Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #496: The Bolshevik Revolution, The International Secret Intelligence Service and The Freemasons with Richard Spence

Starting point is 00:00:00 Tinfoil Hat. Oh, what the fuck are you guys even talking about? Global controls will have to be imposed. And a world governing body will be created to enforce them. Welcome to Tinfoil Haas. We go deep, home boy. Aaron, open your mic. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning.

Starting point is 00:00:41 There, you just move my mind. Are you ready to get your mind down? Good morning swarm and welcome to Timful Hat. You know I am, you know what I'm here to do. I'm here to. Roch. Shout out. Shout out. Shut out.

Starting point is 00:00:56 to Xavier Greero and his beef jerky and shout out. to Jay nice. thin. Are you excited? Shout out. Oh yeah. Yep. Are you excited? What is this? Is this one of those things we're supposed to get loud every time?

Starting point is 00:01:10 Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited. We're all excited. Yeah. Arsenio you are. Yeah, you are so white. So what dude you didn't watch our city uncle? Oh yeah I went raising the room. Yeah. Whoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo. Whoo!

Starting point is 00:01:27 Whom! Whom? That was like the biggest thing in a night. White people just wanted. Well, that's what they did. They made it, they made like black culture accessible to white people by by giving us that. The woo woo woo woo. Yeah, I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, that, that, that, that, that, that, th, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, the that, the the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, that, that, that, that, that, that, that was like, that was like, that was like, that was like, that was like, that was like, that was like, that was like, that was like, the white, the the white thi, time and that time does not. I mean like look at all the talk show host now compared to what it used to be. I mean maybe it's always been like that. I don't know but.

Starting point is 00:01:50 I don't think so dude. No, those guys had edge man. They had like, like think about who would you rather hang out with the talk show host of the early 90s when you had Letterman, Carson, th....... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I m. I mean, thi. I mean, I mean, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, th. I, I, I, I th. I th. th. I th. th. th. th. th. thi. the. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. I the. I the. I m. I mean, maybe, maybe, maybe, The question is this, Johnny. Does anyone seem happy now in any of this stuff? None of them seem happy? Does everyone seem happy back then? No. No, I mean, Carson, you know, he was drunk and Letterman we know he's never happy. It's just weird because it's like, the time now is like,

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Starting point is 00:03:05 Yeah, I would be bullied do you remember like you know how they were saying that John Stewart's new show is like like from the past yeah, I saw and you watch it you go the fact that you think this from the past let you know that that you realize what you do is mediocre and you have to somehow taint this thing that was that the the the the the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact the fact th th that that that that that that. that. that. thin. that. that. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that thi. that that thi. thi. thi. you. you. th. you. th. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that thi. thi have to somehow taint this thing. That was Alan's Alan Sephenwall from Rolling Stone. And if you look, all the comments were like, what the fuck are you talking about? We liked the show in the past, so why would we not want it? I mean, the one I watched was just a giant episode. You watch the one, yeah, that's. I mean, like the one the one the one the one the one the one the one the one the one the one the one the one the one the one the one. the one. the one. the one. the one. the one. the one. the one. the one. the one. the one. the one. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that's. that one yeah that's I mean like dude look at that deep he's evolved and he just did a deep dive on it too it was so cool that's a that's a different to not see anybody move on he

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Starting point is 00:04:48 It was generous but I thought it was interesting take. I think based on Stephen Colbert's past actions that's it yeah and past rhetoric I think he's a propagandist. Yeah I heard he's a nice guy but he's just milked toast you know it's just boring. He's just th th th th he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he he's he he's he's he's he's hea. He's hea- he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he he he he he he he he he he's he he he he's he's he's he's he's he's he's th. He's he's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's he's he's he nice guy, but he's just he's he's milk. I mean he's milk toast, you know, it's just boring. Well, he's just bought and sold. He's white bread. You remember when he was trying because they want to get rid of him to put him with the fat British annoying dude? Yeah. Right now James Corden is the ultimate shill. I mean, he is. He were. Is there any way. Pue propaganda? Is there any any any any any way the their any way their their their that guy who looks like that with that energy is a swell guy to hang out with like, do you think that guy treats waiters and waitresses and no no boys, nice? That guy, I've met that guy a thousand times and he is insanely brutal, right?

Starting point is 00:05:41 So today I was driving to a gig. I was driving into a gig. This girl in her car, I'm pulling up, just pulls out in front of me, drives me off my lane into basically oncoming traffic and wait snow. I'm Armenian, bro. You don't do that shit to me on the fucking road. I run up, I got, and I hit my brakes, and I stopped her for a second. I gave her a fucking look. She starts flipping me off. This tiny little girl starts flipping me off.

Starting point is 00:06:12 Part of me is turned on, okay? The second part of me is like, this is where we are in society. That there's no threat of any ramifications. Especially for an thia certain kind kind kind a certain kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you that you can that you can that you can that you can that you can that you can that you can that there's no threat of any ramifications. Especially for a certain kind of person. That you can just talk to anybody how you want, regardless of the actions you've taken. Well, she's probably oblivious. She probably had no idea. She just almost killed somebody.

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Starting point is 00:12:51 Yeah, I just love how fucking, just, it's so fucking. You're there all three days? Yeah. Man, you really do love it. You're there all three, yeah, just look there here. People let it hang out down there for sure. Dude, I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I mean, I th, I th, I th, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th. th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to, theean, to. to. to. to. to. thean, thean, thean, thea. tha. tha. tha, th. th. there all through. Yeah, just look that here. Yeah. Two weeks after that again People let it hang out down there for sure dude. I mean, it's like New York versus Miami Do you know live. New York is like sex in the city hot and then fucking uh then then you got Miami which is like like, you know everybody just came out of a strip club You know, you know, like, everybody just to live. I do. But like, thi. th. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody everybody. Everybody. Everybody everybody. Everybody everybody. Everybody everybody. Everybody everybody. Everybody everybody. Everybody everybody. th. th. th. Everybody everybody. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. Everybody everybody just. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. the. It. It. It. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. ffing for us. But like Miami's just all like the the gorilla porn like you know someone's got a camera. The bang like everybody's waiting to get pickled by a bang bus you know. Yeah yeah yeah it's right it's the bang bus or four. All the smoke shows with like

Starting point is 00:13:35 big pen tattoos on their's great. You never see street hookers anymore. About the 500s, a couple people have asked me, we're not gonna have like an official hotel situation, right? We were trying to make it, but like, I'm sorry, dude. When we started the idea of the 500, I didn't realize the madness that is going to be Vegas. I mean, is lost its call. You mean because of pandemic? Just everything like how much it costs every I hate saying you had to recommend like a close-by place do you have anyone? Do you want to know where I'm

Starting point is 00:14:13 gonna say Golden Gate? Okay the Golden Gate Casino that's where I'm staying. Come hang out with me. We're gonna hang out. We're gonna get on Friday. You already got, reservation, right? Yeah. Okay. Just make sure before we say that. Well, I got for all of us. So come hang out, that's where we're going. Because I love Fremont Street, just shady shit. I like it too. It's cheaper. It's a police. the old guy in a diaper. Fremont Street experience, it was originally going to be a giant... Gondola?

Starting point is 00:14:45 No, no, no, the USS Enterprise, like a full-scale replica of the USS Enterprise from Star Trek. It was going to, that's what was going to be the Fremont Street. How happy are they that they didn't do that? Because nobody gives a fuck about Star Trek. I don't know, dude. Dude, let me, hold on, I'll show you. My buddy Marcus Coughlin used to be part of the Star Trek experience. I went to that, yeah. My buddy was an actor there.

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Starting point is 00:19:07 Let's get into it, man. Super excited to have this guest on. He is an author. He wrote a book called Secret Agent 666. Please welcome, Rick Spence. For our listeners, the swarm who may not be familiar with you and your work, can you tell us a little bit about yourself? Okay, I'm a recently retired professor of history

Starting point is 00:19:27 at the University of Idaho in glorious Moscow, Idaho, northern skinny part of the state. And my interest over the years of, you know, I started out just pretty much as a normal historian and my interest for an eastern year. Basically in, in, where everything begins is my unhealthy interest in modern Russian history. So of course, when you get into modern Russian history, you get into the Russian Revolution,

Starting point is 00:19:56 which everything tends to revolve, everything's leading up to the revolution and everything flows out of the revolution. So one of the things that happens if you deal with Russia and you deal with the Russian Revolution is you end up with, well, you know, it's all pretty conspiratorial, isn't it? Yeah. Because the one thing that you cannot have is a revolution without a conspiracy. Because if you try that, if you try to overthrow the government and you're not keeping things under wraps, you'll be hanging from a lamppost in very short order or put up against the wall and shot. So revolutionary activity requires conspiracy in order to have any chance of functioning. And I guess one of the things that I need to explain here since that word conspiracy

Starting point is 00:20:42 gets thrown around all the time, conspiracy There is conspiracy that is to explain what I mean by a conspiracy. So here's Spence's definition of a conspiracy. This isn't necessarily anybody else's, but it's mine. It's two or more people working together in secret to attain a common end. That's all it is. Now, that's really sort of taken from the definition of criminal conspiracy, but that involves two or more people

Starting point is 00:21:13 working to achieve an unlawful land, but I don't even say it has to be unlawful. Conspiracies don't have to be about achieving anything, which is unlawful or immoral or unethical. They usually are, but they don't have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have are, but they don't have to be. It's just two or more people working together in secret. That's the nobody else is in on this to achieve a common end. Now once you kind of digest that basic definition and you begin to look around, you can see that that pretty much is everything. Yes, 100%.

Starting point is 00:21:49 It covers the broad range of human activity. So there's sort of a low-level conspiracies, medium-level, and higher-level ones, but it's one of those things that human beings engage in all the time. I mean, if you've ever been in a situation where, I don't know, maybe you and some friends were going to do something, but, you know, if you weren't sure you wanted to include, I don't know, Bob. Yeah. And so it's like, well, let's go ahead and do this, but let's not tell Bob. Well, you're conspiring against Bob. Bob isn't necessarily aware of it. He doesn't know that that that that that that that that that that that that th is is is is is is that th is th is th is th is th is th is happening th is happening that th is happening that thi thi's is happening thi. thi. thi. thi. thi's thi's thi. thi. thi's thi's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I's thi. I's thi. I's thi. I's thi. I's thi. I is. I is. I is. I is. I is. I is. I is. I is. I is. I is. I is. I is. I's thi. I's thi. I's thi. I's thi. I's thi. I's thi. I's thi. I'm thi. I'm. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. I'm't know that this is happening, but that's what you're doing. That's a very low end of the speed spectrum conspiracy.

Starting point is 00:22:29 But the things is very, very common. So one of the things you often get, particularly when people tell around conspiracy theories, is that, well, conspiracies are only things that are imaginary and people never do this. No, no, no, people, people, no, people, no, people, no, people, people, no, people, no, people, no, people, no, people, people, no, people, no, people, people, no, no. People do it all the time. All the time. It's just the way, just the way that people operate. And particularly when you get into the realm of things like high level economics, business, politics. You can't really have politics without essentially some kind of that sort of

Starting point is 00:23:00 operation going forth. So that,that's was kind of my gateway drug I guess the Russian Revolution and the conspiracies connected to it. I think the Russian Revolution is a humongous part of human history. I mean a humongous part and I really want to get into that but I want to ask you so you know this is a conspiracy show we we're not afraid to that term we actually embrace it that is the name of the show it's called Tim Fall Hat was done purposefully to own that that that term so that you know because I always felt like when you allow people to have a name that you just want to get rid of so badly that you like kind of

Starting point is 00:23:45 you you empower it so you don't really own it but you empower it so we kind of wanted to own the phrase tipholl hat or the description tip fall hat but something I've learned on the show is like you know people you know in my life people who don't list the show, people, family members, particularly ones who have vaginas, okay? They tend to go to me. Oh, is everything a conspiracy? And to that I say, in my honest opinion, yeah, there is a lot, I mean, is everything in conspiracy? Well, I mean, I ordered a chicken kebab for lunch. I got the chicken kebab. There's no conspiring there.

