Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #593: Hollow Earth And The Anomalies Of The Moon With Brooks Agnew

Starting point is 00:00:00 Timfoil Hat. Oh, what the fuck are you guys even talking about? Global controls will have to be imposed, and a world governing body will be created to enforce them. Welcome to Tinfoil Half. We go deep, home boy. Eric, open your mic. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. Aaron, open your mind.

Starting point is 00:00:28 Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional mind. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. There's, you just blew my mind. Are you ready to get your mind done? Go! Morning, Swarm and welcome to Tim Fall-Hat.

Starting point is 00:00:53 You know I am? You know what I'm here to do? I'm here to rock. Yeah, you took it away from me. Okay, yeah. I was just in glory of my, dude. That was great. Yeah, thank you, dude. Sometimes I just get in the zone, you know. Join me as always, Xavier Guerrero and Jay Nice, Johnny Woodard. How are you guys? Dumbfounded by that, by that good morning.

Starting point is 00:01:12 Well, yeah, it was pretty powerful. Sometimes I hit it and I could feel it and I'm just like, get out of my way. You think like Alicia Keys or Michael Jackson never felt that and they just put a job doing it. I would I would have that's exactly what I would I would have compared you to Alicia Keys in that yeah I was in the zone. That's the first name they feel my vibrations bro I did. This girl is on fire that's how I felt when you were doing that you're on fire that's very rude do you call call me a girl? Well, I mean, that's her song. Okay. You're gender fluid. Is it this girl's on fire? I thought, how's the song go?

Starting point is 00:01:51 I don't know, Lisa Kees? This town is on fire. I thought that's what they were. No, no, no, that was the LA riots. Oh, okay. All right. Guys, we have a great show for you today. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. that the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the girl is the girl is the girl is the girl is th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. theeeeeee. theeeeeeeee. the the theeeeeee. Is have Brooks Agnew on and I think you guys are going to thoroughly enjoy this conversation. And I think if there's going to be some points in this, then you're going to be like, hey, what the hell. And then you're going to realize this guy is like us, but he has science behind what he's talking about. Am I wrong? I mean, you know, he's like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like the he's like he's like he's like he he's like he he's like he he's like he he's like he he's like he he's like he he's like he he's like he he's like he. He's like he. He's like he. He's like he. He's like he. He's like th. he. he. he. he. he. he. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. th. th. th. th Am I wrong? I mean, the way you put it. Yeah, I mean, he's like us, but he knows shit. No, but he has data. He's like data and you like, I'm telling you man, this is a show you got to go to the end. This is a show you have to go all the way through to really understand who this. I want you guys, I tell you this. I this all this all, I this, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th th th th th th th th th th th th th the you the you the the, I that, I that, I that, I that, I'll that, I'm that, I'm the the the the the the the the the the the thi, I thi, I the the thi, thi, the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. He, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm thi, I'm tote. te. tell, I'm thro. throooooo. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, tell you this all the time and maybe I don't need to tell you this. The purpose of the show, okay? The purpose of the show is not to have people on that I agree with all the time. The purpose of the show is have people on that I want, I want the guest to shine.

Starting point is 00:02:57 I want the guest to have their time to say what they want to say and get it the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the want to say and get it across to the best of my ability. There's some topics that maybe I'm not as interested in in talking about because I just feel like it doesn't add to the conversation but if they're on the show I want them, it's a very art bell way of doing the show which is for that time that they're on the show we're gonna assume everything they're saying is correct and we're to allow to allow to allow to allow to allow to allow the to allow the the the the the the the the the the the they they they they they they they they they'll the the they'll they'll they'll their their their their they they they their they'll their their they're they're they're they're they're their they're their.a. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they their their to to to to to to to to to to to to tha.a.a. toe. toe. toe. toe. the. their their their their they're the show we're gonna assume everything they're saying is Is is correct and we're gonna allow them to have the stage to say what they want to say then you the listener Listen and you decide whether you agree with what's being said and everything. I really enjoyed this conversation because if you actually to listen to a lot of stuff that Brooks is saying it's from a data-driven scientific point of view. And he, you know, I know you flat-earthers out there and I know you guys space is fake and all that stuff, may not necessarily agree with everything he's saying.

Starting point is 00:03:54 But he also always brings it back to our kind of realm. And that's why I really loved about this, this conversation. When you guys agree on that, it was like, yeah, it was like, you know, we had the space people people people people people people people people people people people people people people, th, th, th, th, th, th, th space, th space, th space, th space, th space, th space, th space, that, that, that, that, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th you guys agree on that, it was like, yeah, it was like, you know, we had the space people on and we had like, oh, space people, whatever, dude, it's all, a guy. But you know, it's like, there was some really great, great, great, data discussions on the show and the show ends super strong. What do you guys think? We asked them something crazy. I don't think so, but I'm open-minded. That alone is like, I was like, all right, I mean, the guy was talking about the nephalm, you know, like the guy literally gets to the nephalm.

Starting point is 00:04:30 So I want you guys to know this is a wonderful conversation. I think so. I thoroughly enjoyed. And I, like, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, like, like, I, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the.................... the. the. the. the. the. the. the. I, like, like, like, like, like, like, I. it and I just want you guys to because yeah he's a space guy. There's enough room in Temple Hat for your head and your heart. Yeah, for everybody. Bring it in. And it was a great conversation. They used to say that my church. They said there's enough room in the doorway for your head and your heart.

Starting point is 00:04:57 Yeah, dude, he brings, like, dude, but he has data behind what he's saying. And I think it was great. Am I looking too much into that? No. I enjoyed him, man. I would have them back on in a heartbeat. I thought it was a wonderful conversation. I hope you guys enjoy it as well.

Starting point is 00:05:19 And I think it was a real banger, dude. If you guys want to see me live, live, live, live, I'm gonna be in San Francisco, the fifth and sixth of August with early shows, Sam Tripoli, late shows, Tim Follet, Eddie Bravo, Xavier Guerrero. I'm like, my good friend Augustino, Zoida will be hosting both show, well be featuring for me in the first show, hosting the second show so that XG doesn't have to go up and host when you're gonna start hosting by the way I'm hosting Georgia show this the show at you mom so get the ball rolling yeah yeah yeah hey hey we're the big foot people at hey hey

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Starting point is 00:15:00 deep home boy Eric open your mic. Drink from the pommers. Okay, let's get into it. I'm very excited to talk to this next guest because we're going to discuss some of my favorite topics. Hollow Earth is by far one of my favorite things to talk about. He is an master energy engineer, a scientist,

Starting point is 00:15:23 seven-time best seller, okay, Earth Explorer. Please welcome Brooks Agnew. How are you, sir? I'm great, good to be here. Thank you so much for coming on our podcast. It does mean a lot to us. For our listeners and viewers who may not be familiar with you, can tell us a little bit about yourself and where they can find you?

Starting point is 00:15:45 Yeah, sure. I am, as you said, a master engineer. I work for the Fortune 100. I build manufacturing plants so that, you know, we can make things from cars to airplanes to all kinds of consumer goods. And I've been doing that for a long time, more than two and a half decades. But I'm also an author, and I've written now 12 books, and seven of them have been bestsellers. And they're in, they're all non-fiction with fictional characters in them to take you through

Starting point is 00:16:20 the story. So it's kind of a mix between, we call it fictional history. So it's real history with fictional people in it. And they can reach me by just going to Brooks Agnew.com, Brooks Agnew.com, every book I sell, all my podcast, everything is linked there and you can learn all about what I do. Well, I love it. I have a question for you. We're going to get into the hollow earth, but you brought up some that you build manufacturing plants. Is that exclusively in the U.S.

Starting point is 00:16:52 or you do it all over the world? I have done it exclusively in the U.S. I did one in Monterey, Mexico. I was in, I think it was, yeah, I was in the mid-90s. It was my first one. But then I have brought plants back from like Japan and China to the US and rebuilt them here and hired Americans to work in them. Well, I love that because it's kind of getting to my, what I want to ask you about, and we will get in hollow earth. So I think there's this belief that if we brought tha this the tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha tha there is this belief out there and Johnny you can jump in

Starting point is 00:17:25 any time but there's this belief that if we brought manufacturing back to the United States everything would skyrocket the prices would be ridiculous and I go I don't think I like I don't think so I think there was a time when we made stuff here and it wasn't ridiculously priced and and I think there was a time when we made stuff here and it wasn't ridiculously priced. And I think what would happen at first is that the margin of profit for the company at first would take a little hit, but over time once people have more jobs, they would buy more things and you would slowly start to see their profits going up because people would have more disposable cash and be able to buy more stuff.

