Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #626: The Fossil Fuel and Climate Change Psyop With Alex Epstein and Tino Sanchez

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Starting point is 00:03:51 click the Timful Hat T-shirt.com link and grab those, because once Christmas is done, those shirts are done. Enjoy the show. Okay let's get into a very excited for the day show. This is a topic I've been wanting to talk about for a long time we've had a couple episodes on climate change and all that stuff but I think this topic. He's got two books out. One is, but I think this topic is a big part of that. He's got two books out. One is called, let me see this one,

Starting point is 00:04:29 Fossil Future and the other one is called a moral case for fossil fuels. Please welcome, Alex Epstein. How are your brother? Good to be here. Thanks. I'm glad we made that happen too. And he actually turned me on too on too o on too o on too o on too o on tooooooo too too, tho, tho, tho, that, that, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, let, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let tho, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, let, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho, let, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. thoo. tho. thoooo. tho. tho. tho,too and also joining us. He actually turned me on to your book and he was telling me all about it and it's really fun to walk around with Tino when we're at like some comedy festival and people like, hey I love Tim Foll High.

Starting point is 00:04:53 He's like, hey, I'm Tino Sanchez, like, I did that once. No, you did that like three times. No, you did that like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, t.. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. the. the. tthe show? Yeah, but I was joking. You just made it sound like I was sitting there like XG going, hey, can I fly you in for the night? You were doing that at that. You were doing that at the commune place we're doing that. Yeah, I was joking. I said, hey, by the way, you know Tino?

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Starting point is 00:05:46 those topics where it's like and we've done a couple of these recently and it's just like where there's a mainstream narrative and then there's like what the facts say and I feel like fossil fuel is a great example of that in my humble opinion that it's like we're told one thing when it's really another thing. So before we get into all that, can you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself and where they can find you? Sure.

Starting point is 00:06:15 Yeah, so I mean, actually, part of my background is relevant here because, like I was a philosopher who became an energy expert, and we'll talk about it, I think, I think the way the way the way the way the way the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, the way, but I think the way we think about fossil fuels it's pretty easy to see. It doesn't make any sense. And just to quickly say, like, two things about the climate issue. One is we talk about climate change, which is an alleged negative side effect of fossil fuels, but notice we almost never talk about the benefits of fossil fuels. So that would be insane if you were thinking about a prescription drug, you know, you only think about the negative side effects, not the benefits. Yet it's been super commonplace for decades to talk about fossil fuels negatives, but not talk about say, hey, they make it possible for 8 billion people to be fed, because they provide the fertilizer and they provide the diesel fuel.

Starting point is 00:06:54 And we're seeing now we have an energy crisis because people, then the second thing is we have this assumption that climate change, which really means man-made climate change, must be bad and it must be terrible. But that's a really weird assumption, like why the fact that we did it makes it bad? And so as a philosopher, part of what motivated me to get into this is I saw there was this obvious ignoring of one-half of the issue, and turns out to be more than one-halfhalf, because the benefits, because the benefits, because the benefits, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, because, the benefits, the benefits, the benefits, the, to-a, thi, to-in, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, thi, the, their, thi, their, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their-i. is, and, and, and, and, thi-s, and, and, and, thi-s, and, and, and, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thee. thi. the. thi. thi. turns out to be more than one half, because the benefits are way more significant than any negatives. And then two, there is this clearly, in my view, anti-human bias, where we assume that if we're impacting the climate, it must be bad, and I was really interested in what happens if you look at the full picture or the it's actually pretty obvious, fossil fuels are good, and we should use more of them. So I have, I kind of have a very contrary position, but I think it's actually very common sense

Starting point is 00:07:51 if you step back and think, hey, how do we think about this? I'm very much aligned with that as well. That is the whole purpose of this show. You know, when I started this show, nobody wanted to do a show called Tim Fall Hat because, you know, it's such a demonized term, but I used it on purpose. And the whole point of this show is that, you know, it's like, I just don't like getting lied to and I just, over time, you would start watching like what the narrative was on the media versus what, like, let's say, the streets were like talking about, and well, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th.e, th.e, th.e.e.e.e.e. they. they. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, let's say the streets were, like, talking about, well, and that how they weren't aligning. And that thing always interests me that discussion, and the more and more I discussed about

Starting point is 00:08:30 it. So I'm sure this book is a couple of years, first books a couple years old, and you know, now, you wrote a second book. Yeah, this one actually replaces it. This one is just an artifact. Nobody needs to get it anymore. I can just get this one. Throw that out. No, only again. So we have your second book, which is the book to get. And is it just more detailed or is there's a different thought? In the first one?

Starting point is 00:08:54 This one is, I think of it as a replacement. So it's like the difference between an iPhone 10. There is about, honestly. the the the the th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, is like, is, is like, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. Is thi. Is thi. Is a thi. Is a thi. Is a the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, is, is, is, is, is, is, there is about, honestly, there's about 1% of the material in here that is not in here. So if you are really fascinated by me and want to know everything I've ever thought, make sure to read chapter 8 of the first book. Because it has a couple things in it. I already used way more words in this one

Starting point is 00:09:16 than the publisher thought was advisable. So I had to stop somewhere. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, to, to, to, to, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are th. to th. to to to to to to to to to to th. to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to, are really really, are really, are really, are to to to to to to to to th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th stop somewhere. Is there a number they tell you? We'd like you'd be around 50,000 or whatever. Well, you sort of, you have a contract that says, estimated between 80 and 90,000. And so it's 135,000. Yeah. But, but, you know, what we've seen is there are books this length or even longer that do really well. So, for example, we were talking about him in a a a a a th again, I th again, I th again, I th. th. thi about thi about thi about thi about thi about thi about thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I I I I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I. I thi. I thi. I thi. I's. I was to. I was to. I was to. I'm toe. I'm toe. I'm toe. I've toea. I toea. I'ma. I've. I've. I'ma. I have toea. I have toea. I've toe. I've th., we were talking about him in advance, my buddy Michael Schellenberger, who's been on Rogan a couple of times and ran unfortunately unsuccessfully for governor of California. He has a book

Starting point is 00:09:50 called Apocalypse Never. That's about the same line. It's either Republican guy that was running? No, no, no. He wasn't, he ran as an independent and so he thrown as an independent. And so he lost in the primary. It's very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the primary. the primary. the primary. the the primary. the the primary. the the primary. the the the the primary. the the the the the primary. the the the the the the to to to to to to to his candidacy proved that because he has a lot of mainstream appeal, he got a lot of exposure and still got very few votes, you know, even relative to the main Republican whom nobody knew. Yeah, nobody knew. And Newsom didn't do well with running against the ghost, which was the Republican. Like to this day, nobody could. I go, what's the thing? Nobody knew. Which makes me wonder how is the, like to this day nobody can name who the guy was. Nobody could. I go, what's the thing? Uh, nobody knew, which makes me wonder how is that possible?

Starting point is 00:10:30 Well, because it's, the media, it's considered, I mean, it's understandably considered a losing proposition. So if you say, hey, do you want to run for governor and you are absolutely, as a Republican, and you think you're absolutely guaranteed to lose, it's a limited universe of people who want to do that. Right. But the guy who assumes that role of I'm going to lose probably, right? Will you lose me on this? I feel like you're libertarian, right? Because I, the Wikipedia, is it correct? Libert. Kato, Iron, all that? Yeah. Yeah. so technically it'd be like objectivist as the the philosophical term and then libertarian is kind of a sloppy term because I'm pro having a good military. So I'm not anti-government but I'm pro very limited. It's very interesting.

Starting point is 00:11:15 But the guy who picked the B Republican picked knowing he was going to lose and still nobody talked about him. Even in the end, I saw nobody in the independent media talking about him. So do you know his name? I don't know his name. I think it's Brian Dolly? Yeah, I mean like how crazy is that? That makes me wonder why nobody talked about, and even though if it's a losing thing, why? Why did everyone know Larry Elders but not know this guy? In any way, even though he had debate, nobody was who thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I'm thi. I'm theee. I'm th. I'm thi. I thi. thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I th guy. In any way, even though we had debate, nobody knew who he was. It's interesting and it goes how deep does this go which is along lines of what we're talking about here. You know, this show we've always talked about how like everything is this kind of long plan, right? This long

Starting point is 00:11:59 plan to kind of set up a way of thinking. And for me, man, they've slowly, slowly corraled us into these big cities, right? We got these huge cities and a lot of our taste makers live in these big cities. Very rarely do you see a taste maker who lives in a very tiny town. It happens here and there, but for the most part,'s people in big cities mostly New York, LA, used to be San Francisco not so much but maybe a Miami here and there but they're all big cities right? So when you live in this big city you think everywhere is big city and then you start talking about things like overpopulation and all these things that lead people to believe in climate change. You know they

Starting point is 00:12:44 mistake in my humble opinion believe in climate change. You know, they mistake, in my humble opinion, pollution for climate change. I mean, I've been to China. You go there, you breathe in, you feel little daggers going down your throat because you're getting used to the pollution that is in there. And I know you address pollution and what that represents. But it's like people mistake those two. So it's very easy to think there's too many of us. When you're stuck, you're on the 405 and there's eight lanes and they're all packed. And you're like, there's just too many of us right here.

Starting point is 00:13:16 You know, go to, go to Montana, go to Nebraska. Iowa, it's empty. It's empty. It's empty. Just drive from Vegas to LA. Yeah, it's empty. It's empty. There's 80 miles from here to Phoenix

Starting point is 00:13:32 that has nothing. And if you don't get gas before the 80 miles, and you run out, you're fucked. And they got a whole system set up to to tow you for a billion dollars to charge you a million dollars gas. So there's interesting things going on. So I mean, I think kind of a lot of people have the sense with narratives that like there's something wrong with, you know, what's being communicated. And I think there's one category, which is kind of the most obvious category of facts are being distorted. So the institutions were relying on to tell us like what is the truth about the world are somehow distorting things. So, you know, something like 97% of climate scientists agree that we face climate catastrophe.

Starting point is 00:14:13 Like this is not true at all if you look into the the journalism of it. The 97 fabrication. Yeah, so it's got this now it's a distortion because in a sense 97% agree that we have some impact but that's totall. the is tha. tha. the the the the th. th. th. the the th. th. th. th. th. the, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. to, to, thi. to thi. to to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. some impact, but that's totally different than catastrophe. And I think, but my view is there are a lot of these factual distortions, but actually what often happens more is, is two things. At least, one is just thinking distortion. So I mentioned ignoring benefits and only paying attention to side effects. So that's a huge one, right? Because if we've gotten, the culture, the culture, the culture, the culture, the culture, the culture, the culture, the culture, the culture, the culture, the culture, the culture, the culture, the culture, the culture, the culture, the culture, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to, to, thi, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, thi, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. toe. th. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. My, toe. My, toe. My, toe. My, to. paying attention to side effects. So that's a huge one, right? Because if we've gotten, the culture's gotten everyone to look at fossil fuels and ignore the benefits. And so so many people think, oh, it's free.

Starting point is 00:14:51 Like it's free to lose fossil fuels. This was really a mainstream view. And not just among dumb people, among smart people, you could smart people saying, hey, theyrific, to, to, to, to, to, and, and, to, and, and, to, and, and, to, and, to, and, to, and, to, and, and, to, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, to, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the................. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, the. thethink of any downside to that, even though it was obvious, if you can say. So one kind of, when you see things going wrong, one thing is to think about like, what's going wrong with the thinking? Like, even if people have the facts right, if you're thinking about it wrong, you'll ignore certain crucial facts. And then another thing which relates to narratives and population is what assumptions are people, the to th, th, th, to to th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thu and, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, what's, thi, thi, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's things things, what's things, what's things, what's things, what's things, what's things, what's th. th, what's th, what's th, what's th, what's th, what's th, what's th, what's th, what's th, what's th, what's th, th. th, what's thu, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thooooooooooooooo, what's th, what's thi, what's thi, model of the earth, like has too many people.

