Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #465: The Energy Paradox and Ancient Civilizations With Randall Carlson and Graham Dunlop

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Starting point is 00:00:50 Thank you guys for joining us. Join me as always, Xavier Greiro and Jay-ni's Johnny Woodard. Crazy Days, crazy day. Well, you know, in the middle of recording this episode, we all just found out that former guest. John McAvey has died in prison. I wasn't going to stop the episode to talk about so I thought we'd talk about a little here real quickly. A tweet he put out, let me show you guys.

Starting point is 00:01:20 This was put out by the podcast fringe center Manny Miranda's Just go to at fringe center on Twitter, and it's from John McCaffey And it says it's on his Twitter, and this is dated October 15th 2020. I'm content in here. I have friends. The food is good all as well know that if I hang myself a la Epstein. It will not It will not it will be no? It will be no? It will be no? It will be no, it will be. It will be. It. It. It. It. It. It will be the the the the this. It will be this. the the this. this. the this. the this. the this. this. the this. the this. this. this the this this this this this the this the fringe. the fringe. the the the fringe. the fringe. the fringe. the fringe. the fringe. the fringe. the fringe. the fringe. the fringe. the fringe. the fringe. the fringe. the fringe. the fringe. the fringe. the fringe. the fringe. the fringe. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the fringe the the the the fringe the fringe the fringe the fringe the fringe the fringe. the fringe the fringe. the fringe. the fringe. the the fringe. the the the the, the food is good, all is well, know that if I hang myself a la Epstein, it will not, it will be no fault of mine. Interesting. Wait, wait, dude, dude, dude, it goes even, look at this tweet. Okay, so it says, uh, this is a MacAfee tweat.

Starting point is 00:01:58 Getting subtle messages from US officials saying, in effect, we're coming for you, Macafy. U.S. officials saying, in effect, we're coming for you, McAfee, we're going to kill yourself. I got a tattoo today just in case. If I suicide myself, I didn't. I was whacked. And look at his tattoo. It's a dollar sign with the word whacked next to it. Oh, ho. And he got that in prison? That's probably one of the better prison. Oh, yeah. That's 2019. That's. That's that. That's that. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. the. the that. that's. that's. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. tod. tod. tod. today. today. today. today. today. today. today. today. today. today. today. I don't think he was in prison. Okay. Uh, yeah, when did that come out? Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I mean, they got him.

Starting point is 00:02:30 Yeah. I mean, what was his info that he had? He talked a lot about the elites, a lot about adrenochrome, a lot about childs. Bill Gates. A lot of Bill Gates. Well, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I was. I was. I was. I was. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. lot of Bill Gates. Well, yeah, this was a guy who was at the very top of cyber security, you know, for decades. So he's, I'm privy to a lot of shit that I'm sure they don't want coming out at trial. Because he just got extradited. I mean, you don't think he got invited.

Starting point is 00:02:54 And he was getting extradited. Or he was getting went there. I don't know. He went or did it. I know he got invited You're not not inviting John McAfee. Yeah, I mean He parties hard. We've all heard his I feel bad for his girlfriend. Yeah for sure. Do we hit her up for? I mean like, what do you want to hit her up for? I mean like, she's just going through thrown through some stuff? Yeah, thrown through some stuff. No. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. he's. he's. thin. thin' he's. he's hea' hea' hea' hea' hea' hea' hea' hea' the the the the the the the the the the the their. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. I th. Yeah, th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th just going through. She's going through some stuff, man. Just like, totally crazy. It's just like, by hanging, too. You know, it's just like, it's all by hanging. I mean, it's, it doesn't, you have to like fall.

Starting point is 00:03:37 But also here, dude, it's like, like, prison's bad. Especially if you're a billionaire, but you've been on the run, you lost a lot of your money. But 75 is prison that bad? Well, he was saying, I mean, his tweets were all like, I'm just meeting some people, I mean, he talked about like some, a little violence and stuff, but I mean, he's got a fucking phone, he's on the phone, he's on Twitter. Well, I think you're th. I know this is Spanish prison. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It might be different.

Starting point is 00:04:04 So, I mean... Food's probably better. It's like, you know, I mean, he was on the run for a very long time. And they got him, and like, I'm just dying to know what they think he, what he had, what they had, what they had, what they had. I mean, it's just super interesting. Like I think they would have already done it to Jaze Lane if we weren't, wouldn't everyone had their eyes on it. Well I mean, well it's like, is she even in prison?

Starting point is 00:04:31 Or that too. I mean, is she, is, I mean, it's so crazy, dude. Crazy we had him on though. When you told me we were going to have him, I was like, really? Yeah, you remember it was supposed to be 45, he's like 30, and then he's like, I'd like to come on again please. So, rest and peace, John. The story is going to unfold. Sadly, I don't think we'll get the whole

Starting point is 00:05:06 true story and just super sad super tragic you know and I mean did he murder somebody there's that like a story we're told I mean yeah he had crazy stories on that island he basically was the king of the island for a little bit or wherever he was at he had a lot of money and told people And then he lost a lot of cash from Basically, what? I think he was trying to launch a crypto to like a cryptocurrency, and I don't I don't think it went well I mean, what if he owned a ton of comrocket and it just crashed? Yeah, yeah, what if this is Bitcoin dip is what got him? Well, he was anti-Bitcoin.

Starting point is 00:05:51 Well, you know, the crypto dip though, everything is in right now. Yeah, that sucks, man. Rest in peace. Yeah, one of my favorites. the show. Yeah, one of the best. It was a lot of fun, McCaffey. On the show. Yep, one of the best. It was a lot of fun, guy like to get pooped on, and that's fine. Yeah, but you can say what you want about him, but he was totally open the way he lived his

Starting point is 00:06:10 life and you have to respect that man. I think when you get that rich, what do you care? You know, exactly. Very well. Yeah, that's my thing. It's like let him let him get pooped on course now Epstein is. Epstein is trending now. I mean, I'm pretty sure it's gonna be John McAfee. Oh, here we go. John McCaffy allegedly killed himself in jail. Exactly 22 months, two weeks after Epstein's death on the 22nd, 22nd day of the year, having explicitly stayed that if he ends up suicide, it means he was whacked.

Starting point is 00:06:53 2, 2, 2, 2, you know, I mean, geez. Dude, Gary Shetfield has, has, He's chiming in on the- Yeah, he's chimed in with a tweet that says Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself, just like John McAvey. Hell, a hitter. Hell, a hitter. Hell, a hitter. So, we live an interesting time.

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Starting point is 00:13:51 And excited to have our next guest on, it's been a while since we rock and rolled, and it's been too long, and I'm very excited to have him on. He's one of the best in the business, and he's here to talk about one of one of the the of of of of the of the of of to to the to to to the to the to the to the to to the to the the to the to the to to to to to to to to to to to to me to have him on. He is one of the best in the business and he's here to talk about one of my favorite subjects which is ancient civilization, ancient knowledge. Please welcome the incredible. Randall Carlson. How are you Randall? I'm doing well. I'm overworked, underpaid, lacking in sleep, but other than that, I'm doing well. I'm the same way. I'm so much like that. I've been listening to blues music. That's my whole thing. I turn on the blues and I just listen to grown men, cry about how hard their lives are. And I totally relate to all of it, like my dog hates me. So for those who may not be familiar with you, Randall, Rand, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to, to, th. to, to, thi, th. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to be, to, to, to be, to, to, to, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I, th. I, th. I'm, thin, to be to be to be to be to be toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. be familiar with you, Randall,

Starting point is 00:14:45 can you tell our, they might not remember you from your last appearance and many appearances on a very big podcast. Can you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself? Okay, well, my day job is I own a design build company, so we do a variety of different kinds of projects. We just finished building a restaurant here in Decatur variety of different kinds of projects. We just finished building a restaurant here in Decatur, Georgia just outside of Atlanta, which you know came online and right in the middle of the pandemic so

Starting point is 00:15:14 it was touch and go for a little while but it's booming at this point so I'm happy about that not losing any sleep over that in fact the main problem now is when I go to have my gratis meals there I can't try to park in a the the th. th. th. th. th. the the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be toe. toe. to be to be to be. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toa. toa. toa. toa. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. the the the the their. their. their. their. their. their. their. teateateateateate. their. their. their. their. toeateateateat. toeat. toeateat. now is when I go to have my gratis meals there, I can't try to park in a parking spot. So that's a good sign. So we do a lot of different kinds of high end and middle end and low end, just depending. We got an awesome team of craftsmen and subcontractors and we do a lot of really interesting projects. So that's the day job. Then as soon as I get I I I I I I get th I get th I get th I get th I get th I get th I get th I get the th. th. the th. the th. th. the th. th. the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thea. thia. the thea' thea' th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I's th. I's th. I's the the th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm the. to to to to to to to toean. toean. toean. toean. toean. toean. try. toea. thea. thea. the. So that's the day job. Then as soon as I get off of that, I'm onto my research that I've been engaged in

Starting point is 00:15:50 for about 40 years now. I'm actually a little more than that. And I'm just very interested in how the world works, alternate views of ancient history. You know, alternate, just anything that's outside the mainstream appeals to me, but I'm particularly interested in the geological history of this planet and how it may have affected the emergence of the human species, how it may have affected the rise and fall of civilizations and that sort of

Starting point is 00:16:20 thing. So this trip we did in May out in eastern Washington was to look at the geomorphic effects of the greatest floods ever documented in the history of planet Earth. And in in five days we were only able to see a small fraction of the whole complex which reases from the Pacific Ocean into well into Montana, from there up into British Columbia and Alberta. And so one of the things that I find so appealing about that is I don't think anybody's really figured it out yet as to what actually could cause floods on this scale and later in the show we

Starting point is 00:17:02 can pull up some slides that will kind of convey to and later in the show we can pull up some slides that will kind of convey to the audience what the scale of this thing is that we're talking about. I would just mention though that some of the peak discharges during this flood were measured in the hundreds of millions of cubic feet per second. Now to put try to wrap your head around what that actually means, I'm always looking for ways to convey to people the scale and magnitude of this phenomenon. But in this case, think of it this way. About 300 million cubic feet per second, it's one of the mid-range flows.

Starting point is 00:17:41 This flow of 300 million cubic feet per second is roughly going to be between 10 and 20 times the combined flow of every single river on earth. Every single river. North America, South America, Africa, Africa, Europe, Asia, every single river flowing all together at once. And I'll give you another analogy. Typically the Mississippi River at peak discharges maybe 100 to 150,000 cubic feet per second. The two largest known floods on the Mississippi River, one in 1923 and another one in 1993 topped out at just over 1 million cubic feet per second. So the largest flood disaster, most expensive and costly as flood disaster in American

Starting point is 00:18:33 history was the 1993 flood disaster of the Mississippi. And like I said, think of that, think of that, I kind of use that as a standard, a yardstick if you will, a million cubic feet per second. So in some of the peak flows of these flood landscapes that we're looking at out in eastern Washington, the flows reach 700 to 800 million cubic feet per second. So try to imagine if you can, you know, seven or eight, uh, 100 Mississippi Rivers at peak discharge, the largest measured flood discharge. So the point here is that these are phenomenal events. Most people are completely oblivious to the fact that events like this have occurred across the face of this planet.

