Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #727: PATCON And Ruby Ridge With Austin Picard

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Starting point is 00:03:31 How are you, brother? Good Sam, I appreciate you having me on, brother. Now, Austin, for those who may not be in our Instagram circle, okay, and they may not be familiar with you. Can tell us a little bit thi the thi thi thi thi thi tho tho th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, that, thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to th. th. th. th. their, their, th. their, their, their, their, we are their, we are their, we are, we are, we are, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. toe. too. too. tooo. tooo. too. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. toe. th. th. th. the th. be familiar with you. Can you tell us a little bit about yourself and where our listeners can find you? Yeah, basically I'm just entirely disillusioned by the process, the political process. I don't play the partisan game. I'm 100% unplugged. And I basically just wanted to start a podcast where I could redirect the knowledge that I've acquired over time and try and remain as objective as I can, but also try to maybe present an introductory,

Starting point is 00:04:15 just an introductory perspective to a different perspective, not all in our alternative perspective, right, on basically everything is a psych-op, right? Not all in our alternative perspective right on Basically Everything is a sci-op right everything is the psychological operation We're all just Being misled by propaganda. It's all Edward Bernays. It's all you know, so I created a podcast called the underclass and it's pretty much The entire theme is I'm anti-war to the core, I say principally, but I am on the war path against the state. I absolutely am philosophically opposed to the state in almost every way.

Starting point is 00:04:56 I think that it's the only way you can truly consolidate power to such a degree and compartmentalize legislative decisions to commit insane tragic war crimes. So I've just been entirely inspired by the anti-war principle that I have to abide by and all that my hope is is that I can introduce other people who are completely just taken hostage by the political divide in our country and just globally, truly, because it's cultural Marxism man, you know, and it's seated even in the conservative aisle, right? And so I'm only like attempting to wake people up and shake them out of such a ridiculous worldview, right? All you have to do is I'm not telling you what to think and believe.

Starting point is 00:05:53 That's not what I'm attempting to do with each episode. All that I'm trying to do is trigger something in your mind to where you'll remember the next time, right? And so whenever the next fog of war is layered around us, and we're trying to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to where you'll remember the next time, right? And so whenever the next fog of war is layered around us and we're trying to be, you know, and they're trying to basically march us into war, right? And that's what they do at all times. And we just witnessed it with Ukraine. I mean, what was the first thing that and I mean, I just covered this in my anthrax episode about when Trump was trying to leave Syria, and you have like members of, and again, this isn't like me defending Trump.

Starting point is 00:06:36 Not that I should have to disclose that, but it seems like I have to all the time. And when he tried to leave Syria, everyone was up in arms. The military industrial complex was utilizing the media to basically spin war propaganda and claim that we're abandoning the Kurds, the Kurdish forces in the region, right, that were basically self-interested in a lying with us against ISIS at the time in areas of Syria and Iraq. And basically, when he had attempted to withdraw troops, one, we even have like members of his administration who were in the Pentagon at the time, legitimately bragging that they

Starting point is 00:07:20 lied to him and misled him on the amount of troops that were in the area, you know, and they, 100% even Mattis, right? Maddox Mattis, who was initially Trump's, forget, he was in the Pentagon, right, running the Pentagon for Trump, right? I forget what exactly his position was, but either way, he was the guy who was running, Trump was, he was running on withdrawing from Syria, right? And so then you appoint a guy who says he's gonna quit instead of follow through with your demand to withdraw troops from Syria, which you had promised during your campaign. And so for me, that's just outrageous. But beyond that, you have the mainstream media,

Starting point is 00:08:11 and it was the leftist liberals at this point, as MSNBC who ran this, they legitimately showed video of what they claimed was a war zone in Syria, where the Kurds were being destroyed. There's like smoldering, you know, smoke in the horizon. And it was actually a gun range in Kentucky from a gun range night shoot. Yeah, right? I remember that. And I mean...

Starting point is 00:08:36 Now, do you think they do that? Do you think that is done purposefully or on accident? This is a discussion I had with Rogan one day. And it was basically how I was explained to my view, my view of nonlinear warfare. And, you know, we didn't quite agree on it, which is fine, but, you know, I went back to the Parkland shooting, right, where ABC airs one of the teachers, and the teacher says they're on ABC, makes it to the final product

Starting point is 00:09:15 that's aired to the nation, that she saw a police officer in all basically body armor, shooting people with a weird gun. And then a, and then a video comes out showing four guys running from behind the school, throwing a big bag into a truck and the truck drives off, which is to me very weird. You know, so you go, you know, I've worked very limited in television, but I've worked with producers before, executive producers, and I know every moment of everything is scrutinized,

Starting point is 00:09:59 that nothing that makes to the final product isn't approved. Literally every millisecond is approved. So how does that makes to the final product isn't approved. Literally every millisecond is approved. So how does that make it to the to the light of day? How does that end up being there and then nobody talking about that moment? 100% it you know what's crazy is that in Ruby Ridge as well we'll get into it when Geraldo Rivera and they supposedly this helicopter flies over the property. And this is right after the ATF had rigged the entire woods around the property with mass surveillance, right? It's the craziest story. And and Geraldo Rivera and this helicopter pilot they fly over the property and then Geraldo tips off the FBI directly and tells him that they

Starting point is 00:10:53 were fired upon right and the helicopter pilot himself claims that that never happened it was a total lie right Harald a sketchy man. Hold on so you're saying that that that never happened. It was a total lie. All that. Hold on so you're saying that that Haraldo lied or that? Are you sure? I mean, of course. Yeah, I think his role was, well, it's, it could have been, I kind of think that two options are on the table, which were either just completely self-interested sociopath who wants to drive ratings, who wants more media coverage, and wants, oh my god, this helicopter's been fired upon, and so, you know, therefore, it's, these people are clearly out of their minds. They're insane, they're shoot, first, ask questions later type of scenario. And I believe that was the major role for him're insane. They're shoot first asked questions later type of scenario.

Starting point is 00:11:45 And I believe that was the major role for him to play was that they needed a media pretext, right? They needed something that would allow the public to justify the actions of the ATF that were about. Oh, okay. So now I got what you're saying. I misunderstood it. He's saying that the people at Ruby Ridge shot at him. Yeah. I thought maybe we had talked about the FBI. Okay. So yeah, that's that's absolutely insane. Now, the crazy is Haraldo Rivera fact is that he is the guy that basically showed the world the Zabruder film. Yeah, and like up until somebody just told me. I didn't know that. I don't. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. we th. we wea. we we we wee. wee. wee. wee. I wee. I wee. I wee. I wea. I wea. we wea. we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we th. I talk. I talk. I talk. I talked. I talked. I talked talked. I talked. I talked we have talked we have we have we have talked. I we have we have we have we have we have we have the guy that basically showed the world the Pruder film. And like up until somebody just told me, I didn't know that. I don't even know. You don't remember that with him and Dick Gregory?

Starting point is 00:12:31 It was Dick Gregory. It was that it's the weirdest back and to the last. The whole thing is weird. And what role does Dick Gregory have in the cultural Marxism movement of all, I mean like, it's crazy to me. So you've done some weird stuff though. He's not, other than that too, he's just really, he seems to be and mesh somehow with the the neo-cons and the right wing, you know, in the military industrial complex. He's got, he's got deep contacts there.

Starting point is 00:13:02 He always has. He would always come out with these stories that favored them very strange I agree don't trust yeah it's a it's a weird situation but 100% I believe the media and it's key elements in the media right I don't think like every person at each of these media agencies are are actually like it, they have to be key operatives that have been seated into the media, right? And I believe that's basically how they control the narrative most of the time. And I think like through Operation Mockingbird, like that's been proven, right, that they 100% had like institutionalized Operation Mockingbird to an extent to where they had been, you know, they had their own institutions that were farming out these media

Starting point is 00:13:54 representatives that they could utilize to push the narrative for the mainstream and at least the- We see it right now with the Israeli-Palestine conflict. Oh my God. I mean, what, what? Did they get right? Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Clearly nothing. Right, I mean. And you just see these talking heads just running with these narratives way after they were even done. You know, so it's like the 40 babies heads gone, okay? And then someone told me, oh, 40 is the 40 years that they want the Jews wandered the

Starting point is 00:14:31 desert? Like it's crazy stuff, right? And then so then then the mass rapes are going on and then they're like, well, these bodies, and we don't even know the they were charred beyond. So someone go, I go, the rape, the rape, the rape, the rape, the rape, the rape, the rape, the rape, the rape, the rape, the rape, their their their their their their their their their their their their their tha, tha' tha' tha' tho, tho, tho, tho, they're they're they's they's they's they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, their their their their their they're, they're, tha' tha' tha' tha' tha' tha' tha' tha' tha' tha' they's, thi. they's, their that, that, that, thirty thirty thirty thirty thirty thirty thirty thirty thirty tho to too.a' too. tho thirty thirty thirty thirty thirty thirty th beyond so song go I go get the rape story isn't real they're like Yeah, I'm too charred to tell I go. Yeah, they're too charred to tell No, you're even brave so you're full of shit down. Yeah, 100% yeah, and and Seymour Hirsch like see more her. She's like, yeah, okay, so apparently he like produced this crazy document that proves that Netanyahu and IDF and the Israeli government basically funded and armed Hamas and it was in order to, basically they wanted to, during the elections where the Palestinian Authority, which clearly their representatives were also, during the elections, where the Palestinian Authority, which clearly

Starting point is 00:15:26 their representatives were also chosen by the Israeli government, and they weren't properly representing the Palestinian people at all. And so the Palestinians were just pissed. We want actual representation in the Palestinian authority. So when they had the elections, apparently one of the biggest, one of the number one priorities of Netanyahu was to, they wanted to divide the loyalties of the Palestinians and create this narrative that would allow them a pretext, mainly they wanted to associate Palestinians with a radical group, right?

Starting point is 00:16:07 A group that was willing to be violent, right? And so pretty much the story goes that that was the priority in order to set this pretext to then throw out the Abraham Accords, which was the supposed peace deal, which just seemed to only favor Israel. It's so crazy because what you're saying right, and this is, what you're saying right now is the exact game plan that the CIA used for Charles Manson and the hippies. It's the exact same game plan. It is, create this, this narrative to scare the public

Starting point is 00:16:47 about this group of people. It's exactly what they do. They do every time, every time. And I know you know we'll get into it but I mean somebody brought this up in one of my tweets. It's like the concert goer attack is the exact same storyline as the Vegas shooting. Oh gosh. Man, the Vegas shooting. Helicopters and everything. Oh yeah. Yeah, and I forget who it was at the time that owned stock in the helicopter company that

Starting point is 00:17:22 was it. It was an Arab company wasn't it. the Prince. It was like apparently had three helicopters in Vegas the night of the shooting. But it was like an Arab company wasn't it? Or the prince? No, it was actually like a conservative neocon. Like some Jeff Sessions type, right? I can't 100% remember or recall who exactly it was. But no, you're right though XG? This isthis is crazy. Because Al-Talal or whatever, the cousin of Mohammed bin Salman, he apparently owned, right?

Starting point is 00:17:50 Like part of the four seasons with Bill Gates had co-owned. And it was like the top five floors or whatever of the Mandalay Bay. And yeah, the story goes, man. I mean, there was an assassination plot against Mohammed bin Salman. And there's like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thu, th, th, th, th, th, th, thal, thus, thal, thol-in, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thoo, thoooooooooooooooooooooo, tho, tho, tho, tha, tha, the story goes, man. I mean, there was an assassination plot against Mohammed bin Salman. And there's like all this evidence that shows that apparently there was, so Trump had considered this, right? 2017's when the shooting happens. Trump had just gotten into office, you know, probably not what, a year had gone by that time.

Starting point is 00:18:23 And, uh, and basically, he had shown public support for Muhammad bin Salman becoming the crown prince, or becoming basically the king, the future king of Saudi Arabia, and it was a political alliance. And so, Al-Thalal had been known for being a Wahhabist, right? Which is a radical Sunni Islam, right? And it's like a radical interpretation of a jihadist form of Islam. And Wahhabism is basically the Saudi version of Islam that's like extremely violent. And anyway, so it turns out that Al-Thalal had been funding

Starting point is 00:19:08 these radical, Wahhabist, Sunni jihadist groups, and they were, and a lot of them, you know, were affiliated with ISIS, right, which of course we were arming and funding through Operation Fast and Furious, right? Which people have apparently forgotten, or they never have realized that the ATF had a gun walking scandal, which I hope to smear the ATF further in a little while with Ruby Ridge. But clearly, the ATF, they should be completely abolished, man. I mean, it's outrageous. Well, you know, we're starting to find out that these agencies are just the tack dog for the elites and 100% the illusion is going away, law and order is going away and it's just

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Starting point is 00:22:12 let's start with the Omdi Busk Counterterrorism Act of 1995 well that basically followed directly after the Oklahoma City bombing right which like really consider to oh my god I mean it Which, like, really consider it too. Oh my God. I mean, it's outrageous that people have accepted that story. You know, I mean, it's Timothy, I don't even need to get into that to be honest. We could spend the whole rest of our time on Oklahoma City. But honestly, man, like, the political climate at the time, right? It was just, I mean, we had the false the false the false, we had the false, we had the false, we had the false, we had the false, we had the false, we had the false, we had the false, we had the false, we had the false, the false, the false, the false, the false, the false, the false, the f, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thethe political climate at the time, right?