Starting point is 00:15:25 And it's usually related to the earth has a very limited pool of resources. And that's like a mental model that I call it part of the delicate nurture model where the earth is this nurturing thing, but it only gives us a limited amount of resources. And so the idea is, you know, it's like it gives us a pizza, and then we're, if there are too many of us, we eat the pizza, and then we have to eat the box, and then there's nothing left. It's like that model of resources.

Starting point is 00:15:49 And it turns out to be a totally false model of resources. So if you look at resources, resources, the totally useless to our pretty recent ancestors. They're man-made resources. We created value where there is nothing. And as long as we're free to create, we can turn basically anything into a resource. But if you have the resource creation model, you don't become afraid of overpopulation,

Starting point is 00:16:17 but if you have the resource, like nature gives us finite resources, then you become afraid of it. And with so many things, people have mental models and thinking methods that they don't question. And in particular, when the people you're told are experts have thinking methods and mental models, it's so common to just say, well, I can't question that. But in both of the cases I'm mentioning, the models they're using are, the thinking is obviously wrong, and anyone with common sense can't, and th.. and th. and th. and th and thi. And thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, and thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi, thin, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the the the the the people, the people, the the people, the the people, the thi, the the the the thi, the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thin, is thi. thin. thi. thi. thini. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th with common sense can know the way we're thinking about resources doesn't make any sense because otherwise the caveman would have been awash in resources and we would have none because we have 8 billion people and it's the opposite, right? We're 8 billion people with rich, riches compared to the caveman.

Starting point is 00:16:58 I think you're totally right. I think you can make anything, you can make anything seem like it's happening based on what highlights, what pattern you highlight. You could see that happen all the time. That's a big stuff that we've studied on this forever. You could you can make by what was it? Oh man I did it with Brian Kell and P-dotting it's called, I believe it's called P-dotting. And it's basically where they cherry-pick the data that they're going to highlight for you. And they do that a lot. P-hacking.

Starting point is 00:17:36 P-hacking. There we go. P-hacking. And it's, we're going to highlight this data and we're going to show you this data and we're going to present it as it's all the data and the only important data when there's probably a lot more data on. That's a perfect example of just like the data they're presenting, it could be a fact, right? They could be presenting you facts, but they're distorting because they're presenting a distorted picture of what the full picture. And the the full picture and the they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their, their their, their, their their, their, their their, their their, their their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only only their their their their o' their only only only only only only only only only only only their, their, their, their, their, the full picture and one example is climate deaths like you'll see oh this person died of climate in Pakistan and this person died here and you get the impression that well we have way more deaths from climate I mean I certainly thought that before I investigated it's actually

Starting point is 00:18:13 very clearly documented we have a 98% decline in deaths from climate disasters in the last hundred years so so a typical person is one 50th is likely to die from a storm flood. But you would never know that, right? Because whenever someone... That's what climate death is, like natural catastrophe, stuff like that. Right, right, but part of it is how it's the danger, there's a huge amount of danger naturally, but if we, we have the ability to master that danger, right? If you build sturdy buildings and you thir with drought and you move crops from places that have crops to places that are drought-stricken, you know, you save millions and millions of lives a year.

Starting point is 00:18:49 But the picture we're given, again, you could just, the news could, you know, what do we have like, in a given year, it might have 10 or 20,000 climate disaster deaths. Think about that, how few that is relative to other things. But the media could just highlight like thiiiiiiiiii that that that that that that that that that that thi thi thi that thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi, thi, thi. thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. thi. thi. toeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. thi. thi. thi. thi. th as relative to other things. But the media could just highlight a hundred of them and act like it's the apocalypse and act like a hundred years ago as paradise, even though you often had millions of climates. It's, it's, you have to be so aware of this dynamic that, particularly with journalism, that like, as soon as journalism is trying to show you trends, there is infinite room for manipulation. Like journalism's job is really to just kind of be your eyes and ears on the ground, but when they are documenting trends you have to be really worried because most of these people have no clue of what the trends are and if they're trying to show trends it's often an agenda.

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Starting point is 00:20:15 what the people want seem to be two different things. Am I breaking up? Okay, I mean, I'm not touching it, but. Yeah, yeah. The interesting thing is that if we go, so supposedly, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, th. th. to. to, so, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to. to. to. the, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. t. t. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. touching it, but the interesting thing is that if we go so supposedly we're killing the planet with fossil fuels and you said 98% drop in debt in any kind of global warming deaths or anything or not warming but climate deaths. Yeah climate disaster climate deaths so the thing is is like by their models by their science since the 70s and before,

Starting point is 00:20:47 they predicted, you know, that there be a billion people dead by 2020, that the UK would be, you know, an uninhabitable island. And then what the thing is is that if we use more fossil fuels, but we've doubled fossil fuel and the negative has gone down. So it's it's like life has become better life is flourished But we're doing way more fossil fuels. I keep using it. I think it's a misnomer You're using a lot air quotes too. Yeah anyway, it's like this. It's like this. It's like a piecefiery but peaceful protest they're asking us not to believe our eyes and then they're saying oh look over here. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. th. th. they. th. th. th. th. th. th. their th. their their their th. their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the f. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. the the the the the the they. the their f. their the th. th. th. th. th. the they're saying, oh, look over here, but look how good life has been. Well, part of it is it's not your eye. I mean, the peaceful protest thing is sort of you can invalidate it by looking at the current events. But like climate and energy, those are long-term trends that people really have to study. And one of the, like, there's this term now climate journalist, which is a ridiculous term. Because a journalist is really somebody who's reporting on concrete events.

Starting point is 00:21:46 It's like, hey, something happened at Congress today, I can't be there. So I need to know, they need to be my eyes and ears, but it's properly a very perceptual medium, where they're just really there looking at things for you. But what they've done, I think, in part because they want activism effect is they deal with like studying trends. They act like they're scholars, but they're not. But they, and so what they often do is, as I said, they'll just take a concrete story

Starting point is 00:22:13 and act like it's representative and then make a generalization that's false. So people, almost everyone thinks climate is far more dangerous to human beings than you used to be, Almost everybody, including most free market. It was just totally false. But these climate journalists have just, they've ignored the big picture. And so again, even if they're facts that they're stating about the specific events are correct,

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Starting point is 00:22:54 you'd have to have both sides of the argument. So you would hear both sides. Ronald Reagan took that away. He said, you don't need that. You basically can report however you want to report it, and that's how it goes. And that was the beginning of the deregulation of the media. And whenever you hear, Jimmy Dore talks about this, whenever you hear deregulation, right? People like, or regulation, and I'm like, we're libertarians, right? I mean, some people are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, are, the. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. the the they. the the the they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the. too. things. things. things. things. things. things. things. things. things. toe. the. toe. the the the some people might be on the, you know, on the side of anarchism and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:23:27 I'm sort of like you in that there is a place for pure government in not getting to that, you know, I'll get into that, but, you know, the notion that, the notion that you were supposed to have one side and then they went in and they deregulated and then they split it it the the the they it th they it th................... th. th. th. th. theded. th. th. thed. th. thi thi thi thi. thi. thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. I'm thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I I thi. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I th. I'll th. I'll the the the the the the the thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea side and then they went in and they deregulated and then they split it in half and he had MSNBC and you had a Fox News and now nobody, with the internet nobody gets the same information anymore. And there used to be, I don't know what happened, but there used to be an honor to be in truth and telling the truth and when you didn't tell the truth the truth the truth the truth the truth, the truth, the truth, the truth, the truth, the truth, the truth, the truth, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to to the, to be, to be, to be, to be, they. And then, to be, and they. to be, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and to..I.I.I.I.I.I. And, and to be they. And, and they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. telling the truth and when you didn't tell the truth you got basically discredited and ran out of the industry. Remember what happened to Dan Rather? You know they got that which ended up kind of being right that story they did. Oh he's totally right. He lost his career right because it was perceived to be false. If that would that happened today it would just be like a news cycle and then he'd be right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right they. they. they would be right they. to be like they. to be like to be like to be like to be like to be like to be like to be like to be like to be like to be like to be like. to be like. to be like. the they. to be like. to be to be to be to be like. to be like. to be like. to be like. to be like. to be like. to be like. to be like. to be like. to be like. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. they. they. they. they. to. tr. true. the. true. true. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to., if Nixon did Watergate today, he would still be president.

Starting point is 00:24:28 I believe that. He would still be president because there's no apparatus to go after him like that anymore. Because where they are right now with politics and we'll get back to this is that. If I, if I go after you and I convict you, that means your side can come after me and predict me. It's like that whole saying about Tom and Jerry. Like Tom will never get Jerry, because if Tom gets Jerry, the show's over. So they always got to be chasing each other. It just happens to just get away.

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Starting point is 00:27:13 back to what you're talking about about these natural resources, we, you know, this show dabbles in the spiritual as well and from very young age we are bombarded with scarcity. That there's only so much of anything. There's only so much money. There's only so much food. There's almost so much oil. I remember growing up, and the big scare was peak oil. Peak oil is coming, man.

Starting point is 00:27:41 And once peak oil's here, man. Who knows that? In your book book Carter said that we would run out of it within a decade right was that Carter that said that yeah an oil yeah it's interesting because there's these two strands so one is we're gonna run out of stuff and the other is even if we don't run out of stuff our impact is gonna destroy the planet and so you mentioned peak oil when you're younger now it's more the late to destroy the planet. And so you mentioned peak oil when you're younger. Now it's more the later thing.

Starting point is 00:28:06 Yes. Right? It's like our impact. Like it's really like either we're going to, the planet is going to run out of resources to give us or the planet is unable to handle the amount of our impacts. That's the climate view, right? It's not that we're exactly exactly exactly exactly exactly exactly exactly exactly exactlythe climate is going to get mad and punish us, which is, you know, very kind of,

Starting point is 00:28:28 it's like a religious view, but it doesn't pose as a religious view. And in both cases, it's a false view of the earth, because in one case, I mentioned, it's the view that resources are this very fixed and limited pie versus this unlimited thing that we can create. In the other case, it's this assumption that our impact on the rest of nature is necessarily negative, whereas it's not necessarily negative or positive, but it's generally positive. Because the reason we impact nature is to benefit us. Right? So, like, you make a farm, you impact nature to allow yourself to grow food in a small amount of time. But that, but so kind of in fossil future, my basic point is that we're thin thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th. th, th, th, th, th. th. th, th, th. th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. theeeeeeat, that, theeeeat, thi. thi. theeeeeee, thi. thi, in fossil future, my basic point is that we're thinking of this issue, not in a rational or pro-human way, and part of it is we have this deep assumption that human impact is bad, and that's the number one assumption. It's immoral, and it's self-destructive.

Starting point is 00:29:19 So, and it's really, you really need to think of it as a religion, that's the best analog. So it's really really really thi i it is really thii, thi, thi, thi, thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, thi, thiolome thiolute, thioluioluioluioluioluioluicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicicic, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, to, to thi, to to to to thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thii. thiii. thiiiiiiii. thiiii. thi, thi, th think of it as a religion. That's the best analog. So it's really as if there's one commandment, thou shalt not impact nature. And then if you violate it, the nature God is going to punish you. This is really what happens with climate, right? Because people can't even see that obviously we're safe from climate. Like, just think common sense. Are you safe from climate? Like, would you rather be in today's storms or that there's storms, right? Would you rather be in today's heat waves or their heat waves? Today's cold or their? Like, it's obviously better, but everyone is blind because they have this religion

Starting point is 00:29:50 that says, if we impacted climate, that must be terrible and the climate must punish us, and we won't be able to deal with it. It's like kind of a Noah a a a Noah that that the climate is angry about. And it's really, it's really that kind of non-scientific. Because objectively, again, we're safer than ever and it doesn't make any sense that we're going to increase the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, which in the history of this plant has been 10 times higher than it is today. But somehow, in doing that so far, life has gotten much better. We've been increasing CO2 for a while. Life has gotten much better. Life expectancy?

