Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #837: The JFK Assassination Chokeholds With Matt Crumpton

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Starting point is 00:02:11 Please welcome to the show for the first time hopefully many times Matt Crumpton. How are you brother? Hey, how you doing Sam? Good to be on the show, man. I'm very familiar with it seen it many times Glad to finally be on it. Very cool. I love it, I love it. How does a man who's past the bar end up doing podcasts and talking to conspiracy theorists? What is that story? Yeah man, well, you know, just being obsessed with it. And ever since I saw, you know, Jack Ruby shoot Oswald

Starting point is 00:02:41 in the background of Billy Joel's We Didn't Start the Fire music video, I was like, what's going on with that? And then I found out, oh, well, you know, Jack Ruby shoot Oswald in the background of Billy Joel's We Didn't Start the Fire music video. I was like, what's going on with that? And then and then I found out, oh, well, you know, here's this Bruder film, here's JFK going back into the left. And then I found out, hey, you know, the guy you saw in the Billy Joel video, that's actually the guy they said shot him, they killed him a couple days later. I was like, well, hang on now. So it started early. And then I looked at it, I was like many people, I was like, well, hang on now. So it started early and then I looked at it. I was like many people, I was kind of overwhelmed by all the information, stepped away from it.

Starting point is 00:03:13 And then I kind of got back into it and I was like, wait a minute, someone should actually put this shit together. And so that's kind of what I tried to do. And then I found out a lot of people still believe the Warren Report. A lot of people still believe Oswald did it. So that's kind of when I decided to do the podcast of comparing each argument and kind of, you know, trying to be objective and going down the road. But the problem is I can't unknow what I know.

Starting point is 00:03:35 So yeah, I'm objective when I get started. But once I know something, I'm not going to forget it. So then you kind of become less objective once you already know something, if that makes sense. And I respect that. So people always ask me, how do I research for my shows? And what I tell them is I don't. And the reason I don't do it, because I used to do it.

Starting point is 00:03:54 I used to research the episodes before the episode. And then I found myself directing the episode and the guests to my conclusions. And I go, that's not what we're supposed to do with the show. This show is the guest comes on and presents what they believe happened and then the listeners and the viewers can decide from there whether they got it right.

Starting point is 00:04:19 So I understand what you're saying. It is a very hard, hard thing to talk about. Now when we discussed JFK and I love that you brought up the different theories on it. It is a big reason why this Sam speaking, nobody else, why I'm hesitant to believe the Donald Trump assassinations is because My belief is that in these high-impact events They have multiple layers to to ensure that the event occurs and is and to completion and

Starting point is 00:05:00 so like I JFK to me JFK and So like JFK to me JFK and 9-eleven are very similar and that you have all these warring factions Discussing what they think happened. They're so sure they are the right ones and everyone else is idiots And I think maybe they're all right because maybe there are these multiple Situations going on so I'm very excited to hear that that that is what you do. So thank you for that. Where do you want to begin, man? Well, I guess just kind of unpacking the podcast and the journey for the whole thing. We started in season one and we look at all the basic questions, anything you want to talk about in terms of him, you know, owning

Starting point is 00:05:45 the rifle and all the information about that. And then, you know, he supposedly brings the rifle to the schoolbook depository, but there's counterpoints against that. Let me just say, when you look at the Warren Report and you look at the arguments of, you know, someone like Gerald Posner, their points make a lot of sense. It's just that once you zoom, like if they're true, if what they're saying is true, then yeah, duh, Oswald did it. Okay. Okay. Real quick. When you zoom into it, the points, they start to fall apart. Okay.

Starting point is 00:06:15 You know what I mean? When you say, I didn't mean to cut you off because you said a couple of names that maybe the listeners won't be familiar with exactly what is their take on that. So you mentioned like one guy. So who is he, what is his relationship to the Warner Report and what is his take on that? Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, I think I mentioned Gerald Posner. Yeah. And Gerald Posner. The singer is Mike Posner. The author is Gerald Posner. All right, I got it. So Gerald Posner, he's like the OG Warren Report defender guy. He wrote the main

Starting point is 00:06:51 book that most people who believe the Warren Report still continue to cite. It came out right after Oliver Stone's JFK. And then there's a... So yeah, he's sort of the main one who's alive. This guy, Vincent Bugliosi, who was the Charles Manson prosecutor, he wrote the other real, you know, the big book, Defending the Warren Report, and that one's called Reclaiming History. That one was written later, so it covers more stuff, but kind of my whole thing, look, man, I'm on your show. So you kind of have a general idea of what I think. So I am a little more conspiracy leaning. So if I find a fact that I'm like, this is overwhelming, like this is crazy, it's almost like a smoking gun, there has to be a

Starting point is 00:07:37 counter argument. When I go to Vincent Bugliosi's book and there's no counter argument, I go, oh, man, okay. All right, well, score one for the conspiracy team, I guess It's interesting because that guy seems to have gotten everything wrong all the time, right? Like yeah from his trial to his book, you know, we've had the guy who wrote chaos on he He corners him the you know Boliosi or however you pronounce his last name, can't quite answer any of the questions, starts to get frustrated.

Starting point is 00:08:09 In a different time, probably could pull some strings to get the author of Chaos in trouble. He's an old man now, an old lion, doesn't have that kind of power anymore. So it's interesting that the old, you know, it's like what you see with all these like high impact events, some people can call them false flags, whatever you want to call them, the same characters keep showing up all the time, right? Like the corner or the auto, whoever

Starting point is 00:08:38 does the autopsy, you know, he, he, he's in many different cases. You have therapists who are involved with many different cases. So, I find it all super interesting. Yeah. I think you're talking about Jolly West. He's the big connection between Jack Ruby and Charles Manson and MK Ultra in the CIA, and shockingly, Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City. So, Jolly West is at all of those things. That's pretty fun. And what do you think his job is? Why do you think he's included in all that? My suspicion, this is an educated guess, this is not like a proven conclusion, my suspicion is, you know, we know that he's involved in MK Ultra. It seems like, you know, when he goes to visit Jack Ruby, and Jack Ruby's all excited about

Starting point is 00:09:27 going to testify before the Warren Commission, they're coming to Dallas. But after Dr. West visited Ruby, Ruby started to have like a psychotic break. And when he actually testified before the Warren Commission, his mind was just goo. So, I think Yeah, right. Pete Slauson So, I think what he does is he does some MKUltra type stuff on people that they don't want to tell the truth, would appear to be the case. But back to Bouliosi really quick, just an anecdote on that. So, there's a guy named Dr. David Mantick. He's an oncologist and radiologist. And he went to the National Archives and he brought this device called an optical densitometer. Again, this guy's whole career, he's an expert in studying X-rays, okay? That's what this guy does, of bones in particular. And so, he's looking at

Starting point is 00:10:18 the X-ray of JFK's skull in the National Archives, brings this device just to test the density of the bone based on how bright the light is. And the bone density in the right rear of Kennedy's head, which, according to the archives and the X-ray, is perfectly intact, which would mean there was no shot from the front, aka the Warren Report's right. When we look at that part of the X-ray, according to David Mantick, who's an expert, there's a patch that's been applied because the bone density is thousands of times denser than all the bone around it. It's not possible for the bone to be that bright. So, I'm like, oh my gosh, smoking gun, what does Bouliosi have to say about this? So, I go to his index and sure enough, he mentions David Mantick.

