Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #566: The Black Madonna with Alessandra Belloni

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Starting point is 00:03:52 So anything you need at Sam Triply. Guys, anything else? No, that's it. That broke it.'s a real good one. Talk about Eddie Bravo's stand-up, brilliant. This is a great episode. We talk about, we talk about the Black Madonna. Enjoy the episode. We go deep home boy. Dude, open your mic. Drink. Drink. Funnuf. Very excited about this episode, because this gets into what I, one of my favorite topics,

Starting point is 00:04:24 which is hidden history, the rewriting of history, you know, Johnny hit me up the other day, he's like, dude, what is it about these shows where they like have somebody like, they just suddenly they're a black character playing a white person from history? It's having all the time, dude. And this is like to me the rewriting of history. They don't want you to know your history. And we have a very, you know, we have this kind of time in history where, you know, the Catholic Church went around and forced a certain doctrination on people, well I should say more the Vatican, went around and forced the doctrination on people, and history was lost. And that includes beliefs and religions and spirituality

Starting point is 00:05:07 from the past I think are very important so these are the conversations that I really love to have so I'm excited as a young lady on she was on my zero podcast and now we're here again she's been around the world she's seen some amazing things and She's quite the dancer. I've heard so I'm very excited to have her on. Please welcome Elizandra Bellone yes, did I get it? Did I get it? Why do you ask? I think she did? Yeah! I love having you on. Thank you so much. You crushed it on? Uh, my zero? Oh, the zero? I'm? I'm very, the? I'm? I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the than the the than the that the that the the the the. th. I love having you on. Thank you so much. You crushed it on my Zero podcast. So I'm very excited to have you on. And get back into and have a conversation with you. I know we have you for a short time, so we're going to get into it. For our listeners who may not have heard you on zero, can you tell us a little bit about you, your past?

Starting point is 00:06:06 All some of the wonderful things that you've done. Well, I'm from Italy, so I need to kind of stress that, that I was born in Italy and grew up there and then came here as a teenager. So I've dedicated most of my life to researching our folklore from the South of Italy, which is deep into roots like you were saying, pre-Christian roots. And the South of Italy was called Maghrecha was also part of ancient Greece. So what happened as I was doing research for the music, which I play, you know, on stage and I now teach that's

Starting point is 00:06:45 when I discovered all these incredible ancient traditions that are musical most of them connected to you know what we now worship as a black madonna but really showing this ancient worship to different aspects of the earth goddess of the earth mother of the different aspects of the earth goddess, of the earth mother, of the moon goddess, of the sea goddess. So spirituality that, as you mentioned, has been definitely hidden by the Vatican or the, you know, the Catholic Church especially, but interesting enough in our tradition, it's never died.

Starting point is 00:07:24 So what I've done is research it, put it together on stage, perform it, write my own shows dedicated to different teams, especially to the healing of the earth, and to bring it different cultures together, and also showing how the Black Madonna represents the African mother. So what I've done, so what I've done, I have that. So what I've done, I, I've to put to put to put to put to put to put to put to put to put to do to do the the the the to put that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that, that, but that, but that, that, that. that, that. that, that, that, that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. the the that. the the that. that. the the the the the that. the that. the that. the that. that. that. that. that. that, that. that. that. that. that. that. that. together and also showing how the black Madonna represents the African mother. So what I've done I've done it as a singer, percussionist, also dancer, but and as artistic director of this company. And I have traveled around a lot, especially in drum festivals around the world and the

Starting point is 00:08:04 beauty of this is that you always see that there are so many connections, you know, between our tradition from the south of Italy and others, especially going to Brazil, you see, you know, the rhythms are the same, the African rhythms are the roots. So I specialized in really making this tradition alive around the world, but also then a fusion with others, with other ethnic groups. So I would say it's more global,

Starting point is 00:08:37 it's not just Italian. And the main reason for it is healing. Healing through an ancient knowledge when people knew that the earth is alive as a human as a like human beings she can think and nurture and and listens so and the music is part of that. Music is devotional so that's what I specialize in and and share You are in a time when people need it, you know, you are a world-class drummer You're you're travel the world and people you're renowned for your drumming and and and? I mean you've been doing this for so long Where does your journey begin? Where does this whole story start?

Starting point is 00:09:27 Because I remember talking to you in your early childhood and a lot of stuff that you were going through then led you to kind of start to look into what many would call, the occult maybe, like in terms of hidden history, stuff, secrets that maybe weren't out there that you just kind of went out and pursued? Was am I right on that at all? A little bit. I don't personally call it the occult,

Starting point is 00:09:52 but I was interested, as a child, I began as an actress, as a singer and actress in Rome, but when I, and my grandfather played the percussion, the tambourine and this folk music from the South, but I wasn't really into that. It's really when I came, I came to New York to be an artist, and then I went back to Italy, and I realized that even though I was doing theater and other things, it was a piece of me missing because I needed to connect with my deep roots. And these roots were really, you know, from the south, you know, the south of Italy where, like you say, the hidden culture, that where people still honor the saints or the Madonna with very ancient,

Starting point is 00:10:49 I would say pagan rituals and they're very powerful. So it began in the late 70s by listening to this music and then decided to travel all over the south and from one place to the next and I had a lot of mystical experiences as well as healing. You know I was the south and from one place to the next and I had a lot of mystical experiences as well as healing, you know, I was ill and I had a vision of the black madame and then through the dance of the tarantella I healed myself from this irregular, um, it was irregular bleeding but it was actually a form of cancer cells in the cervix. So that was really the starting point for me to understand that I was onto something more that it wasn't just performing the music, but to bring alive something that was, again, hidden

Starting point is 00:11:39 by the church, but truly powerful healing. And a lot of it is through the rhythm. It's through the drumming and the dance. So I have then taken this on after I healed myself and also used it. I used it with other women, you know, women who suffered abuse. So, but it really began, you know, in the 70s when I was in search of my own expression as an artist and it took me back to this, to this roots.

Starting point is 00:12:13 I was like really more I was called than, you know, I found me, I would say. You know what I mean? Sometimes you look for things but then I ended up in the South of Italy hearing this music and being in a collective ritual drumming and it really took me by the heart especially the instrument the tambourine. You know seems like a simple yeah but it's not. Let's get into the Black Madonna. Who is the Black Madonna?

Starting point is 00:12:46 What does she represent? And before we get into that, do the Moors and Sicilians, because I am a quarter Sicilian, my grandmother was Sicilian, my father was Italian, and I used to say they were the same thing about my dad was like, well, they have very distinct paths and stuff like that. They're not the same thing. And so I've always really, the same. And, and th. And, and th. And, and th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they were the same thing about my dad was like, well, they have very distinct paths and stuff like that. They're not the same thing. And so I've always really been proud of my Sicilian background. There's, you know, very famous scenes for movies involving Sicilians and stuff like that. So, tell us a little bit, are you Sicilian? No, I was born in Rome. I'm not Sicilian, but I know Sicily very, very well. Sicily is really one of the places. I know well like the other region of Calabria.

