Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #463: Astronism, Space and the Future of Humanity with Cometan (Bonus Episode)

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Starting point is 00:04:37 see this wonderful place that we live in. And I'm very excited about this young gentleman. He is a British philosopher who at 15 years old founded his own philosophy slash belief system. Okay, I'm very excited to have them. Please welcome to the show. Comey ten. How are you? And well, thank you. Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here and to tell you a little bit of astronism. Astroism. Asterism. Asterism. th- th- thianism, th-I-I- th-I-I-I, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, I I I I I I th, th, I th, I thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thiiiiiiii. thiiii. I'm thi, thi, tell you a little bit of astronism. Astroism, astronism, I'm very excited about this. This is very interesting. You

Starting point is 00:05:13 started your own belief system which is a very interesting term. At 15. At 15. What were you doing at 15? Yes. Play my dick. You are probably trying to sneak into the country. Is that what we're doing? Yeah. What were you doing? Johnny, Johnny, a lot of 15. I actually had a smoking hot girlfriend at 15. Yeah. Really? Oh Johnny. Always with the girlfriend. No, what was I doing? Like baseball? A lot of baseball. Baseball all the time. So this gentleman started zone. For those who don't know you, can, you. you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th th th th th th th th th th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th. What were th. What were th. What were th. What were th. What were th. What were th. What were th. What were th. What th. What th. What th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. What were thi. What were thi. What were that that to to that to that that that that that that that thi thi thi thi, thi. What all the time. So this gentleman started, so for those who don't know you, can you tell us a little bit about yourself? Yes, so of course I'm British, and really, from, as you've just said, from the age of 15, I've been on this sort of journey really, understands our place in the universe, really. I've always been very religious, you could say, grew up in a very family, but again,

Starting point is 00:06:13 didn't really relate to Catholicism very much. I can still sort of identify with it, but, um, it to some ways, but I always love the stars. I've always loved the astronomical world and, and, uh, and, uh, uh, and, uh, the the the the the the the the the th..... th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the ways but I always love the stars I've always loved the astronomical world and from the age of 15 I really had this connection to the stars that that no one else around you have and so that kind of has developed into the development of different beliefs that I have and of course that has developed into astronism today. I'm currently doing my PhD at a university nearby here in the UK on freedom of religion and human rights. So I've sort of moved into another area there but my main sort of interest of course is asstronism and it probably always will be.

Starting point is 00:07:09 So you now you're saying this is a philosophy let's say is it a religion? You say a belief system what that what exactly does that mean? Well a belief system in term we use really, sort of more broader term. It's more, you could say particularly correct, it's a little bit less. It's obviously got such connotable, most of them quite bad sometimes. So we kind of use the word belief system as a sort of all-rounder, it sort of includes religion and philosophy usually.

Starting point is 00:07:47 So I like to use that quite a lot because I think astronism is a religion and it is also a philosophy at the same time. It's not just one of those things. But yeah, it does have religious aspects and it does have philosophical aspects. Hopefully today we can explore some of those. I do have just a short presentation on it if you allow me to go through that if you wish. It's on to you. I do. Before we get into that, I mean you can go and do whatever you want.

Starting point is 00:08:17 I'm excited to hear it of course. My question to you is, so are you a cult? Are you a cult leader? Do you rule the iron fist? Do you have a harem of enlightened ladies around you? Like, what is this? What is this? Yeah, okay. That's probably one of the main, probably misconceptions, but at the same time, what, the same time? What, what, uh, what you're a, what, what, what, the same tie? the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the c... the c. the c. the cut, the cu, the cu? Are, the cu? Are, the cu? Are, the cu? Are, are, are, th. the cu, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the cu, are, are, are, are, are, are, the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the c. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the cu? the th. the the the tolu. the tole, the the tole, the the tole, tole, tole, tolu. tolu. tolu. tole, tole, tol. That's probably one of the main, probably misconceptions, but at the same time, you know, I do sort of think about that quite a lot.

Starting point is 00:08:52 You know, is this a cult? I do think about that. Knowing the sense that I don't really, um, sort of, I have people around me, of course, who share my ideas and beliefs and we have philosophical debates with one another and you know, we're very close in how we see the world and things like that, but it's not definitely not a cult in the sense of that I'm controlling anyone. I'm just, it's just basically a way for people who are like-minded to sort of engage on these topics that aren't discussed in the mainstream essentially. These are topics that, you know, like salvation in space, things like that. That's not on the mainstream news,

Starting point is 00:09:38 so we have to talk about it together and astronism is just a formalizing of that, a sort of identity if you will. So we call ourselves astronists. So we have like an identity together and of course, you know, I'm the main person at the moment who's the sort of face of this, but there are other people, you know, there are other people who are involved and they've been involved longer you know, there are other people who are involved and they've been involved longer than me to some degree.

Starting point is 00:10:09 In the sense of, you know, they've been exploring space philosophically for decades, you know, I'm quite new to it in that sense, but I'm, I've just made it into a belief system, I've sort of formalized it. I've made it, you know, into a identity like a Christian would be, we are an astronist, so I think that's what I'm bringing to the table essentially. Okay, I like that. I like that. I'd like to do you have any plans of making love to your followers' wives? Because that seems to be at some point that's what every cult leader does. Okay so that that that that that that that means that means that means that means that means that means that means that means that means that means that means that means that means that means that means that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th is th is th is th is the the the the the the the the the the they. the the the the the the the leader does. Okay, so that means you're not a cult. I had to ask a question. So you're 15 and you're like, I sense there's something out there.

Starting point is 00:10:53 I have a real strong intuition about these things. And I understand intuition. It's a big part of how I operate and I have a lot of trust in my intuition. I go, I get these feelings that this is happening. I've talked to psychics before I go, this is how I play it out in my head. I let it play out and psychics go, that's what they do. They play out scenarios in their head. They start from a moment with all the information you head with the variables all. At 15 years old, what got the ball rolling?

