Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #547: Dogman and Interdimensional Beings with Tony Merkel

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Starting point is 00:02:01 okay all right see yeah now we're all getting fine print. No, of course. I mean, if I'm in town, I'm in El Paso, April 8th, I'm in El Paso at a rodeo center. Then April 9th, we are in Corporate Christie at a fucking Nuance Brewery. That's April 8th, April 9th, and then keep going down. Then we then we we we we then we then we then we then we then we th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the th, th, th, the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, I, th, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. the, the, the, thea, thea, thoooooooooooooooooooooooooo, the, thea, thoooo, th, th, th. going down. Then we take a week off, then on the 20 seconds, I'm in Fredericksburg, Virginia, and then the next day on the 23rd, I'm in Baltimore.

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Starting point is 00:04:15 there. Dude, Tony Merkel comes and drops a hammer out of the God. We talk a little bit of Dog Boy, we talk about a little bit of Dog Boy. Excuse me, talk a little bit of dog man, a little bit of interdimensional entities. Enjoy the show. We go deep home boy. Open your mind. Drink from this next gentleman back. He's building his own empire. Look at this website, crushing it, dude. He's one of the best dudes in the biz.

Starting point is 00:04:58 I love him very much. I always enjoy our conversations and I'm glad to have him back on the show. He's got an awesome podcast called The Confessionals. And he's got a new movie, a new doc coming out called Dogman Documentary Expedition Dogman. Please welcome to the show Tony Merkel. How are you brother? I'm good man. Thanks for having me on again. You look great bro. You look great. You've been working out. You've been fasting. What have you been doing? It's what COVID does to you man. So I got, oh you got that age. Yeah, yeah, I got the, in January this year, I thought I could, you know, escape the whole COVID nonsense, but I got it and I lost like 15 pounds in a week and then after I came out of it, I didn't

Starting point is 00:05:47 like the taste of meat and now I'm good with the taste of meat but I have zero desire to eat it. Like I just want vegetables all the time. So I just been turned vegetarian. Thanks a lot Bill Gates. Wow. Wow. Dude, that's like that guy got hit on the head and then came out gay. I thought he sued him. Oh my god, I hit my head.

Starting point is 00:06:05 Why don't I suck all these things? I thought he sued like a pharma company or something. Wasn't it? He started taking some medicine that made him gay? No, no, no, he fell. No, no, he fell. No. He's right. the fellow like when to a coma came out he's like I just got to eat all everything makes you gay apparently yeah yeah yeah when you're gay everything

Starting point is 00:06:28 makes you gay like being a Republican congressman just makes you gay it's amazing you think there's a guy who was like did I got coven I'm to start blowing everybody yeah yeah I mean we talked about on our other show about how like there's everyone's worried about COVID but these trans hookers down the street are all walking with masks on as they're about to get in like cars with strangers like how funny is that like what is the sign I know your trans hookers and science doesn't come into play in a lot of stuff but tell me this tell me the science you have about wearing a mask as you get in a stranger's car.

Starting point is 00:07:06 Anyways, Tony, I'm just, you don't want to talk about that. I could, but... Tony, so let's get into this, man. First of all, for those who may not be familiar with you from your awesome award-winning appearances on this show, just so you know you got a ton of votes for the for the Mount Everest of this show so no way yeah you got some votes for short you got a ton of them so very excited so real quick talk to me about talk to me about the confessional podcast for those who may not be familiar with it. Yeah I started

Starting point is 00:07:41 that five years ago that's my my money maker now I started I was driving truck and I decided that I wanted I that I that I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the to to to to to to to to to to tell. to tell. tell. to tel tel. tel. tel. tel. tel. tel. tel. tel. tel. tell. tell. tell. tell. tell. tell. tell. tell. tell. tell. tell. tell. tell. to. tell. to the to five years ago. That's my my moneymaker now. I started, I was driving truck and I decided that I wanted to talk to people who had paranormal experiences and I was already kind of in touch with the community online and stuff. And so I started the podcast of confessionals where the idea was people coming forward and confessing what they had. I don't know. I thought of it while I was driving truck and it sounded like a great the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. I was th. I was th. I was driving th. I was driving. I was driving. I was driving. I was driving. I was driving. I was driving. I was driving. I was driving. I was the the the the the tri tr-a. I was driving truc. I was driving truc. I was driving trucking trucking trucking. I was driving. I was driving. I was driving. I was driving. I was driving. I was driving trud. I was driving. I was driving trud. I was driving tr tr. I was driving. I was driving. I was driving. I was driving. I was driving. I was driving. I was driving. I was the the the the the the tr. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I thought of it while I was driving truck and it sounded like a great idea and I ran with it and recently me and my wife were having discussions she's like, yeah, I don't think the name of the show is the best name. I'm just like, well, it's what it is at this point. But I totally disagree. Not to cause any fucking phenomenal. I think it's great.

Starting point is 00:08:26 That's what I thought. That's what I thought. I mean I was I was working like a 14-hour shift and it just made sense then. So I ran with it and you know we've been doing it for five years now. People contact us with anything about you know the paranormal to big foot dog man, UFOs, abductions, you name it. If it's if it's out there with that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind that kind th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the th the that the that the the th. thi the their the their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. t. t. t. t. today. today. t. today. t. today. t. today. today. th. there with that kind of paranormal angle to it, we talk to them about it and let them just share their experiences on the show and people really seem to like it. Well I love the, I love the whole thing man. I just think of like how many people's life and realities that they live in and like how blessed you are to have created this niche, you know, and this

Starting point is 00:09:05 thing you have and like your life is hearing cool-ass crazy weird stories. Like what a blessing that is right? I mean it's such a blessing to be able to be like yeah anyways man I got I'm molested by a big foot and you like you just hear this guy's story and so let's be honest like if you had to do a number of like what percentage of the people th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that I I I I that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that I that that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I'm th. I th. I'm like that I'm like that I'm like that that that th. like th. like th. like th. like th. I'm like th. I'm like th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I I I I th. I I I I I I I I th. I I I I I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the th. I the th. I th. I'm th. I'm like th. I'm like th. I'm like th. I'm like th. I'm like th. thi th. thi. th. th. th. thi. th. I'm like like the the the and so let's be honest like if you had to do a number of like what percentage of the people that you've talked to do you believe their story? If I put it on the show I believe them. I believe that they had an experience and I think that people come into these experiences with their own world views and those world views will define how they explain the experience they just went through and so I may not necessarily agree with people on how they view the experiences like especially when it comes to like like a more demonic kind of thing I mean when I'm

Starting point is 00:09:56 like sometimes I'll have witches on the show or Satanists like they will they have a very different perspective than I do going into these situations and so I they thi tho- like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like the the the the the the the the the the the the they. their. their. their. their. their. their their. their. their their their. their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. I'm. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. I'm their. I'm their. I. I. I the. I the. I'm the. I the. I the. I'm their. I'm. I'm. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. I their. their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. very different perspective than I do going into these situations. And so I may not agree exactly on how they view the situation, but if I walk away saying, yeah, I believe that that person actually experienced something, I put up on the show because over the years I've learned that if there's so many times that I'll put something out on the show and it's just a little piece of the information and somebody will email and say I've the the the thi....... the the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th.. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they'll they'll they'll they're they're they're, they're, they're they're they're they're they're they'll they. they. their, their, their the talk about that before that happened me when I was a kid. And it was just like a blowover thing in the interview where we didn't really focus on it. And so I think that there's a lot of puzzle pieces

Starting point is 00:10:33 that are being presented to the audience and people are kind of connecting dots and stuff. And over the years, just the, like I have a folder, I mean, anybody who's doing content, you know that. She's got a folder. Well, yeah, I do because here's the thing. So anybody who's doing content, you know, you get the hate mail and all that stuff. And you know, it's just me and my wife doing the whole operation. And so, sometimes it kind of gets to your psyche. So I have a special folder for all the nice positive things that I'm doing.

Starting point is 00:11:03 doing in the world with my show, and I saved those emails. And so I have a growing folder of just people saying, thank you for doing the show. And that really makes it well worth it for me. Recently, last year, late last year, I had had a cancel an interview and a couple times. And we finally did this interview. And I sat down to talk to this guy. And it was like, it was supposed to be just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just a just a just a just it was supposed to be just a short interview I mean he had one story

Starting point is 00:11:26 just you know your typical you know demon coming at you in the middle of the night nothing special and he said to me before we started the interview though you know I'm thinking it's going to be about 20 minute interview and it's just something short and he said I have more things to you about but I didn't want to put it in the email because I thought you wouldn't get back to me then. It's really crazy stuff. And I'm like, okay, what are we talking about here? And he lays it on me on me? And I was like, bro, you buried the lead. You got to talk to me about this stuff. And so he comes to my show and tellows. And the most the most the most the most most most most most most most most the most most most the most. And the most. And the most. And the most. the most. the most. the most. the most. to the most. the most. told. told. told. told. told. told. to me. the most. to me. to me. hea. hea. hea. hea. hea. hea. hea. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he. And he's. And he's. And he's. And he's. And he's. And he's. to. to. to. to. to. the the to. the the the can actually prove from his vantage point that this stuff happened to him and I've been able to verify his story through other people that he doesn't even know and they they don't know him it's just this big big story and it's talking

Starting point is 00:12:19 about puzzle pieces with the paranormal stuff I feel like this story it like connects so many pieces of the puzzle and so I'm actually going to be starting when I'm moving to Tennessee here in a few weeks when I get down there this is my next project I'm actually starting a whole new podcast just for this story alone because I think it's gonna be it's huge it's they it covers so much stuff you can give us a little piece of it tiny oh yeah You can't give us a little piece of it, tiny? Oh yeah I can for sure. Hey guys I want to tell you about our friends at Blenders Eyewear. That's right. Fresh from San Diego, California comes the only sunglasses brand that I love. I just love these I wear, but look at these dude, look at these cool-ass pictures, okay? I'm talking about blenders I wear and you're gonna be just as hooked when you see how awesome

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Starting point is 00:15:24 But you're an American success story. I talk about it on so many of my podcast, but you're an American success story. And there's so many people that hate that you are living your dreams. So you're always going to get somebody to say negative shit to you. Because there's a lot of people that don't have the fucking balls that you have to just go for it. And you know, I've been blessed to know you for a couple years now and you've talked to me kind of about like the road do you want to go down and you know and I was I mean I always like was very

Starting point is 00:15:54 like and I always you don't want you to do it man you know and obviously I have no impact on what you do you do you your own guy but, I'm super fucking happy for you and you deserve it man. You are what everybody, you are working a job and I think you were happy doing your job, like you wanted to do more and you fucking went for it. And there's so many people that are on the sidelines or just got off on the first exit on the highway and they're fucking miserable miserable and they don't fucking have the balls to go for it and and they just like they're because right now I look at your website I look at you and and yourself I'm like it's so fucking good right so good and like I know there's people are

Starting point is 00:16:38 gonna be doing that like I can't look where he's doing I can't do it's well you're you're looking at Tony five years into this journey like it takes. th th th th th th takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes takes tak tak tak takes the the tak the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to ta ta to ta ta ta ta ta tooks tooks tooks tooks ta' to' to' to' to' to' to' to to to to at Tony five years into this journey like it takes time everything takes time it's nothing if it was worth it everyone we doing it like you go on only fans and like I even like only fans good god bless you but there's so many people complain they can't make money because everybody's just plunger fucking themselves on that show right I mean I mean like I hate to be crude but yeah and it's just no no the ones that are making money are actually doing more than just showing their huts like yeah they're just more than you're

Starting point is 00:17:12 hustling yeah they're doing it and it's just like you know when you can't the fuck what what somebody thinks you do which makes you happy if you're not hurting people in particular kids, go fucking do it. And guess what? Tony, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, Tony, but you were working and I, you were working a fucking job driving, fucking a truck. And then on top of that, you were doing this, this fucking podcast. Right. Yeah, I, listen, you're, this is like my favorite topic to talk about these days. And so like you're hitting on things and I'm just like, yes.

Starting point is 00:17:48 First of all, I started with just a computer and an old microphone that I had from college to start the show. And I actually used that computer. I bought it in 2013 before I was a podcaster and I used that all up until November last year. And so like I was refusing to th on th on th on th on th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi this thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. I'm thi thi. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm that all the up until November last year. And so like I was refusing to buy a new computer, new comics. I was like I can do this on what I had. It's so it's all, it's all progress man. But I'll tell you what, I mean, you're saying this stuff right now and I got to tell you and everybody else, I think it was after the second time I was on the show years ago. I remember after we were done recording, I was kind of like just kind of vending with you guys and letting you know, like, it's because it's tough.

Starting point is 00:18:29 I mean, I was driving track to trailer 12, 14 hours a day, coming home working on podcast stuff. I mean, I wouldn't go to bed until about 2.33 o'clock in the morning, wake up at eight o'clock, it was a grind, it was it was wearing me down and I was like, I was thinking like, I don't know if this is ever going to happen for me, you know, and I don't know at what point am I going to have to make a decision here. And you were just say, just keep going, just keep going, it's going to happen, it's going to happen. And it's, and both you guys have large shows and have been so gracious and generous with me and just giving me the pep talks and stuff that I turn around, I do the same thing for other people

Starting point is 00:19:14 because in those moments for me, I was like, well, Sam, he knows what he's talking about. Like, he knows that this could happen. And if it happened for him why not me and it just kind of kept me going and stuff. 100% dude and that's what we got to tell everybody why not you why me why Xavier why Johnny to a little bit extent why but here's why here's why episode 425 yeah I mean like people start a podcast in their episode 10 and they give up and it's not okay to start a podcast realize that's not it and try to go to another one one one but but the the the th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the the the the the this this thi this the the this this this this this this this th. this this th. th. this th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the is the is the. the. the. the. the. the. the. this the. this the. the. this the. this they give up. And it's also okay to start a podcast realize that's not it and try to go to another one, but like the premise should be like, I'm gonna make it no matter what.