Starting point is 00:13:35 I've traveled all over. And Sicily is known as the land of the island of Demeter and Persephone, the goddess, you know, the meter of the earth and Persephone of the underworld. So the black Madonna, that you asked me, what does she represent? It's complex. It's not so simple to describe her in a few words. I wrote a book of 435 pages, by the way. Healing Journeys with the Black Madonna.

Starting point is 00:14:04 It's right here. And, um, the first thing I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, the black, the the black, the black, the black, the black, the black, the black, the black, the black, the black, the black, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, is, is, is, the black, is, the black, is, I, is, I, is, I, by the way, healing journeys with the black Madonna. It's right here. And the first thing I can say, she represents the earth mother, the womb of the earth where we come from, so that darkness. She represents also the cosmic mother, the darkness of the cosmos, which is the region of life. She represents also the the the the dark side of the moon and the dark side of the cosmos, which is the origin of life. She represents also the moon and the dark side of the moon as well, and very important. She's also obviously what we recognize as the origin of humanity as the African mother, you know, it's not, you know, it's proven. we know that there is one the the the the the original the cosmos of the origin of humanity as the African mother. You know, it's not, you know, it's proven.

Starting point is 00:14:48 We know that there is one original humankind in Africa. So the black Madonna also represents that. The black mother where we come from, and again, very much the earth and the cosmos. And in ancient times, people knew the, what I think, you know, that was, that's the title that I was, that's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. And in ancient times people knew the what I think, you know, that was, that's the title that I want to give if I do the film and was the original trigal of my book. Is I really think that God is a woman and she's black because that's really the origin where we come the dark matter. Yeah, I agree with that man. I've always said that. I've always said that that was even in jokes. I have jokes about but but you know it's just super interesting because we've seen like so many different images of mother whether it's Jesus and stuff like that

Starting point is 00:15:41 and then the rewriting of all these things and You know again like I'm open-minded to Anything and everything I think again like when if people try to keep peeling back the onion to try to find what is the singular truth and I don't think it exists and I I also you know after our discussion we had last time I was kind of thinking that like maybe there's different deities and different in different regions, you know, that like different connections to different portals. Maybe different but like when you think about like if we're all part of the universe, right? And in early days, right? Right? And the whole notion is that like, you reach a spiritual level and you ascend and become part of God. Maybe, maybe these earlier beings became different entities to different people and represented

Starting point is 00:16:38 different things. And I mean, there is a lot of the theories of the gods being not just gods out there, but beings. Yes, that's my own. And I think the black Madonna is alive. That's a being, that's not just a statue or an icon. She's alive. Yeah, I totally agree with that, man. I totally agree. I think it's super interesting. Like all like all of like just how they've

Starting point is 00:17:06 rewritten everything and the history and why does the black Madonna resonate so much with you like what is it about her and why have they like hidden her so much like what does she represent that that somewhat scares and you know when you get into patriarchy versus matriarchy, I feel that like, I just feel like that's just a way to divide us some more. I do feel that women are super powerful. And like, I know every guy I know that is like killing it in life,

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Starting point is 00:18:20 because they're just dealing with a lot of stuff. And so when we get the their they they they they they they they they they're they're just they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just they're just dealing with a lot of stuff. And so when we get to, to, um, patriarchy versus, you know, matriarch. It starts a fight with everybody when I think it's more of a yin and a yang together and everybody brings something and you don't want two yans and that's none to do with straighter gay, but I'm just talking like, like, personalities of how people like you need an elf and a beta you need like you need two people that fill each other's needs and that's kind of lost today in this kind of feminist versus like misogynist kind of a thing right I agree very much and what's interesting in the black

Starting point is 00:19:00 Madonna tradition one of the things that really got me in the dance in the drumming everything is male and female there is a male the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th black Madonna tradition, one of the things that really got me in the dance, in the drumming, everything is male and female. There's a male way of playing the drum and a female way of playing the drum. There's a female castanet and a male castanet. And the movements in the dance are very specific. Some are for men, some of women. What really drew me to the black Madonna, I can't say it's one thing. It, it, it, it, it, it, it, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, is, is th, is th, is thi, is th, is What really drew me to the Black Madonna, I can't say it's one thing. It said I discovered her by chance when I was traveling in Italy to do research on the folk music, but I just felt her calling me,

Starting point is 00:19:37 like I would stare at the statue and have these mystical experiences. That's why I think it's alive, it's a being really really like telling me, come to me and follow my path. You know, come to me and follow my path. And I was very young, so I didn't really know, you know, what I know today, I didn't know that was like, what I think now was kind of the voice of the Earth mother, you know, and it was also, from one place I would go to the next.

Starting point is 00:20:12 It was like, she showed me, you know, one devotion, one place where the ancient goddess Chibale for example was worshipped, which is also the protector of transgender and gays still today near Naples. And then from there I would be led to another place where there is an ancient statute of the goddess ISIS from Egypt and now this is our lady of freedom. And then from there, I go to another place where you find a Madonna of the poverty, the the Madonna of the Poor that was found under the earth by poor people and can only be carried by poor people. If rich people try to carry her, she gets really heavy, she doesn't want to be carried.

Starting point is 00:20:56 So the journey to me was, and still is, led by her. So, why am I drawn to that? It's because she has been manifesting that to me. And also because she has a message that is important today that she's alive. And she can heal, you know, in the Middle Ages, they used her devotional music during the time of the plague, the drumming to send the way fear of death and fear of the plague. So today I think she's even more relevant because we're going through some back in time in

Starting point is 00:21:39 some ways with war and plague and she was the one always brought out in procession and prayed to liking pre-Christian times to heal to bring healing to the community and to transform the power of transformation I think that's a big part of the Black Madonna. Hey everybody want to tell you about our friends at Bespoke Post that's right take your summer adventures to the next level with Bespoke Post and their new seasonal lineup, a must have box of awesome collections. Bespoke partners with small business and emerging brands to bring you unique goods every month. Okay, let me tell you about my favorite box, okay?

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Starting point is 00:24:13 and then became the mother of Christ, is ISIS from Egypt, ISIS with baby Oros, and that's African. But she's black also, you know, she's black because of the earth because of representing the African mother. But then in Christianity, in early Christianity, for the first 300 years, when they represented Mary and Jesus,

Starting point is 00:24:47 they painted these dark icons. They were dark skin people because they said the first painter was St. Luke's, who painted the first Mary and Jesus, because he knew they were dark. So there is another aspect that is very interesting that the black Madonna now is is worshipped in Catholic countries as Mary Mother of Christ. And the Christ is black, baby Jesus is black. And that's very important that the Christian, the Catholic Church didn't make her disappear.