Starting point is 00:19:20 And then I think even some of the geologists and other scientists that are looking at various aspects of this phenomena are not fully appreciating really the implications of it. And like I said, I think that there's sort of a consensus viewpoint as to what cause these floods. We can talk about that in terms of the specifics. But once you begin looking at it, I think the consensus viewpoint begins to make less and less sense.

Starting point is 00:19:50 And we have to be looking at a much larger framework, a much larger conceptual framework to understand that there have been events like this in the history of this planet. They've been more numerous than anybody had recognized even a few decades ago. And these are things that have to be facted into our to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the their their thens their their their their their their their their thi their their their thi their their their th planet. They've been more numerous than anybody had recognized even a few decades ago. And these are things that have to be factored into our long-range thinking if we're going to have any hope of surviving as a civilization. And I for one would like to think that we have an unlimited future ahead of us if we do it right. But if we ignore some of the natural factors that have played out over this planet, over the millennia, over from any scale, time scale you care to look at, well, if we ignore those factors, we're going to find ourselves in a world of hurt, I think. I couldn't agree more. Those who forgot history are doing to repeat it and that's a very cliche saying,

Starting point is 00:20:46 but I couldn't agree more. We see it happening just in a couple decades of politics. We see happening where people are just repeating the same mistakes and not remember. And you know, it's very interesting that you brought up the, you know, conventional thought and how like the more information we get, the more ridiculous conventional thought is, and how like there is this desire to protect the conventional thought out of like almost ego to admit that everybody either got it wrong or their bullshit meter didn't catch that they were being either they were either wrong on their assumption or they were getting lied to and they didn't catch it and that's a like a giant ego thing is being done and you know I mean I know you guys might not be or Randall you might not

Starting point is 00:21:40 consider yourself a conspiracy theorist and that's fine but you know I I know I am I I wear that with pride uh because I I just you th th th th th th th th th th th I th I th th I th th I th th I th th I th th I th th th th th th th I th th th th th ti th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they thi thi ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti ti thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi a conspiracy theorist and that's fine. But you know I know I am. I wear that with pride because I just tired of them making terms to demonize us and everybody running from. I was like, no, just own it has no power. But the point is like when you study history and that's why I think conspiracy theories are, they just study, they study, and they just keep score, right. and th and th and then, and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and thin, and th, and th, th, tho, tho, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, I th, th, I I I I I I I I th, I th, I I, I, I, I, th, I th, I th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi..eeeei. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, th's a, they just study, they study and they just keep score, right? And then when something comes up again, they're like, oh, this is, this just happened over here, take a look at this.

Starting point is 00:22:10 Like, a great example is 9-11, and then this desire that they had to try to do that again with Iran. Oh, they attacked our drones. going to happen again. But back to what you're talking about is like this conventional thought that is out there that everyone's just agreeing on. You're like, no, the information says it's actually, that's really far from the truth, yet people are so anchored in to the the traditional science. And like that's, to me, anti-science, right? Because science is always meant to keep checking on itself. And like if new information comes,

Starting point is 00:22:48 it's supposed to be applied to the thought. And if it changes the results, then we have to all go, yeah, that's not, we don't, we don't agree with that thought anymore. The new information's come out. Yeah, people love to just sit there at traditionalists and anchor it into a view that does not exist anymore or was never real but for some reason we all bought into it so I completely understand what you're saying because what you're talking about it blows all tiables out and it makes what I believe is this area and what we live in way more special than anybody

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Starting point is 00:25:00 northern United States. So we're not talking very long ago that things were completely different. Completely different, yes. And as far as conspiracies, I mean, I don't think anyone can really study history without realizing that history is essentially a history of conspiracies. Those who covet power conspire, those who have power conspire to keep that power.

Starting point is 00:25:23 That's the nature of it. Where we have to be careful though is is is is is is is is is though though though though though though though though thoe thoe thoe thoe thpire to keep that power. That's the nature of it. Where we have to be careful though is I think that there's a lot of SIOP out there. In other words, putting out really ridiculous sounding conspiracies in order to discredit the credible conspiracies by guilt by association. So that's kind of my concern is I, you know, I certainly do, yeah, look, I tend to be conspiratorial by nature because I understand how politics works. I understand that they're constantly having to modify history to suit the narrative that they're trying to put out there.

Starting point is 00:26:00 And that's, I think, what's at the whole basis of all this canceled culture stuff that's going on right now is that you know we see that whenever you've had authoritarian or to a totalitarian regimes that's what they first do is to rewrite history to make it sound like they are the inevitable outcome of history rather than the fact that they're manipulating history to further their own agendas but But, you know, the way the world is now, it's not gonna work anymore, I don't think, because there's too many disparate flows of information out there. The only thing that's lacking though is the will,

Starting point is 00:26:33 on the part of a lot of people to really wanna know what's going down in the world. They don't wanna know really, they would prefer to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep to keep that veil up there, let me just focus on my little world and not not recognize that whether we like it or not we're part of a much bigger system. And one of the things that I like to say, Sam, is that I try to point out now that if you're following the science of the last, you know, typically in the last half century, but especially accelerating in the last couple of decades is we have to realize that this planet we're on. If we want to start talking about ecology, we have to think in terms of a cosmic ecosystem because this planet we live on is part of a cosmic

Starting point is 00:27:13 ecosystem. And what goes on in the cosmos has direct effects on what goes on here below, where we live and play and build our civilizations. And if you look at the history of civilization, I mean, how many civilizations have left their pitiful ruins around the planet that we can now study the wreck and rubble of these ancient civilizations that rose up and collapsed for one reason or another? And usually that collapses because they were not adaptable to the changing world, the changing planet that we live on. I totally agree that.

Starting point is 00:27:53 I also think that they're, you know, when people talk about Greece or they talk about, you know, they always blame it on like everything got loosey-goosey, like morals got loosey, and they were, nobody paid attention and blah blah blah. And I think that is just another sly-op. If you were asking me, it's like greed got too greedy, in my humble opinion. Empire spread themselves too far. Power got consolidated. Money gottoo far. Power got consolidated.

Starting point is 00:28:25 Money got consolidated. Wealth got consolidated. And the base thing get taken care of. And then it collapses on itself. And that to me is what I unfortunately see happening with the West is this consolidation of power, but that's a different podcast. What I love to do is talk about like, I mean, we hold these phones and they're like, this is the greatest technological advancement in humanity.

Starting point is 00:28:53 And you're like, tell me how the pyramids were built. Tell me how that happened. It did, it was much more important than an iPhone. And that story is what everyone needs to understand. And you're really right. There's so many, th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th than an iPhone. And that story is what everyone needs to understand. And you're really right, there are so many different flows of information. And there are people who just choose not to listen to it. Like, I don't know how many podcasts there are out there that just go over the latest episode of the, you know, the Real Housewives of New Jersey. You're like, all the things going on the world. And there. And there. And there. And there. And there. And there. And there, and you. And there, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you, you, you, you're, you're the world, you're the the the there, you're there, you're there, you're there, you're the, you're the there, you're there, you're there, you're there, you're there, you're there, you're there, you're there, you're there, you're there. And, you're there, you're there, you're there, you're there, you're there. And, you're the, you're the, you're the the the the the the the the to. to. to. to to to to to to to to to to to th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the, you're really, you're really, you're really, you're really, you're really the the latest episode of the, you know, the real housewives of New Jersey.

Starting point is 00:29:26 You're like, all the things going on in the world, and you want to do a podcast about a bunch of chicks who married a guy who did something, right? You know, and it's like, it's so mind-blowing to me. But it's like, it's the path of least resistance. Anything in life that is worth anything, you have to go through it to get to it. And people just don't want to do that. It's so easy to just fall under a brainwashing

Starting point is 00:29:56 and just accept the information's given to you, because the way the system's been set up, we're getting spread out more and more. We're working more jobs for less money. And it's so hard to just be able to focus on a million things. So we can just go home, turn on the news. And because we're nice people. We think the people talking to us have honor, right?

Starting point is 00:30:17 They're honorable people, and they're just giving us the news without the spin on it. And that th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thus thus thus thus thus thus thus their their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just their just just just just the news. the news. the news. their just their just their their their their their their their the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, the news, and the news, and the news, and the news, and the news, and the news, and the news. the news. the news. the news. their their their their their their their their th. thii. thi. thin, thin, thin, thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. theananananusus. thiii. thin. thi. thi. thi. thi. th news without their spin on it, and that has been exposed as not true. And you're right, we're entering a time of great knowledge. And you know, I study the occult and all that stuff, and I think there's been things done to traumatize us to stop this kind of great awakening that is coming of great knowledge and great acceptance of others that many people are trying to stop from happening. And I hope that this leads to us understanding how many great civilizations there were. And maybe people like you, Randall, can help us understand why they fell.

Starting point is 00:31:00 And how can we stop that so that we can thrive and grow? And just that I believe this planet has unlimited resources for us to thrive. And that this notion that everything's coming to drying up and we're all effed is, to me, just used to steal our lush and just constantly get us in fear mode. And that's kind of where I am on that man so I'm very excited about this because like I said ancient knowledge is you know is is what changed my perspective that there was much more going on and when everybody says everything's a conspiracy I go I you're completely wrong on that. I would say almost everything important is a globaling, climate change, you keep changing the name.

Starting point is 00:31:47 Yeah, right. So, Randall, where do you want to start with all this? Okay, well, first of all, let me understand some here. Are you implying then that I should probably quit watching the housewives of New Jersey? No, we, hey dude, we all have guilty pleasures. I just don't know if you should do a podcast on it. That's all.

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Starting point is 00:34:25 of the building of the great Gothic cathedrals. I don't know, Sam, if you've been to Europe or not and had a chance to ever see some of these incredible architectural masterpieces. I have not. Amiens, Reams, Leon, some of those. If you haven't, put it on your bucket list. But make sure you talk to me before you go, okay?

Starting point is 00:34:47 But you know, if you look back at the history of Western civilization, you know, the last, one of the last great, you know, historical periods was of cultural evolution, was during the Roman period. And, you know, they built an incredible civilization. They were, you know, amazing engineers. They had a whole system of law, ethics, philosophy,

Starting point is 00:35:13 and then of course it degenerated in a pattern that's becoming all too familiar. But what's interesting is that when you look at the rise and fall of the Roman civilization, you see it's tied right in with the rise and fall of the Roman civilization, you see it's tied right in with the natural changes of the planet. So the Roman civilization arose during a very warm period that a lot of the proxy evidence would suggest is warmer than it actually is now. It declined when that warm period ended.

Starting point is 00:35:44 And what transitioned, the transition, the natural climatic transition, environmental transition, that accompanied the decline of the Roman Empire, was to shift into the so-called dark ages, which we now know was literally sometimes actually dark. Probably as a result of a succession of huge volcanic eruptions, much greater even than the one that's behind me here on the backdrop, which is Mount St. Helens, which you know erupted in 1980 with the force of a 24 megaton hydrogen bomb, which is almost inconceivable.

Starting point is 00:36:19 But if you have a succession of volcanic eruptions, it will throw particulate matter into the atmosphere. That particulate matter then increases the atmospheric density, the opacity of the atmosphere, and begins reflecting heat back out into space. On the other hand, we also know now as a result of like 20 to going on 30 years of satellite observations of the sun, that the solar constant is a myth, and the solar constant was one of the fundamental cornerstones of the whole global warming scenario, was because we can exclude the Sun because it's constant, and because it's never changing, then it has no role to play in global climate. Well, that's a myth, and we know that.