Starting point is 00:22:45 It was just, I mean, we had the false flag of the blind sheik and the first world trade center attacks, like, right? Right, which was 93. And then you had, and that to me was like trying to cede the Islamic terrorism narrative, you know, like well before 9-11 was going to happen. And then you have Ted Kaczynski, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the Islamic terrorism narrative, you know, like well before 9-11 was going to happen. And then you have Ted Kaczynski, you know, MK Ultra Unabomber scenario playing off where he gets arrested in 95, right? So I mean, that's at its height by this point. And then you have Waco. It's only six months after, you know, and the same people who were embedded

Starting point is 00:23:26 in the ATF and the FBI at Ruby Ridge were basically at Waco and carried out the siege. And so I mean, Lon Horucci, the sniper, he was there too. He had confirmed kills in Waco. You know, so interesting when you say that, because that's the exact same story that happens when you look at the Michigan governor kidnapping which involved 12 to 13 eight not agents but basically what's it called? Informants informants. Federal informants. That guy who ran that operation was moved to January 6th right after it. Now that you say that, so shout out to Ken Silva. He's like a legit journalist who's done some really great work on a lot of this. A lot of like basically proving that Pat Kahn never ended.

Starting point is 00:24:18 You know what I mean? And pretty much the Charlottesville rally. It turns out the guy that was in the car that committed that crime and most a lot of the people there were federal informants, right? And just so, that's Pat Con all day in my opinion. It's just some modernized form. So, oh man, so Pat Con is, it's a patriot conspiracy is actually what its technical term was, but it was a covert FBI operation that didn't just secretly infiltrate right-wing domestic extremist groups.

Starting point is 00:24:56 Oh shit. The real objective in Pat Con had been to seed infiltrators and to incite these fringe groups to violence. They even created fake militia groups like these fringe groups to violence. They even created fake militia groups like the Veterans Arian Movement, as well as running entrapment-based sting operations, like Ruby Ridge with Randy Weaver, right? Not the Veterans Arian movement. They're fake. You gotta be kidding.

Starting point is 00:25:20 That 100% PAC-on, man. It's just insane. I mean, they were like, what is -on, right? And it's just insane. I mean, they were like, what is the most evil, like, let's say something that people love and let's put with some people, hey, and make a peanut butter sandwich, the Patriots, Aryan, oh my god, it's so hilarious. The Tom Brady Nazis, like, right. No, no, no, not tomorrow. This was, in my opinion, this was like, this is why. By the way, that sounds like New England Patriots fan base, right?

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Starting point is 00:26:26 to accusations that POTS approved the order, and this is a huge debate of the rules of engagement were basically changed. And I'll get into that at some point. But I think first, honestly, what we should start with, because Pat Con, I believe, is the true story of Ruby Ridge. I think they wanted to, one, they're always vying for funding. That's like, they even admitted this at one point in, after the Waco siege, that they were just vying for funding from the new presidential administration who had taken office, and they

Starting point is 00:27:02 were basically considering defunding the ATF, which I don't know how much I believe that, but apparently it was a consideration and so, you know, top officials in the ATF, they were freaking out, right, and they said we need a great press opportunity that will show the American public, one, how important and great we are as an agency, and two, that it'll show the new administration, right, and Congress that we need further funding. And so it would, they, I'm telling you, they will murder you and your dog and your baby and your children at your house. They'll drive a tank through the front door, dude. If Waco didn't prove that, what won't, you know? And you hear like, and you hear, and you, and you, and you, and you, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it'll their, it'll their, it'll their their, it'll show, it'll show their, it'll show their their their their their, it'll show, it'll show, it'll show, it'll show their their their, it, it, it, it'll their their their their their their it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it'll their their their their their their, it'll their, it'll their, it'll their, it'll their, it'll their, it'll show, it'll show their their their their tho, it'll show, it'll show, it'll show, it'll show their their their their their their tank through the front door, dude. If Waco didn't prove that, what won't?

Starting point is 00:27:48 You know? And you hear like what they say, members of the police at Waco that carried out that siege, like they wanted it to be a mentality. Like, they wanted it to be a mentality. Like, they wanted it, it was a part of their mentality that created that scenario of such tragedy. And they basically view it.

Starting point is 00:28:07 There's 5,000 people to one agent of the law, right? And we basically need to instill fear into the people. Therefore, they will not break the law, right? And that was, I forget the exact quote of the official at Waco that said this to a reporter, but it is shameful, 100% shameful, but it exposes their mentality. But first of all, I really do think like, this was a plot to completely demonize of the right-wing conservative Christian in America, right? And I think that if we look at, you know, the way that that select group is viewed today in modern politics, it's basically created this terrible cultural divide where people are playing into

Starting point is 00:29:06 this culture war when reality it's just a class war, you know, and it's so I do, I do think that the main priority here was to completely demonize Randy Weaver and his ideology, right? And they wanted it to be a broad brush. They didn't want to specifically, you know, and that's why they were, and, and I, they were, and, they were, and, and they were, and they were, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, they were, and, they, and, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, th, th, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th. th. thi, thi, th. th. thi. th. th. thi. th. thi. thi. thi. th. the, the, the, the, the, right? And they wanted it to be a broad brush. They didn't want to specifically, you know, and that's why they were, and I heard that even I read a story that they had apparently, the FBI had potentially, allegedly, they had paid for these fake protesters, like, members of the Aryan nations, right? Like, to come and behave like, like, to behave like, like, the the the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and the, the, and, thea, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, the, the, the, theyverververa, theyvera, theyvera, theyvera, theyvera, theyvera, theyvera, theyvera, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, that, and, and, and, and the, and, like members of the Aryan nations, right, like to come and behave like they were affiliated with Randy Weaver and they were going to protest and with planhoods on and like, yeah, yeah, and in reality, none of those people knew Randy, none of them ever

Starting point is 00:30:01 were associated with him. We have seen that so many times now. I mean, many times do they have these people show up with real nice khaki pants on You're right with like sneaky torture. Yeah, I mean, I mean, come on bro. Not even that that was the mo-that was beyond obvious. That was beyond I you know it's so interesting too was a lot of people, when they showed that car starting to mow people over, they took a picture of the guy driving, and the guy driving did not look like the guy that they said did it. So, right, and then they kind of picked, and then they found out who the guy really looked like, which was this military officer. And bro, that story laughed real quick.

Starting point is 00:30:48 Good luck finding that picture. Good luck finding any, I mean, dude, straight up 1984. Now, I believe, and my instincts tell me, that the government has such advanced software, that they're actually affecting the Mandela effect. Like, they're trying to get us to so not but, to the to, to to to the to to the to the to to the to to the to the to to to the to to to to to to to to the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to too, too, too, too, too, too, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they're actually affecting the Mandela effect. Like they're trying to get us to so not believe the wisdom of our experiences, that they have a way to go through the internet

Starting point is 00:31:15 and replace everything. They're memory-holing everything as we speak. I mean, if I try and do research on any of these subjects, I get so many 404 pages, I can't find articles, man. That's the dead internet. Yeah, 100%. And if you're not consistently, like researching yourself, you're not going to even know that

Starting point is 00:31:38 that's happening. And what does that do? Inherently, it changes all of history. I mean, in my opinion, if you only have a select, a select, right, that's going to maintain, it's, it's, I mean, that's what it's about, right? It's, so, by the way, what you had to say about, uh, um, the, the Pat Con Operation Operation and Charlottesville, what we were just talking about. So apparently did you hear that Representative Higgins claims that the FBI sent busloads of informants to storm Capitol Hill on January 6th? Who said that?

Starting point is 00:32:19 Apparently it's Representative Higgins, okay? And this is just in Clay Higgins, all right? And he's a US House of Representatives, that's who he is, yeah. But he just claimed this with no information or evidence whatsoever. And so all I'm saying is it fits perfectly, but it also could be muddying the waters when it comes to a lot of people's legitimate reporting on January 6th and feds being involved. Yeah, he says Clay Higgins claims ghost buses, brought FBI informants, and we know that's true because people are talking about they're busing people in right now. That's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:33:06 You want to talk about memory hold? Try to bring video, try to find stories about the LAPD cops who all are 11 of them to commit suicide that saw Anthony Wiener's laptop. Good luck. Good luck with that. Hey, bring up Pizza Gate and people act like you're crazy, right? I just had a conversation with a good friend of mine that I love. And he was like, you don't believe in that Pizza Gate, do you?

Starting point is 00:33:31 I go, oh my gosh. Okay, if you want to have a conversation, we just talked about us on the last episode, but if you want to have a conversation the place doesn't have a basement, even though there's articles and interviews of him talking about his basement at the pizza shop. And the one dude that went in only shot the computer with the hard drive in it that they wanted to destroy, but you know, you know, that's how I realized that it was all real was when I studied that guy and I found out that his dad runs a habit, basically, an organization, and the organization, and the organization, and the organization, and the organization, and the organization, and the organization, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and they, and th, and th, and thi, and thi, thi, and thi, thi, and thi, thi, and thi, and thi, and interviews thi, and interviews thi, and interviews thi, and interviews thi, and interviews thi, and interviews thi, and interviews, and interviews, and interviews, and interviews, and that, and that, and th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that guy, and I found out that his dad runs a habit, basically an organization along the lines, the name is along the lines of Habitat for Haitian orphans,

Starting point is 00:34:14 and it was funded by the Clinton Foundation. And that's when I knew it was all in. And that was the first time we found out that, guess what? All the traffic cams didn't work that day. Exactly. I heard that that guy had also gotten into an accident. Yeah, and like killed somebody with his car. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:36 And that could have been some factor that played a role in him being the guy that had to go in and shoot the computer. But either way, what an insane story that is, man. I mean, it is so sick. But we get into it, we get into it about like, oh, okay, pizza gay, oh, they're molesting children in the basement. Okay, fine. You don't want, that's why they, that's why they call pizza gay. So you associate it with the pizza. tholol. thia. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. th. the th. th. thi. the thi. the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their, thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi. I, thi. I. I. I. I. I. I'm, th. th. th. th. th. We. th. We're, th. We're, th. We're, th. We're, th. We're, th. We're, th. We're, th. I they that's why they call pizza gay. So you associate it with the pizza parlor and then you can dismiss it

Starting point is 00:35:08 But in reality what they're talking about is a pedophile ring in Washington DC And that's what I call Jeffrey Epstein's whole operation. Oh, yeah, and Jane I mean James all of font is just his Instagram alone like what is that? thu. Can you explain to me? Why he has like this ancient Egyptian god of like? th. th. the, like? th. the, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, th. th. thin, th. th. thin, thi, thin, thin, th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin. thi. thi. And thi, thin, thi, what is that, dude? Can you explain to me why he has like this ancient Egyptian god of like basically the hero of pedophiles? It doesn't even make sense, man. Yeah. You know, you guys have never ordered like a thousand hot dogs. Right, right. Right.

Starting point is 00:35:37 Right. Right. Right. I'm never spent 50,000000 on hot dogs and cheese pizza. Right. And I mean, you know, Gordo from those conspiracy guys, they were talking about how it detailed like walnut sauce and all the different like what it represent, dude, that was disturbing as hell. Like, my God, I mean, at some point I will have. Oh, God, yeah. Well, you know, that reminds me that there is a theory about Stephen Paddock and Mary Lou

Starting point is 00:36:10 Danley, that girl he was supposedly dating that was in the Philippines at the time. But yet he used her identification to check into his rooms. Like, first of all, that's crazy. You know, like what hotel lets you do that, but I guess he's a high roller, so it's okay. And then it turns out that apparently she was on the FBI's payroll. And there's even evidence that puts her as like some revolutionary fighting against Marcos in the Philippines in the 60s and 70s who then was given access by a CIA operative was granted access to then come to the United States. And it's all a part of her

Starting point is 00:36:58 like visa application stuff. It's like really weird but there's evidence that proves that her entire like getting brought to the U.S. was completely like authorized by a CIA operative who was in that area, right, running that area. And so then there was a theory that that apparently claims that Silkway Airlines, right, which Stephen Paddock owned two planes, which were traced back to these defense contractors that were working for Obama. Right. Yeah. Like it doesn't even make sense. The situation doesn't even make sense.

Starting point is 00:37:41 Why would a guy that's going to shoot up a bunch of places have like a billion a bunch of guns up there? You'd only have maybe a couple guns maybe and a ton of ammo. You're not bringing a thousand guns unless you plan on selling all those guns. Everything about him comes off as a gunrunner, a black market gunrunner. Yeah, and there's more evidence that proves that he was 100% even showed up. Like there's this Russian mobster that apparently works with the feds quite often and was helping as a part of operation fast and furious, which was just like a part of the gun running operation, the ATF gun walking. It was, it's a crazy, there's so much more than just Fast and Furious, but apparently he

Starting point is 00:38:38 showed up to Chicago O'Hare International Airport. The same time, one of these planes flew in with a bunch of weapons on it, right? And he was supposed to be the guy there to to accept the plane. So it's just outrageous that what the amount of evidence that proves that this guy was for sure not some mentally disturbed mass shooter right? And then apparently this guy, when you dig even deeper into the background of, I think he's a Patsy a little bit in a certain way, even though he clearly is a part of the gun running operation.

Starting point is 00:39:19 He was suing an op, he was suing a hotel. There's a video of him fake falling and trying to sue the hotel. And when you do that, when you do that gig, you don't, you're meant to be a ghost. Right, yeah. I can see that. I mean, he could definitely have just warned out his usefulness, you know, as far as I'm concerned, become, uh, what's it called when you're hung out to dry? Anyways, there's a term for it, but... I think it's called Hung Out to Dry.

Starting point is 00:39:50 Yeah, basically. I think he was, 100%. So, Johnny, have any of you guys been to Vegas lately? Yeah. Yeah. So, I don't know if this has happened in a hotel the hotel you were at, but when I went to Skank Fest this year, every time I went into my hotel, I had to present my ID to them. Every time? My ID?

Starting point is 00:40:11 Or the room key? I had to present my ID. I had to present my ID. To get into the hotel or to your room. Never my idea. Never my idea. Yeah. You just the room. You only check your, you only show your idea when you check in, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:26 Yeah, I've never had to do it. I could have sworn I sowed my hotel. What hotel? You're credit card? What hotel? Your credit card? My, no, no, my, my, the ID. They ran it through a thing to make sure it was valid.

