Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #74: Occult Roots of the Modern World with Jason Louv

Episode Date: March 15, 2018

Welcome to another deep dive into the world of the Occult on this episode of Tin Foil Hat with Sam Tripoli. This episode Sam and Ryan welcome author of the new book "John Dee and the Empire of Angels," Jason Louv! This episode the guys discuss.... 1) The book "John Dee and the Empire of Angels!" Check out johndee007.com 2) The spiritual act of “Awakening The Third Eye 3) Kundalini Yoga 4) ANCIENT WISDOM HIDDEN THROUGH TIME​​ 5) Secret Societies 6) Who was Jon Dee? https://www.johndee007.com Come out March 25th for Sam Tripoli's Taping of "Armogedden" and "Zero Fucks" Comedy Special live at the Viper Room at 7:30 and 9:30pm. RSVP at [e-mail] Huge Announcement.... The Tin Foil Hat Comedy Night will be live..... June 1st: San Francisco at Cobbs at http://www.cobbscomedy.com June 2nd: Sacramento at the Sacramento Punchline http://www.punchlinesac.com

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Oh, what the fucker you guys even talking about? It's a mystical deep deep dark realm crazy shit. Are you ready to get your mind blown? What is that laugh? It creeps me out. Guys, welcome to Timfoyle Hat. You know who we are. You know what we're here to do. Real quick before we bring in our guests, I want to make a couple announcements. First of all, March 25th is the big live taping of my comedy hour at the Viper room. Super excited. It is filling up the 930 is about two-thirds full and the 730 is almost

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So grab those real quick. My man Ryan, how are you? I'm doing good man. Ryan worked really hard on the new logos. We got some logos here. We got that one with me with a Hershey kiss on my head and giant psychic beams coming on my forehead. Armogadding going crazy on that. And we have an exciting thing. I know you guys are some of you guys We're like what's up with the sound on the last The last episode The truth is we had the live stream it and that's the sound to get to either that or nothing at all so our new New artwork is by at Instagram at Ed Gentile will put in the show notes. Thanks, man. We really appreciate your submission

Super excited now. I want. to. to. to. to the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. the th. th. th. th. the th. the th. the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. the. to. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th. th Thanks, man, we really appreciate your submission. Super excited. Now I'll watch you through our, who is our guest? Today's guest has explored the outer reaches of human culture and possibility through the expectations into some of the world's most interesting belief systems. The author of Hyperworlds, Underworlds, the Angelic Reformation, Monsanto versus the world, Queen Valentine, the editor of Generation Hex, Ultraculture General. He's written for Vice, Esquire, and so much more. Please start to align your chakros and open your mind to the one and only Jason Louvre, everyone.

Jason, welcome. Thank you for having me on. Man, you know, you are the best dress we've ever seen here. I was overdressed on the way over. And I think the the worry was legitimate. I know why you were like hey man I'm on camera I'm gonna dress up and I'm like what is this guy could come dressed like is he gonna come up at some wizard outfit you know like like Gandalf the white wizard? Yeah well that was the first option in the mirror and it just didn't look quite right. But you know you came dressed nice, you look like a like a deep state arms dealer like you go.

People accuse me of being a deep state, maybe not an arms dealer, but MK Ultra at least online all the time. So maybe I am. Hey, if you're not called a gay Jew shill, you're not doing it right. That's what I've learned since we've been starting to do this shell. That's like the mark of approval from the internet. Yeah, so you have an awesome podcast, alter culture out there, what's that about? Yeah, so the podcast, mostly I talk to experts in the field of spirituality and esoteric practices and anyone who has spent a lot of time thinking about and practicing techniques toto radically shift human consciousness,

which is my primary interest. I love that. Frankly, what I think people need most right now because we're kind of in a rut as a species. I won't get into your book that's coming out in April, but I wanted to talk to you about, where can I talk, like, in the world in which you've dived into and studied and you've gone down some serious rabbit holes. How is living in that world versus what this pop culture, instant information, no real like kind of studying, but just like whatever the title of the article is is the facts you spit out kind of world that we live in.

Like how do you deal with being in that world and the world we live in at the same time? Well, I've definitely changed my opinion on that over time because when I first started out talking about and writing about this stuff, you know, it was kind of a big hurdle to get over internally because I was, you know, I didn't know how people were going to react. I thought people would be very angry or, you know, want to shut that down or not want to talk about it. But I've actually found the opposite, which is that people really want to hear about this stuff. They want to hear about, you know, real spirituality, not necessarily just dogmaid.

But, you know, techniques that can actually, thi So I've actually that's kind of been humbling for me that and it would be the people you least expect, you know, hedge fund managers, you know, Instagram stars, you know, like, you know, all kinds of people. So, but I certainly, um, yeah, I mean, people are all scattered and all over the place and I think that's probably our biggest weakness right now is the inability to hold one train of tho. I the the. I think all that's done on purpose too. I could see why those people you mentioned would be into that because they're ultra successful people and you could say whatever you want about an Instagram model. There is, it's a completely saturated market and to be able to stand out in that is not easy, you know, and there is a level of cutthrow. There's a level of like, like, like, I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, tho, th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. there is a level of cutthrow. There's a level of, like, I was doing a political show recently, we were talking about, like, you know, why is Hollywood full of so many,

like psychopaths, you know, because, and I just think to make it the highest level that Hollywood is no different than Washington, D.C. or Wall Street, in that it takes a level of psychopath to, to get to to to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make to make. to make. to make. to make. to make. to make. to make. to make. to, to, to make. to make. to make. to make. to make. to make. to make. to make. to make. to make. to make. to make. to make. to make. to make. to to to to to to th. thi. to, toe. theck. the toeck. the the the the the the the the theck. the th theck. thi. th toeck. thi. thi. thi.takes a level of psychopath to to get to that level because you got to make some kind of cold-blooded decisions in terms of like am I picking like money and power over love and people and stuff like that? Not everybody but I would say a lot of them if not most of them there's a there comes that decision and I could see why they would want to turn to you and eventually be like, hey man, like what is really going on here because I've sold my soul

or I've put all my eggs in this basket and that makes me really scared. And what do they mostly ask you? And what do you mostly tell them? I mean, I'm not like 100% in terms of like everything you say, thiiiiiii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, they would, thi, thi, thi, they would, they would, they would, they would, they would, they would, they would, they would, they would, they would, they would, they would, they would, they would, they would, they would, they would, they would, they would, they would, they th......... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, that, the. the. the. they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they mostly ask you and what do you mostly tell them for the, I mean, I'm not like 100% in terms of like everything you say, but like kind of what is the message you kind of give them? Well, yeah, and it's certainly not just successful people that, you know, that I teach. I probably taught maybe 30 or 40,000 people, you know, these techniques at thi. thi techniques. My my their thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. thee. the. thee. the. the. the. It's that spirituality is a practice. It's something that you need to train at

and that you need to get good at, just like going to the gym would be, right? So, you know, we've inherited this idea in this culture that spirituality is a one-stop shop. Like you go to church and you're okay, or, you know, religion sells the idea that you just do what the religion says and then you're okay. That I don't think is actually true. I think that spirituality, for instance, with meditation or yoga practices, or visualization, or any type of focusing practices, something that you have to train at every day, just

