Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #469: The Thick Red Line Of Law Enforcement with Howard Lichtman and Destry Griffiths (Bonus Episode)

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Starting point is 00:02:34 The links for everything on this show, whether it's our guests, their organization, sponsorship, all available below in the description of the episode. Thank you guys so much for tuning in and enjoy the show. All right, and let's get into it. I'm very excited to have both these guests on. I think this is a very important topic. We're going to get into police, law enforcement and their role in society in terms of what the power structure and what the masses want, that kind of relationship. And I think this is a very important conversation. We have our returning champion here

Starting point is 00:03:15 before he's been on been on Tim Fall Hat and we're glad to have him back. Please welcome Howard Lickman. How are you, Howard? Hey, fantastic and good to be fantastic, and good to be with you and good to be with your audience. Always a pleasure, and joining us for the first time, he's a former police officer, and he's a part of this whole organization that they'll give us a little bit of more understanding about.

Starting point is 00:03:38 Please welcome. Desri Griffith. How are you, brother? I'm good. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate I'm honored. Well I'm glad to have you on too on as well. This is a big topic for us and you know when Howard when you were on before you were talking about this organization that you're working with called Thick Red Line and I thought what a wonderful time to have this kind of conversation about police and their role in enforcing laws,

Starting point is 00:04:08 whether they are just or unjust, and with this new variant coming out that everybody's the deltel variants come in and what that means for businesses, schools, and just our whole way of living. So thank you very much. I know we know Howard from his last appearances before. Desiree, can you tell us a little bit about yourself? Well, I'm a former police officer. I retired, I'm semi-retired now, but I worked as, I did 21 years, Stan. I was a DARE officer for 14 years.

Starting point is 00:04:48 I was a school resource officer for three years, and I had this crazy old uncle that when I first got into police work, got me kind of looking at the whole grand picture in a different perspective. And so I'm really thankful for him, kind of my mentor and kind of leading me to understand even police work and one of the great books that I read before was the law by Frederick Bastiat and that really got me thinking and trying to understand what the law was all about and what police work was all about. And so for me, when I got into police work, I had other relatives, including my brother that was a police officer.

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Starting point is 00:06:07 Thank you. Yeah, that's great. And you know, full disclosure, I have, my grandfather, Bedorian, was like had a Niagara Falls Police Department. I have a cousin who is now a Buffalo police officer, and then I have a cousin works in Corrections in Nebraska. So I have, I have people on that side. So, you know, I, I that. I, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, that's, that's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's that's the that's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th a cousin works in corrections in Nebraska. So I have people on that side. So you know, I grew up the grandson of a police officer and that was very important to me and

Starting point is 00:06:35 my family. So as I grew a little older, seeing all the stuff going on, I, you know, I very much understand the human side of law enforcement that I think it's lost in a lot of discussion. So when Howard brought up this group, I thought it was very important to have a discussion about it because it does involve law enforcement working with law enforcement about what's going on. Howard, can tell us a little bit about the group and why, why it got started? Yeah, well, first the, the thick red line project grew out of civil disobedience...... th disobed disobed disobed disobed disobed disobed disobed disobed disobed disobed disobed disobed disobed. that that that that that that that that that that that th dis disobedience. that that that that th dis disobedience. that that that that th. th. th. th. thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th, th, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi started. Yeah, well, first the thick red line project grew out of civil disobedience that we were doing in Santa Cruz, California with respect to the

Starting point is 00:07:13 COVID. And, you know, last year around the April, May time frame when things were at kind of their peak of fear and what I would say is exception. We went into the hospitals and what was being called the epicenter of COVID in California, Santa Clara Medical Center. And we found empty tents, empty waiting rooms. We found hospital employees openly speculating that the whole thing was a hoax. I went through the testing process and when I get in the room with the guy doing the testing, you know, I take off my mask and I say, hey, I'm an investigative reporter.

Starting point is 00:07:53 We're trying to figure out what's going on here, you know, is this really a pandemic? And he said, you know, he looked all guilty and was like looking around like, you know, he's been caught with his hand in his in the cookie jar and he's, you know, but he, he leveled with me and I said, are you seeing, you know, I said, you know, are you testing, you know, any more, you know, are you testing? You know, nobody's coming in really to get tested? And I said, are you know, the the thing really, you know, a pandemic going on. And I said, are you guys seeing any more death or disease than, you know, the usual and customary elderly deaths or, you know, seasonal pneumonia's or, you know, whatever. And he's like, no, we're not. And then it just, we just realized it was completely, completely, you know, a fake. And it was the degree of the fakeness in the epicenter of COVID in the California was, was, was, was, was, was just, was, was just, was, was just, was, was just, was just, was just, was, was just, was just, was just, was just, was just, was just, was just, was just, was just, was just, was just, was just, was just, was just, was just, was just, was just, was just, was just, was just just just just just just just just just, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. to thi. thi. thi. thi. the thi. the thi. thi. thi. thi. the degree of the faigness in the epicenter of COVID and the California was was just truly like amazing. It just struck me right there that this thing was was fake.

Starting point is 00:08:51 We went into another hospital, Dominican Hospital in Santa Cruz, empty tents, empty wading rooms, tents flapping in the wind. We shot videos of both of these. In the case of Dominican Hospital, they took the tents down the next day after our video went viral in the community. And so we began, you know, organizing kind of peaceful, simple disobedience to try and reopen these restaurants, reopen these local businesses that were bankrupting, independent wealth and independent people. You know, like I think this was kind of economic warfare on the people by the, you know, organized prime government. And so we would do peaceful civil disobedience.

Starting point is 00:09:30 We'd reopen beaches, they were trying to close the beaches, we'd reopen parks. The police would come out, and they'd say, hey, you know, you guys got to get off this beach. And we'd say, well, we're not going to leave this beach, you know, you don't own the beach. There's no time in history where the government got ownership of beach. And so they'd say, hey, you know, we don't, you know, I understand, we like going to the beach. We don't want to be doing this, but what are we supposed to do? And I realized, and because I had friends throwne, they, they, th................ I had, thin, thin, thin, their, thin, their, that, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the government, their, the government, the government, the government, their, the government, the government, their, the government, their, their, the government, their, the government, the government, the government, the government, their, the government, the government, their, the government, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to toeat, toeat, toeathea.. toeathea. toldeathea. toeathea. their their their the government, the government, their their these guys were really between a rock and a hard place. And so, you know, I kind of did the math in my head, I had a little bit of epiphany, and I said, the strongest cart in your hand is to say no collectively, collectively say no to these, these tyrannical orders, or they're going to just crank it up and ratchet it up,

Starting point is 00:10:24 and pretty soon you're going to be doing some Nazi Germany-level stuff. And I know you guys don't want to do that. And you can see that they were thinking about that, that they like the idea. And so we tried it out with some other, you know, law enforcement people and let's say, focus this group well. So we've built a website and we call it the thick red line project, the police have the thin blue line.

