Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #561: The Masonic Occult Symbolism Of Walt Disney with The Paranoid American Thomas Gorence

Starting point is 00:00:00 Timfoil Hat. Oh, what the fuck are you guys even talking about? Global controls will have to be imposed, and a world governing body will be created to enforce them. Welcome to Tinfoil Half. We go deep, home boy. Eric, open your mic. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. Aaron, open your mind.

Starting point is 00:00:28 Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional mind. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. There's, you just blew my mind. Good morning, to tomorrow. And ready to get your mind done? Good morning, Sparge. And welcome the Timful Hat. You know I am.

Starting point is 00:00:50 You know what I'm here to do. I'm here to rock. Joining me as always my good friend Xavier Guerrero and J. Nice. Johnny Woodard. Guys, how are you doing today? Great, great, great. Good show today. It was a lot of fun. We go deep, deep, deep, deep into the Freemason occult symbolism He's fun to talk to and I think it's an interesting top and I'm glad we did it because I I think it's very important to talk about what's going on Disney. And I think you'll I think you'll get a good understanding that this new quote unquote satanic entertainment or whatever you want to call it, isn't new. It's not just coming out. It was actually way more blatant back in the day. So I hope you guys enjoy all of this this third episode we did this week. Guys, this weekend or actually tonight when this comes out, we will be in Chicago actually Aurora, Illinois. We have an 8 p.m. show that's pretty much sold out and we'll have a second show at 10 p.m. That's a swarm tank. You can come up and ask any questions you want of anybody on the panel.

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Starting point is 00:03:56 Let's go. This is a great show. You know, it's a good time. It's a fun show show almost two hours. Enjoy it. All right, I'm super excited about doing this episode, man. I've been wanting to do an episode on this for a while. And Mark, the booker, Mark, Steve, was nice enough to pull a rabbit out of his hat. This gentleman's here. He's a coder.

Starting point is 00:04:28 He's a comic book enthusiast. He has his own comic book line. Very excited to have him. Please welcome the paranoid American. Thomas Gorins. How are you, brother? Hey guys, thank you so much for coming on. How did you and Mark hook up?

Starting point is 00:04:46 Man, I'm not 100% sure, but I know that I've been talking to Mark for quite a while and I cut a special edition comic for him not too long ago about skull and bones. I won't get too much more into that one. I've been talking to him for, I think over a year at some point. Well, that's great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great thua that's great th. I'm that's th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm to to to to to to to to to too. I'm too. I'm too. I'm too to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me. I'm to me. I'm to me. I'm to me. I'm to me. I'm to me. I'm to me. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to a year at some point. Well that's great dude and I'm glad he could make this happen and so if our listeners wanted to find you where's the best place to find you? So right now Paranoid American.com that's my website you can read a bunch of comics for free. Also on Amazon I'm just starting to dip my toe in so if you search and go to like page, you know, 900 or whatever it is, but if you search Paranoid American on Amazon,

Starting point is 00:05:25 you'll find some comics, some coloring books. I got a children's book about chem trails, all kinds of like funny, wacky stuff that you'll find on there. And then on Instagram's my only social media, paranoid American on Instagram. All right, man, well, we're gonna make sure to include all that in the description. I love the name Paranoid American. Can you tell us why you went with that? Man, I was debating a whole bunch of different names

Starting point is 00:05:51 and I got to give credit to my girlfriend that came up with that, but she was kind of making it as a joke because it kind of represented me. I'm sort of like a stereotypical American, went into the military, gun nut, sort of, you know, pro second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and, the, and, and, the, and, the, and, the, and, and, the, the, the, and, the, and, the, and, and, the, and I... the, the, the, I. the, I. the, I. the, I. the, I. the, I. the the the the the th. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to, to, to, to, to, to, the the the the the the the the the, gun nut, sort of, you know, pro, second first, every amendment. And then I've been a conspiracy theorist since I was at least nine or ten years old. So it just kind of like all those pieces fit together and when she said it, it made perfect sense. All right guys, it's spring, that's right. And you know what? That's the show is brought to you by our good friends at Blue Chu. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's ti. It's ti. It's ti. It's ti. It's ti. It's ti. It's ti. ti. ti. ti. It's ti. ti. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their. to the their. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the t. ti. to. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. today. ti. ti. today. to. to. to. t right, today's show is brought to you by our good friends at Blu Chu. It's time to dig yourself out of the winter hibernation.

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Starting point is 00:09:08 because the story, it's not the end of the story, let's hope, but it's like where we're at is pretty fucking good. And I'm very thankful for my parents. Nobody's perfect. They did a great job and I'm very blessed. And I hope I could be the same kind of parent. What level of paranoia are you talking about being raised then? I mean my father. Like a Bavarian Illuminati conspiracy?

Starting point is 00:09:30 Well, yeah, my father didn't trust anything. Always said that, but my father used to give me mob advice when it came to how to deal with people like, don't believe anything you hear enough, a half of what you see. Somebody fucks you. They're their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. I's is thi. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I their their their. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I's. I's. I'm. I's. I'm. I'm. I'm th. I'm t. I'm t. I'm t. I'm t. I'm. t. t. t. t. t. t. t t. t. t t t t t with you they're jealous of you and all this kind of craziness So you know I was listening to our to fear on Joe Rogan. He's like you know in this video of Sam This is pre conspiracy Sam, and I'm like there's never you never met pre conspiracy Sam Sam Sam's always been conspiracy. It just what I I realize I didn't realize anyone wanted to hear me talk about it It wasn't later on I had a falling out On the show before this and I was like what do I want to talk about you know, it's like I love conspiracies. I think I'm gonna talk and it just, you know, here we are But I love it. I love that it's called parent you call yourself paranoid American and there's an old Will Smith movie

Starting point is 00:10:27 And and the tagline on the movie poster I think was like it's not paranoia If they're really coming after you it's enemy with the state and yeah, and I oh that always resonated with me. I go. Yeah, and I always always resonated with me. I go. Yeah, dude. That's the most true shit, and it's like, it's like. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the movie. the movie. the movie. the movie. the movie. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta's the most true shit. And it's like it's not paranoia, because we know it's really happening. And we know all this crazy stuff's going on. And so now that you've been like kind of on your journey and we'll get into our discussion, but do you kind of like laugh at the name because it's like, I'm a paranoid American, or are you just an American? I embrace it fully, like, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm a paranoid American or are you just an American? I embrace it fully. Like I'm paranoid by nature, sort of like you. But I'm also, you know, I'm self-profess kind of ignorant American. I don't know a whole lot when it gets to like international matters and like ancient world history,

Starting point is 00:11:18 but I am more than fascinated in American history and anything like Americana specific. I try to branch out, right? I don't just like close the rest of the world off, but for whatever reason, man, like I was grown up in front of a TV, you know, I grew up on like Nickelodeon and 80s cartoons and like, like pop culture media was my main input, you know, and we were talking about before this that I'm kind of like a coder by nature. So I mean, if there was ever like an experiment on what happens when a kid grows up in front of a TV or computer screen their whole life, like I'm probably I'm the one, you know. It's very interesting because I have children right now that are two

Starting point is 00:11:58 and they watch degrees of television and one really loves the play video games already and part of me is like it's too much screen time but I also know that like the future is screen time everybody I mean it really is we're just gonna keep going more and more into screen time and I very much remember my father discussing with me you know hey dude stop playing video games all the time you're never gonna be able to make money on it and I just want to be like to to be like to be like to be like to be like to be like to be like to be like to be like to be like to be like to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too too to be too too too to be too to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to too much much too much too much too much too much too much too dude, stop playing video games all the time. You're never going to be able to make money on it. And I just want to be like go back and time going, oh, there's so much money in it. And you play the wrong. And look at this Twitch guy that's making more than I ever made right now.

Starting point is 00:12:37 Right. So crazy. And by the way, dude, I just, as we were talking, I checked out your website, I really like your art, man. And I like that you have like what it looks like to me, maybe different styles of art. Well, to be clear, I'm a writer, and I've been writing and creating the concepts, but I pretty much hire out all the arts, so all the art. So all the art you see on there is something that I wrote and I've had to find the right artist for it and kind of bring it all together. What are they using?

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Starting point is 00:13:47 I have a whole bunch of ideas and I don't know. This will lead us into our fun conversation because today we're going to talk about Disney and the dark, the dark history of Disney or the occult history of Disney. I say it's dark because I think if most people would know about it, right, they would have a view of, and maybe I'm wrong, I shouldn't call it dark. I don't know, but I think like where we are right now with these meetings at these, these, these zoom meetings where people are getting busted saying crazy stuff and they're like, we want 50% of our characters to be gay and I'm like, what? Is that like, there's not enough their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thirty. thirty. thirty, th. th. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm th. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, th. I'm, thi. I'm t. I'm t. I'm t. I'm t. I'm t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t th. gay. And I'm like, what? Is that like, there's not enough gay people in the world to represent that kind of percentage of your characters. But you know, I mean, I've been watching a lot of like, obviously, a two-year-olds and we

Starting point is 00:14:37 watch, you know, they're, they're programming and what they're watching. And that's the word programming, right? But their TV shows and, you know, some of these dudes, man, who are on these kids shows give me bad vibes, man. They just have this weird. That's understandable, but Disney specifically, I'm curious, especially because I'm not a parent, but I'm curious, like how impossible would it be to isolate anything

Starting point is 00:15:07 Disney away from your kids. It seems like it would be, you know, futile to even try. To be honest with you, there's so much amazing, and I say amazing that meaning that high high production value stuff on YouTube that you could almost stay on YouTube, but Disney is a big, big factor. I mean, because, I, that, that, thi, thi, that, thi, that, that, thi, thi, that, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thi, thi, anything, anything, anything, anything, anything, anything, anything, anything, anything, anything, anything, anything, anything, anything, anything, anything, anything, anything, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi, thi, to thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th on YouTube, but at Disney is a big, big factor. I mean because Disney is really good at going, here's some stuff for you and here's some stuff for parents. The kids can watch too. So it's like, you watch some kids show, you're like, okay, I'm being dumbed down right now because it's so elementary, but you know, it is hard and they're super smart and how they're operating, but I do feel like they've overreached and the words out right now, right? I mean, I mean, and when the things hit, the things hit like frozen,

Starting point is 00:15:58 I knew that fucking song and I've never seen frozen. And then I ended up watching the, what's that Mexican movie movie with, the the the the the th. That, th. That, th. That, th. C. C. C. C. C. It. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's, th. It's. It's, th. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th ended up watching the, uh, what's that Mexican movie with, the Day of the Dead? That makes you cry, Coco? Uh, yeah, yeah, no what you're talking about, yeah. That one's a sad one. So I mean, eventually after hearing so thin thin. the things about him, you're like, fuck it. All that Disney, I'll let Disney have my fucking $10. But I mean, some of it's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that, that's, that's, that, that's, that's. that's. that's. that's, that's that's that. that's that's that's that's that. that. that, that. that. that. that. that's, that's, that's, that's. that's, that's, that's. Yeah, that. Yeah, that. Yeah, that. Yeah, that. Yeah, that. Yeah, that. Yeah, that. Yeah, that. Yeah, that. Yeah, that. Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's. that's that's that's that's that's th. that's th. that's th. th. that's th. thi. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. th at the end of the day. I mean you can hate on it because some of it. I mean we watch this Pinocchio thing with it's like knowing all that we know now. It's super dark but I understand what you're saying actually because you know I said the same statement that they like would you let you let your let your daughters watch Pinocchio. It's a staple if they're going to go to that they're going to ask you to go you're not going to throw in Pinocchio be like this is why we go on this ride and I'm not telling you to be like hey don't watch this part or little give them a little bit of awareness.

Starting point is 00:16:56 But if you brought them all the way to Disney someone where they kid at the kids and have turning them out. When you take him to Disney and I like at seven, eight, I don't know when you tell kids like this movie, there's some narrative behind this movie. That is going to be a big thing because, you know, you know, you talked Eddie Bravo all and he's just like, you know, with my kids, I blew pill. And I thirty, and I, and I, and I, and I, th. And I, th. And I, th. And I, th. And I, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, th. th. It, th. T, th. T, th. T, they's, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. th. th. th. they're, th. they're, hey, hey, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, took, took, they're, they're, took, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, just like, you know, with my kids, I blue pill, I blue pill, and I think there is a little bit of that that you somewhat have to do because are you, I mean, if we're going around, where, like, let's say I decided, okay, I'll go to Disneyland and, and then there's, you know, this super creep around, I'm not going to be like blue pill it, like, thii. I I, I, I, I, I, I, I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm, I'm thin, I'm, I'm thin, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, th. th. th. th. th. thin, thin, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Are, th. Are, th. Are, th. Are, th. Are, th. Are, th. Are, th. Are, th. Are, th. Are, th. Are, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tha. th. th. tha. tha. th. th. th. th. ing mother fuckers right but if they just want to ride the teacup ride I'm not gonna

Starting point is 00:17:49 be like you know what this really represents or anything like that right I mean it's kind of you know let let it happen until something happens then well I like you brought up a dark right dark versus maybe a cold or esoteric because it's and to me this might put me in some camp that I'm not trying to put myself in but to me like dark is a very puritanical Roman Catholic way of looking at things in a very black and white manner right so usually dark is talking about how the the papacy sort of discredited any sort of folk magic at a certain point. And I was even like that originally.

Starting point is 00:18:28 It was like sometime in the Middle Ages, they were like, all all witchcraft and all kind of like common folk magic is now banned. But it didn't start like that because they kind of had to lean into it. And I kind of feel a lot of the rhetoric about things being evil and satanic and dark about Disney. Some some th th th th th th th th th th th th some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some some th th th lot of the rhetoric about things being evil and satanic and dark about Disney. Some of it you can make a really strong case for, but a lot of it too, I think comes from this very puritanical aspect of things of, you know, almost like a Bible-thumping aspect and not necessarily talking just about the occult aspects, which to me is the most fascinating part, because you can trace the lineage of all sorts of the cult influences.

