Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #788: Dream Walkers and Psychedelic Therapy For PTSD With Ryann Bee Gordon

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Starting point is 00:00:48 You know I am, you know I'm here to do. I'm here too. RAHR. Join me as always Xavier Guerrero and on the ones and twos, J. Nice, Juicy Johnny Woodard. Hello. Guys we have a fun, fun, fun, change of pace. a weird show for you today. I'm excited about it. It's a good show. It's an exciting show. We have Ryan B. B. B. B. B. B. B. Borton coming on. Very excited to have her on. We have a fun

Starting point is 00:01:12 conversation about psychedelic therapy for giving your parents and dream walking. Guys, if you want to see us live, go to Sam Tripli.com. I got Kansas City, Missouri coming up. That's all I have. I will be putting together a tour starting in August. I'm taking July off to hang out my family. I just want to be great. That's all I want to do is be great. And guys, real quick, all of this, all of this is happening from the Wise Wolf, Gold and Silver Adjacent Studios. That's right, it's adjacent. Go to Sam Tripoli.gold and join the Wolf back for his little $50 a month,

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Starting point is 00:02:36 and she has a book out called The Bridge Inside. Please welcome, Ryan. Ryan, thanks so much for having me on. I've been a huge fan for a while and yes, I was there at your comedy show down in Plano in Dallas and things got pretty heated. There were some real weird sitting over on the side like what were I don't even know they like started shit with you while you were on the stage and thin's got really weird but that night I ended up giving you a copy of I don't even know, they like started shit with you while you were on the stage and things got really weird, but that night I ended up giving you a copy of my book, so I'm really

Starting point is 00:03:11 glad that we were able to get in touch and, you know, do this interview. I'm super excited. We're out here manifesting. Yeah, you know, that was just right after the glorious pronoun bit had exploded on the internet and is now my freebird. th. th. th. th. to to th. th. to to th. th. th. to th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I thi. I. I th. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. th. th. th th th to. I'm to. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm thi. I'm thi. I'm thi pronoun bit had exploded on the internet and is now my free bird everywhere I go people ask me what my pronouns are and I let them know my pronouns so interesting time that was the only time that's ever happened it was very weird tiny tiny tiny pygmies coming to my show finding to fight me I'll get that I'll fight you anyways. Well they bought tickets right so I'm like how did they get in there you? You the the their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. I their. their. I their. their. their. their. th. th. their. their. th. I'm th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. Anyways. Well, they bought tickets, right? So I'm like, how did they get in there?

Starting point is 00:03:48 You know, like they had to have bought tickets. So those are like, those are like dedicated haters, right? You saw him in person. You saw him in person could have Sam taken him if he needed to. Oh yeah, they were like, their, their, their, their, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they, they, they they, they, they, they were, they they they they they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they they they they they they they they they they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were.. they were, they they they they they all crouched down like didn't look like a fighter. Yeah he would do they were both tiny ethnic midgets they just really were and they were just tiny and they were just trying to disrupt the show the whole time because you know they heard a word and they just wanted to come and and just room people's fun but at the the sheriff there he didn't care the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. to come and just ruin people's fun. But at the end of the day, I had a sheriff there. He didn't care.

Starting point is 00:04:26 It was great. Anyways, enough about that great night. I want to ask you for our listeners who may not be familiar with you, I know you told us a little bit about yourself. But tell us a little bit more and where our listeners can find you. Okay, so my name is Ryan B. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. It th. It's. It's. It's. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's that's. It's that's that's that's about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about about. that. that. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's.... that's..... that's.. that's. th. th. It's. It's. It's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the th. the th. th. that. that. that. th. that. that. that. that. that. with you in B.E. As then Bumblebee. That's my middle name. It's family name and then Gordon. I'm an author of The Bridge Inside. It is a novel about psychedelic therapy for PTSD. And I've been writing my whole life. I'm a journalist.

Starting point is 00:05:01 I write for a couple of different periodicals in like the Southwest, down in Texas, and Oklahoma. I do creative events to like poetry events and writing events to kind of help people explore their minds. So my huge topic of research right now that I'm talking a lot about is psychedelic therapy for PTSD and in my book it's a narrative fiction so it follows a woman's journey with PTSD. Every other chapter is a dream and then they turn to nightmares and then they turn to the therapy sessions. So I was really exploring the actual process of psychedelic therapy and exploring the mind and really how we can kind of heal ourselves through revisiting those traumatic experiences that cause most certainly PTSD.

Starting point is 00:05:52 Well I love all that. You know I have a friend of mine who's no longer with us who I love and miss so much Brody Stevens. There's a many different reasons why he no longer is with us. People debate it all the time. Some people think he was changing his medication. There's other reasons I personally think, but one thing is I don't have a lot of regrets in my life and one of my regrets is not doing mushrooms with Brody-Stevens.

Starting point is 00:06:21 I would love to shroom with him and see if we could kind of get him out of his whole thing because he could never come to shroom with him and see if we could kind of get him out of his home thing because he could never come to grits with how much people loved him. He didn't just, he was always chasing something over there and never appreciate what was right here right now. So I think that the, the, the, the, we've had guests in the past that have, have insinuated that there is a sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the sort the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, is, is, is, is, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the, to, the, the, the, the, the, the past that have insinuated that there is a sort of intelligence syop behind psychedelics, that people at times will take them and they will imagine what they think they're seeing and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:07:05 What is your, because when we get into like, I study like Silicon Valley in the history of the CIA with the hippie culture and all that. And we see that, you know, it was all about crystal meth and acid in Hadeshperry. And now everybody's Silicon Valley is micro-dosing it on Adderall. It's like super interesting to me that that you know that foundation was laid and now now you see these people who are supposedly the brightest minds of the world, you know, and they're they're just straight up following that same course. What are your thoughts on that? Yeah, um, well, I have a lot of thoughts on that. So I think that there are other planes of existence, so to speak, different drugs, different psychedelics, different types of prayer even, I think can enter you into other planes that are right here or, you know, complete other dimensions. So they say that every dimension is within a 45 degree angle of one another. So if you've ever tripped really hard on shrooms and you've like,

Starting point is 00:08:08 or if you've ever done DMT and you kind of like zap into this other space right where you're sitting, everything like looks a different like shade, color, everyone kind of knows what each other is thinking. And there's different planes like that that I think different spiritual awakenings or drugs can induce. So as far as the meth goes, the book that I'm currently writing is called Poison and it has a whole trope of that of like you know shadow people and sleep deprivation and how it kind of opens a gate to this lower, darker plane. So I think that like there are different levels to that and I had somebody

Starting point is 00:08:52 you say to me one time who I would eat a lot of mushrooms with he says sometimes I just think about him and I start tripping and that like open the door. You hang out with Theo Vaughan? Who are you hanging out with? No he was like from Brooklyn you had like that to th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th th th th th th at th at th at thin, okay. So thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, thi thi thi, thi, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, thi. So, like with Theo Vaughn? Who are you hanging out with? No, he was like from Brooklyn. He had like that tooth and he was like major pain. Sometimes I just think about a must start tripping. And I was like that open the door. I'm like, I tell people I'm permissuaming.

Starting point is 00:09:16 Because if I think hard enough about it, you can like see the my the my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my. You know, just like whenever you were shrooming. I like that. Yeah. So I think that there are different ways of accessing those worlds. I think it's intertwined with dreams and dream worlds. I think some people do it in their sleep and I think some people do it through meditation. And some people are doing it without even knowing it, like meth users. Yeah. So we'll get into that because I find out one of the most interesting people, and if you are researching into that world, I would tell you, dude, look up Jessa Reed, who's, who's appeared on the show.

Starting point is 00:09:57 She was in town for, like, she calls me, hey, I'm in town for two days. I'm like, you got to schedule so we can get you on the show but you know she had discussed that much earlier one of the earlier shows we did that kind of opened my mind because at the time I thought she's crazy and like not crazy I that's that's a little what you know I was I was lost in my drug abuse at the same time, and she was getting into her drug abuse, and she was talking about how deep she went on a crystal meth. And at the time I was struggling with speed as well. Even I was like, well, this girl's a tweaker, you know, and she was sober at the time. But she talked about how she discovered that if you drink your own pee

Starting point is 00:10:45 when you were high on speed, it'd get you higher, right? And she did it one time and she got so deep that she talked to entities. And this is where I was like, okay, this is the trippers trip right here. And I'm only being honest, she knows I love her and I'm not just justrying to mock her. I was just being honest with my reaction at that time. I think she's gold. So she starts talking about how she She saw entities and they told her that the meaning of life is learned to play the game and

Starting point is 00:11:16 I that will always stick with me because I thought it was just you were on tweak and you talkedto entities. And then it turns out later on, I just start studying all this things and I just start finding out like, it really is about learning to play the game. Yeah, it's about playing, we lost Xavier Greer. It's learning about playing the game of life. And it's what I'm teaching my daughter. So the point is it's like, I find it's very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very verytalking about. Now, I'm recovered. I'm sober right now, right?

Starting point is 00:11:48 I have very little desire at all to return to drugs or alcohol. I'd never really, the craving's gone, right? I mean, it's always impossible, but it's pretty gone, but, okay, but the reason I bring up recovery is because one of the big things in recovery is like to really There's a saying in recovery and it's you're only as sick as your secrets, right? It's like it's really important to to kind of be honest about all this crazy stuff you've done in the past. And you know it sounds like what what you're talking about is like, you know, psychotherapy for PTSD. Can you tell us a little bit about, I think it's important to look at these traumatic

Starting point is 00:12:33 moments in your life and come to grips with them and own them and so that you can move on. So let's talk a little bit about that. Yeah, so, so the thing I guess that, which I didn't realize at the time, kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind kind to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me to me in to me in to me in to me in to me in to be in to be in to be in to me in to me in to me in PTSD to me in to me in to me in to me in to me in to me in to to to to to to to to to to me in to me in to me in to me. And, and to me. And, and to me in. And, and to me in. And, and to me in. And, and to me. And, and. And, and. And, and. And. And, and. to me. to me. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. the the. the. the. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. that. Yeah, so the thing I guess that, which I didn't realize at the time kind of interested me in PTSD was my pop-all, he was a POW in Vietnam at 18. They lined them all up on their knees and shot him all in the back of the head and it broke off a piece of his skull. He saved another man and the guy ended up committing suicide. So he actually just passed away two weeks ago, but I mean he was ready to go. He told me his whole, he told me all the time. He said, I keep trying to die and I just won't. And like, the guy like came back from the war, got hit with a brick working like over the head. Like, things like, he just wouldn't he like you know he he would always talk to me about what happened in Vietnam and so like hopefully one or and one day I will get around I will write down like the stories that he told me but as a kid

Starting point is 00:13:33 he wasn't talking like that to my cousins like he was like telling me like you know just little like out the side of the mouth like oh what I I saw and I was like okay you okay, you know, like whatever. But like, he would come talk to my schools. And I always thought it was like, gangster as fuck. Like I was like, yeah, that's my papa, you know. And yeah, so I never realized that he had PTSD. And whenever I started the book, I read an article in Vanity Fair. It was probably like, it was like eight years ago, maybe. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, th........ the th. the th. the the th. th. their, their, th. their, th. th. their, their, th. th. their, their, like, like, like, like, their, their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th.. th. the th. th. th. th. th. they. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the, the, th.. th. th. th. th. th. th It was probably like, it was like eight years ago, maybe seven. And it was about MDMA therapy for PTSD.

