Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #670: Satanic Ritual Abuse with Dr. Colin Ross

Starting point is 00:00:00 Timfoil Hattie. Oh, what the fuck are you guys even talking about? Global controls will have to be imposed, and a world governing body will be created to enforce them. Welcome to Tinfoil Haas. We go deep, home, boy. Aaron, open your mic. Drink from the fountain of knowledge.

Starting point is 00:00:27 There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. There's, you just blew my mind. Are you ready to get your mind done? Good! Morning, Swarm and welcome the tip-all hat. You know I am, you know what I'm here to do.

Starting point is 00:00:50 I'm here too. Ro-ah- Join me as always, Xavier Greerel and Anna Wunz-2's, juicy Johnny, J-Nice. to Jni-ni J-niz, Johnny Woodard. You know, I'm not sure. I mean, I could say, I'm good or bad. Let me, let me use my words very, very specifically. Interesting episode. I'm gonna tell you guys, it's an interesting episode. Yes. It is a, or no, I mean, you know, it depends on.

Starting point is 00:01:18 Or it could be a not interesting episode. I find it to be interesting. And Johnny, kind of get into what you were talking about. We had a doctor on and Dr. Colin Ross and a really smart guy and he came in to talk to us about satanic ritual abuse. But his take is very interesting Johnny what do you think? I would say should we say anything? Well we should give people a little heads up here. Yes. He's agnostic about it and I think what's going on here is you got somebody who has a doctor it. They've been in academia. But he's like a literal doctor not like. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he's a practicing therapist. Yeah, yeah. And he's written books. I mean, but he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he is th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. he's a practicing therapist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's written books, I mean, but he's, he is an academic.

Starting point is 00:02:08 And those kinds of people are, you know, simply by virtue of having been in schools for a good chunk of their lives, very non-committal when it comes to things they can't prove for certain. Right. Beyond any doubt. That's what, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's what we we we we we we we we're that's what's what we're that's what's what we're that's what we're that's what we're that's what we're that's what we're that's that's that's that's th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thin books. thin books. thoomk. thoombs. thoombs. thoom. tho. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. he. he. he. he's he's he's he's he. he's he. he. he's he. he. he's he. he. he. he's he. He's he. He's he. He's he's things they can't prove for certain, right, beyond any doubt. And that's what that's what we're kind of grappling with in this episode when we try to pin him down a few times on these issues. It's interest. I don't want to give too much away but... We gave one run for his money. Well no, no, but I tell you when he does, when he does come in with things that he agrees on, that adds a little umps to it because... No, I mean like... You know he's playing straight. Well, you'll listen, like he believes a lot of stuff that we believe in. There's just a little disconnect, right? There's just an academic disconnect,

Starting point is 00:02:56 which is okay. And guys, so I could easily 50 minutes in this thing going, I don't know what this battle. It's belief versus no. You know what I mean? And he wants to know things. Actual evidence, right? Well, not even evidence. Because he conceded there is evidence of many of these things. But evidence is not proof.

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Starting point is 00:03:53 and and if you guys found that out I think you guys would be well I mean that's disingenuous right because you're only putting out stuff that that fits your narrative and I don't like that. I want the show to be all sides in all discussions. I think it does fit the narrative.. I, the narrative, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that's that's that's that's that's th th th this thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th is th is th is th is th is thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi don't like that. I want this show to be all sides and all discussions. I think it does fit the narrative by the way. Because he is into a lot more stuff than we believed. Yeah, totally. And the idea that someone with his kind of experience as an academic and entreating people who have been abused or at least think they have according to him has come this far on this you know yeah there's a time when people like this wouldn't even like the Epstein thing wouldn't even dab on that yeah I think that's I'm with Johnny when the episode I was like oh he's not gonna

Starting point is 00:04:35 but he's just gonna tell us we're wrong we're complete right no but then we throw in the epsen the stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff stuff the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. there, but he said it was just not connecting the dots. Well, he said, it wasn't him saying we don't have any, he was saying that he doesn't know. And I'm okay with that. Yeah, I'm okay. I think I think we could do it some more uncertain. I think you guys will find it interesting, you know, I mean, it basically took, it basically took, it, it, it, it, took, took, took, took, took, took, took, took, took, took, took, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, to, to, the, to, to, the, they, the, the, the, the, the, we don't, we don't, we don't, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they. the, they. the, wasn't, the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the, wasn't, wasn't, the, wasn't, the, the, wasnero asking the right questions get us back on track. So it is a roller coaster of emotions this show. I enjoyed it. I feel like there was that there was moments in the show I thought it was gonna be another Nick Pope episode, but both the guys on the show, even though Johnny wasn't there,

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Starting point is 00:09:00 Aaron, open your mic. Drink. Okay, let's get into, I'm very excited to talk to this guest. He is an author, he is a podcaster. He has his books called, his book, he's got a bunch of books, one of them is called Satanic Ritual Abuse, Principle of Treatment, published by the University of Toronto. Very honored to have my, please welcome Dr. Colin Ross. How are you, Doctor? I'm good, thanks.

Starting point is 00:09:31 Yeah, we're doing great. Do you live in Toronto? No, I have two children who live in Toronto. I'm in the Austin area. Oh, you're down here. Yeah, man. I was just in Toronto. I love that city. It was a lot of fun. Happy people up there.

Starting point is 00:09:47 So doctor, thank you so much for join us. We really do appreciate it. Real quick, for those who may not be familiar with you, can tell us a little bit about yourself and where they can find you. Sure. So I'm Colin Ross, a psychiatrist. Born in Canada, grew up there, did medical school in Edmonton in Canada. Then psychiatry in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's where I kind of grew up. And then in 91, I moved to Texas,

Starting point is 00:10:16 where I was working at a hospital called Charter Hospital, that whole hospital system closed. Then I was working at a place called Timberlawn. That hospital closed. I moved to another hospital in the Dallas area, and I had hospital trauma programs in Michigan and LA for about 20 years. So all of that stopped. It kind of wound down over the last couple of years officially stopped last year. And now I have outpatient programs in the Dallas area and the Austin area.

Starting point is 00:10:50 Okay. Well, that's what's the by the thing. Do you have a website? Do you have a website, a Twitter and Instagram or wherever we can send our listeners to? So I have multiple websites. But the main one is Ross, Inst? ROS-S-S-I-N-S-T. thoub, which is the Ross Institute. And then Trauma Recovery, I-N-S-T.

Starting point is 00:11:18 Which is the Trauma Recovery Institute, which is my treatment center that's in both Austin and the Dallas area. Okay, so. Just search all in A Ross MD, stuff will come up. Okay, all the links are below. So we'll make sure to that you all can have those, because there's a lot of different place to and it's going to be great. I'm very excited about this conversation. So satanic ritual abuse. You know I'm 50. I've been through a lot.

Starting point is 00:11:54 I've seen this kind of journey from satanic panic. We had like, you know, the metal of the 70s and 80s, an introduction to more blatant satanic images and satanic panic, and then that seemed to go away for a while. Now we're back into this thing where Hollywood, the record industry, excuse me, or music industry is really, really seems to be pushing us to the forefront. Where does your journey begin into the investigation of satanic ritual abuse? So I finished my psychiatry training in 85 in Winnipeg. And then I was a hospital-based psychiatrist, associate professor at the University of Manitoba until 91. And that's when I started seeing people with multiple personality and really got into. associate professor at the University of Manitoba until 91.

Starting point is 00:12:45 And that's when I started seeing people with multiple personality and really got into that as a subspecialty area. And in the course of those six years, I never saw anybody with full-on satanic ritual abuse story, where it's a well-organized multi-generational cult. They have meetings, child sacrifice, pentagrams, candles, altars, all that kind of stuff. So when I arrived in the hospital, now we're November 91. Within the first couple of months, I started to hear stories of, yeah, I grew up in a satanic cult and all the sacrifices were done and people were bred on purpose to create babies that were not registered that were

Starting point is 00:13:33 sacrificed. My dad was a high priest. And sometimes it was kind of a military angle on it, which is my dad either got in trouble himself and got bribe because of child sexual abuse, pornography, whatever he was doing. And then the military took me over and I was on a base and I was at special training sessions as a kid and so on. So there's a lot of overlap. So none of this is like proven, verified, objective evidence, but this is what I started to hear. And then I thought, at the same time I started to hear about I was in some sort of military CIA mind control program as a kid where the following list of things were done to me for the purpose of creating an alter personality,

Starting point is 00:14:26 or one or more, then could be used for various missions and assignments and so on. So I started hearing both these kind of stories within months of arriving in Texas. And so my first reaction was, what the heck? I don't know what this is all about. I've never heard of this. There's no publications on it in the heck? I don't know what this is all about. I've never heard of this. There's no publications on it in the mainstream literature. I don't know if it's real, not real. No idea kind of what the treatment would be.