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Starting point is 00:21:32 If they can do it, you just got to keep trying, and be honest with yourself too. I mean, always be looking to, how to, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they's, they's, they's, they're they're they're they're to, they're they're they're to, to, to, to, to, to stay to, and they to stay to stay to to to to to to to they're to to they're to, they're to, they they they they they, they, they. And, they, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they's. And, they's. And, they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're too. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're, six months that, you know, I, because I'm just trying to always make things a little better as I go along. You're killing it, dude. Look at your presentation, dude. That is fucking studio like network television level presentation. Look at that dude. That's fucking unbelievable, man. I gotta redo it now because I gotta leave this room. So when I get to Tennessee, I gotta find a new studio space and make it look good again. But yeah, it's just piece by piece. And like we said in the beginning here in this conversation, I mean, I started in my third bedroom in my house with a desktop computer,

Starting point is 00:22:22 an old microphone from college, and I hit record and started going. And now, I mean, in this room alone, I have four sure SM-7Bs for when I have guests in the studio stuff. And like, I built up to that point, though. But when I started out, it was M-Audio Nova microphone that they didn't even produce when I started the podcast anymore. They don't even make it anymore. And because I wanted the podcast anymore, they don't even make it anymore. And because I wanted the similar quality of microphone when I had somebody else in studio with me, I found somebody else who was selling a used one so I could have matching microphones, you know, I think I got it for like 10 bucks, you know, but it's all a progress and you have to kind of enjoy that process.

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Starting point is 00:23:51 with guys just get into it why you guys got to talk about all that stuff. Save it for a ball, blah, blah. Got you guys. Let's get into the stuff you tho very excited man. thi coming out. You got a doc dog man Dogman dogman documentary Expedition dogman tell me a little bit about it All right, so Episode 335 of the Confessionals podcast is called dog versus dog man and I had this guy Kyle. We call him Kyle. It's not his real name, but but he reached out to me with this story about him when he was a kid encountering this monster in the Kentucky Daniel Boone

Starting point is 00:24:32 National Forest Woods. And the way the email read was just so captivating. I mean, I literally was getting physically getting closer to the screen as I was reading it. And it just he laid laid out this story where he, and he came on my show and told this story where he was 15 years old and he was coon hunting with his grandfather in the dan-yoboin National Forest. And now his grandfather was in rough shape, couldn't get out of the truck kind of thing. So he would drive him back into the woods. He would get out with the dogs and they would go and hunt raccoons. And so they get on, the dogs get on his scent, they take off and you know, he just kind of follows the barks and he can tell by how they're barking what's going on.

Starting point is 00:25:18 And as he's going into the woods, his grandfather, the their, the same time they both heard a bunch of coyotes coming in as well. And so his grandfather said, get to the dogs before the coyotes get there else is to be a nasty fight. And so he's rushing through the woods and he's trying to get there, but he doesn't get there in time. And there's a fight that breaks out between the coyotes. Now it sounded, he said it sounded like the coyotes kind of came in one at a time essentially. And they had two dogs out there. One dog was Jake, he was the older veteran dog, and then there was another dog named Bo who was a younger dog. And I guess the way they trained their dogs is essentially the younger dogs learn from the older dogs how to hunt. And so when this fight younger dog got scared and ran away and left Jake alone. I know right and so he

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Starting point is 00:26:55 And so he said what he saw standing on the other side of this tree on all fours was the biggest dog he ever saw in his, he, he, he, the the th holding a coyote by the rib cages in its mouth. Oh my God. Yeah, like absolutely huge. And he wasn't far from this. It was like right there. And he comes around the tree and he stops and he stares of this thing. This thing looks up, sees him and at this point locks eyes with Kyle and this thing he said stands up on two legs. Oh my God. Listen, listen, this thing takes off after him because he runs. And so when he runs, this thing runs after him, his dog, Jake, now Bo never came back. Bo's gone. The young dog, that dog is gone.

Starting point is 00:27:40 And yeah, no, cow, right? So young dog, you know, it is what it is. But so Jake comes in and actually attacks this gigantic dog that's chasing after Kyle. And so this happens where Kyle's running away, his dog comes in, this thing just takes his dog and throws it. And so it continues to go after Kyle. And this happened two other times. Well, the last time, Kyle, ti, ti, ti, ti, ti, ti, ti, ti, ti, ti, ti, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, Jake, Jake, tho, tho, tho, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, thi, thi, th, th, th, th is, th is, th is th is thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, thi's tho, tho, thi's tho's tho's tho's tho's tho's tho's tho's tho's tho's tho's his dog and throws it. And so it continues to go after Kyle, and this happened two other times. Well, the last time, Kyle, and this happened really fast. I mean, it happening faster than I can tell it.

Starting point is 00:28:13 The last time Kyle actually tripped over something like a tree or something, he falls over and this thing comes in, and he said it was so he said it was he was, he said, he said, he said, he was so he said, he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was, he was, he was, he was, he was so he said, he said, he said, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so he was so close, he was so close, he was so close, he was so close, he was so close, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he was so he was so he was so he said, he said it was so close to him that he could actually see down the back of its throat. And so at this point I mean he's scared it like he I'm dead, he's dead and he thought that his dog was dead because the second time this dog came in on this thing he said this thing didn't just push him off. It threw him through the woods where he could hear his dog just crashing through the tree branches and crying. And so he thought his dog was dead, but the third time his dog comes running in and broadsides this thing and he gets up, runs out into a clearing and he's calm for his dog knowing that his dog's dead because he said all he could hear is this thing tearing. Now to for everybody who's listening right to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the the the. too. the the too. the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. their. their. their. their. their. their, their, their, their. their, their, their, their, their, their their their their th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. their their their their their their their their their to pieces. Now to for everybody who's listening right now that hears this story, I'll just I'll just cover this for you real quick because I

Starting point is 00:29:09 to save on emails I guess. He was 15 years old and he had this this thing coming after him. A lot of times people don't understand why he ran away from this thing. He let his dog basically get killed by this thing. He was 15, he was a kid, you know, like he was just learning how to hunt. And so he gets out in this clearing and he's firing off his gun in the air, calling for his dog knowing this dog's not coming. He jumps in the truck and tells his grandfather, just get And his grandfather said to him, listen, if you're gonna be hunting in these woods for the rest of your life, you gotta understand there's things in these woods

Starting point is 00:29:50 that you're not gonna understand. And if you can't come to grips with that thea, you're not gonna be a good hunter. And so, like, his his tho, his whole, home that night. The next day, they're going to go out looking for the dogs. And he said, Grandpa, there's no point in coming looking for Jake. Jake is dead. And Bo ran off. Like Jake is dead.

Starting point is 00:30:13 And he said, if Jake did for you what you say he did, then we owe it to him, they can't find him anywhere. And so before they went back to the house, his grandfather took his coat off and let it on the side of the road in case the dog smells the coat, comes and they'll come back in the evening and look for the dogs again. So that's as they're getting ready to leave, his grandfather says, look, there's a dog. And maybe like, I guess 20 yards ahead of the truck, they see a dog off to the side of the road.

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Starting point is 00:31:25 took care of animals when somebody needed help with an animal, she took care of him. So just took him to his grandma and she actually nursed the dog back to health and Jake actually lived to be an old dog. He did go back out hunting, but he just never was the same, but he just never was the same that he once was because. Because, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. the the th. the th. th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, took, so he he he he, so he, so he, so he, so he, so he, so he, so th. So, so th. So, so th. So, so th. So, so, so, so th. So, so, so t, so t, so t, so t, so t, so t, so t, so t, so t, so t, so t, so t, so took, so took, so. So, so he was just, took, took, took, took, took, took, took, took, took, took, took, took, some, some. So, some. So, some knew Jake, but after that incident, he just wasn't the same. And then to put a nice Bo on the story, pun I guess, Bo did come back. They, about two weeks later, a local shop miles away found him roaming their parking lot, saw the dog collar, called him. They got both their dogs back. But that story is what took me to Kentucky

Starting point is 00:32:08 to film this documentary because during this interview, I asked Kyle, I said, if I came down to Kentucky, would you show me where this happened? And he's like, absolutely. He said that he's never been back to the area because it's scarred him, but if I came down he would show me where this is at. And so that is what started the process of this documentary of me taking, I had to assemble a team together to come down and do this and I had no idea how it was all going to come together because it was just this idea that I had this amazing story on my show.

Starting point is 00:32:45 I had just gone full-time podcasting. I was like, I want to do more stuff. I want to build stuff. That's kind of like what I do. I like building things. And so I was like, if I come down there, I'll shoot video, I'll have somebody shoot video. I don't know, we'll figure it out. And what came together for this documentary is far beyond anything I even dreamt in the moment. It's just really, it took a life of its own and people came along my path that it was very organically

Starting point is 00:33:10 that contributed to the project. Like I had my main videographer on this trip, he actually used to film for Glenn Beckett the Blaze years ago. And he listens to my show and he reached out and just to talk about other things. I'm like, hey, what are you doing in October? You want to come to Kentucky with me? And he's like, sure, he had never done anything like this before. And then Christian is like the secondary camera man and he's the one who really kind of produce the whole thing after we shot.

Starting point is 00:33:36 He's done stuff for the curse of Oak Island on I think it's Discovery Channel. He's a treasure hunter. Like, that's what he does. So when I'm talking to him, I'm like, hey, you want to come hunt a monster? And he's like, I guess so. Like, it just, the way it all came together was amazing. But I had, it's not just me, Tony, the podcaster, former truck driver, shooting video, I'm th.................. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. th. the. the. th. to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. th. the, th. th. the, the, the, I. the, I. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, I. And, I. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the the the the th. the. the. the. to. to. toe. to. to. the the toda. the the the the the the the the the the the the cameras and the storyline and it just it turned out amazing and so this yeah this Friday we're dropping it and I could I could go into what happened in Kentucky it was crazy like yeah yeah yeah way more than I expected yeah I'd like to hear what happened in Kentucky because I'm freaking the fuck out guys I want to tell you about our friends

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Starting point is 00:37:21 Did you get the impression from this that what he encountered could have killed him if it wanted to? Yeah, so Kyle did. So Kyle believes that there's a lot of theories about dogman. Kyle believes that dogman is a very physical, real creature that has been in the area for a long time because after that initial experience, he learned more about it, his grandfather talked more about it. He found out that there's this thing called slewfoot in Kentucky that he always heard about growing up, but he thought it was a bear,

Starting point is 00:37:53 because there's like an old bluegrass song that talks about the slewfoot, and it says it's a dog in the lyrics, and they changed it over time. But when you hear the chorus of the song, and it says that the bear jumps 30, or runs 90 miles an hour, jumps 30 feet. It clearly sounds like a creature that's supernatural,

Starting point is 00:38:17 but he believes that these are very physical creatures that have just been there the entire time and people run into these things and so yeah he really believes that he would have died that night if it wasn't for his dog and that's why he even came on my show to tell the story is to kind of honor his dog and the life of his dog because I mean when you when you get to know Kyle like I have you know that he's a emotional guy and he doesn't take lightly the things th he has in life. And so the fact that he has life because of the dog, he feels like he owes it all. Now, other people have other theories about dog man that kind of go into more of a metaphysical realm kind of thing where they're part physical and not, it gets deep.

Starting point is 00:39:00 Well, I'm all about that. Okay, so, I think you answered my, my question was really that, because I, what you told me, it almost sounds to me like, hey, this creature saved them from coyotes, and then this guy's dog started to attack it and it's just trying to get these dogs to scare him away. Is that an interpretation that he considered or is that, I mean, he was there, I trust he would know. Or is he just think it was trying to kill him, definitely. So you're saying that the dog was it trying to kill him? Was it sure of that? That it was trying to kill him? And maybe the dog was just attacking this animal.

Starting point is 00:39:33 Well, I mean, so what he believes is that this thing heard the fighting happening and wanted to come in for food. And when he arrived on scene and ran, he believes that the natural instincts of chase after happened and this thing was going after him. Yeah, he believes that this thing wanted to kill him because of how close it got. I mean, I'll never forget. I mean, his story, I mean, it was a long conversation, right? But I'll never forget the, when he said to me that it was so close to him that he could see down the back of his throat, that was just like the imagery. I was just like, holy-well. That's what makes me think that it maybe didn't want to kill him. If it got that close, it seemed, that th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to to to thee. to to the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. It seemed something this big and powerful probably could have just reached out and bit his face off or something. Yeah, and that's how he feels too. But at that moment is when, that last second moment is when his dog came in and broadside this thing.

Starting point is 00:40:32 And that's when he got up and ran out into the clearing and he could hear his dog just getting town pieces. So he thinks it was that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's was the that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that the last the last that that the last that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that the the that the that.. the the the the last the last the last the last the last the. the. the. that's that's that's that's that's that's that that that that that that that that the last that moment he wouldn't be alive right now. What if I was just trying to talk to him? It's like dude slow down. Hey man. I want to I want to talk to you Hey dude, can you scratch your iPhone? Can you scratch my ears? So so Before we get into what happened in Kentucky, what? What? to their theories on like? I'm like, first of all, thi. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th. to. to. to. to. to to to. to to to to see. to see. Can, can. Can, can, can. Can, can, can, can, can, can, can. Can, can, can't, can't, can, can, can, can. Can, can, can't, can, can, can, can. Can, can, can, can, can. Can, can, can. Can, can. Can. Can. Can. Can. Can. Can. Can. Can. Can. Can. Can. Can. Can. Can. Can. Can. Can, can, can, can, can, can. Can. Can. Can. Can. Can. Can. Can. Can, can, can, can. Can. Can, can. Can, can, can, can, can, can I. to. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to hear the metaphysical shit. So do you want to hear about what do you guys want to hear? Kentucky, what happened in Kentucky or his thoughts on metaphysical then? Yes, yes. Like it being interdimensional? Which one do you want to start with? All of it. I already pissed off everybody for not asking about your podcast, which do not let me forget to ask that about the story that makes you want to start a new podcast. Oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:41:25 Don't forget that. Don't forget that. Don't we won't. We won't. So we pulled up this website. Which one of these is the dog man you think he saw on all fours? 10 feet, eight feet. There's a 10 foot one?

