Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #622: The Bolshevik Revolution Of America With Richard Spence

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Starting point is 00:03:02 It's with Richard Spence, and it's a great conversation. Enjoy. We go deep home, boy. Dude, open your mind. Drink, all right, all right. Let's get into it. Very excited to have this next guest back. He appeared a while ago, and it's good that he's back. He is a retired professor of history at the University

Starting point is 00:03:26 of Idaho. Please welcome Richard Spence. How are you, Richard? Welcome back. I'm doing well. I'm glad to be back. It's honored and a privilege. You know you guys are going through something over there in Idaho, so sending love to the families and sad days, sad days. It's a kind of strange time here. Murders don't happen a lot in a small college town in to the the to to to to to their to to to to to their to to their to to their to their to their their their their their their their their their their their th. Richard Scichichichichich. Richard Richard Richard S their their their their their Richard Richard Richard Richard Richard Richard Richard Richard Richard Richard S their Richard Richard Richard Richard Richard Richard Richard Richard their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their ch. Richard Richard Richard, Richard, Richard, Richard, Richard, Richard, Richard, their their their their their their their their their their to th. th. th. Richard s c. tho. tho. Richard S th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Richard Sc-S thi thi. Richard Sc-S thi. Richard Sc-S their thi. Richard S kind of strange time here. Murders don't happen a lot in a small college town in the Northwest, but this one's, you know, multiple homicide. That's the way it's being presented. And other than that, we really don't know much about it. Do they have any clue who might have done it yet?

Starting point is 00:04:03 To the best of my knowledge, absolutely not. There's been no no mention, other than the fact that none of the four people who were killed did it. In other words, it's not a murder suicide. Right, right. Got you. So I don't know. We're going to have to wait around and see what happens as I say. Well, thoughts and prayers can go out to the family. So Richard, for those who may not be familiar with your last appearance of the show, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and if you have a website or any social media you'd like people to know about? Okay. I'm not a big social media fan. I'm with you. But I do have a LinkedIn page if you can contact me that way. Or you guys still have a personal page. I'm the their. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their last. I'm the last. I'm the last. I the last. I'm the last. I'm last. I'm last. I'm last. I'm last. I'm last. I'm last. I'm last. I'm the last. I the last. I the last. I the last. I the last. I the last. I the last. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I the last. I the last. I'm. I'm a the last. I'm a the last. I'm a the last. I'm the the the th. I'm the last. I'm th. I'm the last. I'm the last. I'm the last. I'm the last. I'm the last. I'm the last. I'm the last. contact me that way. Or I still have a personal page

Starting point is 00:04:48 and that I'm retired from the University of Idaho, but if you go to the Department of History, you can find information, you know, contact information. So if you have something nice and friendly to say, you can do that. If you want to say something mean, you can not do that. If you want to say something mean, you can not do that. Yeah. I'm with you. You can you can you can find me that way. So what are the things I'm supposed to pitch? The main thing I would want to pitch today in terms of, you know, shameless self promotion is that I do some work for something

Starting point is 00:05:18 called the great courses. And they put on a variety of sort of video courses. Basically video programs and a huge array of subjects. You should really check that out. If you're interested, but the one that just came out, just about a week ago is called Secrets of the Occult, which is 24 episodes on Secrets of the Accult. So if you're interested in that, you might want to go to the One Dream site and take a look at it. There's also a preview out on YouTube. And other things I've done for them include the real history of secret societies.

Starting point is 00:05:52 I've done another course or series called Crimes of the Century, selective history of infamy, which is about, well, you know, historical murders. And I'm in a couple of other one dream shows, one called The Secrets of Espionage and another one on True Prime. And that's in my books. Well, let's see, the one's probably the most relevant to today is Wall Street and Russian Revolution. I've also done a biography of a spy known as Sidney Riley, which is called Trust No One. And probably the thing that I'm, you know, better for worse, I'm best known for is a book

Starting point is 00:06:33 called Secret Agent 666, Alistair Crowley, British Intelligence and the Occult, which is about Alistair Pralier British intelligence and the occult. Well, you know, this is... So that's kind of a plug. I also have a book, the first. The first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, the first, th. T. Trust, thrust, thrust, thrust, thrust, thrust, thrust, thrust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, true, true, true, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust trust, trust trust trusts trusts trusts is trusts trusts trusts, trusts, trusts, trusts, trusts, trusts, trusts, trusts, trusts, trusts, trusts. Well, you know, this is... So that's kind of a plug. I also have a book. The first book I ever did was call Boris Savankov renegade on the left, which was about an obscure but not unimportant Russian revolutionary. But that is now totally out of print.

Starting point is 00:06:59 So, and if you can find a copy, it's more than I can afford. So there you go. So you can't even forge your own book? Well I could afford it, but I don't want to pay that much for it. Respect. I mean, considering that that's a book which I made, how much did I make on that? Oh, nothing. That's how much I made. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. So, well, you know, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I thi. I th. I could. I could. Well, I could. Well, I could. Well, I th. Well, I th. Well, I th. Well, I th. Well, I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. thi. thi. I thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tha. tha. tha. tha. thooooooooooooo. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha just do it for the love of it and to prove to your superiors that you're actually doing

Starting point is 00:07:27 something useful. This show and this topic and you talking about the secrets of the occult and all that stuff really resonates with me right now because once again, I'm being sucked in to everything. And I'm just feel like I'm fighting windmills. but at the same time, I think there's a silent Bolshevik revolution going on in the United States as we speak from many different fronts, well funded by very powerful investment firms that want to get to a place where corporations control everything. And they're funding all of this chaos.

Starting point is 00:08:16 They're rigging our elections and they're doing all this stuff. And I keep waiting for people to wake up to it. And every time I think we're almost there, I get denied again. And this latest election, it's really heartbreaking the watch because a bunch of people that I very much love, that I respect a lot, have zero clue of what is going on. And maybe I'm wrong. What is your thoughts on just the modern day? And we'll get into, because you have a couple of things you want to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get the the to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, get thi, get denied thi, get denied thi, get denied thi, get denied thi.. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi maybe I'm wrong. What is your thoughts on just the modern day?

Starting point is 00:08:46 And we'll get into it because you have a couple of things you wanted to talk about, but what do you see going on in the United States right now? Well, that's a huge question. What do I see? Well, here again, I'm placed in the position of, you know, historians are continually asked about what's going, usually we're asked about what's going to happen next. So we're supposed to distill the tea leaves of the past to tell you what's going to happen in the future. And, you know, that's a very inexact, inexact science.

Starting point is 00:09:20 You know, if you were to ask me in a broad term what I see going on in the US now, and I don't say this from a happy place, but I see the general breakdown of a society. I mean, things just aren't working well, are they? I mean, on every sort of front. And I'll give you what seems to be a kind of petty example, but if it's what's on my mind, um, I'm a dog owner, you know, a dog owner. I have, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, a kind of petty example, but it's what's on my mind. I'm a dog owner, I have dogs, and they like a particular type of food, which for some reason, the local supermarkets, even though they had it all the time before our pandemic adventure. Now, it's just sort of like, it's just not there.

Starting point is 00:10:05 And it's like, well, there's a shortage. A shortage of what? Isn't the shortage to make dog food? I mean, what would be sure that wasn't before? And, you know, someone could probably give me a perfectly logical explanation of that, but there just seems to be a lot of the random shortages of things. You know, something else that I found short around here for a while was mayonnaise. I'm not short on mayonnaise. Really? Why would there be less of it now that there would have been otherwise?

Starting point is 00:10:42 Excuse me. But so I find all of those type of things. I know, I observe that there's a a general breakdown or there's some problem overall in supply and production, but probably more so in distribution. There are shortages where there didn't used to be shortages. There's also, as we've all noticed, inflation, everything is getting more expensive. At the same time, generally our incomes are not increasing. There's also, as we've all, inflation, everything is getting more expensive. At the same time, generally, our incomes are not increasing. And there's just a, you know, there's a great deal of fear and paranoia. You know, everybody seems to be afraid of everybody else. I agree with a lot of that. You've, you've talked about how there is a shortage of a lot of stuff, but what I find amazing is how there's not a shortage of certain stuff. Like liquor in

Starting point is 00:11:32 the liquor store. There seems to be able to be able to get all that liquor to you. You know, fentanyl seems to be everywhere. I love weed. There was never any shortage of weed, dude. I'll be honest with you. Not once. It's kind of crazy, right? How like certain things are everywhere and there is no supply chain issues with these things. But yet, these other things, we can't get them anywhere at all. And- The baby formula. How did that? But I mean like I had friends mine like yeah, it's kind of crazy, but

Starting point is 00:12:06 So much of that also is just like just heightening your state of anxiety man. You know, I think you're right that that what are the things that you've got as a? Well, look, all you have to do is look at the headline. So one of the things that you know and easy thing you can go to go look at the the the the the the the th th th th. th. th. th. th. the th. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well, the th. Well, th. Well, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. thi. the. the. the. the. thi. the. th. th. the. th. th. th one of the things that, you know, and easy thing you can go to is go look at drudge report. And I'm not pitching drudge report, but I just say if you want to look at, you know, all he does is aggregate news headlines, but look at what's featured on that. I mean, I tend to avoid looking at it, because if I go in and take a look at a look a look at d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d... basically are 12 different ways to die at least. It's just this list of either of catastrophes.

Starting point is 00:12:47 Everything you know everything is is it's an anxiety machine. That's all the if you read through all of the articles which are there, you know, I think you go nuts after a while because it's nothing but fear. And here's the question that I think you're you're asking earlier and it is one that I'm not I can't offer real answer to but it is a question and the question is how much of this fear of all of these things that are inducing fear and the way in which it is advertised and promoted.

Starting point is 00:13:26 How much of that is just a system feeding off of itself? You know, nothing sells like tragedy, you know. Good news. Impending doom is one of the things that people tend to have an appetite for. Or is this being orchestrated to one degree or another? Is there a kind of deliberate psychological pressure which is being placed upon people in terms of inflation, everything costing more, things being sort of just random shortages that seem to make no particular sense?