Starting point is 00:14:55 And so I started to look into both in terms of reading and, you know, researching the literature, which we're now pre-internet, so it's all hand-searching. So on satanic ritual abuse, there's just a few books, mostly kind of Christian, we're scared of the Satanist type stuff. Zero professional literature, zero papers published in journals, zero guidance on, okay, somebody tells you the story, now what? And then the more I looked into it, it was just like searching for people in the fog. Never really could find any solid information anywhere. Nobody had any court level objective convicting the Satanist kind of

Starting point is 00:15:46 evidence. So sort of parallel track, I was looking into CIA military mind control, completely different experience. The more I looked into it, which is reading books, one or two papers scattered around the literature, But I would read a book, find out about somebody who published on that topic, go to the library, get that reference, look at the references for that reference. So I was manually tracking all this stuff free internet. And then I ended up going down to a CIA reading room in the Washington area. And they brought in a trolley with the 149 M.K. Ultra subproject files in it.

Starting point is 00:16:32 And I read through all of those, and then I ordered a bunch of them. It's kind of science fiction sounding, but this is, then I was able to document a whole history of CIA military mind control that's objective, that's, you know, there's documents, the CI admits to it, and there's some other books written about that before that. And so on the one journey, no objective evidence, on the other journey, the more I looked into it, the more objective evidence in a giant pile, including experimentation within MK Ultra and related subprojects that had quite a few of the components of the stories that people were telling me. And so then this led to two books I published in 95 and then 2000.

Starting point is 00:17:28 One on satanic ritual abuse, one on CIA military mind control. So that's basically how I got into it, hearing stories from patients and then investigating. Damn, dude. That's crazy. So what I'm led to believe is that you believe that there is, there is something going on and that they're more willing to say it's a CIA M.K. Ulter program than a satanic ritual? Or is your position that there's no satanic rituals they're actually just CIA, CIA, MK Ultra events? Kind of neither.

Starting point is 00:18:14 So the CIA, so M-C-I-A-C-A-C-Ultrie, it's just one of a whole set of sub-projects. Those objectively exists, but there's no like weird rituals in the public documents. Right. So that's a military mind control. In terms of satanic ritual abuse, there's all the descriptions of all the ceremonies, but there's no documentation that any of that took place. So basically, my, the position I take is called therapeutic neutrality. So now remember, I'm now talking as a psychiatrist, therapist.

Starting point is 00:18:50 People come, they tell these stories, what's my position on it? And my position is, I don't believe it, and I don't not believe it. So I can't prove it's real. It'd be handy if somebody could prove it was real, at least some of it. And I can't prove that it's not real because, first of all, I don't have a whole squad of detectives working for me. But how am I going to prove that something 30 years ago never happened, right, that happened in secret, that was illegal, that was covered up? So it's just a fact that I don't know for a fact that it is real and I don't know for a fact that it's not real.

Starting point is 00:19:32 So like proceeding in therapy, I'll give you some examples, but proceeding in therapy, that leads to like a whole stance that I take and it leads to, okay, here's the strategies, here's the tasks, here's the interventions. So the when the satanic panic wave hit in the 90s, the False Memory Syndrome Foundation was formed and they were attacking, discrediting, multiple personality disorder and there's never been any satanic ritual abuse at all was their position. And then the therapy community was kind of on the defensive and going, oh yeah no it's real, it's real, it's real, it's real, and it became

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Starting point is 00:22:58 what they're saying is true? Yeah, and just in general, there's nothing about it that to me seems implausible or impossible. If you think, okay, shortly before I was born was the end of the Second World War, and my dad fought in the Second World War, and the Nazis obviously had a lot of pagan, kind of white supremacy style beliefs. They were very organized. They had uniforms. They got together and they, ritually, well you might not call it ritually, but they sure sacrificed six million people. So human beings in a very organized fashion, getting together, having a belief system, wearing costumes and murdering people in a very organized fashion, getting together, having a belief system, wearing costumes, and

Starting point is 00:23:46 murdering people in a very gory, you know, sadistic kind of way, welcome to human history, right? Yeah, it is kind of crazy. Are there any of your cases that stood out to you? Um, there's not one that stood out in the sense that I got some evidence, or one was, there's some that stood out in both directions. We did have one case in the 90s, probably four or five-ish in there somewhere. Whole ritual abuse history. She was a breeder for the cult. Three or four or five babies were killed in sacrifices. No other than registered. A complex system of personalities inside with different you know, different ways of keeping secrets

Starting point is 00:24:45 from one part of the mind, so the other part of the mind didn't know, all kinds of feelings and PTSD that go along with that. And then she had to be seen by a gynecologist because she's having some symptoms. And the gynecologist said, well, yeah, she has an intact hymen and she's never been pregnant. Where, what? None of it happened, none of it at all. But it was very complex, if you're willing to believe it, very plausible, all the feelings, it was consistent. And then on the other end of the spectrum, is people who,

Starting point is 00:25:23 not trying to get any advantage or know, advantage or extra treatment or get out of legal problems or being manipulative or being theatrical and they're just telling their trauma story and working on it. So there's not just kind of like one profile that fits everybody. There's a, on the opposite end of the spectrum, not my personal experience, but like the example of, okay, let's say you and I are ardent false memory type people. Well, here's a story that's obviously not true, and any idiot can see it's not true. The woman says, well, I was a research assistant at the University of Minnesota and my employer, my supervisor, who was a professor of the University of Minnesota, dozed me with LSD and put me in a room entirely lined with leaves that was on the campus of the University of Minnesota.

Starting point is 00:26:21 And she comes to the yard and she tells the story. Okay, come on, like, there's no professor at the University of Minnesota dosing people with LSD and putting them in a room that's all lined with leaves on campus. Impossible, false, ridiculous, right? But the professor was Amadeo Marazzi, who was previously the head of chemical warfare at Edgewood Arsenal. He was funded by the Office of Scientific Research to do LSD experiments. And in one of those publications that I have a copy of, there's a research subject sitting in the Aims leaf room that he had constructed that was on campus, which is basically made out a two by fours of plywood.

Starting point is 00:27:07 And you see the research subject is sitting just inside the room, which is open at the near end, closed at the far end, and it's totally lined with leaves. And this Dr. Ames developed that on contract to the Office of Naval Research. And this guy, who's the research subject, he's wearing special goggles that have have, and th., and the the Office of Naval Research, and this guy who's the research subject, he's wearing special goggles that have a miso conic lenses that make all the perspectives be out of whack, and he's high on LSD, and he's adjusting a bar at the far end of the room to make it look horizontal because he's got two knobs you can control, and the bar is like this. This is all objective reality. This really happened to this woman, totliontotlion, thly, that, thly, thly, thly, thly, thly, thly, thly, thly, thly, thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have to have th th that have that have that have that have that have that have that have that have that have that have that have that have that have that have that have that, that, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, to have the, to have to have to have the, to have to have the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theananananananananananananananananan, to have to have the, the, the, the, th bars like this. This is all objective reality. This really

Starting point is 00:27:46 happened to this woman, totally objectively for real. And by the way, the astounding conclusion from this research was if you are high on LSD and wearing anisoconic lenses you can't see straight. They really broke ground there, huh? Wow. It's so ancient. But so then that's a crazy, obviously impossible false memory that's totally objectively real, which just takes me back to my conclusion.

Starting point is 00:28:14 You never know for sure either way. You can think you know for sure. You can have lots of attitudes. You can trash talk people with the opposite set of beliefs, but really nobody knows for sure, for sure. I don't think that everything that was reported at the height of the satanic panic was all objectively real. I doubt that zero was real.

Starting point is 00:28:36 Are there some, could you go into specifics there? What are some of the things that we, you know, that I'm sure we've talked about here during the satanic panic that you think we're particularly likely to be, you know, either false memories or genned up nonsense? And what would you, what are you inclined to link credence to? Well, it's all the same stuff. It's not like there's some bits of... I mean, are there specific events that you recall? That, that, or are you taking the same approach, like sort of agnostic to all of them? Yeah, because for the fact, I don't know that it's real or not real. Right. I can have all my personal opinions, but the, the, so slightly changing the topic. We'd love to hear your opinions, by the way way way way th way th way th way that that th way that tho. That tho. That's tho. That's thi thi. That's thi. That's thi. That's thi. That's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. Are that's that's that's that, are that, are that, are that, are that, are that, are that, are that, are that, are that you are th. Are th. Are th. Are th. Are th. Are th. Are th. Are th. Are th. Are th. Are th. Are th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. thi. thi. the. thi. Are you are thi. Are you are thi. Are you are thi. Are you are thi. thi. th, the, so slightly changing the topic. So I'd love to hear your opinions, by the way. This is a very light hearted show.