Starting point is 00:30:28 Yeah, in part, mainly because the energy that we've gotten by emitting the CO2 is so beneficial. So we have machines doing all our work for us instead of manual. Like, life is so good. But the UN literally tells us, you know, it's warmed one degree, Celsius, but 1.5 or two the world is going to end. Like it makes no... I got to start with it up. So would you say global warming is way better than a nice age? Yes. Is it easier for us to handle a little bit of a little more heater than a colder? Randall Carlson's been on the show and talked about when when the planet got warmer, civilizations flourished. Right. But this is part of this show is just the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the scope the the the the the the the of of of of of of the th of the of of of of of of thi. W. W. thi. W. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Would th. th. Would th. th. Would th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the, th. Would. th. th. Would. Would. Would. Would th. Would th. Would th. Would the. Would the. Would th. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W. W, civilizations flourished. Right.

Starting point is 00:31:05 But this is part, this shows just the scope of the, what I call the anti-human impact bias, that it's been obvious to everyone throughout history that you want warmer time. So historically, like, we have times called, the warmer times are called optumes. That's literally what they're named by historians of climate. Like, th, th, the, the, th, the, the, th, the, th, th, th, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi., thi.ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom., like, you know, the Roman optimum. And it's because warmer is better.

Starting point is 00:31:27 I was, I read an article a couple years ago. It was such a funny article, because it was a scientific article and it said, you know, earth is great, but, you know, it's not perfect because it would be a little bit better if the planet were three degrees Celsius warmer. And yet they didn't mention that we're destroying our whole civilization because we're afraid of it getting 1 degree Celsius warmer. Well, I think it blows me away about, and I know you don't want to do the first book. Well, I can talk about anything.

Starting point is 00:31:53 But I tell people, when I told Cal and I tell everybody, I go, just read my mom, my girlfriend, just read the first chapter because of all the predictions, and I predictions, and I the predictions, and I the predictions, and I the predictions, and I the predictions, all the models that have gone wrong and then these people are still like that guy Paul what's his name early at Stanford it's like look just if you don't believe anything just he's bringing receipts read the first chapter all the predictions of all we're not supposed to be here we're supposed to be wearing gas masks because of the pollution we're supposed to be, you know, the billion people dead from famine. I mean, just, how do people still have their jobs? Well, how do you still have a job when you're this bad at it, at your prediction?

Starting point is 00:32:30 How is Fauci still have a job then? You know, and we're not even talking COVID. We go all way back to, you know, HIV and stuff like that. You're like, how do you I have a lot of interest of them, is way more credible than the people in this field, although with him I would say, I think his main defect is this issue of thinking about what to do about things, because with COVID, it's not, there are a lot of dissimilarities and some similarities, but one thing that I noticed, and I, when the COVID pandemic started happening, I was writing this book, I was I have I had a business

Starting point is 00:33:05 particularly at the time where COVID was not good for me because I do a lot of my revenue was public speaking and then I would consult on messaging for energy companies which energy company is doing terribly because nobody's allowed to use energy. And you're not allowed to public speak. So it was a tough time but I just decided I'm going to spend five or six weeks writing about COVID because I really do think there's something very wrong with how the government is using this dangerous virus to take away freedom. And one of the points I made is people are only like, they're thinking about it bizarrely because they've decided that we should eliminate, our policy should be to eliminate deaths from one virus at all costs. That was really what COVID policy was. It says like, whatever you think the threat of the virus is and people have very, but, but that's really what Fouchi was doing, right? He's saying like, all we should care about is minimizing the deaths from this one virus.

Starting point is 00:33:58 But if you think about that for five seconds, it doesn't make any sense. How could you say my goal is to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate to eliminate the the the you say my goal is to eliminate deaths from one virus, no matter how much hardship it causes other people? And there's a kind of analog in climate in climate thinnigh the danger of COVID. But it's the goal is let's eliminate our climate impact at all costs. Right? That's really net zero. That's what it means. Our goal is to not impact climate and we're willing to sacrifice everything. Yeah, I find it very interesting and you know, I look at him a little different because a lot of stuff that he did with COVID, he did with HIV and I don't want to get too much into that. But it's like the same game plan and same everything and so you go what is is it really to eliminate all deaths or is there other thing and I don't want to get too much into it but I do think it

Starting point is 00:34:51 kind of gets to why are they demonizing oil? Why are they demonizing fossil fuels? We could be like, well, these scientists think that we're going to go extinct. Okay, I can understand that. But what about the people who fund all these studies over and over and over again? Why are they funding these stories? You know, it's a great example of, you know, this artwork people that are just like throwing the just-top oil people? Yeah, just like throwing. The just up oil people?

Starting point is 00:35:25 Yeah, just like throwing macaroni and cheese on Van Gogh and shit. And they're like, oh, I'm doing something. And then you- Sponsored by a billionaire. Not just a billionaire, but just a billionaire, but to be a billionaire, but why is this happen? Why is the person who like not just can benefit from food and technology that comes from oil, but directly benefits from dollar bill sales of her product,

Starting point is 00:35:50 getting involved in that. What, and that's the question for me is like, what is the end? So you brought up the UN, you know, again, I don't want to get into any areas you might not be comfortable with, but for me it's like, there seems to be a deeper agenda than money empowered to me. Yeah, let's talk about it, because I think it's, I have very definite ways of thinking about these things and I say, I think there's something clearly wrong. And I'm very sympathetic to people who think it's like a conspiracy and I want to kind of an alternate way of thinking about it, but that I think, thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to thi. to to to to thi. thi. thi. to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi want to give kind of an alternate way of thinking about it, but that I think really explains a lot. We don't call them conspiracy anymore. We call them spoiler alerts. So, I think it's helpful to, I think the more you think of this, I call it in the book, it's really this view the human impact is bad. So I call it the anti-impact framework, but here I'll call it the anti-impact religion, because I think it really captures it. So you just imagine that the leaders of a religion

Starting point is 00:36:47 were very successful in spreading this religion. That our, and it has these two components, our, it's wrong for us to impact nature, and then two is nature is gonna punish us, so it's gonna hurt us. It's like, it goes against the commandments, and you're gonna go to hell. it's going to lead to all of the things we're seeing. So let's take the issue of studies.

Starting point is 00:37:11 Like, if you believe that our impact is inevitably going to plunge us into hell, you are going to keep studying the ways in which our impact is going to plunge us into hell. And what happens when it doesn't? When you're wrong decade after decade, but if your basic assumption that impact is self-destructive is not challenged, then you're gonna keep expecting the next one. It's like you really believe in this fortune teller. You really believe that they were like ordained by a deity. Like, even if they're wrong, you're gonna keep believing. Like, have you seen that keep sweet thing on Netflix? I was like like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. th. the the the the the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the, the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi.a.a. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their, their, sweet thing on Netflix it was like a like the extreme LDS thing it was like I forget what it's

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Starting point is 00:39:28 takes our focus off what benefits us and it actually makes us hostile to a lot of what benefits us because if you think impact is evil and that's the most, you're bringing it up, yeah, exactly. And it's all the old man that wasn't supposed to die. Exactly. So you, you, like, our kind of, we have this view that our impact is bad and our, that is bad that is bad, that is bad, that our impact is bad, that our impact is bad, that our impact is bad, that our impact is bad, that our impact is bad, that our impact is bad, that our impact is bad, that our impact is bad, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's their impact is that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, impact, impact, impact, impact, impact, impact, impact, impact, impact, impact, impact, their, impact, their, their, i, i, i. their, i. their, i. their, i. their, i. their, i. their, i. their, i. their, i. their, i. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, So you, like, our kind of, we have this view that our impact is bad and our number one goal is to eliminate it. That's like guiding the earth. That's why everyone's focused on net zero. People aren't focused on global prosperity. They're talking about, their ta, they're talking about net zero. So part of that. But the other thing is actually, I talk about this in Chapter 3, actually makes you hostile to human life because human life involves impact. Right, you hear all these people say, that's a great point. What's going to happen if China in India become rich? And it's like, well, I think that would be good. But they're like, no, no, that would be terrible for the planet. And so th. And so, th. And so, th. And so, th. And so, th. And so, th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the human human human human human human human human human human human human human human human the human human human human the human, the human, the human, the human, the human, the human, the human, the human, the human, the human, the human human, the human, the human human human. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their their their thiility toward the impact that benefits our life. And so when you have this a false assumption, you basically have a false assumption,

Starting point is 00:40:28 a false anti-human assumption, and then an anti-human value of getting rid of our impact, like my view is that philosophy slash religion has just permeated. And I actually think the real conspiracy, or spoiler alert, is really that the 50 years ago is the people who wanted their ideas spread them in the educational system. So they spread this religion throughout the educational system as science, and so it's just common sense for people.

Starting point is 00:40:56 Of course we shouldn't impact. Of course, look at what the corporations do. The corporations always do unconvectional things. Every freaking hotel is telling you be green. Everyone is telling you green, that's great. Green means eliminate your impact. And everyone is telling you sustainability. That means our impact is unsustainable, so we have to stop impact.

Starting point is 00:41:14 So these religious dogmas have penetrated everything. And so I think the real conspiracy is the people who spread, their people who will capitalize on it. and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, thi, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I thi, I their, I their, I their, their their, their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their, their their the, thr. thr. thean, their their thean, their thean, their, their, their, thean, thean, thean, but then also once this religion is spread, there are people who will capitalize on it. And that's, I think, a lot of what you observe, like with the UN and stuff. Yeah, they see this and in general people who want power are always looking for ideas that justify power. That's why a lot of people like COVID. Would you say there's a depopulation angle to what you're talking about? But it's but it's it's it's what I'm saying is it's obvious. If human impact is bad, then human population is bad, like if I was using this example, but if I said to you, Sam, like my philosophy in life is I think bear impact is evil and should be eliminated.

Starting point is 00:41:59 Well, what do you think I want to do to the bear population? Kill all the bears. But our leaders say human impact is evil and th is evil. It is evil. It is evil. It is evil. It is evil. It is evil. It is evil. It is evil i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi thi. thi. thi. the thi. thi. thi. thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. thei. the. thei. the. the. thi. thi. thi. their. their. to do to the bear population? Kill all the bears. Kill all the bears. But our leaders say human impact is evil and should be eliminated, and we don't think it means kill us. And that's why I think there's some very dark, dark energy to this whole thing. But it also gets down to like, much of this is real how much of this really is impacting people and I go if you go down to skid row how soon will you hear somebody how long would it take for you to hear somebody to complain about pronouns like how long do you think it will take for somebody to complain about climate change on skid row?

Starting point is 00:42:44 So what I what I get into is this is that who are the people who are the people who are the for somebody to complain about climate change on Skid Row. So what I get into is this, is that who are the people really concerned about climate change? It tends to be middle to much upper class children, the children of the wealth, because let's face it, their fight and flight and their need for your basic needs to be taken care of which is food, shelter, clothing are all taken care of. And we have this kind of thing, and there's no, I have no science behind what I'm saying, just my basic feel is that you have to have something to fight for.

Starting point is 00:43:21 And climate change is something you can fight forever because there's no real goalpost. Like, how do you know if you want climate change? Like, where's the scoreboard going touchdown? That's the only negative thing I have to say about fossil fuels is that fossil fuels has enabled these rich kids to grow up with nothing to do but worry about pronouns. Yeah, okay, that's true man. It's the only negative things. It's part of the the the the the the the the th. It's th. It's th. It's th. T th. T the th. It's th. It's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the real the th. It's the real th. th. th. th. the th. their their th. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. th. th grow up with nothing to do but worry about pronouns. Yeah, okay, that's true man. But it's part of the, it's a lot of interesting stuff there. So part of the tragedy of, this is true of civilization in general. Like, one of the challenges of civilization is that it insulates you from kind of the state of nature. And so the job of civilization is you always need to educate people about every step so that you don't take it for granted. What happens is when you have bad education, you

Starting point is 00:44:09 treat civilization as natural. And so that's what's happening with these kids. They think it's natural. Like I use an example when I was a student in college, because I think about food. Like you think about in nature, how long does it t to get food? Like a long time, and sometimes you spend all your time and like build a shelter. And I was at, I was at Duke in North Carolina, and I was on a meal plan and I ran out of money, I spent it all, and I didn't have much income and I didn't want to ask my parents for any more money.