Starting point is 00:19:05 You know, when we've talked about us before on the show, you know, we've talked about what a cult actually means versus what people's perception of it means, right? And the cult is like hidden knowledge, right? And what people think it is is like dark art, secret societies, you know? And when we put dark and light, I think that for me is, what is the intentions? What are the intentions of these things and of these actions? And I think like when you, when you go back and you look at Pinocchio and like what was in that that is a very

Starting point is 00:19:48 look at I'm gonna blow some some minds hopefully on some new information that you guys haven't heard about Pinocchio. Okay. So I'm I know people like to let them talk so where do you want to begin? So I'll throw this out there. This is not an appeal to authority or anything, but I've got a unique experience where I actually worked at Disney, I worked at Disney World Hollywood Studios in the animation building for about 10 years. Before they demolished it and I think made room for a Star Wars ride that's back there now. But I kind of, I didn't, I wasn't an animator myself, I did digital animation, not the hand-to-hand animation, but I worked in the exact room that those animators were working on, like, you know, back in the day, at least the Orlando studio, and the,

Starting point is 00:20:29 the place we worked was called the Fishbowl. And if anyone had ever been to Orlando, all Disney World, and maybe the late 80s, maybe really early 90s, and you took like the back-lot tram tour, and it, and the the the thethey called the Fish Bowl. So that was the little place I worked in. So a lot of the people that I worked with, they had been cast members when Disney World had like first started, and I came into the company, you know, Young Buck right out of school, and they've been like, oh, geez, getting ready to retire. So a lot of them knew, like, the stories about people that work directly with Walt. And I remember all kinds of cool stories that got me really interested in it, where he would go into the studio after hours when people went away and he would go through everybody's desks, all the animators, and he would look to see if they were like sketching, you know, extra curricular stuff coming up with their own ideas. And if they weren't, he would fire him or he would like put him on a the the it was almost this mentality of, you know, not in addition to your work, you always

Starting point is 00:21:28 got to be creative, growing, like doing more stuff. Hold on, if they weren't doing extra stuff, he got angry? Correct, yeah. Wow. And it was just his mentality. I mean, he was a slave driver in almost every sense of the world when it came to managing his animators and he was cutthroat businessman. But anyways, I mentioned all this because I kind of grew up and cut my teeth doing animation and doing post-production right there on the property and hearing all sorts of tales.

Starting point is 00:21:58 It was almost like the ghost of him was wandering around sometimes. So it was it was an interesting sort of a career move to kind of like cut my teeth in the real world. So th. It th. It th. It th. It was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. thi thi, thi, thi, thi, throat, throat, throat throat, throat, throat, throat, th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th. I, th. But, th. But, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, thi. I was, thi. I'm, thi. I'm, thi. I'm, thi. I'm, thi. I'm, thi. I'm, thi. I'm, thi. I'm, thi. I'm, thi. I'm, it was an interesting sort of, you know, career move to kind of like cut my teeth in the real world. So that's my point of view coming from it. And then like I said, I grew up as a conspiracy theorist. So even going in, I had already heard about all the project monarch and Disney programming and you know, any conspiracy theory you've heard of, I went into Disney already with that in my mind. And you know, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. thi thi thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, to to to, to, to to to, to to, to, to, to, to, to, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, th to, toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. th. th. th. you've heard of, I went into Disney already with that in my mind, and you know, did my best kind of try to spread it around. And at some point I think I realize, man, I'm a conspiracy theorist and I'm working with these great artists and animators and other writers, like how come I don't just

Starting point is 00:22:35 connect the dots? Like I'm working right next to this great artist. Why don't I have them do something about skull and bones and have this guy do a comic about the Federal Reserve and it kind of just like blossomed out from there. I love it, dude. I love it. I love all of it. That's why I want to talk to you about some ideas I have. So real quick, did you never really saw anything I have.

Starting point is 00:22:54 So you never really saw anything that was, you mean, it was like when I went to work, I had to go through like a security gate and I had a little like, you know, past it buzzed me in and everything. But the one thing, this might not be weird, but I put up a huge stink. I had a beard at the time and I didn't want to shave it because I looked like a weird to the weird to the the the their toub. their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. th. the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. th. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. It. It. I their. It. I their. I their. I their. I their. the the the the the the the the the their. the the the the the their the the the their their their their. their. thes into a weird shape. And they have, and I never was a cast member, meaning that I never went on to the actual park and like interacted with people. I just worked in this production studio, but for whatever reason, since I had to go through the park and get my past taken, I didn't want to shave my face, and I kept pushing back to shave his face? And then he came running to me like, why did Michael Eisen there just call me directly about

Starting point is 00:23:48 your peers? So, I shaved that off, but it's crazy. And I found out that there was two interesting components of that. One is that the reason for that is that they want't want to see changing facial features and like people in the park, kind of keeping up with trends. They want it to be timeless. So like the picture with your, you know, you and your grandkids. It's like playing from their damn Yankee.

Starting point is 00:24:18 And so, and man, there's this like ever-going theme of sort of rebirth and immortality that's persistent through all of this Disney magic and that's just one of the tiny aspects of it. Do they ever tell you where the ice cooler with Walt Disney's head is? I love the theory but I'm pretty sure that there's nothing really accurate to that one. Do you recall and can you share any of the stories you heard that you said were? One of the cool ones and this is kind of related tangentially to the whole Reedy Creek, you know, what is it? DeSantis is like, is getting rid of their special district. So one of the things, and this is probably just a rumor, they tree from a lot of people is that another benefit of them having Reedy Creek with their own fire department, their own police

Starting point is 00:25:08 department is that technically, anyone here's seen the, everyone's probably seen the wire, right? And yeah. I live in battle of like, so they the dead body and the statistics and everything. So there's this component of Disney that if you died on the park or died somewhere in property, since they had their own police and their own EMS, their own fire department, they could essentially escort you off, like don't declare you dead on park, get you off their park, theypick, to keep their statistics to be like no one's ever died in our park or it's you know single digit people that have ever died. So that's and that one I like because it's such a practical and like easy to understand thing that they absolutely probably did but I mean I don't have any proof. No it is crazy and to think like oh that's so that's so wrong that's so disgusting.

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Starting point is 00:26:57 didn't have believed me and of course it's true where they would they do the math, what's going to cost more? Recall or going to court. If it's to go to court, they're not to to to recall their their their not their not their not their not their not their not their not their not their not their not their not their not their not their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the. the. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. th. th. th. thiol the court? If it's cheaper to go to court, they're not going to recall it. So the notion that they would, that they would totally just move that person off a fucking roller coaster to the fucking entrance of Disneyland, like that scene from blood sport where they're like Tom Poe cripples Van Dam's brother and they just throw them outside like it's nothing. It totally makes sense to me. I mean, they also say it happens at music festivals. That someone will OD and all you gotta do is make sure they get to the hospital before

Starting point is 00:27:38 they technically die at the festival. Yeah, same shit. It's like technically they didn't die at the festival. Yeah, yeah. Same shit. It's like technically they didn't die there. So imagine that festival owns the city that they're performing in and pays all the police and pays all the firemen. Oh, how about Coachella? Coachella? You don't think someone kind of maybe dies at Coachella

Starting point is 00:27:53 and Cochella's not gonna say anyone died there. the most like secret things I might have heard of. The other one that I haven't been able to confirm independently, but the guy that I worked for, his dad worked directly with Walt and from my understanding, they hired a military contractor that built military bases in order to build Walt Disney World. So the way that it's all laid out, if you look from an aerial point of view, you can almost map it directly to a military base. Well, no, you mean it's meant to be like a defensible? Is that what you mean? I mean, honestly, if I'm a more rational, practical, I tend not to like jump out. So I figure that he saw, you know, mil spec just means like the cheapest possible thing that meets all of the criteria.

Starting point is 00:28:42 So part of it might be mil spec, but also, Walt, at that that that that that that that that that that that the the that meets all of the criteria. So part of it might be Nilspec, but also Walt at that point was deep involved with FBI and patriotism and we'll get into pretty soon. He was part of D-Malay, which is a kind of like a Freemasonic Boy Scouts, and part one of the the main virtues of D-Molay is like this very passionate belief in country. And this was instilled in him to the point where he absolutely probably you know was like a die-hard American to the end. Hey everybody want to tell you about our friends that Lucy nicotine products that's right look we're all adults here and I know some of you choose to use nicotine to relax focus or just unwind after a long day

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Starting point is 00:32:01 complex, fear-mongering to get us to want to go to war with China. Because you have people on the far- th- th- th- th- th- th- th- th- th- th- th- th- tho- tho- tho- tho- tho- tho-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-s tho-s tho-s, Sam, Sama-s, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam, tho-s tho-s thoomomomo-s, Sam-s, tho-s, tho-s, tho-s, tho-s, tho-s, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the-s, the-s, the-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s, tho-s, tho-s, tho-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-s. tho-s. tho-s. tho-s. tho-s. thooo-s us to want to go to war with China. Because you have people on the far left telling us this is all propaganda. You have people who listen to the show who live in China talking about how it's not what we think. And I've been told that by, you know, the guy who helped me work, who develop my website was in China at the time. He's like it's not what you guys think but so I think it's very interesting and a big, big inspiration for doing this episode was a video they came out that said about how basically the CIA helped Disney get a lot of their land and one thing they did because and this resonate

Starting point is 00:32:42 with me because of what's going on right now, is that they basically took a bunch of CIA agents and gave them fake IDs, identities, so they could go in and buy all this land because I think people were very wary about a giant amusement park coming in. And personally, I think as people start to be get, start to hear more and more about Black Rock and these investment banks, buying up all these houses from families, people are going. And personally, I think as people start to begin, start to hear more and more about Black Rock and these investment banks buying up all these houses from families, people are going to start going, well, I want to choose who grabs his house. You're going to start seeing that more. You're going to see fake identities of people coming in buying these houses for Black Rock and

Starting point is 00:33:19 Bangard and State Street. Well, they actually cite that pretty often. That's not really like a secret, at least, because I live in Orlando still. And that's almost like touted as this incredible business Acumen move that he'd made. And I haven't heard that there were CIA agents. I wouldn't surprise me at all, but that's interesting enough. I want to angle on that too wasn't just that people were resistant against it,

Starting point is 00:33:45 but they also realized that if someone knew that it was Walt Disney buying this money up, or the land, they could just go buy the tiniest little part and be like sit on it and try to like raise it up. So he tried to make it look like these completely independent people with their own reasons, you know reasons were buying different plots of farmland. And then after I think he got like five or six of the big ones, someone pieced it together. And there's a really cool video, if you care about it, of like this lady being interviewed in like the 70s, and she was explaining that she was one of the people that cracked that case.

Starting point is 00:34:17 She was, you know, like 't have Instagram and like, like all kinds of crazy online drama to follow. So that was like a big thing in the time. And, you know, a example of this happened in modern times is, you know, with Joe Rogan trying to buy a comedy club, people are finding out that wrote, it's Rogan that's looking to purchase these things and they're jacking the price up. Because they want, I I I I I I I I I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I they, I, I they, I th, I they, I th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th. I th. I thi, like, like, like, like, like, liked, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, they. It's they. It's they. It's they. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. these things and they're jacking the price up Because they want me he's got to get like a like a shell company to go or a Right and comedian to buy it first I mean I guess but you wouldn't do that though You wouldn't do that if you know Walt didn't all of a sudden is buying this piece of and that you wanted a hundred K for all of a sudden, all of a sudden, the thu-o th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their, their, their, their, their, their their their their, their, their, don't their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, like, like a their, like a their, like a their, like a their, like a their, like a their, like a their, like a their, like a their, like a their, like a their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, like, like, like, like, their, like, their, like, like, like, like, their, like, their. their. their. their. the more? I don't blame them for it. I can't say I wouldn't. Well, the idea though is that someone would know what they're doing and then they would go and buy it first and then resell it. It's not like they already owned it and Walt was trying to lowball them. I'm sure that was going on too.

Starting point is 00:35:14 But they didn't sell it to a family. Without it, it wouldn't even be an issue. Especially if I'm getting what I wanted, like, oh, I want 1.2, and this black rock's coming in for 1.4, and this family is coming in 1.2, I mean, I know I could say, I mean, I would tell you that my desire would probably be the 1.2 and give it to the family. Well, and to be clear, too, like the land he bought was complete marshland, and if anything, the city built up around that as opposed to like him building it next to his city. You know, Orlando at the time was known for oranges. They weren't known for almost anything else.

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Starting point is 00:36:26 there's one really important element to understand about Walt is that he had a really strained relationship with his dad to the point where he kind of fantasized that he was adopted and that his dad and his mom weren't his real parents and that his real dad was this Spanish nobleman that, you know, had like a child at a wedlock. So if you even think back as a little kid before Disney existed, he was like one of those archetypal Disney princesses that was whisked away by the evil stepmother and whatnot. Like that was kind of his view of himself for quite a long time.