Starting point is 00:25:24 They kept her. They never questioned why she's black. But the other truth is that those first paintings, and you will find those in Byzantine icons, they were dark skin because obviously, Mary and Jesus were dark, you know, were brown people. They were not white. That's impossible. Yeah, and it's's very interesting because again going back to our conversation Johnny, you know, they're rewriting this stuff in these TV shows.

Starting point is 00:25:54 Well, they've been doing that for centuries because they've taken Jesus and there was this discussion on on who is the picture, who is the picture that they use for the white Jesus it's crazy and it's this prince that they break it down like an 18th century prince the white Jesus is is actually a who is the white Jesus named that or a pictured after? And it's like, it's, yeah, and it's like this famous. Yeah, dude, it's like this famous. That I didn't know, but, you know, it began also in the Renaissance, when you start seeing all those white Madonna's with blue eyes, a lot of them,

Starting point is 00:26:45 and the Jesus too. That was really very smart. I mean smart, I don't think it's smart, but there was a move of the Vatican, you know, commission in the artists and they had to do it that way. They had to make them, you know, like Botticelli or Miguel, they always painted them pretty light and with blue eyes, which if you think of it, can you imagine somebody from North Africa and those in those times being blue eye and blonde?

Starting point is 00:27:17 It's ridiculous. Totally ridiculous. Yeah, I'm saying you right now, the guy that is named, that they believe that white Jesus was paying after and it's, oh really? Caesar, Cesar, Borga, B. Borgia. Borgia. Borgia. Yeah, I know who that is.

Starting point is 00:27:39 Like that, that he is the guy that's the re-sense. Yeah, I know who that is. That the guy that Renaissance. Yeah, that Borges, sure, I know who that is. That they re-did shot. Yeah, he's he the shot. No, something else on that. It was the model for all the new Jesus. Yeah, 100% so it becomes a great. Borja, yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:56 Yeah, that's who they is the guy that they, they mimicked, uh, and created white Jesus. It feels like Mark. What's that? It looks like Mark a little bit, doesn't he? It really does. Mark loves her and his name on the show, anytime we talk about Mark, the artist used him as to resemble Jesus? No, no, they made Jesus resemble Him. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:28 And that's because the rewriting of history, as we just talked about, you know, what basically they did was the Catholic Church went around and took a bunch of pagan rituals and incorporated them into Catholicism in order to get people to follow Catholicism. You know, it's just like, hey dude, we're just like this too, and we're just like that as well. So, you know, so it wasn't a giant shock to get these people to fall under the control of the Catholic Church, or the Vatican, should I say. It's very weird because you know so many great Catholics out there and they just

Starting point is 00:29:14 want to be religious, right? They just want to be into religion and they don't co-sign on a lot of what the Vatican has done and is doing. And I think it's just a really, it's like we always say about any religion and any group. It's like groups, the groups are great. It's these small group of people at the top that always cause the chaos between, uh, between everybody and make us all fight with each other. But I want to get back to the Black Madonna because you brought up some interesting stuff and that is, you know, as we talk about Tataria on the show, we talk a lot about organs and vibrations and healing people,

Starting point is 00:29:55 and you have talked about how, through these ceremonies and these rituals that you've learned about the Black Madonna, that worship the Black Madonna that that worship the Black Madonna. It has helped you in fact heal and cure some stuff that's going on in your life. Can you tell us a little bit about that? Well it's really the power of the devotion through drumming so I also also true prayer so So I've had some, you know, important mystical moments with her. Again, when I said when I was diagnosed with this cancerous conditions, I had a vision of her over my bed when I came out of surgery and she led me to do all the

Starting point is 00:30:42 other research that I've been doing. Also I felt every time that I was part of the specific ceremonial day or feast that's something which shifted me so if I asked for a grace or a miracle most of the times it really did happen. It had to do, you know, a long time ago with the freeing my ex-husband from addiction, we received a miracle as we were praying by this Madonna that has a crown with 12 stars and the center star started to move towards us, as she was saying, come to me, come to me, and I'm not making this up, this is really what happened.

Starting point is 00:31:30 And she's called an Arle of Freedom, and we felt that she was there to tell us you're free, and it was really for him to be free of his problems and come out, you know, and it came out sober. So that was one of the strongest moments to really witness that, you know, and you can't explain when these things happen. And in the same, you know, for others that I'd helped,

Starting point is 00:31:59 you know, through the drumming workshops and dance, whenever I led a ceremony for the person to release whatever trauma or problems they were going through, they would tell me, and it happened, they would come out of trauma or that specific problem they were working during the ritual, that they would have a vision of the Black Madonna at that moment that she appeared without me knowing it. Because there I was guiding it with that moment that she appeared without me knowing it. Because there I was guiding it with the drum and singing, but without me knowing it, she came through. Again, because she's alive. So, um, these are, you know, sounds like, um, strange things to describe to most people but I think you understand these things. Yeah on this show totally makes sense. Guys want to tell you about

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Starting point is 00:34:56 us and all that stuff. What is it about these rituals and these vibration and these drumming beats that you think, what, how does it have an effect on the human body? Well, that's not really all scientifically explained, but we don't, we do know that the vibration of the six state rhythm, you know, which is African too, as a part, is a trans-inducing rhythm. So it has a power to kind of alter your state of mind. And through that, you can let go let's, you, you, you, you, you, you th, th, th, th, th th, th, th th th th the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th and the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the an the an thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, theeeeeee an the an the an the, rhythm, so it has a power to kind of alter your state of mind, and through that you can let go of whatever your trauma problem is,

Starting point is 00:35:32 and receive the healing, the vision. The four-four rhythm is also another even rhythm used. A lot of that has definitely connection also with your heart beat, so it brings you back in balance. So you feel that rhythm, connects your to your heart and your womb, any balances you get again if you've been out of balance. The six-sate also as a power to induce trends, but also to make the body move in a certain way. So that with certain motions, especially like turning and spinning, and spinning, the move in a certain way. So that with certain motions,

Starting point is 00:36:07 especially like turning and spinning, you kind of can let go of your ego, your mind, and do a motion that cleanses your aura, your oric field. So that's a big part of it. And it's not just in Italy, as you probably know, it's also in Africa or Brazil or Cuba, other parts of the world, the Sufis, you know, in Islam, the movement, but those movements are always led by the drum. So I believe, like you, that the vibration is also cosmic, you know,

Starting point is 00:36:41 it comes from the cosmos. The drum captures that, and we are part of the universe, we're part of the cosmos, so we need to balance that again, so the drum can make that happen, unifies us with the vibration out there of the cosmos. And also, you know, there is probably the resonance of the earth. Because a lot of these places where they have the Black Madonna sanctuaries are located over ancient temples, were really built by people in the ancient times knowing that was a power spot of the earth. So the vibration of the earth really is right there under your feet, you can fill it. These lay lines. Again. Here we go. Here we go. The vibration of the earth really is right there under your feet. You can fill it. These lay lines, again, here we go.