Starting point is 00:24:30 I ordered it out and open. But you know, news, politics, business, there is so much. There is so much. I mean, when you're a kid, Santa Claus. One hundred percent. Everyone's in on it, you're not supposed to know that who Santa Claus is for sure for for sure and that's like the number one and we all fall for everyone's in on it that's the crazy part everyone the TV's on it here's some guy that brings you this and he does it yeah well here's the other thing you can add to the the tendency of people to conspire to engage in the kind the kind kind the kind the kind kind kind the kind the kind kind the kind the kind kind the kind the kind the kind the kind the kind the kind the kind the kind the kind the kind the kind the kind the kind the kind. the kind. the kind. the the the the the to engage. to engage in to to engage in to engage in to engage. to engage. to engage. to engage. to engage. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the the. the the the. the the te. the the the the the the te of of of the the kind of activity I describe. They lie, right? It's just one of the

Starting point is 00:25:05 things, you know, we all do it on occasion, usually when it serves our interest better than the truth does, which is fairly often. But in the other hand, people just lie sometimes for no particular reason. Those are the ones that are always kind of bewildering in some ways that I know, why are they like? You have people who just make stuff up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the their their their their their, their their, their, their, their, their, their th. their to to to to to to their th. to to to to to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, their their th, their their their their their their their their their their their their thi. their thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to. to. to. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi., why are they lying? You have people who just make stuff up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, for either to get attention or something else, but that's the commonplace. And in Santa Claus is a good example of that, because here's this whole sort of societal conspiracy against children.

Starting point is 00:25:37 What you're gonna do, who you protest a love so much, but what you're going to do is you're going to vicariously terrorize them with this being who can punish them or withhold presence from them. And somehow it won't be your fault, you know, as the parent, it will be because, well, they were bad and Santa put you on his list. Which is blackmail. It truly Santa involves blackmail of, if you act bad, you're going to be punished. So don't act bad, do what we tell you to do, and you will receive the promises. He can see when you're not looking. He can see when you're not looking.

Starting point is 00:26:17 Yeah, I like, we're always watching. It's out of our hands because Santa's a magical being, right? He's more powerful the way. There's nothing we can do about it. You know, in areas in Europe, particularly in the Netherlands or German, the Santa Claus there is a little, well, darker. He has this little evil companion who comes along with him called Black Pete. And one of the thing, you know, there, the traditional, you know, if you were a bad kid, you're, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they... the, the, the, the, the, the, is, is, is, is, is, is, is a. the, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is........................ the, is.... the, is. the, is. the, is. the, is. the, is. the, is. the, is. the, is. the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, in. the, in. the, in. the, in areas. the, in. the thing, you know, there, the traditional, you know, if you were a bad kid, you just didn't get coal in your stocking or no presents. You were stuffed in a bag and carried off and sold to the Turks. Oh, my God. That's what could happen to you. If you're really bad, you could just disappear from the face of the earth. Yeah, sounds like politics. Yeah, it's so it's a, yeah, I remember being at a,

Starting point is 00:27:06 hey, this was actually with my in-laws, which were wonderful people, but some years back and one of them had a small daughter, and I don't know what it was, but you know, I think the eggnog had been going around, I probably had more to drink of that than I should have. And the little girl said, and a little girl said, th said, and s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s, and a, and a, and a, and a, and a, and a, and a, and a, and a, I, and a, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th, I, th, th.. th. thi, thin, thin, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi, thi, thi, thi, was, was, was, thi, thi, was, thi, thooooooooooooooo. was thi, was thi, was thi, thi, was thi, something about, oh, well, Santa's going to bring me this, and Santa's going to bring me that, and Santa. And then she asked me what I thought about Santa. And I said, well, there is no Santa.

Starting point is 00:27:29 Oh my God. I said, Santa doesn't exist. He goes, yes, there is. My mommy told me so. And for some reason I know I shouldn't have. mommy's lying. Oh my God. He's going hard. You know, you're not, and some years or now, you're going to realize that I'm the one that's telling you the truth. And your mother was the one that was lying to you. And I want you to remember that when that day comes.

Starting point is 00:27:55 That didn't go over well. Her mother overheard that. And I had telling her was absolutely true. I was the only adult in the room who would be honest with her and I was the bad guy. So there you go. No, I totally agree with you. I was traumatized when Mrs. LeVoy told me that Santa wasn't real, that was very true. That was very true. to me, but what I will tell you is that what you're saying right now is playing out in

Starting point is 00:28:27 real time with adults, which is people prefer comfortable live, comforting eyes to unsettling truth. We're bad guys, we're bad guys on YouTube. Get rid of the bad guys. Yeah. They're telling the truth, get rid of the bad guys. And what we're also seeing is this this kind of mental gymnastics that comes with having a set rule that you have pushed for decades and then totally being fine with throwing that rule out when it doesn't fit what you believe anymore, right? Well that's, you know, that maybe is the third point in it is that we're always taught that there are rules.

Starting point is 00:29:08 You know, things work by rules. We have to obey the rules. And then it's, you know, it's a little bit like, you know, I think the, put this, one of the places you canthen there are the things where they really work. They're all the different ways because as soon as you create rules as soon as you establish something, as you put up some sort of a wall, people are going to try to find ways to get over it or under it or around it. They're going to, when you, as one person put it, a wiser man than me, once you create a system of any kind, then it is a natural human tendency to game that system, to figure out how you can manipulate it in some respects.

Starting point is 00:29:53 And so there are rules, but yeah, rules only stand for as long as they're useful, and then they're, then we have special situations. See, that's why we have martial law. So, that's, there's, see, that's always in the background because, well, there's a constitution and there are rights, except when there's martial law. So if there's something really goes, if something really gets serious,

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Starting point is 00:30:56 capitalism socialism communism right and everybody has their arguments and then there's also anarchy is in there as well. And you have everybody debating all these things. But my whole opinion is, no matter what system you use, it is corruptible. It is all corruptible by power and influence and money. So, and that there's always going to be a group of really smart people and really wealthy people and really powerful people that can game the system.

Starting point is 00:31:29 It does not matter what it is. And you could say, well, you know, if you're an anarchist you'd be like, well, we're gonna, we're gonna put our foot down and we're, dude, that's been said a thousand times and when push came the shove, everybody ran or nobody did anything. You see it happened all the time. And I think that's kind of a great example of what happened with, you know, the Russian Civil War is that in my humble opinion, and you correct me if I wrong, there were outside influences that came in and completely corrupted the system within Russia. And Russia was, you know, I think Russia was way more powerful than we are led

Starting point is 00:32:16 to believe in modern US history, what it represented in terms of globally, what the Russian royalty and you know hierarchy? What they were and who they did and how they operated was much more influential and powerful than I think a lot of people would want to believe in that outside influences came in. We somewhat see that in action today here in the United States came in and just in my humble opinion I'd love to to hear your opinion Rick, destroyed it through the inside. Well, you know, funny thing, I actually wrote another book pretty much on that theme. In fact, my book that came out most

Starting point is 00:32:56 recently was Wall Street and the Russian Revolution. And some people may say, that title sounds similar to a book by Anthony Sutton called Wall Street in the Bolshevik Revolution. And that's because it was his book that inspired me to write this one. And without going too much into ancient history, Anthony Sutton was an American researcher back in the 1960s and 1970s,

Starting point is 00:33:20 who first really sort of could see that there were these kind of interesting connections between American financial interests and by the way German and British and even French financial interests and political interests in and around the Russian Revolution. He didn't have a lot of material to work with because there wasn't a lot of archival sources or other things that have opened up since.

Starting point is 00:33:41 And so what I did in my book was to look specifically, concentrate really upon American connections to the Russian Revolution. And it really comes down to treating political, today we talk about a thing called regime change. Hear that term around? We're going to have regime change, Which means often if you look at it, it involves going in forming organizations, usually NGOs working through those, through that to fulmin protests. One of the next stages you see is that there are mass protests in the

Starting point is 00:34:19 capital city that places stress on the government. And then this is the way regimes are brought down. If you look in the last 20 years, you can see that places stress on the government. And then this is the way regimes are brought down. If you look in the last 20 years, you can see that sort of playbook happening again and again and again. And that's not really accidental and it's not spontaneous, and yes, it does involve conspiracy, and we call it regime change. But that sort of thing has been going on much longer than the term existed. So the whole Russian phenomenon the early 20th century

Starting point is 00:34:49 is complicated. But yeah, go back to something you said, if you looked at Zorist Russia in the early 20th century, in the two decades or so building up to the revolution. The general portrait we get of it was that Russia was a horrible country. It was thoroughly impoverished. The Tsar was an evil man.

Starting point is 00:35:11 His regime was corrupt and oppressive. And that's true to a certain extent. It was very backward in a number of ways. A lot of people in the country were very poor. They were in most places. All right. This is this is one of the things you're going to keep in mind is that most people who ever lived anywhere at any time in history have been poor. Yes. I get that. You know, and they say that like, oh, people are dying. Yeah, and they say that like, oh, people are dying. their. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. T. th. T. th. th. T. th. T. th. th. th. T. T. T. T. T. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. T. T. T. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. this. th. this is th. this is this is this is this is one. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th was dying? When did nobody die? What was that period? What were they doing then?

Starting point is 00:35:47 It didn't exist. You know, I mean, I wish that wasn't so, you know, since you get older, you become more conscious of that. Yeah, yeah. But never, it's all part of the circle of life, right? People are born, they live for a time and they tends to happen with regimes. But actually, if you look at Russia in that period, it was really on the verge of this kind of economic breakout. Because remember, you've got, yeah,

Starting point is 00:36:11 the biggest land state on earth still is. It's got every kind of natural resource you could possibly imagine. And the problem, simply often because of the size of the place, was exploiting those resources. And the Russian, Russia was making really significant strides. And one of the things that the revolution and the civil war and all the chaos did was to set that back. It sort of derailed the whole course of the country. And much of that really just comes down to the very simple thing of a competition for resources. And there was a feeling in places like London and even in some places like New York and in Berlin that Russia, this backward regime really just had too many of the world's resources

Starting point is 00:36:59 and we should really, we should have them. We should be able to control them in one way or the other. And there are two ways to do that one is that you invade and conquer the place and then you have all the problems of having to administer it and control the population you know and God knows feed them or you carry out regime and you install a regime that will do all the dirty work for you and you simply reap the profits. Yeah. All right, if you want to see a place where that type of thing goes on today, look at Africa, look at the Congo. Okay, hey everybody, I want to tell you about our friends in

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Starting point is 00:39:36 That's you are B, A, N, I.S.T.A.A. dot com slash Tinfoil. Get the headphones, rock out. Okay, if you look in the 1990s, that the Congo, tremendously wealthy country, it is mired in poverty and war and disease. And that is because of different groups from the country fighting against each other, but also of outside interests coming in, fueling this war and these factional disputes with all the aim of installing

Starting point is 00:40:08 a regime that will then give them the rights to you know mine lithium for cell phone batteries so that's what that whole war was about batteries for cell phones and the whole theory is is like why have to why have to pay an entire country when you can just pay one one person which is the dictator you and you insert the dictator and ultimately what happens either that dictator starts to get too big big for his britches he starts believing his own hype thinking he can make calls or you just need another war so you just figure out a way to get rid of him and put somebody else in that will do your get.

Starting point is 00:40:48 You see it happen over and over and over and over again in the Middle East. I mean, they just take out moderate guys and put in crazier people than when the people get tired of him, they take him out and they put another guy in that's all going to do their job, but they never ever have to, you know, buy, you know, pay off the entire country. It's pay off the strong man who controls everything allows you to get your profits. And then the bad guy becomes a good guy. Is that where the term banana republic comes from basically that? In turn like you become, isn't that for like Asians? No, that's not for Asians. I'm sorry about that.