Starting point is 00:11:26 Like, did you go to your parents? Did you have that cool teacher that was like, I believe in you, bro, and he'd play guitar while you talked about a space. Was there anything like that? No, it was much more internal. It was much more, um, I sort of went off into my own world in a way. It was not, I didn't engage with other people with this for quite a few years up until maybe just a couple

Starting point is 00:11:53 of years ago. I'm 23 now so, yeah, only from sort of age 20 really, I've really just started to talk about these types of things. But no but I went very sort of introspective. I went very internal to myself and started to really it's kind of like a similar story to other people. I just didn't find a connection to other religions. I just didn't, I do believe in philosophy and religion in the sense of I think people need something to believe in. They need a system to believe in. They need a system to associate themselves with. Most people do anyway.

Starting point is 00:12:36 Um, and I'm one of those people and I just didn't feel like any other religion really suited me. Um, and that's really where it came from. And then as time went on, I began to start writing my ideas down and then when I started to do that That's when things really started to Go crazy where you know I could write sort of thousands of words per day and I just sort of went into this this really deep in a way like a rabbit hole, you and I just sort of went into this really deep in a way like a rabbit hole you know and just sort of went into my own world really and kind of block myself off from the rest of the world in the sense of you know I had quite a

Starting point is 00:13:18 few friends before doing this and I had quite a you know like a normal teenage life and then really kind of just sort of blocked that all out to try and focus on what this astronism is. I didn't know what it was. I, you know, I didn't, I'd thought of this word, but I didn't know what astruism was back then, sort of six years ago, you know, and so, I don't know, I don't, I just, I just, I really, I really, I really, I really, I really, I really, I really, I just, I really, I really, I just, I really, I just, I really, I just, I really, I really, I just, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th., th., th. thr-. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, thr, I just, it just felt very natural, it just felt very no more for me to do that. I don't know. I don't, I really, I'm still trying to figure it out myself, I love it. But by the end of that, by the end of that sort of, sort of six years really,

Starting point is 00:14:02 I created the book called the Omidoxy, which is sort of the main book of Astranism at the moment. I am writing another one right now, but that's the main one that's out there. And that's just, I mean, even when I read it, I think, I mean, even when I read it, I think, did I even write this? You know, I even, when sometimes I read it, you know, I just think, God, this is just crazy some of the stuff in here with writing about. It doesn't even, honestly, honestly, it really is like that. And some of the words that I use, I honestly, that's, I wasn't on a podcast last week and I just had to once answer honestly and just say, I really don't know where this has all come from, honestly. And of course, you know, my family have been around me during this time, of course. They're interested in it to some degree, but people think I'm a little bit weird, you know. I think that's why I've gravitated to these people who, these other philosophers, who also think in a similar way to me,

Starting point is 00:15:07 just to get that kind of connection with them, do you know what I mean? Because the everyday person isn't thinking about yes. The future, what's going to happen in a thousand years to humanity in space, you know, we're not thinking about that. So I had, I sort of naturally gravitated towards these other people. And we now have started to call ourselves astranists. So yeah, it's a bit of strange story. No, I'm a year in the right place for strange stories.

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Starting point is 00:17:38 Your parents are, they're okay with it. Um, they're like when you go to social functions, I'm like, well, and this is my profits on. He's just, he's in the face. He lost it. I don't really know what to say really, honestly. I think people, again, they're interested in it and I think, I think they look at it in their own time, but they don't talk to me about it Because they mentioned words that I've that I've written and I just they sort of mentioned in conversations

Starting point is 00:18:13 And I think well, how have you have you come across that so they must be reading things in their own time, you know, but I don't think my grandmother would have approved of it because she was a strict Roman Catholic and but she had a very influential role in my life bringing up. We were very, very deep Catholic, you know, Latin Mass, every week. She was, I wouldn't say it was like a cult, but it was borderline. It was going towards that, you know, so I've been in that kind kind of environment before. I've been in the environment where questions can't be asked. I've been in that environment and it's not what I believe in. I don't believe that questions shouldn't be asked. I believe that always questions should be asked. I agree.

Starting point is 00:19:10 So I think that is also a big reason why I wanted to found my own belief system because again, I was just really dissatisfied with what other belief systems were teaching and preaching really so that's the crux of it I suppose. And I love that. Now you obviously were talking about talking to people who thinks similar to you, you know, you're vibing with your tribe. How how many, um, I don't want to say followers but how, you're the followers, you know,'re vibing with your tribe. How, how many, I don't want to say followers, but how many people are participating in your beliefs?

Starting point is 00:19:54 Well, it's a very difficult question to answer actually. We can really, it's, you can look at it in a very broad way. So asronism's worldview is what we call cosmocentrism. Essentially, that just means that you, if you believe in cosmocentrism, then you just, you have a focus on outer space, essentially that your beliefs, what you believe about life, the world, human history, it revolves around outer space and that's where

Starting point is 00:20:26 you believe the future is going to go. So in that sense, the number of astronists increased dramatically. I would say the very core, core amount of astronists who are really involved on a day-to-day basis is probably just a few thousand at this stage, which I still think is quite good really. Those are people who actually philosophers, who are class as philosophers or people who are contributing to astranism, people who've emailed me with ideas about what they think about astranism, you know, or maybe even more than just a few thousand, because I've been doing this quite, I've been doing this for eight years. So, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thooooooooooooo. thi. thi. Those, thi, thi, thi, th. than that, maybe more than just a few thousand, because I've been doing this quite, I've been doing this for eight years, so, you know, people have come and gone. Sometimes I hear from one person and they never hear from them again, you know, but I think

Starting point is 00:21:15 there's probably millions of people in the world, definitely, who think in this similar way, who believe in out of space as, you know, holding the ability to get humanity to a high condition, you could say. You know, I think there's probably a lot of people who believe that. They've just not tied that to a belief system yet. They've just not associated that with their identity, if you know what I mean. Okay, I'm interested. So let's, let's get into it. You have, you have, you. You. You. You have, you. You have, you. You have, you. You have a, you. You have a the, you. You have a, you. You have a the, you have, you have a the, you have a the, you have, you have, you have, you know, you have, you have, you know, you have, you have, you have, you have, you. You. the, you're the, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you. the, you. the, you. the, you. the, you. the, you. the, you. the, you. the, you. the, you. the, you. the, you. the, you. the, you. the, you. the, you. the, you. the, you. the, you. the, you. the, you. the, you. the, you th. the, you know, th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. associated that with their identity, if you know what I mean. Okay, I'm interested. So let's let's get into it. You have you say you have a presentation. We'd love to hear your presentation. Yeah, and you know, if you have questions, just stop me and I'll answer anything that you wish. Can you see that? Yes, we can. We really like it. It looks good.