Starting point is 00:14:11 So I, the story that was in there, the woman, she went through not like a war veteran, PTSD, which doesn't actually make up the full percent. People always talk about, oh, like war, like whenever I say it's MD or a psychedelic therapy for PTSD, they're like, oh, so like a war victim or whatever, and I'm like, so the book itself is not following a, you know, war-inflicted PTSD. It's following a woman's journey who, you know, has a great trauma happen to her, which is where a lot of PTSD lies. So in the, in the article, in the article, in the article, in the article, in the article, in the article, in the article, in the article, in the article, in the article, in the article, in the article, in the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their, or their, or their, or their, or their, or their, or their, or their, or their, or their, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the the the the the the the the the thea, Ia, Ia, tea, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their great trauma happen to her, which is where a lot of PTSD lies. So in the article I read, which I kind of based my story around, the woman, she goes to the

Starting point is 00:14:52 therapy sessions, which for MDMA therapy for PTSD, it's a really intense, extreme process. It's three, eight-hour sessions with two psychotherapists. So you're going in with two psychotherapists. So you're going in with two psychotherapists. You're basically spending the rest of the day with them because they want you to kind of sleep there typically. Then you're going to talk about it after you get some rest and reflect. And you take, you know, the medication you put on sleeping masks. And this is like, you know, lab grade MDMA. So you can imagine, I mean, especially if you've never done drugs,

Starting point is 00:15:27 like the woman's story, she, it sounded like acid to me at the time, and I hadn't, and I didn't know all the things I know now, but at the time it was like super ethereal, she blasted off, you know, like, she was like seeing this like almost dream world and it was really beautiful from a different perspective. So she essentially you walk with MDMA it releases oxytocin and serotonin which oxytocin makes you feel really comfortable like you know it's like when mother's milk and then serotonin makes you feel happy. So with PTSD there's a wall that is created that keeps you from remembering the exact moment that caused your trauma. So anytime you start to remember it, like for example, a war veteran, they hear like a loud crash and they start having physical

Starting point is 00:16:19 responses because their brain and their body is trying to keep from remembering it. So with MBMA, it breaks down those walls and keeps the body from having physical re-theremem the the the the their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their brain and their body is trying to keep from remembering it. So with MBMA, it breaks down those walls and keeps the body from having physical responses to the trauma. So you're able to actually remember it without like physically fight or flight panicking and running or, you know, fighting back or something. So, you know, people people always like I have these stickers I give out and it says a novel about psychedelic therapy and one out of three people they say oh like ketamine and I'm like no no like and I'll get into that what I think ketamine is as far as that you know part of the psychedelic therapy alternative medicine, what they're doing with that. But, and then the other third of people will be like, oh, like mushrooms. And I'm like, no, I wish, like, because I don't, I mean, I've done MDMA, but like, I don't do it anymore, and it doesn't really affect me.

Starting point is 00:17:18 I think mushrooms actually, like, mda, like, the serotonin rush or something. actually like change my brain chemistry to where MBMA doesn't affect me anymore like the serotonin rush or something. So what is MDMA? What is it exactly? So MDMA is...M-A.M-A. Excuse me. Yeah it's metal, metal, something, it's a long word, but it's basically ecstasy, you know, like like the 80s rolling my mom, she makes me so mad because she'll be like, whenever I tell people MDMA, she's like, like ecstasy, and I'm like, mom, that decredits it, but I'm like, she grew up in the the hadies, you know what I mean? And, but with like, you know, ecstasy and stuff, or like, like, thrown, they're like, thi...... thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, thirty, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like called Rolls or Stacks, and they were like, but those are basically, like, Molly is supposedly a pure form of MDMA, but they're all cut with other things. So like the ecstasy that people are doing on the streets, typically is going to be cut

Starting point is 00:18:19 or mixed with like meth or, you know, some other compound that is like going to make it not like a pure form of MDMA the chemical. And you can't you can't like that's not considered medicine you can't. Are you asking for a friend Xavier are you asking for my friends that use it at EDC? Yes I am asking for them. Oh yeah right like I went to EDC actually in 21. So I saw your pictures there, it was dope. But everybody at EDC, you know, is like on that shit. Like, they're, and they're the nicest people ever.

Starting point is 00:18:54 Like, literally one time I, well, maybe not at EDC, but certain like house festivals, one time I swear my friend left the their their their their the ground, in the middle of the dance floor. We come back like eight hours later and people are like dancing around it, like guarding the jacket. Like they're like, we knew you'd be back. And so like it's just like the love drug or whatever. Taking it on your own is not considered therapy. Although some people might like, you know, a fine therapeutic means to it. And, you know, like, it started with being a therapy, a couple's therapy drug in like the 70s or something. So, you know, I've heard about like couples who are older, who like experiment with that,

Starting point is 00:19:38 every like a couple months or something like that. I can see that being therapeutic for them, but I don't recommend taking any like street MDMA just because of like fentanyl and all that these days unless, I mean, you can test it, but I still, I don't think like, and I mean, to a certain extent, like you don't even know what you're getting in a lab too. You have to really trust the doctors, trust the institution and all that. Interesting. Hey guys, I want to tell you about our man, James McMahon and Copy My Crypto. The crypto market is really cooking up, getting interesting, dude. Things are getting interesting, especially with the dollar being weird. So let me tell you about James Man and copy my crypto.

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Starting point is 00:25:50 What is happening? So, you know, like we talked about like the chemicals, but say that so with the therapy sessions, there's three, eight hour sessions. The first session is going to be like, you know, just like sitting down talking about your basic therapy, like what went on last week and blah blah blah. And then the second session is going to be talking about like your childhood or, you know, just like distant memories. And then the third session is going to be getting into the actual trauma, like the memories and all that arising and surrounding around that, you know, the actual, the, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the the the the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, trauma like the the memories and all that arising and surrounding around that you know the actual event that you're

Starting point is 00:26:30 trying to heal. So basically like what what I've seen is in people's stories recounting their experience with MDMA therapy for PTSD it was like it was like it was like they were walking through the same memory but like the the the lost one or the thing the thing the thing th th thing th thing thing th thing th th th th th th th th th th. th. thir the the thir the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thir thir the thir thir thir thir their the a the around their their their their their a their, like, like, like, th, like, like, like, like, like I always wish I could shriom with my friend who passed away. I was like in my head going to be like, well, maybe you kind of can if you're like spiritual like that. But for I mean, we don't really know if these memories whenever they're seeing, they're lost loved ones, coming back and reassuring them that you know, like that this was meant to happen and that you're meant to be stronger from this and that you can like help people going through similar things and all that. We don't know if it's in their head, if it's a spiritual thing, like they are in another dimension or they are in

Starting point is 00:27:39 heaven or they're right here but in another plane that is like, you know, just 45 or 90 degree angle away from us. So, so if we go in there, we're having these three sessions, third session, I'm talking about my trauma and what's going on, and have you, has anyone explained to you what the process is? Like why is this working? Because we've had guests on talking about how the government is really trying to use psychedelics to deal with a lot of what is going on, you know, when we send our troops into these war zones. And they're coming back traumatized and they're trying to use all these different

Starting point is 00:28:26 psychedelics whether it's MDMA or mushrooms or whatever. Do we have you have you done any research into what exactly happens? So um well I mean as far as like I think mentally so it's right now well the the main research they have it's about like 67% effective for um and then for the then for the the the tha the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tha the the tha the tha the tha the tri-trips. tha tha, their tha the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their tha tre. tre. tre. tre. tre. tru. true. true. true. true. true. true. true. tri-tri-tri-tri-s. tri-s. tri-s. tri-s. tha tha tha te. t mentally. So it's right now, well, the main research they have, it's about like 67% effective for, and then for like ongoing treatment, it gets a little bit higher. So it doesn't work every time. But as far as you were saying, it's funny because since 2017, the FDA was,

Starting point is 00:29:02 whenever I first started my book, it was in stage one clinical trials, and then by the time I finished it was past stage four, and they deemed it a breakthrough therapy, but actually just on June 4th, and I just saw this the other day, there's like a panel trying to come down on it, and they're starting to like question it again, and I think a lot of that that has has has that has that has that has that has that has that has that has that has that has that has that has that has that has that has that has that has that has the the the the the the the the the the theateateateate the the, again and I think a lot of that has to do with what these war veterans are remembering you know like they

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Starting point is 00:31:30 It's so interesting that that that psychedelics could open that up to a Conversation to look right in the face of what they're dealing with because you really have to do it you Again, you're only as sick as your secrets and and people start to really you know when you are afraid to admit the wrongs in your life, it wears down on you really hard. And I think maybe psychedelics allows you to forgive yourself. Yeah, well, that's what I often tell people about like mushrooms is like, you go through this phase of like detoxing when it's kind of creeping in and you're like sweating and you have like tears coming and you like Look at yourself in the mirror and you're like you like you're like disgusting and like life That's that's that's women on acid. That's why I say whenever you do acid with women do not let them go into the bathroom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you're going there an hour later. They're the the their their they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're the the the the the they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. te. the. their. their. their. their. te. Because you're going there an hour later, they're just staring at themselves in the mirror. I'm like, okay, time to go.

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Starting point is 00:32:59 that again goes through this kind of thing where you gotta kind of go through it to get to it. And I think maybe Mushrooms allows you to, and MDMA does it in a warm, fuzzy kind of way to go, okay, here's my trauma, I'm gonna look at it full on straight, and just be honest with you because, you know, again, I had another buddy of mine who drank himself to death and I'm pretty sure it's because he couldn't come to grip was grips with his Sexuality and he was like really like it was just bothering him You know because you know he's always chasing chicks and then he would get blackout drunk and they they would find him in like a hotel room with a trans And I was like, oh, dude, you just got to do you like? Like, that's a big reason why I don't get into the demon? to? to? to? to? to? to? to? the to? the the the the to? the to? the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tr. their. their? their? their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. t. tri. tri. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. tr. t. t. tri. t. tri. ttri. t. t. t. a big reason why I don't get into the demonization of gay people. Queer theory is something totally different. You know, it's like Judaism, Zionism, they're weaponized movements. And that's why it's like people got to be themselves or else they're gonna, they're just

Starting point is 00:34:00 constantly going to be running from their truth. And now I'm not like, that doesn't, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you have, you have, th, th, th, th, thi, thi, thi, th, thi, thi, tho, tho, tho, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, have, have, have, have, have, have, have, have, have, have, have, have, that, that, that, that, that, that, the the the the the the the running from their truth. And now I'm not like, that doesn't mean I want, you know, have it taught in schools or anything like that. Obviously I'm against that because I think we got allowed kids to grow up and explore on their own terms. So, but, you know, I did. I'm 99% sure a buddy of mine couldn't come to grips with his sexuality. And's why he drank himself to death and he's no longer with us and this is a You know it makes me sad. I tell I tell like so I have like a couple guy friends who went to like all boys boarding schools in like new England you know and they like have these like like literally like their parents send them sent them away to a school one of them has like a twin sister which I they they they they they they they they they th they they th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. the the the th. their their their their their th. th. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. th. th. th. their th. th. th. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the the the literally like their parents send them sent them away to a school one of them has like a twin sister which I he went to an

Starting point is 00:34:48 all-girls school which I just thought was so crazy that like you know like they need like their mommy and so they end up with all these boys who end up being their family and like they never want to admit what happened there and so like you have to like you have to like to like to like to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their. their. the their. their. their. their. their. their. to their. their. th. th. th. their their th. they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're their they're their. their. their. they their. I I I I I I I I I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I to to to th. th. th. th. th. try. try. try. try. tell. tell. tell. try. tell. tell. try. tell. they they they they they they they they they they admit what happened there. And so like you have to like, you know, experiment and like one of them, like he would just never ever like be gay. He's so against gay. And like it's like, bro, have you like tried it? Because like you gotta like try it out before you like dish it, you know what I mean? Like, at least like, if you're overly hate something thi. There's usually something there. You that, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, that, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. th. Like, th. Like, th. th. Like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like you are, if you're so anti that there's usually something there, unfortunately.