Starting point is 00:44:36 So I like tried to live as cheapthe cheapest way you could have any kind of amount of protein. And I forget it's like something like $20 a week and you just think about even at the time I could probably make $20 an hour, so I could spend one hour and feed myself for a week. So I could spend one hour and feed myself for a week. Like that's almost the Garden of Eden, right? Like that's almost the Garden maybe it doesn't taste as good as it supposedly did in the Garden of Eden. But it's- That's very cheap, that's even cheaper, right? So it's just, but the thing is we're not taught that we live in this miraculous world

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Starting point is 00:45:52 So all you focus on is what are the negative side effects. Like, you're gonna kill a lot of people. young people, their whole purpose is to oppose the polio vaccine because of its side effects. But that's basically like fossil fuels the poverty vaccine, right? And we have a whole group of people who are trying to get rid of the thing that keeps them out of poverty. And but there's ignorance. Wow, that's a great way to do it. Well, you know, I mean, it's like the world where these rich people get together and discuss how they're going to stop climate change after they arrive in their private jet. And they all take a private jet there. They all have their own private jet.

Starting point is 00:46:32 Right, but it makes sense. So one of the things I like to stress is, like, I agree that this is dark stuff, but I think the dark you take like as a philosopher. I just take people's ideas seriously So if they say human impact is bad, I take that seriously like the bear impact point right? And so if you think about why are they flying private jets? I actually think it makes total sense What's their reasoning? What's their reasoning is for the private jet? Have you ever heard them give it? No, what they're as soon as an efficiency thing thing is for their th, th. th. th. their is is their is th. their is their is their is their is their, their is their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, their, like, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their is that right? Or they don't like being with other people? It's an efficiency thing or a security thing, but it basically means what they're saying is, this climate conference is really, really important. And so I need to get there. But what does that mean?

Starting point is 00:47:14 And how did they say, well, we're going to offset it? But like John Kerry, this is the only way for me to fight climate change as efficiently as possible. But basically what he's saying is, it makes sense, because all the emissions from his jet will be offset by all the people he makes poor. But that's the logic.

Starting point is 00:47:38 No, that's really what it is. I'm gonna stop more, but stopping more means preventing people from using machines, which, thiiiiiii, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, to, to, to, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and'm gonna cause these emissions, but I'm gonna stop more. But stopping more means preventing people from using machines, which means making them poor. And it really means killing them prematurely and certainly killing. So it really means, I'm gonna kill enough people that it'll cause weight. That's class warfare. I mean, what you just described is class warfare.

Starting point is 00:47:59 100%. It is a class warfare. It's always been class warfare when you know you have who's the prince you have king Charles who's his oldest son William yeah he's like there's too many people on the planet and he has like four kids right I mean it's like like what do you talk about I think it's two I'm no it's like two or three right I think it's four I think it's maybe three I don't I I have a real pet peeve about I'm the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th I'm th I'm I'm I'm th I'm th I'm th I'm th I'm th I'm th I'm th I'm th I'm th I'm th I'm th I th I have four I have four I'm th I have four I have four I have four I th th th th th th th th th th th th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm the thi. I'm the the the thi. I'm thi. I'm th. I'm th. I th. I th. I think it's four. I think it's three. I don't know. I have a real pet peeve about royal Americans being interested in royal family is three. I find a... I agree. Anyway. All right, real quick, let's tell you about our new sponsor, Dave. That's right, with the holidays around the corner, you might be wondering how you're going to be able to make ends meet and shower your love opens with gift. Dave can help get you out of a pinch.. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. A th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. three. three. three. three. three. three. three. three. three. three. three. three. three. three. three. three. three. three. three. thr. thr. th. th. to be able to make ends meet and shower your love opens with gift. Dave can help get you out of a pinch so you can enjoy the

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Starting point is 00:50:01 He died a few years ago, but the first thing I ever read that was reasonable on environmental stuff when I was 16, and I always remember this, he had this book called All the Trouble in the World about all these environmental scares. And the title of chapter 2 is maybe the best title I've ever heard. And it was overpopulation, colon, just enough of me, way too much of you. He was he was the best that guy was brilliant. That's them that's their whole philosophy. There'll be elites the class board yeah 100% so so you know let's get into some of the notes you sent me but you know so we have this thing with fracking and people talking a lot about fracking and the effects on the environment and a big thing they're talking about is water.

Starting point is 00:50:48 Is it affecting water? Now what are your thoughts on that? Natural gas methane. Who is that Jackson girl that was under Obama in your book? Lisa Jackson said there's been no health risk or, no, the water, there's been nothing to prove. Well, Keto, the water, there's been nothing to prove. Well, Kato, well, what about Dakota Pipeline? I mean, I remember hearing that back in,

Starting point is 00:51:09 what, maybe five years ago, and they were saying that the water was gonna get polluted and all this shit with the fracking? Right, that's what we're saying. Yeah, is that about these details, but I just want to put it in the context of how many people ever ask about the benefits of fossil fuels to water quality? Because those are in fact enormous, because how so?

Starting point is 00:51:35 Because the only reason we have accessible, clean, cheap drinking water is because we use a lot of energy to change the very bad natural state of water, whereas drinking water is usually distant and it's dirty naturally, right? So it's far away, so you need to pump it, that takes a lot of energy, and then you need to purify it. That takes a lot of energy. And I just want to point out to people, like, we act like nature. It's again, this fallacetting, there's Evian and Perrier just coming out of the ground everywhere

Starting point is 00:52:06 until evil fracking ruins. Whereas it's actually, no, no, no, no. The number one source, you know what the number one source of contamination of water is according to the US geological survey? Nature, like, by far, it's nature. their shitting in and all thatthat stuff. Well, there's just a lot of stuff. I mean, it's just nature didn't insulate us. It's not like, it didn't just insulate us a supply of universal clean drinking water. That's why it's an achievement, right?

Starting point is 00:52:32 Our ancestors didn't have that in many, many cases. So when you think of clean drinking water, the first thing to think is, hey, fracking, actual, fracking and oil and oil, and oil, and oil, and oil, and oil, and oil, and oil, and oil, and oil, and oil, and oil, and, and, and, and, and, they, they, the, they, they, they, they, they, they, th. th. thracking, thrack. thracking, thracking, thrack, th. th. th. th. th. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th. th. th. that, th. th. th. th. th. th. th.. th..... th. th..... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that, that, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, to, that's, that's, to. that's to to to to that's, thr. water incredibly clean and safe. And then the question is, are some uses or abuses of that endangering it? So I'm just really objecting to this idea that you act like oil and gas and coal are bad for water when they actually make water clean in the first place. Well, there is within like the hermetic principles that it is the principle of dualism, which everything has light and everything has dark. Everything has yin in, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their their uses, their uses, or their uses, or abuses, or their uses, their uses, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the th, thus, thus, th, th, thus, thus, the uses, the uses, the uses, the the the uses, their their thus, their uses, thus, their, their, thus, their, their, the, the, the, tus, te, te, the, the the thus, thus, the uses, the, thus, the is the principle of dualism which everything has light and everything has dark everything has y'all theyne and everything has yay so in one instance you're totally right there is a lot of impact that oil and fossil fuels has on the delivery of clean water but is there an impact I'm fracking. Yeah, that's

Starting point is 00:53:26 I was about to talk about. But it is one more thing for context is how often do you hear people ask about the impact of solar and wind materials on water? Right? Because you can solar and wind involve a lot of materials, actually a lot more materials in many ways than oil and gas do. So there's a huge amount of mining that goes involved that is involved and that can contaminate water. And then even like, where do you dispose of the stuff and the chemicals from solar panels can leach into the water if you dispose of them in problem. So I just want to show people there's a bias in this. And so if you look at one, one of the things with fracking in water, so people might think, oh, thi thi thr-oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they, they. they. they. tho. tho. tho. tho. tho. Where they. they. they. the, where the, where the, where the, where the, where it's the opposite, as you indicated, because think of what is the number one way that something will negatively affect groundwater? It's that it is close to groundwater.

Starting point is 00:54:11 But the way fracking works is it takes place a mile or more, usually below groundwater, and it's hard to get to. that's why it's actually hard to get that deep. And so this is why you don't have these instances of fracking actually contaminating. So the thing that overwhelmingly happens is there is natural contamination of water, and then people blame it on fracking because they want to sue people. So it's just really this manufactured thing. And the reason they focus on fracking is not that fracking poses any unique danger to groundwater, in fact, less than conventional oil drilling, but because it's new. And when people want to oppose industry, they generally

Starting point is 00:54:49 oppose things that sound new because it's easier to get some people to oppose things that seem new than things they're familiar with. So this is just a total fraud to act like a fracking presents a danger. And then pipelines is another example. I mean pipelines are like the greatest thing ever for clean water because pipelines are by far the best way of transporting something with less damage. Think about if you're, if you're carrying water around and you don't want to spill any water,

Starting point is 00:55:16 if you don't spill any liquid, but just think of it as water. Are you gonna just dump it in a truck? Or are you gonna put it in a trown, to, to, to, to, tip, try, try, t, the, t, tip, t, t, tip, the, t, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, and, th, and, th, and, the the the thi, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tip, tip, the, the, thea, thea, thea, thea, tipe, tipe, tipe, tipe, tipe, tipe, thea, thea, thea, thi.a, theyipe truck, just the bed of a truck, or you're going to put it in a train, or are you going to put it in a pipe? Like, we put it in a pipe. So, the more hazardous the liquid is, the more it benefits from being in a pipe. And part of it is you have these very large pipelines and they can detect when they're a leaks. And so just there more spillage from a pipeline than if we did absolutely nothing and use no chemicals or no materials, of course. But then we would all die for lack of the good chemical. And this is again where we ignore the benefits and we only pay attention to the negative. So both of these are good for the water quality if you look at the full picture.

Starting point is 00:56:00 There is something about how they highlight the animals that covered in oil and all that stuff. And it's very interesting because it's like, I like I said the other day on Twitter, it's just like anything that's in the news all the time you should question who's it benefit. Like with this mental, everything's mental health now all the time? Well, who's that benefit? Pharmaceutical companies who get everybody hooked on pharmaceuticals. Regars of if there is some good intention, at the farst level, there is over-medication in this country. We are over-medicating people on everything all the time.

Starting point is 00:56:36 I mean, one question I like to think about with these things. Because I can think about how can people who don't know all the facts, because I can say, well, I studied this for 15 years, but there's a lot of ways you can spot BS even if you don't know all the facts. And one question to ask, I think, is if they really cared about what they say they care about, what else would they talk about? So with like, oh, you see an oil-soaked bird, is thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to toe, to th. to th. th. th. th. th. thr. thr. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. toe. toe. to to to to to ing about wind turbines killing birds, which are much more efficient way of killing birds. And this, or one example that's even more salient, I think, is when you have heat waves, because in the summer you have heat waves,

Starting point is 00:57:12 and this is the climate catastrophes favorite time of year. And one thing is, they wouldn't be so, they wouldn't be so gleeful if they really get, but they they, but, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. thi, the, the, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi. the. the. the. the. that, the. the. that, the. the. the. the. the. thi, they claim, they claim, well, I just care about saving human lives from the scourge of heat, right? Okay, but do they mention that air condition, do they have a real concern for more air conditioning, because that's really what protects us? But even more, do they mention the fact that far more people die from cold than from heat, because why would you care about heat-related deaths but not cold-related deaths? And then do they talk about all the other benefits of fossil fuels, including cooling us and

Starting point is 00:57:48 heating us? And if they don't, then they're just using heat-related death as an opportunity to advance their agenda. They don't care about the heat-related death. It's just a means to an end. And so much of people claiming to care about things is just posturing to, or like flooding is another example, they're like, I'm so upset about this flood. And my solution is, don't allow people to use cheap energy. But wait, how are they going to protect themselves from floods if they don't have cheap energy to build up sturdy infrastructure? So they're like, oh, I'm so upset about the flood in Pakistan, and so I'm going to tell. thea the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. their to to to to to to to to to their to their their. to to their. to to their th. to th. their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the. the. the. makes no sense. It only makes sense if your goal is to advance

Starting point is 00:58:25 your anti-fossil fuel agenda. So almost all the claims to care about human life, and therefore I oppose fossil fuels are not really concerned about human life. They're just a vehicle to oppose fossil fuels. Because if the people said, the reason I oppose fossil fuels, I think our impact is bad and we shouldn't impact the world and there should be far fewer of us, very few people are signing up for that movement. So what they have to say is no, fossil fuels are ruining the world, but again, they ignore

Starting point is 00:58:51 all the benefits, so they don't really care about harming the world, and so they're trying to exploit us. Yes, of course. And it's so interesting because, like, if if if if if, if, if, if, if, and by the way, they, they, they pivoted off of global warming to climate change because you know it would snow in Arizona and people like well where's your global warming now? It's snowing in Arizona. So there you should, you know, and people, really smart people like Bill Maher would be like mocking that, oh, because it snowed in a warm place. He's got some more progress to make on this issue though, unfortunately.