Starting point is 00:22:07 Yes, so this is just really a short introduction. I've just got my own little show that I do called a conversation with Kometan and I've just done a sort of different series really of lectures and some of them are sort of six hours long so that tells you how much is part of astronism. This is just a few slides really in comparison. All right. You know it's just a short intro. Really to get us just into it this a little bit, the main thing that I've talked about so far is what we call astronality. So this is really any type of emotion that is felt in relation to the astronomical world. When I use the word astronomical world I just mean

Starting point is 00:22:56 out of space, but also space exploration activities, aliens maybe, we can talk about the role of aliens in it later on, but essentially where I've sort of associated this word with was my feelings when I looked up at the night sky essentially and I thought lots of other people seem to have this type of experience, you know, I think everyone just about as looked up in the night sky and sort of have these emotions of happiness or maybe even fear, definitely hope, wonder. I classify all of these as part of this is what we call astronality, okay, and this is at the basis of really all of astronism. If astronality didn't exist, then astronism wouldn't exist. So real quick, what does space represent?

Starting point is 00:23:51 Does space represent, let's say, you know, in let's say Christianity, heaven is the kingdom of, you know, there's a kingdom of heaven? What is space represent? Is it just vast and empty and there's a kingdom of heaven. What is space represent? Is it just vast and empty and that's what you believe in? Or do you believe that space, like the earth's a very special place and space has a role in that, in the relationship to earth and our relationship with space? What is the relationship to that?

Starting point is 00:24:24 So we believe that, well, first of all, we believe that humanity's not alone. So we believe that definitely there are, is other life, another systems in the galaxy, in the universe. So that's number one. Number two, we believe essentially that outer space, yes, is a vast, not endless, not endless, limited, but is essentially the place where we're going to find the answers, essentially, that we can't find the answers to the universe here. And I think that kind of makes sense in the sense of, you know, if we're just looking at the earth to try and answer our questions, you know, the, the earth to try and answer our questions,

Starting point is 00:25:07 you know, we're only going to have a very narrow understanding of existence, aren't we? So what we're trying to encourage people to do is to focus on outer space as this place really were the knowledge that we could potentially gain from exploring out of space, from engaging with it in a spiritual way, or in a emotional way, or in a physical way, if you're actually going to go up into space, is really endless, essentially. So that's how we see space. We see space as the place where we're going to receive. We use the word transcension. That's that you'll see that coming up in a little bit. But it basically means salvation. It basically means that space is going to be the place where we realize who we are, where we actually fulfill

Starting point is 00:26:05 why we're here, you know? So that's why space is such an important environment for us, and there are different schools of thought within astrunism. Some believe that space is just a natural thing, that there's no spiritual aspects to space, where there's other schools of thought that believe, yeah, that space is definitely part of the spiritual existence, that it's definitely plays a role. And I do believe that. I believe that after death,

Starting point is 00:26:38 that space is definitely involved. If there is a spiritual aspect to death, then yeah, space is definitely involved in that. I don't, I think it's, um, I, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, I, I, um, I, I, um, um, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, that, that, that, that, that, is, is, is definitely, is definitely, is definitely, is definitely, is definitely, is definitely, is definitely, is definitely, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is definitely, is, is definitely, is, is, is definitely, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, that, that, that, that, that, that, that space, that space, that space is, that space is, that space is definitely, that space is definitely, that space is definitely, that space is definitely, that space is definitely, that space is definitely, that space is definitely, that space is, that space is, to death, then yeah, space is definitely involved in that. I don't, I think it's, I don't know, I just don't think it's rational to say that, even if you're going to presume that spirits exist and things like that, I don't think it's rational to say that, oh, space is not involved at all. Of course it's involved. It's, I think that's where the concept the concept the concept the concept the concept the concept the concept the concept the concept the concept the concept the concept the concept the concept the concept the concept the concept the concept the concept the concept the concept the concept the concept the concept of the concept of the concept of the concept of the concept of the concept of the concept of the concept of the concept of the concept of that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's's involved. It's I think that's where the concept of heaven came from probably is this is definitely this looking up at the stars but hopefully that answered your question.

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Starting point is 00:28:48 Does it, is it like something that we go there to learn how to be better here? Does it have the answers? Are there entities in space that will teach us how to be better, better beings? Yes, that's my belief. And I think part of humanity will definitely stay on the Earth, but I think that outer space expand humanity, expanding into outer space, becoming a multi-planetary and then multi-system species eventually will, we will become, we will evolve into a different species essentially. We will, because of these different environments that

Starting point is 00:29:31 will move to, we won't look the same, we won't act the same. I just see it as our natural progression, really, and for me, space represents the future. I don't see any other future that doesn't involve space unless and we're going to get into more deeper intrastronism unless we stay on the earth and for me, if that is the case, then eventually I think that will just will just devolve into sort of a lesser species and then just go extinct just like every other species has to be honest. That's, that's happened to, that's, that's happened to, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the space to the space, the space, and the space, and the space, and the space, and the space, and the space, and the space, and the space, and we the space, and we the space, and we the space, and we the space, and we the space, and we the space, and we the space, and we the space, and we to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the space, we the space, we the space, we the space, we the space, we the space, we the space, we the space, we'll the space, we'll the space, the space, the space, the space, we'll the space, the space, the space, tha, the space, the space, the space, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, the space, a lesser species and then just go extinct, just like every other species has, to be honest. That's happened to every other, millions of species. I don't think we're exempt from that happening to us. You know, it's definitely possible that a comet strike could come and destroy us just like it did the dinosaurs. There's nothing to say that that won't happen.