Starting point is 00:40:41 I would not surprised what hotel was that? Uh, what was it? It was it. Cirk was it Circa or whatever? Yeah, Circa. Uh, that's a new hotel. Oh, because Circus is the only club that's 21 and over. That makes sense. Yeah. It's the only one that's 21 and over. Oh, really? Yeah, it's the only one. Every one of thoo. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the only. the only. the the only. the only. the only. the only. the only. the only. the only. the only. the only. the only. the only. that's that's. that's. that's. that's. the only one that's all every one of them downtown made us do that every one of those hotels

Starting point is 00:41:06 Because I also went to gold nugget had it happened there as well So they they claimed that was a part of the plot was that basically Michael Chertoff. Yeah, yeah, Michael Chirtoff, which was the second head of the Department of Homeland Security and then him and before Sheld Nadelson died right they were like apparently they had created these security measures for these casinos and like they wanted all the is basically TSA but they want to install metal detectors they want to install metal 100% bro that was that was. That was a 4-Chem post. Yeah, dude.

Starting point is 00:41:47 Yeah, exactly. And Michael Chertoff for sure, he was the guy who helped cover up. He was a part of the blind sheik and the World Trade Center bombing and was like a prosecutor. He was a federal prosecutor that helped cover that up, right? Which is totally crazy because I forget the name of the blind sheik, Omar Abdul Rahman or something like that, and he won 100% was involved with the feds. And it was, I mean, the CIA created Al Qaeda and we all know this, you know, but they were. You know, but no, they don't all know this because I'm on a podcast with a guy that doesn't know any of this. And we argue every day and it's just insanity.

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Starting point is 00:45:19 Besides owning those two planes that were connected to the defense contractors. And also, Stephen Paddick worked, he was a former IRS agent, he like worked for this defense audit company that was merged into Lockheed Martin. Right? Like, that's who he was working for. And so it's just crazy to me that he had that many connections, but also he apparently, his main company since 2004 is called Paradise Ranch, which was a joint venture with the Philippine Children's Fund of America, right? And that's a charity that provides a transnational home for American children. We fly from the Philippines. Now strangely enough, there is also a Paradise Ranch in the Philippines, his partner's home country, which is Merrilew Danley, who is the FBI lady. And this Paradise Ranch is right next to a former U.S. Air Force base in the Clark-Freeport

Starting point is 00:46:21 zone in Angeles City, a very well-known side of large-scale sex trafficking. So the obvious question is, did Paddock make his millions as an ex-CIA pilot running a human sex trafficking ring out of the Philippines? Right. Dude, when I heard that, I just like, whoa. Well, the very least, we know the official narrative is bullshit, right?

Starting point is 00:46:49 Like, that's at the very least. And if that's true, right? And I'm, he definitely was a part of the Silkways Airlines, which was 100% flying out of the Philippines, right? I mean, that's a, that's a pedophile connection to Vegas as well, which is just, of course, right? Why would we be surprised at this point? You know, and uh, anyway, there were clearly multiple shooters, there were shootings at the fooders and it's so ridiculous. That old man can't break that glass.

Starting point is 00:47:27 It's just the all the swat that just sat back. The scanners which said there were multiple shooters all over Vegas that nobody's talking about. Right. The shots came from up top people were getting shot from like the like at like a 90 like 45 angle. Yeah. It's like the guy on Twitter. people were getting shot from like the like at like a 90 like a 45 angle yeah it's like the guy on Twitter I wish I could remember his Twitter handle he brought it up it's the same exact thing as Israel and they move that concert closer to the border and then they just took out everybody and blamed it on Hamas and everyone's gonna lose their skull on me and say I'm talking crazy but I'm not. I mean over and over again this story just becomes complete other bullshit when you listen to all the dude you listen to hostages talking about like dude the IDF shot everybody

Starting point is 00:48:19 yeah yeah and beyond that let's not forget this was a country, a country concert. They were trying to go after the conservatives. They were trying to scare that. Oh, in Vegas? Yeah, yeah, I know, right. This was like, yo, this is not no LGBTQ getting shot up. Exactly. This is a country club where your second amendment rights are really defending.

Starting point is 00:48:40 I read, what are we going to do? Brother, I read, I read this article that claimed that apparently that was also, could have potentially been a warning from Altalal to the Trump administration for his massive support for MBS, Mohammed bin Salman. And if you notice, of course, right after the Vegas shooting, the massive Saudi purge, right? Yeah. Yeah. And so- Right after that, dude. And they said that- And that guy you talked about that owns those floors is the one who basically funded Obama going through college. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, and so when- Oh my god, man. That's crazy, Sam. I didn't know that. That's insane. the guy. And so, and he the guy. And he the guy. And he the guy. And he the guy. And he the guy. And he's the the the th. the th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the th. Yeah, th. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. th. Yeah. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the th. the the th. th. the th. the th. th. the the th. Yeah. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the th oh my God, man, that's crazy, Sam, I didn't know that. Yeah, he's the guy who, and so, and he's also the guy that handed, he, that, that Saudi

Starting point is 00:49:32 owned Citibank. Yeah, and major shareholder in Twitter as well. Well, they were, yeah. And he's the one that Citibank basically handed Biden a list for his cabinet and every single one of them was picked. Yep, I remember that. I try and explain that to members of my own family. Why are you?

Starting point is 00:49:55 Why you know what I mean? No, it's been a huge mistake. I'll be honest. And I'm basically, that's where I'm at I've done the exact same thing basically but I had to I'm pretty much I was lying to myself for way too long that that the almost like the closer you are to someone the less likely they are to actually take you serious which is the weirdest thing ever right like really is that this this thing where they

Starting point is 00:50:24 believe somebody on the weirdest thing ever, right? Like, it really is. That this thing where they believe somebody on the TV, but they don't believe you who like, I love my mother, she's the, I love her. There's very, I mean, outside of my, probably my daughters, there's very few people that I love more than my, my mother. And she will not listen to me on anything. She, you know vaccinated and then she just got boosted with a flu shot and now oh my god Travis Kelsey style yeah uh then they put the stints in and so sad man it's super sad dude because you got to take blood thinners now and it's just like nobody listens to me. Nobody listens to me. I try but nobody listens to me. I try but nobody listens to me. I th, th, and th, th, but th, but th, but th, but th, th, th, th, th th, th th th th th th th th th th th the the the the the the the, and then the, and then the, and then the the the, and then the, and then the, and then the, and then the, and then th the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee the the the the the got to take blood thinners now, and it's just like nobody listens to me.

Starting point is 00:51:06 Nobody listens to me. I try, but nobody listens to me. And so yeah, you got I think a lot of us. Yeah, I agree. I think a lot of us are going through a very similar experience, man. You know, like, that's why I mentioned, like, COVID was so insane. And people aren't, I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I, I, I mean, I, I th. that, I that, I that, I that, I try, I try, I try, I try, I try, I try, I try, I try, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, people aren't, I mean it still is insane, you know, and no, I mean I just don't think it's, it's just being so quickly swept under the rug because just all these different people who are saying that, you know, you have to, you have to just forgive everyone. It was the chaos of the time, you know, you have to, you have to just forgive everyone. It was the chaos of the time, the chaos of the moment.

Starting point is 00:51:49 And it's just so clear to me that all you have to, you have to just have minimal principles, not even very many principles that you've truly defined, right, to where you understand that you don't have a right to decide for another person, you know, all of these things, and which is a part of why I've had to completely give up with trying to reach my family in any way, because basically, you know, it's a complete waste of time. And I also believe that they're going to decide on their own anyway. So you can only do so much. Yeah, I mean, it it it it it it it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just the the the the the the their, it's thi, it's just, it's just, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just just just just just just just just just just just just just the the the the the the the thrue. thateat. that. that. that. that. that. that that that that. that. their own anyway. So you can only do so much.

Starting point is 00:52:26 Yeah, I mean, it's just the truth, dude. It just sucks and nobody wants to listen. I do have a lot of family members that do listen to me. You know, but at the end of the day, it's just like, most of them think I'm a crazy person. Which I'm fine I don't even care but it just makes me sad because like everything becomes a Every whenever is everything conspiracy. Yeah, I mean everything is an intelligence operation like everything there's everything they're everything they're They're manipulating every moment of everything to control our reality. And what we think they want us, like as much as I love Twitter and I love all the butts on Instagram, they're great. But that's just a, that's just a job, not so much Instagram, but Twitter is even as good as is with Elon Musk.

Starting point is 00:53:23 It's a fucking, it is a trauma, um, a trauma, a, it is a trauma, a trauma conductor, a distribution website, that's all it is. Oh yeah, it just distributes trauma. And now with this new way of paying you money, now everybody's just posting, like every single they're posting, And now with this new way of paying you money, now everybody's just posting, like every single, they're posting 10,000 times a day. Dude, are you talking about monetizing Twitter? Is that what you mean?

Starting point is 00:53:54 Yeah. Well, I couldn't handle it, man. I have this, uh, this, this YouTube or streamer guy, he just came on a other podcast. He did a week straight streaming. And they gave him a dollar a minute. Like he literally the only thing he had to do was on YouTube, on YouTube, one of those like new accounts.

Starting point is 00:54:14 And all he had to do was turn the camera around when he was like taking a shit and in the shower, but he did it for a whole week straight. He didn't care everything and it's him and felt normal and now he does it. He'll do 24 hours like it's nothing now. Because a week to him is like, I'm like, whoa, which I mean we talk about how much Sam podcast but I couldn't imagine him going on 24. I would go no. I would lose my skull. That's what I mean. I post like once a week with it when my episode comes out or like if I feel for some reason like I actually naturally feel like I should respond or I'm in a

Starting point is 00:54:51 moment like I don't know I feel like I should post more a little bit but at the same time and it is a complete waste of your time in a lot of ways unless you're using it to research right and beyond that you just feel like you're going crazy because you're just one you're either put to research, right? And beyond that, you just feel like you're going crazy, because you're just, one, you're either put into an echo chamber, right, placed into your echo chamber, and you're just hearing the same reinforcing narratives over and over again, or you're just arguing with people.

Starting point is 00:55:19 And what's hilarious is that this, Ruby Ridge was like my seventh episode. I'm only on like 29 or something. This is my 30th. And it's the only one that I've gotten any hate for. And like it was just some like, like, like 60 year old white woman who was like, there are a bunch of Nazi white supremacists, okay? You know, just like a, yeah, the, these, It's like, you can just tell who listens to fucking MSNC and CNN and they,

Starting point is 00:55:49 it's like Malcolm X said, it's like, you know, the media will get you like hating the victims and loving the oppressors. Yeah, yeah, it's funny though, the Ruby Ridge, even the mainstream narrative of Ruby Ridge is, I mean, it's a damning for the government. I can't imagine. I mean how brainwashed you have to be to think that even that was okay. Well, Austin, take us from the beginning of it. Let's get into the beginning of Ruby Rich. Sounds good. All right, so Randy Weaver, right? He basically, he grew up in a small town in southwestern Iowa and graduated from high school around

Starting point is 00:56:25 1966 and in 1968 in October. When he was 20 years old, he joined the Army and he eventually became a member of the Elite Special Forces Unit called the Green Berets, right? Very similar to Timothy McVay and Terry Nichols, which I did find a potential connection between Bo Gritz, who was the special forces commander of the Green Berets at the time, and actually trained Randy Weaver when he was in special forces, and he also knew Terry Nichols, which I thought was insane, because Terry Nichols, you know, know forever had said you get me in front of a Legit grand jury. I'll blow open Oklahoma City and

Starting point is 00:57:10 Dude, they're never gonna let that happen. It's crazy. They like barred everyone from ever even visiting him and like it's an insane story But anyway, so beyond that weird connection to the green berets, which I can never really get away from he, he also, like, it's an insane story. But, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th, th, th, th, th, th, like, like, like, like, like, that weird connection to the Green Berets, which I can never really get away from, he also, like, he only was in the military for like three years, and then he gets an honorable discharge, and then he starts dating, well, he started dating Vicky in 1970, right? And that's when he's given the discharge. And then he at the time, three years into a service, right, he decides that after he's discharged, he gets married to Vicki and they moved to Cedar Falls, Iowa, and he had plans of enrolling at the University of Northern Iowa, claiming he wanted to research,

Starting point is 00:58:04 like, well he claimed his end goal was, claiming he wanted to research, like, well, he claimed his end goal was to become an FBI agent, which is like, bro, when he fined out what happened to him at Ruby Ridge, like, what are the odds that he originally was a green beret, like, like such a part of the system. But yet, you're also, I get it because I completely flip-flopped ideologically as well, like this from, you know, a more of an education, you know, but also just a more objective approach toward learning anything about politics, you know. But anyway, so there were, uh, uh, uh, uh, the, uh, uh, uh, the, uh, like, uh, so, so, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, the, the, I, I, I, the, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. learning anything about politics, you know. But anyway, so there were, after he had supposedly claimed that he wanted to become an FBI agent,

Starting point is 00:58:55 he never ended up going to Northern Iowa, the university, he ended up getting a job like pretty well-paying at John Deere Tractor Factory, and then they had their first child, Sarah, in 1976. And Vicky, supposedly at that time, took on the role of spiritual leader in the family. And by 1978, she allegedly read a book written by Hal Lindsay called the late Great Planet Earth that basically interpreted the prophecies of the Old Testament and applied his interpretation to the prophecies of the Old Testament and applied his interpretation to the events of current times, concluding that we were now in the end times, right? And apparently after she read this book,

Starting point is 00:59:35 Vicki began having recurring dreams of living on a mountaintop and believed that the apocalypse was imminent and in an attempt to escape what they viewed as a world corrupted, they fled to Idaho where they could legally homeschool their newborn son Samuel. And that was another factor was that where they were in Iowa, you couldn't legally homeschool your child, which, what, are you serious? Like, as far as I'm concerned, I am ideologically aligned with Randy in that sense. He called all schools, all public schools, government schools, which that's how I view it. I mean, it's clear. It's exactly what they are. You know, it's so weird, man.