Starting point is 00:10:59 It's on the CD-ROM. Okay, I get out my CD-ROM equipment, right? And then I go to the PDF and the CD-ROM, I find there's two paragraphs about this guy, Dr. David Mantick. He says, the first paragraph is just praising him. Dr. David Mantick is one of the smartest professionals. He's an oncologist, whatever. And then the second paragraph on Mantick is, and so it's hard to understand how someone so smart could believe something so stupid. What a total idiot. Well, I guess if you allow yourself to be stupid, you're going to be dumb. Again, like, so this is the level of analysis from the main guy. And once I saw that, I started to realize, hang on now, there's a lot of things that they don't have counterpoints for. Now, I will say this, a lot of folks in the conspiracy world have, if you only watch Jim

Starting point is 00:11:46 D'Eugenio, who's a friend of mine, co-author, but if you only watch him and you only read conspiracy books, you're going to go through the world thinking, why does everyone not see this and believe it? Why are we not protesting in the streets because of the coup or whatever, right? But the reality is there are counterpoints and there's a whole world of Warren Report defenders that actually know the case pretty well and they will cite you to the counterpoint, I'm saying to the conspiracy case. It's just that many times there are counter counterpoints. So again, like everything is hotly contested. And, you know, for some issues I went, look, I can't tell you

Starting point is 00:12:25 based on the arguments, you know, trying to look at each issue in a vacuum, you know, for some it's inconclusive. But for a lot of them, enough to be determinative, it's clear that the Warren Report was not correct. Oswald did not fire any shots that day. And, you know, there by definition had to have been a conspiracy to kill President Kennedy. You know, this reminds me a lot of the 911 Commission day to and their article and how how you know, they basically blame it on you know, there's one line about Saudi Arabia and I don't buy it. I don't buy any of it.

Starting point is 00:13:06 I think it's way deeper than that. And a big, another recently a reason that I believe that Saudi Arabia wasn't actually involved, but it was actually British intelligence through a government cut cut out of Saudi Arabia is that we work with Saudi Arabia so much. Like, I mean, how many sports events happen with Saudi, like, dude, they literally had a Saudi Arabia golf, golf charity event, or a golf event, and the trophy looked like steel beams from 9-eleven it was crazy right in your face but I'm like I don't think people if people

Starting point is 00:13:52 really believed the powers that be really believed that Saudi Arabia was behind it we wouldn't be able to get near them with a 10-foot pole that's why I really do believe that's that to me is a low- key sign that Saudi Arabia wasn't involved the way people want to be involved. You don't like that as a demoralization? What? You don't like that as demoralizing? Of Saudi Arabia?

Starting point is 00:14:13 No, I mean that they did it. Many people know it and still we have to work with them. Well, I mean, that's a really good argument too, but to me, Saudi Arabia is just a satellite. Saudi Arabia, Israel are both satellite territories of the very hidden British Empire. That's my belief. That if you study that like you just, I really do believe Britain is really way more in control and it's so funny because I have the British hit me up, hey mate, that might be Australia, I don't know but they're always like, you're giving us a little too much power. We don't have any power here. I go ah

Starting point is 00:14:47 Well, yeah, maybe perhaps not the government right but no 100% Bank of Bank of England now that's a city of London. Yeah, which isn't actually a part of Britain. You know well That's a world. That's a global. That's a global power. Yeah, that's a Vatican DC City of London, you know another time that the Saudi Arabia shows up during the Vegas shooting Yeah. Yeah, and then nothing ever gets in but investigate which is which is Interesting. We that's a whole nother podcast you can get into it's like do the elites ever really pay for their their sins ever And not in this plane not in this plane So so going back to

Starting point is 00:15:25 to to JFK I just think there's just so many layers to this whole thing that it's like and maybe I'm wrong correct me what you think but like I think there's so many layers and each layer doesn't know about the other layer that they work in a vacuum almost yeah there's compartmentalization for sure within the CIA. And within a lot of the, I mean, you're kind of getting at ultimately, like, what was the plot? What exactly happened? That's season three of Solving JFK. Pete Slauson Yeah. Pete Slauson So, hey, hey, stay tuned everybody.

Starting point is 00:16:01 Pete Slauson Yeah, yeah. Pete Slauson But, just back to your point on 9-11 and the layers, so there's a thing in the JFK assassination called the onion peel theory, okay, which is what I think happened. And I think arguably you can make an analogy to 9-11. So let me unpack the JFK onion peel theory. The idea is everybody, the commoners, okay, people who watch the news and believe it, the story for them is Lee Harvey Oswald did it. Move on. The Warren Commission, who is a bunch of esteemed politicians that you can trust, and by the

Starting point is 00:16:34 way, Republicans and Democrats, so you know it must be legit. That was kind of their whole argument. And so, for the average citizen, it's Oswald alone. Now for insiders, for government insiders, people who are conducting the investigation, it was a different story. It was the story of Mexico City, okay? And that story was, hey, Oswald went down to Mexico City and he's visiting with the Soviet consulate, and not just anybody at the Soviet consulate, the head of assassinations for the Western Hemisphere, Kostikov was the guy's name, his first name escapes me.

Starting point is 00:17:13 So, so the argument, you know, again, the second layer is, hey, it's not Oswald alone, it's Oswald, but with the Soviet Union helping him. And if you, and if you continue to look into that, you're going to find a trail of conspiracy, but it's going to be a conspiracy going back to the Soviet Union. If the American public finds out about that, it's going to demand a nuclear response from us. If we have a nuclear response, they will have a nuclear response. It'll be the end of the world. And Lyndon Johnson literally told this story to Earl Warren and Richard Russell, and we have it on tape. We have the tapes. It's amazing.

