Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #721: Project Artichoke with Steven Snider aka Recluse

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Starting point is 00:02:17 You know, he dropped some hammers on that. He's back with Morris. Let's get into it. Very excited to have him back. Please welcome, Recluse. Stephen Snyder. the. their. the. the. the. the. the. th. the. th. th. th. the. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. th. the. their. their. their. their. their. their. to. their. their. to. their. to. to. to. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. He. their. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. t. He's. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. He's. He's. He. He. He's. He's back with Morris. Let's get into it. Very excited to have him back. Please welcome. Reclus. Stephen Snyder. How are your brother? Doing well, sir. And thank you so much for having me back on. Well, I'm excited that Mark made it happen again. I always always enjoy conversations with you. Before we get into it, can you, for those who may not remember your last appearance, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and where our listeners can find you and anything you want to plug? Well, I am the longtime curator of the VISA blog. I started a podcast known as the Farm, which Mock 2. And I'm also the author of three books, most recently the art, the secretives do Cy War Conspiratement and the Shattering of Reality Book One.

Starting point is 00:03:11 All right, and do you have a website? Well, yeah, usually it's just a vice-abwebs website for my blog. It's VISUP. You know, it's such a distinct name, you pretty much find that name Google search, so. I will th, I I I I I I I I I I I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tham. the the th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thea. thea. theaugh. thea. theauuauauauauauauauauauauauauaua.a. thaua. tha. tha. th name. You pretty much find that name Google Search. So I will, I will make sure to put that in the links below. So, what do you want to get into today? What do we want to discuss? I'm excited. Well, Mark told me you guys wanted me to give you guys a bit of a scary story here for Halloween. So fortunately, I've been working on something pretty creepy the last three years and that would be that whole the book I just

Starting point is 00:03:49 mentioned it's the first in a trilogy that I've got coming out here and the whole thing started as an exploration of Q&N and how conspiracy theories have been weaponized for the purposes of psychological warfare. Now like a few years into this sucker I pretty much realized I had stumbled upon a vast globe-spaned counterinsurgency program that was crafted during the Cold War on the one hand, and on the other I was encountering a tradition that went back hundreds if not thousands of years and was effectively a magical working of the highest order. And in trying to reconcile

Starting point is 00:04:24 these two revelations I just kept going back to Dave McGowan's the premise the premise to premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise premise to to to to to to to to to the premise premise premise premise premise premise the premise to the premise the premise the premise the the the the their their to to their their to their their to their to their to their their the highest order. And in trying to reconcile these two revelations, I just kept going back to Dave McGowan's premise in his classic program to kill book. And that's that serial killers were created by the security services for the purposes of terror, which, on the surface, I mean, it sounds really silly, right? But if you even take a precursor grants at how the U.the US wages counterinsurgency, it's McGowan's whole premise and a whole new light. The model for this was developed by a guy called Edward Lansdale when he fought a counterinsurgency in the Philippines right after the second world war.

Starting point is 00:04:57 Now, this guy used a lot of novel methods, including an early version of special operations forces. But the big thing everybody remembers is his approach to psychological warfare. So he had insurgents drained of blood. He had puncture wounds put in their necks. He had them hung from trees, so it would look like they were tooled by vampires. He had confessions given by insurgents, and then played from loudspeakers,

Starting point is 00:05:21 thi thi. from loudspeakers in the air after they had been killed so that the villagers would think that they were coming from ghosts and had all sea and eyes painted on the doors of suspected insurgents. And this tradition carried on with Vietnam on steroids. You had ghost voices blasted from helicopters as part of Operation Ordering Soul, which a young officer named Michael Aquino cut his teeth in. And then elsewhere, you had some really interesting stuff done with those legendary death, th. th. th. the th. th. the th. th. th. th. their th. And, th. And, their, th. And, their, th. And, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and eyes, and eyes, and eyes, and their, and eyes, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their-s.. And, their, their And then elsewhere, you had some really interesting stuff done with those legendary death cards, like mutilating an insurgent skull where the pituitary gland is located, and then nailing a card there with a green skull dripping blood.

Starting point is 00:05:57 So, in this context, the possibility of the security services were using serial killers really doesn't seem that far out, right? It doesn't, dude. It doesn't at all, and I think you're really on to something. You know, again, I get into this thing where like, how much of the pain and suffering and violence and war crimes would actually be happening if you didn't have this hidden hand of this predator class manipulating things from behind the scenes in a way of just moving and terrorizing people to get our anxieties up our fear up and because when our anxiety is high our fears high we're probably depressed as well

Starting point is 00:06:43 because they're so scared and we're easily manipulated at that point. And that's my humble opinion. Well, it gets even weirder than just the fear and anxiety. Because you start looking into this stuff, you've got to end up going to Artichoke and MK Ultra. And when you start looking closely enough at those programs with the psychedelic drugs, the early experiments with the SP and all the personnel involved in th.. th. th. th. th. th. And th. And th. And th. And th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi, thi. thi. thi's thi's thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And, thi. And thi. And thi. And thi. And thi. And thi. And thi. And thi. And theeeeeeeeeea. And theeea. And theea. And theeea. And thea. And the. And thi's, th. And those programs with the psychedelic drugs, the early experiments with ESP and all the personnel involved in those UFO investigations, you're left with a really unsettling prospect. And that's that all of this wasn't just a psychological operation. And at a minimum, some of these spooks and military men started to genuinely believe

Starting point is 00:07:23 that they were communicating with something that was not human. And from there you start asking things like possession real. And is that something that's been weaponized? Now we start getting some some religious stuff and like fallen angels and Nephalem and all that stuff. We've had a lot of people coming on that they think a lot of possession involves the spirits of the Nephalem who couldn't die. I mean, I'm into all this stuff like how crazy it is and that's why I always say man. It's like the world's way more interesting than you think and like I honestly believe that the world as we know it right now or as we don't know it and what's really going on is like every movie ever all at the same time. That's my opinion. It makes sense because I think those movies are you know drawn from reality. Yeah 100% yeah I buy that. I think it was like actually the shining specifically that's been transformed into the th. that th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's the world. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's the world. It's the world the world the world th. It's that's the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world the world you know, drawn from reality. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, I buy that. I think it was like actually the Shining specifically that's been transformed into Twin

Starting point is 00:08:30 Peaks season three where we're sort of like either Jack or Cooper trapped in an endless time loop in the Black Lodge. Yeah, I buy that. Yeah, you should really watch twin. Sam. I think you would enjoy it. It's. It's. It's. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I's, th. I's, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah, thi. Yeah, th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. th. th.. I think you would enjoy it. It's rewarding, watch it with your kids, sure. Until you get to the, well, don't watch it with your children. Well, my kids are three. I'm gonna watch Twin Peaks with three-year-olds? Yeah, yeah, just make sure they're looking at you and not the TV.

Starting point is 00:08:56 Okay, so much to That it David Lynch has to say about the world we live in and and can you know as it evolves like the Latin twoit season three was just I mean, I don't even know what to say about twin peak season three Reckley's it was unlike anything. I've ever seen well. What do you think is more accurate twin peaks or????????? tw? tw? tw. the tw. tw. tw. the tw. tw. tw. the tw. tw. the tw. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the th. their. their. their. their. their. th. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that. th. that. that. that. that. that. th. that. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the or black mirror? I'm not sure accurate is the word. What do you think is more? I mean black mirror is all about predicting technology and its influence on the future and that I think David Lynch has more of an esoteric approach to you know those types of things. Yeah, I'm all I'm into it. I'm open-minded. I think it's th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. I'm. th. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm th. I'm. I'm. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. know those types of things. All right I'm into it I'm open-minded I think it's crazy I think it's I mean yeah I this is I always wonder like there's such so many and I don't want to jump all over because I know you have a presentation but you know when you hear someone like who's the gay serial killer what's his name? Domer? Domer. Domer. You know like when he was a kid he called the president

Starting point is 00:10:06 like he called the White House and got through and you're like that's really weird to me. It's probably where he got his ideas from. He was like oh yeah. Are you talking to killer gays? I mean some of that could be even weirder. I mean one of the things I've been trying to confirm but I think Dahmer was actually baptized on the day that Gacy was executed if I'm not mistaken. Really? That is completely weird like souls going into different yeah. Yeah I mean I mean because when Domer was kind of active in that you know the gays scene around Chicago to during the 80s so there's also the sort of slim chance that they might have met each other at some point. But I mean it's all in that because Domro's act operating out of Milwaukee, which is only about two hours from Chicago or

Starting point is 00:10:50 something like that. So it's a very close neighborhood there. And then of course. Oh. But um. It is crazy, dude. And like how many how many of these serial killers went to Vietnam, got sprayed with Agent orange??? to to to Milwaukee. Oork. Oork. Oork. Owaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tooaq o' to Milwaukee. O' tooomork. O' tooomki. O' tooomky. O' tooomky. O' tooomky. O' tooomky. O' tooom. O' tooom. O' tooan. O' to to to to to to to to to to Milwaukee to Milwaukee to Milwaukee. to Milwaukee. to Milwaukee. to to m. O' to to to to to to to m. I. I. I th. I was to me. I was toe. I'm toeconomic. I'm toeconomic. I'm toeconomic. I'm toeconomic. I'm toeck. I'm toeck. I'm toeck. Because. I'm many these serial killers went to Vietnam got sprayed with agent orange and came back just fucking twisted I mean it's not you think the government knows that that could be a side effect yeah yeah like have you becoming a serial killer like how many episodes have you been on the show yeah no no no but honestly how many like 500 I get that no no no but that ancient orange that one one of the that one of the the thi. that's that's that's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the th. the th. the th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi's thi's thi's thi's thi. thi. thi's thi's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi th. thi thi thi thi thi thi the thi thi that how many like 500? I get that no no no but that ancient orange that one of the side effects is that if you take too much of it you might come back here and become a serial killer like you really they have it that pinpoint like I know they can do that. I mean but I'm just saying like is it I don't know if I mean when you're watching commercials I they're like when when when when when when when when when when when when when when when the they they the they the they they they the the the they they they the the they the they the they they they they they they the they they they they they they they they they they they're like like like I they. I'm they're like I they're like I they're like I they're like I they're like I they're like I they're like I they're like I they're like I they're like I they're like I they're like I they're like I they're like I they're like I they're like I they're like I'm they they're like I'm they're like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm. th. I'm. th. I'm. th. I'm. I'm. th. they. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. Ithey're like, could cause suicidal thoughts.

Starting point is 00:11:46 Why couldn't they have something that causes homicidal thoughts? That's just, yeah, that to me just blows my mind the house, they do, by the way. I told you, I, for some, I was having, oh, for some reason I got prescribed I got prescribed, I got prescribed, Off for off something off label. I can't remember what it was now. It was when I was in college. I got prescribed this medication that is also an you know an anti-depressive sort of agent. Yeah. And I went in after a week of taking it and I just told the doctor I was like, yeah, you know, it's okay.