Starting point is 01:00:18 My mother and my father were both teachers. And my dad didn't like the government. He wasn't a government guy. He wasn't like, he was anti- like bureaucracy and bureaucracy and he like he just hated to play by the rules. So in that sense he was very anti-establishment. but they loved educating kids. And I don't think all teachers are bad people. I think if you catch the wrong school, you're in trouble. Oh God. I mean, I'll just, my school, just my own first-hand experience.

Starting point is 01:01:03 I went to grab at high school, right? I grew-hand experience. I went to Gravitt High School, right? I grew up in Northwest Arkansas, okay? Super rural area. I grew up on like a 35-acre farm. My mom was like a horse trainer. Like my dad was a truck driver, you know. And so I like, I value that experience so much now, like it's crazy. I know growing up, all I wanted was to move to LA, you know, experience the big city, you

Starting point is 01:01:31 know what I'm saying? It's what a lot of people imagine. And I also, who hasn't, if you grew up in America, our identities are basically completely attached to Hollywood, right? It's so weird, but every, but every, to the to the to the told to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to completely attached to Hollywood, right? It's so weird, but everyone chooses who to worship, which celebrity they prefer, and then they all craft their identities after these famous people. And I've seen it in my own life just so much, right? Like, just having the conversations with people that I know and love, it'll be like, the only way they can relate to me

Starting point is 01:02:11 is what TV show do you watch, right? And what's the latest drama about some fucking celebrity that I could not care less about, right? It's just like, at a certain point, I got so, just, I had to unplug from Hollywood, man. I got, I loved theater when I first found it, which is weird, because I was like into athletics, but then I was partying a little bit, you know, and I couldn't, like I got caught smoking weed in school and all this.

Starting point is 01:02:45 And so I had to pivot from organized sports, okay? And then I, some girls like got me into theater, right? They were doing a musical and I could sing, right? So I grew up like singing and playing a little piano and guitar. And so, anyway, it's just a crazy experience because growing up in that school, you know, like, that school alone, okay, I just have to say, at least while I was there, one of the teachers,

Starting point is 01:03:22 who went to prison for being a pedophile. Like, I remember I went into his word processing class one day and me and my boy Michael and he like puts his hand on my leg. And I'm like, what are you doing, bro, you know? And then he just like plays it off because clearly I was like a confident young man and like, I wasn't into it, you know what I mean? But at the same time, like, I was so ignorant at the time. I had no idea what actually happened until I was like granted hindsight and I became a little

Starting point is 01:03:58 more aware of exactly, and then he gets arrested and of course people find out right. But we had another teacher while I was there. He gets arrested, and of course, people find out, right? But we had another teacher while I was there. He gets arrested for having sex with one of the female students, right? And he goes to jail, and I'll never forget that either. And so it's just like so much I've seen like my own personal experience. And also, we had a female teacher who, once we we graduated had sex with one of my boys and then We were living together in an apartment and

Starting point is 01:04:31 I'm just using this as an example because of how ridiculous I think public school is truly and I don't believe this these are all teachers, but I lived in a small town and and this was supposed to be a good school, you know, it's still considered a good school. And I truly didn't learn very much of anything while I was there. All that I did was try and get them to treat me less like a slave. You know what I mean? That's basically what it felt like. Knowing the whole, anyway, knowing the whole history of the Prussian model and the whole reason that it's like structured in the way with each each hour, you get a bell and you have to go to the next. Yeah, it's a factory and it's prison. Exactly. It's an assembly line. And it's supposed to, it's supposed to break us.

Starting point is 01:05:27 I really believe it's supposed to break our spirits. It's supposed to drive the individual, the individuality out of us. And we're meant to embrace the collectivist nature. And I believe it basically boils down to just that. It's collectivism versus individualism. And you have to have an identity, but you have to construct it yourself. And so you can't just completely mold yourself after some person you saw in a movie, right? And then you wonder why you have no identity when, you know, you're 30 years old. Most people have had a child by that point.

Starting point is 01:06:06 It's just completely insane. But I just deal with it on a daily basis, you know. And yeah, yeah, I mean like I just I have a buddy of mine that I'm not going to say his name, but he just had an issue with his kids school. His kids teacher got a little too handsy with his wife. And then when he went to like she did some investigation into him and like went to his tw- the teacher's Twitter, there's like hardcore pornography on there and all that stuff. Now let me just say something. I don't think teachers, what teachers do in there and all that stuff. Now let me just say something. I don't think teachers, what teachers do in their in the privacy of their own home is their own thing as long as they're

Starting point is 01:06:52 not hurting anybody, right? So what I'm saying is if a teacher wants to watch hardcore porn, they can watch hardcore porn as long as they don't bring that to their job and stuff like that you can't you can't expect them to walk on water right Exactly, yeah, but when you're putting it on your your social media Oh, that is a presentation right and it's got it like I don't want that person near children and I know his daughter's age It's not for my daughter's age, right and that is a sign like what you put out is this and this is come from a guy who's got a Timful hat podcast which is conspiracies, you know, I've done an audie show. We're back to the day interviewed adult film stars and I'm pretty honest with who I am and my strengths and my weaknesses, but I choose to be that person. But what you put on your timeline to find you.

Starting point is 01:07:52 That is very easy for a kid to find. You're at home or whatever you want to maybe email your teacher, you type in the name, Twitter comes up, you click the Twitter, now you see all the porn that your teachers into. Right here. Oh my God. Yeah, it's done. It's just ridiculous. So back to Ruby Ridge real quick. Yeah. So he wanted to have that. He wanted to have a homeschooling. Idaho didn't allow that. That becomes an issue. Yep. And so reportedly after the birth of their son, the Weavers started selling all their stuff and even like, they even visited the Amish and tried to learn to live without electricity, electricity and like, that was all right before they moved to Boundary County, Idaho and purchased 20 acres of land, right?

Starting point is 01:08:42 And so by that time, it was pretty well established, like that Randy and Vicky were affiliated with the Christian identity movement, which it definitely holds like some off-centered beliefs, you know, but, but, I mean, it's interesting because they believe in like a Zionist-occupied government and all of this, and that they are like the true descendants of the tribes of Israel and are basically the modern nationalites of Europe and that today's Jews are impostors and that Yahweh has fierce punishment plans for sinful America and its Babylonian occupational government and and it like claims to live by Old Testament lost and to be the true heirs of Israel. And so many of them are separatists, right?

Starting point is 01:09:32 They'll be white separatists and that was, that was a belief like, but they would be consistently labeled as white supremacists, which they weren't like actively, nothing I could find shows that they were actively treating anyone in any negative way because of their race or ethnicity or whatever. It just, I couldn't find any evidence of that at all. You know, all I could find was that they were white separatists and that they just wanted to have the right to live amongst their own race if they so chose. Which say whatever you want about that. I, I, I, I, I, I, I th that, I, I, I, I th th th th th th th th th th that, I th th th that, I th thi, I thi, I thi, I the, I the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the is the is theateateateat, theat, theateat, theat, threate, theat, threate, threate, threate, the, the, th just wanted to have the right to live amongst their own race if they so chose. Which, say whatever you want about that. I mean, we have to at least allow people, right, to have their own belief system, as long as they're not in any way, breaching a couple of core principles, like the non-aggression principle, or they're stealing your property, I mean, then I think everything will be okay, you know, most the the the the thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi,aggression principle or they're stealing your property.

Starting point is 01:10:25 I mean, then I think everything will be okay, you know, most of the time. If you just leave them alone, you know, and so... It is interesting. It is interesting because, you know, there's so many people that have this kind of, I mean, you could, if you take a look at what's going on on these campuses, you have, you know, you have these people who basically, you know, are like, you know, Africans only, they had like, I'm Berkeley, they had African, African only graduation. Yeah, I mean, it's just like... It's okay to be racist if you're a minority in America, right? My whole thing is like, you're...

Starting point is 01:11:10 Which I don't understand. You know, the notion, listen, I know this, this statement drives people crazy, but I love the diversity of Los Angeles, as crazy as the politics are, I really enjoy. I love that I can get any kind of food, any kind of restaurant, any ethnic group restaurant. You know, I just love it. I do love it. I love the diversity of it, okay? I do too, man. But I also, I also know that, like, humans are mammals, and they run in packs and and we're the first time a mammals try to make different packs live together in different

Starting point is 01:11:52 ways and it's going to be clunky and it and there's going to be moments of weirdness especially when you have an elite predator class getting us all the fight with each other so like as open-minded as LA is, which everyone thinks it is, I'm going to be honest with you, it is the most segregated city I've ever been in. Oh yeah. If you look at LA, the blacks live here, the Mexicans live here, the Jews live here, the Armenians live here, the gays live here. They just all naturally just come together. It's just the gays live here, they just all naturally, just come to gay, it's just the way it is, man.

Starting point is 01:12:29 You have little, there's little Tokyo, little Armenia, there's all these little everything's and 100%. Yeah, it's basically. It's almost like people enjoy hanging out with other to share to share the same culture. What a concept, Johnny. Wow, Johnny, what an interuasion. There we go. That, like, the only ones who aren't allowed to want to do that are white people. I mean, because we don't have a culture, Sam, that's why. Maybe you're just not allowed to announce it. You know, you're just do it quietly.

Starting point is 01:13:02 I don't know, but it's just interesting. Then, because you that's that's that's the that's the that's that's, because you, because you, because you, the the, that's, the, that's, the, that's, the, that's, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, it's just that it's a KKK meeting. I mean because you go to like I mean like Let's say San Francisco, which is supposed to be the super woke city They have there's places in San Francisco white people cannot get an apartment or black people or anybody who's not Chinese Can't live there. Mm-hmm. I mean, I believe society is basically self-organizing and that, yes, most everyone's self-interested, right? Most everyone is inevitably a little selfish, right? They're all going to look out for their own interest to a certain degree, but most people, most people, most people, on average, they don't seem to have evil for their own interest to a certain degree, but most people, most people on average,

Starting point is 01:13:47 they don't seem to have evil intentions, right? Like, and that's like something I try and consider more than anything is what are your intentions, you know, more than, because I've seen people who are so just down the partisan divide, they can't see straight, right? But they're clearly not bad people. You know, they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've just they've just they've just they've just they've just they've just they've just they've just they've just they've just they've just they've just they've just they've they've they've they've they've just they've they've they've they've they've they've they they they they they they they they they they they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've they've divide, they can't see straight, right? But they're clearly not bad people. You know, they've just been entirely misled by propaganda, deceived into these these terrible ideas that are only going to harm them and everyone else, right? And so it's just, anyway, it's a sad situation that we're in, I'll tell you that much, but

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Starting point is 01:15:09 Exactly. Right? Weaponized diversity sucks because you're forcing stuff that isn't happening naturally. What it is, people want equal opportunity, which I think again gets into this common sense. It's just common sense. That's impossible though, like, it's a quality of the, like, it's thi. It's like, and it's th is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is is thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. thi, and it's thi, and it's thi, and it's thi, and it's thi, and it's th is, and is, and it's thi, and is, and is, and is, and is, and is, and is, and is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is th, is th, is th, is th, is thi, is thi, and the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the the problem, and the the the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th gets into this common sense thing. It's just common sense. That's impossible though. Like, it's a quality of outcome, which is the ridiculous notion, right? And so it's like, no, I am never going to be, like, I never deserve to be on the same basketball court as LeBron James, right? Like, that's just, no, I don't, you know, like I would love to be, it's completely delusional to imagine that I deserve to be on the court with Lebron James, just, you know, because I deserve that opportunity. That's what a lot of people, they have been led

Starting point is 01:15:56 to believe, right, that we all deserve these equal opportunities, but that's, that's just impossible. It's not even coherent to imagine that as a possibility, right? But with the elite class divide that has been so wrought within our, just honestly, the entire, I mean, not just America, right? Like it's clearly we have We have elites running the world right a committee of 300 in my opinion If you've ever read that book it is so amazing man and they they like go down the line explaining how each president was chosen by this elite sect of individuals out of the city of London and all of this and Chatham House and and and an anyway, let's give back to Ruby. the the the the president was chosen by the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they.ea. they. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the individuals out of the city of London and all of this and Chatham House and and anyway let's get back to Ruby Ridge though. No I get it dude I totally get it let's get back in the Ruby Ridge for sure so after they bought the cabin which was only like 40 miles from the Canadian border.

Starting point is 01:17:03 Uh, Evan Harris by the way he was a close friend of Randy and he was known to like he, Randy like, like, the th he, and th he, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, like, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. thi, th. th. thi, th. thi, thi, th. thi, thi, thi, thi, he was a close friend of Randy, and he was known to like, Randy like called him his second son, right? He was known to stay with them for extended periods of time. And based on like a Department of Justice report from 1994, June 10th, in regard to the Ruby Ridge Task Force. In 1984, Randy Weaver and his neighbor, Terry Kinnison, had a dispute over a $3,000 land deal. And Randy's neighbor, Keneson, he lost the ensuing lawsuit and was ordered to pay Weaver an additional $2,100 in court costs and damages. Now, this is weird because this dispute between Randy and his neighbor,

Starting point is 01:17:48 it like escalates more than you would ever imagine. Like it's so insane. You imagine somebody being this upset about like his property boundaries I would imagine was the circumstance. But so Kinnison, he gets so pissed that he has to pay Randy and court costs and damages and all of this that he decides to write letters to the FBI, the Secret Service, and the County Sheriff, where he alleged that Weaver had threatened to kill Pope John Paul the second, President Ronald Reagan, and Idaho Governor John V Evans. Right? Now this was the first President Ronald Reagan, and Idaho Governor John V. Evans. Right?