Starting point is 00:37:02 Now, from observations that have accrued over the last 20 years with Soho and some of the other satellite observing systems that have been in place. Okay so there are multiple factors here. There are changes in the geomagnetic field that affect the climate. There are natural changes in ocean circulation that affect the climate. There are long-term shifts in the tectonic plates. The outgassing of carbon dioxide th th th dioxide th dioxide th dioxide th dioxide th dioxide th dioxide th dioxide th dioxide th dioxide th dioxide th dioxide th dioxide th dioxide th dioxide th dioxide th dioxide th dioxide th dioxide th dioxide thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi tho-over tho-over thi tho-o-o-o- in the tectonic plates, the outgassing of carbon dioxide directly from the crust, the outgassing of methane, the uptake of carbon dioxide by oceans. If the if the sun's activity declines over a period of several decades as it has done in the past, the the spora minimum, the moner minimum, the wolf minimum.

Starting point is 00:37:48 All of these have been times where the sun's activity has declined. And guess what, Sam? They also happen to be associated with periods of cold on planet Earth, right? If the sun goes into a state of, excuse me, in activity, the earth cools down, the oceans cool down. The solubility of carbon dioxide is dependent upon the temperature of the fluid. So if the oceans cool down, what they begin doing is they begin drawing down, they begin sucking out the carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

Starting point is 00:38:22 If the oceans warm up, they out gas. Now, if we go back and we look at this succession, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I,, and I, and I, and I, the the the the the the the ocean the ocean the ocean, their, the ocean, the ocean, the ocean, the ocean, the ocean, their, their, their, their coomkoole, thoomkoole, the ocean's coole, the ocean's cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool cool, their, their, their, their, their, the atmosphere. If the oceans warm up, they out gas. Now, if we go back and we look at this succession, and I'm going to go 2,000 years, we're going to block out 2,000 years, which to an astrologer would they say, this is the age of Pisces, you know, because for the last 2,000 years, the Vernal Equinox has been transiting through the constellation of Pisces, the fish. And so at the beginning of the age of Pisces, we find a lot of fish symbolism and so on, you know, fish symbolism at the basis of Christianity. We find it, you know, in the, in Hinduism and the form of Vishnu coming as a, as a fish. We find that fish symbolism embedded, which leads us into another very interesting realm, which is this idea of astromithology that our friend David Matheson talks

Starting point is 00:39:08 about which we won't have time to get into right now but taking this 2000 year block we have a warm period at the beginning associated with the rise of the Roman civilization. The warm period ends, the Dark Ages begin. There's also evidence that there might have been as many as at least two cosmic impacts on the Earth during the period between about 500 and 600 AD. Now there's a decade that began roughly around 536 AD and lasted for about, like I said, about a decade. That's probably the coldest decade

Starting point is 00:39:45 of the last 2,000 years, right? This was the onset of the dark ages. The, the, the, what then happened was the Roman, that was the final death knell for the Roman civilization. The cold weather accompanied by damp, caused collapses of agriculture. Crops rotted into fields. They got frozen out. So you had around between 536 and 540 AD, you had multiple years of crop failures. So what happens when you have crop failures?

Starting point is 00:40:19 There's not enough food eat. When people don't have enough food, then they get malnourished, their immune systems get weak. You now have infectious opportunistic diseases that can come in and take and exploit the reduced immunity. And so this is exactly what we see happened. In 544 AD was the onset of what's called the Justinian plague, and it wiped out at least a third the population of Europe. The cold and a damp lasted for about 300 years, and then it gave way to a period of increased warmth called the medieval warm period,

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Starting point is 00:41:34 Okay. Well, now, in Europe, you have the agricultural belt shifts 500 miles north. The viable band of growing in terms of elevation shifts six to seven hundred feet up elevation, right? What this does is expands the area of tillable land, viable agricultural land, it also increases the growing season by about a month or more, depending on where you are. There was a flourishing wine industry that developed in England that was not possible before or since.

Starting point is 00:42:12 So what you had was you had abundant food. Now people are getting a lot to eat, right? So if you look at what happens between 9100 and 1,100 AD, you see European population growing. You see lifesp spans increasing, infant mortality decreasing, you actually see an increase in human stature because of the fact that it was a time of abundance and prosperity. By 1130 AD, there was enough surplus that European society was able to organize itself around this phenomena of the great cathedral building. Now when you consider that there were eight great

Starting point is 00:42:48 monuments and at least 500 lesser abbeys built during the next 150 years you realize that there had to have been literally tens of thousands of highly trained crafts people working on this. I'm talking about you're not just the stone masons, the sculptors, the glaziers, the engineers, the astronomers, all of the people that were came together to create these amazing cathedrals were only able to do that because of the surpluses of in European society because for every person that was working and involved in that phenomenal project, there was probably a 10 people behind them creating the support structure, the food, the clothing, the shelter, so that they were free to create these architectural and artistic masterpieces.

Starting point is 00:43:37 Now what we see happening is that the phenomena is going strong, and then in about the late 1200s, the climate starts cooling. Not, notthen in about the late 1200s, the climate starts cooling. Not all at once, but kind of sporadically, here and there, they noticed that the winters are getting harsher. The summers are getting cooler. The growing season begins shrinking. By about 1,310, 1,314, there was a major shift now,

Starting point is 00:44:03 and essentially you can pinpoint right in there in that decade when the medieval warm period came to an end. And this was the beginning of the first phase of the little ice age, as it's called. Now up to this point, during the warm period, glaciers worldwide have been shrinking back, right? Shrinking back to where they're smaller than they are now. And we know that because the glaciers that are shrinking back now are revealing the remains of forests that had been growing there during these warm periods. That there was human communities in these places.

Starting point is 00:44:35 Mountain passes that were completely buried under ice for hundreds of feet. Now have opened up and we see that they were trade routes that were being used prolifically, you know, for centuries, right? So now the cooling comes in and between 1310 and 1320 you have a series of disastrous agricultural years. Crops, rotten to field. Same story repeats, right? So now people start going hungry hungry people get malnourished they're weakened their immune systems get weak and then what happens is that you have the opportunistic diseases and around 13 I think was around 1340 after a few decades of people not having enough to eat we see lifespans already shrinking we already see the the population beginning to contract but then when the the the people not having to eat. We see lifespans already shrinking. We already see the population beginning to contract.

Starting point is 00:45:28 But then when the early 1340s, the bubonic plague, also called the black plague, came in, and again, wiped out a third of the population of Europe. Some places, whole villages were completely annihilated. Another place is only half, but you know part of the problem was is that there was no labor force anymore and we see that the end of this magnificent period of medieval civilization that was producing these architectural masterpieces suddenly comes to an end and it comes to an end

Starting point is 00:45:57 because of a climate change that was probably initially brought on by a combination of two factors. Endogenic, meaning internal from the planet itself, exogenic from outside. So it looks like you had two things going on. One was a decline in solar activity, the other was an increase in volcanic activity. And it turns out the two may actually be correlated. The cooling earth may actually be a contributing factor to increased volcanism, which then of course introduces positive feedbacks and so for the next couple hundred years you had brutal conditions, people struggling to survive, the glaciers begin to grow again, you had whole villages that

Starting point is 00:46:41 were wiped out by the expanding glaciers. You had hundreds of farms that were lost to the encroaching mass of ice. People were going out there and performing rituals and having, you know, village prayers to try to stop the onset of the glaciers. You know, bishops and priests were going out there, you know, entreating God, please stop the onset of these glaciers. But the glaciers kept coming, they grew and they grew, until Sam, they were the biggest they had been in 10 or 11,000 years. Now that's during, now the Little Ice Age was in two phases. There was a remedial period in the middle that interestingly coincides precisely with the Renaissance and the upsurge in artistic activity and so on.

Starting point is 00:47:29 But then phase two kicked in and you had a series of, again, you had a series of very brutal winters, cool, wet summers. And this lasted right up until the early to mid-19th century. Now it's important for people to bear this in mind because when you start looking at graphs of climate change and temperature change, bear in mind, here's a fact. During the Little Ice Age, planetary temperature is declined by a minimum, a minimum of a degree and a half,

Starting point is 00:48:00 maybe as much as two to three degrees, right? Now, since the mid-1800s, climate has warmed by about a degree, no more than a degree and a half, depends again on where, you know, if you include the urban heat island, it's gonna look higher, if you factor that in, it's maybe just more than a degree. We have not even recovered from the decline in temperatures that were associated with the Little Ice Age. Now again, the glaciers, the biggest, the most massive the glaciers had been in 10,000 years. We know this because glaciers create moraine.

Starting point is 00:48:35 They leave a very distinct signature in the landscape. And those moraines can be dated because when a glacier comes on it picks up vegetation, trees, all of this kind of stuff. There's organic material in those moraines that can be dated. So we know that those glaciers got as big as they had been in 10 or 11,000 years. Interestingly, think about this, when we start measuring and talking about glacier recession, glaciers now compared to, oh, where they were in, you know, at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, well our point at which we're starting our measurements were the largest, most massive, most swollen the glaciers had been in 10,000 years. Most people don't realize that, right? And they don't

Starting point is 00:49:16 realize that when you go back and you look at these alternating periods of cool and warm climate that that the periods of warmth are invariably the times of human prosperity th prosperity th prosperity th prosperity th prosperity th prosperity th prosperity th prosperity th prosperity th prosperity th prosperity th prosperity th prosperity th prosperity th prosperity th prosperity th prosperity th prosperity the th prosperity th prosperity th prosperity th prosperity the th prosperity th prosperity th prosperity th prosperity th prosperity to th prosperity to to to thi that the periods of warmth are invariably the times of human prosperity and advancement, and the times of cold, the exact opposite. Here's the other factor. The climate of this planet is constantly dynamic. It is not going to stop changing, no matter what we do, no matter what the politicians in Washington do. The climate is not going to stop changing. It's either going to be cooler or it's going to be to be the to to to to to to to to to to be to be to to be to be to to be to to be to be to be to be to to be to the to be the the the the the the the the the the the the their their the do, the climate is not going to stop changing. It's either going to be getting cooler or it's going to be getting warmer.

Starting point is 00:49:48 If it starts getting cooler like it has done before, we're going to have some serious issues to deal with. And also when that little ice age conditions came back on, guess what happened with the sea ice from the Arctic Circle came down almost, Iceland was almost completely abandoned because they were completely cut off from mainland Europe. The colony in Greenland that had been there for 400 years of the medieval warming period, it went extinct. You know, they waited too long

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Starting point is 00:51:13 where it's desert now, right? When the cold weather came on, the demise of the Anasazan, if you go down there, I don't know Sam, if you've ever been down four corners area, San Juan Basin of New Mexico and seen some of the amazing stuff down there The the Kiva's and you know chocco you've heard of Chaco Canyon, right? Yeah, yes, yes Have you have you been there yet? No, I mean I've been to Tijuana Mexico City, that's about as far as I go? But after talking to you I've been every day, I write. What are my life goals? the their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. I. Have. Have. Have. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.................................. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah. I. Yeah. I. I. I. Yeah. I. Yeah. I. Yeah. I. Yeah. I. I. Yeah. I. Yeah. I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just realize I need to put on there, travel the world. Well, you go on the road a lot, but we don't go out and actually go into Houston, NASA, that was fun.

