Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #481: The Great Occult Magick Debate with Isaac Weishaupt and Alex Kazemi

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Starting point is 00:04:39 Very excited. This gentleman I believe is making his, I think this might be the record for most appearances on the show the big double-digit boy ten appearances please welcome the man the myth of legend Isaac Wysip everybody welcome back bro more more stuff on the wall gradually the wall grows with entertainment yeah it's creeping with cool art. Yeah, well you build it all up. You have the interesting map behind you. That wasn't that the Q map they called it for a while? Yeah, that's the Great Awakening poster. Q's on there, yeah, definitely. So, are you into the Great Awakening? Are you into the Great Awakening? Are you into the big old sleeping? Is that what you think we're getting into?

Starting point is 00:05:28 I think there was some Great Awakening going on with that Q thing. I disagreed with a lot of the Q stuff, but a lot of the stuff they were talking about, you know, it got people interested, so I think that is going to have some repercussions. I think that's going to snowball effect. A lot of people, a lot of people in my personal life would come up and talk to me about conspiracy stuff that I would have expected to come up and talk to me about it. I like that. I like that answer and I agree with that wholeheartedly. And then also joining us on his second, his first appearance the second time. Uh, look at those glasses, thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I's. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I's thi. I's thi. I'm thi. thi. I'm thi. thi. thi. I'm thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's th. I's thi. I's thi. I's thi. I's thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm to. I'm to. I'm toe. I'm toe. I'm toe. I'm toe. toe. toe. th. toe. th. th. thi. th. I'm the second time. Look at those glasses making me think he's up to some shady-ass shit right now. This guy. Most appearances on the show without actually appearing on the show. This guy's not most appearances without appearing on the show.

Starting point is 00:06:15 He's the author of Pop Magic. Alex Kazemi. How are you, buddy? What up man, so nice to be here. Again. Thanks for coming on, buddy. What's new?? to to to to to thi. to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. He. the. thea. to. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. thea. thea. thea. thea talk today. Thanks for coming on, buddy. What's new in your life? Nothing man. It's fucking hot-ass heat wave here in BC and Vancouver really sucks. I don't like the heat, don't like summertime. So that's really all going on with it. What's that? I'm with him. I'm sticking on the summer. Well, that's why you got to get some like, I hate summer, I the summer, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, th, th. What, th. What, th. What, th. What, th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. What, th. What, th. What, that, that, that, that, thi, that, that, thi-a, that, that, that, thi-a, that, thi, thi, that, thi, summer. Well, that's why you gotta get some like, I hate summer.

Starting point is 00:06:45 I love summer. I know, but you know, I just want to move farther and closer to San Diego, dude. That's where it's at. It's milder, yeah. Miami or San Diego, and I know Miami is humid, but those chicks make you forget about that. They make you forget about that. So, Alex, you know, everybody, everybody, everybody's a legend on this show, but a lot of people won't know you from your last non-appearance. Why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and what you got going on? Yeah, I'm the author of a book called Pop Magic has a foreword

Starting point is 00:07:19 by Rose McGowan. It's a book about magic and alchemy and kind of unveils what people like Isaac have kind of always known about the fashion and music and entertainment industry and that you know a lot of people in power are practicing magic and you know the most recent thing that happened in my life kind of a flex as Madonna posted herself reading my book and she posted four Instagram stories about it which kind of changed my life and posted herself reading my book and she posted four Instagram stories about it which Wo kind of changed my life and I had no idea she was going to do that and I had no idea she was going to caption Illuminati High Priestess on the picture as well so so I'm processing everything with you guys so how how do you interpret that because

Starting point is 00:08:03 a lot of people think that Madonna has danced that dark dance? What is your thoughts on that? The thing is that's so interesting to me about her choosing that language and that wording is I have called myself in the media illuminati prince. So I feel like she must have, you know, kind of attached herself to what I was doing a little bit, which is so cool. But I don't think she's fucked with the dark side of magic. I think she's more on the positive side of magic, which is Kabbalah and the most advanced form of magic.

Starting point is 00:08:35 Well, she has talked, she has tweeted before about you can't unsell your soul. I think I think I think the metaphor of selling your soul in Hollywood is very accurate. Like as a, see like with Manson, you know, I think that is more applicable than with Madonna. You know what I mean? In what sense? I think he fucked with a lot of dark magic and I know that for a fact actually. So that and so it's just very interesting you know I don't know Isaac if you've seen this video at all about like people breaking down where all these kind of mid-level rappers and there's so many of them now with sound cloud and Instagram and all that stuff you know know, so, and at my age, it's not really my job to be, have my finger on the pulse of like the latest indie rappers. But, you know, rapper after rapper and his thing talking about selling their soul.

Starting point is 00:09:37 And what is involved with that? So, what are your thoughts on like Madonna,? I mean you've done my show a lot. We've broken down Katie Perry, all the stuff on that. All the people like her, you know, who was it? Katie Perry? Britney Spears, B. Billy Ilish, like all the imagery with them. And you know, so, and then I just want to say like when I think about me Growing up when I grow to was growing up a CDC Metallica Slayer Ozy there was so much Judas Priest Satan imagery it was a diss that I was young and I just thought they were rallying against it or were they doing the exact same thing? And we're just all being fucking hypocrites at this point. What's your thoughts, Isaac?

Starting point is 00:10:29 Yeah, so the Faustian bargain idea, obviously, I'm sure you guys have treaded over this material many times, so I won't go in depth on it. But you know, you go back to like Robert Johnson, the blues singer who literally said he made a deal with the devil at the crossroads that was corroborated by a friend of his at the time who said he in fact didn't have any guitar playing abilities at all before the the the deal to sell his soul happened. Well all this and you talk about like the rockers from the 80s and like how it's sort of a stick and like I think there's like everything in life that's it's it's it's it's it's it's. it's.. it's. it's the.. it's more. It's more. It's more. It's more. It's more. It's more. It's more. It's more. It's more. It's more. It's more. It's more. It's the the the the the the the the the. It's the the the the the the. It's to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the th. the the th. It's th. th. thi. the the thi. the the the. the the the. thi. the the the. the the the the the the the the the the the th about like the rockers from the 80s and like how it's sort of a stick.

Starting point is 00:11:05 And like I think there's like everything in life, it's more complicated than just a surface black or white thing. I believe that on one level, yes, it's a stick that can get attention and move numbers and all that. But on another level, I think it fits into this larger goal, this larger pursuit of usuring in the, the ushering........................ And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and all that. But on another level, I think it fits into this larger goal, this larger pursuit of ushering in this new world order, which we talked about the Great Awakening a second ago. That's what this is all about. That's what people are waking up to finally, that all the crazy conspiracy talk about this global government and this mass population surveillance and control to the level of, you know, forcing, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thi, thi, thi, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thu thu thu thu thu thuu thuuuuu thu thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thus, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thus, to to to to to to to to to thus, to thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, global government and this like mass population surveillance

Starting point is 00:11:46 and control to the level of, you know, forcing certain things into your body. All this is unfolding right in front of us. And we see when we go through like the Great Reset talk and how these globalists are like they're just obsessed with creating this new global religion and this new spirituality that feeds into what I believe being on, you know, and I've read Alex's book, right? There's a lot of overlap with, like I don't disagree with everything he's saying. I'm not like, I'm not like, oh, Alex's worshiped Satan. I'm not, I'm not saying that, but like, there's some elements of what he says that I like.

Starting point is 00:12:26 Like, he said he saw Spring Breakers 30 times. I wanted to ask him about that. Spring Breakers is one of my favorite movies. Not a lot of movie. I love that movie. But yeah, and I don't knowthere was a time I was down with that hey I was gonna say I think times have changed because when you grew up it was slip not it was like oh no no I'm way before what you know

Starting point is 00:12:55 but the way before that like it was like the all that. Now it's like Lady Gaga. It's in there, but it's like sublibinal. It's thrown in there subliminal and with you was in your face. It was like, here's the saying, here's the devil, here's Ozzy, Screamo. And with us, I didn't see that. Okay, it was subliminal. So what I'm actually took what you were about about about about about about about about about about about the here right and then I don't know who was who would be a pop guy when I was young even though I'm older than them but in sync right you never saw in sync or a very very mannolo would be a pop guy when you were young I think come on dog that's just rude dude no and not bad old he was a huge in the

Starting point is 00:13:43 80s what are you talking about? I know, but he was still well established by that. Like, usually the, I don't know who was like the pop people back then. Maybe. It's hair band, hair metal. But, but, but they did that stuff that was meant to be like more corporate, arsemiths. But, but they, but they, but they, but they, but they, but they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they they, but, but, but, but, but, they, they, they did, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they. They. They. They. They. They. They. They. They, they, they, they they, they they they they they they they they they they they they they they did, they did, they did, they did, they did, they did, they did, they did, they did, they did, they did, they did, they, they, that the the the more corporate Erasmus are doing okay that pop comedy pop the pop is okay Aerosmith right I mean they started out legit, but then kind of went more poppy right so they They are more they were like they weren't blatant with any Satanism where like somebody like Billy Elish is like so in your face with it. And she's totally for young people, right? I mean that seems to be the biggest difference.

Starting point is 00:14:32 Even you talk about like sort of like back in the day how it was more like sort of overt. In my book, the Dark Path, I had a section on Little Richard. And if you read a book called The Life in Times a little Richard, he actually talked about this power of darkness and I've got the quote here he says the power that you've heard so much about the power that a lot of people don't believe exists, the power of the devil, Satan, we must realize that there's a force that is fighting against us in this world. So even back then and you know Robert Johnson was from, I don't know, the 1920s, 30s, 40, something like that. There's been this sort of knowledge of this going on in the industry for a long time, and I think it used to just be dismissed, and I would argue that because everyone's looking into conspiracy, everyone's questioning the sort of authorities of our world today.