Starting point is 01:18:26 Now, this was the first time that Randy would be brought onto the FBI's radar. And in January of 85, the FBI in the Secret Service launched an investigation into allegations that Weaver had made these threats against Reagan and other government law enforcement officials. And so in the letters, Terry Kennison, the neighbor, he decided to tell the Secret Service that Weaver was a member of Aryan nations, right, and that he had a large weapons cash

Starting point is 01:18:58 at his residence. And on February 12th in 1985, two FBI agents, two secret service agents, and the county sheriff, plus the chief investigator, interviewed Vicki and Randy, accusing him of being a member of Aryan Nations due to the fact that during their month-long investigation, they had witnessed him associating with a man by the name of Frank Kumnik, who was known to associate with members of the Aryan nations, which is just ridiculous. Hey dude, you've hung out with that one guy and he has some friends that are associated with the Aryan nations, so therefore you're a Nazi, you know? And so Weaver was

Starting point is 01:19:40 pissed like apparently in this interview, like he got mad at the investigators and and he said that neither him or Comnick were members of the Aryan Nations and described Cumnick as associated with a group called the Covenant Sword and arm of the Lord and he outright denied the allegations and the government filed no charges right right? But on February 28th, Randy and Vicki filed an affidavit with the county courthouse alleging that their personal enemies were plotting to provoke the FBI into attacking and killing the Weaver family. What? Like that alone, I'm like, dude, what is happening here? Like, could you imagine your neighbor being so pissed at you? He just sends all these threatening letters to all these government officials. Like, that is just so crazy in the first place.

Starting point is 01:20:35 But then, so nuts. Then, literally filing an affidavit that said that, blew my mind, right? And then, reportedly, by May 6th, the Weavers sent President Reagan a letter, and they claimed that their enemies may have sent Reagan a threatening letter under a forged signature, right? And so no evidence of any of these letters has ever surfaced. But in 1992, the prosecutor cited the 1985 letter as an overt act of the Weaver family conspiracy against the federal government, right?

Starting point is 01:21:13 And the Bureau of Alcohol Tobago and Firearms first became aware of Weaver in 86 when he was introduced to an ATF informant at a meeting of the Aryan nations. Okay, but this is weird, okay? Because this whole situation is, that sounds bad. And then I looked into it, and it turns out that Weaver was invited by that Frank Kumnik, who they had initially been targeting in the investigation. And apparently, uh, apparently, during his first and only appearance at this meeting, right, which it was kind of like an Elohim city situation, which led to the Oklahoma city where Tim McVeigh was apparently going to that, right outside of Oklahoma, to that compound or whatever, that

Starting point is 01:21:58 was literally just a bunch of government informants, like basically, you know, which is insane. But it's very similar to that because, guess what? At this meeting place, the only time, the one and only time that Weaver went was because his buddy had invited him to go. And when they went, guess who was there? A bunch of ATF informants, and FBI informants, right? And they're all infiltrating the meeting. And so during that first and only appearance, Randy was introduced to Gus Magasono,

Starting point is 01:22:32 all right, and that's an alias for Kenneth Fadley, who was a paid undercover, BATF informant in the Aryan nations, and introduced himself to Frank Kumnik as a weapons dealer, right? And so Kumnick, who was the original target of the ATF investigation, subsequently introduced him to Randy, which led to them exchanging contact information. And Randy and Gus, the confidential informant, seemingly became friends over the course of three years and met several times between the years 86 and 89. And Randy thought they were friends like he like started trusting this guy and he had only met him at this one meeting and then both of them never apparently went back according to all the evidence.

Starting point is 01:23:20 And in October of 89, Magasono, this is where they start the entrapment operation basically. Because so I believe they had been told to target Frank Kumnick in order to flip him as an FBI informant, or an ATF informant. And so I think that he ended up just trying to flip Randy as well, if not instead. And they got pissed because Randy apparently, he asked Randy if he could acquire a mini gun. So first, I would be like, hey man, like, I'm a little skeptical this dude now, like he's asking you for a mini gun. Okay? So first, I would be like, hey man, like, I'm a little skeptical this dude now, like he's asking you for a mini gun, you know what I mean? And then he apparently, Randy even laughed, which I thought was hilarious, which I had read that Randy's reaction was to laugh at that. And then he said no to the FBI informant, or to the ATF informant, who then proceeded to ask him if he was willing to sell him two shotguns with the barrel sawed off.

Starting point is 01:24:30 Even showing Randy where to cut after Randy had initially began the cut at the legal limit. Something you could easily do, I mean that's immediately suspicious because that's something anybody can do. It's like, no shit man, that's crazy crazy I mean you could just do it yourself and then claim that Randy did this and sold it to you. We live in crazy times. Don't we just live in crazy times. We really do brother. What so When he asked him that it just so happened that Randy had two shotguns with him, right? This is the story. And so Randy was, apparently he was strapped for cash is the story. And he inevitably said, all right, and sold him two shot off shotguns for $300.

Starting point is 01:25:20 And in November of 89, only one month after the transaction, this is weird as hell, because it would, like, consider this, Magasono was the ATF informant, right? He's the one who's trying to flip Randy. But in November, less than a month after the transaction with the Soutov shotguns with the ATF informant, he's approached by an FBI informant. Not ATF, an FBI informant. And. And. And, and, and, and th. And, and this, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, th, th, th, th, th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, thea, thea, thea, thea''a'a'a'a'a, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, FBI informant, not ATF, an FBI informant. And this dude decides to tell him, he tips him off, and he tells him that the friend he sold the shotguns to was a BATF informant. I just like to me, why is the FBI informant ratting out the ATF informant?

Starting point is 01:26:05 That was weird to me. You know, I didn't understand why that would even be a part of the story. And maybe that's a way to get his trust so they could take it over. It's possible. It's possible. It's possible. It's possible. It's possible.

Starting point is 01:26:20 Yeah, we know, at least if we believe what's been reported, that none of them play nice with each other. They all hate each other and have... Exactly, man. Rivalries. For sure. But I just, I'm like, that racked my brain. I could not understand why that would happen.

Starting point is 01:26:36 But that would be the case. So, eight months after this, a couple of BATF agents approached Weaver and asked him to served, to served, to serve, to serve, to serve, to serve, to serve, to serve, to serve, to serve, to serve, to serve, to serve, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to serve, to to to to to told, told, the, the, told, told, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they. And, they. And, they. they. too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, their,F agents approached Weaver and asked him to serve as an informant within the Aryan nations. They then told him they didn't have a warrant, but they did have incriminating conversations on tape between him and Gus. And so then they threatened him with an arrest and confiscation of his truck or house if he didn't cooperate. And Randy, this made me like him, like on a personal level. But later, I liked him even more because of what he said to them

Starting point is 01:27:12 when they're dragging out his wife's body, spoiler alert, you know. But anyway, so Randy replied, fuck off. And so then they asked him again, and he repeated that repeated that line, which I admire that. So anyway, in December 1990, Randy was indicted for manufacturing, possessing and selling illegal firearms, which the difference between legal and illegal in this case was about a quarter of an inch of a barrel per gun and a $200 tax stamp, right? And so on January 17th 91, two BATF agents posing as a couple having engine trouble with a pickup truck calling a camper stopped on the one-lane bridge leading to the Weaver property.

Starting point is 01:28:00 Randy and Vicky, dude, this pissed me off because I'm like, would you imagine? Okay, these people are monsters, they're terrible. They, Randy and Vicki pull over to help these people. Okay? That's just insane to me. And then Randy looked under the hood and a male agent stuck a 45 caliber pistol to the back of his neck and announced he was under arrest. Other law enforcement agents piled out of the camper, Vicky Weaver was thrown face down

Starting point is 01:28:29 into the snow and mud, and Randy was taken into custody and later released on a $10,000 bond. The trial, this is where it gets insane because this became the pretext, right? This was like setting the stage for how they would escalate this to such a degree, man. So the trial was originally set for February 19th, 91, and then it was changed to February 20th for the convenience of the BATF. But probation officer Carl Richens sent Weaver a letter, dated February 7th, instructing him to appear on March 20th. Although assistant U.S. attorney Ron Howin, who later acted as prosecutor, he knew Weaver had been sent an erroneous notification, and he appeared before the grand jury on March

Starting point is 01:29:18 14th, six days before the date Richens gave Weaver, and he got an indictment for failure to appear on February 20th, even though that was the wrong date sent to Weaver. Oh, yep, that's it. I remember that they gave him the wrong date. Yeah, so they gave him a month before and he didn't show, or they gave him a month after for March 20th, and it was truly said on February 20th, and so when it was th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's that's, that's th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th.. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that he didn't show, they didn't wait till March 20th, which to see if he would show for that, which is the actual date he was given. They instead, six days before March 20th,

Starting point is 01:29:54 decided they were going to give to, to have a file for an indictment, basically, which they did get, I mean, on a failure to appear. And so on February 26th, a reporter telephoned the U.S. Probation Office and asked whether the reason that Weaver did not show in court on February 20th was that the letter sent to him by Richens and was had the incorrect date, right? And upon finding a copy of the letter, the chief probation officer Terrence Hummel contacted Judge Ryan's clerk and informed them of the incorrect date, and in the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their teauteuanteanteanteanteauanteauanteanteanteanteanteanted. tea tea tea tea tea tea tea tea tea tea toldor toldor toldor told report told report told report their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their report the chief probation officer, Terrence Hummel, contacted Judge Ryan's clerk and informed them of the incorrect date in the letter. Hummel also contacted the U.S. Marshals Service and Weaver's attorney, informing them of the error, but the judge, however, refused to withdraw the bench warrant setting the stage.

Starting point is 01:30:42 So that's when, in February 91, the United States Marshals Service developed a threat source profile on Weaver, and agents' failure to integrate new information into that profile was criticized in a 95 report by a subcommittee of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which they said, right, the subcommittee is concerned that as marshals investigating the Weaver case learned facts that contradicted information they previously had been provided, they did not adequately integrate their updated knowledge into their overall assessment of who Randy Weaver was or what threat he might pose. So, from the beginning, they were already,

Starting point is 01:31:29 I think that somebody had a heart on for Randy, and they, 100%, somebody was either pissed that they couldn't get this guy to flip, and they just wanted to infiltrate this group. But at a certain point, they were looking for a press off. You know, I mean, that's what happened. And so, if the marshals made any attempt to assess the credibility of the various people who gave them information about Weaver, they never recorded their assessments. All right.

Starting point is 01:31:59 And rather than maintaining the threat source profile as a living document, the marshals added new reports to an ever expanding file, and the threat source profile as a living document, the marshals added new reports to an ever-expanding file and their overall assessment never really changed. And these problems apparently rendered it difficult for other law enforcement officials to assess the Weaver case accurately without the benefit of first-hand briefings from persons who had continuing involvement with him. Right? without the benefit of first-hand briefings from persons who had continuing involvement with him. And in a memorandum by Deputy Attorney General, Jamie Gorlick, this was dated April 5th and

Starting point is 01:32:34 95. They cited the U.S. Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism Ruby Ridge report from 96, which opined that the assumptions of federal and some state and local law enforcement personnel about Weaver, that he was a green beret, that he would shoot on site anyone who attempted to arrest him, and that he had collected certain types of arms that he had booby trapped and tunnelled his property, right? Like that's all the things that they're telling investigators at the time is that he had literally, he's an ex-green beret. This is his profile, that he would shoot anyone on site who attempted to arrest him and he had collected certain types of arms

Starting point is 01:33:18 who be trapping his freaking property and they acted like he had tunnels all over the place. And so a plan was fornels all over the place. And so a plan was for sure implemented at the Marshal Service headquarters in Arlington. And a deputy named Art Roderick came up with a long-term three-part campaign he called Operation Northern Exposure, which is when things get out of hand. And that's the first phase, which was to gather more intelligence. The second was to conduct intensive surveillance, rigging up the entire tree line. And I even found out that apparently after they had rigged up the whole tree line of the property

Starting point is 01:33:59 with all these surveillance equipment from the FBI and ATF and Marshal Service, like one of the, so Sammy and Sarah, who were the kids, the 14-year-old little boy and then the 16-year-old, I think she was 17 by the time it happened, Sarah. And they were like best friends, they did everything together. And they would always go out on the property with Sammy's little mini-14 and And they would hunt game, right? And apparently they were out playing in the in the woods and they stumbled on one of these cameras, right? And this is like right after Randy had gotten arrested.

Starting point is 01:34:42 Randy had been and they tried to make him flip, all of this. And so he was realizing that things were a little more serious by that point, right? Because like his kid walked up and stumbled onto a freaking camera, right? In the woods, on your property. And then runs home to their dad and tells them, look what we just found. Like, imagine the paranoia at that point, you know. That's that's that's that's that's that's. That's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's to their dad and tells them, look what we just found. Like, imagine the paranoia at that point, you know. That's insane. We're back, sorry, how to use the bathroom.

Starting point is 01:35:11 So where were we? The kid just discovered the camera. Right, right. Yep. So after. So I just want to get back to the memorandum by Deputy Attorney General Jamie Corlick Because that was a huge problem like that threat source profile You know like if every single investigator a person responding to that scene right?

