Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #78: Sex, Drugs and Rocket Roll with Jason Louv

Episode Date: March 30, 2018

Thanks for tuning in for another voyage into the supernatural realms of the world of Magick! Joining us in studio once again is Tin Foil Hat favorite, author Jason Louv. This episode we discuss..... 1) Jason's new book "John Dee and The Empire Of Angels" which is available for preorder now at JohnDee007.com! 2)The Tin Foil Hat Comedy Night live at June 1st at the Comedy Club in San Francisco and June 2nd at the Sacramento Punchline. 3)John Whiteside "Jack" Parsons born Marvel Whiteside Parsons 4)The Suicide Squad 5)Gnostic Mass 6)Thelema​ & The Beast​ 7) Aleister Crowley 8) L. Ron Hubbard 9) Babalon Working 10) ​The Sad End of Jack

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Hi Ryan. We're the first gay couple of conspiracy theory. I think it's beautiful, man. You're cool out there, partner? See that again? Hey man, we're a big truth there, dog! Oh, what the fuck you guys are you guys even talking talk talking talk talking talk talking talk talking talk talking talk talking talk talking talk talking talk talking talk talking talk talk talk talk talking talking talk talk talk talk talk talking to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be th tho tho tho th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thuth there, dog? What the fuck are you guys even talking about? Are you ready to get your mind blown on the line?

Yeah. You gave me the point too quick. I don't know because you always have a new edit on the song, so... I talked over everybody's favorite line. And welcome to Tinfoil Hat. You know who we are. You know what we're here to do. Guys, real quick, the big thing is June 1st.

Yes, Timfore Hat Comedy Night is coming to Cops in San Francisco. And also January, June 2nd to the Punchline in Sack. So go to Cobbs Comedy Club.com. Punchline Sack.com. to. to. to. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. tick. t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, t, I I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm toke. I'm toke. I'll. toke. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. I in sack. So go to Cobbs Comedy Club.com or Punchline Sack.com. Grab your tickets now. I think I haven't ran this by Eddie and I should have done this by now but I haven't but I think whoever brings to most people can either do a private podcast or join us on stage when we do our little thing at the end. So I'm still working that out but I think it's going to be a private podcast. Maybe if you come to San Francisco we do private podcast and then we head out

to Sacktown to go rock it again. Hell yeah. So that's what I'm thinking. What do you think? Yeah, I'm excited. I think it's going to be fun. We only have to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get to get 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 200 people to bring one friend. That's not that hard. We have a lot of listeners in San Francisco. Oh yeah. All you decoders, everyone that works for robotic firms, Google, anyone with a knit beanie, hippies. We know you're in fucking Frisco. All the counterculture, I think it's in Oakland now. Is it? I think they can't afford to live in San Francisco anymore. I don't even think the people who work at the companies that have made it too expensive

to live in San Francisco can live in San Francisco. That being said, come on out. Yeah, come on, dude, it's gonna be a great night. I'm excited about it. Cobbs is one of the best clubs in the country and I love San Francisco. I love gigging there. Joining us in studio, so let's get to the show, join us in studio. He was just on like a week ago, and now he's back, back by popular demand. I'm excited about this episode, so I'm glad you're here. Jason Louvre, everybody, welcome.

Thank you for having me back on. It's been so long since I saw you. Yeah, things have changed. Things have changed. You know, people loved you on the last episode You know they they got really mad at Aaron because he said mean shit at the end Oh Aaron said he's sorry about that, but I'm super excited Again, why don't you push your books because that's gonna be coming out soon. Yep. April 17th is John D. John D. And the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the nearly 600-page hardbook biography of not just John D. Who's the kind of most famous alchemist in recent history,

but also Alastair Crowley and Jack Parsons who I understand you guys are interested in. So it's really the definitive guide to Western magic, which is the secret spiritual tradition of Western culture, which has been kind of hidden and kept elite for several hundred years. And now everybody's interested in because now we have the internet and we can find out all about it. So everyone wants to know what's been kept from them. Well I'm super excited to read the book.

Did you say it's 600 pages? So that'd be about a good two years of my life. I'm going to 600. So that'd be about a good two years of my life. I'm going to do it though. I'm going to do it. How long does it take you to write a book that long? The book, the actual writing process took two years, but it was three years total including, you know, it started as an article for Boing Boing and then it turned into an e-book and then, and then I went through the negotiations... the the the th. the th. the th. the th. the actual th. th. the actual ththrough the negotiations with a publisher and then, you know, two solid years of writing. Yeah, I mean, I was sitting, I was literally sitting in a tiny office in Glendale by the Americana doing nothing but writing that book nonstop for, you know, the better part

of two years. It's kind of like putting out a special, like that's a book is putting out a comic putting out a special. Because that's about how long I think some guys try to do one a year I just think that's suicide. But I mean some people can do it. So I think it suffers if you do that too many times. But around two years is a good time to put out a good hour. I mean like you know it's so interesting too, it's like 560 pages in this attention span, you know, generation we live in now. How many people think get to the end of it? Is it, like, what is the normal book now?