Starting point is 00:41:39 I would say if there's size wise, I think he, if I remember correctly, he said this thing was probably about seven feet tall. Oh snap, so it's that one right there. Damn, dude, imagine seeing a seven foot tall dog. Seriously. I mean, dude, I like, my friends are swimming the other day in the ocean and a fucking a dolphin came up. I would, anything in the water is, I don't care what it is, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I'm, a th. I'm, a th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, that's that's thin, that's that one's that one's that one's that one's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. th. It's th. th. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that one's that one's that's that's that's that one's that one's that one's that one's that one's that one's that one's that one's that one what it is is a shark to me I don't care what it is and I instantly shit my pants that's all I do if I saw dog man that was seven foot tall dog I would shit my like a skunk or something yeah I would just go rain defense mode shit myself so I tas like crap like an octopus just so you tas like crap that

Starting point is 00:42:21 the second he bites you he's like this don't taste good. That's smart dude that's kind of smart I just poop that's what happens with a fucking apocalypse now just rubbing it all over I bet that evolved beside your super heavy legs you know as you got slower I got bad legs bro we'll talk about another day so so so let's get into the metaphysical so so let's get into the metaphysical so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so let the so let the th th so th th th th the the to to to to to to to to to to that to that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that the let let let let let's the the the the the let's the the the let's the the the the the the the the the the that the that that the metaphysical and then what happened to you in Kentucky. Talk to me about the metaphysical. You know, it's probably best for this because I think what happened in Kentucky is metaphysical. And so, well, so the metaphysical, all right, let me, so there's this idea. So when I first started doing the podcast, I really came from doing diving into the big foot world and all this stuff. We've had those kind of conversations on the show.

Starting point is 00:43:07 I had this idea that these cryptids that people were seeing were very physical because the stories I was hearing, they saw a very physical thing. And then over time I started hearing these stories, especially with dog man, where people are saying that, you know, it's these creatures are on their property and then all of a sudden they're in the house but there's no sign of breaking and entering they just appeared and so it's like okay so what are we talking about here and I heard a story years ago about a guy who him and his wife got a really bad argument some people talk about how if there's a lot of like negativity in the household it could spawn paranormal paranormal activity and the and and and the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thous thout thout thout thout th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the the thee theeeeeeee the the the thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's ththere's a lot of like negativity in the household, it could spawn paranormal activity and they had this habit

Starting point is 00:43:50 where you have bad days with each other but you don't go to bed angry. Well that night they went to bed angry and so they're in bed laying there both pissed off and they both wind up seeing these red shapes appearing at the bottom of their bed like on the wall. And they're just kind of floating around on the wall. And he says his wife, you know, are you seeing this? And she's like, yeah, I'm seeing this. And he said, something inside of him to look to his left.

Starting point is 00:44:18 And so he looks to his left and he says, in his this this dog with glowing red eyes standing there staring at him on all four and so there's this idea this this idea where these creatures are popping up and they're they're not just these physical creatures but they're also maybe on a spiritual realm at the very least if you want to talk maybe interdimensionalism, there's that aspect as well. Because, all right, so when I'm on, I've been hearing about this stuff, you know, for years, I had a friend who told me about how he had an experience with a dogman, and for years he thought it was a very physical thing until he heard the version of the story told by people who were there but not him. And what they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they saw th th th the the the the the the the the the tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho. tho. tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I th. I tho. I th. I tho. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. the. the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I theeeeea. I've too. I've too. I've thea. I've thea. I thea. I the. I the. I th until he heard the version of the story told by people who were there,

Starting point is 00:45:05 but not him. And what they saw, compared to what he saw, made him feel like, okay, this is more than just a physical creature. This seems like there's more to this. And he has this idea that they might be metaphysical where the longer they're in this dimension, the more physical they become. Now, take th th th thake thake thake thake thake thake thake thake thake thake thake thake thake that thi that thi they become. Now take that idea paired with this other idea because I'm driving to Kentucky. It's like four o'clock in the morning, I'm

Starting point is 00:45:30 driving through the middle of Pennsylvania between Philly and Pittsburgh. There's absolutely nothing but woods. It's it's dark out and I'm not trying to be spooked out or anything. I'm about to go hunt a dog man. And so I turn on Tim Pool. And I'm listening to Timpoole. And it and it and it and it and it and it and it's and it's to to Tim Pool. And it's to Tim pool. And it's to Tim p and it's to to to to to to to to the the to the the the the the'm listening to Tim Pool and it's in the beginning of October and he he because it's October they're just doing little spooky things, not the major. I mean the nothing changed but you know they had this one guy Shane Cashman on their show and and he actually started his own paranormal podcast through Tim Pool's company. I want to give him credit for this.

Starting point is 00:46:07 Tales from the inverted world. And he's on there talking about different things that he came up with, came up with through his investigations. He talked to this woman who's a witch and she was going through a school of mystery. Now, people, they saw Harry Potter and they think it's all fake. There's actually schools out there that teach people witchcraft and they like you go to school to learn witchcraft. And so he, she's talking to him about this and she said that in one of the classes they're learning how to open up portals. And yeah, she said what she saw come through a portal once was an upright walking dog.

Starting point is 00:46:49 And so, like, I'm going to Kentucky to spend nights in the woods hunting a dog man and all of a sudden I had this idea that maybe this thing came through a portal. And I'm like, I'm looking at my back seat. I have 250 rounds of buck shot, double-odd buck. I got slugs. And I'm like, I'm looking at my back seat. I have 250 rounds of buck shot, double-odd buck. I got slugs. And I'm like, I don't know if I have enough ammo for this thing. Like, I don't know if bullets is gonna kill it. And so that kind of took me down in that. I believe in all that.

Starting point is 00:47:26 I believe like it also comes down to what are you, what you believe is possible is what you believe you, what you believe is what you can see. If you don't believe in it at all, it's impossible for you to see it. You just can't see it. If you don't think a dog man is possible or big foot is possible or demons are possible, if you don't believe in that, you'll never see it. And it's kind of like, let's take it into conspiracies. If you believe in false flags and you believe in all that stuff, when these things happen, it lines up for you. You just like, hey, dude, I've seen. I've thiiii, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've thi, I've think, I've thi. thi, I've think, think, think, think, think, think, think, think, think, think, think, think, think, think, think, think, think, think, think, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin, these things happen, it lines up for you. You're just like, hey dude, I've seen this calling card on these things a million times.

Starting point is 00:48:08 I know what they're doing. But if you don't believe in that, you'll never see it. If it's interdimensional, is there any way it could be a skin walker? What do you mean? I think so. Skin walker the ones that become into like priests and they develop into dogs and humans. Could it be a Skin Walker dog? It's all possible dude. Any of it's possible it's all like dude it's like the world is it's like the possibilities are endless. It's like I just tell people I just

Starting point is 00:48:40 that you do we are living in way more interesting fucking world than anybody wants you to believe. You're right. You're right. I get so excited talking to you guys because you guys ask questions. I'm just like, oh you're so right on that. Man, listen, it definitely could be a skin walker. The most classic idea of a skin walker is somebody transforming themselves into a dog. And so it definitely could be a skin walker. There's the occult angle where so I talked to a guy years ago who was like deep into the occult. Like I mean he hardcore and he talks about how at at I guess whatever he was practicing, I don't know, there's a lot to it. I'm not, I'm not from the occult.

Starting point is 00:49:27 I don't know a lot of the stuff. But he, the path that he was on, at some point he was going to have to make a decision whether he becomes a vampire or a werewolf. And he ran into a man years before that told him if he ever gets that level that level that level that level that level that level that level to that level to be, to be, that level, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, toe, toe, toe, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too him if he ever gets to that level that he was supposed to choose vampire because werewolf was the most excruciating pain you could possibly go through for that transformation. So he chose a whernoy. And like for three months, all he consumed was like cracker, like waver crackers and female blood.

Starting point is 00:50:03 Like he had women coming over to his place where he would bite down their necks just a drink out of their necks what? Hold on what? You got this again? You guys don't know about this stuff come on. Hold on. So there was a guy that was training was he training? He was going to transform? So he was doing rituals to transform and he gets that point where they're like, it's like choose your own adventure, right? And he's like, to be a war wolf, pick page 87. To be a vampire, pick 80, page 75. And he picks vampire.

Starting point is 00:50:37 So for three months, he's eating crackers and giving hickeys. Where's he finding girls to come over and just get blood. Is that Craigslist? and giving hickies? Where's he finding girls to come over and just get blood? Is that Craigslist? He's a cold. Yeah, well he was the head, what's it called, the the high priest of the coven that he was running his own coven. So the people in his coven I guess we're all on board for this, but like he was at a point where like this was, it was big. Like, I mean, this isn't like, when you get into this kind of stuff, like, the deeper you go, the bigger it gets, and not smaller, you know, there's more people than you could

Starting point is 00:51:13 imagine involved in this kind of stuff, not less. So I mean, I think we often think like, the deeper you get into this, the fewer there are people, I think you just discovered there's a lot more than you had preconceived notions of. 100%, dude. 100, there is a whole subculture that just gets into, I mean like, dude, that scene from Blade is like real. You go to these fucking underground nightclubs and it's just, it's way crazier than anyone even understands. And even more, the more you're in the city, the less you see it in my humble opinion. I can't get out, the more you see weird shit.

Starting point is 00:51:52 I can't get over fucking crackers and blood for three months. Should that be the name of the episode? So let me tell you, just because you guys are out where you're at just this month on was it the first of this month was an episode day yeah the first of this month March 1st a guy named Joseph was on my show and he has spent 30 years in the film industry and a good portion of that was in Hollywood and the way he kind of got mixed in with the elites like he rubbed shoulders with high name people that he didn't want to drop on the show he's he's to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the to the the to the to the to the the the the the told. the the the told. the told. the told. the told. they. they. they. they. I the the. I the the. I the the. I the the. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the.. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. I. I. the. I. the. I. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. the. the the the the the the the the bed shoulders with high name people that he didn't want to drop on the show, he's told me though, he went to, what's it called, a seance? He went to the seance where it's like a group party seance where they were all, like, he

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Starting point is 00:53:25 and because he can't even talk about it, makes him like pee. And really? I mean, it's that kind of fear. Yeah, and it's, but my dad swears that since they rolled over the bridge or whatever, it's no longer a bridge there. They's filled in that girl died on that road or that bridge that that's why she wants to? There's no lore around it at all.

Starting point is 00:53:47 It just happened to them and that's all they know about it. Yeah. Damn, dude. And that's what, North Carolina? Yeah, North Carolina. I'm not going to be, you're not going Nashville. Knoxville. I wanted to be near the Smoky Mountains, man.

Starting point is 00:54:08 Listen, I, I, that's what they say, dude. Knoxville's weird sap, man. That's when the shit's the fan. There's a lot going on in those mountains too, for you. I cannot wait. I'm tell. I'm going thi. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. to to to to be. to to to be. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to. to. to. to. to. I'm to to be. I'm to. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I. I'm. I'm. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to say. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. and like the media company I'm building like I'm telling you it's You guys will just Google me about five years. You'll see it all. I'm telling you We're gonna be cheering you on bro. That's awesome. That's awesome. So you're driving down you got your guns you're ready. You're listening to Timpool and you're like fucking portals and shit. You're driving down so you meet everybody in Kentucky is that will happen next? Yeah, so I get to. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th? th. thi. thi. tip. tip. tip. tip. tip. tip. tip. tip. tip. tip. tip. tip. t meet everybody in Kentucky, is that what happened next? Yeah, so I get to Kentucky and when I was planning this, so Kyle told me, he's like, if you're gonna do this, bring an army. So like, I'm calling everybody, I'm like, yo, you got guns?

Starting point is 00:54:56 Yeah, bet, let's go. You know, like, I was just like, let's do this but I need like everybody you know so I'm pulling people from all these different states and stuff and then you know of course as we get closer to date guys like yo I can't make it you know this that and the other I got the I got the point where I was like you know I can't be going in the woods by myself man like this is not good and I've talked about it's I talked about so much last year on my show is that like like like everybody like everybody like everybody like everybody like everybody like everybody like everybody like everybody like everybody like everybody like everybody like everybody like everybody like everybody like everybody like everybody like I I I that like I I that like I that like I that like I that like I that like I that like I that like everybody's waiting for this. They're like, oh, Tony's gonna go and hunt the dog man. And so I called my friend Joel. He, Joel has a music group called Van Tesla.

Starting point is 00:55:30 And I didn't know if he would be, if he would be interested in this. Like, he does like conspiracy type sounding music. Like he talks about the deep state in his music and stuff. And I just didn't know if he would be game game the game to be game the game to be game to be game the game would be game to hunt a monster in the woods. And so I called him up and like, hey man, listen, I don't know if this is your thing, but I'm in a jam and he's like, I'm there. I'm like, oh, okay, let's do this. So I have Joel coming with his guns. I have Ward.

Starting point is 00:55:57 I have Christian, the camera guys and me. That's it. And I'm just thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, I'm just thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th thi. thi. th th th th th th th th this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is th. th. th. th. th th th th th th th th th th thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. this is this is this is this is this is this I guess it's better than nothing. And so we get to Kentucky. And I gotta tell people, like when you hear about like a national forest or something, for me at least, I don't picture what I experienced in Kentucky. When I drove into Kentucky, it was my first time being in Kentucky, I saw a sign that said, welcome to the Daniel Boone National Forest. I'm like, cool, I'm almost there, you know, like that's where we're going. I had over an hour to drive to the location

Starting point is 00:56:29 that I was just staying at, because I got some cabin. And so I was like, this place is huge and it's thick, it's vast. And I could see how things could hide in here, I thin, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, that, th. th. tho, tho, tho, thi, I thi, tho, tho, I th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was that, I was that, I was that, I was that, I was that, I was to too, I was tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. I was th. I was th. I was th the cabin and we all kind of meet each other for the first time except for me and Joe and me and Joel have worked together before and we go out and we meet Kyle. Now what I didn't say before that I'll say now because I just forgot is Kyle later in life was hunting as an adult and he actually had an experience where he saw one of these things again just crossing a road real briefly and so we went to that location. I said, all right, well, show me that location because it was easy to get to. It was our first night there.

