Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #444: Dreams, Time Travel and Precognitive Wormholes with Dr. Eric Wargo

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Starting point is 00:01:56 I really like this subject. We had a great show today. I got super giddy. Johnny couldn't stop laughing at how giddy I I I I I Italking. Yeah, watch the show. Watch the camera. I cut to him a few times and he is just absorbed. He looks like that, uh, that jiff of Jack Nicholson, uh, from, I think, anger management, where he's just like this, and I'm like, not, yeah, that's it right there. I thought you guys were on shrum. and I was like, why are these two laughing? I could, because Johnny was laughing at me because I was so excited about what Dr. Eric Wargott was talking about.

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Starting point is 00:07:45 Precognitive do your are your dreams From the future Yes, it's a great great great One of the best conversations. Very exciting show. Dr. Eric Wargo knocks out of the park Enjoy the show Drink from the fountain.

Starting point is 00:08:04 Okay, so let's get into it, man. Super excited about this episode. It's good to mix it up and not get into the same kind of topics we've talked about. It's good to, uh, I really enjoy this topic. We're gonna get into some dream analysis. I'm very excited. He has a website where his blog is. It's the night night night. It's the nightshirt.com. Super excited to have this

Starting point is 00:08:25 gentleman on. Please welcome Dr. Eric Wargo. How are you sir? Great. Thank you for having me. Doctor, thank you for coming on, slumming on our show. We appreciate it. Tell for our listeners who might not be familiar with you, can you please tell us a little bit about yourself? Yeah, I'm a science writer in the Washington, D.C. area. I work for, I've worked for a number of organizations and government institutes and stuff, writing about various sciences, psychology, neuroscience and stuff like that. But in my spare time for the past 15 years or so, I've had a blog on paranormal topics,

Starting point is 00:09:09 like, you know, which I started out interested in UFOs, like, many years ago now. But then I veered into the study of parapsychology, which is the study of ESP, and got very interested in it. And I spent the last 10 years studying specifically the phenomenon known as precognition, which is seeing the future, being influenced by the future unconsciously, feeling the future, sometimes called pre-sentiment. There are a lot

Starting point is 00:09:47 different words for it. But it's a incredibly fascinating topic and it's the the topic of my new book is specifically on precognitive dreams which are there a phenomenon that is, has been widely reported all throughout history and all cultures all over the world. And in fact, in pretty much every culture, and I don't know of any exceptions to this, except ours, it's just been assumed that these, that sometimes dreams bring us scenes from

Starting point is 00:10:27 our future, you know. But in the sort of scientific materialist worldview that has sort of dominated for the last few centuries in our culture, that idea has really been sort of rebutt. And, and as a result, there's what I call a truth gap between the real lived experience of dreamers who very commonly dream about things that are gonna happen in their lives. Maybe the next day, next few days, sometimes exactly a year later,

Starting point is 00:11:00 or exactly multiple years later. It's incredibly common. And in fact, there's a lot of good scientific evidence for the existence of precognition. But still there's this sort of denial by skeptics. So I'm trying to kind of change the conversation about it with my new book, Precognitive Dreamwork in the long self. Dude, where have you been all my life? I'm all about this action, dude. I am all about this, man.

Starting point is 00:11:34 I love this topic. I am so excited about that. You know, ESP, being able to see the future dreams, what happens in your dreams, I find all that so interesting. And you know, so I want to get into that, but I really want to talk about like as a doctor, as a scientist, as somebody who has studied, and maybe I'm, maybe you haven't, but the scientific method, and then you're dealing with things such as ESP and all that stuff. How do you, how does that come together?

Starting point is 00:12:11 Because like we've talked to, we've had doctors on the show before and we talk about something like momentum. How do you study momentum? How is momentum? How is momentum measurable? I mean we all feel it, but how do you measure it? How does that fit into the scientific method? So when you're talking about ESP and looking into the future and all the other stuff that comes with, you know, people talk about astroplaining while you're sleeping. How do those two worlds come together? Well, your question is really a great one. And it's notoriously hard to study a lot of aspect of human behavior, purely scientifically.

Starting point is 00:12:57 And a lot of psychologists will dispute that. They'll argue that, no, you can use science for everything. I disagree. I think that that human we're as we're motivated by meaning, okay, we're meaning seeking creatures. And while you can measure a lot of things about us, you can measure our biological functioning and you can even measure our aspects of our behavior. You can't measure meaning, okay? You can't measure what things mean to me as an individual person with a unique life experience. And this is one of the thing,

Starting point is 00:13:36 because dreams are so centered on meaning, okay, they're very personal. They're all about our personal desires, fears, and our own and they all relate to our own unique life experience. It's very hard to study them quantitatively using the scientific method. I mean you can study them that way, but you also have to study them in other ways. And so what I'm what I do in my work is sort of try to bring together, you know, what we know from the science, and what people in other fields have also brought to the table.

Starting point is 00:14:15 For instance, the field of psychoanalysis, like a lot of your listeners probably, you know, think that Singman Freud was some old white dude who was debunked, you know, you know, decades ago. Well, it's a lot, it's more complicated than that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi wea wee we wee we we we we we we we we we we we is we is we is we is wea, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, think that Singman Freud was some old white dude who was debunked, you know, you know, decades ago. Well, it's a lot, it's more complicated than that. I mean, Sigmund Freud, who wrote the classic book, the interpretation of dreams, in 1900, really was a pioneer in studying the meanings that we make, and the meanings in dreams and how to interpret their meanings. And and his big claim was that in fact our conscious life is just the tip of an iceberg. Everything below the water of that iceberg is the unconscious and it and it rules us and it and it emerges in our dreams and emerges in jokes and in artworks and and you know slips of the tongue and emerges in jokes and in artworks and in, you know, slips of the tongue

Starting point is 00:15:07 and neurotic symptoms and all that. And actually, you know, that viewpoint really went out of fashion for a long time as psychiatry got really interested in using medication and stuff to treat metal illness, but it's actually neuroscientists have really come back around in a way to Freud. I realize that actually he was right. I mean, we, I, I, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, th, and th, th, th, th, th, th, and th, th, th, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and the thi, and the the the the the the the thung, and the the the th, and the the the th, and the the th, and the th, and the the th, and the the the the the the the the th, and the the the th, and the th, the th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. And tonge, tongu.. And tongu.e.eee.e.eeeean, tongu.e.e.e. tongu. tongu. And, tong neuroscientists have really come back around in a way to Freud. I realize that actually he was right. I mean, we have this vast unconscious and it does rule us and it governs our behavior

Starting point is 00:15:33 in lots of ways. So no, he's, he's, you know, I think Freud is due for a comeback actually. And I'm kind of bringing him into this conversation about precognitive dreams. He did not himself believe in the reality of dream precognition, which is interesting because he had a major pre-cognitive dream in his life. But anyway, his overall theory, I think is very valuable,

Starting point is 00:16:01 but you just need to think of the unconscious differently. I think of the unconscious as basically our life, our consciousness, that is still ahead of us in time. That is our future self influencing us now. Yeah, dude, I'm all about that. And I couldn't agree more. So when I, you know, so what we're talking about here is some people might call it woo woo, I don't think it's woo woo, but I actually, I want to know like, you know, the sciancism that we are in right now, you know, this almost this movement to look at science in a religious way, right?

Starting point is 00:16:41 And, you know, teach their own, I, you know, I'm open-minded to everything. Anything I hear in my life, I stand in karate stance and I'm like, okay, you know, I don't just fully just believe in, I, I, I, I, I, I question everything, right? That's really the basis of the show. Some people think it's a spiritual skepticism. You know, you, know, you take spiritual skepticism to the official narrative and you you question everything and which I think is a healthy thing to do and if you at the end you come to your conclusion sometimes it might be the official story, sometimes it

Starting point is 00:17:18 might not, but you know, but what I what I've always kind of wondered here is and talking to you, you're perfect for this question is, do you think sometimes the rules of science were put in place to keep us from maybe looking at all this amazing stuff that you're talking about and all this amazing stuff that you've discovered? Like, you know, the laws of physics, right? Let's just take the laws of physics. Where does future tripping, future looking, fulcings, the, th, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do thi, do thi, do the thi, do thi, do thi, do thi, do thi, do thi, do thi, do thi, do thi, do thi, do thi, do thi, do thi, do th, do th, do th, do th, do th, do th, do th, do th, do the the the the rules, do the rules, do the rules, do the rules, do the rules, do the rules, do the rules, do the rules, do the the rules, do the thi, thi, thi. thi. Do you thi. Do you thi. Do you thi. Do you thi. Do you thi. Do you thi, do thi, do th know, the laws of physics, right? Let's just take the laws of physics. Where does future tripping, future looking, falls into the laws of physics? And to me, the most amazing part of, like, the world that we live in, whatever that may be, is the stuff that maybe falls outside of this box that science wants us to look at this amazing world. That is so much more beautiful magical complex than maybe we're taught to believe and as you go

Starting point is 00:18:12 through your journeys you just keep getting these you keep peeling back these amazing layers that maybe in science you're never allowed to look at because it falls out of this standard model of how we have to look at our universe. And I'm not trying to condemn science, but I wonder if there is a part of science that wants to keep us from looking at that. That's a complex question. The the real, no, I don't think that that there's like a, science doesn't want to keep things hidden. That's not, that's not the scientific mentality.