Starting point is 00:59:36 Well, he's getting better at a lot of issues, but he's really is. But one thing about the climate thing is so I think it's very important to separate climate change and climate catastrophe. Climate change is super vague term so I don't use it but I'll talk about climate impact. So I do believe we impact climate. We increase the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. That's a warming gas and a fertilizing gas so you'd expect it to make the earth somewhat warmer and somewhat greener. And I think both of those are true, that's th th th th the tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thrue, thrue, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thea, thea, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thea, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, tok, tok, toke, toke, toke, telluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuui, te, te, te, te, te, tue, the greener is more, is easier to prove. But that's totally different than it's catastrophe and that's what I really challenge. I think that if you believe that it's catastrophe, unless you have really good evidence that I haven't seen, it's because you think impact is bad. So you always

Starting point is 01:00:15 assume it'll be catastrophe. What about the oceans? They say that the oceans the oceans change. Oh, that's the ocean. the ocean. the ocean. the ocean. the ocean. the ocean. th is is, the ocean. th is, th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. that's, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's is that's is that's is that's is that's is that's is that's is that's is. that's is. that's is. that's is. th. that's, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that's what that's that's that's that's that thing. Wait, wait, the oceans are rising. That's my favorite. Well, of course, but yeah, so they are rising, but there's a question of how fast. So first of all, they were rising before we did anything. And they were rising, even if you search like sea level on Wikipedia, they should still have it, where it, you see that our ancestors, it was like this, and us it's in Chapter 9 of the book as well. And it's, so the question, we have incredibly, incredibly slow sea level rise, but I do believe we've made it slightly less slow by warming, because if we've influenced warming, then that causes the ocean to expand somewhat. But so many of these things are about precision. Do you, people act like some change means enormous change?

Starting point is 01:01:03 And so, like an example is, do you know how, just any of you can guess, I guess some of you have read the book, but like based on the media, how fast would you think the sea level is rising right now per century? What would be your guess? About a mile? A mile? What would you think? A mile? What would you think? A couple feet? Really? That's it? And that seems, because that would seem like a... Somewhere between a mile and a couple feet. Yeah, okay. So I think, so it's actually currently at one foot a century.

Starting point is 01:01:34 And then the very extreme projections are three feet a century. Al Gore's movie, he portray, he talks about 20 feet and he makes it seem imminent. That puts Florida under, right? Well, I I I years ago and I remember going oh this city's gone. They're building. It's gone. It's going to be underwater. I might enjoy the Latina's while you can because this thing is going to get flooded. People don't seem to be avoiding it though. Yeah well I'd be like there's all these famous pictures of like Plymeth Rock from a hundred years today exact same sea level for the most far. The Statue Liberty you look at the sea levels pretty much the same. Well there's a lot of lo- so one thing with sea levels I talk about in chapter 9 is they're not a global, there's global and local variables. Oh really? Yeah, it's a huge thing right so you can if you build like you can build on a land mass and that can actually

Starting point is 01:02:32 cause the mass to sink right or yeah or what you have some of these islands like because they're they're um. Dubai yeah they're made out of sand. Well yeah you can make islands but even if you take some of the places like the Maldives, which is when I was getting started in this, like, oh, the Maldives is going to be gone by now. And they build new airports and stuff. It's like, oh, I'm going to take my honeymoon here. But part of it is some of these islands, like they're different forms of the tea. the is different because we have this false idea, again, that it's this delicate, nurture a planet, and our impact ruins it, and that's kind of the beginning of the end.

Starting point is 01:03:11 So if we think, oh, if we impact it, the sea levels are going to rise and it's going to ruin everything, versus the truth, the sea levels are going to rise some, and the most most, to, to, thing you'll notice in chapter nine is that some of the, if you look at sea level, like in certain places it's been going down, in certain places it's going up. And the reason is because it's overwhelmingly local. So when you, when people will pick areas like Miami, that there's more of a rise, but they're cherry picking those to make it seem like, oh, this is the global trend. If there's any significant sea level trend, it's most today, it's mostly a local trend, because the global rise has been very low. And it's impact by basically local events, right? Meaning somebody

Starting point is 01:03:58 built something or... Local factors. I mean, even like the water, I mean, the ocean is really weird in terms of like, you can have these pockets that are a little higher and stuff. But the point is, those are not in your, well, the building is in your control, but the other thing that people need to recognize is human beings are really good at living, even below sea level. So 100 million people today live below sea level. And today. today. today. today. today. today. today. th. th. th. th. th. thiii. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thoes. thoes. thoes. thi. the thoes. thoes. thoes. the thoes. the the the the the the thoes. the point. the point. the point. the point. the point. the point. the point. the point. the point. the point. the point. the point. the point. the point. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tha. thi. tha. tha. thi. theea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. the thea. the thea. the the thea. thide, and people prosper there. Like the Netherlands, you have places that are, you know, meter or more, about three feet or more below sea level. So if you're thinking about it in a humanistic way, you're not afraid of slow rises in sea level.

Starting point is 01:04:35 That's just not something you would be afraid of. But it's, we're so enmeshed in this anti-impact religion that we just, we assume that, oh, it's gonna be the end. And I've, it's funny, I'm always super impressed when I talk to a scientist or somebody who's smart, who's not a catastrophist, but who doesn't study the issue. Like occasionally, it only happens once every couple years, but I'll run into some smart person, and I'll kind of expect them to have all the their their their, to have to have their, to have to have to have to have their, to have to have to have their, to have to have them to have all these catastrophes views, but occasionally it'll happen. I won't say names because I don't want to get the people in trouble.

Starting point is 01:05:08 But like one of the most famous scientists in the world, I got to meet a few years ago. And he's not on this issue, but he's like, he's like, he's like, yeah, I was telling him my issue. What? Tyson? He needs a lot of reform. Yeah, he's got the anti-impact religion totally. I guarantee it's not him. But anyway, I was talking to this guy and he said, and I told him about my views and I was expecting resistance. He's like, yeah, of course, we build, we deal with sea levels. Why would it be a problem?

Starting point is 01:05:34 And then this other executive course we can deal with this. We're human beings. The greatest contradiction here, my favorite is Elon Musk, whom I like and dislike in a lot of ways, both. But his whole thing is human beings are going to terraform Mars and make it livable. And yet, a lot of his car sales have been based on the idea he's promoted, that 2 degrees Celsius change on Earth is going to make it on the that's right. So we can live on Mars, but we can't live on Earth if it changes

Starting point is 01:06:08 two degrees. No, you're totally right, and that gets into opportunist. I mean like again, we've talked about Elon Musk a lot in the show. I don't trust any billionaire, but I like what he's doing on Twitter. I mean I do. So do you think he's th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th think he's th think he's thin thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. thi. thi. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tot. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to to toist? Do you really, you don't think he believes in the 2%? I mean, Tesla cars is like. You don't think he believes in the climate change? You think he's just saying that for the money as being an opportunist? So my, I tend to believe that people usually believe what they I think some of the opportunism is they'll exaggerate it for effect. And I think also some people don't care that much about precision and what they believe. That's weird for him because he is a very precise guy in certain ways. But I mean, the fact is, if you look at his stuff five, ten years ago in particular,

Starting point is 01:06:57 he's promoting a lot of climate apocalypse stuff. Now what's interesting now is he's doing that a lot less. So he had he had he had he had he had like me, where he said, which I'm not claiming to have influenced him, last time I checked he doesn't like me, he blocked me on Twitter. Really? Years ago, well I had this very popular article called the Tesla Model S is a very good fossil fuel car, and he doesn't like that, which is true, true. I mean, I can't speak to it's definitely, it's definitely, it's definitely, it's definitely, it's a a fossil, it's a fossil, it's a fossil, it's a fossil, it's a fossil, it's a fossil, it's a fossil, it's a fossil, it's a fossil, it's a fossil, it's a fossil, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thi, thin, thi. Hea. He's, thin. He's, thi. He's, thi. He's, thi. thi. thi. thi. think it's a pretty good car, at least. But he, I do think that he, I think he believes a lot of this stuff, and I think, but I don't think he's thought through consistently the Mars thing versus the Earth thing. And I think from his, he does think there's something wrong. He has a very weird version of this religion. I mean, the short version of it is. The regular version of th, he, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, he, he, I he, I thi, I he, I he, I do, I do, I do, I do, I do, I do, I do, I do he, I do he, I do he, I do he, I do, I do, I do, I do, I do, I he, I he, I he, I he, I he, I he, I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. It, I th. It, I th. It, I th. It, I th. It, I th. It's, I thi, I th. It's, I think, I think, I think, I th. th. thi, I thi, I thi, I do, I thi, I mean the long story, the short version of it is, because the regular version of the religion is just human beings are kind of bad and it's wrong for us to impact things. And that's not him. He likes human beings. He talks about it, right? He's like seven kids and think you ever needs more kids. So he's not anti-human. But he has this very weird kind of engineering religion where he doesn't like things that are side effects. He doesn't like things that are outside our control. So he doesn't like the fact that we burn fossil fuels and it emits CO2 and some and then also some pollution, and we

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Starting point is 01:09:12 and you know, he's, we believe he's the richest man in the world. I think there's people who got mine, we don't really need to know, but you know, he's coming in there, he's trying to battle on Twitter. He seems to be on the right side of that story. Well, except if, I mean, this is a contrap, this is my most controversial view, like he totally fucked the blue check system. Yeah. I mean, it's really interesting how, and I should say the blue check system was very flawed system. But what it did allow people to do is it allowed people people, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the, the blue, the blue, the blue, the blue, the blue, to, to, the blue, to, to, to, the blue, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. the, to. th. to. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. did allow people to do is it allowed people with blue checks to have a you know you have the blue check tab where you can see hey what kinds of people with big follings what are they saying about my stuff and it's a

Starting point is 01:09:52 way to manage the flow of Twitter which doesn't exist anymore because now it's people with a hundred thousand followers and it's all bunched togu and the people with a followers say, oh, you're such an elitist. Why don't you want to see my thing? It's like, do you understand, what do I have, 130,000 followers, 135,000? Do you understand how many fucking notifications you get, even at my level, let alone people with 10 or 100 times more? Now, Musk is kind of a sociopathic, Like, he just loves seeing this endless flow of notifications, but it really, everyone I've talked to behind the scenes

Starting point is 01:10:25 who has a blue check has just found the new thing completely insufferable. Well, you know, it's so funny when you were, you know, an old Twitter, you get excited when somebody would, two people would follow you, blue check mark person or a hot chick, right? And they kind of the same dope, a dopamine hit that you, a that, a that blue check mic like oh somebody quote quotes important following me you know and now it's just like oh wow bone 2247 just followed me and which is fine like it changes it changes it changes it changes no he has one but it changes that change the dynamic so much and the heart check one is funny because when I got

Starting point is 01:11:02 into the relationship with the woman I'm engaged to, I just noticed how much it affected my social media. It was like so weird. Like I never, I stopped posting on Facebook because it's like, I don't care if an attractive woman follows me anymore. And it's like, that's kind of it's just everybody with a blue check mark. He's like, you know, the Braves just signed to Grom. And then, you know, I look and it's like, Billy Joe from Boston.