Like, 200? Yeah, the normal book now, you know, I've worked in the publishing industry since I was, well, really since I was a teenager, I started... Were you a paper by paper here? Come get your wizard paper! I was not, but I worked in bookstores and then I worked in the publishing industry right out of, you know, even when I was in college, right out of college. So, yeah, the standard book now is kind of like a listical blog post that gets turned into an extended Kindle. So I really tried to do, you, you, you, you, you, you, I was, I was, th, I was very, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, an extended Kindle. So I really tried to do, you know, I was very inspired in writing this book by Will Durant,

who was a great historian of, wrote these massive books with his wife. He spent his entire life only trying to write the history of the entire world. And there's actually a theater named after it in Hollywood, but yeah, well, okay, so you say that people have a limited, thuuu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thus, thus, thus, th, th, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, th, they, th, they, they, they, they, they, I they, I th, I th, I th, I th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, throooan, throan, throan, and to to toan, thiiiiii. throooooooooooooo, and thi, th people have a limited attention span and I believe that for a long time but I don't think it's necessarily true because people will okay people have a short attention span when they're on Facebook when they're on their phone but not when they're listening to podcasts they'll listen to a three-hour podcast you know

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Yeah, but they'll sit there and binge watch a show. Yeah, it's interesting. I sat there and watch breaking. . breaking bad practically back-to-back, you know, so. Now as a comedian, we really get angry when, we don't get angry but we're kind of like, oh really, when a celebrity comes into our, like our world, like, you know, you see these improv on the road that they have like YouTube celebrities doing stand-up now And it's like, you know, who was it? Well, Ney Leaks or whatever name is

from the Real House Wives of Atlanta was doing like a week. I'm like, what is going on now? I can't imagine what, as an author, you must feel, because it sounds like you've been in that world for a very long time, with like, just everybody putting out books now. It's just like Kim Kardashian's putting out a book and you're like, it's always been that way in the publishing industry. And the publishing industry is exceedingly small compared to other other entertainment industries.

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People really got interest in stand-up comedy at when he blew up. And like, so I guess it's like, they're the necessary evil, huh? Well, I don't th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. th. th. th. I they's, I they's, they's, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're they're they're they're they would they would they're they're they would they would they would they would they would they would they would they would they would they would they would they would they would they would they would they would they would they'd like, they'd like, they'd like, they'd like, they'd like, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're they're they're they're like, they're like, they're like, they're like, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're,? Well, I don't even see it as evil, you know, it's just like there's different people want different things, you know, different products. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess you heard niche is it your niche, but that'd be great if they were like, hey, let me come hang out. Yeah, in this town you never know who's into what. This is LA, hold on a dark. T. T. T. Tha. T. th. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. N. the. N. N. the. N. the. the. the. N. the. the. N. the. the. N. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. N. N for sure man. Like the way they dress they say it's all black and whites. Where did I walk into? I walked into somewhere and I looked at the carpeting it was all checkered black and white and I go. Oh, sonic. This shit's fucking evil. Well, Kanye.

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got a ton of money and spent it all on cocaine and he was on more cocaine than anybody in the music industry in the mid-70s in Los Angeles which as you imagine might have might have to be a substantial amount of cocaine but he got really into magic when he did station to station and that whole album is about him using the dark arts to get more coke oh well that was only the first step the second step was to make himself the fascist dictator of Europe. And then he got a little, he got into trouble for that, as you might imagine. But he was, you know, he spent, he spent all of 1975 or 1974 coaked up in a room in LA, like drawing cobblistic patterns and trying to draw dimensional gateways to this in interviews, trying to, trying to see to see if to see if to see if to see if to see if the the they if they they they they they they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, he could they, he could theyc, he they, he could theyc, he got their, he got their, he got their, he got their, he got their, he got the, he got the, he got the, he the, he the, he the, he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he, he he, he, he, he, he, he.., he., he's they, he's they. Hea, he's the. Hea, he's thea, he's got, he's got, he's got, he's got, he's got, he's got, he's got, he's got, he's got, he got, he got, he got, he got, he got, he got, he got, he's try, he's try dimensional gateways to walk through. He's talked about this in interviews, trying to see if he could change the channel on

his TV without using the remote control with just his mind. And also he was convinced that which is the witch's thing. He was convinced that, you know, covens of witches in LA were after him for his seaman that they wanted to get it. And then he thought that he'd summoned he'd he he'd summoned he'd summoned he'd summoned he'd summoned he'd summoned he'd summoned he'd summoned he'd summoned he'd summoned he'd summoned he'd summoned he'd summoned he'd summoned he'd summoned he'd summoned he'd summoned he'd summoned he'd summoned he'd summoned he'd summoned he'd summoned the deviled he'd summoned the deviled the deviled the deviled the deviled the deviled the deviled summoned the deviled the deviled the deviled the deviled the deviled the deviled the deviled, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned the deviled, he'd summoned, he'd the deviled, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, he'd summoned, hethought that he'd summoned the devil into his swimming pool also. So luckily he got at least off the cocaine long enough to move to Berlin. And then he did those three amazing albums with Iggy Pop and Brian, you know, which are I think the greatest albums of the 20th century among them. But yeah, that was that was Bowie's period. And I feel like that's kind of, it's like that you have that moment of Bowie's life is kind of my entire, you know, last 10 years in LA.

Just being crazy people. Coke never did that to me, did. Coke was always just like, all right. This is about to get weird, you know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, like, just, I just like Coke because because I have a sex addiction and women like, the toe..... to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the coa, to to to to to to to to to to to the their, to to to to to to the the the the the the the the their, their, their their, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, to their....... their.. their.. their, their.. their, their, their, their, their, they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. the the ta. to to the the the the the they. the the the they. their they. their that just ends up working together. Never summoned any demons. You never summoned the devil in your swimming pool? Did Coke at the comedy store, never had a ghost asking if you could do a bump or anything. Well, I just got to do more I guess because it's like, go hard in the paint.