Starting point is 00:15:26 Everyone's looking at these big tech companies censoring everything. People are aware, like, I would argue like maybe over half the population is still pretty ignorant and doesn't care, but like that number of truth or people is growing for sure that are tuned into some of these ideas. Well I think, you know, from what you were saying about, you know, the 80s rock and the Satanic Bible and Levian Satanism and all that type of stuff blowing up. The big problem with that is that it's actually real and it's powerful. And the kids who misinterpreted it and just, you know, kind of fucked with it and thought it was a joke. A lot of them fucked up their lives. Like, I know a lot of people who discovered the Satanic Bible at a very young age,

Starting point is 00:16:07 and they evoked demons and all this type of stuff, and they're still messed up from this day. And it's because of the magic that they discovered in the satanic Bible. And I think the problem with Leveyan Satanism is isthat only your will is the only one that matters and that you can curse people and hurt people and do anything which is very similar to like Hollywood's corporate values, you know, so there is a Satanism going on in the background and also the reason that we're talking about it more is that because of the internet age and the age of Aquarius, right? It's harder to be secretive and occult, like how they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they could they could they could they could they could they could they could they could they could they could th th th th th th th because of the internet age and the age of Aquarius, right, it's harder to be secretive and occult, like how they could keep things secret behind the scenes. And you know, if like a UTA agent wanted to go to like a ritual or something and like the

Starting point is 00:16:54 Hollywood Hills or something like that, they could keep that all super secret back them, but now it's all out in the open being tracked in emails, the the the open, the open, the open, of stuff. So it's out there, but it's not new. It's been lurking in the background for a very long time, which is why I thought this was a great time to write my book. I agree with what you're saying. You know, so I was growing up, I had a couple people in my life. That why I was friends with good friends, and then one day Slayer showed up. Just Slayer was everywhere. And I never really got into Slayer toy much later. And just to be honest with you, I like some of their stuff. I'm more of a Metallica guy. I mean, I like Metallica and I guess they have their imagery as well. But man, these kids, these buddies of mine, they started listening to Slayer, man. And next thing you know, they were like, I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, it, it, it, it, it's, it's, it's, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th, th. th. thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. theee. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the. the. the, these buddies of mine, they started listening to Slayer, man.

Starting point is 00:17:45 And next thing you know, they were like, I mean, it's very interesting, you bring that up, man. It's very interesting you bring that up because I think about these guys in my life, and like, they just went to shit, and I hate saying that, because now they're like, they're cleaning their lives up, they're doing, their, their, their, their, their, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. thin, thin, thi, th. thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th..... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they's, they's, they're, th. they's, they's, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're like they're cleaning their lives up they're doing all that stuff and it's coming from a drug addict sex addict okay so you know I don't really have any room to judge anybody you know I live in a glass house I shouldn't be throwing thing but they definitely went on a weird run that was a different projector projection of where they were going to

Starting point is 00:18:21 be gone before that and they definitely fell off I don't know but they were going to be going before that. And they definitely fell off. I don't know but they were... Did you buy candle magic? You know what, man? It's very weird, man. I never saw any of that shit. I saw some wigi boards, but it was done for fun. But I never saw any of that.

Starting point is 00:18:38 They really got into metal. They really got into like World War II and maybe start studying like Nazis you get like yeah suddenly like they were just consumed with World War II and maybe you get into the Nazis I mean I'm pretty sure that happened to hip-hop people will listen to gangstrap you were gonna work in a world war two and no I'm saying you start listening to gangstrap then what are you doing selling drugs like now these kids are listening to Lean. What are they doing? Drinking Lean?

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Starting point is 00:21:38 We the people holsters dot com slash tinfoil hat. We the people holsters dot.com slash tin foil hat. This is what I mean. This is what I dislike is because you know I even want to I almost wanted to pick a bone with Manson about this is because you know obviously when he was promoting Leve in the late 90s and Levean Satanism and the satanic Bible became like such a big bestseller at the time. Antichrist Superstar came out and he himself had evoked it become some type of demon, you know, at that time in his career. And you know, there were these kids who were into black magic because of the aesthetic. It seemed glamorous, right? But they're teenagers, they're young, they're impulsive, they don't

Starting point is 00:22:19 know what they're doing. So they're really evoking these low vibrational demons and they're attaching them to them and they're getting drug addictions and fetish addictions and all this type of stuff and they're just kids. And I'm like, maybe Manson didn't know what he was doing, but I'm like, there's some type of weird bidding, right? Like, it's too fucked up. Even the fact that Antichrace Superstarrace star star star star star star star star star that that that that that that that well. They blamed him for Columbine too.

Starting point is 00:22:47 Yeah, that was stupid though. That's dumb. Like, I, this is from someone who knows him, like, you know, and the paranormal shit that would happen in my life when I would communicate with him, no other person. Like he, the man is deeply haunted in black magic, and he's open about it. I feel like he is I don't know about Trent though Trent seems more maybe chill

Starting point is 00:23:11 But that's true that's true. That true. Yeah, I mean that guy's I mean gone through some can you do you have any do you have a Impressive example of paranormal shit happening your life after communicating with him? You said something. Oh yeah, of course, like one time like I was like, you know, sleeping and then I had like sleep paralysis and then I woke up and it was three in the morning or not making this up and I look down at my phone and he's he texted me and he's like, wake up. And I'm not saying that he was doing magic on me or something like that, but we were collaborating and working at the time and we were friends and he's very powerful, but I think that what we've seen happen to him in the public right now is a byproduct of all the black magic he's done. I know it. I know it for a fact and I swear by that because he I know that he openly talks about who he worked with demons to get famous And the thing about working with angels versus demons is that demons are all about instant gratification

Starting point is 00:24:09 They'll give you something faster But the price is so much more fucked up and they will fuck with you all the time angels won't do that So I want to get your guys is paying Isaac if you have any take on what you're saying, please jump in. Don't, oh, I definitely, I definitely got some takes on. I don't want to hijack the. No, dude, hijack away. Go hard, man. Okay, so like my, I'm hesitant to take this sort of Christian warrior to put this sort of

Starting point is 00:24:37 Christian warrior hat on because like I'm very shitty at it. I have a lot of problems with faith, I have a lot of problems with organized religion, but that being said, like that's still my team, right? And when I look at, like if I read this book, one of the best books I've ever read, it's by Father Seraphim Rose, called Orthodoxy in the religion of the future. I don't know if Alex, have've ever heard of this or not? No, I've never read it. Okay, this is from like, this was like a monk. He was a gay dude and he became a monk and he wrote this

Starting point is 00:25:10 he wrote a series of books. The other one was called On Nileism that was again on point. This is like the 60 of the future, this dude knew the whole script 60 years ago, the whole script of exactly how our world is shaping right now, okay? And his whole sort of stick, which I subscribe to, I'm not, it's not quite yet the hill I'm ready to die on, but I'm getting closer and closer, the more weird shit happens in our society. The, the angle he's trying to get across in the book is that the powers that be in entertainment specifically

Starting point is 00:25:53 are being influenced by evil forces to bring about the end of Christianity, so that they can bring in this vague spirituality that has this idea of like this cosmic consciousness, kind of woo-woo globalist sort of thing. Interesting. Very self-centered. And get this, and he even talks about how the scientist will be put in the future.

Starting point is 00:26:18 Back in the 60s, he's talking about in the future, which is like now, the scientists in the future will be pushing for contact with aliens. And his his thing was, we don't know, it talks about pre-lest. It's a term where common men and women have no, we don't have the power of discernment to know what we're in communications with, which is where, you know, to sort of lob a critique Alex's way, which I'm not trying to be combative. Because again, like I read the book and- You combative, it's all good. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of good, there was a lot of good thoughts in the book about positive thinking. And I really do believe, and I talked to Sam about this in XG and I was out there, that

Starting point is 00:26:56 law of attraction idea of positive thinking. Like that's a hundred, that, that, that, that, that, that, tha, that, that, tha, that, tha, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, there's a a a lot, there's a there's a lot, there was a lot, there was a lot, there was a lot, there was a lot, there was a lot, there was a lot, there was a lot, there was a lot, there was a lot, there's a lot, there's a lot, there's a lot, there's a lot, there's a lot, there was a lot, there was a lot, But the pro, where Alex and I sort of diverge is, I don't mess with the magic stuff, I don't mess with the ghost hunting stuff anymore. I don't mess with none of that, because I believe firmly that, kind of like Sam's talking about his friends listening to Slayer, you know, just because you listen to slayer doesn't mean you're going to be possessed by the demons, but like it definitely starts opening doors up. I agree with that.

Starting point is 00:27:26 That facilitates this thing and magic is openly asking for it. I mean, how many rappers sing about getting shot and shooting and get shot? It happens all, I don't know what it is, dude. I don't know what this world we live in and like every time I think I understand it, I just some new layer or wrinkle comes that just throws the whole thing off. But it seems to be the energy you put out is the energy you get back. Like the more and more I study that. I say it all the time. Three things I practice in my life that help my life as a law of attraction a mile of abundance love thy neighbor you know and when I practice those my life

Starting point is 00:28:09 changes for the better oh yeah so I I got another one but just real quick but shoot me thing you know the song come together you know the beginning part that we're gonna shoot yeah yeah just John Lennon saying shoot me really I mean that's what that's what the rumor is, yeah. And if you listen to the multi tracks, that's what he's saying. But how crazy is that these fools rap about them, then you know, the baby said a gay comment on Lollapolz and they're counseling him.

Starting point is 00:28:35 Because he said a gay comment, but God're blowing their mind. It's just everything to drive people crazy. But to go back to this, it's like, yeah, man, it's kind of interesting, dude, the energy you put out, the energy you get back and you look at this stuff and how many people like, everyone's like he predicted his death or it's like, did he bring it on by constantly talking about it? You see that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that thi thi thi thi thi tho- thi thi their thi. thi. thi. thi. I thi. I thi. thi. thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. I I I thi. I's thi. thi. they's they's thi. thi. thi. they're thi. they're thi. I'm thiiii. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. Yeah, thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah, about it. You see that all the time. Well yeah, I mean wasn't, I mean, I'm pretty sure X, Z. I don't know how to fucking say his name, XX, whatever. He was into, he was into magic. He was, he would openly talk about magic and black magic. But yeah, from what Isaac was saying, I just want to get back to that for a minute. Yeah, so your concept is more about the idea that, you know, we with our self-will are not

Starting point is 00:29:27 powerful enough to discern what's happening in the spirit world, so therefore, any time we think we're communicating with an entity or most likely being deceived, right? And I empathize with that point of view, but I also disagree with it because it comes from an Abrahamic, not dogmatic kind of Christian fear-based way of thinking and though there are beautiful things about the Bible and beautiful things about Christianity, I mean the whole 12 steps are rooted in things that come from Christianity and have helped so many non-Christian people, you know, there are beautiful values, love thy themselves, all that whatever. But the reason I have problem with it is because it's too reductive and it gives Christianity

Starting point is 00:30:13 and God and all of that dogma too much power when we as humans might actually be more spiritual, more cosmic, more new agey than we think. And I think, if anything, people who are deceived by Christianity and the dogmatic aspects of it and they're too, following it too much, could be a missing out on aspects of magic or spirituality that can change their life that isn't Christian. And I think, you know, it gets difficult, right? Because Christianity has a lot of interesting things about lust, you know, and all, and the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, people, people, people, people, people, people, thi, people, thi, thi, people, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi., thii., thiiiii., thii., thiiii. people thi. People, thi. People, thi. People, thi. their life that isn't Christian. And I think, you know, it gets difficult, right? Because Christianity has a lot of interesting things about lust, you know, and all the, you know, the no-fab community would agree with that.