Starting point is 00:30:26 So we've got two choices then, haven't we, essentially? Either we stay here or we don't stay here. And I'm going with the one where we don't stay here and where we go out into outer space and and explore these other worlds. And I don't want to make it sound romantic. It is romantic. It is poetic, but it's also going to be the hardest endeavor that we'll ever undertake.

Starting point is 00:30:56 And obviously we see that now with Elon Musk, obviously in all his work. And even just the NASA rockets that have crashed and people that have died, it's not going to be without casualties this endeavor. And I think that's something that you also need to bear in mind. But I think it's to bring in the concept of destiny, yeah, I think it's our destiny to expand into our suspense. As a young man, were you influenced by sci-fi? Was there a part of Star Wars and Star Trek that connected with you?

Starting point is 00:31:39 Definitely, yes, Star Wars, I grew up with Star Wars, the, the, the, you know, all the films and also the new ones as well. And, um, yeah, that, that sort of, that, that sort of, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thi, thi, thi-in thi-in thi-in, that, that, thi-in, thi-in, thi-in, thi-in, thi-in, thi-in, thi-in, thi-in, thi-in, thi-in, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi-a, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, th-s, th-s, th-s, th-s, th-s, thin, the-s, thin, the-s, the-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi- Star Wars, the, the, you know, all the films and also the new ones as well. And yeah, that, that sort of, anyway, those films are cosmo-centric if you want to use that word again. They are focusing on outer space. They are, they are beyond this world. They are, I don't know, they're just, they're just not focused on one planet, are they? They're exploring different worlds and gaining knowledge as they go on, but also they're very religious in many ways. You know, Star Wars is very much about religion.

Starting point is 00:32:18 There's huge religious undertones and philosophical undertones. It's a very deep movie franchise in that sense. So yeah, of course, sci-fi has influenced me definitely. Interesting. So what, you know, there's a lot of, I think, you know, where we are is very unique. And space is like, are you concerned that a lot of your beliefs are based on theories and that's very hard for you to actually experience space to know that, okay, I am on the right path. Because a lot of it and dude and listen all are welcome here I'm here to just understand where you're coming from so I'm I'm here to help the listeners understand you more I'm here to

Starting point is 00:33:19 help you shine so I'm not trying to be disrespectful anyway but you know like for me like I practice a couple things in my life. It's very simple I practice, you know, law of attraction mile of abundance and love thy neighbor and these little things I do have helped me and I see It in real time how I if when I help somebody my life feels better than that and that's a philosophy not a more of a religion. But as having a view of what space is and what it represents, is it, does it concern you at all that a lot of it is based on theory and not so much actual, you know, interaction with deep space? Definitely, yeah. I think that there's really two sides here. There is the side that I'm going to speak about a little bit later on, which is what we

Starting point is 00:34:12 call the astronic tradition, which is that I'm not the first person to have experienced astronality. I found that out very, very quickly that there is a very long lineage of this and it's very much intertwined with our human history more than I ever thought. And but, and also there is, yes, so I've experienced, of course, observing the astronomical world, that's all I can do right now. And then also, yeah, there's this other side where, you know, astronauts get to go up into outer space. I know that I won't ever that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that, there's this other side where, you know, astronauts get to go up into outer space. I know that I won't ever be able to explore the Milky Way because, you know, I'm not going

Starting point is 00:34:55 to live long enough to do that. So I've accepted that. But what I'm trying to do is just to contribute to something that maybe, might still be around when that is happening, maybe if it lasts that long that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that thenors and to thenors and thinoenors and I to th. to to to to to to to to to to to to tonoanaunoanaunoanaunoanaunit is to be to be to be to be to go might still be around when that is happening, maybe if it lasts that long, if astronism does last that long, or if my ideas do last that long. So, yeah, there is that reality where, you know, I have to accept that parts of astronism, yeah, are based on this promise really, and I think that is the religious side of it coming in a little bit. It is a promise. It's a promise that the outer space, these are the worlds, that humanity,

Starting point is 00:35:35 seeing these are the worlds in the flesh, will change us as a species, will elevate us to levels that we can't understand yet, to conditions that we can't fathom yet. That's the promise and that's what astruism, that's really what is at the basis of astronism. So really, to answer your question, I think astruism had to be created here in a way to have that naivety in the sense. And really important aspect of astrinism is that it it it it it to to to to to to have that naivety in the sense. And really important aspect of astronism is that it will continue to change. So, asronism is not like Christianity in the sense of, you know, those beliefs are set in stone

Starting point is 00:36:18 and they're not going to change or the importance of those beliefs won't change, no. Even in the last eight years, or even in the last year, for example, some of the beliefs in astronism have moved in terms of how important they are to the central concept of what astranism is. So in a hundred years time, maybe when we've made more exploration into outer space, new people will come along to contribute to this, I'm hoping. You know, I'm hoping that as people go into space more, that they will experience what

Starting point is 00:36:59 one author said was the overview effects, which is what astronauts have felt when they've gone up into outer space and they've looked at the overview effects, which is what astronauts have felt when they've gone up into outer space and they've looked at the earth, they've actually been in outer space, they sort of have a shift in their understanding of the universe and their perception of it. So as people do that more, hopefully, astronist philosophy and astronist religion will grow, grow even more and maybe some of the things I'm talking about will become irrelevant because we will have overcome those obstacles. You know, when humanity is in another solar system or a spread to other galaxies, for example, they won't be needing what I'm

Starting point is 00:37:45 saying right now because they'll already have done that. They'll be new people coming along, hopefully, to, you know, contribute to getting humanity to a higher level. I'm just trying to do it for right now. So, yeah, there is that reality that I have to accept. And I think I've, I think I've accepted it as much as I can right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right. th th th th th th th th th th th th th reality that I have to accept. And I think I've accepted it as much as I can. Right. So do you see like many people see Earth as a living entity in itself its own God? Do you see space as a one giant entity? Is it one living thing that we are a part of?