That's probably back when the coke was probably really good. Go harder, go home. cocaine days. They were just blown out. So since you've seen like a resurgence of the occult and interest in it, do you think we're going to see a second coming of Goth music? Is there any chance we're going to like... Goth never goes away. Right? Yeah, no, it's it's... yeah, it never dies. It's kind of undead in a way. Well I always noticed that when kids want attention they would always say that they were witches and they they they they they they they they they were w w w w w w w w w w w w. And they were w. And they were w. And they were w. And the they were w. And they were w. And the the the the their their their th. And th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their. their. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. I. Yeah. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. I th. I th. I th. I th. I t t t too. I too. I too. too. And, too. thee. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th were witches and that they love the devil. And I felt so bad for those kids because as my age, I obviously see that is a call for an attention. They just want attention. But like upstate New York, you know, 1988, you know? I mean, people are freaking the fuck out.

Well, you know what the good thing about our society now with Instagram and all that is mean people are freaking the fuck out. Well, you know what the good thing about our society now with Instagram and all that is is that the adolescent cry for attention can become an entire life. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, that is true with Instagram. Just look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me, look at me. You can just stay in that developmental stage for your whole life now. It is interesting. It is interesting. I mean, I'm glad we got you back so soon that this actually spurred out of our conversation leaving the studio last time.

I was like, man, I'd love to have you on to talk about Jack Parsons. And you're like, I have an whole chapter in my book about it. I could talk till the cows come home. a breaking bad. I don't know why, but I felt like he was kind of like, I don't know why this, it's like genius that's somewhat, you know, just it never quite works out the way he's like, he's almost too good for his own good, you know what I'm saying? It's too smart for his own good. And that it just, it didn't and I think that is every every like artist's fear is the kind of end up like this you know almost like I remember every comic watched the wrestler and they were just like oh no

you know that he's in a fucking lodge signing fucking things for people and you're like oh god please let me end up there and I feel like that's kind of like somewhat happened to this guy in a weird way. A little bit, but he got it, he got a, he only lived to the 38. So he had a pretty dramatic and sped up existence and he really just kind of went off the rails at the end. But he had a tremendous effect on the world. Jack Parsons was born Marvel Whiteside Parsons. How are you going to change your name from Marvel? Yeah, you already won the lottery there. You can't work at Burger King with the name Marvel.

You can't be, hi, Marvel, welcome Burger King. You might be surprised. You might be surprised. That is the American rocket engineer, a rocket propulsion researcher, chemist, and oh yeah, he just happened to be a thalemite, occultus, and friends with the one and only Alistair Crowley. How did that even come about? Yeah, let's start from the beginning. I guess let's let's get back to Caltech, where he formed the super nerd group called, called the Suicide squad. Ed Foreman and Frank Molina.

So this is where he started. Caltech, he's a young guy. That's where it starts at the beginning. Yeah, the nerds are into rockets. It's freaking the 30s. And that's kind of before there were rockets, right? Yeah, together the three formed what. Brave nerds, officially the first jackass crew. These guys are just blowing shit up and not worrying about it.

He really is the ultimate alpha nerd like male fantasy in a way, Jack Parsons. So yeah, Jack Parsons was a rocket scientist, and he was actually the guy who founded JPL, jet propulsion laboratories, came out of that group you talked about. And he was one of the people that that that that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that group you talked about. And he was one of the people that is responsible for getting America to the moon, one of the first enthusiasts for rockets. And so Parsons was a rich kid. He was born in Pasadena on a millionaire row, which is still there.

It's still one of the richest parts of LA, just incredible. And he, you know, came from wealth, but his parents divorced and they lost their money in the recession in the stock market crash. And he... That's crazy. Imagine that. He lost it all. But he was kind of like this crazy, weird, imaginative, you know, nerdy kind of kid. He was, but he was very tall. He became, he's like six feet tall. But he grew up reading science fiction and being interested in the occult and interested in, you know, became obsessed with the idea of making science fiction real, of get, of people getting to the moon.

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in LA. But, yeah, they're really into real estate, let's just put it that way. They buy everything on Hollywood. For monetary reasons. They're really, they buy. The second, a largest land, a real estate land owner in all of LA. What's them. What is Piken? Yeah, it's like the real estate company. Oh it's just, okay. Real estate's a great tax shelter. Yeah. So there you go. You know, not saying that has anything to do in Scientology. Do as thou wilt.

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We call that Armo Rich because that's what our meanings like to do. We like to buy like the useless stuff and then sleep on beambacks. That's awesome. That sounds like a really good lifestyle actually. He's thinking about that right. It's not that bad, dude. Yeah, he made his money in 1941, Parsons and the Suicide Squad founded Aerojet Engineering Corporation to sell their rockets to the military. In 1943, with the need for advanced research into rockets growing exponentially, Parsons co-founded JPL, which is Jet Propulsion Laboratory,

to continue his study. JPL is where science mingles with the supernatural and intertwines with the occult industrial military complex. Oh, man. Yes. So yeah, obviously, here's where, this is really one of the most improbable stories of the 20th century.