like athletic discipline. And so that's what I try to tell tell tell tell tell tell tell tell the tell the tell the the tell the their their the their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, tho, thoe, thi, thi, their, their, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi.e, thriii.e.eananuuuiauiaugh, toda, toda, their, their, their religion, their religion, their religion, their, their, their their train at every day, just like athletic discipline. And so that's what I try to tell people. I try to give them basic techniques so that they can construct a spiritual life and an inner life on their own terms that fits them instead of this idea that there's like a one-size-fits-all, that you just go to the church and the church and give you something. I think that spirituality is something that people should directly take responsibility for and build for themselves just like they would take advantage of, or, you know, take control of their diet or just eating organic food, that type of thing. And I think that it's a core part of being a human and core part of, in a very non-Woo way, and it's a core part of growing on this planet, and it's what people are missing most of all, because we have, you know, at least in the first world,

we have almost all of our needs met. We've got, you know, we have food, we have shelter, we have all the information we could ever possibly need times a billion, constantly on tap, you know, we have transportation trans transportation transportation transportation transportation transportation transportation transportation transportation transportation transportation transportation transportation transportation wee, we have transportation to to to the to to their to to, we have transportation to, we have transportation the, we have the, we have the, we have the, we have thoals, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, that's that's that's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that on tap, you know, we have transportation, but you know, we have no souls. That's kind of important part there. No, that is very interesting and that was a great answer to a butchered question. So thank you very much for cleaning up my thing. So you have my question. Do you have a, you have a book coming on April? Can you tell us a little bit about it? Yeah, absolutely. So the name of the book is John D. and the Empire of Angels.

And it's the history, it's the secret history of the last 500 years and how, you know, the occult and the elite have influenced human history. I love that, dude. I love that. If you're into conspiracy theories, this is the mother of all conspiracy theories. But the good thing about being a journalist is you can dig in and find things that are way weirder than conspiracy theories because they're actually true. Oh, that's so important. Now, before Jason got here a little early, Sam, I was a little today. We were talking about athe last time I saw Duncan. Really? Yeah, and we forgot to close it actually. And he got upset about that. I shouldn't say too much about that. Loves Feelers. Really? So yes, no, literally, yeah. Yeah, awesome. Well, hey, so do, so yeah. So what I find very interesting about your book, I want to get into again a little John D. and the Empire of Angels is that, do you find it

interesting that this notion that fake news is now this real big thing and maybe I'm jumping to conclusion but I haven't read the book yet and I look forward to doing it is that maybe there's been fake news since the start and th. th. th. th. th. th. th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. I th. I thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thiii. thi. to to to to to to thi thi thi thi. to conclusion, but I haven't read the book yet, and I look forward to doing it, is that maybe there's been fake news since the start. And only the fake news that is being talked about right now is the questioning of authorities, the elites and all that stuff, whereas the elites have been selling us fake news since the start. And that's kind of some what I always argue about when people's like, oh, fake news, oh, oh, you're watching YouTube. I'm like, well, you know, textbooks, we've seen they've been chalkful of just complete another lies. Right, right. And you know, and it just, you know, we did it, we did a show on the black, the black

son and like how there's almost been a demonization of mother earth and you know, the divine feminine over a very long time and that like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, and that, like, like, like, like, like, like, and that, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the divine feminine over a very long time and that like what's been sold to our society that feminism is is women trying to be men. And not to have any problem with you be whoever you want to be. I really have no problem with that. But really when you break down with the feminine feminism is is empathy and love and all that stuff and how we've really ran a run from that almost and it's to me like nothing happens by coincidence at that the highest levels have been working levers and puppet strings and all this stuff for a very long time and you know maybe according to your book maybe that's the fake news for a very long time the story that gets sold to the masses over time. Well there's always been a story sold's the fake news for a very long time, the story that gets sold to the masses

over time. Well, there's always been a story sold to the masses. I mean, look at World War I as an example that I always like to think about. You know, the people, you know, working people all over Europe were convinced to kill each other. And, and, and, or if you look at any war, the to, the, the, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, to, the, the, to, the, to, the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, they. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, to, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a. toe. toe. to. toe. to. to. to. to. the, the, the average person, like you, me, all of us, all the people listening to us, like, what do we want? We just want to like go home and like watch Netflix and drink a beer and, you know, hang out with our loved ones and go, you know, get enough money to live. And like, that's basically what anyone wants all over the planet. And if you hung out with them and spoke the same language, you're, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, to, their, to, their, their, to, to, their, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, their. And, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, their, their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, be on the same page. So how do you take a population like that and convince them to kill each other? Well, obviously fake news, right?

Or propaganda efforts or at the point of a gun. So I think the history of the world is obviously not singular. There's been so many things going on, but it's constantly the story of people manipulating each other. And in terms of fake news, the way that I really feel about the whole fake news thing is, you know, having worked in the media and certainly the online media since the early 2000s in the late 90s, you know, we really were hitting a critical mass point there where suddenly anyone, anyone had a blog, anyone had ability for self-publishing on Amazon, anyone could

have a podcast. And WikiLeaks happened and Snowden happened and like all this information was coming out and people were talking to each other and communicating and it was, you know, and then Occupy happened and it was a big deal. The idea that and the legacy media, as they say, just losing their control and their grasp, you know, nobody watches ABC anymore. Nobody watches NBC. They listen to podcast. They listen to Rogin.

They listen to Rogin. They're listening. People listen to Rogin, you know, people listen. People listen to Rogin, you know. It's like that's where to these established media companies, obviously. So I think that, you know, I don't think it's been a mistake that this meme, fake news was deployed. And when they first started, they first started pushing that, and like Facebook started censoring

that, I started thinking, well, wait, you know, like, my blog is fake news. You know, all the blogs that I get information from are fake news and I don't just mean you know and and reading the mainstream media and at working as a journal like when I was working full-time as a journalist my job was to look for stories that hadn't broken yet and things that were not talked about and I found those stories and on thogs and on things that would be considered fake news, but it was just people with a blog who wanted the truth. In the mainstream media, what are they reporting on? The Kardashians, you know, and I think that Trump has been not to go into that rabbit hole,

but I think that the whole fake news and the political insanity that's happening now and the political fight. It's a gigantic distraction from the real story. And I think the real story is that, you know, humanity, you know, had been given this tremendous ability to communicate all the sudden and change the narrative. And we should remember that. I completely agree with that. And I remember that we were podcasting and Obama just passed the law, which stated that the U.S. government is lawfully allowed to use propaganda against, you know, really against

its citizens. And that's, you know, that is a verifiable fact. And I remember saying that. I thought that that meant they were just going to flood the internet with a million different direction stories and that's kind of where we're at right now and to the point where you know where the people you only want your news it's only do you need another water too by the way? Sure. Do we have any more water? Where the only verifiable news that people will take is from the people who have caught line to you over the the to the to the to the to the to the the to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their their their the. the. the. the. the. they. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their news that people will take is from the people who have caught lying to you over and over again. I mean, we're looking at Operation Mockingbird.

We're looking at MSNBC who's supposed to be the liberal hiring the ex-FBI agent. We are now seeing, what, FBI officers are flooding the Democratic party running for nominations. I mean it's all controlled opposition. We are now seeing where X CIA officers are flooding the Democratic Party running for nominations to get an office to represent the DNC. And if, you know, and this is, and I want to go back to you, like getting people to in fight with each other. The changes always come from the left. It always been this, hey, man, we, we don't want the status quo. We want love for everybody. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. the equality. the equality. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. th the the theconomic. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. ta. ta. ta. ta. tod tr tr tr tr tr tr tr tr tr tr tr tr tr tr tr tr tr tr tr tr tod tod today. t t t It had always been this, hey man, we don't want it to status quo, we want

love for everybody, equality for all, and they realized that. I think Vietnam really opened their mind when there was these mass protests against war. And since then it's been a war on the left from the power elites. Well, that's a great, that's a great, just to jump in. I mean, that's a great parallel because the reason there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was the reason there was there was the the the reason th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. the. the. to. the. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. the. the. the. the. the.. Well, that's a great, just to jump in, I mean, that's a great parallel because the reason there was such big protests with Vietnam is because of television, and they were televising soldiers coming home in body bags. And that was the first time that people had actually seen the consequences of war in their face and their living room. You know, it's if you see people coming back in body bags, well maybe you don't want your kid to go to Vietnam. And I think it's the same now with blogs and podcasts and the internet and social media.