Starting point is 00:37:01 And, and real quick, sorry, but there is a theme in Disney animation where the parent dies. Oh, big time. Well, and this is going to start making a whole lot more sense too because I mentioned that he was part of Demolay. And this is such a weird, perfect storm. It seems like an absolute coincidence because Walt's around like 15 or something, he's trying to join the military, he can't get in because he's too young, he's trying to like forge his way in. He eventually figures out a way to become a medic, but it doesn't

Starting point is 00:37:35 give him like this fulfillment, life experience that he needs, and he's completely lost. And at age 19, that year, or like six months before, this new Freemasonic, free free free free free free free free free, thoniconiconiconiconiconiconiconiconiconiconiconiconic 19, that year or like six months before, this new Freemasonic organization that never existed before started forming up in the exact city that he lived in, which was Kansas City, and it was called Demolay. And the best way to describe Demolay is kind of like a Freemasonic Cub Scouts. You know, they do camping, they do arts and crafts, they do dances and archery, but they also have a quasi-masonic sort of or quasi-free masonic ritual all the way down to taking oaths and referring to secrecy and memorizing all kinds of memory work and learning severing liberal arts. And actually if you go on

Starting point is 00:38:21 Instagram you can find there's a Walt Disney chapter of Demolet that has an Instagram page and they've got a video of, you know, people going through and describing all of it. And if you've ever read anything about Freemasonry, it's just like it's little kids doing Freemasonry. And on top of this, one of the things that in Freemasonry you refer to like the worshipful master and they've got all of these different titles. And Demolet, you call him dad. So you've got this Walt Disney with daddy issues that thinks that, you know, his dad's somewhere out there, he's got to find the right one. And this organization literally you refer to your mentor as dad. And not only did he join this organization, but this was like the second group of kids that had ever gone through it, and he worked directly under the founder of Demolay. His name was Franklin, I think,

Starting point is 00:39:09 but everyone called him dad. Like that was kind of like a creepy name, but that was your dad. So the reason why this is so important is that, I mean, Walt Disney grew up and kind of formed his formative years under this understanding of being in a secret society, taking oaths, understanding these like mystical connections between things and applying it to every facet of your life. Now Walt Disney didn't become, I think, an actual Freemason any point, but the type of stuff that

Starting point is 00:39:38 he learned and the kind of values that they sort of embodied, you wouldn't have needed to become a Freemason. And he kind of already held a lot of that thinking going forward. So right off the bat, you know, Walt Disney is not some country bumpkin that just like to draw pictures. He is deeply into whether he knows it or not, like Rosicrucianism and some alchemical sort of logic and classic philosophy. And this is in his late teens, early 20s that he started, yeah, yeah, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. thi, he was, he was, he was, th. And, thi, thi, while, while, while, while, while, while, while, while, while, while, while, while, while, while, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, this is in his late teens, early 20s that he started. Yeah, he's 19, and I don't think he started doing any kind of animation until he was like 22 or something like that. And he credits all of his success to his upbringing in this demolay society. So I find this incredibly important just because you could break demolay and Freemasonry down to concepts of, you know, Rosicrucianism, ceremonial magic,

Starting point is 00:40:25 bringing your will into manifesting it into reality. These sort of concepts are baked into this type of thing. So with that sort of as his great, you know, framework, before he even gets into his long career, that's where his mind state is kind of coming from. And there's interviews where he admits this. And I think there's some early Mickey Mouse cartoons that he had in the paper where they're going to like a chapter

Starting point is 00:40:51 of the Mickey Mouse demolay society and they're like voting on something. And he's got like a fancy little outfit on and a big chair, like he's a worshipful master and a lodge and stuff. So it wasn't like a hidden thing. He kind of included this and everything. So and I want to bring this up because I've got this underlying theory that's semi-serious but that this whole concept of movie magic, it very likely could have been Disney that started the whole concept of princess imagery and that his movies themselves could be classified

Starting point is 00:41:26 as magical spells and ceremonial magic, depending on, on, you know, how close you want to make the definitions, but I don't personally, I'm not like super into the woo woo, woo, but this one I feel is like, there's a strong action to be made here that I don't care what your definition the magic is. There's a de action to be made here that I don't care what your definition of magic is. There's a de facto example of this being magic. Do you believe that there is magic like sorcery, energy manipulation, stuff like that? Kind of. 30% yes, 70% no? Is that if that's okay? Like, if you ever heard Alan Watts talk about magic, it's my concept is sort of you can take a vibration coming, you know, a thought that starts in my brain turns into a vibration out of my mouth and if that manifests itself into some

Starting point is 00:42:15 bigger reality that lasts longer than the vibration lasted. I mean, there's an argument to be made that that's a form of magic. So in that loose definition, I believe in it. Yeah. OK, that's fine, dude. I'm dialing that. So making like a digital comic, coming up with an idea, I have an artist draw it. It's all just pushing electrons around in cyberspace. And it comes out and you print it. Well, that's very interesting. I don't know if I've ever really thought of it like that.

Starting point is 00:42:48 The art is a manifestation and is a magic to create something. When, and digital specifically, because in a digital realm, you truly do start with nothing but just energy, and you're combining frequencies and energy, and at some point, it turns into an actual thing that represents almost like a platonic ideal right like you've manifested a thing that represents way more than all of the individual pixels that the to the magic then I believe in magic. That's cool. I'm down. I'm down. So you know they they say there's only how many stories John Johnny 12 stories are like every story. That's that's thorough. That's th. That's that's that's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It th. It's th. It's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. thi. th. thi. It's th. th. It's th. they say there's only how many stories John Johnny 12 stories are like every story's been told. I'm ever that, but I don't know the number. Yeah, it's like some crazy, like there's only X number of stories been told and everything is a rewrite and there's always some kind like you might have an original take in one way but it's still a story that has been told. It's like some Joseph Campbell, the hero. th story story story story. And th. And th. th. the story. th. the story. the story. the story. the story. the story. the story. the story. the story. It's the story. It's the story. It's the story. It's the story. It's the story. It's like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, an original take in one way, but it's still a story that has been told. It's like some Joseph Campbell, Hero of a Thousand Faces kind of thing where,

Starting point is 00:43:52 yeah, yeah. The setting changes, the names changed, but the themes and the youngian archetypes are kind of the one constant. The micro is probably a little bit, but the macro is probably been told a thousand times, right? Yep, it's the framework, yeah. And I feel like that might be with Disney and stuff and the history of that, that the story's being retold over and over again and the influence of that. So we're getting right into Grimm's and I, Grim's, and I thi. Grim is the origin of th is the origin is the origin of, the origin of, th, th, th, th, the origin of, th, th, th, th, the origin of, th, th, th, the origin of, th, the origin of, the origin of, the origin of, the origin, the origin, the origin, the origin, the origin of, thi, the origin, the origin, the origin, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thin, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the threat, even exist as we know it without the Grimm's work. But there's one thing that it seems like a tangent, but I think

Starting point is 00:44:29 you guys like tangents here. So have you guys heard of Arthur C. Clark's three laws? You might have heard of them, but I'll repeat them anyways, just for anyone. So the third one is the only one that I really care about, and I'm gonna just make a distinction here that shows my point of view on this. But the first one is that when a distinguished elderly scientist states something that is possible, that they're almost certainly right. But if they state something is impossible, they're probably wrong. And it's kind of goes to show that as you get older and age,

Starting point is 00:45:01 if you think something possible, eventually maybe outside your lifetime it will be possible. It's a long way of saying, you know, anything is possible on an infinite timeline. His second rule of law is the only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture beyond them into the impossible. So you're never going to find what the limits of possibility are if you are always trying to get like to the edge or right before it right. So those ones are cool enough they're less related to this third one. The third one is the one that I'm most interested in and this is that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable for magic. And my favorite reference is like the apocalyptic movie from Mel Gibson. Do you remember this this this this thii, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, th, th, th, they they are they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, like, so the concept, spoiler alert, is that

Starting point is 00:45:45 in Pocalypto, this, I think it was like a Mayan ancient, he, like a witch doctor guy, he knew that there was going to be a solar eclipse. So, but he like, he got everyone convinced that if they didn't do these like blood sacrifices and bring him all of these things and keep worshiping his king, then he wouldn't let the sun come back out and like the world would end. And it was only because he understood astronomy that he knew that it was going to uncover anyways, and he knew exactly when it was going to happen, but he used that science, and he pretended it was magic. So Arthur C. Clark has this third law,

Starting point is 00:46:21 and it basically says that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable for magic and I take that to mean that it doesn't matter if you know it's technology and they don't, like it is magic in that in that moment to everybody else. So. Dude, I completely agree with all that. I've said this before it goes back to, you know, millionaires read the market, billionaires read the stars. And like, this age of Aquarius, right? And like, everything is being, you know, it's a time of enlightenment, right? That the age of the water bear and the serpent bearing, you know, knowledge on everybody. All that stuff, dude, or even like, let's get, and I don't know how far deep into this stuff you get into, but it's like, but, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they. And, they.a, they.a, they.a.a. And, they.a. And, they. And, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, you know, knowledge on everybody. All that stuff, dude, or even like, let's get, and I don't know how far deep into this stuff you get into, but it's like when you talk about like, you know,

Starting point is 00:47:11 if they know that, let's say we're gonna talk terrain theory, which is viruses aren't viruses, there are exosomes, and they're detoxing, it's the time the time time, the time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time time their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they's they're, they're detoxing, they're detoxing, they're detoxing, they're, they're detoxing, they're detoxing, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're detox, they're detox, they're detox, they're detox, they're detox, they're detox, they're detox, they're detox, they're detox, they're detoxing, they're detoxing, they're detoxing, they're detoxing, they're detoxing, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their detox, their detox, their detox, their detoxing, their detoxing, their detox, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their detox, their detox, their detox, their detox's the time of your your body detox, right? Well, if they know that's happening, they can say, oh, that's flu season, and everyone's passing around these flu, these viruses, and we have to get, dude, that nailed it right there. That is what you said right there. Well, to make it even scarier for you too, in the very near future, maybe even right now, AI is going to be able to predict those patterns way better than any analyst on the planet ever would be able to. So in a very

Starting point is 00:47:50 near future, the literal version of that quote of advanced technology, indistinguishable magic, technology might just legit be the new nostrodomist and start predicting things because it just, it can see the patterns in a billion more ways than a person could see it so it knows it's going to happen or is more accurate. So but here let me let me tack on two kind of like bullets on this because that third law of advanced technology looking like magic there's kind of a variation on it called Hanlon's razor and this one I don't agree with but a lot of people do out there. And it's almost like an anti-conspiracy theorist approach. So I want to state it.

Starting point is 00:48:28 And Hanlon's razor is that you should never attribute malice when stupidity will suffice. You might have heard this in some different form. I don't, I don't believe that at all. Because that's almost like, like a conspiratorial mindset, that's giving people the benefit of the doubt every single time, and I kind of do the inverse of that. So there's an even better one, and this is where this tangent ends, but it's called Grazlaw, and it's a modification of that, and it says that any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice. So it's like the same thing of, you know, advanced technology looks looks magic. And I don't care how dumb you are if you claim that you didn't know,

Starting point is 00:49:08 if the end result was malice, you know, horrible, then it might as well have been you intentionally making malice versus I can't assume your intention. It is my opinion on when someone with special needs commits like a violent crime let's say murder, and they're like we can't try me as special needs. I'm like, yeah, that's good until there's murder. And then it doesn't matter what his like intelligence is, he committed murder, you know, he's smart enough to commit the crime of taking somebody's life. That fits Gray's law in a way that I've never considered it before. You know I know it sounds nuts but it's like I th. I th. I th. I th. I to th. I th. I th. th. th. to th. th. th. th. to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. th. the. th have another show, Conspiracy Social Club and Brian Callan,

Starting point is 00:50:06 that's his whole belief is that people just are stupid and they don't see it and I go, well, well, what's the difference? What's the difference? There's the argument here. Right. But the problem is that when you want to just blame it on stupidity, how come it always falls the same to, to, to always falls for more power and more money for the rich people, right? Someone accidentally gave everyone more freedom, oh man. Oh my God, everybody's just doing more stuff that they really want to.

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Starting point is 00:52:06 the same things over and over again. Like how can you excuse stupidity as a reason? It's like at some point it seems like it's more purposeful in my humble opinion. If it's going a whole tangent on that because I've been through some of those programs as well and I really do firmly believe, first it's ironic that those programs started with LSD trips but that aside no no no that's a big thing nobody dogs about how he doesn't want it he doesn't want it to come out he try to hide it from how it came out right yeah there would be no alcohol synonymous and therefore no narcotics anonymous if the guy that started it hadn't done an LSD and had this crazy trip but but but but but but but but but but the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. th. th. I thi. thi. I the. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I's. I. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. I's. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the guy that started it hadn't done an LSD and had this crazy trip. But the reason I mentioned that is because what you were saying, Sam, is that it makes

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Starting point is 00:55:06 And this is where, you know, like Snowway and so many other ones came from Bambi. There's like a long list of them, Sleeping Beauty. But what they actually started out as were lawyers, and they've got some even more serious work. One of them did a full study on the Germanic language at a time when the culture was kind of scattered and broken apart. There was different parts of Prussia and Austria and Bavaria and some parts of Slovenia that all kind of shared the original source like stories and culture but they kept getting splintered because you know new countries and new rulers kept forming and pushing them apart and it was very scattered and there's there's some arguments that I've come across, but I'm not an expert on it,

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Starting point is 00:56:42 masonry today as we know it without the Brothers Grimm putting together all these Germanic ideas. Now this isn't written in stone, there's a lot of different culminations of the research, but this one was mind-blowing. And on top of that, there's a very strong case that the Brothers Grim were at least aware of or deep into rosecrutionism to the Society of the Rosie Cross. So we've got, again, we've got these like secret society roots and pagan mythology roots, and this is where all the stories kind of came from. So the very first movie, the first theatrical production movie from Disney was Snow White. And this is one of them that kind of came from these

Starting point is 00:57:24 these Germanic stories. And I think there was like four or five versions of it, but Disney's is kind of considered like the best version, the one that they animated from it. So first of all, I want to just see if you guys have any thoughts at all on on Brothers Grimm or like cool anecdotes that you've heard about Brothers Grimm because they have like their own topic and it's you know its own right. No, I'd love to get into all that and I'm just looking at some of the the Rosicrucians, their books, their symbolism. I find it so interesting dude. I just find it like, you know, like the decentralization of the internet, I think it's done

Starting point is 00:58:10 a lot of damage. I also think the centralization of religion and spirituality has caused us to lose some pretty amazing ideas or not be able to focus on that, you know, to understand them and learn them. And that, you know, at, you know, me talking to you right now, I'm just starting to see this, all this cool shit that like, nobody really even told me about that I kind of want to go and start studying now. Dude, brother, brother's grim. There's a chance that there might not even be a unified Germanic culture as we know it today. Like their work outside of the fairy tale stuff, which is already like a seminal important work, but everything else they did, it formed, you know, Germany's modern national identity.

Starting point is 00:58:57 And imagine everything that came out of Germany having a strong national identity and you know, the early 19th century. Was everything they wrote so dark? Oh, so they didn't write almost any of it. It was again just a collection of stories from, you know, people in the woods and travel in the countryside. But yeah, they were extremely dark. Like, one of the examples is that the original Snow White, in the movie, the, the queen asked for like her heart but it's sort of like this metaphorical a little bit gruesome but in the the stories she specifically

Starting point is 00:59:29 asked for like her liver like like very specific organs and when they came to her she like cooked it up in salt and fried it and ate it so a lot of the stories were were definitely dark that that's the least shocking part of it though it just cannibal like thing Things were way rougher back then. So. Well, dude, so many of those stories were just tales to like scare children not to make these kind of crazy mistakes, right? I mean, Hansel and Gretel, I mean, take a look of that.