Starting point is 00:14:02 In the thing where I think we've got a lot of things, gone through a lot of things recently that don't really seem to make particular sense. Uh, in the thing where I think we've gone a lot of things who have gone through a lot of things recently that don't really seem to make particular sense. And without going into the whole COVID issue, just say that one of the things that I observed all the way through that is that what I was being told, the information that I was being told that was accurate never seemed to mesh with what I actually observed. And that to me was either a kind of general breakdown in a whole system of information or it was an interesting psychological experiment. Yeah, well yes and yes and yes and yes to all that and you know when you start to watch how that thing was rolled out again we get into this psychological operation you know slowly but first you know

Starting point is 00:15:04 you know these videos from China start leaking. Whoa man, there's something going on China. People are just falling in the streets. Whoa, hold on what? What? There's just bad virus? What is this? The news is like shot? Oh, what is it? Well, probably nothing. Don't worry about it. Well, hold on what? There's somebody here? Boom and then it just hammered time, hammer time, hammer time. It was all done to evoke psychological effects. And you know, we're getting into something, and I'd love to hear somebody who worked in academia for so long,

Starting point is 00:15:41 academia, right, for so long. And probably whether, maybe I'm wrong because I went to college, I don't th, I the the the the th, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, for so long. And probably whether maybe I'm wrong because I went to college, I don't remember it being so extreme like it is now, you know, but it's like this kind of thing that we talk about on the show all the time is smart versus intelligence. And there are some very intelligent people out there who could write you the greatest script, write you the greatest book, author the greatest book, but if you ask them on a street level how the world works, they

Starting point is 00:16:16 have absolutely no clue. They are completely detached from what seems to be happening on a street level and they seem to be to be happening on a street level. And they seem to be really plugged in to the mass media and what is going on in the mass media and they parent a lot of stuff being told because there's a bit of conformity that comes from being intelligent. Like when you go to school, our school system, reward you for following the rules. Someone's on the principal list. Oh, congrat, hey, little Billy,

Starting point is 00:16:54 little Billy listens to everything all the time. It's a great listener and follows the rules of the class really well. Oh, congratulations, Lil Billy, and that seems to be it. And then the kid who doesn't want to play a game, he gets pounded, and he the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the the the to the to to reward, and he to reward, and he to reward, and to to to reward, and to to to to reward to to to to to to to reward torudes to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tor. to to to to reward to reward to reward torudes to reward torudes torudes torudes torudes torudes torudes torudes torude... torude. torude. torude. torowne, the torowne, the the the thoes, the the the throwne. throwne. the the thoooooooooooes. toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe. the rules of the class really well. Oh, congratulations, little Billy, and that seems to be it. And then the kid who doesn't want to play a game, he gets pounded and he gets sent to detentions and all the stuff, and he wonders if he's just an idiot. Do you have any thoughts on that? Am I off?

Starting point is 00:17:17 Do I have any thoughts on academia? Well, I've spent about, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, I, you, I, I, I, I, I, I th spent, you th spent, you thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th., th., th., th. thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thi. my entire adult life in academia, which means basically, you know, first being a graduate student and then being everything from a teaching assistant to professor at, you know, 40 years is a professor of history, mostly at the University of Idaho. So I think I have some experience in that type of field. And you know, you've heard the term ivory tower. The whole thing, you know, that academics live in an ivory tower, which is a kind of world in some way separate from the other one. Well, that's basically true. It's not the real world.

Starting point is 00:17:59 Yeah, I mean, it's not supposed to be the real world. Universities are supposed to be a place of learning, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, they., the real world. Universities are supposed to be a place of learning of sort of intellectual curiosity. That's where you go to to expand your knowledge and expand the universe for you. Not necessarily to find a job, but it's a place to expand what it is that you know. But it's a peculiar kind of environment and it's a, you know, the simplest way I argue is that universities are kind of, I'm talking about American universities, are a kind of strange combination of the modern and the archaic. There's a lot of, you know, the other roots in the Middle Ages. And in a lot of ways, they still function as a kind of monastic environment. And essentially it's a kind of feudal system.

Starting point is 00:18:52 Yes. One of the things that impacts a lot of, of the sort of academic training you go through. So when you go through as a grad student, you're, you know, for a number of years, you know, maybe seven, eight years more, ten years, how long it takes you to go through and get that union card to academia, which is called a PhD. That's what everyone is acting. And to do that, you have to work under other established professors. And you generally become a kind of academic surf, often called a teaching assistant.

Starting point is 00:19:26 Now, the people who, by the way, if you look at the news, you notice, are in strike in California. Okay, they, 48,000 or so teachers, assistants, graders, et cetera. I used to be one of them and understand what their grievances are. But part of that is this kind of rebellion of serfs, because the main thing is a history grad student or whatever else you have to do, you have to negotiate the whole kind of weird personal landscape

Starting point is 00:19:54 of the other professors in the department you're working in, and who likes who and who doesn't like who. Because you can find out that if you're the grad student working under Professor A and Professor A has a personal feud with Professor B, you somehow just got on Professor B's shit list even though you've never been okay, just because you're a kind of asset of this other person. So I have to do that, you have to keep in mind what people's particular ideological predilections are. You have to stay on fairly good terms of these people who are going to do everything

Starting point is 00:20:31 from, you know, grade all the work that you do to set on your doctoral committee who basically hold a, collectively, the power of life and death over your academic career. So you really don't want to piss those people off. So one of the things you you you you you you you you you th th you you th th th you you th th you you you th you you you th you you you th you you you you you to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. to to to theoooo. to to to to to to theoo. to to to to to to to to of life and death over your academic career. So you really don't want to piss those people off. So one of the things that I think that I have observed that this tends to ingrain in many people who go through this process is a certain psychological subservience. Okay, they're very used to playing with, you know, the way that you succeed in the system is that you play within the system, you keep the people happy that you're, you, you, you,

Starting point is 00:21:12 brown knows who you have to brown knows to get through this type of thing. And that process just kind of continues. It tends to continue from, you know, your committee, the professors you work under as a graduate student to the other other, the other, the other, the other, the other, the other, the other, th.., th. th. th. to continue from your committee, the professors you work under as a graduate student, to the other sort of ascended academics in the university administration that you work under the dean's provost, presidents above them, the people that you then have to go on to and keep happy. So one of the ideas, a big thing which is a topic on campuses,

Starting point is 00:21:44 and it should be, is the idea is a big thing which is a topic on campuses and it should be is the idea of academic freedom. This is one of the things which is enshrined. This is the this is the whole you've always in academia because academic freedom means that within the university environment faculty are supposed to be free to engage in intellectual inquiry. In other words to investigate what you want to investigate what you want to be free to engage in intellectual inquiry. In other words, to investigate what you want to investigate and to write, to express your views, because you know, you're supposed to be the cast of experts, and therefore you want your experts to speak honestly to you, right?

Starting point is 00:22:22 And you want them to be able to speak freely, even though that may mean they may end up saying things that really annoy you or anger you in some respects. So the idea is that academic free indiom exists or should exist. The reality is it exists in a very qualified way, because you know, you always have to be careful to somebody. You always have to be watching over your shoulder in terms of what you say, especially if it has they they they they they th they th th th they th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, you know, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. thi. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thin. thin. to, to, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to teee an te an te an te an te an thin. to somebody. You always have to be watching over your shoulder in terms of what you say, especially if it has anything to do with, you know, things like university policy. And, you know, many colleges and universities actually have it as a kind of statute, I suppose you could say, is that employees of the university are not supposed to publicly disagree with any university policies. You can be dismissed for that.

Starting point is 00:23:12 That's considered a violation to simply disagree. Even if you think they're completely idiotic. You're never supposed to publicly break ranks in some respects. So there's always this struggle. And so the idea is that the universities are full of a lot of free thinking and I usually tend to find real free thinking in pretty short supply.

Starting point is 00:23:35 Because what a lot of people had learned pretty well is, you know, that have been ingrained to them, is that you don't rock the boat. You count out to those people above you, you curry favor in this feudal system, and you'll succeed pretty well. So if it sounds like I'm not a true believer in that, I'm not. So how did I manage to survive for that by 40 years? By faking it.

Starting point is 00:23:59 There you go. By going along with stuff very often that I knew was utter bullshit, but I would, you know, if it was necessary in order to continue to have my rice bowl to do it, I know, I'd go along with it, but I never lost sight of that. It was still bullshit. And that was, but I'm, you know, I'm fairly pleased and if nothing else, I think I managed to negotiate the treasurer's shovels of academia fairly well. Well, I think it's amazing and I think that's, thank you for that, because I do feel that that is what happens now. When you see these congressional hearings and they'll be interviewing somebody from a school or a professor and they're like,

Starting point is 00:24:56 hey, what is, can you define a woman? And they're like, I cannot define a woman. You're like, you know what a woman is, but you know what the people in your circle and above you want to start pushing on people. So you begin to conform to that, and you go on the stand and say ridiculous things, which leads to this, what I believe is cultural Marxism. And a big part that we've been hearing a lot

Starting point is 00:25:26 is that over the last couple decades, colleges have been just hotbeds for Marxism and what that represents. And so this and this gets into the Russian Revolution and where we are in my humble opinion. What are you, where would you like to start with that that? I know you want to talk about the historical significance of the Russian Revolution, but do you do feel that there is similarities between what was going on in Russia and what's going on today in America? Well, let's say, you know, I think that an early sort of term for what you're

Starting point is 00:26:02 telling you about, it's been a term some time is the term political correctness. I can't remember when that actually came. Now political correctness is a term that comes, you know, that has directly fairly modern, Marxist, really sort of communist roots because it's all connected to the idea of many ways of a party line, that there is the party line, which is the, the, the, the, the, the, the established church. That's what it is, isn't it? And there is the dogma. And this was a kind of official dogma you were supposed to have. And my general understanding of it is that political correctness is an operative term came out of Marxist or Neo Marxist groups and universities in the 60s and 70s.

Starting point is 00:26:45 And it was a kind of litmus test for ideas and for people. You know, one of the things you constantly had to test yourself on within these groups is whether you were ideologically correct. Were you taking the correct view of things? Were you following the party line? But then this sort of passed into, you know, from those essentially Marxist circles, this, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, and, and, their, and, their, their, thii.e. thi. thi. thea. theauii. theauiuiuiui. theauiaui. theauiaui. thea. thi. thi. the line. But then this sort of passed into, you know, from those essentially Marxist circles, this, of which there are a great many in universities, it is a definite presence, sort of seeped into the the collective language, but the question that always came up that I always would ask whenever

Starting point is 00:27:22 somebody said, well you know it's politically correct was, well, what politics and whose correctness? I mean, we're all, and this would always, I mean, the thing is, is that whatever sort of outward obedience to political correctness, you know, the idea of not rocking the boat, which I mentioned before is kind of ingrained into academic training, and that was pretty easily to translate into going along with political correctness. But you know, people would always, they would say something to you to go, well, you know, it may not be politically correct. And you know, and always sort of half whispering this as if it would be overheard. So the concept was is that there's something called political correctness and that apparently there's there's the their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that, it that, that, that, that, that, that, th. th. that, th. that, thi. the the thi. thi. th. thi. thi. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. the. the. theat. things. things. things. things. things. things. toling. te. te. te. today. tho. tho. tho. the was is that there's something called political correctness and that apparently there's some, it has some authority. And see that's what I can never understand. You know,

Starting point is 00:28:11 whose politics, what correctness, and why does this have any authority? The point is I may say something and you may disagree with it and you know my response to that is well, so what? Right? I mean, if you disagree with it and you know my response to that is well so what right I mean if you disagree with it you disagree with it I mean clearly if you disagree with me my assumption would be is that you're wrong and therefore I should pay into it so yeah we can just go that way and and it's this there is a lost art of people simply being willing to agree to disagree. Okay we don't see high to eye to eye to the the the the th and and and th and th and th and th and th and th and th. and th. And th. And th. And th. And you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you. I I you. I I I you. I I I you. I I I I you. I I I I I you. I I I you. I I you. I you. I you you you you you you you you you you you you you you th th th th. I thin, and thi thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, and th. I mean, and th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi you you you you you you you you th, there is a lost art of people simply being willing to agree to disagree. Okay, we don't see eye to eye on those particular questions, but hey, let's go out and I'll buy you a drink. Nonetheless, we can still have, you know, I've had fairly good friends and mine so I don't think I ever agreed politically with them on one damn thing. but nevertheless, we were still friends. That was okay. But that, but there was this idea

Starting point is 00:29:10 that there was this sort of, you know, there was some sort of political correctness, that had some authority, and if it has authority, but nobody really claimed, you know, nobody was the sort of political correctness police and, you know, people would always talk about it as some other thing, some sort of mysterious force. And what I mostly see that is just, is just people doing a mind game on themselves. But you know, the idea, you know, that you're being watched in some way, that what you're doing is, is being judged. And what I saw developed over a period of time is that that sort of half-joking talk about political correctness became increasingly real until you've gotten to the situation now,

Starting point is 00:29:56 where I think a lot of times, you know, particularly from the standpoint of any kind of instructor, of really being careful about what you say because someone from the standpoint of any kind of instructor, of really being careful about what you say, because someone among the students in the course or elsewhere will have an issue with that. In other words, they'll be offended by it. Now, you know, the whole thing is, yeah. How do you ever have an honest discussion about anything? How do you really have a real discussion about anything without offending somebody? You know, I go on with the idea if you haven't offended somebody, then, you know, obviously this isn't, this isn't terribly important, all right? Yeah, I completely, there's so much to break, you know, to unpack from what you just said.