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Starting point is 00:38:07 early on a rock in the middle of space and deep empty space and just all this stuff is super random and it just happened and just all this stuff perfectly worked out and stuff like vibrations and music and frequencies, you know, they just happen to have an effect on you but but that's just random as well. And it's just like, like, the the the the the the the the the the the the middle the middle the the middle the the middle the middle the the middle middle the the the middle middle middle middle the the the the the middle middle middle the the the the middle the the middle the the the the middle the middle the middle the middle the middle the middle the middle the middle of the middle the middle the middle the middle the middle the middle the middle the middle the middle the middle the middle the middle the middle the middle the middle the middle the middle the the the the the middle the the the the the the the the the middle the the the the middle the the middle the the middle the middle the middle the the middle the middle the the middle the middle the the middle the middle the the middle the the the the the the the the the the the the rock. the the the of the the the of the the the the the the the middle of the the the middle of the the middle of the you know, they just happen to have an effect on you, but that's just random as well. And it's just like, it's just this long con game. It's just, yeah, and everything's about getting away from homeopathic natural remedies to deal with you because there's no money in it. There's no money in it. Yeah, I've been searching for that myself for different things. Yeah. In Italy, it's very use. Omeopathy is very common. All pharmacies have a big section of homeopathy. Not here. Here it's very hard because the pharmaceutical industry is such a business.

Starting point is 00:39:05 But the homeopathy comes from that principle too, right, to find that balance in a more natural way. But so the lay lines that you were saying are part of why this particular place is where I've been, but I'm sure there are so many in the world as you know the drumming ceremonies can really be effective more than anywhere else because we're already working with the vibration coming from the earth or from the ocean and then from the cosmos and the sky so ancient people knew it and they built you know temples like that with all this facing the sun, facing the

Starting point is 00:39:45 moon, facing this, and um, but I believe the Christianity, you know, the first people in power, especially, they still knew that. They, a lot of churches the way they built are done the same way, and using some alchemy as well, you know. They, some of the priests or where people that were building, especially in the Renaissance, were highly elevated spirituality and spirituality, even though it was still a business and they hired artists that could maintain that, those power spots in certain places. And the thing about these lay lines is that a lot of people believe they're amplifiers. They amplify energy.

Starting point is 00:40:33 So it's very easy to get information or energy across a wide area very quickly. So if we take a look at like if you're asking me I guarantee Washington DC, New York, they're all on these kind of lay lines which you know you have so you go well if nobody watches CNN MSNBC and all this stuff why is everything they talk about seem to be everywhere? Well this might be able to explain it because if they're talking about these talk about seem to be everywhere. Well, this might be able to explain it, because if they're talking about these, this information and putting it out to the universe,

Starting point is 00:41:10 on these lay lines, it's very easy to get it amplified to a large area of people. You know, I mean, like, that's really what it is, because I watch. Interesting what you're saying, wow. Yeah, right? I mean, I've been thinking about that. It's like, nobody's watching Delavitt, nobody's watching the news, but yet the information's everywhere and you're like, maybe they just know. I'm not watching the news anymore. I'm done. I can't take it. Yeah, well, because you're a smart person, that's why. And you, you you understand why, very, you're a the the the the the the the the the that's that's that's that's that's that's the that's that's that's the that's the the that's the that's the that's the that's the that's that's that's that's smart. that's that's that's that's smart. that's that's that's that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tel. tel. that's smart. that's smart. that's smart. that's smart. that's smart. that's smart. that's smart. no, I don't need to see it that way. But it's everywhere anyway, of course.

Starting point is 00:41:49 Yeah, on the internet and all that. So that's why going back to Crane, in the ancient way, so important to, you know, to kind of, as an exercise and send away all this negativity, send it away. Yes, true things are happening, but the more you dwell on it, the more we bring it to us. There are other ways to dispel it, you know? And in ancient times, they didn't, there were wars, they were always war and contagious disease as well, but people didn't really dwell on it on this

Starting point is 00:42:27 negativity. There was so much spiritual practice connected, you know, to the earth and to the cosmos and to the moon to really receive the healing, the power, from somewhere else and not in a necessarily an organized religion. You know, because organized religion then becomes a business. When you see these like these, these, on these laylines, these ancient relics of past pyramids or churches or holy sites. Do you, what are some of the things that we've learned about these ancient sites

Starting point is 00:43:11 that kind of been hidden from us? I mean, you don't mention that there's some black Madonna, symbolism and stuff like that, but is it all of the black Madonna or is there have there are there other spiritual or religious beliefs that kind of been hidden from us over time and what do they represent? Do you understand what I'm saying does that make any sense like what are the things that we've thought? I think I do I mean my direct experience it's been more in Italy which is full of churches and temples and and sacred sites, right, like also the ancient archaeological sites.

Starting point is 00:43:56 It's what I felt many times, the layline in some places like in one in Sicily where there is a black Madonna that there, so she's found in the sea so there is a spot where there is the ocean three lakes of salt water with this very magical sand around it and then the mountain above and a cave right that place is definitely a lay line where all these powers come together where you feel the mountain above and a cave, right? That place is definitely a lay line where all these powers come together, where you feel the volcanic soil, the lake and the sea, and when they meet,

Starting point is 00:44:36 that's when you feel this vibration, that is definitely the healing. I've done a lot of bathing in those lakes, and took people with me there. Everybody feels like they're going through some kind kind of the the the the the the the the the the power, the power, the power, the power, their their their their their their, and their, and their, and their, and their, where, where, where, where, where, where, where, where their, where their, where their, where their, where their, where their, where their, where their, where their, where their, where their, where their, where, where, where, where, where, where their their, where, where their, where their, where their their, where the power, where the power, the power, the power, the power, the power, the power, the power, the power, the power, the power, the power, those lakes and took people with me there. Everybody feels like they're going through some kind of purification and transformation. So, and that's made by nature. Man didn't build that. So that's one my experiences and how did the ancient people know that? That's where they built a temple of the goddess Chibel, and now in the mountain it's the black Madonna of Tindari.

Starting point is 00:45:10 I think they had the power, you know, of communicating, you know, obviously with the spirit world. And in some cases, gods probably were spirits or beings, were not just the statue of God, you know. And it's like South America, I also been to South America. All those temples represent beings. They were not just fantasy. So I think in like a layline like that one in Sicily, for example, ancient people communicated with other beings and like that one in Sicily, for example, ancient people communicated with other beings and spirits that already were there and they were directed to build certain

Starting point is 00:45:53 things there or to come there for prayers. But the main focus was always healing. It was always for the good of the community, not for, like in other cultures, they did sacrifices, not in this part of the world, not in the Mediterranean. It was really more for mother nature. She would, you know, show them how she's alive, how the meeting of the earth and the ocean create that vibration, create that force, and their devotion was really to honor her as a living being. And, you know, something, of course we forgot today because look at what's happening to our planet.

