Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #574: Historical Mysteries And Unexplained Ancient Engineering With Unchartedx's Ben Van Kerkwyk

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Starting point is 00:04:11 I'm very excited next guest on or this guest on. We are, he's got a great website called uncharted X. Please welcome. Ben Van Kirkwick. How are you, buddy? Good, mate. Thank you so much for the invite. It's great to be here. Honor and a privilege you have you on, thank you so much for spending a little time with us.

Starting point is 00:04:29 For those who may not be familiar with you, Ben, can tell us a little bit about yourself and where our listeners can find you. Yes, I've been, Van, Kirkwick, I run a YouTubearted X YouTube channel primarily. I make a whole bunch of mini documentaries, I guess, that get into a lot of the mysteries of our ancient history, some of the technicalities around tool marks, the things we see in Egypt, South America, all that sort of stuff.

Starting point is 00:04:54 I post it all up on my website as well. As you said, it's Uncharted X, but in general, everything's up there on the YouTube, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is, which is the channel, which is the channel, which is the the the thian, which is, which is, which is, the the the the, the, the, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, is, is, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th... the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. which is just Unsharted X on YouTube. Thank you so much, man. That's great. What got you to start going down on this journey? What was the first thing where you're like, whoa, something's not lining up? Yeah, well, I'm probably, it's a similar story to a lot of people I'd imagine, it was, to be honest, Graham Hancock.

Starting point is 00:05:20 So I had always been interested in ancient history. My mother was a history teacher, so I kind of had that in my blood from an early age. I had a long career in IT, but I started following Hancock after I read his books. I saw his first appearance way back in the day, I think his first one on Rogan show. And got the chance then to travel with him. So he threw out, hey, I'm going to do research for his book Magicians of the Gods in Peru and Bolivia in 2013. I was like, you know, shut up, take my money, went down there, spent two weeks with him touring around there, looking at all of that stuff, and then I had the chance again, I got kind of to know him a little bit and had the chance to travel with him to to to th in th him to the to the to the to the the the the to thrv with him thrv with him their their their their their their thrown, the. thrown, thr. thr. to their their thr. to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to their to their to to their to their their their their to their their their thru. thru. thru. thru. too. thea. thau. thau. tru. tru. tru. tru. thau. toea. toea. toe. toe. toe. toda. trip to Egypt and after that I was just like there's so much more here that can be explained and it was kind of at a confluence of, you know, there's a lot of information

Starting point is 00:06:10 that are in these incredible books by Hancock, by Boval, by a lot of other people, but a lot of that hadn't been pulled out yet and kind of presented in that new media method, you know, like on YouTube and at the same time you had this rise of th........ And th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thrown, thr-a, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thrown, thr-a, thi, thr-a, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. So, th. So, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. I, th. And, th. I, th. And, th. I, th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thr. thr. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the. the. the. this rise of a sort of commercial stabilized cameras and 4k like high quality video equipment. So I thought, you know, there's room here to explore some of these ideas and ta taurown the ideas and I thought there to theaugh. And really exposing these ideas to people on that on that kind of new platform with YouTube and it kind of snowed from th............ And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. th. th. the. the. the. thananed. thananed. thananed. the. thea. thia. thea. thea. the. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. And, the. So. So. So. And, th. So. So. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And I's thea. And I's tha. And I's tha. And I's tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. And I tha. And I's tha. And I's. I started doing that and traveling for years and filming and diving into these topics. Well, you know, a hidden history is probably my favorite topic of them all because if you study conspiracy, you go, what else is they lying to us about and eventually you get to, oh, our entire history has just been reru and stupid. I mean, we see it happening in real time on Netflix where they have like different people playing that don't even look

Starting point is 00:07:08 anything like the characters or the historical figures they're supposed to be playing and that's being done purposefully so I you know it's so funny I was just I just got introduced to action Bronson and I was you know so I'm watching his show about ancient aliens and they were really getting into this stuff. And I was like, man, that's kind of crazy. Like, there's things out there that just don't fit our timeline, our traditional timeline that we have been told. So where do you want to start, man?

Starting point is 00:07:40 Where would you like to go off? You know, you said some talking points, but where would you like to start? Well, we can get into a number of the main, I like to kind of approach it from the perspective that, you know, as you said, a lot of what we think we know about our history has kind of been wrong. And what I think there's been a real shift in the formal sciences in this area. So archaeology archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last the last th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, we can the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th is the, the, that, that, that, that, to that, to that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, the area. So archaeology and history, you know, Egyptology, over the last sort of 50, 60 years,

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Starting point is 00:08:34 And in those days, a lot of the discussions happened in those academic halls, you know and in letters and they're their, like, like, like, like, like, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the. thea, thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thii. thea, thi. thea, their, the. these societies and groups. And if you read their work, they were quite willing to admit when they didn't know something, when something was mysterious. And Petri in particular was famous for talking about things like tube drills and core drills and these signs of advanced machining that happened. But as it, as kind of that whole discussion moved out of the academic halls and into more of a public sphere in books, and now particularly with platforms like the know idiots like me can get a voice. It's changed the nature of the discourse particularly from the academic side. So now we see much more of a authoritarian I guess or a definitive approach to it by academics where they're really

Starting point is 00:09:21 dismissing the idea that there is any mystery here, that we know what happened. And I think that's something of a consequence of the nature of this discourse changing. They've been forced to react to some of this. But the reality is there are still tons of unknown questions, tons of contradictions, tons of mysteries that haven't been fully explored. And there's a problem with that is because you have thiiiiii, thi, thi, the thi, the thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. theei. theiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. thiiii. thii. thi. the only people that are allowed to really explore these things and to do the things that we should be doing to investigate these mysteries. I mean, that's controlled by people like,

Starting point is 00:09:51 you know, the antiquities department in Egypt and then they partner with universities. And it's that same old story. It happens in a lot of fields of that, you know, established narrative, then you don't get funding, you don't get, you just kind of get shunned from that environment. So, I mean, there's tons of things we should be doing and could be doing in non-destructive ways to try and explore a lot of these mysteries,

Starting point is 00:10:13 but it just doesn't happen because they just go, well, we know it with copper chisels, which is absolute nonsense. There are huge numbers of examples of these incredible artifacts and incredible feats of engineering that occurred in the very earliest parts of ancient history as we know it. And the whole civilization of Egypt itself is something of a contradiction. I would like to start there like kind of with the old kingdom. So there was an archaic age, this is the mainstream story. The archaic age happened, then then then th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the th th the th the the the th the th th the th the th the th the th th th of with the Old Kingdom. So there was an archaic age, this is the mainstream story. The archaic age happened, then there was a pre-domaustic age, and then it sort of kicks off in the First Dynasty, and that was called the Old Kingdom.

Starting point is 00:10:54 And the strange thing about the Egyptian civilization is it peaked, it peaked straight away. So everything, the pyramids, the pyramids, the pyramid, the pyramid, the pyramid, the pyramid, the pyramid, the pyramid, the pyramid, th, th, th, the pyramid, the pyramid, theyk, th, theyk, theyk, theyk, theyk, theyk, the, the, theyk, theyk, tha, tha, theykekeke, theyke, their, their, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, tha, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, theya, theya, theya,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a,a, great pyramid of Geza, all of the Giza Plateau, you have massive megaliths and precision engineering stuff made from Granite, the Valley Temple, like these huge feats of engineering. It all happened at the very earliest part of that civilization according to kind of mainstream, the mainstream timeline. And then it degraded. So it's like they made these pyramids early on like the first five or six pyramids were the best ones, they're the ones that are still standing. And they kept making pyramids for thousands of years after that, but they never achieve those heights. And it's just, it's a huge contradiction because it's not how civilizations work. Like our civilization, if you look at our technological growth and our path, you know, we've thir, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, their, their, their, thi, theol-a, their, their, thi, their, thi, thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their their thi, their thi, their theeea, thea, their thea. thea thea theaugh, thea, their thea, their thea thea thea, thea, th ramped up to, we've gone from the Stone Age to space shuttle and striped toothpaste. It, you know, it didn't go the other way around.

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Starting point is 00:13:10 copy my crypto.com forward slash T.F.H. That's T.F. H. Don't take this offer lightly. James is the real deal. Go visit the site now. I want to get back to something you talked about the academics and how they want control the narrative. I mean, we see that with basically the media right now, right? I mean, what you have, you have more people working on more subjects than ever before. And they're coming up with really strong conclusions based on evidence that was out there, but unfortunately unless you went and found the book, right? You wouldn't know about it.

Starting point is 00:13:51 So now you got all these people spending times going through all this information that was out there, but it was kind of kept away. And now new information is coming and new conclusions are coming, and they do not like that. They do not like that at all. They want to control the narrative. And we see that a lot with academics. And another thing you brought up where it's like, the official narrative is brought out by the powers have been, right, academic, epics, academics, or let's say, the media, or the government, whoever the power is, right? They make a statement and everyone has to work to work to work to work to work to work to work to work to work to work to work their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their their their, their, and their, and their, and their their their their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their, their, their, their, their, their, the media or the government, whoever the power is, right?

Starting point is 00:14:25 They make a statement and everyone has to work from that every time. And that is always, the official narrative is always accepted by the masses. Nobody ever questions anything. No matter what information comes out, it takes so long to get anybody to move off that position. And it usually takes a couple years, right? To get them to go, no, no, this th th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. tha, tha, too anybody to move off that position. It usually takes a couple of years, right, to get them to go, no, no, this doesn't make any sense at all. Yeah, it's one of my major pet peeves, too. I've been off mainstream media for more than a decade now, you know,

Starting point is 00:14:56 like because it's the same thing. It's a controlled narrative. It's the same establishment message that comes out. It's to some extent, like the nature of establishment is to resist change. I mean, that's its nature. And particularly in this field, in history, you end up, I kind of relate it back with the academics to like, well, in some ways, they're kind of like priests in a religion, their sense of self, their sense of identity, their sense of self, their sense of identity, their sense of personal power and authority is kind of derived from their position as these experts on this story.

