert Dardy was in, you know, we know there's people out there that are plants by the

Starting point is 01:07:45 government. These guys are, and they've been exposed and they're still out there that people are still trusted them for information, you know, and that's crazy. I think, I don't think the government is the one that's doing this cover-up stuff. You know, what I discovered long time ago, the cover-up is amongst the researchers were relying on for the truth. You know, because I found out way in a beginning, when I came across my first case that was able to be stopped, you know, when the researchers were saying you couldn't stop it, when I found out later that by talking to them that they also had cases that had been stopped, you know, right there, I realized that they were covering up.

Starting point is 01:08:25 So, you know, forget the government covering up stuff. The government's just running with our craziness. That's what I believe. The government's taking advantage of us falling for this crazy stuff, you know. I mean, we're giving them the best cover up for secret technology that they could ever, they couldn't buy what we're giving them them their their their, you, you, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, tha, tha, threats.ea, thrownea, threats.a, threats.a, threats.a, threats.a, threats.a, threats. And, their, th could ever, they couldn't buy what we're giving them, you know. Our craziness is giving them a free cover up for, you know, keeping all their secrets, you know, hidden from the other governments. And at most levels do they know the truth of, you know, the reality of what these sightings are?

Starting point is 01:08:58 Oh, man, I really, I really do think there is a group that does. If you've studied anything about Ray Bouchet and the Collins elite, Nick Redford wrote about this in final events. There was a government agency to contact his state director Ray Boshay, who was a Christian minister and a state director for Moufond. They singled him out to talk to him and said that they had, they realized what they were dealing with and they were scared. And, you know, I'm looking at and listening very intently to Louis Elizondo. And I'm telling you, I'm seeing these guys and looking at what they're trying to tell us. Was it not really telling us? And I they I I I I I I I I I I I they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they think they they think they know they know thin, thin't thin't thin' thin' they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thee an thean, to to told to to to tean, told to to to to to thean, thin. thiii th and looking at what they're trying to tell us.

Starting point is 01:09:45 Was it not really telling us? And I think they know what this is and they're just afraid to give it full-blown answers. They want us to say it. Not them say it. They want us to figure this out. To any extent are, is the government at any level in league with these dark forces, would, wa, thia, thii, their, thi, their, thi, their, thi, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're, and I. they're, and I. they they they they they thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi.. thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. thi. thi. thi. thee. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're these dark forces would you say? All right. I think there are aspects of it that probably are and don't realize what they've gotten themselves into. Okay interesting. It's just such an interesting you know it's just like when people go is everything a conspiracy and I go yeah. Everything's a conspiracy. And people are just like, like what how is that possible? I go because they've hidden everything

Starting point is 01:10:32 Our you know from who we are where we're from our history our symbolism our words our food our drink our water our, our air, everything they've just messed with because it's been such... They're doing it right now with the coronavirus. 100%? 100%. Are there any interesting interviews you've done with abductees that stand out? Oh yeah, one of my first ones that it brought me to my knees. Oh man, I'll never forget it. When I first came across my first case and realized what I was dealing with, and you know, I really hadn't, I mean, I recognized what I was dealing with and I knew I was on to

Starting point is 01:11:25 something bigger, but I wasn't grasping the enormacy of the whole thing yet. And at that time I was working at a boat company. I worked 24 years with one of the biggest boat companies in the world and they're in Florida. And when I first got into UFOs, you know, the guys I worked with, they were just ribbing me every which way. And it was one good friend of mine that worked there. He had the best jokes, you know, on throwing at me for being involved in all this stuff.

Starting point is 01:12:01 And you know, and he used to just rib me every day on, you know, with a new one. And then one day, right after I came to the truth with that first experience I came across and after talking to those leading researchers and understanding that I was on to something big, this wasn't an odd thing, this was something that had been covered up. And there were more cases like it. All of a sudden he calls me. I was on second shift at the time. I was running the weld shop and at product development and engineering there. I was working second shift and I just got home late at night. He calls me and he says and he was in total distress and he says man I need to talk to you. And I said, what's up? And he says, man, I am just. I am th. I am th. I am th. I am th. I am th. I am th. I am th. I am th. I am th. I am th. I am so I am so I am so I am so I am so I am so I am so I am so I was th. I was th. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. thi. I was on th. I was on th. I was on th. I was on th. I was on th. I was on thi. I was on. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. I was th. th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. thi. th. thi, man, I need to talk to you.