Starting point is 00:29:28 Yeah, yeah. If you want to dive into opinions, we'd love to do it. Yeah, like, what I mean, like, I would love to know like, like, if, if anything that you got where you're like, okay, investigate this, this didn't make sense, but then I investigate this and this did make sense because what I'm trying to understand is, is it the, is it your take that most of this is just not even real? My take is I don't know. My take is I really don't think 100%'s real and I really don't think 0% is real, and I really don't think 0% is real. And that's the best I can say. Like the son of Sam, there's some of that's real, right?

Starting point is 00:30:12 The son of Sam is... I mean, there has to be an element of something that will kick this off to get it going. Or... or... Well the false people will say it's all just hysteria and urban legends and contamination from stories people have made up and they'll go to you know this book kicked off the satanic or that book. Yeah maybe. Did you ever find a case at all where any of it was real? Well that's not exactly the right question. What is the right question? The right question is, did I find a case where I had proof that it was real?

Starting point is 00:30:54 What would, what would, what would, I would, I would not, did you find a case that convinced you it was real? Let's not say, let's not even call it proof, but that you were convinced more likely than not that it was real. And what were those? Not really because it's all kind of the same stuff all the time. It's not like there's the, oh, there's this group of stories, they don't seem believable, and there's that group of stories, they do seem believable. It was all the same things thing. things things things th th th. It was th. It was th. It was thi. It was thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. Not the. Not thi, thi. Not thi. Not thi. Not thi. Not thi. No, th. No, th. No, not th. No, not th. No, not th. No, not th. No, th. No, th. No, th. No, the. the. the. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. It's the. It's the. I theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. theeevable, it was all the same thing. You know, I grew up in abusive family, there was incest, physical, emotional, sexual abuse inside the family. Probably my uncles and my cousins were involved. Nothing ritual. And then my dad, with or without my mom's knowledge, would transport me by car deep into the woods and I might be drugged beforehand and then all this ritual stuff would happen and then I was

Starting point is 00:31:52 brought back home. That was and the rituals included exactly what you would expect. There's sometimes it's just a bunch of, sometimes it's 13 people in either black or purple robes, in a circle, chanting, there's an altar, a child is sacrificed on the altar, etc. It was basically the same scenario with some variations. Are the primary sources for these usually children or are they adults that are remembering things that happen to them as children? So I'm an adult psychiatrist so it's all adults. It's all adult, okay.

Starting point is 00:32:31 Now does that, would you, would you be more inclined to believe it from a child, so it's, from a child, so it came from a child who is less likely to have been influenced by culture and books, etc. Well the problem there is so again the false memory people they're going to say oh kids are suggestible mom must have told them they must have seen it on TV they picked it up from even if they can't identify where it was that was picked up from. Okay what's your take on the West Memphis 3, that case? Okay, so that's a case. So there is objective evidence of what's called dabblers.

Starting point is 00:33:14 That is, so but we're talking about these organized, multi-generational secret cults that, yeah, revised children. There's no objective, you could get a conviction level of evidence that I've ever seen, but there are, there's murder scenes where somebody's got like satanic symbols carved on their body. There's teenagers who get together, there's a satanic element to it, and they either abuse each other or kill somebody. That happens for sure. And you know, there's people who identify themselves as Satanists

Starting point is 00:33:53 who get together and do not sure exactly what, but not that kind of criminal human sacrifice stuff. So there's Satanism that's involved in drugs, involved in group sex, it's kind of kinky, maybe there's pornography, that probably exists. But what would have to constitute for you to believe there's evidence of it? Like, what would that be if I said, hey, the, uh, this, uh, this, uh, this, uh, this, uh, thus, the, uh, this, th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th believe there's evidence of it. Like, what would that be? If I said, hey, this over here, they're doing sacrifices over here. How would you investigate that? Well, I wouldn't

Starting point is 00:34:38 personally investigate it, obviously, but it's just all standard police stuff and standard court evidence. If you find a video tape, well, that's pretty conclusive. If you find a body, you know, where the heart's been cut out and there's a pentagram on the floor and there's blood all over the place and there's candles and there's paraphernalia and also obviously something happened there. If you've got a perpetrator confession, if you've got two, three eyewitnesses are all telling the same story who are credible adults, it's just the same kind of investigation that any law enforcement would do, any prosecutor, any private detective.

Starting point is 00:35:22 There's nothing different about it. So we just had a case in Utah where the sheriff is coming out and saying that there is satanic ceremonies being dumb. Would that would that constitute something for you? Does it have to be a conviction for you to go okay that was a real story or if law enforcement goes hey this is real is real, but then, but the case doesn't end up going anywhere. Right, well then it's just an allegation, right? Right. So you need a conviction. Well, it's not that I need a conviction to know for sure, for sure, for sure, you've got to have some kind of

Starting point is 00:36:05 objective evidence. It's no difference from, you know, the sheriff says there was a bank robbery. Okay, well I doubt if the sheriff's going to lie about a bank robbery happening, but I go, okay, where, when, what's your evidence? Okay, you have a confession. It's exactly the same thing. And people get like either hysterically believing or violently skeptical when the police saw, when the sheriff says that. But really, they don't react like that when the sheriff says there was a break-in or a car theft or a mugging. Because you generally assume that the police have got some kind of evidence

Starting point is 00:36:49 before they say that, right? Right. So, but then, so what is the evidence? What, why keep it all secret? Let's hear it. I'm with you on that. So, so would they have to be convicted of, let's say, is there a crime called Satan worshipping? No.

Starting point is 00:37:12 No, that's the freedom of religion issues. The crime would be child sexual abuse or murder. Okay. Do you believe that child sexual abuse and murder happens? Yeah, obviously. Okay. So, so has there been a case where you saw that the prosecution introduced satanic worshiping as a reason and then it got, got a conviction? Not, not this kind of high level, multigenerational. got a conviction? Not this kind of high level, multi-generational, felt conviction.

Starting point is 00:37:51 I've never heard of one. Okay, what would you call Nexium? What would you call that? Yeah. Well, first of all, I don't know that story thoroughly, thoroughly, but I mean, he got convicted. There's lots of people testifying. You can see the brands on them. The movie star woman or TV star woman whose name I forget,

Starting point is 00:38:13 she didn't deny that all that happened. Well, I guess my question is, are there commonalities in a case like that where you see like ritual cult abuse and the kinds of things that you've investigated? Well there's commonalities at the level of not actually the activity itself because in Nexar, I didn't hear any evidence that there was Satanism involved or you know all the symbols and there's but there are quite a few rituals it seemed involved in a lot of what they said. So organized ritual abuse, that's a separate question. Oh, okay. There was some sort of organized ritualistic abuse in the Nexian cultured for, I mean, according to the conviction, right? But that doesn't make it satanic. Right. Okay.

Starting point is 00:39:05 So organized, ritualized, sexual abuse of children. I mean, that's a billion dollar industry, multi-billion dollar industry. Every child pornography, sex trafficking. You know, we think that the sex traffickers around the world, the cartels, they wouldn't stoop to any satanic ritual abuse. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. I'm curious, now I see that you have, some of your assertions are based on historical evidence.

Starting point is 00:39:36 What are some of the historical evidence you rely on when you say that it's plausible that this is happening now, it's as likely as not, at least, that it's happening now. Well, you mentioned the Nazis. I'm curious if there are some other examples. Welcome to human history, right? Genocide all over the place going back for thousands of years. If you read about medieval torture and you look at all these torture implements, that's some pretty crazy, organized, sadistic, violent killing of human beings and cutting them open and stretching them and et cetera, et cetera.

Starting point is 00:40:13 So my point being crazy, organized, you know, way off the charts, sadistic, murder by human beings is all over the place in human history. That's not debatable. So therefore, the style gets debated and not believed in. But if we forget the style and the satanic trappings, that's happened all over the place for thousands of years. Do you believe in saint worshipping? Well, that's not a personal belief question either because there's several satanic organizations that say that we're Satanist. But they don't say, oh, and we sacrifice children and commit all these crimes.

Starting point is 00:41:01 They'll say, you know, we have get-togethers and we wear costumes, but we don't do anything criminal. So, so at that level, Satanism is again, just an objective fact. Hey guys, real quick here, I want to tell you about our friend Jay-Dyer, and he's due to a big show with Jamie Kennedy and Jamie Henshaw. It's a philosophy and comedy show. It's July 6th in Los Angeles, okay? They're th. And th. And th. th. th. th. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're th. they're th. th. they're they're th. they're thi. they're they're they're they're thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so. So. So, so. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So, so. So. So. So. So, so. So. So. So, so. So. So, th. So, th. So. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So. It's July 6th in Los Angeles. Okay, they're tou'n the country and they're making a stop in LA and it is July 6th. You can go to Eventbrite. I'm sure you can go to Jay Dyer.com check it out, but hey man, grab your tickets now. It's a comedy, philosophy. Stand up, Q&A, all the fun.