Starting point is 00:18:51 But, but there are a lot of features of the way science is conducted and scientific institutions and universities. And these are all human institutions. And, and there are all kinds of ways in which there are pressures to conform to a specific scientific paradigm and not you know question certain things that powerful people in the field that that's what I'm trying to say yes there's always there's always that there's always that pressure but science is always evolving and expanding.

Starting point is 00:19:25 And in fact, one of the reasons I feel very confident in making the arguments I do about dreams is that in physics, i thrii. In physics, actually, a lot more and more physicists are starting to come around to the idea that in fact the future can retro influence the past. That in fact this may be, there are some physicists who will argue that the famous randomness of quantum physics, you know, the idea that you can't predict you know what a single particle is going to do in an experiment, whatever, that that random element

Starting point is 00:20:04 in physics may in fact be the influence of that particle's future on its present, okay? And if that's the case, then boom, that opens up whole new worlds for thinking about how our futures can influence us now. So in my books, I talk about, you know, sort of developments in quantum physics that that allow retrocausation and that that imply that maybe retrocausation is kind of the answer awaiting us to explain a lot of spooky mysteries about the quantum world. On the other hand, you have the emerging

Starting point is 00:20:41 field of quantum biology, which is showing all of these spooky quantum effects in biological systems. And, you know, and then there's quantum computing, which is this field that is, you know, they're trying to create quantum computers. Well, what they're also demonstrating is that you can reverse, cause and effect in a quantum computer. You can reverse, you can have an out,

Starting point is 00:21:04 essentially have an output before an input, okay? And if that's, okay, that's pretty amazing, but then a lot of people are arguing, well, that the brain is a quantum computer. And then there, and there's a lot of people looking for evidence that, that in fact, the brain is literally a quantum computer. Well, if that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's that's that's that's that's that's th. that's th. th. that's th. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the case, then pull this together, then it's actually not woo-woo at all to say that we can get previews of our future experiences. The argument I make in my books is that the brain really is a kind of time machine, that

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Starting point is 00:24:53 I use it. These guys are going to use it. If you love America, you love freedom and you love smelling like a keg of whoop ass. Okay, get Dr. Squatch soap. You have some stuff you've sent me to talk about and I wanna get into that, but dude, I love this topic. It's like, this is like Christmas to me right now. Like having this conversation is like, this is what I've been waiting for, you know. And so you send me the stuff, but your thoughts on time itself you know what where do

Starting point is 00:25:25 dreams come into what time is is their future is their past or is there everything at one time like and that time is almost like a book where pages are stacked on top of each other and we're gonna say a flat circle I'm gonna say a flat circle that you know the true detective things time time is a flat circle what what am I the that tho th th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th th th th that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that tho-I that that the the tho-I the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their that that thi thi thi thi thi. thi. I thou-I theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat. thoooo-I tho-I tho-I theee you know, the true detective thing, time is a flat circle. What am I Matthew McConaughey? Am I driving a car? Really sounded like you were going there for a bowl? That's not who I am, dude, you know? I don't like high school chicks even though they stay the same age, okay? That's not what I'm into. What I'm talking about is what does, what is your analysis, what is your analysis, what is your analysis, what is your analysis, what is your analysis, what is your analysis, what is your analysis, what is your analysis, what is your analysis, what is your analysis, their their th, what is your analysis, th, thi is your analysis, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thian, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th is thi, like, th is your th is your th is your th is your th is your th is your th is your th is your th is your th, th, th, th, th is your th, th, th is your th is your thi is your thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that's that, that, that, like, like, that, like, like, like, like, like, that, like, like, that, like, like, that,, but your thoughts on time? If our dreams, our future is time in front of us? Or is time above us? Is the future right now?

Starting point is 00:26:12 Why the past is right now? Well, yeah. Albert Einstein, you know, over a century ago, basically said time is just a dimension, just like the dimensions of space. And the implications of that are that even though we experience time as sort of flowing in one direction forward, that's really a cognitive illusion. And actually lots of psychological research

Starting point is 00:26:36 and neuroscience research is showing how we have that illusion of time marching forward and why we don't experience our whole lives all at once. But in fact, and cosmology, astronomy proves this, the future and past are all still, they're all sort of existing together, you know, and time is a dimension and you can go in both directions across that dimension theoretically. In the future, we will have, I believe, time machines and wormholes that take us from the future into the past and so on. And like I said, in quantum computers,

Starting point is 00:27:16 it seems like you can do that with information. And so, yeah, so Einstein, the space time continuum means that we live in what is often called a block universe. That is to say, there's the three dimensions of space, but the fourth dimension time is just another dimension like that. And it's all, it's all there, it's all there all at once. And so, you know, I believe by saying that the brain is a four-dimensional object that processes information across the lifestan.

Starting point is 00:27:51 I really, I think that the evidence from precognitive dreaming shows that our future experiences, even experiences years ahead in our lives are already in our brains right now. Okay. Symbolically, I mean, we can't see it directly. It's unclear and it's fuzzy, but it's already here. Sort of the same way, our past experiences are still here in memory. And it's not always accurate, you know, it's, there's inaccuracies and, and it's, it's couched in symbolism and stuff like that, but it's, it's there.

Starting point is 00:28:28 And that's an amazing, uh, that's an amazing implication. And another amazing implication, you know, of the block universe model is that, you know, if the future is influencing me now, so's threat. You know, I mean, the thu thu thu thu thu thu that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, th. that's, that's, the the the the the the the the the the the the th., th., that's, that. that. that's, that's, that's, that's, my dreams, that means me now is influencing my past. You know? Me now helped shape my past. Something like Rick and Morty's shit over here. No, dude, this is straight up back to the future, bro. This is like you can't go back and hit on your mom.

Starting point is 00:29:00 Are some people more skilled in recognizing those symbols and how they interpreting them and what they mean for their future? Yeah, definitely. I think I've come to the conclusion or I guess it's a hypothesis because I can't prove it yet. But my strong hypothesis is that we are all precognitive dreamers, that precognition is somehow basic to our mental functioning in ways that we just don't, science has yet to explore, but that we all are dreaming about events in our future, probably every night, and we generally don't recognize it. But some people who sort of get a reputation as precogs, and that was a word used by Philip K. Dick, and his stories, people who have a reputation

Starting point is 00:29:56 as highly pre-cognitive people. There are people who are more attuned to that, who are paying attention to the similarities between their dreams and later events in their lives. And some of them, and some people, everyone dreams differently, and some people have a habit of dreaming a lot about disasters and disasters that are gonna happen.

Starting point is 00:30:16 And so that, you know, disasters kind of stand out. And so if those people tend to notice that they're pre-cognitive more readily than than most of us. You know, I tend to dream about very mundane things in my life. And so it doesn't surprise me at all that until about 10 years ago I was unaware that I was pre-cognitively dreaming. I had to sort of get interested in this topic and start to pay attention. I realized, oh my God, I'm doing it every night. But yeah, some people are better able to notice that they're doing it.

Starting point is 00:30:52 And additionally, it really helps to already have a practice of dream work. That is to say to record your dreams, to interpret them, whether in a Freudian psychoanalytic way or according to the ideas of Carl Jung or there are any other, any number of other approaches to dream work. But to, yeah, to have that habit of decoding their symbolism and stuff, it really helps. So you keep Paul Hahn. You keep using the term precognitive crime, I mean pre-cognitive abilities for my co-host, Xavier. He does not know what that that that that that means that that means that means that means that that th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the ideas the ideas the ideas the the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas the ideas th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the term precognitive crime, I mean precognitive abilities for my co-host Xavier. He does not know what that means.

Starting point is 00:31:30 Can we break it down for those who might not understand exactly what you when you say precognitive? Yeah, precognition is being mentally influenced by experiences ahead in your life, okay, in your future, in a way that goes beyond simply prediction. You know, we can all predict things about the future through inference. And, you know, I can predict that I'm gonna, you know, get up at roughly 7.30 tomorrow morning and blah blah blah, and I have plans. So I'm able to predict things. But precognition is something more specific. it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a thi. thi. thii. thi. thia, it's thia, thia, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thiii. thiii. Okay, thiiii. Okay, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a a thi. Okay, it's a thi. Okay, it's a thi. Okay, it's a thi. Okay, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi.a.a.a.a. thi.a.a.a. thi. thi.a. thi. thi. to predict things. But precognition is something more specific.