Starting point is 00:41:27 He's new to this country. Um, it's basically, I forget what country was, but basically they wanted to control the banana trade, I believe. Oh, it was a United, Central America. It was Nicaragua, Guatemala, and the big American interest there in the early 20th century was the United Fruit Company. And the United Fruit Company of course wanted to have cooperative governments who would let them grow as many bananas or as much coffee as they wanted to and not tax them. And when politics got in the

Starting point is 00:41:58 way of that, the United Fruit Company got the US government to send in the Marines. So if you tend to go back and look at, you know, the US the US the US the US the US the US US US US US US US US US US US US US the US US the US the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, to, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, to. to. to, to. to, to, to, to, to. to. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to. I. And, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. government to send in the Marines. So if you tend to go back and look at, you know, the U.S. was, you know, spent 30 years in Nicaragua, essentially enforcing political order, largely for the benefit of the United Fruit Company and other American contractors, and installing one sort of strongman after the other, you install this guy, you send in some military advisors, you sell him lots of weapons, make sure the country stays in debt, and he keeps his population in line and you get your bananas. Yeah, yeah, and that's how it goes. And you know, I think that's a big thing about what happened to Russia. It's just like there were certain outside influences that didn't like the power. And the fact that, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, and he keeps the the the the the the their, and he keeps their, and he keeps their, and he the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, and he the, and he th, and he the, and he the, and he the, and he the, and he the, and he keeps the, and he keeps the the the the thea thea thea thea thea thea thea thea thea thea thea the the thi thi th were certain outside influences that didn't like the power and the fact

Starting point is 00:42:47 that you know Russian bloodlines I think are very important people, the Russian monarchy, very important people. And they wanted to get them out and install their own people that would basically, you know, I'm sorry but keep the, keep the population poor and allow the leaders to reap all the rewards. I mean, I want to get into this on another podcast, but these Pandora papers, right? I mean, like, dude, Putin's mistress has a hundred million dollars. So, like, what does Putin have? have? Gotta be a trillion right? He's the richest man in the world. Look how poor. Look how poor Russians are.

Starting point is 00:43:34 Well they're not as poor as they used to be. I mean they're the relevant in terms of the, but I mean it's not just Russians. I mean you think that Putin and his mistress are the only ones that have a lot of money stashed offshore? No, no, no, no. I would bet that if you wanted to, you know, shock Americans to the extent that they can actually be shocked anymore about anything, I don't know how many of our leaders, you know, either political or all of our influencers, which is a fancy word for propagandist, isn't it? Yeah, for sure, dude. I know somebody who's a prouder, I'm, I'm, I'm a YouTube influencer. You're just a chill for somebody. That's all you're doing. You're selling something.

Starting point is 00:44:14 If you're not selling yourself, you're selling something else out there. But you see how unpleasant I can be. This is why I'm not good at Dude, you're in the right right right right right right right right right right right that action, dude. And you know, it's very interesting because, you know, a video just went out about what they call the dead internet. When I want to do an episode on a dead internet, which is the notion that up to 60, 61% of the profiles on the internet are fake. And that there is there is th is th is thoe thoes thoes thoes thoes tho tho tho tho tho tho tho that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's tho-in, that's that's that that that that that that that that that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that there is this thing where like based on what the powers that be and you know Facebook Google these all have US intelligence agency fingerprints and funding all around okay so you got you got YouTube which is Google

Starting point is 00:45:01 Facebook all have like all have intelligence funding behind it. And, you know, this push to make certain people up and kneecap other people. So you shadow ban some people and we've seen it with the show completely shadow band. And then we see some people that, you'll see some people like, their tweets make no sense and they get a bazillion likes. You're like, why is that person got a bazillion likes?

Starting point is 00:45:27 But when they go do a show, they can't sell a ticket, right? So it's like, because there's no real people following them because they're getting propped up and we can get in cultural Marxism and if that's a different discussion, but that's kind of what's going on and I think that's kind of what happened in Russia. Well you know what blew my mind not even that how most links don't even aren't even real. What you click the link and it doesn't send you to? What do you click the link and it doesn't? You click the link and it doesn't send you? that's what it said. It never clicked on that but I've seen it taking me where it won't upload or anything like that. Because they know most people won't read the article. Yeah, they'll just read the title. And it'll be like, did you hear that? The nuclear bombs? That same video you sent me, it was talking about that because I sent you the part. That's the part the part the part. the part. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the part you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the part you. Yeah. Yeah. th. th. Yeah. Yeah. the part th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the part the part the part th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the part the part the the the the the the the th. Most the the the th. Most the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the article. the article. the article. the article. the article. the the article. the the the the the th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. Most. th. Most. Most. Most. Most. Most. Most. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Most. Most. Most. Most. Most. Most. Most. Most. Mostandists and you know like who they want to push and what they do and it's like whoever it is, whether it's the CCP or

Starting point is 00:46:30 you know this red scare like craziness that was going on in the US media or whoever it is. It's so easy to hide too because they don't even have to program these people or tell them what to say. They just let the people who are saying what they want to be said rise to the top. Yeah promote them, right? Like when that trans woman's like, we should give puberty blockers to children until they're old enough to figure out what gender they want to be. You're like, nobody thinks that. Just Yahoo, which is a dead brand that has name recognition, is being used to put out information and then when people destroy

Starting point is 00:47:13 Yahoo, no real brand takes a hit. Apple doesn't take a hit because Apple's making money. You who doesn't make money but the name registers. Yahoo or whatever. You too really. When's the last time you had a you? That's that's the th. That's th. That's th. It th. It's th. It's the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. It's the the the th. It's the the the the the the the the their their their their the thi thi the. they they's they's they's they's they's th. It's they's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is the the the the the the thi is the the the thi. the the. the. the the. the the. the the the the the the the. the the the. their the. the. the. the. the. th money but the name registers Yahoo or whatever. You too really. When's the last time you had a you. That's true. That's true. What do you think with the Facebook going down? Do you think that had anything to do? I mean they lost money technically. What? Oh, Facebook. You guys see what I think what I think about Facebook going down? their face and the suddly. the th is th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the thi. the the the the the thi. the the thi. the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they. the. the. the. their. their. their. their. theirthat the timing with the whistleblowers was suspicious. I mean, you've now got someone who's going on raising complaints about it, and then suddenly the whole thing goes down. And now, I could be entirely wrong and see, I'm engaged in way too much sort of conspiratorial thinking, but the first thing that came to mind is that, well, they're turning

Starting point is 00:47:59 off the lights to delete files. They're th. tho. to delete files. Okay, they're getting rid of something. And then they can claim what we were hacked. That's what they did claim. Yeah. No, no. The claim was that the security was so tight in there that they couldn't even get into their own servers. No, no, no, that is that the employees couldn't even get in the word stuff.

Starting point is 00:48:18 But there was a story. Chinese company with hacker guys. All right, it's always the perfect fault. I mean, let's sort of, you know, go back and put together three things. We talked about it. Okay. One is the tendency of people to engage in conspiratorial behavior. Two or more people working a secret to attain a common end. All right, that's something that people just do all the time. Two, the tendency of human beings to lie, either to lie strategically or simply to lie pathologically. And then third, the idea that any system that can be created

Starting point is 00:48:53 can be, can be gamed or worked. So when you put those together, conspiratorial thinking, the tendency to lie, the obsessive desire to game anything, and then that's the way the world works, and then the problem becomes what's real. And then you find out that, I mean, this is the thing you got to ask yourself, how much of what we tend to take for granted about reality, about the world is Santa Claus. I totally agree with that. I totally agree with that man. I totally agree with that. There was a video of a guy in New York City working at a cash register with literally a hazmat suit on. And you're like

Starting point is 00:49:34 in that guy's world he's in the middle of a black plague that could take anyone around him. Even though they're laying off health care workers left and right, you know, and it's just, it's so true like... But that helps their narrative in their eyes, that helps the narrative. When the CIA got busted for spending $600 million on a, basically giving $600 million to a British PR company to make ISIS beheading videos. Yeah. And you're like that was put out because they wanted to scare everybody that ISIS was scary, right? Then we go to the Chinese virus, right? You remember the videos coming out? People just falling on the streets, everyone's like, oh my God! You could just

Starting point is 00:50:22 fall dead on the streets. That sets up hysteria. I mean, what scared me was people getting all crazy about Instagram not working their Facebook. Imagine if Google went down. Well, I would, well, because your emails? Yeah, emails, huh, Johnny? Imagine if Google went down. It's happened briefly a few times. I would gladly sacrifice my emails for Google to go down. We've lost it. We've lost Google for briefly for Gmail for a while. Yeah, yeah. I think it happened the other day.

Starting point is 00:50:50 So I mean, there's a lot of stuff to get into. I could listen to you talk about the Russian Revolution forever. Well, but I think you had a question about what were some of these mysteries. of sort of unsolved historical mysteries? Yes, I love that. I've been wanting to do mysteries on this show. I would love to hear some more. What are some of these mysteries that you some of your favorites that haven't been 12? Here's one that here's one that interests me because it's one of these things I've never been able to really get a handle on. And in some cases, you know, going back to what we're talking about a few minutes ago, what's real and what's Santa Claus? And the same thing is true in history. Because history is basically this received wisdom or

Starting point is 00:51:35 story. It's all about a narrative. History is all about the narrative, which is just a fancy word for story. So there's a story about Napoleon, there's a story about World War, and there's a story about everything, and it's essentially true, you know, there was, let's put it this way, we can't argue that there wasn't a first world war, all right? There was a lot of shooting and people died and the Russian Revolution happened. But when you try to get into the details of exactly why did it happen and why the th th th th th th the thi thi the thi thi thi thi the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. theeea. thea. thea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. thea. toea. thea. thooea. thea. thea. the when you try to get into the details of exactly why did it happen and why did it take this particular course and what the results of it were, well then you basically get into opinion. So one of the things, because I'm

Starting point is 00:52:16 interested in let's say this kind of underside of history, one of the things that some other researchers and I would occasionally come across, we'd look at something, you know, again, you could look at something like the outside influences of the Russian Revolution or in other activities. And usually what you're looking at are different governments. You know, you're talking about what the British are doing or what the Germans are doing, or what the French are doing, because it's assumed that there are governmental actors, what in, I think, th th th th th th think thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, I thi, I thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their thi.-i.I thi.I's thi.Ii.Ii.I'm thi.Ii.Iiiiiiii.Iiiiiii. thiiii. their their thi. their doing because it's assumed that there are governmental actors, you know, what in, I think in political science jargon are called state actors, that the whole stage of world events are created by state actors.

Starting point is 00:52:54 But what you would get the sense of every now and then is that there was some kind of actors involved in these process, and this process that weren't necessarily working for any government in particular. In this is where I would run across these occasional references, they would come up in literature, they'd come up on a couple of guys, you know, dubious characters, memoirs, you know, people you can't really tell

Starting point is 00:53:22 whether they're making it up or they're telling the truth. But you would begin to bring together these little bits and pieces, and what they talked about was something it was usually called the International Secret Service Bureau. There seemed to have been other names. I don't know if that was its real, well, there was something called that. But it may have operated under other names. But here's what it was. It was headquartered prior to the First World War in Brussels, Belgium. Now, why Brussels? Why Belgium? Well, basically it seems because Belgium, because it was internationally a neutral country was the only country in the world where there were no laws against espionage. I mean, I mean, if you're was the only country in the world where there were no laws against espionage.