Starting point is 00:15:29 And you know, this can happen in other fields too, but history itself and archaeology isn't really a hard science. You don't do like experiments like you can in chemistry or physics. It's a, it's much more closely related, like language studies and interpretation. They're looking, they're trying, mostly, mostly, mostly, mostly, mostly, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, is, their, is, is, is, their, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the interpretation. They're looking, they're trying, mostly they're looking at describing the daily life of some of these ancient civilizations to us. But ultimately it's, you're constructing a picture or a story of the past based on very scant evidence. You know, you've got thousands of years of civilization rising and falling and deconstruction

Starting point is 00:16:03 and then reconstruction of these objects and these sites. And their sense of power really derives from their interpretation on the story. And so when you start threatening that story in the same way that if you were sort of starting the holy word in a religion, a lot of these academics and people and power, like they're gonna take that fairly strongly, like it's a personal attack on their, on their, on their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, their, thi, the, the, theate, and, and, their, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, their, their, and, their, and, and, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their sea.e.e.e.e.s.c.c.s. And, their sense, their sense, their sense, their sense, and power like they're going to take that fairly strongly, like it's a personal attack on their on their identity. So that's why you get such a strong response and that's why there's there's kind of been a real lack of open-minded debate

Starting point is 00:16:32 and an investigation in a lot of these fields. But I really do think that in the, particularly the last 20 years, there's been a tremendous advance in other fields of science that I call kind of history adjacent that should be having like a massive impact on this picture of the past that we have. But it hasn't really filtered down into the academic world yet. But you've got all of this evidence, like the extension of the human timeline. Like we used to think we were 50,000 years, now we found human remains that go back that 300,000 years. We know from our genetic past that we split with the Neandothals from a common ancestor

Starting point is 00:17:11 somewhere maybe in the 800 to 900,000 year range. We have tremendous evidence for a cataclysm that happened at the end of a period called the younger Drys that was around 13,000 years ago that really shook the earth. It's associated with the megafaformal extinction, the, the, the, their, their, their, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, their, their, th, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th genetic, th genetic, th genetic, th genetic, th genetic, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, the, threate, they, threateat, they, threateat, threate, threate, the, the, the,000 years ago, that really shook the earth. It's associated with the megaformal extinction, all of the sabreto tigers and mammoths and all of those things went out. And we also have these tales of cataclysm and impact and all of this stuff, in all of this stuff, in every culture, in every ancient religion, even in our current modern, religions, all the religions of the book, took, took, tode, tode, tode, tode, tode, tode, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the, the the the the the, the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and all, and all, and all, and all, and all, and all, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the same, the same, the same, the the the the the the the the the the te, tode, today, today, togu, togu.e, togu. togui, togui, togui, togui, they, they, they, the the same, the same, t massive floods and fire. And we now know that this stuff was a reality. One of the funny things is in almost all of these examples, you also have these ancient cultures all speaking of a civilization and of a people that existed before that time that

Starting point is 00:17:56 were knocked down and they had to restart again. This even shows up in, yeah. It's super interesting. And for me, and I'd love to hear your opinion, why are they afraid of these timelines changes? Because that means that we're more special than they want us to know, that where we live is more special,

Starting point is 00:18:19 our history is more special? They just want us to believe that we're just like monkeys and sneakers hurling through space. That's what I think they want. Maybe, yeah, you know, I think there's a lot of it has to do really with that that reluctance to, you know, if you've been an expert. So it's kind of like this old guard in this academic field, particularly archaeology, that are really associated with this picture of our past, which to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be a to be a to be a to are really tightly associated with this picture of our past, which to be honest hasn't really changed in the last hundred years or so. And that's, they're just, they're mired in that world and there's a strong amount of resistance to any sort of change that comes into that.

Starting point is 00:18:56 I can give you a number of specific examples, not all that I think there certainly has been cases where things have been, that would have really, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, their, to be, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, thi, thi, to be, to be, thea, thea, thea, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thauu.a.a. And, thau. And, to me, to me, thea, thea, thau.a, thea, theathink there certainly has been cases where things have been discovered that have been that would have really shaken this story up that have been hidden and have been kind of buried up and I can give you a couple examples of that but in the other hand there's also like I said there's a political positions of power that are being defended in a lot of ways. One thing I do see as a lot of hope going forward is that I can't tell you the amount of like archaeology students and people that are in the current system that are going to be these academics and these tenured professors of the future, they seem to be a lot more open-minded. I've got some hope that's saying the next 20 years, as these current students move into the establishment, I mean, they're being forced their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the into the establishment. I mean, they're being forced to reckon with the questions that are raised by people like Graham Hancock,

Starting point is 00:19:47 and they have to deal with some of the new evidence that's come up. So I do hope that that picture is gonna change, but it feels like, you know, what is it, Planks, constant, it's like, you know, science advances one funeral at a time. When was the last time, that that that that that that that that thin, thin, thin, the last the last thin, the last the last thin, thin, thin, the last time, thin, the last time, the last time, thin, thin, thin, their, the, thin, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, they. they. they. to. too. too, too. too. too. too. too. they. they. they. their, they. their, their, is, the the last time that they actually changed something in a history book that you were like, okay, this might get the ball rolling? Was there a time when you're like, okay? So there's been one major, huge discovery that happened in, particularly in the last decade.

Starting point is 00:20:17 It's a site of Turkey called Gobeckley Tepe, you guys may have heard of it. So there was, you know, our picture of when history and when civilization started has always been associated with like, well around, you know, 6,000 years ago. So 4,000-ish BC, you've got the Samarians and, you know, the rise of Egypt and away we go. But in Turkey, they discovered a series of sites, there's a whole bunch of them. And they're some of the largest megalitholithic me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me the largest me the largest me the largest me the largest me the largest me the largest me the largest me the largest me the largest me the largest me the largest mea. their their their their their their. their. their. their their their their their the largest the largest the largest the largest the largest the largest the largest the largest the largest m m. the largest m. the largest m. the largest m. the largest me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me the largest me the largest megalith. the largest megalith. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thea. thea. th. thea. the. th. th's some of the largest megalithic sites on the planet. One in particular that's that's well known is called Goeckley Tepey. It means pot-bellied hill, but there was the German Archaeological Institute that started to uncover this and they started to excavate and they discovered a whole series of these megaliths like it's 20 tons, clearly the product of civilization. You can't create sites of that magnitude,

Starting point is 00:21:08 essentially what would be a small city without civilization itself. And what's interesting about that site is it was deliberately buried. And they've, so it was it, they know from the chips and how they've uncovered it, deliberately buried, which allowed them to sort of date it using carbon dating fairly accurately and it dates back to 10 to 12,000 years old as the like kind of the earliest, the youngest

Starting point is 00:21:30 date so it may well have stretched for thousands of years before that. So that was that was a huge a huge discovery. It's a huge, it sets back the time of civilization it doubles at at least that length. There's a whole number of other sites that have got similar results as a place in Gunn Padding which is, which funny enough was shut down by the government there because a geologist who is exploring it, brought up remains from a cavern inside this chamber that dated back more than 25,000 years ago. But what was interesting about Gobeckli Tepe in Turkey is that instead of acknowledging that this was evidence of civilization that really set that date back, they literally just, and you can see this on Wikipedia

Starting point is 00:22:11 which is a really sort of mainstream establishment source that can't really be trusted on topics like this, but they literally just changed the definition of what it meant to be hunter-gatherers. So instead of saying, well, civilization started earlier, they just said, no, no, hunter-gatherers were actually pretty bored on the weekends. They wanted to get away from the women. So they went and just took up like creating megalis and creating massive stone circles as a hobby. So it's quite silly.

Starting point is 00:22:37 You can't do that sort of stuff without a huge population size that allows people to specialize in things like stonework, so you have to have organized agriculture, you've got to have all those other facets of what enables a civilization. And so Goebecley Tepe was a big one. Oh, wow. And that's one shift. But the mainstream is yet to fully kind of acknowledge it. You know, the other big example that I talked to that still, it shouldn't be, but it is something still of a controversial topic.

Starting point is 00:23:08 Is this cataclysm that happened because of a series of cosmic impacts around the younger driest period? So the end of the Pleistocene age going into the Holocene 13,000 years ago. This is a tremendous amount of science has gone into this now. There's something like 150 peer-reviewed papers behind it now. It is a lot of mainstream science that they're looking at. There's all these, what they call, impact proxies that they've dug up from archaeological sites that date these layers. So you have like shock synthesized nano diamonds,

Starting point is 00:23:37 carbons, carbon furules, black mattler. So we know that there was there there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was impacts and it contributed to the megafornal extinction that we had around that time and it correlates with all of these historical records and accounts including in things like the Book of Revelations and in the Bible, things like that. And it correlates with the genetic record of humanity but it's still disputed, people don't want to admit that it happened and to this day the mainstream explanation for how you know 250 plus species of of megafaun are all when extinct is is overhunting by by you know paleo Indian hunters at the time which is utterly ridiculous it is to give you an oh yeah I mean

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Starting point is 00:25:01 It's, there's definitely a lot of resistance. And it's very frustrating because, you know, for example, is this one place that I'm fascinated by, it's called the Serapium of Sakara. It's a site that's part of this big site called Sakara in Egypt. It's near the Giza pyramids. And it's this underground cavern. Like it's a series of caverns that you could, these massively straight cabins and tunnels that you could drive a Volsese the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, for th, for th, for th, for th, for th, for th, for th, for thi, for thi, for, for example, for, for thi, for thi, for thi, for th, for th, for, for, for, for, for, for example, for thi, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for th, for th, for th, for th, for th, for th, for thiiiiia, for example, for example, for example, for example, for example, for example, for example, for example, for example, for example, for example, thea, for example, for example, for example, for example, thea, for example, thea, thea, thi's thiiiii, thi, And it's this underground cavern. Like it's a series of caverns that you could, these massively straight cabins and tunnels that you could drive a Volkswagen down. They're huge. And inside this big series of alcoves and cabins, there's 25 of these incredible granite boxes. They're made from a single piece of stone. They weigh up to a hundred tons. So that they're not like built together toe their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the. Te. Te. Te. Tease thease thease thease thease thease thease. T. T. Theaugease. theyse. the. the. the. the. the. thease. thease. thease. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. They've the. They've the. They're the. They're thea. thea.a.auuuuuuuuuu. theauuuuuuu theauu tunnuseauuauauauauauauauauauauleseato 100 tons so that they're not like built together from multiple pieces. They weigh around 100 tons. They're precision made.

Starting point is 00:25:49 They've been measured by a number of people to show that they're absolutely beyond the capabilities of anything you can do with hand tools. And it's not that many people visit it because there's not many horror glyphs and things that are written down there. They date the whole site based on these really badly scratched glyphs, it's basically graffiti that have been put on to one of these boxes. But one of the things that we should and could be doing is we should be going down there with like light-ar scanners and some of that, you know, $70,000 dollar scanner, which is easy for a university department to do, w wouldn wouldn wouldn wouldn wouldn wouldn wouldn wouldn wouldn wouldn wouldn wouldn wouldn wouldn't wouldn't, would wouldn't, would wouldn't, would wouldn't, to to to to th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho, thee, thee, thee, thee, thee, thee, thee, thee, thee, thee, thee, thee, th.. And, th.. And, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th-ar scanner, which is easy for a university department to do, wouldn't hurt it at all, to go down and say they should be scanning these boxes. And if we scanned them, we could really start to define like how precise are they, how hard

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Starting point is 00:27:11 there's some reluctance to do that based on what it would mean. I think it would mean basically over to, throwing the people that we say did this with basically primitive hand tools like pounding stones, copper chisels, that type of stuff, either they had far, far more capability and technology than we give them credit for, or they didn't do it and they inherited it, which funny enough is a story that sort of repeats itself throughout Egyptian history. There's a strong threat of inheritance that comes through this. So what I think is going on in a lot of these places is that much of what we see, in particular the megalithic work, the massive work, the precise work, was most likely inherited by the dynastic Egyptians. And then

Starting point is 00:28:03 they built thousands of years of civilization on top of that. And we know that they did a lot of work with primitive tools. There's lots and lots of examples of these primitive, there's lots of examples of these primitive, thear, thear, the the the the the, it's almost like there's two industries. You and then you have this other stuff, this other category of evidence that's often the oldest that's precisely cut. You can't fit a razor blade between these stones that don't use any mortar. They're flat to within one one thousand of an inch, you know, they're perfectly dimensioned. Even Petri, there's a boxed, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the th, th, the th, th, th, the th, the the the th, the th, the their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the other, the other, the other, the other, the the the the the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, tha, tha, thoomoomoomoomoomorrow, thoomoomorrow, thoomoanananananananananan, thoanananan, thoananan, thauoan, their, their, their, there's a box at LaHoon that's perfect to within one one thousandth of an inch, which is like I think tenth the width of a human hair. It's it's unbelievable. Yeah, it is crazy. Not possible to do with hand to. Let me