Starting point is 00:35:28 You know, and it's just sad because there's just some people who can't come, so it's like that fine line between the two, but it's the trauma of like what happened to yourself. Like when we take a look at like, you know, I'm much older than everybody here on the show, but you know, it's like I grew up when you had like, the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like older than everybody here on the show, but, you know, it's like I grew up when you had like this, there was like this one day, I think it was either Saturday night or Wednesday night on NBC, MUT-TV, it was called, and it was like different strokes and all these amazing like all-time classic like sitcoms and like so many of the kids that were on those shows just ended up destroying their lives through drugs and alcohol because we didn't really understand what was going on until later on we realized that they would just been put through the meat market and just annihilated.

Starting point is 00:36:19 And they just and the way they dealt with it was through you know recreational drugs instead of therapy and they just all the most of them ruin their lives and a lot of them died they're no longer with us because they could not take the trauma that they were doing that there was no process to deal with that and I do really do believe it's like you have to take a look at your trauma you have to tak the the the the tak the the the the to the to to the the the to to the their their to their to their their their try. tha. tha. tha. tha. to tha. to try. tha. their. thr-I thr-I. thr-I. thr-I I thr-I. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their their their their their. their ttttttttttry. ttry. try. try. ttry. And try. ttry. tttry. try. And ttry. ttry. try. try. the. And the. And thto go this, this, this, and this happened and what is my role in that. And sometimes you have to come to grips with that, just people you trust did bad things to you and you have to either learn that's not your fault and let it go or forgive them. And that's a really hard thing to forgive people who did bad things to you. And like, my father never did anything bad to me, nothing even in the realm of what I'm talking about right now. But my father had a very traumatizing childhood,

Starting point is 00:37:11 and he grew up to be a traumatized person. And I remember one day I was asking why he did all this, and he just started explaining to me, and it's like that's how he's raised, and this is raised. And thi thi thi thi he he he he he he just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just just he he he he he he he he he he he he he he to he. He to to to to to to to to to to to to to told. told he was told. told. told he was told he was told he was told. told. told. told he was told. told. told. told. told. He was told. He was told he was told he was told he was told he was told he was told he was told. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He. He's told. He's th. He's told. He's told. He's told. told. to to to to to to th. to to th. thr. to told. to told. to told. told. th. He's this is what happened to him. And then I just learned that my father was a human being. And he has his bullshit that he had to deal with as a child. And I had to learn to forgive him. Yeah, that's funny you say that because I actually shroomed with my mom on my 25th birthday. We were in San Francisco. And like, and it was like, and it was like the most like eye-opening experience ever like you know my mom and I were kind of it was just like the two of us growing up we were more like sisters like I was always but it was always like you know

Starting point is 00:37:55 like you should be doing this because you're my mom you know like it was just like you don't hear their trauma or their stories you hear it like okay you're my mom so it was like the first time we're like like like like like like like like like like like th like th like th like th like the like th like the th like the th like the the the th. the th. the th. the the the the the the the the. the the. the. the. the. the. the. their their. the the. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. I the. the. I the. the. their trauma or their stories, you hear it like, okay, you're my mom. So it was like the first time we're like sitting on the rug like talking and I like hear her, like say something and I was like, heard it like an individual, like as if like one of my friends had told me something they went through and I was like, damn, that's really sad. And it was like the first time that I was like, oh, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, like, their, like, their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I was like, oh like you were a person like before me, you know, like you were here before me, like I just never really looked at my mom as like a person before that was like fucked up to say, but that was like, it was like that moment, it was like shrooming and we actually happened to be, my mom was 25 when she had me, so it was a crazy full circle experience.

Starting point is 00:38:43 But it's almost David Telltells old joke which is like you remember when you were a kid you thought your parents were superheroes and then you just realize they were drunks and capes wearing capes, right? Like they're just human beings and they're going through the exact. Because you know I've been trying to talk about us on stage about like when I was a kid I thought the the adults in my life had th and th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. And th. And th. And th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I thi. I thi. I th. I they're they're they're they're their they're their their th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm te. I'm te. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm th, I thought the adults in my life had everything figured out. And then I realized they had no clue what the fuck was going on and they were just white knuckling it like everybody else. Yeah, right. Just have to forgive them. Was there a moment? Was it like a day? Do you remember the day? Because mine was just gradually. I just figured out, all my manager's just a senior. They're just older people.

Starting point is 00:39:26 Did you, was there a day where you're like, oh, yeah? Today's the day. Yes. You know, I'm gonna be honest with you, it's been going through like just the trauma of my life. Now, you know, my grandfather was the patriarch of my mother's side. And then later on, we found out tho tho tho tho tho is tho is tho is tho is tho is tho is tho tho is tho tho tho is tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thi, thi, thiol-a' thiol-I thiol-I thiol-a'er thiol-a'er thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, toooooooooooan, toda. today, today, today, today, today, today, today, tod. And then later on, we found out things about him that wasn't perfect. And I've always said this, that there's a fine line between cop and criminal. And not that my grandpa was a criminal in any way, but he was a grown-ass man and

Starting point is 00:39:54 had and did grown-ass man shit. And when you look at your grandpa as like kind of this patriarch god, and then you realize he's just a normal ass dude and that him my father myself all have have the same exact kind of like weird story you kind of learn their human beings and you have to just learn to forgive them and it gets really hard you know outside of physical abuse you have to understand and you know again my, my dad never spank me. One time he chucked me across the room because I beat the shit out of my brother and that was the only time he ever got physical with me. He's like, you mother, Bo. I just threw me. I'm like, oh man,

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Starting point is 00:42:45 work your way into whatever you truly believe and it's that moment of accepting that you are different from the people who raised you. There will come a moment in which my daughters will rage against machine. They'll rage against their parents and Zig and Zach and you know it's just the way it is because what what they will do in which every person the show is done and everybody listening to this show is done is we want to stake our independence we want to be our own person and we want we don't want to be told by our parents how to do this this and that and you know that day will come with an I'm bracing for impact where I'm gonna to just th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're thi. thi. to to to the to to to theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're our parents how to do this, this and that. And you know, that day will come with me and I will be, I'm bracing for impact where I'm

Starting point is 00:43:26 going to just go, don't take it personal. They're just on their little, they're on their journey and I have to respect that. And they're going to find and hopefully, you know, it's people going to be like, I don't get along my mother. I understand that there's anomalies. And again, you know, your mother has trauma or whoever. I'm not talking about anyone's specifics mom right now, but there's moms out there with trauma and they did the best they can. Right, they did the best they can. You know, whenever, sorry, whenever that day comes one thing my friend she has a son who's like 18 he's like on to college and he was going through that like time period and he like always

Starting point is 00:44:09 wanted to talk to me like and I remember whenever I was younger like my mom's friends I thought were like so cool and I wanted to like be around them but I was like fuck you mom and so I was like kind of realized it's like you, like your friends are the people who can like impact them the most in those days whenever they're like, fuck you dad. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's just a natural rebellion against you just want to be your own person. You don't at that moment your life, you don't realize how protected you are. Your parents have protected you from the world and you kind to do my own thing. It's just natural progression, just the way the way the way the way the way the way the the thu thu th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi th. thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. tho tho tho they're tho thi. they're thi. thi. thi. thi. they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's they's like, they're they're they're th. their thi. their thi. thi. that. that. thoooooooooooooooooooooooo. the. the. the. the. they're like, they're they're the from the world and you kind of want to be like, I want to do my own thing. And it's just natural progression, just the way it is. And you know, that's just it. But, you know, like, your love of your mother is like instinctual. Like, and you love your dad. Like, most people love their dad, but they don't appreciate their father till they get much older. And they go off on their own world,

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Starting point is 00:46:26 They've actually done studies on that. The more choices you have, the more, the more miserable you become. I mean, this sounds dumb, but like, just think about in and out. You go to internet out, so easy. You're happy. But then you go to like, jack in the thousand options you're kind of miserable there because you're like all too many options for me. And you end up getting multiple options and then like you're like doing like shit after get all the sides.

Starting point is 00:46:50 Yeah I feel you on that. Well and like them like what they went through like that's how and like having to work and follow the rules and all that that's where you get into other types of trauma out there like you know alcoholism and like abuse and all that because I mean who can who can be who can go against them because I mean they were out here like inside themselves building up like all this like anxiety and like resentment and never able to say it and and and we live in a time right now where men are allowed to be more emotional than they've ever been. That was not a luxury to two generations before us, especially met. You know, and with that has come an ability to again look at their trauma like this, you know, mentally explore the mechanisms that will help them heal. This is brand new, you know, it's like again,

Starting point is 00:47:44 I go to a recovery meeting all the fucking time. And my dad and then my grandpa never had those things. On both sides my family. And it's very interesting because as you start to explore, whenever somebody really starts to relapse in recovery is when they really start to feel shit and Especially when you've been numbing yourself out forever You start to feel some shit That's when it gets really weird and people want to check the fuck out and numb themselves out. I know the answer is no, but you're never too old for Recovery right Sam. Why don't you tell your dad maybe he check it out? You don't think it helped out? I would love for my father to go therapy. I I I. I. I. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. thi. thi. you. you. you. thi. thi. you. you. you. you. you. you. you. you. you. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the they. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I the the they. I they. I they. I they. I th. I th. I th. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. I try. try. try. try. the try you tell your your dad maybe he check it out but you don't think it helped I would love for my father to go therapy I think it would be great for him to be able to tell somebody I mean like I was telling Johnny on our other show when I talked to my father on the phone the first five minutes is like who's fucking him okay and then the next five minutes is who's he gonna sue now now now th th you th I th I th I th I th I th I th I th I thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus thus. thus. thus. thus. thus. thus. thus. thus. thus. thus. thus. thus. thus. the thus. to be the to be to be to be to be the to be the the to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be thus. thus. thus. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the. father. Because he never ever got to let go with a lot of these things.