It's just so strange, but it actually happened. So yeah, he gets this mansion called the Parsonage and he is during the day he's working with this group that eventually turns into JPL and they start to get military contracts because up to this point they had been considered kind of just random crazies. But as the war effort, it started to move into the war effort, people started realizing this rocketry thing might be kind of important. Yeah. So they start to move into the war effort, people started realizing this rocketry thing might be kind of important. Yeah. So they start to get military contracts and there's companies are founded and then sold. So it's kind of like in a weird way,

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I called that the golden days. Okay? Let's find out. There's a time when it was legal and people like, they would, doctors be headache, you need to do an eight ball. Well, that's how Crowley, that's how Crowley became an addict. He had asthma from his mountain climbing days and they prescribed him coke and heroin is the only things that could cure asthma attacks. And then he just became junkie for the rest of his life. Unbelievable. Now, real quick before we're going to do it now with Adderall and all these other things they they they they they prescribe they prescribe they they prescribe they prescribe they prescribe they prescribe they prescribe I I I I I I I I I I I I they are they prescribe. I they are they are they are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I, I, I, I, I prescribe. Yeah, I they're they're they're they're they're they're they're, I they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they are, and they are, and they are, and they are, and they are, and they are, and they are, they are, they are, they are, they, they, they are, they, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, they're thi, thi. thi. they're just just just just they're just thi. they're just just they're just they're just they're just they're they're they're they're they're theys I prescribe people. Yeah, I mean like that's my whole problem. It's like people like, oh you don't believe in science. I totally believe in science. I just find scientists. You got to just question everything.

That's all I'm saying. How did they meet? Did they ever meet? Crowley and Parsons? Yeah. Not in person. They only communicated because Crowley was at this fairly desitute, you know, he was going through at this point the Blitz, the air raids, and World War II, and he was communicating with Parsons by email because at this point the group in LA, which became the first OTO, Ordo Templi Oriental Lodge in LA, which is Crowley's magical group, it was really the first experiment. It was the first group to do this in the US. And Crowley was, you know, very frustrated by them because you can imagine this guy with a classical education, you know, he knows Greek and Latin and it's so erodite and comes from this kind of up, you know, you know, at least upper middle class, English background, and has gone to Cambridge and then all over the world, you know, his philosophy gets to California and it turns into like a new age frat house. Yeah. He was a little frustrated with them

and just constantly pulling, well, I would say pulling his hair out, but he didn't have any. I always say don't be the trailblazer. Be like the two guys back from the trail after him. Like let's look at you had friends sir right what filed friends to my space who made the big bucks Facebook right yeah Parsons he was baling like a wizard he was accused of seducing aerojet secretaries by inviting them back to his mansion where debauchery drugs and fire dancing ruled. He met visiting scientists at his front door with a snake curled around his shoulders. He's just

getting weird. Yeah dude. Yeah Look, smart people get weird sometimes. What kind of, particularly when they get a lot of money and they start doing drugs. Yeah, we know this to be true. He starts having parties and sci-fi authors like Jack Williamson, Ray Bradbury, like you said, and Sprague de Camp, who comp, who author of over a hundred fantasy and sci-fi books he declared him an authentic mad genius if I ever met one but it doesn't end there right oh no wait there's more the FBI began investigating him as a possible security risk because they knew what he is up to well here's the thing so you had mentioned communism before in his student days as many young students do Parsons had been kind of invited along to a meeting of the American Communist Party and he was too naive to

know what he was getting into. And just because he went to a couple meetings, I think two or three meetings, and then of course as sometimes happens in these meetings, somebody said, hey, hey, hey, why don't we take this a little further? Why don't we, why are we just just just just justtalking? Why don't we take some action? And at that point Parsons was like, no, this isn't for me. I'm out of here. But he, you know, it was on his file that the FBI was aware that he had attended communist meetings. So at that point, it wasn't the occult stuff and it wasn't the parties. They were just like, oh, you went to a communist communist communist communist communist communist communist communist communist communist communist communist communist communist communist communist communist communist communist communist communist communist communist communist thin communist thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th th thi, th th thi, th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. this isn't thi. thi. this isnthey thought he was an eccentric weirdo and the FBI and the LAPD investigated him but they just decided that he was a freak and

not you know dangerous in any way. I read that they thought he was bisexual. He probably was. Yeah that was the OTO that people in the OTO thought that. Come on Sam we're elevated dude. Yeah I'm not judging we're like a year away from being full-blown, just, we're hanging out and hearing cloaks. You don't want to talk about being gay and full-blown at the same time. Listen, I, he said, oh man, slugs with adults, I don't care. I was just saying that. Yeah, that's, that's harsh.

That's a harsh one. That's a harsh one. I uh, yeah, I mean like dude usually when you're eccentric usually a lot of times when people have very active minds they do drugs because they want to turn. I mean like we've, we're in recovery, we've seen this. Yeah. We're like people just can't turn their brains off. Yeah. So they want to do drugs and get weird. I think that also when you're really intelligent, your own brain is one of the most, this is the most interesting thing to you, so you want to alter it.

But people love drugs, everyone loves drugs, you know. It's part of the human experience. Yeah, we are drugs. We're just a bag of chemicals, just interacting with itself, you know? Right. What is like a crazy time? You got to think about when they're doing all this. Like this this this th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, the, to, th, to, to, th, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, thi, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thr. thr. to, throooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo., th. a thousand times, but this is almost like the beginning of it To be into like black magic in the 30s or 40s It's just like an insane time. Yeah, that's the thing with Parsons. He kind of makes sense now

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One is he's doing way too many drugs, too much coke. He's probably, he may be making speed at this point, so, you know, as chemists do. And that's how the bathtub, dude, that's the old crank. Right, right. You know, that's the crazy crank. And then a certain somebody who shows up. L. H. H.R. His fortunes were not helped by the arrival at his house of a hugely charismaticicicicicicic. You you you you you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that's, you, you're, you, you, you, you, you, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's. that's. And, that's. And, that's. that's. that, that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that of a hugely charismatic young science fiction writer by the name of L. Ron Hubbard. Yeah. They've, that's, like, Ronnie Boy. Everything has its own subredd. That's why I learned about life. And there's just a small group of just people who write sci-fi.