Starting point is 00:41:45 Just go check it out now. Okay, so, so it has to be like, so, is it, your belief that there's been never been any documentation that generational families have been committing crimes, like such as, let's say, the Queen Elizabeth, right? She gets convicted in a court in the disappearance of Native Canadian children, ten Native Canadian children. Then her son is associated with a radio disc jockey that is very famous in Britain for pedophilia. Is that something a lot? Is it that they have to be like, we're doing it in the name of Satan that is the, is the, the point

Starting point is 00:42:46 in which you are trying to find evidence in. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So groups of people getting together and doing all kinds of crazy gory, sexual murder, ritualized stuff. There's no doubt that takes place. And people in power covering up and hiding stuff that's no doubt that takes place. And people in power covering up and hiding stuff that's been going on for centuries. Welcome to all the exposure of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church and covering it up and transferring the priests to another diocese and so on. There's no doubt all

Starting point is 00:43:23 stuff goes on. I mean but in Geoffrey Epstein's Island, I mean the temple alone looks pretty pretty ritual where it's like they're doing something there. It's not just like even if they are sex trafficking there's more to it than just that. I agree with that totally. So can I but we're back to the evidence, right? So what is the evidence that we have? Well, we know nobody disputes that Jeffrey Epstein was trafficking underage children to powerful political and business people and wealthy people. And he was flying all kinds of people to little St. James Island, aka Orgy Island in his airplane. All that's publicly known and he was convicted

Starting point is 00:44:06 for child sex trafficking and so on. So that we know for sure. What else do we know for sure? Yeah, did he kill himself or did he get murdered? We don't know for sure for sure on that. I would say either perfectly possible. But what we do know is that building. So you just go online and look at Little St. James Island

Starting point is 00:44:32 and pretty high quality photographs of this building, which is clearly not just a random architectural design. It's got this blue and white stripes and various designs to it. So if you can pull up the one where you can see, that's a, you know, you don't get a much better view than that, but there's these two gold statues on top. Yes. Which when you can get some pictures that show more closely,

Starting point is 00:45:02 there's some sort of Egyptian figures. It's either, even there you can't quite see for sure, but, and then they got supposedly blown over in a hurricane and disappeared. Yeah. Let's look at that building, there's other buildings in the Middle East that have more or less the same design with those blue and white stripes and so on. So number one, that's not just a random design that somebody thought, oh, I'll do blue and white stripes. Why is there those weirdo, Egyptian, gold things on the roof? It could just be he likes that kind of architecture.

Starting point is 00:45:45 I don't think so. And then there's beds inside there. And part of the public disinformation was, oh, that was just used for music lessons. Okay, does that look like a building that's just for music lessons? And why do you have cots and beds in a building that's only for music lessons? Also when you look at aerial photos of his ranch in New Mexico, there's a stone spiral on the ground there. So, yeah, that thing, not exactly a spiral. I'm not sure what you would call that geometrically.

Starting point is 00:46:24 But again, that's not just, you know, a couple guys thought they'd have a garden like that thing. Not exactly a spiral. I'm not sure what you would call that geometrically. But again, that's not just, you know, a couple of guys thought they'd have a garden like that. That's not random. That's got some sort of symbolic, pagan, ritual, some kind of background to it. And so that's what we know for a fact. Okay. So I'm starting to understand what you're saying here in a way. So many times on the show, Doctor, we have talked about how I honestly believe that the actual religion or philosophy of Satanism, okay, is a kind of nerd-dork thing started by.

Starting point is 00:47:07 And we just had a show on it that a lot of the people behind the initial thrust of Satanism in America were a bunch of limited hangout. A lot of them had intelligence connections to kind of create this boogie man that went out there, right? So, so we know that. We, well, we, well, we, well, we, well, we, well, we, that. of. that. of. of, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, that. that. that. that. that. that. that, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, that, that, that, that, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the this boogie man that went out there right so so we know that we well we on the show have had multiple guests come on talk that we back when this show first started we had Lucius Graver whatever his name is who is the guy what's up Lucan Greaves who's trying to go around and put, you know, bathmit, statues in front of... It also attacks me and other people who treat dissociative disorders.

Starting point is 00:47:52 Oh, wait. On what grounds? Why would he attack you? Because it's stupid and it's all false memories. It's just the same false memory platform and it's creating all kinds of havoc and it's not real and these crazy multiple personality now called dissociative identity disorder therapists if you can believe it they believe that they're satanic cults throughout so you can't really make this stuff up right so I personally and we the organization called the International Society for the Study of Multiple Personality and Dissociation. It's just like the Depression Association or the Anxiety Association.

Starting point is 00:48:36 It's just the association for these disorders. We're being attacked by the Satananic temple for believing in Satanism. That's amazing. Well, because I've had Lucius back in the day was on the show and it was very, it was very funny because we go, hey man, this has been when we would have the guests hang out during the intro. And it was me and off the grid Ryan. Now off the grid Ryan, like I said before, is going through his, you know, Michael Douglas falling down face where he hates society

Starting point is 00:49:13 and all that stuff. But back in the day, I will be honest with you, the show had a darker tone to it because of who he liked the book. Now I mostly off a Lucius Grave there was a couple other people that were a little darker than if today Sam would it have liked and Lucia's Graves is one of those people and the reason I bring it up because when I go okay welcome to Tim Fulhai goes what's the name of the show I go Tin Fahey goes are you those conspiracy guys and then he started going off off to to to the to the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was th. I was thin th. I was th. I was thin th. I'm th. I'm today thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was thi. I was th. I was th. I was th. of the show? I go, Tinfall, hey, he goes, are you those conspiracy guys? And then he started going off on Alex Jones and I'm, and then I was like, hold on, you're the guy that's on the show trying to convince us that how the media depicts you isn't really

Starting point is 00:49:56 who you are? So who are you? Why are you any better? And you know, and I really didn't have an understanding of like the spiritual war that's going on. I do, you know, if you look up Lucius and I'm sure this will get back to him. Lucian Greaves. Lucian Greaves, real name. Lucian Greaves, real name, okay? He's not Lucia's Green's real name. Douglas Mezner. And he is a, I got, and he is allegedly, we got to say, uh, DNC, uh, spot, he tries a fundraise for them. Allegedly, that's, that's the word on the street, allegedly. And Lucius, you could come on the show anytime you want, if you want to debate any of this, I am, I'm your Huckleberry,, but but so what what is being presented as Satanism doctor could that be different than what happens behind closed doors

Starting point is 00:50:53 with this Malachian Molok and all stuff because we we know that the Clinton Foundation has been and this is you know the Clinton Foundation has been, and this is, you know, the Clinton Foundation had five associates in the year 2019, be charged and taken the court on child sex trafficking. Right. We saw it, and then early on in Haiti, we saw that, that these things were going on. You know, Hillary's daughter, Chelsea, who may or may not be Bill Clinton's daughter, we don't know, but that's a different episode, has been seen with the cross upside down.

Starting point is 00:51:38 Is that in your study and research, is they upside down cross a sign of, let's just instead calling it a Satanism, can we call it dark arts, let's say? I don't know if that's a clinically acceptable for you, but maybe not Satanism, but something in that realm or area? Well, so there's all kinds of flavors of quotes dark arts throughout history and many different cultures, right? Satanism is only one flavor or brand.

Starting point is 00:52:13 But just back to Lucid Greece for a second. So the satanic temple, their position is, we're not Satanist in a sense of we worship Satan. We're in favor of free speech, freedom of religion, alternative points of view, and we're just trying to like teach the public about that. It's kind of sort of believable in theory. But then, why do you want these statues of baffiramette and so on on college campuses and so you're teaching who about what?

Starting point is 00:52:50 I'm with you, man. So, but that's not this multi-generational Satanism. When you go on their website and you see pictures of they've done some book burnings of books that are false, the crazy therapy books. And you see some of the parties and you see what they're wearing, they sure look like they're kind of out there in the thinky gothic zone. But that doesn't, that's not a crime, right? So I just think they're an odd group of people who, and I don't know why they're doing what they're doing for, and I don't know if there's somebody behind them or what, and I don't really care.