Starting point is 00:28:52 ask you something. If we're gonna assume, let's just say, because I think there is something to this that by the way I couldn't find the word archaeology. Ar archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae archae the way, I couldn't find the word archaeology before. So my apologies to everybody. I'm my fastball's a little off today, so I owe everybody an apology on that. But what I want to say is that, aren't there like biblical ramifications of, if we go, maybe the Egyptians didn't build these pyramids? Does that throw off a lot of what we know through religion off a little bit? Who built a, who is forced to build the pyramids and all that stuff? Does that change that story at all? Potentially. I'm not a hundred percent familiar with kind of the biblical

Starting point is 00:29:41 connotations on this story. I do know that that in one thing that has changed in recent times was that there was some, there's a conception the biblical connotations on this story. I do know that one thing that has changed in recent times was that there was some, there's a conception that slaves built the pyramids. That's, that's these days is more or less widely disavowed, I guess. It's sort of changed. People have realized that this is not an endeavor that could have been completed by slaves. Like this is, this is, you is, you is, you is, you is, you is, you is, you is, you is, you is, you is, you is, you is, you is, you is, you is thiiii. thi. thi. their thi. their, you their, you thi. their, you thiolioli. thioli. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I've, thi. I've, thi. I've, thi. I've, thi. I is, th. I is th. I is a th. I is a th. I is a th. I is a th. I is a th. I is a their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, theeeeeeeeeeeean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. this is, this is, you know, skilled craftsmen that have probably spent lifetimes accumulating their capability and techniques to do it.

Starting point is 00:30:12 So they have kind of moved a little bit away from the slaves concept. But what I actually think it would validate a lot of what's written in a lot of ancient religions and text and in particular what the Egyptians themselves said, which is interesting, that there was a previous like high technology, high capability civilization that was likely global. So for example, the ancient Egyptians themselves, they called themselves a legacy civilization. So they, there's a number of sources where they say that their ancestors stretched back more than 35,000 years in the past.

Starting point is 00:30:51 There's a, in particular the Turin papyrus, they talk about two periods of time that existed long before the dynasties as we know them ever emerged. One is called Zepptepe, which translates to the time of the gods. When the gods themselves walked the earth and they had all of this capability, and then after that's the Shemsu Hall, which are the followers of Horus, which were these semi-divine sort of mystical beings with magical powers that are, kind of, some of the powers they're described, you can equate to like modern technology or some form of their.. And then only after that and after it had been struck down and sank, then there was a sort of period of darkness and then the Egyptian civilization as we know it emerged. I mean even the story of Atlantis itself comes from Egyptian priests. Like we know that when Plato talks about Atlantis, and funny enough, the dating for that when you go, Plato's ancestor Solon, talked to an Egyptian priest who told him the story of Atlantis. And the dating of it, if you go by Plato's dating,

Starting point is 00:31:52 actually bang on, directly correlates with the period known as the younger Dries. Like bang on this massive shift in global climate, sea levels rising 400 feet, which is exactly in line with the story of Atlantis about the whole thing being sunk. It actually lines dead on and we didn't know about this until I think 2007 or so we started to discover the evidence for the cataclysm that happened there. So it's an interesting story, but it you know it all comes to us from this Egyptian civilization and even then when when that priest was talking to Solon he, the th, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the th, the tho, the the the whole, tho, tho, tho, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole, the w w w wa, the wa, the wa, the wa, the wa, the wa, the wa, thiiiiiqi, thiqqqqqqqa, thrc-c-s wo, tholk wo, tholk, tholk, tho, thoes, tho, tho, tholi, tho, to us from this Egyptian civilization. And even then when that priest was talking to Solon, he said, you know, you Greeks have witnessed one cataclysm, we've witnessed five or six. Like, that's the length of that civilization that goes back.

Starting point is 00:32:33 So there's lots of old stories and legends and myths that sort of correlate this around the world. Specifically what it would mean for the Bible, I'm not's sure. I think it's super interesting, but you got it. Hey guys, I want to tell you about our friends at Fume, okay? That's right, you got to check out Fume. Fume is a natural inhaler designed for better, safer, natural way to quit cigarettes. It's a no smoke, no vape, no nicotine replacement for the hand to mouth habit of smoking. Fume is made of 100% Canadian maple and uses cores infused with plant oils studied to curb cravings.

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Starting point is 00:34:34 is my spiritual show, but you know, the, the ramifications of who are these, these beings that used to live here. Do you have any thoughts on that? because, you know, we get into Ananananananan, I I I I I I I I I. I. I that stuff. I that stuff. I that stuff. I that stuff. I that stuff. I that stuff. I that stuff. I that stuff. beings that used to live here. Do you have any thoughts on that? Because you know we get into Ananaki and all that stuff. I love that. I mean do do you have any thoughts on that or are you just strictly into the architecture? No, I do. I mean to my first inclination would be to say it was it was us or it was a form of us. What's what's interesting though, you know, so ancient aliens is a great show. I like it.

Starting point is 00:35:09 I kind of treat it like a sword that cuts both ways. In one way it introduces people to the some of these incredible mysteries, you know, Tijuanaku, Puma Puncu, all these mysteries, but then it's always cast in this light of aliens and ancient aliens and astronauts and stuff. What's, I think you can explain a lot of what we see by technology. And maybe it's a different form of technology. So if you look at our civilization, we've progressed down what I would call like an electro-mechanical approach to problem solving. We have, we solve problems in a very specific direction of technology and we've evolved down that route. But there's we all know that there's all these other

Starting point is 00:35:48 realms of science like in a hundred years and a thousand years we're going to know so much more and and we're only babies in some of these fields that deal with sonics and resonance and and vibrational frequencies and one of the things that's an interesting possibility about those previous times is that the technology that was used to create some of this stuff may well have been in a field that we know nothing about today. It may be just outside of our perspective of our lens that we look at through through history. It might be in fields entirely different. And one of those could be other capabilities of the mind, for example, it is something that Graham Hancock talks a bit about. Like it may be some other faculties that that our

Starting point is 00:36:28 ancestors had that enabled them to do some of this stuff and there are legends and stories that that go in those directions. But in terms of say Anonarchy and what I would call an intervention theory, a really interesting research, I don't know if you've read his book, Lloyd Pye. Unfortunately, he died a few years ago, but he has a book called, Everything You Think You Know is Wrong. And one of those things,

Starting point is 00:36:51 yeah, it's a great book, and he has a bunch of really good lectures on YouTube that you can still see. But he talks about that he gets into that this may actually be the case with humans ourselves. We may be the result of some form of genetic breeding program. We were put together as a species. There's all sorts of anomalies like we have an extra chromosomeal pair to all of the other great apes and our closest relatives.

Starting point is 00:37:23 It almost looks like we've had some of the genetic material kind of bonded together as if we've been created. There's huge gaps in our species timelines with the, you know, people call it the missing link, but there would have to be 10 or 12 of these missing links to really understand and explain our evolution as a species. So, yeah, I don't rule it out. I think it's entirely possible in the whole, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, the the the the th, th, th, th, th, the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. the, the, the, and, and, and that, that, and, and, that, and, and, and, and that, and, and, and, that, the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. So yeah, I don't rule it out. I think it's entirely possible in the whole, you know, the breadth of space and the length of time that that an intervention

Starting point is 00:37:51 may have happened. It might have even been the nature of life itself might have been come from somewhere else to start on this planet, or we may well have been seated and created as a species. It's, it's an interesting direction and there's certainly some evidence to support it. When you look into the technologies that these advanced civilizations have, do you have any theories on things they could or could not do and things that they could do that we can't do now, do you have any thoughts on that? Yes, I would say that it seems to have been an ability for them to work in stone like we just don't, we can't do today. It feels like the megalithic builders, whatever they wanted to achieve in stone, they could do. Like they had, you know, it's, you have a couple of different avenues that, that of evidence here. One is that you have the precise work, the precise work, the precise, the precise, the precise, the precise, the precise, the precise work, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the ability, the ability, the ability, the ability, the ability, the ability, the ability, the ability, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, thea, thea, thea, thea, the, the, thi, their, their, their Like they had, you know, it's, you have a couple of different avenues that, that of evidence here.

Starting point is 00:38:47 One is that you have the precise work, the absolute precision of the fitting, and this is stuff you see in Egypt, you see it in Peru, Kusko, Saxe, Huan, you know, not just straight lines, but curved surfaces that are perfectly matched made out of very difficult types of stones. You have very small vases, more than 40,000 of these have been found from the earliest part of Egyptian history that show clear machining and precision manufacture that would be very challenging for us to make today. And then you have stuff that scales right up to like over 1,000 tons, up to 2,000 tons,

Starting point is 00:39:21 single blocks and single pieces that have been manufactured and carved that are incredibly perfectly symmetrical.. thiiiiiii.. th of of of th. thi th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thousand tons single blocks and single pieces that have been manufactured and carved that are incredibly symmetrical and just there was they had an ability to work with stone such that it seems like they didn't need to create you know composite materials the way the way the way I like to talk about this is like if you look at how we would solve problems today like we make skyscrapers and vehicles and spaceships out of like light composite materials because we have to save on weight and we want something to be strong in order to use it.

Starting point is 00:39:52 But if you had control over kind of fundamental forces of nature, things like gravity, if you could alter the mass of stuff, then you wouldn't have a need to create steel and these composite materials. Because if you want something to last, you make out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out, if you, if you, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, like, like, like, thi, tho, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, thi, the, thi, thi, tho, tho, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thoooooooo, tho, tho, tho, then you wouldn't have a need to create steel and these composite materials because if you want something to last, you make it out of granite and you make it out of stone. Like nothing's going to last as long as that. Our civilization will be gone within five, 10,000 years of it ending. No traces of it, but the pyramids will still be standing there. And you scale this up into things like space travel, like our initial attempts at creating spacecraft is like again it's lightweight it's smaller we have to get it up into orbit but again if you could control things like gravity and those fundamental forces of nature

Starting point is 00:40:32 spacecraft start to look like things like small planets you know you might have the moon itself could be something that was manufactured that's a that's a whole other rabbit hole because there's all sorts of good what do you got, bro? What do you got? Well, there's a fantastic book that I can recommend anyone pick up if they're interested in the moon. It's called Who Built the Moon? Because there's a tremendous number of anomalies when it comes to the Moon.