Starting point is 00:46:38 Doesn't make sense, what I'm saying? So I think there was a communication, you know, from the Earth mother, that there was a communication, you know, from the earth mother, the ocean spirit, other beings, you know, call it Afrodite, the goddess of the sea, but they were alive with them, directing them on what to do and how to do it. I completely understand what you're saying, and I think this has a lot to do with this long con game that has happened with disconnecting us from source from God from the Black Madonna from nature hurting us into these giant cities where we we are disconnected from nature and they can control us easier

Starting point is 00:47:23 and we start to get into, you know, I mean, some of you talked about in the last time you were on the show but like, you know, it's like there was a time in the Middle East where like back in the day where people are afraid that the world was coming to an end or the plague was coming. And you know we don't do this anymore we don't we don't talk we don't get spiritual when. th th th th th th th th th th th th things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things things. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. tog. tog. tog. tog. tog. tog. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. the the the the the the t anymore. We don't we don't talk we don't get spiritual when things get crazy right? We actually go the opposite way of that and like you know so a plague is here what do we end up doing? We we we try to take more and more drugs to deal with it whether to numb it out or to just as a magic feather to make us think we're doing something I mean look at what everyone did with this coronavirus all this like draw all the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. We just just thi. th. th. We don't th. We don't the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. We th. We th. We th. We th. We don't is is is is is is the. We don't is the. We don't is the. We don't is the. We don't is the. We don't. We don't. We don't, toea. We don't, toea. We don't, toea. We don't, toe. We don't, thea. We don't, the the the the something. I mean, look at what everyone did with this coronavirus. All this like draw all these insane Pfizer drops are happening.

Starting point is 00:48:08 Like 12% effectiveness on a virus has a 99.6% survival rate. Like we just we just don't want to trust our nature, our natural immunity, our connection with God and all that stuff and there's like for every sicknesses on there out there, you always hear there is a natural remedy for it, but nobody wants to do that. Now we live in this kind of crazy times where everyone thinks the world's come to an end. Guess what? You're not the first generation think the world's coming to an end. It happens every like 10 years right the cold war sounded really scary yeah of course I didn't live through it but like put them telling you to get under your your desk as a kid I'm like how that do that be traumatizing as fuck well yeah I can imagine yes get under your

Starting point is 00:48:57 desk so when a nuclear bomb which Johnny believes it uh it's gonna and get you. So it's like so ridiculous dude. Yeah, I've been feeling that a lot that we've been really feeling in, they've been telling us to live in fear. I'm very sensitive and it's not a good thing. You know, somehow this fear has to be released. Yes. You know, because... Yes. A big way is like turn off your television. Turn off the- Well, guess what I haven't been watching television anymore. There we go, because you're smart one. So I also- In months, I can't watch some stuff that I'm curious about on you too.

Starting point is 00:49:40 And then sometimes I wonder, it's like am I really that weak, that fragile? I just can't watch it. It's, you know, it's affecting thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thus thus thi thi thi thi thi thus thus thus to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be thus I even th. I even th. I even th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I the the the the theat the theat theat theat toeat theat toeating toeat toeating toeat toeating toeating toeating to the the the is like, am I really that weak, that fragile? I just can't watch it. I really, it's affecting me and others, I think, in the wrong way. I totally agree with that. And we have this chaos right now. I want to get your opinion on feminism today and what it represents, because, you know, when we talk about, you know, mother earth, you know, mother is a provider, a nurture. and and. and and. and and. and that.. and that. and that. And, and that. And, and that. And, and that. And, and that. And, and that. And, and that. It, and that. It, and that, that, that, it, it, it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it is, it is, it. It, it is, it. It is, it, it, it. It is, it. It is, it. It is, it. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It, it. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It's, it, it. It's, it. It's, it. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it about, you know, mother earth, a mother is a provider, a nurturer and all that stuff, and like for me, like the divine feminine and modern day, like third-way feminism, doesn't seem to be doing that at all, and it actually seems to be hurting people into a way that we kind of

Starting point is 00:50:25 have been talking about this disconnect from history from from your earth, from love, from God. Now this again is not a conversation where you've got to have kids, you got to have kids, that's the only what you're having. I'm not, I'm thinking that at all. I'm just saying like we've kind of gotten away from women being nurturers in a way. Am I wrong on that? Well, no, no, it depends on the women, but I always felt that too, that feminism of course helped us, you know, with women liberation and to, you know, of course fight for abortion and things like that. But on the other end, as ruined a a little bit the image of women being women, you know, women being feminine and making them be more masculine or take on certain roles, there are more men's roles.

Starting point is 00:51:20 Maybe I'm Italian and old-fashioned, but I still think there are certainties, there are more women roles and more men roles. And the maternal aspect of a woman should be natural, it should be there. So I think that in this society there is a lot of, a lot of things are really screwed up and confused. And that's a very interesting conversation but you know do I but I always felt that there is an imbalance especially here not not so much in Latin countries but women really want to be more men but I don't think that's the solution either. It's okay I mean of course I'm old for people being transgender and changing and doing what they feel their soul really is. But if you live as a you know if you're a woman you should still identify more as a woman than as

Starting point is 00:52:15 men. Yeah. So when you when you said early like because you know we had Christopher Noel I'm not sure if you're familiar with him but he's come on the show and he's talked a lot about how a lot of stuff we see coming out of Hollywood is basically ancient, ancient, ancient religions, from the occult religions from the past involving trans and transgender and we have this giant war going on about transgenderism and all that stuff and you know and it's and I think you know it's very interesting because we get into the we get into how the Catholic Churches come around and you know basically took Bibles and and force people to take the Bible the the the, uh, we have the the ta, the tri. the the the tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha g g g g g g g g. tha. thas thas thas thas the the the the the the the the the thi. thas the thi. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tri. tri. tri. tha tri. tri. tha. tri. tri. tha. tha. trie. the tha. tha. the the the the trie. tri. the tri. tri. tri. the trie. the the the the the the the the and, you know, basically took Bibles and force people to take the Bible literally and there's a whole talk about how that wasn't what

Starting point is 00:53:14 it was meant to be that it was a philosophy, that's what the Dead Sea Scrolls are, that these spirituality, again, and this is not anti-Bibble because, you know, the Bible has wonderful stories in it to learn how to live your life by it. And everything gets into the weaponization of it by power people trying to control everybody and get us all the fight with each other. So we have this giant movement right now where people are very nervous that we're seeing this movement to, you know, push trans, trans, you know, transgenderism on to children who may not be ready to have that conversation.