Starting point is 00:18:05 And you know, I actually got an argument, and this isn't meant to get into politics, but I got an argument with a very woke comic who I respect a lot, but he's woke and he's written on some super huge shows and but he's Democratic obviously, but he's's also which Democrats tend to be the pro-pro worker right but yet they're also very much for free trade which is always seen like an oxymoron to me maybe or am I using that the proper way it seemed to be a conflict and what are your thoughts on that do you think that the price of goods would skyrocket so high if you brought the back, brought manufacturing back

Starting point is 00:18:51 to the United States? Well we've actually tested this several different ways. First, we passed regulations that required companies like Toyota and Nissan and B.M.W. and Mercedes. If they're going to sell cars in this country, then they have to build plants in this country and their thir th. th. their th. their th. their their th. th. their th. thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their their their their their thi, thi, their thi, if their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, if their, their, their, th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to to to to toe toe, toe, tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. their to to to their to Mercedes. If they're going to sell cars in this country, then they have to build plants in this country and assembled their cars here. And what we found was that the vehicles that they assembled here were better and they didn't cost that much more to make. In fact, in many cases they cost less to make. So that's one story. The other is that, you know, if we if we made made th th th th th th th th the the the th th th th th to make made made made made made made made made made made made made made made to make to make to make to make to make to make to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. to make. So that's one story. The other is that, you know, if we if we made it here in America, it would be more expensive because our labor rates are higher. Not necessarily. What would happen

Starting point is 00:19:34 is the costs would go up to the manufacturer, but the prices to the consumer would actually stay about the same. The good news is, and the part of the economics that these companies do not understand, which is where I really come down with a sledgehammer on the Fortune 100 is, who's gonna buy your product? Who is gonna buy your product in the US if they're not working? And then they finally get the connection. Oh, we have to like make an eco-cycle, where the people that are working are earning, you are earning, are earning, the money, are earning, are earning, the money, the money, the money, the money, the money, the money, thying get the connection. Oh, we have to like make an eco cycle where the people that are working are earning the

Starting point is 00:20:08 money who are buying our product, who are making our product, and yes, that's the way it goes. So you have to create an economy. You can't just continue to take energy out of the system and hope that it will keep giving and giving forever. Eventually it will run out of the system and hope that it will keep giving and giving and giving forever. Eventually it will run out of energy. That's why Henry Ford sold the Ford at a price that the consumed that his worker could buy. Why would you make something they can't buy it and who's going to buy it?

Starting point is 00:20:34 I completely agree. We actually said he could give the vehicles away and he would make money on the spare parts. Yep. I complete. Now would the first companies to really commit to this idea, would they take a bath kind of? Because it would take some time to build up that base of wealth, right? Among the workers. It depends on how they build it. Now the way it's commonly done in the US is those companies go public. So they dump their shares on the public market. But what has happened in the last 30 years is a process called naked short. th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that that that that that that that that that that thate, would thate, would thate, would thate, would thate. Would thate. Would thi thi thate. Would thate. Would thate, would would would would would would would would that, would that, would that, would th. Would, would th. Would, would th, would th, would th, would th, would th, would th, would th, would th, would th, would th, would th, would th, would that, would that, would that, would that, would that, that. that that that that their their their their their their thate. thate. thate. thate. that that that that th dump their shares on the public market. But what has happened in the last 30 years is a process called naked short trading. And this is where your competition buys shares that don't exist of your company.

Starting point is 00:21:13 Like, for instance, think of Tesla Motors back in the early 2000s. 2006, 2007, 2008. They were running out of money. And they went, they were running out of money, and they did a capital call, brought Elon Musk back in, and he asked for more shares, became the largest shareholder to hostile takeover, and then he went public,

Starting point is 00:21:37 and the company was selling for about 2360 a share, something like that. Well, Citigroup, naked shorted 100 million of their shares on the market at less money than what those shares were selling for, and they were then beginning to spread bad press about the electric vehicles. Well Elon Musk had one market maker to work for the LA, I'm sorry, the Times magazine, Time magazine, and they did an excoriating article after they trash the car. So Elon sent an engineer to Pennsylvania, got the black box out of the car, flew it back, they decoded it, found that the guy had totally trashed the car and the car had actually

Starting point is 00:22:21 performed better than it was originally designed. So Elon, being the car had actually performed better than it was originally designed. So Elon being the master marketer himself went right back to the markets with a press release and said no actually the car did better than it was designed. Well the stock bumped just a little bit, just a little bit about a buck 50 a share, but it was enough to catch City Group in what we call a squeeze. City Group had to deliver a hundred million shares. They didn't own. The only place they could get those shares was off the market.

Starting point is 00:22:51 And by the time it was done, the shares were selling for $200 a share. Elon had paid off his Department of Energy loans nine years early. And he had built a 360 million dollar plant. He burned Citigroup for 1.2 billion dollars and that, my friends, is why we have Tesla Motors today. Wow. That's awesome, man. Elon Musk is such an interesting guy. You know, there's some people that love them. There's some people that hate them. And, you know, I believe in the law of dual them, there's some people that hate them.

Starting point is 00:23:25 And you know, I believe in the law of duality. I think we have light and dark in all of us. And that's why we could look at like a politician and be like, oh, this guy's good. And then our best friend could be like, no, dude, he's bad. Well, I think we have all that inside us and you see what you want to see. So I think that's Elon Musk as well. There's some things he does that's very progressive for humanity, not progressive in politics, but progressive for humanity. And then there's things he does that are quite shady and you question whether he's the anti-christ, right? I mean, like, it's just, it's a neural link. It's very interesting. Yeah, it's all super interesting. But you know, I want to get into Hollow Earth

Starting point is 00:24:08 and I want to lead into it with this. You know, when you study what's going on in the world, and most people look at it through the lens of their own way they see the world, right? So when you see these things that these masters of mankind are doing, and it, and it, and it, right, right, thua, right, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, it's, thi, it's, it's, it's, it's, thi, thi, it's like, thi, thi, to, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th.. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the they, thin, they. th th to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th to, thi. thi. th thi. th th th these things that these masters of mankind are doing, and it doesn't make real sense, right? You're like, hey man, why is Trudeau trying to cut down on the amount of cattle? Well, he says it's for global warming, but it's going to cause massive food shortages. Most people wouldn't want that. You're like, yeah, most people wouldn't want that if you're doing it from a perspective. When I look at this through a spiritual lens, okay, and I go, well, if there's people in here, if you look at the way that we have the God and

Starting point is 00:24:57 the all-know-and-all, that is the all, and there's layers of this stuff, and then there's layers of this stuff and then there's certain entities that are trapped here. As I hope I'm not losing you here, Brooks, I'll get to a lot. But if there's certain entities that are here that are trapped here that hate humanity because they are trapped here, then it starts to make some sense that this is a spiritual war. And what they don't want you to know is how special you really are. And how special this place really is. So when we get into something like hollow earth, people can't grasp that this place is way more mystical and magical than they are led to believe because they don't think that the people who are in charge with educating us would ever deceive us from how special we are and where we live. And that's why I think Hollow Earth is such an important discussion.

Starting point is 00:25:51 Because it is, it really means this place is way more enchanting than they ever want us to know, right Brooks? What are your thoughts on that? Well, it certainly is not a new idea when when my co-author, my late co-author, E.J. Clark and I wrote the Ark of Millions of Years series, that's 2,000 pages, totally nonfiction. We researched 44 ancient cultures about how they thought about the earth. What did they think about their relationship with the Earth. And we found, without exception, they had a kind of symbiotic relationship with the Earth, not just in the way that they till the Earth

Starting point is 00:26:31 and treat the Earth, but in the way they think about the Earth. They thought life energy came out of the Earth, that we were actually built from dirt, you know, just like it says in the Bible. And the matter that it takes to make up Earth also makes up our bodies, and so we have this kind of energetic relationship. Now, entities that are not from Earth, they don't have that relationship. They're not made from the stuff of this planet. Not only that, they may have been involved in a prior conflict, which we call the war in heaven, but they might have been involved in a prior conflict in which they fought us before.

Starting point is 00:27:08 And we ended up with an inheritance of mortality, which they didn't get. So they're pretty jealous about that. It turns out that a lot of the mythology and a lot of the for its day science of the day was quite accurate. The fact that the Earth revolved on axis, the fact that the Earth revolved around the sun, the fact that the Sun was part of a galaxy. We went back to the 6th century and found models of the Milky Way galaxy, pretty well represented.

Starting point is 00:27:40 Now we don't know how they got those models. They didn't have telescopes. As far as we know, they didn't have space travel, but the models were pretty good. So we, I realized as we got done with the book, I was gathering all kinds of evidence because these are totally nonfiction books. Somebody had a book called our Hall or Earth. I read it.