Starting point is 00:41:01 The Moon is, it's something like one quarter the size of the earth but it's it's only like one twentieth the mass like it's it's it should have and it should have a much greater effect on our tides and on our system than than what it does. Life itself would never have evolved on this planet without having the moon without the moon sort of creating in tidal zones so where it's wet and it's wet and it's dry. That's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th th th th th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th and th is th is th and th and th is thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. the is the is the is ti. ti. ti. tiooooooooooooooooo-s. tha-s. thea. their their the the their their without the moon sort of creating into tidal zones so where it's wet and it's dry and it's wet and it's dry. That's what's really the life itself kind of emerged from. The specific density of the moon is really interesting. It's it's it appears to have a very hard surface, but it's much it's got all these gravitational anomalies all over it as well, like gravity itself changes in different

Starting point is 00:41:41 parts of the moon. One thing that people don't realize is that across the surface of the moon, it's dotted with craters and we kind of know the dynamics of how craters form. So we can apply a mass and say, okay, so if a crater, like say it's 400 kilometers across, it should be this deep or it should be in this range of depth. And you've got some massive examples all over the moon because you know, no atmosphere so the craters stay there. No, there's no craters on the moon that are deeper than I think it's like a one or two kilometers. So whether it's small or large, it's like they hit the surface of the moon and it just doesn't go in any further.

Starting point is 00:42:19 This would not happen on any other planet planetary planetary planetary planetary planetary planetary. And we have examples on Earth to show this too. So it's like there's a hard shell on this moon. Yeah. And and you know, and it may well be have cavities on the inside of it. It's, you know, you may have heard the story about NASA firing one of their, um, after they finished a moon misd they fired one of their probes into the moon and it basically vibrated and rang like a bell for 24 hours. Yeah, it's, there's, there are so many anomalies with the moon we don't have any, we've never seen anywhere any other example of a system like ours, like where we have a planet like this and a moon that's the same relative size of the earth, it's unique and it seems to be a perfect, perfect set up th th for th for to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the the th. th. the th. the earth, it's unique. And it seems to be a perfect set up for life.

Starting point is 00:43:08 Like it just wouldn't have happened without the moon. You have, you know, there's all the other statistical anomalies, like it's when we get like those lunar or solar eclipses, like in particular like a solar eclipse, the moon appears exactly the same size as the sun, because it's one 400 the size of the sun, but it's 400 times times closer so it's it's relatively it looks exactly the same size from from our position here on earth there's some weird shit man. There is and we don't have any good explanation for the moon like how it formed like there

Starting point is 00:43:38 is really if you go and dig into like what are the the theories on how the moon formed like none of them make any sense and they the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the is is the is the is theean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. the is the same. the the are the theories on how the moon formed like none of them make any sense and they're all hotly hotly debated still like we just don't know how the moon got there these these ideas of like impacts into the earth that the current theory is like well there must have been a tremendous impact into the earth that spun off all this material and only surface material only like the lightweight stuff, but that would have left the earth spinning too fast. And then there must have been another impact to the earth from exactly the right angle to slow it down to kind of the current speed. It's just this improbable series of the theories. And it's, and there's, you dig into the scientific community that kind of debate this, and they don't know, the the the the sin't their their their their the biggest mystery, one of the biggest mysteries in the solar system is we don't know how the moon formed

Starting point is 00:44:26 or how it got there. And there seems to be some other indications that if you were to design a system for life, this would be perfect. Like having the moon is an absolutely necessary element of that system. So it's like, was there some unknown creative agency that created the system back in the day? I can't rule it out out out out out out out out out out out the the the the the the th, th, the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the th, th, th, th, the the th, the th, th, the the the tho, and the the, and the the, and the the the the tho, and the tho, and the the tho, and the tho, and the the the tho, and the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, and the the th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the an thean, thean, thean, thean, the an the an the the the the, and it's like, was there some unknown creative agency that created the system back in the day? I can't rule it out. I mean, we, again, the universe is at least, what do we say, 11, 12 billion years old? It's crazy, bro. There's so much with the moon. You can just do a whole series on just a moon. Like the reflection theory, that's an interesting one where it's just a reflection of Earth. Like, th, I I I, like, that's, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's such that's such that's such that's such the reflection theory, that's an interesting one where it's just a reflection of Earth.

Starting point is 00:45:06 Like that's such an interesting theory right there. It's an energy collector, you know, it's of my theory that like the video came Pac-Man is about the moon and he like it chases spirits, he eats the ghosts, ghosts of spirits, and then they get reborn. I mean, it's super interesting, man. It's super, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, and th. And that's, and that's, and th. that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, th. th. thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. th. th. th. th. th. that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, th., I mean it's super interesting man. It's super and that's what we get into. It's like science, my biggest problem with science is that science never wants to get into the woo woo.

Starting point is 00:45:34 Like never wants to be like, maybe there's some stuff that like the laws of physics won't allow us to think about. And how super interesting all that is. When we talk about all these ancient sites, how they, how they, how they, how they, how they, how they, how they, how they, how they, how they, how they, how they, how they, how they, how they, how they, how they, how they, how they, how they, how they, how they are they are they are they all, they are all, they all, like, like, like, like, like, like, they, they, they are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are all, like, like, like, like, like, like, they are all, they are all, they are all, they are all, they are all, they are all, they are all, they, they, they, how, they, they, they, they, how, like, how, how, how they, like, like, how they are all, how they all, like, like, like, they all, all, all, all, all, all, like, all, like, like, like, like, they all, like, they all, like, like, they all, like, they all, they all, they all, they all, And how super interesting all that is. When we talk about all these ancient sites, how they all, all these pyramids line up on lay lines that perfectly, I'd be like, the odds on that happening randomly is just ridiculous. And Latin American and Egyptian pyramids, all have the same kind of, um, you know, symbolism and all that stuff. It's just, it blows my mind. Is there, since you brought up Blaylines, is there any way that they can be an energy source

Starting point is 00:46:14 or huge batteries? Yeah, I mean, you know, there's a, there's a, there's a whole form of energy, we don't know too much about it, but there's something called the toleric energy, it's toleric currents, and this is like earth currents. We know that there's these tremendous flows of energy that happen in the earth itself. And I think there's certainly a possibility that type of that type of thing might be involved. One of th type th type thy thy thy thy thy thy thy thy thy thy thy thy thy thy thy thy thy thi thy thy thy. thy thi thi thi, thy thy thy thy. thi thi, thi. thy. thy. thy. thy. thy. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thaeeooooooooooooooooooooooooeaaaa. thaea. thae kind of one of the best theories on what that what the pyramids may have been for is that they may have been some form of generator.

Starting point is 00:46:49 Chris Dunn, a guy greatly admired that's published a bunch of books on these topics, has something called the Giza Power Plant. And he's pretty much the only person in our era that has adequately explained every aspect of the great pyramid and pieces it into this theory about it being basically an energy generator. And one of the things that you notice when you look at places like the, like the pyramids and geese are in particular is that those things are incredibly tightly coupled to the earth. Like they're not, it means just to be earthquake proof. You have, you have, people walk across these all the time

Starting point is 00:47:26 when they look up at the pyramids, but you have these found, what's most impressive I think about there is the bedrock work, the foundational work that they laid down before, they actually started building up in these pyramids. You have these huge tiles, some of them weighing than 150, 200 tons that are like these interlocking jigsaw puzzles

Starting point is 00:47:46 that lock it into the earth, that you even in some places have bedrock itself where they haven't cut it off, they've shaped it, and it's sort of like this, it seemed really important to be able to couple these very tightly with the earth itself. And the other aspect that you get at a lot of tho tho tho tho tho tho the other other other other other other other other other other other other other other other other other other other other other other other other other aspect that you get at a lot of these sort of the most megalithic and mysterious sites, and this is true in South America as well, is that seems to be some form of underwater,

Starting point is 00:48:11 underwater, like water involved, like underwater rivers or currents or groundwater, or something happening under the ground that also involves water. So for example, at Giza, there are passages and tunnels that run all the way under that plateau. When we go there, I have been down there quite a bit. You can go down like 150 feet below the causeway. There's a series of chambers you get right down and the bottom chambers like filled with water. Like, it's six feet deep in water.

Starting point is 00:48:39 And so there's, then there are passages leading off towards the great pyramid, finally enough, it's in this area, it's called the Osiris shaft. And we've never explored these times. We've never actually cleared them of debris and go on and figure out where they went. But because it's controlled by the Egyptian authorities. Like they don't see it as being particularly important because they just classify that as a symbolic tomb. They say, well, this is, that's, that's, that's, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they. thi, their, their, thi, they. thi, thi, thi, their, thi, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, why, why, the, why, why, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. We. We. Why, th. We's, th. Why, th. We's, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. We're, thooo. We're, thooo. We're, the. the. thean, thea. the. Why, the.this is that's a thing everything in Egypt and all of these ancient civilization everything's symbolic or it's ceremonial. There's there's nothing that could possibly be functional or have an actual purpose. I mean it's nuts. There's a bunch of sites at Geyser at Abuseer at

Starting point is 00:49:20 Abagra where you have like these courtyards where there's massive stones and basalt pavements, you know, they're like three feet thick, and underneath those is a series of these channel blocks and all of this infrastructure that was used to pipe some form of liquid around underneath these sites themselves. And it's just like, the way they explained this is, well, that was a sewer, it was a toilet and and some of this and it's made from like rare and expensive forms of stone so it's but it's completely hidden from view but because they've all been destroyed these sites you can see them in some of these places so to me there's

Starting point is 00:49:55 some real clear indications that these sites had a functional purpose you you know there's a few other crazy aspects to some of these sites where you have melted stone. Like as if there's basalt on this site at Abusea. The basalt was cased in limestone. So it was like this inner core of this massive blocks of basalt which is a really hard platonic stone and it was cased in limestone so you couldn't see it. And they worked blocks, they're shaped. And on the inside, that interface between the limestone and the basalt, the basalt has basically melted.

Starting point is 00:50:28 It's had its molecular structure change. It's flaking off in little pieces. And this is not something. This is something. It can happen naturally only if, like, say, a piece of blocks like somebody worked on them they were perfect and they put them in there and you know something happened to them that that caused them to start flaking and melting as if as if they had been heated up and cooled a whole bunch of times you know it's stuff like that it's there's all these indications that something else was probably going on on these sites and then the dynastic Egyptians came along along their their their their their.. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. th. the. the. the. they they's the. they they's they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they's th. they's they's they's they's they're th. they're the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. te. theeean. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're thee. they're the. they're the dynastic Egyptians came along and probably like a big cargo cult found

Starting point is 00:51:07 it they were trying to capture some of the significance and they maybe turned them into ceremonial sites eventually because they didn't have the capability of their ancestors but they were trying to emulate it like a cargo cult would. And I think that explains a lot of what we see on these sites. And it's a fascinating avenue to explore and investigate. It's just justtoo bad that you know our authorities that have the ability to do this stuff don't actually want to do it. Can you can you talk about in the time of the Egyptians how how they would have appeared? I remember reading that they were they kind of shimmered in the light in the daylight? They were called the lights I I think. Yeah, it must have been crakey. Imagine that particularly the Persians when they, the Persian civilization. So right, so when the, before the casing stones fell off,

Starting point is 00:51:50 like these, you have a couple of blocks left and the middle pyramid that they called the pyramid associated with Khafra, still has some of these casing stones on the top of it. It's like it looks smooth, th smooth, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the case, the case, the casing stones, the casing stones, the casing stones, the casing stones, the casing stones, the casing stones, the casing stones, the casing stones, the casing stones, the casing stones, before the casing stones, before the casing stones, the casing stones, like, like, like, like, the casing stones, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the case, like, like, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their casing stones, their their their their casing stones, their casing stones, their casing stones, the day, particularly those two big pyramids at Giza were covered in these basically tour limestone, this white limestone, very high quality limestone casing stones that were highly prized and they were quarried and reused and half the mosques in Cairo built with parts of them. But that would have described as being so light they would have reflected sunlight. So you got this, you know, this Egyptian civilization's long dead and you've got these, the Persian Empire starts rolling in there and you just would have seen these incredible massive triangles out in the desert reflecting light.