It's like you can't do anything anymore without people seeing it. You know, you can't, you know, all this stuff is just coming out and people are seeing, you know, war zone executions and things like that. It's like, you can't really fool people anymore. It is very interesting. And you know, change comes from the left. So the best way to stop change is to completely control the left and get everybody fighting with each other. So instead of everybody working together, and we've said this a thousand times, and whenever you do, I always get barked at, oh, you know, now, now it's telling us how

the protest, you've like the the the the the th..... th. thelling us how to protest. It's like, no, I mean, you got these women march, you got the Black Lives Mara March, you got the support, the Dreamers march, you have the gay rights march, and they're all very valid marches. Why doesn't everybody march together? Because at the end of the day, your cause is their cause. We're all asking for equality across all and now there's this thing where and I get it I get yelled at the demonization of white guys just like there was a demonization of all these other groups over the longest time That's all to get everybody to fight with each other because if they come together That's one coerce unit fighting against the power elite which are manipulating us left and right Having I mean, we are paying taxes to a machine that. th, the the the the the their to their to to to to to their. to their. their. to their. to be their. their. toe. their. their. toe. their. toe. their. toe. their. their. their. toe. I toe. I their. I their. I their. I's their. I's their. I's their. I's. I's. I. I's. I's. I. I. I. I's. I's. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the te. t. t. t. t. te. te. We. We're. We're. We're. We're. We're. I'm. t. We're. the the the the the a machine that is just committing war crimes around the world. I mean, look at what we did. We just anointed a woman who not only was participated in black ops and black sites to torture people, but was one of the people who basically created the program.

And you, and how long can we be putting this energy out to the rest of the world before they go enough? And you know, I talk to people all the time, they're like, I'm just not paying attention. I go, that's what happened in Nazi Germany, dude. Everyone's like, I'm not getting in the middle of that, I'm not paying attention any of that. And then what happened? And th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and thi thi thi thi thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, thi, thi, thi, the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the, the. the. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. thean. their their their their their, then what happened and that's what's going on right now. We are not bringing peace and love and freedom to anybody. We are going in, breaking backs and stealing resources. Right. And it's all done by the power elite. Something you said Jason made me think about your own personal experience, saying how people in Vietnam saw the bodies coming home. I know you spend a lot of time over in India and you've, what would the practice called where you watch the bodies decay in order to reflect on your own mortality.

Is that a sort, is that a Hindu or is that Buddhist meditation? What is that? Well, that's something that a couple different traditions do. For me, it just happened to be what I decided to do Varanasi, also used to be called Benares, which is on the Ganges, Ganges River in northeastern India. But yeah, the Goriys do that, and Tibetan Buddhists do that as well. Boudist do that quite a bit, meditate on corpses. But the Ganges is where, you know and then burnt, cremated in open air.

And it's generally considered in Hinduism that if you do that and then you're, you know, usually nothing's left but the skull and they break the skull at the end and then they cast the ashes into the river. And it's considered that if you do that, that you're liberated from the wheel of rebirth. You don't have to be reborn again. Mushka. Is that what it's called? Moksha. Yeah, liberation. It's potentially one route to it. So, but I sat there and watching for about a week and not as a voyeuristic thing, but to, again, it's one of these things that we don't have in our culture. Death is hidden in America.

There's actually a great book from the 50s called the American Way of Death that talks about how much death is sanitized and hidden from Americans. And in India, it's obviously because, you know, it's not that way. I mean, it's just death is out in the open. There are dead bodies all over the street. You see people dying on a daily basis, and then you see bodies being burnt. And you see there how transitory life actually is and it's just a, you know, like a blade of grass cut down in the wind. You know, it's like you see, and literally tangibly and viscerally, it's just here and then it's gone. And I think that if we did have that in this culture, we would probably lose a lot of our neuroses.

Yeah, more connected to the actual cycle of life. The reason I want to bring that up, because even though your book, the most recent book right now coming out in April, is about Western occult, but to understand John D. and the true Western occult, you have to go back far to the foundations of like where Hinduism is because the idea is these ancient cultures magic, the word itself doesn't come from Maya which is the Hindu word meaning illusion so it's like and it's funny that the Mayans of the ancient cultures they also created the concept of zero so these these pyramid building cultures is what I kind of want to like get into just think it might have been Islam

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interested in the idea of non-existence and the void. And I think that that might be a more psychologically healthy perspective. Because when you really think that things exist, you start to get really like, you know, neurotic about making things happen and, you know, proving to people that you're real and that you exist and you're really important. No, I get that. Your God is so important and causing all kinds of of trouble. Yeah. Yeah, that just seems to be Hollywood and just every religious war out of there. So check it out. The single eye or the third eye concept stretches back thousands of years and appears again

again and myths, sculptures, engravings and paintings in pre-Christian cultures across the world. The third eye being the organ of spiritual illumination that lies hidden in the human forehead. Where the two areas of eyes see outward to material things, the third eye sees inward to the soul. Further back and we look we see more the third eye and art and architecture, literature and poetry. I mean the whole idea is awakening the third eyes tossed in eastern traditions like Hinduism and the connection to Egyptian Egyptian Egyptian Egyptian Egyptian Egyptian Egyptian Egyptian Egyptian religious beliefs which is I wanted to like just say that's it's crazy most people don't really talk about that the dot the

third eye dot or third eye chakra or the bindi that you see a red dot on Indians you'll see the same thing in and Egyptian. Does that represent the third eye to dot right there? Oh that's so the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. Is thi. thi. thi. thi. Is thi. Is thi. I is is thi. I is thi. Is thi. Is thi. Is thi. Is thi. Is thi. Is thi. Is thi. Is thi. Is thi. Is thi. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is th. Is thi. Is thi. Is thi. Is thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I theee. I the. I thee. I the. I thee. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I third eye to dot right there? Oh, it's so interesting. Well, it also of course represents the pinnial gland. Yes. Right. So the pinnial gland, of course, being the gland in the center of the brain, which, as I'm sure many of your listeners know, produces DMT endogynously when you're born and when you die, and which can, in least the theoretically, theirininin, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thion, thion, thion, thion, their, thion, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, of, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the pinial gland, the pinial gland, the pinionion, the pin, of, of, of, of, of, of, the pin, of, the pin, the pin, the pin, of, the pin, the pin, their, their, their, their, their, thion, thion, thion, thin, their, thin, thin, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the pinnial glenial glenial glenial glenial glenial glen, their, theirically be activated by yoga practices. So a lot of these ancient cultures when you really dig down and you look at a lot of these symbols and a lot of these metaphors and these kind of like science fictiony descriptions of things, a lot of times what they're really talking about is yoga practices, or ritual practices to make the body do certain things and one of them is

you know deep meditation and deep breathing exercises and things and one of them is you know deep meditation and deep you know breathing exercises and things like that will get you real high into really intense altered states of consciousness and you know this is one of the things that you know I certainly teach people how to do but and then once you have the experience you realize it's not such a big deal you know but when you look at the art it's like what is this stuff you know are you're speaking are you speaking you you you you you the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I I I I I I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. th., it's like, what is this stuff? And are you speaking about Kundalini Yoga particularly? That's absolutely one method. Yeah, I mean, although what most people know is Kundalini Yoga now, you know, I've gone to some Kundalini yoga classes in Santa Monica,

that's like a thing. And it's, you know, there'll be like burning sage and it's like what's going on? This is just stressful. It's got to be so interesting. I want to go there. I mean, the reason I say this is because Kundalini Yoga teaches the initiates to balance or unify. And this also awakens what they call the idea is, if you see here, for those listening at home that aren't seeing an image, your chakras are from straight line up your spine.