Starting point is 01:12:45 And I said, what's up? And he says, man, I just, I am so sorry for saying all the things I've said to you. And then I said, dude, what is up? And he says, I've been having these experiences. And I was just afraid to tell you, you know, but I've got to tell you now, to to to say, to to say, to to to say, to tell, to to to to say, to tell you, to to to to, tell you, to, to, to, the, to, the, they, to, to, to, to, they. they. And then, they, too, they, they, they, they, they, they, they. And I'm, they. And I'm, they. And I'm, they. And I'm, they. And I'm, they. And I'm, they. And I'm, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tell, tell, tell, tell, tell, they. tell, too, too, too, too, too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. the th the the the the tell you, you know, and but I've got to tell you now and I says, why is that? He says, they've really turned bad. And I said, well, you know, it's a Tuesday night and, you know, Thursday nights, my last night. How about we get together Friday, you know, and he says, okay, okay, you know, because we were working for four ten so we both be off on Friday. So the plan. So th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that, that, that, that, that, that, that's that's that's that's that's that, thi. that's that, that, th. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to toooooooooooooooooo. to. to. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. So the plan was get together Friday. Well, I thought no problem you know I can hold off to Friday. He can hold off till Friday. Well Thursday night he calls me again and he is just in sheer panic. And I mean this guy is totally distraught and he's going

Starting point is 01:13:42 dude dude you gotta help me and I'm going man what's going on? He says they're pissed at you. And I says they're pissed at you. And I, and I. And I, I, I, I, I, I th. And I th. And I they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they can't they can't they can't they can't they can't they can't they can't they can't they can't they can't they can't they can't they can't they can't they can't they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're tol. I they're toled. I they're they're they're to hold. I can hold. I can hold going, dude, dude, you gotta help me. And I'm going, man, what's going on? He says, they're pissed at you. And I says, what? He says, they're pissed at you. I've been taken, and they keep taking me. I'm going, what? I said, what are they pissed at me about?

Starting point is 01:13:59 He says, they know they know that you know the truth and that just brought me right to my knees. Here's communication coming from these entities through him to me. That's that's crazy. I got together with him Friday. I brought another researcher with me and I brought a friend to his that knew what I was doing. And we met with him Friday morning, early Friday morning. Guy hadn't slept all night. What had happened was him and his girlfriend had been on a dart team, you know, going from bar to bar playing darts.

Starting point is 01:14:40 And they had left the first bar going to the second one, and he wasn't driving, she was. And while they were driving, going down the road, and the road, the road, the road, the road, the road, the road, the road, the road, the road, the road, the road, the road, the road, the road, and the road, and the road, and the road, and the the the the the the the the first bar going to the second one and he wasn't driving, she was. And while they were driving, going down the road, all of a sudden he goes into his sheer panic attack and he realizes he's getting taken and he's freaking out and his girlfriend doesn't understand any of this, she doesn't know what's happening. And he just slumps over in the seat, in the pastor's seat. Oh my God.

Starting point is 01:15:07 Yeah, she's freaking, you know, and she pulls off the side of the road check and for a pulse, figured he might have had a heart attack or something. Pulse was there, and he was only out for about two minutes and then just jerks back up, and he's just totally freaking out. And to him, he had been gone a long time. Okay, this is that time distortion thing that they talk about during an experience. And he had just, he was able to tell her, you know, that this horrible thing it just happened to him. And he's trying not to tell her, you know, that he'd been having his experiences. So he finally gets calmed down, they get to the next bar, they make it through another dark tournament, and they leave again, and it happens again.

Starting point is 01:15:51 Okay, well, this is when he had called me, they finally made it home, and this is when he called me on that Thursday night. And he's telling me all this on Friday morning. And I said, if you finally told her what's going on? And he said, yeah, finally did it when we got home. And while we were sitting there going through this whole story Friday morning with him, he's all of a sudden he's sitting there in a chair and he goes, they're coming again. And I went, what? And he goes, they're coming again. And my partner, a Christian also, gets up and it was a female girl that was working

Starting point is 01:16:35 with me, goes over behind him, puts her hands on the back of his shoulders and starts praying out loud. You can't take him in Jesus name. He's ours. You know, he's a child of God because he actually was a believer. Raised Catholic, but still a believer. And you know, we're rebuking the enemy and all of a sudden he totally calms down and gets his total peace on his face and looks up and goes, how did you do that? And I said, we didn't do that. I said, Jesus did that, and we can show you how through him you can continue to have that peace and no more attacks. That was the first time we were able to see this in action. But I tell you, that message that came from him that these entities knew what I was doing,