Starting point is 00:10:47 We're saying that that's important, but what's more important is that they draw a thick red line and the sand and say we're not going to use violence on peaceful people for politicians. So we're uniting the police and the people against the politicians, it's not the police that are passing these laws and trying to lock down the the their their their their their their their their their, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you're, you're, you're, you're thia, you're, you're, you're, you're, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, and thin, and thin, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi.e.a, and thi.a, thi.a, and thi.a, thin, thin, thin, thin, the politicians. It's not the police that are passing these laws and trying to lock down, you know, independent businesses. And so the thick red line is, you know, what is the denominator, what is the litmus test? And you know, just.

Starting point is 00:11:20 And so you obviously can't use politician law. If you get sundowner lawsthen you get sundowner laws, you get slave laws, and you get Jim Crow laws, and you get Nazi Germany. And so you can't use politician law. And so what we do is we're educating the police on something called natural law that has an altsian year history across multiple different civilizations.

Starting point is 00:11:43 It's essentially a codification of the golden rule. You want to others, you would have the the slave, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you do the slave, you do the slave, you do the slave, you do the slave, you do the slave, you do the slave, you do the slave, you do the slave, you do, you do, you do, you do, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you do the slave, you do the slave, you do the slave, you do the slave, you do the slave, you do the slave, you do the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the slave, do do, do, do, do, do, you do, you do, you do, you's essentially a codification of the golden rule, you know, do on to others, you'd have others do it on to you. And the ideas in natural law, there are five main transgressions. There is murder, there's robbery, there's theft, there's trespass, and there is extortion and coercion. And these are all obviously wrongs because there is a victim. And so those are, because they're wrong,

Starting point is 00:12:08 that many people don't realize that when you hear people say, I have a right to this, or I would write to a gun, or I'm right to something else, that also comes up comes from the natural law tradition. And in the natural law tradition, a right is anything that's not a wrong. And so if you're not harming somebody else, then you have a right to be left alone by the government. And so what we're saying is, if there's not a victim, it's not really a crime.

Starting point is 00:12:32 The government can't be a victim. Society can't be a victim. You've got to have somebody that's saying, this guy wronged me. He stole my stuff. Whatever it is. There's got is their's got is their's got is their's got is their's got is their's got their's got their's got their's their's their's their's their's thi is. He stole my stuff, raped me, you murdered my friend, whatever it is, there's got to be a real natural law transgression for the police to act. And so what we do is we, you know, we explain the, you know, that this is the litmus test the police officers ought to be using, and then we organize community support for them

Starting point is 00:13:01 to say no. And so if it's the police doing it collectively, collectively refusing to enforce., the crime, the crime, the crime, the crime, the crime, the crime, the crime, the crimeto say no. And so if it's the police doing it collectively, collectively refusing to enforce any crime that doesn't have a victim and they're supported by the community, we think that's a check made against politicians, it ends the lockdowns, ends the mask mandates, ends the red flag laws. It ends the war on drugs, which is a war on some people that choose to use intoxicants that aren't approved by the government the government the government the government the government the government the government the government the government the government the government the government.. the war on drugs, which is a war on some people, you know, that choose to use intoxicants

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Starting point is 00:15:27 there to punish the poor in the middle class and that we see, you know, the elites do it all the time. A great example, prostitution, right? Prostitution is illegal. Sugar dating is so perfectly acceptable that you actually see billboards for it on sunset. Be a sugar date or date, you know, and why? Because those tend to be rich girls, elite girls from the elite family that just want to make a quick buck dating rich men. And then the street hookers tend to be from middle class or even lower class and then, again,

Starting point is 00:16:04 the military industrial complex. So I want to ask you middle class or even lower class and then again the military industrial complex. So I want to ask you some, Desirene, what from a gentleman who was a police officer, you know, ever since 2016, we've had nothing but discussions on police, brutality, all this stuff. What is the mindset of a police officer? What is, what is, what do you think, what is, what do you think, what is, all this stuff. What is the mindset of a police officer? What is, what do you think that the average person doesn't understand about law enforcement and being a police officer? Well, if you don't mind, I'd like to kind of,

Starting point is 00:16:39 I'd like to answer that question, but to go back, even when 9-11 happened, one thing that I know that we were known as peace officers back then, and as soon as 9-11 happened, what happened was a lot of draconian measures started to come about, and then we actually changed our name to law enforcement officers. And I think that there's definitely something to words. Words have meanings. And so from that perspective, from that point on we became law enforcement officers. And so to kind of go back to your question, I think that right now, I feel like that maybe police right now, I mean, I've actually got a brother-in-law and a nephew that's also in law enforcement right now currently. My brother, he retired, but they, they're really,

Starting point is 00:17:25 they feel a little down in the sense of, they feel like that people don't understand what's going on. They feel demeaned in some aspects, but in the same sense, you know, I was talking to my brother-in-law, he's a detective, and he was like, somebody called in the sheriff's department, was asking if they were gonna enforce the, you know, Biden's the the the the the the the the the the the the th-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-. thi-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-init-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-.eee-.e-.e-.e-.e-.e- is, thiii- is, thi- is thi- is thi- is thi- is thi- is thi- is- is thi- is- is- ise- isea- isea- iselectionelectionelectionelectionelectionelectionelectionea- iselectionea- isea- isea- isea- is thi-s my brother-in-law, he's a detective, and he was like, somebody called in the sheriff's department and was asking if they were gonna enforce the, you know, Biden's gun laws, and he actually took the call and called the gut gentleman back, and he says, we're not going to do that.