Starting point is 00:57:11 And we go down in the woods and he wanted to kind of take us down in the woods and circle back up to the road, kind of like how when he came out. thoo and he's that's that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th. So, th. So, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show me, show me, show me, show me, show me, show, show me, show me, show me, show me, show me, show me, show me, show me, show me, show, show, show me, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show, show that, show that, show that, show that, show that, show that, show that, show that, show that, show that, show that, show that, show. that, show. that, show. that, show. that, show. that, show. that, show me. that, show me, show me, that, that that that that's. to me. to me, show me, that that that's. that that that's. that that that's. that that that th. the order of this, but I think what happened was, we're going down through the woods and we hear something kind of crash through the woods and a tree comes falling down. And I'm just like, you know, what was that? Like, I was just like, okay, it's happening already, okay? And, you know, it could have been a true, trown, tree, tree, tree, tree, tree, tree, tree, to be, to be, to be, to be, they.... to be, they. to be, to, they. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to be, to, to, to, and through, and through, and, and, and, and, to, and, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the................... And, the. And, the. And, the. the. they. they. they. they. they. the the the the the the the the the the wa. the the wa, the wa, the wa, the the the the wa, toe, toe, the the the wa, something went through the woods and then the tree came down. And we keep hiking and then, now Kyle's a tracker, like in this area and stuff, people will call him and say, hey, you know, I need you to come and track whatever it is.

Starting point is 00:57:53 And he's really good with that stuff. So he's walking and he stops and he starts pulling these leaves aside and he's like, thrown print right there. And we looked down and I'm like, I'm having a hard time seeing. I'm like, what are you talking about? You know, and he starts like pointing it out and drawing it out. There was, there was a print that you could either say it was canine or cat, okay?

Starting point is 00:58:13 It was one of those two. And it was so big that my hand could fit inside it. And the, like, I wasn't sure because like, so Kyle's like, you know, because he's showing it first and he's putting his hand in there and he's like, but I have small hands and, uh, and so like I put my hand down in it and I could feel the prints of the toe pads and my fingers were fitting in the inside the toe pads. I'm like, holy crap, like this is not a coyote. And you know, just like here in Pennsylvania, it's like this in Kentucky too. The government says there are no mountain line,

Starting point is 00:58:47 but there are mountain line. They just don't want to admit it for whatever reason. And if this was a mountain line, it would have to be absolutely huge. In the Pacific Northwest mountain line get to be about 250, around there, that's what I've been told. Like this thing would have had to be at least 250, at least. And in Kentucky, that's very inconceivable. Like it's just not really a possibility. Unbelievable.

Starting point is 00:59:12 I don't know. So like, so we found that print, and I was stunned by it. And we made it into the documentary, obviously, and I'm going to go down here, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, to, to, to, the, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the this trip of, because I went down there with zero expectations. My thing was, I'm going to go down here and I'm going to film for a week in the Daniel Boone National Forest where this creature supposedly was seen and exists and just see what happens, you know. And for the very first day, within the first hour or two of being in the woods, we come across his gigantic print. I was like, oh my god, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. I'm, I'm, I'm, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I, I. I. I. I. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, I'm, I'm, th. And, th. hour or two of being in the woods, we come across his gigantic print. I was like, oh my god, like, all right, let's see what else the week has for us. And so the next day we go out in the woods and we're hiking into this location.

Starting point is 00:59:55 So what happened is, Kyle told me the first week of October, I needed to be there if I was going to do this. Because where this happened this happened this happened this happened this happened this happened this happened this this this this this this this this this this this this thiiiiiiauiaugh is thiaugh is thiaugh is thiaqqqqqqqqqqqq. tooomky. tooomky. tooomorrow. tooomorrow. tooomorrow. tooomorrow. tooomorrow. tooomorrow. tooom. tooom. tooom. tooom. tooom. tooom. tooom. tooe. tooe. tooe. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. to be. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toooooooooo. toooo. tooo. toooe. tooooe. toooe. tooo. tooooooooe. tooooo. tooooe. to be there if I was going to do this. Because where this happened, you need to go through this access gate to get back into the woods. And he said that's closed and it doesn't open until the first week of October. He said, after the first week of October, you don't want to be back there because the hunters are back there. And so you just get down there, first, the to. So we go to to the gate, so, the gate, the gate, the gate, the gate, the gate, the gate, the gate, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. And, th. th. th. thr. thr. th. th. th. th. th. th. that th. that, that that, that, that's, that's, th. that's, th. that's, th. that's, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th's, th's, th's, th's is is is is closed, th's is closed, th. And, th. And, th. And, th's is closed. And, th. And, thr-and, thr. And, thr. And, thr. And, that. And, that that that that that that that that that that the that that that that that that that there since he was 15. I guess the rules changed or whatever, I don't know, but like that entire week that we were there, that gate was locked, which presented a problem because this location that he had this experience at was six miles back into the woods just on the road to then hike into the woods off trail to where this happened. And so we wanted to drive my truck back there so th. th th th th th th th th th th th there th th th th th th there th th th th th th th th. their th. their their their th. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the. the. thea. tea. tea' tea' teatea tea tea tea. their their their their their their their their their their the road to then hike into the woods off trail to where this happened. And so we wanted to drive my truck back there so that if something did happen, we could

Starting point is 01:00:50 have a quick escape. Now that the gates closed, we got a hike into the location. Oh my God, six miles? Yeah. So that's how I lost on my weight, by the way. So, like, Kyle's not a big fan of this. So, th, th, th, thi. So, th, thiii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, told told told told told me, told me, told told me, told me, told told told told told told told told told told told told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, told told told told told me told me the the the told me, the the told me, the to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me too, too, too, too, told told told I lost on my weight, by the way. But, so, like, Kyle's not a big fan of this. So Kyle told me, he said, first of all, going down, I knew this, he said, I'm not going to be out there at night. I'll show you where it happened during the day, but I am not going to be out.

Starting point is 01:01:16 their night. And so I knew that because this gate gate was was was thapapapapapapapapap gate this gate thg. was closed, I was going to be cutting it short on daylight hours to get back there for him to show us to get them back out, to go back in at night. And so we go hiking in during the day, and we're about two and a half, three miles in. And it's, the road kind of forks, and the one side, if you go to the right, it's really overgrown. But the right side is like trees growing up in the road kind of thing. And he said, I want to go back in here first because I think there's a water tank back there that I believe if it's back there, it might be a good spot to put up a camera because he figured that the government put in these water tanks so that the wildlife can not go to the main lake where they're get hunted out by the hunters so easily. And so we hike back that side,

Starting point is 01:02:07 I'd say about a mile to two miles. And we get to this point where the road really makes a hard 180 degree turn. And he believed that the water tank was up this hillside. Now, when we went into the woods, now there's four of my team plus Kyle. The number one rule we had was, we don't split up. Like, whatever happens, we don't split up. There's no cell phone reception.

Starting point is 01:02:29 There's like, we all want to get home to our wives. So we get back to this location. I broke the rule. I didn't even think about it. It happened. I broke three other guys on the trail waiting for us. And we're about 20, 30, 40 feet up this hill and all of a sudden I hear my team get back down here get back down here. I'm like I'm about to lose. I'm like holy my heart

Starting point is 01:02:56 drops into my stomach and I'm kind of rushing down the hill. Kyle's the guy's the guy who went through this. thi. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the thi. thi. the the the the thi. the thi. thi. th. th. th. th. thirty. thirty. th. th. th. th. the the the the the hill, the hill, the hill, the hill, the hill, the hill, the hill, the hill, the hill. the hill. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thirty. thirty. thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, through this, okay? He won't go in the woods at night and now something's happening during the day. We get back down to the trail, I go over to the team and they start telling me what happened. I look over at Kyle and as he's hearing about what happened, he starts having like like PTSD. Like he starts like you can see in his face, his face melted, he walks away, he sits down the trail, he puts his head between his legs and I'll come back to what happened but later after I found out what's happening we kind of handled some things I went over to Kyle see how he's doing and I like this is not this is like Kyle's a man's man kind of guy he's a Kentucky dude he had tears going his face when I when I talked to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to the to they.. they. the to they. He to to they. He to they. He toe. He's they. I they. the the they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. Hea. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's he he he he he he he he's he's he's he's the. He's the. He's theck. He's try. He's try. He's try. try. try. try. try. try. t. try. try. try. try. try. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's a Kentucky dude. He had tears going down his face when I when I talked to him. Like he was reliving what he went through as a 15 year old and he was scared to death. And so and again this is just daylight. So I

Starting point is 01:03:54 approached my team and I'm like what's going on? And what happened was Joel was taking the lead. The entire time we were down there when we're hiking, Joel was taking the lead. He had a shotgun. I had my side arm. I had Kyle here with me. I had Christian and I had Ward bringing up the back end. We all had guns. Multiple guns. Joel is heading up the front and he's coming around this turn as I'm going up the hill just kind of wandering. And he said all of a sudden he saw a tree like a full. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. J. Jololololololl was the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tol. J. Jol. Jole. Jole. Jole. tole. tole. tole. tole. tole. tole. tole. tole. tole. tole. tole. their their, just kind of wandering. And he said, all of a sudden, he saw a tree, like a full-grown tree that you couldn't put your arm around the tree, shaking back and forth, like something was just violently shaking it. He turns and looks behind him to Christian who's there, and Christian didn't see it, he heard it.

Starting point is 01:04:39 And so Christian turns his head and looks and then Joel looks back and again it happens so now both the guys see it and it's this tree just shaking back and forth like a full-grown tree violent I'm not talking about branches slowly moving or just branches I'm talking the entire full-grown Daniel Boone National Forest tree shaking violently back and forth nothing else around it justthe, I guess the brush and stuff around it was shaking, but the tree and only the tree was shaking back and forth, like something was grabbing it and just shaking it back and forth. And they said they didn't see anything other than that.

Starting point is 01:05:19 And they didn't know if it ran off, if something ran off or what. But we broke the rule again after this and I said they Joel and Christian who saw this wanted to go down the trail circle around the hill because the road kind of circled around the hill and they wanted to push this thing back towards us and so I'm like all right cool let's go do it that you wanted to go back home to your wife yeah yeah so here's a thing. Seventh is a giant killer thing, my way.

Starting point is 01:05:47 Are you guys walking around, like, are you guys like Arnold Schwarzenger from Predator, just walk around with your guns out? Slowly like doing hand signals, like move around? Are you guys like freaking out and shit? No, not at this point. It's daytime. I didn't see what happened. Gun safety was a big thing. Ward is a safety instructor, so like he coached us and all that. Like we were very safe with the guns. But I'll tell you, in sober-minded thinking, going into it, you have a game plan, but when you're there, I don't know what else to tell you other than, I don't think many

Starting point is 01:06:25 of us thought a whole lot about our wives back home in that moment. We're like, this is like an opportunity of a lifetime. It's like a kid in a candy shop. We're just like, we got to try. And so, I think we'll always go into it with that game plan of not splitting up, but I don't know if we're going to actually follow that since we, since we weren't able to do it the first time. But anyways, so so Christian and Joel go off on their own to circle around the hill and bring this thing back in. So you break your own rule again. Yeah. Breaking up.

Starting point is 01:06:56 So like, so it wasn't really a rule, but it was more of a suggestion than nobody else. Exactly. I say we break us up. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tho.. I say we break us up. But you're like, what? Damn, bro, you're brave, dude. You're brave. So, so they go off and they're gone for like 30, 25, 30 minutes and it just hits me that now, when they went off, that's when I went over to Kyle to see how he's doing it. That's when I saw he was crying and how bad is affecting him.

Starting point is 01:07:26 So they go off and they're gone for 25, 30 minutes and it hits me, I'm like, oh crap, I didn't even give him a two-way radio. So, oh my God, bro. If something happens, the. And so, you know, obviously, you know, our first time working together, we had to work out some Kings, right? And sorry, maybe I missed it. Who's got the cameras here?

Starting point is 01:07:52 So, the, so Christian has a camera and he went off with Joel and then Ward had a camera, but he put his camera down, the try pushing this things things things things, things, things, think, think, than, than, th an, thin, thin, to, to, to, thin, thin, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, and I, and I, and I, to, and I, and I, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and, and, and, and, and, and, so, and, so, and, so, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, I, and, I, and, I, I, I, and, and, I, and, the, the, the, the, the thin, the thin, thin, so, thin, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, He's going Rambo, man. Like he's going, like, so the guys are going around this big hill to circle, try pushing this thing back. Ward is going up the hillside circling in on where this activity happened. I'm hanging out on the path with Kyle. And while the guys are doing their thing, Kyle is coming down, relaxing, and we're looking around. And he's like, the the the the the the the the the thiiiiiiiiii. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. toe. toe. toe. He's, toe. He's going. He's going, toe. He's, toe. He's, toe. He's, toe. He's, toe. Hea. Hea. Hea. Hea. Hea. He's, trie. He. He. He's, trie. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He's, trie. He's, trie. He's, trie. He's going, trie. He's going, trie. He's going, trie. He's going, try. He's going, try. He's going, try. He's going, try. He's going, try. He's going, try. He around. And he's like, do you see that? I'm like, no, what? And he's like, look over there.

Starting point is 01:08:27 Do you see that? And he's pointing in the direction where this tree was violently shaky. And again, I don't see anythanit. And again, I don't see anything. What are you talking about? And I'm like, I si-I, it, it, it, it, it, th, tho, tho, I'm, I'm, I'm, tho, I'm, tho, I'm, thin, thin, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th.. th. th. thr. thr. th. th. t. thr. the. the. thea. the. the., I finally see what he was talking about in this tree area was just, and I don't personally think it was eye shine. He still calls it eye shine, but I don't know what it was,

Starting point is 01:08:53 but it was one light, not to, but it was, it was like somebody was in a tree with like one of those small LED flashlights flicking it on and on, on and off. And it would go on and off and be flashing, and then it would just stop, and then it would come back and do it again. And I'm like, what the heck is that? So I go over and I go into the trees and I literally go up to this location where we're seeing this.