Starting point is 00:12:19 It's okay, but I just feel like, I don't know, I feel like my knees are kind of itching and I just kind of want to jump out of my skin and this black woman who was my doctor turned to white and just kind of looked at me she goes stop taking that immediately I was like what she's kind of scared me I was like what you what you what you talking about she goes that's that's that's the thing where people start killing their family's like their that's that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just that's th I I th th th th I thi thi thi th their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi thi. thi. thi. thi. the the thi. the thi the their the their's what the doctor told me. What? Yeah, like, so I, if there's some well-known side effect of one of these popular, their knees start itchin? Well, it's, it's this feeling of your skin crawling kind of, and kind of like a joint, like, restless legs kind of, like that thing, and then that's on the market that you should know yeah she knew this yeah I mean like unless that email just dropped in her lap like just right now they're like hey listen if anybody has itchy knees and want to jump out

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Starting point is 00:13:49 That far away. That's the direction you point the comment. I mean, that's it really. 100%. Okay, I don't want to. I'll go ahead. plays into whether the side of one of the additional side effects is related to a rexile dysfunction or something like that well. I mean that could be like the deciding factor I mean if you can't even get hard anymore after you're taking the thing instead of just committing suicide maybe you now need to

Starting point is 00:14:14 lash out at somebody who knows. Take out your competition. Yeah I'm not gonna lie if Viagra doesn't work on me I might want to shoot someone. Yeah, I mean, on three pills in, I'm three pills in. Yeah, you should take the rhino 55,000. You could be paralyzed and your legs will get stiff from the rhino 55,000. All right, I don't want to get off track. Where do you want? So, let's pick up where we kind of left off. So I have some notes where like,

Starting point is 00:14:45 where do you want to start? I feel like we went off the rails and we haven't allowed you to cook with gas. Oh, you're fine, man. I mean, any time we start talking about the antidepressants and rectal dysfunction, I'm good. But let's get back to something I mentioned the last time I was on here, and that was the whole seance that changed the world because that's a really groovy one right? All right so there were actually two of these things and one happened in 1952 when New Year's Eve and the second one

Starting point is 00:15:13 was on June 27th 1953 so they're also kind of unfolding right there around the solstices and so forth and supposedly at these seances initially there were I thi people the first one and the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. T the the the the the the the the the th. the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th th th th th th th the the th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. the th. the were the were the were the were the were the were the were the were the were the were the were the the the the a thea thea thea thea thea thea thea the a the a the a the were actually the were actually ththere were, I think, three people the first one, and then nine people, the second one, they were done by a doctor named Vinoyed. The participants were supposedly contacted by entities that were subsequently known as the nine, who were either transdimensional aliens or beings that existed in pure consciousness within a computer, depending upon, you know, who's telling the story it changed a little bit over the years. Also they claimed to have been the grand in need from ancient Egypt. Back in the day, they were worshipped by gods and humanity and all this other good stuff, right? So these things would continue to show up time again in pop culture. They turn up in the JFK assassination. They turn the Watergate.

Starting point is 00:16:09 Yeah, they just keep coming. And it always begs a lot of interesting questions about this. So the people who were involved in the second seons were a bunch of New England blue buds. You have people like the DuPonts, the Asters, the Pains, and so forth, and I'd always kind of dismissed this, you know, for a lot of years, but after going to some of these really crazy mansions that these families like the Depants have put up and seen, you know, frankly, what is the really ritualistic setup that they've got a lot of them, I've had to wonder if it was just........ And it was the their. And their. And, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. is, th. And, th. And, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to bea, to bea, to bea. I's, toe. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea. toea, toe. I's, to, to,'ve got. A lot of them. I've had to wonder if it was just a coincidence that many of them were there. But anyway, the big guy doing this was a dude named Entry of Puharic, who was a doctor, and he had a lot of different channelers for this stuff over the years as the transmissions

Starting point is 00:17:00 from the 9 kept coming. One of them was a fellow named Yuri Geller, who people, he th. He th. He th. He th, he th, he th, he th, he th, he th, he th, he th, he was th, he was th, he was th, he was th, he was th, he was th, he was th, he was thi, he was thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi,. One of them was a fellow named Uri Geller who people probably heard of. He's an Israeli stage magician. Also a asset at times for Massoud for MI6. It's just the guy you were talking about. He's a guy who whispered stuff to Maria Bonovich is that the guy? No no no no he's he used to come on TV in the 80s and Ben spoons all the time he would do all these like I got right there right. He used to be wildly popular, Uri Geller. Yeah, and right. Yeah, he got exposed

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Starting point is 00:18:52 Which has sequentially been taken up by the I.M. movement. Yeah, freaking crazy, dude. Okay, you brought up I am movement. What is the I.M. Movement? Well, it was started by this couple called the Ballards around the late 1920s but we've looked at some evidence of this. It might have actually a lot of the ideology been taken from the aftermentioned William Dudley Paley. Paley was a guy who claimed to have had essentially an

Starting point is 00:19:20 outer body experience which he wrote down an account of seven minutes of eternity, which became quite popular around the late 1920s. And he started bringing all this theosophical stuff and what have you, even early accounts, the serious tradition into his cosmology. And then in 1933, he believed that I believe the second coming of Christ had occurred on earth and it had taken the form of Adolf Hitler. What? Yes, yes, yes.

Starting point is 00:19:54 And this had led him to create the paramilitary silver shirts. It was around this time that he started meeting up with Ballard's and it actually looks like that Mrs. Ballard was having an affair with Paley. They ended up taking over a lot of his militia types after he was brought up on sedition charges and what have you too. But wonderful guy. Hold on, hold on, there's so much you just said so much. So this guy thought Jesus was born again and Jesus came back as Hitler? Effectively or I can't remember if that or like the Maitreya or something but yes some sort of divine being could come back to earth and taken on the earthly manifestation of Adolf Hitler. So crazy I mean you could pick anybody as you like, how do you get anyone to follow you after that? Like, that has to be the last fact to the fact you tel to the the the the the th... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. th. th. to to to th. thi. th. th. to th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the. the. the. the. the. th. you like how do you get anyone to follow you after that like

Starting point is 00:20:46 like that has to be the last fact you tell them. I mean you do you hear these people following your man. You do hear people who were in the presence of Hitler describe him as having like you there this is a report from all the generals who are trying to excuse their actions. I mean let's be up front their their. But they the the the the the the the the the the the they. Let. Let. Let. Let. Let. Let. Let. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. t. th. te. te. te. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. let's be up front about it. But they say when you were in a room with him like you went in there like I'm gonna quit I can't take this shit anymore and he just had this like hypnotizing mesmeric effect his eyes you know like he had these just this glare that could influence people to do whatever you know and some people as a subpoenaed. And some people as a supernatal to thi. A that's th. th. th. th. th. th. thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, I their, I their, I their, I their their their, I I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I their, I thu, I thu, I thu, I thu, I thu, I thu, I thu, I'm thin, thin, thu. thoo-I'm tho-I'm tho-I'm tho-I'm tho-I'm tho-a-I'm tho-a, tho-a, thoto the Roth Childs at all, Stephen? That's a good question. I mean I don't know if he necessarily had a connection to the Rothschilds, but there was just this whole... See, I mean a lot of people don't talk about this, but the Nazis had actually started

Starting point is 00:21:41 relocating a lot of Jews to the Holy Land before the Holocaust really kicked into high gear. In fact, that was actually sort of one of the things that contributed to the foundation of the modern state of Israel in the aftermath of the war. But I've always wondered if there was part of the reason why several Jewish elites hadn't financially supported Hitler at some point, because it kind of seems like at the early days, I guess sort of like the no-nothing party the United States. They, like, you know, over here we wanted to just send the African-Americans back to Africa.

Starting point is 00:22:15 Well, Hitler was supposedly just content with helping the Jews return to the Holy Land in the early years before the, you know, all the gas chambers stuff. Oh man, okay, now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now now th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi the the the the the the the the thi's the the thi's the early years before the, you know, all the gas chambers stuff. Oh man, okay, now you're, now you're getting deep on some stuff. And this is like, this is the thing when people start talking about it, you know, people get really weirded out and this is another dangerous conversation on the show. That, that Hiller actually wanted to get them to Israel. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, yeah. I mean, that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was that was the the the the the the the the the. the the the the the their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. to get them to Israel? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, yeah. I mean, that was one of the original plans that they had looked at. I mean, it was, you know, again, one of many,

Starting point is 00:22:52 but they did actually help Jews relocate to the Holy Land at some point in the early days, before the whole final solution thing really gained a lot of traction. There's just is is is is just is just is just is just is just is just is just is just is just is just is just is just is just is just is just is just is just is just is just is just is just is just a their is just a lot that's is just a lot that's just a lot that's just a lot that's just a lot that's just a that's just a that's just a that's that that's just a that's just a that's a that that that that that that that that that that. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that. that, that. that. that. that, that. that. that that. that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that thiia. the their their their their their their their their their their their th. that's that's th. that's that. thi.'s just a lot about Hitler that just you go okay what is going on here like that's a fact that's very interesting and then like why didn't he ever attack Switzerland that's an interesting like hey did why why aren't you going to switch you're you're steamrolling all of Europe but you're not going to go to Switzerland? It's like weird to me. And then he also didn't want like the German people to know that he was killing the Jews That's why they were outside of Germany. He had him in like Poland and like the concentration camps like the work camps were in Germany

Starting point is 00:23:34 But he didn't want the people of Germany knowing hey we're fucking killers and we're just gassing people I know there are the theories that they wanted kind of a place to to to to to to to to to to to to the to the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their tea. their tea. their the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their I know there are theories that they wanted kind of a place to go hide, you know, if they lost the war, but I can't believe that. Because I don't think they ever thought about losing any of those guys until much later. They never thought they were going to lose. Think about this, honestly, if your, if your country didn't cover it, their country didn't cover the war. Like, didn't cover it, what do you mean? Didn't cover, let's say Latin America. How into World War II? What do you mean, like news coverage? Yeah. Like, oh, it's a World War II, but who in Latin America is involved with that? I don't know. So it's like, you know, now you got this guy Hitler. Everyone says he's in Argentina. Like, what does that mean to the average Argentina

Starting point is 00:24:27 who may not have had television or any kind of connection to what was going on in Europe? Yeah, most were neutral and supported the allies with Materiao, but Mexico and Brazil sent some troops to fight in the war, but that's about it. That's about it. Like, you know, I mean, I'm just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just, like, I just, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, that's, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, that, that, that's, that's that's that, that's that's that's that's the the the the the the the the war but that's about it. That's about it. Like it's kind of crazy right? Like you know I mean I'm just saying like it's it's just super and Hitler is super like we it's like like it's such a weird thing with. Oh there's so much about Hiller that's just it just feels like they're missing pieces to that that story doesn't it? Yeah and the way Johnny talks about how like people would go in their in their in..... their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. they. they. their. they. they. they. they're. they. they. they. they. they're. they. they. they're. they're. they're just. they're just. the. they. they. they. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they just just just just just just just just it? Yeah. And the way Johnny talks about how like people would go in there trying to quit and he'd convince you that sounds like some Lucifer air like Lucifer stuff like yeah like Lusifarian. Yeah like we had like like some power he like possessed or some demon in him. I say that I mean they really do say he was so influential one on you know you know you've seen him as a But apparently he had the same effect, right? Yeah, yeah, they have a sort of magnetic effect.