Starting point is 00:17:51 Now, so, and then the final, the inside layer of the onion peel, what really happened, that's, you know, that's the question, isn't it? But, you know, probably, most likely, it's a compartmentalized little group within the CIA that's off books and isn't known about to the CIA director at the time, but is known about by Alan Dulles, the operation is called ZR Rifle to kill Castro, and it was Cuban exiles, a couple of CIA folks, and some mafia folks trying to kill Castro, they just turned that and used it to kill JFK. Pete Slauson It's so deep, dude.

Starting point is 00:18:27 It's so deep. Jared Slauson And then, and then they had the FBI help to clean it up after the fact and, you know, using this argument of Mexico City nuclear war. Now, here's what's, before it gets into the 9-11 analogy. Mexico City, what's crazy is the day after the assassination, J. Edgar Hoover calls LBJ on the phone and this call was deleted, it was erased. Okay, so we have the tape, but we can see where it's been erased on the tape. Okay, so that's weird, it's the only one that's erased. But anyway, part of it was transcribed before it was erased. And

Starting point is 00:19:02 the part that was transcribed says, it's got Jager Hoover telling LBJ, hey, Oswald visited with this guy in Mexico City that's, you know, Soviet, he's basically with the Soviet Union, it looks bad. And then the second thing Hoover told LBJ is, but that wasn't really Oswald, it was an imp imposter because we got photos of the guy and we have his voice on tape and it doesn't match what our agents in Dallas said. So LBJ doesn't tell the full story when he talks on the phone to Earl Warren and Richard Russell. He just says the part about the Soviet Union and it's going to result in millions of lives. And you serve for your country, you're a fat fat ass now but you put on your uniform from World War one and you serve

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Starting point is 00:24:39 like, Oh, they might need me. Hell, I might have to go back down in Chicago and They talked to my love. Okay, so I want to go into Something you already brought up which was the skull so so The there are so many theories out there and it's always fun when young people Dive into a conspiracy because they always think they found something new and everybody I mean we're gonna get some deep shit here because we've had people come on and say some stuff that would not be seen as mainstream now it's very interesting because you keep using the term conspiracy which is hilarious because this is the event that ushers in conspiracy theorists. It is the term that the FBI used to describe people, to one of the best in the game, would always be like,

Starting point is 00:25:45 get upset if he got called a conspiracy theorist. And I would always go, Jimmy, stop getting angry. You only believe that two, at least two people conspired. That's all really a conspiracy theory theorist is. What you're really doing is giving them power to scare you. And I like, dude, that's why I go, I remember going, what is the most demonized term that I could come up with to name this podcast? I go tinfoil hat. I wanted to be the NWA of podcast names because I thought when they own that name, I didn't know they were CIA, but back then I was like, man, they own that name. That's how you do it, dude. It's like that. It's like that one show, the guys we fucked, like, can you pick about the most like name?

Starting point is 00:26:30 But that's why that show blew up. It blows up because the name perfect, guys we fucked, tinfoil hat. You get what you want. Dude, next year is eight years, the show's still in the top 100 of comedy. That's insane. Okay. So, but back to what we're discussing So that's what they did but there's so many layers to this thing. It's like how deep do you go? What are we gonna you know and? Lyndon B Johnson was like he was like a gangster in a in the like you get that picture with him and and JFK's wife like and they're both smirking. And you could catch somebody at a weird moment, right? Yeah, the judge, his friend, yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:13 Yeah, maybe it's like, oh, hey, Paul, man, it's crazy, huh? And it just looks like he's laughing about it. But that seems a pretty sinister smile at that point, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, LBJ, I'm not ruling him out. He might be involved. He might have had foreknowledge. He's not the quarterback of it. You know, that would be very surprising to me if I were to find that. I've studied this some, I'm not totally blind to it. It's just when I cover something, that's when I just dedicate my life to it. You know what I mean? And I look at all the counterpoints and I go super deep. But yeah, LBJ is definitely a person of interest. I mean, George H.W. Bush is a person of interest. We're talking about people of interest. 100%. And I want to get into that. But the reason I brought up all that, sorry, I lost the point and I was like, I'm just going to shut up and let him talk.

Starting point is 00:28:00 Now you're good. And I remember the point is, you know, you talk about the skull and where the shot comes from and that maybe they reconstructed the skull to make it seem like it didn't come. You know, the big thing is that people always want to talk about is the driver and did the driver have something to do with it? And Bill Cooper played a video was like, you could see the driver pull up a gun and shoot But then later he refutes it after being told he was kind of corralled into believing that When you bring up the skull is that something you're talking about or is that more to say there was only one shot? Well, that's to say there was a shot from the front that hit him in the head.

Starting point is 00:28:49 There may have been a second shot from the back that hit him in the head. That's less clear. That's a different conversation. What were you saying before that? Well, that basically the like, let's start with this. Based on your research, and I'm going to tell you things I've learned, we may get into. Oh, the driver. Yes.

Starting point is 00:29:15 Like how many shots from how many areas do you think happened? Well, just quickly on the driver, I know some people really believe that strongly, okay? And for that reason, I am going to cover it next season. But from what I've seen- But have you done research into it? Yes, yes. Okay. But from what I've seen so far, it would be very, very surprising to me.

Starting point is 00:29:41 And it looks, if that was true, what it looks like is happening is there's a glare off of the gun. So the driver does turn around, it does raise a gun, and there's a glare that hits the gun. So I'm not saying people are crazy, but I'm just saying there are zero witness statements about that happening. And there are a lot of witness statements that point to the point against the official story. I mean, the evidence the Warren Report uses statements about that happening. And there are a lot of witness statements that point against the official story. I mean, the evidence the Warren Report uses to reach its conclusion does not support its own conclusion. So, there's overwhelming evidence of a shot from the front, but there's nobody that, no witnesses say that they saw the driver do it. And again,

Starting point is 00:30:23 that whole theory is, hey, the Warren Report got it right. Everything they say generally is correct, except there was also a random accidental shot from the front. So my understanding is that it's supposed to be an accident, not like the driver did it on purpose. I don't think that just knowing what I know about the government and all these folks involved, I don't think that they would cover up something that was an accident. I think they would throw that person out of the bus. And also the military, if you believe that the Warren Report's wrong and there

Starting point is 00:30:56 were shots fired from the front, which regardless of which direction, you're signing up to believe that the autopsy is fraudulent, which means the military had to have been involved in some way. I don't think the military would involve themselves like that to cover up for a Secret Service agent. Well, what if- But I'll look at it. What if it isn't necessarily the military covering up, but a bunch of power players who are upset with things that Kennedy was doing on multiple fronts.