Starting point is 00:30:53 And I think, yeah, I just, I don't really agree with that, but I get it, though. I get it, like, how am I so sure I'm working with this spirit when? How am I so sure I'm working with this spirit when it could be someone deceiving me? I mean, maybe vibration can discern it, you know, the how you feel, I don't know. Well, I think, and you know, this is your book not mine, but but if I recall, you may mention of a couple instances where like they made, you know, after contacting whatever, like one of them made you fall down on drug, the book, the book, the book, the book, the book, the book, the book, the book, the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I'm, and I'm, and, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, th.. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and I'm, and I'm, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, th. And, th. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, I, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, I... And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, I. And, and, th. And, th. And, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th.them made you fall down while the drug year in the room. So like you've had some bad, you know, brushes apparently, right? So I mean, well, like I had sleep, like when I first started doing magic,

Starting point is 00:31:31 I would get sleep paralysis all the time because I was opening myself up the spirit world. The problem is, is not a problem, but going down this path, people are not tha, tha, th. th. th. thi, th. thi, th. thi, thi, the, to, the, to, to, to, the, the, to, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, they. they. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, they. I. I. they. they. they. they. they. theymea, theymea, theymea, they.a, they.a, they. they. toe, they. toe, to realize if you're opening up the light, you're also opening up the dark. And it's a polarity and it's there are two treasure chest that will be open because if you're open to the upper unseen etheric worlds, well guess what? You're you're gonna be attacked by entities sometimes when you're in a low vibrational frequency or low vibrational state and that does happen and a lot of people have a lot of fear about this stuff.

Starting point is 00:32:05 I mean, one of the reasons people don't practice magic is because they're afraid. And also, this is why it's been kept secret for so long. It's because it's not a path for everyone, right? And people are like, well, you wrote a mainstream book, well, about magic. And I'm like, no, because it'll it it it it it it it it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. th. th. thi, thi. thi. th. thi. thi. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi read this book and actually practice the occult. I don't know. Yeah, but and I think I think that a book like yours is and don't take this disrespectfully or nothing. I think it's co-opted by sort of more mainstream media sources.

Starting point is 00:32:39 Like I know you've you've splashed the the you know news, a few news I'm sure you know, I couldn't name off my head, but like, you know, pretty big news sites. Yeah. Talking about your book and obviously Madonna, right? And Rose McGowan, like, there's a lot of I've never had the mainstream media be like, hey, let's do a thing about your book. You know, it's because I think the ideas of magic are instrumental to this new world order global government thing where they want to, and let's talk about Madonna. Let's talk about Madonna.

Starting point is 00:33:23 That's a better way to give an example. Because the, if we call them the Illuminati, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the book, th, the book, th, th, the book, thi, thi, thi, the book, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, the the the the the the th, the book, the book, th, th, th, the book, thi, thi, the book, the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the th about Madonna. That's a better way to give an example. Because if we call them the Illuminati, this New World Order stuff, they have this sort of fantasy of this perfected society, perfected man, abandoning the traditional structures of religion. Yeah. Because you know, with religion comes a lot of problems, clearly. But Madonna, she did a song with Quavo from the Migos called Future, which ironically was written by Diplo, who if I read in your book, you. Yeah, I'm friends with him on doing the

Starting point is 00:33:58 having them dressing drag for Magic. Yeah, yeah. Because, because the attitudes with everyone. Yeah, yeah, because because the attitudes Oh, hold stop stop So when that guy on Saturday Night Live to dress in a woman as a as a girl You were a part of that? No, no, no, no no No, no, no, no, no, no Deep little the DJ. He's dope. I like him, but yeah, I don't like that. Okay. Okay. to blow. the. the. he. he. he. he. he. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. Stop. Stop. Stop. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. He's. Stop. Stop. that. that. that. that. the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the the th. the that that that that that that that that that that that that that's not kid cutting. And is that the guy you said just got busted for murder? No, that's Jadikas. No, no, no. No, no. To blow, we were just kind of fucking with it. It was like a pop media virus. It was just a, like an apex the unexpected, like a dryer that won't dry or an AC that's lost at school.

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Starting point is 00:36:03 But like Madonna and Quavo, they did the song Future. And the lyrics, if you listen to the lyrics, they're saying not everyone's coming to the future, not everyone that's here is gonna last. They say, it's the future, crucifixion on a cross, but you know I'm rising above it all. And the song and my interpretation, and if you look at there's a video from the Eurovision's awards, where Quable and Madonna at the top of this pyramid and the masses, I mean, clearly it's like the sheeple, are all sort of mindlessly walking up this pyramid and

Starting point is 00:36:40 fallen off the back side of it, because that shows you exactly what this globalist plan is, is they want to like have these elitists at the top and everyone else kind of like in Fritz Lang's metropolis. It's like everyone else is just feeding the big Moloch machine, slaving away. Like that's what they want, and they sell it as, oh, it's this perfected society. And all these globalists have these global global global global global global global global global global is is is these global is these global is these global is these And all these globalists have all these hard-ons for, oh, yeah, we're gonna make sure everyone has

Starting point is 00:37:07 the right amount of food and natural resources by putting it on a blockchain and telling you what you can drink and eat and when you can do this and that and the other. And they're gonna sell it as all, it's for the protection of everybody. And it's like, thi thi thi, thi, th. th. th. thi. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I's, thi. I's, thi. I's, thi. thi. thi. thi. too. to to to to th. th. th. th. the right, the right. the right, the right, the right, the right. the right. the right. the right. to everyone. to everyone. to everyone. to everyone. to everyone. to everyone. to everyone. to to too. th. too. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. too. th. th. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. the. who already have tried to squeeze everything out of everyone else, and this is the last push of what you need so you can live this perfected immortality life in the rest of us. Well, I kind of just, I disagree with that because I think what Madonna is talking about

Starting point is 00:37:34 on that song is mostly about Kabbalah is like the idea that when you awaken yourself to the tree of life and the Sephirot and you are taking care of your consciousness and you're living a hyper-conscious life, you know, we're going into a more age of aquarium, enlightened age and not everyone can come with us if they don't want to practice spirituality that is basically like magical and spiritual, like people are not awake, people don't want to open them up. So I think she's talking about Kabbalah and I know that sounds elitist, but I don't find it elitist because it's a choice. I mean I

Starting point is 00:38:12 think the reason she posted my book is she was like, look, like I used magic to get to where I am, I used the power of my mind. I use, I mean, Kabbalah was later on in her life, but if any way, she was always doing a sense of magic. I mean, she said, I want to rule the world on TV and then she did it. You know, like, there's a will, and that is very similar to, you know, personal development, like Tony Robbins type, you know, stuff, right, that is if you want to be here, if you want to get to Z from from A from from from from from from? So the problem is though, is that people are skeptical. So then it makes occultists and magicians and witches

Starting point is 00:38:49 and all these people look like, you know, that we're just trying to like hoard it all for ourselves and that like we're not, but anyone can do it because they have access to it, you know, but then see this is where where where where where where where where where where I get what you're saying, like everyone who is praising magic is usually like rich, privilege, you know, and apparently what I've done some studies on is apparently like astrology and magic and occultism and all the same stuff used to only be for like the plutocratic, like rich people, like it started that way.

Starting point is 00:39:22 Like it started out as an elusive. Would talk about how the ideas of ale the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the themy theasy the would talk about how the ideas of alchemy were not meant for the masses because they were too stupid to get it and and like and look again like I'm not come back I'm not being combative I don't I don't disagree with some of these alita sometimes because I look around at society they yeah we live with a bunch of morons yeah yeah dude yeahthere's some people got no chance. That's right. So, so my question is this. It's like, you know, and I'm loving this conversation. It's just like, so it's like, I mean, religion, organized religion versus magic, right? But what is right? What is wrong? Both of them have bad, bad records, right? I mean, like, I mean, like, I mean, like, I mean, like, I mean, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the, the. the. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. So, the, the. So, the. So, the, the. So, the th. So, th. So, th. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, the of them have had bad records, right? I mean like, I mean like Christianity,

Starting point is 00:40:11 my best friend from high school, I'm about to go home and celebrate a big reunion from my graduating class. All the boys are going back. And one of my good friends has lived in our hometown the whole time. And when he went to college he came back extremely religious and what he always talked about was how he practiced the same Christianity that Jesus practiced and that was a big thing for him and the one thing I will tell you is that he's always been happy, he's always been a nice guy. At first he would always

Starting point is 00:40:43 want to try to, you know, like, help me convert. But he really chilled out on that. But he never was like a super judgmental dude. He never pushes views on anybody. So I wonder if that is a different thing than what we're seeing is organized, organized religion, in particular the Roman Catholic Church, and what the Roman Catholic Church is doing. And like, hey, guess what I'm going to say. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. He, th. He, th. He, th. He, th. He, th. He, th. He, th. He, th. He, th. He, th. He, th. He, th. He, th. He, th. He, th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. t. ttoda. toda. ttoda. toda. toda. toda. toda. today, th. th. th is doing. And like, hey, guess what I must say it? There's some stuff involved in a Judaism that seems to be not on the up and up as well. There's no body like the Roman Catholic Church that you can point to, but there are some issues in Judaism. And guess what?

Starting point is 00:41:19 Islam as well. All these organized religions have some dark, dark sides to them. But you know, there's also there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's also there's also there's also there's also there's also there's also there's also there's also there's also there's also their also their also also their also their also their also their also their also their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the their. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their the their the the. theoomoomorrow. thooooomorrow th th th th th th theooooooooooooooooooomoomorrow th th th th th, dark sides to them. But you know, there's also people who practice these things. They're very pure of heart too as well. So, and then magic, we can get into magic as well. Like, yeah, there's people out there who I meet witches all that are like just loving nature. And then you got Marilyn Manson out there doing like making Canadian boys paralyzed, you know, with sleep paralysis. So like, what are we doing with that?

Starting point is 00:41:50 So it's like it's just a very interesting conversation and maybe, just maybe, you know, I say it's all the time, it's like, the idea is an evil, the, the person wielding the idea will decide whether it is evil or not. Do you understand like, like, you know, I mean, like... That's exactly it. And I feel like Sam, as an artist, you know that, like, you know, you would never shame people in their creative expressions if they're not harming anyone in the same way that a lot of people who interpret Christianity try to induce shame and guilt into people over their expressions, which doesn't help anyone. You know what I mean? Like, you know, the Christian boy who's like

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Starting point is 00:43:15 None of it is inherently bad. Christianity isn't even inherently bad. You know what I mean? It's an application. That's one of my hang-ups with Christianity is like the shaming of like sexuality stuff. Like obviously like they're very much against, like I think the Orthodox Church came out maybe two years ago and said that if you're homosexual and you're married, you can't take communion because you're actively choosing a life of sin. But to me, I don't understand that because it's like, well, we all live in sin continuously. I mean, we on the way to church we're sinning.