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Starting point is 00:49:27 addiction, other types of opiate addiction mushrooms can be really good for that also for like ongoing depression you know like micro-dosing that's what like a ton of people will say to me whenever they see like the topic of psychedelic therapy they're like oh micro-dosing and I'm like no like and I and I just don't understand why some people, though, are micro-dosing when they don't really need it. That's like one thing right now that, you know,

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Starting point is 00:52:46 ever come to a conclusive thought like you like have these profound thoughts and then you're like oh my gosh but this oh my gosh with it and you go through this whole thing and then you like forget what your whole point was and you don't really come out of it with like a whole lot of growth but I mean I'm sure in like a talking session, like, you know, you could if somebody, if I was on ketamine and somebody was taking notes for me, they would be great. Because I've had so many profound thoughts, like, I'm like, that would be awesome. If they would just take the notes for me and then I can remember all the shit I came to, but just like inside your own head, think that's why they call it a K-hole because you just well you know it's like different strokes for different folks and some things work for some people and some things don't work for other people

Starting point is 00:53:30 that's just life right there I mean I get again there's a lot of people talking about we've had ketamine uh sponsors on the show I I stopped doing it no crat Cradum, that's Cradum. Oh, you're thinking of Cradum. Okay, my apologies then. So, yeah, but I don't know, man. I think, I think there's a lot going on. I have, you know, I again talk about this time in my life where I was on Mushrooms. The show has just started. And, you know, off the grid Ryan was my co-host and, you know, fans of Joey Diaz were sending me

Starting point is 00:54:06 chocolate psychedelic bars and, you know, I ate them and I had this moment in my head where I heard a voice tell me everything's okay or where exactly you need to be and I never worried about my life in that sense again, like where my career was and all that stuff. So I get that, but I think again if you keep checking out all the time th th th ti th ti ti th th th time thi thi and you thi thi and you thi and thi and thi. thi. the thi. And the thi, the thi, thi, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their, their their their, their their, their their, their, they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. their, their, their, their, their, thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. togu. togu. togu. togu. togu. togu. togu. toge. togu. the. thi. thi. the was and all that stuff. So I get that, but I think again, if you keep checking out all the time, and you don't actually have this kind of like, I'm going to take a look of what I'm going on, what I'm doing, what's going on, why keep reacting this way, what is my role? That's a big part of recovery. What is my role in this? you start to lose it. And again, you're just always going to have people abuse shit. It's just the nature of humans. And I don't know if you can create something off the rule that somebody might abuse this. Like in LA right now they want to pass a law that you can't go right on red.

Starting point is 00:54:59 Excuse me, you can't go right at a red stop sign, right? Because tweakers are just walking the middle street and getting hit by cars. Well, I mean, like people are going to do that. You can't just ruin the way we operate because people walk in the middle of the street on drugs. You just can't change that. You can't make everybody else pay. So it's an interesting journey in that sense, dude. And I think everything should be done professionally. I think there is a cottage industry of people pushing drugs on people and they're like, I'm a shaman of this and they're not really, they're just getting you high at that point and you don't even know what you get a, Iowaska seems a lot like that. There's a lot of Iowaska people that are just like coming tweaking my, you know, do Iawaska my garage and just talk to the, you know, the metal out or whatever the, whatever you see in there. And I think you start to

Starting point is 00:55:50 dance a very dangerous dance. Yeah, I like, and I'll come back to that a little bit more, but I think with like the Iawaska, like, theyosca, like, their trips and people who are th. are th. are th. th. th. th. th. th. th. their th. th. th. th. th. th. I are th. I are their, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I. I. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I's like a real darkness that, whether it was from the start that becomes associated with it, like, you know, people who are like, I mean, if you're making money, I don't know if you have heard about, like whenever the lady who like first discovered or released, like, I think it was like silaibin or something from this tribe down in like South America It was like their secret and the woman who like You know introduced it to people outside of there it like is the reason why we all know about it today and she was completely Ostricized and like removed from the tribe like she it was like her biggest regret ever because it was this secret that wasn't supposed to get out and it became like a mechanism of releasing, you

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Starting point is 00:59:10 Well, what will always happen is you will have a movement that is pure of heart and then someone will figure out a way to make money off it, and then it changes everything. Yeah. Well, you said something about like different strokes for different folks. And that kind of like, for me, it, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I think have like easier time so to speak like accessing these different realms and, you know, and even just if you look at the different ways that people dream there is like different chemistry and physiologically in our brain the way that people sleep and dream like for example like I used to be a sleepwalker and like I whenever I was little and I have two older brothers and one of my brothers would sleep walk and one of them didn't and then my dad would sleep walk and and like the that the the today the the their the the their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their is their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the their the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their my brothers would sleep walk and one of them didn't, and then my dad would sleep walk.

Starting point is 01:00:09 And so my brother who would sleepwalk and my dad both also got motion sickness, which I do as well. So, like, it to me, it was kind of like, there was like this certain difference between my two brothers and who, like, they're sleeping pattern. And like, and it's for whatever reason, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their th thie thie thie thie thie thie thie thie thie thie thie thie thie thie thie thi thi thi thi that. And that. And that. And my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their thathe. And then that. And that. And that. And that. And that. And that. And that. And that. And that. And thate. And thate. And the. And certain difference between my two brothers and who like their sleeping pattern and like and it's for whatever reason seemed to tie into like the inner ear and I and I can't find anything online to to like prove that but there was something like there were certain you know like getting like car sickness and stuff like me and my brother and my other brother. That's fascinating I slept while as a kid also got badly car sick still do. Whoa, interesting.

Starting point is 01:00:50 My mom got my mom into adulthood, she would get in the car. She just drove off one time. Thankfully we live on such a long, like the road to the actual highway so long that she didn't do any damage, but. John would sleep walk so much that he would he started a taco stand in in in North Carolina and it started his own business it stopped before college thankfully but they were worried like when I was going off the college that I couldn't be like you know like a beyond the first floor of the dorm that I might just go off the ledge is that myth that you're

Starting point is 01:01:21 not supposed to wake someone up mid sleepsleep? Is that real or is just... No, I've been woken up sleepwalking before. I actually, so I slept walk as a kid and then I quit sleepwalking and then I quit sleepwalking and then I quit sleepwalking and when I went to college and I started drinking like unholy amounts of alcohol. I started sleepwalking again, and I started sleepwalk and do something. And one time I, so I, so I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I thi, I thi, I actually I actually I actually, I actually, I actually, I actually, I actually, I actually, I actually, I actually, I actually, I actually thi, I actually thi, I actually thi, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I th and I think, I think, I think, I think, I th and I th, I th, I th, I th, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, throooo, that, throoooooooo, drink really heavy I was like I was terrified I was going to go sleep walk and do something and one time I actually slept walk into my neighbor's dorm room and I wake up and I wake up and she's like Ryan and I'm like getting into bed with her and I like remember her waking me up and I was like in a days I was kind of just like you know like being walked back to my room but it was like, in a daze, I was kind of just like, you know, like being walked back to my room. But it was like super embarrassing.

Starting point is 01:02:07 That's hot privilege right there. Right? That's hot privilege. You're a hot chick. Oh, you want to get in bed? Okay, go for it. If that was Ryan with one end, we would have a real problem here. Yeah, yeah, thatwalking, whatever. Yeah, my mom, though, man, if you tried to wake her, her asleep brain could like reason

Starting point is 01:02:28 with you, because she would often dream of like, while sleepwalking that like a baby is missing or something like that, and she would come tap on my door at night while I was asleep as a kid, and be like, Johnny, let me in. I'm not asleep, I'm not asleep. They've just taken taken taken taken taken taken taken taken taken taken taken taken taken taken taken taken taken tap tap tap tap, tap, tap, thap, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thoomoomo, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, th. th. th. th. th. th. So, th. She, th. She, th. She, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. She, th. She, th. She, th. She, th. She, tho, tho, thooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo asleep they've just taken the baby we've got to we've got to find the baby let me in and and oh my god it would scare me shit out of me man no was there a no no that was no baby no so so you know he's talking about a baby then that you knew she was sleepwalking well yeah any I mean it would be any nonsense like some terrible thing is happening She would often because my dad likes to sleep with the radio on that would trigger it that she would think there's like a bomb or something in the radio like counting down the numbers are like I mean just any kind of shit man. It's so crazy dude. I always think about how creepy that has to be like to see somebody sleep walking. I'm like I'm just like I'm just like, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the th. th. the the th. th. the the th. the th. the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the. the. the the the the the. the like like like like like like like the like the like like the like the like the like th. thwalking I'm like I already I'm just like I'm that creepy bitch I'm just like come to terms with it like as far as sleeping like weirding people out while you're still do it or did you grow out I grew out of it I grew out of it I grew I grew out of it I grew I grew up I grew up I thrown I thrown I thrown I thrown I've the last it was like it was like like like like like like it was like it was like it was like it was like it was like it was like it was like it was like it was like it was like it was like it was like to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the last it was like the last it was like to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the try. the the the the the try. the the the try. the try the by drinking, I think. At least that's what I'd like gathered.

Starting point is 01:03:45 But I've also like, I've always had very vivid dreams and that's kind of what, you know, in my book, every other chapter is a dream. So I kind of had to learn how to write a dream. So like if you're telling somebody about your dream, you're like, like one time I had this dream and it was like two of my friends like who are married and they were, it was them, but they were like Hillary Clinton and Elton John and they were married with like a manner full of like my friends that were like trying to get me. And like, and so if you're telling somebody that dream you explain the uncanny, you're like it was them but it was really them. And so like whenever you're th th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, like, th, like, th, like, like, th, th, like, like, like, th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, it th, it th, it was th, it was th. th. the, it was like, it was like, it was like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, like, like, like, like, like, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was like, it was, it was like, it was like, it was like, it was like,them and so like whenever you're writing a dream You're putting yourself into the the body of like, you know whenever you're in a dream

Starting point is 01:04:29 And it's like you see uncanny things, but you're not paying attention to it You know like some some weird shit's happening, but you just keep on moving on you know, so it was kind of difficult to write because I did do a lot of research on it because it's kind of like writing like a like a kid so like or like a like an idiot or something like whenever you're dreaming it's your basically like your prefrontal cortex is not activated and that's where your rational thought is so your dreaming goes on like in other parts of your brain, your creative parts, but the rational thought is not there. So whenever weird shit happens, you just like breeze past it, don't think about it again. But like as far as lucid dreaming, I think that it has to do with engaging that