Starting point is 00:32:06 It's actual events in the future or experiences in our future that are unpredictable, nevertheless influencing us in such a way that we get a preview of them somehow in our dreams, or that we get a feel, you know, somehow they affect our feelings. Like, something bad is gonna happen tomorrow and I'm feeling weird today, and if I can somehow make a correlation

Starting point is 00:32:33 between those two things. And precognition also manifests in all kinds of other ways. Some people are very prone to having visions or hearing voices or whatever. These are often, often contain pre-cognitive information. Like they'll have a flash vision of something, something that happens, you know, the next day. So there are all kinds of ways people can be influenced by their future. Dreaming is just sort of the most, the easiest for people to start exploring this in their own lives.

Starting point is 00:33:08 But, so it's just basically means being influenced mentally by your own future experiences. Is this skill or talent somehow connected to remote viewing? You know how all the CI did Scar, Stargate, is it have something to do with, is that the same hour saying like John Rob maybe I don't know like Yeah, this is a big yeah, this is a big debate actually in the remote viewing community Some people and I fall in this camp are

Starting point is 00:33:40 Suspect that much or most remote viewing so--called remote viewing, may actually be precognition because people may not be actually, you know, remote seeing some event around the world. They're actually seeing the feedback they're going to get, you know, when, you know, the picture is pulled out of the envelope or the person giving them the assignment tells them, yes, you were, you know, the the target was a, you know, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, tha. thea, thea, tha. tha. ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta. ta.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e. ta.e.e.e.e.e.e.e. ta. ta. ta. is pulled out of the envelope or the person giving them the assignment tells them, yes, you were, you know, the target was a facility in Russia and blah blah blah, blah. And, you know, so there's this idea that remote viewing may be just precognition, but that's highly, that's highly controversial. And most remote vieers really believe that remote viewing is a separate skill, that it's what used to be called clairvoyance.

Starting point is 00:34:27 And remote viewing is just kind of a more science-y-sounding version of that old concept that we can see things at a distance. And back when the Rines, the J.B. Rine and his wife, Louisa Rine, at Duke University in the 1930s, when they sort of coined the term ESP. That there, that was the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, that was that was th, that was that was th, that was th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thee, thee, thee, togu.e, toguii.B. Ryan and his wife, Louisa Ryan, at Duke University in the 1930s, when they sort of coined the term ESP. And that was sort of the beginning of parasycology, as we know it. They really distinguished three separate psychic abilities. The main one was clairvoyance, that is to say,

Starting point is 00:35:00 what we now call remote viewing. The second was telepathy, that is to say some sort sort of the the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, tho, tho, tho, tho-a, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi.. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. theeeeeee. thee. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the second was telepathy, that is to say some sort of contact between minds, all right, and the third was precognition. And so throughout the history of paracology, there's this idea that there are these three things. But like I say, there's an argument to be made, that those first two may really be precognition in disguise, that we're not, in fact, sensing things at all at a distance or even sensing other minds, that we're previewing some moment

Starting point is 00:35:34 where we connect with that other person, or preview a moment where we find out what was happening at that site halfway around the world. And so it's really precognition. But that's an open debate, and a lot of people will disagree with me on that. But it's still an interesting question. So one of the questions I would like to get into is, how do we recognize in our dreams when we wake up from sleep?

Starting point is 00:36:04 What are we looking for? How do we recognize precognitive when we wake up from sleep? What are we looking for? How do we recognize precognitive in dreams when we wake up? Because you said dream work, you talked about that earlier, writing down. What exactly is that? Okay, pre-cognitive dream work consists of three steps. And I'll tell you what they are right now. And you can start tonight by putting a notebook and pen by your bed.

Starting point is 00:36:26 All right, that's that's number one. The first step in a pre-cognitive dream work and the first step in any dream work is writing down all your dreams. And that means even the ones that just seem like trivial or where you just remember just some vague image or whatever, write it down. Just write everything you can remember down from your dreams and date it, all right? That's step one. The second step is to do what a lot of people already do, if they're interested in psychoanalysis, for instance, they'll free associate on their dream images.

Starting point is 00:37:04 Okay, so just take a moment, just ask, what does this remind me of? Like, what is this person in this in my dream? Well, you know, what does that remind me of? Or what does this situation kind of remind me of? And often it'll be something very apparent. It'll remind you of some situation in your life, you know, recently or something. It'll conjure a memory, an immediate memory. And that's important because it's often those associative links to your dreams that are actually the connection

Starting point is 00:37:33 to the later experience in your life. So you write those down too. And this does really, I mean, it doesn't take more than a few minutes, unless you have like a bunch of dreams, and then it can take a long time to write them in detail. But write your dreams down, free associate on them. And then the third step, and this is the key, and this is what no one does, and this is what no one thinks to do, and this is why we aren't aware that we're pre-concognitive dreamers. At the end of I don't have to think about them. But at the end of the day, go back to your dream record from that morning and from the previous couple of days. And just think, and just think about

Starting point is 00:38:12 the dreams and your associations to them. And just think about them in relationship to your experiences and your preoccupations and stuff over the course of that window of time, those few days. You're most likely to notice a pre-convict of dream relating to an event over the next few days. That's not a hard and fast rule. Often you'll dream about something in a week or two. Again, a very common feature of dreams is that you'll dream about something exactly a year later if it's a significant event in your life or even

Starting point is 00:38:50 multiple years. I've got a lot of examples of my books of people dreaming about events like multiple years in their future. It's remarkably common, but you're going to mostly notice pre-cognitive dreams happening over the next, over the course of that day, sometimes even within a few minutes of waking up. But over the course of that day and the next couple days. So again, write down all your dreams, free associate on them quickly, briefly write those associations down and go back to your dream records at the end of every day, at least the last, the previous three days. That's the basic, that's the basic methodology.

Starting point is 00:39:31 Are there, you know, there, we've all seen books that break down symbolism in dreams that certain, like, let's say a koala bear means you're going to meet your your long-lost father or something like that or whatever it might be I was just making something up there, but you know Have you noticed any of that where there is You know certain images show up in your dreams those tend to be associated with certain events that are gonna happen you're going to meet or any of that stuff. It's unique to every individual person. So you cannot, there is no such thing as a key, like a dream guide that's going to decode your symbols for you. The only one who can decode your symbols is you. Because your dreams consist of personal associations. They're very personal.

Starting point is 00:40:25 And the more you record your dreams, if you keep a dream record over the course of weeks, months, years, you start to really notice your own, your own symbolic language. And it's very unique to you, because it consists of your own personal, it all relates to your own unique personal experiences. I mean, no one, no two people have the same experiences in life. Now that is to say, well

Starting point is 00:40:48 there's an exception to this. I mean people who are interested in a Jungian dream work will talk about archetypes in their dreams. Okay, archetypes are sort of symbols that supposedly have the same meaning for everybody. I, it's really more true that that people who are interested in Carl Jung and myths and so forth will dream those kinds of symbols as part of their dream language. For the same reason, you know, Sigmund Freud was famous for sort of interpreting everything through the lens of the myth of Etypus and he interpreted everything as the the tipus. And he interpreted everything as Oedipus. Well, his patients started dreaming,

Starting point is 00:41:30 you know, and they would have edible dreams, you know, and because that was part of the kind of, that became a symbol for them, because they were interacting with this tradition. He was kind of influencing what they were doing. Yeah, yeah. So you will dream, yes, I mean, some symbols in your dreams may be more general cultural symbols. I'm trying to think of an example. I mean, you know, some symbols in dreams are probably similar for, you know, most Americans, you know, because we sort of share a common culture,

Starting point is 00:42:01 but by and large, dreams symbolism is very unique to the individual and you just have to get you just have to start recording your dreams and noticing those symbols. It's an amazing, you know, dream work, even forgetting the precognitive part, dream work is fascinating because it gives you such insight into into your own mind and one of the things it'll show you is the symbols that are so important in your life and because they they reappear again and again and to your to your to to to the the to the the th again and again and the the th th again and the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi. thi. thi. thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. You just thi. You just thi. You just thi. thi. thi thi. thi just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just thi thi thi thi th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. You thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. And thi. I thi. thi. thi. You thi. thi. You thi. thi. thi. thi. You just just just just just just just th the symbols that are so important in your life and they because they reappear again and again and again in your dreams but so but no you there's not you can't there's no like way to decode dreams objectively

Starting point is 00:42:36 using some kind of guidebook or whatever what is the men and if I mess this word up please forgive me I flung first grade but what is the menomonic theory Mn-n-ne-nonee theory? the the the the the the the the theory? theory? theory. theory. theory. theory. theory. theory. theory. theory. Mn. Mn. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theory. I the the the the the the the their their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the theory. theory. theory. theory. theory. theory. theory. theory. theory. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the men, and if I mess this word up, please forgive me, I flung first grade, but what is the menomonic theory? M-N-E-M, what's it? N-monic, excuse me, what's the pneumonic theory? Mnemonic, yeah, mnemonic just means very. It's, the, the most, you know, neuroscience have never sort of quite got their stories straight about what dreams do and what their function is.