Starting point is 00:30:43 It got to the point where it wasn't even whether someone got offended. It's that someone could get offended. And the ghost of that became this giant, like, shadow in the cave type situation where people are just so afraid of the notion that, oh, someone could take this wrong way. Yeah. Even though nobody did afraid of the notion that so someone could take this wrong way even though nobody did take it the wrong way someone could take and we got to eliminate that and for me because I see what you're talking about in Hollywood right now and I've decided I'm not going to call it Los Angeles because I love LA it's Hollywood that I have a major problem with

Starting point is 00:31:23 the actual area of Hollywood and the people that I have a major problem with. The actual area of Hollywood and the people that are in it. And I've seen some wonderful comedians in Hollywood completely change the way they operate on stage and who they talk to because they don't want to get canceled. And canceling now is like this scarlet letter that's out there that if you get canceled, you find very quickly how many friends you have. Very quickly. And the notion of getting canceled is so scary that they would rather make themselves be miserable doing comedy they don't really enjoy then actually possibly, which may never

Starting point is 00:32:06 even happen, get canceled. And it happens all the time. So the question becomes why, who is cancelling? Who is the politically correct police? And for me, I don't know if you've followed this thing with this hip-hop artist, he's called Kanye West, and there's all this stuff going on with him, the NBA, with Kyrie Irving and all this stuff. And you start going, who, who is canceling who? And the thing I got, it doesn't matter like what group is doing the cancelling because I think at the end of the day, when you take a look at the dark hand that is involved, to me it is always authority.

Starting point is 00:32:48 And authority wants to establish that if you do not tow the line, you will get canceled. And they use certain groups to cancel other people as a sign of authority. So when people go cancel culture isn't real, they're right to a point. It's not real, because most people don't care. But it's this very, very well-funded extremist group that is propped up by corporations and the government that make you think they have a bunch of teeth. And so when somebody says something stupid, let's say, Kanye West. what happens is all the corporations drop him quickly to give the illusion that political correctness is something

Starting point is 00:33:34 you don't want to mess with. When in reality, most people are like, dude, you shouldn't say those terms, but at the end of the day, what do you do really that bad? I mean, Louis, he said it the best. He's like, am I really canceled? I do sold-out shows, people buy my shit. Yeah. Like, is he really canceled?

Starting point is 00:33:49 It's the illusion? Yeah, it's the illusion. We thought. We all think he's canceled. But if you don't go to his show, you know, and he's, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, the, he, he's, he's, he, he, he, he, he, he, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he. to, he. to, he. to, he. to, he. to, he. to, he. to, he. the, he. the, he. the, he. the, he. the, he. the, he. the, he. the, he. the, he. the, he. the, he. the, he. the, the, the, the, the. the. the. the. to. the. the. the, the. the. the, to. the, to. the. to. to. the, to. the, the, the, the. Well he lost the the he lost the right to hang out with the inner group. And what goes with that is making a you know a big budget television show on a network I mean that also he lost that. Which is important to him but I don't know if it's still important him I think he's found happiness and what he's doing. But it that's the illusion he gained something he's doing it now on his website now. But it's that's the illusion. He gained something. He gained something. He's doing it now on his website. All right guys, real

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Starting point is 00:36:35 I get what you mean there. Thank you true classic. Social justice warriors to me are American ISIS. Well funded extremists used to destabilize. And that's what they've been doing. And if you actually take a look, that's why I don't believe anything is going on in the news with these elections or any of that, because the actual group that they're trying to convince us is winning everything is so tiny compared to the big group. But the small group is super well funded by powerful people who position them in places to appear as though they're winning

Starting point is 00:37:11 and that to me is I and maybe I'm wrong and this is why I want to get into is this is this what we saw at the Bolshevik Revolution. Well, Bolshevik Revolution. So I guess maybe one of the places to start with that, you know, since that's my academic, serve with an academic, is what's, we're talking about Bolshevism, what are we talking about? And, and, you know, one of the, the common complaints I often have is that words seem to get separated from their reality in terms of they tend to change and shift over time. You know, the best example of that is the heavily overworked term fascism. Okay, notice how one of the things, pretty on the left is's fashionable to fashionable, there you go, to accuse your enemies of being

Starting point is 00:38:08 fascist. This versus a fascist. This is fascism, fascism. Well, you know, almost nobody that who turns that term, actually, if you ask them to define fascism, it's whatever it is that that day they dislike. So, but the other thing is the the the the thiiiii. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. the the thi, the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tom. term. t. term. term. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. te. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to is that that day they dislike. So, but the other thing is there's an actual document you can go to. So the guy who came up with the whole name, okay, the guy who created fascism, I think it's fair to say, was Benito Mussolini wasn't anybody else. Now, there may have been people who influenced him, but so on, but there was nothing called fascism before he formed the party in Italy. And one of the things that Mussolini wrote was a document called the doctrine of fascism. So here from the horse's mouth from Mussolini, the guy who came up with an aim, created the

Starting point is 00:38:59 political movement, he defines what it is. Now I kind of defy you to go through that and figure out exactly what it is, because it's, because it's, because it's, because it's, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, and th, th, th, th, th, and thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, thi, and thi, and thi, and the the the the thi, and the the the thi, and the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi.a theean thean thi.a' thean, thi.a' thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, th kind of defy you to go through that and figure out exactly what it is because it's kind of everything and nothing, but there is this, it's essentially a kind of glorification of the state. The other thing it is, and this is what is often lost, is that fascism is a mutant form of Marxism. Because one of the other little details which is often lost about Benito Mussolini is that for years before that,

Starting point is 00:39:34 before he became the leader of fascism, about the end, but around 1918, 19, 19, is that what had he been for a good 20 years before that? He'd been one of the most active members of the Italian Socialist Party. Okay, so by background, his father was also a socialist radical. Well, sometimes he called himself an anarchist, but, you know, it came from that kind of background. But from, from his family tradition, through his entire early political career,

Starting point is 00:40:09 at one point he was the editor of the biggest socialist newspaper in Italy, Mussolini was a career Marxist. And what he did, as a result of his experience in World War I and this kind of a pivot he had, was that he simply modified Marxism into fascism. So one of the basic inaccuracies I think, which is often put forward in terms of popular culture, is that fascism and Marxism are two extremely different things, you know, one's at the extreme right and one is at the extreme left, and the extreme left. And no, there, there's there, the Marx, the Marx, the Marx, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, thii- thi-inism, thi-inism, thi-inism, thi-a, thi-a, thi-a, thi-mi-a-inism, thi-inism, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi-i-i-m, thi-m, thi-m, thi-m, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi-a-i-i-i-i-i-i-s thi-mi-a, thi-a, thi-a, thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-a, thi-s, you know, one's at the extreme right and one is at the extreme left.

Starting point is 00:40:48 And no, they're both fruit from the same tree. What Mussolini did is that he simply took fascism and amended it into a more national than international movement. And by the way, he's not the only one who did that, because his imitator, Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party, what does Nazi stand for? What is it short for national socialists? So the other thing is that Nazis were also socialists. So, you see, these things are not as separate as they want to meet. But you can also see why most people on the modern left left.. their, their, to, their, to to, to, to, to their, to to their, to their, to their, their, their, their, th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to thi. their, thi. to to to to to to to to too, too, their, Ad their, Ad, Ad, Ad, Ad, Ad, Ad, Ad, Ad, Ad, Ad, Ad, Ad, their, their, their their. their. their their their thi. thi. th. th. th. thi. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thiiiiolioliiioliiiioliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. thi. thi. ths are not as separate as they want to be, but you can also see why most people on the modern left don't want to

Starting point is 00:41:29 acknowledge that background. Okay, this is not someone they want to acknowledge as part of their general generalized family tree. So what's what's Bolshevism? How does it fit into this? How is Bolshevism, you know, what's, we've got these three terms, we've got these three isms. We've got socialism, and we've got communism, and we've got Bolshevism. And of course, let's throw in the other one, or the sort of beginning of it, Marxism. So Carl Marx, you know, he was a 19th century German economic philosopher, who never actually worked in a factory a day in his life or much of anything else other than compiling a lot of information

Starting point is 00:42:16 becoming an economic philosopher. And his product of that was the idea essentially that history advances through phases of economic development. You know, pretty much is that, as you could argue, that Marxism was the first iteration of the idea, it's the economy student. You know, that history was essentially an economic struggle involving social classes and so things went from some sort of primitive undergathering society to a feudal society, then to what he believed existed at the time which

Starting point is 00:42:56 was a bourgeois society, that is a society in which the kind of property-owning middle class had become dominant. They displaced the old land-owning aristocracy and now it was the factory and bank-only owning middle classes or productive classes that that owned property and domino you know if you don't, it is based upon a simple reality. I mean essentially what Marx was arguing is that those who control the gold control the country. That essentially political power is an extension of economic power. That those who have the control property and wealth in a society will tend to control its politics. And you know, I don't see anything wrong with that. I mean, I don't see anything wrong with his estimation that those two things

Starting point is 00:43:47 go together but Marx's idea was that what was then going to happen though is that inevitably you know that there was a the history is going in a particular direction that it that it's leading towards a kind of singularity. That there is, it's the whole concept that we have of progress. Remember that things are changing and they're always becoming better. Rather, as opposed to the idea that things are just changing and they're not becoming better or for worse. They're just changing. And, you changing and progress is what we is a name sort of given to this that but really what that is is that it's just the idea

Starting point is 00:44:33 of the millennium. So when Karl Marx said what's eventually going to happen is that this corrupt capitalist system, this system of exploitation, will eventually be transformed into a just, unified communal society that will be a state of communism. And the way in which capitalism will be turned into communism is through the process of socialism. So one way to think of it is that Marxism is essentially the philosophy. In Marxism, socialism is the means to the end, and communism is that end.