Starting point is 00:53:54 And that's true too, yeah. You know, and it's just like, and I also think in that we've had this kind of like super expansion into this kind of crazy realm where we're like there's and this is something I want to talk to you about too like there's a billion genders and all that stuff and you know when you talk about the Kabbalian and you know I'm really into like hermetic principles they talk about Yin and Yang and how there's men and women and everything but yeah here we are again, you know, there's the, there's masculinity and feminity and everybody, but yeah, here we are again with the weaponization of these things that makes it so we can't even find a medium, like a point to agree on.

Starting point is 00:54:36 Do you guys understand what I'm saying? Like, everything's got to be extreme, and if you don't agree that, then we're at war. And it's just like, I, I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, there's, there's, there's, there's, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there's there's th. there's th. there's, there's, there's, there's, th. there's, th. there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's just like I Think what we're going to see is this giant kind of pull back into like sanity and Common sense which is you do you you you be you just don't push in me and and let it be whatever that is yeah I feel that there has been a lot of more division than before right now especially I have a lot of friends that transgender. I been a lot of more division than before right now. Especially, I have a lot of friends that are transgender, a lot of students. Transgender is so old. You know, again, the rituals for the black Madonna were done by men became women, they were transgender and all that. It's nothing new. It's just the way right now, I think people are more divided than together.

Starting point is 00:55:28 That's what I feel. It's everything. It's a wall, no wall. But it should be the other way around. Right? Sorry. I just think, no, no, you don't have to apologize. I'm sorry, but we cut you off right there.

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Starting point is 00:57:37 or you're attacking those beliefs, that you're attacking them. And then that's right and that's not true. Exactly. Exactly. People should be so free of, you know, their own beliefs. But right now if you, she's gonna agree with certain things, it's politically incorrect. And then you get crazy things. Yeah, I mean, it is. It's just a crazy time and everybody gets so angry about everything but you know I mean like I hate to tell you but there were times back in in the days when when we saw that there were there were spiritual temples that had trans hooker priest in there and just like what that represented and I'm not saying that's right or that's the way it should be or any of that stuff

Starting point is 00:58:27 But I'm just like there's been like this kind of like this movement to like That all of a sudden this is everywhere and I just think it's a siop to get everybody to fight with each other And it's like we need to definitely end that my dear and I think that's a job of the artists you know the way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way we we we we we we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we express the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we the way we express the way we express the way we express the way we express to get we express to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get I think that's a job of the artists, you know, the way we express what we want to do and your job, you know, I think we should all have a mission, you know, of how we educate people on what it's, you know, and this political correcting is really overdone, I believe. When I, you know, talk about the traditions that I teach the artists, you the artists, you the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, you the, you're the, you're threate, you're the way, you're the way, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're the way, you're the way, you're the way, you're the way, you're the way, you're the way, you're the way, you're the way, you're the way, you're the way, you're the the the the the the the the the the the the threate, you're threate, you know, you know, this political correcting is really overdone, I believe. When I talk about the traditions that I teach, I talk about transgenderism being sacred in the ancient times in the way it was accepted, but it was never an issue. It was not an issue, it was not a taboo.

Starting point is 00:59:19 Nobody was discriminated, you know. And the same thingthing we venerating a dark images or a black image is just the way it is and it was never questioned why why she's black or the lot of black Jesus is in Italy people just worship it and have their devotion and no one says oh but why is he black? Nobody says that, you know? And I'm not saying that Italy is perfect, by all means. But this part of it I'm very proud of, and I miss.

Starting point is 00:59:55 I really miss it here. Really is here. Here, there's some, there's a lot, I think there's a lot of chaos, a lot of chaos. So when you, and the, when you, when you work with women, what do you do with them? Well, you know, I haven't been able to do this live in a while because of COVID. The workshops that I lead are, when there is a healing focus, I use a tambourine playing the fast six-state rhythm of the Tarantella, with, and th, and thela, and the group, with, and the group, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with the group, the group, the group, the group, with the group, the group, with the group, the group, the group, the group, the group, the group the group the group, the w group, their the wo, and the we, and the we, and the we, and the we, and the we, and the we, and the we, and the we, and the we, and the w. And the w. and the w. and the w. the w. the w. a tambourine playing the fast six-state rhythm of the tarantella with a group, usually, and the women let go and dance, the specific ritual dance. When they finally go, you know, identifying with the spider, the bite of the spider, the

Starting point is 01:00:40 tarantula, and they're on the floor, and really let go it's a very erotic dance too. What I do through the drumming and dance is help them release, help them release that poison out of the body that it's caught, that's the representation of the denim of the tarantula and and I also teach them prayers and chants with drumming with thethe black Madonna and the Tarantella. So that's what I do. I kind of guide them through a trauma or through a release of a blockage or sadness. And I've actually been teaching on Zoom and it's been powerful because people are receiving certain things, even through the internet, the power of this drumming.

Starting point is 01:01:26 So, and if they have a specific issue, a problem they want to work on, that usually we do in the live workshops. Through Zoom it's been really like, every day that we do a lesson, there is a devotional rhythm or a chant, and I've seen them transformed through through the years. Now I have some students that are incredible so I think I feel that I empowered women with this ancient tool of the frame drum and the scene and the dance. And some of my students are transgender. Yeah, women especially. I think you know it's it's a very touchy subject people are very afraid of what's being pushed on their children by these teachers which I mean

Starting point is 01:02:11 my parents are teachers I didn't even know what you know it's just it and I think this is like when you see something on you know tick-toc or on you know Instagram it's all done to cause us to fight with each other. I don't even know how much of it's true. What's stopping people from just making fake videos of someone acting like a teacher and get, not that it's not happening, but it seems like it's everywhere all the time, and it just seems like it's getting us to fight with each other more and more and more and more live. Live and let live.

Starting point is 01:02:46 That's my motto. That seems to be the motto of the same people and common sense right now. And it's just like it's, and then you just look at what the Vatican gave with them. Yeah, and find some peace. Find some peace. What do you think and we'll let you go because I know you have to do a class. Yeah, and I have to prepare for this. Okay. So final thing, if you could talk to anybody, what do you think the biggest mistake young people are making today when it comes to spirituality? Like what, in the past, what was done that isn't done anymore? Well, I think the worst part of it is being attached

Starting point is 01:03:30 to the cell phones and to technology and social media. I believe that separates you completely from what we really are, and how we are connected to the universe and to the mother, to the earth, and to nature. I think when they're searching for spirituality, some young people I know are actually enlightened, so they're not only just about technology, and right now a lot of them are searching through Iwaska. I'm sure you're familiar with that. Yes, yes. And things like that, I don't you're familiar with that. Yes, yes. And things like that, I don't judge that because I don't do it, but I don't judge it.