Starting point is 00:38:25 Is it a spiritual entity? Yes, I do think that. I think that it is, I think it's definitely alive in the sense that it's, it's got a system and it's got a definite order to it and that it's not just coincidental that it functions in that way. So yes, I do think that and I do, we call it the cosmos essentially. When we're talking about it in those terms, when we talk about out of space in the terms of,

Starting point is 00:38:57 you know, it's animated, it's alive, it's, you can connect with it, it's a spiritual entity. We refer to it at the cosmos because that means order and function and in some ways design as well. That this has sort of been designed in this way to function as it does. But yeah, to some degree, yeah. Not all astronists would believe that. I do have to say that, you know, there are a spectrum of beliefs within astronism. At the side, you've got naturalism and then the other side, you've got more of a spiritual understanding of astronism. So I suppose the most important thing to say is that astheism isn't just... It are some core beliefs, of course, but it is a spectrum. It is a spectrum the spectrum, a spectrum of belief, a spectrum of belief, a spectrum of belief, a spectrum of belief, a spectrum, a spectrum of belief, a spectrum of belief, a spectrum of belief, a spectrum, a spectrum, a spectrum, a spectrum of belief, a spectrum, a spectrum, a spectrum, a spectrum, a spectrum, a spectrum, a spectrum, a spectrum, a spectrum, a spe, a spiiiii, a spe of belief, a speism, a spiiii, a spi, a spi, a spe thiii, a spiiii,ronism isn't just, it is some core beliefs of course,

Starting point is 00:39:46 but it is a spectrum, it is a spectrum of beliefs that can really encompass quite a lot really. You can see the world in a spiritual way and still be an asternist, and you can be an atheist and really see the world in only a very naturalistic way and also still be an astronist. Interesting, interesting. We're in astro-astroism, does astronism, does multiple dimensional beings fall in?

Starting point is 00:40:19 Or do you believe in multiple dimensions? And, and those, those entities from different places. Yes, so we have like a developed cosmology like in other philosophies and religions. So we, you know, we see the world in the universe in a very specific way and yeah, we do believe that there are other cosmoses that exist. They're distinct from this cosmos. We call them cosmoses rather than dimensions. But yeah, we do believe in different cosmoses that have evolved differently,

Starting point is 00:40:56 that may be totally entirely different in terms of the matter, the way that matter has materialized in those dimensions or cosmos. But yeah, we do believe in terms of the matter, the way that matter is materialized in those dimensions or cosmoses. But yeah, we do believe in that. But ultimately, we see this reality here is limited. And all you have to do is just looking at yourself or look at around you to see that everything around us is limited, that there is nothing really that is immortal or that is, um, that is, um, that is, um, um, that is, um, the they., they, they, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their that everything around us is limited, that there is nothing really that is immortal or that is finite. And I think that's the difference between what a cosmos and what the universe is.

Starting point is 00:41:35 I think that there's something beyond the cosmos that we call the universe that is much bigger, and it's, well, it's infinite, and it's very, very different from the cosmos for that is much bigger and it's well it's infinite and it's very very different from the cosmos for that reason but that's like going into another area of astrieism. Okay so what we want to do is finish your presentation because due to our set up this to it's my fault that's my fault due to the setup we can only see your your, right now we can only see your presentation so Due to the setup, we can only see your,

Starting point is 00:42:05 right now we can only see your presentation. So let's get through the presentation so we can see your wonderful face. So go on. So yeah, so we've got to hear about astronality, the sort of this emotional connection to everything cosmic. The psychologist William E Kelly has done quite a lot of work on, astronality and how he's done empirical studies essentially. You know, this idea that astronality increases people's ability to imagine and increases people's

Starting point is 00:42:40 motivation in some ways. So he's done some really good work. And I'm continuing to sort of following in his footsteps, hopefully. But as I said before, I'm not the first person to have experienced this. And when I began to explore, I sort of became an archaeologist for a summer last year. And started to look into sort of the prehistoric origins of religion, started to look at cave art and rock engravings and I saw the other of it is actually astronaut and there are star patterns and depictions of sun and the moon and all these types of things.

Starting point is 00:43:28 And I've got some specimen to show you in a second, but what I related these two was sort of a tradition of religion. So if you aware of the Abrahamic, the Darmic and the Tawic religions, what I want to do is try and establish a fourth one called the astronic religious tradition. So really trying to distinguish really astronomical religion from all other types of religion. That's what essentially I'm trying to do. And I see this is really being the oldest religious tradition. And this is a lot of the work that I do now is exploring this more, adding more specimen to the collection

Starting point is 00:44:10 that I've got together. Here are just some, hopefully you can see these on the screen now, just some astronomical rock art engravings, all these different types of things. Most of these are from prehistory. There might be a couple in there that from ancient times, I think the limestone one on the right hand side, that's more of an ancient specimen there. But, you know, all of these really presented me with this sort of evidence relay, that there has definitely existed a religious here,

Starting point is 00:44:48 beliefs about the stars, emotional connections to the stars since prehistoric times. For different reasons, you know, people will have looked up at the stars and for navigation purposes, for agriculture, for us, but they're still looking up at the stars and feeling some, and, and, and, really, the their, and, really, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, the, the, here, here, here, here, here, here here here here here here here here here here here here here here here here here here here here, here, here here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and for agriculture for us, but they're still looking up at the stars and feeling something and relating to that to what they believe. So, let me ask you something. Does astrology fit into your beliefs?