Starting point is 00:25:26 And it's just like, then you get into birthdays and like what that birthday represents and and then you get into the numerology of it. It's so crazy. It's just so crazy. And I want to get back to the nine because I find it very interesting. You know, we've talked a lot about pagan gods on the last episode. I just, I just like, what are your thoughts? Like, are you an atheist? Me? No, no. What are you? I would say I would, I don't know,

Starting point is 00:26:01 probably an agnostic. I don't really have a specific designation. I just sort of have my own personal beliefs, I guess, based on my experiences in life. Does fallen angels register with you at all? Yeah, yeah, I definitely think to some extent that's plausible. I think there's a lot of credence to the book of a knock and that kind of things, certainly. I find it interesting, but all these, like when I see here says, the, you know, humanity as gods of ancient Egypt, I'm like, are those gods or all those fallen angels, right? It's like, it's so- Is it even a relevant distinction?

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Starting point is 00:28:44 All right, so we have this, the site now. All right, so we have this seance and all this weird shit pops off. And then these people they talked to are the nine. And what do the nine basically, what were some, well you gave us a list of people who were involved, but what happens in the seons? Well, they essentially were told that they had a great destiny where they would go forth and guide humanity or something to that effect. And this led to some pretty crazy stuff. I mean, it seems like from beginning around the early 60s, they started to incorporate a lot

Starting point is 00:29:22 of this into various forms of entertainment. And the really big things seems to be th th to be to be to be to be the to be the to be to be the to be the to be the the to be the to be the their their their their their they their they they they had their they had they had their their their their their they had they had they had they had they had they had they had they they they they they had they they they had they had they they they had their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the... told. told. told. told. told. told. told. told. told. told. the. their their their their their their their lot of this into various forms of entertainment. And the really big thing seems to be the circle around Leslie Stevens, who created the Outer Limits. His father was an admiral in the Navy. And this is where Gene Roddenberry was lurking around before he started Star Trek, right? And Star Trek is just absolutely littered with all of these mythos of the nine in it. I mean, obviously you can see this was like DS 9 and some of the later ones, but I mean, almost from the beginning, Roddenberry was putting stuff like that into there. But the movie is really interesting. And what I just kind of uncovered is the fact that Stanley Kubrick was probably also embedding this stuff into pop cultural and specifically with 2001. One of Kubrick's really good friends, a guy who went to high school with and who got

Starting point is 00:30:11 him into direction, would go on to work extensively on the Star Trek franchise and he was working with Leslie Stevens all the way back in 1960. And when you look at how Kubrick basically has these disembodied intelligences in 2001, I think that this is very much taken out of the nine mythos that they were trying to seed as long as, as well as the connections to psychedelics, which were always closely connected to the nine from the beginning with Buharic effectively claiming at one point that they had guided him to discover some magic mushrooms in Maine, I think, around like 1955 or something like that. In a lot of ways, I mean, 2001 is almost like the ultimate personification of this whole milieu that this mythos had spawned. That's so crazy. I mean,

Starting point is 00:30:59 like there's definitely some Star Wars, Star Trek. They have all this weird stuff. Like when I watch Star Trek, I mean Star Wars, all the new ones, I go, this is DEI, you know, at its greatest. Diversity, this is the most, this is where diversity goes. The canteen on Star Wars, where everyone's got a gun and there's one of everyone. That's where, it like it's I wouldn't doubt that these these sci-fi shows actually have some dark arts symbolism behind them. And like, do you have any examples of where there's some nine in Star Trek? That really interests me. Do you have any examples of that?

Starting point is 00:31:43 Well, yeah, I mean, you could see the Q character, for instance, is being sort of based on that whole thing where the favorite. This was, yeah, exists outside of time and space. In the case of DS-9, I mean, it's really blatant with, what is it, the profits, I think, they're called, those interdimensional beings that live in the wormhole outside of the planet there that the spaceship is hovering around. Gosh I can't remember the name of it now, but there's a really telling scene I think specifically in like the like end of I think this I think it's the season finale for the fifth season but it's the time when they brought Cisco into the wormhole and he's communicating with these beings right. And yeah the prophets and I mean the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the the. the. the the. the the the. I thi is the the the the the theate. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their the. I is is is is is is is is the. I is the. I is the. I is thean. I is thean. I is thean. I'm. I'm teanananananananananususeananususeanananususea.s.s.s.s.s.s.s.s. I's tea. I'm tea. I'm their And yeah, the prophets. And I mean, he basically says something to them. If you want people to believe that your gods, then be gods because they're about to be invaded by that really advanced

Starting point is 00:32:35 civilization from the Delta Quadrant or something like that. And essentially, the prophets just make this whole armada disappear, you know, like that. It's nothing to them. So I think that that's interesting. In the final frontier, Star Trek 5, you know, there's this being that is pretending to be God at the center of the universe. And he, you know, it kind of, I would say, would represent maybe one of these beings,

Starting point is 00:33:07 like a false angel of light or whatever, but his whole thing is he's drawing the crew of the enterprise to the center of the universe, and then they get there, and Spock's brother has kind of convoluted sort of story, but they, he hijacks them and like takes them to this. And then he's like, come closer, bring your ship closer, and then Kirk's in the back, he's like, uh, excuse me, what does God need with a star ship? And then he just starts shooting laser beams out of his eyes at them, you know, and trying to kill them all. But it's, yeah, I could totally see how you could see that as a, you know, the subtext there is that there are these maybe fallen angels that are parading as beings of light and possibly hiding

Starting point is 00:33:51 in space, you know, like using space as their cloak, you know, and really it's not space, but you know, maybe extra dimensional territory out there that is, you know, they're trying to draw us into it so that they can somehow the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the their the. their their the. the. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their.. their. their. their. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi.. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. toda. today. today. today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, today, todaythere that is, you know, they're trying to draw us into it so that they can somehow take something from us that they need. That's why maybe we're being pulled to the cosmos. Who knows? It's interesting, dude, and it's weird. It's just really, I mean, most of the earliest spiritual traditions are effectively centered around the whole concept of, you know, what we refer to in the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi.a.a.a.a.a. We's, thiii. We're, thi. We're, thi. thi, thi the sanctum mystical community as astronoses. Because I mean really when you get back to the traditions really from Egypt, from Babylon, especially involving theorgy, the transmutation of the consciousness, you know, all of this is essentially about traveling through space. A lot of ancient traditions believed that the human soul originated in

Starting point is 00:34:43 the milky way. and then it's in the process of incarnation traveled down through the planetarian celestial spheres and then upon death he returned to the stars. So I mean this has always been something that's fascinated humanity and specifically there's always been this question I think that you know we've been struggling with almost throughout our existence as to whether or not this this is thi, this is thi tho tho tho tho tho tho thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi tho tho tho tho tho tho tho throut tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the thi. thee the thi. thi. thi. thi thi thi thi the thi think, that, you know, we've been struggling with almost throughout our existence as to whether or not this is an actual physical space out there, or is this something much more metaphysical, because it has always been very closely tied to this religious journey, right?

Starting point is 00:35:21 So that's where it gets even more incredible. I mean, in a lot of ways, you know, we're just kind of discovering the earliest faith now. It's so crazy, dude. It's so, it's constantly a mind game. And the purpose of it, I don't know. I think it's to keep you confused. Yeah, well, congratulations. You did. I am Shishkababbed at this panel. So what do you think became of the nine? Well, they still seemed to be lingering around. I mean, they had actually a residency at

Starting point is 00:35:58 Eselon for a couple of years. They were promoted by Jenny O'Connor, who was one of the Chandlers for a time. Interesting too, there was another one in the 70s known only to posterity as Bobby who was a cook from Daytona Beach, which is always fascinated me because I'm a cook from Daytona Beach. So anyway, hold on what are you saying? What are you saying that a cook from Daytona Beach might have been part of the nine? He was one of the vessels that they the th. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So, the the the the the the th. So, the th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. thi, the the, thi, th. th. th. th. they, th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the the the the the the thi. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they the Chandlers at the nine for whatever reason he was one of the vessels that they used so yeah They used Jerry Geller they used the Astrophasist George Hunt Williamson they used the new age flag Jenny O'Conno and they used a cook from Daytona beach what did you call him? the astrophasist? Yeah, George Hunt William. Why is he an astrophasist? By the way, best name ever, I mean, if anybody else, that would be Hitler, let's be honest. He was an early euphologist,

Starting point is 00:36:51 like I said, he was there with George Edaminski when that, you know, blonde Aryan being from Venus stepped out of the spaceship, right? What? I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. He later, you know, worked for George William Dudley, the guy was just telling you about the silver shirt pure so I mean what else you're going to call him? He's an astrophasist, right? I've never heard of astrophasist. I just came up with that in the spot too, man. Oh, you made that up? Yeah, just right we got another, now we, now we got fascist aliens here. Swimming around with Hitler mustaches, probate butts. You would be amazed when you go into these channel communications, how often some supposed superior intelligence from another galaxy has traveled all this way to earth to inform us that

Starting point is 00:37:47 in fact the Jews are the ultimate personification of pure evil in the known universe. I imagine trying what? What? What? Who is coming that far? Imagine traveling that far? And everyone's like, whatever anti-semitic being from another... Imagine your excitement at meeting, okay, the spaceship door opens, you know, and you're like, oh my God, what? Greetings, you know, lovely to meet you. What can you tell us about the nature of reality or, you know, the life in the universe? And they're like, the Jews, man, the Jews, you really really really really really really really really really really really, you really really, you really, you really, you really, they're really, they're really, they're really, they're really. And they're really. And they're really. And they're really. they're really. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. their. their. thi. thi. thi. thi. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. What thi. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. What th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. their, what their their their their thea. thea. thi. th universe and they're like the Jews man the Jews you really gotta watch out for the Jews bro and then they just leave keep trying the Jews man oh no no first they give us the one advice like you have a great and shining destiny before you but first just have to do a little work on your racial hygiene

Starting point is 00:38:41 racial hygiene oh my god hygiene. Oh my God. Isn't that hilarious? I'm not saying he was right about everything. Hitler had some ideas. That's the alien take him. This guy's from another higher and a higher dimension where all's love and all is pure and they only speak to truth. What do you say? Hitler had some good ideas. Okay wrap it up call today there we go and we're

Starting point is 00:39:06 off to commercial we'll be right back crazy dude crazy we need to get a Chandler on this show I would love that just channel some shit I would love that and we'll be like X the entity when XG's English is gonna get better mom we got babble I've, I've been trying. He's the only one that gets Babel to learn to speak English. Is that even an option? I think, I think that would be the best. Hey man, do you want to learn to speak English if you already know how to speak better English?

Starting point is 00:39:44 Oh, man, that is crazy dude. So we got the nine. The nine now has some Daytona Beach Chandler. That's so crazy, that's so crazy dude. Right? They've got us. If you can pick anywhere, would you pick Daytona Beach? You're the worst places I mean. Not for a channel. I mean of anywhere? Yeah, trust me Daytona Beach is not the place you're going to find somebody who's especially spiritually enlightened. I lived there for nearly 20 years. I know really, I know. Yeah. It's also not the place you would expect beings to come through, you know what I'm saying? Like where are we going to appear? How about the guy in days You know my theory about this dimension right that all these entities treated like Tijuana

Starting point is 00:40:29 They come here for a donkey show so if you're gonna come here for a donkey's just think about It actually does make sense to me right when you're going to play like grand theftado right don't? Don't you pick the weirdest character like you add like the weirdest dimensions the weirdest haircuts the weirdest stuff and so if I'm an NT and yeah that's why you go to Florida right so you're like dude where can I get the weirdest avatar to work through well we got this cook in Daytona Beach has got frosted tips to the barber tattoos timmer Peggy who does the ping pong ball show yeah yeah yeah yeah, oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. Your choice. Why did the two chicks one cup while she found God? And now she's she's just one chick, two cups now. Yeah, just one chick. And her cup runneth over with the love of God. That's crazy. It's one, it's one cup and we can't tell if it's half full or half empty. So they have channelers and they pick some weird ones.