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Starting point is 01:00:48 And how this is a perfect segue. This is a perfect segue into what I was talking before about movie magic. So we're working in animation. I don't want to make the assumption that everyone knows this. So one of the things to keep in mind here is that when you're working on an animated movie and Disney was almost a trailblazer at th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I'm, thi. I'm, thi. I's, thi. I's, thi. I. I. I, thi. I, thi. I, thi. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. It. It. It. It's, thi. It's, thi. It's, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. So, thi. So, thi things to keep in mind here is that when you're working on an animated movie, and Disney was almost a trailblazer at this point where they actually drew 24 frames for every one second of animation. Almost every other animation studio at his time in the 30s, they kind of doubled it up. They drew 12 frames per second, and then they would just kind of like shoot the same

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Starting point is 01:02:16 where like I send this ceremonial magic out by performing a ritual, and then if I do it every year, it's like the energy comes back, I do the ritual, I send it back out, it comes back twice as strong, and you repeat that process. So if you keep a ritual going for hundreds of years or thousands of years, it just keeps getting stronger and stronger, and it's literally, you know,

Starting point is 01:02:36 amplifying this like unforeseen energy back and forth. So if you take that concept of what an actual, you know, ceremonial magic ritual is based on, now think about a Disney movie, right? It's got like these songs that a kid will put it in a hundred times and they'll listen and they'll memorize all the songs. On top of that, one of the things that magic does is it puts you into different states in a predictable and formulaic way. So it's like, I want to be productive or I want to be assertive or I want to be more receptive. You can do like a ceremonial magic that puts you into those states of being. But what about a Disney movie? You know, it gets to that scene in Pinocchio where he gets kidnapped.

Starting point is 01:03:16 Well, that's a formulaic planned way to put you in a very specific emotional state, receptive the certain images, and it's going along with music, color, flashes. So like, these things together, it would be very hard to convince me that this is not in some way de facto serial magic. Even if someone didn't sit down and write this out to be ceremonial magic, it just is because of how it's used and the end results of it. You know, I mean, like, you know, when John Lennon is saying is saying is saying is then is th. In that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. used and the end results of it. You know, I mean like, you know, when John Lennon sang, shoot him, you know, it's just like in that movie, in that song and that's played over and over and over and over and over and over and over again,

Starting point is 01:03:54 it's like you're putting that energy out. He manifested reality essentially, right? Right, I mean, we talked about Tupac Biggie. They did it, they just kept singing about that. People played over and over and guess what happened. They ended up getting shot. So I mean, I would, that those are good cases too. That could possibly be like a mantra or like a ceremonial ritual, you know, statement. It's like a spell going out. I mean, you just take a look at like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like take a look at like, all, like, how pop culture is and like the energy that's out there and what people like watch and consume and they watch it over and over and over. And we live in a very, we're very much monkey, see monkey do. So we end up doing the stuff that we end up seeing and

Starting point is 01:04:46 that's why, you know, I forget what the Instagram video was, but it was like, it was an old 80s video of kids dancing and it's like, the lyrics they're actually dancing to in these rap songs are like so dark and like vicious. Is this a remix or an actual one? No, someone had taken a funny video of kids in and sleep dancing. One of my favorites is from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle Christmas special and they lay it over with like Triple Six Mafia, I think it's one of those, it's just like that. I mean, Triple, you, you remember when the triple six mafia just got accused of being the same worshippers and you're like, what's their name?

Starting point is 01:05:29 They like triple six. They really snuck that one right by right? No, but I never noticed that. Oh my god. You never noticed that? Yeah, that's a white guy I think yeah, I noticed that right off the bat Really? It's kind of the first part of their names Yeah, 36 months. Johnny, honestly, did you notice that?

Starting point is 01:05:50 Three six mafia? I never thought about it. Yeah, there you go. That's funny. So so anyways, let me let me circle back to snow white here. So so I'm trying to make the point that it's very hard to just like accidentally, oops, we added some occult symbolism into this and we drew it, you know, hundreds of times and no one noticed. And then on top of that, this Snow White being his first movie, it is absolutely just

Starting point is 01:06:20 like steeped and blatant occultism. It's not even like subliminal or like slipped in there. The very opening scene it's got the evil witch walking up to her big mirror and it's you know encrusted in zodiac symbols and the whole movie if you notice even if when they're not singing everything rhymes and it starts with this spell that she says that's almost like rhymes, but the whole entire movie kind of continues in that whole rhyming fashion. So like there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's the very the very the very the very the the very the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi thi thi thi that that that that that that that that that that that that thi thi thi thi the whole entire movie kind of continues in that whole rhyming fashion. So like there's, it starts immediately and you just kind of see these esoteric symbols. And another cool thing that a lot of people don't realize in the 1930s in the early, in the late 19th century in the early 20th, occult information in like a cult studies

Starting point is 01:07:03 were not taboo as much as maybe even today. It was like the cool thing to talk about because they were unearthing these Egyptian tombs and reading you know hieroglyphics and like Manly Pee Hall was writing in the paper and Albert Pike was writing about Freemasonry in the paper like you just opened the normal Sunday paper and there might be a whole article on Freemasonry and the God Moloch and all these pagan things going on. They talked about the Bavarian Illuminati in like 1918 and just a regular paper. So, so these topics weren't like things that no one already knew about, you know, it was kind of already in popular culture at the time. I think a lot of people make it seem like, oh, in 1990s you know all these pagan gods had this resurgence

Starting point is 01:07:46 of anything the pagan gods were more popular than ever and like that art nouveau sort of time period you know. I always think that every generation has to go a little farther even if it's incremental, tiny bit a little bit more than the generation before them. And you kind of see that with like, like liberalism. Forever liberalism was like live and let live. And then we kind of got to this place where it's like everybody is somewhat allowed to do what they want to do it. But then the next generation has to go a little bit farther, a little bit farther. And now we got like, kindergarten teachers to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the next generation has to go a little bit farther, a little bit farther, and now we got like

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Starting point is 01:09:11 I'm a nice guy. So, so back to Snow White again. I mentioned that the first time the movie even opens, we see magic spells and we see the queen talking into this mirror and and there's a really cool rose accrucian element that goes into like the whole mirror concept is itself but it's it's interesting because the queen starts with a spell and then the first time we see snow white the very first words out of her mouth are do you want to know a secret can you promise not to tell and then it starts rhyming about the wishing well and whatnot, but she talks about that if you make a wish into this well

Starting point is 01:09:49 and you hear it echo, then you know your wish is going to come true. And the, this is, this noteworthy because this is her casting a spell. And immediately after she says this, a white prince on a white horse comes running over. Like she immediately manifested this spell that she just cast into the well, which you want to get like deep into young yin and Freud stuff like the well is essentially that feminine energy, right? It's like a big vagina, big stone vagina with water in the middle that life comes out of. So she's these making this incantations to this like feminine earth mother spirit and it immediately works and it freaks her the hell out. She runs into the castle and she hides from this guy

Starting point is 01:10:30 because she can't believe that you know she actually just summoned magic and it worked for the first time. So so I want to make this point that none of this is hidden like these are actual spells she's doing. There's zodiac symbols. I I mean, they're literal spells that are rhyming. It's not like subversive, right? Like, what, like, you know, we had the fairies and what how Disney sold us what fairies were like and what ferries might really be like if you're, if you believe encrypted and all that stuff and all the wands and the stars and all that stuff. They're nice. You don't, you don't like, you're like, you're like, you're like like like like like like like you're like you're like think, you're like think, you're like think, you're like like think, you're like think, you're like think, you're like think, you're like think, tink, think, thin thin. Like, thin. thin. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their. thi. thi. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. Like, th. th. It. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their. S. S. S. S. S. They're nice. You don't, you know, you're like Tinker Bell Sam? I like Tinker Bound and just fucking drop thing around.

Starting point is 01:11:09 Yeah, but like what what in real life are fairies like? You've seen depictions that they're a little bit more, aw, they have a little bit more edge to them, let's say. We're gonna, we're gonna get into Pinocchio, which has the Blue Fairy, which is like the OG Blue Ferry. So a couple quick notes on Snow White that I think might help blow your mind a little bit. So the seven dwarves, right? These dwarves are literal earth elementals, and this is based on earth elemental magic or just the concepts. And this is because there's a couple key parts in the movie that really explain this. One is that th the the they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they've the the the the the they've their their their their their their th, th, thi thi, thi, thi, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thoge, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi, thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. thi. thi. thi. thi, couple key parts in the movie that really explain this.

Starting point is 01:11:45 One is that they've never touched water before, which is a very, you know, direct correlation of like the four elements. These are like the earth elements and they've never touched water because they haven't had this human consciousness come down in the form of snow white. And she's the one that unifies all these different elements of nature. So they go down into the depths the depths the depths the depths th the depths the depths the depths the depths the depth the depth the depth the depth they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they their their they've the one that unifies all these different elements of nature. So they go down into the depths of the earth trying to pick out gems, and they claim themselves in the movie that they don't know what the gems are for. They just know that this is what they do all day in and out. They go down to the darkness of the earth and come back out with them. She sort of is like this representation of that human like God element, you know, Christ consciousness or whatever you want to call it,

Starting point is 01:12:29 coming in and interacting with Earth MMLs. So again, this is like, it's almost like ceremonial magic, but it's a story about how this Christ consciousness or human intellect gets brought down to the planet Earth. And another correlation is, if you look at it from Rosicrucian or Alchemical, the seven dwarves could be the seven classic planets. And the seven classic planets, I can't list them all in order, but it was like the observable planets. So for example, like the moon

Starting point is 01:12:57 they used to consider a planet and everything else, but this was just another like very common theme where the number seven would tend to represent the planets and that represent different kind of like archetypes and exactly what were the seven dwarves. Each one represented a very specific archetype, you know, being grumpy, being dopey, being sleepy. So this is all like L-chemical Rosicrucian research that's only very thinly veiled. And because of Walt Disney's Demolay history. What about the seven deadly sins? And you got like, you know, you have like sleepy, which is like what.

Starting point is 01:13:36 You know, that's a sloth. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's super interesting, man. It's, it's never just what it is. Like, everything is super duper thought out. It's, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. tr. tr. tr. truth. truth. tr. truth. tr. truth. tr. tr. th. the the the the the the th. the the the the the the just what it is. Like, everything is super, duper thought out. And Demolay, part of their initiation ritual, which is not something you'd ever forget. As a 19-year-old kid, going through these initiation rituals, it would just embed itself in your mind. And they have these seven cardinal virtues that are represented by candles or lights or columns or something. So this number seven again, there's not a lot of coincidence that's happening between the animation, between the writing, between the links that you can kind of

Starting point is 01:14:16 make between it all. And I've got to, I'm try not to read off my notes and just kind of read off your notes. So I've got some actual quotes here from a guy named Franz Barden, and he was a German Rosicrucian that was credited for writing a whole bunch of really classic, like hermetic teachings. What's interesting is a lot of them were published in like the 1950s, but there's stories that sound a little bit BS. But they might be true, but that when he was like 12 or 14 years old, he kind of like auto dictated these volumes of work on Rosicrucianism. So maybe that's true, maybe it's not. If it's true, then, theyme, theyrush, then he wrote this before Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, then their, the time when he had like seen it, the the 30s, thuke, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, like, th. And, like, th. And, like, like, th. And, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, likethe theaters in like the 30s, because he was like that age to have seen that. But he writes specifically about gnomes

Starting point is 01:15:07 and these seven dwarves that, noams are little people similar to the elves and fairy tales. Usually they have long beards and they wear caps with long hair, flashing eyes, and garments are frocks, and that every earth spirit carries a small lantern, and each lantern has a different luminosity. I mean, this is alchemical speaking in that, you know, they each have a different color assigned

Starting point is 01:15:29 and a different frequency and they represent, again, might be the classic seven planets. And then he mentions that as soon as the gnomes are convinced that a magician superior to them, and intelligence and will derive happiness from that relationship and become the most obedient of servants. And this is exactly what Snow White is. She's this magician that's superior to all of them because she commands all four elements plus human intellect.

Starting point is 01:15:56 So they become her sort of like servants immediately. And it fits directly into this Rosicrucian teachings, like how similar are these two things that they just line up perfectly? Damn, dude. She's a witch. So well, she's, she's, uh, humanity. Her, her stepmother's the witch. Um, because her stepmother's the one that makes use of dark arts for nefarious purposes and malice.

Starting point is 01:16:19 Whereas she, but she's a magician. She's a white witch. She's a white witch. Yeah. So her stepmother's the black witch. She's the white witch. It's this rival polarity of like white magic, black magic. Hers is good. And also to emphasize, she's kind of like in tune with nature because she immediately starts talking to animals. She's singing with blue birds. She's talking to have like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the the the the the the the the tho, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thiiiii. thiii. the the the the the the the the the the to her and and deer come and talk to her. So this is like her being initiated into like earth magic and almost like wicken nature magic

Starting point is 01:16:52 versus this very malevolent magic that's coming after her. That's crazy, dude. So I got a couple other notes from this guy Bardon and he mentions that it's well known that the difference between the spirit of the elements and the human being lies with the fact that the spirit of the elements consist of only one, whereas the human being is all four. And again, this isn't talking about how they had never touched water before because they specifically are Earth Elementals representing Earth magic.