Starting point is 00:52:37 And if you've not been to Egypt, like it's hard to sort of state how big those pyramids are. Like they're Like they're massive. It's like 14 acres. Like the base of the great pyramids, 14 acres. It's an incredible site. And you can see it when you're driving halfway across Cairo towards Geese and this thing just appears on the horizon, like, holy shit. And then to imagine them shimmering like that, that would be, it's sounds like they from what I read it sounds like they look like you know that I guess it's like a solar collector as you're going in

Starting point is 00:53:07 and out of Vegas it sounds like that's how they appeared at a distance this just shimmering disappeared like no no the the the pyramids the pyramids because the surface really yeah is night wild yeah I thought you're talking about the people I'm like down we're getting interested but man that's the the the the that's th that's th that's that's th that's th that's th th that's th th th that's th that's th th that's th th th that's th th's the th's the the the the th's th is th is thi the. the. the. that's that's the. that's that's th. that's th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that's is is is th. th. that's is that's is th. that's is that's is that's is th. that's that's that's that's th. that's th. that's that's the. that's the. that's the. that's the. that's the. the. that's. that's like. thi. Yeah, I thought you were talking about the people. I'm like, down we're getting interested. But man, that's crazy, dude. Yeah, I mean, so I wonder if the Egyptian government is kind of like the NBA Hall of Fame, where they want to stick to a certain narrative because of tourism, that if their narrative changes, tourism might not be the same as it was before. Which to me I'll be like people want to come see the pyramids.

Starting point is 00:53:49 They're not like stuck to a timeline. Yeah, you know, I actually think that if they embraced the mystery, it might actually even help. Because people are fundamentally curious. And I mean, if you just, well, you know, know okay here's come and see this ancient Egyptian ancient civilization we know how it was all done is a less enticing that come and check out some of the mystery of this place and try and figure out like how some of this might have been done it I think I think actually embracing that mystery might might actually help them with tourism. Not that I have a big problem with tourism, but there's people just fascinated by the pyramids and once you go there once

Starting point is 00:54:28 you kind of, I go there every year and go on a couple times this year. Have you gone, I mean I understand it's quite challenging to crouch down and get deep into the pyramids. Have you your ticket to go into the Great Pyramid, they only open up like the Grand Gallery and the, what's the so-called King's Chamber. You can't get into like the subterranean chamber, which is this 300 foot long little shaft you have to go down. When we go there, we do like special, we rent, basically rent it out for two hours as a private visit and they open up all the chambers for us. Oh wow. Yeah, you can, you gotta kind of like do it like the pyramid crouch. You sort of have to, it's because it's like three and a half, four feet square.

Starting point is 00:55:13 So it's like no fatties. It's really clustrophobic, right? It's yeah, it's real tight to bent pyramid out at Dasuwe. That's even tighter. Now, I understand that the entrance that you use on one of the pyramids too is an entrance that was created much later, right? Yeah, so it's the great pyramid. So the way you get into that, it's called Mamun's hole. So there's a caliph al-Mamun, I think around 1100 AD, I might have that wrong, it might have been earlier than that, but yeah, so he apparently, it's actually there's controversy around this too. He, you walk up and he's like this hole that's been hammered into the pyramid and it's actually remarkable because he managed

Starting point is 00:55:55 to somehow find the intersection between what's called the descending passageway that leads down to the subterranean chamber and the ascending passageway that leads up to the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, theya, theya, theya, theya, thea, tha, the, tha, tha, tha, to the subterranean chamber and the ascending passageway that leads up to the Grand Gallery. Like a lucky shot is what that is the equivalent of, right? An incredibly lucky shot. Very suspicious. I think I personally think that there's a much greater chance that that was somebody tunneling out. I think that was somebody that was somebody that was other entrances into this structure. And they had something that they couldn't get out those entrances, so they had to make a bigger exit. So it's a much bigger passage than the other entrance.

Starting point is 00:56:33 Because there is a main entrance, but it's blocked by these big granite plug blocks. And then there's also rumors in antiquity of an entrance that comes in right down the bottom. Like in the bottom, the subterranean chamber. So you go down, it's 300 feet, this passage. And about a third of the way down, it transitions into bedrock. So it's just perfect like laser straight passage that's cut into the thrown, and then the next, the two-thirds of it actually cuts into the bedrock, the rock of the limestone itself, and opens up into this big chamber.

Starting point is 00:57:06 And then there's a passage that goes off into nowhere in the end, and then there's a huge shaft, like this is massive big well that goes down another like 30-40 feet. And there's granite blocks down in there. And we don't know where that goes. Nobody's ever excavated it. And there are rumors in from antiquityity, thiiii, the, the, the, th, the, th, th, the, th, th, th, the, th, th, th, th, the, th, thui, thu, thu, thu, thu, tho, tho, tho, thus, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th. And, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. And, th. And, tho, tho, tho, the, the, the, the, the, they, they, they, they, theea, thea, thea, thus, thea, thus, thus, thus, thus, th are rumors in from antiquity that that may have connected to one of the shafts that connects up outside and there's again there's tunnels all over the place underneath the plateau that we haven't explored so I think it's more likely that that they were trying someone was someone had been in there and they were probably taken

Starting point is 00:57:38 some out and they couldn't get it out those those those passages those passages those passages those passages passages passages passages passages passages those passages those passages those passages those passages so they hammered their way out because it's like a really, really strange coincidence that he just happened to hit that one junction that's in there. You know, it's funny you say that because I remember, I remember hearing that story and thinking, boy he's awfully fortunate to have tunneled in at that exact point. Because I mean, if it, if you're to believe that, that's the story would make a lot more sense if there are lots of other sort of test, test pits or what, you know what I mean, like test holds, and then he finally found it, but for him to just go in at that perfect intersection, that's amazing. Or someone was trying to tunnel out. Yeah, not him necessarily. Yeah. Yeah, not him necessarily. Yeah. Because we know the structure was opened in the thr so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. th. th. th. th. th. the structure. th. th. the structure. the structure. th. th. th. the structure. th. the structure. the structure. th. the structure. th. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. the structure. th. th. the structure. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. the. the the the the. the the the the the the the the in antiquity. Like there are records of people going in there before he cut his way in. Like way back, like the ancient Greeks and the people that have gone in there. So there was, there were ways into these structures. It's just a lot of that stuff gets lost in time.

Starting point is 00:58:34 You know, there's, there's a, you know of my favorite topics is the, you guys heard of the labyrinth, the lost labyrinth of ancient Egypt. Let's hear it. So there's this, there's this incredible story. It's basically described as one of the greatest wonders of the ancient world. And this, this is described by people like Herodotus, back in like 450 BC. the Roman, like, the first century, the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, their, the, th, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there's th, there's th, there's th, there's th is th. There's th. There, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there's there's there's there's there's theree. There's theree. There's there's there's therea. There's there's tho. There's there's there's there's there's there's Strabo, Pliny the Elder, like there's these records of this, a tremendous labyrinth that was said to have exceeded the pyramids in Grand Jua. Like you could have fit every single, like, give you an example, like Karnak Temple down near in Luxor. It's the biggest temple, ancient temple, the pyramids, the temple, like, theyrtlea, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thea, the, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, thea, thea, thea, thea, theauu.auauauauauauauauauaua, theauaua, thea, thea, thea, thea, arnak Temple, Luxor Temple, all of the temples of the West Bank inside the labyrinth. It's, you know, we're talking like a thousand feet long by about 800 feet wide. It was just has all these historical accounts of it. Like it has something like 3,000 rooms in it, 12 huge courts.

Starting point is 00:59:39 And it was lost, lost to time, right? It's just been lost to the sands, the ss, the ss, the sa.. the sa the sa, the sa, the saa, their, their, t, tom, tom, t. t. It, tom, the, the, tom. It, tm, tom. It's, tm, thea, tm, tm, tm, tm, thea, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, the, the, the, the, the, the, ta.a. the, thea.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a. It's, the, the, ta,, right? It's just been lost to the sands of time. We don't know where it is. There's been some, some people have speculated where it was. But you know, it turns out we actually found it in 2008. There was a, there was an expedition led by a guy named Louis de Cordia. It's called the, the Madahar expedition happened in 2008. They were partnering with the Egyptian antiquityantantan antiquity antiquity antiquity antiqu's at a place called Hawara. And they were using a whole bunch of different ground penetrating techniques like acoustical stuff, ground penetrating radar, all this stuff, and they found, like, which looks, like it's like a labyrinthian series of these massive

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Starting point is 01:00:56 then he threatened all of the members of the team with you know national security sanctions as in you if you ever come back to Egypt, if you release this, if you ever come back to Egypt, you'll be arrested and put in jail. And they squashed it for some reason. But it's out there at Hawara. Like, we have, Flinders Petrie thought he found it in the late 19th century. He dug down like, sort of like 30 feet down and he found these big granite blocks and he thought, well, this is th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, if th, if thi, if thi, if thi, if thi, if thi, if thi, if thi, if tho, if tho, if th. thee, if thee, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, th, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, th.... And, th. And, th. And, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. th. thr. th. th he thought well this is the foundation like I found the I found the footing the foundation of where this place must have been and everything's been taken. He was standing on the roof of it. He found this thing it's buried in the ground. It's it goes down as there was described as having two levels.

Starting point is 01:01:38 It's probably the most amazing sort of feature of the of the ancient world and we've actually found it but but nobody wants to do anything about it because this this whole the report for it got squashed probably because of the issues that they've had with it's a political thing they they dam they dam they dam they dammed the Nile River back in the 60s so you used to have this this flooding this inundation of the Nile right and when when when when when when when when when when they they they they they they they they they they the the the they the the the th. th. the th. th have this flooding, this inundation of the Nile, right? And when they put in the Aswan Dam, all of that stopped, at least everything north of the dam. And as a consequence, the ground, the water level in the ground's been rising. So the water table at Hawara is at five meters, but the labyrinthat the labara is at five meters, but it's, what the labyrinth. their the labyrinth. th. th. I labyrinth. I labyrinth. th. I's, th. I's, th. I's, th. I's, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that's, th is th is, that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. All. All. All. that. that. All. All. It's, that. It's, that. It's, that. toeea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. tha. tha. toea. tha. tha. tha. tha. th. So they would have a real problem on their hands,

Starting point is 01:02:26 I think maybe politically, if this ever got announced to the world because it's like, shit, this is like the greatest discovery possibly ever made of something like this, but it's slowly being degenerated because it's underneath the ground water, but it's there and you know, with enough money in time we could probably start to excavate it and figure it out but it's it's it's how long would it take to think it is something that rivals

Starting point is 01:02:49 How long would it take to ask a bit something like that is there even like yeah a decade right? Right? I mean it'll take for so long you it's huge too like it's a today? And you can actually see where people have been digging all over that place. Like Hawara is an interesting site. There's a big pyramid there, made of mud brick. Funny enough, sitting on top of these sort of megalithic ruins. So again, it's like they found something interesting, the ancient Egyptians found something interesting on the ground. And they built this to trench, you'd have to figure out how to fix the groundwater situation and then remove millions of tons of sand and get down there.