Starting point is 00:41:26 Ah, I mean, how much of that do you think, Reckley's do you think is legitimate? I mean, do you get the sense that some of it is just attention seeking the channeling? Yeah, I mean definitely a lot of these guys were certainly opportunist, there's no doubt. What do you look for when you are evaluating the legitimacy or the likely, you know, the likely legitimacy of these types of people? Well, I mean, you got to, I mean, especially if you're talking about spies, I mean, you've got kind of their likely, they're all bullshit artists at some level. Yeah, they're trying to create a mythos th th th th th th tho tho tho tho their tho their their their tho their tho their tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thi tho tho tho tho tho tho thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. their the. their their their their their their thea. their the. the., I mean, you've got to kind of keep in mind, none of them are ever truly legitimate. I mean, they're all bullshit artists at some level or another, they're trying to create a mythos around them. So I try to go by as much of the hard background

Starting point is 00:42:12 material that I can find around this stuff. And that's, you know, the thing with the nine who pushed this for years was this Adrina Puharic guy, but he was doing some very serious work for the DOD and the CIA for a time. And the way Puharic claimed, the way he told it, is that he went to bat for all this stuff around 1947 on a project called Penguin. Now, there's never been any evidence to confirm that something named Penguin existed and he claimed that this was part of the Navy, but it just so happens that in 1947 the Navy did launch a program that was known as Pelican. So it is pretty similar and Pelican is a really interesting program that's never talked about. It was basically a full-blown clockwork orange type procedure. So the Navy is trying to recruit people for special operations forces and assassinations.

Starting point is 00:43:16 And they're scouring the military prisons and they're finding these candidates, they want to try to make them even more efficient killers. So they're being strappedtry to make them even more efficient killers. So they're being strapped into chairs, clamped down, their eyes are literally being clamped open just like in a clockwork orange, they're being drugged, and they're shown these ultra-violent movies in a bid to desensitize them. This is another reason too why I think that Kubrick was in on all of this because again, Kuala Gorgans, there's some very pointed references to this program that Puharic may

Starting point is 00:43:50 have potentially been actively involved in. So this is some really nasty stuff. One other thing, again, I want to reiterate, the men that were being picked for this program were being taken out of military prisons and so forth. They were already picking people with the the the their their their their their there there there there there their there there there there there there there there there there their there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there's there's very very very very very very very very very very there's there's there's very very very very very very very there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very there there their their their their their their their the men that were being picked for this program were being taken out of military prisons and so forth. They were already picking people with a strong inclination towards violence. So it does kind of beg the question just how much you really needed to desensitize these people.

Starting point is 00:44:17 Right, right, right. And like I've said this before, you know, I'd a friend before who couldn't pass the psychological exam to become a cop and he's. the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the th. And he th. And he th. And he th. And he's the th. And he's th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi's thi.eean thi's thiiiii. We're thiiii. We're thii. We're thi. We're thi. We're thi, thi. We know I'd a I'd a friend before who couldn't pass the psychological exam to become a cop and he's the nicest guy I know for a while there before he did become a cop and it made me start to think that maybe he was too nice. Yeah maybe that ain't what they want. Yeah they want a guy who's like gonna you know good I mean again I'm really not in the mood to like bash cops even though I do believe that that th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the tho thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to the the to to the to the the the the the the the thi thi thi thi thi the really not in the mood to like bash cops, even though I do believe that we need to have a checks and balances on that, right? That can't be just, you know, New Jack City or some shit like that, right?

Starting point is 00:44:53 We got to have it. We have to have some balance. But I also think that they do want a certain type of aggression in their cops. They're ready to go. And they the, and the, and the, and the, and they're they're they're they're their their they're looking th, and th, and they're looking th. th. th. they're looking thathing thathea, thathea, they're looking they're they're they're thathea, thathea, they're they're they're thi, they're they're thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, they're they're to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to that to that that that that that aggression in their cops that have shit's a fan they're ready to go and they're looking for that action. See but I also think there's some that if you might do great on that test you get a thousand and you get ranked the fuck up. Like oh you're perfect. You're exactly what we're looking for.

Starting point is 00:45:19 You beat you more than average and they move you up and now you're part of the the the the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th th and then they move you up and now you're you're part of the fucking police department in Vegas. Yeah, right. And now you're the part of the sheriff and now you can act like nothing happened. Yeah I mean that's that's that's why I just said basically right that's that they look what you were saying how they look for like people that are like their psycho? No you said your friend was too not oh you're saying they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they were they they were they they they they they they they they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the they the they their their thethey want some of those people to think that they also find and they look for people that are like super aggressive super ready to yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah they put them on the force and they're like here this guy I'll shoot a black guy for sure yeah yeah that's basically part of why I don't part of what I'm thi I don't thi tho th th th th th th th th th th th th th th that th that that that that that that that that thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the tho thi thi thi thi the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they the thi. the the the their thi. their thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. they thi. they thi. the. the. they're the. the. the. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they they're they they 't believe that everybody is perfect for... Again, I'm not hating on cops.

Starting point is 00:46:07 I just was trying to figure out why this kid who was the nicest kid I know was having problem passing this test. And he ended up just, now he's a cop. And I just, like, it just made me think that maybe they don't want normal people. Like, if you're in the military, they're doing tests on you all the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their you're in the military they're doing tests on you all the time. Like does everybody get a chance to become special ops or do they ask you if you want become because you have a certain level that they know they need for that. I mean when you get out of no you have to go through a personality profile if I'm not mistaken to get into which goes back the last thing you you talked about last the th........... the their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. they. they. they. they. they. they're. they're. they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they's. they's. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, their, their, their, their, their, they. they. they. they. they. they. they. their they're they. their their they're their they're they're they're they're they're their taken to get this. Which goes back to last thing you talked about last time you're on the show. Like what are these special classes about? Yeah absolutely.

Starting point is 00:46:50 You know I mean like I'm pretty sure when we're like like we all have accepted that these phones mine our data and we don't and everyone's like yep what can you do but man I think they've been doing data forever. They just had different ways to do it. Well that was the Snowden thing part partly the revelation that you know they were literally crunching all the data you know at that big facility everything. But even before like the internet like hey man how many times you smoke cigarettes a week like they had like they did like they did like they would they would they would they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they would they would they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they would they would they would they would they would they would they would they would they would they would they would they would they would they would they would would they would would they would they would would they would they would they would they would they would they would they they would they they they they they hey man how many times you smoke cigarettes a week like they had like yeah they did like dude they would track like library book you know yeah everything we check out library books yeah they had so you have you noticed any parenting or any test that you might be okay this is

Starting point is 00:47:36 weird because that's when they start them young you start to ta to find out if your kid is smart or if it's reading or not. Have you noticed anything? No, not yet. But- Are your kids in school yet? Well, they're preschool, yeah. But that's not like public, that's not like part of the system yet, really technically, right? Well, one is, and the other one's in a private school, that is like a Catholic school,

Starting point is 00:47:57 because I just don I was trying to be nice about so they didn't think I was like some psycho weird conspiracy there's I'm like oh what do you guys like teacher are you guys doing any of that woke no we do none of that woke stuff I'm like thank God she's coming to the school and you know it's like you know and again I would love to do home schooling I don't know if that that I to to to to to to to to the to to the to the to the the the the the the the the the the the to the the the the the the the the to the to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. I I they. I they. I'm they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theyoooooooe. I I they. I that's an option right now. I don't want to hear about it, but I would love that. But right now... You don't want to hear about it? Because not everybody can do homeschooling and I... You make it seem very easy when it is... It's very hard. You have to have the right people involved with it, wanting to do it. It should be a community like oh..., well that's what a lot of it is. Well, yeah, you really need a community, yeah, to do homeschooling effectively. I mean, that's from what a lot of my friends who told me have tried to do it.

Starting point is 00:48:49 If you don't have like kind of a support network of people around you to like share the burden with, you know, with other parents and stuff like threat. It becomes kind of thriv- thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to to to to to to to to to to to thi. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to told told told told told told told told told, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi. thr. thrown. thr. thr. throoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. to to to to to to to to to think at the federal level, there's funding for community. Well, I mean, they're thinking about making it illegal right now. I don't know, that would suck. Whoa. For real? Yeah, they're trying, I mean, they're never going to be able to do it, but I mean, they're going to try. There's finally a movement. uh... against higher education you know against the university system i think that will take the pressure off of you know the standardized nature of high

Starting point is 00:49:28 school and middle school because you know the reason they say oh you gotta pass all these standardized test you can get in the college but the the emphasis is much less now on going to college i think finally you know because it's being exposed for the money making sham it is that I think people will, you know, feel more comfortable pursuing homeschooling. Well, I got murdered on Twitter because they, somebody put this out and it was like, hey, hey, can you do this third grade Chinese math equation? I couldn't have done it.

Starting point is 00:49:59 I saw it. Okay. But by the way, they had like a 20-year-old doing it in the video. I'm like, where's the they had like a 20 year old doing it in the video I'm like where's the three where's the third grader Chinese that's not third grader Chinese But I also can't do the shit I could do in fifth but I also said like I'm 50 years old and I've never had to use this math any point and they they they murdered me I haven't done algebra in 20 years they murdered me all you just why don't you just me, me, you can't do the math. Dude, I'm functionally illiterate. What makes you think I can do math? Yeah, that's a good point. No, and I saw the video because I thought I was like, let me see if I can't see if I there was no way. There was like four or five equations you had to make Americans feel stupid, but we did that shit. We did algebra when we were in school. Yeah, and then you graduated high school.

Starting point is 00:50:47 Because you don't do it. You forget about it. And you're like, this applies nowhere. And that was the point of what I did. That's the point of the tweet. I've never used it. In my life. I'm 50 years old. done a million things in my life, never used it. Now part of it is because I've got a supercomputer in my pocket literally now.

Starting point is 00:51:07 Well, that's 100%. And it's, and I don't know if that's good or bad. And it's like, okay, you know, I mean, like, okay, the third grade Chinese kids can do this math. If they're so smart, why are they jacking all of our ideas? Why they spying on us th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus. thus. thus. thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that. And it's like, that's like, thi. And it's like, thi. And it's like, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I th. And, and I th. And, and I th. And, and I th. And, and I. And, and I. And, and I th. And, and I th. And, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I's, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, th. th. th. th. th. th. And, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm, and I'm and right? Fair point there. You know, it's like, it's, obviously there's something about when you're overly structured. You don't think outside the box. You don't allow creativity to happen. And that's a big problem with, like, communist. Now I know that China's evolving, but when you're telling people what they can do, what they can't do for work, you're not allowing people to thrive.