Starting point is 01:35:45 Truly believed that that character source profile, I mean that that's crazy man. I mean, they're saying that he would shoot anyone on site right so that effectively means that they believed they should change the rules of engagement you know but anyway that was a threat source profile circulating at the time internally which to me was entirely exaggerated and just false right but the other thing is too like if you think somebody okay? But the other thing is too, like if you think somebody, okay, they got their property booby trapped, they have the equivalent to a small militia, you know, in armaments,

Starting point is 01:36:13 maybe we arrest them while they're out in town getting groceries, maybe we don't go to their compound and engage in, you know, a military operation, I right? Any government agency with any sense would have done that, which I mean, sense, you know, is a rare thing in government agencies, but I mean obviously you don't go to the, if you really believe that, you don't show up there and, and, you know, try to storm the castle. I mean, it's insane. Exactly. I mean, one of the investigators, even like, I believe, is actually one of the negotiators that were negotiating for the FBI and ATF at the time and they 100% asked the question why can I just go up there and talk to him right which was never apparently on

Starting point is 01:36:58 the table which to me is just I mean the high impact event exactly exactly so they So they were attempting to escalate in my opinion but so after the plan they had the US Marshals had set you know they had basically hatched this plan at the headquarters in Arlington and and they had like a long-term three-part campaign. And that's why they went away for a few months after rigging up the property with surveillance cameras, right? And so then that's when Geraldo Rivera apparently flew over the property, which is totally insane. Like, why would that even happen? And when that happened, reports came out that apparently Randy had shot, people at the property had shot at the helicopter,

Starting point is 01:37:54 which is when Randy decided to call into a local news channel, like a local radio and news radio, and he 100% rejects that entire scenario and claims that that never happened and then like I said earlier the helicopter pilot also said that Geraldo had lied and that that never occurred and so we know that didn't happen but I just thought it was crazy. Operational Mark Mockingbird, Geraldo is just a bag of dicks. Exactly but imagine being a Randy and you see these reports

Starting point is 01:38:27 that you fired on a helicopter, dude. Like a media helicopter. Yeah, and so he freaked out and called a local news channel and then completely denied all of that, which I thought was interesting. But anyway, so it was Horaldos, now it can be told TV show, right? And Richard Weiss was the helicopter pilot who completely denied it. And that didn't stop the U.S. Marshal Service and Wayne Duke Smith, right, which was an FBI's

Starting point is 01:38:59 Richard Rogers, right? So that was the Marshal Service guy, was Wayne Duke Smith, and FBI's Richard Rogers are the guys who allegedly used the shooting to justify the new issuing of the new rules of engagement, right? And so that, to me, is such a huge part of the story because that's immediately when it became shoot on site. So the rules of engagement, different to FBI standard deadly force policy, several snipers testified later that they considered those

Starting point is 01:39:32 orders to be a green light to shoot on site. And so according to the document presented in court, these special rules of engagement were drafted and approved by the FBI and the United States Marshals Service on Saturday, August 22nd for use on Ruby Ridge. The new rules of engagement stated, if any adult in the area around the cabin is observed with a weapon after the surrender announcement had been made, deadly force could and should be used to neutralize the individual. If any adult male is observed with a weapon prior to the announcement, deadly force can and should be employed if the shot can be taken without endangering any children.

Starting point is 01:40:17 If compromised by any dog, the dog can be taken out. Geez. Killed the dog too. Right, right. Any subjects other than Randy Weaver, Vicki Weaver and Kevin Harris presenting threat of death or grievous bodily harm FBI rules of deadly force apply. So deadly force can be utilized to prevent the death or grievous bodily injury to one self or that of another. And that was the deadly force policy that they decided to prevent the death or grievous bodily injury to one self or that of another.

Starting point is 01:40:45 And that was the deadly forest policy that they decided to use the new rules of engagement. And that's literally the document they presented in court, which is crazy to me. So now what it clearly it escalated into an 11-day siege, which resulted in the murder of three people and the family dog striker. And it began on August 21st on 92, when six US Marshals outfitted in military camis, night vision goggles, and brandishing M16 assault rifles were sent to scout for a suitable area away from the cabin where they would be able to apprehend an arrest Weaver. Official reports from 94 state that three of the deputy US Marshals would form a reconnaissance team consisting of Art Roderick, Larry Cooper, and William Bill Deegan, while three others would form an observation post team on the North Ridge from

Starting point is 01:41:46 the cabin, right? And so multiple reports have Roderick throwing two rocks at the Weaver cabin in order to test the dog's reaction, which in turn provoked the dog right? And Weaver's friend Kevin Harris and Weaver's 14-year-old son Sammy followed after the dog in hopes that the dog had noticed a game animal which and since the cabin was out of meat, which that's literally how they ate. They were consistently just hunting for their food. And the recon team had reportedly retreated through the woods to a wide junction in the trails about 500 yards west of the cabin in an effort to remain out of sight. With Sammy and and Kevin, they, and Kevin. They, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, and, and, the, and, and, and, the, and, and, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their their their tha, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, thea, their their their their their their the in the trails about 500 yards west of the cabin in an effort to remain out of sight. With Sammy and and Kevin they followed Stryker on foot through the woods while Randy also on foot took a separate logging trail. Vicky, Sarah and Rachel, which Vicky or Sarah is like the 17-year-old daughter and then Rachel's 10 years old and

Starting point is 01:42:46 baby Elishiba is like 10 months old she's just a baby right and and they just stayed at the cabin clearly they're not going to go out and follow striker but so anyway Randy encountered the marshals at the Y Roderick claimed to have yelled rotterick, remember, he's a deputy US Marshal. He claimed to have yelled back off US Marshal upon citing Weaver, and Cooper said he had shouted, stop US Marshal, right? But Kevin later claimed, and he claimed this in court as well, and it seemed way more legitimate that none of them actually, like none of them actually disclosed that

Starting point is 01:43:26 they were U.S. Marshals before the shooting started. And so it was a huge debate in court, like who shot first and that it was a consistent narrative, right, like fed to the public, like these people shot first. It was a lot like Waco who's, anyway. So, by their account, okay, and this was summarized in U.S. Senate Subcommittee report on Ruby Ridge, but by their account, Sammy and Stryker came out of the woods about a minute later when the marshals' position was revealed by the dog Stryker, and which, by the way, the story goes that Stryker runs up to the U.S. Marshals and playfully circles them, and the, and, and, and, and, and them, and them, and them, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, and their, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thir, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s is is is is is is thi-s is thi-s is thi-s is thi-s is thi-s is thi-s is thi-s is thi-s is thi-s is thi-s is thi-s is thi-s, thi-s, is thiatsuiats, thi-s, thi-s, thi-s, thi, the story goes that Stryker runs up to the U.S. Marshals and playfully

Starting point is 01:44:08 circles them and then circles the other one and then starts to go back to Sammy and Kevin and they shoot the dog in the back. They shoot the dog while it's running back to 14-year-old Sammy, right? That's, I'm just like, consider, I mean, like I said, I grew up in Arkansas, right? I grew up on the farm, like, I have my dog and we were out on the farm like this. And dude, if anybody, I don't care who you are, if you shot my dog in front of me,

Starting point is 01:44:38 and I had a gun on me, I'm gonna shoot you probably like John Wickham you got a John Wickham. I'm a seriously consider it bro you know like I mean I wouldn't be surprised especially you're just a temperamental 14 year old kid man I mean I was out of control already so but plus they're on your property you know I mean consider that they're on your property killing your dog in front of you but anyway so Roderick shot the dog, and Sammy saw it, right? And he reportedly yelled to the marshals, you've killed my dog, you son of a bitch. And then he shot in their direction, right? And did you know there's like a movie, like almost like a lifetime movie with like Dennis Quaid and like Laura

Starting point is 01:45:25 Dern plays Vicky and Kirsten Dunce plays Sarah and like it's such a cartoon but anyway so after that crazy times dude it is crazy times man but so Cooper then shot towards Sammy and and shot at Kevin as well to the times too to the times too. It to the times to the to the to to the the. It. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. But so Cooper then shot towards Sammy and shot at Kevin as well, who both sought cover. And Harris, once finding cover behind a tree stump, returned fire with one unaimed shot, which eventually killed William Francis Bill Deegan, who by the way, conveniently is who they claim is the one who fired the shots that killed Sammy while he was running away

Starting point is 01:46:06 Which is very you know who knows the ballistics kind of tell a different story But that was never a much of a concern So anyway, it turns out that while? Sammy's running away retreating up the hill. He was shot in the back by Francis Bill Deegan and killed. Uh, uh, no, I'm sorry. Bill Deegan was killed by Kevin Harris. Okay? And, and then Sammy was killed by Marshall Cooper. Okay? And, uh, and so, it's a, it's an insane story. And then Kevin Harris would later dispute certain details of the U.S. Marshals' account, including the fact that only after the shooting had started, and Deputy U.S. Marshal Cooper was forced to take cover did he identify himself as a U.S. Marshal.

Starting point is 01:46:56 So that was a huge part. And at this point, one of theirs died, right? So they got blood in the game. You know, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's,, right? So they got blood in the game. You know you have one of your own agents That's your home. That's your homie. You know that's that's how they looked at in my opinion. It's like They killed one of ours, which has to be You know you know you're going to cause a legit reaction with guys like that, you know like this. It's very similar. You know, it's very similar. It's thirty. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. the the the the the their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. that's th is very similar, you know, to Waco. So much so. But now it was serious, right? So if not already, but a few hours later, Marshall Dave Hunt, okay?

Starting point is 01:47:34 He goes over to the neighbor who had originally written all those letters about Randy, you know, killing the pope and assassinating the president. Well, he just so happened to let the marshals in. Yeah, use my phone, you know what I mean. So, right. So, right. So, so, so, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. th. So, th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, if it, th. So, th. So, if it, if it, if it, if it, if it, if it, if it, if it, if, if it, if it, if it, if it, if it, if, if, if it, if, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. th. thi. th. thi. thi. th. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th Pope and assassinating the president. Well, he just so happened to let the marshals in. Yeah, use my phone, you know what I mean? And so they all call and report that an agent had been killed, right? Stating that federal agents were trapped on a ridge in Naples taking heavy fire. That was the report, right? So, like much of the early story of Ruby Ridge, it was way, it was way, it was, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it was, it, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, you, it was, you, you, you, you know, you know, you know, you, you, you, you, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the the the the the the? So like much of the early story of Ruby Ridge, it was way, it was far less than true. You know, that was just a falsehood. That was not the case.

Starting point is 01:48:14 And so that triggered one of the largest law enforcement operations ever to occur in Idaho. And in, yeah, and so in the Justice Department report on the Ruby Ridge Task Force, shortly after the gunfight, the FBI was notified of the killing of a U.S. Marshal and the Marshal Service Special Operations Group was alerted to deploy. Cecil Andrews, Governor of Idaho, declared a state of emergency, allowing for the use of the Idaho National Guard Armory at Bonner's Ferry, and to use armored personnel carriers, APCs, better known as tanks without a turret, right? And an elite tactical unit called a hostage rescue team was sent from the FBI Academy

Starting point is 01:48:57 in Quantico, Virginia. And Eugene Glenn worked at the FBI office in Salt Lake City and was appointed site commander, also known as special agent in charge, responsible for all active individuals from the FBI, ATF, and U.S. Marshals, and on August 22nd, the FBI, under the impression they were entering an active, unprovoked firefight against U.S. Marshals, arrived on Ruby Ruby Ridge and hundreds of law enforcement officers. Have you ever seen pictures of the scene like where they have like they established a camp they had like carved out all these paths for the tanks to go through? It was a war zone. That's what it looked like. They had a massive

Starting point is 01:49:40 helicopter that was just sitting out there and so that was how they were treating this. And hundreds of law enforcement officers were present, right? And they were under the unusual orders to shoot any armed adult on site. FBI snipers set up a perimeter hoping to force Weaver to negotiate. That was the apparent, that was the apparent strategy, right? I mean look at that right there that looks like it's all military. That's what I mean, yeah, exactly. Unbelievable, dude. Is that insane? Wow, that's just ridiculous. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it is when I looked at the pictures myself and it's outrageous, I can't believe that they were staged that much like the camp looked like it was a war zone headquarters and you know what they

Starting point is 01:50:35 called the camp? Camp Vicky. Right? Yeah, and it's really weird because Bo Gritz talks about this later and I'll get into that because after they set up the snipers on the perimeter, it's just such a sad story too, but they so apparently after heading to the nearby shed, okay, where they brought Sammy's body because after Sammy was shot, okay, Vicky and, uh, and Randy, they decided to use the opportunity for the retreating agents to run and grab the body of Sammy. And so they went and grabbed Sami's body, took them back up and put him in like a small shack that they called a guest house, but it was, you know, their house was a shack and then this was just like, it looked like an outhouse basically.

Starting point is 01:51:30 But anyway, so Randy went to look at the body, right? And he just thought, I want to go see my son one last time. And so Harris went with him as well as the 16-year-old daughter Sarah, and that's when the FBI sniper, Lon Horucci, decides to fire shots, right? And before the negotiators arrived at the cabin, okay? So they're not even there, negotiating anything. And the FBI sniper, Lon Horucci, from a position over 200 yards north of the Weber cabin, shot and wounded Randy in the back, while he was lifting the latch on the shed to visit to to the body to the body to the body the body to to the body the body to the body to the body to the body the body to the body to the body the body the body to the body to the body to to to the the to the to to to the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theecuce, thea, the, the, the, theanananananananananneuuia.eaughtyycui.eaughea th theaughea thea theaughea, theaughea, thea, thber cabin, shot and wounded Randy in the back, while he was lifting the latch on the shed

Starting point is 01:52:08 to visit the body of his dead son. Now, the sniper would later claim that he thought the men were about to fire on a helicopter. Which to me just fit perfectly in the narrative with the Geraldo Rivera helicopter story, right? So, Weaver was hit. The bullet had entered his back and exited his right armpit, and he, Sarah and Harris, headed back to the apparent safety of the house. As the men approached the house, Vicky stood behind the front door, holding her infant daughter. For Yuji fired a second time.

Starting point is 01:52:43 This time, he hits Vicky in the face and kills her instantly. So the bullet also seriously injured Harris, who was standing behind Vicky. And Horiuchi later said he didn't know Vicky was in the doorway and had his sights on Harris. I don't believe that for a second. So, but I'll get into that in second. Chaos ensued as Harris, Weaver and his surviving family took cover in the cabin. And both Harris and Weaver wounded, Vicky and Sammy dead.

Starting point is 01:53:14 The situation was grim. It seemed to confirm the Weaver's darkest suspicions about the federal government and the imminent apocalypse. Yet, Weaver wouldn't give up, right? So outside the cabin, hundreds of protesters arrived to oppose the government's actions and grew increasingly agitated when they learned of the deaths of Sammy and Vicky. And they had all these signs like Fed shot first and your houses will be next, right? Like it was like super sad to be honest. But, and then also they were apparently all the agents were like, we don't, we can the, we the, we the, we th, we can th, we can, we can, we can, we can, we can, we can, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we th, th, th, we can't, we th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. the, the, the, the, the, theeeeeean, to, to, to, thoooooooooooooooooooooo, theto be honest. But, and then also they were apparently, all the agents were like, we don't, we can't go up there because we don't know how many people are in the house.