Starting point is 00:31:32 We're going to go deep back this one. Inside of the autopsy, there were generals there that were dictating what the doctors were supposed to do. So to your point, yeah, who knows who those generals were getting their orders from? Perhaps they were getting them from somewhere else. But I just, at a minimum, putting aside the Secret Service shooter, the rest of the Warren report's not right. I mean, Oswald wasn't some lone patsy. Oswald was an intelligence asset. So it doesn't fit with all the rest of the evidence, long story short. But I'll give it its due.

Starting point is 00:32:12 And I know I won't, I used to laugh that one off, but I know enough people are serious about that one that I am going to cover it next year. So when, let me ask you, you get into, you're studying this, and you're spending what seems to be an insane amount of time each week, 20 hours a week, that's at least a part-time job, right? A minimum part-time job of going deep into this. Where are you pulling your resources, your information from?

Starting point is 00:32:45 Good question. Well, there are a few key books that kind of point you in the right direction for the main evidence. So, my, I mean, there's the Warren Report itself, that's gotta be the starting point. And then there's, you know, the Posner book and the Buleosi book that kind of reinforced that from different angles. And then on the, by the way, I used to say conspiracy a lot more. I say Warren Report critic now.

Starting point is 00:33:15 And I kind of feel how you feel about it. Like, I kind of feel like it's a medal of honor. Like, I'm not, there's nothing, especially now, like, it's, you know, I mean, it's the whole thing of like, you know, conspiracy is just something that people say isn't true today and it's true in six months type of thing, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, where was I going with that? Sorry. Well, you were basically-

Starting point is 00:33:36 You got your research from your books. Oh, my research, the books. Yeah. So, there's a great, I mean, there's a lot of great books. JFK and the Unspeakable, James DiEugenio, who's a co-author of mine, and he's Oliver Stone's screenwriter. He's a co-author in JFK assassination show called book that I'm an author for, we'll talk about here in a little bit. But he did this great book right behind me, Reclaiming Parkland, oh, over this shoulder. And that one basically breaks down point by point, here's what, you know, Bouliosi says, here's the counterpoint. So,

Starting point is 00:34:14 that kind of, that book got me down the path of thinking counterpoint, because I thought it was so powerful to see those combined. And then once I've read, you know, once you get through like 10 books, then you're just in the documents. Like, at this point, I'm mostly just reading, you know, House Elect Committee assassination reports or AARB reports, AARB, Assassination Records Review Board reports. So the primary source evidence is what you ultimately want to land on, but the easiest way to get there is through books, and then there becomes a dispute. It will always come down to one thing. It always comes down to like, you know, well, what day did she say she saw the Cuban exiles and how can she prove that and whatever. So,

Starting point is 00:34:59 you always just want to get the primary evidence to the extent you can. Another book, while I'm mentioning books, Harvey and Lee is one of the best as well. It's very, very well researched. This guy spent several years of his life going to the National Archives for 30 days a year and just, you know, a month a year just doing nothing but going through documents, because there's a lot of documents in the National Archives that are not available online. And so, that's the best book, Harvey and Lee, for other resources. But I would say, someone starting today, this book right here, JFK Assassination Chokeholds, hey, hey, got a forward by Oliver Stone. Look at that. Pete Slauson That's your book?

Starting point is 00:35:40 Jared Slauson Yeah, that's me. That's my book. Pete Slauson Okay. Jared Slauson And our book covers the top ten greatest hits of conspiracies. Like, here are the things that we call it chokeholds because it's inescapable, things that inescapably prove there was a conspiracy. Now, we don't say, hey, it was, you know, a Cuban exile on the lawn or whoever. Like, we're not naming names, but we just have enough information to establish that the Warren Report did not get it correct. Pete Okay. So, I would like to go through your thoughts and I'd love to give my thoughts

Starting point is 00:36:16 on what I've learned doing this show and all that stuff. Jared Yeah. Pete I think there's a lot that involves in JFK, that involves in 9-11, that involves in so much of what we're dealing with, which to me is a secret cabal that is, Johnny mentioned it earlier, demoralization campaign, cult rituals. A lot of people think this is like a kill the king type ceremony.

Starting point is 00:36:49 You know, we had a bunch of elites, just like 9-11, fly in and witness the event. There's all this stuff going on. So let's just start from the beginning. So, JFK is having a lot of problems with a lot of people. Yeah. He turns instantly on the people who got him elected.

Starting point is 00:37:14 JFK was somebody who had a lot more belief in the seat of president at that time than maybe was healthy, right? Like the notion is I get in the president, I'm safe, I'm going to turn around and maybe start going after people that I'd made deals with, in particular the mafia. Sure. And the deals that were made in the mafia, do you have any thoughts on that? Well, you know, what you're saying is true, but the greater con, zooming out a little bit, Nixon was actually the mafia's candidate.

Starting point is 00:37:54 It's just in Chicago specifically, JFK's relationship with Giancana sort of put, you know, he was the mafia favorite in Chicago. But, you know, it's hard to say ultimately, you know, what level of mafia involvement there was. But I know, you know, when JFK gets in, his brother starts a campaign to go after the mafia later. So, there's a couple of things that happen with the mafia. And let's just zooming back a little bit, if you want to go super deep, Richard Nixon is the one who started the whole relationship with the mafia in 1960. He reached out, it maybe was 59, but towards the end of when he was vice

Starting point is 00:38:42 president under Eisenhower, he reached out to Mayhew, who I forget the guy's first name, but he was Howard Hughes' right-hand man. And Mayhew connected the CIA with the mafia for the purpose of working on these Cuban operations together. And what's hilarious is Kennedy and Nixon, they have the debate, and Kennedy's given him a hard time about being so soft on Cuba. But the reality is that Nixon had an invasion scheduled. They were getting ready for the Bay of Pigs and they were going to invade as soon as the election was over. But Nixon

Starting point is 00:39:18 couldn't sound too hawkish because he didn't want to kind you know, kind of give it away. So, Kennedy had many people that hated him. And the other thing on the mafia, they had, some of them, Santos Trabacante in particular, had casinos in Havana. And so, there's a combination of, hey, you should treat the mafia generally, you should treat us well. And then the second thing is you got to help us get our casino back. And if you're trying to make peace with Castro, that sounds like I'm not getting my casino back. So, there was that on the mafia side as well. Yeah, you know, the mafia, you know, worked with JFK, his dad. after the double cross, many believe that the mafia had put a hit on JFK's dad. I've read this book called Final Judgment, the missing link in the JFK assassination conspiracy. Have you read that? Is that Mantic? That is Michael Colin Piper. Okay, okay, that's the Israel one, yeah?