Starting point is 00:53:30 But I have been... It sounds, you know, it sounds like though, what he just said about the same, it sounds a lot like Marina Abramovich, you know, which is, you know, is just just for effect. It's theater. So, so, yeah, I understand, I'm starting to understand a little bit more about what you're saying. I have stated in the past that I 100% believe that this modern version of Satanism is, um, is a construct cause to cause division and that it's a bunch of dungeons and dragon nerd dorks trying to impress fat goth-goth chicks like that's what I've always believed it is and I just I got to be honest with you that's really what I believe it is and uh you know

Starting point is 00:54:21 we've had discussions on the show about Wicca, you know, you know, paganism, which I think has been somehow associated with modern-day Satanism, which I believe is not the same thing. And that's my opinion, I, you know, I'm into God and spirituality and I think there has been a lot of work done to separate us from God. But I want to so what what you're, you're and I'm trying to really focus this because I think what you're trying to say is that you have found no proof that there is a family out there that is committing these crimes, that these th-that the that there is a uh, that there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is their their there is there is their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is there is their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the is a family out there that is committing these crimes, that there is a, there is in the name of Satan itself. Now, can we agree that based on some of our recent cases,

Starting point is 00:55:19 like Utah, that there are sex of, let's say, Mormonism that have married children, committed rituals, cult leaders have committed these things that we have seen where they've done unspeakable things to children. Can we, can, is that something that you are open-minded to or have done any research into? Well, I've... A little, but that's not a question of belief, right? These things exist. They've been prosecuted. There's videotape of evidence. There's zillions of robbering witnesses and so on.

Starting point is 00:55:59 So it's not do I believe in that. It's like saying, do I believe in their supermarkets in the United States. Okay, I like that. I like that. So, but that. So. So, so. So, so. So, so. So, so that. So, so that. So, so that. So, so that. So, so that. So, so that. So, that. So, that. So, that. So, that. So, that, that, that, that, that that's that's that, that, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that, that's that's that's that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's that, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not that's not, that's not that's not, that's not, I believe in that. It's like saying do I believe in their supermarkets in the United States. Okay, I like that. I like that. So, so, it really is just the term Satanism that you are saying that there is no one with that term that's done this in the name of that term. Is that what we're saying? Well, okay, so we're talking about that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the name of that term? Is that what we're saying? Well, okay, so we're talking about Satanism. So obviously that word exists, right, in the language.

Starting point is 00:56:30 There's, like I said, there's clearly groups that were called the satanic temple, for one example, that do some sort of a get-together is where they do something or other. There's clearly, that that's, thi-the-a' that, that, that, that, that, this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this word this this word this is this word this word this word this word this word this word this word this word this word -together is where they do something or other. There's clearly teenagers who've kind of dabbled in Satanism and used some of the paraphernalia in the course of rape and murder. That's all true. So you have to always have to remember, there's all these levels and variations within Satanism. I'm just talking about that high top of the pyramid of the organized human sacrifice multi-generational health. That's what there's no evidence for. No direct conclusive proof. See, okay, so I understand it It doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Okay, I got you.

Starting point is 00:57:27 I just, what I find that, because I think what you're saying is, is a very important thing because again, I think that this, I think for me personally, and I would be a real hypocrite if I didn't acknowledge us, is that I 100% believe that satanic panic was used to push against what is now coming out very openly, which is these global child sex trafficking rings. We know the finders were real, what did the finders represent and all that stuff. And so now we live in this world where we have like, you know, Lil Nazax and Sam Smith doing this very hacky take on Satanism in their acts and everyone's running around going crazy. And then the left is pushing back against that this is satanic panic and to me I think this is all astroturfed is am I at all close to what you're saying?

Starting point is 00:58:36 Well so I believe that there's all kinds of disinformation, limited hangouts, cover-ups. There's no doubt about that. Like, when people say, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist, you think that the CIA is doing the following. First of all, I'm not particularly against the CIA as such. If they commit crimes, well, those are crimes. If they commit crimes against U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. That's definitely a crime.

Starting point is 00:59:10 If they take out people in other countries for national security, then is that a crime or... You can debate all that kind of stuff. But... What's the job of the CIA? The job of the CIA is to conspire in secret and do stuff in secret. You know what, doctor, I just got to be honest with you. I think it's so, you're a very interesting man because you basically agree on everything except for this connecting of these two dots, which is you believe that

Starting point is 00:59:49 ritual stuff does happen, you believe that there is Satanism, you believe that there is CIA intelligence that conspire, but you're not ready to sign off on that. There is Satanist, Satanic Ritual Abuse, generational satanic ritual abuse, even though we do have kind of have established that. There are elites generationally, have we established it? I thought we kind of somewhat did. Generationally have committed atrocities against children.

Starting point is 01:00:34 Right, that's for sure. But your thing is that it's just, you can't prove it's been in the name of Satan. Right. And if somebody could prove it I'd go, well, good job, well done. Is it the exact word of Satan that you have the issue with or the or the name Satan that you need it predominantly? Is it things like Moloch and you know I listen dude I mean we can get it I've been really starting to do some investigation into the to the occult but like like, like you know the whole things th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the th th th th thi thi thi thi that that that that thi that that the that that that that that that that that the that the the that the that the that the the the the the the th. the the the the th. the the the th. the the th. th. the the th. th. the the th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi that. that. that. that. that. that. that. the that. the that. that. that. thi that., I've been really starting to do some investigation into the, to the occult, but like, like, you know, the whole thing where, um, one of the first movies shown at the White House was a movie about ball and what ball and the, and the ritual sacrifice that, you know, people like Ian Ferguson have come on and establish. Malachians very much are into the dark arts

Starting point is 01:01:27 and the hurting of children. But it's not in the name of Satan that they do it, but in the name of Molok. Does that mean anything to you? Well, it just means what I've been saying. There's really sicko groups of organized people who are very, very, very organized, doing stuff in secret that involves all kinds of horror and abusing kids. And it's not the least bit unbelievable to me that there's been ritual sacrifices of children as part of that world. So it's not unbelievable.

Starting point is 01:02:10 Let's go back to Jeffrey Epstein for a second. So I don't know for sure what those statues were, but they might have been statues of Molok. Who is the Egyptian god of child sacrifice? So, uh, at Bohemian Grove. Oh, so hold that, hold that. So you do think there is a god of ritual sacrifice, Moloch, or there is the belief, there are people out there that believe that. Well, it's just like do I believe that there was ISIS, Osiris set in Egyptian religion. That's not a personal belief, that's just historical facts. Okay. So Malak is a historical fact in your opinion? That people worshipped him. That's what he said.

Starting point is 01:02:51 Yeah, that's just like... That doesn't mean the molluc on earth, right? Right, right, right. Okay. So... But I want to go back to... This is directly to your... Connect in the docks here, the dots. So back to Jeffrey Epstein, Epstein Island, Little St. James Island. We know that all kinds of people have been flying around in his airplane.

Starting point is 01:03:20 The ones who have been questioned all to go, oh, I was just on a business trip or whatever. We know that the FBI went into little St. James Island and took a lot of stuff out of there. We know that the FBI went into his mansion in Manhattan. We more or less know for sure because lots of people have said that there was a lot of videotaping of wealthy people having sex with underage girls inside that mansion. So probably the FBI has tons of evidence, you know, videotape objective evidence. Where is it? They're obviously sitting on it. Where, where, where's, how come we know for a fact that all kind of a fact that? Where is it? They're obviously sitting on it.

Starting point is 01:04:05 Where, how come we know for a fact that all kinds of rich, powerful, wealthy guys were involved in sex trafficking? Was it to get dirt on them? So we could control them. Who knows what the behind-the seed's purpose was? But who's been charged with anything? Jeff Epstein and his girlfriend. What about all these other guys who were involved?

Starting point is 01:04:33 Who've been there? Where's the public investigation? How come nobody has been charged at all? In this multinational organized sex trafficking ring. I feel like I can get you there, Doc. I feel like we can get you to go. There's some, I think you're saying it. I think you're really saying it.

Starting point is 01:04:53 Yeah. You're the person scientists, clearly. I get what he's saying. There's nobody. There's no, you know, I mean, like, because the word Satan, right, and the word devil, they have, they're not the name of the entity. It is a label, the deceiver. And it was, it's one of, so like the entity that is the evil in the Bible is not named.

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Starting point is 01:06:13 Okay, that's my humble opinion. And the devil, go on doctor, sorry. Nobody disputes that there was, uh, Aztec sacrifices, right? Right. Right, right. I mean, I am with you on that. I've been organized religion-based, run from the top down by powerful people, ritual sacrifice of human beings. That's just a fact.

Starting point is 01:06:41 Well, but it never happened in the United States. What about when you hear like, actors or rappers that say they sold or soul to the devil? Or they sacrifice, you hear about like Kanye West sacrificed his mom and then he became big. Oh yeah, those are interesting. I know that's not down your alley but what do you think about that is there any say trying to that? Yeah. Well, first of all, I don't think anything about that because I haven't studied it.

Starting point is 01:07:08 Respect. But how much of that is just theater, selling records, just sort of mental health craziness, being theatrical, being weird, being kinky, and then how far out does that go, right? All the way out to, they actually literally worship Satan? I don't know. You talk about now that some of these groups in history have been highly organized? At what point in history, what's the highest point of organization you would concede that's possible for this group that's abusing people?

