Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #80: Legalize Weirdness with Mistress Justine Cross

Episode Date: April 5, 2018

Thank you for tuning into another fun episode of Tin Foil Hat. This episode the guys welcome Dominatrix Justine Cross to discuss the controversy surrounding the Sex Trafficking Bill, FOSTA or H.R.1865. Explore whether this bill actually does anything to help stop sex trafficking or will it just lead to more internet censorship? All of this and more on this episode of Tin Foil Hat!

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What the fuck you even talking about? Are you ready to get your mind-blown? Revolution will be podcasted. Yeah, what's up everybody and welcome to another tinfoil hat podcast? You know who we are. You know what we're here to do. Before we're bringing our guests, we just want to go do, we just want to another Tinfoil Hat Podcast. You know who we are. You know what we're here to do. Before we're bringing our guests, we just want to go do our Stargates out of the game. San Francisco, June 1st at Cobbs, Comedy Club. That's right.

It's a Timpoil Hat Comedy Night. Myself, Ryan Davis, Eddie Bravo. And Trez Mala from Las Vegas Vegas are going to be out there We're going to do some stand-up comedy then we're gonna do a Q&A at the end of the show 30 minutes of like podcast and Q&A and yeah, it should be a lot of fun. We're gonna take your we're gonna put out some index cards Everybody puts on their questions and we'll answer the best ones and then whoever brings the most people to the show. their their their their their their their their their their their their their their to to to to to to their to to to their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to do to do to to to to to to to their their their their their their their their their to their to to to to to do do do do do to to their to their their their their their their their to their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the And then, whoever brings the most people to the show, whoever gets their friends, gets to do a private podcast and smoke bong hits and get high as fuck in the green room

with Eddie, after the show. So we're going to do a podcast, smoke weed, Fest, you, Eddie, Ryan, we'll be staying away from the weed, but he'll be there. And that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is th is th is thue thue thue thue their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. th. the. th. th. to. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. he'll be there. And that is June 1st, go to Cobbs Comedy Club in, on Cobbs ComedyClub.com for tickets. And then the next night, we are at the Sacramento Punchline. Go to Sac, go to Punchline Sack, for those tickets. Come, support. Because if the show sell out, bam, we are all over the country with Live Nation. Then next weekend, which is the 13, 14, 15th, I'm headlining the LA, the La Jolla Comedy Store.

So go check that out. Go to the Comedy Store. And get those tickets. All right. So let's get into it today. Very interesting show, very interesting show. The last show we did a bunch of bills and I thought that was a great show with Jimmy Dore. Yeah you guys broke it down the political beast of the Congress man. It was a really good show, very informative. If you haven't heard that yet go check it out. It got on iTunes pretty late which was really weird. Like two days I definitely believe that. So our the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. th. thi. thi. th. thi. thi. thi. th. the. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th. th. two days I definitely believe that. So our next guest contacted me she was on the old version that was on this on this thread which was the naughty show she'd come on she'd brought her a

slave and we had learned about the the wonderful world of Dominatrix. Well she called me up and she wanted to talk about this bill that just the sex trafficking bill that just passed the Senate I believe in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in Washington in Washington in Washington in Washington in Washington in Washington in Washington in Washington in the the the th. in th. in Washington in Washington in Washington in to talk about this bill that just got passed, this sex trafficking bill that just passed the Senate, I believe, in Washington. And kind of like, it might not be what we think it is. Obviously, we're all anti-sex trafficking, but I think when we take a little look at something else might be going on, or at least we need to explore it. You can find it at Los Angeles Dominatrix.com.