Starting point is 01:53:51 And all the neighbors except for, you know, what's his name, who would sit the letters? They're all like, no, we know how many people are in there, we know exactly who's in the house. There are neighbors, you know, and the feds just completely disregarded any of that. But so at that point, in order to really drive home, like the injustice, it's crazy what Sarah told to PBS, like what the 6, 17 year old girl told the PBS. She said this. She survived and she's so alive? Sarah's okay, yeah. Sarah's okay. It was just Sammy and Vicki that were murdered. And this is so nuts. Because Sarah, she told PBS and Randy and Sarah, after the fact, they wrote a book about their first-hand experience. It's really nuts.

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Starting point is 01:55:02 But listen to how this all ends. So first, let's listen to Sarah's personal account because it's so sad. So she tells PBS, the morning after Sammy had been killed was rainy, cold and quiet, until the dog started barking again, because they had another dog, which didn't die. But anyway, Sarah's dad and Kevin headed out to see if someone's the dogs start embarking again, because they had another dog, which didn't die. But anyway, Sarah's dad and Kevin headed out to see if someone was coming up the drive to finally talk about what had happened. But when they got out there,

Starting point is 01:55:36 the dogs had stopped and all was quiet again, or so it seemed to Sarah. She had followed the boys out to make sure that everybody was okay. She stood there looking out over the mountain and it was a little while before she realized that her dad had taken off towards the shed where they'd brought the body of her brother. I'm going to go see Sam one last time, he said, and Sarah followed him, feeling like she needed to keep an eye on everyone. Her dad made it around the corner the corner the corner the corner the corner the corner. to. to needed to keep an eye on everyone. Her dad made it around the corner of the shed before she could catch up, and that's when

Starting point is 01:56:07 she heard a gunshot. Sarah hurried over and found him around the other side of the shed, which stood between them and the mountain where the gunshot had come from. He was half-crouched, holding himself. He'd been shot. He seemed shocked and confused like he didn't realize what had happened. Sarah's survival instinct kicked in. She told her dad they had to get back to the house. She put her hand on his back and said, go. At that point, Sarah's mother came out on the front porch. She was holding the door open, asking what had happened. And Sarah's dad said he'd been shot

Starting point is 01:56:41 and she started screaming for them to get into the house. So crouching, Sarah and her dad headed toward the front porch with Kevin following behind them. Sarah was pushing her dad through the door next to her mom, who was holding baby Elishiba, and still screaming for them to get in when she heard this giant boom right in her ear, like somebody had fired a gun next to her. She felt things hit her face. Her mother dropped to the ground, and Kevin fell into the house from behind her. Sarah was still standing, not understanding anything.

Starting point is 01:57:14 It took her a second to comprehend that her mother had died, and that it was parts of her mother that had hit her face. Oh my God. Kevin was on the ground moaning. Her sister Rachel was screaming, her father was screaming, and Sarah's ears were still ringing. That's when her father scooped up baby Elishiba handed her to Rachel and pulled Sarah's mom into the house so they could close the door. At that moment, it seemed clear that these people weren't here to talk, that there would be no discussion. If Sammy's death had been an accident, Sarah thought, this this. thi. thi. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, and that, and that, and that, and that, and thr- that, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and thi, and thi, and thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi's thi, thi, and thi, thrc-c-s thrc-s thrc-s thrc-s thrc-s thrc-s thrc-s'''' thracea' thrc-s thracea, and thr-s thrc people weren't here to talk, that there would be no discussion.

Starting point is 01:57:46 If Sammy's death had been an accident, Sarah thought, this certainly wasn't. The family was being hunted. And I was just like, that made me cry when I read that out loud the first time, I'm not even playing. That's just so sad, dude. It really is. So as Kevin, as Kevin Harris, the friend, tumbled into the house, another shot from the sniper went through the glass window. And that's when it entered Vicky Weaver's temple, killing her instantly.

Starting point is 01:58:17 The bullet and fragments of Vicki's skull went on, went, that was what injured Kevin Harris, and in his arm and torso, even breaking a rib and puncturing one of his lungs. And he apparently even begged Randy like, dude, just kill me, bro, like, just take me out of my misery, you know, which was a part of why he let Kevin surrender a day earlier, which is really interesting story, but so the sniper, Lon Horucci, was a West Point graduate, armed with state-of-the-art sniping equipment

Starting point is 01:58:49 and trained to be accurate to within a quarter inch at 200 yards, okay? This is the guy who said it was an accident. He claims he missed Kevin and hit Vicky by accident. Lon Horuchi would also play a prominent role in the Waco siege less than six months after Ruby Ridge. And Bo Gritz, the guy I keep mentioning, the former Green Beret commander who eventually negotiated Randy Weaver's surrender, he said that after he became a negotiator, this is crazy. The FBI showed him a psychological profile of the family prepared for the marshal service before the

Starting point is 01:59:23 siege that described Vicki as the dominant member of the family. that Vicky was the maternal the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I keep thi, I keep I keep I keep the, I keep the, I keep the, I keep the, I keep thi, I keep I keep I keep I keep I keep I keep I keep I keep I keep I keep I keep I I keep I keep I keep I I keep I keep I I I keep I I keep I keep I I I keep I I keep I I the, I the, I I the, I the, I the, I the, I the, I the, I the, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thia.ea.ea, thia.ea.ea, thia, thia, before the siege that described Vicky as the dominant member of the family, that Vicki was the maternal head of the family, and Gritz told the Spokane spokesman review, I believe Vicky was shot purposely by the sniper as a priority target. The profile said, if you get a chance, take Vicky Weaver out. Right? And like, he, then later, like, Bo is a weird story. Like, he has like this crazy, very interesting perspective on Jonestown as well, by the way. And he apparently even trained a lot of the Afghan-Mujahideen fighters in America, at military bases in America, in the 80s.

Starting point is 02:00:08 Like he was training up Afghan Mujahideen, which became Al-Qaeda, you know, which is just so nuts. But anyway, he says like some crazy thing about a Jonestown, where he says, I think the Jonestown incident was an extension of in search of the Manchurian candidate. I think those people were conditioned to act in certain ways and would have probably just moved from the facility in Montreal where CIA mind control experiments were carried out under the direction of Dr. Ewan Cameron, who that guy got people to believe that the interrogators were their parents, like completely forgetting who their

Starting point is 02:00:54 parents were and breaking them down into infants, like they were newborn babies, and they had to spend years redeveloping an adult personality. It's like the craziest thing you could ever hear. And apparently he said that they would just send those people to Guyana in that case. And he said look at Jim Jones' background carefully. Whoa, that's crazy. He goes, he had a lot of intelligence contacts there for doing exactly what he did. It escalated once they killed Congressman Leo Ryan, which I think he was a huge thorn in the side.

Starting point is 02:01:33 Yeah. For at that time he was researching and investigating MK Ultra. Yep. And he was going to M. K. Ultra facilities. And like he was like such a radical congressman. I never heard of a congressman like faking as if he he would go into like San Quentin and act like undercover like he was a like he was going to prison to see how they treated prisoners like I that's just a crazy story but they killed him on purpose throughout that. I'll finish with Bo Gritz's little thing and then get back to Ruby Ridge, but he basically said that they had no other way to go, so they just tried to self-destruct the whole

Starting point is 02:02:14 mission, and that means the death of hundreds of people. As I point out in the book, the medical examiner there made, and made statements. Yeah, something Mutu. Leslie Mutu, I think was his name. He like blew open the whole Jonestown scenario. And he says, and we wouldn't even allow the bodies to be properly examined when they were brought back to the East Coast and turned in. So obviously it was a cover-up. Johnstown I think was an extension of MK Ultra from the CIA, and there are probably other experiments going on. Which I believe that. I mean, I don't think MK Ultra ever stopped either, you know, but-

Starting point is 02:02:53 No, they never stopped. Nobody went to jail, nothing. Yeah, well, dude. I'm almost dumb, thiii. thin. thii. to, I, I lot I apologize but no it's okay this we are been an insanely great episode so meanwhile upon arrival right or no I'm sorry both men in the cabin had sustained those terrible injuries, right? And so, let's see, the reports.

Starting point is 02:03:30 Yeah, yeah, here we go. This was crazy, man. So meanwhile, upon the arrival of the hundreds of federal agents surrounding the cabin, setting up a base of operations down the ridge, they would name, this was directly after they shot and killed Vicky, right? Because the negotiators haven't even arrived. Then they set up the camp. And after they had shot and instantly killed Vicky, they named the camp, Camp Vicky, right?

Starting point is 02:03:58 The base of operations. Yeah, dude. And so, and after the dead wife and mother and according to multiple reports Including the book co-written by Sarah and Randy Documenting their first-hand experience the negotiators during the siege after Vicky had been killed were taunting them every morning by using a loudspeaker and saying things like how is Vicky this morning? Did she make you breakfast? We had pancakes. We had blueberry pancakes. They would say shit like this. And apparently they even brought up Sammy saying something about playing with toys and

Starting point is 02:04:33 stuff like terrible, man. Oh my God. Yep. And the negotiators would admit to saying all these things over the loudspeaker and, but they later pretended in court that they didn't realize that they had been dead right that they were killed but that was the way of yeah honestly bro this shit's nuts it really is but so the report of the Ruby Ridge Task Force shows on August 23rd repeated attempts to negotiate with

Starting point is 02:05:03 Weaver via a bullhorn failed. There was no response from the cabin and later it would be reported that by Monday, August 24th, the fourth day of the siege, Danny Colson, the FBI director, or deputy assistant director, wrote a memo with the headline, something to consider. And listed four considerations. One, charge against Weaver is bullshit. Two, no one saw Weaver do any shooting. Three, Vicky has no charges against her. Four, Weaver's defense. He ran down the hill to see what dog was barking at.

Starting point is 02:05:43 Some guys in Camys shot his dog, started shooting at him, killed his son, Harris did the shooting, he is in pretty strong legal position. Both men in the cabin had sustained critical injuries and Vicki's body would spend the next 11 days lying in the kitchen covered with a sheet under the table. The standoff with the, yeah, with a with a 10 month old baby in that situation. They said when she was shot, the baby they thought was dead as well at first because it was only covered in blood. It's mother's blood, you know, like, oh my God.

Starting point is 02:06:19 So, here's where they finally decided to talk to these people. What a concept, you know? And so the standoff would ultimately resolve, it wouldn't ultimately resolve until the FBI allowed third-party civilian negotiators to become involved because Randy had become so distrustful. And by Sunday, August 30th, that's when Bo Gritz, the former special officer, Special Forces Officer and Green Beret commander would begin mediation, finally being allowed to approach the cabin in an effort to convince Randy that they could end this with a peaceful conclusion. That's too late for that, right? Yeah. So by this time, Kevin's wounds were like becoming infected seriously. And he urged Randy to, like, like, like I said, to to end, to end, to end, to end, to end, to end, to say, to end, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. they. they. they. they. tre, trueu.ea, trust.ea, trust.ea, trust.ea, trueu.ea.ea.ea. true. true. th. the the the th. the time Kevin's wounds were like becoming infected seriously and he urged Randy to,

Starting point is 02:07:08 like I said, to end his suffering. And so Randy allowed him to surrender and Harris was airlifted out by an Air Force medical evacuation helicopter to a medical facility in Spokane. And that same day, Randy also negotiated the removal of Sammy and Vicky's bodies. And this is crazy. The story goes here that four agents in full body armor came into the cabin and picked up Vicki's body with Randy holding a gun in hand and and stopped and he stopped them and he said, I'll kill you if you let their body, if you let her body tou tou toub tou toub. Right? And I I I I I I I I I I I I I was I was I was I was I was just. th. th. th. I was just. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. their. th. th. th. th. toe. toe. toe. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the the th. the th. the the kill you if you let their body, if you let her body touch the ground. And I was just like, this guy, I love this guy.

Starting point is 02:07:49 Right, like he's a hero, man. So I'm here to close this out, says the commander of the FBI hostage rescue team told Grits, he would resolve the standoff by launching an all-out tactical assault if he couldn't get the remaining weavers to surrender by a certain deadline. And so the next day, August 31st, Grits would finally convince Randy to surrender by explaining to him this was their last chance to get out of the cabin alive and he had to leave in order to save his remaining children. In the end, according to Gritz, the decision came down to 16-year-old daughter Sarah, who by

Starting point is 02:08:30 this time had become so terrified the government wouldn't keep its end of the bargain. She had become super reluctant to let her father surrender, and Grits recalled her dad saying, Sarah, we've got to do this. And finally, Sarah agreed. So she was like, paranoid, out of her mind, 16-year-old little girl. And then there's a book written by Jess Walter about this that's super critical piece. It's a great book. But he says this, and it's so poignant, man. I mean,

Starting point is 02:09:08 I really, in the nine years since the standoff at Ruby Ridge, and in the six years since this book first appeared, much has happened, yet little has changed. And by the way, this book's called, Ruby Ridge, the truth and tragedy of the Randy Weaver family. And he says, tens of millions of dollars have been spent on hearings and investigations that failed to resolve the most basic questions about the standoff. Almost 3.5 million dollars was paid out in settlements that settled nothing. Nine years later, the courts are still flip-flopping over whether a federal agent should be tried for his actions at Ruby Ridge. Investigators, lawyers, and federal officers are still debating who shot first. Top FBI officials are still denying that they approved the Bureau's unprecedented and illegal

Starting point is 02:09:58 orders to shoot civilians without provocation. And nine years later, the sniper who killed Vicky Weaver still works for the FBI. The case continues to hum on internet websites and scream from right-wing newspapers. The words Ruby Ridge are fixed at the bottom of every news story about the 10-year crisis of confidence and competence in the FBI. And every time a person holds up in a ramshackle house. Every time a suspect refuses to come out, every time a person accuses the government of going too far, someone is likely to say, we don't want this to become another Ruby Ridge. The Weaver case gave a name to that sometimes dangerous space between people and their government.