Starting point is 00:17:55 And so in southern Utah, we're very fortunate, because it seems like that our police officers and even our politicians are kind of not, I should say, elected officials, are not really gung-ho. We've actually kind of pushed back even on the governor Cox's mandates. But as police officers, I think that they really are fearful in the sense that they don't know if people really want them around or whatnot. But I also think that to go back on the thick red line, you know, as a police officer, right, you know, that thin blue line kind of gives carte blanche to police officer saying, hey, you're

Starting point is 00:18:37 you're a hero no matter what, you know, and there's no accountability. And of course you've got the Black Lives Matter on the other extreme. th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the their, the the the the the the the the the the the th, the th, the the th, thi, the the thi, the thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. the Lives Matter on the other extreme, which I believe the Black Lives Matter, I think there's a broader agenda even on that, possibly even nationalize the police. And then, you know, we've got the thick red line, and I really enjoy it, and I really appreciate it, because as I was trained by one of my trainers, one of the things that he said was, if there's no victim, there's no crime. And that always stuck with me because again, you know, as Howard was saying, you know, if there's no victim, you know, we don't want victimless crimes. And so at that point, it really started to make me question, you know, even drug laws.

Starting point is 00:19:24 And is there something more even there? But yeah, I think that police feel that we don't have their backs, but I feel like that we want to make sure that I think the media also has hyped a lot of the police brutality. Another thing that we're seeing is that they're, you know, they're saying there's systematic racism. And, you know, I didn't see that, you know, as a police officer, but I do believe that Howard's right. I think that that's more or less coming down from politician law. And as police officers, we're order followers, And it's hard for us to be able to say no.

Starting point is 00:20:06 I mean, what Howard is saying is correct, but it is really hard for us because we have bills to pay, we have families to feed. And it's a job, you know, to a certain degree. So it's hard for them to say no because they've got to pay bills. I totally agree with that. You see that happening a lot. I mean, even in Hollywood, there's this kind of like, you know, follow the leader mentality

Starting point is 00:20:36 because jobs are on the line. It's very hard to get work in Hollywood if you don't play by their rules, the powers that be, the elites. And, you know, it it it it it all it all it's th it's th it's th it's th it's all it's th, it's all it's all it's all it's all th, th, th, th, th, thi thi thi thi thi tho tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, that's that's that's that's tho, you that's that's that's that's that's tho, you thoes. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's thoes. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, to to totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally totally their rules, the powers that be, the elites. And, you know, it all ends up being the same people, whether it's the politicians or the heads of studios or the heads of banks. They all end up, you know, working for the same people and, you know, enforcing the same laws. Now, there are rules that come out, you know, with this COVID stuff. And, you know, we've seen video after video after video of, you know, people enforcing COVID restrictions. And these are mandates that aren't actually laws. There's no voting on them. There's a governor that has been given these ridiculous powers and he makes

Starting point is 00:21:27 these rules that make no sense to anybody and then there's the enforcing of it. As you watch it, and I don't know what went through with Utah and stuff like that, I think that's where you're out of, but as you saw that on a general, you know, a national level, like, what do you think is the mindset of the officers when they're having to do this? When they're having to go to a coffee shop and be like, you guys got shut down because you guys have six people within three feet of each other? And when, you know, when we're talking about like what cops and why we should respect them

Starting point is 00:22:09 because nobody calls the cops when something good is happening unless it's a bachelorette party, right? That seems to be the only time cops are called in for fun. But outside of that, nobody's really calling the cops when it's a good time. Okay, so the notion that's a good time. Okay? So the notion that police are being called to shut down a coffee shop because maybe there's a limit on eight people and there's 10 and they're having to enforce these and sometimes it seems like it gets a little out of control.

Starting point is 00:22:37 As a police officer, what is your thoughts on that and what do you think is going through the minds of those police officers? Well I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the. the the the the. the. thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the the the an the an thean thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean thean. thean the an the an thoughts on that and what do you think is going through the minds of those police officers? Well, I think that there's a couple things. First of all, you've got personality. Some personalities are a little bit more heavy-handed and they don't they don't think about it's the law, so therefore so I'm going to enforce the law. So you've got that personality. But I also think that it goes back to, you know, if you believe in it, you know, the communist manifesto basically talked about how they were going to slowly take, you know, slowly, even within our school system, change the perception and change the whole dynamic in our thinking process. And it seems like that liberty now, anybody that talks about liberty and property rights, they're cuckoos, you know, they're coops. And, and they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their their their their their their their their their their their that liberty now, anybody that talks about liberty

Starting point is 00:23:25 and property rights, they're cuckoos, you know, they're coops. And it's almost driven out of the mind that anybody that talks about constitutional rights or anything like that are actually in the wrong. And yet the government is right. You know, it seems like it's the state versus the individual. It's not the Republicans versus Democrats. It's the government is right. You know, it seems like it's the state versus the individual. It's not the Republicans versus Democrats. It's the collectivist versus the individual. And I think that that's one thing that you're seeing. And so I think that you have a number of personalities. Plus, when, as I was about ready to retire, one thing that our chief wanted to do is he wanted to, he wanted more officers with college education. the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the c.eckeckecke he wanted to, he wanted more officers with college education.

Starting point is 00:24:08 They wanted degrees. And I understand there's good in that, but sometimes you can train. They're more like a robot. They don't question what's right or wrong. They just think that everything's fine. And so you've also got these younger officers that come from a different generation that are enforcing it as well.

Starting point is 00:24:31 So the older officers, too, you know, the people that I'm talking to, they're trying to get out. They're trying to get out. And so you're losing experience plus critical thinkers that are getting out of police work. I mean, from all over the country. And what you're being replaced with is people that are not thinkers. You know, they think they are because they've got these degrees, but they're just order followers. And that's one thing that, like Howard is saying that worries, is that we could become Nazi Germany

Starting point is 00:25:05 because what did Nazi Germany do? They just followed orders. You know, I mean, I hear it often too, you know, as a police officer, they say, well, I just was following orders. And I'm like, that's just kind of a real weird, bells go off my in my head thinking, that just doesn't sound right, You know, so I think that that's what you're getting to is that we're losing great officers

Starting point is 00:25:29 that actually probably understood the Constitution at one time to officers that don't understand the Constitution that are in it, you know, and again the paycheck. So I think there's a lot of, a lot to that goes into it, a lot of variables. Howard, do you have any thoughts? Yeah, yeah, definitely. And so, you know, when Destry's talking about the, you know, good officers that are, you know, can't wait to retire, can't wait to get out of policing, a lot of times, these are the officers that you want, they're the ones that are uncomfortable uncomfortable uncomfortable uncomfortable uncomfortable, doing the tyranny. And, you know, the thick red line project is the thing that restores respectability to the police. Everybody loves the police when they're busting murderers, rapists, and robbers.