Starting point is 00:43:08 And this is, I believe, partly because, you know, they're very narrowly applying scientific methods to something that's very hard to capture scientifically. I mean, there's this meaning dimension to them. But they have sort of gradually come around to the consensus, sort of a rough consensus in neuroscience, that dreams are about the making of new memories. That what happens when we sleep is that they will say recent experiences in our lives, like the experiences from the previous day or two, get sort of symbolically transformed, and that's part of the way they're linked

Starting point is 00:43:45 to events in our long-term memory, so that they're essentially short-term memories get connected to our long-term memories in dreams, and that dreams are the experience of this happening, they're the actual experience of the synapses firing, that connect these recent experiences in your life to experiences that are older in your memory. Okay, that's sort of the consensus that neuroscience has come around to. And so that's the mnemonic theory, the idea that the dreams are essentially about memory and forming new memories.

Starting point is 00:44:21 And so, and I think that this is correct, but I think that in fact our memory goes both directions right it doesn't it's not just about recent experiences it's also about future experiences and it's about linking those recent experiences to future experiences and that that's what we're really seeing in a dream. And your experience related to that are dreams a salad of past experiences and possibly future experiences? Are they all mixed up? Do they come in chunks in your experiences? Does some people have a higher proportion of future experiences in their dreams relative to past experiences? Yeah, I don't know. In my experience, it's hard to say.

Starting point is 00:44:59 I, I, I, I, the argument that that I make in my books is that really what's happening in dreams is that future experiences are getting connected to our recent past experiences. There's these dreams kind of form a bridge between them so that theoretically, if that's right, if my hypothesis is right, all dreams sort of contain a little bit of future and past stuff. And that it's very easy, if you don't have a concept of precognition, to recognize that past stuff and to think dreams are just about our past and about memories. And this was Freud's assumption. He recognized that, you know, dreams, a lot of dreams continue recognizable,

Starting point is 00:45:38 things related to happen the previous day or previous couple days. And so he thought, and a lot of symbolism and stuff that related to our earlier life and childhood and stuff like that. So he thought the dreams were all about our past. I think it's more complicated. I think that that past stuff is really helping us represent stuff from our future, that we don't really have context for yet. So it's putting kind of future ideas and thoughts and feelings into a kind of context of based on our past and it's

Starting point is 00:46:08 using our past experiences as symbols to represent our future experiences. That's my hypothesis. Is there a, you know, you always hear people say always, well, in the circles I run that, which is a very interesting click of people, but they often discuss dimensions. That is it possible our dreams are us in going to other dimensions? And you know, because you kind of mentioned like dimensions earlier, is it possible that in our dreams that we visit other dimensions?

Starting point is 00:46:42 A lot of people think so. I mean, that's a, that's a very popular idea. I personally don't think so. I personally don't think so. I, I, that's, which is a, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, that, that, that's, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's is is is is is is is is. that's is. that's is. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. that's, that's, that's, thi. that's, thi. that's, thi. thi. that's, thi. that's, that's, thi. thithink so. I mean that's a that's a very popular idea. I personally don't think so. I think that I think that that if we really think about our future and how our future experiences get transformed and symbolically represented and if we were when if we were able to like map out all of our future experiences and compare them to every individual dream, which is like impossible. But I suspect that we wouldn't need

Starting point is 00:47:13 to think about other dimensions, that what feels like going to another dimension is really going into our future. But our future, because it's always represented symbolically and kind of theatically, dreams, dreams take mundane things and make them theatrical and so we can have a you know a totally science fictional mind-blowing dream that may feel like going into another dimension or whatever but then like a couple days later have kind of a mundane experience that like oh wait, everything in that wild dream actually is related to this kind of relatively mundane

Starting point is 00:47:48 thing that I'm living through right now. So I just, I'm just asking people to like really pay attention to just the time dimension. Because we've never, you know, science has yet to really deal with the time dimension. And certainly psychology hasn't in this sense. And so I think that, I think there's a lot of work ahead of us, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, a really, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi, thi, thi. thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thiiii. thi. thii. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. time dimension. And certainly psychology hasn't in this sense. And so I think that I think there's a lot of work ahead of us, really exciting work, to understand, understand the time dimension in our lives and how that relates to consciousness and all that. So I think it's too soon to think to really explore the idea of other dimensions, because I think, I think the time dimension is a totally unexplored of dimension of dimension, and of dimension, and it of of of of of of of of the dimension, and it the the thured dimension, and it has the the thured dimension, and it has the thuored thi the thi the thi the thi thi thi the the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti thi thi thi thi thi thi it's too soon to think to really explore the idea of other dimensions because I think I think the time dimension is a totally

Starting point is 00:48:28 unexplored dimension and it has a lot of mysteries in store. If our dreams predict the future, the future is full of talking cats. That's all I know because I have so many talking cat dreams. I'm sure DARPA is working on that because we see Boston Dynamics, that's the next thing from Boston Dynamics, isn't it? It's going to be talking cats. Do you have a question? Yeah, hey, Eric, where do you stand on lucid dreaming? People that claim to be able to go visit their mom, change time? Is that different? Well, the experience is very real. I mean, and lucid dreaming is awesome. I mean, it's, you know, it's like having the most amazing movie, you know, at night in your head.

Starting point is 00:49:14 So yeah, I highly recommend people, you know, there are a lot of, my one of the last chapters in my book talks about precognition and lucid dreams. I don't, you know, I don't have enough, didn't have enough space in the book to talk about methods for inducing lucid dreams, but there are a lot of books on that and you can go on the internet to a lot of, a lot of great guides to lucid dreaming, but yeah, lucid dreaming is a real thing. It's quite, quite amazing when you practice it. And it's a little hard to learn to do, but it's not impossible. And once you learn to do it, you'll start doing it more and more, and it's a, you know, a fascinating, a totally fascinating dream realm to explore. But I think that lucid dreams are, in my experience, especially precognitive, I mean, like, really powerfully precognitive. And I've got a number of examples in my book.

Starting point is 00:50:03 I love it. I, um, control, guys on the show, anybody, have you ever controlled your dreams? Have you ever reversed it, said, nah, I don't like the way that went and went a different direction? Like, almost like, directed your dreams? I've done that before. I'm like, okay, I don't like where this is going. This is my dream. Let's run it backwards and go a different way. You didn't even wake up. No, I was in my dream, no, dude, this is a dream, I'm not doing that. Let's go this way.

Starting point is 00:50:31 A few, it's rare because it usually falls apart under the weight of you kind of. What, like the actors walk off? They're like, we're like, we're the the the the worst director ever we're walking off call my agent and all the talking cats just leave they're like the ship's flying apart yeah I'm with you that's my experience as well it's like other people are like totally uncooperative in my lucid dreams is like yeah I'm like I kind of given up so so so talk to me about freeing your inner Kaiser Sosae.

Starting point is 00:51:06 I use Kaiser Sosa all the time. I have a Kaiser Sosae, you know, I think we all do. We're like, fuck it, burn the village, shoot the family, we're leaving, right? And it's like, you can have that in you and you have to learn to control that. But can I, can I take that energy that kind of just fills you up and use it for good, right? Is it, can we, can we be a positive Kaiser Sosae or do we just wreck shop in the future and just burn everything down? Like, how do we release our inner Kaiser Sosae?

Starting point is 00:51:38 Well, that, that aspect of Kaiser Soze was really not what I was supposed to say to me in the book. Yeah, it's like, I don't, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want that, that, that, that that that that that that that that, that that that that that that, can't, can, can, can, can, can that, can that, can that, can that, can that, can that, can that, can that, can that, can that, can that, can that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that th. that th. th. th. th. th. that that th. th. th. th. th. that th. thi. that that, that, that, that, can't that, can't that, can't that, can't that, can that, can't to say in the book. Yeah, it's like I don't you know I don't want people to go around being you know, you know violent underworld bosses like Kaiser Soze. But to explain, you know, to your viewers, the pre-cognitive dreaming, the experience of pre-cognitive dreaming always reminds me of the end of the usual suspects when, you know, suspects when you know here you know for two hours we've you know you've had this you know this kind of slubby you know guy with a limp you know verbal you know telling his story telling this amazing you know convoluted story to these police detectives and you know and he like at the end you, he shuffles out of the room and the police detectives just kind of sit around, wow, that was amazing.