Starting point is 01:07:47 Could you conceive of an international ring of abusers? Is that something you could conceive of? You don't have to conceive of it. It's a known objective fact that that exists. Now. Multinationional, organized billions of dollars revenue, child sex, try to be not. Well, that's just a fact. But tell you, I mean, tell you, how is it organized?

Starting point is 01:08:12 And that's, and you're saying that's separate from any kind of, I won't even say religious, but, uh, philosophical alignment. It's completely unrelated to that. It's just child abuse for the sake of child abuse. No, that's not what I'm saying. Hopefully, but please clarify it, then please. Please. So forget about the religious part of it and the ideology. It's obviously a huge big business, right? Child sex trafficking. Yeah. Okay, yeah, of course. Constitution. Everybody agrees that's a fact. It's not anybody's opinion.

Starting point is 01:08:49 Lots of people are making lots and lots and lots and lots of money off of it. So therefore it's very organized by high-level business people. You can't debate that. Those are just clearly the facts. It's like saying, well, there's a lot of cocaine coming into America from South America. It's probably just a few guys on a farm, right? We know it's very organized massive business enterprises that are doing that. Again, it's not debatable. But yeah, as you've seen suggested that, suggests that it's mostly business motivations at the

Starting point is 01:09:29 top of the organizations, is that right? No, I'm just saying what do we know for a fact? Okay. One of the motivations is making a lot of money. But you think that these people who do all this at the top of the pyramid, they're not pedophiles, they're just businessmen, they just invested in that. I mean, you've got to be a pretty sick criminal pedophile to be running an international sex trafficking ring of children. Yeah. So how high, what's the top of the pyramid? Is the top of the pyramid at the White House, at the Department of Justice, you know, at Google Corporation, or the Rothschilds or some people in Nepal?

Starting point is 01:10:17 I don't have any idea. So, I mean, on a whole different, like, a whole different country, what do you think about, like when the cartel kills people for a Santa Morte? Because they literally will sacrifice and then but that there's proof there. Do you think there's any correlation there where maybe satanic panic got down to Mexico and it's still lingering down there? Well first of all again I don't know for a fact but when when I was reading about this in the 90s, there was a University of Texas student who was in Matamoros.

Starting point is 01:10:52 I'm pretty sure was Mademoros. And he was killed, dismembered, boiled in a pot, and the police found that and a bunch of other bodies, and, but it was kind of blown off as out of those cartel people they're just statists but there was a term in the local language narco satanistos and that was a known term so there's some sort of satanic element in there to some degree, but I don't know how much. And what was, what's their primary motivation? They probably have multiple primary motivations. Like I was just saying, money is obviously part of it. Power, all kinds of sex and getting your hands on all kinds of women of various ages down to girls.

Starting point is 01:11:46 I mean, that's all part of it, right? Right. So let me ask you something. So I've often said that the initiation to the highest levels of power in on the globe is pedophilia. like, it is, it is, it's, it's all. It is, it's part of it, right. that, right. that's, right. Right. It is, right. It is, right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. It is, right. It is, right. It is, right. It is, right. It is, right. It is, right. It is, right. It is, right. It is, right. It is, right. It is, right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. It is, it is, right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is, right. It is, right. It is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is. It is, it is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is, it is, it is, it is, it is. It is, it is, it is. It is, it is, it is. It is. It is, it is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. It is. globe is pedophilia. Like, it is the version of a gang initiation, where you have to go kill somebody, and then, so they have something on you, and you have something on them, and nobody's going to sit in each other.

Starting point is 01:12:22 So at these highest levels, they do this child, sex rituals, sometimes sadly, and I hate even saying the words, but ends in the sacrifice of a child, which is very hard for me to even to say. Do you believe that that initiation exists? I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if that's the case. Nothing about that is unbelievable to me. Okay.

Starting point is 01:12:59 But wait, okay, go on. So, I mean, you just look at the arms trade. Like, top people are making a lot of money off the war in the Ukraine. That's just a fact. Biden goes, oh, here's 800 million worth of arms. Well, good. That's 800 million dollars worth of sales for the gun manufacturers or the plane manufacturers or whoever it is. Oh, good.

Starting point is 01:13:29 Okay, we sold that hit a million. Let's have another war now. If you in, it's just a fact that's in the public domain news that most of the weapons that the cartels are using in Mexico, they acquired from the United States, legally or illegally. But every one of those guns was manufactured and sold out of profit. So these are just facts. So I mean, it's just an intra-Ike, because I understand what you're saying. I'm just let's just say sir.

Starting point is 01:14:07 Let's just let's just get to the let's just come out and ask it. Even though you believe that there is no concrete evidence which connects these these children or these people and the trauma they've been through directly to Satanism, would you say if you had to bet your life on it, would there be a connection? It's hard to, I would say it's hard to believe that there isn't. But just like you just said, you know, a statement about pedophilia at the highest levels of government and that's the initiation. And it could very well be true. So what's your evidence?

Starting point is 01:15:07 I don't doubt it. I don't disbelieve it, but I'd like to know what's your evidence? And if there was some evidence, that'd be in public, that'd be fantastic. I don't know if I'd say I'd be overjoyed, but it'd be a very good thing if some of this organized high-level satanic ritual abuse was actually proven, prosecuted, the people were convicted, you know, the prosecutors stood in public and did news conferences saying, yeah, this was organized satanic ritual abuse. That'd be good. It's not good that it's happening, but it'd be very good that it was proven. All right. I understand what you're saying here. It's a very interesting conversation. So, I just want to end on this.

Starting point is 01:15:54 So you, you were, you were meeting with, we'll call them patients. People who said they suffered from these, from like multiple personalities that they believe came to result from the results of trauma that they were saying came from satanic ritual abuse. Now when somebody comes to you and go, hey man, I am, I have multiple personalities because of a satanic ritual. My question to you is this. What research would you do in to seeing if that claim was true or not? None. It's not my job. I don't have the budget. I have no obligation to do that.

Starting point is 01:16:49 And it's not, the odds of finding something are zero, you know, within, say I hire a private eye for $500, what's he going to find? And it's not, this is what I started with. This is all about is it real, not real, do you believe, do not believe, which is endlessly where the focus is. But if you're working with somebody clinically, trying to help them recover and heal from depression, anxiety, PTSD, dissociative identity disorder, eating disorders, all kinds of stuff, back to therapeutic neutrality. So I don't

Starting point is 01:17:28 spend, when I'm in a clinical mode, I'm not worrying about believing or not believing or what's the evidence or I'm not actively doubting people and I'm not actively saying, oh yeah I know for a fact that happened. So I'll give you a quick example. So, so I've got a thing called Trauma Model Therapy that happened. So I'll give you a quick example. So I've got a thing called trauma model therapy that's one of my books and I do workshops about it. And one of the core aspects of it is the problem of attachment to the perpetrator, which is your mammal so you're biologically bonded to your caretakers who may or may not be your biological parents. It's true of foxes, rabbits, on and on and on and on and on.

Starting point is 01:18:10 So you are genetically biologically programmed to connect to, bond to, attach, love, you need to be loved to taken care of by your parents for human beings. That can be a lot of decades sometimes. So it's not a choice, it's not about gender, culture, race, IQ. But then when you're, the people you love, who you depend on for your survival are also abusing you verbally, emotionally attacking each other, molesting you, you've got two opposite, alternating motions. Approach, love, attach, connect, and fear, hate, avoid, flee. But you can't flee because you're only four, five, six, seven, eight, ten, twelve.