Starting point is 01:03:29 But honestly, I think if they could, there'd be enough interest in this because it's so well recorded throughout history and then it's just lost to time that you could probably raise the funds with institutions and universities to actually make a start at it. But I suspect this was a decision based on politics. It's like they didn't want to get into the ramifications of damning up the Nile River. And it's also in a location that's kind of a neck to something called the Faume region, which is an agricultural region. And there's all these canals that are cut through it. So you've got water issues going to farmers and agricultural areas so they'd have to get involved in all of that. So it feels to me like a political reason that didn't do it but eventually

Starting point is 01:04:11 Louis de Cordia released the document on the internet. For about a year there's a little site that had it and then that all got shut down too. You can still find it on the internet archive the way back.. You can. You can. You can. You can. You can. You can. You can. You can. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the th. th. th. the th. the th. the th, the th, th, the the th, th, th, th, th thi, th th th th th th th th th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th th th th th th th th th th th th th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the thee the the the the the the the copies of the report now, but I did a whole video on the labyrinth. But that's, that's like, to me, that's like one of the biggest shames of like, hey, we've got a chance to actually uncover what's probably the greatest, one of the greatest monuments and structures ever made in history. We know where it is, but we just don't want to to to to to to to lot of sites, sorry, there's a lot of sites like this, but in South America, right? But instead of sand, it's vegetation, it's all the forests and shit that they can't find.

Starting point is 01:04:50 Jungle. The jungle, right? So there could be something like that in South America as well? We know there is. In fact, in fact, applying our technology, you know, we could figure this stuff out. They've just discovered a whole another series of using LIDAR imagery. So it allows you to kind of see through the trees and the foliage to see the ground. They found remnants of cities. Cities that would have equated the size of London in like the 1800s, like hundreds of thousands of people, and there are hundreds of these in the Amazon Basin. There are, and there's geometric earthworks, oh yeah, so there's perfect massive earthwork, kind of like the mound builder cultures

Starting point is 01:05:34 that you see in North America, like geometrically precise earthworks in the remnants of cities, you're talking hundreds of them. I mean, it's a, it's an entirely lost lost lost lost that we know nothing about that we're only now starting to uncover in the Amazon basin like this, we have no idea. There's been rumors, there's a story called the Lost City of Z. Really interesting story. Aldorado. Yep, right, Eldorado. And but just recently, like in the last 10 years, we've started to again discover that there's a lot of this truth to it. And we know there are just, there must have been hundreds of cities in the Amazon that have just been lost to the jungle,

Starting point is 01:06:16 but we're starting to see them with LIDAR now. So yeah, I mean, again, it's like we have no idea what actually happened in our past. We have very limited information. It's like Hancock calls us a species with amnesia, which I think is a really cool quote. Like we got knocked out, like we had this massive cataclysm only, only 13,000 years ago. We definitely lived through it. We as a species went through it. We had a massive, we survived. We were one of the survivors, right? And I mean, to give you an idea, I mean, it was the number of large animals that exist on the planet today, the number of species, that's the number of species that went extinct 13,000 years ago. It was a big, big event. Like, raise the sea levels, it was the major contributing factor to raising the sea levels some 300, 400 feet. The world looked different. th. And th. And, to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to, to, toe. toe, too. too. too, th. th. the thiiii, the thi. thi, the suioli, the sui, the sui, the sui, the suii, the sui, the sui, the sui, the sui, the sui, the sui, the sue, the sue, the sue, the sue, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, their me me me mea-s, their mea-s, theirea-s, theirea-s, theirea-s, their mea-s, their mea. And, their me factor to raising the sea levels some 300, 400 feet. The world looked different then. Like you have incredible evidence of these cataclysmic floods that happen up in the scablands

Starting point is 01:07:11 of eastern Washington state where those, where those big, the glaciers like the all the ice sheets, the Laurentide and Calderian ice sheets melted. They all flooded down into the Columbia and went out into the Pacific. And that's an incredible landscape that's still freshly scarred from this cataclysmic event that we went through. So we just don't have any memory of what happened before that. You have to go back to things like, you know, the Book of Revelation is a great example. Like they talk about, you know, and the fourth like it's literally describing cosmic impacts. The Mahabra does the same thing. It's crazy man it's crazy then you get into the whole Anunaki stuff and was it about genes and DNA and all that stuff and it gets super

Starting point is 01:08:00 interesting man it gets super interesting I mean it's always been interest it's we're beyond interesting so. So gets super intra- I mean it's always been intra, it's, we're beyond interesting. So what are your thoughts on the sphinx? It's a fantastic monument. It's so it's, it's, uh, the sphinx is interesting when I was talking specifically about go Beckley tepe, kind of has a connection to that. So the Sphinx is one of those things that is often held up as proof of a much longer timeline, right? So you guys may be aware that Robert Schock and John Anthony West, so Robert Schock is a professional geology from Boston University, I think.

Starting point is 01:08:40 So he was a tenured professor, a teaching, or a real academic. And John Anthony West was, rest and peace, he invited Robert Schock to come along and have a look at the erosion on the Sphinx and particularly the erosion of the enclosure that it sits in. So it's been dug down into the bedrock, right? There's these big walls around it. And the walls haven't been modified or changed by the dynastic Egyptians, although the body of the Sphinx itself has been, right? It's been repaired in old kingdom times, the Romans repaired it, we're repairing it. It's tough to see the real sort of age of the body. But on the walls of the enclosure, you can look at the erosion, and Robert Schock, you know, he's a geologist he knows about these things he dated the the erosion uh... to at least like twelve thirteen thousand years ago

Starting point is 01:09:27 and in fact in in discussions with him since he did this this happened twenty years ago so now uh... he since said that it could be as old as thirty to fifty thousand years like he's it's because of those are the it's rainfall erosion so he's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thethese walls and so that the Sahara and that area of Egypt has been a desert for a long time. Right up until about the end of the Pleistocene this same period that I've been talking about. Before that, it was lush, it was verdant,

Starting point is 01:09:54 it had rainfall. So it seems like there was tremendous rainfall, maybe thousands of years of rainfall caused this erosion. So this was really controversial and Robert thought he was on to something and he went and presented it at a big conference with guys like you know Mark Lainer and Zahiwas and he kind of got sniggered at and laughed out of the room. They're like, oh bullshit. And the famous quote from Mark Lainer at the time who is a, you know, Egyptologist. He said show me the pot shirts. Show me where the the where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where where. If. If. If. If. If. If. If. If. If. If. If. If. If, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Robert, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Robert, th. Robert, th. Robert, th. Robert, th. Robert, th. Robert, th. Robert, th. Robert, th. Robert, th. Robert, th. Robert, th. Robert, th. Robert, th. Robert, the. Robert, the. Robert, the. Robert, the. Robert, the. Robert, the. Robert, the. Robert, the the. Robert, the the th. Robert, Egyptologist. He said, show me the pot shirts. Show me, show me where else, if you're saying this is 10 or 12,000 years old, where out, show me something else that's contemporary with this idea. That was his only pushback on that idea. And then 10 years

Starting point is 01:10:38 later, we find Gobekli Tepe, which is in Turkey, it's not very far away. It's a megalithic site. It shows similar techniques in building that we see at the Sphinx, and it's dated to at least 10,000 years old. So it's like you wanted to see your pot shards, you wanted to see your examples of other like megalithic work, here it is. You know, there's other correlations with the Sphinx. So the idea that it may have been a lion originally, obviously the heads, if anyone who's seen it in person, the heads, it's quite clearly been recarved. The head itself doesn't show the same signs of erosion that you see on the body or on the

Starting point is 01:11:15 walls. It's well at truly out of proportion with the body. It's much smaller. So assuming it was a lion back in the the based on the procession of the equinoxes, you know, right now where the sun rises on the on the the solstice, I think it's the spring solstice, you know, we're in the House of Pisces. So these ages correlate like this 26,000 year cycle of the heavens, right? The Earth has this tilt and it changes where the sun rises, under what constellation the sun rises on that spring solstice. And if you wind

Starting point is 01:11:50 back time to about that same period 10 to 12,000 years ago, it would have risen under Leo, so under the lion. And funny enough, those constellations are something that is pretty common and stayed the same across cultures and across time. So it kind of lines th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, tho, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thooooooooooe. their, their, their, their, their, their stayed the same across cultures and across time. So it kind of lines up as well with the idea that you know, it may have been a a Celestial marker in time. It might have been created as a monument's talking about this time. Gobeckley Tepe itself has a similar thing. There's a guy called Martin Swetman, who's published a book that that basically looks at all the figures and the drawings on the pillars of Gobeckletepepepepepepepepepepepepepepepepepepepepepepepe- th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that it that it that it that it that it that it that it that it that it that it that it that it that it that it that it that it that it that it that it that it that it th. th. th. th. th. th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that basically looks at all the figures and the drawings on the pillars of Gobekli Tepe and correlates those to also sort of astro-archoastronomical dating of particular periods and time and time and time and time. the particular periods and time, and thea. It's funny that a lot of them sort of point back to this cataclysm, something, you know, at this point in time, something bad happened. Maybe it's coming around again because all these things are cycles, you know, we tend to run through the same meteor streams that they think cause some of these problems.

Starting point is 01:12:51 Yeah, it's super interesting, just like the time, like if you had to guess what is the oldest structure on planet Earth, what would it be? It's tough to say, there is, there is some stuff, particularly in Peru. So there's, again, you have this same thing as in Egypt, where you have different building styles that are laid up on top of each other. So, you have these three styles in Peru and South America. And the top style, like on the top of everything is like the ink work, it's like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, there, like, like, like, like, there, there, like, there, the there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, there, up on top of each other. So you have these three styles in Peru and South America. And the top style, like on the top of everything's like the inkerwork, it's like loose stone, small stones, mud mortar.

Starting point is 01:13:32 Underneath that you have that megalithic style, the cellular style that's so famous. It's like the Cusco Wars, this, it's these shapes that are sort of carved into the living rock itself. It's not cellular, it's monolithic. And some of that stuff, man, the erosion on it is, is, it just appears tremendously old. Like, it could be hundreds of thousands of years old, some of it. And there are certain parts of Egypt that show similar characteristics. When you, you know, sometimes it takes granite and stone like that a really long time to show signs of erosion.

Starting point is 01:14:14 So, and there's some... I was asking, so you would say that the Aztecs adopted Petz and all those gods. Because they, if they didn't build that pyramidado and all those gods. Because if they didn't build that pyramid, someone built the pyramids or that when the sources comes out, the snake comes down the stack. That is 100% what happened. They completely adopted it, in my humble opinion. Yeah, I mean, I think that's the case in a lot of these cultures. I'm not so sure about a lot of the stuff with the Aztec. I thia, I that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, if that is that is that is, that is that is that is that is, that is, that is, that is, that is that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is that is, that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is very that is very thi, thi, thi, thi, the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their these cultures. I'm not so sure about a lot of the stuff with the Aztec, I think that is very likely the case with

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Starting point is 01:15:28 when kind of the Spanish arrived and started wiping them all out, they lasted about 150 years. That's not a lot of time to create like, you know, all of this capability, and they attribute everything to the Inca in that 150 year period, but you have these vast differences in technology and in building styles with the really inferior smaller work being on top always of the much larger, more precise megalithic work.