Please welcome. Mistress Justine Cross everybody. Hi, thank you so much for having me. That was a very formal introduction. I felt it was way more formal. I just, I'm so... It was excellent. Nervous about fucking people's names up. Yeah, I know. I know. Before the show Ryan couldn't find her website and she went straight into a mistress mode and put them right in his place. Yep, and I went to traditional passive just like yes, yes, yes, I'm sorry. Head down, no eye contact. You will obey. So I want to get into, I want to talk a little bit about your world first

and you know, it's a wonderful world. And I know people in the past I haven't wanted us to get super sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual sexual the the the this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this their this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this thi. I'm right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right. this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this people in the past haven't wanted to get super dirty or super sexual on this thing, but I think this is an interesting world and I think this is a very interesting topic to talk about. How did you get into the world of dominatrix? If you had to describe dominatrix to my mother, what would it be? Well first of all your mother would love me? I would tell her the th the th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th. I would, I would thus I would thus thus. I would, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, to to told, told, told, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, to me, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, thus, th.......... I, th.. I, th.... I, th.. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's love me. I rate very highly with mothers. That's great. I would tell her that I'm a business owner, which is what I am. I probably wouldn't go into the nitty gritty things of what I do,

what I did the last time I was on your show, the naughty show. But basically what I do is, you know, Dungeon East and Dungeon West, and those are available for rentals to people as well, and I do production work, and I also do consulting like, you know, with, you know, major production TVs and stuff like that. Like I was just on little women last night, so it's not just about, you know. So the little people getting their Dominatrix on? Yes, they did. Yes, they their. th. th. th. th. they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they th. they th. th. they th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they they they th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. And I thi. And I thi. And I thi. And I thi. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And I th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, the. And, th. And, th. And We had a lot of fun together. That's a whole bunch of fetishes off into one thing, right? Yes, it was. That's so interesting. So what is the world of dominatrix? I mean, we've all seen 50 shades of gray or at least we know of 50 shades of gray.

We somewhat have our own conception of what dominatrix is? But what is dominatrix if you had to break it down to it? I mean, it's obviously leather and all that stuff, but what it, when, at the, at the bare bones of it, what is it? I mean, I think it's really hard to break down to the bare bones because it's, it's like, it's a huge umbrella of, you know, D.S. D.S. Dynamic, I would would th. I th. I the th. I th. I the th. I th. I th. I th. I th. B. B. I th. I th. B. B. I th. I th. B. B. I'm, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, it's, it's, it's, it's, the, it's, the, the, the, the, the, the. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. B. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I'm, the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, it's probably more about like what it's not. You know, it's not always about pain. It's not always about sex or at least the sex in the way that you would, you know, peeing vagin sex, you know, like it's not necessarily about that. There can be a DS dynamic, a dominant and submissive aspect. It could be about fetishes like leather, orthat feat. You know, it could be about something more of like a fantasy,

like a role play, like a teacher, student kind of thing. So all of that is happening in terms of like what I do again. It's like someone is coming to me with their fantasy or what they want to do, and I'm taking that in and putting it into my limits and things that I enjoy doing and doing like a custom script with custom like a custom script with them every single time and enacting with their fantasy in that way in ways that I feel uncomfortable what I feel uncomfortable engaging with them about but I'm directing it. You're the director yeah I'm Stephen Spielberg this whole thing so women has 50 Shades Great has it been a big bump for your business? Well it's been a big bump in the aspect of like more mainstream gigs and more people coming to the studio space, but it's like my clientele, they've been into this for like, you

know, 20 years. Like they're not suddenly, like, no one suddenly said, I saw or heard of 50 Shades of Grey, and I thought that's a great idea. Let me find a dominatrix because again in 50 Shades of Gray it's a male dominant submissive female fantasy so anyone who's into it is more like or who has read that is more like you know probably your mom's book club. Is it do you consider amateur night? Like what comedians consider April Fool's Day? Do you consider 50 Shades Grey amateur night? I don't know that it's so much amateur night, but it's just, you know, it was never an accurate portrayal of a lot of BDSM. It was like fanfic for, you know, I'm sorry, the vampire thing. So it was

never supposed to even be like BDSM light, you know, I mean, that's what ended up being. It was more about financial domination and, you know, terrible w w w. Well. Well. Well. Well. Well, we the the the th. Well, we th. Well, we th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. th. th. I, th. I, th. I, th. It's, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. It's, th. th. th. th. th. th. It's, th. th. th. It's, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's, it was th. It's up being. It was more about financial domination and, you know, terrible writing. Well, we were talking before the show, we were discussing like who your clientele was, not specifically but the demographics of them. And we kind of had the conception, the, the misconception, that your clientele are these really powerful men who want to be put in their place because they have nobody doing that to them at work and there's this weird kind of need to have that itched? Is that true or is it you're telling me it comes from a spectrum of people, a long, a wide spectrum? Yeah, I mean, like I was saying before the show, you know, that's like the myth that gets out there because that's who we kind of want it to be. We wanted to be the guy who's like a CEO and like a dick at work and causing all these problems and like you know