Starting point is 01:18:57 So you get this approach, avoid, love, hate, split kind of psychology going on inside. Now, let's say you've had like a regular incest family and then on top you've had satanic ritual abuse. Now I'm talking to this patient. She's in the hospital. It's June 13th and she's actively suicidal so she can't be discharged. And there's these cult alter personalities to say we belong to the cult and my dad is the head of the cult and I've got to be out of the hospital before June 21st so I could go to the ceremony we're going to sacrifice more kids and I love Satan and Satan loves me. Okay so then

Starting point is 01:19:41 what do I do with that? What is my goal here? My goal is, same as any mental health facility. Work with a person so they get to the point where they're not actively suicidal so they can be discharged. How am I going to accomplish that? Well, here's what I did in this situation. It's called talking through, so you talked through to the personalities in the background. They respond internally and then person out front tells you what they said. So okay. Now guys, I'm talking to these satanic cult alters who are male teenagers who got to get out of the

Starting point is 01:20:20 hospital. So I go, okay guys, let me explain to you how the mental health system works. You want to get out of the hospital so you can go to the ceremony, but we can't discharge her if she's actively suicidal. So if you want to get out, you've got to stop harassing her and telling her to kill herself and telling her she's no good. Otherwise, you'll never make it to the ceremony on June 21st. Now, I haven't spilled the bad news to these parts yet because they don't know, you know, the dad died 10 years earlier. So there's no possibility of going to a cult ceremony with dad next week. And so now I'm forming a treatment relationship with these guys. I'm like their ally. I'm representing their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to to their their their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their their. I'm their. I'm to their. I'm their. I'm their their their their their their teau. I'm teau. tea. tea. I'm tea. I'm tea. I'm tea. I'm tend. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm forming a treatment relationship with these guys. I'm like their ally. I'm representing their point of view and I'm just tyling them how

Starting point is 01:21:11 things work and next thing you know she's not suicidal anymore because the voices aren't telling her to kill herself anymore and she's able to be discharged. So it's the same intervention, the same strategy. I don't have to decide if there really ever was a satanic ceremony. I don't have to decide if there's somebody else has picked it up and they can dad's position and there is going to be a murder on June 21st. Because it's the same intervention. I'm, then I talked to the out front person. And I go, well, I know these guys are Satan. I know you're a Christian and you don't believe in Satan and you don't practice human sacrifice. And I get that totally.

Starting point is 01:21:58 But these guys, they're Satanists and they want to go to the cult, and they want to kill babies, which obviously I'm not in favor of babies being killed. But let's just translate what they're saying into normal English in a second. What they're saying is, then forget all the satanic stuff and woo, let's just translate into normal English. What they're saying is, I want to go spend time with dad and do stuff that he enjoys and have him be proud of me. How satanic does that sound? Where does your, you have some obligation, right, to, you know, if there's a threat of violence against someone else or, you know, suicide. Where does that begin? How do you, how do you parse that?

Starting point is 01:22:47 The weird thing about the regulations and the ethics and the laws. So there's mandatory reporting if I, I don't have to know for sure. I just have to have concerns, strong worry that this particular child is in danger of being abused by this particular person. And then it's mandatory reporting. And I don't get in trouble if it turns out there's nothing going on. Those are the rules. This is not a mandatory reporting situation because I don't know the

Starting point is 01:23:22 name of any specific child who's going to be at this ritual. I don't know where the ritual is going to take place. I don't even know what state it's going to be in. I don't know who's going to be there. There's nothing to report. And I can't, you can't follow up the police and say, I think there's going to be a cult ceremony somewhere. And you don't, and you're their there their there's their their their their there's their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their is going their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their is going their is going their is going their is going their is going their is going their is going their is going their is going their is going their is going their is going their is going their their their their their treat. tea. teat. teat. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. I you're prerogative to drill down on that with the client, you're just there to treat them. Is that right? Because I can't drill down. Drill down means what? Prove it?

Starting point is 01:23:55 No, just to, just to, I mean, to kind of investigate that through therapy. Yeah, have you done that where where that where that where that where that where that where tried to investigate whether it was real or not? Well, I've certainly asked people about details about where it happens, but it's almost always very vague. It's often the woods somewhere. I don't know really where exactly. Well, a lot of time it happened 30 years ago. But even if it's supposedly ongoing, this is this in the fog sort of thing. Same with the individual person. You go, okay, okay, okay. But,. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the, the, the the, the the the, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I, I, I, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they, th, th, th, th, the, that, the, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thi, the, thethis in the fog sort of thing. Same with the individual person. You go, okay, okay, but what's the person's name? Sometimes they'll tell you the name of their relative? Okay, can you tell me the name of some of these girls have been killed? No, I don't know any of their names, they were runaways, okay, so there's no identifiable victim. I've never gotten to, I'll give you one exception, but I've never gotten to, here's the location, here's the name of the perpetrator, here's the name of the victim.

Starting point is 01:24:54 I've had people tell me that they have videotapes, but they're too scared to hand them over. So I never actually ever get my hands on anything concrete. So, I say, you know, these these these these these these these these, these, these, these, these, these, these, these these, these these these the, the, the, the guys, the guys, the guys, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they. Here, here, they, their, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their example, so I say, you know, these guys just want to hang out with dad. And I think what they're, so I've just dropped the whole satanic part of it. And I'm normalizing it, bringing down to normal psychiatry and not psychology. So you hold the, I hate my dad, and he's a perpetrator, I don't want to ever see him again. They hold the positive attachment that's too upsetting, too conflicted, too painful for you, you can't admit it to yourself, because how sick

Starting point is 01:25:36 would I have to be to love my dad when he's my perpetrator? It's the same conflict and just quotes regular incest inside the family. And the same conflict and same dynamic in just quotes regular incest inside the family. And the point is that both these feelings are unavoidable. Loving your perpetrator is just normal mammalian attachment biology. It doesn't get stamped out no matter how much the abuse there is. So these guys have been holding your attachment to your dad that you can't tolerate. Maybe they've been doing you a favor. Maybe you should talk to them. And then I might work with them to say, okay,

Starting point is 01:26:16 how is it to your benefit to be a minion of Satan? And then you're going to get to kill people and then how does this all work? And how, so I start questioning their story and it always turns out there's somebody else in the background in their personality system who's really strong and powerful and if they don't told the line they're going to get in trouble with that person on the inside. And then I want to start forming a relationship with the power broker on the inside. So that's kind of just giving a flavor for how it all works and why I'm just off the topic of is it real, not real.

Starting point is 01:26:54 It's not my concern. It's interesting. That's exactly the same with quotes regular incest. 90% of the time plus, the perpetrator's never been convicted. If you go interview the perpetrator and say, hey, did you rape your daughter multiple times for years? They go no. So, you got me. So the perpetrator is saying no doesn't prove it did happen.

Starting point is 01:27:24 The person saying it did happen doesn't prove it did happen. But I don't care. That's not my territory. I'm just working with the person on their beliefs that commonly they say it's my fault. I was a little this, that, and the other. I deserved it. So I work on the self-blame, self-hatred that comes from the abuse. I don't have to talk about the abuse itself that much, because that's not the main target. Let's just say, Doc, that you find a connection. What does that do?

Starting point is 01:27:59 Connection between Satanism and this abuse. Which abuse are we talking about now? The torture, rape, murder of children, that somebody in there, they finally give you the smoking gun that has alluded you for so long. And finally, there is concrete proof that this is a satanic ritual abuse. What does that do? Well like if I change... So it can't just hearsay, right? I have to have some videotape evidence or something.

Starting point is 01:28:38 Let's say you get it. Well then I'd probably call the FBI first, and I'd call the local field office of the FBI and I'd say, hey, I need to talk to somebody and I set up an appointment and I'd make a copy or two of the videotape, have them in different locations, so it can't just be, oh, we lost it. and I'd go in and say, here's the videotape, and then I'd hand it over to them in different locations so it can't just be, oh we lost it. And I'd go in and say here's the videotape and then I'd hand it over to them. I can't be in control of whether they covered up or they investigated or they get shut down from above or what. Would it make you question every other situation that you thought they were maybe not lying but playing something in their head that didn't really happen? I already think maybe they weren't lying and it did happen. Interesting.

Starting point is 01:29:35 It's quite an enigma. It's a big an enigma. It's interesting. It's interesting. And it's interesting. Just for a microsecond here again. Like, it's not possible that all that Evans is sitting around and nobody's put a lid on it from top down. That's just not possible.

Starting point is 01:30:01 That's just not possible. That's my opinion. So there's got to be a whole lot of powerful people who have put the lid on all this Jeffrey Epstein network and who is involved. Well, you find the finders, they are, I mean, like, we still haven't gotten the today. Jeffrey Epstein's client list, right? Have we gotten the exact list? Who of who the kids got sold to like who who was doing what and bunch of fake versions I would gone around yeah I mean people get I mean I

Starting point is 01:30:32 thought this comedian in New York was a part of it and I don't believe she is I believe it was somebody at the CDC with the same initials so I mean M Wolf so that's my opinion. One of my models is like she's asking who's running the show from the the the the to to the to the the the to the the to the the the to the the the the the to the to the show from. the show. the the the the the the the the the the the to to to the to to to to the the to to to to to to to to the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. the. tod today. to. today. today. today. today. the. the the thi. thi. the is the is the the ths. So I mean M. Wolf. So that's my opinion. One of my models is like you're asking who's running the show from the top, right? Whether it's individual or a group or an organization. My take on that is, well, if we've heard of them, that's not who it is. Interesting. Interesting. Dr. Jeffrey didn't kill himself, right? I, so it's possible he did, it seems pretty doubtful. That's an answer I expected from you.

Starting point is 01:31:13 And it is, he's in try. Like, this is the most high value prisoner they've ever had, right? Yeah. Who's known to be suicidal, who's, we wantto bring them to trial, and we just sort of go, oh, whoops? Yeah. We didn't have an eye on them for a while and it was because these two guards were slacking off and eating pizza or something. Yeah, and the cameras didn't work.