Starting point is 00:45:20 It is the ideal state. Now if you want to think about that in religious terms, what Marx is actually describing is the sort of, you know, that the advent of communism is the ideal state. Now if you want to think about that in religious terms, what Marx is actually describing is the sort of, you know, that the advent of communism is the second coming. It is the end of time, so it is the reconciliation of all, of all contradictions and the creation of price sprain over earth, that type of thing. So that's what I mean by the fact that eventually Marxism even though it repudiates, it argues that religion as it exists has no place in society, it can argue that because it's essentially proposing itself as the new religion. So here's my question. A lot of times I have friends

Starting point is 00:46:01 mine who I love to pieces. You know, and they call themselves socialist. And when you start talking about a lot of stuff you bring up, they go, well, we've never had pure socialism. And I go, well, we've never had, very rarely, if ever, we've had pure of anything, there's always been a powerful class that kind of controls where everything goes, right? There's like, so I have to ask you, what in your opinion through everything you've learned is, is the pure form of socialism that if socialists got it, what that would

Starting point is 00:46:43 look like, and then if communists got what they wanted, what that pure form look like? And then finally, because you mentioned it earlier, you mentioned what is the actual definition of fascism, because I know what I believe it is, but I would love to hear what Mussolini in your words thought fascism was. Okay. Well, let's start with that.

Starting point is 00:47:09 What, Musilini's, well, you'd have to read the whole document. I mean, it's, it's not the most coherent document. But what it comes down to is that fascism boils down to a, an idea of the organization of society into around certain social casts. Remember, Musilli started out as a Marxian socialist. Okay, and what Marxian socialists want to do is they believe that the world was going to be inherited by the proletariat, the working class. So, the present dominant class, where the, the property, the property, the property, the, the property, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, theyloils, theylows, theylows, theylows, theyles, theyles, theyles, theylows, they was going to be inherited by the proletariat, the working class. So the present dominant class were the property owning the capitalists, you know, those

Starting point is 00:47:52 people who own the means of production, you know, everything from banks to factories, and they exploited everybody else to do that. The fact is that, you know, you're, think of it, you know, the work you do for your boss has to make your boss more money that he pays you or he's a bad business man, isn't he? I mean, that's just the logic about it's going to work. So he is exploiting, he's getting more value from your labor than he pays back to you. So from another standpoint, he's kind of ripping you off. Now, the idea was that over time and through struggle and evolution that the proletariat is essentially going to rise up one way or the other and take control of society, so that the parasitic class, the kind of managerial class, will disappear. But that's one of those things that will take time. So the pure form of socialism is communism.

Starting point is 00:48:55 Remember, that's the end you're supposed to achieve. So even a communist party is a party which aspires towards communism and the way you get there is through Socialism so socialism is inevitably a kind of evolutionary process so there wouldn't be any perfect state of socialism except the final state. Which was communism, therefore I argue communism is the perfect state of socialism, which I have to work through it to get there. So it's, so let's go, you know, they've been talking about how fascism is essentially, you know, goes along with much this the same idea. So how did, what's, how does Mussolini sort of change fascism?

Starting point is 00:49:42 Well, Marxian's socialism argues that the entire working class in the world is all sort of one community. So remember the sort of phrase that was used by the Bolsheviks and others and other Marxists, which was, you know, workers of the world unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains. So Marxian socialism and communism as its extension viewed itself as a international movement whose goal ultimately was to liberate the entire toiling masses of the world from capitalist ownership and oppression.

Starting point is 00:50:29 And therefore in the Marxian sense, things like national identity became unimportant. And what was important was your social position. So the idea was that the workers in all countries, American workers, Russian workers, Lafayan workers, Chilean workers, all workers were part of an oppressed, think of it this one, a victimized majority, and that's what they had to make, that's why they needed a common party and a common movement. And what Mussolini argued is that what that did was that it created class conflict within the society.

Starting point is 00:51:10 So even though he had been an active socialist for years, one of the things that he became critical of is that he believed that one of the things that this did in World War I and differences and views about that in Italy brought this up to him, it meant that working class Italians now viewed the upper classes as their enemies. And therefore this led Italians to fight Italians. And he created class conflict in the fear of civil war. And he thought that that was bad for Italians. And instead what Mussolini with fascism wanted to do was to create what

Starting point is 00:51:52 the Germans, you know, what the Nazis called national socialism, that is as opposed to an international movement that was going to liberate workers and reconcile economic conflicts all around the world. You're going to do this within one country and it was going to liberate workers and reconcile economic conflicts all around the world, you're going to do this within one country, and it was going to become a, but it needed, again, a party to act as a kind of controlling body, which would reconcile differences. So what fascism did in Italy, or what it tried to do, was to create a system in which essentially you gave a stake in all of the social classes in a political system controlled by the fascist party which stood above the classes if that

Starting point is 00:52:37 makes any particular sense. And it was so it was to translate it was essentially take socialist ideas and use them at a national level. But the other thing that Mussolini makes very clear that, you know, that makes this whole thing work is that you have to idealize the state. To a great extent, it was the worship of the state as a kind of semi-religious institution above social class and usually controlled

Starting point is 00:53:07 by a particular party, by particular ideology, and of course an ideology led by a particular leader, which in this case was Mussolini. There's also a lot of, in in fascism, and you can see this in in Nazism, there's also a lot of kind ofism, and you can see this in Nazism, there's also a lot of kind of hankering for an idealized past. So one of the things that you could find is a difference between, let's say, a traditional Marxian socialist, between a communist and a communist in this sort of simple sense, and a fascist is that the fascists were generally much more inclined to sort of either admire

Starting point is 00:53:57 elements of the past. There were, in many ways, they were sort of great appropriators of tradition. So for instance, in Mussolini's fascist Italy, you'll notice that he's constantly drawing these connections to the Roman Empire. He's talking about a new Roman Empire and creating a new sort of, you know, Roman martial spirit in among the Italian. So there's all of this kind of symbolism that evokes the Roman Empire, even though the Roman Empire nothing to do with it, but you're sort of appropriating th th this this this this the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, you're, you're, thiolioli, thi, thi. thi. thioli. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi is is thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. toeeea. toea. toea. toeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiia that evokes the Roman Empire, even though the Roman Empire had nothing to do with it. But you're sort of appropriating this past for your uses.

Starting point is 00:54:31 Whereas in communism, there was, you know, much more of the idea was that the past was just, you know, it was just a dustbin. You know, the ultimate fate of anything that was out of date or politically incorrect under communism was swept into the dustbin of history. But the past was over with and we were going to build a completely new future. You know, there was going to be a new Soviet man, there was going to be a new kind of murder. It was going to be a whole new world order that was going to create, and there, the past didn't really matter that much. Now, practically speaking, that never really happened because the past is just too useful to completely ignore.

Starting point is 00:55:14 Now, everybody likes to justify themselves by the past. But that's, you know, the rough difference between the two. And a national socialism as opposed to an international socialism, you know, both of them being emphasized around how you, with social classes, you know, communism was simply going to destroy the bourgeoisie, destroy them as a class, which, you know, not necessarily, you know, put them all against the wall and shoot them, although you could do that, but to destroy

Starting point is 00:55:50 them as a class by destroying their ability to own and manipulate property and money, you know, take their money away from them and they disappear. And Mussolini's, you know, the fascist solution to this was to create something that was above social class, which would unite people around a common national or tribal identity and get these different economic, so essentially have some greater force in the state that would force the social classes to cooperate with each other, or really just force them to work together, whether they wanted to cooperate with each other or really just force them to work together whether they wanted to or not.

Starting point is 00:56:30 It's interesting to me because there's a lot going on there. Because it sounds like when you listen to it you go, okay man, you know, the communist, the socialist, which leads to communist, wants to give the everyday man the opportunity that the ruling class has. You're like, well, that sounds great. That sounds great. Well, is that in a weird way what capitalism tries to do as well? But what seems to happen is you replace one ruling class with another ruling class,

Starting point is 00:57:02 and that is the government, and the government becomes a bureaucracy. And then what we see that that the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the is the government and the government becomes a bureaucracy and then what we see in China is like you could build a business and then the government comes in goes oh your your pizza shop is now an ice cream stand ran by my buddy over here get out and that becomes it and I would love to hear your opinion on this. I've also heard that fascism involves the state and corporations coming together to control people's rights, basically, that they work together and they dictate what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. Am I close on that at all?

Starting point is 00:57:50 Well, let's sort of this way. The idea is that you have this, again, if you're looking at fascism, is that you have the fascist party. So one of the things that the fascist party or the Nazi party afforded people is it afforded there was a writer who called it the the concept of non-economic satisfaction. So that party membership afforded people non-economic satisfaction. So what are they talking about? Well it gave them an ego boost. So one of the things that the mass party could do is that you know not everybody could be in the party. You required status. That's see if you don't if you don't give people money here's the trick. Give them status or

Starting point is 00:58:39 perceive status. You know don't give them and don't give them a raise. Just apparently, which is another way of just saying you know know, pat them on the head and give them an ego stroke. That's that's the way you can get people. By the way, that's also a very key point in academia. Don't give them a lot of money. Make everything the prestige and status. That's right. That is what Hollywood is right now. Go get a Starbucks for So- Hey dude here, hey, congrats on your show on Netflix. Oh by the way, good luck paying your rent. That's the whole Viacom way of operating, which is so interesting man. So what I find very interesting about fascism is that that

Starting point is 00:59:27 term has been kind of used by the left to point to anybody on the right and I find that interesting because based on what you're telling me okay the the real term that should be being pointed at people is communist or socialist. Because that seems to be a lot more dangerous than what fascism is. And because the end goal of this movement of corporations and the government seems to be putting the government which will be ran by the corporations in charge so you can't demonize communism so you have to find another term and that term is fascist. Guys I want to tell you about our good friends at Beard Club that's right

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Starting point is 01:02:34 around as you know what you call a pejority but just an insult is thrown at people and it's generally used without adding any idea of what the hell you're talking about. So I mean I've seen all kinds of people I mean like or not I've seen people constantly being accused being a fascist and they may be a lot of things but they're probably not a fascist and you know you using that term you don't have any idea what what a fact is and furthermore you've never made any effort to find out what one is. You just repeat this term and this is you know this is just just just just just just just just just just just just just just th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. thi. thi. thi. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. their. their their their the find out what one is. You just repeat this term. And this is, you know, this is just one of the things

Starting point is 01:03:07 I have to admit that just bugs me about people in general, including myself sometimes. It's just, you know, people latch onto these terms and they just repeat them like parrots. And by the way, a term which is used in very similar ways I think is racist because it is often used. I mean, I mean, anti-semitic now is a big one calling. I mean, dude, I mean, one day on Twitter we will all be called anti-semitic at this rate for whatever. I like, I like mushrooms on my pizza, you fucking anti-semitic.