And the energy, could you explain Kunulini Yoga? Why would I try to do it? Yeah, so in theory, the, so, in theory, the, okay, let's see, how do I explain? We're trying to explain like, to explain how their opposites. So the real form, quote unquote, real form of Kunulini Yoga is called Crea Yoga and was first taught in the West by Parmahanta Yogananda who wrote a book called Autobiography of a Yogi and runs the self-realization, you know, he set up the self-realization fellowship, which is all over LA. Right. And, you know, he died in the 40s, or 50s, I th, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, thian, thian, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, togu, the, the, the, the, togu, the, the, togu, the, the, the, died in the 40s or 50s, I think. But, so here, okay, let's see, Crea Yoga, Kunalini Yoga, the idea is that you have an energy,

the energy of your nervous system, let's just put this in scientific terms. You know, the energy of your brain and your nervous system, and all of your nerves come out from your spinal cord. And when you're born, that's constantly expressing out into the world, right? You know, you're constantly, you're born and as soon as you're born you start crying and then you start running around you have to go to school, you have to do all these activities and you

know, you get caught up in life, you know, Maya, the illusion, right? You got shit to do non-stop from the day you're born the day the day th. th. the day th. th. th. th. th. thin, you're born, you're born, you're born, you're born, you're born, you're born, you're born, you're thi, you're thi, you're thin, you're thin, you're thin, you're thin, thi, thin, you're thin, you're their, you're their, you're their, you're their, you're their, you're their, you're their, you're their, you're, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th. th. And, th. And, thr, th thrown, th thrown, th th th th th thrown, th th thrown, their thrown, their, their, their, their, the day you're born till the day you die. And then of course you hit puberty and now you start having sex and that energy starts just going out, going out. So that energy for most people, for most people, you know, 99% of people, whatever, gets expressed outward into the world as their activities and as reproduction, right? So it's also related to sexual energy. The whole idea of Crea Yoga or Kunalini Yoga, this is secret wisdom here, is reversing the current. So it goes instead of, for most people, express that energy expresses downwards and out into the world through through their genitals, through

sexuality, Crea or Kunalini it reverses and goes back into the brain in which case you start, you know, you know, losing sense of a personality and merging back into the universe for lack of a better word merging back into the into into the void and that path is not for you know for most people because you kind of have to be done with life to do that type of thing. Yeah, I'm close. It's a threefold approach. Bachti yoga, which is for devotion, Shakti yoga for power, and Raja. Am I saying it correctly?

So Raja yoga is Kunalini, Crea yoga. So that's the same. That's what I'm talking about. And there are lots of otheraya Yoga is the purest, you know, highest one. Yeah, and so what I was saying is the connection to the Egypt, it's called the Aten, which is the sun symbol and it encapsulates which basically means eternity. So it's crazy to think these cultures have no connection but they have the third eye,

they both represent the same thing. And what's really fascinating... Everything goes back to the same, it's just unbelievable. Think about King Tut's sarcophagus, right there in the center, where his third eye would be, is a serpent. It's interesting that, Doug. It is so interesting. Keep on popping up, so. Well, the question is, were they actually disconnected? Because, the beginning, the, the, the, the, the, realizing is certainly before the beginning of monotheism and the beginning of these. What is monotheism so for those who don't know which is me? Okay.

One religion. Belief in one true God one true religion. There's only one way for everyone. Okay. So that started a little bit in Egypt but you know Judeo-Christian religion and then Islam as well and you know It's you know and also Buddhism to some extent Do you think that's or orchestrated on purpose to divide people this notion that you could only Believe in one I think that it in you know historically speaking that's been the primary mode of control for human beings right and And I think that before that really started happening the whole world was pagan and and and Hinduism????????????? the? the? the? the the? thuism, thuism is, thuism is thuism, thuism is thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thoism, thoism, thoism, thoism thi thi tho-uuism thoism thoism thoism thoism thoism thoism thuism thuism to thuism to thuism thuism thuism thuism thuism thuism thuism thuism thuism thuism thuism thuism thuism thuism thuism thuism thuism to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their th really started happening, the whole world was pagan. And Hinduism is still pagan, but you know, pagan Europe was very close to Hinduism in Egypt. And people were sharing and talking about these ideas and, you know, during trade, going across the silk road. So these ideas were in India, they were in China, they were in Egypt, they were in, you know, you can find traces of them in pagan Europe.

And you know, the world was a lot more relaxed, maybe, before these kind of totalizing religions came in. And I think that the world is becoming like that again because of the internet, because we're sharing information and just like we're talking about with fake news and control. It's like people are really really interested in esoteric stuff right now because they know that something's been kept from them. Something has been because if you look at history this stuff was for elites it was for kings and priesthoods and you know the people who were in control they didn't want the people to have this stuff. You know and then I came along. No I told I 100% percent understand that. They knew the the the the the the the the the the the the thost thost thost thost thost thost thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thoes tho. I tho. I tho. I'm thi thi. I was tho. tho. tho. thi. thi. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. So thi. So thi. So thi. So theeee. So thee. So. So, thee. So the. So thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, I told I 100% understand. Yeah, they knew the astrological wisdom teaching that man is a microcosm and that the universe is a macrocosm. I mean

this goes across all cultures. Joseph Campbell, the power of belief he talked a lot about how men wear like masks. Here's a quote. Whenever one moves out of the transcendent one comes into a field of opposites. These two pairs of opposites come forth as male and female from the two sides. One is eaten from the tree of knowledge, not only of good and evil, but of male and female, of right and wrong, of this and that and light and dark. Everything in the field of time is dual, Joseph Campbell. Sure, yeah. I mean, things need to become dual to manifest. Yeah. I mean, if you think about the concept, I'm a Libra.

I'm the only thing on the zodiac wheel that's not an animal. And when my life is out of balance, and that's what the symbol of the Libra is, is a scale. I don't put too much weight into that, but I'll tell you deep breath and and that's a strange form of yoga is breathing. No I get that. I get that. Look at all the spirituality with yoga and then I then there's you know now everything's about yoga pants on chicks. Right well that that I think I mean that drives me crazy because you know hobby so that type of yoga I will point out how the yoga the type of yoga that's really that's th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th is th is th is th is th is th is th is just just thi. thi. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi ty. ty. ty. ty. ty. ty. ty. ty. ty. thi th, this is really going to bum people out when I tell them this, but it's not actually a real yoga. What that actually is is a set of gymnastic exercises that were invented during under the Raj,

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what made people to masturbate was spicy foods. diet so that you weren't just like just wrecking your foreskin you know I mean you get a whole thing you and you're just like woo Really? You're full on a tripley dude. That's just the most interesting shit so so frosted flakes was meant to stop you from whacking off cornflakes Kellogg really grape nuts will get you a fucking not horny I'll tell you that right now so what we're talked just, yeah, let me eat some gravel real quick. Are you sure that's not just like when you get to the point in your life where you seriously start thinking about buying grape nuts?