Starting point is 00:28:02 I thought, that doesn't really reallyive with me. I put it on the shelf and didn't think about it again. I'm a hard scientist here. So what happened over the years as we finished the fourth volume, actually a third volume, we were working on the fourth volume, some science experiments took place that made me very curious. There were some space programs like the L-Cross mission, which was a mission to determine whether there was water and other elements in the soil of the moon. They sent a this, we call it a space program, they sent a space program to orbit the moon and to look at the soil of the earth

Starting point is 00:28:46 spectrographically by like taking samples of particles that were up in the orbiting the moon in a very loosely incorporated atmosphere and it was going slowly and there was a malfunction and they realized they did not have enough fuel to finish the mission. So as they usually do in the space program, they think of, well, what else can we do with this? Turns out that it's put together in two big pieces. So they decided remotely to blow the two pieces apart and let the fuel and engine section drop to the moon like a big weight and strike the surface and when it did it would create this huge, you know, ejection of mass from the surface and one big plume. And then they would fly the spectrometer through

Starting point is 00:29:40 the plume, gather the sample all at once, and then of course send the message back to earth and then smash into the moon. Well it worked and what they discovered absolutely blew their minds. They found that the soil of that part of the moon, which was the south pole of the moon, a crater called Shackleford's crater was loaded with frozen helium three, very highly concentrated, and water, like oceans of water. Now this is a crater that never sees the sun because it's right on the south pole. The Ridge Mountains see sun, but deep in the crater, which is about as deep as

Starting point is 00:30:22 Mount Everest is high, it's loaded with stuff. So these missions started to what I call put sand in the balance, because one of the things that they noticed when they looked back at Earth is Aurora is over both poles at the same time. And that was just not their reasoning. Their reasoning was we know what causes the auroras. It's when the sun, the earth is tilted toward the sun or away from the sun. And what happens is the charged particles come from the sun, go around the planet's magnetic field, come rushing in on the pole and cause the charged particles come from the sun, go around the planet's magnetic field,

Starting point is 00:31:06 come rushing in on the pole and cause this Aurora Borealis. But here were auroras over both poles at the same time. So they hurried and put together another space program called the Themis probe, and it had five satellites loaded into a nose cone. They launched the five satellites. The five satellites went on into five different orbits and they lined up like Jacob's ladder one day and when they did they turned them all on and started to measure. And what they were measuring was a current energetic occurrences above the earth in the

Starting point is 00:31:42 ionosphere and beyond that might affect the upper atmosphere of Earth causing these arroars. Well as luck would have it, this what they call a cosmic bullet exploded out of another dimension above the earth. And when it did, the energy of course went out in all directions. It passed the two satellites going out to space, it passed the three satellites between it and the earth and when it got to the atmosphere there, there, there, there, there, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the earth, the earth, the earth, the earth, the earth, the earth, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the a the a the a the a the a the a s a s auauauauauauauauauauauauauauauauauauauauauauauauauauauauauaurauauaua tha ththe two satellites going out to space. It passed the three satellites between it and the Earth. And when it got to the atmosphere, there was the Aurora. And so they published their paper. Well, we figured out what causes the Aurora. It's cosmic bullets. One experiment. One measurement. And I wrote them and said, that does not make a conclusion.

Starting point is 00:32:25 Something is wrong here. Something else is causing a roars over both poles. And then it was Dr. Wysessions with Washington University, who published his paper discovering another ocean underneath the Atlantic ocean. What? It was the size of the Arctic ocean. And how they discovered it is they went through all these 600,000 seismograms. These are charts that are made of the Earth when we have a big earthquake. Have a big earthquake, these waves go rushing through the planet. And the other listening stations around the planet pick up those waves and draw them out on paper.

Starting point is 00:33:03 But nobody analyzed them. So they got their grad students together and paid them out on paper. But nobody analyzed them. So they got their grad students together and paid them pizza basically and got them to put all these seismograms into a computer and they modeled the vibrations that they saw and that's how they discovered this other ocean the size of the Arctic ocean underneath the crust underneath the Atlantic ocean underneath the crust, underneath the Atlantic Ocean. And so that led us to believe that there might be a vent through the crust between those two oceans. And we should go look for that vent.

Starting point is 00:33:39 So we started, in 2007, we started to put together the North Pole Inner Earth Expedition. We were going to take a ship, go up above the Arctic Circle and look for this opening in the crest. We had it narrowed down to about 10,000 square miles. We could survey it in about 15 days and that was our, that was our mission. That was what we're going to do. I mean, I'm on we're going to do. I mean, I'm on the edge of my seat, man. I'm like, so what was it? I mean, we went to Tibet and China, we went to Mexico, we went to Canada, we went to Antarctica, we went to Antarctica.

Starting point is 00:34:18 But the only thing remaining was the Arctic. And of course, the only ship that was capable of making the journey is a Russian nuclear-powered icebreaker. So 2008 the economy took a crap in the bed. Yeah. And so the economy slowly started coming back. About 2014 we tried it again to do a big fundraiser and put this money together to try to charter the ship and the politics of the day just wouldn't allow it to happen anytime you mentioned the word Russia it was like forget about it and here we are you know we're in 2022 and you can't even use the z you can't use R you you can't say nothing. So we're stuck. We're stuck. We can't get to the Arctic Circle to make these measurements we want to make.

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Starting point is 00:37:13 but you can't go there to see what's causing the sound. And it's quite frustrating. And the ocean's not easily accessible. These are the roughest ocean areas on earth. And it's 4,400 meters deep, so it's not like you could just, you know, send a bucket over the side and get a water sample. It's, it takes highly specialized equipment. This is a minimum $3.5 million expedition.

Starting point is 00:37:43 If we want to put a submersible remote on the bottom, a tethered remote, and get samples off the bottom and take pictures, it adds $5 million to it. So we're like $8.5 million. Now that's not high as far as space programs go or even as expeditions go. But we have to pull the money together the right way or we lose the franchise. Eli Musk, man, you got some cash. You just made out some money on that Twitter deal that you uh, purposely. In those days, it was a virgin. It was Branson. So we went to Branson actually. We were making a proposal, We had it outlined pretty well. We got to the last step and they said, okay, you sign these papers, it's our project. Your name isn't on it, your company's not involved.

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Starting point is 00:40:19 their scientists, we have to ask, oh look at those. The-will down. Scientists we have to ask oh look at those they're pretty well lined up down yeah 1.7 miles Stitching holes in the ground. Yeah dude. Isn't that interesting it could be an exhaust perhaps for something beneath that? Oh yeah yeah. How deep is that water? 1.7 miles is what I read.

Starting point is 00:40:39 Yowser that's like off the coast of Cuba. Noah finds weird lines of holes in mid-Atlantic floor. Scientists exploring a submerged mountain range in the mid-Atlantic thea, stumbled onto something they can't explain, an organized series of holes punched in the floor of the Atlantic Ocean. Discovery was made July 23 and photos show the dots into nearly straight lines. Yep. It's so interesting. And they have, they're not proposing an explanation. 1.7 th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th is th is thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thiolioliolioli, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, si, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thiologee, thi. thi. thiologe, si. thiologe, si. thi. Yep. It's so interesting. And they have no, they're not proposing an expulsion.

Starting point is 00:41:05 Yeah, 1.7 miles they were diving. See, we had to, we had to create some equipment. We had to develop what we call a dart because you can't communicate under water. Once you get under the water, there's no radio communication, unless you have a cable hooked to you. And so you can you you you you you you you you, so you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have you have to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the the the the the to the to the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to the to the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to you. And so you can't just send a, you know, a submersible, a bathyscaff down there remotely to do anything. It's going to record and then it's going to come back to the surface and you're going to look at the recording. So we were going to drop darts. And these darts are 10 feet long and they have, of course, fins on them.

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Starting point is 00:42:07 hours for this to make its round trip. But then we get core samples right off the bottom. And that's very important for us because what we're looking for, if there is a vent in the crust that through which these two oceans blend, then there's going to be different salinity, different crystallinity, different diatoms, different life forms that may be fossilized or dead ones collected on the bottom. It's going to be different concentration there than it is anywhere else on the planet. And if we find this, then it supports our the bottom, it's going to be different concentration there than it is anywhere else on the planet. And if we find this, then it supports our theory. If we don't find it, then it doesn't support our theory. You mentioned different salinity. Is it fresh water? Is that? Well, it doesn't matter if it's fresh or not.