Starting point is 00:51:51 That was different. Yeah, but I need to like not go on work, meaning to do stand up and go to like see these amazing things around the world. I need to do that. Yeah, and start with, you know, start with what's right in our own backyard. I mean, you know, listen, we're going to be doing more tours, right, Graham? Yeah, you bet. I mean, we went to Chimney and did all that in the Chalko Caney. It was fantastic. All right. So, Sam, get your ass out of the studio, man and come out on a tour. I'm with you. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm with you. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. threat me with a good time. I'll definitely go do that in a heartbeat. So there's so much unpacking what you're talking about, you know, changing environments in terms of like how humans lived in respect to the environment. How quickly do you think these changes happened? Like are these small incremental or was it like the Earth kind of the the temperature changed quickly for the Earth not like turn on

Starting point is 00:52:51 light turn on off but more just like you know moves pretty quick that they they they should have seen it coming or they just come out of nowhere? Well when you again going up to the Greenland example you know the Inuit the native people they did adapt they changed their hunting they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they their their their their their their their their their their ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch ch-the ch-c. their their their chan. their chan chan chan. their chan. their chaned chan chan chan chan chan chan chan. their chan. their cha. their cha. their cha their ch. their ch. their ch. their ch. their ch. their ch. their ch. their ch. their ch. their ch. their ch. their ch. their ch. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their tea. their their tea. tea. their their their their their their their their theto the Greenland example, you know, the Inuit, the native peoples, they did adapt. They changed their hunting styles, they redesigned their boats. They did a bunch of things that allowed them to adapt. Now, the colony, the Scandinavian colony that was there, it was said, oh, one of the historians of the Greenland colony said, well, they sent a, oh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, theirnuiueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueuea, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, theueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueueue., the.e.a, the.a, the.a, thea, thea, thea, thea, today, today, today, today, today, thea, tha, threatea, tha, threatea, it was said, oh, one of the historians of the Greenland colony said, well, they sent a, oh, hell, what was it, a walrus home and to show them like what,

Starting point is 00:53:32 this is the, this is some of the, you know, some of the creatures we have here. Or maybe it was a moose. I don't remember what it was. It was some impressive animal. And in return, they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they sent they sent they sent they sent they sent they sent they sent a bishop. And so over the next hundred years, they kind of got entrenched into this very conservative Christianity that looked down upon the heathens, the native people that were the heathens.

Starting point is 00:53:55 And I think that was part of their demise, is because while the Inuit are busy adapting to the changing climate. And when I, you know, in this case, we're their their their their their their theiruit are busy adapting to the changing climate. And when I, you know, in this case, we're talking about, you know, decades, we're talking about a period lasting, you know, the full shift out of the medieval warm into the little ice age cold was about maybe a half a century, maybe 40 to 50 years. However, within that there were several more more or less, what you could say, catastrophic episodes where, you know, there might be the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. We're, th. We th. th. We th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. We th. We th. th. We th. th. th. th. the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the the the the the the the the te. the the today is. the. the. the. th. th. th. that there were there were several more or less what you could say, catastrophic episodes where you know there might be an extreme freeze with massive snowfall. Again it wasn't uniform around the planet at the same time. However, we can see that the Anasazi culture and the medieval culture of

Starting point is 00:54:40 Europe and the Middle Ages pretty much rose together and then collapsed together at the same time. And it ties right in with the changing climate. And here's something else that's interesting, Sam, when we talk about these, you know, here was a European culture building these magnificent Gothic cathedrals. And then you had these very impressive structures being built in the southwestern deserts, whose center, whose hub was Chaco Canyon. Well when you being looking at those, as I have done and studied it from the standpoint

Starting point is 00:55:11 of architectural design, what's interesting, here we can talk about Gothic cathedals, we can talk about Pueblo and culture in the southwest, we can talk about the Incan culture, we can talk about the Mayan culture, we can talk about the Vedic culture in the Indus River Valley, we can talk about the Samarian culture, we can talk about the megalithic culture of ancient Europe like in England. And when talking about those, we're looking at a spread of three to five thousand years, geographically arrayed around the entire planet. Now one of the things that I find just mind-boggling and beyond coincidence. Maybe it's a coincidence. If it is coincidence, we have to redefine what we mean by coincidence,

Starting point is 00:55:57 but it's this. Even though you look at what they were doing in Egypt, and obviously if I showed you a picture an Egyptian temple and a monumental earthwork of the Mississippi Valley, you wouldn't have any problem at all differentiating between them. If I showed you Egyptian architecture and I showed you Mayan temple architecture, you could with a few glances you know, be able to differentiate. Same with any of the other structures that I would show you. We could go into standing rings in England. We could go into the tumuli. We could go into, you know, some of the ancient earthwork structures, you know, in the Ohio River Valley.

Starting point is 00:56:32 I mean, the list goes on. Okay, the outer forms, now get this, the outer forms are all very distinct, very unique onto the culture that created them. And yet, here's the remarkable the remarkable the remarkable the remarkable the remarkable the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their, their, their, their, the remarkable thing. Once you begin to analyze the design, which included a very distinct criteria, for example, no structure, particularly that had a sacred function, was just cited randomly. It was cited according to the geomantic properties of the site. In other words, they would send their shamans, their holy men, their seers, whoever these guys were in their particular society out and they would map the energy of the landscape and they would find that point that in the Greeks,

Starting point is 00:57:15 you know, the Greeks basically were doing the same thing with their temples, right? The Greeks had the term Omphelos, which meant the naval center. So they would have a plot of land that was considered to be the sacred realm, the sacred precinct. Within that, they find the naval center, the omephalos, the belly button, if you will, and just like a fetus grows from that naval center by cellular accreation, they would find that naval center, they would establish a pole or a post in that center. And the idea was, and we can look at some images here in a minute, the whole process was symbolized through the, the, um, okay, just a delivery man coming to my door. Do you want to go grab it real quick? No, no, no, it's fine. It's all good. It's all good. All right. So anyways, they put in the pole, right? The idea is,

Starting point is 00:58:13 and they always had a very typical, universally a symbol for the energies moving through the landscape and it was always symbol by a serpent or a dragon. Its counterpart was that there was a cosmic dimension to the serpent or the dragon, and it was always associated with activity in the sky, primarily asteroids, bolides, meteorites, comets, things like that. But what they were trying to do, and they did this in ancient China as well,

Starting point is 00:58:40 by the insertion of that pole, whatever it might be into the insertion of that pole, whatever might be into the ground, they're fixing the dragon lines, right? That was the first step. Now, once you had that pole, you now began to make observations between that position on the surface of the earth and the cosmos. And the primary fundamental relationship was between earth and sun. So now what you do is you've got that pole in the ground, you draw a circle around it, which could be done by means of a knotted rope, a chain, a number of ways, right?

Starting point is 00:59:13 You draw a circle around it, and by tracking the motion of the shadows, you set up a series of angular relationships that's unique to that position on the planet. Those angular relationships thanguuuuuuual relationships thangual relationships thangual relationships thangual relationships thangual relationships tha relationships tha tha tho relationships thoal relationships thoal relationships thoal relationships thoan an an an an an an an an an an an an an an an an an an an an an an an an an a that's that's that's that's that's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, the, the, the, theananananana. theanana. theanana. theananaugh, the, the, thean.ean. that's thean. that's thean. that's the planet. Those angular relationships can now be extended to the horizon. And what they were doing was creating, they used what was called a horizon calendar, and they all did this, a horizon calendar, so that the rising and setting and the setting of the sun

Starting point is 00:59:36 at the auspicious times of the year, solstice is equinoxes, the rising and setting of auspiciar groupings like the Pleiadesiatesliadesiates pliates pliates pliates pliates pliates pliates pliades.., the pliades., thia pliades.6 year cycle, the rising and setting of auspicious stars and star groupings like the Pleiades or the Dog Star, all of those would be marked on the horizon at the critical lines would radiate out. So with that combination of lines, that created the mapping for the ground plan of the layout of the temple, of the city, of the city, of the city, of the city, of the city, and the the the city, and the the the the the city, and the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the created the mapping for the ground plan of the layout of the temple, of the city, of the civilization. And here's the thing, Sam, that to me is almost miraculous. All over the ancient world for 4,000 years, they were all working from the same template.

Starting point is 01:00:21 So my question is with that because that's what I wanted to get into. So on the show we've had people talk about something called Tataria and stuff like that which was an ancient civilization that was connected and it was all over the world and this is part of what has been rewritten in our history. Is it possible that even though these civilizations were in different places, that there is a possible common thread to connect them, that they were more connected than maybe our information would allow us to understand at this moment? Like is there technology that's beyond us to help understand that possibly, and I don't know

Starting point is 01:01:01 if you can answer this, but that possibly they were more connected than we are led to believe? Oh, I think that that that that that that that that that that that that that th th i th i th i th i thi thi thi thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is thi is a possible is a possible is a possible is a possible is a possible is a possible is a possible is a possible is a possible is a possible is a possible is a possible is the possible is a possible is their is a possible is a possible is a possible is a possible is a possible is a possible is a possible is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th. is th. is th. th. th. th. thi is thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. you can answer this, but that possibly they were more connected than we are led to believe. Oh, I think that absolutely, this is powerful evidence that in some way they were more connected. Now, I'm not necessarily saying that the Puebloan culture of the Southwest was connected to the Gothic culture of medieval Europe, or that they were necessarily connected with,

Starting point is 01:01:25 let's say, the Vedic culture of ancient India. What I am saying, though, is that somehow they all had access and were working from a common set of specifications, if you want to look at it that way. And again, I'll emphasize the outer forms that these, that these structures and so on would take are very diverse and very distinct to each culture.

Starting point is 01:01:48 But underlying them, you've got this template template come from. Now, to me, that template shows a very sophisticated working knowledge of geometry, astronomy, geology, far in advance of what we would have been giving these ancient people's credit for, even a few decades ago. Now, if you go into the mythology of many of these cultures, again, you find another common theme, was that there were people, if you want to call them that, in some cases it's people. In others, it's gods, whatever is meant by gods, who, like right here in my backyard, there's a mountain called Blood Mountain that used to be sacred to the Cherokee Indians, right? I don't know if it's still there, but years and years ago when I used to hike up there,

Starting point is 01:02:33 there was an old tattered sign at the base of the mountain, talking about the Cherokee legend of that mountain, right? Blood Mountain, which immediately kind of invokes interesting pictures of Grail mythology, holy Grail mythology, things like that. You know, the importance of blood in a lot of, you said you studied occult rituals, blood was an important component. You know, mystic Christianity, the blood of Christ, plays a very important role, etc. So this was Blood Mountain, right? At the base of that mountain, at the head of the trail, was an old tattered sign that recounted the legend of the Nunahai.