Starting point is 01:17:23 And this guy writes a book called The Key to the True Cabalaula. And this is aside from the gnome mentioning, but he says that the highest levels of magical attainment are understood through the manipulation of sound, color, number, and vibration. And again, this being Snow White, the first full color, full length, synchronized animation movie, like this was literal magic at the time. You know, no, like kids had never seen something like this before. Imagine bringing your kid who'd only ever seen like tiny little short, six or seven minute clips that had a certain amount of rotoscoping, or it was

Starting point is 01:18:00 all in black and white, and now it's like this full featured animation with, you know, crazy archetypes and storylines. It was, it had to be mind-blowing. I mean, I wish almost that I was a little kid that could like see one of these for the first time on the big screen, right? My first movie I ever saw my life was Peter Pat. The first movie I ever saw in the movie I ever saw in the movie. the first. You probably. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that, that, that, it was that, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was th. It was th. It was th. It was had had had had had had had had, it had had, it had had, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was. It was. It was. It was th. It was. It was, I was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was to that. It was to to to to to that. It was to to to to to to to be to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be that. It in the movie. You probably got a special place in your heart for that one, right? Oh yeah, for sure, man. I was like blown away with my grandma bought me. It was crazy. I got sent to the Lion King. You know how sad that is your dad dying? That's what you see. Sibba's dad died, super traumatic and you're there like, where's my dad? It is crazy how how much that is in these movies for children. Land before time, that was the one that got me. I was, oh my God, that was, that was in Disney though, right? That was a Don Bluth. Yeah, you're right.

Starting point is 01:18:51 But yeah, I mean, that one was just, yeah, little, little foot, yeah. It was like, I mean, it made me cry. I made up to try and cry, to to to cry, to to to to to to the, to to to the, to, the, to, to, the, to, the, to, the, to, the, the, tha, tha, thin, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. That, th. That, th. That, th. That, th. That, th. That, th. That, th. That, th. That, th. That, th. That, th. That, th. That, th. That, th. That, th. That, th. That, th. That, th. That, th. That, th. That, th. That, th. That, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that was, that was, that was, that wasn't, that wasn't, that wasn't, that wasn't, that wasn't, thi, thi, thi, too, this is like some subtle clips, because I try to watch in all of Snow White before we met up to talk to see if there's anything like cool that I could notice. So this is where some stuff that you might not have heard before, hopefully can come in. If you haven't already heard some of the stuff that I mentioned, but in one of the opening scenes, the witch actually goes up to her bookshshshshshshshshshshshshsh and they say black arts, alchemy, black magic, disguises, sorcery, poisons. There's like a little skull with like a snake on it, and later there's an apple that has

Starting point is 01:19:33 a worm that kind of looks like that snake. And this reminded me in this total tangic languages is poison or you know the word like our word for poison is gift in German and a lot of those other languages and it actually goes back to this concept of you know giving people something and then that might end up being poison because of this folklore connection and other things that are related to it, which it blew my mind because I thought I was watching something, I thought it was mistranslated, and I went down this rabbit hole

Starting point is 01:20:10 and it blew my mind that, you know, gift does mean gift, but it also means poison. And they're like the same word almost. Unbelievable. So the evil stepmother, the evil witch, another really cool thing is on the very first opening screen of the movie where they have like, you know, once upon a time, blah, blah, blah, they've got a little picture of the witch and a little peacock and a little peacock under her. And it didn't seem like anything at first, butock with the feathers spayed out behind her, you know, it's very, very grand, hard to ignore. So I started looking into the research of like, well, if all these things are alchemical symbols, what did the peacock specifically

Starting point is 01:20:53 represented that time in like the medieval ages? So again, we were talking about this living forever and never aging and I couldn't shave my beard, which I'm still salty about, you know, over a decade later, but that the meaning of the peacock at that time represented immortality and resurrection, almost like a phoenix. And the reason why it represented these things isn't just arbitrary, was because when they died,

Starting point is 01:21:18 they would shed all their feathers, and they would actually like come even more to life. Like the colors would look like they were coming even more to life. And there was also, they all have this little like eyeball pattern at the very top. So a lot of people came to refer to the peacock as the all-seeing eye. And it had a lot of this like evil eye symbolism that got merged together with it. So all I see and watching this movie is the the her throne of the all-seeing eye, kind of like giving these commands out and wanting to send out. And her representation here is kind of the ego. So it's this ego that stands into the mirror and it says, tell me who's the dopest one out there, who's the most pretty?

Starting point is 01:21:59 And it's like a good correlation like social media, right? Like you post a picture or something like, hey, here I am. You know, I'm looking good and you post it. And you really are like, who's the fairest one of them all? And you want all these comments to come back and say, oh, you are, you're so hot. I mean, this is almost a direct relationship that I can't unsee of this magic mirror. And again, magic, it's it it it it it it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's I I just want to put my this is a Rosicrucian idea of like incantations aren't you necessarily like summing a spirit it's you taking your ego and putting it out there and imagining how it would embody some other form and then calling your ego back and you're supposed to call it back with like a dominant force.

Starting point is 01:22:45 Like you know, you're the one in charge here because if you don't be dominant with it, it can come back and take over you. This is kind of like hermetic Rosicrucian concepts. But again, like I can't not imagine this as being the magic mirror and the social media kind of correlation. So this one kind of just like fascinated me beyond belief. Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's all there, dude.

Starting point is 01:23:07 It's just like so crazy how it's like, and that's the beauty of the internet, man, is like we get to find out, you know, we get a permanent record in that other, like the internet is based like Wikipedia where everyone could add their their knowledge they got to this story and we get started to get a real big understanding of what exactly has been being done. Maybe it depends on who's allowed to edit that Wikipedia page. That's a big part of it. That's true too. That's where we go into the dead internet. We're like where the fuck are the links at who's deleting that shit? Yeah, maybe not really, but possibly that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's. That's that's that's that's that's the the the the the the the true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. that's where. that's where. that's where. that's where. that's where the fuck are the links at? Who's deleting that shit? Yeah, maybe, not really, but possibly, for sure. I mean, I remember in 2006, I was like, I tried it to become part of like the Wikipedia editor,

Starting point is 01:23:54 Illuminati or whatever, only because I kept seeing articles that I liked getting moved off. And there was one on like, M.K. Ultra, Project Monarch, Paul Bonacci. Johnny gosh. I. I know if you guys know any of these names, but all of their pages over the course of like three or four years got consolidated into like a little footnote somewhere. And it was also Lawrence Franklin, the Franklin scandal stuff. Yeah, for sure, dude.

Starting point is 01:24:18 And then the Lawrence Franklin page used to have a page with pictures of all this stuff. And then it was like a sentence and then that got moved on to like another page and now they're all kind of like baked in. You can go back and see in like 2006 2007 all the edits that were made but it's gone and as far as the internet cares you know Franklin didn't exist and Paul and actually go. Go try to find a nice breakdown of the cops involved with Weiner's laptop and then find out how many of them are still alive. And it's just like you can't find that the story of them telling who is the FBI guy that was running at that point, Step Down. What's his name, man? That was the big FBI guy that reopened Clinton's investigation like two weeks before the election. And that, oh, yeah,

Starting point is 01:25:13 no, Kobe, Komi, Komi Komi. And, you know, there's a whole story about why he ended up opening that two weeks before and there's pressure from the New York, the NYPD about what they found on this laptop and that's the story. You can't find any of those links anymore. Those are done. When we... The internet felt somehow bigger in the late 90s than it does. Because it was 30 years later.

Starting point is 01:25:39 Because they made it everything into Instagram and Twitter. You just go to Instagram Twitter. My links on Instagram and Twitter instead of going on Geocities and making your own website. Yeah. Right. And it's well you also get into the fact that you know we're in a real 1984 here, right? And how they're just eliminating information they don't want you to have anymore. And, you know, this does go back to now where where he's talking about the dead internet, where they're just getting rid of stories and links so you can't find any of this information. And I bring up that Gray's law again, too, right? That it's indistinguishable from malice. The end result is that it's making everyone dumber and suppressing information. On the conspiracy theory note, I'm a

Starting point is 01:26:28 firm believer that conspiracy theories don't exist unless there's two things. One has to be mistrust and the thrust and the other one has to be low information. So if you're fully transparent and you put a plenty of information out, then you might people like not trust the information, but it's not going to have as many conspiracy theories. But if you don't do either of those, you're just inviting speculation and you're, you're daring people to come up with the crazy ideas, you know what I mean? It's almost a strides and a fact. Yeah, yeah, it's a good way. The more you try to control it, the more more people people the more people the more people the more people the more people the more people the more people the more people the more people the more people the more. The more. The more people. The more. The more people. The more people. The more. The more people. The more people. The more people. The more people the more people. The more people the more people the more you the more people. The more. The more you the more you the more you the more you the more. The more. The more you the more. The more. The more. The more you the more. The more. The more. The more. The more. The more people. The more people. The more people. The more people. The more people. The more people. The more people. The more people. The more people. The more people. The more people. The more people. The more people. The more people. The more people. The more the more the more the more the more the more the more people. The more the more the more the more the more you the more you the more you the more you the. the. you. you. you. you. you. the. the. you. the more you. the more you. The more you. the more. the more. the more people want to look into it. And it's like with information on, yeah, so yeah, 100%. So you mentioned Pinocchio and Pinocchio is probably the coolest one here

Starting point is 01:27:12 because I think it's got, again, I wouldn't say dark, but it's got very like esoteric and occult symbolism. And it's been covered by a number of people, but again, I hope I've got a couple things it'll be you've never even heard before, even....... the the the the the the the the the th.. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. So, to. So, to. So, to. So, to. So, to. So, to. So, to. So, to. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. to. the. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. So, the. I hope I've got a couple things that'll be you've never even heard before, even if you've watched all the videos and read all the articles online. So at the risk of not glossing over some of the more interesting stuff you might have heard, I'll kind of like rapid fire some of the interesting points. So the first one was that the guy that actually wrote the original story of Pinocchio, he, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, the, I, the, story of Pinocchio. He was a very like a satirical political writer. He was like real big into like social movements and political movements. And I think Pinocchio was almost like a departure from that.

Starting point is 01:27:53 It was like his way of kind of making like a silly little comic book and not, or a silly little story rather that had some illustrations and not be just like nonstop, you know, writing about Biden versus Trump or whatever. It was like I'm gonna write a cool like a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. I'm, th. I was, th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. thi. th. thi., I'm gonna write a cool little story that maybe incorporates some of this. Well, this guy was again a Freemason, which is gonna be a recurring theme almost constantly. And because it was, typically if you were like a well to do anything, you became part of one of these guilds just because of like the social networking aspect. And they didn't have a LinkedIn. So Freem, free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free free the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to th. th. th. th. to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to, to. I, to. I, to. I, to. I, to. I, to. I, to. to. I, to, to. to. to. to, to. to. to. to, to, to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to, thi. th. th. th aspect and you know they didn't have a LinkedIn so Freemasonry was the LinkedIn in some regards back then. But on top of that, this guy that wrote the story, his name was Carlo Lorenzini and he was,

Starting point is 01:28:37 he was a self-proclaimed disciple of Mazzini and I don't know if you guys know who Giuseppe Mazzini is. Does that name ring any bells? No. So, depending on the research, when the Bavarian Illuminati ended sometime in the late 1800s, it moved to the power vacuum moved from the Bavarian Illuminati into the Carbonari or part of it, which was in Italy, and the Carbonari was another like very Masonic secret society and they would go out in the middle of the woods. And it was called the charcoal burners,

Starting point is 01:29:09 because it would literally meet out in the middle of the woods and have a campfire and kind of like discuss what the political actions were going to be. So the guy that wrote, right Freemasonry in the United States. But there's this direct lineage and the guy that wrote Pinocchio was a hardcore professed fan of Mazzini. And the name Pinocchio, Pino, is actually a like a nickname for saying Giuseppe Mazzini. And it could arguably came from his love of Giosepi Mazzini. So Pinocchio himself is named after a guy that has direct lineage to the Bavarian Illuminati,

Starting point is 01:29:50 which I think is beyond fascinating. Yeah, well I mean, Illuminati, the luminati, the! We'll get there. That's gonna be the cherry on top. That'll be the cherry on top at the end of this. So, so Pino, in addition to being a short name for Gioseppe, it also means pine or like pine tree. And then Occhio means eye. So you literally have the name Pinocchio meaning pine eye or like the you know the pineal gland which is your third eye and inside the head. So this was like a really cool interesting and it's not like no one knew about the pineal

Starting point is 01:30:31 gland in 1940s or whatever or even in 1800s when this guy wrote this the pineal gland was discovered earlier than the 17 hundreds. So they they already knew about the pineal gland and had all sorts of like mythological explanations for it. So Pinocchio is both perhaps named after lineage of the Bavarian Illuminati and something to do with the Pineal gland, which kind of blew my mind. And then this is, it gets more interesting from there and it doesn't stop. So Giuseppe, or sorry, Jepeto, the guy that actually makes Pinocchio, right? He's a craftsman, he's an artisan. The Greek word for craftsman and artisan is demurge.

Starting point is 01:31:11 So we have this Jepeto creating this, you know, flawed human-looking character, but it's missing, you know, the actual spark of life. So in a very Gioz, creating this flawed, youthis flawed human being, but it doesn't come to life. It's just still a marionette. And this is when he goes to the window and he wishes upon a star. And if you follow like a free masonry link, this could be like that North Star or like the Promethian fire, or the star of Lucifer, the the star, th, th, the, th, th, th, the, th, th, th, the, th, th, th, th, th, the, th, th, th, the, th, the, th, thus, thus, the, the, thus, the, thus, the, tho, tho, the, the, tho, the, tho, tho, tho, the, the, tho, tho, tho, tho, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thus, thus, the, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, they, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, th fire or the star of Lucifer, you know, this is like that human intellect and it comes

Starting point is 01:31:46 down into the window and she taps on Pinocchio sort of like imbiting him with this spirit. So this is very much an occult story about the Demiurge making a person out of mud or out of wood and then bringing human intellect into it and giving it free will and setting it out across the world. That's crazy. And this isn't, I hate I I I I I I I I I I I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it th. I hate it th. I hate it th. I hate it th. I hate it th th th. I hate th. I th. I th th th theat tape. tape tape tape tape tape tape th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th tap tap tap. tap. tap. th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the that that that that to to to to to to to to to toe. toe taps to toe taps taps taps taps taps taps taps will and setting it out across the world. That's crazy. And this isn't, I hate it when I hear people talk about this kind of stuff and it's like, dude, you're fucking reaching so far into like places to bring it. But again, you know, Disney, Demolay, like he already understood all of these references. The guy that wrote the original Pinocchio, direct lineage to Bavarian Illuminati and the Carbonari Secret Societies.