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Starting point is 00:55:25 get on the mailing list and if you can join us it would be really great. We appreciate you and just check it out. Chaos Twins.com. Now let's get back to the show. Yeah, I want to go back to this. So did we get into Project Pelican yet? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So this is super interesting because again, you know with this Q stuff.. wee wee wee wee th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thu stuff, thu stuff, thu stuff, thu stuff, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, th. thus, thi, thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi. thi. thi. thi., so this is super interesting because again, you know, with this Q stuff, we've had this conversation before about like, I mean, I think all of us would agree Q is the

Starting point is 00:55:53 SIOP, right? But in Operation Truth, there was a lot of truth to that. Like, Operation Truth to tole,. That's it was used a long time ago. They had to tell you the truth to bring you, to get all the paranoid people to believe in it. So when you go, and I'm sorry, we already covered this, my apologies, but do you think the nine was real? Or do you think it was a Scyop operation? Well, that's again, again, again, again, again, again, again, the the the the thiiii, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, to get, to get, to get, to get, to get, to get, to get, to get, to get, to get, to get, to get, to get, to get.... to get, to get. to get. to get. to get. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. the. the. they. to. to. to. to. to. they. too. the the too. the too. too. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to you can look at the pros and cons with this. So in the cons side when Puharic was brought back into the security

Starting point is 00:56:27 services in the 50s he was brought into the psychological warfare department of what became the special operations command and this is the whole time frame where basically the military especially was investing a fortune and researching all these different traditions of magical traditions like they're researching witchcraft in the Congo and all this kind of. th th th th th th th th th of th of th of th of th th th th th th thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thi. thi thi. thi. thi. thi. the the the thi. the thi. the security the security the security the security the security the security the security the security the security the security the security. the security. the security. the security the security the security the security the security the security the security the security the security the security the security the security the security the security the the the the their their their their their thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. they. they. It these different traditions, of magical traditions like they're researching witchcraft in the Congo and all this kind of stuff. I mean, literally they're sending anthropologists all over the freaking world to study this kind of stuff and how it can be weaponized and so forth. But on the flip side of the coin, you've got these early Bluebird committees, which became Project Ardichoke and they

Starting point is 00:57:05 had the same committee for them and the people involved with this stuff in the early days were just absolutely nuts. So it's it's connected to a committee that was run by Vannevar Bush and for those of you unaware this was the guy who for years was said to be the big pooh behind Majestic 12 and all this other stuff, of course, more tangible. We have the Smith memo which suggested that Bush was the one who was running the UFO studies in the United States. Currently, with all this going on, he's also in this committee that's connected to all this early research with Blue Bird and Artichoke. One of his proxies was a guy called H. Marshall

Starting point is 00:57:45 Chadwell who was a part of the Robertson panel, which was big with early ephology and developing the narrative for that. But he also was a guy who directed Artichoke at the same time he's doing all this. So you've got all of these people tied in, not just with the early euthology. They're absolutely immersed in all of these behavior modification techniques. the the the the the the theeicicicicicicicicic techniques techniques techniques techniques the the the the 9 but with the early euphology, they're absolutely immersed in all of these you know behavior modification techniques. They developed this thing called the artichoke treatment where essentially you're trying to induce narco hypnosis and a lot of times they would give these people this concoction called smasher I think or slammer and it was LSD mixed with this thing called

Starting point is 00:58:26 I think metatronin or something like that but it was something that essentially induced convulsions and people so my god they're strapping you into a chair they're giving you a heroic dose of LSD with this drug that makes you go into uncontrollable convulsions right oh they're going into you know psych wards prisons P, POW camps. They're doing this to hundreds, probably thousands of people. That's insane dude. Even after it's a lot of evidence coming out that it's not working. So why do they keep doing this crap? And then you start looking at some of the other people that were tied into this committee.

Starting point is 00:59:08 And one of them is a real interesting guy called Cleave Baxter who became really big in New Age circles after he was claimed that he could communicate with plants with a polygraph. There was a really famous book written about that in the 70s called by Christopher O'Bird and I think Peter Tompkinson or something about that in the 70s called by Christopher O'Broird and I think Peter Tompkinson or something like that. But it led into this whole issue where you could communicate, you know, with your house plants and stuff like that with the polygraphs. So Cleaves this really, you know, neat little guy right.

Starting point is 00:59:39 But back in the day, he was the headop off for this whole method of narco hypnosis. So he ends up becoming involved with this group that I told you about before the Sovereign Order of St. John that George Hunt Williamson was a member of that had a lot of these other pooky chanlers like Delmar de Barras. He was another one of those guys who thought that these great advanced civilizations were communicating with him to tell him that the Jews really were evil after all. These are good stuff. So Cleave is involved in this group. He's going around the country. He's meeting with all of these UFO contactees, like Travis Walton and people like that. He's basically filing reports with them and sending them back to

Starting point is 01:00:25 the order, which is just absolutely washed with all of these senior military guys and a general business, Colonel Vat. You've got other people involved with it, like Colonel Philip Corzo, who wrote the day after Roswell, probably the biggest UFO book. So all these guys are there, and some of them like Baxter have these connections to things like artichoke and this is where you start getting into some of the the my lab allegations right of these military induced abductions and all this other kind of stuff. Oh that's crazy so I mean it I mean is there a part of the things that maybe this Arto Choke, Operation Ardichoke,

Starting point is 01:01:09 is like somewhat could have created serial killers? Well, that's what I was kind of hinting at with this stuff with Project Pelican, because remember, you're talking about people who were taken out of military prisons, who already had shown a high degree of the ability to use violence, right? So do these guys really need to be desensitized? But when you get into literature related to things like possession, right? Well, theoretically there's got to be a certain hole in your soul to begin with, to be possessed. So think about that for a minute. You're taking people out of prisons who have already committed heinous acts of violence. You're maybe pumping them through of psychedelics.

Starting point is 01:02:02 Got all these people around here who think that they're communicating with aliens or whatever. So do they start wondering if maybe we can channel something into these people when we're doing these experiments to them? That is, dude, this is where the dark art stuff comes in and this is where I think, again again we've talked about in the last couple shows I don't think the Nazis lost World War II I think they just walked right over here and set up these operations through the CIA right I mean the

Starting point is 01:02:39 Roman Catholic the Roman Empire becomes Catholic Church that British Empire becomes the Bank of England and the Nazis become the CIA and I'm a the CIA and I don't and the the the Nazis the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the C C. the Nazis the C. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I the C. the C. the C. I the Nazis the Nazis. I the Nazis. I the Nazis lost. I've the Nazis lost. I've the Nazis lost. I've the Nazis lost. I've the Nazis lost the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the Nazis. I's the Nazis. I's the C. I's the C. I's the C. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I the C. the C. the C. I the C. I the C. I the C. I the C. I the C. I the C. I the the C. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the British Empire becomes the Bank of England. And the Nazis become the CIA and they've hijacked our military. That is what my belief is for sure. So they're running these psychological operations. Right around when the CIA comes over here, what happens? Now we start seeing all this alien stuff. Now we, like, dude, like, this is like insane to me. So it's like now we start seeing things where, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the C, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the C, and the C, and the C, and the C, and the C, and the C, and the C, and the C, and the C, and the C, and the C, and the C, and the C, the C, the C, you the C, you the C, you the C, you the C, you the C, you the C, you the C, the C, the C, the C, the C.ca, the the the the tha, the the the the the the the Nazis tha, the the the C.a, the C.ca, the C.ca we, like, dude, like, this is like insane to me. So it's like now we start seeing things where we, you know,

Starting point is 01:03:09 you didn't get into it, but I really think it's interesting where you said that does the nine appear in the JFK assassinations? Watergate, you know, all that crazy shit. Like. shit. Like... Well yeah, I mean it's absolutely freaking nuts when you're looking at the prospect of, I mean like with the Watergate stuff too, it's absolutely insane because the guy connected to the 9 with that is James McCord who was most likely a part of all this stuff with Arditchoke when he was in the CIA and the office of security and again he's actually appears to be running or at least connected to a sex ring that was being run the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. thrushe. the pro. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the prospect prospecting prospecting prospecting prospecting prospecting the prospecting the prospecting the prospect. the prospect. the prospect. the pro the pro the pro the pro. the pro the pro the pro. the pro the pro. the pro. the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the is the is the is thee. theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeea. theeeea. theeeeatea. to be running, or at least connected to a

Starting point is 01:03:46 sex ring that was being run out of the Watergate Hotel by this woman named Heidi Rhinken, whose father had literally immigrated from Nazi Germany. She was born in Nazi Germany. She went into the army in 1957, suddenly left after like six months or something in there, became this madam for like these various gangsters throughout the 60s, and then she set up this elaborate caul-ring that was servicing a lot of the politicians tied into the Watergate Hotel. This was really the backdrop, right, of Watergate, which is the things that they really didn't want coming out. Because you had this sex ring. You had it being run by this guy McCord, who was involved with all these people who were running Project Ardichoke.

Starting point is 01:04:38 You got this Heidi Rhinink chick who, again, parents, she was born in Nazi Germany. She became his... You know, again, you got to wonder about this stuff. And, you know, I kind of set out on this research to try to debunk a lot of these conspiracy theories, but you keep encountering this kind of insanity. So, so what you're saying in a weird way, maybe not in a weird way, maybe it is the way, is that the scandal of Watergate as we know it, okay, as we know it, was a smokescreen for something crazier that was going on there that they didn't want you to look at.

Starting point is 01:05:22 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, this is... Go ahead. And that, to me't want you to look at. Yeah absolutely. I mean this is... Go ahead. And that to me fits into the whole PizzaGate scandal right? Like they make you think oh oh dude you know they had kids in a basement and a piece of the kids at a pizza and they do it on a stuff to the the kids that's a pizza place and they don't even have a place man? Man, you're stupid. And it's like no, that's not what it's really about. What's really about is that there's a giant pedophile ring that's blackmailing the entire Washington DC and it's like goes again back to this thing where it's like, oh, you'll accept Jeffrey Epstein, but you won't accept pizza gate, right? Like it's so hilarious to me.