Starting point is 00:26:17 It really is these victimless crimes that are causing the racial and the societal division. That's what's turning every traffic stop into a commando operation. That's where you get the militarization, that's where you get, you know, I've heard, you know, as high as 80,000 SWAT team raids a year, mostly for, you know, low level drug dealing, drug detention, things like that. We don't need 80,000 SWAT team raids going on in our community,

Starting point is 00:26:48 a lot of which hit the wrong house, didn't have the right warrant, you know, injured babies with, you know, flashbag, bang, grenades thrown into cribs. And so there's all of this, you know, you know, damage, and it makes, you know, there's just absolutely no way to sugarcoat this, it makes the cops the criminals. And so, so there has to be a denominator of what is right and what is wrong and under natural law, if you're, you know, if you're using violence on peaceful people that aren't hurting anybody, that makes you, carmically the criminal. I mean, you may not be arrested by, you know, your colleagues, but anybody that aren't hurting anybody, that makes you, carmically, the criminal. I mean, you may not be arrested by, you know, your colleagues, but anybody that understands

Starting point is 00:27:31 that karma is always operating, you know, at full scale in the universe. And you know, you're, the, you know, the officers that are going along with this are ultimately going to have to pay the carmic price here. And so, by the going, you, you, you's going, you's going, you, you, you, you, you, you to go to go to go to go to go the p p p p p to the poli, you the poli, you the politicians the politicians to the politicians, you're to the politicians, you're to the politicians, you're, you're, you're the policet not the poliolk not, you're, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thoic, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you thoanananananananan, you're thoananan, you're the police, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you're, you know, you know, you're, you know, you're, you know, you're, you know, you're, you know, you're, you're, you're to have to pay the Karmic price here. And so Bice-going, Thick Red Line, saying no to the politicians, supported by the community, because the community does not want this going on. We've had people, you know, we've now bought and distributed. We are at Thick Red Line. the basics.

Starting point is 00:28:01 We have distributed over 1,500 copies of that. We've got some cards for cops that explained to officers the basics. We've now had people buy and distribute over 20,000 plus copies of those nationally from almost every single state in the United States. And people are getting their own communities organized to build support for their police to say no to the politicians. I have not read, you know, I really haven't run into anybody. their their their their their to their their to their their their their their their their their to explain.. their their their their their their. to explain. to explain. their to explain. their to explain. their. their their their. their. to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their, their. their. their. their. their. to. to. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. the toea. toe. toe. the toe. the the toe. the their. their police to say no through the politicians. I have not, you know, I really haven't run into anybody yet that wants the police to be, you know, doing these kind of victimless crimes, the victim was crime enforcement. And so if they say no that boom instantly restores respect for the police, it breaks the backs of the drug cartels, it breaks the

Starting point is 00:28:45 backs of human traffickers, it saves the taxpayers billions. It focuses the police on real crimes with real victims instead of wasting their time on stuff the community doesn't want them to be doing and, you know, really, like completely aggravating the community. That's the reason, like you take a look at, you know, really, like, completely aggravating the community. That's the reason, like, you take a look at, you know, Eric Garner in New York City, who was choked out and killed for selling Lucy cigarettes on the street corner. That's not really a crime. Choking out, trying to put somebody in a cage for selling Lucy cigarettes.

Starting point is 00:29:21 That's the crime. That is the thing that led to his death. We've to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to st st st st st st the thick thick thick thi the the the the the thi the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. theck. theck. theck. things. things.oeck. things. things, that thearneck. that that that theck. that's theck. the theck. That is the violation of natural law. That is the thing that led to his death. We've got to stop stuff like that, and then that instantly restores respect to the police. Hey, everybody, I want to tell you about our friends at Lucy nicotine, okay? Lucy nicotine is a company founded by Caltech scientists and former smokers looking for a better and cleaner nicotine alternative. Okay, finally, tobacco has an alternative.

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Starting point is 00:31:49 too much unnecessarily violence and force and then you have on the other side a gentleman with a criminal record possibly having a gun on them when they are not supposed to and there's enough for both sides there's enough ammunition for both sides so they could argue about it all the time. Now if we actually take a look at the people who are into defunding the police, there's all this discussion on that. Well a lot of people that are leading the charge on defunding the police are in fact live behind gated communities. If you have like the City the the the city the city the city the city the city the city the city the city the city the city the city the city the city the city the city the city the city the city the city the city the city the city the the the the the thu. thusus thus thi. There's thususus thus thus. There's thusususususususususususususususususususususususususususususususus. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. There. th. There. There. th. There. th. th. There is is. th. th. There is. th. th. th. th. th. th. I. I th. I th. I'm. I'm. I'm th. I'm. I'm thee. I'm thi. I'm thi. There's thia. There's th police are in fact live behind gated communities.

Starting point is 00:32:26 If you have like the city council in Minneapolis who voted to defund the police, well they quietly voted to up the budget for their personal security, okay? Then we have the people who in Washington, D.C., complaining about law enforcement, wanted to defund the police all wide crying about something that went on January 6th. I mean, it's the hypocrisy of the situation. You know, it's rules for thee and not for me. They don't want the cost to be funded except when it comes to protecting them and their asses.

Starting point is 00:33:04 That's when they want itthem and their asses. That's when they want it. And that's the ridiculous. And I also believe, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on this desery, your thoughts on the militarization of police. We're seeing this kind of, all this military equipment, the training, we're now hearing that, you know, Israel and Massad are coming to train officers in the United States police officers. What is your whole thoughts on that?

Starting point is 00:33:34 Well, can I go back just real quick on the natural law, kind of? You could talk about anything you want, man. Okay, thank you. In police work, we do have the, it's the use of force continuum. And the use of force continuum goes from, you know, different levels. And the first level is just mere presence. And then it goes from there as, you know, verbal communication, and then it goes for impact weapons. And then it goes to, to tasers. And then it goes to deadly to deadly to deadly to deadly to deadly to deadly to deadly to deadly to deadly to deadly to deadly to deadly to deadly to deadly to deadly to deadly to deadly to deadly to deadly to deadly to deadly the deadly the deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly deadlytasers and then it goes to deadly force. So whenever we make a law, the legislatures or whoever, well, it's the legislatures they're supposed to make the law.