Starting point is 00:40:25 Yeah, but there's a lot of discussion into that there was a lot of stuff going on. It wasn't even just that he sicked his brother on the mob, but it was also that they wanted, as you said earlier, wanted their casinos back. And when that didn't happen, they got very upset and they reached out to a lot of people. So there's a bunch of, like, you got the mob,

Starting point is 00:40:53 you got the CIA, you had the Dulles brothers who despised JFK, am I wrong on that? They were conspiring and- Well, Allen in particular, I mean, he was fired. JFK fired Allen Dulles and his two top deputies, Richard Bissell and Charles Cabell. Which is super interesting with Trump right now. Like if you really believe that it's not theater, and let's for a second act like it's not theater, right?

Starting point is 00:41:28 Like, is he dancing a dangerous dance? Well, the first thing that needs to happen for the Trump, the Butler PA attempt is there needs to be an official report so that we can have a starting point. If you don't have an official report, you don't even have anything to start from. So, they did something really, really preliminary that is not very in depth. So, Trump talked about, with RFK Jr., he talked about creating a new commission to reinvestigate JFK, RFK, and the Butler attempts. So hopefully, you know, he does that. And by the way, I'm lobbying to be on that commission or even to be a staff attorney for it. So anyone who's staffing that hit me up. I'm happy to serve. So, so, so why do you think

Starting point is 00:42:17 Trump did want to put out the JFK files? I think he was told that he couldn't. I think that he was told that it would be very damaging. That people are still alive that were involved with it? Maybe. I mean, it's possible that people are still alive that are involved with it. I think it's more likely that it will clearly establish that Oswald was a CIA asset. Now, I don't know what documents still exist. I doubt there's a document that was like, we did it. Remember that one time we killed JFK? That was super cool. I don't think they're going to have that. But yeah, I think the documents would reveal CIA involvement, not necessarily in the assassination, but with Oswald. They would show that he was an asset. Like, for example,

Starting point is 00:43:02 there was 181 pages, 181 page dossier that the CIA had on Oswald the day before the assassination. Pretty weird that they have that many documents about him if they're not tracking him. And yeah, I want to talk about Popov's mole before we leave, because that's sort of the headline. Pete Slauson We'll get into that for sure. Jared Slauson That's the most exciting thing I've found out in the last five years. Pete Slauson I'm in, I years I'm in so a very interesting thing

Starting point is 00:43:26 the the the Warren Commission was um John Barber's come on talked uh see I uh talked a lot about um the JFK assassination uh he worked with the attorney what's his name Gersh Gershon Gershon what is the name of the guy out of Louisiana that was like Garrison he worked with him a lot had a lot of conversations with him Garrison was very interesting but there was a guy on the Warren Commission that did not buy the official story and one day he goes to the airport and they never hear from him again Hale Boggs, is that what you're talking about? I think it might be him but what's interesting about that is who drove him to the airport Do you ever hear? Who? Do you know who drove him to the airport? No Bill Clinton

Starting point is 00:44:16 Ah No, yeah, you should interview John Barber I would love to turn you on to two people to interview for your stuff that might blow your mind. Yeah, John Barber. Yeah, because Hale Boggs plane crashed in Alaska. That's something. No, that's very interesting. Well, Bill Clinton has the whole MENA Arkansas. There's a great documentary online about how they were just straight up laundering money from the MENA operation through the Arkansas Treasury.

Starting point is 00:44:46 Yeah, that's why that whole election between George Bush and Bill Clinton was just laughable because they wanted to act like they were going at it when in reality it was like they win whoever got elected. I just don't think George Bush wanted to be president anymore. I think it was kind of over. It's like, ah, you know, why, why I could just write as much done here. Yeah. I just run anything from home. Ross Perot gave him some complications too.

Starting point is 00:45:11 Yeah. Yeah. So Ross Perot, if you watched that, that, that debate won that debate. Absolutely. No doubt. Just there, you know, who came in last, Bill Clinton. It wasn't even close. He looks like a deer in a headlight. You have the old lizard person answering the questions. And like, if you study George Bush, like, it's like, God bless the internet because we've been able to learn so much because of the internet. Like the way they painted, it's so funny. Everything's an inversion with the news. He's a wimp. Dude, George Bush is a wimp. What a wimp he is.

Starting point is 00:45:45 Bro, that guy is the most dangerous of dangerous out there. One of the most dangerous people to ever walk the planet, dude. My theory on Bush is that he's such a blood-soaked monster in his day-to-day life that like, what if he actually was a really nice guy? You know what I mean? Like just from a psychotic level. Pete Slauson Maybe in an American psycho kind of way where it's like, hi, yeah. Hi!

Starting point is 00:46:12 Jared Slauson I dated this girl in high school whose grandpa was the mayor of our town, Strongsville, Ohio. And he helped Bush, he helped get the permitting for Bush to do this big speech in the town square in 1992 and Bush became friends with them ten years later. The Bush is invited my ex-girlfriend's Grandparents to come stay with them for the weekend and Kenny Bunkport Isn't that crazy? Just like wonderful. So so anyway Monster in my view, but yeah. Remember that SNL bit where

Starting point is 00:46:52 Reagan, you see him talking to people like, Hey, everybody. And then he gets behind you. I think that's probably what Bush was like, you know, to most people. Yeah. He was completely, I mean like affable, you know, benign. So I was on Rogan. Slitting throats behind. Yeah. When I was on Rogan. I told him I sometimes I think Rogan does me Does me nice? By acting like he doesn't know what I'm talking about sometimes right and I'm sure there's been like a couple of those which is okay I appreciate the love. Thank you But you know when we talked about Hinkley and the shooting like people don't realize that the the the Reagan shooting almost happens right after he's elected like

Starting point is 00:47:30 And then then there's that famous photo of like George Bush and all the other lizards in in the airplane smoking a cigarette waiting to hear if if Reagan survives and Then Reagan has to work with the guy that probably knows trying to take him out. Like that is crazy shit. Well, and then what Hinkley's brother was having dinner with George HW Bush's brother that the night before or something night before. Yeah. And then you got yeah. And then you've got a, uh, what's that book? Um, catcher in the r's that book? Catcher in the Rye. He had Catcher in the Rye at his hotel. Catcher in the Rye is the same book that was, it was common in MKUltra stuff, theoretically,

Starting point is 00:48:14 I guess, allegedly, that was also found by Mark David Chapman. By the way, there's a great book on the John Lennon assassination. It's called The Assassination of John Lennon assassination. It's called the assassination of John Lennon. And I recommend people checking that out. There's this guy, David Wayland's put together some pretty good research on that. Jared Sussman There's something strange just in the aftermath of the John Lennon shooting, too. The guy that purported to be the doctor that operated on him, and I can't remember his name, but Rosen perhaps, and who did all the press afterward, we just found out just a few years ago had nothing, he wasn't even in the room.