Starting point is 01:05:19 prefrontal cortex so that you, you know, like there are certain things if you dream a lot that like what for me trigger a reminder, thuuiiiiiiii, that I, that I, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is that is, is that that that is that is that is that, is that, is that, is th, is th, is th, th, th, that, th, th, that, that, that, that, the rational, the rational, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, the the the the the the the that, that, the the that, the rational, that, that, that, that, that, th, like there are certain things if you dream a lot that like, for me, trigger a reminder that I'm dreaming and it's oftentimes like whenever I'm running or whenever I'm trying to fight back or like, you know, physical because like that part of your brain is not activated in a dream. So, like my mom was reading my book and the parts that are dreams, she goes, I want to know why her feet are so heavy. And my mom didn't remember her dreams a lot. And I go, because you can't run in a dream. And she was like, what? And like, she started remembering her dreams after that. And so there are like these certain things that like trigger you to remember in your dream, you know, everybody's always trying to lucid dream and all that and I think it has to do with that rational

Starting point is 01:06:07 thought or at least for me it has to do with like physical activity. That kind of reminds me that I'm dreaming like I remember this feeling and I think like certain people I guess are more prone to obviously lucid dreaming and and like having like reoccurring dreams and stuff like that. So that's where I kind of, the topic that I've been really interested in lately is like people who travel across dreams. And I call them Dreamwalkers and I think certain people who are more burst in dreaming or, and I don't know if it's and I do think that

Starting point is 01:06:46 there are people who practice this kind of stuff like whether nefariously or not but I think some people are naturally born with more of an aptitude to to entering other people's dreams or lucid dreaming. Hold on you you think people could enter other people's dreams? Yes. I think that I've entered other people's dreams several times. It actually happened one time whenever I really started thinking this. It happened five nights in a row and I, you know, they say that you can't dream about somebody you've never seen before, and I have dreams of people I've never seen before all the time. And I know that like, there are people I've never seen before because like, whenever I meet someone,

Starting point is 01:07:33 I immediately draw like who they look like that I know, like, typically two people, and like, but it's not them. So it's like, I've had dreams of people that look like people I know like pretty similar but it's not them and I know it's somebody I've never seen before because I would remember that face. And like and I think a lot of the studies done on dreams like they say that you can only dream five minutes and stuff like that I think a lot of those studies are not completely accurate like because I've had dreams where I was like asleep and I I this have th it it it it it it it it th it th it th it th it th it th it's th th th th th th th th th th they have th they have th th th they have th th th th th th th, I know it's have th, I know it's th. I know it's th. I know it's th. I know it's th. I know it's th. I know it's th. I know it's th. I th. I th. I th. I they're they're they're they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they's they they they they they they they they they they they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're thi thi thi that thi that thi thi thi thi thi they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're theythink a lot of those studies are not completely accurate, like, because I've had dreams where I was like asleep and I, it's happened like a couple months ago and I was like in this like loop dream and it was like this really weird dream and I kept waking

Starting point is 01:08:16 up and the sun was like in different points in the sky and like I remember seeing out my window the sun like moving, it was like hours that I was having this dream. And so like a lot of the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th the th th th th th th th th of th of th of th of thi thi thi thi thu thu thunene. th. I was like, I was like, I was like, thui th. I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I was like, th. I'm thin, thin, thin, th. th. th. th. th. th. thin, th. th. thin, th. th. th. thea. S. S. S. S. I was like, sun like moving it was like hours that I was having this dream. And so like a lot of the studies on dreams I think are I make a joke and I'm like they're made by people who don't dream. But like how are you supposed to know if you don't like we all have different types of dreams. There's a couple tips for a lucid dreaming I don't know if you've heard of them there's like the one where every time you walk through a door you like knock on the door and you say am I dreaming and then where you'll finally do it in your dream and you'll notice that you're doing in your dream because it'll be different you're not you'll notice that this isn't make sense you'll be like oh shit I'm dreaming and it's these things to like let you in

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Starting point is 01:09:50 brain is different in how they dream. And so like and I do think that there are certain people who like travel across dreams and whether they know it or not. And just like in the past year I've met like three or four different people who, because like all save my theory, you know, and I meet people who have dreams and people they've never seen before and like believe that they enter dreams. And one time I was about to talk to this dude.

Starting point is 01:10:17 And my mom's real weird about like wookery. And my mom's real weird about like wookery, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. like, that. And like, and I was like talking. She's weird about what? Wookery. What's wookery? Like weird, like supernatural or like, you know, not religious. You know, like, it's not. Okay. If it's not about God, you know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:10:36 The call like, yeah. And just like, you know, supernatural. I consider religion I consider spirituality supernatural Like you guys had an episode that the manifesting monsters And I use the term crypted because that guy used the term crypted for all supernatural things So like I use the term and people are always like what like big foot and I'm like well, that's part of it, you know, and and And but my mom doesn't really like talking about that kind of stuff. She gets kind of st thir???????????? th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi you you you you you. you. you. you. you. you. you. you, you. you, you you. you. you. you. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the term and people are always like what like bigfoot and I'm like well that's part of it, you know. And but my mom doesn't really like talking about that kind of stuff. She gets kind of weirded out. And she like I kept talking about dreams. It's like seeing people and this guy that this like dude that I had been like talking to about that a lot and he like said that he traveled into people's dreams. And then my mom like told me one day she was like, I had a dream of this dude I'd never seen before. It was like first time she ever had that happen.

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Starting point is 01:12:34 I've done that before. Yeah, it's ever done. That's like lucid dreaming. Is that what lucid dream it is? I would say I mean that's a way of, I mean that's a way of experiencing a lucid dream. I would think I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. I. I. I that. I that. I th. It it. It. It. It is. It is. It's. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like lucid. It's like lucid. It's like lucid. It's like lucid. It's like lucid. It's like lucid. It's like lucid. It's like lucid. It's like lucid. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like lucid. It's like lucid. It's like lucid. It's like lucid. It's like lucid. It's like lucid. It's like lucid. It's like lucid. It's like lucid. It's like lucid. It's like lucid. It's what lucid dream it is? I would say, I mean that's a way of, I mean, that's a way of experiencing a lucid dream. I would think crazy shit. What do you think dreams are? Some people think dreaming is astroprojection. What do you think about that? Well, so like we were talking about different planes of like existence before, like, I don't' that dreaming is kind of entering that infinite realm

Starting point is 01:13:05 of other dimensions, so to speak. Like, I don't think it's in our head. You know, I think that a lot of times it might be creative, but to an extent, I think that everybody's dream is like another dimension in that dream. Not like every night they enter the same dimension. It's like, what is reality but like each person's individual experience and if there is more than one dimension then there's infinite dimensions there's not just like 11 or something like that you

Starting point is 01:13:33 know like they've discovered you know a certain amount of dimensions but the fact of there being multiple dimensions would mean endless dimensions. Well you know where I'm watching that black matter. That shows about that. Like, everything's coming, dark matter. Everything's coming out, everything is coming out with this dimensional stuff, you know, everywhere, all at once. Everything, everywhere all at once.

Starting point is 01:14:03 That movie is such a great movie, multiple dimensions and stuff like that and accessing multiple dimensions. I have a lot of jokes about that in my act. I think it's interesting, dude. I think yeah. Well, answer the title. Well, do you think it's predictive programming? You're watching the, you're watching the show.

Starting point is 01:14:24 Do you think a lot of this whole interdimensional stuff, they're already preparing us for it? Like, look, we kind of already told you guys about it. I think people are finding it out personally, and so they're trying to control it. You know, like, they're like, people are starting to, you know, figure out like, it's just like aliens, like they figured out or people were figuring out about aliens. So now they're like telling us about aliens and they like, you know, the biggest kept secret for like fucking decades for centuries. And now all of a sudden they're just going to tell us all of it. And that just it doesn't make sense. But it's like they're going to beat us to the us figuring it out ourselves, you know? So crazy. It's just so crazy. Yeah, so like as far as like, you know, like the different like dream realms, like I don't know if you guys have had reoccurring dreams ever, but, but I used to as a kid, we've talked about on a show before, but like I used to be just running through a garage and just open the door and the door the the the the the th, and th, and the th, and th, and the door th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and th, and the th, and th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thus, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th, th. th. th, th. th, th, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, thi, thi, thi, thi, that's thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi. And, thi, thi, talked about on the show before but like I used to be just running

Starting point is 01:15:26 through a garage and just open the door and then it's the same garage and I run again and there's numbers floating all over the place. I've had that bunch of times when I was a kid. Yeah, well I had one dream like as far as like entering other people's dreams like I told I had five nights in a row where I was seen people I had never seen before and it was probably because I was like consciously like thinking about it and and it was interesting I also had like stopped drinking which was what was wild because normally drinking or alcohol like makes you like dream more but that was like something I noticed that was like similar across those days. Let me ask you something real quick. Do you believe that you only dream about people you know?

Starting point is 01:16:09 No, I think that like so I, this dream that I had, I had like five nights in a row where I was seeing people I had never seen before and I, it was like they, so like the one of the nights it was like a whole family, it was like this like Mexican family and I was in their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. th. th. I was th. I was like, th. th. th. I was th. th. th. th. that you that you that you that you that you that you th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. that's that's that's like, that's like, that's like, that's thi. thi. that's thi. th. th. th. th. like the one of the nights, it was like four, it was like a whole family. It was like this like Mexican family. And I was in their yard and it was like snowy and there was like a cutout of their yard, like a hole in it into water and I was like bringing them through it into this lake, like in Oklahoma where I'm from, SkyTuke Lake to this rope swing. And it was like, like, the their their their their their their their their their their their their the night the night the night their the night the night the night the night their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thuke, thuke, the, the, the, the, th. th. th. th. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. I th. I th. I th. And, thi, thi, thi, their, the, the, the, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, thean, they, their and forth between one of their dreams and my dream like weirdly enough and then the night after that I was like it was this like Asian girl and I was like doing

Starting point is 01:16:53 her hair for prom and she like wanted it done like mine after and I was like no like I just did your hair and I felt like I like run her dream that was like the last night that it happened. How do you know if you're in somebody else's dreams? I don't well to me it felt like I was in their dream because it was like they were it was like their space and I was like kept pulling it to my space so to speak and um you're too young for my space. No, I had my face. You did. Yeah. I'm 31. Damn. Damn. Yeah, it's still that seems like too young for that. That was so long ago. I was, I was 31. Yeah, that was about right. Yeah, we started my face, bro. Johnny was like, Johnny.

Starting point is 01:17:44 Johnny was like, a little bit before that. I was messenger. I was a bro. Johnny was like Johnny was a messenger I think a little bit before that I was messenger. I was messenger I was on a i i i i had a well instant message yeah so crazy I was macking on a well instant message dude just slinging that day every day dial up dial up. Oh. Let's get in to some of what your thoughts are, alternative meetings on entering dream worlds. What are some of the alternative meetings? Okay, so I think I have seen people and I've entered other dimensions and I've seen like some dark shit. I've like, so I'm and I'm very, I follow Jesus Christ, you know, I've come back to that because. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Yeah. And I've, and I've like, I believe, I've, I've seen, I've seen, I've seen, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I, I, I, the, the, the, the, the, the, the alternative, the, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the alternative, the, the, the, the, the, the alternative, very, I follow Jesus Christ, you know, I've come back to that. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:18:26 And I, and I've like, I believe I've seen Jesus, you know, with my own like eyes like closed. And a lot of that like spiritual awakening for me came from, I mean, first it was like drugs, and then I started seeing some like to organize evil. Like I was like, you know, down in like Dallas in a big city where, um, I was seeing some, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to organize evil. Like I was like, you know, down in like Dallas in a big city where I was seeing some like really dark shit and people practicing psychedelics to basically enter, I believe, other realms. So DMT is, I mean, you guys know about DMT, and I remember whenever I first heard about it, like, years ago, I'd like, like, to try it in like high school. I, like, thi. I want. I, th, th, th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, to, to, like, like, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, like, to, like, like DMT, and I remember whenever I first heard about it like years ago, I like wanted to try it in like high school. I wanted to try it because I was told it was the dream drug. And it sounded really cool.