Starting point is 01:31:38 Doctor, now, let me ask you something. In the feedback that you get from your book, do, do, do, do, do, do, that you, that, that, th. th. thi, thi, the, thi, their, thi, thi, their, their, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, their, thi, thi, thi, thi.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o.o. too. too.o.o. too.o. too. th. We. We. th. th. th. to. the feedback that you get from your book do you anyone ever get upset with you because they thought you were going to go one way with your beliefs and it then they found out that actually you weren't going that way do you ever get feedback that maybe they got upset with you with that you mean other than Lucien Greaves right outside Lucien Grieves and which is we have an open door you can come on Lucians and we could discuss The validity of your satanic movement Well, he would say it's not a satanic Movement. We're just using the name Satan to make a point. Well, that's disingenuous to me and that just proves why everyone thinks it is.

Starting point is 01:32:22 It's just a bunch of nerd dorks. Let me try to impress fat goth chicks. Well, it loves to press a bunch of people. Doctor, real quick, you don't work on campus, do you? On campus? Yeah, you're okay. So I could say that. I don't want I would have to edit it out so you don't get in trouble. But hold on. So, no, we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we've we've we've we've we've we've we've we've th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that I don't want I would have to edit it out so you don't get in trouble. But hold on so no we've lost our train of thought here. No no I know where we are we are welcome to the Sam Tripoli show. We are people. Yeah have you got no. Have you gotten upset when they bought your book and then they realize afterwards.

Starting point is 01:33:03 As they're reading it that you have a different take than maybe they were they thought they they the the the book? the book. the book. the book. the book.. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. the book. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the the the the the the the their. their. try. try. try. try. try. train. train. train. train. train. train. train. train. try. train. try. try. t you have a different take than maybe they were they thought the book was going to have or maybe even hoping the book had had. Absolutely from both sides. So in the 90s on Amazon there was one right after the other two reviews of my satanic retrovious book. One was attacking me, berating me, what a horrible person I am, for personally spreading this epidemic of false memories. The next review was, what a horrible guy, he doesn't believe the survivors and the children. It's incredible, dude. Yeah, I mean that's usually means you're on to something. Doctor, thank you so much for coming on. This has been a very, very interesting conversation.

Starting point is 01:33:48 I could tell you that it was different than I thought it was gonna be and I like it. I'm glad that we have these conversations and that you bring a different perspective to it. So I'm thankful that you came on the show. Thank you. One more time, can you tell us where they, where are, can tell our listeners where they can find you? Just search my name, Colin A Ross M.D. or Ross Inst.inst. InST.com, which is short for Ross Institute, trauma recovery. Inst. to INSTINT. too-nesth-Intz. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the-I. the-I. the-I. they. they. they. they they they they they. Just. Just. Just. they they they they they they they they to. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. Just. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the-. the-s. the-I. they. they. the-I. the-I. they. th. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. Just. they. Just. Just. Just guys so much. If you guys again, just go to Sam Tripoli.com, grabbing all my dates, our affiliates, everything.

Starting point is 01:34:31 Hang out for a, to hear some sneak peaks from upcoming shows. And yeah, man, love you guys. Thank you so much. Anything else guys? No, we're good. Great clip from Broken Sim. the tip. All right guys, we'll thaaa. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha, tha, tha, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Ta, tho, th. Thank, th. Thank, tho. Thank, tho, th. Thank, th. th. Thank, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Thank, th. Thank, th. Thank, th. Thank, th. Thank, to. Thank, to. Thank, to. Thank, to. Thank, to. Thank, to. Thank, to. Thank, to. Thank, to. Thank, to. Thank, to. Thank, to. Thank, to. th. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. to. tha. too. tha. tha. tha. tog. tha. tha. tha. tha. 'll talk to you soon. Take care. Have a great day. Here's a clip from the latest Broken Sim. Hey Johnny. Hey Sam. Hey man. Hey. Love the Broken Sim. We love the

Starting point is 01:34:53 104 Hat. And I want to do an angel story. By the way it's Dallas, Texas calling where all the hot progressive chicks live. We have got the hot progressive chicks here saying I know you're jealous sir. Anyway when I was a kid I used to go over to my grandparents apartment here in the summers and there was a creek outback and then it was a wet creek it was always wet concrete you know because it's in the city too. One of those type of creeks but you had a lot of concrete, you know, because it's a muddy creek. One of those type of creeks, but it had a lot of mud, had a lot of cat tails, and had

Starting point is 01:35:31 a lot of crawfish. So I go back there with the kite string and baits. And I go back there and catch crawdead tails for me. they're kind took up the crawdad test for me. They're trying like that. So anyway, so I go back there one evening, it's getting probably an hour before dark. I got to be about 14 to 15 years old, something like that. Yeah. I'm walking back there and the thick stuff. I'd slid down the side of this concrete embankment to get down to where the mud and good water was bad and thick cat tails and everything.

Starting point is 01:36:09 And I get down there and I look out in front of me about maybe 30 feet and standing in the thickest of the cattails in the mud is a little girl. She's in this angelic white, real heavy white but almost translucent dress. And her hair is so, it's the widest white I had ever seen. And her eyes are this whitest pink. It was disturbing just to see her. I wasn't sure what I was seeing. Oh my God. 14 to 10 years old. So I sure what I was seeing. Oh my God.

Starting point is 01:36:45 1415 years old. I'm looking at her. I'm looking around and I'm just trying to get my bear threat about me. I just can't understand what I'm saying. And she looked at me and says, leave. What? I thought, what, she said, leave. What, leave now? I got out of there. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:37:08 Yeah. Yeah. I have no idea. I look back when I was up to concrete and bankman, fixing to run up to my grandfather's apartment. She was there walking away. A little girl could have been, she's five, six years old. Oh shit. I think she was warning me a danger. I found that later. There were kids getting hurt.

Starting point is 01:37:32 And they found, they found a body. He's like 14 though, like enough to remember this. They found a body? Their kid died. So he said. And I think she was telling me to get out of there. I think it was thing. Whoa, Johnny. That's a moff right there. Isn't that crazy?

Starting point is 01:37:50 That is crazy, bro call of the year for sure. Write that down on something. Pink-eye girl. Pink-eyed, girl-fi-old. Johnny, we should clip these up, these good ones and put them out. I would never forget that. Yeah, yeah, we should. Yeah, you're right. I would never forget that. That would change my outlook on everything if I saw some creepy shit. Like that's creepy, bro. My grandfather used to always tell us that there was, uh, you'd hear a baby crying in the cemetery not far from my house. At night, he would hear. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th. th. thi would to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. to to thi would would would would would would would to be th. th. to be to be th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi would thi would thi would thi would thi would thi would thi. theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeean. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would would the. Yeah? He would hear it like walking around there at night. So I don't know. You know, that makes me sad. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:38:29 Yeah. All right. That's it for calls. We're just gonna move on to news now. Let's do it. News, news. News. News.

Starting point is 01:38:39 So did you hear about this guy that entered this women's poker tournament in Florida and won just to prove a point about, I just wanted to hit that really quickly because this is, actually maybe you got third place, hold on. Dude, dude, all these guys are doing it and it's so funny because it's not even a sport. This is like a mental thing. Yeah, but it's still hilarious. It's still hilarious. It makes me laugh every time. Yeah, David Hughes won a $250 buy-in, no limit hold him poker tournament. And Hollywood, Florida over the weekend. Normally that would not be not worthy except for the fact that it was a ladies event. Hughes entered the event at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and casino and won the topp top prize prize prize prize prize prize prize prize prize prize prize prize prize prize prize prize prize prize prize prize prize prize prize prize prize prize prize 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5. the v v v v. the the the the the the the the th. the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. the th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. today. te. te. today. the. the. the. the. the. the. the event at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino and won the top prize

Starting point is 01:39:25 of $5,55 per the Vegas Review Journal. Hughes beat out the rest of the entrance all women and drew the ire of other players in the process. Abby Merck, who finished third in the event. That's what I was seeing here. Tweeted out her frustration. Here's what she said. Got third in the ladies event, double exc exc exc exc exc, double, double, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th Got third in the ladies event, double exclamation marks, didn't run well when it mattered.

Starting point is 01:39:46 She's blaming her luck. Good game to all the ladies and to the man that won it. Don't do that again. That's what you say. Yeah, I get it. I'd be pissed too. And I'm not mad at him either. We have to make it so absurd. We have to make it to make it to make it to make it so absurd that it forces people to go, okay, we got to stop this stupid shit. And here's a quick sneak peek of conspiracy social club. Enjoy.

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Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #670: Satanic Ritual Abuse with Dr. Colin Ross

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