Starting point is 00:34:13 But when the legislatures make the law, they've got to realize the outcome could be death for this law. And so that's what we've got to, we've also got to educate the the legislatures and saying, listen, if you're going to pass this law, you're going to put not only the officer in jeopardy, but you're going to put the citizen in jeopardy. So is this a law that we want to, we want to pass to, to put everybody in jeopardy. And so that's why the victimless crimes, I think I I I I I I I I I I I think is, I think is, I think is thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. tho, thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi. thi. thi. thi, thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's thi. thi. think, is so critical for us to reassess and to think about over that, because people are getting killed for that. I would like to know, you know, the statistics on, you know, how many officers have been

Starting point is 00:34:58 killed actually enforcing victimless crimes. You know, and I don't know if there know if we could find a statistic on that, but it would be really interesting to do that. Now, as far as the militarization of the police departments, in theory, it sounds great. The reason why I say that is because one of the other things that's pushed, there's a good training the officers go to. It's, I think it's called officers, officers officers officers officers officers officers officers officers officers, officers, officers, officers, officers, officers, officers, officers, officers, officers, and officers, and officers, and officers, and officers, the, the, the, the, the, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they's, they're, they're, they're, their, their, they's, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they, they, they's, they's, to, the to, the to, the to, the the to, the to, the the the to, the they. they. their, their, their, they. to, they. their, to. they. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe, toe, to, the officers go to. It's, I think it's called officers, officer safety. And when you go there, holy cow,

Starting point is 00:35:29 that they just tell you about all these stories, the officer's being killed and how they're being killed. And man, you come out of there and you think that every citizen is, everybody's hiding behind the tree and they're gonna kill you. And that's one thin' thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. and thooooooo.. th. the tree, and they're going to kill you, you know, and that's one thing that they put a lot of fear in you. And I'm not saying that it's a bad training, but I'm also saying that it does put a lot of fear in you. And so when you come back from there, all of a sudden, you know. I think Tenth Amendment Center, they had an article that was pretty interesting. And they just basically said, you know, the first couple of paragraphs they were saying that,

Starting point is 00:36:12 you know, it's not a matter of does it sound good, or is it, is it liberty-minded, or, you know, or do you like the elected official that's doing it. The first question you should ask is, is it constitutional? And one thing that I feel like is that the money that, the federal money and the federal grants that are going to these cities, to states, what you're seeing is is actually, I think a run around the Constitution. I think that it's, I think it's a runaround on the separation of powers. I think it's very corrupting.

Starting point is 00:36:50 I mean, even as a police officer, we weren't able to take gratuities. Well, why can't you take grituities? Because it has a corrupting influence on you. And then when you take a gratuity, you basically are tied to that one individual, that business or whatever, and you will, you basically become kind of partial to that person. And so when we take federal money, I think that again, it's going over, going around the separation of powers and it's a corrupting influence. And we don't get it, we don't see that.

Starting point is 00:37:22 And it's just like, well, hey, it's money. And it's OK. And that federal dollar is actually, I think, corrupting us and militarizing us and getting us into that. And I had an opportunity to be a SWAT officer or a school resource officer. And I wanted to be a SWAT officer, but I decided that the school resource officer was probably the best choice. I'm thankful I made that choice, but it has a different mindset. You know, when you go through that SWAT training and you get all that equipment, you really are more in the line of the, you know, they are the bad guys all the time. And I just think that another thing we need to come back back to to to to to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be a to be the, you know, they are the bad guys all the time.

Starting point is 00:38:05 And I just think that another thing we need to come back to is, we need to come back to the police officers are public servants. And I think that sometimes people don't like to hear servants, because then at that point, you feel like that, you know, you're downgrading that person. But that's one thing that I feel like that all government officials should realize is they are public servants to us, and including police officers. And it's an honor to serve the community.

Starting point is 00:38:34 It's not a bad thing to be called a public servant. So, yeah, I'm definitely worried about the militarization of the police. I couldn't agree more. The more you militarize the police, there's a saying in recovery. It's basically like to people who like try to get sober, and then they go to bars. And it's like, if you hang out on a hair slot long enough, you're going to get a haircut, right? So it's the same thing if you have have all this military militarized weapon tree, you're going to eventually want to use it. I mean, it's just the way it is. I mean, eventually

Starting point is 00:39:13 it's going to be used and that's kind of what I'm nervous about. And, you know, and I've seen stories on John Oliver back when I liked them, did a great story about how these, you know, these small law enforcement companies are getting all this militarized weapons, but they don't know, they're not trained in how to use them. So now you have just kind of guys with these giant weapons with no real training in, trying to use them, and it kind of just gets out of control. And it's eventually going to lead to some kind of chaos right there. Howard, do you have any thoughts? Do I ever? And by the way, we've got that episode of John Oliver on the civil asset forfeiture.

Starting point is 00:39:56 I think that's a civil asset forfeiture episode and we've got that at thick red line. orough and th. And th, and thoorg and th, and thooo. And th, and th, and th, and tho-and th, and it tho, and it's, and it's tho, and it's tho, and it's tho-a, tho-up, tho-up, tho-a, tho-o-a, tho-a, tho-a, tho-a, tho-a, tho-a, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-s. And, tho'-s. And, tho'-sa-s. And, too'-saugh, tho-s. And,'s hysterical and scary at the same time. But what this police militarization, you know, I think that first of all, Washington DC is out of control. You know, we've got we're supposed to have a constitution that limits the federal government to article one, section eight, and you know, in article one, section eight says the federal government can do these specific things, and then if we didn't specifically enumerated

Starting point is 00:40:28 in Article 1, Section 8, then the Federal Government can't be doing it. Now the Federal Government is doing everything from handing trillions of dollars to private banks, private companies, through, you know, through these bailouts and stimulus, to handing trillions of dollars to a military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military military militaryto handing trillions of dollars to a military industrial complex company for wars that we don't need to be fighting based on lies and manufactured intelligence. I'm talking about Kuwaiti

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Starting point is 00:41:36 flying out the door. And so if youthem begin to militarize the police, now all of a sudden the police are the standing army that the quote unquote founders warned us about. I say quote unquote because I'm a voluntarious myself. I don't believe the government is legitimate, desirable or necessary. I think everything the government does, we better be done by the free market, by mutual aid societies, by real, real charity. And so what it looks like to me is we, that, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the the the the the thi, the the the the, the the, the, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, thea, threate, threats, the, the, threats, the, tho, the, the, threate, the the, the, the the market, by mutual aid societies, by real, real charity. And so what it looks like to me is we've got an organized crime government that is now arming up the police with surplus military weapons

Starting point is 00:42:17 to, you know, and having them locked down the population, bankrupt, independent wealth on the, you know, on what, you know, appears to be lies about a pandemic that isn't really a pandemic. I'm not saying people aren't dying of some stuff, people buy all the all the time, but you know, there's a 99.96% recovery rate based on the government's own numbers for the quote-unquote COVID. And so, you know, are we really, really, you know, is that really why we're seeing, you know, businesses being locked down?