Starting point is 01:11:33 And I mean, the fake blue check accounts was one of the funniest things I've seen in recent, where they're just where they made and the Joe Biden account and the George Louis. That's just an amazing. No, it is interesting. Yeah. But I could see overall, I mean, I support a lot of what he's doing, and I think it's good to see these battles playing out where, and in particular, in so far as he's going to talk about what Twitter's policy has been. Like, I'm not in favor of government controlling these platforms at all, but I do think think think thto be transparent. And it's very exciting that he's going to be telling, hey, what is Twitter done?

Starting point is 01:12:08 And I hope they're totally transparent because I am honestly a little bit worried about stuff with me personally, given his history with me. No, I get what you're saying there. I kind of earlier we talked about having a little bit of a government and Johnny's super libertarian here. You know we have a problem right now where it looks like Apple and Google possibly could kick Twitter out of their their app store.

Starting point is 01:12:39 Now the question on that? Google jumped on that? Yeah, Google's been talking about as well. And so the question is how do you, because the app store? Google jumped on that? Google jumped on that? Yeah, Google's been talking about it as well. And so the question is, how do you, because the app store is a private company. That is their private company and they are a victim of their success in that Apple, the phone, the iPhone, and their app store has become in a weird way Main Street. Yeah, I mean they created this thing out of nothing and it's and it's it's amazingly so if you're not on that app you're you know as someone who's been shadow banned all the time

Starting point is 01:13:18 I understand what happens when you're not allowed to compete in the you know on in the main area in the main street you know in the in the world of ideas what's that called the business or the marketplace of ideas right you're not allowed but it's like so I have some familiar with this space so I have kind of as another project of mine so I, along with a former guy who is high up at Facebook and actually left Facebook because of these content suppression policies, I have a small platform called Thoughtful, which people can check out at, but let me, it's not. Thoughtful.

Starting point is 01:13:58 Thoughtful. Thoughtful. It's not a replacement for Twitter, so don't act like you're, don't think you're going to go there and it's going to be like Twitter. But the focus of Thoughtful is actually, it's a place that takes, it's kind of like taking gold from the ocean. It's like the internet is an ocean of junk content content with some really good stuff, and thoughtful helps you policy. And when thinking about it, like one thing we'd have had from the beginning is, we believe that these other platforms own their platforms 100%. So the way Brian, my co-founder, put it once is, is like, you know, Twitter is like somebody's

Starting point is 01:14:37 living room. It's like the fact they have a really big living room and a really nice living room doesn't mean that you get to decide when you want to be in it. And the thing is these guys have created these amazingly valuable things, and we can be very critical of them, but it is their thing and part of what we want to see and what will happen is competitors will emerge. And I think one of the things we can do in the meantime, because it's hard for the competitors, they. th. Because it's th. Because it's th. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their their their thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's their their their their their thi. It's their thi. It's thi. It's thi. I is is thi. I's thi. I's thin. thin. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. really, I think, encourage transparency. And I'm hoping that with Musk being transparent about Twitter, that'll lead to some more transparency about the others, because there's a lot of stuff. Like I have people messaging me from these platforms very anonymously, so I won't say much about it. But the shit that goes on behind the scenes, on my issues. In terms of just like collaboration, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. thi, thi, the the, thi, thi, the, th. their, their, their, their, their, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to some, their, their, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the collaboration with government, some of this has come out publicly. Oh yeah, it's all coming out right now. It's just like, oh yeah, the government told us to say this.

Starting point is 01:15:27 It's like, so then you become this quasi-government agency, which that becomes really scary because then it's not your living room. It's like your living room. But the government, the government a violation. If the, you know, there's all the stuff that the government, Fauci, the NIH, went to, NHI or NIH, went to Twitter and was telling them who to censor, how to censor, and all that stuff, that becomes a violation of the First Amendment. And that becomes, hate to tel the definition the definition the definition the definition, the definition, the definition, the definition, the definition, their thafiiia, thia, thia, thia, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that's that's th, thi, that's that's that's that's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, th, th, th, th, that becomes, hate to tell everybody, the definition of fascism, okay? So that's very important. Now the question is, here's my question, the only pushback I have to that, because they, we believe they are private entities, right?

Starting point is 01:16:17 They do, they do get publicly traded for a while. I know Twitter isn't any more. Well, publicly trade, yeah, but that's also supposed to be private entities. But what we also get into is there's talk about Google and YouTube getting CIA funding investment money early on through another company called I believe Alphabet or another group like that, and they, which was like, kind of like a shell company that the CIA used to invest then it becomes is this tax money being used to help seed this thing and now have we helped something grow to a point that now they've decided they don't need us anymore and they're shutting us out that becomes an interesting topic to be like Amazon Jeff at the story of Jeff Bezos is he worked the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th Amazon, the story of Jeff Bezos is he worked his ass off in this thing to create the thing.

Starting point is 01:17:10 Well, nobody also talks about his grandfather founded DARPA. And that's like, and that's a giant, giant, giant wing of the government which works on technologies. And you go, you know, it's like all, everything gets shut down but Amazon, Amazon fresh stores, all the stuff during COVID. There's a lot going on with that. So then we go, are these private entities or are they wings? Just another arm of the government that's being presented as a private entity. Those are real questions. One of these things though when you have, once you allow government coercion to infiltrate all these institutions,

Starting point is 01:17:48 you have all of these irresolvable conflicts, because there's a question, is it got, if the government gave it all its money, like even Tesla, okay, the government gave them this big loan, so do the, and that comes from taxpayers, so do we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we the the th so do we th th th th th th th th thi, so do we thi, so do we thi.., so do we thi., thi., thi. thi. thi, thi. thi. the, the, th th the, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi................. th is th is th is thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the, the is, the is, the is, the is, thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. theeea. thea. the and my view is you want to, in general, get the government out of this stuff, and in general, do not give them control

Starting point is 01:18:09 of things that they give money to, because that is really dangerous. Because you use the word fascism and it's a word I use a lot. And because it really means, it basically means fake ownership. Right, because the government says, tha, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, do tho, do tho, do thi, do thi, do th, do th, do, do th, do, do th, do, do, do th, do th, do th, do th, do th, do th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. the to the thi. to the thi. thoooooooooooooooooooooooo, ths, but it controls everything. And so that's what you don't want. And one of the big ways the government usurps things is it says, hey, we paid for some of it, theaugh it, therefore we get to control it. That's what they say with health care, right?

Starting point is 01:18:33 Like, oh, or in schools, like, hey, we're giving some money for education, so we get to decide what can't be fat, right? Because it's costing us money. So in general, I say the, these are arguments for the government to get out of it, not for the government to get into these things. And we agree on that. We agree that there is a, we need less government. I totally, it's why I support food trucks. Because a lot thrug, thiiiiiiii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th-I, th-I, th-I, th-I, thr-a, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thr. thr. thr. thooooo. thooooooooooooooooooooo. th. T. th. thoooo. T. T. T. their, because a lot of people get upset because food trucks get to operate without all the permits and the license and all that stuff. Like, oh, getting those permits and license is a fee of entry that not everybody can afford. So like, I don't know, I've talked about some past episodes.

Starting point is 01:19:16 Dave's Hot Chicken is a franchise everywhere, started by a couple buddies of mine in a food truck and now they got 70 locations all over the world. I mean, that would never have been able to happen if they didn't allow for food trucks happen which allow for people with maybe not a lot of income to get in to the space. But going back to what we're talking about and why I brought this up is like with Apple looking to possibly kick Twitter off their their their their app store is there a place where you have to have somebody bigger than the government that I mean bigger than the corporation let's say Apple that could go hey man you have to allow this guy to compete in this area because this has gotten

Starting point is 01:20:01 this marketplace has gotten so big it's more than just a private answer. So I think no. I mean my short answer is no. I mean that's I don't believe in antitrust law. So and I think it's very, it's such an unlimited field for kind of fascist exercise of power. Because what does it really mean? So what I do believe in is the government should not grant monopolies. That's one thing. So a government monopoly, that's a coercive monopoly, that means there's one participant that the government gives a privilege to and then excludes everyone else from that privilege. So professional sports leagues is like that. Well, there's interesting question of that, see, for those, they'll give it an antitrust exemption to the their their their their their their their their – their – their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thus, the government, their, thi, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, their, the government, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, the government, thus, thus, thus, thus, thirty, the government, the government, thirty, their, their, their, their, the government, the government, th.e. And, th. And, that's, their, the government, their, their see for those, they'll give it an antitrust exemption, but I don't know the history of did they actually,

Starting point is 01:20:46 like, how does that work? I just don't think, but the one reason is, this has happened actually with the UFC, we're talking in advance about Jiu-Jitsu, like you're getting all these attackstake the UFC or the App Store, like, these are things that were created basically from nothing. And if you look at the UFC, I mean, they bought, you know, Dana White and Lorenzo Furtida and Frank Fertita bought this thing for $2 million

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Starting point is 01:21:50 Well, no, I don't, I don't, so. What's interesting is, is a lot of the reason that. Life lock. A lot of the government gets to go after private monopoly, which just means earned market share, it can go after anyone or no one. So I'm against it, but I do think that as consumers, you have to be aware, when you're supporting something and you invest everything in and including the Apple infrastructure, which I'm very invested in, you just, you need to be conscious. And if you th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, you th, you th, you th, you th, you th, th, thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, th, th, the th, th, th, th, th, th, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to, toge, toge, togu. togu. togu. togu a mistake and you support something that has a lot of tendencies you don't like,

Starting point is 01:22:28 you can either try to get them to change directly or you can encourage competitors. But it's hard to compete with Apple because they've created so much value. So I choose to use their stuff. But if they, if they really got rid of Twitter, which, by the way way is is is is different is different is different is different is different is different is different is way is different from not advertising on Twitter. Musk. Way different. Musk has implied that people not advertising on Twitter is a violation of free speech, which I don't know what he thinks free speech means, but me, the fact that I don't want to advertise on Twitter doesn't mean I'm violating his right to free speech. Advertising is free speech.

Starting point is 01:22:57 Yeah, well, it should be free speech. But it'll be really interesting if this this this this this this this this thiiii thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th is th is th is th is th is th is thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi such a powerful voice and Twitter is the leading intellectual platform in the world in terms of influence and he has a lot of means and he's talked about even like I'll start a new phone I'll start it so I kind of doubt that it pulling him off the app store would be that would be very very dramatic like in terms of what that meant about their views because it it's really saying like, we think this is dangerous. Think about what Uber did. Uber spied on people and they didn't take them off the App Store when they spied on people. On TikTok is a giant Chinese government spying.

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Starting point is 01:24:13 And I was talking to Senator Tom Cotton because he had a book and he was interested in having a conversation about it on the show. And we talked about this. So if people want to check it out, he has a lot of good stuff in his new book and on that podcast about it, but it's crazy, we have no policy toward China. Like we've got a place whose explicit goal is world domination by 2049, we have total dependency of our supply chain,

Starting point is 01:24:37 and they're building all sorts of weapons and we don't think about it at all. Yeah, I mean, no, well, we are thinking about it. That's what a government should do. That's why we need a government. Which, there's a lot going on. This is a conspiracy podcast. And we've discussed this a lot. There's a lot going on, foreign agents, lobbying, all this stuff that's happening. Like the fact that there are known Chinese police stations in America.

Starting point is 01:25:06 And if you think they're just monitoring the Chinese, I got a Swampland to sell you, okay? Yeah, yeah, I don't, some of the, a lot of things I don't know about, so I can't. But there is a lot of, there's a lot of a doc infiltration that I've seen that is for real. Swindell. Oh, come thel, thel, thel, thel, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, the, the, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is the, is the, is the the, the, the the, the, the the, the the, they, they, they, they. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, is thi, is thi, is thi, come on, bro. Come on, bro. Diane Feinstein? She had a, she had a, her limo driver was a Chinese spy for 20 years.