Starting point is 00:42:58 It's going to be different salinity because our ocean is exposed to the air. And their ocean is exposed is the ocean is their ocean is their ocean is exposed to the air and their ocean is exposed to an inner atmosphere. I just heard that there was a, there's water under our ocean that was fresh water is why I asked that. Yeah, there's probably is. There are aquifers of fresh water. Under the ocean, that's interesting. Now, Brooks. You've talked about studying ancient cultures, ancient civilizations. Theirtheir thoughts. We've had Greg Carwood on the show, he talked about hollow earth before,

Starting point is 00:43:33 and he brought up about the belief of like, you know, just another atmosphere in the middle of the earth, animals we've never seen before. Do you have, have you done any study into what ancient cultures would say? You know, we have the whole situation where like there was a belief a giant, like asteroids hit the planet, wiping out civilization as we know it, and the Hopi Indians talking about ant people brought them into the caves to survive. Do you have any thouts on any of that? I, uh, we've, of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of of the of, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their into the caves to survive. Do you have any thoughts on any of that? We've of course collected information on that, but as I said, we're scientists,

Starting point is 00:44:12 so we're looking for samples, we're looking for measurements. I've heard all the stories and you know a fact is a direct observation. But for science we require corroborated facts, and I don't mean two witnesses. I mean, a, a, a fact is, I mean, the the thi, I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the fact, the fact, the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their, their their their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th., their th. We will th. We have th. We have th. We' th. We' th. We' th. We' th. We' th. We' th. We' th. We've that, we require corroborated facts. And I don't mean two witnesses. I mean a bone, a fingernail, a picture, something that that we can identify. And we haven't had that yet. So that's where my thinking is about. I'm totally open-minded to it. I know that these UFOs exist. I know they have to go somewhere when they're not flying around playing games with F-18 super Hornets. And they've been around forever. I'm happy about maybe three things. One is that they're there. Two is that there as present as they want to be. And three is to haven't brandished their weapons yet. Because at that advance they could they could lay waste to us and probably could have,

Starting point is 00:45:11 you know, we were not flying just about a hundred and eight years ago. Do you have any thoughts on Operation High Jump and what that represented and with, with, in, you know, relationship to our government and all that, and who might be in charge. You have any thoughts on that? Yeah, I mean, we researched that too. You know, we just got done with a global war in 1945. We have a siding of UFOs in 1947 at Roswell.

Starting point is 00:45:43 They put a force together of battle-hardened men and ships, because we just got done a year and a half before fighting a global war, and they go down to Antarctica with PBY is a seaplane on an aircraft carrier. They're well outfitted, and they go down there and they do their explorations and they end up getting into what is reported to be a skirmish with German made or at least German marked flying saucers. And of course, you know, they're flying diesel-powered prop planes. They don't stand a chance of flying along at, you know, 300 miles an hour against something they can make a left-hand turn at 10,000 miles an hour.

Starting point is 00:46:32 And they end up getting cut to pieces and limp their way home to Argentina, and that's the last we ever hear about it. Lots and lots of books written about it, lots and lots of speculation about it. But not much factual information, even though there were a lot of survivors. It was a day when government loyalty was rock solid. You didn't have whistleblowers like you have today. It was just a different age.

Starting point is 00:47:02 We don't have evidence of high jump actually occurring the way that it has been rumored to occur, the way I just described it to you. Interesting, interesting. I find that, you know, I mean, the ramifications of all that is huge. But, I mean, I don't know, UFOs, we had a guy on who talked about how like after the first nuclear bomb was dropped, you know, all of a sudden this UFO stuff started showing up and I'm like, yeah, timelines meet up. But we'll get into space programs.

Starting point is 00:47:38 What do we do, what do you think about our current space program you know I mean the talk about not going back to the moon but we can go we're going to try to go to Mars and all that stuff what do you think about the current space program well the space industry we'll call it because a program is actually has a name and has a usually equipment associated with it and a team associated with it. And we have I think 88 or 89 active space programs right now. And we have some that we're getting ready to build. So I published this book called Asteroid Mining, the Future of Energy.

Starting point is 00:48:19 And then I tried to clarify a lot of these questions, at least from the people that I know have been around this industry since before I was a teenager. And I can tell you that the rumors of a secret space program, unless they've reverse engineered some heavy alien technology. As far as I know, and all of NASA, JPL, and the private NGOs that I know of, there isn't any of that. There has been some reverse engineering, obviously, because there's some technological jumps that have been made that should not have been made, but they were made, nonetheless. And, uh, and even though we have countries that are at war, or at least in competition with one another,

Starting point is 00:49:08 to believe that they're just unified as hell about space, and they're not going to divulge anything to the people about space, it just doesn't drive with me. If we had it, we would use it. If we had it, we would use it in war. That's our nature. We would use the most superior weapon it, we would use it in war. That's our nature. We would use the most superior weapon that we have at the moment, and we would crush our enemies in hours if we could.

Starting point is 00:49:35 I can tell you that the status of the space exploration is right now that we develop cis lunar space first. This is a process of putting GPS satellites around the moon first, linking it to the moon with a moon colony so that we can navigate not only around the moon but on the moon. We will probably recover helium three. We have a system for recovering it and bringing it back to Earth. I don't really agree with it, but that's the system we have. My admonition is to build the helium fusion lab on the moon, because the two things that really make stabilizing the plasma prohibitively expensive are gravity

Starting point is 00:50:28 and air. So if you have less gravity and no air to deal with, it really lowers the cost of trying to get helium fusion. And if we get helium fusion, it solves so many problems. Three big problems that I could think of. Number one is our energy shortage because it would replace fission in all of our nuclear power plants and we would be able to make electricity so cheap you could just about give it away. You get more benefit giving it away than you would try to raise money with it. The other thing is you get helium propulsion, fusion propulsion. So you bring Mars instead of taking seven months to get there on the short end and two years on the long end, you shorten it to 70 days.

Starting point is 00:51:16 Now, 70 days is doable. You send a 200,000 pound craft to the moon in 70 days. And the home and maneuver becomes really, really broad instead of this narrow window of opportunity, you really bring Mars in close. So moon first has to be, you can't go to Mars first. It will not work. I've explained it to him a thousand times. You would spend 10 years putting enough resources on Mars so that the first humans you sent there wouldn't

Starting point is 00:51:53 die because I doubt they're coming back. Damn. Who do you think will be first to do it to make the Mars shot? Yes, I mean as far as a country goes. Well a government or a private? What do you to to make the Mars shot. Yes, I mean, as far as a country goes, a government or a private, what do you think? I think it'll be private because of the return on investment. The moon is going to yield a tremendous return on investment. Helium three, there's enough, there's enough energy in one crater on the moon to light up the earth for 10,000 years. What is the how do we harness energy out of those craters? Well right now the helium three is frozen so it's easy to work with. We have helium

Starting point is 00:52:40 three on the earth but it's kind of primordial and it only exists around volcanoes. Once it gets into the atmosphere and gets near sunlight, it converts into helium four, which is what we fill party balloons with, not much use in making energy. We need helium three. Helium three is light a neutron. And so when you fuse it together, you get extra protons, which is great, because you can do stuff with protons, you can make electricity, you can electromagnetically steer them any way you want, and they're not radioactive. Neutrons, which is what we give out of fission,

Starting point is 00:53:17 you can't do anything with it except to absorb it. You get the heat from the fission, but the neutrons are highly radioactive. We don't want them, and that's why we're th we th we're the th we're the heat from the fission, but the neutrons are highly radioactive. We don't want them, and that's why we're shutting down nuclear power plants. But fusion is different. Better energy, cleaner energy, and lots of side products that are all beneficial. So that's why we want the helium fusion. We have not achieved it yet. We've done it with deuterium and tridium and different kind of

Starting point is 00:53:45 cold fusion compounds, but nothing to really yield energy and that's why we need the helium three. And really the program called the Expanse really utilizes the concept of fusion rocketry so well. Man this is some advanced shit, right? I mean, like, it's like super advanced stuff. The moon is interesting, when you agree, like there's things about the moon that are just like, well, yeah. Doesn't make sense or anything like that?

Starting point is 00:54:19 You're like, how's this talking? The idea of building a base on the surface is ridiculous. If you build a base on the surface of the moon, everybody's going to die. As soon as the sun has a nasty hiccup, everybody on sunside is not going to survive. You have to build the base inside the moon, and the volcanic vents go back so far and they're so big, you could put New York City in one of those volcanic vents And all you have to do is just 3D print up the opening With the airlock in it and Pressurize it and you don't need a suit or anything to be on the moon you have New York City

Starting point is 00:54:59 Lit up forever well for 10 millennia and and one sixth of gravity it's a perfect working environment it's only two days from here I got a got to ask you is this looked upon look down upon in your in your industry does anybody be like oh keep it on the hush kind of like flat earth or is ever is anybody open to it well they are but here's the thing we don't get along very well on this planet and my friends at the Pentagon agree that he who controls the moon will control the earth. And right now China is very aggressively putting real estate on, you know, their ledger. It's on the far side of the moon, and we don't really know what they're doing up there.