Starting point is 00:48:52 By the actual doctor who did all the work, and he just didn't want to embarrass the guy for all these years, but the guy, and he was the guy who did all the interviews for decades. Any documentary you find about the death of John Lennon, he's like I held his heart in my hands heart massage he wasn't in the room he they called him in much later and he did talking head stuff you know for decades on just on that which is I mean that's suspicious hey dude yeah I'm with you it's only suspicious if you think humans only are good and yeah only tell the truth that's suspect if you're in our seats, we're like, of course. Did you guys read Catcher in the Rye?

Starting point is 00:49:28 Yeah, I read it in school. Isn't it weird that you read it in high school when it makes people kill people? Like, I was reading in high school. I thought it was weird, like, are you really trying to get us to kill people? Like, read this by reading it. Yes, they are. That's what I just figured out. That's what they were trying to do. Let's see which one of these idiots commits a crime while reading this book again.

Starting point is 00:49:44 Yeah, I mean, like, everything's data. Just figured out. That's what they were trying to do. Let's see which one of these idiots commits a crime while reading this book again Yeah, I mean like everything's data. Everything is data, but going back to all this I forget what what well, yeah that they the driver that brought the guy who died in a plane crash Oh, yeah was Bill Clinton I mean he was that connected and you know you get into Bill Clinton and all the stuff that happened him at Oxford Like he got he got a sexual assault case out the gate And dude that guy could not stop that guy was the andy dick of the white house just Always wanted to hump something dude. That's what starts it all in the beginning of your career

Starting point is 00:50:18 You fuck up and after that they got you by the balls. Yeah, p diddy So I guarantee you if you study Jeffrey Epstein Something happens early that they realize this is the guy Something happened and no one's talking about well, yeah, he he went his uh, what's the guy's name that Bars father hard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah something happens that he gets hired there because he wasn't a teacher So why did they hire him there? Something before that happened. What if he was already recording people at that moment and that's how he got in the school I got this video of you don't let me be a teacher. I mean, we don't know how deep that goes

Starting point is 00:50:57 But you say you must know something kicks off that he's doing that Something kicks that off that he's gonna blackmail people. What is it? How is it? Why is he there? And why are they writing articles already on him? Eligible bachelor. You're like so strange. Why is that? Why is the guy that owns all these empires of clothing and fashion just handing him stuff left and right? It's crazy, dude. And we'll get into some of my theories on that. Hey guys, real quick, everyone's grinding hard and guess what that means. You get tired and you need to take a nappy nap. Okay. I love nappy naps and that's why my mattress is very important to me.

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Starting point is 00:53:59 You remember during the war, leading up to Iraq one, or not George Bush's Iraq, but I think it was the after 9-11 Iraq, where the one Minnesota senator who was anti-war- Wellstone. Suddenly his family dies in a plane crash. Paul Wellstone. Come on, dog. If you're anti-war, don't get in a plane!

Starting point is 00:54:21 Witnesses saw the FBI evidence truck there at the scene of the crime, like, immediately. Jared Slauson Yeah, you shouldn't get there. Pete Slauson Maybe they're just really efficient. Jared Slauson If you're in the FBI, don't get there before the plane crashes, okay? Pete Slauson 100%. Jared Slauson At least wait a couple hours.

Starting point is 00:54:34 Pete Slauson Where have we seen that before? Or after the Vegas shooting? They were right there. Pete Slauson There were two people actually that were killed. It was Wellstone, or no, Wellstone was killed in a plane crash. The two people that had anthrax sent to them were the only two people that were against the Patriot Act. Pete Slauson Yep, you're totally right.

Starting point is 00:54:58 100%. And then they go back, like, this guy kills himself, they blame everybody. And then they find out the only place that made Anthrax in the country was a military base, I think in Utah or New Mexico, one or the other. Uh-huh. And this is- Yeah, and then the guy that they said did it, of course, commits suicide right before trial. Okay. Yeah, how convenient is that?

Starting point is 00:55:20 So it's fun when you tell people, you know, the official Wikipedia position on anthrax is that it was an inside job, a rogue inside job, but an inside job nonetheless. Yeah. Well, 100% and how like everybody, the Bush administration was already taking the antibodies to fight anthrax like a month before it came out. And you can't, if you didn't live through it, it's hard to explain how big of a deal that was at the time This the anthrax threats and stuff. It was such I mean that they played they you know, they really Can you look up when the anthrax thing came out and when did the unibomber thing come out? Because what a great smoke screen to get people to stop talking about anthrax and focusing on well

Starting point is 00:56:01 The unibomber would have been well before that. Really? Okay. I was wrong. Yeah, it was before. Do you think if someone would have sent me like an anthrax in the mail and I'm wearing my mask, my COVID mask, you think that would have stopped the anthrax from killing me? No. Unibarra was 78 to 95, and then anthrax was after 9-11. Yeah, it was after 9-11, yeah. My bad. Trying to make connections that aren't there. Thank you. If you sit down at a restaurant, the anthrax wouldn't hurt you though. It would just go over your head just like COVID. Yeah, there we go. You get it. So I really love, you know, we've had a lot of people on the show talking about, I love JFK, I could talk about forever. Oli Demigard, he has a theory that Oswald realized he's being set up at some point.