And just think about the sci-fi this time. This is before like, like Star Wars that shit that kind of defines that genre. Totally. Like what would they were way inhead of that man and there was a whole group of that. They instantly became close friends. I mean like straight up stepbrothers moment like did we just become best friends? They were fencing together, they discussed magic together and they even perform magic rituals. Hubbard, Hubbard moved into Parsons mansion and taken to the air the air the air the air the air the air the air the air the air the air the air the air the air the air the air the air the air the air the air the air the air the air the air the air the air their their the air their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tiiiiii. te. te. te. te. teir. teir. teir. teir. teir. teiiiiiiiiiiii. te. te. te. te. te magic together and they even perform magic rituals Hubbard Hubbard moved into Parsons mansion and Taking to the air of free love like a fish to water worked his way through everyone's girlfriends Wooing them and wooing them I mean have you seen Elron Hubbard. I'm a redhead redheads were hit or miss were the thi thi, wea, thii's ugly, that. thi. thi. the. theads. theads. theads were theads were ugly as their head is their head is their. We're are ugly as their. We're ugly as their. We're ugly as their. We're ugly as their. We're ugly as their. their. their. their their their. their, their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the air, the air, the air, the air, the air, the air, the air, the air, the air, the air, the air, the air, the air, the air. the air. the air. the air. the air. the air. the air. the air. the air. the air. the air. the air. the air. th. the air. the air. the air. the air. the air. the air. the air. the air. the air. the air. the air. the air. the air. the air. the air. looking. How did LHR? He looks like the Gerber baby? Yeah, Mr. Stili, he's not, how is he Mr. Stilier girlfriend?

That's what I want. Some women are attracted to, I mean like dude, Stephen Hawkins like cheated on his wife with another check? Do you know how hard that is? When you. Did you see that picture apparently there was this is kind of horrible what maybe we shouldn't go this dark but there was okay okay let's just go there there was a after Stephen Hawking died there was a photo that of that showed up of him hanging out at Jeffrey Epstein's island and I don't know if you know Jeffrey Epstein yeah we've talked about him all right so there's like just this picture of him like partying with Jeffrey Epstein it's like what what what is this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this is this this this this this this this this the the the the th is the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th is th is the is the is the the the the the they. they. they. the the they. the the the the the the the the is the the is like the is this what what what what this dark this dark yeah future episode Stephen Hawking kid fuck yeah I was allegedly yeah this is one of the things you learn as a journalist just say allegedly yeah and everything's good hey he said

allegedly allegedly so I mean so I mean so almost like pinky swear before exactly as soon Hubbard moved on and stole Parsons girlfriend but Parsons was like a rider die homie he was kind of cool with it because he helped him do a little comedy you saw that in the 80s there's a very famous case of that Sam Kennon and what's the carlo? Karl bo's kid looks exactly like Sam Kansanson and eventually came out. George Harrison and Eric Clapton sharing a wife. Nice. Best friends. Why my guitar gently weeps, dude. But Hubbard made up for it by helping Parsons on the grandest magical working

he had yet attempted. This was known as Babylon Working, an attempt by Parsons to incarnate an actual goddess on earth. For weeks, the two of them engaged in ritual chanting, drawing occult symbols, much like Bowie, in the air with swords, dripping animal blood on runes, and masturbating in order to impregnate magical tablets. Do you think the Coke toer was like, dude, just I can't keep coming back here every day? Buy in bulk, dude. I mean... He walks in and just him circle jerkin with LRH. Put it over there, put it over there, come on, right by the pig squad.

So yeah, but when News got to Crowley in England, he was appalled. On May 22nd, 1946, he wrote a telegram, to the OT's other members Suspect Ron who I mean Imagine knowing Hubbard enough to call him old Ron. What was that old cop show? That was a suspect Ron playing confidence trick Jack Parsons weak fool obvious victim of prowling swindlers and of telegram. It's like, you're a dummy. Crowley was right though It tooks one scoundrel to recognize another you know game. Game recognize. of prowling swindlers. End of telegram. It's like, you're a dummy. Crowley was right though. It takes one scoundrel to recognize another, you know, game recognizes game. So he saw Ron as a shape-shifting little fucker from far distance. Parsons believed the magical working had been a success declaring it the greatest achievement of his life. Could you explain what Babylon working is actually a

goddess that has been around for probably since the beginning of humankind, human history. It goes back to Sumeria and you know the fertile crescent and talk about Anana and Ishtar and you go back back, back, back way back. When the role of the temple prostitute was venerated as like a goddess figure where like in these cultures there was the temple prostitute or the scarlet woman. And she'd hook up with everybody. Well, you'd go and you pay and you'd basically wait in line.