Starting point is 00:43:54 I mean, it's just the way we're built. And I don't understand why we get so hung up on the sexual elements of this experience, exactly. So, yeah, there's a lot of shame involved with organized Christianity, and it's trying a lot of people off. But is, Isaac, my question, I don't mean to catch you off because I just have this thought is like, is that Christianity or is this like the mutating of this religion? By powerful, by powerful entities that have wanted to control people.

Starting point is 00:44:29 So it's like when we look at sexuality, sex is such a, like, it's such a powerful force. And it is the one thing that we all do that we're very specific on what we like and, and we could hear, if everyone put all the weird shit they've ever done on the table here and was really honest, like some of us would, I mean like dude, you're a weirdo, right? But we can all agree, we like sushi.

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Starting point is 00:45:28 Harm to none. You know, if you're not, again, if you're not hurting anybody, all the weird shit, it's such an amazing way to control everybody. And so it's like,, through religion they've been able to really put the screws of people on whatever weirdness they like. Like before if you cheated on your wife that was like the same kind of sin as being gay or even deeper now what seems

Starting point is 00:45:57 like today pedophiles and I don't see that in any way the same thing again because you, willing participants. Yeah, yeah. What made this Pope cool? This, the newest Pope, we made them all cool and everyone loved them because what? He was pro-gay marriage. Well, the media did that.

Starting point is 00:46:15 Yeah, but that's, that's how important sex is that. Right, right. All of a sudden people liked them. The Catholic Church was back in the game. People were like, yo, we got a cool pope. Yeah, so here's what I'm, here's my old thing with religion and everything. It's just like, I am totally fine with people practicing whatever makes them be better people. And then you deal with the consequences in the afterlife, okay? That's up to you. I mean, that's just my opinion because there's so much history has been rewritten and rewritten and rewritten. We don't know if we're coming or going.

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Starting point is 00:47:33 Which is why it's fun to fuck with them. I agree, because like I don't care, like who care? Why is this so bad for him to cross-dress? But the thing that they, the reason I believe the reason I I I I the reason I that I that I th. But the thing that they, the reason I believe they get upset, and again, I don't necessarily agree with it, doesn't bother me, but they, they see, there's a thing called an antonomianism where it's all about destroying the social construct, the social norms, the morals of what is considered good and what is evil. And that's actually what like the Bavarian Illuminati, they were really into this. They were really into shaking up things in the 1700s because back then you had the the royal family monarchs and the church in in cahoots telling everyone how to live and like I agree with the illuminati on that stuff like they were like let's overthrow this bitch

Starting point is 00:48:24 and that's what they did in the French French. the French. the French. the French. the French. the Illuminati on that stuff. Like they were like, let's overthrow this bitch. And that's what they did in the French Revolution. Hey Alex. Hold on. Let's finish. Go on. And the problem with antinomianism with, you know, have a diplo dress up and drag, according to like the people that subscribe to this stuff, which would probably be like your father Seraphimros Rose kind of guys. They, this path is inverting reality,

Starting point is 00:48:49 and this is all Gnostic principles. It's like the darkness becomes the light. The idea that Lucifer is really God. God is really the dick. And he, you know, put it on, put us in this prison planet. And we're living in the simulation world and on all this stuff. So I mean it's kind of a deep subject but that's that's what I would argue the Christian sort of beef is with you know guys cross-dressing and guys not living up to but I think it's all bullshit

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Starting point is 00:49:58 how dare we see pornography go mainstream. But we look back now, and we see that was the liberation of sexuality for mostly everyone and it predicted our like Instagram baddy society today, you know, of women expressing themselves in a sexual way. So I think, you know, a big problem that I have with anyone who is religious or has a spirituality is is when they try to say this is the only one, this is my path, this should be your path, this should be your path., and th, and th, and th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th when they try to say, this is the only one, this is my path, this should be your path, and you're going, something negative is going to happen to you if you don't follow this path. That is really dark. And I feel like a lot of the occultists I've met have never done that because what they're trying to say is also like a lot of real occultistsists and like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, a, a the th.. And, a th. And, a th. And, like, a. And, a th. And, like, like, th. And, like, like, like, like, lot of real like occultists and witches and stuff, magicians like who are fucking billionaires and

Starting point is 00:50:48 stuff, they're super low key. They're not flashing, they're like Crowley inspired fucking, you know, t-shirts. I'll fight Crowley. I don't like Crowley either. I think he's an idiot. I always thought he was an idiot. And I've always hated him and I hated how Jason Louvre and all these type of people tried to like enforce him on to everyone who's starting magic for the first time and they're like croles this our god the beast. I'm like fuck off he was a fucking drug addict. You know you bring up some very interesting Alex and we'll get to your question real quick. And you know it just to me it's like when we and this is not this is not this is not th.. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th know, it just to me it's like when we and this is not this is not Isaac's point of view but he's pointing out on the religious side what

Starting point is 00:51:31 people do. And my point to that is I totally agree with him on that. And so when you go, hey man, hey dude, let's have gun laws and take guns away from people. I'm like, well, does that mean gun homicides gonna go away? And the answer is it's not. And you know it. So, so to do it, you know, what I hear right now, when I hear, oh man, morally this country is decaying. I go, everything that everybody's doing right now has been done forever. It's just the difference is your life isn't destroyed by doing it. Okay, like, you know, it's like sex work right now, right?

Starting point is 00:52:13 It's like, there was a time right, when, let's say a guy, like, someone brought up on the show, I forget who it was, he would talk about how these men would become a priest and leave their family. And at the time, women couldn't work. So these mothers of these children who have been abandoned by these guys who decide to become holy men had no opportunity to do anything other than sell themselves for prostitution. And then they end up becoming the low lives of the world and to me it's like why does that have to happen and again this isn't Isaac saying that Isaac was pointing out what these people are saying why is that to happen are men if we outlawed men wearing dresses do you think

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Starting point is 00:54:50 queens should be reading the children. Leave your bullshit at home. Leave your shit at home and let children learn one plus one is two, how to spell, how to do all that stuff. That's what school should be putting their bull, their stuff and bullshit. I mean your stuff, I don't mean to disrespect you, you should be putting your stuff on the people. School should be about learning. Weird question. You said to teach a math, science and all that. What about history? Would you be down with school, public school teaching their history? that's their history. That's the question what is history? Yeah, I mean. What is history? History is subjective. It's all hallucination. It's all an interpretation. It's all an interpretation. It's the parents' role to put all of that education into context,

Starting point is 00:55:34 though, right? I mean. I totally agree on that. And that's where we've lost so much in the broken homes that so many kids come from because they don't their their their their their their their their they's they their they they they they're their they're their they're their th. th. their th. th. their th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. their their thi's all their their their their their their their their their their is all. It's all. their is all. their is all. their. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their th. th. th. the. the. the. thean. It's thoean. It's all. It's all. It's all. It's all their their their their their their their their their ththat so many kids come from, because they don't have strong parents at home, you know, to kind of put things into context culturally and, you know, personally for kind of how they want to live. I think what Sam said is very true in the concept of, you know, change yourself, work on yourself, work on yourself, and your reality will change. Like, focus on yourself. Because these people who are like, I'm gonna erase gay people kissing, I'm gonna erase gay sex. Like, what type of mindset are you fucking going through where you think that you have

Starting point is 00:56:10 that ability to control that many people's wills by like, you know, with your God hates fag signs? You know what I mean? Well, I don't want to see gay guys making out in public. But guess what? I don't want to see anybody. I don't want to see anybody making out in public. I don't care how I Brad Pitt, Angeline Jolie, make it out at fucking California Chicken.

Starting point is 00:56:27 I'd be like, get out of here. Nobody wants to see it. I'd watch it. Okay, you would watch. If you're gonna do it. If you're gonna do it. I mean, you'd be mad if they just stop that making up. Yeah. your Chipotle joke. Okay, that's all I hear it's like. Well my whole point is just like I don't really want I mean I make jokes to people at shows like

Starting point is 00:56:47 after they they meet and greet I'm like hey guys good to see it love to watch you guys make love one it's a joke right it's an obvious joke but the truth of the matter is people do it. I just really don't. I don't want to see people making out. You want to hold hands? I don't even care. You see two dudes walking down the street holding hands. I don't care. It does nothing to me and if there is a God. Let them tell you deal with it. By the way, the God Westboro, Borough Baptist Church, you know, like, kind of encapsulates like the joke of being alive on this planet. You know what I mean? Like, like, this is why we need to have a sense of humor while we're alive. But they're also used Alex to demonize religion.

Starting point is 00:57:41 That's what they're used for. Like, yeah, of course. What happens in our lives is that the squeaky wheel always gets the fucking oil, right? It's like, every group we know is defined by their extremists. They're an embodied straw man. They're in a straw man that actually exists for you, you know, to target. Yeah, I'm with you. So, Alex, one thing I want to bring up is like, you know, I do get kind kind of to to to to to to to to to associate to associate to associate to associate to associate to associate to associate to associate to associate to associate to associate to target. Yeah, I'm with you. So Alex, one thing I want to bring up is like, you know, I do get kind of worried that you are, you associate with some people that are a little shady as fuck, let's just say. You hang out with some shady motherfuckers and what does

Starting point is 00:58:16 that involve? What does it involve you doing? Because Isaac brings up a great point. Dude's written 95 of fucking books and he can't even get the principal from, say, by the bell to fucking read the book on Instagram. So like you're getting everybody, you're getting the cat lady Madonna who looks like fucking Garfield now. You're getting her to fucking beautiful. I think she's so beautiful. You obviously like fucking cats then, okay? Because she... Someone needs we... Donna's beauty is irrevocable and immoral. Well Alex, you do that. I want to do an intervention on her and whoever plastic surgeon is. It needs to stop. You need to be

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Starting point is 00:59:45 I'm not judging you. You gotta do what's best for you. You could be on the show a million fucking time. I'm not gonna judge you on that. That's not my style. You gotta do you. But you know, there is something crazy show or I don't know who's the most innocent of all the Celebrities out there how he mandels now like look at my boy

Starting point is 01:00:09 My Canadian boy fucking Kazami and this book he wrote like like like the people who are somewhat neutral in life. You're getting the people who kind of have this kind of shady reputation going. I mean I mean part of that is the subject matter though. Yeah, I mean, I get that but it's like all of it. the th, the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the th, th, th, th, th, the th, th, the th, th, the th, th, th, the th, th, th, thi, the the thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. tho, tho, tho, thoooooooooooooooo. thoooooooooooooooooo. thooooo. tho. tho, th. th. shady reputation going on. I mean, I mean, part of that is the subject matter though. Yeah, I mean, no, I get that, but it's like, all of it. Listen, I feel like you manifested your career, for sure. Well, you know, my whole thing is like, I flung first grade. I've learned very early that nobody got me. So I'm just doing my whole thing. And again, Alex, I'm not, I tha, I tha, I tha, I tha, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I feel thin, I feel thi. think, I feel think, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I thi. I'm thi. I'm th. I'm th. I'm, I'm th. I'm th. th. th. th. thin, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I'm not you at all. I'm just saying it's kind of... But I get it. It does look a little suss, right? Yeah, totally sus, bro.