Starting point is 01:25:33 But what they basically say, listen, man, you know, if you watch a lot of Lex Freeman's thing, he had this guy talk about all the different agencies, and he said the most powerful is the Chinese intelligence because any Chinese nationalist that is in any country is a spy. And they talk about that. And I've been to China. China's wonderful. The people are wonderful. Well, right now, I mean, we have some protesting. And this is another thing where her corporations are so spineless like they I mean

Starting point is 01:26:07 There should be so much supportive the protesters in Iran and in China and just and here They're recruiting they're recruiting up British airforce people because the Britons have no rules on you can't do that So they're getting like 27,000 dollars come over here teach our fucking Chinese people how to fly Air Force One since the British have, we just have no rules on that. Unbelievable, bro, it is just unbelievable, dude. It really is unbelievable. But I want you back to wrap it all up,

Starting point is 01:26:38 back to the fossil fuels. We've had Randall Carlson on here before. He's talked a lot about, you, you, through carbon dating. They could tell temperatures and, you know, if I ask you what was, you might know this, but I ask you guys, without Googling, what is the, the, the highest temperature ever recorded? What day did it happen? What, what, what day in time? Like air temperature? Are we talking like, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what? What? What the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. that? th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. the. that. that. the. that. the.? What day? What day in time? Like air temperature? Are we talking like? What was the highest temperature and what day in year did it have? Like on the planet?

Starting point is 01:27:11 In the whole planet? In the whole planet? Like, is that worth? No, it's recorded history. Record history. Sorry, thank you. in recorded history. 130? No, I'm looking at my thing. But what day? I think, what day in history? I couldn't know.

Starting point is 01:27:29 I assume it was, I assume it was, before the 2000s. I would assume it's recent. It was a day in 1913. Right, it's Death Valley. Right, Death Valley. 1913. If we were, if we were really on the precipice of global warming climate

Starting point is 01:27:50 change, we would be tapping that thing all the time. I like that word. Isn't that what they scare us every time? Oh, new highs. New highs in LA, new highs in LA, new highs in LA, new highs in LA, new highs in LA, new highs. Right. Well, I had this thing with Bernie Sanders, because he had this post that th. New th. New th. New th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, th. they, th. the, the, th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. the they. the the toge. toge. toge. the, th. toge. the, the, the Well, I had this thing with Bernie Sanders because he had this post, this really shows how bad the media are. Like, he had this post that said, there was something that like, the hottest July ever, or there's the hottest July, and he wrote, this is literally the hottest July, and the history, this planet. And I'm like, wait fossil future, like, there are times when it's 25 degrees Fahrenheit warmer on average.

Starting point is 01:28:29 Like, they're eras. Like, it has been so much, we're at a relatively cold part of this planet's history. That was Bernie Sanders who said that? Yeah, he just like, and I just wrote publicly, thii. thiiiiiii. thrific. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. throoooooo-thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. tha. tha. tha. tha. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. toda. this. this. this. toda. toda. this. this. this. this. this. him out on this? And nobody, nobody cares about that. Well, he also praised Venezuela as the model that we should be. Right, well, that's that's another thing he doesn't get called on enough. So with the, yeah, it's, but what we should, I do believe we're having a warming trend, and actually we're having a warming trend before we thi. thri. th. th. th. th. th. thu. thu. thu. thu. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thru. thru. thru. that's. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's thru. thr-n. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that we should that's. that's. that's. thu. thi. thi. thi. thi. thru. thru. thru. thru. thru. thru. thru. thr. thr. thr. thrue. the the the thrue. thrue. thr-n. throeeeeeee. th's just you're taking a tiny window of history and you're in a warming period, it would just be like it's kind of like you're gaining weight but you know you're gaining one ounce a year. It's like oh it's my fattest year ever. Yeah. Okay, but are you obese? Yeah, right. There's just a huge, so again, we need precision when th about this and the people trying to scare us are both ignoring the benefits of false appeals and then they're being very

Starting point is 01:29:27 sloppy about any negatives because they want us to think, oh, it's the end of the world versus oh, this is just another change that we can deal with fairly easily. It's beyond interesting, man. It's just why are they doing it and why are the same people on the same side of every argument? But why not just my explanation is the religion has penetrated the culture and then opportunists, opportunists and people who really embrace the anti-humanity of the religion, they, you know, they're sort of driving it. And there's a lot of opportunists, right? Once you have this situation, there's people whose industry depends on it, there's people who's power depends on it. There's people whose funding depends on it.

Starting point is 01:30:05 There's people who's power depends on it. There's millions and millions of people, literally, whose lives would be very disrupted if I were right. And if you think about like Al Gore, like just think about psychologically, like if I'm right, Al Gore has the world be a much better place had he never been born? Think about that. That's like literally true. Like he's been a huge negative for the world. So that's a hard thing to admit. Like I think you should be willing to do that, but so people are so invested in it.

Starting point is 01:30:34 But I do really think it's this anti-human impact religion. And then all the opportunism and power lost and planning sort and planning is is th planning is th planning and power lost and power lost and planning is th and power lost and power lost and planning is th and power lost and planning is th and power lost and planning sort of is in that environment. Have you ever looked into like Club of Rome? Oh yeah. And what they've talked about and there's YouTube videos of speeches they've given and what climate change and global warming and what all that impact is and then your thoughts on carbon footprints and social credit score like that that's a very dark dark dark dark road to go down and do you have any thoughts on

Starting point is 01:31:18 that? Yeah so you see this a lot right now with I mean Club of Rome has was historically very influential they're still around I mean the World Economic Forum is kind of the big one right now, like Klaus Schwab, that guy. And that's where the, there was the most prominent thing with the carbon credit thing. I mean, what you see is, if you believe that human impact ruins, ruins the world, that ruins of justifies a totalitarianism, and particularly with CO2, if you think CO2 ruins the world, everything we do emit CO2. And so people who really like power love this idea, because it means we're constantly sinning

Starting point is 01:31:53 to an unknown degree, so we need everyone as a sinner who needs to be monitored with a large degree of precision, and then controlled. And it's like, oh, well, your cheeseburger went over your allotment or this trip whenever your allotment. You get a private jet because you're trying to lower others. So it has this, it's a justification for totalitarianism. So I think it's, it's dangerous both because the premise is wrong that this, that using

Starting point is 01:32:18 fossil fuels is bad because it's actually overall good, but then the totalitarian way of dealing with it. Like, even if you thought fossil fuels had all these problems, you should be scared of any totalitarianism because that is, that is going to make life worse. I mean, it's going to make my life much, much worse. And so the people who love it, those are people I, those are people to be scared of who are excited about. But the leaders, some some, some, some, some, some, some, some, so, so, they they they they they, they they, they they, they, they, they they they really, they really, they really, they really, they really, they they they really, they they really, they they they they they they really, thi, thi, they they they they are, they are, they are, they are, they are, they are, they are, they are, they are, they are, they are, they are, they are, th. they are, they are, th. they, they, they are, they are, they are, they are, they are, they are, they are really, they are really, they are really, they are really, thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi.talking about. But the leaders, some of the leaders do. They are like, because they really view people as like a bad animal. That's really the view like vermin or something like that. Yeah, they really do. That's the view. Cattle. And so you think of it, and it's again, it's the mentality behind just enough of me way too much of you. It's like that you are, thiu-au-a. the the m. the m. the m. the m. the mentality the mentality the mentality the mentality the mentality the mentality the mentality the mentality the mentality the mentality the mentality the mentality the mentality behind behind behind behind behind behind behind behind behind behind behind behind behind behind thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi. the mentality behind behind thi, thi, the mentality behind behind behind behind behind the the mentality behind the mentality behind the mentality behind the m. the mentality behind the mentality behind the the the mentality behind behind thi. thi. thi. thi. thi the mentality behind behind behind behind behind thi. the mentality the mentality the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the the. the the the. the the the the the. the a lot of what happens with racism and other things is you dehumanize, like you dehumanize a large percentage of other people. And this kind of anti-impact movement, what happens is that the leaders dehumanize basically

Starting point is 01:33:13 everyone, but particularly everyone who wants a better life, and then they think of themselves as I am somehow, for some unspecified reason, I'm a, usually it's's expertise like I'm an expert so I'm going to control all these non-experts but it's they really embrace that and that's a really scary thing when you have people who think I have a right I have a right to have totalitarian control of everyone else because I'm an expert and I know it's best for them and if if they're free it's going to ruin the planet. And we've really you know,, if you read like Behold the Pale Horse, they talked a lot about, you know, these these documents they've seen where people like we want to make people emotional, like really emotional, political correctness is like more emotional, less logic, right? More emotional reaction

Starting point is 01:34:02 to certain words not like trying to understand their context. And that's kind of what we're starting to see right here. And we also see the flip-flopping on issues, my body, my choice, only when it comes to, you know, right to choose versus the right to choose a vaccine. We see that happen all the time, right? And this is kind of flip-flopped that going going going going going going going going going going going to going to going to going to going, to going, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, to, to, to, the, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, like, like, th, to, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, to, to, to, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they.s.s, right, right, right, right, they. they. they. they. the th they. th tooomomorrow, right, right, the time, right? And this is kind of flip-flopped going on, that even when presented with it, like you kind of said with the cult, the guys never supposed to die, dies,

Starting point is 01:34:31 they still continue with it because there's an ego involved of people would rather be right than do right. And what do right is to admit you are wrong. And that nobody wants to do that. You know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you th. th. that, you see, you see, you see see see see see see see see see see that, you see that, you see that, you see that, you see, you see, you see, you see, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that. that. that, that, that. that, that, that, th. that, that, that, that, thi. that, that, th. th. that, that, that, th. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, nobody wants to do that. You know you see it in in elections, especially in Los Angeles, people voting against their own best interest, you know, helping the homeless, they vote against that, they vote against getting new new people in to try to change it. I'm not pro-I'm I'm anti the people who've been in power for a while and have effed it up let's try give other people but they don't care about that because they see ours they see D's and that's all that matters the D's are always

Starting point is 01:35:14 right or the R's are always right and they vote that that way regardless of what it is and we're we're starting to see that a lot man and then these think tanks the thanks the thanks the thanks the thanks thanks thanks they they they they they are thanks they are they are thanks they are thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks they're thanks thanananananananananananananananan. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they're they're they're they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're thi thi thi. the the the the the theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. they're the. the. the. they're they're to see that a lot man. And then these think tanks with these slogans, trust the science, science denier, like they just have worked all the data and they know what words will get you. You want, oh, I'm not a science denier. Science is this new religion, right? They're just totally believing this new religion. And just you look at how they defended Bill Gates. Bill Gates wants to cut down CO2 and block out the sun.