burning the Amazon forest but he's going to go and like you know pay this woman a lot of money and she's going to kick the shit out of him like that's awesome. Like we all want that. And it's like a lot of the discretionary income and the time and their schedule and the ability to do so and that's totally true. It's you know it's it's a luxury item but it's also something that a lot of people from all walks of life are enjoying and and want to participate in. So you have people from all walks of life you know a couple people who work at like McDonald's coming and get some BDSM done? Yeah I have people who tell me like I their their their their their th. their their their their their their their their their their their. their. their. their their. their. their. th. th. th. th. they th. they th. their their they they they they're they th. It's, you their. It's, you their. It's, you their, their, it, it, it, it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's their their their their their their their their their th. It's th. It's their th. It's th. It's to be th. It's th. It's, you to be th. It's, you know, you know, you th. It's, you th. It's, you their th. It's, you th. tell me like I have to save six months to see you. And I have other people who are making you know their millionaires. Without getting specific, since we are in LA, any chance the Saudi summer do you see more clientele? You know, not that I've seen but a lot of people do go to places like Saudi or Dubai to, you know, just? Reap that a lot of money? to? to? to to th of th of th of thi thi thi thi thi thi tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho tho to to see to see to see to see tho tho tho to see to see tho to see to see to see to to to to to to to to to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see to see thu. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. tho thi. tho tho thon. the thoan thoan the an thoan the an thoan. the an thoan. to the an to to thi a lot of people do go to places like Saudi or Dubai

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set because I just crowd worked a shit out of it and it ended up crushing and it ended making the final, in this big bit I have called oppression math. So, but that's just an interesting world in that man. How did you get into it? Well, it was something I had done in my personal life for many years and then after college I moved out to Los Angeles and I had known a couple pro-doms and I moved from New York and Philadelphia and it wasn't the right time to get in it to me you know for me professionally and when I came out to LA I just googled Los Angeles and Dungeon, you know, people working there all the time. So I started working there for about a year. I realized I wanted to make more money and there's a lot of restrictions.

Why did you realize you wanted to do this? Because what age? Like, I knew I wanted to be a comedian for the moment. I didn't even know there was a name for what I wanted to do. Well, I mean, I mean there there there there there there there there there there there there was there was there was there was there was there was there was there was the they. I their their their their their their thi. I thi. I thi. I tho. tho. I thi thi. thi. I was tho to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I was thi. I was thi. thi. thr. thr. thr. thr. thr. the. thr. the. thr. I thr. I to to to to I was like, I'm going to grow up in via Dominatrix. But I can say to you a true story that when I was in high school, my friends who I'm still friends with today, gave me a book called I was a teenage dominatrix by Shauna Kenny and they said, we think you should do this, you know, and one of those oh, well, you must have seen her through quite a bit of changes. You've known her for 20 years and she said, oh, not really. It was in you.

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Yes, this is why we can't have nice things. Now, we want to get in this bill because you know, we've talk about that here and there because we are in the world conspiracies and that's a really big thing and so I think we would all agree that that sex trafficking is wrong. I mean there's no one this isn't a discussion I'm right and wrong on that. I think we all agree on that and what that represents because it is not prostitution. And we've talked about this before on the show where I do not believe prostitution should be illegal. I think it's a poor person's crime, meaning that, you know, your streetwalkers go to jail. They tend to be, you know, they tend to be like a lower income demographic compared to let's say high-end escorts or sugar daters who tend to be good girls who are just you know I just tell people to be my money

slave and they give me money you know that type of person and stuff like that. I don't know I there's no real reason for prostitution to be illegal other than the the desire to control female, and obviously gay, but female sexuality? Oh, absolutely. It's well, to control, I don't even think it's so far as to control female sexuality, it's absolutely just to control women.