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yeah so Babylon shows up in John D and Edward Kelly's spirit diaries actually in the John D. Sessions and so we talked about on the last podcast the occult rituals done by Dee and Kelly the very last thing that happened in those sessions after seven years of them talking to angels is this figure shows up who identifies herself as the daughter of fortitude and says I am the whore and the holy one and kind of reveals herself as this goddess Babylon and actually this was right after the angels had commanded D. and Kelly to swap wives so they also got into the swinger thing right? This seems to happen with magic. There was much co-cays. There

was you know I don't know like weird you know moldy Elizabethan beer or something I don't know what they were doing but but so they had been commanded by the angels to swap their to the thei. their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. I I I. I. I was. I was. I was. I was. I was. their. their. their. their. their. their. I was. I was. I'm. their. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. So. I'm. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. they. they. they. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. commanded by the angels to swap wives as a method of sexual deconditioning, to get them to loosen up a little bit, right? I wonder if they both heard it or did one guy go, dude, the gods just hit me up. And he said that we should, it's not me, it's that guy up there. They want me to motorboat Betsy, do right, right, right. There was, yeah. So this has been debated by scholars, as you might imagine. But they both saw this figure, Babylon, show up and basically tell them, pronounce that she is this goddess,

the scarlet woman goddess, and it terrified them. It was the end of the sessions, because it was too much for them to handle. Crowley later picked up on this and made this figure, Babylon, the t figure Babylon, the center of his entire religion. And so really Babylon is the inversion of the Virgin Mary, or the Virgin Mary is considered holy because she is a virgin and pure and is untainted by the world. But Crowley reverses this and says that actually this is unholy. You know, this is obviously very blasphemous and controversial,

but I'm just saying what Crowley said. I'm not saying one thing or another. But he basically basically basically basically basically basically basically basically hiding from life, that to be virginal and pure is unholy because you're not engaging with the world, you're not embracing existence. So Babylon is the opposite of the Virgin Mary because she embraces everything, you know, the entire world. She's, yes. She's, you know, sex positive. We have talked about

this on the show before when we did the episode on the Black Sun that the demonization of our... The feminine divine. The feminine divine. And the feminine demonic, you know, which still terrifies men. We see it now with me too, we see it with feminism now, we see it with the March on Washington. Women's sexuality and the idea that men cannot control women's sexuality has always terrified men and it still terrifies men and we see it in the news every day now. You know, like this is Babylon, this is the scarlet woman, the woman girt with a sword as Parsons said, and and you know, Kali in the Hindu tradition, you know, beheading Shiva and holding up the

heads of all the men that she's beheaded, you know, like a garland of severed male heads just like, you know, just try it, right? This is Babylon or, you know, similar, a similar cultural representation. She's the original pussy riot, right? Well, the funny thing about Kali is she only looks that way when you are afraid, toa, to, thapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapu, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's the the the the the the thi, thi, thi, thi. thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii. thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi. And, thi, thi, thi. And, the funny thing about Collie is she's only looks that way when you're afraid of her, but when you love her, she shows her a true apparent. She might behead you anyways. You know, you gotta watch out. Into the mouth of the, everyone's got things. It is interesting that the, uh, the demonization of the divine feminine, the divine, the demonic feminine. And, uh, it's so weird because I see, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's so weird, it's, it's, it's, it's, everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone, it's, the, everyone, it's, it's, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, it's, it's, it's, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the thi, the, the, the, the, thi, thi, you, you're these arguments because I hate the generalization of all white guys. We have a bunch of white guys in here.

Nobody hates anybody. We all love, but right now we're taking a beating because the actions at the top and you know, and I defend that. And then you hear women always say men are afraid of a strong woman like my girlfriend is like a world beat her you know like she's a dominator I've always dated women like that so I've never been like that you know I don't understand that but I guess that is like something that's out there that weak men want weak women not me not me man every woman I've ever really been in Loveland has been like super masculine I even like turned to lesbian one time. I have very feminine qualities,

but I guess that's just growing up with women. Not being like afraid of the feminine side. I think that's what we're seeing in this whole. Men being afraid of women, that's you just being afraid of yourself. Yeah. Like you have a shadow inside of you that's feminine. That's feminine side. Well, I think that feminists also would say that feminism is, you know, one of the feminist arguments is that men also have a feminine side, that they also oppress within themselves,

and that that's part of the oppression of, you know, that side of humanity. And that, uh, I think that's probably something Parsons would have agreed with. He had a very radical, he was very almost libertarian, but he had just a radical and anarchistic view of what life could be. He wanted, you know, pure women's liberation. He wanted everyone to have access to space travel. He wanted everyone to have access to consciousness alteration and drugs. He wanted to break, in a lot of ways he predicted

the 60s. He said that when he did this ritual, the Babylon working, one of the things that Babylon told him was that there will be a coming generation that will reject all this prosaic 50s bullshit and will reject conscription, like the draft and we'll want sexual freedom and sexual liberation, and we'll want god-like powers and all of that has happened. I mean, you know, if you think of, you know, I think of technology as magic, you know, the ability that we can with this phone do things that ancients would consider magic. You can tap something on this and summon whatever you want from Amazon will show up tomorrow. Yeah. Boom. There you can talk, you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you th, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you can thi, you can thi, you can thi, you thi, you thi, I thi, you can thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, you thi, I I I I I I I thi, I I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I th thi, I think, I think, I think think think think think think think think think think think think think think think think think think think think think, I think think, I think, I think, I think, I think think, think think, you think, I think think, you think, I think, you think, I thin, I thin, I thin you can talk to, you can have telepathy, you can read the thoughts and send thoughts to anyone in the world immediately.