Starting point is 01:00:49 Like, and how does, like, why is he connected to all these elite people? Like, it is a little suss, huh? Yeah. I call myself the Illuminati Prince for a reason. Yeah. But he's also on Timfoil hat, to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. to. to. Yeah. Yeah. to. to. Yeah. to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. to. to. to. to. to. to. Yeah. to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. more about like Tim Foll Hatt all are welcome, dude. I mean, one of the earlier shows we did, we had. Yeah, but I mean, there have been a lot of people that are welcome that haven't come on the show. Well, yeah, those are phony fox, right?

Starting point is 01:01:14 Exactly. I mean, like, they look at the title. They're like, I'm not going. conversations you're ever going to have. But I think what's important about what Isaac does and what he's been doing is that no matter if people disagree or agree with him, the level of deconstruction and analysis and questioning surfaces and the things around us and looking at the deeper meaning behind those things is important for any person in society to have to survive. You know what I mean? So it doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with Isaac's conspiracies.

Starting point is 01:01:53 It's the point that there are conspiracies because if we're too blind and we're too trusting, you know, we're we might as well just fucking put like a tide logo on our head. You know what I mean? We're just corporate whores. We're branded by, we're slaves. We're literally slaves. And you said at best, Alex, in your book, you made mentions, I'm gonna paraphrase, something to the effect of how Sigil's control us,

Starting point is 01:02:17 talking about like social media and memes. And ironically, that's what Kanye West said when he, when he went on his rant on the St. Pablo concert tour, right after Kim Kardashian got thrown in the bathtub and threatened with, you know, they were stealing her jewelry and Kanye lost his freaking mind. I mean, the whole thing was like, we could talk for hours about that whole incident, about how it ties into the bathtub and Whitney Houston and Bobby Christina and now even Britney Spears, we're talking about Britney Spears on 10th floor many times, Bernie Spears on Instagram just the other day had this horrific story about how she was locked in the bathroom and to me I read

Starting point is 01:02:54 that and think, dude is this like a cover story for something deeper that's going on with Britney Spears and I don't obviously I don't know I just I just just th just just just just just just just th just th just th just th just th just th just th just the the the th just the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm thi is thi thi thi to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to toee. I toe. I to to toe. I toe. I'm to ti. I just find it odd. There's all this like bathtub symbolism. But anyways, yeah, the idea is that, going back to what Alex was saying, I think Alex and I are both looking at the same thing. We're looking at the same phenomenon. And we both agree that, I believe, I don't want to say agree. I believe that this is a real thing. I think ritual magic and

Starting point is 01:03:25 sigil magic and candle magic, I think all this stuff really works. This isn't fake. I don't think it's fake. I think that, and by the way, I grew up in love with Madonna, so like it breaks my heart to talk shit about her. You know what I mean? But anyways, the the phenomenon is real. I just approach it from like this cautious perspective of I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm this. I'm this. I'm this. I'm this. I'm this. I'm this. I'm this. I this. I'm this. I this. I this. this. this, all this, all this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I th real. I just approach it from like this cautious perspective of I'm concerned that the powers that be want this new spirituality to take over. And I believe it's because there's this luciferian anti-christ agenda coming down the pike. Whereas it seems like a guy like Alex looks at this phenomenon and says, hey, this can be a beautiful thing and you could take this and make your life better. I don't disagree with Alex. I just, my conspiracy slash.

Starting point is 01:04:15 It might be too powerful for most people to handle. That gets into it, bro. That gets into it. Are they pushing an agenda that is too much for people to be the average person to you? So when you want to be able to maneuver with, so when you watch like the Kardashians, like 20 years in the game, there's so much ritual fucking magic with them and there's a whole episode where Kim freaks out because someone's hide, she can't find her candles that she's been manifesting with and Chris Jenner used to advertise candle magic. It's on the internet. So, so my whole point is that they push a certain

Starting point is 01:04:56 agenda and philosophy that I don't think the average person can mentally digest and financially support. Like they date dangerous men that aren't very reliable in life or they represent a demographic, let's say rappers, right, who maybe aren't the most reliable mates in the world, and that these people, like the younger people see that and emulate it. It's like 16 and pregnant. Like how many girls watch that and thought it would be okay cool to get pregnant and they didn't realize that what they were bringing on and it's a monkey see monkey do type situation. No no no and I agree with you and I think a big problem like something

Starting point is 01:05:42 that I disagree with like is the you know problem, like something that I disagree with, like, is the, you know, like the idea that mainstream culture doesn't influence people or that like MTV culture didn't influence people and their behavior and, and the what, what they're thinking about and what they're focusing on. And you know, like, you know, why did guys my age go see transformers too because of Megan Fox sitting on that bike. Literally, everyone paid money to watch that scene in 2009. You know what I mean? So it's like they're playing on our baseline instincts

Starting point is 01:06:11 and who's doing that? The dudes in the suits, the corporations, all these type of people. So there is a level of power when you restrict that impulse. And they're like, I'm watching this advertisement and they're just trying to like fuck with me and that's really powerful and I guess that's also what Isaac represents also is he's trying to say like look like Look like they're trying to steer you in all these different type of directions. So why don't you choose which direction you go towards whereas rather than that automatic baseline impulse of like of like just hit the fucking slot machine you know what I mean? I do know what you mean and I do think it's a very interesting conversation. Alex you talked

Starting point is 01:06:50 about you and Diplo doing the cross-dressing to offend people I was wondering do you guys think little Knox is actually just offending people and not actually part of the occult? See this is this is a big problem that I had a conversation with because I'm a dumb straight white male and people Were upset with me when I had an opinion about this until they kind of put me in my place So with little nose X with little with little no X. He's actually expressing his sexuality like it's not like the brinnie Madonna kiss I don't know he's working on the devil that's trying to piss people off in a way. If you don't think he's doing this for clicking views. That's right.

Starting point is 01:07:27 He's taking one out of the Manson playbook and he's a provocateur with that stuff. But the, I mean, look, this is what I found very interesting. Jack Harlow said in a tweet that he would have gone naked. the that he would have hea he he he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. He would have he. He would have he. He would have he. He would have he. He would have he. He would have he. He would have he. He would have he. He would have he. He would have he. He would have he. He would have he. He would have he. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He he. He. He he. He he. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He would he. He. He. He would th. He would th. He. He. He would th. He would th. He would th. He would th. He would th. He would th. He would t. He would t. He would t. He was t. He was t. He was t. He was t. He was t. He was t. He was t. He was t. He was he. He was he. He was he. He was he. He. He video if he asked him. But if you watch that video, Jack Harlow is with like a naked girl in a song and it's like a very straight verse in a gay song. Do you really believe Jack Harlow's tweet that he would have done that scene? No, he just said that because he was bullied by the mob into having to be correct.

Starting point is 01:08:00 And I don't like that, like be legit, be real, you know what I mean? No, it's just an interesting thing of that whole thing. It's like, I don't really care if Nass is doing that. That's Lil Naz X's whole thing. The problem is everybody defending him as, oh dude, these rock groups did this, they didn't get any shit. They got tons of shit. They had their albums taken and ran that, that, that, that, th, th, th, th, than, than, thuuan, thuan, thuco, thuco, thuco, thucoe, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho-a, that, that, 't get any shit they got tons of shit they had their albums taken and ran over by fucking bulldozers they had like death I mean like it was way worse than what Lil Nasks like little Nasks like little little bit too much what about the shoes what about the shoes human

Starting point is 01:08:41 drop human blood on their shoes yeah I mean it's so obvious he's doing it for a reaction. Yeah, but it's so, it's not, I mean, it's calculated and it's fake and it's constructed, but I think, you know, it has less to do with him being gay and more so that he loves attention and he's an attention more. 100%? 100%. Isaac, any thoughts on that? Congress also just released a shoe with the pentagagagagagagagagagagagagagag- the pent pent pent pent pent pent. thoughts on that? Converse also just released a shoe with the pentagrams. It's unbelievable. That's crazy. Yeah, Converse just released a show and and a shoe with pentagrams and the guy who.

Starting point is 01:09:16 The guy who, I'm looking through my notes. But see, this is also like, this is also cool hunters. You know, this is all like millennial cool hunters who are like watching Gen Z on Tick-Tock and are like oh magic little little girls who are like you know doing candle magic and like oh this is gonna sell like it's just like a rehash of like the hot topic era for a generation that never got to experience it so the guy who created that shoe Rick Owens I'm researching because I'm about to show on, oh yeah, okay, so. Oh, another shady connection, Alex,

Starting point is 01:09:50 another shady-ass connection. Oh, man, another. Oh, yeah, so he was in a song called Mona Lisa, and the lyrics he was in the song singing, he says, black magic, fuck boy teen hired gutter clean blah blah necromantic savage useless power supernatural distortion has these weird lyrics right and then he comes out with this this is the Tommy Cash song yeah exactly yeah yeah I mean honestly a lot of these people are in fashion they like surface-to-level things aesthetics they just probably I mean most I mean honestly it's probably not that deep but a lot of people the the the the tho the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. Yeah, th. Yeah, the th. Yeah, the the the the the the the the th.. the the the th... the the th........ the the th.......... the the the the the th.... the the th. th. the th. th. th. th. I. the the the the th. I. I. I. I. I. I. the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. the the th. the the th. the the the th. the the the the the th. th. are in fashion. They like surface level things, aesthetics.

Starting point is 01:10:25 They just probably, I mean, most, I mean, honestly, it's probably not that deep, but a lot of people use this type of stuff because it's like a fashion statement. It's like an aesthetic. And I talk about in the book how I dislike that. I was like, if you're really about this life, get the candle, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, and get, and, and, and, mean? Don't be a fake bitch and wear a fucking like underground ring and not be practicing. You know, like I don't like that.