You know, this is like what one of three professions in the world where, you know, women get paid more than men. And also, you know, unfortunately, the, the, you know, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the, the the the, the, the, the, their, their, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, this is like what one of three professions in the world where, you know, women get paid more than men. And also, you know, unfortunately back to child trafficking, like, why do we not really want to make this go away? Like, well, who is participating in child trafficking? Like, there's one end, which is, you know, street traffic, you know, people on the you know international boulevard in Oakland or it's like deep deeply connected to politicians and celebrities and you know the church that are participating sex child trafficking. Right right right right right and it's just about filling you know drug wars prostitution all about throwing poor people in jail I mean even before that became privatized prison that has

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each other and that like we're trying to take power away from each the yeah I'm just trying to think of what is the argument against legalizing prostitution? And I think you'd be like married women, like, well, what if they go and they, you know, their husband's cheat? Well, then, you know, um, having affairs in illegal, you know, I mean, it's technically not illegal, is it? I don't think so. I mean, if you're, I think you break a binding contract or something, if you're married, but maybe it's just... Can you go to jail for it? Can you be fined for it?

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for sex workers according to critics. So this thing is called allow states and victims to fight online sex trafficking or FASTA, correct? Targets online content and promotes the facilities that prostitution think back page and Punishable up to 10 years in prison according to like what the words say So they're gonna put you in jail for 10 years if they find you on back page is what they're saying Well, here's the thing I can't traffic myself. Yeah, so that's not what this is. Yeah, but I mean that the yeah, there's fasta, and theysta, so, the, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, their, their, their, their, their, their, th, th, th is th, their th, th, th, th. th. th. th. th. th is th is th. th is th is th is th is th is th is th is th. th is th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th is, th is th is, th is thi, thi, thi, thi, the, their, the, their, the, the, their, their, the, their, the, thin, the, thi, thi, thethat the yeah, there's FASTA and then there's SESTA. So however, if I, like for example, I couldn't advertise that I do a double with someone or I couldn't advertise for someone on any of my social media or website that, you know, someone else other than me is using my facilities because I could be trafficking them.

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fundraiser, you know, the fundraiser hospital situation and they're also being stuck there and they're being sold in this like very high, high end kind of way. But if we stop those people from buying children or participating sex trafficking, there will be no more market. Taking away the internet is not going to stop the market. Listen, listen, whenever you try to outlaw something, it never gets better. Like, listen, I think we're all going to agree sex trafficking, whether you outlaw something makes a better, worse, who cares?

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companies including Alphabet Inc. You guys should remember Alphabet Inc. because that's actually Google. That's the father company of Google. Yeah, nobody talks about that. So whenever you see Alphabet Inc., that shit ain't, it's sinister as Facebook and been reluctant to support any congressional effort to dent what is known as section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, a decades-old law that protects them from the liability for their activities of their users. All right, well you should know about what's happening and let's hope that Trump doesn't sign this. I'm not too sure do we want Trump to sign this? We don't for your sake. No, no, we absolutely don't because again, it's not,

I mean, of course I'm here and I'm arguing for my own interests as well as those and my colleagues and friends that this is going to harm sex workers, but what's a bigger issue and what people need to pay attention to is that it doesn't actually help those. internet freedoms as well as freedom of speech. So this is like the way the Patriot Act was. It was proposed to be something good. Correct, yes. It's and it's just like I'm a I'm a liberal, you know, but it just seems like the left can't go quick enough to giving away all their rights. You know whether it's

internet censorship over like, you know, mean, mean, mean, tweets, mean, mean, mean everything. It's just like it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's unbelievable. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's, it's. It's, it's, it's. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like just like, it's unbelievable how they're so quick to want to give away their right to freedom expression. Well, you know what, man, it's no different than when you said somebody should be allowed to be gay, somebody should be allowed to do this, somebody should be allowed to do that. It's like you should have the right to express yourself. It's not about just expressing the right. It's the right. It's about just expressing good things all the time, because who decides what's good? Who decides what's right?