Starting point is 01:06:11 It's so, and like, this may not be your thing, Stephen, but you know, you'll accept the Van Allen bell, but you won't accept affirm it. It's like these things that are that are comfortable for sheep, but not come, but other things aren't.. they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're that. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're these things that are that are comfortable for sheep, but not come but other things aren't even though they're talking about the same thing. But back to this, this is amazing to me and really why this shocks me, Stephen, is because I saw this and I did it on deep conspiracy rewinds on Rockfin is I get into, um, I get into how there's a 60 Minutes article, when 60 Minutes did really good work or what appeared to be good work, about a Boston lawyer who did,

Starting point is 01:06:54 who did deep research into how the Nazis came here, and he totally 100% found out that Richard Nixon was part of a small group that helped bring the Nazis to the United States. And that was right after Tucker Carlson was trying to convince everybody that kind of, you know, Nixon kind of got a bad rap. And I'm like, what? And then this video popped up out of nowhere and I was like, so like when you're talking about like artichoke Nazis all that shit that lines up completely with what you said about Watergate in my eyes I'll do you even one better here getting into it's okay so I've basically covered most of the stuff that is in first book and well there's a lot of other stuff too, psychotronic weapons and what have you, but I'll give you a

Starting point is 01:07:47 bit of a hint where I'm going up with the second one here. This involves a guy called George Adele who was at the center of a lot of scandals in LA around 1950 and most of this concerned the allegations that he had raped his 13-year-old daughter Tamara Hodel who would subsequently to the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the the the but I the the the the the but I the but I'll the. I'll the. I'll the. I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I'll I th. I th. I th. I I I I th. I I I I I I I I I I I th th th th th th th th th. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I th. I the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to. I'll tote. I'll tote. I'll tote. I'll tote. I'll tote. I'll totally totally tm-I'll tm had raped his 13-year-old daughter tomorrow Hodel, who would subsequently go on to become a mentor to Michelle Phillips of the mamas and paupas and to be tied into that whole- Oh my god. But Mr. Hodel also in recent years there's been compelling evidence coming out to indicate that he was involved in the murder of Elizabeth Short, more commonly known as the Black Daya, which is one of the most notorious and ritualistic murders in the history of the 20th century

Starting point is 01:08:37 United States. It seems to have been absolutely steeped in surrealism and all this other, really occultic artwork. The thing about Hodel is that after he was ableism and all this other really occultic artwork. The thing about Hedel is that after he was able to beat this rap of raping his preteen daughter, he left the United States for many years and he ended up in a place that we have been talking about a lot in this podcast and that is the Philippines. Why he was there worked for a couple of government agencies, one of them being the US Information Agency, which is very interesting because the guy I was just

Starting point is 01:09:18 talking about before Edward Lansdale, the guy who like to have people killed and drained of blood and punctual ones of, they thought of vampires, well. Lansdale used the US Information Agency a lot for his operations in the Philippines and later in Vietnam. And beyond that, he had a lot of friends who worked at the US Information Agency in the Philippines for many years. Most notably, the woman that he had a long time affair with and later married, who was an employee of the USIA for several decades, and almost surely would have been working there while George Fidel was doing contract for them.

Starting point is 01:10:00 And if you followed any of the research that his son, Steve Adel, was done on him, there's a good chance that Elizabeth Short was not the only person that George Adel had murdered or been involved in. He might have been involved in the red lipstick murders in Chicago, and possibly also the Zodiac killings later in the 1960s. The bad dude. Bad, bad dude. This is crazy. Wait, so they they think he could have been the Zodiac or responsible for some of those? What are you saying? Well I'm going to get into that but I think that he was probably involved in a network related to the Zodiac killings because again there seems to be a military connection with that. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:10:47 Adele was a big guy in Los Angeles. He essentially seems to be a guy tied in with an abortion ring that was doing abortions for celebrities. Keep in mind, this is like the 1940s, right? So I mean, abortion is a big crime back then. And he's doing this for a lot of prominent people. He was also effectively the venereal czar or something like that. And then he later ended up doing a lot of work for the UN. The venerials are?

Starting point is 01:11:11 Yeah. Because you know, LA needs a venereal disease. Some guys like, I am king of the STDs. Worship me or get clemenia. Take out my army of herpes. I love to see that on a business card. Yeah, hey, I'm in charge of venereal disease. You know, I've asked you what you do at these Hollywood parties? You know, I was like, hey, what do you do?

Starting point is 01:11:31 I had just the VDs. I'm a venerial deser, bro. The military connection from the military bases is that the what are the other military connections there with the zodiac I mean I know that one of the connections that they thought that most they you know there's that connection between the books all about you know the killing and you know if people and like binding people up and stuff were taken out of apparently libraries on military bases I know that's one of the connections. What are some of the others? I'm curious. Oh I know another one was the shoes. There was Oh right the boots. Yeah, it looked like they were at least military surplus boots.

Starting point is 01:12:13 Several the killings took place near military bases. So there were definitely and then it just in general the precision of it as well. But I mean this is like where it gets really nutty because on top of th th th th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theyoosososososososu.oosu.oosu.oosu.oososu.oosu.oosososu.ooshoooshoooshoesesesesesu.ooshoeses.oes.oes.e. the the the the the the precision of it as well. But I mean this is like where it gets really nutty because on top of that the Zodiac, the crime has really eerie similarities to the phantom killer I think is what it was called the moonlight murderer, you know the one that they depicted in the town that dreaded sundown. So which incidentally also these killings happened in 1946 which was like the year before the Black Dahlia murder. But. But. But. But. But, but, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac zodiac, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the zodia the zodiacs. Soodiacs. Soad. Soodiac. Soodiac. Soodiac. So. So, th. So, thi thi thi thi. Soo thi thi the. Sooda. Sooday's the. Sooda. Soo the. So, thi. So, incidentally also these killings happened in 1946, which was like the year before the Black Dahlia murder. But again, I don't know if there was any direct connections of that or not, but it seems clear that whoever was doing the Zodiac had deliberately modeled them partly on the moonlight

Starting point is 01:12:59 murders because it's basically the same scenario in the early killings that were attributed to the Zodiac where you've got a guy going into the same scenario in the early killings that were attributed to the Zodiac, where you've got a guy going into the lover's lanes, finding these isolated couples, he's wearing a mask. In the case of the moonlight murder, it was like a white hood. The Zodiac, of course, later did the blackhood and the whole, you know, super villain, you know, costume thing or whatever the hell you want to call that. So, so that, so that, that, that, that, that, thi, thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the the the the the the thi, the thin, thin, the thin, the thin, thi. the to to the toee the thi. thi. the thi. the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the hell you want to call that. So it's definitely interesting because in a lot of these cases, to me the almost the most fascinating thing about this is the interaction that these serial murders had with the media and how they're essentially trying to construct a character to attribute these

Starting point is 01:13:40 crimes to, which is a tradition that goes back really to Jack the Ripper himself, something that seems to keep occurring over and over again with these really high-profile serial killings. You think, now is your suggestion that they are intentionally misleading, they kind of create that persona to take on the, you know, they'll take the heat and then, and then maybe it's a group possibly that's doing the killings? Yeah, I mean, something to that effect, but I mean, I also wonder to some extent if you're also most treating like a Grigor or something like that.

Starting point is 01:14:14 Because I mean, a lot of these guys are very much steeped in magic, right? So you have these killers that are, you know, in the case, in the case, in the case, in the case, the case, the case, the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to, to, to, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, their, something, their, something, their, something, their, their, something, their, so.... So, something, so. So, I. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their.the black dialia vinger letters, with Jack the Ripper, with Zodiac, you know, they're basically creating these elaborate mythos around themselves and subsequently they've all become pop culture staples, right? And I mean, that in the the tel. It kind of goes back to the very basis of abracadabra. As I speak, I create. You the the same. You you you you you you to the very basis of abracadabra. As I speak, I create. Yeah, when you know that. As they kill, they create.

Starting point is 01:14:50 Yeah, you're right. And you hear that about the people that worked those cases and the people that were involved in investigating it, you know, outside of the justice system, they all seem obsessed with, you know, it's something that, you know something that you know lived with them the rest of their lives As though it had some kind of supernatural You know attract no, but you're totally yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, I mean, I get that you always hear that haunt me every I think about it every day especially yeah, and in this case I mean this case. I mean this case I mean they haunted entire ent entire communities. Yeah, they had this. And this case. th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I tho they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they had they had they had they had they had they had they they they had they they they they they they they they they they they they they had they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they thu ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hau hau thu thou that, that, that, their their Yeah, they had didn't they have did they have curfews during yeah. Imagine that a curfew because a guy was just killing people. Or I mean the son of Sam.

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Starting point is 01:16:51 It's ugly, like it's comics, like outside of Matt Rife, every single comic that was like, oh, dude, he's, he's such a hot comic. Like, no, he's good looking for a comedian. But he was charming, that's not that good looking. He's, he. He's, he. He's like, he. He's like, he. He's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's good. th. He's good, he's good. that's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's good. that's, he's, he's good. that's good. that's good. that's good. that's good. that's good. that's good. that's good. that's good. that's good. that's good. He's good. He's good, he's good, he's like, he's like, he's good, he's good, he's good, he's good, he's good, he's good, he's good looking for a comedian, but he was charming though Ted Bunny that's not that good looking that's not like he's just not like a quasi modo that most of these guys are Yeah, you're right, you're right, no you're right. Right, he's like it's like they say he was like the magnetism. Yeah, well, I mean like it's something that in comedy and entertainment I call the Elvis factor. I mean th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. he. he. he. he. he. he. he's like. he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, that's like, that's like, that's like, that's like, that's like, that's like, that's like, that's like, that's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, that's like, that's like, that's like, that's like, that's not like, that's like, that's like, that's like, that's like, that's like, that's like, like, like, like, like, like, that in comedy and entertainment called the Elvis factor? I mean that top right photo is kind of. And you can just get into like numerology of when you're born and all that stuff and whether you believe in that I do but. You do. Yeah, I do.

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Starting point is 01:17:55 Yeah, they just don't think Trump can teach that to something. No, you can't. It's like, you can't teach fun, like it's very weird standups where there is like you can't teach funny. Well, I mean, if you learn the right kind of paradigms, you could say, oh, black people walk like this, white people walk like that, and you'll get a certain part of the segment, orthen you become an actor on stage. Yeah, yeah, so you can in that sense, but it's like you can't teach charisma. You can't teach it. It's just you have it or not. Like, I guess women can do that with makeup where it's like, you know, because like the whole thing is that fallen angels taught women makeup and it's like, it's all that. that a real thing. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they. th. they. they. they. th. they. th. th. the. the, the, the, the, the, the, they, you they. they. they. they. their, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. the. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. you you can't, you you can't, that dark art. Is that a real thing? Yeah, they came down and taught them secrets that they shouldn't have

Starting point is 01:18:47 known. Which was makeup, which was makeup. One of it was makeup. And like the voodoo of makeup. Like when Jordan Peter's like, well if you're so worried about sexual harassment, maybe we should get rid of makeup in the work place and women freaked out. the threat. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I that, th. I that, th. I th. I th. I that, I that, I th. I th. I th. I th. I that part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part part, but I I I I that, but I th. But, but I th. But, th. But, I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I didn't th. I didn't th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I didn't th. I didn't that. I didn't that. I that. I th. and women freaked out. But he was totally right because like the painting of your face is to give the illusion of you just got done having sex. Yeah, the flush cheeks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's all psychological. But going back to this whole thing, it's like the smiley face killers, they make you want to think it's one person, but there's also believe that it might be a bunch of people.