Starting point is 00:52:27 And one of the detectives, like, he's just sitting there with his cup of coffee and he's kind of looking at things in the office, like all the, just object in the office, and the, just object on his partner's bulletin. Yeah, the newspaper. And the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, that, the, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that was, th. And, th. And, that was, that was, that was, th. And, th. was, th. was, th. was, th. was was was. was. was. was. was. was. was. was. was. was. was. And, th. was. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, the, the. And, the, was. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. one of these things in the office related to the story that he was just hearing and that verbal was just improvising. He was just sitting in the office telling this spinning this story, this wild crazy story about just improvising based on stuff stimuli in the office, like mundane little stimuli, like a little logo or whatever. And like, you know, they realized they've been duped by this guy.

Starting point is 00:53:09 And then on the street, you know, verbal kind of loses his limp and gets into the limo and like turns out he was Kaiser Soze all along. But that's kind of the experience of realizing that you've had a dream that was pre-cognitive. Because the dream inevitably will be this big, dramatic, surreal thing. And nine times out of 10, the experience that it was precognizing turns out to be something a lot more mundane. I mean, it usually involves some kind of upheaval in your life, but like it can be an upheaval like, you know, your sink backing up. That's an example I use in the book.

Starting point is 00:53:54 Something's something relatively minor, but it gets dramatized in a big way. And so it's kind of like this experience and like, oh my god, my dreaming brain was being sort of like Kaiser Soze in like, like telling this wild story about this, you know, relatively mundane event in my future. Yeah, I can get that dude. I can totally get that. You can get from what I'm understanding of what you're saying, you can get kind of fatalistic with this, right? Is there some room for change, hopefully,

Starting point is 00:54:30 like for people who have especially negative dreams? Because I can imagine this could be concerning if you're one of those people who has a lot of nightmares. Yeah, this is an anxiety that people that people have. And a lot of my new book is sort of devoted to this question and trying to put people's minds at ease about these questions of fate, free will, and so on. Because while I think that dreams do bring us information

Starting point is 00:54:55 about actual events or actual experiences we will have in our future, they do it in such an oblique and indirect way that we can very rarely use that information to, you know, it's like we're gonna have that experience one way or another. But the thing is, it's generally not bad. I mean, people often have nightmares and stuff a lot, and they think, oh my God, what is precognitive, all these terrible things are gonna happen? Well, it turns out that that nightmare

Starting point is 00:55:27 was symbolic of something actually good that happened. I mean, this happens to me all the time. I have dreams that seem terrifying or horrible, and wow, when the event comes to pass, and it's never clear enough that you can know how to avert it anyway, but when the event comes to pass, it's like, oh, that was actually really cool. You know, information gets distorted when it passes into the past.

Starting point is 00:55:55 And that's a, it's just a basic, it's just a basic feature of the dreaming brain. I think that this, it actually relates to the laws, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the laws, the laws, the laws, the laws, the laws, the laws, the laws, you, the laws, you, you, thas, tho, that, that, that, thus, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's that's, that, that, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, I mean I think that this it actually relates to the laws, you know, this is I talked about this a bit in the book, but there are kind of laws, you know, universe that includes time travelers. There are laws that sort of prevent a time traveler from preventing himself from going back in time, you know the famous grandfather paradox. I think that those laws are what are governing symbolism in our dreams, that we have, that events in our future are, we receive them symbolic in symbolic form. And in such a way that we actually wind up having the experiences that we were dreaming about.

Starting point is 00:56:44 So it sort of keeps the universe self-consistent. It's so interesting, man. So let's get into, like, I don't know if we've gotten into it yet. Dream space and dream time. Have you discussed that yet? Because, what is that exactly? Well, uh, dream, yeah, space is one of the reasons we're so bad at noticing precognition. And I think it probably relates to the reason why we're so bad at experiencing time as

Starting point is 00:57:20 anything but marching forward, is that somehow we're limited and how we can understand too many dimensions. So we like to reduce everything to space, all right? We like to think spatially about things. We like to think of events that have complex causal relationships. We like to collapse that time dimension and just think about things statically. And this habit of humans, I believe everywhere, is sort of to blame for why we don't understand precognition better. It's really, really hard to get wrap our heads around.

Starting point is 00:58:04 Even just linear causality. Okay, even just, just, you know, standard one, you know, billiard ball hitting another, you know, that, that kind of one-way linear causality. Even that, I mean, people have a hard time with causal relationships, you know, it's a, it's sort of an advanced reasoning skill, right? Well, you know, add retro causation in there, backwards causation and precognitions like, whoa, I mean, it just, it just fries our brains. And so we, so that chapter in my book called Dream Space and Dream Time is about the ways in which we turn time into space, okay, and how that sort of keeps us from seeing our precognitive ability.

Starting point is 00:58:46 But some of the interesting implications of that are, I think that that tendency helps explain why we're able to dream about events like exactly a year later. I mean, this is a very common phenomenon and I had noticed it in my own work and I started working with other pre-cognitive dreamers and they were doing it they were reporting the same thing that significant events they would dream about them exactly a year ahead of time or exactly multiple years ahead of time so there's some way in which they know knows what day it is all right really yeah and the thing is I thin. the things th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. th. thi. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. I the. the. I the. I the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. I the., yeah, and the thing is, I think there's an explanation for this. The hippocampus, which is sort of our brains kind of archivist or your librarian, it's very involved

Starting point is 00:59:36 in memory. It contains things that are called place cells, okay? And these cells contain our maps, our spatial maps of our environment, okay? And they did classic experiments on London cab drivers that showed that they had like very enlarged portion of their hippocampus because they had such a detailed map of London in their heads, you know? Well, it turns out we map our life experiences that unfold in time onto these place cells, okay? We're probably in time onto these place cells, okay? We're probably mapping them onto these place cells.

Starting point is 01:00:09 So we're probably putting our lived experience, our biographies, on to some mental map, a spatial map, okay? And that would help explain if we have like mental calendars, for instance, that are sort of spatial calendars of the year. That would help explain why somehow, even if, you know, I can't, I couldn't tell you what happened consciously, what happened like a year ago or five years ago on this date, nevertheless in our unconscious,

Starting point is 01:00:37 there is an aspect of our unconscious that knows that. And this is very familiar experience of, you know, gosh, I feel really sad today. And then I look at the calendar, oh, this is the day my, you know, dad died five years ago or whatever. And like it happens every year, you know, it's like, well, I think this explains why we also have dreams that are about significant events in our future on that same day of the year. And so, so yeah, so the spatialization of time helps explain some of the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features the features. the future the future the future the future the future the future. thiu thiatures. thiatures. thi day of the year. And so, so yeah, so the spatialization of time helps explain some of the features of dream precondition. Like, crazy. They have the same dream or the relatively the same,

Starting point is 01:01:15 like, theme dream on the same day. That's crazy, because what do you always hear like, time is a construct, right? Which I understand that, like, if you technically flew towards the sun? the the the the the tow.... the towards towards the towar, the the towar, the the the tow like, time is a construct, right? Which I understand that, like, if you technically flew towards the sun, wouldn't it be the same day, every day? Because there's no like movement of the sun and all that stuff. Yeah, I mean, it's different on planet,

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Starting point is 01:01:55 alarm is set to go up. All the time. All the time or like we're sometimes over the hey Johnny what time is it and you use like on the dot and you're like holy crap that's pretty impressive it's just I think we just our minds on it on a clock there's so many it's funny what you're talking about there's so many interrelated topics I'm curious is is do you adopt the traditional scientific view of deja vu, that it's, you know, synapses misfiring,

Starting point is 01:02:29 or do you, do you think, do you attribute some pre-cog abilities to that? Yeah, that's a great question. And I'm, I'm on the fence. I think there is plenty of evidence that you can, you know, circuits can misfire in your brain, and you can have an experience of familiarity around something that's, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you, you, you know, you know, you know, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, can, you know, circuits can misfire in your brain and you can have an experience of familiarity around something that's that's really not familiar. And you know, you know, you can, a brain surgeon can, you know, probe you in a certain way and you'll have a deja vu experience. So I think, yeah, that's always possibly an explanation, but I, I think,think yeah probably a lot of deja vu is is you know kind of not specifically remembering the dream but knowing you kind of

Starting point is 01:03:09 dreamed this you know so I suspect both I think I think both are probably going on this topic gets bought up a lot and you're like a doctor with studies dreams and stuff what do you think about sleep paralysis oh yeah yeah sleep paralysis is I'm fired today. Let's do it. Go on, sorry, sir. Yeah, um, okay, so I do talk about this in the book, and I've got certain ideas about it. I think, um, first of all, sleep paralysis is very scary. I'm, I'm, I was a sufferer very frequently when I was younger. It typically strikes people with their young adults. I was a sufferer very frequently when I was younger.