Starting point is 01:17:35 that was scary. That was really scary. I feel the same way with the CIA that listened to this show. Bye guys. My question to you is, you know, you've talked a lot about the flying saucers and all this stuff and how that's a lot of disinformation. Is your old employer a big part of that? Is NASA a big part of the disinformation movement about entities and all that's because they seem, I mean, if we play this, if we kind of take disinformation movement about entities and all that's because they seem

Starting point is 01:18:05 I mean if we play this if we kind of take a look at who started NASA and it's like you know you know Von Braun Disney Jack Parsons all into the dark arts of cult uh what your thoughts on all that? Well maybe when it started yeah, yeah, and maybe, you know, a higher up handful, yeah. But you know, when it breaks down to your average worker that's, you know, working for NASA, you know, when I was at the Space Center out there, there were 15,000 plus people working there at the time of the shuttle program, you know, and most of them were, or people that I had known for 30, 40-a, the the th-up, th-up, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you th, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you, you, you, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, you know, you know, thi. Andthere at the time of the shuttle program. You know, and most of them were people that I had known for 30, 40 years, you know, my neighbors, you know, people I'd gone to, you know, to school or work with in other places, you know, and. They had no clue, you know, they didn't know anything. That was, you know, a family, you know, family history to them. Their father's work there, their grandfather's work there.

Starting point is 01:19:10 You know, it's just a tradition. But did, did they know anything about stuff like that? They had no clue. These were country boys raised in Florida, you know, they didn't know anything about any of that stuff. There might be, you know, the the their a a a a their their their their their their their There might be you know a handful at the top somewhere who knows but your average guy Nah, and how do you keep secrets among 15,000 people come on How do you know that when it comes to quote-unquote aliens and stuff like that? You know the whole theories there's something called project blue beam? Have you heard about that and what your thoughts about that? fake alien the whole theories there's something called Project Bluebeam. Have you heard about that? And what are your thoughts about that? Fake Alien attack, Return of Messiahs, and all that stuff. What you, what's your take on that, either of you? Well Project Blue Beam, I've heard about that 27 years ago. I mean, when's that ever going to happen, you know? And the idea of false

Starting point is 01:20:05 messias, we've been hearing about that in prophecy for 2,000 years. You know, that's to be expected. Yeah, what's interesting is looking into some of the explanations from lot of people like we talked about before the age of Pisces, which is the fish god representing the fish, and then they talk about they we need to move into the age of Aquarius. If you dig deep into that, a lot of those people, it's all an anti-Christian message. We need to get rid of this Christian, this thiiwake, thi. thri. to throwniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. throwni. throwneeei. thrownei. thr. thr. thr. thrash. thrash. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the w. thi. thi. thi. their, their, their, we need, we need, we need, we need, we need, we need, we need, we need, we need, we need, we need, we need, we need, we need, their, their, their. their. thi. thi. thi. Wea. Wea. Wea. thi. toe. Wea. Wea. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toda. toda. toda. today, today, today, today, today, today, we needa. they. today, we needa. today, we needa. t Christian views, this, you know, black and white version of reality, and we need to move into this new realm where we create our own reality type of thing, you know, the removing of the duality, they call it, you know, the event horizon back in 2012, they were talking about this exact same thing.

Starting point is 01:20:59 There were groups of people getting together on different lay lines and different points of the earth where they would do ritual, rhythmic movements altogether thinking that this would raise the consciousness of mankind and somehow remove all of the people on the earth who were believers in this old god. That's an actual thought process in the new age that that our alien brothers at some point are going to come and take away all the people caught up in this old paradigm so those left behind will then evolve to this higher consciousness and in a way it's almost kind of an explanation for a rapture type of event and I know some Christians believe in the rapture some people believe in

Starting point is 01:21:43 post-tribe that God's gonna kind of rapture us all away. I don't necessarily believe that. I think we may, at some point, Christ is going to return, but I don't think that it may happen before the tribulation. I'm kind of a wait and see person as far as that's concerned, but there are a lot of explanations from the the the of view explaining the possibilities of these things happening, almost like preparing for them to happen, which is really strange.