Starting point is 01:03:43 They called Jordan Peterson a Nazi. I mean, like, yeah. like mushrooms on my pizza, you fucking anti-Semitic. They call Jordan Peterson a Nazi. I mean, like, yeah. Well, here's an interesting thing. You brought up the term anti-Semitic. And, you know, I've talked about, what are we talking about when we use the term anti-Semitic? Because it's not really, I mean, what?

Starting point is 01:03:59 What that would include Jews, but it also, even more prominent, includes what? Arabs, okay? It describes a linguistic family. That's what it describes. So in a sense, if you wanted to be nitpicky about it, you could argue that, you know, anti-Semitic would be someone who just doesn't like semites, which means that mostly they wouldn't like Arabs because there would be a lot more them, and they don't like the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their a their a their a their a their a their a their anti their anti their anti anti anti anti anti-a' a thi anti-s, thii. anti-s, thi. A thi. A thi. A thi. A thi. A their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. And, te. And, te. And, te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. t would be a lot more of them, and they don't like Jews, and they don't like them because they're Semites. And that, I'd argue, is probably someone who has never actually existed, and that's not what we're talking about, because the term anti-Semitic means one thing and one thing only, which is anti-Jew. And my the the thu. And my thu. And my question thu. And my question is, and my question is, and my question is, and my question is, thu. And my question is, thu. And my question is, why don't we just say that?

Starting point is 01:04:47 So what is a Semitic? It's an Arab? It's a person of a certain area? Semitic is a term used mostly, you know, it's used historically or anthropologicallyically to define a group of people, mostly who live in what we call the Middle East, which remember isn't really the middle or east of anything, but anyway, what we call the Middle East who speak related languages.

Starting point is 01:05:12 So Hebrew and Arabic are related. They are Semitic languages in the same way that English and German are Germanic languages, or that you know or that that that Spanish and Italian are or romance or Latin based languages so there there is a linguistic link between and so the main Semitic people in the world or Arabs are Semites there are other smaller groups you know Maltese the island of Malas, has a Semitic language. But it's mostly defining people by language. And Jews are semis in the sense that they descend from, well, if you're Hebrew speaking, you're speaking a Semitic language, um, because of the historical roots to that area, but it sort of, it sort of goes back to, the, it sort of goes to the thi. But it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, th, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th th, th, th th, th, th is is is is th is th, th, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi their their their their thi. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thi.s, thi. itic language, because of the historical roots to that area,

Starting point is 01:06:08 but it sort of goes back to, I mean, where does that term here? See, this is the type of thing that people should do. Where does that, why does that term come from? I mean, who came up with a term anti-Semitic? Well, turns out it was a guy named Wilhelm Marr in Germany around the middle of the 19th century, I think 1860s, 1870s. And Vilhelm Marr was mostly a journalist. And he also didn't like Jews. Okay. He was, and there was a there was a common term which was used at the time to describe a strong opposition

Starting point is 01:06:47 to Jews, which was I think you know, which was essentially Jew hate. You know, but and Mar, you know, being a man of some education, thought that, you know, Jew hate just has, well, that just sounds kind of ugly, doesn't it? I mean, who wants to be connected with something called Jew hate? This was now the 19th century and, you know, the time of science. And, you know, one of the things is always connecting this term ism to things. We've talked about all of the socialism, communism, there's always an ism. So what's an ism, it it is simply is simply is that it is that it is that it is that it is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that is always is always is always is always is always is always is always is always is always the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the there is always always always always is always always is always is always is always is always is always is always always is always is always there's always an ism. So what's an ism, it simply means

Starting point is 01:07:25 that there's some sort of organized belief. And ism has to be some sort of organized, but sort of organized. So first of all, it elevates whatever you're talking about, to being a system of belief. So I mean, even if you hate fascism, by simply by calling it fascism, you're acknowledging that it's a thing. Apparently, it's a system because it's an ism. So what Marr did is that he replaced, you know, the ugly sort of negative-sounding Jew hate with, well, how can I say that I hate

Starting point is 01:08:01 Jews without actually saying who? So I know, there's semis, right? You know, we categorism is semis and, you know, in Europe, they're the only semis around. There are big, no particular number of Arabs at that time. And we'll just call it anti-Semitism. Antisemitism is the German form of it. So this is, now, so what's interesting about this to me is that anti-Semitism was a term developed by a Jew hater to make Jew hate sound better and everybody bought it and you're still using it. Jews are using it. Jews are using it. This became the whole thing and I

Starting point is 01:08:46 mean we all know who we're talking I mean I mean I mean so it's simply it you know it becomes the term which was established and and then of course academics picked it up and it became established in writing and we're always saying anti-Semitic anti-Semitic and all the time we're actually saying anti-Jew anti-Jew. And it probably more powerful if they they-t they they-they-they-they-they-they-they-they-they-they-they-they-they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they are are they are they are they are they are they are they are they are th th are th are th are ttttttoo tttell too to ttell tell th th th th th th thi they're they're they are they are they are theyic, when all the time we're actually saying anti-Jew, anti-Jew, anti-Jew. And it would probably be more powerful if they did say anti-Jew. Anti-Semitic now everybody's fighting over the semantics of that, right? Like, you know, you're anti-Semitic is, I mean, first of all, it's, you really are sort of buying into a, an anti-semit, you know, the guy wasn't developed to really clarify things. It's really just, it really gives it a greater dignity that it would have otherwise.

Starting point is 01:09:34 Because I think if you combine the two terms, you know, essentially Jew hate and anti-Semitism, well, which sounds like it might actually have a certain amount of credibility to it. I think it's just a matter of habit. I think it also because when you basically say anti-Jew, it somehow makes it that much clearer. I mean, it confronts you with the kind of ugly face of something that, that even for some reason, those who are opposed anti-symotemitism don't want to deal with. It's weird.

Starting point is 01:10:07 You know, it's one of those things I, you know, I often, I mean, I mean, I've stuck with the term myself, when I had a class, it was a history of anti-Semitism. It wasn't the history of anti-Jewism because partly nobody would know exactly what I was, what I was talking about. But I think it's a way way way way way way way way way way way way way terms of, you know, anti-Semitism on one level we all know what it means, but we just can't bring ourselves to say it. And I think that itself is a kind of the, you know, what you were talking about before, with political correctness, the kind of self-censoring that happens with that. The way in which you find that you begin not, you know, of using euphemisms to describe things instead of doing it openly, you know, part of it is simply to fit in and to avoid criticism. Most of us don't like that. You know, part of it is simply to fit in and to avoid criticism.

Starting point is 01:11:05 Most of us don't like that, but you know, I would argue that in a truly free exchange of ideas, people are going to disagree. Sometimes, you know, they might disagree a little bit, they might get into a violent argument. But that's the only way that anything ever develops. And in the other hand, you have this constant desire by people to fit in to not rock to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not the the the to not rock the the to not rock the the the to not rock the the to not rock the the the to not rock the the thock, you that's the only way that anything it develops. And in the other hand, you have this constant desire by people to fit in to not rock the boat, you know, to not get canceled, which just means that what? Some people will be mad at you. Yeah. Yeah, that's most deleted. Well, it's super interesting because it's like, you know, so we got, you know, all this, everybody, everybody getting called anti-Semitic. And. And. And. And. And. And, well, well, well, the. And, to. And, to. And, to. And, to, to, the, to, to, to, the, the, to, the, the, to, the, the, to, the, the, the, the, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, you know, all this, everybody, everybody getting called anti-Semitic.

Starting point is 01:11:47 And it drives me kind of crazy because what it's used is as a, it's used as a shield against the criticism of anybody who happens to be Jewish. And my old pushback is like, every group's got some bad apples. We should judge each person on their own and not make whatever they're doing, you know, take their group and have them be charged with the same crime. It's, to me, it's just ridiculous.

Starting point is 01:12:16 And it's kind of used as a way of going, and you see this a lot with the elites do this, where they'll pull some shit. And then they'll get the entire the entire the entire the entire the entire the entire the entire the entire the entire the entire the entire the entire the entire the entire the entire the entire the entire the entire the entire the entire the entire their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their. We's their. We's their. We's the elites do this, where they'll pull some shit, doesn't matter what group it is, they'll pull some shit, and then they'll get the entire base of that group to defend their actions. And then we get into these race wars or these gender wars or these, you know, whatever war it might be. And it just happens all the time. My whole thing is like, and I've said this forever, is like, judge somebody on the individual basis, but you see that people, that the powers that be that control the information don't want that. Because what they really want is us all fighting with each other, so we can't really focus on what the power is and all that stuff. And maybe it's human nature because we're mammals,

Starting point is 01:13:03 we run in packs and we defend our pack against an attack from another pack I don't know what it is but you know it's like if I could talk to Kanye who's who's talk about Jew media and all that stuff I go do you think all Jews are in on it and I guarantee you says yes he thinks they're all in he's been asked us he's like you you what you what Jews are you talking about you talking about you talk about all of them and he'll be like yeah all of them he's like no no no no wait up whatever you're talking about like a specific one in the music industry and then that's Lex talking and then the kind of like no the the actions yeah yeah that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's when that's when when that's when that's when when when that's when that's when when that's when that's when that's when when when that's when that's that's that's that's when that's when when it's when it's when it's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they I I I I I I I I I I I I I I's when when when when when when when when when when when when when it's when it's when it's when it's when it's when it's they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. the they. the the the the the a name or say no this guy from this. Yeah, or you condemn an entire group of people based on the actions of a few and no matter

Starting point is 01:13:48 how many you are, if you say me, tell me that there's a thousand Jews in the media, right? That's still a just a drop in the bucket compared to how many in the world. So it just gets to me like this way to just create division and that go and by the way everybody I kept that whole energy for when it was very cool in the year 2019 to say white people are all racist and white supremacy and white privilege I kept the same thing that's same energy I hate generalizations and I just think that's where you get into it. So the term anti-Semitic is used anytime there's a criticism on a very large level of anyone

Starting point is 01:14:34 who happens to be Jewish, even though you're not criticizing his Judaism. You're just criticizing an action he took, and he just happens to be Jewish. That's LGBTQ now too. Yeah, you can't, you can't say nothing about, yeah. You can't give up an inch because you give up an inch then you allow criticism of everything and that's, that's dangerous to people in power. Thoughts Richard? One of the things you've always got is, uh, any place, anytime, anywhere I'd argue, there are always, you can't..... the you the you you their their you. their you. You there, you their there, you One of the things you've always got is any place anytime,

Starting point is 01:15:06 anywhere, I'd argue, there are always, you can call them the elites, you can call them the controlling. I just call them the masters. There's always some sort of class of masters. And you'd ever have to look around too hard to find out who that those are, and you can tell them by the amount of stuff that they generally possess. They own things. They own everything in this case. And it is, you know, I don't think you have to look very hard in what could be termed the master class internationally that what are the things that you can look, you can find all kinds of people and you can find Jews. Well, and it managed to advance into the master class.