Starting point is 01:10:49 I think those people waste my time. Alex, I understand what you're saying. And it kind of goes back to what we're talking about my friends and Slayer. It's like what we're introducing to very young people is some very powerful shit that they may not be ready to handle. You know what really pissed me off about the whole Manson thing? Like obviously whatever, it was very disappointing to go through all of that

Starting point is 01:11:16 and to see everything that was happening with him in the media. But what really pissed me off, when the New York Post took attributes from his book that he wrote with Neil Strauss, which was a New York Time bestseller, an iconic book, millions of teenagers had it in their homes and then they tried to demonize it 20 years later and acted like we all did not have this information in our houses where he was talking about smoking human bones and taking teenage girls backstage and like torturing them. This stuff was printed by a mainstream publisher. This book has been out there like that's where I'm like that's it's

Starting point is 01:11:54 it's fucked up how they do that. Like they try to rewrite history to fit the current narrative and act like oh we were all just so dumb that we all spent $20 on that book in 1998 and it became a New York Time bestseller and it was all over MTV and all over every fucking big newspaper in the world in front of Barnes and Nobles. But yeah, now we're upset.

Starting point is 01:12:17 Fuck that, that pisses me off. That seems to be pop culture, right? Because the thing you can never change is the past. So you can rail against all you want, because you know it's never gonna get atoned. But they all participated. That's what pisses me off. It's like you went to Barnes and Nobles and bought that book to read Manson and Neil Strauss. You promoted this on fucking MTV on TRL.

Starting point is 01:12:40 Like right after the Backstreet Boys video, why are you trying to act like you didn't do that and rewrite it, you know? And it makes me think like maybe from what Isaac is saying like maybe the occult agenda Could have was so much more sly pre-cancel culture? Yeah, for sure for sure. I mean you can't hide it now You can try to slip in a symbol into something now and now you got people like Isaac who like have this wonderful show? th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th like, I I I th like, I th like, I th like, I th like, I th like, I th like, I th like, th like, I th like, thi thi, thi, thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I th like, I th like, I th like, I th like, I th like, I th like, I th like, I th like, I th like, I th like, I th like, I th like, I thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th can try to slip in a symbol into something now and now you got people like Isaac who like have this wonderful show where they kind of break down what they're trying to show you showing everybody. So maybe they're like okay it's kind of like what the government did when they're like you can use propaganda against the citizens of the United States.

Starting point is 01:13:21 It's like if we can't control it let's flood it. Let's just flood it with everywhere everywhere and we see these corporations like this is the first time in the history of business that I have seen corporations and businesses not catering to the desires of their customers. I've never seen this before and it just makes you question whether all these businesses are legit businesses or are they just kind of like weapons of propaganda? We're like, yeah, they sell a bunch of stuff, but they're, I mean, Nike, right? Like, how big is Nike? It's fucking huge. But when you compare it to like, what, oil companies, pharmaceutical companies, banks, it's just a fucking lemonade stand.

Starting point is 01:14:11 So like if they lose it, they lose it. Yeah, Bo Burnham. Sam, did you watch the Bo Burnham special? No, I want to really bad. Yeah, I've been to do it. Yeah, I've been to do it. He has a whole song where he talks about this exact subject. Something to the effect of like, you know, is wheat thin's socially conscious enough for me to eat?

Starting point is 01:14:30 You know, I was like, kind of the argument. It's like, that's, but is that also Boeburn, like, co-opting, like, like, anti-woke culture. And like, you know, like, like, it's like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the thi, the the the the the the the the the the the thin, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. thin. thin. thin. thin. th. th. th. thin. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. th. the. th. the the thin. th. thin. the thin. thin. thin's all so fake. You know what I mean? Like no one is really honest about their authentic values in this era. Like it's so constructed and so surfaced. But I think what's interesting about what Sam said is is like a good aspect of this era is is that you know, corporations and these type of people that you know expect us to just sit in front of the TV from 9-5 and just like watch fucking Wheat-Thins commercials or whatever, like we have more information

Starting point is 01:15:09 and more media and places like this podcast where people can simulate a different type of reality that isn't on MTV, that isn't on CNN. And I think that is ultimately what the goal was of occultism and magic in the beginning, you know, like if you look at like like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, thi, the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi.u, thi.u, thi.u, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the goal was of occultism and magic in the beginning, you know, like if you look at like Richard Metzger or Douglas Rushcoff or these earlier occultists from the late 90s, you know, who would talk about like questioning surfaces and all this type of stuff. They wanted the world where we could create our own media. But the difference is, is that there's a lot of stuff out there and not all of it is good. And I do think there is something powerful about having to prove your stripes to,

Starting point is 01:15:50 and to get in an Illuminati or a club. I do think, or a cabal. I don't think that's bad, especially when it comes to talent, like work for it. But you think secret societies are good ideas? Okay, yeah, maybe not, but I mean like a secret society of like, you know, this, like, oh, you got me now, huh? I don't know. I think, I think, I'm not saying a few people controlling the power is good, but I'm saying like at least like aesthetically, like in the fashion industry and stuff like that. Like, things used to be more beautiful, like, they're the their the the the the the the the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th. M, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, maybe, th. Yeah, maybe, maybe, th. Yeah, maybe, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. the thi, the the the they, they, they, they, they, thi, they, thi, they, they, they, the, the, th saying like at least like aesthetically like in the fashion industry and stuff like that like things used to be more beautiful like there used to be more hot women you know in advertisements but doesn't that isn't that a group of people like isn't

Starting point is 01:16:37 that part of the sciop magic that's being done on people now with this some of the Sayop magic is beautiful. I think Kmos is beautiful. You know what I mean? Like not all Sayop magic is bad. Like I think there's some, there's beauty in pop art. You know what I mean? There's something, there's even beauty in the man show. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:16:55 Like there's artistic value in anything that is in popular media. that. if you feel that way, but a lot of the popular media today is really ugly and very horrible and very fake and very calculated and it's put towards a specific, and it has an agenda that doesn't fit everyone. This is what's kind of funny to me, is it's like the utopia that everyone thinks they're gonna get because they see it on their Netflix new movies or whatever. They think, oh well, this is our utopia.

Starting point is 01:17:27 No, it's fucking not. Because only a few people agree with that utopia, not everyone. Okay, so that's kind of what I want to get into is like, what is the purpose? So, we'll step away from Victoria's secrets because of the Lex Wexner and the dark arts of that. Let's look at Sports Illustrated and the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue. When times were much more instant, that was a big deal when that came out. Being on the cover was a life changer. You became a level of woman where only like CEOs, A-list actors, third world dictators hit on you, right?

Starting point is 01:18:09 Like the best of the best, right? But now we see it's starting to change where we see women who let's say are much thicker. Not even like, like, you know, not Lizzo big though. They're not there yet. No, not Lizzo big, but also not like, I like a thick chick, you know, like, I'm like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, not Lizzo Big though. They're not there yet. No, not Lizzo Big, but also not like, I like a thick chick, you know, like I'm talking like a little bit unhealthy or a trans woman. Who wants that? And why are they doing that? And what is the energy? It's a specific amount of people who want that, who are usually liberals and they believe. But are they buying the magazine? The answer is no, they are not.

Starting point is 01:18:46 They're not. So why do they do that? The point is it, but they want to infiltrate because they want everyone to think the same as them. That's really what it's about. And I think, you know, and I also don't feel like, you know, I don't agree know, like, sports illustrated or women who are feminine or express themselves in a sexually feminine way, like, which is why I think only fans culture is good for society, like when women are expressing themselves like that, because I think

Starting point is 01:19:14 that it's not objectification. I think if they're in control of it and they're presenting it and they're happy and they feel good as sex workers. I think that's good rather than this like feminist angle of like, oh, that's men objectifying women. That's not, that's not real sexuality. Only, only unfuckable women think that. For being on sports illustrated side, they might just be trying to grow their audience in their eyes. That's what they would say. Everyone is failed. Everyone has failed. They, they don't buy the magazine, but they can destroy the magazine.

Starting point is 01:19:52 Yeah, that they can wage these public, you know, these publicity towards boycott. Sports Illustrated because they don't have enough oversized women. That can destroy, I mean that, that can destroy I mean that tear it down. Does it? Yeah, sure it does. We think people get fired people, so many people have lost their jobs from that. Of course you can't. All right. Because they want everything to look one uniformative totalitarian way. This is the Gen Z utopia welcome.

Starting point is 01:20:19 You have to agree with it or leave, which is just totally delusional because you can. I don't know, Alex, I'm gonna be honest with you, man. I like Generation Z. They see, I'll tell you why I like Generation Z, because this push to be multicultural has worked and now it's natural, meaning I see groups of young kids, white, they'll be white, Mexican, that's beautiful, that's beautiful. So now that they're all hanging out more, they are more open to talking shit to each other, be making fun of each other. So when these generations see people come these comedy clubs, they're laughing more than the millennials.

Starting point is 01:20:59 The millennials are hot garbage. It's me, yes, it's me. it's me, it's me, fuck you guys, yes, it's me, sorry guys. I'm a millennial. So, so, no, no, no, I just don't like the Gen Ziers who like, you know, like, we're gonna put a trigger warning on clueless because they use the word cake boy and that's offensive, you know, they need to pay that. I don't like, cake. I don't like. C. C. C. C. C. C. C. C. C. C. C. I. I. C. I. I. C. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I like. I. I. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the that. the the the that. I just like, I just like, I just like, I just like, I just like, I just like, I just like, I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. generation who's trying to censor art and creative expression. I agree. I agree. Leave because we need all perceptions, even the things that make you uncomfortable, even the things

Starting point is 01:21:34 you disagree with. So you can see the reality of what is happening. Be aware. Isaac. In denial of it. Do you believe in that there's white magic and black magic? Okay, so I think. Hold on, let me ask Isaac and then you can jump in.

Starting point is 01:21:51 Yeah, I think so. And obviously, Alex probably, he's a little more well versed on the magic world than I am. But, you know, I think there's like a right hand path and a left hand path. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, these are, these are the constructions of like moral, when you add morality into magic, right? So magic in itself is inherently just magic. So people add color into it by a choice and they want to organize it into something. Like a right-hand path would be like, white magic, like new age, positive thinking,

Starting point is 01:22:23 visualizing white light, all the type of stuff. And then another person might think think think think think think thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the thi thi, the thi, thi, thi, the the thi, the the the the the the the the the, like, the the, their, their, their, their, their, their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, tho, like, tho, like, like, tho. I their, their, their, their, their, their, their, tho. Wea, like, like, like, like, like, like, like new age, like positive thinking, visualizing white light, all the type of stuff. And then another person might think black magic is like doing a hex on someone or a curse on someone, or you know, using lower vibrational demons from like the satanic Bible and then bringing them into the material world to give you things. And I've seen girls do that, younger girls do that and their whole lives get fucked up. And it's real, so it's just a way to organize it, but magic inherently does not have a color.

Starting point is 01:22:47 It doesn't. It's just what it is. It's like a gun. What I read through Alex's book, he, and correct me if I'm wrong, Alex, but like I seem to get a vibe that you embrace this sort of free Masonic ideology of, you know, there's no good, there's no evil, it's just everything's morally neutral. And to me, like, that is like a Gnostic idea. It is Nostic, yeah.