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Like sobriety, like sobriety. You know, I've talked about that, but sobriety, you know, it's like your life never gets worse when you get sober, you know what I'm saying? Like, you're like, I stopped drinking and just, I went in the bankruptcy, you know, I mean, I'm sure it's happened, but it's not because of your party. When you're, you're not dealing with your problems, when you're getting sobriety, you clean it all up, you know what I'm saying saying.. th saying. th saying. th saying. th saying. th saying, you're th saying, you're thi. th. You're th. You're th. You're th. You're th. You're th. You're, thi, thi, thi, thi, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, the they, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're, you're like, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're like, you're like, you're like, thi. You're like, thi. I's thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm the thi. I'm s the the thi. I'm the th th th th th thi. I'm thi. I up, you know what I'm saying? It's like your life never gets better with meth. Like, how'd you become a CEO? Crystal meth? Has anything great been invented on meth?

Has it, you know, because like forever there's stuff, like, hey, this album, they were so coked out of their skulls and they put out- insane clown posse? Do you know the whole such an interesting thing. Isn't that wild? Isn't that wild? Bring it, let us know. So I think this just came to light a few years ago. Apparently the whole of Nazi Germany during the war was on crystal meth. Everybody, because they were mass marketing it as this drug called Preveritin, which was a capsule formweaker you get Nazi

Germany. Yeah, they're just in the bunkers trying to blow themselves dude right? That's everybody. My buddy calls meth the gay juice because once you start smoking up of it you're going to get doing some weird you know. I am the prize dog. You're they they they to do. You're to do. You're to start. You're to start. You're to start. You're doing. to start. to start. to start. You're doing. to start. to start. You're doing to start. You're doing to start to start to start to start to start to start doing to start doing to start doing to start doing to start doing to start doing to start doing to start doing to start doing to start doing. You to start doing. You to start. You to start. You're they're they're doing. You're doing. You're doing. You're doing. You're doing. You're doing. You're doing. You're doing. You're doing. You're doing. You're doing. You're doing. You're doing. You're doing. You're doing. You're doing. You're doing. So so so so so so so so so start. So, start. So start. So, start the the the the the the the the the the the to start doing so start doing so start doing some some some some some some some some some some the the to start doing to start doing some some some some some some some some some the the the the lost their too true. They see, watching porn and getting weird, dude. I am the prize, dog. I am the prize. Yeah, so the problems then are not really problems, but symptoms that manifest outwardly, telling us where to focus our attention inward. For me, drinking wasn't my problem. Drinking was my solution. I was my problem. And that's what I like, I started looking into this whole shit as above so below

Baffermit the whole alchemist the idea is to turn Isn't to turn physical lead into gold even though maybe the honor knock you want to do that But is it to turn your lead bullshit life into a heart of gold? I get that I get that? I do these podcasts in a weird way only for Sam Tripoli because I if I if he believes in himself as much as I believe in him Motherfucker it's gonna be called That tea is gonna be Stanford Tripoli all that all tripley comedy so I agree with that I just I it's just like you know when you're when you don't just keep polluting yourself over and over again and you could just deal deal with your problems. Like, you know, people think you get sober, all your problems go, wait, no, they never, life is full of, as long as there's other people

with other desires and goals in life, they're not always gonna believe in your goals. And sometimes your goals conflict with their goals, and like that moment, either you deal with it or you let it compound and compound and compound and compound and then you're like, you're just stuck in this world of shit instead of just dealing with it. And I feel like this stuff that we're talking about allows you to deal, cleanses your soul,

kills your ego. I mean like recovery's done so much for me. The notion that I'm not the center of the universe, which sounds so crazy, you know, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th, I th.. I th like, I th like, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thin, I thin, I thin, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like. Like, the notion that I'm not the center of the universe, which sounds so crazy, you know? I mean, we all think that like, there's a part in our life. It's like, it's my problem with entertainment right now and giving the reins to 22-year-olds and 23-year-olds. It's like, the ego hasn't been screwed out of them yet. They haven't learned that, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, that, that, that, that, th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. There, th, th, th. There, th. There, th. There, th. There, th. There, th. There, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. We all, thi. We all, thi. theeea. We all thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. We all all thi. We all all all all the. th center of the universe I'm just one of many and I you know treat people well good things happen. Yeah dude you got to go through that to become a full human being and and like you have to get your ass kicked by the universe and like see that your bullshit is just your own insanity that

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language of esotericism is because it's a whole other set of metaphors and a whole other set of ideas about overcoming yourself and becoming more, and just like you were saying, turning the base lead, you know, it's like we're all base led, you know, it's like we come into this world with, you know, all kinds of of of of of of of of of th of th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, you know, you know, you know, you're the the thi, thi, you're the their their, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, thi, thr--e.e. thr-I's, te. te. th. thea. the. thea. their, their, their, their, thi. turning the base lead that you know it's like we're all based lead you know it's like we come into this world with you know all kinds of you know hurdles to overcome and we're barely even human when we're born you know like we have to let grow and you know so so it's a whole other set of metaphors and also practical techniques to become more than you know to become your best self to become more than yourself and I think that that's you you you you you you you you you you you that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi. thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. I I th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi you know, to become your best self, to become more than yourself. And I think that that's, you know, it's certainly helped me, and I think that I think it's one of the reasons that people are so interested in it is because they want that, they need

that, and they also need the sense of life becoming an adventure instead of just overwhelming and, you know, just a meaningless, you know, consumerist void that we live in. So that's one of the great gifts of this, you know, these systems, alchemy, magic, all this. I mean, these are eternal, systems of eternal wisdom that have been handed down by thousands of years of ancestors. You know, it's not going talking about with when these things is tapping into The collective wisdom of humanity and what you know, that's what we need most of all

And more than ever right now when we have almost not you know, we're approaching nine billion people very soon on this planet We have not just nuclear bombs, but we have an artificial intelligence coming bio weapons, you know The ability of anybody, you know, you know, the ability of anybody, you know, I just saw the other day that you can now get a DIY CRISPR kit off the internet. It's like, that's the world that we're going into. And you know, if I was to have one message, it would be, you know, our technological ability as a species has skyrocketed to levels we can barely handle, just within the last hundred years. But our wisdom and our ability to handle that power is back in the dark ages.

And that's a caveman. We're still wired like cavemen. And we're getting more and more tribal than ever right now. And that's identity politics. That's dangerous. I couldn't agree more. That's super fascinating. Yeah, I mean, now that we've given some examples of like how magic is far older than the West, I was. Can I just ask something real quick? I just, and I might be the most ignorant person involved with this podcast, including the listeners. So I'm going to just say that right now. When we say magic. Yes. We're not talking about Sigmhering Roy and white tigers, right? I mean, I, we, we, we, we, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. Yeah, thi, thi, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi, thi, th just say that right now. When we say magic, we're not talking about Sigmund Freud and White Tigers, right?