Starting point is 01:09:17 And I'm looking in, I don't see it. I don't know what it was. I have no idea other than the fact that there's people that do talk about seeing these weird lights in the woods. I've seen the lights before years ago. I mean, probably like six, seven years ago, I was hiking through the salt forked, the morning. And I saw this bright, and I was with three other guys. I saw this bright light on a hillside inside the cannabies pulsating on and off until it just went away. So it wasn't my first time seeing like that, but during the daylight was kind of weird. And I really expected to go over and see maybe like some trash and we're so far into the woods. It's not like there's a whole lot of trash to begin with. And so that was a weird thing that happened in that location.

Starting point is 01:10:08 And I'll tell you, when we got home from this whole trip, Ward had found a video that he sent to us asking Christian and Joel if this is what they saw. And Christian, like, he said that like, when he saw that video, it like brought it all back to me because it was exactly what he saw. And in the video, that's how I can accurately describe what they saw because in this video,

Starting point is 01:10:33 this tree is just like going sideways, back and forth, shaking like crazy. And so like, that whole thing happened. And in the moment, you're like like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, th.e. that's, th.e.e. that's, th.e. that's, that's, th.e. that's, that's, that's, what's going on here? Like, clearly there's something happening. Yeah. Like, you wonder, is there a reason, like you look for logical explanations. And a lot of times, people, when I talk about this, they suggest, well, was there anybody logging back there?

Starting point is 01:11:00 I can confidently tell you that there was absolutely nobody there for miles. And especially right there, because Joel and Christian were probably no more than 50 feet, or no less, no less than 50 feet away from this thing, within a 50-foot range, is what I'm trying to say. Like they were right there. I was right there. I went to the tree. I was standing next to the tree that was shaking v shaking, toe, toe, toe, took, tooe, too, too, the tree, the tree, the tree, the tree, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, there. I went to the tree. I was standing next to the tree that was shaking violently. There was nobody logging. There was nobody there. And so there's no explanation for what we experienced. But that kind of launched us into our investigations at night. Where we went

Starting point is 01:11:35 into... Oh my God, you go into the force at night, dude? Oh yeah, bro. Oh my god. Johnny, would you do it? No. Fuck no. No. But quick question, so you thought the thing shaking the tree was a dog man? Something. You don't know? Because Bigfoot's been known to shake trees to scare you away or let you know he'll shake him up supposedly.

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Starting point is 01:13:21 So I'm going to rent that out that that that that that that that that that that that that thoto the location. So I'm gonna rent that out at some point and then I'll be able to hike in from that side a lot easier. But anyway, so what we did do, since we knew that we weren't gonna be able to find that original location anyways, we decided to go at night to where the activity happened. And you guys are crazy. A little bit, like, a little mentally held back you know I mean so I it's just it's one of those things I can't help it like I just I like doing

Starting point is 01:13:48 this stuff I like doing it before I was podcasting I would go I would go in the woods by myself all the time so we I went down there because of the dog man the dog man was brought in because of the coyotes. I went down there with coyote urine. I went down there with with a predator call that sounded like a dying coyote. Like I'm trying to pull this thing out, you know? And we go in there at night and we're hanging stakes from trees, like all of it. Is there bears there? is there bears in Kentucky? Yeah, yeah I think there. I mean it's forested. Oh, their. It's a. It's a their. It's a their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their predator. their their their their predator. It's a their predator their their their their their their their predator their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their tree. treea. treea. treea. treea. treea. treea. treea. treea. teat. treea. treea. treea. treea. treea there? Huh? Is there bears in Kentucky? Yeah, yeah, I think they're all. I mean, it's forest, dude. Yeah. You guys are asking for trouble.

Starting point is 01:14:30 You're supposed, like, when you go camping, they ask you personally, put your fucking food away because the bears will come on the market? Did you bring a woman menstruating too? We might try to bring the time, you know. Anybody here bleeding? Come hang out. Trying to get a dog. Walmart. So I, uh, we go out there at night with the night vision and stuff. And again, the guys experienced a very similar thing. Only this time it was Joel and Ward. Because me and Christian were on a hillside filming with the night vision while they were baiting everything and things happened that night. But I'll tell you what I saw the last day, which I just don't know, I don't know what I saw.

Starting point is 01:15:17 It was broad daylight, it was very fast and again gives this idea of metaphysical. We went back to the location where all this activity happened. It was our last day. Ward had already left. We weren't really planning on doing anything other than retrieving all our trail cams. And you know, Christian's there with this camera if we needed or anything. And Christian and Joel were off on the trail where they saw that activity initially. And I'm probably about 40-50 feet away, getting ready to, to climb, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their the trail where they saw that activity initially. And I'm probably about 40, 50 feet away, getting ready to climb a tree a little bit to unhook a camera. And the way it was positioned is my back, once I'm doing this, is going to be towards

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Starting point is 01:17:14 which is big foot. Yeah, big foot, yep. So, I don't know if I saw a big foot. I don't know what I saw, I don't know if I saw a dog man, I do know that I think I saw something. Was there a small laughter? Did you look for any footprints? Yeah, yeah, well Joel did I didn't go back there. I saw how big that thing was.

Starting point is 01:17:36 I was like, eh, you know, don't get a smell? Because they say they whip or something? I didn't smell anything. I didn't smell anything. But you know, you're right. I mean, they do talk about the smell and stuff with Bigfoot. But I think that's probably, I would imagine that's with a lot of these things. I mean, if they're physical creatures, I mean, you would think they would think a bear would fucking stink. My dog stinks after a couple, like two, three weeks of no techno, they fucks stink. Yeah, people stink after like two days and not showering. Yeah. Can't imagine what happens when people are flying and girl. Just go to Skid Road. You'll get the whole whiff.

Starting point is 01:18:15 I wonder if there is something about modern-day camera equipment that doesn't allow you to easily see these things like because they're on a different dimension or frequency that our modern-day equipment doesn't catch them as much as easily you know and just like see it like again you has to be like either electromagnetic, like, you know, we had a gentleman on who was talking about how like, the, you know, these indigenous elders say they can't teleport anymore because the energy and electricity and all that in the air done purposely to stop people from you know going to different dimensions and stuff like that. I wonder if that affects the electricity affects the

Starting point is 01:19:10 ability to see these things as easily as somebody who doesn't have any of that stuff around him. So you would say there's more portals out in the forest than in LA? Well yeah that I 100% believe that. You don't think there's a there has to be a portal in LA though like like like? like like like like like like like like like like like like like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like the the the the the they they that that. So you that. So you that they that that, that, that, the, the, that, they, that. So you would that. So you would that. So you would that, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well. So, well, well. So, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well. Well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they they they they they they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. the. the. they. a port, there has to be a port in LA though. Like, underground. But why does all like the kidnapping and butt play come from the, come from the, in the wilder in the hicks and or in the farms and all that stuff? You know, I mean, it just seems like here is like there's a lot of butt play around here I gotta say. Yeah but West Hollywood.

Starting point is 01:19:47 Yeah, yeah, looking for a butt play. Not like interdimensional butt play, which is like just kind of super crazy right? But out there, there's a less electricity, you know. Isn't Kentucky known to have like geomagnetic things going around there? Yeah, Kentucky is known for a lot of strange things, man. Like a lot. For sure. What was that?

Starting point is 01:20:13 For sure. Yeah. For sure. For shoot. There's so much mysterious things with Kentucky. Like dog man is just scratching the surface. Like, so you want to go down like the occult angle like it's very popular in Kentucky. And so there's that side of things where you know are you encountering

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Starting point is 01:22:30 its ears like noodles. So this was something in my mind, very physical and very real. And so it's just, there's a lot of, there's a lot of angles to go down when it comes to this kind of stuff. And the paranormal or the portal idea that the interdimensionalism is something that the more I look into things the more real it becomes. Like if you were to ask me, do you believe there's other dimensions that things exist in and they come through? Yes, absolutely 100 percent. And I think that we, as humans th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the there there there there there there the there there there there there there there there there there there there there there's there's the there's their there's there's there's there's their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their humans do have the ability to access those dimensions. I just don't know if we have the ability to do it on the frequent basis, on the frequent basis as whatever is on the other side coming through this way. It's, and that kind of actually leads into the other story that I was talking about anyways.

Starting point is 01:23:23 It's just crazy. Yeah, I think it's super interesting man. You know, I really want to go, I want to hear about the story, but I really, really, really want to go with you on something. I am interesting. Look, here's one. Do this one. The Kelly Hobsonsville Encounter, the Goblins. Have you heard of those? Me and my buddy Matt buddy Matt my buddy Matt is a big fan of yours so I'm like dude me you will get the whole crew will just go find these get some weird shit man go find right up your alley what are those yeah the Hopkins little Goblins in Kentucky Christian County oh really see I think, you'd go out there. And then the first time that something got a little squirrely, you would be like, fuck this.

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Starting point is 01:25:32 Yeah. Well, maybe see if Isaac Wysip wants to go because he's been talking about it. Yeah, we'll just get the fucking a team of podcasting go out there. We bringing. We're bringing. We're their. We're their. We're their. We're their. We're their. We're th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. th. the the th. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the the the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that. that. that. that. that. that. that. the the th. th. there. We're bringing guns right? Just sitting a, yeah. Okay. I mean, I can't bring a gun. I gotta drive. Someone hand me a gun. Yeah, we just need guns there. Yeah, somebody have guns there. So the way it's working out for this at least, I mean, we're open to going back to places. Actually, you had him on your show, Ryan Burns. He owns the property that butts up against Skin Walker Ranch. And he bought us out, right?

Starting point is 01:26:09 Yeah, he's invited us out, yeah. He bought that property to research the phenomenon, and he actually told his property manager, under explicit instruction, if you see something on my property, do not shoot it. Like he wants this thing to be like a safe haven, the property be like a safe haven for all this activity that's happening. And so like he wants to bring us out to this location to do all this research.

Starting point is 01:26:33 And so we're kind of playing with this idea of, we're gonna go out to Skin Walker Ranch and then they'll have like, thrown. we'll have like this whole trailer where it's like us approaching the gates of Skin Walker Ranch and it's just like well what happens next door and then when it's where we go for the documentary and we just kind of spend our week out there doing everything he has a lot of stuff going on the property and I'm just I'm really excited about doing it because that whole area is just so mysterious and listen I just I just want to have fun hunting monsters and see what happens so if you you you you you the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the to to to to th is th is th is to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I's is is is just th. I's is just. I's is is just. I's is just. I's is just. I's is just. I's is just. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I's th. I'm th. I'm the. I'm to. I'm just. to. the. the. the. the. the. the. what happens. So if you're down, I'm down. Let's do it.

Starting point is 01:27:06 Gotta get me to dates. I gotta make sure I'm available. You know, because I mean, you have kids too. I have kids. Yeah. Mine are super young, but I gotta figure out. But I'm not against it, dude. Yeah.

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Starting point is 01:27:52 I don't, I mean these things are pretty intelligent, I think. But what I mean is there's not, I'm not, in the sentience is not the right word, but there's not, nobody's gotten the sense that there's anything like even close to human there, right? No, unless you want to go down the idea of dogman being a werewolf, you know, but like, I mean, there, I, before I even go to the point of werewolf, I'm thinking natural creature first, but I'm also thinking interdimensional, which is its own being, being, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the point of wherewolf, I'm thinking natural creature first, but I'm also thinking interdimensional, which is its own being from another realm. And so, yeah, I think the idea of dogman is just like the upright walking.

Starting point is 01:28:38 Because like back in the day in Kentucky, I mean, there's just like with Bigfoot, there's regional names for things. I mean, with Dogman's the same thing. In Kentucky, the sloughfoofewewew foot foot foot foot foot foot foot foot foot foot foot foot foot foot foot foot foot, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, the they. interdimensional, thin, thin, their, thin, thin, there's just like with Bigfoot, there's regional names for things. I mean, with Dogman's the same thing. In Kentucky, the slewfoot, like I mentioned earlier in stuff. I mean, his grandfather, so when he was a kid, he was laying, and his grandfather's house sleeping over, laying next to a window. And in the middle of the night, his grandfather, so he asked, the to told grandfather, told grandfather, told grandfather, told, told, told, told, told, told, told, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, to, to, the, the, the, too, the, the, the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, to, to................ to.. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the the the the to. the the the the the to. the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the to up and put me in the middle of room? He said, so Slewfoot wouldn't reach in and grab you. And so, like, this is something that they talk about, they understand, exists out there.

Starting point is 01:29:12 It's an actual possibility that things could happen. And he did, he just, he was like, why is a bear gonna reach in and grab me until he, you know, years later realized that Sleuthwood originally was an upright walking dog. So wild. So I then I want to hear your story real quick but I just wanted you guys to know that I so there's this dog park in in the Hollywood Hills that I always bring my dog to and this is like this really open my mind listening to you right now. So I was I have my dogs running around in the dog park and I and I the dog park and I th and I and I and I th and I th and I th and I th and I th th and I th th the th the the the th th the th th th th th he th th he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I want th. I want th th th th th th he he th he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he And then this is like this really open my mind listening to you right now. So I was I had my dogs running around in the dog park and I had to go grab something from my car. So I crossed the street from the side of the dog park to the other side of the street. And so so it basically goes

Starting point is 01:29:59 Hollywood Hills where you see like the Hollywood sign goes down then there's like some road that goes like kind of spindly around around around around around around around around around to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to to to to to to the to to the dog to to to to to the dog to the dog to to the dog to the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog to to the dog the dog to the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the dog. the the dog. the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the to to to to to thog to to to to to thog to too. thog to to thog to the the thog to the the the the thog the the Hollywood sign goes down, then there's like some road that goes like kind of spindly around Hollywood Lake, right? Then there's like a flatland that is the park. And you know, everyone's turned into a dog park, okay? And then there's kind of like housing, but there's like this weird kind of like like hill that goes down to what looks like it would be like a something that for flooding right like where water would flood down there and it's like this little like I don't know what how to call it um a dip dip dip but there's like there's like cement where water will shoot down and then it goes in the housing so I am standing and it's a big dip? It's a big dip? D. dip. dip. there? D. there? D. there? It's like? It's like? It's like? It's a big? It's a big? It's a big? It's a big? It's a big? It's a big? It's like. It's like? It's like, there. It's like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, it's like, like, it's like, like, it's like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, it's like, like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's a th, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, like, it's like, like, it's like, it's like cement where water will shoot down. And then it goes in the housing. So I am standing, and it's a big dip, dude. It's like a big dip.