Starting point is 00:55:52 We have some surveillance stuff, but not like what we should. And we just launched a, what's called a CubeSat. There's basically a large drink cooler with solar panels on it. And it was designed to be the precursor to the GPS satellites that were going to put around the moon. We use GPS satellites, but we use the ones around the earth, which are 250,000 miles away, and so you don't really get good resolution using them, and you don't use them at all on the far side of the moon.

Starting point is 00:56:26 So it needs its own network of GPS satellites around the moon. It takes a little while to put up there and then you have to link it to the moon. So it's got a lunar link to the GPS satellites. Once that's in place, now you can move remote equipment and you can get it on the GPS satellites. Once that's in place, now you can move remote equipment and you can get it on the surface without, you know, leaving a long skid mark in the sand like India just did. And China has done before. It's not easy to do because the gravity of the moon is very lumpy. It's not like Earth where you weigh the same where you live as you would hear. On the moon it's not that way because the form of the

Starting point is 00:57:14 moon has a lot of dense bodies inside of it like asteroids that struck the moon and are now part of the moon. The gravity is not uniform all around the planet. That's why it's tidily locked with us. The same side of the moon faces Earth all the time because that gravity, the heavy part of that moon, is locked to Earth. So there are those who are, you know, obviously we have people who come on the show, they don't believe that we've gotten past the Van Van Van Van Van Van Van Van Van Van Van Van Van Van Van Van Van Van Van,, the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, all, all, their, their, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, toea, toe.a, their, their, their, the show they don't believe that we've gotten past the Van Allen belt what's your thoughts on that? Well as as luck would have it we researched this and we found that the

Starting point is 00:57:55 Van Allen radiation belts are a barrier but they do vary in intensity. Ah interesting. And during the late 60, 68 to about 73, the Van Allen radiation belts were very quiet. And it was quite easy to shield yourself for two or three minutes as you pass through it and make it. Before that, after that, it's been quite active. Now, that being said, sun's been very quiet since 2012. Our atmosphere has thinned a lot.

Starting point is 00:58:31 That's what's causing our wide variations in weather right now. And we're getting ready to launch an Orion capsule, unmanned, but loaded with sensors. We're going to launch the Orion to the Moon, around the Moon, and then back to Earth. And then we're going to read what's on those instruments. The Orion is way more shielded than the Eagle Landers were, about 20 times as thick with more modern materials, and even some electromagnetic shielding that makes Orion far superior as far

Starting point is 00:59:07 as a travel capsule. But we're going to be building what's called the Gateway Project and the Gateway Project is going to is something that is assembled in space. It's too big for us to lift off the planet. We have to lift it in pieces and build it up there and it's going to make the International Space Station look like a toy. So it's a major, major piece and contractors are already building the components for that. When do you think, by what year do you think that they could, the moon is something? The moon is very interesting. Is there any true to that the the that they could the moon is something the moon is very interesting is there any truth to that the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the ones on the poles are quite deep, 30,000 feet deep, as opposed to the ones that face us.

Starting point is 01:00:08 The moon is much older than the earth. We believe that the moon was here in orbit before the earth ever got here. In orbit of what? In orbit around the sun? The moon is in orbit around the sun. The earth is in orbit around the sun. And we happen to be on the same orbital track. So the earth and the moon linked up.

Starting point is 01:00:33 The theory for a long, long time, because we didn't have any measurements, was that the earth captured or generated the moon. We now know that's not true. We've definitely 100% proven that's not true. The moon captured the Earth or at least the Earth caught up with the Moon in this orbit. Earth came along later. Interesting. Have you ever heard? It was not formed out of the same accretion disk even if our atmosphere, if our solar system was made from an accretion disk. And the oldest ocean floor we have,

Starting point is 01:01:12 oldest ocean floor we have is about 150 million years old. Earth is about 4.5 billion years old. So it leads us to believe that Earth has been expanding for a long time, about 150, 200 million years. And it's been a cataclysmic expansion. So what do you mean by expanding that the earth is actually still growing? Yes, the earth is still growing. Inventicimally, it is still growing. We're still watching it and observing it, but in the beginning, it expanded quite a bit. And as it expanded, the crust cracked and cooled, cracked

Starting point is 01:01:47 and cooled, cracked and cooled, and expanded. And so what's happened is it's left a space behind where the solid core, which is a iron zinon matrix, which we call an iron crystal. We know what temperature it's at, we know what matrix makes it up because we've spectrographically measured it, it's sitting by itself about you know, maybe 1500 miles in diameter, and then there's about a thousand mile gap, and then there's a 900 mile or so thick crust. And the crust has its magnetic field, and the core has its magnetic field, and they do counter-rotate, and that counter-rotation varies over a 12-year period, plus or minus six, and that is what forms our magnetosphere.

Starting point is 01:02:40 So I find the moon so interesting. It's such an enigma. There's something going on there. And there's a lot of weird what we call coincidence is that it just happens to be in the right place to shield the sun from the earth when you get right under it. You know it's the exact right distance. That when one of the eagles took off, they had just set a bunch of seismograms, or seismometers on the moon, because they wanted to start measuring the geological activity of the moon. They just set them, and the astronauts trained for like a year to learn how to set them up. So they took off, and as they took off the fuel tank and the motor bottom, the nozzle bottom of the Eagle, emptied, you know, went through all this fuel.

Starting point is 01:03:32 So they didn't want to pack that all the way back to Earth, so they jettison it and it drops back down to the surface. It doesn't have any thing left. It's just a big aluminum can with some legs on it. And when it struck the surface of the moon, the seismometers picked up the impact. Well that wasn't that strange either. They were kind of expecting that. What they did not expect is that the vibration continued for two hours. That is the most interesting part because we've done Star stories on the Moon, episodes on the Moon, and what could possibly be

Starting point is 01:04:13 behind that. What are your thoughts? I mean, is it hollow too? I mean like... We need more missions because we need to drill into the moon a good distance to find out, you know, if it's truly what we think it is. We have observed impacts and I told you about the L-Cross mission. We were looking at the moon at the moment of impact with telescopes and we got nothing. We could not get any meaningful spectrographic information because the plume only went up like, I don't know, 20,000 feet or 30,000 feet, something like that, but from 250,000 miles away, that's, you know, not very much.

Starting point is 01:04:56 We just, we just didn't have the epoom. We didn't have the equipment to be able to look at it that closely. So we believe that the moon is primarily titanium and aluminum, which is kind of interesting. The earth is basically nickel and iron. We're not the same composition at all. But we know how much the moon weighs. We know how dense it is based on its diameter. And it's, it's placement around the moon weighs, we know how dense it is based on its diameter and its placement around the earth and we know how much the earth weighs based on its movement

Starting point is 01:05:32 around the sun. But when we take measurements, accurate measurements, of the earth to the moon, which we do all the time, because we left a reflector up on the surface of the moon, we shoot lasers at it all the time to see if the moon's moving and it is slightly away from the earth very slightly like a half an inch a year or something. But we also know that the distance of the earth to go around the the sun, but the distance the to the the the the the the theyn't the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tooooooo too to to to to to the too to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the moon the moon the moon the moon the moon the moon the the moon the moon the the moon. the the the the moon. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to go around the Sun, it should have a different orbit by about 1,200 kilometers, but it doesn't, unless it's hollow. It's so interesting, man. You talked about some of your equipment didn't have enough resolution. What do you think about the theory about NASA losing all that equipment on the way back on the reason why we can't go back to the moon.

Starting point is 01:06:25 I don't know about the reasons. I mean, all the guys I know or new have retired. One owns his own satellite, the other one's a consultant and he helps other companies get contracts with NASA. But NASA is not a, it's not a space agency. It's just a big bank, you know, a federal bank. And all they do is decide what space programs they're going to invest in. And that's very political. Unless you really go up there and make a, you know, a defense case, they're not going

Starting point is 01:06:58 to give you any money. But JPL, you know, they're designers. They're mostly young people, planetoid mines, which recently got bought up by another company, and there's all kinds of acquisitions and mergers going on underneath the surface. You don't even know about, you don't read about, but there's probably four or five hundred companies that supply space X and supply JPL and supply grooming and you know all the companies that make components that go into space. And it is, it is, it lacks a lot of money and we're thinking about it all wrong because

Starting point is 01:07:37 it's, it's not something that can be done nationally. It just can't. It has to be done as a planet. So, I see that you're wearing a Space Force hat and obviously that was big news. A couple years ago, the formation of Space Force. What, there's this whole belief. Some people think it's about battling aliens, but other people believe it's about, you know, once again, human conflict but in space in our atmosphere. What is your whole

Starting point is 01:08:12 take on Space Force and what it represents? There are actually four aspects to it. I have three chapters on it and the aspects are this. As I said, there's a lot of acquisitions and mergers going on with equipment that's being put up. GPS satellites, internet satellites, communication satellites, and their get the satellites are getting smaller and they're getting more uniform and they're using Linux and a lot of open source stuff to build them, you know, and make them work. They're using, you know, Arduino stuff and they're using, you know, generic circuitry.