Starting point is 00:42:50 Or are we seeing the greatest transfer of wealth in human history, you know, as they're bankrupting independent businesses, independent coffee shops, independent restaurants, independent hotels, where, you know, at the expense of the chains and Amazon's and the Walmarts and, you know, is there something going on here? It looks to me like there's something else going on here and the police are being militarized to maybe put this down when society figures out who has robbed the bank. And so, so, you know, if the police don't want to go along with it, then what is the strongest card in their hand?

Starting point is 00:43:29 They've got to say no, and they've got to do it collectively. And if they're supported by the community, there's nothing the politicians can do to stop them. And so that's what, you know, we're all about. We're trying to give the police a way out so they can say no, so it doesn't turn in lots of Germany. I think that's a wonderful statement. I totally agree. We are the power. The masses are the power. You could look at any other country that's been through chaos, turmoil, political, upheaval.

Starting point is 00:44:05 It always starts the same way. Power gets condensed at the top. They start just basically get law enforcement to crack skulls. And it gets so bad that the people revolt, and there's so many more people than politicians and law enforcement that the people eventually win. And then the cycle starts all over again, right? And what I like about your organization is that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi, thi, thi thi gets thi gets the the, power gets the, power gets thi gets thi gets thi, power gets thi, power gets thi, power gets thi, power gets thi, power thi, power thi, power thi, power thi, power thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi people eventually win. And then the cycle starts all over again, right? And what I like about your organization is like,

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Starting point is 00:45:54 that sounds dumb, I know, but that's? Well, victimist crime and homeless don't really aren't really the same thing, Xavier. They're the ones causing those crimes. Like the other day, some lady stole a water bottle, and then you got 20 cops attacking her when people are just complaining, she's just something's wrong with her head. So how would you deal with that whole situation? Going in their guns loaded. So a lot of times the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police the police. the police. the police. the police. the police. the police. the police. their their their their they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're going. they're going. they're going. they're going. they're going. they's. they's. they's. they's. they's. they's. they's. they's. they's. they's. they's. they's. they're they're they're their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. to to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the to. their th. th. their th. th of times the police are acting without people actually calling

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Starting point is 00:47:02 the person can say, hey, I don't want this to go through the government's court system. I just want the kid to pay me back for the water bottle, and if he pays me back for the water bottle, then we'll just keep it out of the court system. The kid doesn't get a record, and we're gonna have restitution instead of retribution. And I really think that the goal of the, of, you know, of, you know, being a peace officer should be to see

Starting point is 00:47:29 that the victims get restitution, not that society gets retribution on somebody who may be a little crazy in the head, maybe on psychedelic drugs, things like that. I also, but I really wanted to follow up on something that Sam said with respect, that, you know, like, of, of, th, th, th, that, that, th, that, th, that, you, th, you, th, you, you, th, you, that, th, th, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, you know, you know, you know, you know, you, you, you, you know, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, you know, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thiiiiiiiiiii, thiii, thii, thi, thi, you know, you know, you know, you know, the thi, things like that. I also, but I really wanted to follow up on something that Sam said with respect that, you know, that, you know, like I said, I've got friends that are, that are, that are police officers. And I used to live in northern Virginia and kind of the tech corridor outside of Washington, DC, I'm a tech guy. And there was a, you know, two years ago, the legislature was trying to to to pass to pass to pass to pass to pass to pass to pass to pass to pass to pass a to pass a to pass a, you to pass to pass a, you to pass to pass to pass a, you. to pass a, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, a, you, a, a, you know, a, you know, a, you know, a, th. th. th. th. th. to, to, to, to know, to know, to, to, th. the, th. th. th. th. th. th. th., the legislature was trying to pass an assault weapon ban in Virginia.

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Starting point is 00:50:11 And then he's asking for our law enforcement to go kick in some yoga studio and write citations. And who knows who's inside that what they're about to go. You know, they're gonna kick in the door. Who knows inside who's inside that what they're about to go. You know, they're gonna kick in the door Who knows inside who's inside there? And it's like you're putting them in bad situation So I think as a society we have to go We're gonna ask our law enforcement to step down. We have to inform them that they're gonna be taken care of Because the truth of the matter to me is that you know law enforcement a lot the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, the law, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the. And the. And te. teat, teat, the a te. the a the a te. the a the a the a the. And, you know, law enforcement, a lot of people get into law enforcement because it pays and there's a retirement package at the end. But if things keep going the way they're going, that retirement package is never going to be there, man.

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Starting point is 00:51:23 We have problems with treasonous bastards who have sold their souls to people who don't even live in this country, in my humble opinion. Yeah, I also wanted to throw something else because I wanted to agree with Destory about Black Lives Matter and defund the police movement. I really do think that's meant to be divisive. It could be 100%.

Starting point is 00:51:45 Yeah, like some kind of federal law enforcement. And so I sympathize with the black community, but let's not hack at the branches of evil. Let's strike the root. The problem isn't the police. The problem is the police are being asked and forced by politicians to use violence against peaceful people for things that aren't really crimes. If we get rid of that, then that solves the problem of them turning every traffic stop into

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Starting point is 00:53:48 these these small businesses just because politicians told you to. Well I was just going to say another thing that I noticed too that a trend was when I first got into police work, you know, we actually had our discretion and we were given that discretion. And then all of a sudden, one day, out of the blue, it instead of saying can do, it changed in shall do. And it was a weird, it was a weird thing that happened and we didn't have any choice. And so one day it was can and then the next day it was shall. And so the older officers that knew that can do were like, hey, this doesn't feel right.

Starting point is 00:54:32 You know, I should be able to have my discretion. But the new officers that came in after that date that shall do, they didn't know that they even had a choice. And so the discretion has been taken away from police officers slowly without even knowing this new generation of officers don't even know that there was a discretion at one time to enforce certain things. Now of a sudden it's like you shall do this. So that's a big concern too. And that's just a training, whether it's on purpose or planned, I don't know, but it is scary. And another thing to go back on what you were talking about on purging of the military.