Starting point is 00:56:47 And according to Oli, he thinks he tries to stop it, which I think it's impossible at that point. But the story of JFK is like, people are so naive right there. And they didn't think to question the narrative, right? Maybe they did. That's why't think to question the narrative, right? Maybe they did, that's why they came up with the COVID thing. But so you just assassinate the president. Think about the story that they sell us. You just assassinate the president so you stop to catch a movie before you go. Does that make any, in any, any world, does that make

Starting point is 00:57:24 any sense? Pete Slauson Well, and what is Oswald doing at the theater? They only interviewed two people. There's not a, you know, there's not a list of witnesses that were at the theater, isn't that something? And only a couple people were interviewed, and I don't recall if it was by the Warren Commission or just by authors after the fact. But those who were interviewed said that Oswald went around, there were about eight people in the theater in the matinee, and he went behind them and basically tried to see, like, it looked like he was looking for the person he was supposed to meet. And, you

Starting point is 00:57:56 know, meeting in theaters, supposedly, is, you know, a spycraft tool that's used. So, yeah, it's crazy what he does, but certainly his behavior isn't someone that's innocent. It's someone who, because if you're innocent, you wouldn't necessarily run away like that. So, I get that argument, but he's an asset. He's intelligence. And did he find out about it early? I mean, I would be open to that. I don't, that's a big, that's a question to me. Like, what was his mindset at the time? But, Pete Slauson Are you into the two Oswald theory? I know you kind of mentioned it earlier. Are you open-minded to that? John Sussman Yes. John Armstrong is the sort of main proponent of the two Oswald theory. But let me just say, Oswald was impersonated.

Starting point is 00:58:49 It's indisputable. That's actually one of the chapters I wrote for the JFK assassination Chocolds. Pete Slauson Chocolds! Pete Slauson! Pete Slauson But, yeah, he's impersonated, I want to say, 27 documented times. When I say documented, I mean, there is either, you know, a record of Oswald being at work or multiple witnesses say that he was with his wife and kids or whatever, while at the same time, there's somebody who looks like Oswald is saying,

Starting point is 00:59:18 hey, my name is Lee Oswald, and then is saying facts about Oswald. Like, oh, you know, hey, boy, I don't want to have to go get a car in the Soviet Union if you don't give me a good deal. Or, well, hey, I just got back from Mexico. You know, like, he just says all these random things. Just laying down breadcrumbs to lead back to him. Right. So, it looks like what's happening is they're trying to make him look guilty, but these people that are taking these actions to make him look guilty, but these people that are taking these actions to make him look guilty, and also shooting at the rifle range the few days before the assassination,

Starting point is 00:59:51 that was determined that that could not have been Oswald. So the official story is that he had zero rifle practice whatsoever around the time of the assassination. Yeah, there's a lot of ways to go. It's super interesting. Then you get into these masks that the intelligence agencies have and who knows how long they've had it. Putting on masks, they leave a trail. I'm going to be honest with you. I don't believe any of the 9-11 story. In particular, that these guys were all at fucking strip bars and all. Yeah. I think that is just laying down a story that they could tell us later on that those guys that the, oh, they were at this strip bar. They were, oh, they were cool.

Starting point is 01:00:34 They were just hanging out and they interviewing stripper. Oh my God. They love, they love lap dances, whatever. They love cocaine, all that. So I think that's just smoke screen to lay down a story so that we don't know what the official story is. You're still on the, it was drones, right? At least to people.

Starting point is 01:00:50 No, I think it's multi-layered and we can get into that another time, but I don't buy any of the flying the planes and these guys who couldn't even land small planes were pulling Luke Skywalker bullshit. Like Death Star. Yeah. I mean, yeah, back to the onion peel theory, I didn't get to the 9-11 side of it. So, okay, 9-11, the equivalent of Oswald did it alone is the 19 hijackers did it. That's the official story. The Mexico City story slash the Soviets are the real conspirators story. That's where Saudi Arabia comes in. Hey, if

Starting point is 01:01:26 you want to know what really happened, shh, don't tell anybody, but yes, it was the Saudis and you understand. We want the Saudis to keep being good to us and oil and most importantly, we want them to keep the petrodollar going, which they're off of that now, so that's no longer there. But, and then, you know, then the question is, well, what's the true thing on the inside? You know, what's the true thing on the inside? I try not to go too deep into 9-11 because I just really don't want to speak. My whole thing is, if I make a claim- You still want to lose your mind? I'm extremely documented with everything on it and I go super deep. But here's what I would say.

Starting point is 01:01:59 The two places I would start are insider trading. So all this insider trading, right before 9-11 on airplanes, I believe it was, the 9-11 commission looked at it and said, yeah, that was irregular trading, but none of the hijackers did it, so we didn't look into it. That's the 9-11 commission's view, insane. And then the other thing I would, so I think the insider training, there's no dispute on that it happened, but no one's really hunted that down. And then the other thing is, you know, the University of Alaska did, the engineering department did a study on WTC 7 to see whether or not it was a controlled demolition and they concluded that in fact

Starting point is 01:02:45 was a controlled demolition, I would like to see another university do a critique of that study and show why that study is wrong. I think, you know, the fact that no one has done a counterpoint to that, I think, is a challenge if you're going to believe that WTCtc7 at least was not a controlled demolition super interesting super interesting so I often talk about whenever I'm on a show about how When Jay there's a lot going on the sub pruder film comes out ten years later I think Geraldo Rivera and

Starting point is 01:03:29 Dick Gregory. Think about that. Think about that. Someone's like, okay, we're going to have, we're going to have Tim Dillon, Tim Dillon and Kat Williams release, release videos from, from the Vegas shooting to America. Think about what that is. I mean, how many times Greg Giraldo was involved with some shady ass shit like, No, that'd be funny. Greg Giraldo is like, before he became a roaster. Um, no, uh, Greg Geraldo. You're right Um, heraldo reverie. Yeah, there we go. Heraldo reverie even with you. Um, You know, he's involved with ruby ridge and misinformation with that He said he got shot at when people on the plane goes that's never that bullshit Yeah, yeah

Starting point is 01:04:20 But so they they come out and they release this and it comes out 10 years later And then you find out that supruder was a 33 a level 33 Freemason Super interesting. Why do you think they let him release it? because He was the one they chose They they they did You're talking about well, so there's the Zapruder film being shown on Geraldo, that was, it

Starting point is 01:04:48 was Dick Gregory, but he was with Robert Groton. Oh, really? Robert Groton? Yeah. Well, not the Robert, not the actor, but he was a photo tech, basically. And he had been working on the film itself. So he was a technical guy whose job it was to work on film, and he just made a copy for himself and showed it.

Starting point is 01:05:13 I don't believe he actually got permission and he risked getting in a lot of trouble, but it was too big in the public interest for him to get in trouble for showing it live. Johnny, it literally says the Zapruder film is shown on Good Night with Geraldo Rivera. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:05:33 What are you looking at me for? Oh, I thought you said that. That was him. Oh, okay. My apologies. Sorry about that, bud. Yeah, I mean, I think it's just so fucking weird, dude. No, I was talking about you saying Greg Giraldo.