Starting point is 01:19:14 And then the first time I was around it, this guy, this really like, woooky guy, like, tripper guy, he was like, I'm like, I'm thi I'm thi I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going, I'm thi, I'm thi, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going to, I'm to, I'm to try, I'm to try, I'm to try, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I'm gonna get some. He was like, you're gonna blast off to another dimension, you're gonna like see entities, and I'm like, no, no, okay, I start like reeling it back in, like, hold on, I am not about to, and he's like tell me this how like all people like have like different similar experiences with DMT where they like have blasted off and seen like similar the same entities but there are like different places thities thities thities thities thities that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people that people thies thi thi thi thi. the thi. thi. thi. And the the the thi's thi. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their they. their their their they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. And I the the the the thi. And I thi. And I thi. And I thi. And I the. And I te. And I'm like, tean. tean. tean. And I tean. And I'm th. And I'm like, th. And I'm like, the theed off and seen like similar the same entities but there are like different places that people have gone and he's like you're gonna blast off and there's gonna be two people calling you go to them and I'm like no and he's like you're he's like you're gonna be falling through space into a crowd of people and love and beings and and I'm like

Starting point is 01:20:05 hell no so I like I like hit it one time and I remember it like going around and then I and I call it the waiting room or I used to call it the waiting room now I call it the board room where you like hit it once and it's like locks in it's almost like really good like mushrooms or something and you're like in this plane everybody is like there and I used to call it the waiting room but like that is the space that I think people are manipulating with DMT so I knew someone down in Dallas and and I would never like blast off on DMT because I was every time it was around the people there seemed like they were like curating the whole experience like they were like dressing up the room and you know like, you like, you like, you like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the time like out of like a freaking bong like just like they have those they have those DMT pens now I'm like is this good no like drugs this available like this where you can just

Starting point is 01:21:11 hit a a robot dick just hit it and then you're out you're smoking DMT just and then you're blasting off to another freaking dimension like it seems like such a dumb idea. Yeah, so like this guy, he, um, he would smoke it out of a bong. Like, he would do it all the time, like, and I was at his house and I'm with like, these like, rappers, like, these like, black dudes who had never smoked DMT. And so we all- My God, you did DMT with black people. That must have been great. Well, no, so we all hit it like, like, like, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. Like, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, like, like, like, like, like, like, no, so we all hit it like once and then it like you like lock into the room, you know, and everybody and then like this guy who was like hosting the thing he like rips it. He's like, look at this, rips it out of the bonk and he's like this. And like falls back onto the like beanbag chair and like they're all like looking at me like the fuck and I'm like it's cool. He does this you know and th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And the th. And the the th. the the the the th. the the th. the the th. the the the the the the the the the th. the th. the the th. th. th. the th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. things. things. things. things. things. things. things. things. things. th. th. th. th.'s cool this he does this you know and then all the sudden the music changes and it's like coochie koochie and all these black

Starting point is 01:22:16 dudes are like oh fuck and I'm like yeah I have a koochie like literally it was like it was happening you know know, like he like. Hold on, you were yelling, Coochee? No, the music changed. Like, he, he like, and it was the space, so it was like this uncanny, like, wild shit. And so then I'm like, in Portland, and I've entered this dimension again. Oh, this is a different trip, and I the they. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. they. they. they. they. th. thi. they. their, their, their, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the music, the, the, the, they. they. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. t. to. to. to. to. to. the to. the th. the the th. the the th. the the, the a different trip or in your trip you go to Portland. No, and this is a different time and I entered the same dimension. Hold on, stop. I want to hear about

Starting point is 01:22:53 DMT with black people. Did they hit it? Did they hit the pen? They only hit it once? They only hit it once, bro, because they saw that guy rip it and fucking pass out. So the black guys did not, well they hit it once. You don't get there, right? If you have to go three times, right, to get there. Yeah, you have to hit it like two or three times and then you blast off, you know. And you couldn't convince them to do it? I wasn't convincing him. The guy who lived there was like the DMT, like, like, like, like, like, like, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, th, th, th, th, th, you, you th. You, you th. You th. You have, you have, you have th. You have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you have, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, to, you, you, to, you, you, you, to, you, you, you, to, you, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th. You know, to, to, th. You th. You th. You have, you th. You,rying to get people that smoke DMT at his house and like blast off and like go wherever He was intending them to go like it's something like crazy. Yeah, it's some like wookery like almost like witchcraft shit But because like I was in Portland a separate time and I ate these mushrooms and I'm at this bar with these like these guys they didn't know and we're like gonna go to show and their like, they're like, their like, their like, their like, to their like, to their like, to go. go. go. go. go. go. go. go. go. go. go. go. go. go. go. go. go. go. go. go, their like, their their their their their th. th. he where he where he where their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their tend. tend. tend. tend. tend. te where tend. their their their their their their their their their mushrooms and I'm at this bar with these like these guys I didn't know and we're like gonna go to show and they're like no I don't think we're gonna go

Starting point is 01:23:50 and I'm like wait no let's go and the music starts changing and it's like this gangster rap ironically and I was like I was like is that me and I was like start like pushing it and it's like getting louder and then like the little ringleader the dude... the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the the th. th. th. th. I. I. I. I. I's. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'm. And I'm. And I'm. And I'm. And I'm. And I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm. I'm's like getting louder. And then like the little ringleader, the dude, like sits up and he's like, you all should go smoke a cigarette. And the guy who gave me the mushrooms is like, yeah, come on, let's go smoke a cigarette. And it was like this whole thing, like, I like, but I recognized the space I was in, it was like the same dimension plane that I was in whenever I was like in Dallas another time and smoked it you know like you like zap into this like plane that's here but it's like slightly different. I've heard you know I've heard a at least once I can't remember maybe twice of people well one of the themes of these DMT trips especially among people who go more than once is that eventually they get to a point where they're to the point where they're they're they're they're they're the the the they're the they're their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their like their like like like like like like their like their like their like their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their. their. tell. their tell. their tell. their tell. their their their their their they. their their their the Well, one of the themes of these DMT trips, especially among people who go more than once,

Starting point is 01:24:47 is that eventually they get to a point where they're told, hey man, too much, don't come back here. Yeah, you're not meant to be here. Hold it on. What? So, like, the albs to say this I've also heard of people who've had Near death experiences Say that that's the same space where they end up and they and one guy in particular I can't remember Where I saw this he?

Starting point is 01:25:19 Encountered the same entity in his near-death experience as he does when he took DMT and when he took DMT he was like hey man you're not supposed to be back here same thing got told to him yeah at during his Indy and during the DMT trip which is fascinating yeah I think it's some liminal space that yeah so I think that there are like different entities and that's why I like wrote down earlier you talked about your friend with the meth the the the the the the the the the the th th th th th the th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I the the m. I the. I the. I the. I'm thi. I'm the. I'm took. I'm took. I'm took took took took took. took took. took. took th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the they. they. they. they. they. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. you talked about your your friend with the meth seeing like entities and I think that there are like different realms so to speak that people have entered on DMT and like because I heard a story about or I knew a guy and he like he didn't tell me the story but somebody else told me because he wouldn't

Starting point is 01:26:00 talk about it he like smoke DMT and he went to this like, like space where he saw this like Oz like face like, you know, like, and it was like, you don't know what you're doing something, you know, and he got like freaked out and like was like terrified of like and quit like doing drugs and stuff, but it like, he thought it was like more like demonic. But then there are people who see these like, you know, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, stuff, but it like, he thought it was like more like demonic. But then there are people who see these like, you know, like this, like it's weird because like Wizard of Oz, like all the different like realms that I've heard. They remind me of like either like Munchkin Land or like of like Oz or like the flying monkeys or, you know, so there's like movies and their cinema and stuff that has, you know chapped. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their. their. th. th. th. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's. It's. It's. It's. their. th. th. th.................................. th.. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their their their their people people. so there's like movies and there's cinema and stuff that has you know chapped or gotten ideas from I think a lot of these spaces. Oh yeah for sure. Oh yeah well the one guy another in multiple near

Starting point is 01:26:58 death experience people who've had near death experiences describe the beings that they encounter as this the almost identical to what is it's this movie from the 80 that they encounter as the almost identical to what is it's this movie from the 80s with those it's like a horror movie is it the commune or the do you know I'm talking about I can't remember 80s horror hold on yeah and like well with like the message please like I think like the like shadow people and stuff like that I think that these are all you know places you could go on DMT but like I said I th I the I the I the I the I the I the the the the the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. I have th. I have th. I have th. I have th. I have th. I have like like like like like like like like like like like like like the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I'm th. I'm th. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like, the the the the like the like shadow people and stuff like that. I think that these are all, you know, places you could go on DMT. But like I said, I have like, I've smoked DMT quite a few times, but I've only like blasted off once. Because every other time I quit hitting it after once because I realized and I saw these creatures like the person like hosting the event

Starting point is 01:27:43 creeping around setting up the stage like where they're gonna try take me You know and so like the one time I did blast off though I was in like a hallway full of doors and it was like a turquoise like tall like old like I could draw a picture of it and I've had one other friend who actually went to that house with like all the DMT Wielder and literally it was his 30th birthday he comes in. th and he th and he th. and he th. and he th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th, th, like th, like th, like th, liked th th th the th th th th like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like th, like thi thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, likethat house with like all the the DMT wielder and literally it was his 30th birthday he comes in he sits down and the guy grabs him and gives him the bong and he rips it with the DMT before and I'm like, you know like and at that point I'm like don't say anything like he's gonna freak out like he's about to be gone and like he like blasted off and he was in a hallway full of doors and he walked through a door and he saw his grandfather who had passed away.

Starting point is 01:28:31 And he was wearing his grandfather's hat. And like the guy was like, I think trying to manipulate where he went, but he went to the hallway full of doors where you can choose anywhere you go. And he was like, in his grandfather's hat and his grandfather who passed away was there. And he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he, and he was like, th. And he was like, like, like, like, like, th. And he was like, like, like, th, like, like, th, like, like, th. th. th, like, like, like, th, th. th. He was like, th. He was like, th. He was like, th. He was like, th. He was like, th. He was like, th. He was like, th. He was like, th. He was like, th. He was like, th. He was like, th. He was like, th. He was like, th. He was like, th. He was like, th. He's th. He's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi was like, he was like, like, he was like, he was like, like, he was like, he was like, he was like, he was like, he was like in his grandfather's hat and his grandfather who passed away was there. And he's like his dad's a doctor, he's not into all that and he's like told his whole family about it. It was like super spiritual. That's interesting because that goes back to a dark matter, right? A hallway full of doors.