Starting point is 00:54:06 I mean, remember, if you're supposed to be neutral, then you can't have any objections to people spying. So Brussels, who knew it, became the kind of spy capital of Europe. And what this International Secret Service Bureau is claimed to be was a private intelligence agency, which would then be contracted by governments in order to do things that those governments didn't want to do themselves. Oh my God. So you've got some kind of dirty work you want to do, but you don't want to have the British

Starting point is 00:54:40 government's fingerprints on this anywhere. So you pay through third parties this group of people who then they was apparently staffed by people who have been part of the Russian German and other secret services you can never get an idea of who you know spies who went private and now if you think about it it makes perfect sense doesn't it? Eventually I mean it's essentially what you're talking about are espionage mercenaries. And, you know, mercenaries, it sometimes said it's the second

Starting point is 00:55:12 oldest profession. You know, basically you learn how to kill people and then you realize that other people will pay you to do that. And therefore you have, what are the ongoing professions throughout history? Well, if you have skills, if you have experience, if you have, you know, if you're marketable in terms of what you can do and you also can do things that other people probably wouldn't want to do or not even know how to do, but might be morally squishy about doing it, well, there's someone who will pay you to do that. So on the one hand, I can't believe that at some point a group of retired or, let's just

Starting point is 00:55:49 say, simply greedy spies didn't realize they could make a lot more money in private work than they could as a government employee. And this agency is set up. There are a few little sort of official references to it, but you can't get a handle on who the people were behind it. You can rarely get an idea as exactly what they did. Now you gotta think about it. This was a type of thing that you're gonna do work

Starting point is 00:56:17 that other governments don't want to be connected to. So, well, that could be the theft of code books or, you know, economic espionage, but I know the one thing that first comes to mind, murder. Assassinations. All right. So, assassinations, or think of this way, regime change. You know, you hire people in and there's a particular incident and it's recounted in a couple, again, of dubious books that came out in the, in the, 1930s..... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thirt. th. th. thirti. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the one, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. th. th. th. th. So, th. th. So, th. So, th. So, th. th. So, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th.ounded in a couple of, again, of dubious books that came out in the 1930s. And they were written by, you know,

Starting point is 00:56:52 they kind of tell-all memoirs of people who mostly seem to be international con men, but nevertheless were in some of the places they described. You don't know how much what they say you can believe, but here is the story. And the story actually related to, during the Russian Civil War we were talking about and the outside interest, one of the things that happened around 1919 was that the French, the French army actually came in an occupied Odessa, which was a major port, but now Ukraine was in the Russian empire and other areas. so the the the the French. So the French. So the French. So the French. So the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. So thi. So thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thia. thia. thory thi a thi a thi a thi a thi a story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story story. And thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thia. And thia. And thia. And thia. And thi. And thi. And thi. And thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi thi thri. thi a the a the a the a the a the a thi a the Russian Empire, and other areas. So there was a French military intervention.

Starting point is 00:57:28 And in the course of this, the fellow who is the commander of the French forces in Odessa was approached by a woman, well-dressed, you know, apparently beautiful, but aren't they all? And she said, I'm the representative of this international, this sort of private espionage organization. And I'm, I, I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I there, I there, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, so there, so there, so there, so there, so there, so there there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there, so there, so there, so there, so there, so there, so there, so there, so there, so there, so there, so there, so there, so there was there was there was a there was a there representative of this international, this sort of private espionage organization. And I'm here to tell you that we've sort of helped put the Bolsheviks into power and we'd be perfectly happy if you were to pay us to remove them from power. And you should carry back to your bosses in Paris the idea that if I and my organization are paid a sufficient amount of money, I don't know, with some god-awful amount, it's not that much in francs, but a hundred

Starting point is 00:58:12 million francs, let's say, we can see to it that the Soviet government will fall, which will save you a lot of money besides. And if you don't, on the other hand, I can guarantee you that that won't happen. Well, the guy didn't think very much of her proposal and apparently didn't even forward it back to Paris, and the rest they say is history. So it's one of those things that's like, you know, it's like a scene out of a bond movie, all right? And whether or not that actually occurred,

Starting point is 00:58:44 I have a certain idea as to who that woman was. In fact, I'm pretty sure who she was. Who do you think she was? A woman by the name of Nada Rogerski. And originally her name was Nada Azaf. And she was the sister of a fennet of a family relationship, but she was the sister of a man who had been a an Argent provocateur, a kind of deep cover agent for the Russian secret police inside the Zara secret police inside the revolutionary movements. He'd actually headed a terrorist organization.

Starting point is 00:59:17 Jesus. So, I mean, this this shows you the type of thing that was going on. The Tsar's secret police, a thing called the Okrana, which is really what the the K the K the K the K the K the K the K the Kgibibibibibibibibibibibibibibibib-a, what the K what the K what the K what the K, the K, the K, the K, the K, the K, t. t. tz, tha, tha, tm, tm, tm, tm, tm, tm, triv, a triv, triv, a kind kind pro prov, triv, pro pro pro pro pro pro. t. t. t. t. t. t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, type of thing that was going on. The Tsar's secret police, a thing called the Okrana, which is really what the KGB and everything else descended upon. Its job was to combat revolutionary subversion. Now, the Okrana's job was to go out ostensibly and to destroy political threats to the regime. And they were actually fairly good at that because what they did was that they, they were actually fairly good at that, because what they did was that they corrupted or infiltrated people inside those movements.

Starting point is 00:59:50 Yes. And they then began to put their own people at the heads of these movements. So there was a particular revolution, it wasn't the Bolsheviks. So there was a particular revolution, it wasn't the Bolsheviks. It wasn't the Bolsheviks, although they had people inside that, but actually the biggest revolutionary party in Russia wasn't the Bolsheviks, they weren't much of anything up to 1917, but it was a thing called the Party of Socialist Revolutionaries. There you go, the PSRs, or the SRs believed in terrorism. They believed that by assassinating Zaras government officials, they could bring the regime

Starting point is 01:00:22 down. So they organized a the the the could bring the regime down. So they organized a terrorist unit, a whole separate unit that carried out assassinations. The guy who headed that was the fellow by the name of Yevno Azef and he was an agent of the secret police. And by the way, his second in command was also an agent of the secret police. And neither one of them knew that. Oh my god! So this is the way the O'Krona would work. They would infiltrate, the term for this is multiple penetration which anyway glory hole. You never put just one agent inside that.

Starting point is 01:01:05 Right, 100%. I mean, we see that in... Now we're like, FBI arrest FBI at like events. And you're like, dude, I was undercover. Like, how's I supposed to know? And they just do it all... I mean, like, if you take a look at like, here in America, I mean like Jesse Jackson's tied to the FBI. Gloria, uh, from the feminist feminist, the feminist, the feminist, the feminist, the feminist, the feminist, the feminist, the feminist, the feminist, the feminist, the feminist, the feminist, the feminist, the feminist, the feminist, the feminist, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, to to to to to that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to thin, L. Sharpton's tied to the FBI. Gloria from the feminist. Stinin, F. I mean you see that happen all the time, the insertion of controlled opposition into opposition movements. Right. And you never and you be, you know, let's say you can have a central

Starting point is 01:01:44 committee meeting of some revolutionary group and there were twelve people there and half of them are FBI ages but but none of them should know that January 6th no well no more like the Michigan government none of them I mean that was actually if you look at the American Communist Party what remained of it in the 1950s I think there actually was some sort of central committee meeting of the American Communist Party where somebody figured out that half the people there were FBI informants. I mean, there was nothing,

Starting point is 01:02:13 that nobody could go to the bathroom in the Communist Party that the FBI didn't know about it. And, but you, you keep them all separate. No one is supposed to know the other guys an agent because that way they inform on each other. So for instance, let's say you've got three agents infiltrated into this revolutionary group and they should all be reporting back pretty much the same thing, right?

Starting point is 01:02:37 Their stories should judge. Now, if two of them are saying one thing and one isn't, well, then there's a discrepancy disc disc disc disc disc disc disc disc disc disc disc disc disc disc disc disc disc disc disc disc disc disc discre they and they and they and they and 't, well then there's a discrepancy and you need to figure out what that is. And if you find out that one of those three people isn't being honest with you because you can compare their statements to the others, well you can just get rid of them and infiltrate somebody else and you and you get rid of them simply by blowing their cover, you upon their revolutionary comrades will generally get rid of them for you. Damn dude, that is 100%. I mean like in the conspiracy community on the internet, they always say the left is eating itself alive. We always talk about how all who is controlled up, who is not. If you don't talk about this, you're a controlled op. And it's just like, you know, it's just like nobody knows who's coming or going on this show I think it's

Starting point is 01:03:28 Xavier Guerrero. I think it sounds like North Korea how you you can't snitch on anyone everyone just snitches on each other it's so tight it's so tight where it's like that is a big part of social credit score is the 100% snitching on each other. But I mean if you go back to the supposed almost attempt to kidnap the governor of Michigan, like 13, like 13 of the 14 people who did, or no it was 12 out of the 15 were FBI informants. And three of them were homeless. Yeah, it just like doesn't even make any sense, man. You see it happen all the time to the point where

Starting point is 01:04:11 you wonder like how many of these high-impact events aren't involved with some MK Ultra FBI handlers. They did that with the terrorists how they used to make them act like, oh here's the bomb not act like you gonna commit to us I'm like you gave me the bomb like it's not like I mean obviously they're bad people but it's like you're setting them up yeah oh I mean we can go through all the connections to so many these high impact events they have FBI connection they want to be able to to arrest people for thought crime but they they to to to to to they to they they to they to they to they they they they to they they to they to to they they they to to they to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to they to the the the to they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they the the the to to to to to the to to the to the to the the the to the they they they they they they they they they they they they they haven't worked that out yet so this is this close yeah and they're working on time yeah in time but anyway the whole point of this is this goes back a long ways okay so if you thought the you know the FBI didn't invent it the CIA didn't invent it the KGB didn't invent it I'm not

Starting point is 01:04:56 even sure whether the the czarraqa invented it but they certainly perfected it to a degree but what what what what what what what the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the is the is is is is is is. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the is the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th happened in this and see this is one of this is another one of these kind of mysteries leading up to the Russian revolution is that the Okrana was very good at its job. It had so thoroughly penetrated the revolutionary groups that there was nothing that they could plot that the Secret Police didn't know about. Their people were in positions of either leadership or influence. To a great extent they controlled the revolutionaries. They can manipulate them. But notice that the one thing they never do is they never destroy them. There's very simple reason for that.

Starting point is 01:05:39 If your agency's reason to exist is to combat revolutionary conspiracy, then there must always be revolutionary conspiracy, mustn't they? Because if you eliminate that, then nobody needs you anymore. So what they would do, what the Okrana did was essentially manage the revolutionary movements, actually, in some cases, pick the targets who they were supposed to assassinate. Yeah. And maintain, and that way there was always a the the the way there was always the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their is their is their is their is their is their pick the targets who they were supposed to assassinate. Yeah. And maintain that that way, there was always a bigger budget for the secret police, and the secret police began to assume a kind of life of their own.

Starting point is 01:06:19 That is, it's the, certainly the feeling that I have is that by the time 1917 rolled along, the secret police that nominally served the Tsar wasn't really serving him at all. They were serving some other sort of interests. Yes. They were basically were serving their own. And an interesting thing to note is that the Tsaris regime is overthrown, then you got a provisional government, then with the Bolsheviks come along, one of the things that they decide that they have to do is to set up an intelligence service, which is originally a thing called the Cheka, and then that will eventually morph into what will decades that the secret police just continue doing their job under

Starting point is 01:07:06 different management. And in many cases, it's the same people. Yeah, I totally agree with that. I mean, if you want to take a look at what's going on with unions, the police union, do you know the number one group that is funding pushing back on common sense drug laws are police unions? because they know if you eliminate the drug war so much of their funding goes away, their pensions, their retirements, all that stuff. All that decommissioned military shit that they love to play it with.

Starting point is 01:07:39 It just gets all taken away and it's just you need to you know create a problem create the solution right that's kind of what it was about the ones to have you can't get a bad a crisis go to waste yeah 100% exploit it in some way I don't know do you guys if you have run across a guy by the name of HL Manken no who is that I love all this okay H M-E-N-C-K-E-N-K-N-K-E-N-N-N-N-N-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I th th the-I-I-I th th that that that that that that that that that that the the the the the the the the the-I I the-I the-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I th th th th th th I th I th th I th th I th th I th I th I th th I th th I'm th I th I th No, who is that? I love all this. Okay, H.L. M-E-N-C-E-N-K-E-N-K-E-N, was an American journalist, philosopher. He had things generally somewhat snarky to say just about everybody. But he was most active back in the in the early teens in 20s in the 20th century. And you don't hear much about H.L. Mankan. If you go out and Google, H.L. Mankan quotes, you should read through those because Mankin had, you know, one of the things that he says basically is that the main function of modern politics, I'm paraphrasing here, but you can find the main function of modern politics is to basically

Starting point is 01:08:43 keep the populace afraid of something by inventing a series of hobgoblins to th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th tho-tops tho-tops tho-tops tho-tops tho-tops tho-upi tho-upon tho-upon tho-townit tho-c-c-c-c-town thoan thoes thoes thoes thoes thoes tho tho tho tho tho tho th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th is to basically keep the populace afraid of something by inventing a series of hobgoblins to threaten them, most of which aren't real. Yep, yep. But you always have to keep people afraid of something. You always have to be managing this in some way. 100%. But Manken has observation, I mean, he has interesting observations about historians. And his little comment on historians is that they're all basically fail novelists.