Starting point is 01:03:45 It typically strikes people with their young adults most heavily, although I've had it intermittently throughout my life. And once you learn what it is and once you learn not to be afraid of it, it's actually typically a doorway to lucid dreaming or to out-of-body experiences. It's like it's actually the precursor of those experiences. And once you kind of, once you learn not to be frightened of it, you can push through it. You can develop the skill of using it as a doorway to having like a really amazing lucid dream or whatever. So I think it's important for that reason. I, I have a, I have, I, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, I, I, it, it, it, I, it, the, the, the, the, it, the, the, the, the, it, the, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's actually, it's actually, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a the precurs. It's, it's, it's, it's a the, it's a the, it's a the, it's a the, it's a the, it's a the, it's a the, it's a the, it's a the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the pre-a, the pre-a, the pre-a, the pre-a, id dream or whatever. So I think it's important for that reason. I have a, and this is just kind of a hypothesis based on some of my own experiences.

Starting point is 01:04:34 I don't, I haven't been able to correlate it with other people yet, but it's a hypothesis anyway, that that sleep process is really a kind of precognitive, lucid dream, where we're just precognizing being awake and bed, like five minutes later, okay? And it's kind of like a closed circuit video feed to just our awake self in like a minute, or two minutes or five minutes. But, and, because we're lucid, we think we should be able to move. You know, it's like, oh, I'm awake, I'm awake, I'm a th, I th, I th, I'm th, I'm that, I'm that, I'm that, I'm that, I'm like, I'm like, I'm a that, I'm just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just that, I'm a that, I'm like, I'm that, I'm a that, I'm like, I'm that, I'm that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I that, I'm a that, I'm a that, I'm a that, I'm a that, I'm a that, But and because we're lucid we think we

Starting point is 01:05:06 should be able to move. You know it's like oh I'm awake I should be able to move but you can't and that that's what is so terrifying about it. I often compare it to you know the film being John Malkovich, okay, where he's like, you know goes into the vessel body of John Malcovich and and you know he learns to control the body. but the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th by th th th th by th. th th. But th. But th. But th. But th. But th. But th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. We should thi. We should thi, th. We should should should should should should should should th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi. We's thi. We's thi. We's thi. We's thi. I thi's thi. We's thi's thi's thi's th vessel body of John Malkovich. And, and, you know, he learns to control the body, but until, but his first time, he's just like looking through the eyes of John Malkovich, you know, I think it's like, I think I suspect, and I can't prove this,

Starting point is 01:05:36 but I suspect that that's what is going on with sleep thrown the tellis. We th... We we we we we we we we we're th. We we're. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're thi. We're thi. We're thi. We're thi. We're looking. We're looking. We're looking. the. the. the. thean. thean. the. thi. We're looking. that. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. We're thi. We're thi. We're thi. We're thi. We're thi. We're thi.. We're thi. And thi. And thi. And thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. the the thean. the the the the the the their their their their the future, like literally a few seconds or a few minutes and we're unable to move and this terrific, our amygdala goes crazy because we like, holy cow I'm being pinned down, I'm being imprisoned or whatever. So that's why I'm so frightening. But that's, that's my hunch. So, you know, we've done shows early on in this show about giant events, giant events that happen in our society, culturally, internationally, like I'll say like 9-11, right? There is, there's been talk of the ripple effect through time, that it's such a giant event in humanity

Starting point is 01:06:30 that it actually does ripple through time. And that's why you see stuff like in a, you know, back to the future references to 9-11, and the other pop culture events where we see what seems to be a straight up reference to 9-11, whether it's the Simpsonsons and the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the things, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the same..., the the the the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. the same. thininin. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. the other pop culture events where we see what seems to be a straight-up reference to 9-11, whether it's the Simpsons and stuff like that. So when you say that our thoughts influence our past, how does that happen? How does it influence our memory of the past or does it go back and have influenced the past? So those kinds of examples, I mean, one of the things I mentioned earlier is that like it's not just

Starting point is 01:07:12 dreams that where we can detect the future influencing us in the present, but it's also art, any kind of creativity. So whether it's writing or making films or music or you know anything. There's so much evidence of this. In fact, it's sort of the could be the topic of my next book, I hope. But so all those examples that you mentioned, you know, I don't think it's the 9-11 rippling back in time. I think it's, you know, everyone who was alive on 9-11 and watching CNN was like powerfully impacted by that event. And that experience rippled back in the, you know, the four-dimensional, you know, higher-dimensional minds of artists everywhere. There's so many examples of this.

Starting point is 01:08:07 And that includes scriptwriters and that includes filmmakers. And so yeah, it crops up again and again and again. There's so many examples of 9-11 prophecies, so-called. But I think that, I think it operates via precognition. You know, we learn about, you know, just the same way we learn about past events. You know, we don't, you know, I didn't directly experience, civil war. Water, the Watergate, for instance, you know,

Starting point is 01:08:34 but I learned about in my life from things I read, you know, whatever, I've had a lot of experiences that, you know, watching all the President presidents man, whatever. So I know about Watergate and I can form an image of it in my head, you know, even though I wasn't there, you know, same way in the future, you know, like, you know, most of us, thank God, weren't at, you know, ground zero in New York on that day, but we all watched it happen on CNN. And that was a big event in our lives. And so we had dreams about it. I would bet, you know, there's no way to prove this,

Starting point is 01:09:10 but I would bet that every single American adult, you know, on the morning before 9-11 had dreams related to that, you know, that they just didn't remember or didn't identify, you know, or recognize, you know, most people don't record their dreams at all. But yeah, I think that's how that works, what you're talking about. It's not the event, the event somehow rippling through space-time. It's that it's rippling through our own biogyns.

Starting point is 01:09:36 Essentially. Is that what you're saying, like, our own consciousness? Is it an energy thing? It's a sound wave? Like, how does it ripple? Is it? Yeah, that's, okay, that's the, that's the open question. And that's what I think we're waiting for the insights of probably quantum biology is probably going to solve this problem. I'm hoping in the next, you know, couple decades that we'll have some better insights about how this might work. There's, I, I, I, I do th a, I do that it that it that it that it's that it's that it's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's going, that's going, that's going, that's going that's going that's going that's going that's going that's going that's going that's going that's going that's going that's going that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that will have some better insights about how this might work. There's, I do have a hunch that it's gonna involve these little molecular structures inside cells, and especially inside neurons,

Starting point is 01:10:18 that are called microtubules. And these have been, a lot of, researchers think that they are, these are possibly molecular, biological quantum computers, okay? And they've been people who are looking for the secrets of consciousness, namely Stuart Hammeroff and Roger Penrose, the physicist. They think that microtubules are the answer to consciousness somehow. I'm not sure about the consciousness part, but I think that microtubules might be the key to precognition. Because microtubules, among other duties in neurons, is that they, is they're responsible for reshaping synapses, okay? And the problem, what learning is in the brain and memory is just the strengthening of new synapses when they're fired or the weakening of old ones that aren't being used, okay?

Starting point is 01:11:09 And that's sort of the brain's synaptic connections are constantly being reshaped. And this is what's, I think, going on at night when we're forming new memories in our dreams, is that new experiences are getting connected to other experiences, and new connections are being strengthened. And that's microtubules, they're doing that. So if microtubules are quantum computers that are able to respond to their future,

Starting point is 01:11:33 okay, even if it's just 10 minutes into their future or less, I mean, there's trillions, you know, hundreds of trillions of these at the brain, and they're, and if they're, if they're, if they're, if they're, if they're, if they're, if they're, if they're, if they're, if they're, if they're, if they're, if they're, if they're, if they're, if they're, if they're, if they're, if they're, if they're, if they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, their, their, their, their, their, to, to, their, their, thea, their, their, their, their, their, their, the and if they're if they're somehow able to to funnel information from the cells that cells future or that gender rights future into the past then on the brain level of hundreds of trillions of synaptic connections always constantly being reshaped. I think I suspect that that's going to be the answer to how information, you know, a powerful experience like watching, you know, 9-11 happen on, you know, on CNN, you know, could, you know, influence our, our prior experience,

Starting point is 01:12:19 or the dreams the night before, or dreams a year before, or five years before. I suspect, that's my hunch. Hey, dude. I like, you know, we, you. We, you. We, you. We, you. We, you. We, you. We, you. We, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, the, the, the, the, the, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, a, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the night before or dreams a year before or five years before. I suspect that's my hunch. Hey dude, I like you. You know, we need to wait. I like it. I think it were just, I think the human body, the human mind, the human consciousness, the human soul is so much more complex. And you know, I hear a lot of the, oh man, a problem with America, we're losing religion. I think th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that that that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, th. And, th. And, th. And, that's, that's, that's th. And, that's that's that's th. And, that's that's thi. And, that's that's that's thi. And, that's that's that's thi. And, that's man, a problem with America, we're losing religion. I think we're losing religion, but we're gaining spirituality.