Yeah. You know, like you can record, you can make, you can, so, you know, when we talk about magic, you know, we have to kind of take a broad Catholic in the true sense, view of that word, and it's just kind of the things that that that that that that that that thowers powers, that that thowers powers, that, thi powers, that, thi powers, that, thi powers, that, that, that, thi power, that, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, thi. that, that, that, to to that, to to to, to, to, to, to, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can can can, you can, you can can can can can can can can can can can can can, thi......a, thi.a, thi.a, thi.a, thi.a, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, their, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, their, their, the powers that humanity have now are absolutely Promethean. And so Parson saw the radical, I wouldn't call it women's liberation, I would say exalting the most, the most intense parts of everything, not just women, but everything that had been oppressed. He was a pure idealistic anarchist. He wanted everything out in the open and total liberation for humanity. And I think it happened, but he didn't live much longer after that, unfortunately. And if he did, he probably would have had a very

guiding role in the 60s. But this was the message that came, you know, they summoned this goddess Babylon who gave them, you know, Hubbard was allegedly acting as a psychic and was, and thiiiiiiiiiii, and thi, and was kind, and was kind, and was kind, and was kind, and was kind, and was kind, and was kind, and was kind, and was kind, and was kind, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tota, total total total total total total total total total thi, and thi, and thi, and thi, they summoned this goddess Babylon who gave them, you know, Hubbard was, you know, allegedly again, acting as a psychic and was kind of receiving messages in the same way that Kelly had. And of course Hubbard's like, yeah, the goddess Babylon is talking to me and, you know, tells me to give you, you should give me all your money and all this. But the work that emergence, they actually exhibited the book of Babylon that he transcribed at the Mocha in West Hollywood I think three or four years ago. Can you buy a copy of this? It's online.

It's only 77 lines, so it's a very short. It's less than a thousand words. So they just chanted it over and over. It took me a couple months. Well, it was a received, it was a the book, it was a the the theeeehionionionionionionionionionionionionionionion, they the th. they the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. It's th. It's, th, th, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. It's the the. It's thea. It's the thea. It's thea. It's thea. It's thea. thea. thea.ooooooo. It's, the. It it was a received, it was like the book of the law. It was like a received, it was a received book. But they were doing Anoki and Magic, which comes from Dianne Kelly in order to, in order to open this up. And they got the result and then Babylon according to Parsons manifested as this woman Marjorie Cameron who was showed up at the house like you know they they went into the desert in the Mojave and they did this ritual for 11 days where they were doing a nookian

magic and they were adding sex magic to it and all this stuff and then at the end of the 11 days they came back to the house and this woman Marjorie Cameron was sitting there who just moved in and she was this spitting image of the scarlet woman is Babylon is called and you know immediately the Parsons and her immediately began doing sex magic together and she just kind of was the avatar of Babylon or at least walked into Parsons projecting that onto her, you know, if you want to be a bit more cynical about it, which I think is fair, but, um... So interesting, yeah, but and it got crazier from there and the they were doing, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, the the the the the the the the the th, th, the th.. th. the th. the th. the the the the the the the the the the th. thi, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, th, th, th, th.. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, thi, thi, the. the. P. Pars, thea, thea, thea. thea. Pars, thea. Pars, thea but and it got crazier from there and they were doing, you know, they spent the next couple years trying to manifest this force of Babylon, which is, you know, Crowley was very into this idea of Horace

which was kind of the anti-christ and the idea of all of the old religious structures being destroyed and Parsons really clued in to the fact that it was a little bit too macho and it had to be balanced out by a feminine counterpart, which was Babylon. And we see Babylon not just in the 60s, but in the witchcraft movement and the popularity of which, the massive popularity right now in the last five years of witchcraft with young women. That's what Parsons is talking about in the 50s, talking about that in the 50s where he writes a manifesto called, we are the witchcraft, where he talks about the pure witchcraft coming back and women gathering and covens and things like that.

This is before Wicca happens. I love all that, man. Well, you alluded to it. Jack has a sad ending, unfortunately. He managed to obtain some consulting work on rockets. He was like bought out of Aerojet. And he was also, Elrond Hubbard stole his chick, and then ran off with like $20,000 of his money. He got caught, as they say.

Back in the day. He was accused of consorting with communists in the pre-war years and be involved, and toe, and toe, and toe, and toe, and toe, toe, toe, toe, th, th, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, too, too, too, thi, thi, thi, too, too, the too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, too, too, the the the the the the the years and being involved with what the FBI termed a love cult. He was a security current strip from him. He was forced to pump gas, fixed cars, and eventually end up using his incredible scientific knowledge to make explosive squibs for Hollywood movies. Those are the little bolts that blow up in front of your chest. But boom. On June 17, 1952, a huge explosion ripped through his home laboratory. After police found Parsons still alive, although half his face has been ripped off, exposing the skull beneath.