Starting point is 01:09:09 Which I wouldn't say it's precisely through in Mike, but you know, there's a certain, he's on to something. He knows something about them. I think it was also Manken who once said that, you know, there are two things that you know for sure. It is now and we are here. Everything else is moonshine. Everything else you can't be absolutely certain where you are at any particular time. So yeah, Minkin was, I think he was brilliant and I think he was a very astute observer about things. But again, it's like somebody telling you that, you know, there isn't a Santa Claus. It's not what most people want to hear.

Starting point is 01:09:51 So he's been kind of, sort of set aside. It's this kind of, no, he's usually described as a great American and cremugent. But I would say that yes, something you could, you know, you you wouldn't be wasting an hour of your life if you simply went through and read through a list of H.L. Mankin quotes. We'll do that someday. Anyone would be illuminated by that. Well here's why I want, H. I want to go back to the secret, secret intelligence agency, right? Yeah. So, so I've always had this theory that you know the CIA, Massad, MI6, you know, yes, they all are their own separate entity but in reality in my humble opinion they are all of one agency. They're just in, they're just different franchises in different names with different names in different cultures.

Starting point is 01:10:45 So they each have their own name, which makes them specific to that region, but in reality, they're all above the same group. And I don't even know what that, what group, who that group is, that's my question to you. Do you know of any one who might have been in control of the secret intelligence agency? Because I tend to find that very rarely do things just naturally occur. There always seems to be some secret force that gets behind everything. Like when we take a look at like, you know, so many, I wonder how many revolutions would have actually happened or wars or revolutions or riots would happen naturally if there wasn't some invisible hand

Starting point is 01:11:41 with, you know, agent provocateurs involved. Well, thinking for this way, you know, the American Revolution, right? The one who created the state. An interesting question is the American Revolution would probably not have succeeded if the French hadn't decided to put money and militarily intervene.

Starting point is 01:11:59 Remember? Lafayette? The French put a huge amount of money. In fact, that had a consequence in terms of part of the bankruptcy of the French state that led to the French Revolution was their monetary support of the American Revolution. And why did they do that? Was it because the French monarchy loved liberty and all these American ideas? No, they loved the idea of messing with

Starting point is 01:12:26 the British, all right? That's what they were going to because the British was perfidious Albion and now they were going to get back, they were going to get back of those damned English. There's a rebellion in the British colonies, we're down for that. Let's give him some money. Let's keep that rebellion going. Andthat's it i mean uh... the the origins of the united states are based in foreign intervention and foreign money for their own particular interests playing two sides off against each other and uh... and in armed movement that seized power

Starting point is 01:13:00 i got a question that's that's what we are and keep in mind once they seized power i'm talking about the continental congress keep in mind once they seized power, I'm talking about the Continental Congress and Continental Army, once they seized power, they didn't turn around and hold a referendum to see if everybody was down with that. So they just, they just held up, they just, they shot their way into power and they were going to keep it. Yeah, and that's the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the whole the and that's the whole thing about that Joe Rogan video that is going around that they're trying to, you know, dismiss as like, making like, you know, equivalents to the Holocaust

Starting point is 01:13:34 and stuff like that, which is not what he was doing at all. But he said once they get power, they very rarely just give it away. I mean 2001 was 9-11 and we're still dealing with that stuff at the airport. You still got to take your shoes off and the only way not to it... Yeah, you still... Because one guy tried a shoe bomb which didn't work. Yeah. It was a total failure, wasn't feasible, but you still have to take your shoes off because, you know. And the only the only way not take them off is you their. You. You. You. their. their. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the. the. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. t. t. te. te. te. te. te. te. the. the. the. the. their. their. the only way not take them off is you got to give them your eyeballs. Yeah yeah clear but Rick I want to ask you about the the hidden history of that the Russians helped Abraham Lincoln did you ever hear any of that story where well the exam Alexander the second I believe came and sent ships to the US

Starting point is 01:14:25 shores and said if if certain European countries came on the side of the south that the Russia was gonna get involved because they just kicked out the quote-unquote international banking couple out of Russia which is a big part of what led up to kind of some of the stuff we're talking about. Is there any truth to that? There's truth in this sense. Russia, the statement that was often used in the US press after the Civil War was that Russia was our friend when the world was our enemy. So it's no, it's no secret that the British were, for the most part, pro-Confedera.

Starting point is 01:15:06 They would have loved to have seen the United States split apart. That certainly was, I mean, they're still trying to get revenge for what happened before, right? So that would have been good for them. The French also, who were invading Mexico in this period, were favorable towards the Confederacy. So the two strongest European powers, the British the greatest the greatest the greatest the greatest the greatest the greatest the greatest the greatest the greatest the greatest the greatest the greatest the greatest theards the Confederacy. So the two strongest European, Western European powers, the British Empire, the greatest power of the world at that point, and the French were certainly pro-Confederate. They were not friendly towards the Union government in Washington.

Starting point is 01:15:38 Alexander Second and the Russians were primate, basically for two reasons. One, if you go back just, you know, it's one of these things when anything happens historically or otherwise, the thing, always look at what's happened just before and after what's going on around the same time, because there aren't a lot of coincidences. So if you go back to just a few years earlier, in the 1850s, there was a thing called the Crimean War. In the Crimean War, Britain and France were at war with Russia. And it was a war which the Russians lost in the sense that they didn't achieve their goals.

Starting point is 01:16:23 It's one of those wars, it's hard to say anybody won in a sense. But there had been this recent war between the Russian and the sense that they didn't achieve their goals. It's one of those wars is hard to say anybody won in a sense, but there had been this recent war between the Russian Empire and the British and the French. So the Russians aren't happy towards the British and the French. So if the British and the French are favorable towards the Confederacy from the standpoint of St. Petersburg, then we will support whoever they are opposed to. We will stand behind the government in Washington because that seems to be the, because we don't want to see British and French power increase with the collapse of this American Republic. So there was in fact a Russian naval flotilla that I can't remember whether it was during the war or just after the war that you know came as a kind of you know a kind of international greeting

Starting point is 01:17:10 which was well received. Russia was praised in the American press is the only European country that stood behind the Republican in its time of trial. And then the other thing that happened is that the Americans bought Alaska from Russia or so the Russians got the US Congress to put up the money to to to to to the money the money the money the money to the money the money the money the money the money the money the money the money the money the money the money the money the money the money the the the to the the to the the to the the to to to to the to put up to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the the the the thi. the the thi. the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the teeeeeeeeeeea. the thi. the the the their thi. I their thi. I thi is that the Americans bought Alaska from Russia. So the Russians got the U.S. Congress to put up the money to buy Alaska, which sounds like it, which the Russians got more money for it than they thought they were going to get. So there's always this sort of, and the reason why the Russians wanted to sell Alaska to the United States was because of their fear that if they didn't, that, excuse me, that the British would take it.

Starting point is 01:17:54 That they would, because remember Canada is right next door. So the basic decision was that Alaska is indefensible. There's no way we can defend it, it's too far away, and the British will just come in and grab the thing and add it to Canada............... And the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their. And, their.a. And, their.a. And, their.a.a, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their their their their their their.a.a.a.a.a.a. their.a.ensible. There's no way we can defend it. It's too far away. And the British will just come in and grab the thing and add it to Canada. But if we sell it to the Americans, one, we get the $6 million. And in the other hand, we'll... Well, yeah, and that was called Seward Folly at the time. I mean, he was kind of a goat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the early plans for it was to deport all former Confederate fighters to

Starting point is 01:18:25 a giant gulag in Alaska. So that wasn't considered for long, but that was what that's what we can do. We can round up all of these, you know, all of these armed rebels and we'll send them all off to Alaska. Because see, that's what the Russians do with Siberia. So we'll become our Siberia. But that didn't didn't didn't didn't didn't didn't didn't didn't didn't didn't that that didn't that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th is th, th is th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, that's that's that's that's that's thi, that's thi, that's that's that's thi, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the the the the the the the that's that's that's what that's what that's what that's what that's that's what that's that's that's that's th, but I think that the purchase price was 6.2 million and the 200,000 was essentially to bribe members of Congress to vote for it. You know how much? You know how much United States bought Mexico? How much? 18 billion? What do you mean? All of like all of Canada, Arizona, Texas used to be part of Mexico and they sold it for 18 billion? Oh, you mean? Well, you know, that's why? That's why the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the two. two. two. two. two. two. two. two. two. two. two. two. two. to. two. to. to. th. to. th. th. th. th. the. the. th. to be part of Mexico and they sold it for 18 billion. Oh you mean well you know that's why that's why that's why there's a big Mormon

Starting point is 01:19:08 population in Utah because when they moved there it was Mexico. Yeah and you can have wives over there they didn't give a fuck. So I want to get into some stuff where there was some notes you sent but I want to get into the occult in the formation of America. There's a lot of talk about how a lot of our founding fathers were Freemasons and I believe that just like a lot of things and kind of what we're talking about today a lot of these groups get infiltrated and double penetrated, okay? And multiple penetration. Okay, multiple penetration.

Starting point is 01:19:50 That's more than double. Okay, that's a lot. That's a lot. So that kind of steer these groups in other directions. So when you take a look at like the architecture of like Washington, D.C., it has a lot of cult symbolism in it. But I do believe that the Freemasons were corrupted at some point and went into a different direction. What are your thoughts on that? Okay, Freemasonry.

Starting point is 01:20:15 The best way I would describe Freemasonry is that it is a, okay, let me start by saying that I'm not a Freemason. I don't belong to anything. I never, I couldn't even stay in the Boy Scouts because it it th.. It th. It th. It was the th. It was th. It was the th. It was th. It was the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the th. th. the th. th. the the the th. thi. the the themasonsonsons were, the the the the the the the the the the the the free, the free, the free, the free, the free, the free, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. It was, th. It was, th. It was, th. It was, th. I was, th. I was, th. I was, thi. I was, thi. I was, thea. thea. threea. threea. Freema. Freemasons. Freemasonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonsonseea. I was threa. I was th. th. I was let me start by saying that I'm not a Freemason, all right? I don't belong to anything. I've never, I couldn't even stay in the Boy Scouts because it was too hierarchical, all right. But I am intrigued, my interest in secret societies, and can I put in a plug here? Do, yeah, plug away, boy. great courses and all kinds of things. But a course which I did a couple years ago is called the Real History of Secret Societies. And if you go to the Wondry and a website, or if you even go on to YouTube, they have some sample

Starting point is 01:20:54 videos out there. And that's one of the things that I deal with. And I do try in that to simply get the basic, the basic, the basic, to get, to simply, the basic, to simply, to simply, the basic, to simply, the basic, to simply, to simply, the basic, to simply, the basic, to simply, to simply, the basic, to get to get to to to to to to to to the, the, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, to to to to to to to to to to to their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their what the basic facts are and then go on to the different theories about what those facts mean. So the way that I would describe Freemasonry is that it is a house of many rooms which means that it's not one thing. So think of it this way. There's this big ramshackle mansion we call Freemasonry, but inside of it are all sorts of things that are only for the most part tangentially related to each other. So basic things, the origins of Freemasonry are obscure. No one knows it somehow came out of the late Middle Ages.

Starting point is 01:21:38 There was a very popular idea that there somehow linked to the Knights Templars. There's not a scrap of paper anywhere to substantiate that. But somehow, by the 18th century, a lot of Freemasons thought they were connected to the Knights Templars. Could be true. The thing is you just really can't prove it, nor do you have to. That's the same way, you don't have to prove that, the way I think about it, is that there's nobody owns the rights to the name.