Starting point is 01:19:26 Do you think they could be part of some project Artichoke, Project MK Ultra? 100% or just some dark arts thing, man. But like this project artichoke to me is like, like that hits a nail on like the creation of these almost like in everything else controlled opposition, agent provocateurs, all this stuff that caused chaos because you know when everyone gets into Israel versus Palestine you see all these people in the truth community totally throwing out all their expertise that they've applied to every other high impact event happening and they just go emotionally and head first into this conflict and forgetting everything that they've been

Starting point is 01:20:10 preaching about for years if not decades and you know and it's just like if you know the playbook which is create the problem offer the solution so you know it's like why law enforcement enforcement don't want drugs to be illegal. I mean, because a big part of their budget is going to fighting illegal. If the drugs are all illegal, what do we got now? So, they want to keep it illegal. Well, you know, if you're law enforcement and you, you want to, like, I, you know, when we did an episode on Broward Company, right, all the sci-fs that have come out of there, one of the biggest one was Adam, who disappeared, what's the kids name, Adam, his dad,

Starting point is 01:20:58 well, Adam Walsh. But you know what Adam Walsh did? It, like, it stopped children from playing outside. My kids don't, I mean they're only three so they wouldn't do that, but they don't play outside. The part you don't hear about as much too is not only did the police want that, the illicit drug dealers don't want it being legalized either. Yeah, 100%. I mean, they were, that was a bargain that they both had and they kind of they worked They had their own code that agreed between them and they wanted to continue that way forever

Starting point is 01:21:28 The only thing that saved weed dealers is the tax on weed that nobody wants to go to the to the weed shop they'd rather go back to their old drug dealer Mm-hmm. Does Charles Manson fit anywhere here? One 100 100? Like like like like? Yeah, like? Yeah, like? Yeah, like? Yeah, like? Yeah, like, like, like, like, like, like, like? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah? Yeah, yeah? Yeah, yeah? Yeah, yeah? Yeah, yeah? Yeah, yeah? Yeah, yeah? Yeah, yeah? Yeah? Yeah, yeah? Yeah, yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I. Yeah, I. Yeah, I. Yeah, I. Yeah, I. Yeah, I. Yeah, I. Yeah, I's. Yeah, the. Yeah, the. Yeah, the. Yeah, the. Yeah, the. Yeah, the. Yeah, the. Yeah, the. Yeah, the. Yeah, the. Yeah, the. Yeah, the. Yeah, the. Yeah, the. Yeah, the cartel don't want. I mean, that's for sure. Does Charles Manson fit anywhere here? 100%? Yeah, but like, which was he part, was he artichoke? Was he before? Was he the M.K?

Starting point is 01:21:53 like, because I mean, he seems like he was artichoke. Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, it's not like the simplest thing to like break down here with the time that we've got left, but kind of getting back to what I was saying, you have to like really look at these circles around Michelle Phillips and some of the other people that were tied into that sort of Hollywood scene. So she's dating Jack Nicholson, right? So this starts bringing in all the stuff with the Polanskies with all these other people. But on top of that the thoultr-tuck thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu thu, thu, thu, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, like, like, like, like, thi, thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. thi, th. thi, th. th. I I, th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, thi, thi, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tooooooooooooooo. toeea. too. thi. thi. thi. thitop of that, the guy who really launched the career for a lot of the counterculture figures in Hollywood, like Nicholson and Peter Fonda and all this was this producer called Bert Snyder. He's the guy who produced Easy Rider. He was the guy who set up BBS production, which is also were like five easy pieces.

Starting point is 01:22:41 And more or less this is the beginning of like indie filmmaking in the United States as we know it okay so Bert does this and he's also really big in activism he basically was funding the Black Panthers heavily by the early 1970s and on top of that he was also Huey Newton's good friend and potentially lover as well and he was also massively funding the hippies all these other groups. See here's where this gets like really interesting because he's in all these circles around Manson. His longtime girlfriend, Candace Bergen had actually been dating Terry Moultzer I think at the time of the

Starting point is 01:23:23 Manson Killings. So all of these circles interact with that. A guy like Bert Snyder, he gets approached by Mr. Daniel Ellsberg, the famous whistleblower, right, who just recently died. Okay, so Ellsberg was in Vietnam, and who did he serve under Edward Lansdale, a guy who had been talking about all this. And who did he serve under when he was in Vietnam? Served under Edward Lansdale. Guy we've been talking about all this. And he was a really good friend of Edward Lansdale. In fact, when Max Booth interviewed Ellsberg about Lansdale in 2018, he said he loved Lansdale. He was in the cult of Edward Lansdale, literally referred to it as a cult.

Starting point is 01:24:03 So here's a guy who's so closely connected to Lansdale who befriends this big Hollywood producer who's funding all of these left-wing groups and this kind of thing and the more that I've been digging into that I have to feel that the Manson stuff was also part of this whole milieu that was unfolding in LA and I mean again I I could agree more. I mean it also that tho that that th th th th th th th th th th tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho-I tho-I to to tho to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. thean the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the toldlance. to to to this whole milieu that was unfolding in LA. And I mean, again, this also is. I mean, it also, I think, goes back even with George Adele, because you got to remember tomorrow, Hodel, his daughter, was a mentor to Michelle Phillips.

Starting point is 01:24:36 I mean, she was kind of tied in to all these circles. And then you have a guy like Jack Nicholson, who is dating Angelica Houston for a lot of years. Her father, John Houston, the director, was a really good friend of George Adel. They had actually known each other, I think, since like college years or something like that. And apparently, some of the stuff in Chinatown was actually based on things that Tamar had told Michelle Phillips, who in turn told them to Jack Nicholson when they were dating, right? So I've always found it interesting that this was the specific circle that Manson, you

Starting point is 01:25:14 know, went after, especially when you get into all these rumors around the Planskis, essentially that they were filming these really violent pornos, that maybe you had some of these celebrities that were involved. And I mean, this has always been one of the sort of dark rumblings around Hollywood for years that porn has been used as a major form of black male and control for various celebrities. And again, when you start looking at Hedell and some of the Hollywood circles around him, you just keep coming back to that. I mean, Stanley Kubrick, a guy who is also connected to all of this, he wanted to do a big

Starting point is 01:25:54 budget porno movie throughout the 1960s. Terry Southern Raider wrote a screen that's called Blue Movie, but I think Kubrick, as with a lot of this other stuff, was really interested in shining a light on some of these more nefarious dealings. And I mean, he would know, you know, he did Lolita, the lady who starred in the lead as the title character Sue Loin, she was actually raped by James B. Harris during this production. Oh my goodness. Philips alleged that when she was 14 years old. Okay.

Starting point is 01:26:29 Harris was Tubric's production partner. He dissolved the partnership right after they did Lelita. They had signed Sue Loin to this like nine-pictured deal or something like that. It ended up going to seven artist production, which Harris was working with, and seven artists is run by this guy named Ray Stark, who also, I mean, he was the agent for Ben Hesh, who was a guy that George Adel absolutely idolized. And on top of that, like the next movie that they send this poor grill to is the night of the iguana, that John Houston directed. So, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I mean, I mean, I mean, th. thi, th. the, the, the, th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to is the night of the iguana that John Houston directed. So I mean you just have like this whole insane thing around Alita alone with the star

Starting point is 01:27:13 is raped. It's even rumored, you know, in the gossip columns at the time that Harris is sexually engaged with this 16-year-old girl when he's like in his mid-30s. Nobody says anything about this 16-year-old girl when he's like in his mid-30s. Nobody says anything about this. And this went on for several months and there were indications that Peter Sellers might even have been involved in this insanity too. So I mean, this stuff was, you know,

Starting point is 01:27:35 I mean, it's not even like that hidden. And this is the whole thing. It's just so crazy, because if you don't study it, you don't see it. And you just think this is a natural progression of human culture. That's what you think. But what you don't understand is there's this hidden hand trying to get people to act in ways that they can point to and go, look at this crazy unsafe person. You need us to help you with that. It's nuts. It's all nuts right now. It is all nuts

Starting point is 01:28:09 It's all nuts. I can't believe it's like it just shocks me. It just really shocks me. So I know we don't have you for much longer. I want to go you brought up something earlier that I don't really what were some are you brought up water gate. Do you have anything about the nine in the JFK assassination oh yeah yes so in that case you had the Oswald's living with Ruth Forbes pain and Michael Payne and Michael Payne and Michael Payne was the son if I correctly, of one of the people who was involved in the channeling of the nine. And then his stepfather was Arthur Young, who was another guy deeply involved in the channeling of the nine and who had worked with Pugharriot closely for quite a few years. And then on top of that, too, the Riley Coffee Company that Oswald worked with, the work for in the long up to the assassination, the guy who owned that actually had some connections

Starting point is 01:29:13 to Morris Allen, who was the people who channeled the nine. You have him working for a company tied into Ardichov, which Puharic was actively engaged in. And again, it shows up. And like that, the psychological implications of the JFK assassination, which is like what, and some anniversaries coming up right now, unbelievable, dude. Well, those are like, I mean, when you look at it, the JFK and Watergate, I mean, those are really the two pivotal events, right?

Starting point is 01:29:55 Because, I mean, look at what they did at the perception of the American government. I mean, up to that point, you know, we pretty much universally trusted our government and believed in it. And just the shock of those two events permanently changed the society on so many levels. Well, I agree, and that is the George Bush death cult that steps in and takes over the US government. With the help of these Nazi fucks, which George Bush's dad funded in the... Dude, it's all dark arts. It's all dark arts. That's what people don't understand. It's all dark.

Starting point is 01:30:30 None of this is natural. None of this is just happening by chance. It is all done by an invisible hand of dark arts, and it's just ridiculous. I mean, it's just crazy, dude. And like, why wouldn't serial killers be any different? What I can't wait is none of that can't wait, but I can't. Episode 1000 of Tinfel, we find out that they were using Project Something for these mass shooters. Oh, dude.

Starting point is 01:30:57 And it's just a matter of like, I want to know what the project is. It's not going to be Project, Artichoke. It's going to be for the th, it's going to be for th. It's going to be for th. It's going to be th. It's th. It's going th. It's to be th. It's going thu. It's going their, it's going thi, it's thus. It's thus. It's thi, it's thus. their, their, their, and it's their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, a the is. It's not going to be Project MK Ultra. It's not going to be Project Artichoke. It's going to be a new name. And they use, they use social media somehow. And I'm just like, they're doing it right now. If they did it before, they're doing it now. If they're finding it the way. The true be told be told me. carried out by these private military companies. I mean, I think it was like Eric Prince more or less got like Dewey, oh God, the CIA station chief in Turkey and Italy during the years of lead.

Starting point is 01:31:32 I can't remember his name now, but he basically was the guy who managed the CIA's like unofficial death squad for a couple of decades and then it was basically turned over to Eric Prince, I think around like 2004 2005. Oh God Eric Prince. That's the name we haven't heard for a while which makes me very fucking nervous that we haven't heard from him and all of his shady shit what he's up to. But I mean when you look to a group like Dine Corps where it's like you know on top of everything else that they're engaged in, they're also heavily implicated in trafficking, human trafficking, sex slaves, all this stuff in the Balkans, during the cause of O conflict. So, I mean, you know, this is 20 years ago. I mean, God only knows what some of these companies have gotten up to in the in tu. And it's not th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the tha. tha. tha. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tri. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. t gotten up to in the intern and it's not even a freedom of information act in this case. It's so crazy dude. It's so it's just like I do it I honestly believe if none of this if there wasn't this small broken dangerous nasty dark arts worshipping occult, sorcerers who run the world,

Starting point is 01:32:48 we wouldn't be going, we would have so less chaos in our life. I mean, they have every moment of our data, down to the T, they know if they do this, this will happen, if they do that, that will happen, and they just keep inflicting chaos. And it's just like, just sad dude I'm just sad dude sad times it's crazy you got me thinking how they have everything to like oh if we tell them that we bombed the hospital in Gaza this is how they're gonna react and then they do and I look perfect it worked exactly how AI told us Johnny did say it man he's like I'm you know you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you th they th they th th they they they they they th they th they they th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th they they they they they they they they they they they they they'll just just just just just just just just just just just just just just the the the to to to to the to to the to the the the the the the the the the the thi thi thi they they do it like look perfect it worked exactly how AI told us. Johnny did say it man he's like I'm you know keeping himself out of this and it's just it's so easy easy to be led around by your nose right now you know

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Starting point is 01:34:26 That's how we do it. And I'm sorry this might upset people, but I believe Israel's the 51st state. It's not another country. It's the 51st state. And they just want to. Do you mean that literally? I really honestly do believe that. I mean, it's called the state of Israel because it's a nation state, it's, you, thia, thia, thia, thia, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, thi, thi, the, thi, thi, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, I, I, I, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi, the the the thi, the thi, they, thi, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi,'s called the state of Israel because it's a nation state, you know, it's like it's a ethnic, like, you know, a group identity of, you know, the Israelis. Right.