Starting point is 02:10:47 It brought paranoia into the mainstream. For how can you convince people that their government isn't out to get them, when on Ruby Ridge, the FBI gave itself permission to shoot its own citizens? How can you tell people to trust the government that covered up details of the case and assigned agents to investigate themselves? So, we live in crazy times dude. We live in crazy times. I'll basically end this with a Tolstoy quote. All right, because this to me, and this is how I started it in my podcast about Ruby Ridge. Very short, but he just... It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's th. It's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's th, it's to. It's to. to, it's thi. thi. to to to to to to thi, thi, the their their their their their their their their their their their their. thi. thi. th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. thi. thi. thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiia. It's thi. It's thi. thi. It's thi. me and this is how I started it in my podcast about Ruby Ridge. Very

Starting point is 02:11:25 short but he just it's crazy because he said this so many years ago and and we really have to ask ourselves like who was the real enemy to fear that day right I mean it's pretty simple question to answer in my mind, but this Tolstoy quote says, Understand then all of you, especially the young, that to want to impose an imaginary state of government onto others by violence is not only a vulgar superstition, but even a criminal work. Understand that this work, far from assuring the well-being of humanity, is only a lie, a more or less unconscious hypocrisy, camouflaging the lowest passions we possess.

Starting point is 02:12:19 Damn, dude, that's great. Thank you so much. Austin, you crushed it. I really do appreciate it, dude. You came in here, you dropped the hammer of the gods on us. Real quick, tell them where they can find you again. So my podcast is called the Underclass Podcast. You can follow me on Twitter at Underclass Pod. And then Instagram is the Underclass Podcast.

Starting point is 02:12:46 And I want to say really quickly, man, I appreciate you guys. Seriously, thank you, Sam. I'm such a big fan of you guys. Like, Tenfoil, you're seriously, you're my Joe Rogan, like straight up, I say that. You're very nice. No, I'm not playing, but I have most, I have way more body fat. But I don't say this just to to make you feel good for having me on or anything.

Starting point is 02:13:20 Honestly, you guys like it's weird because when you listen to a podcast, you know how it is like it feels like you know these people. Right, but so I've spent a lot of time wishing I could say something in response, you know what I mean? Like, oh shit. But anyway, I just want to say, I this it it it it it it it i, I, I this, I, I this. I this, I this. I this. I to say, I to say, I to say, I to say, I to say, I to say, I to say, I to say, I don't, I don't say, I don't say, I don't say, I don't, I don't say, I don't say, I don't say, I don't say, I don't say, I don't say, I don't say, I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I this. I don't, I this. I this. I this. I this. I this. I this. I this. I this. I this. I th, I th, I th, I th, I th th th th th th th to say, I don't say, I don't say, I don't say, I don't say to say to say th thi thi thi thi thi to say thi thi thi thi to say thi to say thi thi thi thi. I don't say lot of time wishing I could say something in response. You know what I mean like But anyway, I just wanted to say man. I'm a huge fan. I admire you. I admire you for having Just having such an open mind and being willing to have a conversation with almost anyone and just trying to discern for yourself What is true and what is not and and that's all we can expect from people you know is like that's that's the best kind of body? I???? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I? I the best kind? I the best kind? I the best kind? I th. I th. I th. I'm? I'm? I'm? I'm? I'm? I'm? I'm? I'm? I the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm just th. I'm just try thru. I'm just try try. I try try. I try try to say. I to to thi to? And that's all we can expect from people. You know, it's like, that's the best kind of person. You're a G. So go check out the links below. Check out Austin's show. I want to thank everybody again who's contributed to the go, the Indy go-go for Chaos Twins. And if you haven't, please help us. We're trying to put together the best possible Project we can product we want to put out a wonderful

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Starting point is 02:14:50 Which was the Bill Burr situation? Okay. Yeah, Bill Burr? I'm a huge fan and I consider him a friend getting a lot of shit right now getting a lot of shit about him and his wife. We're at the UFC fight. Donald Trump comes in, gets a humongous standing-o. Let's remember this. Donald Trump gets a huge standing-o, comes in with Tucker Carlson, Kid Rock, the Trump brothers. That's a cool group, huh? Right? I mean, it's fun. So, so he comes in and... Here's a video. So, so there's a shot of Trump, Bill Burr's behind him, and his wife is there and-

Starting point is 02:15:37 Trump is standing and Burr and his wife are seated behind tru and the crowd. Hit a play. Hit. wife are seated behind Trump in the crowd. Hit a play, hit play. All right, here. Let me just play that one more time, but I'm muted. That was it. Now some people try to play it off that she's flipping off Kit Rock, but he's not there. Well, she could just be flipping off the camera, I guess. She is flipping off the camera, but she knows exactly who they're shooting. Yeah, yeah, I don't know what's your thoughts and then I'll give my I don't care. I just don't care about this Johnny let me just tell you something.

Starting point is 02:16:10 I have a lot more respect for her doing that than all of these dog shit people in Texas and I love Texas who are cheering George Bush Jr. at all these sporting events like I have way more respect for that. Yeah and listen, this isn't a this is in an arena where he got a standing. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that me me th. th. th. th. th. th me me me me me me me. th me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me th me th me me th me me th me th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. the the th. the th. the th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to t. ttel. to to to tel. tel. to to tel. tell. tell. the the the respect for that. And listen, this isn't a, this is in an arena where he got a standing O and one person's flipping them off. Okay? I mean, I am for this. This is the first amendment. This is what you're supposed to do. I wish I would love Bill Burr is thinking. Oh, you know, listen, even though he probably agrees with the sentiment, he's probably like, ugh, uh, yeah.

Starting point is 02:16:45 And listen, again, I love Bill Burr, I'm team Bill Burr, I'll always be on team Bill Burr, I'll always defend comedians when cancel culture comes. And I don't know if it's coming for him, but they're giving a lot of shit to his wife. And you know, I don't have a problem with it. He just got he just got an arena Applotting for him one person and this is Sam Tripoli doing stand-up Basically what everybody else is doing. I'm crushing in the room and one person's mean mugging me me me yeah, okay? I just I'm okay. I don't care. I don't have a problem with it. I don't have any problems with I love it. I love it. You can't do that now the question is? I? I? I? I. I. I. I. I just. I just. I just. I just. I just. I just. I just. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. I true. I true. I'm true. I'm true. I'm. I'm. I'm true. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm tr true. I'm it. You can't do that. Now, the question is, is she representing Bill Burr the best at this moment? No, of course not. And that's, that, that is an issue between him and her. And I want to say to anybody here that is really upset with this and upset with Bill Burr. And this goes back to my RFK things with his wife.

Starting point is 02:17:47 I was just thinking it. Right? It's like when you're with strong-minded women, they do what they want to do. And it's like, like RFK said, sometimes you're not the king of your castle all the time. Yeah, sometimes you're not the king of your own castle. But, but, but. There's a spider web across the camera.

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Starting point is 02:19:08 Yeah. I mean, yeah, no, he gave a lot of people money that didn't deserve it. He's the guy that put up Black Rock and charge the Fed. And listen, I prefer him over the other guys. He kept on droning innocent people. He, he's the guy the guy he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he. He's he. He's. He's. He's he. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's the. He's the. He's the. He's the the the the the the the. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He. He. He's, innocent people. He, he, he's the guy that made it, try to make it an EO, executive order to ban free speech on campuses for Israel. Okay? So, like, there's a lot of reasons you should be giving double fingers, okay? I like Trump. He's a president. You should be able to do truth to power. That's my opinion. You like Trump? I, well, Johnny, if I had to pick, it's, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, they. He, they. He, they. they. they. they. they. try. try. try. try. try. try. try. to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, should be able to do truth of power. That's my opinion. You like Trump? I, well, Johnny, if I had to pick, it's like, hey, who's your favor?

Starting point is 02:19:49 Nobody's making you pick. What? You don't have to pick those. Well, I mean, if we're picking out of the presidents, I like him more than the other ones, but I don't think. He seems to be more nationalist than the rest of them, but, or, or localist, or patriotic. I think he's completely self-interested and whatever side of these issues that worked the best for him, yeah, beyond. Because he used to be, he used to be, he used to be wildly like pro-abortion. He was Democrat. He was a Democrat. And then he, I think he saw this opening this opening this opening this opening this opening thi the opening thi the opening thi thi thi the opening thi he's thi thi he's he's wildly thi the opening thi thi, he's wildly the opening thi, he's wildly thi, he's wildly thi, he's thi, he's wildly, he's thi. He's thioli. He's thiol-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea-hea, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's th. He's th. He's thi And then he I think he saw this opening. He's a smart guy. There's no diet denying that. He saw this opening to become the president and pursue power.

Starting point is 02:20:31 And he took it, you know, and and we're just fortunate that many of these issues that benefit us as a country also happen to be, what would you say, expeditious for him. So, yeah. Anyway, so, so, I do, and I love how he tweaks the left. I fucking love that. Yeah, I do the people that don't like him are the people I don't like. So, yeah, exactly. It's like with Elon.

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Starting point is 02:21:46 Andrew Jackson, dude, he killed the, he killed so many people. Yeah, but he got rid of the Fed and I'm okay with that. He killed a lot of Indians. Okay, I'm sorry to the Indians. I will go to your casinos and make up for. You could say you love Lincoln, I mean, did a war, I, I, I, they're all war criminals, bro. I it's like who's your favorite war? It's like who's your favorite horror flick slasher, right? It's like I like Jason Borees. I like Freddy Groger. It's like they're all psychopath murderers. Right. I've been reading the Civil War books on something.

Starting point is 02:22:18 Team Bielber. I personally wouldn't do that to my significant other. That's just me. That's my opinion. I've been reading those. But I'm on team burr. Speaking of presidents, I've been reading those civil war books I was telling you about. And it's, yeah, Lincoln, dude, complicated guy. But the thing that impressed me most about all of them is that they were, thin. We think thinked thinked thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thin. thi. thi. thin. thin. thin. th. th. I'm th. I'm thin. I'm thi. I'm. I'm. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. toa. toa. theee. toe. thee. thea. theea. the. thea. the. the. 't changed. They were so sassy back then. The guy who wrote the books has all the documents, all the telegraphs that they sent back

Starting point is 02:22:48 and forth privately to each other, were all saved and became public record. They were so sassy to each other. The president to the generals, the generals to each other. What were they like? Like, theyn't, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. th. they, th. th. they, they, they, they, they, they, they, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all, all. they, all. they, all. they, all. they, all. they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they. they, they. they. they. they. they. they're they're they're they're th. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. they're they're they're they they're they they they they they they they hey, could I borrow the army since you don't seem to be doing anything with it? I mean, that's like a direct quote. That's all I love. Yeah, and it's just so much sass going on. Well, I think that's much better than the presentation. Like when you hear Nixon, he's like, oh, they're doing a lot of gay shit and bohaving girl. I'm like, I'm like, I'm down. Yeah, I'm. Yeah. I'm just. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there's just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just so just so just so just so just so just so just just just just just so just so just so just so just so just so just so just so just so just so just so just so just so just so just so just so just so just so just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just. the. the. the. the. the. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. there. start going on, you know, doing the circuit and talking normally. And you're like, why don't you do that when you're running? Well, it's my old thing is like, you know, the thing that people hate about Trump, is that like he was very brash. But I like that. Hey guys, real quick I want to tell you about a couple things you can find find on a thin on a thin on a thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thin' thi thi thi thi thi that thi thi thi thi that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that you you you that you you that you that that that to to that to to to to find thi to find to thi to thi to thi to thi thi thi you to thi you to to to thi to to to thi to thi thi you to to th, video, all there of all my podcast across the board. You can also get my dates there. You can also get t-shirts there. We are adding t-shirts all the time.

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Starting point is 02:25:39 And I mean, $700,000, that's an insane number for basically Los Angeles. Thousand Oaks is more Ventura, but still, that's like that's an insanely good area. Three bedroom, even if it's a jump, you could take $300,000 put in there, and you'd still be break even. Yeah, I mean, you know, we still don't have a lot of supply rates are high. I think they are going to come down.

Starting point is 02:26:08 But I think we're going to see prices drop, man. I mean, in certain areas, I think in New York, they're going to drop. They're just, they're still high. There's no supply. There's a ton of, there's still is demand. But I just see prices at some point will drop a little bit and the bottom line is even if they don't if interest rates drop houses will become more affordable. That's what we want. So I see them raising rates one more time and that's it. But hopefully the CPI number comes in slow tomorrow and that'll help everything. Good shit, man. The economy is in decent shape right now. People are still working.

Starting point is 02:26:46 Wages are solid. I mean, you know, it could be a lot worse. And you know, people ask, they say, well, what about all these geopolitical problems? Like we got a war in Ukraine. There's a war in Israel. The market doesn't seem to give a shit, man. I mean, you know, war is horrible. It's not good. Nobody wants.

Starting point is 02:27:05 War is horrible. Yeah, it's nobody wants it. But, you know, I don't have a saying what goes on. So, you know, let's look, I still like oil and energy. I think that's gonna go higher. The Middle East isn't gonna calm down anytime soon. I mean, we mean, we're bombing some of these guys in Syria. So was it, yeah, Syria. So, you know, you've got to look at different sectors. Utilities are getting hammered. I kind of like that sector now. It's gotten just crushed. You got to put your money in things that you think can go up. But, you know, it was good news. The 10 year treasury was at 5%. That was not good. Now it's down to 4.65.

Starting point is 02:27:47 Wouldn't surprise me if that goes up a little bit. We'll see them out. Tomorrow's big. CPI number is going to be huge. So you got the S&P right around 4, 400. That's a little bit of resistance. that's a little higher, but I think from now until December. I think you've got to get defensive You got a stack dry powder

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