Starting point is 01:30:53 So this is hand to God, bro. So I go to my car, I unlock my car, I shut my car, and just something catches my eye. And from here, and I look out into the dip and it's big enough in the dip for me to see the top of it and I'm like I'm like this thing has to be fucking huge and I just started screaming coyote giant coyote but now I've seen so many coyotes, dude! This is no way it was coyote size. It would literally have to be, I'm not lying to you, ten times the size of a coyote. It was- The mountain lion? It was- No, but it had like a weird back. It did have a mountain lion back.

Starting point is 01:31:44 How much of it did you see? I saw the top fringe of it. Super creepy, bro. But now I'm thinking about like, oh, this thing was... Didn't have time? No, didn't have time because it just, and then I was so scared for people's dogs. Because this thing... Did you have Roger with you?

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Starting point is 01:36:05 grow up to be great. Yeah, so we're talking about it. And then my friend, Ward, the cameraman, he texts our group chat a picture that his friend sent him. And it was a game trail cam of the guy's backyard and it was this weird looking dog walking in the frame and he said that the guy through several pictures that he had estimated this thing was standing from ground from the ground to the top shoulder blade 40 inches and I mean that's freaking huge in the picture it didn't seem that big to me and the way it was looking it looked like almost like a main but there was like no hair on the back end it was really weird looking but that

Starting point is 01:36:46 night after I got that it's about 11 o'clock down here in the studio I'm working on some things my wife sitting here we're talking we go upstairs to get something to eat and then we were going to bed. We're standing in the kitchen and my cat is the only pet I'm the the the the the the the the the cat. the cat. the cat. I the the cat. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the too is. too is. too is. tea. tea. tea. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the only it's the only pet I have is a cat and that cat is sitting in the kitchen right in front of us we can see it right there and at the same time my wife and I heard and felt something walking downstairs in my house and my God this so my house has hardwood floor downstairs downstairs up the stairs and upstairs all carpet. What we heard had to have been downstairs because it was bipedal and you could hear the nails clacking on the hardwood floor.

Starting point is 01:37:38 And I said to my wife, I looked at her, my eyes were like size and saw some like did you hear that? And she goes, I felt that. She, she could, we both felt like the vibrations on the floor of something walking in the house and it lasted like five seconds. And I'm just like, okay. So I was, I was like gonna come down here and finished production. And I no, what happened is I forgot, I forgot to post something real quick. And I told th th thold thold thold thold thold thold thold thold thold tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. th. th. th. th. th. th. that I said, thi tho. tho that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that I said, the the they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. I forgot, I forgot to post something. It was something real quick. And I told her, I said, just stay in the kitchen and wait for me to come back up because I had to come down in the basement. I'm not going down in the basement by myself right now, you know?

Starting point is 01:38:12 But it really tricked me out and it just kind of gave me this idea of of a supernatural angle than what's been explored traditionally. Well, if you look for it, and you will find it. That's it. If you're open-minded to it, you'll see it. If you're not, you'll never understand it, ever. Well, it's one of my biggest motivations to get in my own studio space, man. I don't want to do the stuff in my house anymore. No, I'm I I I I I get that. I get that totally, bro. I totally get that.

Starting point is 01:38:46 All right, so let's hear this story, bro, I'm super excited. Okay, so this story, I don't talk about a whole lot publicly just because it's still very much developing. And I don't want the way things work with the confessionals, I mean, you contact me and you go through a scheduling process. It's not like next week you're going to be on the show. And so he contacted me

Starting point is 01:39:14 earlier last year. We were supposed to do an interview in August. I had to cancel for a family vacation. We canceled actually a couple times and then we finally sat down to do this interview late last year. And I sit down, the email said that he went to his friend's parents building that they owned, he had a paranormal experience. I was like, this is going to be about 20 minute conversation. I'll be up for dinner, honey. I sit down with him and I just run through the notes real quick to say, okay, this is what we're talking about, right? And he's like, yeah, that and I have other stuff, but I didn't want to talk about it because I didn't think you'd get ahold of me then. And I said, well, what are we talking about here?

Starting point is 01:39:53 And he said that basically, the story, theyrific, and they, the story, the story, the story, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, tho, tho, thr, thr, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thr, thr, thr, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I, I, I, I's, I, I, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, and, I's, I's, and, and, and, and, know each other. It's a really weird thing. I'm like, okay. So he tells me this story where he had just graduated high school and him and his friends were going into the Marines. And for like one last, you know, thing to do, him, his friend and his friend's family went to a building that they had bought. It was in their renovating for business purposes, they were going to just spend the weekend there, hang out, and have fun. So they're outside, maybe at a bonfire or whatever, and he's inside by himself.

Starting point is 01:40:30 And he said before this, he never experienced anything paranormal in his entire life. But he's inside and he hears something, literally walk right up to him. And it freaked him out, but it just kind of walked away then. So he didn't the the the they they they they they they they they they they they they, he they, he they. they. they. th, they. th. th. th. th. And he was, th. And he was, th. And, th. And, thi, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, they's, they. And, they. And, they. And, they. And, th th th just kind of walked away then. So he didn't say anything. He went to bed that night and they're all kind of in the same room sleeping. And that night he wakes up and he looks at his friend and there's this like black shadow and like ghouly demonic entity leaning over his friend looking like it's about to eat the life out of his friend. And he's like, what the fuck is that? And he yells real loud, everybody wakes up and he's like, oh before everybody wakes up and asks him what happened though, this thing real quick turns towards him, comes into his face and like his his

Starting point is 01:41:18 his thies or growls at him and then goes out the freaking window. And so he tells them what he saw and there's like, you're weird dude, go back to sleep. He then goes and talks to his other friend and this is where this whole other storyline comes in. He tells his friend what he saw. His friend saw a or what he saw to his friend and his friend kind of dables. All he knew is his friend kind ofabbled in this kind of stuff. He didn't really know the extent of his knowledge but his friends like, oh yeah, that's this, that and the other. He knew exactly what was called and he's like, okay and he's like, so this is what you do if you ever see that again, just do this and you're not with this guy's girlfriend. And this guy got hired there, so all three of them working together

Starting point is 01:42:09 to become real close friends. And they're outside of, let's just say Wyatt Towns, I don't remember at this moment. It was like one o'clock in the morning, in the driveway, smoking cigarettes. And his friend, Ron, sees this light in the sky, real bright light. He's like, do you see that? And he's like, yeah. And so, they're like, let's go check it out and stuff.

Starting point is 01:42:29 So it's a UFO. And then he said, it seemed like it was about five minute drive away. And he said they drove, and they drove, and I think he said he didn't have shoes on. They weren't planning on going anywhere and they just couldn't catch up to this light. Now they're outside of town and this this lights they can still see the light but it's just they're not catching up to it and they pull over to this field and they get out of the car and he Wyatt said that he heard something moving and growling in like this cornfield like it was like he said it was like a deep guttural growl coming out the the the the the th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. they's th. they's th. they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they they they they they they they the the the the the the the they they thean they they they thean they thean they thean thean coming out of the cornfield. And so they get back in the car, they keep driving towards this light, and they're about an hour outside of town now, and

Starting point is 01:43:12 they stop the car again, they get out, and then all of a sudden his friend who a real lighthearted person, he knows him as just a real jovial kind of guy, and he says thured thured th is th is just th is just thus th is just thus th is just thus thus thus thus thus the thus thus thus the thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi thi thi thi thrieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee an thi. the car now. And so total mood change gets back in the car, and he starts flying back to town. And his friend Ron persists to tell him this story of what this thing is in the sky. And apparently this thing in the sky isn't a UFO, like a craft, but an entity that's coming for Ron. And so. What? Like, the reason, so he's, he, he, so he, so he, so he, so he, so he, so he, so he, so he, so he, so he's, so he's, so he's, so he's, so he's, so he's, so he's, so he's, so he's, so he's like, so he's like, so he's like, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this is, this is like, this is like, th. the. th. the. th. th. th. th. this, this, this's coming for Ron. And so like it the reason so he's like what are you talking about like it's this is a crazy story they's telling him but like he said the reason why

Starting point is 01:43:54 they went out so far is because Ron is like I got to make sure this is nothing to relate to me but at some point he realized what this thing was and it's like time to get back. And in the car he's apologizing to why. He's like, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to involve you. And he's like, involve me and what? What are you talking about? And so he tell them the story of, dude. You're telling me bonker stories. So Ron gives Wyatt his phone and calls the girlfriend.

Starting point is 01:44:32 And so Wyatt's on the phone, and all he says to her is, is it true? And she's like, if you're asking me if it's true, it means he told you, and yes, it's true. And so like his brain is popping because of what Ron just told him is going on. I'll tell you, and again I don't tell a story very often so I'm sorry if I'm but I'm but tell you what Ron told him essentially. Ron when he was a kid, let's say 12, 13, 14 years old, a young teenager, learned to have, he had this experience where I guess he thought at first it was a dream but it turned out it wasn't, where he was walking through a tunnel system and this tunnel system opened up into this this great big cavern and

Starting point is 01:45:18 there was an entity in there in this cavern and it was recruiting Ron to work for him. and Ron took up the challenge and he said yeah sure I will, I will. and it and it and it and it and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it he, and it was, and it was, and it was, and it was th, and it started, and it started, and it started, and it started, and it started. And it was th, it was th, it was th, it was th, it was th th. It was thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the, it was the, it was the, it was the, it was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thateateateateateateateateateateateateateateate thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi there in this cavern and it was recruiting Ron to work for him. And Ron took up the challenge and he said, yeah, sure, I will. And it started this whole process of him working for this entity in another realm. He thought it was a dream at first. So he sold the soul. I don't believe personally, I don't believe you could sell your soul. But yeah, he essentially sold his, his deeds, his work. He said, he said, he said, he said, I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I, he said, he said, he said, I, I, I, I, I, I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. He, he, he, he, he, he, he, he. th. th. th. th. th. He was. He was. th. He was. He was. He was. He was, he was. t. too. too. too. too. took, he was. took, he was. took, he was sold his his deeds, his work.

Starting point is 01:45:45 He said, he said, I'm your tool, I'm your vessel, let's do this. Oh my God, what are you doing? Right, so here's the thing. So it turns out it's very real, and according to Ron, and he can, the more he was involved in this, the more he was able to control where he was. And he could go to this other realm where he was working for this entity at a moment's notice and come back to this realm in a moment's notice. When he would do, there's different ways of going about doing it though. There's a, the dream state way, but then there's also in the moment way, and he can do both.

Starting point is 01:46:29 So when you're doing it in the dream state, it's simple really, I mean, I can't do it, but it's simple in the sense that he goes to sleep and he goes, like he goes there and then he comes back. When you're gone, time goes faster than here. So if he's gone five years in this other place, it's only a night here. But he'll have physical side effects, like, like he'll wake up and he'll look different, like almost like he was gone longer. And... Oh my god, that's like an episode of Rick and Mortis. There's an episode on Rick and Mortis where that basically is like a long,

Starting point is 01:47:12 unbelievable. So, so he, so all right, so when he does it, when he does this, um, in a moment's notice, he can't do it through a dream state, there's another being in another realm that has to replace him. And so when he does it in a moment's notice, it's always the same entity because this entity is meant for him will come through this realm. And when it comes through this realm, his friend will physically change into physically different.

Starting point is 01:47:49 So and he's seen this happen in person. So before I get into that part, when they, when they, when they got back that night, and after that whole incident with the light in the sky and he's laying it all out there, he's freaking out out of his mind.. And remember his friend was saying I'm sorry I involved you, I sorry I involved you. They get back to pulling the driveway, they get out of the car and as soon as his friend gets out of the car he just takes off and runs down the street, round the corner, gone. But he could hear his friend. And something happened where all he tha thuuu th. th. the th. the the th. the th. the the th. the th. the the th. the th. the the thu. the the th. the the thu. th. thu-hea, thu-hea, thi, their their thr- tho-in is is their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their is is their is their is their is their is their is their is their thu. I is thu. I was thu. I was thu. I will will will will will will will will will will will will will will. thooooooooooooe. I will will will will will will, thu. I was where all he heard was a guttural, growling, like vicious, like, interaction with something. And it sounded like something was dying.

Starting point is 01:48:35 And his friend comes back and he says that his friend is covered in this like black tarry substance. And so like, it sounds like his friend killed this thing, whatever it was, he doesn't know to this day. So like, this night for why it was like paradigm shifting. Like he's like, I don't know what real is anymore. And so he's talking to his friend about this all the time. He's like, tell me more, tell me more. And he was telling him stuff, but he was kind th th th th th he th he he he th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi th all the time. He's like, tell me more, tell me more, tell me more. And like he was telling him stuff, but he was kind of being reserved about it. And eventually,

Starting point is 01:49:09 he tells his friend, yeah, I can tell you this part. So eventually he tells his friend that, you know, he wants to know more. So his friend gives him a book. And he said, read this book because this book, this book, this book, this book, this book, this book, this book, this book, this book, this book, this book, this book, this book, this book, this book, this book, this book, this book, this book, this book, this book, this book, this book was written was written, this book, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they. Yeah, they. Yeah, they. Yeah, the the book, the book, the book, the book, the book, the book, the book, the book, the book, thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah, thi, thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, they. He, thi. He was he. He was he, he was hea, he was hea, he was, he was, he was. tell. tell, he, he, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was. tel. hea, he. the the this book because this book was written about me. It was written to be supposedly fiction, but it's me. And so he reads this book. And when I'm doing the interview with him, he were on video and he holds the book up. He has the book in his hands when I'm talking to him. And he said he read the whole book and it kind of laid out everything that his friend was telling him and in a lot more detail. And so I kind of store that my my thoughts. So I'll go into the more of the story here. So he at one point,

Starting point is 01:50:00 how do I say this? All right. So his friends, girlfriend that they worked together with, was approached by an entity as well to work for it. Her knowing what his friend or her boyfriend is going through and went through, she said no. However, Wyatt's brother, he's not very close with his brother at this time in their lives, and not very close, and his brother does not know any of his friends. Had a dream one night where he was going through a caverns and he was approached by an entity to work for him. And so his brother says yes. And this entity that his brother decided or not

Starting point is 01:50:42 decided to work for but said yeah he'd worked for goes by a very common name as in bail or ball. Oh my God. I know you've heard it a lot of people have heard this entity right so his brother at times will mention, like I had this really crazy dream, but it started getting more serious when his brother had a dream about kicking in a wall, pulling a book out of that wall, and when his brother wakes up, the books in his room. And he has no idea how it got there. And so it gets kind of like on the real side.