Starting point is 01:22:06 There's no Freemasonry Incorporated. There are big branches of it. So in London, for instance, there's a thing called the United Grand Lodge of England and Wales. And they have a very big building in downtown London, and that's British Freemasonry. That's the Freemasonry that built the British Empire, that most of the members of the royal family belonged to from the 18th century, that most of the British establishment was part of, that Rudyard Kipling was a part of this. But that's British Freemasonry and British Freemasonry became a

Starting point is 01:22:43 in the British Empire and an American Freemasonry became a kind in the British Empire and an American Freemasonry is an extension of that because of the whole British thing. It became pretty much a kind of Freemasonry that was more or less middle class and politically fairly conservative. So you could say that British Freemasonry in in the British Empire and in the United States, by extension, Freemasonry became the secret society of the establishment. So for instance, if you were to go back, you know, even today, but certainly in the 19th century, to become an American Freemason required a certain amount of money because there was a lot of regalia you had to buy. And there's a reason for that because adding costs onto membership in an organization keeps out

Starting point is 01:23:29 the riffraff. Yeah. Most people who became Freemasons, not all, but most tended to be well off. And therefore it was a, it was, you know, as a Marxist would put it, Freemasonry became another symbol of the bourgeoisie, which it basically did. But there's another side to Freemasonry, and that's French Grand Orient Freemasonry. So in Paris, another kind of free masonry arose, and it was centered around a big lodge,

Starting point is 01:24:04 a kind of controlling organization called arose, and it was centered around a big lodge, a kind of controlling organization called the Grand Orient, the Great Eastern Lodge. And the Great Eastern Lodge first showed itself historically in its involvement in the French revolution. So did Freemasons create the French Revolution? No, but were there a hell of a lot of them running around in English? Yes. Okay. In the same way that if you look create the french revolution no but where there are a hell of a lot of them running around and if you listen yes okay in the same way that if you look at the american revolution you tend to find that george was a free basin

Starting point is 01:24:33 uh... benjamin franklin is a free basin also a french fring bison this well benjamin franglain's very strange guy very strange guy where you know the tom certainly, you can't find his name on any lodge roles but considering all the glowing view that he had a free masonry and his personal views, it's almost certain that he was. So sometimes you can identify people, sometimes you can't. Because these are private organizations and the membership records are private and people can either advertise this or not.

Starting point is 01:25:07 But French Freemasonry, through its connection, became much more radicalized. And so if you look at Freemasonry in France or in Italy or Spain or even Germany and then into Russia, Russian Freemasonry is an extension of French Freemasonry. Grand Orient Freemasonry tended to be revolutionary and radical in its views. And therefore, this is one of the differences you can find is that English Freemasons tend to be establishment and fairly conservative, not all of them. European continental Freemasons tend to often be connected with what would be considered to be radical or revolutionary causes. So now the two things generally that in any kind of Freemasonry, you know, the standard rules,

Starting point is 01:25:56 remember the rules, how things are supposed to operate. The two things that you're supposed to avoid, you're never supposed to discuss in lodge meetings are politics or religion. Those aren't supposed to be involved. to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the the to be the to be to be the to discuss in lodge meetings are politics or religion. Those aren't supposed to be involved in it. On the other hand, people talk about politics and religion because people will do what people will do. The other thing to keep in mind is that this is what happens in not just a masonic, but any kind of self-selecting, secret society, any kind of lodge organization.

Starting point is 01:26:25 A group of people choose as new members people who are considered to be part of their, they're gonna choose like-minded people. So a lodge is basically full of like-mine. You all have something in common or you wouldn't be there. Right, I agree. And when it's a system in which everyone in the lodge has to agree on the admission of a new member, then you

Starting point is 01:26:50 get a good deal of like-minded people. Now, so that means that whatever their connection with free masonry in its rights and rituals, they probably also share common views and things like politics. So you have a lodge meeting. You go through, you initiate new members, everybody dresses up in their costumes, you do this. Now, on the other hand, when the lodge meeting is over, the same group of people are there. And then you can start to talk about politics.

Starting point is 01:27:21 So the one thing, even though there is supposed to be, by the rules, a kind of wall between Freemasonry and between the Freemasonry specifically and politics, they inevitably combine in most cases because the lodge itself, what it's doing is that it's bringing like-minded people together and it's binding them together in an atmosphere of mutual support and secrecy. Remember what we said about conspiring before? Yes. So if you wanted to create the perfect conditions to plot a revolutionary conspiracy, that's it. So it's not that this has anything to do with what it is that you know Freemasonry believes with this is you know what most masons will tell

Starting point is 01:28:10 you is what Freemasonry about is about brother you know brotherhood and and self-improvement and I think most most things that I know are quite sincere about that you know it's fellowship is also you know fellowship and self-improve it you learn to be a better person and you gain the fellowship of people who are there. There's nothing mysterious or cult or weird or satanic about it. Well, I think that it doesn't have to stay that way. That's the whole thing. Yeah, well, I think that the human nature is that any group, if it's concentrated enough, can get a cult-like feel. Like when you when you start to just have like-minded people sitting together with no

Starting point is 01:28:53 outside point of view, it can get very much like a cult. I mean our last guest own bedroom, he has people out building houses, what do you consider as a good person? People are calling him a cult. Yeah, yeah, I mean it last guest on Bederman, he has people out building houses, what he considers a good person? People are calling him a cult. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's just a joke. I mean, a great example is Hollywood. I think you look at what's going on in Hollywood right now, you have a bunch of people who are like-minded and what eventually happens is it becomes political because they end up talking and talking and what you were talking about earlier where you're not, you're their, you're th, you're not th, you're not th, you're not th, you're not th, you're not th, you're not th, you're not th, you're not th, you're not thi, you're not thi, you're not thi, you're not thi, you're not thi, you're not their, you're not thi, you're not their, you're their, you're their, you're their, you're their, you're their, you're their, you're their, you's, you's, you's their, you's their, you's their, you's their, you're not, you're not their, you're not their, you're not their their their their their their their their their not their not thi, thi, talking and talking and talking.

Starting point is 01:29:25 And what you were talking about earlier where you're not supposed to talk religion or politics now for some reason seems to be the common theme. Not so much religion but more politics and this this herd mentality that goes on in LA that I think has to do with the fact that you need a billion green lights to get a gig and if you get one red light, You don't get the work, so you have to bend over backwards to virtual signal to everybody that you're a ball you're playing ball That you're part of the crew and that's kind of what happens here. Do you just get like-minded people, just all cosigning on each other's stuff? And I think it just inevitably becomes a cult where it's just like group think and conforming to the group think becomes the thing to do.

Starting point is 01:30:19 And I think there's something to that for sure. Yeah, it becomes the other term that gets used is echo chamber. Yeah. Where you only hear one, one, one, one, one, one, the the the the the the co sign, the, the the, the co sign, the the th. th. th. th. th th th th th th co co co co- thi, co- co- co- co- co- thi, thi, all co- thi, thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, just thi, all co- thi, all co- thi, all co- thi, all co- th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. thi, th. th. th. thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi thi. thi. thi thi thoooooooo thi thi thi thi thithere's something to that for sure. Yeah, it becomes the other term that gets used is echo chamber. Yeah. Where you only hear one, one, it's often argued that the internet by creating chat groups and it creates echoed, which it does. You only hear one opinion and it simply reinforces this as people move it around. And I think in a somewhat modified, if you go back to Masonic or other lodges, there are a whole endless variety

Starting point is 01:30:49 of what we call fraternal organizations or secret societies, which were very selected, I mean, the one thing, something else I do in that series, is that I start out by saying, okay, well, how are we gonna defy, what's a secret? Well, it's generally not because it's secret. I mean, it's not like people don't know that free masonry.

Starting point is 01:31:09 I mean, look, Mason's advertised their presence on the outskirts of every town. Yeah. When you drive into a town, there's generally a sign that tells you what organizations are there if there's a sonic. So they're not hiding. So what goes on is the old saying goes is that Freemasonry isn't a secret society, it's a society with secrets. That is, it's particular, its rituals in particular are guarded from those. You have to be initiated. It's an initiatory society. Yeah. So the way that that works is that first of all, you're selective in who you recruit. You just can't come in. You have to have to have to have to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the the to be the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the old. the old. the old. the the old. the the the the the the the the the the the the the old. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the thi. the the the the the the the thi. the way that that works is that first of all you're selective in who you recruit. You just can't come in.

Starting point is 01:31:45 You have no right to be a member of this organization. You must be chosen. You're vetted. Everybody generally has to agree. And then you're sworn to secrecy. So every time you turn around in Masonic rituals or others, you're swearing your life away, literally or figuratively, that the horrible things will happen to me if I ever reveal any of these secrets.

Starting point is 01:32:11 So here's a question I actually had for a Masonic friend of mine. I said, look, I'm not a mason, and if I want to know your rituals, I can go in the inner house and I can figure them out. All right. I mean, they're not that hard. And he goes, yeah, that's true. I mean, they're none of our secrets that you, you know, as a nosy outsider. They have a term for that, by the way, a cowan. A cowan. So a cowan. It's a non-mason who tries to learn the secrets of Freemasonry. Oh one. And it's not meant as a compliment. So, you know, anybody, so, but he goes, that's not really the point of it. And it never was the point.

Starting point is 01:32:51 I mean, there were always people, you know, there were always members who would betray their oaths and tell. So if somebody wanted to figure out the secrets of masonic rituals, they could do so. He he he he he he he he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, that, that, that, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, that's, that, that, that, that, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's is is is that's is that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. that's the. thi. that's thean. that's thi. that's thi. that's thi. that's thi. that, that isn't it. The point is the test of character on the person. You swear your se- you swear your loyalty to the organization, you swear secrecy, and then it's upon you if you break your word. So it's not as if probably that the wrath of heaven is actually going to fall on your head, but you'll simply show that you are a untrustworthy, bad person. And it's a test of your, so you've been told, you must keep these saying secret even though really they're not secret.

Starting point is 01:33:37 But the point is, no one is to learn it from you. I love that. There. And that's the way that this kind of made sense. It was always the sort of test on the character and loyalty of the person he was initiated. And they were told that they had to guard secrets that really weren't secrets, but they weren't going to divulge them. And it's, but it's the thing about I think Freemasoning point it comes up is that yes. It can, it is a system. It is a system. It is a system. It is a system. It is a system. It is a system. It is a system. It is a system. It is a system. the system. It is a system. the system. the system. th. It is a system. th. th. th. It is a system. th. th. th. th. th. th. It is a th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. th. th. th. th. th. th point comes up is that yes, it can, it is a system that can and often has been easily corrupted for political or other purposes. And if you wanted to find a real example of that, there's none better that if you looked at the P2 lodge in Italy in the 1970s and 1980s. And that ring any bells on any where the P2 lodge? No, I don't hear about it, please. Well, the P2 lodge, what, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is, what is the the the P.2 la, the P.2 loge, what the P.2 thuuuuuuuuu thu thu thu thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. It is. It is, theeeeeeeeeeean. It is, that. that. that. that. that. that. that. theeeeeeeeean. And, thean. And, I can can can P2 Lodge? No, I don't hear about it, please.

Starting point is 01:34:26 Okay, well, the P2 Lodge, what P2 stood for was Propaganda Duet, Propaganda 2. Propaganda Lodge number 2. Okay, that ought to tell you something right there. You got a lodge whose name is propaganda, and it's number two, which means was there a number one there must be a number one and and indeed there was but what this went back to is that it went all the way back to Italy when Italy was unified in the 19th century and the whole Italian national movement was dominated by people like Giuseppe Gerabaldi and there were

Starting point is 01:35:02 Freemasons and Freemasonry was used as a means to create this revolutionary nationalist movement. So what it was was that Freemasons like Matsini and Garibaldi felt that they had effectively unified Italy. But they had to unify it under the monar-ary,to do it under the the Sardinian monarchy and the point was is that Italian Freemasons were all Republicans. They were not, now they didn't really like money, but they had to make a deal, they had to make a compromise. And the compromise is that we get a unified Italy, but we get this stupid king. Now because we don't trust the king. Now because we don't trust the king, we're going to have open lodges. You know, there's going to be the kind of public free basingery that the king can see and he'll go along with.

Starting point is 01:35:51 But then we have to create secret lodges. Because you see, really, in the long term, we want to undermine and overthrow this monarchy. And to do that, we have to have secret lodges. So the original propaganda uno lodge was one of these secret lodges that technically didn't exist and which didn't actually support the existing government. They was carrying on continual political propaganda and agitation. And then propaganda duet appeared after World War II, you know, with the fall of fascism. Mussolini had suppressed Freemasonry in Italy, so all Freemasons were tended to be anti-fascists.