Starting point is 00:55:13 I do believe that the purging of police officers are happening because it seems like that most, a lot of police chiefs and sheriffs probably don't like officers questioning their authority themselves and that's unfortunate because I think that when when questions are asked we all learn by think doing some critical thinking and working the problem and trying to come up with solutions from that question and so I see that a lot and trying to come up with solutions from that question. And so I see that a lot of times, people in authority don't like to be questioned. That's another concern that I do see from the officers.

Starting point is 00:55:55 And when I first, when I was getting out of police work, well, just before we were transitioning from one police chief to another police chief. And one thing that the old police chief said in a department meeting was, he says, and he was, I think he couldn't wait to get out in that regard, but he says, wait until you see what the FBI is requiring of us as a local department's what we have to do to do. So the FBI and the feds were mandating local departments to do certain things that most people don't realize that are happening. And so I think that's why in reality too is we want to make sure that we keep our police departments local. We want to be able to have that opportunity to be able to go into the

Starting point is 00:56:43 with the sheriff, you know, you can go in directly and itto have that opportunity to be able to go into the with the sheriff with the sheriff you know you can go in directly and and it seemed like that even from the sheriff's department to police departments they were run a little bit different it seemed like that you know I was being a police officer we kind of ran a tighter ship and some of the officers were proud of that and then you know they kind of looked down upon the sheriff's department because they didn't really run roughshod on people that much. The reason being is because the sheriff is tied directly to an election. Whereas a police chief is not tied directly to the people or election.

Starting point is 00:57:20 There's a layer of bureaucracy that protects them in the sense of the city council and the mayor. And so the chiefs aren't really tied to the people, they're tied to bureaucrats. And that is a concern with that. Whereas a chief, whereas sheriffs are tied directly to the people and they, and the sher sheriffs really do need to listen if they're going to be reelected and most sheriffs you know politicians are always concerned good or bad about being reelected and so that's also another concern that you've got in police work that that needs to be you have a

Starting point is 00:58:00 microscope and we need to understand some of the problems that are coming out of those issues, the direct election versus non-election for police chiefs. So quick, sorry, I was muted there. I wanted to ask something, you know, when you become a police officer, do you have to take a psychological evaluation? Yes. And is there any thoughts that, whether, I don't know when you started being a police officer, but maybe the requirements changed? And is it possible that they look for somebody who will, one, listen,

Starting point is 00:58:44 but two, isn't afraid to mix it up and, you know, go and kick in the doors blazing fours if they need them to be. I'm sure in the military they have the science down where like, oh, this guy would be a great, you know, a great soldier for special forces because because his propensity for violence or whatever it may be. Do you think that happens in law enforcement? Yeah, I mean, you know, everything's changed

Starting point is 00:59:14 and I think it's become more progressive in that regards. I mean, it seems like in our society, we want government to solve our problems when in reality, it's so much better if we have individuals to individuals solve the problems. But it has changed. I mean, the psychological evaluations are changing. I would assume, like everything else. I mean, I don't need to look into that. That's a great question that we need to kind of see what questions they do ask.

Starting point is 00:59:47 But yeah, everything is evolving and changing. And usually police officers, not all, but usually they have type A personalities. And another thing too is kind of interesting. A friend of mine pointed out that, you know, again, they used to, they used to want veterans from, from the military to be in police work. And now, again, they're kind of clearing, staying away from veterans and again, going to those people that have degrees, they are coming from the schools that have no life experiences that are just thrown into police work. And, and they're kind of more, I would say online of order followers.. to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their to their to to their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the military military military military, to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the military military military military military military military military military military military military, to be the military military, the military, the military, the military, the military, the military, the military, the military, the military, the military, the military, the military, the military, the military, the military, the military, the military, the military, the military, the military, their their their their their their their to their their their toldea.ea.ea. toldea, to to to their their their their their the military military, the military, their that have no life experiences that are just thrown into police work. And they're kind of more, I would say,

Starting point is 01:00:27 online of order followers, they've been raised in a generation of government is the solution rather than the individual is the solution. So I think that, again, you have so many variables that are coming and crossing into, you know, into one point or one targeted area. I have a question. As we wrap this up, we're coming to the end.

Starting point is 01:00:55 What are some steps that the thick red line wants to take to help police reform? Are there certain topics or points that are very important to your mission that you guys would like to discuss right now? So maybe we can all try to kind of rally behind you guys and help you guys out? Is there certain like different goals or steps you guys want to take? Before he takes that, what do you guys think about the whole entire police riot team that quit together as a group? Oh, we're in Buffalo? No, in Portland. You didn't hear about that? No, oh, no, no. I know there was one where a bunch of one whole department stepped down because a cop got. Yeah, invited, yeah. And I was one Remaimanded. Is that kind of like we, what you guys are trying to do, group everyone together that way it makes it makes an impact?

Starting point is 01:01:48 Yeah, without a doubt. So, so right now, police officers, if they say no individually, they get fired, as was the case of Washington police officer, having a brain lock on his name, but I like the guy that did the video from the squad car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and so what we're saying is, is if you don't want to go along with it, then don't do it individually, get your buddies together and do it collectively because if peasants or even in some larger departments, hundreds of deputies or officers say no, then there's really nothing that the sheriff or the police chief can do. Now it's much easier if the sheriff goes first and the sheriff leads the way. And at Estuary's point, the sheriff is really, you know, I think kind of the linchpin in the sense

Starting point is 01:02:43 that he's elected official. Police chiefs typically work for the, uh, the,inchpin in the sense that he's elected official, police chiefs typically work for the, more supervisors, the mayor, and the city manager, and they're insulated from, you know, accountability for their decisions because they can't really be fired by the people, versus the sheriff, he's got to be reelected, and so he's not going to be as heavy-handed as a police chief is going to be........ And to be. And to be. And the to be. And the the the to be. And the, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, the, the, the, and so, the, the, and so, the, the, the, and so, the, the, the the the, the, the, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the police, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to be, he's got to be reelected, and so he's not going to be as heavy-handed as a police chief is going to be. And so what we're doing right now is we're going after the sheriffs that it really already said no,

Starting point is 01:03:16 either no to lockdowns, no to mask mandates, no to red flag laws, and we're trying to educate them on the goals of the thick red line project and we're trying to get them to say no to the politicians. We're relatively young organization or someone underfunded. What people can do, number one, is then go to thick red line. org. And they can take a look at our handbook.