Starting point is 00:45:26 That's interesting. And we see astrology as a cousin. So we think kind of like a cousin religion or cousin belief system. It's not part of astronism, but it's definitely part of the astronic tradition. So we see it as developed out of the original term or the term for astrology is actually astromancy which relates to a more prehistoric form of astrology before developed and the zodiac developed and things like that. So yeah, it definitely belongs to that tradition of religion that I was talking to you about just then and yeah in astronism we see as like a cousin. So there's not much divination in astronism honest, there's not much astrology work that goes on

Starting point is 00:46:13 because we've got other beliefs and other priorities but yeah it's definitely there and you know they're interesting people and I like to talk to them quite a bit we share you know some ideas and beliefs not all but yeah they're definitely part of our family of beliefs. The chicks are hot little crazy. How does one join your religion or like... let him get through his thing and then we'll ask that question. So keep going with your presentation and then that'll be the first question. Right, so I'll try and get through this as quickly as I can. So we're coming now really into the foundation of astranism, which is essentially that outer

Starting point is 00:47:00 space really is the existential source of humanity. It's really where we've gained a lot of our knowledge about who we are, why we're here, and really what astruanism is trying to promote is this idea that we do go up into outer space, that we will become higher beings, essentially, that we will reach conditions that we can't reach if we stay here. That's essentially the point and we relate to this to the concepts of salvation, which

Starting point is 00:47:30 is obviously a Christian idea, but we don't really engage it in the sense of a moral dimension. There is sort of an ethics to astronism, but it's not centered on that. I'm not trying to purify the world in terms of moral morality, but more is just as a sort of an sort, sort, sort, sort, sort, as a sort, as a sort, as a sort, as a sort, as a sort, as a sort, as a sort, as a sort, as a sort, as a sort of, as a sort of, as a sort of, as a sort of, as a sort of, as a sort of, as a sort of, as a sort of, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to. I'm not trying to purify the world in terms of moral morality, but more is just as a sort of existential salvation, if you will. And what we call this is transcension. So this is kind of like a form of ascension, so going up into the outer space, but also in your mind. So, yes, it's great that Elon Musk is going up into space physically,

Starting point is 00:48:08 but what I'm trying to say is that there's no point of us doing that if we're not going into space in our minds also, that we need to go up into space with the right attitude and with the right reasons. And for a kind of a kind of a kind of trying to better ourselves kind of reason. And obviously politics gets entwined with that and so things become a little bit messy, but what I'm trying to promote is a more pure reason for going into outer space, and this is what we call transcension. This is a diagram that I created recently. This is probably as complicated as astronism gets right now, this diagram. Obviously I don't

Starting point is 00:48:58 really have time to go through all of it because I've been here for hours, but this is essentially how astronism sees that we're going to get to, um, um, um, the, um, to the, um, to the space. Um, um, um, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to to to to to to to, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the toooooom, to to to to sees that we're going to get to this higher condition that I'm talking about, this, how we're going to go about this essentially, and what we have to do, where we are right now. I've needed some key words there for you to take a look at. Hopefully people can see this and can sort of zoom in to look. Yeah, okay. And so again, I can't give us some of the real quick. Can you give us some of the PowerPoints? Can you give us the PowerPoint presentation of this slide you have right here, like the most important parts? Like even some of the key words, or the key words basically?

Starting point is 00:49:55 Yeah. The most important parts are the first section there at the bottom which kind of like jumps out to the left. Basically what that's saying is that since prehistoric times, you know, we've had other religions that are focused on humanity essentially, that we've made humanity God, that we've, God became man, that type of idea, and that what we're trying to promote instead is looking at the astronomical world as the focus. So that's essentially the first part. So astronism has been created to try and get humanity back on this path, essentially. That originally we were on the path to going up to the stars and we sort of saw the stars

Starting point is 00:50:36 as the most important thing. That was sort of destroyed and we have to get back on this path. So that's the first section there. In the middle there called Twilightide, that's essentially the decision that we have. Either we're going up into the stars or going up into the stars. The not going to the red section, and then the purpley section,

Starting point is 00:50:59 and then going into the gold at the top is the going up to the stars stars stars stars stars stars stars stars stars stars stars stars stars stars stars stars stars stars. the stars. the stars. the stars at the top is the going up to the stars. Essentially. Oh yeah, this is the most robotic part right there. Is it okay, Johnny? Is he there? Hello? You still with us? No.

Starting point is 00:51:20 That sounds great. Even though I do enjoy the sound effect. Do you want to try to call back? I feel like this is like, this is from outer space. It's fucking, from Elon Musk shit. You sound like you're on like the far side of the sun trying to communicate with Earth. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Should we call them back, dude?

Starting point is 00:51:44 Let's just take a quick, yeah, pop out maybe of the meeting and I'll just let you back in. Yeah, let's see how that goes. All right, so after the technical difficulties, after the powers that be, the lizard people refusing to los to hear about space, we're back in it, and let's finish up this. So you got this diagram of what's gonna happen. Either we go to space and we ascend or we stay here and just become fuckedards. Is that what you're saying?

Starting point is 00:52:13 Yeah. That's essentially what I'm saying. Okay, basically we have two choices. We have toys, okay, so I respect that. I respect that. Next slide. Because we gotta get this done because who knows when that. That's just another vaging of it. This is more.