Starting point is 01:36:33 Well, not all, but most. So it comes back. But propaganda duet first was closely, because somehow then became closely linked with a kind of neo-fascist movement that wanted to overthrow the Italian government, but then it began recruiting members until eventually this lodge had like eight or nine hundred people in it. And among its members, among the members of this one so-called

Starting point is 01:37:01 secret or black lodge, this kind of hidden lodge, were the heads of all the members of this one so-called secret or black lodge, this kind of hidden lodge, were the heads of all the Italian intelligence services, the heads of all the military services, about 100 members of parliament, media figures like, ever heard of a guy named Silvio Berlusconi? No we haven't. He was a member. Okay. This was a guy who would then later go. After the lodge was exposed, Berlusconi still went on to become, you the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to be, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, to be to be the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, thi, this was the guy who would then later go, after the lodge was exposed, Berlusconi still went on to become, you know, Prime Minister five different times in Italy.

Starting point is 01:37:30 But the whole thing was entirely corrupt. It was a secret government. It was a secret government and it would be, let's put it this way, P2 had most of the powerful people in Italy. Business figures, military figures, intelligence figures, all sort of operating. It had ties to both the Socialist Party and the neo-fascists. It even had ties to the Communist Party.

Starting point is 01:37:58 It had tentacles in all of the different political parties, but it wasn't a political party. And it also had connections to the CIA. Why not? The CIA is not going to ignore this. And so what you had was this secret government. And it was also connected to the Vatican. And the whole thing began to unravel when this particular Italian banker, by the name of Roberto Calvi was involved, this big

Starting point is 01:38:26 bank in Italy failed, the Banco Ambrosiano, one of the biggest banks in Italy, and also very closely tied to the Vatican Bank, and also closely tied to the mafia. And Roberto Calvi had fled Italy to avoid criminal charges and he went to London, and then he was found hanged under Black Friars Bridge with bricks in his pocket. Oh my God. And the significance of that is that generally it's a kind of Masonic assassination, okay the bricks in his pocket the whole, you know, and so it was initially thought it was a suicide. Eventually they figured out there's no way that you know people could commit suicide that way so he was initially thought it was a suicide. Eventually they figured out there's no way that, you know,

Starting point is 01:39:05 people could commit suicide that way. So he was murdered. I think that's still unsolved. But the investigate, the whole Benco Ambrosiano thing, then opened up more and more and more. And that's what eventually exposed the presence of P2, that all of these people were members of this one weird, you know, one strange Masonic Lodge. And that then set up a whole series of criminal trials that, you know, resulted in criminal convictions and then acquittals, and then more

Starting point is 01:39:36 criminal convictions and more acquittals. None of the principals ever seemed to spend any real time in jail or they suddenly were poisoned in jail. There's a whole series of murders connected to it. Oh my God. And it's and so P2 was was then exposed and what this led to by the end of the 1980s was pretty much the collapse of the whole Italian political system. I mean parties collapsed and because everything was seen as being corrupted. By the way, nothing really changed after that. It continued to be corrupted, but it was this exposure and this huge scandal that swept the whole country. But behind this was

Starting point is 01:40:17 this secret, this unaffigued, this Masonic Lodge that even the official Masonic Lodge pretended that it didn't recognize even though that it did and and there were there were ties between the P2 lodge and other lodges in Spain with Juan Perone and his return to power in in Argentina. You know for a while when the head of P2 had to flee, he fled off to Argentina, and then he initiated Juan Perron into this lodge. So it's a story of which we still only know parts of. But that gives you an idea of the sort of secret side of history.

Starting point is 01:41:01 Remember this, this, the P2 P2 lodge wasn't any it wasn't political it wasn't it was really just about power it was a way to exercise power through all of the different you know people who were voting for different political parties that they thought were opposed to each other and what you don't realize is that they all belong to the same Masonic Lodge. Yes there's that's exactly what's happened in this country right and left D's and ours. they. all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all. all. all. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. All. the. their. their. their. their. their. their. It. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It. It. It's. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It's. the. It's. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. It's. the. the all belong to the same Masonic watch. Yes, that's exactly what's happened in this country, right and left, D's and R's. All are dancing to the same dance. So you're bringing up Freemasons, assassinations, and you brought him up earlier, can you tell us a little bit about James Shelby Downard? James shall, okay, if you go into another thing which I have probably

Starting point is 01:41:46 too much curiosity about, there's a guy by the name of James Shelby Downard who let's say it's usually ranked as a kind of obscure American conspiracy theorist from the middle of the 20th century, so Downard, downer was born around, I think he's born in like 1912, 1913, died in the 1990s, had a fairly long life, didn't really become very active on the so-called conspiracy scene or the conspirosphere, until really the 1970s and 80s, and it was one of these things that, you know, his writings would sort of initially be apparently mimeographed and then circulated around and there were tapes of him giving talks in different subjects. Downard is difficult to

Starting point is 01:42:33 describe. I'm pretty sure that Downard was insane. No, by that I mean he was, well, he's definitely paranoid. That isn't necessarily mean he's the same, but he had a very strange view of the world. And there's a, if anybody wanted an introduction to it, there's a book by Adam Go Rightley called, James Shelby Downards Mystical War. It's a very short book and Adam Go Rightly, and I contribute to this is going to come out

Starting point is 01:43:09 with an expanded version of that pretty soon. I hope that's one of the things that's coming. That sort of gives you an introduction to it. And then also, Farrell House, publisher, some years back, published Downards autobiographyography or at least part of his autobiography and it sort of just describes the experiences in his childhood and up through early adulthood and it is called the Carnivals of Life and Death. That is one of the few books I've ever read, I read quite a few of them but there's one of the few books I've ever read, I've read quite a few of them, but there's

Starting point is 01:43:47 one of the few books I've ever read that while reading it, I would get so frustrated and disgusted by what I was reading, I would literally throw it against the wall. I would go, you know, I don't know how you expect me to believe this crap and I would throw it. Because it was. It just told the story that seemed to be completely unbelievable. And there's no way I can do it just as here, except that try to imagine a childhood growing up in, you know, 1920s, Texas and Oklahoma, where he grew up places like Dallas and, you know,

Starting point is 01:44:20 Ardmore, Oklahoma. And, uh, and you're growing up in a world in which your parents are apparently some aspiring to kill you, but but not not you but conspiring to to have you murdered in elaborate ways by you know sort of like weird Ku Klux Klan Masonic neighbors and some kind of ritual sacrifice. That again now you're gonna say that doesn't make any sense. Well it really doesn't, but it's, it's, it's-it, but it's, it's, it's, but it, but it, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the apparently apparently, apparently, apparently, apparently, apparently, apparently, the the the the the the they, apparently, apparently, they, apparently, apparently, apparently, they, apparently, apparently, apparently, apparently, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the the. the the. the the. the the. the the. I's, apparently apparently, the the. It's, the the. It's, the the. the the. they. they. they. they. they. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the, you're going to say that doesn't make any sense. Well, it really doesn't, but it's, it's this sort of nightmarish description of, of a child sort of growing up with all of these sort of currents of very strange conspiracy and adult actions going on around you and it creates

Starting point is 01:45:08 this you know downers world is a world of almost of total paranoia okay everything and everyone is out to get you in some way that there's always sort of ulterior motives just to whatever is going on and much of what he describes is just seemingly unbelievable. And really, I can't think even practically that most of that ever happened, but the point is where does this idea get into somebody's head? But the other thing about it is that amongst all of this madness, he's talking about real places and real people.

Starting point is 01:45:47 So for a long time, there was a debate in certain circles as to whether or not James Shelby doubted was a real person. And an opinion was divided on that. Some would argue that he was a literary invention of Adam Parfrey, or, you know, the group of people got together and decided we're going to create this goofy character and we'll all come up with different weird things for him to do. People do that. So that he never actually existed.

Starting point is 01:46:10 So one of the things that I started out, you can find that various places on the web. It's an article I wrote, which continues to expand as I find more, called, Searching for James Shall be doubted, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he that he, so that he, so that he, so that that that that that that that that th, th, th, th, th, th......... th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. the is the is the an the an thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. has another title you can find it under a sense of thing called in the limbo of lost memories because that's what Doubted would often talk about. He was he was trying to recover memories of things that had happened to him. But what I determined to that is he was a real guy he absolutely was real and and if you go through his autobiography and you look at the people he met and when they meet them the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their lost. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their their they their they their. their they was. is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is. is is. is is. is. is. is. their their their their their their their they. they. they. they. they. they. I they. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I'm. I'm. It's. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. their their. I was. It's. I was. I was. It's is. It's is. autobiography and you look at the people he met and when they meet them, they're all real.

Starting point is 01:46:48 So on one level he's talking about real people and real events in real places, but he's casting them in very, very strange, he's adding his own sort of strange experiences to this. So it's not just this sort of tale told by a madman that makes no sense. It actually has this real structure to it, but it's this sort of down, the best I can come to is to sort of, if you were going to make a movie out of this, the only person who could do it justice is David Lynch. All right, so if you have, if you ever gonna know what David, David, you know,

Starting point is 01:47:30 Twin Peaks, Mulholl, and okay, this is like, if you've ever seen Mulholland Drive, yeah, tell me what that's about. Yeah, yeah, what in that movie is, I mean, that's a the movie, I, I, I, I, I, I, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, the, the, the, the, the......... Yeah, the.. Yeah, the. Yeah, the. Yeah, the. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, that, that, th. that, th. that's, th. today, today, today, today, today, today, today, that's. that's. that's. that. that. that. today, that movie is, I mean you're watching it and you know that something's going on, right? There are these care, but you can never. I've watched that movie probably at least seven or eight times. Yeah, me too. And you can come to different interpretations, but on the one level what you're seeing makes sense and yet overall it just seems. There's some way that you can't connect all of these things together somehow. Well, that's what's, th, th, that's, that's, th, that's, that's, that's what, thnu, that's what, thnu, that's what, thnu can, that's what's what thi, thi, thi, thin, but thn't thn't the the thin, thi, but, but their their thin, but thi can never never thi can never never never never, but thi, but thi, but, but, but, but, but, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thin, the thin, their their their their their their their their their thin. the the thin. than. thin, than. th all of these things together somehow. Well that's what Downard's whole sort of conspiratorial paranoid view things. It's the war it's it's a lynchian universe. Okay you have to imagine an entire universe which has been created by David Lynch and and this and this is how Downer's situation so it's it's like the rantings of a madman, but then at some

Starting point is 01:48:29 point you realize that he's not mad, and he actually will sometimes reference things that seem to be, you'll go, well you know, that sounds vaguely familiar, or that's not quite as crazy as it seems. So what it actually, as far as you can, I can construct his life in a sense, beyond what he says, is that at some point as an adult, Downard came to believe that his previous memories had been erased, that he had been subjected to some kind of either torture or procedure, he makes these vague references to being held

Starting point is 01:49:13 in some sort of hospital or facility out in the desert and some god-forsaken wilds of Nevada or something, and that his memories were erased and replaced with other ones. Within what would happen was that his original memory was that his memories were erased and replaced with other ones. But then what would happen was that his original memories would begin to bleed through. So in his writing, in something like his autobiography, what he has here is this kind of combination, is his attempt to recover what he thinks those original memories were. But even he isn't sure whether this is actually what happened or this is how his real memories have now been combined, you know, those and the false memories have combined together.

Starting point is 01:50:01 But in many ways, I kind of look at it. It's a man who was who was trying to recover his own sanity, who had had some kind of catastrophic, some sort of traumatic mental breakdown, and for a couple of decades he just disappeared. You can't find anything about him. He basically vanishes around 1945 and then he crops up again living in a trailer somewhere in Arizona in 1965. And for what he's, I mean I suspect he was institutionalized for a while but there's no details on that available but it's this this tale of, there's also this kind of MK ultra Paul over this. It's one of the things if you want to begin to to the things if you want to begin to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to the things things things things things things things things things things the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things they things to tale of, there's also this kind of MK Ultra Paul over this. It's one of the things if you want to begin to read things into it, you can argue that

Starting point is 01:50:51 he was somehow part of some sort of experiment, some kind of mental experiment with memory, or he was used to do something and his memories were erased. So there's this whole mystery around the man. There's a mystery about what he became most famous for. And if somebody was gonna look at it, is a document that originally, which is circulated, you can now find it in number of places, called King Kill 33.