Starting point is 01:03:15 Now, according to the Cherokee, the Nunahai were the people that the word translated, essentially as the people who could travel anywhere. And it was these, the Nunahide that came and essentially bequeathed to them, this legacy of, you know, their creation myths and their origins and their prophecies and things like that, right? Well, if you go to the Celtic traditions, right, of ancient Ireland and Wales, you find a very similar, you know, you find a tua de d'anan, right? Interestingly, if you take the word apart, you know, just like the Anunaki in the Sumerians, you know, the Anasazi, even the words, the and in each case, it's the ancient ones. Now the modern Navajo because the hoopies and the Zunis tend to be, claim, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, you know, you know, the, the, the, you, you, you, you know, the, the, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the, the, the, the, the, you, you, you, the, you, the, the, the, the, the, the, you, the, the, you, the, you, you, you, you, the, you, you, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,. Now, the modern Navajo, because the Hopis and the Zunis tend to be claim, you know, descendancy from the Anasazi and there is a

Starting point is 01:04:11 conflict and competition between the Navajo tribes and the Zuni and Hopi tribes. The Navajo have been basically, their term for Anasazi means the ancient enemy. But that gets down to territorial conflicts between the tribes and the southwest. I don't necessarily think that that has any real bearing on the idea that all of these cultures had this, had this, the Egyptians of course. How did they learn about astronomy? How did they learn about mathematics? How did they learn about agriculture and farming and all of this? Well, according to their own mythology, Osiris and Isis and the various gods,

Starting point is 01:04:52 Tahoeut came and taught them this. So who were, you know, okay, now here's the other aspect. You know, I'm very much into mythology. So when I find out, and I've studied for years, the fact that cultures from all over the world have apocalyptic traditions, they have world destruction mythology, usually by flood, but often by fire, those were the two ways that the earth was destroyed. In the Greek traditions it was Ekperusus was destruction of the world by fire. The root of that word is pyro, which of course means fire,

Starting point is 01:05:28 echperusis, or cataclysmos, and cataclysmose was destruction of the world by water. Well, I can show you, in, you know, hundreds, if not thousands of different examples, yes, there have been repeated world-destroying floods that have engulfed this planet. Now, not in the oversimplified Christian model if there was this supernatural rise of water to the highest peaks of the planet, and then it just as mysteriously disappeared.

Starting point is 01:05:59 No, what we can though see is, for example, during the end of the last ice age, you had 6 million cubic miles of ocean water,, th......... th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi and, thiolololololid, th, thi, and, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and, th, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, th and, and, thi and, and, and, thi and, and, thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, thi, thi, thi, thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiioliioliiolioliolioli, thiolioli, during the end of the last ice age, you had six million cubic miles of ocean water drawn out of the ocean basins and locked onto the continents in the form of these great ice sheets. Right? The kinetic energy, the potential, let me say, the potential energy in six million cubic miles of water frozen onto the planetary surface. As much as two miles above the planetary surface,

Starting point is 01:06:30 that potential energy is almost inconceivable. Now, if we go back to the end of the ice age, you asked me a question earlier about the rates and the speeds at which these changes can take place. The onset of the younger dryas took place in probably less than five years. The termination of the younger dryas took place in probably less than five years. The termination of the younger dryus, same thing. Maybe even as little as a year, one year, right? Now, one of the things that happened was some, in some unexplicable way, there was a massive energy dump into the global environment.

Starting point is 01:07:00 Whatever the source of that energy dump, and it could have been solar, it could have been impacts from cosmic debris, possibly even a combination of both again. One of the results was you had massive melting of the great ice complex over, not only over North America, but over Northwestern Europe. Massive rapid catastrophic melting. And it now appears that the disappearance of that ice. And you have to picture Sam now we're talking about ice that's minimum, as massive as the ice that now mantles the South Pole of the planet, put together with the ice sheet over Greenland and you take those, you

Starting point is 01:07:42 put them over North America, you still don't have as much ice. In other words, it was more than double the amount of glacial ice on the planet. Wow. More than double. More than double. Now, here's the bizarre part. You go back, the late glacial maximum is, you know, 17,000 to 20,000 years ago. Well, by 10,000 years ago, most of that ice is gone. Now, there's a serious problem here, and that is this. It requires heat energy to melt ice. And I can show you some very interesting research that was done in the early 70s. When radiocarbon dating first started becoming available, you know, radiocarbon dating was invented in, you know, radio carbon dating was invented in the late 40s.

Starting point is 01:08:27 By the late 60s and early 70s, enough radiocarbon dating had accumulated that allowed researchers to go, wait a second. We were assuming that this ice mass over North America was 100 or 200,000 years old. But now we've got radiocarbon dating from plants that were growing almost under the center of the ice sheet 40,000 years ago, 35,000 years ago. Right? This completely threw a wrench into the old models that we'd inherited from the 19th century about rates of change. So one of the things is with radiocarbon dating, the time span to get rid of the ice. It's one thing if you're saying we got 100 or 200,000 years to get rid of this massive ice.

Starting point is 01:09:12 But what happens when that shrinks to 10,000 years or 5,000 years? Because the problem is the energy requirements. And so there was a conference and several papers written in the early 70s defining the energy paradox. And the energy paradox is where the hell did all that energy come from to accelerate this massive melting, rapid melting of the great ice sheets. And a couple of conferences were held and no conclusions were reached. So the whole thing was kind of put on the shelves and then forgotten about.

Starting point is 01:09:45 It's so crazy because the question gets, does it get, I mean like maybe I'm just super paranoid, but like when the information comes out that traditional thought is incorrect and the traditional thought helps the people very powerful and rich at the top, keep a certain narrative going. Sometimes that stuff gets shelved, right? They don't want that out because they have a certain narrative going on right now that they want that because they're profiting off of that. And we see that right now with global warming, climate change. You know, that this notion that humans are creating this insane, insane increase in temperature.

Starting point is 01:10:33 And we have to do something about it, and the answer is the taxing us on carbon emissions. And there's just things that Bill Gates wants to do that just, I what is that doesn't make any sense you want to black out the sun don't we need sun to produce oxygen don't we need carbon dioxide to produce oxygen I mean what is going on here and it's just all this stuff that just they just want to control us and I don't even think it's about money because these people who are doing it have all the money. It's just this weird kind of power play that seems to be going on to make us think we're all super helpless. And you know all the stuff you're talking about just lets me know that there's so much more in the world that like we're so much more special and so much more intelligent than they're letting us to believe. the to believe. to believe to believe to believe to believe to believe to believe to believe to believe to believe the believe to believe the believe to believe the believe the believe to believe the the to believe the to believe the the the the the th to believe. It th. It. It. It's thi. It's thi thi. It's thi thi this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this and so much more intelligent than than

Starting point is 01:11:28 letting us to believe and I wonder if I got to ask you Randall do you see that we're entering a more a warmer time based on what the earth is doing and will that lead to another great time in civilization? It could. I mean, it absolutely could. What we have basically seen over the last century to century half is a amelioration of the extremely harsh conditions of the Little Ice Age. And this has been a good thing.

Starting point is 01:12:02 I mean, you know, if we go back and we look at the projections of the vegetation, the planetary vegetation canopy from the 1970s, it was predicted that through deforestation primarily, what was going to happen was, you know, the predictions were that there was going to be a major diminishment in the area of the planet covered by forests, for example. Well, you know, then come the 80s in the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the vegetation the the vegetation the vegetation the the vegetation the vegetation the vegetation the vegetation the vegetation the vegetation the vegetation the vegetation the vegetation, the vegetation, the vegetation, the vegetation, the vegetation, the vegetation, the vegetation, the vegetation, the planetary, the planetary, the planetary, the planetary, the planetary, the planetary, the planetary, the planetary, the planetary, the planetary, the planetary, the vegetation, the vegetation, the vegetation, the vegetation, the vegetation, the vegetation, the vegetation, the vegetation, the the the the the the the the the the the vegetation, the the the the the vegetation, the the the the the the the the the the the the thary vegetation, the thary thary tha, planetary, planetary, planetary, planetary, planetary, their their their their their their their tha, planetary, planetary, planetary, planetary, their their their their vegetation, the planet covered by forests, for example. Well, you know, then come the 80s and the 90s and we start putting earth observing satellites in orbit and we start keeping track of the actual number of hectares of a forest. I'm using this as an example. Well, what has happened now is that we're realizing

Starting point is 01:12:46 that in fact, it went the opposite way. Rather than forest declining and forest growth declining, it's increased by 20 to 30% planet wide. I mean, in other words, there's been a greening of the earth in the last century. Bear in mind now, during the late glacial maximum, the peak in the last century. Bear in mind now, during the late glacial maximum, the peak of the ice age, again, remember how he said when the oceans get cold, they suck in carbon dioxide.

Starting point is 01:13:14 Carbon dioxide levels during the little ice age got down below 200 parts per million. You know what happens when carbon dioxide gets below 200 parts per million? Photosynthesis starts shutting down. Now, if we had a long period of, like, at the very lowest point, 180 parts per million, well, 180 parts per million, farming starts becoming impossible. Oh, no. Yes, yes.

Starting point is 01:13:41 Now, you look through most of Earth history, carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere have ranged between 1,000 and 7,000 parts per million. It's only with the onset of the so-called Pleistocene epoch, 2.6 million years ago, when the planet shifted from a long protracted period of global warmth into this oscillating thing that we're stuck in now, it seems like, because at least a dozen times throughout the last 2.6 million years of the Pleistocene, the planet has shifted between full glacial and interglacial ages, such as we're in now.

Starting point is 01:14:22 We still don't understand. We thought we did. Okay, it's changing orbital geometries, right? The tilt of the planet on its axis, the shape of the elliptical orbit, things like that. The problem is, Sam, is that those processes are very slow. It takes a long time, tens of thousands of years for those to play out. When we look at the younger driest boundary of, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thia, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, toge, toge, toge, toge, ta, ta, ta, the the the the the the the the the the thia, the thia, the, the, thia, thia, thia, thia, ta, ta, toge, thi. toge, toge, toge, toge, toge, toge, toge, toge, toge, toge, toge, toge thousands of years for those to play out. When we look at the younger driest boundary of 12,900 years ago, we're seeing planetary shifts of 10 degrees centigrade, which is 18 degrees Fahrenheit taking place in less than five years.

Starting point is 01:14:57 What the hell is going on? See, we don't have an answer to that yet. But what we do realize now is that there have been things and events that have happened in this planet's history.......... I. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I, th. thi. thi. thi. th. th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. th. th. th. th. th. t. t. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. And, the. theto that yet. But what we do realize now is that there have been things and events that have happened in this planet's history, they've been a hell of a lot faster than anybody had even begun to imagine a few decades ago, a generation or two ago. When I came up, was getting educated, Earth change was described as one grain of sand, one drop of water at a time, and if you got millions and millions of years, you can accumulate enough change that you end up with the planetary landscape we have now, which is the culmination of these long, slow, interminably slow processes. Now, it may be punctuated here and thereby regional catastrophe,

Starting point is 01:15:41 such as what's behind me right here, but that's only a regional event. It's not a global event. Right. No, when we're looking at the younger dryest, we're talking about a global event and we're talking about that that younger dryest event pretty much wiped out the great megafauna of the planet. You know, North America, think about this Sam, North America during the, the Pleasto see, had more megafonal species species, th. th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thuinal, thuinal, thuinal, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thage, thage, thage, the that, thr-a, thrace, the, thri-a, thri-a, thri-a, thi, the, the, the, thi, thrine, thrine, thi, thi, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the region, the region, the region, the region, they, they. they. they. toge, they, they. toge, toge, toge, toge, they, they, thr-a, they, they, they, thr-the, throughout the Pleistocene, had more megafunnel species than the Serengeti Plain of Africa does now. There were four species of proboscidians in North America. Probocidians are long noses, elephants, right? You had Colombian mammoth, imperial mammoth, you had the woolly mammoth, you had mastodons, right? They're all wiped out. Now, you can argue about did they all go all at once

Starting point is 01:16:27 or was it extended over maybe a period of centuries or even a millennia or two? I lean towards that direction, but I don't believe it was in a sense a natural phenomenon. I don't buy the idea that, you know, spear-wielding Birkenstock wearing nomadic hunters wiped out 12 million woolly mammoths, especially when you realize that the estimates of global population was between 5 and 10 million, you know, men, women and children.