Starting point is 01:03:44 They can print it out for free. They can order hard copies of the handbook and our cards for cops. And they can schedule a meeting with their local sheriff or police chief and just, you know, ideally bring other community organizations with you. Members of the community, get an in-person meeting and say, hey, flat out, we don't want you to be doing victimless crimes. We want you focused on real crimes and real victims. We have a program to create community ambassadors, and a community ambassador is somebody

Starting point is 01:04:17 that is willing to organize support for a sheriff or a police chief within their own community, get the town council on board, get the elected officials on board. One of the members of our board of advisors is an elected alderman in the city of Virginia's Vermont. And he says flat out, I don't want our officers focused on victimless crimes, on real crimes with real victims.

Starting point is 01:04:42 And so just educating your local city council or your local elected officials as to all the benefits that the town and the community would receive by going thick red line, the savings, you know, we don't need as many public defenders. We don't need as many, you know, public defenders. We don't have to spend a fortune on jailing people, on apprehension, on officer overtime, on, you know, officers we don't need, you know, doing things that get the community mad at them, and is really,

Starting point is 01:05:12 you know, probably, you know, costing community more money than it's breaking in excessive fines and what, you know, Sheriff Mack, who sits on our board of advisors calls taxation through citation. We don't want our officers raising revenue on our neighbors. We don't want them robbing our neighbors. And so that's something else that you can do. We're in the middle. We're trying to close out.

Starting point is 01:05:36 We've got $20,000. Go fund me going on. We'd like to get to the Freedom Fest conference where we w we would we would we would we would we would we would to to to get the to get to get the to get to get to get to the Freedom Fest conference where we would exhibit it with the Art of Liberty Foundation and kind of joint things. We're trying to raise some money for that. Those are all the things that you can do at thick red line.org. But we are, you know, we're trying to get this out in the community. Howard, lean in a little bit because, you know, W.W. Thick Red Line.org. All right. You got industry. Final thought? Just to add on that, I think one thing we need to do is also,

Starting point is 01:06:18 as a community rally around our police officers and tell the elected officials hands off our police officers. We need to kind of fight back and we need to fight for our police officers to kind of go back into being peace officers, public servants, and to give them the discretion. I think another thing too is I really like thick red line is that they actually do have Zoom calls that we can set up with the police officers that are kind of filling a little isolated. They can also also also the the the the the the the the the the they to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to fight to fight to to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to fight to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the police the police the police officers the the the police the the to the to the police to the to to the to to to to to to the police to to to with the police officers that are kind of filling a little isolated. They can also talk to other officers and see what they're doing and trying to get some ideas and share ideas. And so I think that's a great thing as well.

Starting point is 01:06:56 And then I think the last thing is, is the officer has to educate himself. The process of basically the fighting against the cognitive dissidents that we've all all, th, we th, we th, we all, we all, we all, we all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all have all have all have all have all have all have all have all all all have all have to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the, we all, the to to to the to the the the to to the to the the the the the thia.o, we all all all have the the the the the the thia. The process of basically the fighting against the cognitive dissidents that we've all, we all have to fight against because we've all been there and we've all have to start to awaken and it's kind of like the matrix. We have to start taking the red pill and start to open our eyes even though it hurts. We need to really track down the truth. And again, it's going to take the officer wanting and having that desire to educate themselves. And there's going to be times that that officer is going to feel lonely, but doing the right thing is the best thing for all of us.

Starting point is 01:07:39 And so those are some of the things that I can see along with what Howard is talking about on going to thick redline.org and reading and printing out that information and hopefully get those local ambassadors involved and getting talking to individual officers and hopefully maybe getting more and more officers on board in their communities. I would love that man. I would love that. I would love that, man. I would love that. I would love a way to let police officers know that they're not alone if they don't want to enforce ridiculous mandates.

Starting point is 01:08:14 And they help educate them. And I think thick red line is a big part of that. And anything I can do to help, because, you know, there's places where they don't have a lot of law enforcement you go talk to them they're like no we want the police around it gets awful when the police aren't around and the people that are trying to push this narrative about defunding the police they all live in gated communities okay they all have private security that's what they have they want rules for thee and not for me and that's really what's the th. the th. tho's the the the th. th. the the the the. the the the the th. the. the the the. to to the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. they. theymea. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thea. and not for me. And that's really what's going on. And it's a nice balance, okay?

Starting point is 01:08:49 And we have to learn to balance it. And being a police officer is not a black and white job. It is a lot of gray. And again, they don't get called into when everything's awesome. They get called in specifically for some very, very crazy moments. And those moments, you're not going to be able to follow any book on how to deal with it. And it's just chaos. And you know, go ride with the cop if you want to find out how bad it could get.

Starting point is 01:09:21 Because it can get really bad.they get called into some bad situations. And we have 320 million people in this country, okay? And God knows how many of them are cops. And you're gonna take one individual moment in a video and say that's all police officers. It's ridiculous. You're getting mentally, mentally manipulated. And then police officers have to understand that, you know, the masses aren't the enemy, you know, and bad drug laws aren't worth, you know, enforcing, man, because it's like,

Starting point is 01:09:57 let's save prison for violent people or people who steal, stuff like that, like on a mass schedule. Let's put these on a mass level. Let's put these bankers in the jail and not somebody who's stealing a water bottle because they have no money and they need, like we need some compassion. It is a long, long journey, but I'm glad to know you guys are trying to do and whatever this little show could do,

Starting point is 01:10:24 I hope we reach some people and open their minds their the again, like I always say, they say in recovery all the time, look for the similarities, not the differences, okay? Find what you connect with someone about, and that includes police officers or people who are in rough times and are down and out and just might have to do something to survive. Have an understanding of what they're th th th th their their their their their they they they they're they're th th their they're they're th th they're th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi tho tho thi their thi. And thi. And thi. And thi. And thi. And they're they're their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thi. And thi. And thi. And thi. And thi. And thi. And thia. thoooooooooooooooooooes. And, thoooooes. And, thoes. And out and just might have to do something to survive, have an understanding of what they're going through and show a little love and respect. Howard, Destry, thank you so much for coming on. It was a real honor to talk to you guys again.

Starting point is 01:10:56 And let's have this conversation again in the future, and hopefully we'll open some minds. I appreciate you. Thank you for having us, appreciate that. Yeah, thank you, thanks, Sam. All right guys, thank you so much for tuin. I hope to see you in Alaska, and we'll do it again soon. Take care of Swarm, have a great weekend.

Starting point is 01:11:14 We go deep home, boy. Eric, open your mind. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron! This is only the beginning. You just blew my mind. Tim foil hack.

Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #469: The Thick Red Line Of Law Enforcement with Howard Lichtman and Destry Griffiths (Bonus Episode)

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