Starting point is 01:51:22 Long story short, his brother winds up cutting off from ball, thought he did it the best way he could or the proper way, whatever it is. I don't know how you stop working for gods in other realms. But, um, you gotta give two week notice? I know, right? Like, how do you, like, what's the proper way of saying I don't want to move on, just really appreciative of all the work. And you know, just, hey man, we're still cool, just, you know, just trying to do something different with my life.

Starting point is 01:51:52 Like, I know I told you I commit my soul to you, but I need that, you know, I need. You know, I need, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'll sign an N. to.. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah. I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. I. Yeah. I. Yeah. I. I. I. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. notice got my soul back. Listen, I'll sign an NDA, whatever you need, man. So, his brother had a, what he thought was a dream one night, and he wakes up screaming and why it runs the stairs, what's wrong? I just had a bad dream about these creatures that came and they were attacking me and scratching me all up.

Starting point is 01:52:23 And his brother turns around and there's these claw marks all over his back. And so he kind of freaks out. He calls his buddy Ron up and says, I need your help. Ron comes over to the house, and this is like early morning, two, three o'clock in the morning, pulls up in the driveway, it's cold outside, it's cold outside, and the thrown th, th, th, tho th, tho tho thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, that's thi, thi, thi, thi, that's thi, thr-in, thk, that's that's that's thr-in kind kind that's that's that's that's that's th. th. th. th. thi, th. And thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, that's that's that's that's that's that's thrown, that's thrown, thrown, thr-a. And, you know, it's about to get really weird for you and I just need you to stay calm. And he's like, okay. And he said at that moment Ron grew like seven, eight inches and became physically different. And what happened is that whole transformation where Ron went somewhere else and the other entity had to come here and replace him. And so while Ron's going to to try and replace him. And so while, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, it, th, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's th, it's th, it's to thi, it's to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th, th, th, th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi, it, thi, thi, thi, thi the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi thi thi thi thi, thi that whole transformation where Ron went somewhere else and the other entity had to come here and replace him. And so while Ron's going doing whatever he's doing, he's standing in his driveway with some

Starting point is 01:53:13 kind of demon thing from another realm. And so he's like it looked like Ron but not really it was like, it was like something. It was like men in black, remember the Eggersuit? Yeah, wait, so, so, so with this entity, right? Is he just going about his day and then all of a sudden, and he sucked up into Ron and then they just sit there? Wait, they work together.

Starting point is 01:53:37 So they, they work together. So this entity in this other realm, sole purpose is to work, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. So, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, this this entity, this entity, this entity, this entity, this entity, thi. to work for this bigger picture cause. So when Ron goes to this other realm, he's actually involved in this other realms like war that's going on. And so it's like this interdimensional purpose that this...I have so many questions, but I'll leave them for the end when you're done with the story. I don't want to interrupt it anymore. Yeah, and you might have questions that I have so many questions, but I'll leave them for the end when you're done with the story. I don't want to interrupt it anymore. Yeah, and you might have questions that I have still. So they go inside because it's freezing outside.

Starting point is 01:54:11 He said that when they went inside, his room was in like the basement, so the lower ceilings, he said that's when he really could see how much difference there was because this thing had a ducked th....... th. th. into his room, sits down and just kind of like stairs. And so he'll ask a question or something and it'll just be like, Ron will be back soon. And not talking, you know? So it's like, from the movie Monster Inc. Right? Oh yeah.

Starting point is 01:54:35 Oh yeah. It's hanging out with monsters from the closet. Is it menacing? I mean does it seem dangerous to them? I think it is with more information that I've that I've that I've that I've that I've that I've th.. that I've that I've th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. to to to be to be to be to be to be thi. to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. thooomome. thoome. thoomorrow. thooomorrow. thooomorrow. thoooomorrow. toe. toe. to does it seem dangerous to them? I think it is with more information that I've gathered now, but in that moment it wasn't. Do you think he just scrolls on Tick-Tock all day? Like, Ralph's? I wonder if he's set up like a tinder account here and, you know, in this realm, just for when he's... Chicks are so easy, bro.

Starting point is 01:55:00 Broome from they never give it up. Oh my God. So he said that he's sitting there and this thing just kind of, or Ron shrinks down into Ron's size again and it's Ron. And he's and he said he was very exhausted, tired and he said your brother's going to be fine now but I need to go home and rest because I'm exhausted. So there was that. And so now I have a guy who's telling me this story that not only is his friend telling him these weird, bizarre, fantastical things that his friends claiming he can do. Now I have this guy who's looking me in the eyes

Starting point is 01:55:36 saying, I've seen him do these things. So now I'm like, okay, so either you've you you you you've you you've you you you've you've you've you've you've you've you've you've you've thian you've thian you've seen you've seen you've seen you've seen you've seen you've seen you've seen you've seen yous or you're lying to me or you're straight crazy. And so we go through with this more this conversation. He shares more stuff. And we end the interview. But we're still talking. And I told him, I said, why I'm going to pursue this story more because it's so bizarre. And if I find out your line to me, I'm going to find you. Because it's such a good story. Like, I was like, this is such a good story, but I got to try following the leads here. Because I had something from that interview that I've never had before with one of these amazing stories. I had a book.

Starting point is 01:56:18 So he said that there was this book that he read that was written about his written, that he that he that he that he that he was written, that he was written, that that that that thiii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thrown, thrown, thrown, thi, thrown, thrown, thrown, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th he read that was written about his friend Ron. And so can you tell the name of the book? I can't. That I can't, okay? And I don't know if I'll ever be able to tell people what the name in the book is yet. So I, all right, let me, let's get to one part here. Let's get to one, let's get to one part here. The book. The book, there's only 15. T th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that I that I that I that I. I. I. I. I. I. I, that I that I that, that I that, that I that, that I that, that I that, that I that, that I can. that, that, that, that's that's th. that's th. that's that. that's that's that's that's that's that, that, that I can, that, that I can. Is it an old book? Can you say that? Is it a very old book? Not a very old book. Okay. Is it expensive? Is it like rare? Do people know it's out there? All right, so there's a little bit of a cult following with this book, but not much. And once once I drop this story, this book would be worth thousands of dollars So you're gonna name the book in the story right? I don't know if I can I don't know yet So like there's so many people involved now Okay, so I when I when we were done with this interview I told him I said listen I'm I'm gonna find that author and I need to talk to her and he's like good luck. I've been trying to find her for years. I'm to thin. th. he he he he he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he's he's he's he's he's he's he's like. he's like, he's like, he's like, their. their. their. their their their their their their their their. their. their their. their. their their their their their their their. their their. their. their their. their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their their. their. their. their. their. there's. there's. there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's like. there's there's there's there's like. there's like. there's like. there's like. I's like. I's like. I've been trying to find her for years. She's a ghost online. Within an hour, I found her.

Starting point is 01:57:25 And so that was like, why can't he find her, but I found her, right? So I start talking to her, I'm like, listen, I know this is an odd request, but do you have, or I can't find your book anywhere, can I get a copy from you? She said it's not in circulation anymore, that she had somebody tried killing her over it. And so they just kind of separated from it, right? And so I'm like, okay, I understand. I said, I know this sounds weird, but I'm a podcast, or I talked about the paranormal experiences,

Starting point is 01:58:03 and I have a guy that I interviewed tonight that said that he had experiences with the main character from your book and he suggested that the book was more real than fiction. And she basically brushed it off and she's like, yeah, that his friend, Ron was written, this book was written based off him, but it was all fiction and Ron started believing it. He's a schizophrenic and there's nothing to it other than he's Ron's crazy himself. And I'm like, all right, and my initial thought reaction was, make sense, you know, okay, and then I was like, well, why it says that he saw Ron do these things. And so I said to where I say, well, I hear you, but the the the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, and thin, and thin, thin, and thin, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, and th. th. And, and th. And, th. And, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thee, theee. He's theee. thee. theeeean, thean, thi. He's thin, thin, thin, Ron do these things. And so I said to her, I say, well, I hear you,

Starting point is 01:58:45 but the thing is, the guy I talked to tonight said that he saw Ron do these things. And when I told her that, her tune changed completely. And she's like, listen, the shit that I saw in and every time I get to the point where I'm forgetting about it I'm letting it go, somebody brings it back up. Does it come always comes back up in my life? And I was like, okay, things are changing here now and I, we went back and forth a little bit and I said to her, listen, I pretty sure the answer is going to be no, but would

Starting point is 01:59:18 you be willing to talk to you because I can't talk to a therapist about this stuff. And if you're going to sit and listen to me and believe what I have to say, I'll talk with you. And so two days later, I'm on Zoom with her, and we're talking face to face. And she spent two and a half with this guy than Wyatt was. She had way more experiences with him, way more interaction, and the interactions that she had with him were either the same interactions that Wyatt had or more detailed, more in depth. She was way more involved with this than what

Starting point is 02:00:02 what Wyatt was. Why it was a bystander that observed things. She was actively involved with this than why it was. Why it was a bystander that observed things. She was actively involved with this guy and the things they were doing. Now is your interview with her going to be for public consumption or is she going to keep that under the head? I think I can work it out because right now the way she stands is she didn't want to be on video. She didn't want what we were talking about to be released to the public. But then as we were talking, she did say that she might be open to talk to me on the record,

Starting point is 02:00:32 but she wouldn't want her face on video kind of thing like that. I told her that I was going to find Ron, and I did find Ron, and I want to to to tak to to to to to to to to to tak, to to to thun, thun, she begged me. She's like, please do not talk to him. Because if you talk to him, he has an ego to the size of a whale, and he's gonna open up the Pandora's box again and get this whole thing going. And so, I didn't promise her I wouldn't talk to Ron. And I get the sense that she, I don't think she would cut me off if I talk to Ron, but I want to make sure I utilize my contacts at this point wisely, and so I'm not talking to Ron right now, but I will tell you that there are things that Ron, or that the character in the book, written to be Ron,

Starting point is 02:01:21 talks about doing and physical characteristics that I found on Instagram and pictures in Ron's house. Oh, wow. And Ron, one of my favorite things about this is that Ron is just such a benign name. Right. His name is just Ron. Oh, Ron. All right. So, Ron is a very close resemblance.

Starting point is 02:01:42 So it's not really Ron. I can't remember if I'm allowed to say that his real name.. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they pictures, they pictures, they pictures, they pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures pictures, they they they they they they thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. I's thi. I's thiiiii. I's, thi. I'm, thi. I'm, thi. I'm, thi. I'm, thi. I'm, thi's not really Ron. I mean I can't remember if I if I'm allowed to say that his real name yet or not so that's why I said Ron. Well we're excited. We're excited for it all. Can I one thing? Now are you I have to use the bat. With Ron are you going to try if you do meet him to shoot him, that? Heck yeah! Okay, awesome.

Starting point is 02:02:07 Stop to ask that question? Well he wasn't sure he was even going to talk to him. So I mean, I want to talk to Ron. I want to get information. So, oh, let me tell you one more thing here. I know Sam you got pissed. Here, let's play his video while you go pay it, take a piss. I'm sure I'll be talking, bro when you come back.

Starting point is 02:02:28 So I, I did, me and my wife have been doing deep dives on this. Recently it's been time, you know, slowed down because we're buying the house. But I found people all over the world that either we found in the book first and found the real person in real life. Oh wow, okay. Or we found somebody who's almost putting a calling card out publicly that if you know, if you really know, then you know who they are. And I found a guy in South Africa who I believe is directly tied to this. And it makes it because he has a certain thing that he put in his name that's not his birth name but he only puts on certain things and what he puts it on is his artwork that he takes pictures so he takes pictures and he

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Starting point is 02:03:56 the arc like baseball stadium lights but they'll be positioned out over a lake or they'll be put put in like a mountain and it's all like black and white fogs and like it's just There are certain details that he that this guy has in his public profile that I'm like I'm pretty sure you're connected so I reached out to him and And he's not talking to me so Yeah, I don't I don't know if I'm ever gonna beto be able to talk to him. I really would like to talk to him. It seems like a nice guy. I just got married according to Facebook.

Starting point is 02:04:28 But so I'm like a online stocker now, these people. I'm trying to find them and talk with them. And not trying to make it sound as weird as possible. You know, I'm just try, I'm normal, I'm normal, I'm normal, I'm normal, I'm normal, I'm to to'm a cool kid. I'm sure my questions are some of the same questions. You asked them, I would think. What is this other place like, relative to our world? Is it similar in any way, or is it a lot different? So, all right.

Starting point is 02:04:57 I gotta tell you this too. All right. I'm getting excited, man. This is all bringing, I'm stoked about this, dude. This is great. So, there have been former guests on my show before Wyatt that have talked about things that Y, that talked to me about. And all of a sudden there's pieces of my show that's connecting like a puzzle. And one of the broad topics is, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, the the on this show before, is Nephilim. And Nephilim are talked about a lot in this other realm.

Starting point is 02:05:28 And they are, I guess in a very generic sense, you can say, almost like worker bees. Like, they, they're given tasks. Some of them will do, like, Ron talks about how he goes, he went through a physical surgery to the body in the other realm so he could do th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the to do the the the the to do the the the the the the to do th Ron talks about how he goes, he went through a physical surgery to transform his body in the other realm so he could do certain things that he just couldn't do otherwise. And there's medicine in the other realm. Surgery in another realm?