Starting point is 01:29:04 Oh, is that in that show? Yeah, 100 percent. And it. And it. And it. And it. And it. And it. And it. And it. And it's. And it's. And it's. And it's. And it's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha. tha.a.a.a. the tha.a.a.a.a. tha. that's that's that's that's that's that's that's of doors. Oh, is that in that show? Oh, yeah, 100% and it's so crazy. That's crazy. Last night I was doing a deep conspiracy rewind on my premium content, which is available at Sam Tripoli.com. And they were talking about when Jeff, like the whole story, Jeff Bezos is like Paul Bunyan bullshit, right? And I'm here to tell you I got wrong. His dad did not, his grandpa didn't own mobile oil.

Starting point is 01:29:32 He worked in an energy business and he did help create DARPA, but that was his grandpa. But when he was a kid, he was, he was like super young, he was talking about an infinite, infinite cube. And it was basically the cube from dark matter, Johnny, where like you would walk in and it was a long, it was a hallway that just went forever with infinite possibilities. Like in super position, basically. Yeah, like just like the cube, the black cube on the show. Well, that's what I felt like after I saw that hallway full of doors like Instinctively I was like I knew I could go through any door and go anywhere and like and I didn't like go deeper into it because I mean, I'll be honest we didn't have like a lot. It was like a really like chill thing, but every other time I've like been around DMT. I've gotten a really bad feeling that I should not hit it again like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like like. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the h. the the the whole. the the the the whole. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the but every other time I've like been around DMT, I've gotten a really bad feeling that I should not hit it again around like the people that I was around. Like, I mean, I think,

Starting point is 01:30:31 and especially if you are like a vivid dreamer, like, I've always felt like because I have such vivid dreams that I can access to all of that in my sleep, you know, if I wanted to. So if I like, you know, what did the guy say the first time? He said, don't be overwhelmed by astonishment. And I was like, well, I might be, you know, like I might be a little too excited. Like, I'm gonna be like, like, I met this guy at an after-hour party one time. And he said, he tripped DMT for for for for for for for th for their for th for th for th for th for th for th one time and he said he tripped DMT for 60 years. He goes, he goes, I had a family, I miss my baby girl. And he was like trying to get back there.

Starting point is 01:31:13 And I was like, I don't think, you know, like you're gonna get back there. That's, that's dark matter right there too. Didn't Ari Shapir feel like he lived the whole life? Yeah, yeah. What was the drug? Yeah, that was Salvia. He was on Salvia. Yeah, he had a whole life in the pond or a little, like a little puddle or something.

Starting point is 01:31:34 And he's just like the backyard of his family home they grew up in. Yeah, it's super interesting. The film, I'm sorry, the film was communion, 1989 communion. The beings in that film apparently look like the beings that people encounter in near death experiences and while on DMT. One of my best friends out there, he would constantly be doing Iowaska trips. And he would just talk, I think he told me one time, he was like, you know, it's like, I tripped so hard and I saw like, what what what what what he, what he, what he, what he, what he, what he, what he, what he, what he, what he, what he, what he,think he told me one time he was like you know it's like I trip so hard and I saw like he what he thought was the antichrist and then he turned out

Starting point is 01:32:10 it was a Braxus the chicken snake god that he saw it and it really freaked him the fuck out because he didn't know what was until he heard us talking about and he's like oh wow I saw that guy on and so so my whole thing is psychedelically you have to really watch yourself because you don't know what you're letting in you know what I'm saying? It's really good you just said that about like the antichrist because that's kind of where I like wanted all this to end up is that like I have it like entered other dimensions like listening to gospel music. So like I think that that like the spiritual realms like seeing like entities like, you know, we talk about like fallen angels shit like that, you know, I think that there is like one god and there is like there are archetypes are like to me like there is like Jesus Christ who represents one like archetype of God, you know. And so like, like, like, the the the the. So, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, the, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, like, like, like, like, like,to me like there is like Jesus Christ who represents one like archetype of God you know and so like I've literally

Starting point is 01:33:10 been listening to gospel music and been like just tore apart like mad at myself about something like just like close my eyes and like entered the room like I swear it was maverick city music like they do like these circle worship revivals. And I was like closed my eyes like listening to it and the song kept going on and I was in the room like straight up and like literally the song like just kept going and going and it wasn't ending and then I like pull out to like Google how like Chandler Moore's birthday one of the singers and then it like just exited out all of it. And then I was like, you know, out of it.

Starting point is 01:33:47 But like I think that that is like, you know, people who like go like worship circles and even like, you know, people in like, the Centecostal churches and stuff all speaking in tongu. I think that those are similar spaces that people who pray and like, you know, like pray for hours and hours on the day, like, you know, look at like the prophets in the Bible, they were like doing the same thing, but they were doing it naturally, so to speak for what we know, but like through prayer and deep meditation.

Starting point is 01:34:18 That's what I wanted to ask you about next. Do you, have you had any experience with breath work? I know some people can get to that space through the breath work. I've heard about that and I haven't like because like I mean I, I haven't practiced too much like meditation. I try and practice more like prayer because like I think that, you know, like even meditative states. Like I've been in a sound bath and like and I just felt like it was really dark like I could literally like I could literally like like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I, I, th, I, I, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, th like, th like like it was really dark like after like I could literally like I like I like during it I was like I to the the sound she was dabbling with and so like as far as like meditation and going like breath work and doing like the completely clear mind. I do think that it also can open you up to some of those like those levels of darkness just as as as the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the doing like the completely clear mind. I do think that it also can open you up to some of those like those levels of darkness just as much as like doing some drug. That's fascinating. So do you think it matters who your state of mind? Do you think there's a way to approach that safely or do you think it's just impossible to do it with you're taking a risk no matter what? I mean I think yeah I think that if you are like th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi thi thi thi thi thi th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. the th. th. th. th. th. thee. theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee of th. th. th. what. I mean, I think, yeah, I think that if you are like sure of like your moral compass,

Starting point is 01:35:30 that you will, and if you are close to God in any way, like, if you believe what, like in truth and love and all, that, then like, and you believe you're protected, then do it. But like, but if you worry about your inner compass, then like, then you're gonna be at risk. That's nice. Wow, well, this has been a great episode. A lot of fun. Yeah, guys, although I love like the range of conversations.

Starting point is 01:36:00 Absolutely. I appreciate you all so much and you guys are so good at engaging with fans. Like I've talked to like most of you guys and even Eddie Bravo online and I really respect that because I know it's hard to like keep up with on social media talking to people and I came to your show and you, you know, let me reach out and the show. So, you're getting awesome. I had to make it up for you so you I didn't want you to get traumatized by black lepricons at my show I have to be in M.A. Therapy yeah yeah we got to that guy in MBA therapy you know fucking crazy people one more time tell them where they could find you well my name is Ryan B. Gordon that on Instagram is R.G the realest and you can find th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the the the thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the the thi. the thi. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. the. th. to the. to to to to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the. the. the. the. the on Instagram is R.G. The Realist.

Starting point is 01:36:47 And you can find links on my Instagram to everything. It's a pretty good time on there. You can find my book on there. It's called The Bridge Inside. It's a dreamscape about trauma and self-healing. It's a narrative fiction, so it's a little bit fun of a read compared to reading like purely a nonfiction, but it's all based on real facts and experiences. So hope you guys can, you know, help figure out a way to heal yourself just with a little bit

Starting point is 01:37:13 encouragement and some self, some deep dive into our brain. Well, it was a great episode. Thanks for coming on. Enjoy, let's let's do a quick breakdown. All right. What do you guys think? I loved it. I thought it was great. I thought it was a change of pace in terms of like, I just enjoyed it. It was like a fun conversation. Sometimes we just got to have conversations on the show. Well, you know, I really enjoy talking to people about those altered states and where people go. That's what I like they bring back. I enjoy them. I can't be serious all the time.

Starting point is 01:37:50 We've got to have some fun. I like, I like these change of paes shows where we just have a conversation. We don't do that enough. She makes me appreciate my dreams more. I should write them down. And then we should just have a segment in which you they they they they they th th th th th th th th th th th. th. th. thi thi, thi, thi, that, that, that, that, that, that, what that, what that, what that, what that, what they, what that, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they, what they, they, they, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. that, that, that, that, that, that, that, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, that. they're, they're, they're, they're, they're they're they're they're they're, up every day when my dream write them down and then we should just have a segment in which you tell us about your dreams. I don't know about that. There's some dreams. Do you think Xavier Guerrero and puppies have similar dreams with each other? What's the rundown? Just running through little fields, chasing white women, just the same thing.

Starting point is 01:38:20 There we go. There we go. I just love that she's doing so many psychedelics with black guys. I just love that. That was a fun guy. Well, yeah, it's yeah, it doesn't surprise me at all that. Yeah, I just like, I'm just, I'm like, as I was just listening. I was like, oh, my daughters. I just like, well, I just have to do a psychedelic trips with you, please. Just watch yourself. Please, for the love of God. You know?

Starting point is 01:38:46 Well, I really enjoyed the conversation. You know, everybody's relationship with their parents are different and I do think, you know, as long as it doesn't go to a certain point in terms of abuse, you kind of, like give your parents, you gotta kind of understand their people too. In a weird way Sam, she said she tripped up with her mom. Do you think a trip with your dad would be beneficial with anybody's parents that are like on a rocky thing or maybe... I think it's parent to parent. I don't know how my father would handle mushrooms. I don't even know the reference point in which you would begin.

Starting point is 01:39:26 Pardon me. My parents are Mexicans. I don't know how I would start. Hey mom you want to trip on mushrooms? Is shrumes big in Mexico? Is it big in the Mexican community? No, not at all, huh? What about the, what about the toads down there? What is it uh, you know the? You're still You still look like the toldo- the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to toxxxxxxxxxin. toe? the toe? I'm toe. I'm the the the toe. I'm toe? I'm their Mexican. I's toe? I their their their their their Mexican. I I I their Mexican. I I I their Mexican. I I their Mexican. I theyxxx. I the the the the toxxx. I tox. I to to tox. I to to to tox. I to to to to tox. I tox. I to toe. I tode. I'm toda. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't know. I don't. I don't. I don't. It's still look very even weeds not that, not that cool. Still like you're still druggy. Coronas all day? Corona's all day. Very interesting. I do. I really do want to get the black community in the mushrooms.