Starting point is 01:34:50 I hear that. I think it's the 51st state. I mean, I mean, that would have to be, our government works on the principle that, you know, we have these, okay Johnny. I just know I'm sorry. What are you basing that? I mean, we're literally feel like that or you heard that? No, I'm basing that off on my instincts. Okay, so. Well, I mean, it's not real. Well, no, I mean, I thought you maybe it's somebody had that had found some papers or something, but I mean, they wouldn't just think that. They wouldn't just they. They wouldn't react they wouldn't react they they they they they they they to react. It to react. It to react. It to react. It wouldn't react. It wouldn't react. It to react. It to react. to react. to react. to react. to react. to react. to react to react to to to to to react to react to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to that. that. to that. that. to that. that. to that. that. that. that. that. to that. that. to to to that. the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their th. their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. they. they. they. their. their. I. the their th. I. I. I'm just telling you, dude. It's so much like, it is so much like Alaska to me and the geopolitical position. What about Taiwan? That is, that is maybe, but the geopolitical position of Alaska to Russia, I can see the Russia from my house, right?

Starting point is 01:35:42 The good old days. And that what Israel is, is the same thing. Maybe Taiwan is that as well. I don't know. I think they would give away Alaska before they would give away Israel. But I'm not, 100%. Fuc, that'd be crazy. I think it's easier, Sam, that it's not a state. If it was a state, it would have to be a buckboard. But I'm saying, is it literally?

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Starting point is 01:37:01 for this presentation, which is the art, the secret history of cywar conspiratement, and the shattering of reality. And you also there find a lot of stuff on the origins of this predictive modeling with data mining that Sam's been talking about, which actually also goes back to Edward Lansdale, like many other of the great evils that we are confronted with in the 21st century. And I was frankly shocked to find that out as well. But no, the figure within ARPA who was directing the use of the early internet encounter insurgency was actually reporting to Edward Lansdale throughout this whole time frame and not anybody in ARPA. So besides trying to convince Filipino villagers that they are being assaulted by vampires,

Starting point is 01:37:45 he was also the visionary behind using computers for data mining and counterinsurgency. So there you go, Ed, you were all over the place. Well, we always love talking to you. You crushed it, even when you allowed us to go on our weird tangents. It was still a great, great episode. As always with you. So thankful you, come on. Guys again, check out my Indy Gogo for the new comic book, the Chaos Twins. Okay, we're very excited about that. We get enough people, we're going to start printing the first issues and

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Starting point is 01:39:25 I just like, I question any of that, dude. I know but how many of those people are are out there talking about it, you know what I mean? It's just something you kind of just. I just don't buy that at all. I know plenty of people. Like, most of the people I know back home. I just like my friends from high school that aren't that political and don't are informed I just think I'm not voting for Trump.

Starting point is 01:39:47 And then I go maybe we deserve World War III. Maybe we deserve our empire to crumble because we are such an une. Not that Trump is the answer, but it's not Biden. Nothing good has happened. And if you did, and it's like my problem when the Republicans voted Bush after he lied us into Iraq. It's crazy. It's like you get what you deserve and I 100% believe that you know what we've done to the Middle East is maybe why all this chaos is going on in this country. It is a spiritual blowback for a genocide of an area. Spiritual blowback, that's funny. That's a good good, that's a good way to put that.

Starting point is 01:40:27 That's 100% right. That's my opinion. I wanted to, uh, Pierce Morgan had this guy on the other day called Bassam Yousif. And this guy Bassam Yousiff just kind of destroyed Pierce Morgan. Oh, Johnny, it was the best thing. It is what comedy is meant to be. Yeah, it was some of the best comedy in the form of satire I've seen in a long time.

Starting point is 01:40:54 It's what the Daily Show used to do before it completely sold its soul. And you see John Stewart lost his show? Did he? Well, they say he quit, but the writing was on the wall. There was hardly any good writing on that show. But I, to be serious, Bessom about this, tonight, there is... I would be serious. I was watching your interview with Ben Shapiro, and I'll tell you one thing. Yeah. I think that Ben Shapiro is one of the smartest people who ever walked this earth. He's very, very smart. I follow him and I believe everything he said. And when he came out on your show, his solution was, and I quote, his solution was, that the solution for this is for Israel to annex Gaza and to kill as many son of bitches as possible to make sure that this will never happen again. And anyone, anyone who called for a

Starting point is 01:41:42 ceasefire will be a terrorist sympathizer. So God forbid, I don't want to be labeled as a terrorist sympathizer. So I agree with Ben Shapiro. I think we should kill as many son of bitches as possible. So far, so far, 3,500 people were killed, including 5,000 son of bitches in the bombing of the Baptist hospital as we speak right now, one-third of those three thousand five hundred were children. So my question to Ben Shapiro is, how many more son of bitches do we need to kill so Ben

Starting point is 01:42:15 Shapiro is happy? Because it changes from one year. It changes from what? I'm sorry, please, this is it. I'm really at a disadvantage here. I'm looking at a camera. I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't the camera I don't I don't the camera I don't the camera. I don't the camera. I don't the camera. I don't the camera. I don't the the the the the th. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, that, please, this is it. I'm really at a disadvantage here. I'm looking at a camera, I don't see you, I can hear you on my ear. The reason I'm interrupting is I think it might be, I think you're conflating different interviews with Ben Shapiro.

Starting point is 01:42:32 He didn't use the phrase, sons of bitches with me. Let me play to you what he actually said on my... He did. He did. He did. He did. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. th. te. te.. te... te.. te. te.. te. th. the. the. I. I is. I. I., but let me play what he said to me, here. Well, frankly, I don't believe in proportional response to terrorism. I believe that the way that you stop terrorism. Have you noticed that Ben Shapiro has disappeared in the car, like he's not popping off right now because he has done more damage than good, and they've told him shut the fuck up. You think so? Oh, dude, he was making dumb comment, posting dumb shit after the... And now you don't see... his own people are like, bro, you are going way too hard.

Starting point is 01:43:12 And like, this guy is the epitome of internet trolls. Little, tiny, weak bitches, okay? Who act tough and won't fight the fight that he's begging for right now. Yeah, yeah, I mean you say that, but calling him a troll is really misrepresents what he is kind of because I mean this is a thought leader. I mean there are a lot of people who line up behind this guy. No, what do you. He is a puppet. He's a controlled opposition guy.

Starting point is 01:43:42 It is amazing though how many people like support, you know, and kind of tow the line with him, you know, this kind of line up behind him, brother. It's with wildly disproportionate response. That doesn't mean in terms of targeting civilians means in terms of killing as many terrorists as human possible and allowing them to to dictate the terms of engagement by means that the only option for Israel is to surrender to Hamas's hatred of its own citizens. It's willingness to use its own children as human shields. It's so funny because history will look so nasty on Ben Shapiro's talking right now because what he's talking about, the narrative is already dying on that. It's already dying.

Starting point is 01:44:22 Now, not everyone's going to buy into it because you have these insane human beings who like are so like, this is Ben Shapiro's mask-off moment and maybe he's always been this guy, but all the credit he earned, okay, for, for, for being anti-woke is has all just evaporated. It's gone even Matt Walsh is asking questions and he's like as Christian as you get And he's like how come nobody's trying to pump the brakes on World War three and how come nobody's talking about any I mean Matt Walsh is and we've had we've discussed our opinions on Matt. We don't always agree with him and cann as Parker same thing and can as Parker can his owns can his owns yeah is way I mean like I'd love to know

Starting point is 01:45:11 a can't spark I don't necessarily agree with her on everything but man when I agree with her on most of it and Yeah, really articulate. She's bad and like 70% for me. No she's been 80 for me she got two things wrong for me, but that's fine and like I don't agree with anybody I don't like her approach sometimes. She's a little. No, I didn't like how she handed the crowder situation. That was wrong. I'm like getting impersonal like talk about as divorce. I feel like you don't need to do that because nobody's perfect. And I just I disagree with her. I'm making of a murder. But that's thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I th. thi. th. th. th. th. th. thi. I thi. thi. th. th. I don't like, I don't like, I don't like, I'm th. I don't like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi. I thi. I don't like, I don't like, I don't like, I don't like, I don't th. I don't like, I don't like, I don't like, I don't like, I don't like, I don't like, I don't like, I don't like, I don't like, I making of a murder. But that's fine. I mean, those aren't really the worst things ever. But even she's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, everybody's anti-somatic now for not wanting World War III. She's 100% saying that and I totally agree with her. And I think he's just losing it and he lost all credibility and he's such a tiny, tiny man. He's a tiny, tiny man. He sounds like

Starting point is 01:46:06 he has the balls of a teenager like that haven't even dropped. What do you mean? He talks mad smack and he's still not in Israel fighting yet. When Ben Shapiro and his entire family including his children and I don't like bringing children but he wants you to, see's a problem John do more here that's what he thinks yeah that's exactly what's gonna say but that doesn't mean anything to me because you need to show us what how much you're willing to die here is the head of Israeli propaganda 100% and I hate bringing people's kids in and I don't want anything bad to happen to anybody's kids but if you're willing to send everybody's children to die for this cause, your family first. That's my opinion. Your family first. Then that country works.

Starting point is 01:46:52 You know, so that's my opinion. I just want to get salt could ever do that. Now that is significantly, substantively different to what you said he said, right? But but I agree with him. I agree I agree with him. I agree I agree with him. The thing is the question is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is what is the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their family is their family is their family is their family. their family. their family. their family. their family. their family. their family. their family. their family. their family. their family. their. their. their. their. their. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. talking there specifically about the mass terrorists. I agree with him. I agree with him. The thing is, the question is, what is a proportionate response? Because it has been different from one tier to another. So if you look to this graph, for example, this is the death of Israeli and Palestinians. And it's changing from one year to year. It's fluctuating like cryptal. is today what is the going rate today for human lives. I mean 2014 was a great year for Ben Shapiro. 88 Israelis were died and there was 2,329 Palestinians

Starting point is 01:47:30 killed on the other side. That is one Israeli for 27 Palestinian. That is a very good exchange rate. What I'm saying is what is the exchange rate today? Hey guys real quick I want to tell you about a couple things you can find on the website Sam Tripoli.com. It's everything you need. Audio, video, all there of all my podcast across the board. You can also get my dates there. You can also get t-shirts there. We are adding t-shirts all the time.

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