Starting point is 02:05:55 Yeah, yeah, like it was a very, like from what I understand, I didn't read the book, my wife read the book, she reads a lot better than me and she gives me the cliff notes. But from what I understand, it was like a very mystic type surgery. It wasn't just like cutting you open. Is it mapped onto the, to our world? Like is it like, you know how in, what's the show on Netflix shit where they go to the other place, you know, the upside down, what is that called? Stranger things. Is it like that where it's mapped onto our world or is it completely, you know, like another plane I guess? Do you see what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:06:30 I think it's like stranger things. And that's the way I've described it in the past when I was thinking about it and that's the way I visualize it. It's like a, like, part of me wants to believe,that it's like a mirror universe, mirror world or whatever, but then there's other parts of me that feel like what if there's a lot of people because so Ron, Ron had his, this, this author lady involved in this, but he also taught his friends how to do what he does and they would do these things together and there's so many details that go into that. But what if, what if this is actually is is is is actually is actually is actually is actually is actually is actually is actually is actually is actually is actually is actually is actually is actually is actually is actually is actually is actually is actually is actually is actually is actually is actually is actually is actually this is actually this is actually this is actually this is actually this is actually this is actually this is actually this is th is th is th is th is th is actually th is actually thi is thi. thi. thi. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that. But what if this is actually something that's not,

Starting point is 02:07:07 like it's more common than what I'm even giving a credit for? What if like there's multiple, many mirror worlds, and they go by different names, but people are experienced to this all over the place? I totally believe that, dude. It might be, it might be the case. And so, I'm trying to keep my mind mind to to keep to keep to keep to keep my mind to keep my mind to keep to keep my mind to keep to keep my mind to and so I'm trying to keep my mind as open as possible approaching this but my show is directly linked to some of this because I had a guy on I remember correctly it was episode 309 I called it the predator and what happened was I do the public show

Starting point is 02:07:42 and then sometimes I'll do an extra hour if somebody has more to to talk about and we'll make that for members only on the I do the public show and then sometimes I'll do an extra hour if somebody has more to talk about and we'll make that for members only on the website. So the first hour he's talking about, this guy was in a 1% biker gang. And from what I understand, it's like, they call it 1% biker gangs that are actually, the ruthless, you know, thii, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the the, the the, thi, thi, thi, the, thi, the, thi, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. thi, thi, the the the the the the thi, the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and, thi, and, thi...... thi. thi. thri. thri. thri. thri. thri. thri. theeei. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. was part of that kind of culture. He, he, he actually got kicked out of the gang

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Starting point is 02:09:25 Yeah. Anyways, so he so he tells me this story though about before he got put in jail, how he he went, he was with his girlfriend and they were having sex and like they're in the middle of having sex and all of a sudden he's not there anymore. He's walking through this tunnel system that opens up into a big throne room. He said that when he entered this room, it said you're now entering the throne room. And there was a being in there recruiting him to work for it. And he said, no man, he's not interested in stuff. This being, he never got the name, but he said it was like in a three-piece suit.

Starting point is 02:10:12 He said it was the most, and again, remember, this is a 1% biker guy. He's a tough dude. And he said that this being was one of the most beautiful beings he's ever seen in his life. Like, like if I remember correctly beautiful eyes, and this, this, this entity was trying to recruit him and offering him, you know, things like he said in a moment's notice. He was all of a sudden in a bed with like a blonde, a brunette and, and, uh, I don't know, like there's three women. The rainbow. Sounds like the angel of light sounds like. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. th. th. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. this. this. this. this. this. This this this this this. This this. This this. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. th. th. th. This. th. th. th. This. th. th. th. th. th. th. This. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this. this like there's three women. The rainbow dog, the rainbow. Sounds like the angel of light, right? Sounds like, sounds like what Magic Johnson used to do, called the rainbow, dog. I mean, the being sounds like the angel of light, right?

Starting point is 02:10:54 So he, so he basically says no, and all of a sudden he's back in his bed and not having sex. He sits up, she slaps him across the face, don't you ever do that to me again. He's like, what are you talking about? I don't remember anything. Like, she was pissed. And when I got this story from Wyatt, and I heard Wyatt talking about this tunnel system

Starting point is 02:11:16 that his friend walked through, opening this that I talked to before and I shared with him this whole story and I actually shared with him the recordings and stuff so you could get detail of it. He goes with his wife, his wife now and contacts his ex-girlfriend. They have lunch and he recorded about five minutes of her telling him what happened at night. When he went somewhere else, what did she experience? Oh, wow. And what she experienced that night was some kind of like, it was like he was taken over by a demonic entity.

Starting point is 02:11:52 And it was like a game. She was like, he was walking her through different rooms. And each room was like a different level for him. And then, and then at one point he even said to her, you're now coming into the throne room. And like, like, she, like there was this whole interaction that she experienced with him that he doesn't have any recollection and he recorded that, he sent that to me. And so like there's that angle of things. Now let me just tell you this because I want to make this point because I thi thi this this th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the thi. I thi their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. I their. I their. I thi. I thi. thi. thi. theeean. thean. thean. tean. tean. try. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. theeean. I've teased this all over the place. It's very complex. It's evolving. It's growing. It's crazy story. What really puts me in this position where I'm like, I really think there's something to this is why it tells me this story last year,

Starting point is 02:12:39 late last year. I started the podcast, and I dropped my first episode, January 19th, 2017. The book that Wyatt had, that I have in my possession now, right now it's up in my bedroom, has a copyright on it of 2012 when this girl wrote this book. So this book, with all this information that's why it's telling me, that's pairing up to my show of stories that we've had on the show before was written before my show exists. And so it's like, how do I get around that? Like, because I was trying to think, like, is Wyatt lying to me? Did he team up with this author, lady, and they're just trying to pull one over to me,

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Starting point is 02:13:49 I'm going to create a whole other podcast for this. So that way, like, because it's multiple episodes. And it doesn't get diluted with all the other stories and stuff from the confessionals. And we're going to, we're going to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to. to. to. to. to. their their their to. too. too. too. tooomkoomkoomkoomkoomk. the other the other the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. the other. tell. tell. tell. tell. to. toe. toe. to. tooo. toe. tooo. toe. toooooo. toe. toe. toe. their. And we're gonna tell the story, we're gonna do interviews where we can, we're gonna tackle different topics and categories like Dogman because they talk about lichen in this other realm and and lichen being a werewolf. And Ron in the book, so a big part of this book was literally her transcribing recorded conversations she had with Ron of her, to him telling her about of this book was literally her transcribing recorded conversations she had with Ron,

Starting point is 02:14:26 of him telling her about all this. And so, a part of that part of the book, he says that Lichen, which we would see visually as like a dogman were were also bigfoot. And I'm just like, what the heck? Like, you know, like, and so like this, this story, this whole thing has so many angles. Like, like, why, why is, why is bail involved here? And bail is actually one of seven, one of the seven brothers? What are the seven brothers? And then there's this head entity that directs these entities? What is his name? I'm not gonna say right now. I, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I, like, like, I, like, like, I, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I the the the the the the the the the the the they. I th. I this, I'm this, I'm this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like's this head entity that directs these entities. What is his, like I know his name, I'm not gonna say right now, but I'll tell you after, but like, it like this,

Starting point is 02:15:11 there's this head, there's this hierarchy that we hear pieces up in this realm for, for generations. But it's like what we heard like of ball, like what I know of ball is a problem. But in this realm, ball is like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's just, he's like, he's just, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, I's like, I's like, I's in this realm, Ball's like, yo, he's just like, he's just one of the dudes. Like, he ain't nothing special. And so, like, what is all this stuff? It's like, all the time to get the Nephalum. Why are the nephalm in this other realm? Why are they called nephal. I don't understand it all. And I really want to talk to Ron. I really want to talk to Ron.

Starting point is 02:15:45 But from what I understand from her and even Wyatt, it's like opening Pandora's box with him. He's like apparently he's run away from it, trying to get away. And by me approaching him and trying to get more information I have, and might open that box. And some fear that by doing that could that by that by that by that by that by doing that by doing that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that doing that could reign some serious hell on earth kind of thing, which really wouldn't be that bad compared to what we have already.

Starting point is 02:16:07 So it's not a good mind. Maybe that's already happening. My last question is this. What is their interest in human workers? Is there some unique quality to humans that they prize? That's a good question that I'm not totally sure of. Now from the book there is a war going on in this other realm that Ron was highly involved in and there were times that Ron would go to the other realm not knowing if he's

Starting point is 02:16:34 going to make it back here. So I think the purpose, I don't know man, I really don't know. What would happen in that case do you think? Would this other, would the other entity just be stuck in his body? How does that work? So, uh, I don't know about that side, but I can tell you this, um, if the entity on that side dies, the person on this side can no longer access that realm. Fascinating, okay. So they've th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th w w w w w w w w w w w wiette th th th th th th, okay. So they've been bound in some way. So Wyatt met some of Iran's friends that could do this stuff. And one of the guys, he like, and why it's like a kid, he's like, so tell me, tell me, tell me, and they're just like, bro, calm down, you know. And they were, they were very like standoffish. They didn't want to talk about it. But the one the one the one the one the one the one the one. But the one. But the one. But the one. But the one the one. But the one. But the one. But the one. But the one. But the one. But the one the one the one the one the one the one the one guy he one guy he one. he. he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. th. to. to. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. He's th. He's th. totalk to couldn't access the other realm anymore because of that exact situation. Like his entity died over there.

Starting point is 02:17:27 So these entities can die. And so I- So crazy. And were his friends, were they all recruited in the same way or did some of them seek it out? Did you know? Well, as far as Ron's friends go, they were, from what I understand, they were all involved because of Ron. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, down to the author. I can't wait to hear all of this.

Starting point is 02:17:48 Yeah, I can't wait to hear it all. I want to know it to put it all together. Dude, I want to know what his book is. Make it an audio book. Are there only 15 copies because those are all that survive? Or was it just an incredibly limited release by her. So she had it at full circulation on Amazon at one time. And when the person tried killing her and it got serious, they had all the copies pulled off market.

Starting point is 02:18:15 And she went around, and it wasn't a popular book to begin with, it was her first book. So she went around trying to get all the copies, you know, different family members and stuff like that. But according to her calculation, she believes there's about 15 books in circulation because like one I have because Wyatt gave it to me and Ron gave it to Wyatt. And then the other ones are like, she mentioned about like, there's certain family members she doesn't talk to anymore and they have a copy kind of thing but from what she's gathered and and understands there's like 15 copies available still somewhere. It's super interesting. She even told what she tell me she said because

Starting point is 02:18:57 when I told her I had the book I forget what she offered me but she offered me something for the book like she's like I want. I'm like, I don't know about that. I'm gone. Tony, you crushed it. Big time. Big time episode, big time crush. Total, total banger. I could do another hour.

Starting point is 02:19:18 Banger. We'll do again soon. We'll do part thi. . I, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, tho, to, to, to, to, too, too, to, too, to, too, too, too, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, too, too, too, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony, Tony. Tone, Tony. Tone, Tony. Tone, Tony. Tone, Tony. Tone, Tony. to, Tony. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, toa, toa, toa, toa, toa, toa, toa, toa, too, too want to know what the fuck the name of that book is, bro. I'm all interested in that. But we'll make it happen. Tony, one more time where they can find you. Yeah, the Confessionals podcast is my main home.

Starting point is 02:19:33 And I'm now venturing into building a media company. It's called Merkel Media. And I'm going to be doing documentaries. I produce other people's podcast. Like you guys are familiar with Charlie Robinson, Macrogressions. I produce this podcast. And I just, I'm doing a lot of things. Like I'm gonna be trying to do comic books, kids cartoons. I mean, the idea is, I got the idea from Tim pull, to be honest with you. Like, Tim is trying to create culture. And I'm like, I want to to do the same to do to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do to do the to do the the the try. I'm try. I'm thoomk. I'm thoom, thoom, thoom, thoom, thoom cooom cooom cooom. I thoom coo. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I'm going to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to do. I'm going to do. I'm going to do. I'm going to do. I'm going try. I'm going try. I'm going try. I'm going try. I'm going try. I'm going try. I'm going try. I'm going try. book with, I want to make a kid show with you. Let's do it.

Starting point is 02:20:05 Like, I, like, I, like, I, I, I want to do so much stuff. And so that's going to be all through Merkel media. But the documentaries, the show, the documentary series is called Legion of Legends. Legmen, it's the first one, and that's where we're gonna be doing all our crazy documentaries and stuff. And Expedition Dogman is the first one that we're coming out with. It's dropping on YouTube this Friday night, March 25th, so maybe it will be already aired by the time this goes,

Starting point is 02:20:32 but it'll be on the- This goes right out, brother. Ha ha ha. Okay, well, turn and burn. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. the. It's. the. the. the. the. the. th. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. th. th. th. th. to. the Confessionals YouTube channel and this Friday night at 9 p.m. Eastern Time it is the only documentary we're gonna do where it's gonna be on YouTube we're just doing the first one for like we're for drug dealers you know the first one's free the rest you got to pay for so yeah we're working out a great website bro you have a great website I appreciate it my wife made a lot of those designs. Well, tell your wife she's killing the game. Yes sir.

Starting point is 02:21:06 Yes, sir. Well, anytime you want to come back on, just hit us up and we'll make it happen. You're killing the game. I'm super happy for you. You know, I'm nobody but super proud of you. And dude, you, good luck. to the today. . Keep going and dude you're just really owning your space and that's great to see dude.

Starting point is 02:21:25 Thanks for coming out. I really do appreciate you. I'm glad I was here man. Thanks. Hey guys, hope to see you in Arizona this weekend and then Texas is coming up right after. Come get weird, bro, come get weird. We love you very much. Thank you for your support.

Starting point is 02:21:40 Grab your ticket to Sam Tripoli.com and we'll talk to you soon. Take care. Wake up, Aaron! This is only the beginning. You just blew my mind. Tim foil hack.

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