Starting point is 01:51:19 King Kill 33 was Downards sort of lynchian take on the JFK assassination. So yes, now we've gone to the JFK assassination. That's involved Bigfoot. His whole view of this was that the JFK assassination was an elaborately orchestrated ritual sacrifice. There's talk about that for sure. And well if you find talking, most of that probably goes back to Downard. I'm not, you know, there are others, but you know, this was a this was a ritual sacrifice and and so downed was very much into this thing he called mystical toponomy, which meant

Starting point is 01:52:01 the the mystical or ault significance of place names. So if you go through King Kill 33 he will explain to you why Deeley Plaza is particularly significant for this and it's significant because of its proximity to the 33rd degree of latitude, it's prox, you know, the Kennedy name has mystical associations and that all of this in his view is also connected to this kind of of underground form of of Freemasonry which I don't again don't think has any connection to sort of normal everyday Freemasonry but I mean I put it this way my I'm not a Freemason but on one side

Starting point is 01:52:46 of my family a lot of people were and I don't think they would do anything weird. Well I don't have been things else they weren't they weren't do anything particularly weird but it would be hard to put them into into this kind of view but again it's a house of many rooms. It's a label under which a lot of things can operate. And it's, so he's always talking about mystical Freemasons and, you know, sex rights and a lot of it seems to revolve around his wife, this woman that he, and who then he believed became this kind of, you know, sort of high priestess in various, you know, bizarre, occult, sexual rights.

Starting point is 01:53:38 And it's, it's one of those things that,'s kind of fascinating because again, well, much of it just seems to be one guy's mental problems, not put on paper, they're fit into a real world. And it comes back to this, you know, question again, is that like how much of this could be true? Because I'll guarantee you this could be true because I'll guarantee you this if James Shelby Downard wasn't bat shit crazy if what he's talking about was mostly true then we live in a much stranger weirder more dangerous world than you could ever imagine. I don't think any of us really want to do that, do we? Well, I think that's a big part of why a lot of people don't like to talk conspiracies,

Starting point is 01:54:33 don't like conspiracy theorist, because it exposes them to a world that they're afraid of. A lot of people bring kids into the world and they don't want to think they live in this chaotic world People got pregnant during COVID. What's wrong with you? Yeah Yeah, well I had them before thank God right before the point the point is this is that You know, there's always a little truth in everything to what extent I don't know and sometimes? I think and I'm not saying about this gentleman, but sometimes there are people who are pushed forward that say crazy stuff to make the truth community look nuts. But when you break down what they're actually saying, because at the time that everybody becomes exposed to them, they look crazy.

Starting point is 01:55:21 But as time goes by, you go, oh, he's right about a lot. I'd say that about Alex Jones. I was about to say, the people people people that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that people people that that that that that that that thi that that that that that that that that that that that's people people that's people that's people that's people that's people that's people that's people that's people that's people that's people that's people that's people that's people that's people that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th. I thi thi thi thi thi that that, that, that, that, that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's that that that's crazy, but as time goes by, you go, oh, he's right about a lot. I'd say that about Alex Jones. I'm about to say Alex Jones is like the same guy. Right, but, so my question as we wrap it up here, because I appreciate you spending time with me, my question to you is this. How much of his writings as we look back on it seem to have become true to them? Well I think there's... He makes references, and I'm looking forward, he makes references in his autobiography to this, to again another kind of obscure figure by the name of Arthur

Starting point is 01:56:01 Manby who was this very, who was an Englishman who came over to the United States around the turn of the 20th century and moved to Taos, New Mexico and became a sort of terror of the place for the next 20 years, trying to accumulate ownership of all of these land grants, and formed his own secret society, his own sort of murder group. I mean, Manby was on the one hand, this sort of of occult adept combined with a criminal, it was also a Freemason by the way, but I think that's, you know, it's only a minor aspect of Manby. And the thing is, is you could find, there are very few mentions of Manby anywhere. And yet he shows up as someone who is a kid. He was,, he is like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, this, was like, was like, was like, was like, was like, was like, was like, was like, this, was like, was like, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th is you could find, there are very few mentions of Manbee anywhere.

Starting point is 01:56:45 And yet he shows up as someone who is a kid. He recurs, like his, you know, Downard mentions his mother going off and holding court with Manby. And then there are references to Manby's activities in Mexico and his shenanigans with these counterfeit bills called a million dollar goals certificates. Yes, it's actually certificates like a million dollars in goal which aren't supposed, which kind of exist but then don't exist. I mean they were never supposed to be in circulation. But those are the type, the other thing that that he'll mention is the

Starting point is 01:57:22 millioners club on Jekyll Island, which was this very private club on an island off the coast of Georgia, where all the big shots on American Wall Street in the early 20th century had private houses. I mean, this, this was with the most exclusive club in America, which again was not generally known, but somehow, this Dowered guy knows about that and he knows about, he knows about man-me. And I think the main thing that sort of goes ahead with this is that is that what downered, if he's warning about anything, other than again being this kind of litany of insanity. But if there's any kind of warning to be taken out, it's his constant thing

Starting point is 01:58:04 about that there are people who are mentally manipulating. He argues that his mind, you know, what he's basically describing is this kind of psychic rape, this kind of mental manipulation, that someone messed with his mind. And the implicit warning of what he's saying is that there is people, all of us having our minds messed with and it can distort our whole view of reality. Yeah, yeah. And while I think that while you can dismiss that as simply paranoid delusion, what you have to compare that with is that if you look around you, if you're reasonably aware and you look at the world around you and you look at your own experiences and you look at other people, can you really say that that doesn't happen? It does in some degree. You know, it's like influencers. You know, this is this whole thing and

Starting point is 01:58:58 the people that are using this term of of the, of the whole internet as a mechanism for one for gathering huge amounts of information which let's face it is really what Facebook and the rest of the they want to know what you're interested in and the thing to keep in mind is everything you click on every YouTube video you click on every link you click on is revealing a psychological profile. And eventually those things can be used to map out your mind. And that's the kind of data, that's the type of thing that could be collected. And then the question to ask yourself, without being too paranoid about it, is what the hell

Starting point is 01:59:40 are they going to do with that? Are they just going to try to sell you things? Or are they going to find out other ways to manipulate you? And that's the only, you know, the only thing I kind of see if, if, and there's a big if, if, if, if, if, if, if there is a cautionary element or tale anywhere in the Downeard saga, it's is it's is i it's is in it's is in it's, it's, it's, it's. is in. is in. It's, it's, it's is in. It's, it's, it's, it's is in. It's, it's i. It's in. It's in. It's in. It's in. It's in. It's in. It's in. It's in. It's in. It's in the the their their. their. And it's in. And it's in. And it's in. And it. And it. And it. And it. And it. And it. And it. And it. And it. And it. And it's, i. And it's, in. And it's. And, in. And, in. their. And, in. their. their. their, in. their, in. their, in. their, in. their, in. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their the it's in this idea of mass psychological manipulation. And I think that now, particularly with the advent of the digital age, the means to do that has achieved almost alchemical proportions. I completely agree with all that. You know, it's like, that's scary. There is no, there is it's like there is no there is no there is no

Starting point is 02:00:26 reality there's perception and we are allowing the internet and outside influences to affect our perception and and change the the prism in which we see everything and I think that is both scary and if you harness it correctly beautiful I mean like you harness it correctly, beautiful. I mean, like, you know, it's like, you know, the, the power of positive thinking, you know, you know, it's like empower, you know, it's like abundance and all those things when you practice these things, you know, things start changing for your life. So I think it could be used for both good and evil. Manifest it. He has a bunch of wonderful books. I hope you guys check it out. I will include the links to all of his books. If there is a website you would prefer,

Starting point is 02:01:18 Rick, please let me know but he's got a secret agent 666 six Alster Crowley British intelligence cult the real history secret societies Wall Street the revolution Russian Revolution that I'm gonna get that book trust no one the secret society Sid Riley Crimes of the century selective history of infamy and Alster Crowley agent double six six all those books are right down my alley and I hope that the swarm buys a bunch of them. Final thought sir? Well, it's been, we've been talking about a lot of, I mean, it's, there's always more, this is what keeps me interested in mysteries, is that there's always more to learn. Okay, never assume you know everything. Trust no one. It's, this is, it's, it's, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's, it's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's, it's a. It's, it's, it's a. It's, it's a. It's a. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a. It's, it's a. It's a. It's a. It's, it's a. It's a. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, the. It's, the. It's, the. It's, the. the. the. the. It's, the. It's, the. It's, the there's always more to learn. Okay, never assume you know everything. Trust no one. It's, I mean, I think of nothing else, we're kind of living in an atmosphere right now where you, and I think in some cases, you have to question your sanity on a daily basis,

Starting point is 02:02:18 because you're being told one thing, and you observe something else. That's the way I feel. I'm being tololldldldldldldldldldldldldldldldldldldldldldldldldldld thold thold thoeeea thoea thoea thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, observe something else. That's the way I feel. I mean, I'm being told that all of these terrible things are happening and I look around me and I don't see this. That doesn't seem, it doesn't see, you know, the way I'm told things are isn't the way that I actually see them. I don't see Santa Claus. All right? I don't see what that's there. And I don't see it. I don't, I that I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't see what that I don't see what that I don't see what that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thr-a. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I th it's, uh, you gotta trust in your own perceptions. Okay? And if you don't see it, the reason is, it's almost certainly not there.

Starting point is 02:02:53 Or you're not looking hard enough. I totally agree with that. I 100% agree with that. And, you know, we've been having a lot of great episodes. This is obviously one of them as well. And, you know, they talk a lot about you know the The powers that be want to change the laws Of God and nature and that's kind of the what the original sin was is that you know Man thinks he could change the rules and change the laws and you know a lot of these secret societies are trying to do that. They got dark arts A cult, history and beliefs and they think they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna the the their their their their their their their their their their their their the powers the powers the powers their the powers the powers the powers the powers the powers the powers the powers the powers the powers the powers the powers the powers the powers the powers the powers the powers the powers the the the powers the powers the powers the the powers the powers the the powers the powers the powers the the the powers the the powers their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. the. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. the powers the powers the powers the powers the are trying to do that. They got dark hearts, a cult history and beliefs.

Starting point is 02:03:28 And they think they're gonna, they can flip a lot of stuff and we see it happening in real time and pop culture. But you know, I find when I get off the internet, I get off social media, I don't interact, all that stuff kind of a beautiful place. And that's kind of goes away and we do live in a beautiful place and that's kind of what we got to look at. Rick one more time, where can they find you? Well I, the best place to look for my works, particularly the crimes of the century and

Starting point is 02:03:56 secret societies is on the Wondrium website, W-O-N-D-R-I-U-M. It used to be called Great Courses. Still is. The One-Dream is the place you can find by... I'm also working now, one of the things that I'm writing on, for them it will be a 24-episode Secrets of the Occult. So I continue my unhealthy interest. And hopefully that will be out sometime, sometime next year. And what is the... how do you spell the website? Wondrium, W-O-N-D-R-I-U-M.

Starting point is 02:04:31 Wonderium. All right, Wondrium. All right, I'll make sure that, please, you have our email, please, you have our email us any links you want us to include in the description. I appreciate you coming on. It was my to you to you to you to you to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the the to in the description. I appreciate you coming on. It was a great conversation. It was my pleasure. We're talking to you.

Starting point is 02:04:47 And we'd love to have you back whenever you're ready to deal with us again. So thank you very much. We appreciate you, Rick, you came, you saw you kicked a whole lot of that butt. I appreciate your time with us in Miami. Take care everybody. Thanks for joining us again and I love you Swarm. Have a great week. We go deep home boy. Aaron, open your mind. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere.

Starting point is 02:05:19 That's some interdimensional mind. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. You just move my mind.

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