Starting point is 01:15:52 And, but you're right. But, where all of this tends to go wrong, where I think really people tend to go wrong, or I think really people tend to, you know, I'm pontificating here, but I'll do that. We really tend to go off the rails, is anytime you start thinking about people in groups, any time you start thinking about them, any time some, any of it, you lose sight of any kind of individuals and that sort of, then that just leads to chaos and murder. It does it inevitably, because what it does is it depersonalizes people in mass. You know, and you can look around in terms of, we're always told all sorts of things about, well, you know, times of way which, you know, white people or believe, you know, the characteristics of the white people, typical characteristics of black people, typical characteristics of Jews, etc. I mean, all of those are derived from observation of some people within those groups, but then they become this well, you know, the hated term of stereotypes that is then used, but it's, but it also just takes

Starting point is 01:16:54 careful observation to realize how little that tends to apply to most individuals. Yeah. You actually meet some of them and they don't act the way that them do and actually nobody does pretty much except for a few particular individuals. And it's, you know, the thing to the, for lack of a better term, the evil comes into that when you begin thinking about people and when you persist in th about people in groups in which they do things because that arguably is how you end up like like Kanye has gotten himself into, which is a form of delusion because the real world isn't like that. But I mean, that's common with so many things. I mean, that's a kind of, it's a kind of, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a... it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a the. It's a the, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a. It's a. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a. It's a, it's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the, it's a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their, isn't like that. But I mean, that's that's common with so many things. I mean, that's a kind of, we're constantly, we've always been told ever since we've very small is how the world was supposed to be, you know, how things, you know, and at some point that may well have included a mysterious man

Starting point is 01:18:00 who came down chimneys or somehow got into your house over Christmas and left presents, you know, one of those little lies that children were told how the world is supposed to work. And then gradually we sort of figure out that it doesn't work that way at all. And that most of this stuff you're being told, well, I'll boil it down even simpler. Most of the stuff that we've been told by authorities of all kind, religious, political, and academic, is bullshit. That's the way we categorize it. It's just fundamentally not true or not true in the way into which it is applied. And that we simply go through, you know, and I think, you know, part of the whole process, if you try to learn anything,

Starting point is 01:18:50 is trying to a little by little disabuse yourself of most of the bullshit. Yeah. I agree with you on that. And one thing, you know, you have some notes you sent me and you know I keep bringing it back to the you know the Russian Revolution and there's something in here that says why would capitalists have backed revolutionary socialism and for me man you know it's like people been talking about you see Rogan talking about all the time this whether it's trans agenda whatever you know political correctness and all that stuff, you're like, where does

Starting point is 01:19:25 this come from? Is it naturally occurring? Or is it something that is what there's a term for called astroturfing, which is where you present something as a naturally occurring movement? In reality is it's completely contrived by certain groups to create the illusion of a movement, right? So when I saw your notes about why would capitalists have back to revolutionary socialism? And I go, I think that's exactly what's happening today in this country.

Starting point is 01:20:04 You have something called ESG environmental social governance, being And I go, I think that's exactly what's happening today in this country. You have something called ESG, environmental social governance, being pushed by a firm called Black Rock and also Vanguard, plus a couple other ones, and they are giving credit to companies who use, who do certain social, environmental and economic things that earn credit, earn credit with them. A great example now is, I don't know if you guys know this, but the US soccer team is going to Qatar and without debate or a vote they are wearing a race. Oh, fuck, yes. And without debate or a vote, they are wearing they, they are is going to Qatar and without debate or a vote they are wearing a

Starting point is 01:20:49 rainbow logo. It's disrespectful to the flag. Nobody talked about it but why is it happening? Why is it just being just why is it go ahead? Because whoever made those logos whoever is running that show is trying to curry favor with these people in the ESG and the BlackRock so my question to you is Richard is that similar to things that we saw start to happen in Russia during this revolution? Well, go back to the simpler question. Why would, let's say a capitalist support socialist revolutionaries in the other circumstances? That is, why we should support someone espousing a doctrine

Starting point is 01:21:37 that argues for your extinction, one way or the other? Well, it's a very simple answer to that. and it's, in some ways, it's just pretty obvious. A capitalist will do that if they're worthy of the name, that for the same reason they do anything because there's money in it, because they found the way in which they can profit from that kind of situation. So, how could you profit? I mean, here's the situation, I'd say, I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I that I'm that I'm that I'm that I'm that I'm just just just just just just just just just just just just just just, I'm that that that that that that's just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just just just just, I'm just, I'm just, it, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just just just, it's just just just just just just just, it's just just just just just just. It's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's just, I that kind of situation. So how could you profit? I mean here's the situation which I say I mentioned that one of my books is is Wall Street and

Starting point is 01:22:13 the Russian Revolution. That deals directly with that question. And what I'm looking at there is that I might even looking at sort of German or British or other sort of capitalists who are also interested in in Russian political factors. But I'm largely focusing on figures on the American Financial Front, you know, people like William Boyce, Thompson. I mean, here's the prime example, Henry Ford, okay? Now there's an American capitalist that most people have heard of, you know, and Henry Ford was by no stretch of the imagination, a Marxist sympathizer. He had no interest in that.

Starting point is 01:22:51 What Henry Ford had a tremendous amount of interest in doing was in increasing the efficiency of production and everything else for an order for making more money. So one of the things that you find is that from the get-go, basically from the time in which the Bolsheviks, and the the th, and th, and th, and th, and th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the time in which the Bolsheviks, a movement which aspired towards a, through socialism, achieving communism, once they came into power, Ford was one of the first American corporations who lined up to do business with him. He never had a problem doing business with it. didn't have a problem doing business with Lennon. Now let's also remember something else about Henry Ford. What else was Henry Ford? He was a business genius. He was sort of father of many ways the modern American auto business. He was also an anti-Semite. He was he was a, he was a, oh, went on the whole international Jew pick for years,

Starting point is 01:23:47 bought an entire newspaper to essentially promulgate these ideas. So Henry Ford and Kanye West would have had a lot of talk about it and you bring them together. So Richard, real quick, Richard, let me ask you something. Why do you think so many people hate the Jews? Do you think it's because of their success and then running into them into business? What is it that? What just happened there? Okay. Are you still there, Richard? I'm still here. Okay. What do you think it is? Is there any historical evidence of what causes that? Well, you know, that's, it's a very interesting question. It would take a long time to really explain fully. But if I was to give a simple one of you,

Starting point is 01:24:45 what you had is that for centuries, Jews had lived in Europe, which is mostly what we're focused on, and as a semi-despised religious minority. So we just keep in mind from Germany to Poland to France or elsewhere, Jews had lived there. They're a very, they're a fairly small group of the population. They generally would tend to be isolated by their own laws and practices and by the laws within the country. They don't assume any particular importance. When if you go back to the 15th and 16th centuries, you don't find Jews in any real. They have no power. They are kind, they are a a a a, they are a, they are a they are a they are a they are a they are a they are a they are a they are a they are a they are a they are a they are a they are a very kind they are a very very very very very very very very very very very very very, th thi thi thi th small small small small small small small small small small, thi they're very very small small small small small small small small small small small small small small small small small, they they they're they're they're they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they are very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very they they they they they they are a they are a they are a they are very very, thi. they're very, thi. they are very very thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi they are very very very small, they're very they're very th and 16th centuries, you don't find Jews in any real.

Starting point is 01:25:25 They have no power. They are a kind of barely tolerated social group. And in a much less, you know, diverse Europe at the time, pretty much you just had the different populations. And Jews were one of the few significant foreign elements that sort of lived within these countries. So there was a long history than being distrusted and despised, all right? And that, but then in the 19th century, when you got into the era of business, you know,

Starting point is 01:25:59 and which your ancestry and land ownership didn't matter so much, but, you know, your Hutzpah did in terms of getting ahead, then one of the things you tend to define is that in the 19th century, social restrictions on Jews were removed. It's a period called Jewish emancipation, and it meant that they were essentially granted full citizenship, almost in almost all countries. Russia was very behind the times on that,

Starting point is 01:26:25 but elsewhere, by the late 19th century, Jews had the same rights as anybody else, which might not have been that many rights, but they tend to, they were sort of mainstreamed into the culture. And one of the things that, in that many people, Jews rose in the professions. So you tend to find to find find find find find find find find find find to find find to find to find to find to find to find to find to find to find to find to find their So you tend to define them heavily represented in things like legal professions, even in the medical professions,

Starting point is 01:26:51 the more sort of modern professions in which there were less sort of old restrictions to go into. So a lot of things changed in the 19th century. So I mean, one way to think about it is that in 1800, you know, sort of in Napoleon's time, the only way Sill that you lit the night was with fire. That was it. I mean, it was either a fire and a lantern or elsewhere, but that was the only thing that you could use to make darkness go away, which is a really sort of surprising thing

Starting point is 01:27:25 from our current state of illumination. It's like, you know, I've often described that living in the past was like camping all the time. So you go from this period where you only could light the night with fire, to then in 1900, imagine you now have electricity. All right. You have the ability to simply create permanent states, you know, illuminate buildings all the time you have, you know, if you're going to travel in 1800, how to get anywhere? A horse or a ship that was powered by the wind. And by 1900 you have, you know, huge ships powered by coal and by iron and diesel, you know, in 1903, the first airplane is going to take place.

Starting point is 01:28:10 So there's this huge amount that happens in that period, and that goes along with the development of industry and mass production, all of this stuff. And that was like any other change. It was good for some people, and it was bad for others. So one of the groups of people that the modern era was very, very bad for were skilled craftsmen and artisans. Because mass production, machines, those were the first people basically put out of business. Okay, all of this sort of, and then they had to find junk, know, then they, we did go to work as, you know, a laborer in some dark satanic mill somewhere instead of being a plasma. So, not everybody prospered in it. I mean, that never happens. Any kind of change, you know, the whole say it's Darwinian, I guess. They're going to be winners and there are going to be losers.

Starting point is 01:29:06 So there were a lot of people in the lower middle class, Moncrafspin, you know, farmers were perennially unhappy. And so you look around you in your situation, and you look around and you see that some people are getting better and you're not. And one of the things that you might notice in particular that some of the people are getting better is that some of those people were Jews and hey, I remember 20 years ago where, you know, they had to live behind a wall at the other end of town and now suddenly, you know, one of them is my boss or I'm going to borrow money from them in a bank. And this just seems like the world the world turned turned turned turned turned turned turned turned turned wruned wurturnededed wurturned wurturned world to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the world the world to be world the world the world the world the world turned upside down. So one of the things that happened is that the emancipation of Jews and the success of some, most remained as poor as anybody else, and the prominence of some, the prominence

Starting point is 01:29:57 of these former sort of marginalized people seemed to be symptomatic of everything that was wrong. I mean, if you thought the world was just turning shitty all of a sudden, then this somehow seemed to be symptomatic of everything that was wrong. I mean, if you thought the world was just turning shitty all of a sudden, then this somehow seemed to be connected to these Jews that previously had nothing in being successful. So how do these people end up being more important or more powerful than that was? So it was, it was a combination of the older religious prejudices now combined with these, these kind of, these kind of, these, ki.... kind of, ki, ki, ki, ki kind of, ki kind of, ki kind of, these kind of, these kind of, the kind of, the kind of, the kind of, the kind of, the kind of, the kind of, the kind of, the, the, the, the kind, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, see see see see see thin, thin, thin, thi, thin, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, was a combination of the older religious prejudices now combined with these kind of social and economic discontent and the focus for it. But it was, I mean, and, you know, and the poster children for, you know, Jewish success were the Roths child's happening. Okay, and the poster children for, you know, Jewish success for the Rothschild family.