Starting point is 01:23:16 And again, it kind of goes into the idea that, well, you know, God might be the bad guy, and he created this material sort of prison planet and Luciano was really trying to save us and give us this knowledge where man can become God in his own right and that's kind of like the vibe I get from the book is like that vibe and the same well you know use alchemy use magic and you can sort of create make the world the universe shift around the will of the practitioner which is a very like kind of left-hand path idea, as opposed to... I think it's your birthright. I think to use your power of your will to get the things that you want in life.

Starting point is 01:23:55 I mean, that's why we have free will, you know what I mean? But I think what you're saying, like adding in the luciferianism and all that type of stuff. I haven't really thought about all of that in correlation to what I was saying in that part of the book, but I can understand how people can misinterpret it. But the reality is, is that unfortunately, every fucking person on the planet has their own idea of what good and evil is. So we can't just say that's good, that's evil, that's evil because it that's good, because because it's good, becausethat's good, that's evil because it's going to be different for every person, right? So there's shades of gray, I suppose. There's shades of gray. Like obviously I would never fucking sit there with a black candle and visualize someone in a car crash but someone who is in a bad mood and is young and just discovering magic might do that and they might put someone in a car crash and then they might have some really fucked up karma. But there are also witches who believe karma is a social construct and that they can curse people

Starting point is 01:24:48 and hex people and do whatever they want. Like it's a very convoluted argument. It is to me what I was trying to say with a gun is a gun itself is nothing. It could be a paperweight. But depending on how somebody uses it, makes it whether it's a weapon of a crime or a weapon of protection. And that's kind of, I guess, everything breaks down. Is there good? Is there evil? I guess that only comes down to what is the end result? If the end result is to ethnically cleanse a bunch of people, I guess that becomes evil.

Starting point is 01:25:27 Now is perceived as evil, the person doing it most likely isn't going, oh, committing evil. They're probably like, I'm doing this for the best of the people. It is interesting though that we all have this gun and some of us aren't willing to use it, you know, that... Absolutely. Absolutely. And that's what's so interesting to me is that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's evil that's evil is that's evil is evil is evil is evil is evil is evil is evil is evil is evil is evil is evil is evil that's evil that's evil evil that's evil evil that's evil evil evil that's evil evil evil evil that's evil evil that's evil. that's evil. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's thi. that's thi. that's thi. that's that's thi. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's thi-s thi-s thi-s thi-s thi-s thi-s thi all have this gun and some of us aren't willing to use it you know that I absolutely absolutely and that's what's so interesting to me is that's why I I think people like Madonna promoted my book because what she's saying is is like stop reviewing me as different than you you can create what you want if you will it if you work hard enough if you have the persistency if you want to figure it out with magic, with alchemy, with Kabbalah, you can do these things. And I guess that really turns people off because it makes, because the problem is is that everyone thinks that power is evil,

Starting point is 01:26:15 and that power is bad, and that anyone who has power, especially in this era, you are suss. You are you are you are you are fucked right? It's how you wield it right? Nobody thinks Bill Murray's a fuck and he's got a ton of power. Bill Murray could walk almost into any movie and be like I want to roll on this people like oh shit. But isn't isn't prayer a form of wielding you know this this this this force? I mean and I think that's a much more palatable way for many people. I that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's a that's a that's a th. th. thi. that's. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. to. thi. to. to. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. people. I think it's how people use their power. Well, prayer, yeah, I wrote a whole chapter about that in the book, about how prayer is a form of magic. And that, you know, when we pray, we're essentially doing a ritual, right? But this is the thing is that people who are praying, usually are coming from this place of humility and like, like, oh,

Starting point is 01:27:05 like God, help me like this, like, I have no ego, like, serve me God. Like, I am just a humble servant, right? But people who are doing magic are like, visualizing with the candle being like my power, me. And look, that I say in the book that, you know, I learned the hard way in my earlier magic days that, you know, too much ego and too much belief that you are the the wielder of your reality can make you go a little crazy. And I think that happened to Manson. I think he fell in love with the illusion of the entity, Marilyn Manson, Brian Hugh Warner evoked upon the world, and he believed in it. He believed in everything

Starting point is 01:27:46 into it to the point where he became a slave to it and he would just charge all of his energy and give to it, maybe with the intentions of good because he did, you know, pre-being canceled, he did inspire and help a lot of artists and young people and change their lives, you know, but, and we can't erase his influence on popular culture and what he did for their lives, you know, but, and we can't erase his influence on popular culture and what he did for the world. But, you know, I think a big problem is that people fall in love with the illusion of, I mean, Sam's probably seen this in Hollywood with all of his celebrity friends is that like, if you fall in love with this illusion of this photocopied Xerox version of yourself, you're going to go

Starting point is 01:28:25 fucking crazy. I totally agree with it and with the death of the industry slowly but surely dying, you're seeing these people realize that everything they had was just a sandcastle and they're scrambling. Because there's going to be a time where having a Netflix special will be the same as having a Comedy Central special. No one will care. No one will care. And once that happens, the system is completely done. But yeah, man, I understand what you're saying. You know, Marilyn Manson did things to me that, you know when in hindsight I go, you know, man, I get it. It's like it. It's like it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It. It's. It. It's. It's. It's. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's, it's. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a the. It's a the. It's a the. It's, it's a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to me that, you know, when in hindsight, I go, you know, man, I get it.

Starting point is 01:29:08 It's like, it's racy, it's edgy. It's like when you walk into like Utah and you start ripping up Bibles, right? You're like, what are we doing? What is that energy? What is that energy you're creating? These are people paying to buy your tickets. And listen, dude, I'm an out out out out out out out out out out out out out thauoleeeauoleauiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii? thi? thi? thi? thi? thi? thi? thi? thi? thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, I'm thi, thi, thi, I's thi, I's, I'm thi, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I I I, I I I I I I I I I I I I I, I I I I I I I I I I I I, I I I I I, I I I's, I, I, I, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. thi. thi.a, thi.a, thi.a, theananan, thean, thean, thean, thi.a'a'ea'ea.a.a, thi.a are people paying to buy your tickets. And listen, dude, I'm an outlaw, right? I'm an outlaw when it comes to comedy. Don't get me wrong, dude.

Starting point is 01:29:29 I love rattling cages. I love spitting my truth and watching people come to grips. That dude just said what he wanted to say. I love that, okay? But the ripping of a Bible, I don't care, but it's like you are doing a certain thing to evoke a certain response, right? Yeah, because he was also, I think, like, similarly to Isaac, he was trying to liberate people, because remember back then, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:29:58 Like, there was not a lot of representation of weird people and freaks, and creepy people like him who felt different and Goths and all this type of stuff and here Manson comes on the scene and makes like every kid who's felt different feel a sense of resonance and yeah maybe they took it to the extreme with cutting their wrists and fucking ripping up Bibles and doing like magic but in the end of it what he was trying to say is it's okay to be different it's okay to be weird it's okay but that's most people I understand I think teach your own I thought you weren't gonna prove of him removing his rib I mean dude you could

Starting point is 01:30:34 blow yourself I will never judge somebody for trying to just that didn't happen be the ultimate like off the grid that there's no more off the grid than removing a rib and I don't the the the th I th I don't th I don't th I don't th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho th th th th th tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th th. I th. I th. I the the the the the the the the the the to the to to the to the the the the the the the the the the the the. There's no more off the grid than removing a rim. And I don't support what he, what he, what he did or anything. Here's the irony of this whole thing though. He ripped up the book of Mormon and ironic, which is completely not the Bible. It's Joseph Smith's shit that... Non-fiction book. Yeah, and the irony is that Joseph Smith was practicing

Starting point is 01:31:05 magic and he channeled an entity. So like Marilyn Manson was was basically provoking the Mormons, you know, making fun of their book when it's like yeah bro, like that's the shit you do too homeboy. Like he's very smart. All right. Mary Manson. No one these devil horse person know what they're talking about, they're just full of it. They're just just just just just just just just just just just just just just. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. to th. th. th. thi. thi. to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. toeee. thi. So. thi. So, thi. thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, true. None of these devil works for us know what they're talking about, they're just full of it. They're just trying to get a reaction. All right, I respect that. That's a great point. That's a great point.

Starting point is 01:31:32 Because their logic falls apart all the time. They don't know that they're can tell you to challenge the world around you and to think different and and they're on PBS Like a p.m. or something like that, but Manson did it in a very like Narcissistic I mean he put the reaction white that's all I'm saying I mean I mean editor of spin on gunpoint because he wanted to cover I mean that is and I'm down with that with that too' I'm down with that to that?? I'm that that that that that that that that that that the to to to the the to to to the th, I'm the th. I'm the the the I'm the I'm to the I'm to to to to to to to to the the the to to to to to to to to to th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to the to the the the the the the the that, too. I mean- I retract my statement about Marilyn Manson. He's an all right guy, okay? Yeah, I actually like, I mean, like, you should be his PR guy. I'm going around like, dude's got gun, removing ribs. He's like living my dream, bro. He's living my dream. So I think, I that displaying this polarity

Starting point is 01:32:30 of discussion is important to the mutual values of what we both do. Though we disagree and we're different, there is a common denominator in the same way that Isaac tells people to look around and find the rhythms, coincidences patterns of things rhythms, coincidences, patterns of things. Like, you know, fuck, I was fucking around, I was like 16 when the Illuminati conspiracy theory videos started to come out on YouTube and like all of our friends would like the Rihanna video would be slowed down and they would show the triangle and all that type of stuff. And that was like a real cultural moment of kind of waking up

Starting point is 01:33:06 to be like, why do I sit and watch the hills for 20 minutes every week? You know what I mean? Like, why am I consuming MTV? Like, what did it mean when I saw Brittany in the baby one more time video in the school girl of skirt when I was five or six? You know what I mean, like I, like I, like I, like I, like I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi, like I thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th.. th. th. th. thi, thi, thr, thr, thrown, tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. th. to to to to thi, to like I started to wake up a little bit but what from both your perspectives why are those symbols in those videos it's revelation of the method I think I think this all and it's the same reason why you know and again no offense to Alex I actually respect Alex we were in

Starting point is 01:33:38 communications yeah we respect each other we're out here I think it's a great discussion yeah I think it's a great it's fascinating and this is a thin the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi their their their their their their their the the the the the the the thi the the thi thi the thi the thi the thi the the the thi the the thi the the thi the thi the thi the thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi they. thi. thi. theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. the thi. out here. I think it's a great discussion. Yeah, I think it's a great. It's fascinating. And this is, and again, like, I'm, the messed up deal is like I'm more fascinated and intrigued by the occult and trying to understand all these concepts. Like, they're very fast. They resonate heavy with me, which I'm drawn to like like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the.. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. think this is part of revelation of the method to see all these symbols and sigils and

Starting point is 01:34:07 Like we talked about the Madonna Quaibo video I think like that's all that and Alex's book. They get put in the forefront because The the powers that be no there's a path to take humanity our subconscious mind and even the subconscious mind I don't know this goes all the way way back the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, th, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. is is is is is is is is is is is is is thi is thi is is. is. is. thi is. thi is. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi is thi. thi. theeeee. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi is thi is thi know. This goes all the way back to the book of Enoch with the fallen angels, you know, teaching man about alchemy in these magical arts. So on some levels. Are you talking about John D? No, back, the fallen angels, the watchers, but in the Bible, you know, like thousands of years ago, like the book of Enoch talks about how they taught the forbidden arts of magic and alchemy to man. And that was one of the reasons why God created the great deluge and flooded them all out. Well magical practitioners use Inoki and magic today to get the things that they want.