Starting point is 01:08:54 The number one issue that the reason the Space Force was built or put together was driven by a team of generals, some of whom I met with in Fort Bragg, who are very concerned about cybersecurity. And so Space Force was built to try to, because if you make everything encrypted, then you can't incorporate somebody else's satellite into your system. So like if Starlink buys up the other internet company that would broke, they won't be able to assimilate their satellites because they all run on different software, but they don't. They all run on the same software. So Space Force was put in place to prevent cyber piracy.

Starting point is 01:09:43 Cyberpiracy is a big, huge, multi-trillion dollar deal. Because if China or Russia or some rogue player could take control of some satellites or a satellite or anything in space and turn it into a wrecking ball, it would, it would, millions of people would die because we now rely on those satellite links to run. So that's the primary purpose. The second was to give an overall space superiority so that it protects satellites against physical attack, but also protects the Earth. So the space force is primarily to govern that system,

Starting point is 01:10:33 so that as space becomes weaponized, and it already is, but in a small way, as it becomes weaponized, it becomes, basically friendly to the United States. We don't want war in space any more than anybody does, but if we do have war, we want to win. And that's why space forces put in place. The third is for beyond the Earth into what we call cislunar space. And I think there's a consensus that we're not alone.

Starting point is 01:11:07 And so if some other foreign player that's already here or may arrive at a later time, wants to take us on, we need to be able to maneuver and fight in space. And so about 30% of the graduates of the Air Force Academy are going into Space Force. It's not a small deal. It's a big deal. It's a big. It's, it's a the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. It's a th. It's a th. It's a th. th. th. It's a the th. th. th. the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the the the the the their their their their their their th. % of the graduates of the Air Force Academy are going into Space Force. It's not a small deal, it's a big deal. Pilots and fuelers and medicine is completely different in zero gravity. All that has to be trained.

Starting point is 01:11:40 Oh yeah, it's all different in zero gravity. You don't clot the same, you don't bleed the same. It's, it's, and I don't even want to tell you the experiments that have been done at zero gravity to learn those things, but the animals suffered. Let me tell you. And the fifth. Johnny's farm. Go on. The fourth reason is to create some kind of unity or unity of purpose for the Earth itself as we go forward to other planets to Mars and to that. Because the last thing we want is, you know, two ships racing to Mars for some, you know, treasure of, well, for instance, we've identified an asteroid that has so much platinum as part of its makeup that if it were hauled back to Earth, it would totally destroy

Starting point is 01:12:33 our economy. I mean, money would be meaningless. It's worth something like, I don't know, $800 trillion just by itself. It would be, it would just take all the rarity of that away. But the good news is that asteroids like that can be lowered to Mars and can be used quite effectively to make industry on Mars. But here's the deal. And it's going to happen because we've already seen it, or foreseen it, I guess. If a woman gets pregnant on Mars, that child is a Martian. It is never coming back to her.

Starting point is 01:13:11 Really? Never? They won't let it back? It can't. It's a seven-month trip. By the time that baby returns here, it will not be able to stand up on our planet. I never thought about that. What's a gender? Well, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, is a that, is a that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is that, is is that, is that, is that, is that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii that that that that that thi th never thought about that. What's a gender? Well on Mars they have four billion genders. Okay so that I didn't know that so have you

Starting point is 01:13:37 ever heard that I want to get into the national and world conflicts because I'd love to hear your take on all this but what's going on with everything right now and but have you ever heard the the theory? Well, have you ever heard the the theory? Well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, the the the the the th, well, well, well, well, well, well, the, the, the, the, well, well, the, well, well, the, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, the, the, the, the, they, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, they, they, they, they, they, they, well, they, well, they, well, well, well, they, well, they, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the but what's going on with everything right now but have you ever heard the theory that space is liquid have you ever heard that? Well we used to think it was ether that there was a theory that the speed of light was not constant that if you shot the speed of light or shot a laser perpendicular to Earth's orbit or with Earth's orbit that light would actually be traveling at different speeds. And Einstein's special theory of relativity put that to rest, said no, light's going to run at its given speed, and then the bodies relative to that will change, and

Starting point is 01:14:25 that's where the Doppler effects come in. We go by it right now. We use it as a Bible because we've done so many empirical measurements that have proven that that that is, in fact, the case. That light is the speed limit of the universe for at least photons. Things like gravity, however, and electromagnetism move much faster than that. We can't even measure how fast. And so there are aspects of what we call the standard model.

Starting point is 01:14:58 The standard model is like a matrix mathematics, and we have formulas that we work with and we don't like answers like infinity or zero so we put constants and fudge factors into the standard model to give us answers that we think makes sense to us. But that being said, we're pretty sure that other things in the universe go faster than the speed of light. Oh, snap. We haven't, we know for instance that spooky action at a distance is instantaneous, relatively speaking, it's subspace somehow. We know the gravity, because we've done this thought experiment gazillions of times and it comes out the same

Starting point is 01:15:44 every time. But when it comes to light, when it comes to light, experiment gazillions of times and it comes out the same every time. But when it comes to light, when it comes to photons of light, that wave particle duality, it's pretty much on the money. Spooky action is my favorite term of 2022, by the way. So we live in the world right now with a lot of conflict, between governments, between political ideas, podcast hosts, podcast hosts, chaos on YouTube, all sorts of stuff. It just seems like it's everywhere all the time. What are your thoughts on that?

Starting point is 01:16:22 There's really only two forces. Like there's really only two parties. They're patriots and traders. That's all there is to it. Right on. Forget about Republicans and Democrats. That's totally irrelevant. What's going on in the world right now?

Starting point is 01:16:37 What we're witnessing right now is a battle between what I call a global syndicate. I wrote four books about this. The global syndicate is ancient. It's been, has has has has has has has th since, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, thio, thia, thiates, thia, the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thi. T. T. T.a, thi.a, thi.a, thea' only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only threa'a'er syndicate is ancient, has been around since, you know, before Rome. It is a force that is led by a timeless entity. Could be a nephalam, I'm not sure. Oh man, now we're in it. Scientists, they got we got real people saying nephalum now? Yeah, I know it's I'm serious we have enough evidence to know that these, at least a few of these fellows are still around. Because we look at the continuity of thought and we study what's called philology. Philology is a study of the formation of language.

Starting point is 01:17:19 And we see this continuity of philology going back six, seven, thousand years. That's not possible. Not possible. If we were individuals doing it, there would be subtle differences in the language, and there aren't. It's the same being. So now what's going on is, some people, significant numbers of people have awakened and realized that somebody's

Starting point is 01:17:46 trying to take over the world. So this being is trying to take over the world. Why is the big reason? Because it's not our bodies that they want. They don't care anything about wiping our butts. They don't care anything about feeding us or whether we have health care or education. None of that. The only thing they care about is our souls.

Starting point is 01:18:05 That's the value, because we are a different being than they are. They have extremely long lifespans. We have short lifespans, but many of them. And we grow. And our trajectory of growth is to become literally like the creator himself. We are children of the creator. And the rage against that is universal.

Starting point is 01:18:32 So that's the war we're fighting. And right now, there are three main forces on the earth that are fighting it out. We have the CCP, which is the Chinese Communist Party. We have Russia, which is a very ancient race, and we have the United States, which has already fallen. The United States already been taken over. It can be gotten back, but right now it's in total possession of the global syndicate.

Starting point is 01:19:01 They run it. So there's a proxy war going on right now using Russia and of course the people of Ukraine against us, against the middle class of the United States. It's designed to destroy us. It's not hurting Russia. It is not hurting them at all. It is designed to choke us to death like they did in 1928. And they're very close to doing it. They're very close to doing it. I think this is fascinating everything you're saying right now,

Starting point is 01:19:36 and it is something that I believe in. You know, there are a bunch of people out there, and I don't think there's as many as them, and many of them as we are led to to to to to to the their they are they are they are they are led to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to 't think there's as many as them, many of them as we are led to believe, but there's a small group of well-funded, and I must say it, I call them American ISIS, okay, because there are radicals that are well-funded to disrupt and destroy from the inside and that causes chaos. And a lot of them are what Malcolm X talked about, Unabomber talked about, does Sam speak and nobody else? But they talked about this very rich class that is very dangerous.