Starting point is 01:12:49 I think we're getting away from organized religion. I think we're getting into personal spirituality, and I see it more and more all over the place, and as we enter into that world, okay, we start asking more questions along the lines of what we're talking about here today. Is like what is whatever create us wherever we are, wherever we are, I mean how complex is this machine we call the human body and its effect on the human experience and what we are in the universe and it's just like and if it's so complex can it deal with something today and yesterday and in the future and all that stuff which brings us to time traveling right like what how can we become time travelers into the best versions of

Starting point is 01:13:42 our reality how can we do that like how can we come a time traveler I'm down with that I want time travel. Yeah I mean too. to to to too too too to too too too too too too to too too too to to too too too to to to too too too to to the the the the the the the the thex complex thex complex thex complex thex complex thex complex thex complex thex complex thexxxxx. thexxxxx. thexxxxxxxx. thexxxx complex thex complex thex complex thex complex the best versions of our reality. How can we do that? Like, how can we come a time travel? I'm down with that. I want a time travel. Yeah, me too. Totally. Well, there are different, there are different ways to achieve time travel. And I think it's going to happen incrementally. The first stage towards time travel is going to be kind of an intermediate stage. I think it it's th in th in th in th in th in th in th in th in th in th in th in th in th in th in th in the, thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thea thea thea thea thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, tom, tom, thea tom, tom, thea thea thea thea, thea thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, the is going to be kind of an intermediate stage. I think it's going to involve quantum computers, for what we now call quantum computers. I suspect that given what we're now seeing with quantum computing that you can, like I said, you can reverse the causal order in a quantum computer. I think these devices are gonna be much more

Starting point is 01:14:17 than just number crunchers. They're gonna be precognitive circuits, you know. So imagine, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the their, their, they, they, they, thi, thi, thi... the. the. thea. thea. thea. thea, given, given, given what thi, given what thi, given what thi, for instance, you have a little quantum computer that controls the airbag in your car, all right? And it is, it's set to, and it can deploy a second before a collision. Okay. Imagine how useful that kind of thing is going to be, you know, in safety devices and medical devices and everything else. It's going to transform our world. And I suspect that's what quantum computing, you know, is really going to turn out to be. So with a quantum computer, you know, theoretically, imagine, you know, you have a quantum computer and you leave it plugged in for a hundred years. And you sit down at your quantum computer on the keyboard and display on the first day that it's plugged in, and you get a message. And you know, hey, this is, this is, you know, Joe in the year, you know, you know, 21, and,

Starting point is 01:15:17 how's it going? You know, it's like, theoretically, theoretically with a quantum computer, you could, you could send messages backward and forward in time. Oh my God. Can't set objects, okay, yet. Although, here's another thing you could do with a quantum computer that's last 100 years, say you could attach, you know, as one of your peripherals, you could have a 3D printer. Okay?

Starting point is 01:15:43 And you could, your 22nd century colleague, you know, sitting at the computer in 100 years, could send you the information to print out, you know, like a drone or something, you know, in the 21st century. And then so you could, so, so a user could theoretically send instructions to create something in the past, you know, using something like a 3D printer or whatever. And there's, there is actually a technique in quantum computing called quantum teleportation. I mean, you can theoretically teleport things across great distances, but also theoretically backward

Starting point is 01:16:24 and forward in time. So, so there's that, all right? There's that, that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea idea that idea idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that that that that thi something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something something thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi something something something something something something something something something something something something something, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that that that that that that that that that that idea, that idea, that idea, that idea, that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that idea that that that that that that that that that that theoretically backward and forward in time. So there's that, all right? There's that idea that quantum computers may enable us to connect. Now, I sort of use a kind of science fictional story there. I think it's going to be a lot more complicated than that. I don't think messages from the future are ever going to be completely clear. I think there's a lot of reasons why, and they go back to those symbolism principles that I was talking about earlier,

Starting point is 01:16:48 I think that communication across time is gonna be garbled. It's gonna be, you know, there's gonna be a lot of obstacles to it, but nevertheless, the basic principle I think is gonna apply. Now, beyond that, though, there's wormholes, okay? I mean, theoretically, you know, a civilization that's way, you know, way more advanced than we are now could, you know, really reshape the fabric of space time and create wormholes that are go both across space but also into the past, all right?

Starting point is 01:17:21 And so that would allow then physical time travel. And who knows, maybe, you know, I think, I th, th, thi, thi thi, thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, you know, you know, thi, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you tho, you tho, you tho, you tho, you the, you the, you, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you'll, you'll, th. th. thi. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the, the. the. thean, thean, thean, thean, thean. thean. thean. theooooooo. thea. the. that would allow then physical time travel. And who knows, maybe, you know, I think probably quantum computing and all the things it's gonna allow will probably accelerate that technological revolution. You know, it'll probably, you know, enable us to then build wormholes and things like that, you know, farther off in the future. So there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's thi there's thi, thi, thi, th. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thus. thus. thus. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that. to. too. too. too. too. toe. to. to. to. to. to. that that. that. that. that. that, that. that. So there's all kinds of possibilities. You know, some people think that UFOs are actually,

Starting point is 01:17:49 are our descendants in our future. And that those are like little timeships. That somehow their hulls can manipulate the space time continuum and that they can, you know, they don't need a wormhole, that they just, they can travel through time the same way, you know, we would travel through space in an airplane. So there's a lot of possibilities ahead of us. So I think that, yeah, I think we're going to be a time-faring species. Eventually, if we survive, we have to survive, thu thu thu thu thu a thu. survive this century first. That's a, seems like a big challenge. We can do it!

Starting point is 01:18:26 So doctor, you got a couple books as we wrap this up. You got a couple books. Tell us, uh, tell us a, I want two things. Tell us your different books, but before you get into, uh, your book on dreams, is there any one story that kind of stands out about a particular dream that was very vivid or someone who had a dream and it was like, and then like a day later it played out like that. Is there any one story that stands out compared to the other, some of the past?

Starting point is 01:18:56 Oh, there's, God, there's so many. I mean, there's one that it's like so mind-blowing, but it takes forever to tell. I don't have time to tell it right now. But, well, OK, the same dreamer, one of the precogs that I work with, and whose dreams appear throughout the book, she noticed sort of by accident. She's been a dream worker for many years and she has very detailed dream journals. And she noticed last, you know, last year, about a year ago, she noticed that she had a cluster of dreams in 2017, in the spring of 2017,

Starting point is 01:19:42 that all related to her experiences at the beginning of the lockdown, okay, of the pandemic. okay, okay? So she had a whole cu-cluse the cu tu. the th, thrunene, thr- thr-d, thr-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-n-nosed-nosed-nosed-notu, thrube, thrube, thrube, thrube, thrown, thrown, their, throwne, thrube, thrown, th dream, th dream, th dream, th dream, th dream, th dream, th dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream dream, thr-d, thr-d, thr-d, thru, thru, thru, thru-d, thru-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-d-c-a, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, the thrown, thr-de, throwne, thr-n 2017, that all related to her experiences at the beginning of the lockdown, okay, of the pandemic. Okay, so she had a whole cluster of dreams that were like all about the things that she was doing and things in her family and so on, during the late, the weeks of late March, early April, when we were all, you know, so much stress and uncertainty and so on. she was having the the the the the the thiiiiiiiiiiiiii, like thi, like thi, like thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. thi. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. that, that, that, too, too, too, too. tooooo too too too too too too too theean. thea. thea, the so much stress and uncertainty and so on.

Starting point is 01:20:05 And she was having dreams about these experiences. They were all like exactly three years later and one of them. I'll just give you one of them. She woke up from a dream and this was on, I believe it was April 12th of 2017. Okay. I might have the exact date wrong. But anyway, she woke up, uh, from this dream. And it was like, the very, they, they, the, the, the, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, th. th. th. th. th. thi was like, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, right, right, right, right, right, they were, they were, th. And, they were, they were, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. threateeeeea. threat. th. th. th. threat. th. th. th. threat. th. th. threat. th. th she woke up from the stream, and it was like there were very certain sequence of images, which she wrote down, and she had a snippet of a song lyric in her head, and the lyric was, ain't done nothing since I woke up today.