Starting point is 01:39:55 That's all I want them to do is trip balls on shrooms. I think it's just a game changer in your life. And again, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's thi, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, thrown, it's just, it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, the the the the the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. their, their. their, their. th. th. th. th. th. th. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. thrown. throwne. th. thrown. tho. tho. the. tho. tho. tho. throwne. tho. tho. th, but you can't always visit there. That's my opinion. Again, you got these guys smoking DMT all the time. I don't think that's good for you. And it's like something, you know, this is gonna sound crazy, but you know, I went to a therapist for a short time. And maybe I said this about how the state of being high on speed, reality cannot compete with it. Real reality cannot compete with it because it's so hyper, hyper active, hyper stimulant. It's so hyperstimilant

Starting point is 01:40:40 that you just reality can't compete with it and that's why people destroy their life's constantly trying to be in that state of hyper Stimulation and I think that's also with like DMT and all that stuff if you if you do if you smoke it too much and you're always there It just it's just gonna destroy your mind. That's my humble opinion. You know, I agree. Do you think every like so often you should do it? You said it's not for every six months, every traumatic moment maybe? Yeah, I don't, I mean like, I'm not an expert, so don't take my word on this. I don't know what the proper number is. But yeah, I don't think you should do it.

Starting point is 01:41:19 I like, I'd somebody do acid. I knew a stripper, a gorgeous stripper, probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably probably, a gorgeous striper, probably probably a stripper, a gorgeous stripper, probably one of the most beautiful women I've ever met my life. She said she did acid for 90 days straight. I can't. I don't know what happens your mind on that. Especially acid, which is a chemical form of like psychedelics, which the CIA put out, and that kind of, you know, and there's a talk about you don't you it definitely makes you dumber. Really? Yeah. I believe I'm sure I believe that one. You know but I just don't think you're

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Starting point is 01:43:36 Yeah, for sure. I mean, that we're starting to realize that's everywhere. The people that may what? Sorry. Crystal Maths, all the cartels, all them, like, you mean, it's just... Oh, you mean, you mean the devil you mean the devil, you mean, you mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's. Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's the the the the the the the the the the that's the that's the the that's. that's, that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's. that's that's th. that's? Crystal Maths, all the cartels, all them, like you mean it's just... Oh, you mean the, yeah, I guess that's fascinating. Yeah, I mean we're just living crazy ass times, dude. Who's living crazy ass times? Yeah, I thought it was a good episode, change of pace, enjoyed it, you know? Guys, you have a good time doing it? Yeah, great th th th th th th th th th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. Yeah. that. thate. tho. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah All right, so real quick go to Sam Triple E. dot.com, bang, bang, pow.

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Starting point is 01:50:29 and it's like they have nothing going on. Okay there's nothing going on. He lives with he lives with his girlfriend. That's good. So my father basically is this is the first couple of men's is who's fucking in my money. And then the next one is who he's going to sue. he he he he he he. he. he. he. he. he. he. he's he. he. he's he's he's he. He's he. He's he's he. He's he. He's he's he. He's he's he's he's he. He's he. He's. He's he's he's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's. He's he. He's he. He's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he's he. He's he. He's first couple of men's is who's fucking amount of money and then the next one is who he's gonna sue that's that's every conversation people are fucking me out money I know they're doing it and then I'm gonna sue this guy okay and I have to talk him off the ledge every time that sounds a lot like what you're gonna end up being probably no dude I'll give up bro I'm so but anyways so the the the magician the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the nenenenene. ne. ne. ne. ne. ne. ne. ne. ne. ne. ne. ne. ne. ne. ne. ne. ne. ne. ne. ne. the the the the ne sounds a lot like what you're gonna end up being probably no dude. I'll give up bro I'm so but anyways So the the magician flies out. He's a nice man and I don't know if you've ever met people from Minnesota, but they're literally the nicest human beings on planet earth. It's like this this wonderful little to it's like that whole Midwest right there like like that too economically depressed nice as people you ever meet? It's nice. It's like, it. It's like, it. It's like, it. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like. It's like the the the the the the the the the the the the th. It's like the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. So. So. So. So. It's th. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So, thi's thi's thi's thi. So. So. So. So, the the the the the. It's like that whole Midwest right there like Michigan's like that too. Economically depressed. Niceest people you ever meet. Nice. I mean

Starting point is 01:51:30 dude you can go all day trying to find an asshole in Michigan. It's it takes a long time. Minnesotans even more that. They're the nicest people. So they're like we're gonna have a magician. I'm like oh they've never seen a magic show this is great. John you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you the the the the the the their. their. their. their. their. their. they their. their. I the nice. I'm. I'm their. I'm. I'm their. I their. I's. I's their. I's nice. I the nice. I the nice. I the nice. I the nice. I the nice. I the nice. I the nice. I the nice. I the nice. I the nice. I the nice. I the nice. I the nice. I the nice. I the nice. I their. I their. I their. I their. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. the. I'm. the. the. I'm. I'm. I'm. the. I'm. I'm. the. I'm. the. I'm. the. I'm. the. a magician. I'm like oh they've never seen a magic show this is great. This is great. John you know if I... Magic melts the brains of children. Yeah, they love it. Oh yeah that and black people. Okay. I really just want to do magic for black. Like if I was Jimmy Schubert my YouTube would just be me walking up to black people doing magic doing magic all the time. Yeah I mean I'm I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I mean I'm I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean I'm I'm I'm I'm like like like like like like like like like. I'm like like like. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah time. Yeah I mean David Blay made his entire career out of it. I know bro they like give me a YouTube blacks blacks on magic how about that blacks on magic instead of blacks on whites will be blacks on magic I just blow people's minds. I mean David Blaine did that whole street magic that

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Starting point is 01:53:05 But man, do you know who the enemy of a magician is? A smart four-year-old kid who sees everything they're doing. So he's doing these tricks and and Ghost is like, it's in your hand. I go, hey, stop, go-sto'e'ghost. Stop doing this, just stop stop let him go my daughter's just heckling this guy the whole time and then he starts complaining he's not getting paid for this gig I'm not getting paid for this guy I'm not going through here right now it's just ridiculous I'm not getting paid why

Starting point is 01:53:39 do I care I'm like you're gonna break this guy this would be an easier crowd. It's a bunch of children. This is a four-year-old. My daughter is just rocking that. This guy's world. It was so funny. What kind of stuff was he? Just what, like, uh, dude, had cool.

Starting point is 01:53:56 Yeah, slight a hand. He had this thing where he would like, not look at it. At this drawing, it would just just just this this this this this this drawing it would just draw itself. Oh that's cool. That's cool. It's very cool. Wow. Yeah it was it was a it was a great time dude. It was she was not impressed. She was but she was too enthusiastic. That was like one time I sat too close at Penn and Teller in Vegas and I could see a little bit of what they were doing on some of the tricks like because they you can if you sit too close in a certain position..... the their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's. It's. It's th. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It's thi. It was a thi. It was a thi. It was a thi. It was a thi. It was a thi. It was a thi. It was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was. It was. It was. It was. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was th. It was. It was. It was a th. It was a th. It was a th. It was a th. It was a th. It was a th. It's. It's thi. It's a thi. It's a thi. It was a thi. It was a thi. It was a thi. It was a thi. It was a thi. It was a thi. It was a thi. It was if you sit too close in a certain position, you can see the side stage and you're not really supposed to be able to see it. So I could see a few things like how they did a few things. Oh no.

Starting point is 01:54:30 Yeah, it kind of ruined it for, I will never sit that close again. I'm sorry, Johnny. Yeah, I love those guys. But anyway, yeah, yeah, if you, even, even, even, even, even, even, even, even, even, even, even, even, even, even, even, even, even, even, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th. I. I. I. I. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. th. th... Yeah, but when you're four, you don't remember anything, but it was like, it was like she had no short-term memory and every second was just a new sorcery trick. It was crazy, dude. So Johnny, final thing of my stories is I almost died. Oh, yeah. I'm assuming this was in the car. So I had my daughters in the car. We were going to drive them to drop them back off with their moms their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the this is in the car. So I had my daughters in the car. We were going to drive them to drop them back off with their moms. So I get, I'm in the lane, my kids are in the back, we listen to John Mayer's serious radio station. Oh yeah, I heard us pretty good. It's really good. I don't know where he pulls these songs. the fire. And it's the perfect thing because it's great it's great it's great it's great it's great it's great th. It's great th. It's great th. It's great th. It's great th. It's great th. It's great th. It's great the th. It's great. It's great. It's great. It's great. It's great. It's great. It's great. the the the the the their their their their their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm their. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. I's. I's. I's. I's. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm. I'm. I'm the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the's fire. And it's the perfect thing because it's great for kids to listen to. And he kind of plays along with the song. Johnny, I'm telling you this. Listen, you guys,

Starting point is 01:55:30 like everyone's like, hey, don't give your kids the iPads for too long. Good luck. Good luck. Good luck. Good luck. Good luck. Take you that pad away. Because here's the whole thing like they went school we went and did an activity they want to chill out and look at their pad what about I'm on my phone I'm watching television what my stuff you can only keep them busy for so long you're on your phone while driving I'm literally no Johnny don't say that so anyways so the point is that I think we give kids a lot of shit that maybe they don't deserve because the truth is they can't run outside like they used to and I don't know four

Starting point is 01:56:09 years old you're still letting kids run around the neighborhood like they used to. They used to though dude for sure. At four? Well I mean in the old days for sure yeah back in the old days because at five you're going to work. I mean yeah you're not far off yeah but now I mean it's been a while since a four-year-old kid I don't think that's a thing. Yeah but they can't go outside that's why so they got figured stuff out so you keep them super active and at some point they just want to sit on their pads. Good luck tell them not to to they when when you you you you you you you you you you you you they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they're they they they they're they're they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they to get to get to to to to to to to to to to don don to don't to to to the to to the they they they they they they they they they they they they that is, like there's no turning back, you know what I mean. It's like once you know, it's like drugs, you know what I mean. Once you know what an iPad is, it's over, YouTube. Well you gotta watch that, you gotta watch what they're doing.

Starting point is 01:56:52 Because listen Johnny, they are now more tech savvy than me that they're today. the the on that pad. They know how to work that pad way more than me. Yeah. So the other day, I'm getting out and put my, I go, you guys can watch your pads for a little longer and then we're going to bed. So I'm like, I wait a couple minutes. I listen here and start here. You.

Starting point is 01:57:20 I go, oh, I recognize that song. It's Superman that Ho by What? What? Don't, don't, don't. Superbond though! I'm like, give me that pad right now. How did you get to that?

Starting point is 01:57:40 And I'm tel you, this is my problem with YouTube. Like they're scanning our words and what we're saying. How's a four-year-old get the soldier boy so easy? You're worried about them listening to this show? And they're listening to, and my daughter's four trying to watch Superman the home videos? Give me that thing back. You're not, no. You don't even know he's talking about and it's not good. Is this related to you almost dying? Oh so anyways. So we're in the car and we're driving back. Yeah, right, like four year olds, I mean dude, they're just super, listen, as the only, so they're like, oh yeah, these kids are dumber. I don't thi, I think they're actually in a different way smarter right?

Starting point is 01:58:29 My nephew talks to Siri dude and he does all his stuff he's learned him boss Siri like he does Siri way better than I do. Yeah I mean like dude there's it's a different skill set than in the 1800s. Yeah they don't know how to do. It's a know, uh, hunt a deer, but they know how to do Siri, right? And all that shit. So anyways, I'm driving, Donny, this is a true story. I am driving on the 101. We go deep home, boy.

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