I mean, we're, you know, like, hey, Hey, look at this. I got a quarter out of your ear. Right, right, right. Well, explain what you, because we've had other people who are into chaos, magic and we have chaos, magic and stuff like that. Can you explain kind of what the concept is? So here's my definition of magic and I use magic as a catch-all term to

talk about all these things. Any system whatsoever handed down either if it's ancient wisdom or modern psychology, modern insights for changing consciousness. I use magic as a blanket term and I use it because A, it's silly enough that nobody's going to take it too seriously, and B, it sounds really cool, because it is really cool. So it's like a spoonful of sugar makes the mess and go down in a weird way, right? But the Hollywood, yes, and the Hollywood definition of magic, like you see movies about magic or people making fireballs come out of their hands. What magic and and what you said earlier where it's related to Maya creating illusions, you know, stage magic is the production of illusions that look cool. Real magic is taking illusions away

in just the same way that you were saying of when life kicks your ass or when you do practices that make you see what reality really is and gives you, puts you raw into infinity, you know, shaking before the void and you have to confront reality. That's real magic. A real magician takes illusions away. So that's my definition of magic. But it absolutely is a set of practices from Western esotericism, Kabala, tero ritual magic,

certainly astral projection, divination, eaching, yoga, all the esoteric yoga stuff we were talking about, and shamanism, lots, lots, more. And humanity has been doing these things for its entire existence, and so it's real hard to say all of that stuff in one breath, so I just say magic. Because it sounds cool. Such an interesting. The idea is that like a society we have amnesia. We've like lost sense of like the self, capital self, like the god,

immortal godhood. And all we've been like obsessed with now is the mortal animal body, right? C. S. Lewis said you don't have a soul, you are a soul, you have a body. And all we do is walk around just thinking like we have a body. I mean. Or maybe they're the same thing. Maybe they're not so different after all. Isn't that where the enlightenment comes where you fuse the two, your soul with your body? Or maybe you just become aware that they're, you know, different expressions of the same thing.

Man, man. It's like how do you like go to parties and talk to chicks and deal with this stuff? You know do they how do they take it do they love it? I think that women right now particularly are really leading the way in this and if you look at if you look at the the popularity of the witchcraft movement among you know the feminist witchcraft movement and you know young women really embracing the Wicca. Yeah and but young women embracing the archetype of the witch and the idea of reclaiming power and I think also in general I mean magic really is the realm of the intuition and you know not to be overgendered but I think that women tend to have a much better understanding of that

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as above so below and the internal, it's like when you realize that you know, not to sound cheesy but you have everything you need inside, then why do you the, the, to the, to to to to the, to to to the, to to the, the, to, the, to, the, to, the, the, to, the, the, the, the, to be, the, the, the, the, the, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the devil, the devil, the devil, the devil, the devil, the devil, the devil, the devil, the devil, the devil, the devil, the devil, the devil, the devil, the devil, the devil, the devil, the devil, the devil, the devil, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the.e.e.ean.ean.ean.ean.ean.ean.e.e.e.e. today, today, today, the the the the the the the devil, the the devil, but you have everything you need inside, then why do you need a Big Mac? Why do you need to drink? Why do you need any of this? And just to give a very concrete example so that it's not just theory, you know, when you get really good at magical practices or shamanic practices or particularly esoteric yoga practices, like we were talking about, you get really, really high. And like, I've done my share of experimenting, okay? Like, I have a baseline. Like, you know, you get like better than, better than, better than,

better than, you know, drug experiences. You get really, really high, and you can do it free on, you know, it takes a while to train, but you can do it free on demand and without needing to buy anything anything thany any any any any any any any any anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything anything to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to while to train but you can do it free on demand and without needing to buy anything so if people knew that they had that amount of ecstasy on tap internally just by essentially doing you know real you know heavy breathing practices for long periods of time and and there's lots more to it than that but you know why why would they want an Xbox? No I completely get that and like I'll tell you like after after their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. t. te. te. to. te. to. to. te. to. to. to. te. to. to. to. te. te. te. te. te. that. And like, I'll tell you, like after working out, like whatever your workout is you enjoy, you experience that high.

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luck but yeah I that's what I said but good luck right I got a flip phone I'm like how do I got to put the numbers I'm done here and I know it's all in your book but could you just like briefly describe who John D. was? Yeah. And Nokia and magic, the whole idea. So here's the, so how do we get here, right? How do we get into this crazy, bizarre, you know, kind of cage reality that seems to be the reality that we're living in right now? So here's the mother of all conspiracy facts realities. So John D. thee was the court. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. the. the. thi. thi. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. So, th. thi. the. the. thi. thi. th. thi. to th. th. the. th. thi. th. the. th. the. So, th. So, th.er and scientific advisor for Queen Elizabeth the first in the 16th century.

And he was probably the biggest genius in England at the time. He had five times the books of Oxford and Cambridge, and he was deeply studied in mathematics and geography and optics and the occult. At a time when all these things were kind of considered the same thing You people just consider that they were studying reality and these things were held for the elite for the Illuminati if you want to call it that although That was a historical term that came later, but D. was the person who came up with the idea of the British Empire and he the British Empire and he also spent 10 year. th th th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi, thi, the thi, thi, the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi, the theeeea, thi, the the theeea, the idea of the British Empire and he also spent around 10 years of his life from in his 50s and 60s exclusively talking to angels using a psychic name Edward Kelly and doing it. For 10 years he did alm.

Wow. Wow. And there's over a thousand pages of records of what the angels said said. And what the angels said said was they gave them the core system of magic, which is now, which is now, which is now, which is now, which is now, which is now, which is now, which is now, which is now, which is now, which is now, which is now, which is now, which is now, which is now, which is now, the the the their, their, th.. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, he, he, he, the, the, the, th. the, th. th. th. th. And, th. And, th. And, th. they, they, the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, they. they. thi. thee. thea. they. tea. thea. thea. their, their, the. the. the. the. thousand pages of records of what the angels said. And what the angels said was, they gave them the core system of magic, which is now called Anokian, which also contains the Anokian language, which is supposedly the language spoken by angels and the language spoken by humanity before the fall from the Garden of Eden. What the angels essentially said is there needs to be a new world order underneath Elizabeth and instead of the pope having control, there the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the core, their, the core, the core, the core, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, coauororoorooroorooroorea, their, their, coa, coa, their, their, their, world order underneath Elizabeth and instead of the Pope having control there needs to be one Protestant global empire with

Elizabeth as the head and one global religion which will reunite, unite Islam, Judaism, Protestantism, and even paganism and that there should be absolute total global control so that basically the end of the world can be brought about and the book of revelations can be made real. Unbelievable. Which, frankly, I think is kind of what's happened. Well, I see it. I mean, like, these people want the end of days.

Everyone thinks Jesus comes and it's a block party, right? It it's a, it's like 500 years of darkness. It's like a, it's a shit show, man. You remember that fire festival on the island where all the fucking tents were bullshit? No one had food. That's gonna be 500 years of that. It's gonna be a Jarrul music festival of just dog shit for 500 year. It's like, it's like, if you talk to Christian, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, like, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's a the, it's a the, it's a the, it's a the, it's a the, it's a the, it's a they, it's a shit, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's a shit, it's a shit, it's a shit, it's a shit, it's a shit, it's a shit, it's a the, it's a the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. It's just just just just, it's a th. It's just just just just, it's just just, it's just, it's just a the th. It's just just I don't know why people want it. It's so weird. Well, it's like if you talk to,

like I saw, I'll talk to Christians, right? And people who are like very, you know, Jesus is coming back any day now. And I'll say, well, how do you feel about the locusts? Like the locusts fly out and they're what are they they're like flying scorpions with the face of men and they go through killing everyone in the world and you know I don't know sounds like drones to me and he's talking about Apache helicopters yeah yeah

And that pit he's talking about is where a CERN is located there you what yeah what he just mentioned we've talked about that before. Wait, is it a real thing? Yeah. Wait, what is that? The Swiss Franco border is where a CERN is located and that is where a polygraph was? Yeah. That's where the polychrome was. Oh my god. So Abadin, they're opening a portal. What? They have a statue of Shiva, as we know Shiva's destroyer, a ring of fire, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, thii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thu, thu, so thu, so thu, so thu, so thu, so thi, so thi, so thi, so thi, so thi, so thi, so thi, is is is is is, is, is, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is their, is thi, is their, is their thiiiiiiiiiiiiolioli, where is where their their thioli, somea, somea, somea, somea, as we know, Shiva's destroyer, a ring of fire. They do the dance of Shiva in this video. The whole idea is to open up and bring forth. Or they don't know what's going to come in or come out, but they're opening up. You got to send me a link to that or something.