Starting point is 01:15:55 So it just doesn't make sense. Somehow they built this megalithic work and inside this period of a single civilization they lost all that capability and they couldn't do it anymore and they just started building in this small style. It doesn't make any sense at all. And certainly the erosion and what you see on these sites doesn't match that model either. So I think yeah they inherited this stuff, they found it. I think what happened in the case of the Inca was that they if they as they came up from the north from the south sorry from like Lake Tidikaka And they probably found a series of broken down and and demolished megalithic sites and eventually the city of Cusco itself, which was a basically a destroyed Megalithic city and then they set to work rebuilding that and making it their home because they found it to be sacred. They probably found it to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. the the the their. their. their. their. their. try. to. to. to. try. to. to. tod. the the the the their. the their. their. their. their. their. their it their home because they found it to be sacred they probably found it to be as special as we do. By the way Kusko is like if ever you get a chance like that's it's such a unique city you just don't there's nowhere else in the world where you have the layers of

Starting point is 01:16:55 civilization build up in the streets you can walk down you've got the megalithic work you've got inker work you it's all stacked up on top of each other in these streets. It's absolutely incredible and really unique. But yeah, I think it's a case, it's in the same way that we've inherited that stuff. I think the same thing just happened in the past. So I mean, I just like wherever we live is so much more interesting than they want us to know and they just don't want to tell us. And for whatever reason, I don't know. I don't know why they don't want to tell us that. I would love to go down to, you know, Latin America and look at all the stuff

Starting point is 01:17:38 going on down there and all the. So they found hundreds of hidden cities in Latin America? Well in small like in that yeah I mean in that's right in in the Amazon Brazil Peru Ecuador like the in those in those heavily forested parts of it. You have the well-established stuff that they found like in the highlands in the mountains in the mountains in the in the Andes that's Cuzcoe, Machu Picchu, you know, Alente Tambo, Saxe-Human but that I think the evidence of civilization is far greater. All that stuff be tough to get to but they're finding it by flying planes above it now and scanning with lida. Yes it's it's it's insane like that that to me is like huge we just don't have no clue. We just there's a whole massive chapter of

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Starting point is 01:19:08 It's nuts and in fact some of this stuff and again, recent scientific work is shown that the whole idea of how we spread out as a species, the whole out of Africa debate, which is one that's always contentious because you're like you're a racist if you don't think we came from Africa. There's there's you know there's there's genetic evidence that suggests that we actually were more into mixed and we crossed across the Pacific in a huge population moved across the Pacific well and truly before anything came down through the land bridge. So really the way they yeah the way they explain this is how humans got into the Americas, right? So during the Pleistocene in the ice ages you had the ice

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Starting point is 01:20:35 but it just doesn't happen. It's like there's a real resistance to change. I'm going to ask you a crazy conspiracy question. Are you into Tataria at all? Any thoughts on Tataria? The mud mud flood stuff? Yeah. Yeah, not not really. It's interesting. I haven't looked that deeply into it.

Starting point is 01:20:58 I've talked to some people that are like to Tatar and mud flood proponents. Like you ever look into like, you should look into like the world fairs of the 1800s and like what they told us was going on and you're like, oh no, there's no way. They're like, I think it's the World Fair of 1872 or 1834, I'm not sure, but in Chicago. And they're like, yeah, man, we built this in two years. That's the Columbia World Fair. Oh, the the the the the the world's the the world's. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, we built this in two years. That's the Columbia World Fair. Oh, is that it? Well, I mean, that's what it was called, the Columbia World's Colonial. In Chicago.

Starting point is 01:21:31 But it was in Chicago? The World's Colombian exhibition is what it was called, an exposition. And it was an 1893. 1893. So, you know, they've asked architects how long would it take for you to put this together and they're like just the design would take 15 years. Yeah the design is but it was made out of like plaster though we should say all that shit. That's what that's what that's no but no but that's what they say is what I'm saying that's their excuse a lot of thate and I'm open to that that I'm thin I'm thin I'm thin I'm thin I'm thin I'm thin I'm thin I'm thin I'm thin I'm thin I'm the their I'm their I'm their I'm their I'm their I'm their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their I'm their I'm their I'm their I'm their I'm their I'm their I'm their I'm their I'm their I'm their their their their their their their their thee theeeeeeeateeate theeeeateeate they they they they. their their their their Johnny, you think they built all those things out of plaster? No, I didn't say that. I said that's what, that's the explanation. It's not like there's no,

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Starting point is 01:23:07 No, that they want us to believe we're dumb animals. It's I mean you see it every day, dude. That's it's that the agenda is 100% to divide us and make us think we're insignificant. Oh yeah, it's so crazy. How many times I said that in this episode today? So, no man, I would love to go see some of this stuff. I think that's a goal of mine is to go visit all. Where are you going next? Do you have anywhere you're gonna go next?

Starting point is 01:23:31 Yes, I'm up into the scablands with Randall Carlson. So we do with best trip in October and a trip in November to Egypt. Back to Egypt twice in two months. That'll be fun. When you return, do you visit the same places or do you go to different places? How does that work? We do, we mixed up a little bit, but a lot of these we do tours. So I have, I've been running Egypt, some of the guys that are in my videos, I feature them a lot so. And it's a nice way to be able to do, we do a lot of

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Starting point is 01:24:47 I mean, do you know what I mean? Like, I saw a picture of one of the interior rooms, I think, you know, like one of the tombs. And it was, they just had like two, I don't know, they were they were the, their, and like some some floodlights on some some you know look like temporary sort of stands you know and that was it you know no no no plaques on the wall or any of that shit so it's no I think that's a better approach if it was in America bro they would knock it down oh really yeah it'd be pimped out I mean look slaves built it slaves built you can't have something that slaves go.

Starting point is 01:25:27 Yeah. They would they would knock it down and replace it with a cass I mean look what they did the Yankee stadium and that's like you know I mean that's like America's pastime they could have done where it was in the middle of where they'd probably let it be in the middle of nowhere they'd probably let it be and turn it you know pimp it out and turn it into it but if it was in valuable on valuable real estate yeah we got a we got to build some offices here well they've done that already here like there's been there's been historical like mound sites that they've basically knocked down and created golf courses over like this unbelievable it's been a So all the alignment, so it's Stonehenge one of the things you can do it certain times of the year go and look at it and see where the sun rises or sets.

Starting point is 01:26:10 Yeah. They built, they fucking build a parking administration building on the skyline. Oh, shut up! Where the sun is, they put a building right there is like, oh come on. So it doesn't work anymore? Right, yeah, yeah, you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you th. You, you th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that. thate. that. thi. that that that that sta. So, so, so, so, so th. So, so, so, so, so, so, so th. So, so, so, so, so, th. So, th. So, th. So, to to to th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, there is like, oh come on. So it doesn't work anymore? Yep. Right. Yeah. Yeah, you can't actually see it. Wow. You gotta go. Is that purposeful? Is that done purposefully? Maybe. Yeah. Now you can see their building instead of the sun. Of course it did purposely. Yeah. Yeah, we got a billboard. If you could have one mystery solved, what would it be? What would be the one mystery that you're like, and some just beings like here's the answer to your one mystery?

Starting point is 01:26:54 What would it? Man, that's a tough one. I, I, it, you know, I would want to see. If I really had to pick one, it would be how they created and moved the what would have been like 1,000 to 1,200 tons. So there's a number of these things in Egypt. People don't, everyone kind of knows about the colossal of Memnon, which are pretty impressive, like this seven still 700 plus tons. But there are like remnants of these statues in Egypt that were single piece, granite. Like granite's not an easy stone to carve, that would have been well and truly over a thousand tons.

Starting point is 01:27:38 And, you know, they're made with such utter precision. There's a few of these examples that are still, like there's ones at Luxor Temple that are four to 500 tons, and they are perfectly symmetrical. So it's like, I've seen people that you do experience where we take a front-on photo of the face, and you do a reverse transparency. So you mirror it down the center and you flip it over and you make each one, you know, 50% transparent and it lines up perfectly and that people have done some measurements on this stuff. This is not a symmetry that you find in artwork like, you know, Michelangelo's David for

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Starting point is 01:30:05 We just don't know how old a lot of that stuff is. But that would be the mystery I want to solve is like how in the world did you guys make? Because we don't do anything like that today. Nothing like, other than like Mount Rushmore, but actually creating a thousand to statue of granite and moving it around. Like they make, it literally makes world news when they moved a 70 ton statue in Egypt to the new museum and they had to put it on a specially constructed trailer and with this crazy big frame around it and they made a parade out of it

Starting point is 01:30:35 and it was headline news around the world. It's 70 tons. They were doing this on the regular with stuff that's over a thousand tons. And we just have no idea how it happened. There's no records of them doing it. There's no depictions of them doing it. Then the Egyptians didn't talk about it. I, you know, I think they inherited that stuff and they built their sites around it. Because the logic was that.

Starting point is 01:30:54 The logic was that they built it to tomb and you were born. No, that's not the. No, no, no, no. The Pharaoh's, like that's what they tell you in high school is that it was a tomb for them. But even if it was, how long would it still take to make it? Will you have to ask to be built the second you were born? Well, that's a great point and you were talking about. Well, that's a great. X. X. X. X. X. X. the. the. the. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. That's th. That's th. th. th. th. th. That's th. That's th. th. That's th. th. th. th. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what's what's what's what. It's what's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's what. It's. It's. It's th. It's th. It's. It-business World Fair that you supposedly built. That's a big problem with the Great Pyramid, you know, so it's supposedly built for Pharaoh Kufu and yet he would and supposedly built within they say 20 years, 20 to 25 years. Now that damn pyramid has something like two and a million blocks of stone in it. Average weight, three to four tons. You would have to, you would have to, this doesn't include, you talk about design, it doesn't include the foundation work into the bedrock, which it was years of work in that, probably years of work in the design, just inside of 20 to 25 years, you would have had to have been quarrying, shaping, shaping, shipping, fitting, putting in place a block every five minutes for non-stop for

Starting point is 01:32:06 that period of time to make that actually happen. There's no way that you can get that thing done inside of a single lifetime. Like it's just not a, it's just does, it's, it beggers belief to when you really analyze, like the logistics of trying to make that structure, let alone the probably like years of bedrock work to prepare the logistics of trying to make that structure, let alone the probably like you said, the years of planning and then years of bedrock work to prepare the site. And that doesn't include like that there's inside of it, the stuff made of granite that's 70, 80 tons,

Starting point is 01:32:32 all these beams of granite that had to ship from 500 miles away and lift up like three 400 feet. There's some that are meant to be like obstacles or something that like closed chambers behind almost like Indiana Jones style like yeah it's very it's very interesting that Yeah there's so there's granite plug blocks in the in the ascending passageway three or four of them and then you have the actual what they call a king's chamber is actually all made from granite there's a it transitions from limestone to granite and there's a port color system. they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they were they were they were they were they were they were they were the the the the their. They were their. T their. There the the their the their their their. T. There. There were their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. their their their the the thea. thea. the. the. the. the. the. th, it transitions from limestone to granite. And there's a port color system. There were granite blocks in there and then in the whole, the whole, it's like this geometrically precise chamber.