Starting point is 01:22:14 You have brought up the agnostic Bible, your thoughts on that? The agnostic Bible? Didn't you bring, or, no know the book of Enoch? Sorry about that. The book of Enoch. Oh yeah, the book of Enoch. Yeah, I mean, I think it's a really fascinating book to study. I mean, the Bible quotes the book of Enoch.

Starting point is 01:22:34 It says like, you know, as it says in the book of Enoch, but the book of Enoch is not part of scripture per se........ Yeah. Yeah. the book, the book, the book, the book, th. the book, th. the book, th. th. the book, th. the book, thi. thi, the book, the book, thi, thi, thi, the book, thi, thi. the book, thi, thi, the book, the book, the book, thi, the book, the book, the book, the book, the book, the book, the book, the book, the book, the book, the book, thi, the book, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. the book, the book, the book. the book. the book. thi. thi. the book. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. thee. thee. toe. toe. the book, the book, the. thee. the book, the book, Ethiopian Bible, it is part of their scripture. And the book at Enoch definitely backs up all the things that we talk about as far as the fallen angels, the idea that these things will possibly intermingling their seed with mankind to create possible strange hybrid offspring. You know, this stuff is, you know, people believe different things about this, but I believe that this was something happening before the flood. I don't think it's necessarily happening to this day.

Starting point is 01:23:18 I think it's been replaced with this eugenics, transhumanism idea where at some point they want to create a hive mind to upload everyone's consciousness and in my mind they could just create a black box and say hey this thing has all of humanity's consciousness in it and it could just basically be a fancy wigi board in disguise bleeping out all this information like a wiki board does but it really isn't the upload of people's consciousness. It's just a demon posing as that. So who knows? Very interesting stuff. You guys got any more questions? Yeah, actually you did mention that you were trying to get

Starting point is 01:23:59 abducted twice. What's the protocol? Like how would you... How do you get abducted? You leave cookies for Santa? What do you do for aliens? Well, back then? th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, it, th, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's just th, it's just the the th the the the the th thi, it's just just just just just, it's just just just just, it, it, it's just just just just just, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the thi the the the thi, the protocol? Like how would you... Yeah, how do you get abducted? Cookies for Santa? What do you do for aliens? Well, back then, my whole thing was creating aliens. I was sculpting this creature designer, so I went to see these things first hand. So I was like, man, if I could just get abducted, then I can see these things, bring back the information. And I was just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just, I their their their, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, I was just, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. thi, their, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, th. th. th. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. th. their, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. to, the. to, to to to the. the. the. th. the. their, th. their, their, th. that it would happen. I wasn't necessarily doing any rituals. Now, to say, now to speak on that, though, there is a group of people called the CE5 organization. They're doing close encounters

Starting point is 01:24:35 of what they call the fifth kind with Dr. Stephen Greer. And what's very interesting about this is basically a seance. They basically perform seances and contact entities that then speak through people like channeled information, the same old story. So they're basically admitting this so to speak. It's not just coming from Christians. These people are actually acting this out and the same thing has happened with these DMT rooms. What's really interesting is you study the DMT experiences. A lot of people, once they set their intent on going to Peru or wherever it is to have this

Starting point is 01:25:12 DMT experiences and meet with a shaman, they'll actually talk about experiencing interactions with these entities in their dreams before they even go there and take part in these DMT rituals. They start before it ever happens, start having dreams with these entities. the their their their their their their their their thi thiiii thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi things things. things. things things things things things things things things things things things things thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thithey even go there and take part in these DMT rituals. They start before it ever happens, start having dreams with these entities. So, you know, that tells me that they're possibly, this is all the same beings, basically using different doorways to contact people with the exact same messages. And it all eventually kind of wears off.

Starting point is 01:25:43 That's the difference you see with people like Joe and myself who have been believers for, you know, decades is once we make this decision with Christ, it doesn't wear off. We don't, you know, we don't go back into the new age or whatever, but you'll see a lot of people that are in the new wage or the cult or whatever, they'll try all these things. Like they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they' they' they' they' they'll they'll they'll they'll they're they'll they'll they'll they'll they'll they're they're they're th. I they're tho. they're tho. they're tho. tho. thoes. tho. thoes. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they're they're their their their their their their their their their their the. the. the. the. the an the an the an the an theanananan. thee an theanan. thean. the an the an the an the an the an thry all these things and it wears off. Like they go take a deep DMT thing and they think, hey, I've answered all my problems, I have no more anxiety, broke all my drug habits, all this things. But then after six, eight months,