That's intense. It's pretty wow. But this is of creating a global Christian empire and hastening the apocalypse, this is something Columbus believed, Ronald Reagan believed it, George Bush Jr. believed it, Mike Pence sure as hell believes it. And this has kind of been the secret mythology in some ways, not necessarily with the occult angle, but certainly with the apocalyptic Christian angle of the people who've been steering the ship of Western civilization for 500 years. So what I've really done in this

book is bring that to light in detail and I've also kind of said like, hey, is this really the script we want to follow? Yeah, dude! It's a bit much. You have blown my fucking skull, dog. So you're talking about the writings of the angels. Is that the spirit diaries? That's the spirit diaries? Awesome. What is the spirit diaries?

So those are just the Rexo when they were doing these rituals, they would write down what the angels said. And most of what the angels said was they were delivering them these intense. Wee. Wee. Wee. Wee. Wee. We. A. A. A. A. I. A. the the the the the the the the the the their. I. I. I. I. I. I. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. thi. thi. their. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their. their. their. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. the the the the the the the the thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the meant for building the Inokian tablets and the Inokian system which was basically the world's most complicated ever Ouija board for talking to angels and they wanted everyone in the world to be able to have one so that they could talk directly to the angels without the intermediary of necessarily corrupted human institutions. So what kind of impact, like where can you visibly see his claw marks, John D. on society nowadays? So the big ones, the number one obviously is the, he literally created the phrase British Empire. That was his coining, and he was the one that really propagandized or pushed Elizabeth for the idea of the idea of the idea of the idea of the idea of the idea of the idea of the intermedial, the of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, of, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the world, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tri-c, tribe, tribe, tribea, thi, thi, thi, the the and he was the one that really propagandized

or pushed Elizabeth for the idea of creating an English empire instead of letting there be Catholic world domination at the time that England was just a kind of a very very poor country and he also did all the naval schematics and provided all the paradoxical compass and all the technology necessary for turning England into a naval power, which is how they became an empire. He also chartered the voyage of Sir Francis Drake, the first circumnavigation around the tip of South America, was the first time that had ever been done, and Drake landed at Drake's Bay in San Francisco and got to the west Coast of America for the first time under under

D's orders essentially. And there was actually a deal that if he'd gone any further, if he'd gone above the 50th parallel, everything would have belonged to D that he found, which meant that he would have owned Canada. But also he was the first person to introduce geography to the British public and when he introduced Euclid's elements and he brought the, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, th, th, to, th, to, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, thi, thi, thi, the, thi, thi, the, the, thi, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the th......... And, th, th, th. And, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. And, thi. And, too.e, too.e.e. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, they. And, they. And, they. he brought the, you know, the plus minus divide and multiply signs to the public I think in a big way for the first time ever which they thought was black magic. I mean that's kind of how people feel about math now also. But, and that's just the beginning and that was that was before the angelic apocalypse stuff started happening. It's fascinating. So do you believe that a new world order has been established? Yeah and I think that, but

I'm very, this is how I feel like it's kind of disintegrating right now because actually I was writing this book while Brexit happened and you know I think the world is just kind of shitting itself right now and I think that the new world order was the British empire and then it was the American empire and now and now and now and now, and now, and now, and now, and now, th th th th th th th th th th th the th th the th th th the th the th the th th the th the the world is just kind of shitting itself right now. And I think that the new world order was the British Empire, and then it was the American Empire, and now it seems to be transitioning into something that we don't fully understand yet, and that may have something to do with the internet, it may have something to do with new technologies like AI and blockchain. I don't really understand what it's going to be yet, but I thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thia, thus, thus, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, and the, and the, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, the the the the the the the the the the, the the, the the, the, the, the, the the the the the the th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, thin, thin, thi, thi. is, thi. is, thi. I, thi. I thi. thi. the. thi, thi, thi, thi, be yet, but I think that, but here's the thing, here's the thing about that I always go back to you with conspiracy, not, I don't

even like the phrase conspiracy theories, because people just like I'll tell people like, you know, for instance when the NSA stuff was happening, like, I was saying like, dude Snowden said, that's just a conspiracy theory. It's like, no, it's not a conspiracy theory. It happened, but if you just say that, then just people shut down, right? So I don't even, but. It's spiritual skepticism, that's what we say. We are skeptic of the official narrative on this show. And we fight it all the they'd rather live in La La La Land until impact.

And at that moment of impact, they'd rather have that two seconds of, what the fuck's going on? Fade the Black, then actually go, oh, if I engage in this, I might have to deal with something I'm not comfortable with, and put the, and in particular when they have children. When people have kids, they do not want to know what is going on because then they brought someone into the shit show and you see it happen all

the time. Conspiracy have kids. Oh dude just hey man stop with conspiracies. Right right. Listen to Wolf Blitz. He's a good guy. Look at him. He looks like fucking Dracula has a name Wolf and but we trust him. You know I'm saying it's like this weird thing. And the opposite opposite the opposite the opposite the opposite the opposite th. th. they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. Listen. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're. they're they're they're they're they're they're to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the the the the the the the the the the the the th. they're they're and but we trust them you know I'm saying it's like this weird thing and the opposite goes because we think being a teenager teenage angst is when you have like a sudden realization you're like what the fuck why do you bring me into this existence and then you're listening to Bauhaus and you're yeah that was just me that was me in your eye who rules the world who is therethere 13 family the Black Nobility? Commendar, the lizard person, like if you in your idea who do you think rules,

because I want to do a whole breakdown that whole pyramid and maybe there's just a bunch of people working on there's no one person to rule them all. But in your thoughts. Pudy Pie? Pee pie? I think that, so Robert Anton Wilson said something so important about this, you must know Bob Wilson, right? Yeah. So, so. I just said, yeah, this sound cool.

Yeah, he doesn't. Oh, he was a, you know, a great conspiracy researcher in the, and magic, a researcher in the 60s, 70s and 80s. haven't read stuff dude you have to read stuff it's amazing you have to illuminatist trilogy is his most famous I will get those books from you because I want to ask that once you answer this you'll you'll love them so so he so he so Robert Anton Wilson was the the editor of Playboy magazine in the late 60s oh really and he when he was the editor he wo he the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the was the editor, he would constant, one of his jobs was reading the mail, and they would constantly be, he would constantly get mail from like, you know, romantic, written, like people sending a conspiracy theory is about like at the time, it was like, oh, the communist conspiracy to poison the water and all this stuff. And him, and he got so much of it, and he found it so fascinating that he and another guy, Bob Shea, decided to write a whole novel as if all of these

conspiracy theories were true. And so, which was the Illuminatus trilogy. But what happened was he started to realize that a lot of them were true, and even stuff that he thought was just stuff that he made up also turned out to be true, which is kind of how magic works as well. But he, and then he kind of went off on his own to do research that stuff and magic techniques for a full time and is, you know, now past sadly, but was a very big dude at the time. And he said, the conclusion that he came to about this stuff, because he researched every single conspiracy theory you can imagine, is that what he decided is that at any given time, there's

probably like 40 or 50 different groups flying for power, and there's like all like 40-50 conspiracy theories at work and overlapping each other. And the example that he gives is, you know, you think about like your local PTA meeting, right? Think about like all the factions and like the bad, you know, the little politics that happen and like people try and like people try and get something past its city council, you know, and like the lobbying and the groups they've team up in and just you think about that level of chaos and then you just extrapolate that to the highest level to global politics and there you go. So are conspiracies real? Yeah, absolutely. There's conspiracies happening all the time, but the question is like, well, you know, who's who's on top, right? And I think that I don't think any one person is on top. I just think it becomes Geopolitics, you know, I just think it becomes competing gangs just like the you know street level