That's a slippery slope. And the Gold Post always keeps changing depending on who it is. And it's just like, I don't understand why people don't see that. It's like, it's not about just like this thing. It's like, oh, what about the thing after that? And and it's just going to be ridiculous. Well, it's funny how you said the left is ready to give away rights. Well, 1984, George Orwell, he said it, freedom is slavery. And it's funny how you make, you should ask them your slaves, they probably feel the frees when they're completely, completely dominated.

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So we have the left here begging for people to take away our rights because, you know, Amy Schumer, whenever Amy Schumer is on something, just assume her cousin or uncle told her to say it. I have nothing against her personally comedically, but she's a definitely an elitist from a very elite family. She's part of that whole power structure, without a doubt. She supported this. She supported Cesta and she was, she, she supports everything like that. The horrible little person. I'm like interview me or any other sex worker who you've affected by this. Interview a sex trafficked victim who's not an advocate and talk to them about how this doesn't help.

I mean, the truth is these people probably like, I don't want to have, I don't want them to have to sell their body to survive. Well, okay, that's their choice. But what you're doing is to take, if that if that is, if that is, if that's that's, if that's, if that's, if that's, if that's, if that's, if that's, if thi, if thi, if thi, if thi, if thi, if thi, if thi, if thi, if thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thi.. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the. thea. thea. thea. theat. theat, thi. thea. the. the. thea. Exactly. Again, and it's like not your, again, it has to be distinguished between sex trafficking and consensual. Without a doubt, I'm not talking about you and me who understand this. Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I know, but they need to understand that where it's like, you know, you know, but you, that, you that their teat. to be, throwns, their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their, their their their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the. the. the. ta. ta. ta. ta. today, ta. ta. today, tha. tha. tha. tha. ta. ta we don't want children to be sex trafficked. And that obviously needs to be stopped. There's no agency there for a child. There's no decision-making process for that.

And yes, some people are doing what's called survival sex work because they don't have access, where it's like kind of in between. It's not really quite trathat they can make in terms of like, are there just like tons of jobs out there for like underqualified or even qualified people? And that's what they're doing and that's what they're choosing to do to support themselves and sometimes support their families. And you cannot take that choice away from them. You're putting people in danger. You're hurting people and the peopletruth and some people honestly are born into a world of shit. You know, I mean like in Kansas I think they like 80 kids in foster care just disappeared. Gone.

Nobody knows where they are. Good luck investigating that too. And so you got the left that's all we got protect women when they're actually hurting them and then you have the right with this ridiculous moral code that they don't that that just is just in in face value they don't they don't do anything to back it up they don't they talk to talk they do not walk to walk we've seen that if you want to listen to a great episode listen to the dollop when they talk about Blackwater Eric Prince and Blackwater I mean that that th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi the the the tho tho tho tho the tho th th the th th th th they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they they th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the the the the the thou the the the the the the they they they a Christian. He is the farthest thing from that. Yeah. And this, and the guy who's sponsoring this bill is, uh, is,

is, oh, yeah, you guys want. So the chief architect of this bill is Republican, Republican Senator Rob Portman. It sounds like just a facement list guy, but once you really look into who he is, he is the U U U U U U U U U U U U U U U U U, the U, the U, the U, the U, the U, the U, th th the U.S. House representatives representing half of Greater Cincinnati and Ohio River, serving six consecutive terms. That's way too many terms. Red flag number one.

Red flag number two is he worked underneath both of the Bush boys. And I'm not talking about the Australian hip-hop group, all right? I'm talking about Bush boys. And he has been listed as a possible Republican vice presidential candidate in the past two presidential elections. All right, so he is being groomed. Rob Portman has also been listed among the 10 U.S. senators receiving the most funding from the NRA. Sorry, gun nuts. It's just the fucking facts. While in Congress, he supported the constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. Dick. All right, but in 2011, University of Michigan law

student graduates walked out on him during a commencement address because to protest his position after circulating a petition trying to get him removed as the event speaker. Here's the sad part. Portman admitted that the protest occurred when he already knew his son was gay. All right, so that was in 2011. Republican Senator Rob Portman campaigned hardcore in 2012 for Mitt Romney. All right, in 2013, he invited CNN to his Senate office to reveal some news. I'm announcing today I've changed my heart on an issue that a lot of people feel strongly about that has to do with gay couples and their opportunity to marry.