Starting point is 01:30:46 Okay, and the Rothschilds were everything that people says about the Rothschilds. They were a tremendously powerful, wealthy, and influential Jewish banking family. Yeah. The question is, what does that have to do with millions of other Jews, you know, somebody who's a woodcutter in Poland, absolutely nothing? I agree with all this. I think that what we do is we like to make generalizations and, you know, you really shed light on the fact that, you know, you go from a class that isn't allowed to participate, figuring out how to survive, so you kind of, like, you kind of huddle up together together together together together together together together together together together together together..... And together together together. And to, and now, and now, and to, and to, and to, and to, and to, and to, and, and, and, and, th. to, th. th. thi. thi participate, figuring out how to survive,

Starting point is 01:31:25 so you kind of like, you kind of huddle up together, and now suddenly you have this opportunity where you're allowed access to everything that you weren't before, but you still have that mentality of huddling up together. Most groups do this. It's just we give, you know, you always hear Brian Kailin talk about the Dagestanis and why they're so great at MMA because they do two things in a life. They worship Allah and they train fighting.

Starting point is 01:31:53 That's all they do. So you're going up, if you're fighting a Dagestanisanis, and you've got a girlfriend, and you're on social media, you're now diverting some of your time to something else. Mexicans do that. Do construction in law more? Should we just pick something else to stick to? Well, it just begins, what is your niche? That's what I'm saying, we have a bad niche. So if you look at the Latins, they did find all this labor is a industry that they could flourish in. And now, you got, you got Mexicans coming up, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Do, th. Do, th, th, the to the tho, the to th their to tho, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the their th. Do, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. Do th. Do th. Do thiiiii, thii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. Do thi. Do thi. Do throw. Do the. Do to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to they could flourish in.

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Starting point is 01:32:46 Yeah, and like it's the exact same thing. It's the exact same thing. Now, here's my opinion on the Rothschilds. Based on everything I know about Bill Gates, about Jeff Bessos, about Elon Musk, and even this kid, SBF that has this giant, um, uh, this cryptotytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytytyty, thyc, thy, thy, thy, thy, thy, thy, thy, thy, thy, thy, thy, thy, thy, thy, thy, thy, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. It's, thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. thi, it's thi, it's thi SBF that has this giant this crypto thing crashing right Sam something Friedman or something. Yeah, but the story's never what you think it is. Okay, so who is who is mayor Rothschilds the guy who kicks it all off? Who is his parent? Who does he write? Like we never talk about who was that guy's dad or that guy? So that? Um, that guy, um, so that that that? Um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, th, th, uh, uh, th, th, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, th, th, th, th, th th th this, uh, this, this, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th, thi, thi, thi, thy, th, th th thy, th thi, thy, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, ilds, the guy who kicks it all off, who is his parent, who does he write?

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Starting point is 01:34:05 There is this narrative right now that white people only take care of white people and then you and thin You and that's where you get the conflict from is that? Okay, white people take care of white people, but then you like so so you'll see a meme. It'll be like all these people are? the people are Jewish, and their, and the, and their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, so, so, so, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, they. is, is, is, they. their, is. their, is. they. their. their. their. their. their, is, is, is, is. the Jews run this. It's like, well, I don't really think that the, just because they are all Jewish doesn't mean that that group of people runs it. It just means a certain academic group got in there. Do you understand what I'm saying? So, which I'm sure they're gonna get cut up and I'm gonna get annihilated on the internet for saying that. But I just think when we, when a a a a a a a a group a group a group a group a group a group a group a group a group a group a group a group a group a group a group a group a group a group a group a group a group a group a group a group a group a group a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their the the their their their their their their their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the group., groupau., and then you start judging everybody instead of judging individuals. Now there's, now sitting there going, there are,

Starting point is 01:34:51 there's no Jews out there, it goes back to Dave Chappell's joke, right? That you know, it's like when it's blacks, it's a gang, when it's Italians, it's a mob, when it's Jews, it's a coincidence, right? That's his joke, right? And the reality is, is like, there are Jews who are up to some shady shit. Are they doing it because they're Jewish? I don't think so. They're doing it because they're shady and they have to be Jewish. That's my, that's where I come from.

Starting point is 01:35:16 So that's where that's where that. we wrap it up here. All these people like Lenin, Stalin, chose, how do you pronounce it, Trosisci or what how do you, Trotsky? Trotsky, sorry, sorry about that. I'm an idiot. What roles do they have in all this? What are they? What are the roles that they have in this revolution? And can we see anybody like that here today in America? Okay, so if you tell you about the Russian, you know, the names that come up, Soviet history are Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin. So those are the kind of triumphs. So let's start with the guy who maybe is the most important because I think his history

Starting point is 01:35:58 illustrates a number of the number of thinks. Because you know Lenin is the founder the the the the the the the the the the the the the the founder of the Soviet state. He's the founder of the Bolshevik Party. He is Mr. Bolshevik. There would be no Bolsheviks without him. So who was he? Well, you know, one of the things you so often find with people is that his real name wasn't Lenin that was a revolutionary sort of seed name. He took, you know, that, that, that, that, that, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thu-in, thu-in, thu, the, thi, that's that's that's thu-a, thu-a, thu-a, th. th. tho, tho, the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the, the, the the, th. He, th. He, th. He, th. He was th. He was th. He was th. He was th. He was the, the, that's that's the. He was theeeeean, thean, thean, that's tho. tho. thean, thean, tho. He's thean, tho. He was theeee. He wastook, you know, that, and Israeli was Ulyanov. Okay, so his name was Vladimir Ilij Ulyanov.

Starting point is 01:36:29 And what he was is that he actually came from, did he come from an impoverished family of peasants or a family of poor workers? No, he came from a relatively, he came from the background that if you look closely, you will find a lot of history's revolutionaries come from, which is essentially, the sort of a the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, came from the background that if you look closely you will find a lot of history's revolutionaries come from, which is essentially the sort of a fluent upper middle class or even the upper class. Now in Lenin's case, not only was his father a fairly well-off government official, he was kind of a district school inspector. Think of it, yeah, nothing terribly important. But what made the Ulyano important was that they were part of the hereditary nobility. And now that they, his Lenin's father entered the family into that because it is service to the Tsarist state.

Starting point is 01:37:20 So one of the things that you could do, this is kind of interesting in Zaris, Russia, is that you could, through governmental service, military or civil service, you know, like being a school official, you could eventually, if you reached a high enough rank, you could enter yourself, your family could be established in the nobility, which did give you certain noble privileges. So they weren't exactly ancient nobility, but linen was born a hereditary nobleman, that they kind of sink in. So in other words, the man who was later to become the founder of modern communism was born into the hereditary nobility of Russia. Now, one of the reasons why I think that's important is because it's a way of, you know,

Starting point is 01:38:12 Lenin's growing up in the late 19th century, and while nobles were only a small portion of the Russian population, the point is there actually were quite a few of them. And the other thing that was changing in this period was, well, notice the job that Lenin's dad had, district school inspector, again, you know, not something terribly important, and that was it. Being a noble didn't count for much anymore. You know, it didn't mean that much. So one of the things you'll tend to find among elites, you know, people who are born into privilege or an elite status like that and will generally try to maintain it.

Starting point is 01:38:54 And what sometimes will happen is that elites will try to sort of re-imagine themselves. And it's one of the reasons why a revolutionary movement would attract people like Lenin or others. And by the way, he wasn't rare. He wasn't the only hereditary nobleman among the Bolsheviks. That is Antifa. All these people are rich kids, railing against the system that their fathers and grandfathers established. Now that is Hollywood, that is this is exactly what you heard

Starting point is 01:39:33 the Malcolm Max talk about, this is exactly what you heard a Unibomber talk about, this is exactly what it is. White liberals of affluent are dangerous. This is exactly. That's at the top though, right? I mean, because they did mobilize an entire groundswell of like commoners. Yeah, but the guy who kicks it all. But I'm saying, at the top, it is elites, right? But eventually, I think you're saying that most of the Antifa you'll find today, and I agree, are privileged people. But with the Russian Revolution, I mean, we're talking about...

Starting point is 01:40:07 Well, because they didn't have the internet and all that stuff, and you were just hearing like the news, I mean, it gets super deep, but this is, this is, the same game plan gets played over and over and over and over again. And it's just like, let's take the kids the kids the kids the kids the kids their and let's their and let's their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, these kids, right, they're throwing soup on these paintings. They're all rich kids, and the person, funny you get to stop the oil, the oil is a oil baron. She makes money and oil. I guess I, what I'm trying to say is,

Starting point is 01:40:37 I feel like we're doing them almost a favoring to the Russian Revolution because I feel like this is just so comparatively small. It's just I disagree. I disagree. You don't think there are I don't feel like a lot of people are engaged in this shit at all. Well I think right now it's like a different phase but Debront, I mean Johnny, take a look at what was going on in like 2019. They were burning outside our art. You're the one that's normally tel me how small those. th. th. th. th. the th. th. the th. th. the th. th. th. the the th. th. th. th. the th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. the th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I don't. I don't. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th're the one that's normally telling me how small those those events were. Well, I, the point is that I'm trying to make is like, no, there were, the actual group of people. I think it's a small group of people. I mean, maybe. Elites. Thoughts, Richard, am I off. It's an interesting question. I mean, it's an interesting question. was the Russian Revolution the expression of a mass movement?

Starting point is 01:41:25 So it's like another one of those questions I think was, you know, was it was one of those things that just was accidental or was it part of some sort of inevitable, was the revolution inevitable? And that's interesting because if you look at the revolutionary parties, so, I mean, let's look at things in terms of numbers. So the Bazar's Empire, around 1910, you know, in the year of the years leading up to the revolution, there were probably 170 million people. Doesn't sound like that much today, but that was one of the biggest

Starting point is 01:42:04 countries in the world of time. So there was about a hundred and seventy million people. It doesn't sound like that much today, but that was one of the biggest countries in the world of time. So there was about 170 million people. So, and a large number of those people were impoverished. You know, 80% of the population are still basically subsistence dirt farmers for the most part of it. You know, and that itself wasn't too else. So there was a lot of economic discontent. There was a lot of political discontent.