Starting point is 01:16:56 So were the toddlers out there with their spears taken down woolly mammoths? I don't think so. But interesting, they pretty much are all gone right at that younger driest boundary. And that's something we should talk about because in 2007 there was a paper published about a possible extraterrestrial cause for the megafonal mass extension. Oh, snap.

Starting point is 01:17:16 Here we go, we're in it. It's what we're talking about. This what we came for. What do you think it is, dude? I I I I I'm totally down with this. Really? What did the papers say? Yeah, it's all tied in with everything we've been talking about.

Starting point is 01:17:31 Yep, so, okay, so somewhere around 25 or 30 years ago, after I'd been looking at these catastrophes, I concluded, you know what, it seems to me that the most likely explanation is has to be something something something something something something, probably in impacts. I began collecting material that I thought supported the notion that there was some kind of a impact or series of cosmic type impacts at the end of the last ice age. When I made my first, what I would call scientific traverse of the, of the flood landscapes, of the Pacific Northwest, what I was looking for was evidence that there had been this sudden catastrophic meltdown. That was 1998. 1999. Now that 98 expedition was to eastern Washington and western Montana looking at the evidence for the flood

Starting point is 01:18:20 landscapes there, the so-called channel scabllands, the Lake Missoula area of western Montana. The following year, I went to British Columbia in Alberta because I had concluded that the source of the floods was there, that something had caused a catastrophic meltdown of the great ice sheets over the Canadian Rockies. And by looking at the pathwaters of the meltwaters as they extended out of the flood the flood the Canadian Rockies. And by looking at the pathwaters of the melt waters as they extended out of the central Canadian Rockies, there's a plateau region up there that the town of St. George, Prince George is located, right?

Starting point is 01:19:00 So I noticed that all of the waterways emanated radially from that really chaotic zone. And I began to think, is that possibly an impact site? Did something strike the earth there? Well, since then, now this was, you know, 20 years ago, this was, I came to, by studying maps, I'd come to this conclusion in the early 90s. By 99, I'd made the first field traverse of that area and what I found up there convinced me that I was on the right track. Now 2007 here comes Richard Firestone's paper and Douglas Kennett's and Alan West and

Starting point is 01:19:36 those guys who are now the core of the comet research group published a paper no probably in Geological Society of America Journal, I forget where, 2007, proposing that the extinction event was caused by an extraterrestrial impact. Now, that ignited a firestorm of controversy, which is not abated to this day. However, however, what has happened is as the evidence is accrued, now they're proposing an outrageous hypothesis. And up to this point, you know what the dominant paradigm is, is that the human hunters were somehow responsible in a very ill-defined way, right?

Starting point is 01:20:19 Somehow they did this, somehow they were able to wipe out woolly mammoths over half the land surface of the planet within a couple of thousand years, you know, using spears, they're on foot. It just didn't make any sense. Didn't make any sense at all, and still doesn't. The problem is, Sam, is that that that paradigm started becoming more mainstream, even though it was believed in the 60s, 50s, 60s even the 70s, that, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, and th, and th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, th, th, th, th, th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and thi., and thi. And then, thi. And, thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. And thi. And, thi it was believed in the 60s, 50s, 60s, even the 70s, it was becoming discredited by the turn of the century. And the reason of that is because it just didn't make sense. Like I pointed out, I mean, if you've got more mammoths in the world, and you actually do people. And of those, you know, how, and of those people, you know, how many of those are actually out there hunting mammoths?

Starting point is 01:21:06 Well, well, it's known that they were, they were fishing, they were hunting small game primarily, they were hunter, they were, you know, subsistence gathering. So, why would you go after the most dangerous animal, right? Well, the idea was becoming discredited until, until you had the eco and environmental factions coming together around this idea of the sixth great mass extinction. In Earth's history, there have been five so-called great mass extinctions. What? Three quarters to 95% of all species on earth get wiped out. Everybody knows about the dinosaur extinction, the KT extinction of 66 million years ago, which is now almost conclusively tied to at least one great impact which has left this

Starting point is 01:21:57 buried astrobleem in the northern Yucatan Peninsula, right? There were probably multiple impacts clustered around that particular Cretaceous tertiary boundary, right? Wiped out the dinosaurs, blanket the whole planet with an iridium dust. This is how they first found it, was because they were looking at a KT outcrop in Italy, and found this abundant, 100 times more abundant, excuse me,

Starting point is 01:22:29 abundant iridium than you would normally find in the background, right? So they go, okay, here's a spike of iridium, a hundred times more greater than we normally would find. Well, the radium is extraterrestrial in origin. So that was the first clue. So they argued back and forth and eventually they found the smoking gun.. they they the the the the the the the gun............... they they the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thumumumumumumumum. thuant. theiruant, theiru. U. I. thu. thu. U. thi. U. thi. U. thi, thi, thi, thi. th. thuuuant th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. te. te. te. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. tea. te origin. So that was the first clue, right? So they argued back and forth and eventually they found the smoking gun, which was this gigantic 150 mile wide astrobleem under the limestone

Starting point is 01:22:55 sedimentary cap rock of the Yucatan peninsula, the damn thing is there. In fact, the whole ring of Sinotes that were sacred to the Mayan culture marks the boundary of that circular astrobleam that's buried under a half a mile of limestone. That's a whole other interesting topic and conversation that we could get into because what the rituals that the Mayans were doing associated with those cenotes, those sinkholes, were very, very suggestive. But that would probably be another conversation. All right, man, you're always welcome back to that.

Starting point is 01:23:30 Yeah, I'd love to do that. That's crazy, man. This whole thing is nuts. Now, I know you're a science guy. How much of do you dwell into the, you know, extraterrestrial life? You brought up Anonaki before we've had people come on talking about ancient civilizations, the Samarian tablets, stuff like that that talk about a great reset by the gods. Do you have any thoughts on any of that or is that just not into your, what, scientifically able to prove? Like, you know, land, scientifically able to prove. Like, you know, land, lay lines, you know,

Starting point is 01:24:08 Tesla lay lines and all that stuff? When I mentioned earlier the idea about geomantic mapping, the insertion of the pole, yes. Typically, the insertion of the pole would be where two lines crossed or you had a conjunction of multiple lines, and there's a geological component to that, the work of Paul Devereaux, which I interviewed with him old years, probably 10 years ago. That's what he was researching and discovered that just as there's an

Starting point is 01:24:36 astronomical dimension to the siting and orientation of these ancient sacred complexes, there's also a geological component as well. And they seem to be associated with fracture lines and fault lines and so on, which is interesting because if you have a fracture in the crust of the earth, this is where water, you know, the subterranean hydrosphere, where water moves, you know, there's an enormous amount of water in the crust, and it moves through the crust. Well, it moves through the zones of the the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the freaute, thracea, thraceaute, thracea, thracea, thracea, and thracea, and the, and the fria, and the fria, and the fria, thia, thia, thracea, thia, thracea, thia, thia, thia, thrace, thrace, thrace, thrace, thracea, thracea, thracea, thracea, thracea, thracea, thracea, thracea, and thracea, and thracea, and thracea, and thracea, and thracea, and thracea, thrace know, there's an enormous amount of water in the crust and it moves through the crust. Well it moves through the zones of least resistance which are typically the fault lines and the fractures in the earth.

Starting point is 01:25:14 The only different fracture is simply a crack, a static crack, whereas a fault line they're moving with respect to each other, that's the main difference. So now, Sam, you know the difference between a fracture and a fault line because you will be tested on this at some point. Bam, bum, bomb, bomb. But water moving underground sets up interesting energy property. It has effects in the geomagnetic fields. It has piezo electric effects.

Starting point is 01:25:43 These things can actually now be mapped. You know, there's a very long, hallowed tradition of water witching or dousing, which you probably have heard of. I have seen dousers in action that convince me there's something to it. I have a very interesting story years ago. One of my first contract projects, I was building a boat barn here outside of Atlanta up on the Chattahoochee River, and it was going to be a pole barn. And so I had got in a hold of somewhere. I don't even remember, I've gotten a hold of 15 telephone poles that had perhaps been, I don't know, decommissioned or something. So I had 15 telephone poles so I came up with a 15, I their to 15, I toe. I'm toe. I'm toe. I'm toe. I'm toe. I'm toe. I'm toe. I'm toe. I'm their their. I'm their. I'm th. 15 their. 15 thiole. 15 toe. 15 thi. 15 their. 15 thiole. 15 their 1 1 1 1. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15 their. 15 their. 15 their. 15, I'm a their. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. 15. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a toe. I'm a toe. I'm a thiaa. I'm a total. I'm a total. I'm a total. I'm a totale. I'ma. I'ma. I'ma. I'ma. I'ma. I'ma. I'ma. I'ma. I'ma. I'ma. I'ma. I'ma. I'ma. I'ma. I'ma. I'ma. I'ma. I'ma. I don't remember where I got him. So I had 15 telephone poles, so I came

Starting point is 01:26:25 up with a design where I'm going to have three rows of five each, you know, vertically set into the ground, and then I'll hang the structure, I'll run Perlins around, and then I'll build my structure, basically build a pole barn, right? So I had a flat surface there and I drove a stake. I went out there with my little transit, my builders level, and I laid out each spot where I wanted to have one of these poles set. So back then, the local telephone company that we called Ma Bell had a truck. They would come out with an auger on it. And for $15, they would auger a hole and they would set your pole for you in the hole. So I called my bell, told me I want to come out on such and such

Starting point is 01:27:14 a day and set these poles for me. And in the meantime, then I drove a stake where I wanted each of the poles to be placed. So the day comes, they arrive, they come in their official, you know, mob belt truck with the big auger drill on the back. You know, they're, you know, they're boomed that they were able to set the lift and set the poles with. The truck pulls up to the site. And first guy that gets out, this tall, I mean, he had to been 6566, skinny guy wearing an old crumpled hat, overalls, gets out of the truck, he's carrying something that looks like a violin case. I'm thinking, who's this guy? Then the other two guys get out wearing your mob bell uniforms,

Starting point is 01:28:01 right? The guy comes down, stops this hello, whatever, you know, in a real strong southern accent, opens his violin case and he takes out his dousing rods. And they were nothing more than the old-fashioned car antennas with the little ball on the end, you know, the telescoping kind. So what he had done was he had, you know, cut off about six inches where he could hold it in his hand

Starting point is 01:28:28 of the sleeve, and then he had taken the outer part and he had bent at 90 degrees. So he had a pair of those. So here's what he does. Now, I'm like, God, what was I then? Maybe 23, 24 years old. And I'm like, like gullible and I'm like, my first thought is, are these guys pulling some fast, fast one on me or, you know, I had no idea. I mean, I had heard of water witching, but I never really knew what it was or had certainly

Starting point is 01:28:55 never seen anybody in action. So he's holding me. They're just kind of waving, kind of, you know, back and forth, kind of in a relaxed fashion. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and th....... And, and th. And, and th. And, and th. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. And, th. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi's, thi's, thi's, thi's, thi's, thii's, thi's, thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi. And, of, you know, back and forth, kind of in a relaxed fashion. And he's walking and he goes over each of the stakes I had driven into ground. And as he goes over, you know, he would step across and then he would yell up to the two guys at the truck, clear. So he went over all 15 of my stakes and every one of them was clear. He then starts walking, which would have been to the west and there was the driveway coming into the property, was to the west side of the of the

Starting point is 01:29:36 the building site there. And I knew that somewhere in that vicinity the water main came into the property. Okay so he's walking across the driveway. Now to my knowledge this guy's never been there before. He's walking across the driveway and all of a sudden and I'm watching. I'm watching very close like what is what's going on here? What's this guy doing? He steps across this zone and then the the the antennae that thi are just kind of you know oscillating, the id id id id id id. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the to the the the the the the the the to the to to to to the to the the the the the the to the the the the zone and then the antenna that are just kind of, you know, oscillating idly back and forth. All of a sudden they cross and they do this. They bend, almost as if somebody was holding the ends of them and putting them under tension.