Portman said he discussed the issue with members of his church and former Republican Vice President Dick Cheney, whose daughter is also gay. First of all, if you go to church with Dick Cheney, that is the most heavy metal shit ever. Invite me, please. So I mean, this is the guy that they set up to push the bill. So you know that he's th you know th you know that he th you know th you know that he's thu that they set up to push the bill, you know, so you know that he's a game player.

He has been forever. Six times being a guy, being in the migs. So it makes it like he's trying to help people, but is he? Because he's in the pockets, dude. Deep. Dude, again, it's like this gives, this gives, you know, powerful people the ability to take out people that they don't like. I mean all you gotta do is like oh this you know basically it's saying like if you're soliciting sex on Snapchat they could shut they could shut Snapchat down and now just shut it down they could take all their everything from them. Oh yeah and they have and before this even happened people were getting shadow banned on Twitter, Instagram their accounts were getting shut down same thing with Snapchat where it their their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their they's, they're their their they're, their their their, their, their, their, their, their, they're they're they're they're they're, they're they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, they's, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their their their their their their their te.e.e.e.e.e. te.e.e. te.e. their toe.e. their toe. their their toe Twitter, Instagram, their accounts were getting shut down.

Same thing with Snapchat, where it's like their terms of service change and then they've decided what is pornography and what is illegal. And it's like, you know, I mean, the people who I know who are getting their Snapchat's taking down, it's like they're selling n case of anyone on any of these social media platforms who are like, yes, we are trafficking people and we shut them down. It's born stars, it's escorts, it's people I know who their accounts are getting shut down for these kinds of things. Like where, where is their case of the of these things happening? I'm not saying that they don't, but again, I'm not sure that the majority or the majority, or the majority, the majority, the majority, the majority, the majority, the majority, the majority, the majority, the majority, the majority, the majority, the majority, the majority, the majority, the majority, the majority, the majority, the majority, the majority, the majority, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, they......, they.. they. they. they. It's, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, the majority or even where we need to be going is like on the internet of this middle ground of like back page or like escort ads and you

know what you know these sites of where we're being published and where we're advertising for services. So we live on the coast and I always say this to people that live anywhere on the coast that unless you've been in the middle of America you really don't know what America's like because I I'm just wondering, does this only really affect us because we're kind of out there, if you will, we're more free and people in the middle of America are closed off. Is this some right-wing Christian shit or is this actually trying to, in a way, help people?

Well, for me, it's how it went about that makes me very nervous. When you say, hey, if you're involved in trafficking, we're going to seize your assets. And everyone's like, yay! And then they're like, yeah, and if you're an internet that just allows people to solicit money for sex, we're going to do that too. We're like, whoa, you know, that's what makes me nervous, you know? And I don't know, man. I just like, I don't know why anybody would trust the government on anything? Yeah, this bill seeks to clarify United States sex trafficking law to make it illegal to knowingly

assist, facilitate, or support sex trafficking. And it's an amend to section 230, which safe harbors of the Communications Decency Act. I mean, this is basically designed to exclude enforcement of federal and state trafficking laws for its immunity. Do you know there was a time where porn companies could only do X number of interracial videos? Really? They couldn't, yeah, it couldn't be all interracial. It had to be just a small group because those guys in Washington were going nuts. You know, it's just, it's this weird thing where, like my opinion, I'm gonna piss some people off. I don't want the really old to be voting and I don't want the really young to be voting. You know, this whole thing about let's let. Don't worry, they're not. Yeah. Well, there's this whole push to like let 15 and 16 year olds vote and it's like I'm sorry you don't know the world yet and I get that everybody's really happy about all this in this movement God bless them but you know what I realized when I at 25 I'm like

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trafficking and children, slavery and things like this and I think that's like a really big problem that we're not that it's like involved with organized crime. I don't know how to fix that problem. I do know that myself and the majority of my friends who are doing sex work we're like we're not we are trying to do good things here it's like I really enjoy my work in terms of like making people happy and it isn't different from like doing a massage or doing it's in the service industry of completing a service and that service happens to be sexual but that doesn't that you shouldn't be judging me morally nor should you be you know saying what I do is suddenly illegal because you have a bug up your ass like it's spanking someone or you know that is the history of the hypocrisy of religion like you know this all just the-I th th th th th th th th th th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. I is thi. I is thi. I is thi. I is thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. to thi. to thi. to thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. th history of the hypocrisy of religion. This is all just hurting women.