Starting point is 01:35:51 I think that's important to oxygen and making oxygen. Well, I don't think of that idea as as important. If you believe in a certain danger level of CO2 and warming that I don't believe in. One plausible way to explore is to, you can put particles up in the air kind of like a volcano does, but with less impact on humans. And so you can, you can sort of slightly dilute the sun. That is a plausible thing. I don't think it's, I don't agree with him that the catastrophe at all, so I don't think, but anyway, I just want to to to think think to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be thi thi. to be to be to be to be to be to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be th.. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thr. toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. their. their tooooooo. toe. toe. toe. toe. to all, so I don't think, but anyway, I just want to take issue with that particular thing. But it's, it's, I was I going to say, oh yeah, well, so the, in terms of these slogans and stuff, one resource I would recommend to people, as I created a website called Energy Talking Points. And one of the goals the truth, very compact ways of making points. So I do believe, and this is when I, if people check out my Twitter at Alex Epstein, I post

Starting point is 01:36:48 a lot of threads, like I'm a big believer in, yeah, if you just do any talking points. to come up, it'll come up. And anyway, the goal is to give people the power of concise slogan, so you can search any term you want, or you can type in your email, but you can search in any term. And the idea is to use the power of concision, but with the truth. So because if you just allow the people with false ideas to be concise, is bad news. So part of I have like one of the things is energy Q&A, and it's like, are you a climate denier? And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I I I I I'm like, no, no, no, I'm like, no, no, no, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm like, no, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. to to to to thi. to thi. to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi.. Well, there's two kinds of science, there's a science with the dollar sign, and

Starting point is 01:37:29 then there's the science that's not paid for, right? And science at the capital S. Yeah. So there's the religion element. And I talk about this is like chapter one, which I think people can get online is, it's really important. There's always a distinction between what science, like a the science, the science, the science, the science, their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is thi is thi is a science is an actual researcher thinks. I mean, there's what's true, what a researcher thinks, what somebody synthesizing the researcher thinks, what a newspaper disseminating that to us thinks, and then what a politician deciding what to do about it thinks. And often we get people say, oh, follow the science, and that really means

Starting point is 01:38:02 follow what the politician who's interpreting things thinks we should do. But even if they were right about the science, which is rare for a politician, that doesn't change, that doesn't determine what we should do. So let's say the science is there's a dangerous new virus. That doesn't determine we should lock everyone down. Doesn't determine we should prioritize it at all costs. So people often take their own value judgments that are very poorly thought through and then they call them the science and says one thing I really caution against is that equation. And so whenever anyone says like follow the science do my action you know they're screwing with you. What about Cal Farts and CO2? What about is that is that going to be the

Starting point is 01:38:43 death of us when you go plant-based? or is my boy Joe Rogan who I love is worried about cow burps? Yeah, my bet. Well, so it's it's both. He's very worried about cow burps. So it's it's methane in both cases right. So it's the main greenhouse gas that affects warming is CO2 so carbon dioxide and then methane is CH4. So it's basically yes, that's what's coming coming th, th, th, th, th, that's that's that's th, that's th, that's that's th, that's that's th, that's th th that's thi thi thi thi thi thuom, thuau thou, thou, that's thi that's thiol, that's tho, that's wor wor wor wora, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, that's worried about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about to th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thou, thou, the thou-coe the thou-coe the the thou-coa' thir thir the thir thir thir is CH4, so carbon and four hydrogens. And so it's basically, yes, that's what's coming from the cows. It comes from other things too, like, it's what natural gas is. So if natural gas leaks from the ground, then it'll be that. And basically, it's less significant over all, given the amount of it than CO2 is. And I don't think th th th th th th th th th th th th th th think thin th thin thin th thin thin thin thin thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, to, toe, toeea, toea, toeau. toeau. toeau. So, toeau. So, that's, that's, that's, theate, th CO2 is. And I don't think CO2 is significant enough

Starting point is 01:39:25 to restrict fossil fuels, so I don't think methane is significant enough. But it is a warming gas. One of the big differences is it doesn't last in the atmosphere nearly as long as CO2. One of the things about CO2 that makes it build up, is it lasts a long time. So you, like, you emit, the smoke, to emit, to emit, to emit, to emit, to emit, to emit, the, the smoke clears and it's done. So you can emit smoke every day, but you don't get a buildup of smoke.

Starting point is 01:39:47 Whereas with CO2, you get a buildup because it adds a lot more quickly than it clears. But my view is just these are, they have effects but they're not catastrophic effects, and they're positives and negative. You hear that, Joe, tho's great, Joe's, Joe's, Joe, Joe, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the to, the the the too, the the the too, the too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, to to too, buys into all this climate stuff, though. He's had some better guests on. He had this guy, Steve Coonon, who wrote a book called Unsettled Physicist who was in the Obama administration, actually. And Steve, I think he mentioned, yeah, I think he actually mentioned moral case for fossil fuels on Joe's show.

Starting point is 01:40:16 And then that's where I heard about your book. I was trying the same way. So he's getting exposed to better, to better thinking and it's time to get exposed to the best. Yeah, I would love that because I think you'd be great on there. So I want to end it on this. This show is is is is is is is is is is this show is is a this show is a this show is a this show is a conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy. This show. This show. This show is a conspiracy is a conspiracy. This show is a conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy. This. This is a conspiracy. I. I. I. I. I. I to to to to end it on to end it on to end it on to end it. I to end it. I to end it. I to end it. I to end it. This. This. This. This. This is a conspiracy. This show. This show. This show. This show. This show. This show. This show. This show. This show. This show. This show. This show. This show is a conspiracy. This show. This show is a conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy is a conspiracy conspiracy is a conspiracy. This. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm a conspiracy. I'm. I'm a conspiracy. I'm. I'm a conspiracy. I. I'm a conspiracy. I. I. I'm a conspiracy. I. I'm a conspiracy show, but we always talk about how conspiracy leads to spirituality. Do you see any spiritual components to this? You enter depopulation and stuff like that. Within your research, is there room for that maybe there's something deeper going on,

Starting point is 01:41:02 that it's not just about, you know, concern about the population growth or concern about power, concern about money, but... Do you think this is a manufactured climate? Well, I don't, I thought you were going to go to a different reaction with the spiritual things. No, like, so for me, it's like, when you go, when I ask you, it's like for me it's like when you when you go when I ask you it's deep population do you think this has a depopulation agenda and you go yeah for me I think it's open I think it's open I think it's open but I think that part is open because it fits into like we're trying to save the planet we got you know Bill Gates in his sweater doesn't matter what month it is he's in a sweater and he's like got these weird like punching Judy arms with these with and you still see is

Starting point is 01:41:49 his ciches it's very weird but and he's like if the vaccine works correctly we're gonna you know we'll lower the population by 15% and then you you get into and you if you don't see that's fine too but then you get into that you know that you know that you know that you tha th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. that the the the the the. the. that that that the. th. th. the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell. tha. tell. tell. too te. te. too. te. te. te. te. tell. tell. the tha. the the the the that's fine too. But then you get into that, you know, that, you know, when they talk about human impact, along with bare impact, they want to lower it. Is there something else to it? Because I think there is. But what kind of thing would it be?

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Starting point is 01:42:59 for humans. Like if you look at just, you you, you you, you you, you you, you you, you you, you you, you you, you t, you t, you t just you take the climate like the whole climate catastrophe thing has a lot in parallel with primitives who believe in weather gods, right? It's like you, the weather is scary, it changes a lot, you don't know what's going on and so you think well it must be us. And so if I do this thii, it's going to be bad, happening now. It's like there was a bad flood and it must be us and we have to repent, but part of it is, like before you have science, you don't understand how the world works. And it's scientific method is very, very recent,

Starting point is 01:43:33 and even there's a lot of things we still don't understand with that. So one thing is the anti-humanhuman things things thing bloodletting, say a George Washington or something, that was anti-him. It wasn't anti-human and goal, but it was anti-human in effect. So that's a lot of things, this people just don't know what's going to be true. And then it's possible for, uh, it's possible for people to have anti-human assumptions about the world. So I mentioned this idea, impact as self-destructive, like, like, thuuuuuu, like, th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. It is, th. It is, th. It is th. It's, th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. It's thi. It's thi. is self-destructive. Like if you believe that, then you face this challenge because even if you want to be pro-human, you think, well if we're if we benefit ourselves it's going to ruin everything. That's kind of the narrative, right? If we use this oil, we're going to run out.

Starting point is 01:44:13 If we eat this food, we're going to starve. Like you have, so it's the only way of protecting ourselves. And then some people also, and I think this is more common than people think, is they they just, it's possible to have an anti-human idea and you really know it's anti-human. And one reason people have anti-human ideas is because it makes them feel superior to others. So I think a lot of people like the idea. I think there's a lot of that. That anti-hute, people like the idea that impact is bad. Like a lot of these protesters, I don't know if you've seen the footage. I've been, I've worn this I Love Fossil Fuel shirt in New York City at like with 300,000 people. If you search Alex Epstein, people's climate march. You can see I have a sign and thii. So I've been around tensensensensensensensensensensensensensensensensensensensensensensensensensensensensensensensens t tens t tens tens tens tens tens te te te te te. I the the their their their their I their I their I their I've their I've their I've their I've their I've their I've the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I don't th. I th. I don't th. I th. I don't th. I the an the an the an the an the an the an the an the an the an the, I the, I psychologically for the most part. Of course! Shocking. Physically, too, I'd say. Yeah, physically in a lot of ways.

Starting point is 01:45:08 But you can see like part of what they like, they like the idea that all these successful rich people are bad. Because if impact is bad, all these successful, wealthy people are bad, and that makes you superior. Just like the idea of the 1% being bad makes people who don't achieve. I think there's a lot of those guys that, you know, at this protest you were at that, that in deep downside, hate their fathers and they, this represents, capitalism represents their dad and they want to push back against that. It could. So what I'm saying is these are all reasons why people these are all just scientific this

Starting point is 01:45:45 worldly reasons why so I don't I don't believe in forces in secret societies this is where we're diving into the murky waters well I believe that they can exist but then I don't know about them if they're secret that's your next book did secret secret societies they don't know about secret size in effect on fossil fuels one more dude thank you so much for going on I've been wanting to do the the to do to do to do to do to do the to do to do to do the to do the to do the the to do to do the the to do the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their the their s. their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. I. I. I their. I the the the the their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. theeeeeeeeeeeeeea. their their their their their their on fossil fuels. One more, dude, thank you so much for coming on. I've been wanting to do the show for a while and it was an X-LAB episode. Great to me to tell you guys. And hopefully we'll, we'll sell a ton of books for you so people could do it. Yeah, and I got books for you guys. Thank you. I have yours. Yeah, I have th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I have yours. Yeah, I have your. Yeah, I have th. Yeah, I have th. Yeah, I have th. Yeah, I have th. Yeah, I have to. Yeah, I have to. Yeah, I have to. Yeah, I have to. Yeah, to. Yeah, to. Yeah, to to. Yeah, I have to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to do. Yeah, to do. Yeah, to do. Yeah, to do. Yeah, to do. Yeah, to do. Yeah, to do. Yeah, to do. Yeah, to do. Yeah, to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. the. the. to. Yeah, to to to to the to do. read it. The dog loves to read. The dog is conspiracy theory, thinks the limo driver shot JFK.

Starting point is 01:46:28 So one more time, can you tell us where we can find all your stuff? I know you haven't mentioned a couple websites. No, look, that's the favorite question if you're a guest of a show, so I appreciate it. So the book is fossil future. the book is fossil future. the f f f f f. the book. the book. the book. the book, the book, thu. thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, the book, tho, the book, the book, th. the book, the book, thi, thi, thi, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, thi. So, the thi, the the the thi, the thi, the thi. So, thi. thi. thi. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. So, tom. So, tom any way you want to get it, you can get it there. I'm on Twitter at Alex Epstein, as long as Elon allows me there. We'll see how long. We'll fight for you, bro. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:46:52 We'll see how long that last. He's for free. And then the website that I think people should really check it out. And thrown, I thi the thin thin thin thin that's that's, that's, that's, that's, for free and very easy to use form. So highly recommend checking that out. Well, I appreciate that Alex. Thanks to come on. Tino. Can you tell them where they can find you? Tino. Tino.

Starting point is 01:47:11 Bomaier. Bomaye. Bomae. You know, from they. Yeah. thanks for me, I all the links and I'll include it. Guys real quick, watch your social media so they can find it. Actually marks the spot on all social media, actually marks the spot. I'm at Johnny Woodard on Twitter, at Johnny A Woodard on Instagram.

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Starting point is 01:48:50 And now that we got this big following, it is beyond a blessing. I take it very serious. We give you the best shows and we love you very much. And we wouldn't be able to do this without you, we just talk to yourself so we love you very much take care and thanks for listening to show bye we go deep home boy open your mind drink from the fountain of knowledge there's lizard people everywhere that's some interdimensional shit Wake up, Aaron!

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Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #626: The Fossil Fuel and Climate Change Psyop With Alex Epstein and Tino Sanchez

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