Starting point is 00:52:33 That's just another more. I won't go through it because again, we won't have time to talk. But again, if people just want to pause it and then just use the key words to to try and understand what I'm trying to say. Okay so portalism what is portalism? Essentially what it is is that outer space is filled with a lot of real insights knowledge just ways of becoming higher beings, higher individuals, higher species. So what portalism is trying to say is that, you know, you can achieve these things and in the future, maybe not us right now, but definitely people in the future will be able

Starting point is 00:53:23 to do that and they'll be able to gain knowledge from maybe other beings, maybe the other planets. And of course we can to some degree experience these things but it's a very limited way because obviously we can only observe outer space we can't actually go into outer space. Scope is basically just about opportunity. It's saying either we have this opportunity to go into outer space or we don't we don't take this opportunity to go into outer space. That is essentially what scope is trying to say. And also the word steleancy there on the second paragraph

Starting point is 00:54:08 is just saying that it's basically trying to promote this idea that becoming approximate to the astronomical world, becoming close to it, in many different ways, spiritual, intellectual, will lead to us getting to this higher condition. I don't know how much time we've got left but these, essentially what the astrocy system is, is a vehicle. It's a forum to discuss these ideas and that's what I do with the people that I know and who were involved with astronism. We discuss these ideas, we discuss whether

Starting point is 00:54:50 they're right or not, and we debate about it. So I'm always happy to take questions and to receive criticism to make astruism better in the future, hopefully. Okay. All right. He is just a quick overview of what asronism is. I'm not gonna read all that out, but people can do the composite, obviously can't they, and they can just take a look at that. But give me the quick PowerPoint to this. Is that it's, that there's a problem here that we are either, that we're kind, we're kind, we're kind, we're kind, we're kind kind kind, we're kind kind kind kind, we're kind kind kind kind kind, we're kind, we're kind kind kind, we're kind kind, we're kind, we're kind, we're kind, we're kind, we're kind, we're kind, we're kind, we're kind, we're kind, we're kind, we're, we're, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th., th., th., th., th., th., th., th., th. th. th. th. th. to, th. to, to, to, to, to, to, th. to, th. th. to, th. to, to, th. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. It is that it's that there's a problem here that we are either that we're kind of stuck here for now. And we have been since, you know, history began.

Starting point is 00:55:34 And what astruism is saying is that the next phase really of our evolution, of our journey, our story really, is to go into outer space and what astrinism is trying to be is the solution to that. So it's trying to answer why we need to do that as individuals but also as a collective humanity and also how do we go about that? How do we actually achieve this, these higher conditions, this salvation through space that astronism is promising and talking about? Astranist system is trying to provide a solution to that, essentially. Okay, here we go.

Starting point is 00:56:18 My question to you is because we do have a short amount of time here, but. Yeah, of course. Does a lot of your stuff is based a lot of your beliefs is based on the notion of what we've been told spaces through let's say something like NASA right NASA okay so okay so here we so okay so let's get into this part that you had up here and that I'm gonna get in, okay, now let me finish that thought. So NASA, NASA has a dark history with things such as Nazism and stuff like that. Does that concern you?

Starting point is 00:56:56 No, not really because the things that I'm talking about are prehistoric. So these are, before politics even existed. So some of the, you know, this idea that we have a connection to the outer space that we, that the stars are connected to us in many different ways, whether that be spiritual or whether that just be literally physically, how we exist here and how we've come about as a species.

Starting point is 00:57:31 And that pre-exist NASA and obviously there was astronomers who existed before that, who've documented all types of astronomical phenomena since writing was possible. Some of the first writings were about outer space, of course. And of course, some of those specimen that I showed you before, they were some of the first artworks. They were about outer space. And so essentially what I'm trying to say is that, yes, political things in the present time are concerning for me. But they're not concerning for me in the sense that, you know, they will they will, they will, they will, they will, they will, they will, they will, they will, they will, they will, they will, they will, they will, they will, they will, they will, they will, they will, they're their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. their. their, their, their, the present time are concerning for me, but they're not in can they're not concerning for me in the sense that you know they will undermine

Starting point is 00:58:10 astronism or that that space is not real or sometimes I know that everything that has been observed in space is as it is not. I think when we try and muddy the waters as to is, it is not. I think when we try and muddy the waters as to, is the space real? You can do that, but it's just, it's not very helpful. And it's kind of something that other religions do. It's a way of saying things on as they seem, you know, in the sense that

Starting point is 00:58:45 Preside kind of does that sometimes where it's sort of, it says that, you know, things look a certain way but they're actually not that way, whereas astronism is much more literal, it's much more, well, we can see that the outer space looks this way and that's how it actually exists. So it's a little bit different in that sense. But no, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, I, th, I, I, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. thi. th way and that's how it actually exists. So it's a little bit different in that sense, but no, I don't, I'm not worried about NASA or anything like that now. Okay, so when you say space is space and the universe two different things. And when I talk the universe, I mean in a, the way spiritual philosophies talk about the universe as an energy that connects all of us. Or are you talking about literal space? I'm talking about literal space. Yeah, I'm not. There is a tradition within astronism that's developing that infuses those types of ideas into it,

Starting point is 00:59:46 sort of a more spiritual, energy-based type of ideas, and they're interesting, but majority of the time when I'm talking, I'm talking about literal outer space. I'm not talking about a sort of other spiritual dimension, I'm not talking about, you know, that there are sort of spiritual beings in space. I'm more talking about literal space, literal galaxies and other species on other planets, essentially. That's what I'm talking about. Okay. So let me ask you something. How does astronism help me in my life today? How do I apply it to, I'm really depressed, I can't get out of my own way, I'm going to, I want to be a better person and change my life for me and my family?

Starting point is 01:00:39 I think it comes really from a very different perspective, taking a different perspective on things, a more existential perspective. It comes, I think a lot of problems that we have in today's society are based on really not being able to see the bigger picture, not sort of thinking that your problems are the biggest problems and that they are sort of world-ending problems. I think a lot of issues do come from things. I think a lot of thi things things things thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, a more, a more thi thi thi thi thi thi, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a more, a thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii thi thi thi thi thi are the biggest problems and that they are sort of world-ending problems. I think a lot of issues do come from that and I've had problems like everyone else does and one thing I've found very helpful for me to do is, and I know this sounds like just to literally just look up at the stars essentially and actually just say to yourself

Starting point is 01:01:26 the world will continue, the stars will still move and turn whether this thing works out or not. And I'm not trying to reduce the problems in that sense, but I'm trying to put them into perspective. So in that sense it has a grounding. That's when I'm trying to give people a grounding in the sense of knowing how small you are, essentially, really accepting that, not just knowing it, but accepting how small you are as an individual in this cosmos. But also at the same time, there are other definite practices. Just going stargating for a weekend is a great way to connect with the astronomical world. I do it often with friends and things you know it's a great way to relax to get away from those problems.