Starting point is 01:32:28 So it doesn't seem far-fetched at all that they understood these symbols that they were drawing in here. So that was one. So, Geppetto, we have Jepedo who wants a real boy. That has some darkness to it right would you Maybe I don't know wants a real boy I mean it's it's PETTO but maybe I don't know what about pleasure island? Yeah, I mean there we get some Epstein Island so so pleasure island again has some some really interesting beyond the

Starting point is 01:33:04 Epstein island and like kid didling stuff the the pleasure island I think the pleasure island I think has even more the interesting beyond the Epstein Island and like kid didling stuff the the Pleasure Island I think has even more deeper esoteric meaning to that. So okay so the Pinocchio starts as this marionette crater from the demurge he needs to have human intellect come through Prometheus or Lucifer or whatever the North Star. This is the magic being put into it now it it's got human intellect, but now it's full of flaws and free will. And Pinocchio eventually gets sucked into going off the Pleasure Island, and then what happens when they go to Pleasure Island? They all turn into donkeys essentially, right? So the creepy line is that no one goes to pleasure island and comes back a boy, you know, like they come back like a man.

Starting point is 01:33:46 Ass, they come back ass? But they literally come back as an ass. But this, if you keep trying to pull it back to the Rosicrucian alchemical hermetic teachings, there's a well-known hermetic story, and I'll butcher the name of it, but it's appellias the metamorphoses of the golden ass and it's essentially about this guy that wants to be a wizard, but he doesn't know what the hell he's doing and he's not disciplined and he accidentally turns himself into an ass. And again, it's, it's the story, like the the meaning of the story is supposed to be that, you know, stay on the track, focus your abilities, otherwise you're just gonna turn into an ass. But this is like almost exactly what happens to Pinocchio.

Starting point is 01:34:29 He literally turns into an ass because his first mission after Geppetto sends him out into the world is go to school, get knowledge, seek knowledge. It's almost again a reference to like the seven liberal arts, the trivium and quadrivium. And immediately Pinocchio's like, fuck that, I want to go and smoke and drink and party, you know, at this thing. So he literally turned, is that sorcerer that turns himself into an ass and has to kind of be steered back.

Starting point is 01:34:55 And then the, the, actually I've got some, a quote here from Manny Palmer Hall to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, th. Hall too. I don't know if anyone's a fan or like an anti fan here. Yeah, I know. I know who he's. So, so the second big thing that happens after that, he goes back home and finds out the Jepetto's gone and the Jepeto got eaten by this big whale. And this is a direct reference to the story of Jonah in the whale and he sits in the whale for three days. And this number three is impossible to ignore because it's like the number of initiation. He goes into the dark, he stays there for three days and comes out. Just like Jesus goes into the cave blocked by the rock three days pass, he comes out. It's the story of midsummer essentially, you know, Easter and midsummer being this very important pagan holiday. And again,

Starting point is 01:35:43 I was mentioned the name John, Jonas, Jonas and the whale. This is just a variation of John the Baptist, the actual feast of, you know, people would celebrate. That was when the Catholic Church merged midsummer celebration with John the Baptist Feast Festival. So again this concept of Jonas and the Whale is a reference most likely to St. John's Festival which in itself is a reference to the pagan Midsummer right. You know the horror movie Midsummer where the girl goes out with like the flowers in her hair and it turns into like a big cult. That's what we're talking about. That's the midsummer and that's that. It's a disturbing film. It's so disturbing.

Starting point is 01:36:26 Great. I mean, I love that kind of like, me too. You know, it's actually scary. Yeah, it is. It is. It is, and the violence is so, I mean, it's just a visceral. It really disturbed me. Oh, it's not an old film. It's just a few. It's like three years old, maybe something like that. Boom. The first one too was really good. It was kind of about witchcraft, her hereditary, which is a fascinating concept of essentially that like magical abilities are honed through like bloodlines

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Starting point is 01:37:31 but I wholeheartedly believe that to the point where people are still named after what their ancestor did, Schumacher, you know, that guy's great-great-grandma made shoes and everything else that kind of goes with a baker. I mean, they literally were bakers. So I think at a certain point, you know, you were just named it and it was part of your DNA. Although it would kind of suck if like your last thing was blacksmith and you just wanted to like play video games all day, right? So some two notes here specifically, because I don't want to gloss over the importance of Jepedo getting eaten by the whale and this being you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you were you were just you were just you were just you were just you were just you you you were just you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th because I don't want to gloss over the importance of Jepeto getting eaten by the whale and this being a very occult direct topic not not a subtle one that you have to like read into so manly Palmer Hall talks about Jonah in the whale and he says that When it's used as a symbol of evil the fish represents the earth, which is man's lower nature and the tomb which is the supportor of mysteries and then when when when when when when when when when when when th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the th th th th th th th th. th. thus. thus. the the the. the the the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the. to toe. two two two two two two too. teea. toe. toe. theee. the. the. the. the. the's lower nature, and the tomb, which is the sepulchre of mysteries.

Starting point is 01:38:25 And then when Jonas was three days in the belly of this great fish, which might have been like Leviathan in the Bible, but when he's in the belly of this great fish, just like Christ was three days in the womb, several early church fathers believed that the whale, which swallowed Jonah was the symbol of God the father, who was the hapless prophet thrown overboard. Accepted Jonah into his own nature until a place of safety was reached. So this was almost like the God the father taking his son back in. It's got this really cool like a cold symbolism to it. And then Joseph Campbell, which is like a non-conspiracy theorist guy.

Starting point is 01:39:02 Does anyone familiar with Joseph Campbell? Johnny is. OK. So my my my my my my my my my my my my. So. So. So. So. So. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. the. the. the the the the to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. I. to. to. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. theorist guy. Does anyone familiar with Joseph Campbell at all? Johnny is. Okay, so my mom taught with him when she was in like in England. So I grew up as a little kid like hearing his lectures and hearing about him all the time. And he has this like grand unifying theory that every major myth is the same myth just You know what a different cultured thing. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and so Joseph Campbell also talks about this,

Starting point is 01:39:26 and he links this same story of maybe not Japedo, but of Jonah and the whale, to the epic of Gilgamesh, and where Gilgamesh has to go and get a plant from the bottom of the sea, and in the book of Jonah, the, the, and it bites the shade and it turns it into like a poison and it withers. And in the epic of Gilgamesh, he has to tie stones to his feet so he can get all the way down there and pick that plant and when he gets up to the shore, he gets, the plant gets eaten by a serpent. So it's like the story has the same elements, a guy that goes to the bottom thoomomomom. the tho. thi. to come back up with like some new thing and a big fish coming

Starting point is 01:40:05 and swalling them and preventing him and going through this phase of initiation, you kind of shuffle the pieces around. It's like a like Taco Bell of mythology, right? It's like the same five ingredients just arranged in different configurations. Right. They just retell every story and it's my belief that's why we're starting to see more and more electronic music because they've used all the notes in every different possible way that we have to figure out new ways to make new sounds. Have you have you heard any AI music yet? No. So so bro, the total tangent, but anyone listening out there, especially you guys,

Starting point is 01:40:41 there's a song called, I want to think it's called Taco Tuesday, and it's completely AI. So the AI writes the lyrics, the AI came up with the voices, and then I think someone made the actual music, but I think they've got like a Tupac and Biggie and like a whole bunch of rappers that, you know, are theyraping about Cany West is in there, but they're all all all all all, the the rock, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, I thin, I th, like, I th, like, like, like, like, th, thin, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. is th. is th. is thi, thi, th. is th. is th. is th, th, th, th, th.. is th. is th. is th. is th. is th. is th. is th. I I I I I I I, th. I, th. A, th. A, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thr, thr, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, throoooooooooooooooo. they're rapping about Taco Tuesday. Or it might be called Taco Day. Highly recommended, it'll absolutely blow your mind. There's another one called the 27 Club, I think. And it's like every musician that's died at the age 20. Am I getting that number right? Is the 27 club?

Starting point is 01:41:21 Yeah. So they've got a full album, but it's just AI recreating what like Kurt Cobain would have wrote. I've heard those, yeah. And that's all AI, so, so I mean, I firmly believe, even though we might have like hit the limit of what people might come up with creatively, I don't know if I agree with that. But AI is going to their tripast us. I'm going to eventually eventually eventually eventually eventually eventually eventually eventually eventually eventually eventually eventually eventually eventually eventually tha to eventually eventually eventually to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to to to to to the to you're not going to go on Netflix and say, hey, I want to watch this movie. You're going to say, I want to watch a movie about a vampire that does this and it's got this soundtrack. And it's like, that's perfect for you too.

Starting point is 01:41:53 They already know, it's tailored to your interests already. Because you wait 15 minutes and it's like. Oh my God. I think it's Spotify or Apple music, one of them has, it'll recommend you songs based on the things you like in songs like beats per minute, you know, the instruments involved, and eventually they're just gonna be creating song you know, on the spot that they know you'll love, you know, it's just sound like the Beatles. What I've heard,

Starting point is 01:42:17 Okay, this one of their own, it's amazing. It's amazing. Dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, and what, and what, and what, and what, and what, and what, and what, and what, and what, and what, and what, and what, and what, and what, and what, and what, and what, and what, and what, and what, they, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they're, they're, the, the, their, their, their, their, th.. th. th. th. they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they I've heard up to this point is them taking like Dylan, Bob Dylan's song lyrics that were never put to music and then applying music to them. I've heard that and I think I heard that with Cobain too. But eventually, I mean, it will just be, you know, all original stuff that's, it's mind-blowing. I can't wait to be on broken sim and Sam's talking, I's thua's thua's thua's thua's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I's, I, I's, I's, I's, I's, thuil, thuiuil, thus. thus. thus. thus. th. tho, tho, tho, thu and I's, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thu and, thu and, thu and, thu and, thu and, thu and, thu and, thu and, thu.a, thu. And, thu. And, thu. And, thus. And, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a. And, thin.a.a. And, thin, thi. And, talking about his daughter's wanting tickets for this AI music and no one's playing and he's flipping a bitch how he's got to drop $300 tickets for some music. Oh, I can't wait for that. It doesn't even exist. Sam's already mad.

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Starting point is 01:43:51 They just sit there in front of the TV until you know their lives are ruined basically and I that's the future for us is this this. Reminds me there's a hundred percent. The stuff that was about like a food that. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. T. It was, their. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's is is is is is is is is, it's is is, it's is, it's is, it's is, it's is, it's is, it's is, it's is, it's is, it's is is. It's is is is. It's is. It's is is. It's is. It's is is. It's is. It's is. It's is. It's is. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's the. It's the. It's the their. It's their. It's their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their ththat everyone did that and they're like it was like their favorite food and everyone turn into Oh, really? I haven't heard of that. Oh, that's very similar. That's my theory on crystal meth. Okay, It's like it's so good. Don't do it. It's so good. It ruins your life. You're willing to ruin your life for the hyper visuals and intensity that comes from that thing, that regular life cannot compete. That's my opinion. So if you do meth and then get into the metaverse that's like tea. Oh, then it's just over. It's like everything on like, that's why like, like adult films and crystal meth are like peanut butter and jelly because it's just this like, well, I'm looking forward to whatever, like, let's

Starting point is 01:44:51 say everyone gets neural link, right? There's gonna have to be like a digital psychedelic where you just click the DLC and you're just tripping them automatically. But then how do you go back to real life? And you don't. You start redefining what real life with with with with with ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways ways to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theya and you don't. That's... You start redefining what real life is at that point, right? You start coping with ways to merge the two. Well, I mean, I think that there's going, like everything, there's going to be a large amount of people that go on it, and then there's going to be a large amount of people that don't, and they're going to corral a lot of people into this AI stuff and this metaverse and that's

Starting point is 01:45:28 how they're going to thin the herd man. Like why would you want to mate with somebody when you could be fucking grand theft auto and everything? It's like when I do stand up in like Miami and nobody wants to go, nobody sells tickets in Miami. Why? Why would you want to go watch people tell jokes when you can go live Grand Theft Auto on South Beach, right? It's just like, it's just that there's no way to compete with that. And that's gonna be the metaverse.

Starting point is 01:45:53 And I do think we're a little ways away from it getting that intense, but I think it will come. I do the joke all the joke joke, I toke, I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to joke, I'm to joke, I'm to joke, I'm to joke, I'll to joke, I'll to joke, I'll to joke, I'll to joke, I'll to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho. the the tho. the the the. the. to. to. to. to. te. te. te. tel. to. to. toooooooooo. to. to. to. the joke all the time, dude. I can't wait till I'm fucking in an old home and fucking the metaverse is kicking and you'll never hear from me again. I'll be 80, fucking hung like a horse in opium dens, banging strange all day, and I'll be the happiest person ever. The old home is gonna be great. Like, our parents are getting the old home when it still sucks. In the future with the metaverse we're th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I thi, I thi, I thi, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, the the the, I'm, the, the, the, the, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, I, the, the, I, I, the, the, the, the, I'm, I'm, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the mea, fu, fu, fu, fu, I's, fu, the future with the metaverse, we're going to be crushing it. Well again, I live in

Starting point is 01:46:28 central Florida, so there's this place here called The Villages. I don't know if you've heard of this. There was a movie recently that had Darren Arfnowski involved who did pie and a whole bunch of other, you know, Requiem for a dream, but it's a documentary about this retirement community called the villages in central Florida And and there's like this outbreak community of Just like swingers to the point where I saw there's a video cone around where you tie a different color lufa to your car and that kind of represents like how Kinky you're willing to get with other people in your retirement community Dude, I love nobody's pulling, everyone's just blasting away. Yeah, exactly. Everyone's gone through menopause and they're sterile.