Starting point is 01:30:19 They bent like that. And he goes, I forget what he said, something like water main or something to that effect. He steps I forget what he said, something like water main or something to that effect. He steps across and as he steps across, they go from being under tension bent like a back to doing this. Then what he does is he walks in a zigzag fashion and each time he crossed the water main you could see those antenna whipping into an X and bending like that. So he was able to trace out that water main coming in and I'm standing there with my mouth open like what in the, what am I seeing here? And he goes, son, come here, son, come here you want to try this?

Starting point is 01:31:02 I'm like, who me? Sure, I'll give it a shot. What the hell? He gives him to me. And I'm like, totally like, in this zone of like, totally not knowing what to expect. I look back now and just, you know, basically dumb innocence. I stepped across where that water main was, basically dumb innocence. I stepped across where that water main was and it was like I got a shock and it was so surprising

Starting point is 01:31:30 to me because it literally felt like somebody grabbed the ends of these antenna. And I was able to trace that water main out just like you. Now I've tried dousing multiple times since then and have never gotten the response anywhere close to that first time. I don't know why that is. But I've since then, I've given lectures to dousing groups and I've known others. I met a Marine at one point who said in Vietnam they had dousers that could actually find buried landmines.

Starting point is 01:32:03 I don't know if that's true, but that's what he told me, and I had no reason to doubt him. But anyways, you can go in and you can look at all the, you know, the skeptics, you know. We're gonna say, well, you know, that's been all disproven and all of that. Well, where has it been disproven? You know, we can actually see that there is a long tradition

Starting point is 01:32:28 of people who have the requisite sensitivity being able to actually detect not only water underground, but different kinds of metals and ores and rock types. You know, in the middle ages and so on, they were using dousing techniques to find hidden oars and metals. The mining operation employed dousers, you know, which you could call the, the, the the the, the, the the the their their their their their their their their their to find hidden ores and metals. The mining operation employed dousers, you know, which you could call geomancers, if you will. Now, I don't think if this was completely bogus, Ma Bell would be coming out using a douser to tell them where it was safe to drill if there wasn't some sort of credibility or validity to the whole process. So having studied into it quite a bit since, and yeah, I think that we can say, yeah, there is there is an energy

Starting point is 01:33:13 field that suffuses this planet, and it's not just random, it's connected not only with the sub-surface, the subterranean geological structure, it's also influenced by what's going on out there. So that when you have, you know, particular times of the year when the sun, or think about this, we all know that the moon that the moon causes tides, right? And you know, you can see places where the tides will sometimes come up four, five or six feet. It's totally in sync with the moon and the orbit of the moon around the planet. Well think about this.

Starting point is 01:33:49 I just said in the hydrosphere, there's an enormous amount of water. Do you think that that water in those subterraining realms is not also being affected by tidal forces? Of course it is, right? And I think that those title forces, this this ebbing and this pulsing throughout the Earth's crust of the hydrosphere was actually being mapped by ancient people. And they were able to correlate the changes in the hydrosphere below our feet with the changes in the cosmic environment above our heads. And that right there, to me, would be the fruitful place to look for what their ancient science may have evolved out of that correlation of these two realms, the terrestrial in the extraterrestrial.

Starting point is 01:34:33 And how they may be able to have predicted catastrophes, like with building, go back to Le Tepe or the pyramids or whatever. Yeah, and predicting catastrophes was certainly part of it, because, you know, look, where we went, Graham was talking about this place, Chimney Rock. This is southern Colorado, it's two great pinnacle rocks. And there is an observatory built on a ridge that cites between those two rocks. And by means of that, those two rocks, and a ridge behind you, right, to your east, you could map the movements of the sun and the moon with tremendous precision.

Starting point is 01:35:15 So on certain days the sun would shine between those two rocks and on the ridge behind you in the distance. They had built a series of towers. And this was the ridge behind you in the distance, they had built a series of towers. And this was their calendar. So a shaft of sunlight would come between these two pinnacle rocks and on auspicious days that shaft of sunlight would illuminate a tower. It must have been a, well, you were there, right, Graham? You, you, you, you, you, you,

Starting point is 01:35:41 yeah. You, you, you, you, you, you're with me that that must have been a phenomenal thing to witness. Or how to build it. I mean, I don't even know how they would build it. That's the whole thing is like the mysterious, how mysterious it is that they could build all this stuff. And we just, when we look back, we think a snake goes down the temple when the sun comes out. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And that's how do you do that unless you have to have precise. Yeah, precision for sure. It's such so mysterious. Are you talking about the Castillo at Chichonitza where when the sun comes up, yeah, that's a actually occurs on the equinoxes. Exactly. Yeah, you can see see the sun the sun the sun the sun the sun the sun the sun the sun. the sun. the sun. the sun. the sun. the sun. the sun. the sun. the sun. the sun. the sun. the sun. the sun is the sun is the sun. the sun. the sun is the sun. th. Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's. the sun. Yeah, it's. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, the. Yeah, the. Yeah, the. Yeah, the. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, it. Yeah, it. Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's. th. Yeah, the the the the the the th. the th. the th. th. the th. th. the the t. th. th. the the t. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. Exactly, yeah you can see the sun go down like the snake goes down the temple one by one as the sun goes down it's

Starting point is 01:36:28 unbelievable. Actually it's a sun comes up the snake descends. There we yeah it's it's if you can see my hands it's. Yeah it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. And so I want to end it on this it's like what do you, I mean like what do you think this realm is this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this the this the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the sun goes the sun goes the sun goes the sun goes the sun the sun the sun the sun the sun the sun the sun the sun the sun the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the sun goes. tho. tho. the sun goes. tho. the sun goes. the sun goes. the sun goes. the sun goes. the sun goes. the what do you, I mean, like, what do you think our planet is? What do you, what do you think this realm is? I mean, like, I believe in realms, you know, that this is a very special place, that we're special beings and, you know, we're part of the universe. What's your thoughts on that rent?

Starting point is 01:37:01 Is there a spiritual side to this? Can you find spirituality and hope in all of this stuff? Well, Sam, I am the eternal optimist, and yes, I am, I have a very spiritual orientation to life. I do believe there's more to all of this existence than meets the eye. In fact, I kind of look at the whole planetary realm and the cosmic realm is almost being like a great living symbol for something that we can't even hardly begin to comprehend. I also think there's a correlation between the patterns, the external patterns of the cosmos and the internal patterns of our consciousness. And I think that one of the things that the ancient people were doing was by by taking that, it's, it's the, it's the, it's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the of the things that the ancient people were doing was by by taking that, it's the alchemical dictum as

Starting point is 01:37:50 above so below. And what they were trying to do is to create an infrastructure, to to redesign the surface of the earth to maximize the harmony between those two realms. Yes. And to the extent that they were successful in that, civilization prospered. You know, there were not global catastrophes. I think that the global catastrophes and the collapse of civilizations are part of the same process just on different relative scales, right? And just as a species can become extinct

Starting point is 01:38:27 because the world changes, civilizations can become extinct. And again, the point I was trying to make was the key there is adaptability, being able to have predictability, which we can have, because for example, if you think about the impact of Shoemaker Levy 9 in July of 1994, into Jupiter, which the world, which the world, the world, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, the world, th, the world, the world, th, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, thus, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, which the world, which the world, which the world, which the world, which the world, which, which, which, which the world, which, which the world, which the world, which the world, which, which, which example, if you think about the impact of Shoemaker Levy-9 in July of 1994 into Jupiter, well, that impact, those 21 impacts were predicted a year earlier, right?

Starting point is 01:38:55 Because we were able to discover that there was this comet that had flown so close to Jupiter, the Jupiter's powerful gravity field, ripped at the single nucleus apart and formed 21 subnuclei. Those 21 nuclei spread out and created the chain of pearls that now came and went around the sun. And by tracking the velocity of those objects moving, by developing the geometry of its elliptical

Starting point is 01:39:24 orbit, they were able to predict that second week of July 1994, those 21 pieces were going to be crossing Jupiter's orbit at the exact time that Jupiter was there and they were able to predict those impacts. Okay, I think that one of the reason, not the only reason, but one of the reasons why ancient peoples all over the reason, not the only reason, but one of the reasons why ancient peoples all over the world were so obsessively interested in what was going on in the sky is this. And we'll have to, this is another conversation, but the idea that there are, I would say like, cosmic pulses, where right now, we've built this civilization, Western civilization in this cosmically quiet interval.

Starting point is 01:40:04 The sun has been relatively stable, the influx of cosmic debris into the inner solar system has been reduced since the end of the last ice age, but it's inevitably going to come around again because these are part of the natural periodicities and I think ancient peoples were very tuned into this and they knew that there were times when the probabilities of a catastrophe could increase orders of magnitude above the normal background. I always liken it to this. You're driving down a lone country road.