Starting point is 01:20:41 And so she wrote it down, and that then that lyric was familiar to her. And she looked it up online and it's like it was a line from the John Prime song, Angel from Montgomery. Oh, that's a great song. And yeah, oh my god, it's an awesome song. And she real, and then she read the rest of the lyrics and it's like, oh, every single like image in her dream was from the first verse of that song. Oh, my god. So she had a dream about that song, but here's the thing. Three years later, on that day, the top news story was the death of John Pryne. He was the first celebrity death from COVID. Oh my God, on that day. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. And in fact in all the news stories it had been noted that he had been honored at the

Starting point is 01:21:35 Grammy Awards a couple months previous and that I think Bonnie Rait had sung Angel from Montgomery, you know, in his honor at the Grammy Awards. So, you know, there again, there's this phenomenon where like sort of big news events or big events in your own life, you'll tend to dream about them exactly, you know, maybe multiple years beforehand. I've, you know, I've had this experience on many occasions that I've got a few examples in my books, both of my books. She knows, notice is this happening all her, all the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, it, it, it's, it's th, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi's thi's phenomenon, it's phenomenon is thi's phenomenon is thi's phenomenon is thi's phenomenon is thi's phenomenon is thi's this phenomenon is this phenomenon is thi's phenomenon is this phenomenon is this phenomenon is this phenomenon, it's phenomenon, it's phenomenon, it's phenomenon, it's phenomenon, it's phenomenon, it's phenomenon, it's phenomenon, it's phenomenon, it's phenomenon, it's phenomenon, it's phenomenon, it's phenomenon, it's phenomenon, it's phenomenon, it's phenomenon, it's phenomenon, it's phenomenon, it's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's theeeateateateateate is theateat's the is theat's theate is thi's thi's phenomenon is thi's phenomenon occasions that I've got a few examples in my books, both of my books. She knows as notice is this happening all her all the time. I mean the main, there's a whole chapter in her, in the book about a dream, series of dreams she had in college about the

Starting point is 01:22:19 death of a person she'd known in second grade that she found out about three decades later. So, you know, dreams are bringing us information about our, not only our near future, but our distant future. I just want to get to one thing real quick before we go. The, you mentioned earlier, and I don't know if you said this with intent, you said that every adult in America likely had a dream about 9-11 before, the day before, are you, were you making a distinction there between adults and children?

Starting point is 01:22:54 Did children, uh, did children, uh, children don't always know what's going on the news? The point is, what, no, no, no, no, I meant was the question is this, do children experience these dreams and are any differently than adults? Do they have a higher ratio possibly of pre-cognitive dreams? Because you know, there's this thought that the veil between the mystical and the world we live in is a little thinner for children. And I'm curious if that applies here.

Starting point is 01:23:20 It's not about a veil. It's just about getting it socialized out of you in the course of your development. No, not to share, you know, dreams that come true because most people are, you know, I was like, don't want to hear that. And I think we're trained, we're all trained to kind of not notice that stuff. And that's why kids, you know, we'll experience this stuff and report it and all that, and most. And. And. And, and most th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. to, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, to. to. to But yeah, I mean, I have never studied the question of scientifically. I don't, I can't tell you a ratio, but I know my own daughter, you know, has pre-cognitive dreams. And I don't, I don't even encourage that. I'm try, consciously try not to, like, you know, bury her with her own preoccupations. I'm with, but yeah she doesn't put my shit on them I do that men women who are is one sex tend to be better at this than

Starting point is 01:24:13 the other more open-minded to it you know to the thoughts of dream works and stuff like that yeah well it's you'll I think in the literature, you'll see a lot more examples from women. And there's, because historically in our culture, women, men tend to be very socialized against, you know, anything irrational or supernatural or whatever. So it's kind of been a cultural role that, a cultural role that men just do not go there. There's a British writer named J.B. Priestley back in the 60s. He solicited people to send him their precognitive dreams for a TV show that he was going to do on the subject.

Starting point is 01:25:01 And he got like 1,500 letters from people all around Britain. And almost all of these precognitive dreams were from, most of them from women. And they almost always said, like no one will take me seriously. My husband tells me not to pay attention to it because that's rational or whatever. So there's this kind of no nonsense stereotype, you know, certainly in British in British, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and, and most, thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and the thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, throoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomomoomoom. and most, and most, and most, certainly in British culture in the 60s. And I don't think it's that much different today,

Starting point is 01:25:26 although I think it's a little different. It's not as stark the difference. But both men and women have pre-cognitive dreams. Like I said, I think it's basic to our cognitive functioning. But probably historically, women have maybe been paid more attention to it. Or been more allowed to pay attention to it. That's my hunch. I love it man.

Starting point is 01:25:50 I think this has been a wonderful discussion. You've got two books, sir. One is called Precognitive Dreamwork and the Long Self and the other one is time loops. Real quick, quick understand what each book is about as we go out. Sure, well the new book, Precognitive Dreamwork and the Long Self is what we've been talking about the whole hour. It's about how you can get in toucest with your dream precoognition. It's got a lot of examples of dream precognition, some mind-blowing examples. What my first book is called time-lopopopopop, the the the thionionionionionionion loop, thi loop, thioom, the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, thi, thi, and thi, thi, th, and th, th, and th, th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and the the the the thi, and the the the the the the the thi, and the the the thi, and the the, the theoli, the the theoli, the the the theolouiologuuu.oomomoomorrow, and the, the, the, the, My first book is called Time Loops, and it's more general about the subject of precognition

Starting point is 01:26:29 and the physics of retrocausation that would allow it to happen. There are a couple chapters in there also touching on dreams. There's also some biographical chapters about people for whom precognition was very powerful in their lives. The writer Philip K. Dick, who, you know, a lot of your viewers may be familiar with, you know, he was famously highly precognitive and he was constantly recording these dreams and his stories turned out to be pre-cognitive things in his life. So it's sort of a, it's a more general book about the topic.

Starting point is 01:27:04 But after I published it, I started getting gettingundated with emails from people sharing their dreams with me and that's what told me, okay, there needs to be a book that's specifically on dreams and that's sort of a practical guide that people can just hit the ground running and start experiencing this in their own lives. Final question, if they're, if people want to do this but they can't remember their dreams, do you guys ever have that problem? You don't remember your dreams? Is there something you could do to, you know, help you remember your dreams? Is it like Tabasco sauce or something like that that helps you remember?

Starting point is 01:27:40 Because I can be honest, I don't remember a lot of my dreams. Well, it's, yeah, a lot of people tend not to, but the thing is even just putting a notebook and a pen by your bed side before you go to bed, that will often prime the pump. I mean, that, it acts like setting an intention, and you'll start remembering them. And you'll start remembering them. It's just, you know, if in your life you're just, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, in, if, in, in, in, if, th, in, if, in, the, i, if, i, i, in, in, if, i, if, if, i, if, if, if, if, the, th. thi, thi, the, i, i, i, if, if, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, you know, if in your life you're just like bouncing out of bed, you know, and starting the day running, like, you know, like my wife tends to do, you know, you'll tend not to remember as many dreams, but if you make a habit, sort of laying in bed, hitting the snooze button, letting yourself that hypnopuptic state in the early morning when you're kind of, you're kind of in and out of sleep, especially if you're hitting the snooze button. That's very rich for dreaming. It also helps you kind of remember the dreams that you've had.

Starting point is 01:28:30 So there's that kind of just being a little slower about starting the day, building in some time if you need to, to record your dreams, so you're not feeling rushed. A lot of people, you know, if you have kids, they're, you know, screaming and, you know, and you need your late for work, it's very hard to do. But if you can, on weekends or whenever you can build a little space to kind of lay in bed in the morning and kind of think about your dreams. That's the number one thing. There are also a lot of supplements you can take to, to help dream know dream recall that helps sleep and so on and just get online just you know Google it you'll find you know a lot of examples of this.

Starting point is 01:29:09 Well man wonderful episode I had a great time this is something I love man interpreting dreams and understanding your dreams and all that stuff so thank you so much he's Dr. Eric Wargo thank you so much for coming on if you want to find any of his stuff, I will link all of his blogs where you can get his books. Again, his website blog is the Night Shirt.com, so go check that out. And thank you so much for coming out, man. I really appreciate it. Thank you for having me. This has been delightful. It's been a good time and we'll do it again soon. Next time you got a book out or you got something else you want to talk about

Starting point is 01:29:46 Don't hesitate to hit us up. We'll do it again soon thank you guys so much for tuin. We love you very much swarm and I hope to see you in Phoenix This weekend. If not the following weekend in Indianapolis. We will talk to you soon. Take care We go deep home boy Aaron. Open your mind. You're going to drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron.

Starting point is 01:30:20 This is only the beginning. You just move my mind. Tim foil hack.

Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #444: Dreams, Time Travel and Precognitive Wormholes with Dr. Eric Wargo

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