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Starting point is 01:35:36 I think you're right that it takes us back to the roots of something. I don't know if it's evil, but it's the roots of something and it's mysterious. I think it is because Blavatsky, she was talking, who was very revelation of the Methodi and all the stuff, you know, she was very nostic and she was very clear about how Satan was the benefactor of mankind and the serpent was the real god. And you know, like all these Jack Farsons. But maybe it could be from an intellectual, like young Ian point of view of like Satan being

Starting point is 01:36:05 an archetype of like the outlaw and the outsider, you know, like that's that's the thing that also people misinterpret too because you like when the kid who's like 15, 17 and they're, you know, maybe reading my book and they're like, you know, I'm gonna evoke Satan I'm fucking bored, you know what I mean? And they're gonna do it. What they could be doing, right? Personally, this is what I believe and what I say in the book is that I think they're vibrating with someone in the spirit world, a lower vibrational spirit, who's like, I can take on that role for him.

Starting point is 01:36:36 I'll be his Satan, and then hepe and but I don't think there's like one Satan. Like I don't think there's like one Satan, you know what I mean? Like I don't believe in that. I think that's too, you know, Abrahamic and Christian. That's the whole thing like it's like there's so many layers and so many just things going on you just don't know what's real. I, a final question I just want to get into from a Christian point of view. Where does near-death experiences fit into, you know, these Orthodox religions? You know, I don't know as far as like the Greek Orthodox Church's standpoint on it. My personal belief is that I think we get glimpses of, like I think, and this sounds almost a little nostic, I think our souls, our spirits, our spirits, is that's, is thiiiii. is thi. is thi th and th and thi that's, is th and that's, is that I think we get glimpses of, like I think, and this sounds almost a little gnostic, I think our souls, our spirits go inside of our body

Starting point is 01:37:32 to experience this version of reality, this world, and our five senses are filters, and the filters sort of strip out all these parts of the electromagnetic frequency spectrum. And when we die or have a near death experience or do hallucinogens perhaps, it messes with those filters and you can access these other sort of frequencies and I think I would, I believe that when we die, it's basically stripping out all those filters and boom, you're off like a rocket, now you're in this other dimension this other realm

Starting point is 01:38:06 Which I will I believe it Alex's book? Why I believe in magic? Because I think it's toying with these things in another dimension. I well Isaac I want to ask you question? Why do you think everyone has incarnated? What do you think the point of being? Do you think they, do you think they, that we've incarnated? Isaac? Of course we've been incarnated. Well, I know you believe that. I'm asking if Isaac believes. I don't know. Like, why are we here?

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Starting point is 01:39:15 from from a Kabbalah point of view and like a magical point of you like the most advanced form of magic would say that we incarnated here to work through our negative traits and to alchemize them into positive traits and to work through all of our negativity and everything that you know makes us imperfect and and to correct that and to change and life is about evolution and transformation and it's this like Scorpio experience of constantly evolving, constantly going to the next level, constantly climbing the Tree of Life, and I believe that from studying Kabbalah and you know the Sepharat and the Tree of Life and all that type of stuff and David Bowie even talks about in his song, station to station, he goes from Malhut to Kether, you know, and I think that's personally my belief but I don't thaph. that I that's that's, I that's, I that's, I that's, I that's, I that's, I that's, I that's, I that's, I that's, I that's, I that's, I'm, I thian, I thian, thian, thian, thian, thi, thi, th, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, from, from, from, to, from, to, the, the, the, the, the, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, tote, tote, thea, thea, toe, toe, toe, toe, but I don't know what Christians feel about it.

Starting point is 01:40:05 I mean, do they feel like they have to, they're here to change to become the image of God? I feel like that's no different than what I'm talking about. Right. And I've thought those things many times about, like just one example is prayer versus meditation. Like, it's, it's, it's the focus of who's, it's the focus, it's the focus, it's the focus, it's the focus, it's the focus, it's the focus, it's, it's, it's, it's the focus, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's the focus of who you're asking for assistance with, right? Like, when I'm going through troubles, like, I'll say a prayer to God, but I also will do some mindful meditation because I don't know, because the killer's inside the house, right? Like, my own mind is, is my brain can fill my head with toxic thoughts that aren't true.

Starting point is 01:40:43 So like, I'm not the kind of cognitive distortions. Yeah, there you go, that's a better word for it. But like cognitive distortions. I'm not so Christian, quote unquote, that I think, oh, you just send it all to God in a prayer and that's all you do. Like I just don't believe that. There's tools you can use that aren't that aren't that aren't that aren't that aren't that aren't that aren't thatthe devil that could, you know, help you work through some stuff. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and I think I'm happy to hear that. I stopped short at contacting entities, right?

Starting point is 01:41:09 You know what I mean? No, no, no, and I feel like, also I would shit my pants. I would shit my pants. You've never been abducted by an alien? No, dude, but like if an entity just through here and started like talking to me, I would just go, oh my god, tall greys are so cold. Like they're so cold. Alex, have you heard of instances

Starting point is 01:41:34 like he's describing where contact is that obvious? With entities? Oh, yeah, of course, people have had smoke appear? You know, things like things in the material world change instantly. Like, you can, you can, people have done evocations for angels and then have had certain dreams that coincide with the color of the angel. Like, there's all these crazy synchronicities, like there are spirits and entities out there to work with. Everyone, mostly Christians believe

Starting point is 01:42:05 that anyone who's doing that is being deceived by the devil, but other people live very happy, full lives working with spirits and angels and all of that. Because I think it takes a certain person to say, how the fuck could I be in this universe and just say, yeah, this is all there is. It's just solipsism and materialism and there's nothing past this. I mean, no, I mean, why do so many addicts like get better when they surrender to a higher power, they bring a higher power in. It's because people would say the pursuit of addiction is trying to transcend the material world, trying to receive a spiritual experience,

Starting point is 01:42:45 because you're just keeping on going on the treadmill until you reach that perfect high, but what if the spirit world can give you that right away? Would voodoo and Sanaria be considered dark magic? It's not dark magic. No. their magic, And it's very traditional, and it kind of shows you that, you know, in our Western culture that like we have all this fear-based Christian views of magic, but you fucking go anywhere else

Starting point is 01:43:10 in the world and they're like, yeah, I've removed this hex. I did, I just, the blood moon was last month, you know what I mean? Like, it just goes to show you that like our North American Viacom society is so, you know, removed from spirit, removed from spirituality. Yeah, those Greeks believe in that evil eye, like they say it's not trade-u's and stuff. It's very serious to them. Yeah, yeah, Maki. Yeah. Wow.

Starting point is 01:43:34 I grew up Greek Orthodox. Oh, no. No. Ploat twist. One interesting. Was this a debate? . th, th, th. th. thia, thi, thi, th. thi, thi, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, th. thi, th. thi, thi, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they.... T. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. thi. they. thi. th. th. they. Would you say this was a debate? No.

Starting point is 01:43:46 This is just a conversation. Friendly discussion, I think. Because they kind of get on, they agree on most things. It's just not everything. Interesting. We can try it again and we can make it more entertaining. No, no. No, no, this is great time.

Starting point is 01:43:56 I could listen to go and see my kids. I'd sit here all day with you guys. Wonderful show. Real quick, Isaac, tell them where they can find you. My stuff is, so, IlluminatiWatcher.com is the website. I'm on Instagram at Isaac Wisehop, and you can listen to one of my podcasts called conspiracy theories and unpopular culture, everywhere you can find podcast. That's the flagship show. And th, I I I I I I I I I I th, the the th, the th, the th, th, th, the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi, thi, thi, the thi, the the the thi, they're they're they're they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's they's they's they can't they's they can't they's, they's, they's they's they's, they's they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's they's, they's, the the the the the the the the the the the thi, the the thea, the the the the the thea'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a'a, they're they're they're they're they're they're they's the flagship show and then I've got other shows I do on Rockfin so if you're on Rockfin hit me on Rockfin I'm at Isaac I've also got a Patreon, Patreon.com slash Illuminati Watcher until

Starting point is 01:44:33 they ban me so thank you. Nice Alex talk to me where can they find you? I have no social media accounts so you can go to the website POP MAGICK.com and Alex Kazemi.com. With a cat. Yeah, yeah, magic with a K. And then Alex Kazemi. Dot com and you, and if you like this episode, write me a letter.

Starting point is 01:44:54 I love to hear letters from people. I'm very 1997 that way. But yeah, no social media accounts. But even if you don't, you know, want to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to practice to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the think my book is a good way to show you what is happening. And if you're curious about what is happening in witchcraft and magic and what it is, it's a good reference point to learn. All right, guys, a wonderful conversation. Thank you so much. Yeah, we're going to be putting out a special episode on Friday, everybody. If everything goes according to plan, we're going to be putting out a special episode on Friday, everybody.

Starting point is 01:45:26 If everything goes according to plan, we're going to be doing a swarm tank. And then next week we're taking off, so we're going to have a week off everybody. So go back and listen to some old episodes or something like that. Well, we have one episode. Yeah, we have one more Monday. And then the next, the next two shows, we won't, we won, we won, we won, we won, we won, we won, we won, we won, we won, we won, we won, we won, we will, th, th, th, th, th, th, the next two shows, we won't be doing two shows. So, a little break's coming up because I have to go home for my old ass reunion and see some friends. So, I love you guys very much. I hope you enjoyed the last couple episodes because it's been purefire. And again, check us out on Rockfin and go to Sam Tripoli.com for all your video.

Starting point is 01:46:04 And yeah, check out everything. Check me out on Rockfin, check out the t-shirts, check everything. We love you very much. Take care everybody. We go deep home boy. Eric, open your mind. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. There's some interdimensional shit.

Starting point is 01:46:28 Wake up, Aaron! This is only the beginning. There, you just blew my mind.

Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #481: The Great Occult Magick Debate with Isaac Weishaupt and Alex Kazemi

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