Starting point is 01:47:12 I have a whole joke about that. All pretenses are gone. It's just like wrinkles everywhere you look. Grandma's wombs are like Afghanistan. Some kind of heaven. That's that's the movie. And it really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really, they really, they really, they really, they really, they really, they really, they really, they really, they they really, they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're th. th. th. th. th. I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I, I, I, I th. I, I, I th. I, I, I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I l. I l. I love, no, no, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thooooo. No, nothe movie, yeah. And it really, they try, but they don't do justice to how strange that whole area truly is. I also have a, I have a theory that Florida man is meant to scare people from moving to Florida. I'm okay with it. No, I'm with you dude. I mean, I think it, there's just, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm a. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th live in LA, you hear people just shit on the valley,

Starting point is 01:47:45 and then you go live in the valley, and you're like, it's not that bad, dude. It's not that bad at all. The valley is pretty cool. And I convince people in the valley, trying to convince everybody not to move to the valley. Stay in the fucking, stay in Hollywood and on the west, the west, the west, the west, the west, the we we we we we we the, the, the, the, th., th., th side, you know. All right, so what are we going on to next? This is-

Starting point is 01:48:05 So the big finale here, it's more than I want to cover in one call here, but Fantasia and Fantasia is a really interesting one because it was like this huge project that didn't necessarily have the same commercial success as all the other movies. Just hold on, sorry, I need to do this. Because, you know, when we get into Pinocchio, we've had other guests on that we're talking about

Starting point is 01:48:30 the darkness of Pinocchio, and you're seeing more of the occult stories tone over time. Is it possible that over time, and that even though every single thing has to be drawn a thousand times times tiiiiiiiiiiiii ti ti. the the the the the same the same ti. the same the same the same the same the same that even though every single you know thing has to be drawn a thousand times that there were parts maybe the of of of Walt Disney that maybe was a little darker than some might want to admit and that these things were snuck in. You have a specific example that we could talk about? Well I mean when we talk about, you know, they come back, they go to Pleasure Island, they don't come back as boys, the whole, all that stuff that is involved with that.

Starting point is 01:49:18 Like is it possible? Yeah, absolutely. No, I mean, I think that they were actually talking about. Because at the time, right, in Italy, when the actual story, not just the cartoon, but when the story was written, there legitimately was all sorts of like child kidnapping and horrible crimes going on. Italy had not been unified at all at this point. That wasn't until later into the 20th century when like the Pope started telling them like, hey, I'm like writing this into the Vatican law that you guys need to stop being such dicks. But prior to that, this was a very, very real thing that was happening. Kids were getting abducted all the time. And I think that that very real thing got directly ported into the movie,

Starting point is 01:50:03 even though it might not have been happening the same way in like America in 1930s when the Pinocchio movie came out, but it was very much based on real facts. And actually there's another one that talks about Snow White because there's Snow White may have been based on two actual people in history. And one of those is like a really tragic tale because the gnomes, if I can remember this, the the gnomes and the seven nomes in Snow White at that time there was a story that kids were being sent into mines and they were getting all kinds of horribly mutilated and there was some kind of like a toxic element and it would cause their limbs to fall off and they used

Starting point is 01:50:45 to call those people that lost their limbs the poor dwarves. So Snow White and the Seven Dwarves was sort of a reference to this lady that had, you know, she worked in like royalty, like her dad was owned the minds or something and these dwarves that would go down and lose their arms and their legs and stuff. So again this, th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi th. th. th. the the. the. thi the. the. the. the. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. thea. theauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuauauoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooes. their the and these dwarves that would go down and lose their arms and their legs and stuff. So again, this is another direct reference to like horrible working conditions and and absolute tragedies, which I think is one of my favorite parts of mythology too though, is that these things get baked into these stories and you know, 200 years later it's these cool little dwarves that are singing hi-ho and they're going back to their little village, but they might have represented like some of the most horrible work enforcement in history, you know, like, mutilating people.

Starting point is 01:51:33 There's a whole, there's this whole internet conspiracy going around that the despicable mees are based on these camps in the Holocaust and these pictures of kids walk around in what looks like literally like gas suits. So well we're talking about more modern movies here so I'm trying to trace the lineage that the original ones that set the whole foundation for Disney they they were baked in deep occultism and they even try to hide it it. It wasn't subliminal at that set the whole foundation for Disney, they were baked in deep occultism and they even try to hide it. It wasn't subliminal at that point because society was

Starting point is 01:52:10 way more accepting of the Zodiac being in a movie, less so than now when, you know, if there was a zodiac in a Disney movie now, you'd have a million conspiracy blogs like they're trying to push Satan on our babies and blah blah. Yeah, it is. Which again is a puritanical approach necessarily. Yeah, I do find that interesting. But the modern ones, I think there's way more cases for like subtle, like another one of my favorites is monsters ank.

Starting point is 01:52:35 So I love the topic of adrenochrome. Yeah. And monsters ink comes up constantly things you never hear in your life. I love to talk about it, rennichrome. You're like, what? Well, and Monsters, Inc. is one of the go-toes where they literally are scaring kids and they, through the fear, they're extracting this like actual liquid that they then have to use and like store up.

Starting point is 01:52:57 And it's like their currency and their lifeblood. And like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, and their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to their, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to too too-too-too-to-to-to-s., to-s. to-s.o, to-sue. to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to-to, you know, reference to exactly what adrenochrome is sort of as like mentioned to be? For sure. Oh my God, I never even thought about it. Okay, Fantasia. And we can go through, let me hit Fantasia on a second tangent too, because another thing that comes up in the dark, there's two ones, right? One is the, the Disney princess project project, to monarch, to to thine, there's two ones, right? One is the Disney princess project monarch programming

Starting point is 01:53:27 aspect. This is where a lot of people tend to go, especially when you're talking about like Epstein and kids getting kidnapped because Project Monarch and M.K. Ultra was essentially about mind control and torture and trauma. However, I don't want to disappoint too many people here, but I 100% believe in MK Ultra and all the facets of it. I've written a comic book on it. Project Monarch is a lot more speculative. It's almost entirely based on the reports of two or three people, Cisco Wheeler, Fritz Springmeyer, and to a lesser degree, Kathy, something or other. And the MK Ultra and the Project Monarch came so far after Disney had already established this concept of like Disney princesses and that whole mentality that if anything,

Starting point is 01:54:13 if Project Monarch even existed, they just took Disney movies and this princess archetype because it was already so instilled into the public, like argue, you know, through ceremonial magic over the course of multiple decades. And they just said, hey into the public, argue, you know, through ceremonial magic over the course of multiple decades. And they just said, hey, this programming is already out there, this ceremonial magic's been going on for decades, let's just use that and build on top of it. So that's one aspect of like this dark Disney. And then the other one is very much that puritanical, like they're injecting Satan and injecting paganism and things, but it's very hard to tell a story that you're not referring back to something

Starting point is 01:54:51 that could be considered pagan because, you know, the same tense stories over and over with different characters. Just unbelievable. So Fantasia. This one, I think, is the most blatant and has the most like deep occult symbolism. I'm only going to touc on a couple of the main scenes from it. But first of all, Fantasia is literally the opening scene, it's the symphony. I don't know how many of you guys have seen Fantasia recently.

Starting point is 01:55:21 It sort of was like a whole bunch of different animations that were put together by different artists, a different bits of music, and then after all that was done, someone sat down probably with, you know, Disney at the helm and they arranged them into this master movie, but that it might not have necessarily been designed to where like the order that we see them in was what they were created in or meant to be in. however, the full work work the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one, the one the one the one the the one the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tho tho tho, tho, thus thi see them in was what they were created in or meant to be in. However, the full work is all we have to go off of. So the one cool thing is it opens up, there's no animation at all. It's the silhouettes of someone playing like a single instrument. And I take this to mean again, like this gnostic image of creation or the sephoroth,

Starting point is 01:56:00 the cobblistic Tree of Life, where it starts with this one frequency, a single instrument being played by the silhouette and just a single color, and then it starts adding more complex colors. You got different orchestra coming in, their silhouettes are coming in. So imagine a single sign wave, you know, a very pure sign wave, and you start adding more to it, you get this more complex wave, almost like FM synthesis, if anyone does like music production. So now it's like multiple waves coming in, they start adding more colors, more and more music, and then eventually it transitioned to this animation.

Starting point is 01:56:35 And this is almost a direct version of this Nostic, you know, using frequency and light and sound to actually manifest like a physical reality. Because as soon as that happens, we actually go into, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, like, like, to to to and sound to actually manifest like a physical reality. Because as soon as that happens, we actually go into like the big bang, the world gets formed, we see dinosaurs growing up. So they're literally saying, you know, the world started with the word or this frequency as I would read it. And that frequency then manifested reality, but it was an imperfect reality. And then the dinosaurs, they kind of die and there's just a whole bunch of like death imagery. The world kind of goes into like a mass desert. And it looks like everything's going to be lost. And then all of a sudden magic comes in. This is where fairies and pixies. And this is some of the very first, what we would see in like many Disney movies to come years later, it. It th. It th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. And, thi, thi, the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, and then, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, and, their, and, and, their, their, and their, their, and their, and their, thi, thi, thi, thr-a. And, theea. And, thea. And, thea. And, thea. And, their, their, their, their, their, the very first what we would see in like many Disney movies to come years and years later, it all kind of starts in this. And they've got little versions of pan running around, you know, the pan from mythology.

Starting point is 01:57:32 So we've got all these pagan elements to it. And going back to that demolay and the Freemason and the Rosicrucian, there's this concept of correlating human advancement with architecture. And I'm going to butcher this because I don't remember them all by heart, but in the dance of the hours, which is where these elephants are dancing around, they show ionic columns. And in secret teachings and Freemasonry and Rorschachianism, they teach that the, or is it the Dork, the ionic column isthat the, the, or is it the Dork? The Ionic column is like the most basic, and then you go to Dork, which is a little bit more, more complicated, and then you've got like Corinthian columns and you've got composite columns.

Starting point is 01:58:13 The idea is that over time, you could see how evolved civilization was by how many like cool extra details they put into their architecture, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, their, their, their, their, and, their, and, their, their, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they, they.e.e.e. they. they. they. their, they. their, their, their, their, their, the, their into their columns of their architecture. So it was just a straight up pillar, then, you know, they knew architecture, but they didn't have culture all the way to like these badass ones with little spirals and leaves coming out and you know filigrees coming out and stuff baked into it. You knew that they were at like the height of culture, they understood astrology in addition to masonry and all these things. So in this movie of Fantasia, there's one scene where the elephants are dancing, but they aren't really like, they can't talk or sing or do anything complicated. And this is when they have the most basic version of that column. And then a few scenes later, there's, they're dancing again, but they have a lot more intelligence to them they can sing and dance and this has that slightly more complicated column and this is something you would never even notice you know

Starting point is 01:59:07 like in the background yeah great there's columns that went by but but again if someone had to sit down there and draw these backgrounds out and you know photograph them tens of thousands of times it's not a mistake that the first one was you know the the simple column and then it got more advances it went on. So just a little injection of that like Freemasonic Demolay Rosicrucianism. No, I love that stuff, dude. I love that. And then my favorite one is that night unbald mountains. So this one is the one that I go into the deepest just because I've got a, my, we're talking last before, you know, how to pronounce my last name. It's Gorance, but that's because it's the anglicized version. It's really supposed to be Gorenk,

Starting point is 01:59:50 which I think is supposed to mean like family of the mountains or man of the mountains in Slovenia. So I've got this like, this untapped Slovenian roots that I have no connection to other than knowing that my last name somehow came from Slovenia deep down. But in the Fantasia, the most striking scene to me, there's literally this huge like satanic creature that comes out of the top of a mountain and he spreads his wings and all these ghosts fly up and witches and devils and it's all going to the theme of this song called Night Unbalt Mountain and it seems like the most out of place Disney animation and you know, because everything they did was like for kids and happy and and dancing elves and stuff.

Starting point is 02:00:34 So anyone know what I'm talking about this particular scene in Fantasia? I think so. I mean, I haven't seen the move in a long time. If you just go on Google or on YouTube and just search for Fantasia Night on Bald Mountain. Okay. So the story though, and this one, it blows my mind because of how deeply entrenched in a cultism it is. So. Oh yeah, look at that. Yeah, bro. If you see a picture of it, I mean, it is not something you would expect to see at Disney. Yeah, no know. Well, I mean, unless you start to start thinking Disney's up to some shady shit. So, so the, so let me start with the song and then we'll get into the actual animation. Look how dark that is. So, so the song is, um, was written by this guy modern,

Starting point is 02:01:18 Masorgi. And he was Russian, but he tapped a lot into like Ukrainian and Slavic folklore. And one of these tales that they had had to deal with midsummer, right? The Feast of St. John the Baptist. Yeah, this is a mountain. So dark. This is the three-headed mountain. It's just somewhere in Slovenia. Oh Greg, there's some freaking demons. The one is this giant wing thing.

Starting point is 02:01:57 Yeah, he takes the road down on some village and... drowning it, in darkness. Yeah, that seems creepy, bro. This is meant for like kids, because this is 1940. So it's meant for, this is the first movie, some kids watched, right? I mean, dude, let's be on, hold on. In a, in 1940, a four-year-old had, it was about as mature as a 20-year-old right now. So it's like, they already had three jobs. He had a full-time job, right?

Starting point is 02:02:29 Already playing child support, right? So it's just a different vibe at that time. But this, I mean, this is unmistakably a cult in nature, and what we're seeing there, that demon, his name is Chernabog. And Churnabag literally translates to the black god, which is essentially Satan. And this whole entire scene here is based on a song called Night Unbald Mountain. And the composer that wrote Night thin Bald Mountain, it's a compilation of two different stories that he was trying to narrate with music. The first one was called St. John's Eve, I believe. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, I, I, I was, I was, I was, I was th, I was th, I was th, I was th, I was th, th, thi, thi, th he was trying to narrate with music. The first one was called St. John's Eve, I believe. And again, I was talking before, St. John's Eve is midsummer Eve, that, you know, the crazy movie about the cult.

Starting point is 02:03:14 And what would happen is that on St. John's Eve, all of the witches would get to the top of this mountain and they would perform a black mass. And th and th and th, and they would th, and they, and their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thau, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thoom, tho, thi, thi, thi, th. And th. And th, I was th, I was th, I was th. And, I was thi, I was thi, I was thi, I was thi, thi, I was the, I I was was the, I was was was was the, the, I I I was was was was the, I was the, I was the, I was tooke, tooke, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, tooke, tooke, tooke, too. tooke, tooke, toe, tooke, toa, ta. And, today, today, today, to invoke, you know, Satan essentially to come down. And whoever Satan preferred, he'd pick them and they would become his horse for the night and they do all these crazy magic rituals. And then in the morning, the sun comes up and everything goes away. And this was, that was the ritual of this like black mass ritual of St. John's Eve in these Slovenian, maybe Ukrainian, folklore communities. So this actually happened, which I mean, maybe not the guy didn't come out of the mountain and turned to a big demon, but which is actually went up to this mountain and performed this black mass ritual. And the guy wrote a song based on these actual practices. I don't, why was this ever a kid? This used to scare the shit out of me when I was a kid.