Starting point is 01:33:13 It's two perfect squares put together. It, by the way, you could get in talked about the, you know, pie and fi and some of the constants of nature being reflected in that chamber. But it's made out of, you know, granite blocks that are 70 to 80 tons each. And not only that, there's seven or eight layers of them stacked up on top of it. So there's all these other chambers that are up above it. They call them relieving chambers, but they don't actually relieve any pressure or anything. They just all stacked. And it's all th th huge blocks of granite. It had to come from 500 miles. What are your thoughts on the people who think that these rocks were poured? Geopoloma stuff, yeah, I'm not, so I think there's some, um, some evidence that some of that might have been done

Starting point is 01:34:00 in some places in South America. I think the strongest evidence for geopolymer, there's been a bit of research done in a place called Tijuanaku and Puma Punku that suggests that some of that stuff could have could have been poured in its origin. I think there's still a lot of work to be done. Even in those places you still see too marks and precision which doesn't always explain it. I have a real challenge with that theory I think for Egypt though, for a couple of different reasons. First off, we have quarries. So we have the actual quarries where a lot of these stones came from. And in some cases, like the unfinished obelisk in the aswine quarry, like it's a 1,200 to obelisk that's still attached to the bedrock. We can see th, we th, we th, we th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th, th, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. First, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, thr, thr, too, tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, thorock. We can see where they got the stones from. Same thing at Giza with the limestone stuff. You can see the quarries and the shapes of where they cut these blocks from.

Starting point is 01:34:52 Inside a lot of the limestone blocks we still see strata layers. So there's different layers of strata. So in the ground, so they're still reflected in the blocks when they cut into the blocks and you look at them. That wouldn't be the case if that was like a mix that was poured. And the same thing for granite. So there's a whole bunch of different examples where you have granite objects that have veins of other material running through them. So you might have like these stripes of red or white are these natural veins of material that is formed. Which by the way, you can't really make granite from pouring and mixing stuff together.

Starting point is 01:35:27 The way that's, you know, it's millions of years of pressure and heat. Like that's why it's such a good material for a kitchen counter. It's tough as shit. So, yeah, it's, I don't think, I don't think the stuff in Egypt was geopolymer in nature. Plus, I mean, just logistically, every block is a different shape and size. You would have had to make a mold. The way we do geopolymer today, I think of like bricks, we make one mold and we make a million bricks from it. You would have to have made a mold for every single block for that to have work. And we just don't see that sort of uniform, uniform nature of the... There have to be a mold. Yeah. That's th. T th. T th. T th. T the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be their their to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be the way. the way. the way. the way the way. the way. the way. the way. the way. the way. the way. the way. the way. the way. the way. the way. the way. the way. the way. their their their their their their their their their their their to their their to their their to to to their to to to to to to to to their to the way. the way. the way. the way. their to be a mold. There have to be a mold. Yeah. They have to be molds.

Starting point is 01:36:05 I know there are stories of people going way back, and thinking they were entering these pyramids for the first time and then finding that they had already been completely cleaned out by someone else. What are there any reports about, what are the most reliable reports about what was inside of the pyramids initially? Do we know anything about that? There's not a lot. That's a funny thing about the pyramids, man. When you're in them too, it doesn't feel like it's made for humans. It's just not everything about them. I've talked a lot of people, I'm taking a lot of people through them,

Starting point is 01:36:45 and a lot of people feel like you're walking inside some form of machine. It's not, there's just, and there's not a lot of information to say that, that they found it, there's really nothing in them. There's a box in them. So one of this weird theory that I have thia, thia, thii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi functional nature that has to do with these with boxes like these I don't call them sarcophagus they're boxes same as the big boxes in the Serapium the 100 ton ones that were supposedly for balls even they could fit like half a dozen balls in them they're either underground or in these structures and it's a real common theme in these boxes often display these signs of precision manufacture. And that's about all we found. There's no hieroglyphs, there's no, you know, we know what, for example, we know what old kingdom tombs look like. Like at geese,

Starting point is 01:37:29 you have stacks of examples of old kingdom actual tombs from the Egyptians, covered in artwork, got these statues, got all this drawings and everything about that culture and what they did to bury they're dead and their nobles and they're the We know what those look like and that's none of these pyramids look anything like that on the inside. And we just don't, a lot of, so much of it, we just don't know, there's no real records as far as I know about what was found in there. There's, you know, do you was a lid on the box or there was another block here or there, and then people have tracked and found, okay, this block's missing, but in terms of like treasures and bodies, there's nothing. We've not done anything. Do you have any intuition about based on its form, what it might have been? I mean, I know you said, you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you said, I know, you said, you said, you said, you said, I know, you said, I know, I know, you said, I know, th th th th th th thi, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, th. th. th. th. th. the, the, their, their, their, their, their, and their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. their, thr, thr, thr, thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. thro. thr. thro. thro. thro. thro. thr. thr. that, like, about, just based on the form, like what

Starting point is 01:38:25 the different, you know, descending and ascending shoots and ladders were for? Because I find it really fascinating. If you look at the map of it, you're right, it doesn't, just like you said, it doesn't seem like it was made for people to go inside of. Right. Well, I'd have to go back again to probably the work of Chris done here and say that my best guess, and it's pure speculation is that I think it may have been some form of generator, of energy, micro-generator, of what form of energy, I'm not sure. That's probably the best guess. Again, it's very, it's difficult to look at it because we're forced to kind of look at it through the lens of our own technology

Starting point is 01:39:05 and I think some of these answers probably lie outside of our current perspective and understanding. And we should be open to that idea to try and figure it out. That's a big thing for me is like the technological perspective on the past. It could be like, I actually, I think, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, thithere's a, in the wildest side of speculation, I think it's, it could be possible that all these sites were connected, like not just a pyramid, but the entire pyramid complex, the series of them. They may be connected to, you know, to Sakara, to Abusea, to Dasur, like the whole thing could have been connected in functioning in some way together too. Like that's, if you want to go into the wildest end of speculation, I think that's a possibility.

Starting point is 01:39:46 The obelisks might have had something to do with it. Yeah, I don't know. I just think we should be open to those possibilities and we should be using our capability as best we can to try and figure it out. And just that's the big problem. Like we're just, to this any other idea than it's just oh it's ceremonial and you know it was it's just purely for you know for symbolic purposes that that's the only answer that you're permitted to give like there's just no other room for other explanations and I think if we were just a little bit more open-minded we might actually be able to learn a bunch of stuff.

Starting point is 01:40:21 Not only just about these sites but we might actually learn stuff that can help us. Like, we might learn some things about techniques and how to work with this material. How much is that? How much of that is the dogma of academia versus the sort of the pride that the Egyptian people take and their history as they've learned it? Well, it's tightly coupled together, I'd say, because these sites are in Egypt, it's controlled by the Council of antiquities who also control access to the sites and what sort of institutions

Starting point is 01:40:55 can do work on them. Oh, yeah, of course. They're kind of coupled together. So it's, you know, there's the expeditions or the experiments and the people that do research that have a different perspective, a few and far between. A few of them have happened. Occasionally they'll relent, and we've had a change in leadership in the Egyptian Council of Antiquities, and that guy seems to be a little bit more open to some of these possibilities.

Starting point is 01:41:22 And there's certainly been a little bit more work being done for example that they're doing this really cool experiment at the moment using cosmic rays to try and detect the big void that's inside the great pyramids. They've heard about this so they've they've basically doing muon detection so these cosmic particles that slow down fractionally when they go through stone or through voids and they're trying to use that over it takes years but they're trying to use that to map out where they think there are these other cavities inside the Great Pyramid so that sort of stuff I think is really encouraging and it's you know again it's the challenge is always like what does it mean for history afterwards like some of thiii. That's certainly been there may be some sort of drive to, if it does challenge things too much, then we dismiss it. That's certainly been the case for things like, you know, tube drills.

Starting point is 01:42:10 Like I did an hour and a half documentary on YouTube talking about tube drills. That's it. Just these tubular drills that are drilled into granite and these hard substances and looking at an analysis of the cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause cause the cause the cause the cause the cause the cause the cause that they snap out of them and of the toll marks. It's it's really definitive. Like it's it was clearly done with a technology that surpasses our ability to drill into granite today like five something like 500 times greater penetration rain, right? So it's like, but it just will not be discussed in the academic world. They will they just refuse to even admit that this thing has a

Starting point is 01:42:45 spiral groove going around it that shows how fast it was being drilled into the ground. And it literally got to the point where what they did, there's a textbook that tried to explain it, and this is like the textbook gets used in universities. They tilted the photograph, so they took a photograph of this drill core and tilted it slightly to make the lines look horizontal. Wow. And that's where they got to with it. It's like, why do this? Why?

Starting point is 01:43:12 It's like ego is not your thrown. Well, yeah, well, you see the same that they find on the west coast here in America, you know, and people, I mean, there's so many arguments about about the age of the sites just, you know, just down the road here. And that people, you know, you'll hear the academics when they hear the dates, you know, and I don't know the numbers, but they'll be like, oh, that can't be. You know, people who have never dismissed it dealing square, you know, when they dismiss things out of hand like that. That's right. It's called the Clovis Doctrine and it was it was it was established in North America. Yeah, Clovis

Starting point is 01:43:55 Culture so it was the Clovis first. It was the Clovis doctrine was like they cannot be any any human settlements prior to this like, was it like, it was like 10,000 years, whatever the Clovis culture line is. And they would literally stop digging. In these sites in the West, and here in America is they would get to that layer in the strata and stop digging because they were like, okay, that's the Clovis line and they would go under it and there were guys I forget Jacques someone or other something called the bluefin caves. This is actually up in Alaska.

Starting point is 01:44:29 He found evidence of human populations and and civilization there for like 25,000 years ago. And he was literally run out of his career like he was laughed out of the room and it drove him out of the career and like he was going into depression and all these sort had like that's just just the ridicule that he suffered for even daring to suggest something that broke that Clovis doctrine. That's been a real problem in archaeology in like the mafia and it keeps that keeps finding sites it is yeah it's it's an old boys club it that it's definitely how it works. And it's just, you know, you've got the, is it the San Diego, the Mammoth site that may be as far back as 130,000 years,

Starting point is 01:45:11 it looks like there's been tool use. Oh my God. Amazing. Yeah. Oh my God. The Clovis Doctrine was a big problem. It still is to some extent a big problem here like you could go to a lot of these archaeological sites and keep digging. I'll fight him bro is he alive? I'll fight him right now. I can probably fight for charity dude. Yeah. Okay how fight give me a list bro give me your kill

Starting point is 01:45:34 bill list. I'll do the work. Ben you came you saw you crushed. You crushed. You crushed. You did a great job. I was a little under the weather and you came and you dropped the hammer the gods on us. It was an excellent episode. I really enjoyed. I look forward to having you back on. If you'll hang out with a couple of three degenerates again, we'd love to have you back. So you want to check out his website.

Starting point is 01:45:59 Go to uncharted X forward to doing it again. A lot to do it again. Thanks so much Sam. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. We go deep home, boy. Eric, open your mic. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. You just blew my mind.

Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #574: Historical Mysteries And Unexplained Ancient Engineering With Unchartedx's Ben Van Kerkwyk

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