Starting point is 01:20:18 And you have these people, and we're seeing it happen in California in real time. We have these politicians who keep getting voted in by this upper class who has money to basically insulate them from their voting policies. And they can vote idealistically because they're never going to feel it. And now we have people in Beverly Hills going, the crime is everywhere. Well, yeah, it's always been everywhere. It's finally they've gotten the balls to go into your neighborhood. And now you're dealing with the problem

Starting point is 01:20:53 that your voting has caused. And it's happened in San Francisco and happened in LA. And it's starting to trickle down into Orange County in San Diego. And these are policies that are being put, we are seeing in New York City these policies. So it's being done through the inside. Some people call cultural Marxism. It's now been rebranded as environmental social governance and it's being done purposely. And it's being done purposely.

Starting point is 01:21:21 You cannot go, like what happened with the Bolshevik revolution. You have to destroy with the Bolshevik revolution. You cannot go to Russia with an army. You have to destroy it from the inside. And that is what's happening. So as you talk, as a scientist, you've gotten a little bit spiritual there. What are your thoughts on everything? Is this a spiritual war? Are we in a spiritual war for our souls right now?

Starting point is 01:21:42 Well, you brought up a very good point, so let me qualify it just a little bit here. When as scientists, we look at the universe, boil it down to four basic forces. Okay, we have gravity, we have electromagnetism, we have the strong, weak molecular forces. That's the ruler by which we have measured our universe. But what we realize is we keep coming up short. We keep having unanswered questions,

Starting point is 01:22:10 unanswered correlations between the very small, the quantum, and the very large, the macro or planets and solar systems and galaxies, et cetera. There's a lot of missing pieces. So we've made up some stuff. We made up dark dark energy and dark matter out of out of whole cloth and some things we understand, some things we don't understand. And we realized, and my colleagues are coming around to this now, Ahmed Goswami was probably one of the very first guys to scientifically really, with his credibility, he now is emeritus, to say things like this. But we now realize that consciousness is a force in the universe. And very recently, like in the last two or three years, we have resolved that consciousness

Starting point is 01:23:03 is actually the primary causative or downward causative force that makes the other forces real. And we have a hard time with this because we can't measure consciousness, we can't weigh it, we can't determine its resistance or its voltage or anything like that, but we can see the results of it. And so this brings us to the results of, but we can see the results of it. And so this brings us to the results of what's going on on the planet right now and why it is so important. The sovereignty of the human soul is the most valuable thing in the universe.

Starting point is 01:23:41 That the energy that we put off, and I'm not talking about heat or anything like that, I'm talking about a quanta of energy called glory. It's hard for people to understand, it's hard for me to understand sometimes, but glory's a very valuable thing in the universe, and we're the ones with it. We can give it to whomever or whatever we want to. God wants it and so does Lucifer. They want it. It's valuable to them. And when we glorify them, they can do immensely powerful things. Like, for instance, you say these organizations are very well funded. From what? They make money. They create it with, they just stir a wand and

Starting point is 01:24:25 there's money. We don't know where it comes from. Probably comes from drug trafficking, human trafficking as at its core, but money is money is meaningless. Money is just a dust. The real value is us. We're the real value on the earth. People. Live mortal people. We're the real value on the earth. People. Live mortal people. We are the value. Gold is rare, yes, but what we do with our minds and with our hands, that's the real value. And that's what they want to control over. So and there are countries that have said we're not going to be controlled. And Russia is one of them. And Russia Russia's as I said a very ancient

Starting point is 01:25:07 Nothing you can do can harm them and They're laughing at all this my friends in Russia are rich as hell right now Because oil which is their main export about 60% of their economies based on it They're making money like they've never made money before and they're not doing what the CCP did. They're not building ghost cities. They're making money like they've never made money before and they're not doing what the CCP did. They're not building ghost cities with the money. They're making their people rich and the people love it. You're a very interesting man Brooks because I love having this conversation with you because it's but you blend the spiritual with the, because I love having this conversation with you because

Starting point is 01:25:45 it's, you blend the spiritual with the science and I think that's very important. I don't think they can be separated to tell you the truth. And if you do separate it, you become an idiot. I totally agree. And there's, I like the glory thing is very interesting to me. So I'm going to ask you a question a question a question a question a question a forever, but what is ether? Well the ether was sort of a mist or a a mass fog of the universe and it was it was the original thought was everything was kind of hung in it. And then we got away from that we said no, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was,thought was that everything was kind of hung in it.

Starting point is 01:26:27 And then we got away from that. We said, nope, the emptiness of space and all that. But we realize that gravity does not have the force to stretch across the expanse of space. It just doesn't. We know the math of gravity. It decreases with the square of the distance and these distances are just too immense for gravity to be involved. And yet, galaxies and super clusters of galaxies are in fact revolving around it. We have a binary star ourselves

Starting point is 01:27:01 in serious. It's a long ways from here, but it's been in the same place for 11,500 years. How could we possibly be orbiting around Sirius? Unless there was an electromagnetic component to the universe, an electric universe? That supersedes the idea of an ether in space, but that's why we had to have the idea, because we could see the motion of planets, and it didn't make sense to us. It's so interesting. It's just such a complex thing. I try to think about it, just my brain can't wrap around it. And it's just like... What is out there is so much more complex, and what out there is so much more complex and

Starting point is 01:27:46 what the world is so much more complex and it's it's very very interesting it's very interesting so well the final question is Russia I've always you know there's talks about Tataria there's talks about tota there's talks about you know Kazaria and all this stuff and uh what Tataria represent what Russia? what the tartar, I've always I've the I I I I I I I I I've the the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world is the world is the world the world the world the world is I've the world the world the world the world the world the world is the world is the world is the world is the world is the world is the world is I I the world is I I I I I I the world is I I the world is I the world is I th is th is the world is the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world. I've tap. I've tape. I've tape. I've tape. I've tape. I've tell. I've tell. I've the world. I've the world. I've thes about you know, Kazearia and all this stuff and what Tatar represent, what Russia represents a very, it's why this global sector you talk about that's kind of been running the United States into a ground why they love China but they hate Russia. What is that about and like what Russia represents?

Starting point is 01:28:25 And you see a lot of people thinking about a lot of stuff going on. I too believe it's red scare stuff. Russia's hack in the election. Russia's causing all this gas prices and I don't think people are buying into it anymore. No. We have revolutions in America. That's why, that's how we were established. But our revolutions take place at the ballot box. We've always tried to get as informed as we can. We go to the ballot box and we revolt. Right? We vote for somebody else.

Starting point is 01:28:57 We fire the people that are in office and we choose somebody else. But when Americans lose faith in their election system, like they go to vote and the vote doesn't count or somebody changes it or somebody dumps a bunch of counterfeit boats in the system, then then the revolution gets serious. It takes on a different form and I think we're at the point now where the more part of the people they're saying, wait a minute, I don't think they cheated in 2020. I think they cheated in 2016 and 2012 and 2004 and 2000, I think they've been cheating for a long time. I agree with that. I think what happened this time is they wanted to win no matter what, so they took the bus to the finish line.

Starting point is 01:29:46 And then they got the, there's four aspects to the global syndicate before I get away from it. The first and biggest one, and most powerful one today is the global media empire. You and I, we're not part of that. We are, you and me and others like us. We are the mainstream media. We are the mainstream. The fake stream news is owned by the global media empire. That's six rich white guys and

Starting point is 01:30:13 three media giants. That's it. That's all the global syndicate in as far as the media goes. Then you got a military political and a financial division of the global syndicate, the World Economic Forum, the CCP, and of course what I call the establishment party in the United States, which is all the Democrats and a good portion of the Republicans to boot. And once people become aware of that, it's sort of like they put the sunglasses on for the the first time and they see all the zombies for who they really are.

Starting point is 01:30:48 Now you know what to do. Now you know what to do. You know how to go and vote. What we have to do in the next, well, five weeks. Five weeks, the election system so they can't cheat. It just has to be done. And do you see them making, I think, because again, this is a conspiracy podcast proudly, and I get a lot of information about all these things that like states like Arizona,

Starting point is 01:31:18 Georgia, all these states are doing, but it's never talked about on a national level because, again, what you're talking about is they don't want anybody to know this stuff is happening. Yeah well let's get three things straight right away. There are no such thing as blue states. That is it that's totally fake. There are blue cities but there are not blue states. I agree with that I think California's that that being I think California's that. That being said, LA is California, Chicago is Illinois, Atlanta is Georgia. It's just the way it is because of the way

Starting point is 01:31:53 the population lays. Inside a state, you have a democracy. There is no federal election. No such thing. It doesn't exist. You only have state elections. And then what they do is they contribute representatives to a federal electoral college and then that's tallied. There is no federal election. The federal

Starting point is 01:32:17 government does not run elections. It's all run by states. Right now there are 27 Republican states. There are 20 Democrat states, and there are three that are hard to tell. And really, there are no blue states, only blue cities. So what these states have to do is figure out, because there's biggest countries now, they need to figure out a way to do an electoral college inside their state. I met with the senators of Arizona and Nevada a year ago, and we discussed this. They're aware of it. They know about it, but there are forces that are unbelievable, that are working underneath the scenes. I mean, deadly forces. And I don't know why they can't get a try to get a threaten. that are unbelievable, that are working underneath the scenes.