Starting point is 01:42:31 Now what you have to do is you look at a population which is about 80% peasant. And, you know, in many ways often, you know, fairly uneducated, you know, a lot of ignorant peasants within the country. And then you had a working class that worked under fairly, you know, fairly bad conditions, even by the time. You have a kind of small middle class, you know, by the middle class, I'm talking about the people who are essentially involved in trade or commerce or manufacturing or the professions. Now. So the people who are essentially involved in trade or commerce or manufacturing

Starting point is 01:43:06 or the professions. So the middle class includes things like doctors and lawyers and bank presidents, but it also includes business, you know, people who are involved in trade and manufacture. But it really determined how much money you have, by what it was, you did. how much money you had, but by what it was, you did. And then you had a nobility, which was above that. And the nobility was, you know, they could own, they could do all of the other things anybody else could do, but their background was basically owning land and also, of course, having

Starting point is 01:43:38 being a noble. So there was a lot of, there was a huge amount of social and economic unrest. So there was, you know, there are a lot of pissed off people. Just like in the US today, let's face it, there are a lot of pissed off people. And if you look around in most societies at an immigrant point in time, you don't have to look very hard to find a fair number of pissed off people. There's always some sort of groups that that tend then the the the the the the the the the the there there there there there there there there there there there there there was there was there was a fair number of pissed off people. There's always some sort of groups that tend to feel disenfranchised. So there was a movement, a revolutionary movement that developed, mostly where in Russian universities, because it was considered there

Starting point is 01:44:16 that universities were simply the schools for revolutionaries, because while most people who went there didn't become revolutionaries, virtually all people who did gravitate to revolutionary parties, at some point went to college, where they got radicalized and they kicked out of college, and then and then went into this. But if you look at the membership of the radical party, so let's think about, we've got an empire of 170 million people. So in 1910, how many people out of that empire, 170 billion people remember, were part of Marxist revolutionary parties, of which the Bolsheviks were only one faction, keep them on.

Starting point is 01:45:00 But if we lumped all the Marxists together, how many people were actively involved in Marxist activities? Maybe a quarter of a million, maybe 250,000, and that's at the outside, out of 170 million. And then if you looked at, there are others, how many were involved in anarchist activities? I mean, the Bolsheviks were not even a particularly large party. You know, if you put it all together, you probably had among active revolutionaries and their their their their their their their their their their.... And their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybeiks were not even a particularly large party. You know, if you put it all together, you probably had among active revolutionaries and their sympathizers, you might have had one to two million people overall. And I'm talking about people who are sort of active revolutionaries involved in conspiratorial cells to people who are just, you know, we kind of help them out, you know, maybe too many, again, out of a hundred and seventy

Starting point is 01:45:48 million. So here's one of the things to keep in mind about, about how history is run. And there's this idea that history is, is in some way influenced by what the mass of people believe or do, almost never is. History is run by active minorities. If you look at any kind of, if you look at any political system, you always find that what is in control of it is a fairly small, close-knit minority of some kind. They may be unified around a religious idea, they may be unified around a political idea, but what you basically had in Russia in this period is that the active revolutionary movement consisted probably, again, of several hundred thousand to maybe a couple

Starting point is 01:46:36 of a million people, although the active members of those were fairly small. Now, that's not a tiny movement, but it's not really a mass movement, and it's not like these parties ever went out and actively tried to organize every everybody into this. They were all very clearly controlled. So what Lennon did, Lennon started out as a member of what was called the Social Democratic Party, and the Social Democratic Party was the Marxist Party. They were Marxian socialists. And by the way, I guess that raises the question, are there non-Marxian socialists?

Starting point is 01:47:15 Yeah, but not much anymore. Okay, but at one time there was. But Marxism sort of took over that whole sort of term. So the Marxists, of course, were emphasis on what? They were most interested in the working class, you know, factory workers. And there were hundreds of thousands of factory workers, a couple of million factory workers in Russia, but again, not very many. So not surprisingly, the biggest revolutionary party in Russia was a thing called the socialist,

Starting point is 01:47:47 the socialist revolutionary party or the social revolutionary party, and it was more anarchist than Marxist. The SRs weren't really doctrinaire Marxists, and also they were focused on the peasants. Although if you tend to look at the leadership of the party, the one thing thing, the one thing you, the thing, you know, the things, th, th, th, thi, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, the the the the the thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, the thi, the the the, the, the, the socialist, the socialist, the socialist, the socialist, the socialist, the socialist, the socialist, the socialist, the socialist, the socialist, the socialist, the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the thi, thi, the thi, the thi, the thi, and, they were focused on the peasants. Although if you tend to look at the leadership of the party, the one thing you're very hard pressed to find is a peasant in the same way that if you look in the Bolsheviks or the Marxist parties and you look in the upper echelons, the higher to go, the fewer people who ever were even got near a factory was there. And Lenin never worked a day in his life in a factory.

Starting point is 01:48:31 He was partially trained to be a lawyer. That was the only kind of training. How surprising that he would have. No, you never worked in a factory. You knew nothing about the day-to-day life of the proletariat in Russia. What about Trotsky? No, Trotsky came from, and here again, Trotsky came from a well-to-do Jewish family and what's today Ukraine,

Starting point is 01:48:52 and his father was in business, and Trotsky's mother came from a wealthy family. He had three millionaire uncles. Well, two of them were at least millioners. The other one was just rich. Back in the day, that's a lot of money, dude. He's surrounded by all of these. He comes from a background of wealth, but he becomes a Marxist revolutionary.

Starting point is 01:49:15 Still on pretty good terms of his family, though. You know, he and Uncle Aubram, the chief millionaire got along just fine because Uncle Abram always thought there was some way he could possibly make money off of. If my nephew ends up the head of the Soviet state, well, you know, that could be good for the family under these kind of circumstances. But no, did Trotsky ever work a day in his life as a fact? No. He was kind of a half-ass journalist most of the time, but he was also a full-time revolutionary, which he was waiting for history to make a job for it, but eventually it did. And then Joseph Stalin, well, Stalin spent time in,

Starting point is 01:49:54 you know, he's not an ethnic Russian, he's from kind of the Sicily of the Russian Empire from Georgia. And he came, he actually came from the closest you could could, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the theymea, they.o, the they.e.e.e.e.e.e.e, was, was, was, was, the, the, the, actually came from the closest you could call to a kind of poor background. I mean, it wasn't so much that his family was poor, it's just as his father was, you know, a near to well. I mean, they just didn't do well. It was kind of downwardly, socially mobile. So, but still, Stalin, you know, spent time in a seminary, you know, he trained for a while at the priest to it, he had some kind of, but again, it's sort of gravitated into the, into the revolutionary underground. But no, he wasn't a factory worker. And if you go further down the Bolshevik hierarchy, the Soviet hierarchy, there's, you know, they're, the sons, or in some cases, the daughters, the daughters, the daughters, the daughters, their daughters, their daughters, there's, you know, they're the sons, or in some cases, the daughters, you know,

Starting point is 01:50:45 school superintendents, you know, factory managers. Usually people, you know, again, from the middle classes, who, yeah, I think often with good intentions are, are, but if you get into the situation, the people who are leading the struggle for the liberation of the working class aren't from the working class. Yeah. And there's always this, inevitably, that sort of brings in this sort of, well, you can see it in this country. And if you tend to look in terms of what we would call the the American elite or the American establishment. Well those people who are

Starting point is 01:51:28 generally on television or in the news media and who view themselves as you know people of intellect and education is the one thing is the way in which they actively despise a large part of the American public as being ignorant Hicks. Yes. All right. I mean that pretty much if you want to go back to to to to to to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go to go the to go the the the to go th th th. th. th. th. tho tho thus thus tho tho tho tho those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those those th. th. th. th. th. th th th th the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. Those people tho. Those people who tho. Those people tho. Those people tho. Those people those tho. ignorant Hicks. Yes. Yes. All right? I mean, that pretty much, if you want to go back to it, the way in which the American elite has always thought of most of their countrymen is a bunch of ignorant Hicks, which God has appointed them the elite to govern. You could tell that drink. If you remember during the end of the BLM marches, I would play that, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th th th th th th th th thi, I thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, tha thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-a thi-a, thi-a tha th elite to govern. If you remember, if you remember during the end of the BLM marches, I would play a game

Starting point is 01:52:08 called Find a Black Person at the BLM march, and it was all white women, middle and upper class marching in those things. And this gets down to something I think is, are wiring on this desire for fight and flight. And if you're born into an aristocratic family or upper middle to upper class, that's all taken care of. And in my humble opinion, you search out that. Even if it's somebody else's fight or flight. You search it out so you can fight for them because you need that. That's, we crave it. And that's why you see these same people, the same basic game plan being played here right now.

Starting point is 01:52:52 Right now. That was played in Russia for the Bolshevik revolution. Do you think people now, like Antifa, or they, is activated? Because I'm extrapolating the numbers you mentioned there, a couple hundred thousand. You said maybe up to two million total people involved in the revolution. Which if you multiplied that by the number of people in our country, we're talking, what, three, four million people, which I just don't think Antifa has that many people in its numbers, not at all, that are, that, that, that that that are, that are, that are, that all, that are activated, like the people

Starting point is 01:53:25 you're talking about during the revolution. Do you, I mean, do you think there's really a, there's no threat to overthrow the government in the country right now, though, right? It's more of a societal war, what do you say? I think, early or in the process? What do you mean? It's like they're getting together, the more antipas getting together. I just feel like we're, I, I'm just not, I'm not afraid of those people. I don't know, I just, I've never seen any of them that scared me.

Starting point is 01:53:55 You know what I mean? Right, right. Right. Right. But eventually, eventually, it, what, so, all they th they they they they they they they they they they they they they talk about now is civil war. That's all they talk about. Both sides. Both sides.

Starting point is 01:54:09 Yeah, that's on both sides. So it's like. I think that's the media too. I don't hear anybody I know talking about. We'll figure it out. I don't know. Richard, thank you so much for coming on. This is I love this. conversation. This was wonderful and I think it's a very important conversation

Starting point is 01:54:25 to have and one of the few places you can have this is here on this show. One more time, tell them where they can find you and all your lectures on the internet. Well the main place to look for me if you're interesting things I've known would be go to the great courses or one dream. Google my name Richard Spence and you'll find the great courses or Wundrium, Google my name, Richard Spence, and you'll find the courses I've done there. The Real History of Secret Societies, Crimes of the Century, and most recently, Secrets of the Occult. And you can go to Amazon, and again, look for me and find my books, you know, the one most relevant today, Wall Street and the Russian Revolution, but the others are there as well. And, you know, I have I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have, I have the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their, their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their their, their, their their, the Russian Revolution, but the others are there as well.

Starting point is 01:55:05 And you know, I have a lot of unhealthy arcane interests that I'm always more than happy to share with you. And I would just, you know, the one thing I would just add anything to today would be is that if you find anything now that you like or that you don't like. If you find anything going on the world today, at some point in the past, in some way, it all happened before. 100% were 100%.

Starting point is 01:55:37 That's from the Matrix. You're different than the ones that happened before. Great conversation. Thank you all for tuning in. Love you guys very much. Again, got big shows coming tonight. We're in the rec room in Huntington Beach and then I'm in Ventura on the weekend. Saturday night, come see me. I'm going to do stand-up, and then Ratton and Raven for an hour. Just going to talk about the world that is. I love you all very much. I hope you enjoy this episode. I know I did. Thank you guys and we will see you soon. Take care. That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron! This is only the beginning. You just blew my mind.

Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #622: The Bolshevik Revolution Of America With Richard Spence

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