Starting point is 01:04:10 But I don't think they realize that there is a bigger picture, a more cosmic picture, you know, if you wanna really connect to, through spirituality, first of all, I think it's important to go to really connect to through spirituality, first of all, I think it's important to go to places where things are still different, these places exist, you know, it could be, in America, it's in the Native American communities,

Starting point is 01:04:38 or you could be different countries, or Brazil, where you really see how communities live and pray and do spiritual activities, whether in a church or outside, like the Yoruba, you know, from Africa and Brazil, Cuba, Puerto Rico. And they are all together praying, drumming, dancing, and receiving, you know, the visions, the miracles. They don't use cell phones to do that. They don't use computer. I mean, this stuff is everywhere now, but I'm saying the way actually people come together, it's spiritually, in other parts of the world, it's very different.

Starting point is 01:05:21 And Iwaska has been done as part of of that but I think it's also very deceiving and it's not done for the community necessarily it's just for that person you know to find an answer something but it doesn't have a more global effect, like to help a community. Or, you know, and that's the power of prayer. You know, people go to church and pray, that's a power of prayer, right? But you can do it also in a different form.

Starting point is 01:05:58 So the rituals I've done are prayers, people come together, and they support each other, and they put it out there to the cosmos, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the community, the the the the the community, the the and they support each other and they put it out there to the cosmos to the universal mother, help us heal or stop the plague and that's how they do it. They don't do it by taking a substance. It's not the same. Does it make sense? Yes, 100% and I'm going to make sure all your links are in the description so that they can find you and learn more about you because you're also an absolutely amazing drummer. I mean so I think people need to know about you I'm so happy that you came on the show. Thank you very much and we talked again I look forward to our next conversation.

Starting point is 01:06:45 Absolutely, and hopefully in LA, I'm sorry my trip didn't happen. When do you think you're going to do it again? I don't know, I was thinking of June, but they didn't confirm, but I will let you know. All right, well, thank you so much for coming on. It was great talking to you and I look forward to doing it again again Take care. Best do, many blessings. Bye. Bye. Bye.

Starting point is 01:07:06 Bye. What a wonderful conversation that was. Big time. Alessandro Bologna. Baloney. What a fun conversation? What do you think of that conversation? Yeah. What do you think?

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Starting point is 01:08:16 like, games on us about, you know, a hidden history and stuff like that. It's like, maybe you need to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear to hear the the the their their their they're they're they need to hear about some like outside discussions on topics that you on topics you might not have all the information about. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah. That like it's like. There's no there's no injury to hear an idea. You know what I mean? You're not being hurt by listening to an idea and there's so many people now who act like they've been injured if you just want to deliver an idea to them th th th you you you you you you you you you you you, you th th th th th you, you th th th th th. I th. I th. I th th th. On th th th th you, on tho on you, on you, on tho on tho on you, on you, on you, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on tho on, on tho on, on, on, on, on thops on, on, on th th th th th th th th. on, on, on th, on th, on th, on th, on th, on th, on th, on th th th th th th. On th thi, on thi, on thi, on thi, on their their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to there's so many people now who act like they've been injured if you just want to deliver an idea to them, you know what I mean? And then in a podcast, I mean, you're choosing to listen to it. I just think it's, I'm the kind of person that just wants to hear everything.

Starting point is 01:08:54 I want to hear can't, you can't fortify your own ideas without having heard as many alternatives as possible. And if your idea is so sound, you should be able to hear anything that might not completely line up with it 100%. And that's biblical, dude, I mean that's that, you know, that's in the Bible, like test all things and try all things and hold fast to that which is good That's in the Bible and that's why I love it's placebo and even if it's placebo and even if it's placebo and even if it was not the drums It's gone. Yeah, even if it was placebo. Yeah the power of just believing if someone else she can convince. She th. th. She can th. She can th. She can th. She can th. She can th. She can th. She can th. She can th. She can th. She can th. She can th. She can th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that's that's that's the that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I the the the the the the th. I th. I th. I that's the the the the that's the that's that's the that's that's that's that's that's that it helped me and this person goes in there with a thought like it helped her it's gonna help me and it's gone I completely agree dude and you know I

Starting point is 01:09:52 just want to say something here because I've had a couple people reach out to me based on the last show and all my stuff it's like dude we're gonna have a dangerous conversations on the show and I really never want to be like, oh, I can't say that because the crowd won't like that or the listeners won't like that. I really want to be 100% as authentic as I can with you guys. And my beliefs, and my thoughts. So sometimes I'm going to say stuff that you don't necessarily agree with. But it's, I think it's okay, man. Like I think it's okay. I th I th I th th th th th you th you th you th you th you th you th you th you th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that the c the c the c the c the c the c the c the c the c the c the c tho tho tho tho tho thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thou thou thou tho thooo thoo thoooooo thooooooooo thoooooo tho that that that tho tha to say stuff that you don't necessarily agree with, but it's, I think it's okay man. Like I think it's okay. I think you should be okay with that because what I think we're seeing on a very large scale through like podcasting and YouTube and all is like people presenting one thing

Starting point is 01:10:39 and then the opposite being true and and their everything just crumbles right? Because I think they present an unauthentic view of everything, the opposite being true and their everything just crumbles right because I think they present an unauthentic view of everything right I mean that's my whole thing I'm certainty a lot of a lot of people when you come you know when you come to a conversation with certainty like this is the only possible yeah head on a solution yeah then then any any, you know, anything that's not that ends up not be improved about what you said, then that makes everybody doubt everything and that now that brings to mind a certain bishop.

Starting point is 01:11:14 Oh, that just came out right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that, you know, now and now I doubt everything he said. Go ahead and say what it was. Yeah, let them know where we found him. Well, we that. Oh. Yeah, that. Yeah, that. Yeah, that. that that that that that that that th. that th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thin anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything, you that that that that that that that just anything anything anything, you that just that just that just that just that just that just that just that just thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Anything. th. Anything. th. Anything. th. Anything. th. Anything. Anything. th. th. th. th. th. Anything. Anything. th. Anything. th. th. th. A. A. thi. thi. A. A. thi. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. what it was. Yeah, let him know where we found him. Yeah, go on. Well, we didn't found Charlie Robinson of microaggressions did some deep dives and found that he's part of the world economic forum. The young world economic forum. He was on their roster. I mean like some crazy things are going on like he's like did we find out that's real the real. He really tweeted it it it it it it. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. th. thi. th. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. to. the. to. the. to. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. out if that's real the bill he really tweeted it that he's gonna be on Bill Simmons which is one of the biggest most mainstream podcast in sports it's one of the biggest most mainstream podcast and for people who have asked I mean what happened was one day we were on the podcast and I was just I think we were at the wind down time like we are now

Starting point is 01:12:02 and I just happened to be scrolling through because somebody had mentioned gators and I realized he'd blocked this and and boy blocked you and I like oh well Johnny talked shit about yeah yeah. He probably blocked him and they went to me and I'm like damn dude he blocked me too. And then even me without a word. Without a word. Who blocked Xavier the care bearer of an explanation, not a word, what was the last communication you had with him before that? Do you remember? Did you try to book him remember? No, the last show he did was the last time we talked to us on the show

Starting point is 01:12:34 is the last time we talked? And it was a little weird that episode though. Well, because he said Trump was still the president, the the thapapap Someone from the inside had told them that Trump was gonna come back but that's another different topic for another day. And that's the whole thing about the shows we let you talk. We let you talk. That sure reads now like this. So the question is and I put this out to those who last long enough to hear this. Congrats to you. And not not that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that was that that was that was that was that was not that was not that was not that was not that was not that was not that was not that was not that was not that was that was that was that was that was that's that was that was that was that was. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the the the the the they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. the they. the the they. they. they. they. that's. th. that's. that's. they. they. that's. they. they. they. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. that's. that's. that's. that. that. that. that. to hear this. Congrats to you, mother. Congrats to you. And not that it wasn't interesting, so we just, no, no, no, just statistically people don't have the time.