Starting point is 01:26:16 you're like, I gotta go back, man, I gotta go deeper and deeper. And these entities tell them, resist nothing. That's their goal, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, tha, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th, th, th, they they they they they they th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, they're they're they're thii. That's their that's their goal. Do not resist anything. Do not be afraid to let the serpent swallow you, jump into the abyss. You know they tell them to embrace this darkness because they believe they tell what people if you embrace the darkness that's when you'll find the light on the other side. So I believe when you're embracing this darkness, you're actually asking these entities to enter you and becoming oppressed and possessed by demonic beings. So you it is of your belief that all psychedelics is like us us wanting to see something? No, no I think well I think

Starting point is 01:27:04 I think some of the psychedelics can act as doorways, but psychedelics, not all of them are spiritually, you know, some of it is just chemical reactions. Of course, just like Joe was talking about with the sleep process. Some of the stuff is just naturally cream type things. So I'm not saying there's demons behind every little thing, but the bigger picture, the bigger thing that's organizing these things and like actually putting this information out, channeled messages, books,

Starting point is 01:27:36 and having new age conferences, there's something behind that. Even the idea of an Illuminati, I don't think it's necessarily that believable. It's more like it's all spiritual. These people who aren't even connected are all being guided by these same entities, but they aren't even connected humanly. So they're arriving at the same conclusions, they're working toward the same kind of, same idea and messages of moving us toward this hive mind, transhuman type idea, evolving us to this higher realm, but it's coming from different languages, different belief systems, but that just backs up to me that these are being orchestrated by

Starting point is 01:28:20 entities behind the scenes that are spiritual and interdimensional. Okay, final two questions here. One, I want to know, are there multiple, are there, I know there's God, there's Jesus according to your research, but are there high frequency beings out there that work for them? And because we hear multiple demons or low frequency demons, are there that work for them and because we hear multiple demons or low frequency demons are there multiple high frequency demons that are doing the work of God and the work of Jesus Joseph. Yeah absolutely I mean scripture talks about that there's an angelic realm that the Bible talks about

Starting point is 01:29:01 but the angelic realm is divided. There's God's holy angels. Those are messengers for God. Okay, in every instance you see in scripture, when they show up, they're here to bring a message for God. Okay, then you have the fallen angels on the other side, and those are in war against God, and those are bringing messages of deception, they're bringing delusion, you know, they're here to deceive humanity.

Starting point is 01:29:32 So yes, there's both. There's there's, you know, ones that are doing bad and ones that are doing good. You have to be able to discern which one you're dealing with. And the only way you have, the only litmus paper you have for that is God's word. And God tells us that. That discernment comes through God's word. That tells you how to discern. Okay, and that's the only test we have. If you think you can do that on your own, you're not going to be able to. Yeah, first John 4.1, if you, if you, if you th, and read that, and read that, and read that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th, that, that, that, that, that, that that that that that that's that, that's that's that, that, that, that that that, that that that that that that that that that that that, that, that that, that, that that that that, that, that, that that that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the to. the the to be the the the the only only only the only the only the. to. to. the. the. to. to. the. th. th. th. not going to be able to. Yeah, first John 4.1, if you go and read that, it tells you, beloved, test the spirits, because not every spirit you're interacting with is of God, you know, and therefore test

Starting point is 01:30:17 the spirits and it tells you how to do that. It says if an entity, or if a being that you're interacting with, a spirit you're talking to, that Jesus Christ has not come as God in the flesh, then he is not of God. And what you'll find is that's what these channel spirits will never tell you. I have yet, and I've studied hundreds and hundreds of abductee channel messages, I have yet to find anyone who talks with a being that that channel being claims that Jesus Christ is the son of God. They all come from a twisted version of an anti-Christian message and that to me is beyond coincidence. You'd think if it's all made up and Christianity is just a

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Starting point is 01:31:44 come from other religions, okay, or other belief systems. And once this information gets out there and you know, once it comes to a point where people are in a place what's it called? There used to be a saying, you know, when the bombs are coming down, there's there's no such thing as a non-believer in the Foxhole. You know what I mean? So when you get to that point, when you're in true fear and truly distraught