Starting point is 02:04:05 I remember when I was a scene? The whole film, it just, it made me uncomfortable as a child. I remember being just put off by it and I, and now as an adult looking back on it, I'm like, what the fact. Well, this is so crazy. Well, he hired Salvador Dolly to do some of the scenes too, but I don't think they ever made it into the final movie. But that would have been amazing to see like some Salvador Dolly animations as part

Starting point is 02:04:32 of this. This is a kids. People would lose it right now. If this came from 2022, right? This is like a little Nause X at the Kids Choice Awards right now. This is for kids. This is so crazy. And it kind of brings up that like, maybe it's always been like this.

Starting point is 02:04:54 It just, people weren't looking for this. And he's eating these demons up. It does seem like the modern embodiment of those, you know, the folk stories that kids were told in, you know, and centuries past. It's similarly dark. But yeah, I remember this movie just used to scare the hell out of me. Yeah, dude, he's eating fire. It's like a giant demon just stealing souls and... I also always felt like I didn't get it With this movie like when I was a kid, you know, I was like what I'm not I just don't get this what what am I supposed to take from? There's plenty of adult if you go and try to find

Starting point is 02:05:33 Reviews and synopses right there this is the kid show with with fire tits all over the place And these are I mean you could say these are fire elementals, maybe they're demons, but it's very a cult and it's not subtle. Like, none of this is subtle. When this film came out, do you know, was it targeted for children? I mean, it was kind of a mixture because a lot of their shorts came before movies. So even if you were going to see an adult movie about, you know, the mafia or some murder, you would probably see a Disney short right before anyways. So they had fans from all different age groups, but I mean, when this came out, and right now, you know, it's rated to where it's a kids movie.

Starting point is 02:06:15 Like if you were to, I assume, go on Netflix or Disney Plus, Fantasia is probably not going to be under the adult section. Yeah, I would love to know to know to the to their their their thiiii to thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thus thus thus thus thus that. I that. I'm that. I'm to to that. that. I'm that. th. th. th. th. that. that. that. that. that. thus fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans fans th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. than. than. than. th be under the adult section, it's going to be under the kids section. Yeah, I would love to know if it's on Disney Plus and when the cartoons and stuff, I'm going to check that out real quick. And right there, that scene right here, see where he's standing with fire and he's got like a portal in his stomach. Yeah, I'll run that very well be like a link to Molok right there. Yeah, I mean, thi, th. th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, thi. thathea, th. th. th. I'm going, I'm that's, I'm that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, I'm right, I'm right, I'm right, I'm right, I'm right, I'm right, I'm right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. Right. That's a. That's yeah. Because how many pictures of Moloak with a big bull that has that same stature with like the furnace entrance in his stomach? Yeah, I mean, dude, this is crazy. I mean, like, it's so funny. It's like people losing it on Nazax. It's like, oh, dude, this has always been kids. And you know, hook them young, so interesting dude it's just super interesting how like that I guess people are just more naive then and they were just blown away by just the technology of a movie like

Starting point is 02:07:17 like oh my god look at the drawings look how cool this looks they were like okay is this is this some fucking spell being cast on my kids right now? Maybe although I kind of thin thi to it's like uh, okay, is this, is this some fucking spell being cast on my kids right now? Maybe, although I kind of think too, it's like, as time has gone on over the last hundred years, people complain about a lot more because now it's more about like, you're inconvenienced, you know, you're so used to like not being inconvenienced that there's all sort of things to complain about. But imagine in 1920s complaining about seeing something slightly scary on the movie screen. Meanwhile, like, but the next week, you know, people are literally getting shot for, for like,

Starting point is 02:07:54 union busting. Like, the difference of things that they cared about and were threatened by, it probably like cartoons were so down on that list. Yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting. Yeah, I will say I the the first the first the first. I the first. I the first. I the first. I the first. I the first. I th. I th. I will the first. I will the first. I will th. I will the first. I will th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. the the th. the th. the th. the the th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. the. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. it's interesting. Versus the actual things. Yeah, I will say I looked it up on and it the first category that it's in its family. So that's how it's rated in the Disney. So funny, dude. But like going back to like it's basically like doing stand up in Virginia versus stand up in Baltimore. People in Baltimore are going to let comedy slide a little bit more. They got bigger problems than then right now. You know, it's like it's like we've been saying, weak times, you know, good times make weak men. And as much as the chaos that we've had in the last seven years, it's still, people are pretty much doing really well. And even the poor people are killing it compared to what, like, if you go to like, what a ghetto is in Africa or certain parts of the world,

Starting point is 02:08:53 like, that's real problems. You know, when you got fat, homeless people, you got, you know, that kind of let you know that like the energy that's out there that you could actually have a, you know, be out of shape for me eating so bad., like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they, they, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. thi. to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the like the energy that's out there that you could actually have a, you know, be out of shape for me eating so bad and living on the streets. So, and it explains too why people care about different things a hundred years ago versus now. And one of my favorite quotes is a Doug Stanhope quote and it's something like your suck doesn't make my suck any less suck. Which is like just because there's you, some kids starving in Africa doesn't mean that the fact that you can only afford ramen is like an acceptable thing.

Starting point is 02:09:33 You know, you can fall into, like, acceptance, almost like a Stockholm syndrome of your condition. But on top of that, I really do feel like a litmus test. So if someone's complaining about, you know, that movie had too many pagan references, like they probably aren't worrying about scurvy, or they probably aren't worrying about black lung, you know? No, I'm with you on that. And you know, when we talk about like St. Patty's day and what that Well, in Ireland, they don't have snakes. So it's like, that's paganism right there. And they're, you know, what that represents and what like, you know, it's like, have we gotten so far into just like, just being manipulated mentally by organized religion to not being open-minded to some of the things that might be out there and that we all metcally see them as negative. Like, the swatika, the swatika, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's that's th, the the the the the the the the the the th, the the the that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's to some of the things that might be out there and that we all may actually see them as negative.

Starting point is 02:10:28 Like the swastika, we've been conditioned that that's a Nazi symbol when that's the Hindu symbol of peace. And that, for much longer than any, then this notion that's Nazis and what was that done purposefully, to get us not to look into the universe? Well again, Gray's law man, who cares if it's done purposefully if right now that represents pure malice and it embodies that it sucks how we got there or what the intention was but it is what it is right now. It's de facto evil, right? Yeah. So I mean, this has been a wonderful episode. I want to ask you, you know, you got the club 33 at Disney. That one's so less interesting than it should be. It sounds so cool.

Starting point is 02:11:13 You think 33 to Gerd Mason, you think, you know, the sun enters every house of the Zodiac at the 33 degree and it's got this, but really the going the the going the explanation is that Disney originally had 33 corporate sponsors, so they named this special club, you know, Club 33 because they had 33 sponsors, and it was unique because at the LA Disneyland, it was the only place on the park you could consume alcohol, and you'd have to know to go and knock on a special door, and if you were a member, they'd let you in, you could drink and you could eat like the fancier food than you'd see anywhere else in the park. But it also caught, like today I think it costs $40,000 a year.

Starting point is 02:11:53 It's not secret. If you can pay $40,000 and it's worth it hors d'oeuvres, and then go back out into the park and feel like you're fancy. It's like a VIP lounge at, you know, at airport. If you got the American Express black card, you get to go into the special lounge with the warm towels and the cheese. It's kind of like that at Disney. Hey, Thomas, you said you were at the fishbowl. toldk. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. the th. th. th. the the th. th. the th. th. th. the, the, th. th. It's, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, you. It's, you. It's, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. It's, the. It's, the. It's, the. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's, the the the the the the t. I. I. I. I's, t. I's, t. I's, t. I's, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thel, right? And I always, we've all seen the sublibinal messages, like the one with the Lion King where the sex thing pops up and then the little mermaid one. Disney claims they, the artist slipped it in on accident. You say that's 100%.

Starting point is 02:12:36 More than one person saw that before. Well, yeah, more to one person saw it, but I do believe that the artists slipped that in because I was saying before, Disney was a slave driver and even after he didn't have direct influence on all the production, like those guys were absolutely worked to the bone and it's like where else do you go? I don't know if it was like their way of expression is that the only way to be like, they were frustrated as hell and they snuck some stuff in there to like, ha, I got one over on them, you know? Yeah, okay. There was a huge element of that, I think, to it.

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Starting point is 02:13:56 Because there's no like, no one accidentally put that in there. Well, we already know based on what you've told us that he was in the Freemason, so that totally makes sense to me. That that would be there. Ask about the Luminati. Well, this is 89 after he died, but I would argue the DNA of baking these like a core symbols. Like, it's been in there since forever and ever. And dude, at the highest level, you know, it's very interesting when it comes to Hollywood. Like, is everybody in on it? I don't know, man.

Starting point is 02:14:28 I think that would be really hard to control, get nobody to talk about it. Like, I know we got some fringe people. I think there are a lot of people at the highest levels that do, are a part of it and do do dark shit to to basically allow them to be blackmailed. Well you know, the concept in Freemasonry of being blackballed, have you heard about this before? No. So like, so in Freemasonry, if someone applies and they want to be part of a lodge, everyone

Starting point is 02:15:01 passes around this like wooden voting thing and you've got a white ball or a black ball you can put in. And basically if someone becomes a mason, everyone has to vote unanimously with white balls. If one person out of everyone in the lodge puts a blackball in there, it's totally anonymous but that person is not allowed to be a mason, and that's where the term blackballed literally comes from. And this, it doesn't mean a whole lot now in 2022, but in 1930 or 1940, when making or breaking it in masonry might have been like being accepted in your community and getting a job or not. If you got blackballed, you literally were like an outcast in that town, you might have to move to a completely different town. So, and the reason I bring this up is that in Hollywood,

Starting point is 02:15:46 at least the people that I know that have made it anywhere, they mentioned back to like the Weinstein brothers and how the Weinstein's had this like blackball power to them, that if like you cross them or if something, you know, if you just got on their shit list, you didn't get to work anywhere because no one wanted to end up getting blackballed by the Weinstein's. And this, not just them, you can extrapolate that to Paramount and all the other major companies, but it's like once your name has that little blackmark next to it, you get blackballed, that's no different than a secret society blackballing you.

Starting point is 02:16:25 Well, I mean, I believe it, dude. I think there's a lot of symbolism in there. A lot of times you see people, you know, I've always said this, the world's ran by sorcerers. That's my whole thing. A cult is sorcery and my humble. Doesn't necessarily mean negatively, but people to manipulation of energy and stuff like that. And I think you see it at these very high levels of these giant studios. And that's the game.

Starting point is 02:16:53 And you know, they want to be like, this religion runs that, that religion runs. I think it's all cult stuff. Who's in the club, who's not in club. And that's it. Man, Thomas, you came and crushed. I enjoyed, I want to talk to you again a little bit. I'll give you my number before we go. His website is the Paranoid American.com. Thomas, thank you so much for joining us. It was a great episode.

Starting point is 02:17:16 I know I had a great time and I know these guys did too. And you know when we don't talk a lot we're listening so that means the show. Thank you so much guy. Can I sneak one last plug in before we go here? You can plug anything you've got a I've been working on a comic book with my friend Juan from the one-on-one podcast. Oh I love Juan. I've been trying to get him on the show man. So we're working on a comic right now we're already on issue two. Issue one's not out tho one th. th. the Chosen One, and he essentially goes around and meets different podcasters and every podcaster has a different special ability. And then I've also got another project with him called The Occult Book Club.

Starting point is 02:17:55 And if you just search on YouTube now miraculously, I think we're like the top research result. We've only had three episodes out. But we read end to end, end, end end end, to manuscripts, old grimwars, old like rose accrucian text, and we just break them down and analyze them for like two or three hours. And there's lots of dog dick jokes and there's lots of dog jokes and all sorts of like fart jokes and cute jokes. So we don't take each other seriously, but a cold book club. you know, so you know, so so so so so so so so you so so you so so you so you so, so so, so so, so so, so so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, th so, th. So, th. th. thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. dick, you know, there's this you know people always be like red rockets right We know that that's what people say dog dicks are right. I mean am I am I am I yeah, thank you Xavier Johnny's getting me dirty looks like a lot of a bunch of them on on the on the four so if you go by Universal City Walk there's a it shows you all the different rides and movies and one is involving like a dog's life, right?

Starting point is 02:18:45 And it's literally a dog riding a red rocket. Oh, that's great. That's great. And I'm like, okay, guys, we get what you're doing there. Shut up, Johnny. You know what's going on. Stop it with that. That could be a magical, because part of the magic is finding the biggest dog dick you

Starting point is 02:19:05 can and beating a dead corpse of a cow with it until bees come out. So that would be the biggest dog dick you'd be able to find. That is. If you're interested, check out episode three of a. I really love that everyone's like, we're getting more or more perverse. I'm like, you have no clue what they used to do back in the day. We just feel more guilty about it. That's the difference. Everyone got weird back in the day. Again, man, I love one. I want to get him on the show because I think he's a, he's, and I can say same thing

Starting point is 02:19:36 about you guys are great. And I enjoyed our conversation and I look forward to the next one. Likewise. Thank you. You don't have to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say to say the same the same the same to say to say to say to say to say their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. next one. Likewise, thank you so much. Johnny XG is awesome. Meeting you guys, Jay Nice. You don't have to say anything to them. They're, they're, we'll talk again soon, man. I've got all kinds of cool and ideas for you. Okay, I got. I appreciate you guys. Thanks.

Starting point is 02:19:57 I hope to see you guys at float Beth come get weird enjoy Enjoy your weekend guys There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron! This is only the beginning. You just blew my mind.

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