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This is going to affect middle America. It is affecting Craigslist. It is it's going to go down and it's going to affect everybody else. It's not just like you know like the hundred sex workers in California and and you know it's not just affecting us. I'm with you. I am for the protections of someone's right to earn a dollar if he's not hurting he or she is not hurting anybody else. I think anything should be allowed if it's with consensual adults. I don't know why there's any rules on that. It makes absolutely no sense. You know, we're talking about earlier. Everything we were told was a lot. If you, if you're gay, you're going to burn in hell,

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Yeah, there's a Democratic senator, Ron Wyden. He's basically said, this bill will not, will only prop up and entrench players who are rapidly losing the public's trust. I mean, we don't trust the government, right? The failure to understand the technological side effects of this bill, specifically that has become harder to expose sex traffickers, while hamstringing innovation will be something that Congress will very much regret." I'm quote.

So I mean, he's even telling you, he's like, dude, this is not going to go the way you think it is. No, exactly. And the other person who voted against it was, I believe, is a woman, and she also said, like, she's worked a lot with sex trafficking. And she's like, this is not the way to go about this. She had a background work and experience doing this. And from her level of expertise, she said, this is not how we're going to help anybody. And the common theme, usually we're angry at nerds,

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back to the old way of getting it out, which is news and cable and all that stuff. And going after Snapchat, Twitter, Facebook is a way to kind of a death blow to that stuff. It's interesting, dude. It's interesting. Now if we can step away from the actual bill itself, I'm wondering, since you are LA-based and you have East and West dungeons, not necessarily your dungeon, but have ever heard of any criminal forces, say like the Armenian mob, Russian MS-13, anyone getting involved, because I always thoughts, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, they, they, they, they, they, kind they, they, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, kind, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they.. And, theyb, theybue, and, theybushe, and, and, theymea, theyb.ea, theyb.c.c.k, is, is, theybush, theyb, theyb, they mob, Russian mob, MS-13, anyone getting involved?

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photos with them you can't take selfies with them because like they're pause you know and they were just so sweet and it was great because you could take photos with everyone and everyone's in be identified. I think it's great. It was amazing it was wonderful I think I'm gonna post like an old photo of me with a furry today because I love that. I love that. Yeah we're holding true to it Sam said if we ever get to 500 Patreon subscribers I'm gonna get a furry almost a hundred away. So we'll see what happens. I think it's time for everybody's favorite. Oh shit. Even though he's from... Don't be an idiot.

A-A-Ron. Well you better be sick, dead or mute. A-A-Ron. You're done messed up, A-A-Ron! Get filthy animal. Aaron, thoughts. Well, uh, I love that I'm seen as the straight-laced good guy here and Ryan was the Eagle and Boy Scout. Yeah. Not me. Yeah. Had no interest in it ever. I do think it's interesting that when Trump came out with this, with his sex trafficking bill or ordinance or whatever, he wanted to call it. It's around the same time that Alex Jones is screaming about it and we all know Trump is a huge Alex Jones fan. For better or worse, I don't care what spurs it, obviously sex trafficking needs to stop. But if this is going after the wrong people, that's just, that's like what often happens

with legislation. It's just like the best intentions and the wrong outcome. Pushorses it deeper, deeper down. And then you see how these guys operate in Washington. Now let me just say this, my whole opinion on government is the government isn't the problem because the government is just a collection of thoughts. It's the people who act on those thoughts and more importantly people who manipulate those thoughts that are, you know, it's like for everything you hate about government, I guarantee you there's a giant corporation that made that thing

happen and that's more my issue because we could if we actually could get everybody to go completely change the government to the way we want to, but they got us fighting with each other all the time. That's going to be very hard for that to happen. So that's my opinion on that. I thought this was a great episode, man. I really enjoyed it. I hope you guys did. I know I stumbled over a couple of my words a thousand times.

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