Starting point is 01:13:11 So, our question is, our question is, should we keep up the Bishop Larry Gator shows? Yeah, I think we have to. I think we should. Yeah, the Kobe one was my boy. We just got got to put to put to put to put one of those disinfo tags on it like Instagram. And because he is what we believe now may be controlled opposition, and we had talked about it by the way, Jason Goldman of Crowdsourced the Truth was the first one to call this guy out. A while ago, yeah. You know he came in here and pushed, what was it, our heart really hard? That was his main thing. Well now he came the first. He the first. He the first. He the first. He the first. He th. He th. He th. He th. He th. He th. He th. He th. He th. He came th. He came th. He came came th. He came came came came came came came came came came came came came came came came came came th. He came th. He came th. He was, he came came th. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was, t. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He came came came came in. He the first flag. He came on in the in the intros and was like I got 300

Starting point is 01:13:46 million listeners. Yeah you're like dude that's bigger than Rogin. I mean come on dude but it's like super interesting because you know he went to when you look it up I think Bishop Larry Gators went to the Oscars. I'm gonna see if he's on YouTube but he went to he he went he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's on. He went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went he went to to to to to he. He's on. He's on. He's on. He's on. He's on. He's on. He's on. He's on. He's on. He's on. He's on. He's on. He's he's on. He's he's he's on. He's on. He's on. He's on. He's on. He's on. He's he's on. He's he's he's he's on. He's on. He's he's on. He's on. He's on. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th. He's th thi thi. He's th thiars and then I think he went to I think something said he's thinking about running for governor of California but I don't think he lives there I couldn't find that Larry Gators Oscars can't find that either yeah like they went to some pre-Oskar party like is isn't he the guy who's like, this is like a Den of like, and then look who he's tagging. Oh look at him. And look who he's tagging.

Starting point is 01:14:33 He's tagging TMC. He's at the Peterson Automotive Museum. But like if you think the town is, if you think the whole industry is a a fucking dude I can tell you now if he goes on Bill Simmons I guarantee you all that shit he said it was bullshit if he goes on why do you think that because there's no way he would get on Bill Simmons without an end that show is such an industry like I mean it's it's it's that show when you mean when you mean insider shit Sammy subscribers he has he's getting the no subscribers it's

Starting point is 01:15:10 really low look if you look at subscribers it's hidden right no no I just saw it right now it was under 300 300 300 oh no no no it is hidden it is hidden yeah yeah he's got it hidden yeah yeah but look at those numbers though they're not bad he says everybody on yeah on I heart radio he's got it hidden. Yeah, he's hiding his subscriber. But look at those numbers though, they're not bad. He says everybody on yeah on I Heart Radio he's got 300 million listeners dude. But then you go why is he still on YouTube? You know I just told you why? I mean four hours he's controlled opposition? Absolutely. Jason Goodman said that on crowd source of the truth he goes this guys and you remember because he came in and he was about Jews he's yelling about Jews and I go and we had to push back on it and we're like well we over and he's like I'm sorry I'm just calling like I see

Starting point is 01:15:53 it and and then you remember because he came on another time and he didn't want to talk about the thing about crowds source of truth because because crowds of truth was saying that he was sent in to get shows canceled. Yeah, they probably scared him. Like, oh shit, I'm busted. But imagine being a guy who's like, I'm slaying the dragons, and then you're like, you're tagging TMZ? They don't want to hear what Bishop Larry Gators got. And what's the chances of bishop being bishop, I to to to the bishop, I thiiii bishop, I thi bishop, I thi, I thi, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I was thi, thi, thi, I was thi, thi, thi, thi, he, he, he, he, he was he, he was he, he was he, he was he, he was he, he was he, he was he, he was he, he was he, he was he, he was he, he, he, he, he, he, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, was se that, was sea, was se thin, was se was sea, was sea, was se that, that, was see is that, the is the is thi this, you know? They're old, they don't want to hear what Bishop Larry Gator's got. And what's the chances of Bishop being a Bishop?

Starting point is 01:16:28 Oh no, I mean, come on, dude. I mean imagine four hours it's just his face? We're lucky he didn't call it up like large Bishop. What is it about guys that age they just don't know how to line up the camera? Yeah, well you know, he's no, no, no, no, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's th. th. th. thi, he's thi, he's thi, thi, thi, the the the th. thi, I, I's their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. is th. is th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th is th. th is th is just, is just, is just, thi, thi, to to to to to to to to to to to thi, to to thi. to to their see the bottom. Well, he also doesn't want you to see all of his notes because the belief is that he's riffing this stuff. Oh, no, no way. Yeah, it's not, he's reading. Yeah, I mean, it's just crazy. Yeah, I mean, it's just crazy. the to then the same jacket on like three podcasts in a row yeah because he probably just bangs them

Starting point is 01:17:08 out he just sits there with his and his disinfo chamber his disinfo chamber yeah man super interesting I hope you guys enjoyed it we got a great week for you if everything goes according to plan we got two more great shows and uh I don't know man I'm enjoying what we've been doing lately I hope you guys enjoy it too to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. the th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I'm thi. I thi. I'm thi. I thi. I'm. I the. I'm just just the. thi. I thi. I'm just th know man I'm enjoying what we've been doing lately. I hope you guys enjoy it too. And anything else guys? All right man. Some big stuff coming on to. Oh, new broken sim just drop.

Starting point is 01:17:35 We'll talk about in the intro. Okay. All right. Well, how are we going to talk about in the intro if we already did the intro. This is not the intro but this is supposed to go on at the end. Oh people know that. It's a broken simulation. You just stop behind the fuck. Because we talk, in the intro we talk about it was a good show today guys. All right guys thank you so much. We'll talk to you soon. Take care bye. We go deep home boy. Aaron, open your mind. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere.

Starting point is 01:18:10 That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. Dude, you just blew my mind. Tim foil hack.

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