His right arm was missing. Surrounding him was rocketry, papers and pentagrams, occult drawings and chemical formula. He died shortly afterwards. He was only 37 years old. Oh my god. Yeah. Blue himself up in his garage in Pasadena. Now there was there a theory that there might have been some sabotage. There was definitely that theory. So here's the deal. I mean, Parsons lost his security clearance because of his connections with communism and then all that, yeah, he couldn't get a job. He was doing, working, yeah, as a janitor. But as a. But as a. Par. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. th. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, he. the, he. the, he. the, he. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. the. the. the. the, the, the, the, the, the, the all that yeah he couldn't get a job he was doing working yeah as a janitor as a gas station as a dental assistant or you know the guy in charge of drugs for Dennis which he's probably getting all kinds of drugs that way and he at one point went to work for Howard Hughes oh my god and then he got an offer to work for the Israeli government doing rocketry which is right before he

died and he and Cameron were going to move to Mexico to start working on rockets the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tea.a. tea. tea. tea. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tea.a. tea. tea. tea.ea.ea.ea.ea.ea. tea.ea. tea. tea. tea.ea. tea. tea.ea. tea Cameron were going to move to Mexico to to start working on rockets for the Israelis and they he was blown up the day before they went. So there it's a little logically follows that people might not have wanted a rocket scientist going over to a different country and I thinkthink that also, he had also very much angered the LAPD in the 50s because he had been, he had testified in an explosive explosives case where an ex-LAPD officer had had killed somebody in a car bomb potentially and he had testified against the LAPD. Oh my God. So they hated him and so there was another angle. But I think the real story is, I mean, look, the guy was on a ton of drugs.

He had decided he was the Antichrist. He declared himself the Antichrist and his role was to destroy Christianity by manifesting Babylon. So he was a little out there. He had a little twitch going, you know. Normal people aren't entertaining, dude. Well, you don't become a rock world's first rocket scientist or one of the first ones if you're normal. Yeah, so but he was rocking it till the wheels were going to come off. You know, he just is like, all the way. And that's kind of why he's so legendary now, because you know, most people pull themselves back from the brink. But he was just like, fuck it. I'm the th people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people people. the the the the the th. the th. the th. the th. the the th. th. the th. the the the their th. their the first people people people p-f. their the first people people people p-f. the first. the first people people people people. the first. the first. the first. the first. the first. the first. the first. the first. the first. F. F. F. F. F. F. F. F. F. F. F. F. F. F. F. F. F. F. the first. the first. the first. the first. the first. the first. the first. the first. the first. the first. th. th. th. th. the th. the th. the their. the the the the the the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first the first. the firstichrist all the way He's dumb on Louise dog. They're like fuck it drive off the cliff

Well, yeah goes. I'm a little leery to even by ask Aaron what he thought but let's try it out Don't be an idiot Well, you better be sick dead or mute. Hey, Aaron, you don't mess up. Get filthy animal. Aaron. I thought this was fascinating. I knew a little bit about Jack Parsons from our good friends at the dollop. And a little bit from drunk history as well. So this is all super fascinating and wacky. I love it.

I loved it. It was a great conversation. It went so fast. I can't believe it's seven. It's crazy. That was excellent. Jason, you're wonderful to have I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th th th th th th th. I th th. I th. I th. I th. I tho. I tho. I th. I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. I th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I tho. I tho. I tho. I tho. I thou tho. I thou. I tha. I thoue. I thoua. I tha. I thoua. I tha. I thoua. I tha. I tha. I tha. I tha. I tha. I loved it. It was a great conversation. It went so fast. I can't believe it's seven. It's crazy. That was excellent. Jason, you're wonderful to have on. I sorry for a couple of the jokes, uh, well, too hard in the pain. But let's plug that book again because guys, this is pre-order, and it's going to sell out and you're going the Empire of Angels. And it is, as we said, a massive book. And it starts with the first two-thirds of the book

are about D. and Kelly and the birth of Inoki and Magic. And the system called Inoki, and channeled and channeled and the second or the last third of the book is about Crowley and Parsons were the ones that really took the system and that we were just talking about. And Crowley and Parsons were the ones that really took the system and used it and operationalized it and put it into practice, which was according to the Angels, the point was to bring the end of the world about. So yeah, so all this stuff is in there, and it pieces everything that Parson's work

is the rea, and period and all the way up to the modern era and all the things that Parsons work has been responsible for. You can get the book at John D.007.com or if you just searched John D. on Amazon, it's the first thing that pops up. And it actually is, I just heard back from the publisher, they've already gone past their orders for the first print run is going to sell out immediately after it's up, which is April 17th. I recommend that you pre-order one if you want to get one because that probably means that the first edition,

because it is a hardback of cult book, is probably going to go up in value. And there actually may be some gaps where you may not be able to get it when they're waiting for the next print run from the publisher back into the warehouse at Amazon. So I really recommend pre-ordering it so you get one as soon as they're out. Get it on top. And where can they find you on your social media and Instagram and all that? So if you go to, just go to Jason Louve. And everything is there. my social media and all the other stuff I've done. You can see my magic courses, you can see

all my books, you can see all my blogs and everything that I've got. And of course if you want the, you know, I have the free course on magic. I love that. I read everything. Oh, what do you think? I love it? I love all of it. I'm really interested in this stuff. I'm hoping that we can turn Sam more and more goth as the year goes on. Do you want to be goth in your 40s? Yeah, dude. Come here just like, I wear black at the outside because that's how I feel. We're going to get some black. LA is the place to do that. But yeah, if you want the free, again, it's June 1st.

Come on, NorthCal. Anybody ever want to go to San Francisco, fan of the show. This is a night to do it. Go to the Cobbs Comedy Club. tocko, buy your tickets now. I think we're going to do the podcast with whoever brings to most people. I'm going confirm with that with Eddie this week but we're gonna do that. We'll sit down a little podcast come on we'll promote whatever you want to promote and we'll do it. This was a great episode I hope you guys enjoyed it and

we're gonna do more of these with Jason so guys thanks for tuning in and we'll see you next time. Good? Yeah, dude. It was great, man. Awesome. It was great.