Starting point is 01:33:05 I mean, deadly forces. And I don't know why they can't get a hold of them. The good news is that Arizona is going to use what's called the tamper-proof ballot paper. And they have actually made trips to all the other 49 states to ask them to use this same paper company. That way there can't be any counterfeit ballots. No more ballots are us. to ask them to use this same paper company. That way, there can't be any counterfeit ballots. No more ballots are us, dropping ballots at 3 o'clock in the morning into the counting system.

Starting point is 01:33:34 That can't happen. An audit will find those papers and can come out. I don't know if they're being successful doing that. And I've talked to Mark Bernevich, and I've talked to, you know, I can't the, I can't the their their their their their their their their, I can't their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, together, together, together, together, together, together, together, together, together, together, together, together, together, together, together, together, together, successful doing that. And I've talked to Mark Bernevich and I've talked to, you know, I can't remember the name of the senators in Nevada in Arizona, but I've spoken to them face-to-face like two feet away from their face, shaking hands over it. And they're afraid, they're afraid of this whole thing. Something has got them scared for their lives. I think it's literally scared for their lives. That's what it is. I mean, this is the game and it's just gonna,

Starting point is 01:34:11 I mean, revolution is coming. It's either gonna be peaceful or it's gonna be violent. I think people, and a big, you know, you look at the rest. Yeah. You think it's just straight LA versus Texas type of thing? No, well, no, I don't. I don't. I don't know. Maybe. I think, I don't think, I don't think there's enough on the progressive left to make it at all a war. I think, you know, what Brooks is talking about is like, yeah, I don't think there's a lot super progressive. They're just well funded and through things like Twitter and Facebook they get promoted to the front so everyone thinks they're really big. Cancell culture is a lie. It's corporations trying to make this small group

Starting point is 01:34:53 of people come off as powerful when they're not at all. And the examples that Joe Rogin if Spotify would have canceled Joe Rogan that everyone be like cancel culture is real but didn't, because they understand he's the most powerful person and talking, go on. Don't you think, though, that there is a large group that is easily whipped up into a frenzy by the left? I don't think there's big. Like, those groups that burned our city burn.

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Starting point is 01:35:37 But like I was talking the time too, right? That's right. That's right. Because the police are told to stay home, and the firefighters are told just let it burn to the ground. And you've got people like Kamala Harris and others saying, yeah, go out there and do your thing and we'll bail you out as if you get arrested, we'll bailed you'll to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the to see that on the news. But I agree, I agree with Johnny that we need to put, the people that we had in Washington, D.C. on January 6th,

Starting point is 01:36:14 we need to put those in our cities. And we need to watch our elections like a hawk. I think people are waking up to it. I think there's a lot of people who don't want to believe that it could be rigged that that that that that th..... that that that that that that that that that to be rigied that that that that that that that that to be that that that to be that that that to be that that that that that that to be that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that to be. to it. I think there's a lot of people who don't want to believe that it could be rigged that much. It's very interesting. And I think people who, and I agree with you, it's Democrats and Republicans, but I also look at it as like, I just call it the George Bush death cult. It's like this group of that covers both right and left, ours and D's, and they all just, and it, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it's, and it's just, and it's just, and it's just, and it's just, and it's just, and it's, and it, and it's just, and it's, and it's, and it's, and it's, and it's, and it, and it, and it, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it, and it's, and it's, and it's, and it's, and it's, and it's the, and it's the, and it's just, and it's just, and it's just, and it's just, and it's just, and it left, ours and D's, and they all just,

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Starting point is 01:38:13 It just animal when it's cornered and it looks like it's gonna have to fight for its life gets really nasty Well, we're just trying to have patience and we're saying, okay, we'll get you in November. But, you know, if, if for instance, the Democrats don't lose 70 seats, but they gain 10 seats, there's going to be a revolt. Absolutely. It's not going to work. I mean, I fear for the country if that happens. These states and the state legislatures and the people in the states have to get control of their election system. They have to. Well, I have real faith when I see like San Francisco, you know, kick out their DA, kick out their DA, kick out the most extremes on their school board.

Starting point is 01:39:02 I mean, that's San Francisco. I think LA and New York will be the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the state the state. the the state. thea. the state. the state. thea. the the the the the the the people. the people. the people. their their their the state. the state. the state. the state. the state. the state. the state. the state. the state. the state. the state. the state. the state. the state. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I.c. I.c. I.c.c. th.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e.e............................... I mean, that's San Francisco. I think LA and New York will be the last ones because they have these industries that allow rich kids to stay rich and not feel. But it's coming, dude. It's coming. And the rest of the country is not relating to what these two cities are doing. I mean, I'm being honest with you man, on to hear is like I've been doing stand up lately.. The crowds in LA are the worst I've seen them in 25 years. Oh really? Like how? They don't get sarcasm. Everything's literal and anything that is at all provocative is seen as offensive and they shut down, they laugh at simple like it is America's Got Talent crowd.

Starting point is 01:39:45 That's who we're entertaining right now. American Idol, America's Got Talent, whatever crap is on True TV, right? That's what they're laughing at. And nothing's provocative anymore and the comics don't want to push it with them, they just want to feed into it and it's just this cycle of a snake eating its tail. Those people left, those people left. All the out laws they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're tha tha. they're they're tha tha. tha. tha. tha. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. th. th. th. th. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're tha. tha. tha. that. that. that. their their their their their their their their that. their their thatea. that. their tha eating its tail. Those people left, those people left California. All the outlaws are gone. They left, gone. And I think people are waking up to it and I just, I refuse, I refuse to coutout to the stupid. I just won't do it anymore in this show and people like you, Brooks are like why people gravitate to this show and even though we're not I'm not allowed on any of the other guys big podcast to promote myself

Starting point is 01:40:28 My YouTube channel has been shadow band this show continues to grow People still love it and find it because it is food for your brain and food for your thoughts and your soul And that's what it is so Brooks I appreciate you coming on my show today. It was a wonderful conversation. I thoroughly had enjoyed it. Can you one more time tell our listeners where they can find you and promote any books you want to be promoted? Sure. Well, the books are easy to find on Amazon just put my name in. I'm trying to push the birth trilogy right now. We're trying to convert thatthe birth trilogy right now. We're trying to convert that into a TV series. So we're pitching that right now. Any help you can give would be most appreciated. My website is Brooks Agnew, all one word

Starting point is 01:41:13 Brooks Agnew.com, go there. Everything I'm doing, everything I write. My radio program is linked there. All my books are linked there, my philosophy. If you want to learn about me th. That th. That th. T, th. T. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, their, their, their, th. th. their, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho, tho, thi, tho, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. Any, the th. th. the the th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. t. toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. today today the. the. the. the. my books are linked there, my philosophy. If you want to learn about me, that's the place to go. All right, appreciate you coming on a show. It's a wonderful conversation. I'd love to talk to you more down the line about your on the economy, your free trade, all that stuff because I aligned right up with you. I think the big lie was that we had to send them away. So they could afford the make stuff, you're like, nope, that's just a big BS. I mean, in the 80s everybody was making money. What are we talking about here? Stop acting like that. You mean, in 2019 we were all looking

Starting point is 01:41:56 forward to the roaring 20s because they were going to be the roaring 20s. Everybody was making money. I was looking forward to it. Yeah, I mean, dude, we have a guy who's sending out our oil to other countries purposefully, okay? And I know that word isn't real and I just make that up, but that is my word. And I'm gonna be honest with you, that's what's happening. And I think people are waking up to it today. So once again, Brooks, thanks, tha, thi for than, than, than, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks, thi. tho, thanks. thanks. tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. than. than. thanks, thanks, thanks, to. to. to. to. to. to. to. toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. too Brooks, thanks for coming on. We look forward to talking to you again. And hey, hope to see you guys in San Francisco. Hope to see you at the next comedy chaos. Go Sam Triply.com for all of your, all the tickets is my live shows. And I'm starting

Starting point is 01:42:34 to put together a road show. So look out to him. I'm coming to a home, boy. Aaron, open your mind. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. There, you just move my mind. Tim foil.

Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #593: Hollow Earth And The Anomalies Of The Moon With Brooks Agnew

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