Damn, it's so interesting now. You've you've blown my mind this time this episode this episode. It's been a great. you. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. I thi thi th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi. I thi. I don't thi. I don't thi. I don't thi. I thi. I thi. thi. thi. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi th time this episode it's been a great episode you're welcome back anytime you'd like to come on thank you can anything you got a push I'm gonna start looking in the magic right what is the first thing I do I'm 45 can I get into this or is this passed me by no no absolutely in fact it's it's better to you know in Kabbalah people were told not to start doing until they were 40. That's unbelievable. I've only said the religion. It's like why, why, you know something's up a religion that they teach it to children. Because if they really believe what they do, they wait your 18, we'll pitch on this see if you're into it. Right. Well, I think it's You know you should deal with just life. Yeah. But you know I certainly started when I was 16 and I have

no regrets so but so I actually have a free course on it that where I give you everything you need to get started and you can actually get it for free if you text the word Shaman to 4422. It'll ask you for your email address, and then it will send you a one-week free email course with video and podcasts and all kinds of stuff. That's awesome. I will do that! And I don't know if you're like able to pick up on vibes, but if you're ever interested,

you should come to the comedy store some time and on down there. Yeah, I'd love to. I've seen a couple shows there, because I used to live right around the corner by that Whole Foods. Hell yeah. And yeah, it's fun. But yeah, so the book is John D. And the Empire of Angels. It comes out April 17. I'm recommending that people pre-order, which you can do now, sell out real quick because there's like a second-hand collectors market. One of the last ones I did is now $2,000 on eBay. People hoard those things because there's so much demand for them.

Must be nice. Well, if you, you know, if you're the one that was the collector, I actually want people to read them and not collect them. But you can get it, the way he was the original double seven he started the British intelligence agencies unbelievable and his code name was double seven which is where Ian Fleming got that oh my god there you go so it's John D.O. D.O.H. N. D. E. D. E. D. to. D. the. D. to. Oh. D. to. D. to. the. to. the. to. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D. D................................................................................................................'s go hang out with Duncan open a portal. I want over the portal. Make sure we close it though. Yeah yeah we got close that shit but I'm in dude. Yeah he was kind of wicking out. And now it's time for everybody's favorite part of the show.

We haven't done lately. A. A. Ron. Well you better be sick, dead or mute. A. A. Ron. You've got the fi. It's time for to be sick to be sick to be sick to be sick to be sick to be sick the to be sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick sick the the the to ask. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. A. S. S. S. S. S. S. A. S. A. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. A. th. to. to. A. A. A. A. A. A. t. t. t.-A-Ron! Get filthy animal. It's time for ask Aaron. Thoughts Aaron, we went deep into this one. Certainly did. I was almost lulled into a stupor. What does that mean? No offense. You just have a good voice and it was, I was getting a little sleepy. Okay. I used to say the screaming in your in your ears. Yeah I didn't have it wasn't so much Sam so it was not keeping me awake as it normally does. I don't know I'm just curious it seems like this John D. Guy is everything and I just wonder like at some point when he's talking to angels is he just is he just a nut? Okay. It's very interesting who we accept talking to God from to God from? It was thi th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thus I was th thus thus th th thus thus thi thi thus thus thus thus thus thus thus them them so it was them so it was them so it was them so it was th. So it was th. So it was th th so it was th so it was th so it was th th so it was th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi was thi that that that that that thi to thi thi thi to thi thi to thi thi thi that thi that thi thi thi talking to angels is he just is he just a nut? Okay, it's very interesting who we accept talking to God from and who we don't. Oh, understand that I don't accept any. Oh, you're an atheist? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's why. So yeah, so

I just think our understanding of mental, not mental illness, but mental degradation, I guess, when you get older. Right. And people getting paranoid and people getting right-wing and weird and I think that's still going on today, so I'm just wondering if that's at all the possibility. So you're saying this whole thing is built on someone's got schizophrenia? Oh I think a lot of things are, not just this. Okay. Well, I found that, dude, this is probably one of my favorite episodes we've done. Are we on the air right now? Yeah.

Wow. Well, I'll just say to that real quick. So I, in the book, I proposed maybe 10 different theories of what could have happened. And I start obviously, thi thia thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho, tho, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Cool. And I say, so here are the options, right? Number one. And by the way, Dee was writing it down and Kelly, the psychic who was half his age, he's 25, is an alcoholic. You know, he was a very sketchy character. So it's very called into question immediately. The most obvious explanation is just, he was just making it up. Another explanation is he was being, since they were involved in the intelligence agency.. I, right, the intelligence, the intelligence, the intelligence, the intelligence, the intelligence, the intelligence, the intelligence, the intelligence, the the the the, the, the, the, the, the, right, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi was th. D, th. D, th. D, th. D, th. D, th. D, th. D, th. D, th. D, th, D, D, D, D, D, D, D, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. D, th. D, th. D, th. D, the, the, they, they was, they was, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they was, they was, D. D. D. D. is he was being since they were involved in the intelligence agencies some but intelligence agencies somebody was just feeding them information to

screw would be to give bad information to the queen that's another option schizofrany or some other type of mental illness is definitely another option. The drug use could have been happening but when you look at the records the thing about them is there nothing like what you would expect thi th th th th th th th th th the th the th th the th th th the the the the the the the th. th. the th. th. th. th. th. the the the the they they they they they were thi the the they were they were they were they were they were. they were they were. they were they were. Since they were. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. S. they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they they they. they they they they the the the the the the the they they the th. th. thi thi the. the. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. We they. the the the use could have been happening. But when you look at the records, the thing about them is there are nothing like what you would expect from that type of situation because they were given a full language with its own grammar and syntax, which checks out even by modern linguists in the 1970s. And they were given these immensely complex diagrams and things like that. And so,stair Crowley, who's also a pretty dubious character, when he was looking at this stuff in the 20s, or the 20s or 30s,

he said that if Kelly was making this stuff up, he had to be the greatest mathematical, simultaneously one of the greatest mathematical geniuses of Elizabethan England with a command of the English language, you know, greater than Shakespeare and Milton in the Bible. And I don't think that if you read this stuff, the language is also is so beautiful. It's hard to debate that. Aaron, why don't you believe in that?

But it could have been all of those things at once. It could have been mental illness too, like, I mean, right, you know, all those things. Yeah, it's possible. So, so, but I, I don't, you know, I put all those theories out there. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that rather than come in with a- Did you really just tell our guests he almost put you to sleep? He has a very soothing voice. I can't believe to be one of the most the most the most the most mean. Drop the truth here dog. Drop in truth. I for one found you to be one of the most interesting guests we've had on. It's been a real, Aaron is our local

skeptic slash asshole. Okay. So don't ever take anything he says serious. I am I'm very thankful that you came on the show. It's a fun episode for me. It's gonna get me started into this guy. I'd like to look into it. And yeah, that's it. Final thoughts from you, Ryan, and then I just want to push the dates again. Yeah, thanks so much Jason.

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