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Starting point is 01:33:11 implanted memory, okay, and I think the whole traumatic medical experience that they're having is a control aspect. It's part of a mind control aspect of the whole scenario. It's part of getting him under control. Okay? I would add as well that that is kind of backed up with the idea of the fallen angels and through the book of Enoch where it talks about in the pre-flood world that these fallen angels had sexual relations with women and they created these hybrid offspring, you know, released. They attempted this, yeah, they created the ne. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that is that is that that that is that is that is that is that is that. that. that. I that. I is that that that. I is is that that that that that is. I is. I is. I is. I that that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is the the the the the the the the th. And. And. And that is that is that. And that is that. And that is that. And that is that. And that is that is that is that. And that. And they created these hybrid offspring, you know, released. Nephilim. They attempted this, yeah, they created the nephalum. And that the nephalum are these demonic spirits that we see roaming around and some of them are still chained in the abyss until they're a point of time

Starting point is 01:33:58 that God loses them to do whatever they're supposed to do. but it's interesting because it's not just the, like I said, the Christian realm, but it's these other realms that are kind of admitting these things and all these things are kind of coming to fruition. Joe and I have been trying to get this information out 20 plus years. And just in the last year or two, it's amazing how much, how many more opportunities or how many doorways, you know, like this show, that God is opening up. So I just really want to thank you guys for the opportunity having us on and allowing us

Starting point is 01:34:35 to spread this information because we really truly think this is the unwanted piece of the puzzle and that God is the glue that holds all these pieces of the puzzle together, these paranormal rounds, these mysterious things that we all like investigating. You know, the Bible is the guidebook to these things, in my opinion. So forget what you've been told about it, investigate it for yourself and read it like Joe said, for what it says. Take it for what it is. Don't believe what you've been told about it. All right, final question. We see a lot of people are talking about this vaccination. It's shish kebabs your DNA in the Bible, correct me if I'm wrong. There's a lot of talk about how

Starting point is 01:35:22 precious our DNA is. Do you guys feel like this is all part of this war that's going on to just basically destroy how precious our DNA is? Joseph? I don't. Okay. All right, interesting. I lean toward that possibility just because if you study the transhuman room, that's what they're all about is kind of, you know, changing us into non-humans. You know, I think that's kind of what the whole trans movement is about. Isn't making women into men and men into women. It's about making humans into non-humans. And the idea that we can create our own reality, create who we are, and then live forever on this earth

Starting point is 01:36:07 by uplating our consciousness or perhaps changing our DNA with CRISPR and some of these things. If you look into the quantum computing realm, and people like Jordi Shell, they're admitting, these higher up guys are admitting they're interacting with entities of some sort. He calls them the fallen ones and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they they they're they're they're they're their, they're they're they're they're they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they, they, they, they, they, they, they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are their their thi, their thi, their their thi, their thi, thi, theean their thean thean their their thean their their their their their, their, their, the admitting they're interacting with entities of some sort. He calls them the fallen ones and that they are like the great old ones talking about by HP Lovecraft and they don't really care about you one way or another but they have got information to to offer us so to speak. So there's

Starting point is 01:36:42 some really weird mergings of technology and spirituality and manipulating DNA to make us non-human. And if you look throughout history, there's a lot of these societies that have fallen that always gets to this point and then there becomes an androgynous kind of movement, where androgyny is kind of embraced as a whole. That's another fascinating thing that's happening to our society as a whole is this anti-masculine and androgynous kind of acceptance, which I think is a spiritual issue as well. All right, all right, I understand. So real quick, gentlemen, it's been a great interview.

Starting point is 01:37:19 Thank you so much for coming on. Joseph, can you tell them where they can find you, our listeners? My website is WWC, the number four, research.com. C.E. the number four research.com. It will be in the link, so go check that out. And Ark, where they can find you. Destiny Lab.com. And then if you want to check out our podcast and our videos, most of that is on our YouTube page, YouTube.com, forward slash Destiny Lab. I guess I've got a podcast where we dig into the stuff for two, three-hour podcast as well. So that's about it. All right gentlemen, I can't thank you enough for this very interesting episode.

Starting point is 01:38:06 I look forward to hearing, seeing how everybody takes your information. It's going to be very exciting and I know they're going to love it. The Swarm, I can't wait to hear their reaction to it. So again, thank you so much for coming on. I know it might be late wherever you are, so I appreciate that and hopefully we'll do it again soon everybody, okay? Thank you guys, thank you guys, and I love you swarm. Let us know what you think of the episode and I hope to see you in Phoenix next week. We'll talk to you soon. Take care. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere.

Starting point is 01:38:49 That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. You just blew my mind. Tim foil hack.

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