Starting point is 01:02:19 You know we can look up the stars and it's a very it's a very um it's obviously silent. There's so much noise in the world, there's too much noise in the world. What I'm trying to promote as well is getting away from that noise and one way to do it is to go to a dark site somewhere and just sit under the stars essentially. And I know that kind of, I don't know, some people might take that as, you know, counterproductive maybe, or you're not really solving your problems, you're just sort of prolonging them or delaying them.

Starting point is 01:02:55 But I think when you approach something in that way, I think you're better at dealing with those problems. And it has helped me, and it's helped other people that I know as well. Um, do you own a lot of telescopes? I do. So you're always looking at the stars and not not. Some of them can be millions of pounds, but I've not got a million pound one, but I've got a, I've got a few, yeah, a few different telescopes.

Starting point is 01:03:28 So all these people that think like there's an inner earth, that's pretty amazing, that there's different forms of aliens on the planet, you know, the leader of NASA, the guy who created NASA has a biblical psalm, is that what's called a psalm, a palm, psalm on his gravestone that talks about the firmament, which is basically a dome between heaven and earth. What are your thoughts on that? I tend not, I was saying this to someone else, because someone was else last week was asking me about different conspiracy theories and things like that.

Starting point is 01:04:19 I tend not to get involved with those just because I don't want another label attached to me. I've already got too many, you know, pool leader, this type of stuff. I've got too much already. So just, you know, I like to engage in those things. So I look at UFO sightings and I do, I have, I've spoken to people who've, you know, who believe in that they've, you know, experience those types of things, but I tend not to get involved with them in that way because it's just, I don't want to be known as a conspiracy theorist on top of everything else that I'm labeled.

Starting point is 01:05:03 But I know what you mean. I think that there's a lot of allegory that went on in the Bible about space that has not been promoted enough. You know, I think, yeah, space has played a very big role in how Christianity, Islam and Judaism have developed as religion. So yeah, I'll promote that, definitely. So whenever they're talking about the firmament and things like that, that was how they perceived space to be at that time. And also, I can't remember what else you said,

Starting point is 01:05:36 but it was just, essentially what I'm trying to promote is, essentially what I'm trying to promote is, just looking at it the stars is essentially what I'm trying to promote. So I'm thinking about it in a philosophical way, relating that to your beliefs and relating that to your identity is essentially it. Final question, is the universe in you, is space in you, are the molecule molecules that you are made up of part of space. Are you small or are you big? Are you part of this whole thing or you just you know spec a ship hurling through space? What's your philosophies on that?

Starting point is 01:06:21 I think that we're very small as individuals. I think we're, I think we're important. I think that humanity definitely has a role. I don't think that we're meaningless. I think that definitely we have a destiny. We have a role that we need to fulfill. That's obviously part of astronism. Astronism would exist if we don't have some type of, you know, role or destiny. But no, I think as individuals and as a single planet, we are very, very small. And that comes in the astronist worldview of Cosmocentrism where, you know, looking out of space, having that as the center rather than having the self as the center as the center as as the center, as you can see, as you can see, as the the th th th th th, as th, at outer space, having that as the center rather than having the self as the center, as you can see on the screen there, there's these

Starting point is 01:07:10 different world views and this is how asroonism differs from those other world views. Hold on, but I think what is anal lip-centric? What is that? That basically just means that it really, um, centering on the centering, the centerion and the center of center. the center, as center, as center, as center, as center, as center, as center, as center, as center, as center, as center, as center, as center, and the center, as center, as center, and the center, as center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, and the center, and the center, and the center, and the center, and the center, and the center, and the center, and the center, and the center, and the center, the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, as the center, basically just means that it really, centering on transcension and this idea of, an ellipsis basically means to go into out of space for salvation essentially. So that's what that is based off that word. It just again it just means that as astronism is based on this idea of salvation in through the astronomical world essentially. That's that's what that word means. All right well man I appreciate you coming on. I love that you have a view of the world and you're just trying to help spread it to the rest

Starting point is 01:08:02 to try to help humanity and I respect that rest to try to help humanity. And I respect that, man. And I'm gonna be interested in watching you on your journey because I think there's gonna be so much more coming through as you go on this long path called life. And I'm interested in seeing all the stuff you learn. And if your philosophies grow in the same direction or change in a different direction and all that stuff.. And that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and that, that, and I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm tham, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I I I I'm, I I I I I I I I I'm, I'm, I I I I I'm, I'm, I'm, I I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm th., I'm th., I'm thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, uh, thi, uh, uh, uh, thi.ean, uh, uh, uh, t t try, uh, uh, thi.ean, uh, thi, thi, ies grow in the same direction or change in a different direction and all that stuff. And so for our listeners, can you please tell them where they can find you?

Starting point is 01:08:34 So you can find me if, oh, they can't see the screen, can they? So, yeah they can. You can find me. All right, okay, you can find me at Comitan.org. Astron.org. I've got the latest book out, which is my institutional dictionary of astronism, which was from this year. I also do a podcast as well. I've also put my email on there as well, help at Jesse Millett.com, which you can ask me any questions, send me ideas, send me whatever I'm not bothers, send me criticism we wish.

Starting point is 01:09:14 But yeah, those are just some ways that you can get in contact with me. All right, I think it's great. I'm so excited. I'd love to your books look great. And again, that's help at Jesse Millitin.com. If you want to get a hold of him, you can check out his YouTube channel at YouTube.com slash astronism. Cummington, thank you so much for coming on, dude. I appreciate you.

Starting point is 01:09:40 I look forward to seeing all the wonderful things you're going to do, brother. Thanks for having me. Cheers. All right brother, take care. Thank you so much. Hope to see everybody in Bakersfield. Come get weird. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron! This is only the beginning. Dude, you just blew my mind.

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