Starting point is 01:40:38 You can go, you've got some tunes on, you might be hitting on a duber. You don't have to worry too much about oncoming traffic because there's not much. You're out there all alone, beautiful day, looking at the trees, the sun, the clouds. You're driving along, but now you come up to an intersection. When you're going through that intersection, you've got to be more alert because there might be oncoming traffic. Now it could be ten, and how is the the the the interterterterterterterterterterterterterterterterterm, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is it, is it, is it a their, is it a their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. th. th. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. the. thea. treea. tree. tree. tree.a. tree. tree. thoooooooo. th. the. the. tha, traffic. Now it could be tend on how is this a major highway? Is it an interstate whatever? Is it a major highway or just a little county road right? Well depending on the type of highway you're crossing and what time of day? Well is it a major highway and at certain times a day the

Starting point is 01:41:18 flux of traffic is going to be greater than at other times of day? Well the model here is this. We are essentially our our our our our the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thuctertertertertertertercolic thuck. thu. thu. thu. thus thus thus thus thus thus. thus. thoer. thoer. Is thus. Is thi. Is the. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is the th. Is thi. Is thi. Is thi. is the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is the. Is t. Is t. Is te. Is te. Is te. Is. Is te. Is. Is. Is te. is. Is. Is te. is. Is. Is te. Is te. Is te. Is t. Is times of day? Well, the model here is this. We are essentially, our solar system exists in a network of cosmic highways, if you will. And there are times when the susceptibility to these things, these incursions of things that originate out there, become enhanced by orders of magnitude. We need to be identifying those times. And this is, again, another whole other whole Sam about how the ancients did it and how

Starting point is 01:41:48 we might do it using modern technology. I will say this, have you heard of Matt Lomeyer, the lieutenant colonel who was a member of Space Force that just got canned because he wrote a book called Irresistible Revolution where he was talking about the the infection of the United States military by this woke, you know, critical race theory and all this stuff. Diversity, equity, inclusion, all of this stuff that's being, being exaggerated to basically deflect our attention from the real stuff. Well, he wrote a book basically being critical of that

Starting point is 01:42:26 and saying the military needs to stick to its mission, right? And not get distracted into all of this politics, right? Well, he got immediately canned. I hope he's, I think he's gonna be dropping in to visit Joe, Joe Rogan in the near future. I recently contacted Joe, to introduce Matt Lomire to him. Well anyways, prior to the academic, academic, the epidemic, before that hit, Matt Lomire was stationed in Alabama, and he was one of the higher-ups within the newly created Space Force, right? He contacted me, said he'd been watching my videos and stuff, and he wanted to meet me and

Starting point is 01:43:08 talk about planetary defense. So he came up, drove from Alabama up to Atlanta. We met, we had a great meeting. I was at the time I was building this restaurant and so we wasn't finished yet. We came to, we had a great meeting, and he said, would you be willing to do this? this this, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, th.. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they, the, the, the, the, the, the, and the, the, and the, the, the, and, the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, and, and, and, and, and, the, and, the, and, and, and, the, the, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they, th.e.e. th. th. th. th. th. th th th th th th they. they. they. they. they. the, we had a great meeting and he said, would you be willing to do this? If I could assemble 30 or 40 of the base commanders together, would you come and do a presentation on cosmic impacts in planetary defense? And I said, absolutely I would. You better believe I would. I would jump at the chance. So we had it planned. It was going to happen a year ago last month. Of course, then COVID hit. So all of that got put on hold.

Starting point is 01:43:52 So we were circling back, we were going to do it again this fall. Well, now he's been canned. So here's Space Force, which to me was like, hey, geez, isn't that, if we're talking about planetary defense, we're talking about understanding that in our future, there may be times then when there's this massively enhanced flux of shit from out there that could dramatically change what the game down here. Well, we need a whole, and this is something I've been advocating for 20 years

Starting point is 01:44:25 now is that we need to be thinking about that, right? Well, we'll see what happens now. I hope there's a movement to get him reinstated, but I would say stay tuned to what Joe Rogan is doing, because Joe will probably have him on. He was on Tucker Carlson last week, but you know five minutes. he'll be able to sit down. In, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to th. to to they. to to to to th. they. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. they. the thi. thi. thi. thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. theean. thean. thean. today. today. today. today. the. thee. With Joe he'll be able to sit down. In fact, you maybe should get him on. Hey, make it happen. Let's do it. We're open-minded. Do you believe in aliens, Randall?

Starting point is 01:44:55 Let me say this. Yes and no. It's complicated. But I'll say this and I know we got to wrap this up. You know I think in some cases we're looking at experimental aircraft and the Air Force is perfectly happy to let people believe it's aliens. On the other hand, we're looking at phenomena connected with, and this gets back to what I mentioned about Paul Devereux's work, that, you know, these, there can actually be luminosities, audio phenomena and stuff created tangibly that

Starting point is 01:45:28 is associated with what's going on down below, right? And again, that could be enhanced by, you know, I made the analogy of lunar tides. If you have an eclipse, think about this, this was one last thing. The connect between now you have the sun and the moon actually, so you have this cumulative effect. So it's not just the moon anymore, it's not the sun and the moon. I think that's one reason why eclipses were so important to ancient people, so because during eclipses, things, things happened. Maybe even including things like what things like what things like, things like, things like, things, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, thuuom, thuomuomuomuomuomuomuom, the the cumulative, the cumulative, the the cumulative, the the the the the they they they the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. So, thi. So, so you have thi. So you have thi. thi. thi. thiu. thiu. thiu. thiu. thu. thu. thuu. So, so you have right? But as far as the alien thing, I think it's, I have an opinion about it, but I don't think it's what people think it is. I think it's something surprisingly

Starting point is 01:46:15 different, and this could be another future show, and I'm always at this point a little uncomfortable about getting into this publicly, because if I'm right, it means that there's a major cat let out of the bag and I'm not sure what the blowback of that's going to be. Okay. I'm all about that. Final last question, when was the last time you did shrooms, Randall? When was the last time he ate mushrooms to just tripped balls and talked to the universe. Well I've done shrooms twice and neither time did I do enough to really have a full-blown

Starting point is 01:46:52 experience. Now if I go back to the early 70s, I've got Paioti and LSD and the too. I had some pretty remarkable experiences on Paote. So my mushroom experiences is something I'm looking forward to. I had some pretty remarkable experiences on payote. Wow. So my mushroom experiences is something I'm looking forward to. And I think it should be coming around. I just, you know, I've been engrossed in building my business of being a normal guy, quote unquote. And doing your own show now too.

Starting point is 01:47:22 You got your own podcast. I wanted to mention that. Like you're doing cosmography now with the awesome Brothers of the Serpent and Brad Young, right? Your own show? Yeah. So we should talk about that too.

Starting point is 01:47:32 I don't think he was doing that the last time it was on your show. So no, this has been toxic and so a lot of my material is is there on the sacred geometry international site it's being sold and it's going on about close to three years now that I have received any remuneration from the sales of my material the administrator of the website has been served with two cease and desist letters, which he ignores. He's going behind my back, insulting friends, colleagues, you know, actually insulting me privately, but he can't do it publicly because he's living off of the proceeds of the sales of my work. So I just think I want people to know that.

Starting point is 01:48:21 Look, if you want to purchase something from there, know that I'm not receiving any of that money. It's all going to to to to to to to to to th th thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the they. He's they. He's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, the thi, thi, thi, thr. thr. thr. thrui. thrui. thrui. thrui. thrui. thrui. thrui. thr. the. the the the ththat. Look, if you want to purchase something from there, know that I'm not receiving any of that money. It's all going to this. Basically, he turned the site into a conspiratorial website, but basically not things that I, for example, I never bought into the Q&N thing. I think that that was a PSOP. At worst, at best, it was a ho ho hoax, but he turned the site, for example, into a major proponent of Q&N. So now I'm seeing, after a few months of that, I'm seeing all over the internet, oh, Randall

Starting point is 01:48:54 Carlson, yeah, he does some pretty cool work, but he's a Q-Tard. And I'm like, you wait, timeout, that ain't me. But the way it was all presented, you th. You th. You th. You th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. theee. theeee. toee. toe. toee. toe. toe. thee. the. the the. the the. the. the. timeout, that ain't me. But the way it was all presented, you wouldn't know the difference. People think when they're buying from the site that I'm receiving it, because look, for years I promoted the site. I went on probably 50 different podcasts. I probably promoted it on your website, on your podcast. Yeah. But somewhere along the way, the administrator decided decided that he was just gonna lay claim to it

Starting point is 01:49:28 and forget about our agreement of a even split of revenue. And so it's gotten really toxic. And it's just, it's sad and it's disappointing to me, that it's come to that. And I have been, I've been procrastinating and doing anything about it just because I keep hoping that at some point he's going to have an epiphany and go, wait a second, this is not cool what I'm doing. That hasn't happened. So I'm now in the mode of wanting to let people know that I'm not part of that.

Starting point is 01:49:58 The insults online that he's doing, I'm not part of that. The deleting of people who come onto the website asking what's going on here, is this Randolph's website? They get deleted, they get banned from the social media. I'm not part of any of that. So I've had to go and do my own thing. And this situation has not resolved itself yet, but it's going to very soon. Well, you know, I believe in abundance versus scarcity, and when you have people out of money,

Starting point is 01:50:27 you're practicing scarcity, you know, it's like you're the talent, you're the, you're the creator. It's unbelievable that people would not recognize that and support that. And at the end of the day, you know, the universe has a way of working everything out. I do honestly that and it may not be today or tomorrow but it will come and when you go off on your own you will create your own brand and your own stuff and all that and nobody will go there anymore because they know that you're over here doing your thing and if they love you and support you they're going to follow you over there and support you so in their their their their their their their their their their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the the their their their their their their. thoes thi. to to to to to be. to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to come. to be to be to be their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi. their, thi. thi. the, the. the. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to follow you over there and support you. So in the long run, I believe everything works out. Sometimes bad things happen to good people and sometimes good

Starting point is 01:51:08 things happen to bad people, but I usually see that the universe works it all off. All works it all out. Guys, thank you so much for coming on. I hope you guys had a great time, because I know I did. It was thing, Sam, can I mention quickly, Randall talked about that trip that we had, Scablands in Washington. There's another one coming up, September 20th, 26th, and there's a few tickets left. If you go to contact at the cabin. there's a tab there, Scablands with Randall's

Starting point is 01:51:37 and today. breath work and it's like soap lake Washington for five or six days going in and out of all the stuff that Randall's showing with the with the scablands in Washington so you get a week with Randall hanging out all the awesomness and his website is Cosm.com and his podcast is Cosmographia. Yeah Randall Carlson.com will get you to anywhere you need to go and I also Sam want you to get get hip to what's going on with the the the the how the how the how the how the how the the how the the how the the to to to to to to to to to to to the how the how to to to the how to to the how the how to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. the. the. the. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. the. the. the. the. the. the. I. I. the. the. I. I. I. the. I. I. I. I'm. I. I. I'm. I'm. I. I. I. to. you need to go. And I also, Sam, want you to get hip to what's going on with the How To Project, which if you go to Randall Carlson.com, there'll be links to the How To Project,

Starting point is 01:52:11 because I think part of what the goal there is to kick YouTube's ass. All right, well, I'm all about that action. And we will, absolutely. I will. I'll join. I'll join, to join, to join. to join. to join. to join. to join. to join. to join. to join. to join. to join. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. I. I. I. I. I. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. we're gonna, again, Randall Carlson.com, go check that out, go check out Grimmerica. I love you both very much. Thank you very much, Randall for coming on. Thank you, Graham for coming on. Please check out the Grime America podcast

Starting point is 01:52:35 to do an amazing things out there, especially in chaos that is Canada right now. So anytime I can support the brother. trirothe brother together tapapapapapapapapapapape brothers. tha brother. th. to to to to th. to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to th. to that. that. th. to to th. th. to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I th. I th. I. I. I th. th. th. th. t. t. t. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. t. t. to. t. I'm. I'll. I t. I, I will do that. Guys, thank you so much for joining us. I love you all very much. I love you Swarman. We got another great show tomorrow too. We got Jimmy Dore coming on. So it's a week of just crushers. Thank you guys so much and have a great day.

Starting point is 01:52:57 We go deep home boy. Eric, open your mind. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional mind. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. There, you just move my mind. Tim Foil Hacker.

Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #465: The Energy Paradox and Ancient Civilizations With Randall Carlson and Graham Dunlop

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