Starting point is 01:05:43 Oh, yeah, yeah. It wasn't Greg Giraldo. Rest in peace. Even though I was talking about you saying Greg Giroldo. Oh, yeah, yeah, it wasn't Greg Giroldo, rest in peace, even though I had a great roast joke about him. Anyways, the point is, so we get into this, do you ever study the film and how weird the film is? We've had a lot of people come on. It gets really, that whole thing gets really weird, right? Because when he lands in Dallas, he's like the Beatles, right?

Starting point is 01:06:04 It's like an insane crowd. And then as the shot come, there's lands in Dallas, he's like the Beatles. It's like an insane crowd. And then as the shot come, there's nobody in the, there's very few people, except for the Babushka lady, who people think is a Madeline Rothschild or whatever her name is, has the same smile as her, but it's really weird how there's nobody on the lawn. Very few people, down to like three or four. Yeah, I think the police were trying to keep a lot of people out of Dealey Plaza, but that's

Starting point is 01:06:34 anecdotal. I don't have a site for that at the top of my head. I mean, on this repruter film itself, I ended up landing on inconclusive for whether or not it had been doctored. When you just look at the film, it looks like he's the right side of his head, like there's a flap that kind of comes open. And we don't see what we would expect to see in either argument, right? If it's from the back, you would expect the front of his head to blow out and there'd be a bunch of blood matter going to the front, not the side. And if it's from the back, you would expect the front of his head to blow out and there'd be a bunch of blood matter

Starting point is 01:07:05 going to the front, not the side. And if it's from the front, you would expect the back of his head to blow out. So the fact that you don't see that big blood spatter on the back of his head, that's the kind of, you know, it might be altered also. And then when you look at it, it looks like it's just marker. It looks like it's black sharpie over the back of it. So now I'm not real good at trusting my eyes to assess film because it just seems too subjective to me. Robert Groton, the guy that showed it on Geraldo with Dick Gregory, he swears up and down that the one that we have is the official one and it wasn't doctored. There's a whole documentary on YouTube, this guy Doug Horn, who's one of the deepest, best

Starting point is 01:07:52 researchers on the conspiracy side of things. He basically takes the position that it went to this place called Hawkeye Works in Rochester, which was the bet, like the top secret photo lab and, you know, the best one in the world and they could do this kind of thing. And there were two different films that were, it's a whole long complex story, but there's enough evidence to potentially believe that, that it was doctored. There's literally evidence for that, but there are counterpoints too. So I landed on inconclusive on that one. There's like ten frames missing That's what they they like. There's a jump in where they go. It just Johnny Can you bring up the superior film? Can we watch it for two seconds and be like?

Starting point is 01:08:36 See it. Yes. Yeah, does he have to do it or you can either? I'll do They have some impressive AI Enhancements of it too. Let me see if I can pull on I love I'm sorry AI is great Do you see where they had the ring girl from Jake Paul's fight and making out with herself? Yeah, no making out with uh, yeah, what's her name? Sydney Sweeney? Yeah I mean, that was a great time, you know how you they're putting it back They're putting into the media you got Kim Kardashian doing Photoshop with this AI that aliens. Yeah with Tesla. This is in prop. Okay No, this is stabilizing enhanced. So okay, it's possible that they have patched over any missing frames

Starting point is 01:09:12 Okay So there's a jump when he goes around here people think there's a jump, right? Okay. He's been hit Look how empty okay, go back Johnny. There's just weird shit. You can jump in anytime you want Matt um uh We look how busy it is. You're still with us, right man, matt. Are you there? Can you see it? We lost you. Yeah, I can see it. Look how busy it is. Look how busy it is and then It just gets empty. All right, I mean that is the the grass and they're kind of on the way out at that point.

Starting point is 01:09:46 Jared- Right? Matt- They're heading toward the overpass. Jared- Yeah, he had been shot at least once by this point. But see how that's the top right? And when I watched the Parkland doctors talk about this, they said that that's consistent with him being shot from the front if it's on the side, and basically the bullet would have made that part of the bone flap out like that if it was coming from the front. So, yeah, I mean, the Zapruder film is tough and it's potentially, if it's authentic, I mean, to me, it doesn't prove, it's not great for either side because

Starting point is 01:10:23 it doesn't prove either side. I will say the blood spatter, so you don't see this in the Sputer film, but you see these cops behind him? They're in a V formation. These two cops that we can see that are on the left right now, the one who ended up being more in front, the entire right side of his uniform and his helmet was covered in blood and brain matter. Okay? And the left side too. So, the guy in the front, his whole body is covered in blood and brain matter. The guy in the back left, only his left side is covered in blood and brain matter. So, he's kind of in the shadow of the first guy. The people who are back on the other side are not covered in blood and brain matter from the other the other side So that tells me that's very consistent with a grassy knoll shot

Starting point is 01:11:09 And then what is what's Jackie do here? She gets on the back of the thing. He's doing right there He's like what the fuck just happened So interesting dude, I think he's talking about the driver so you can't see Sam Yeah, I'm just pointing and thinking you know know, I'm talking to but go back Johnny That could be think look at this. That could just be the reflection off the other guy in the front head Look at that watch Possible, but I mean something there's already look they're all looking back at this point because he's been shot already Right there like what's going on with JFK? Jackie's already reacting at

Starting point is 01:11:46 this point right here. There's a disturbance. Now do you see, see the, the lady in the black there, she had a camera. Yeah. Her, her, her, her pictures were taken. They gave her one picture back and the rest of them they kept. And she took the, at the moment of the, and what did she ever say? No, they, they took them and destroyed them and the rest of them they kept. And she took the, at the moment of the- And what did she ever say? Have you seen those? No, they took them and destroyed them and didn't give them back to her. Destroyed them? Yes.

Starting point is 01:12:11 Do you think they're destroyed or do you think they're just in a bin, the X-files? I think they're destroyed. I think the FBI was trying to make sure that, I think, so like, it's hard to understand this case until you understand that everybody thinks that if you follow the evidence in a fair, logical way, it's going to lead to nuclear war. Once you realize that the regular nine to five employees of the FBI, they were told like, look, don't be a hero because you're going to get us all killed. And if you believe that, then it makes a lot more sense. Yeah, it does. Now, more sense. Yeah, it does.

Starting point is 01:12:45 Now, let's, yeah, go ahead. Have you ever said what happened to many of the witnesses? Like how many of them died? Yeah. Well, the whole thing on that is when you zoom into it, I mean, so the number is not possible sort of from a, from a statistic standpoint. It's totally implausible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the counterpoint is when you zoom into each individual one, a lot of them are like car accidents, a lot of heart attacks. So, it's like, you kind of have to go point by point. I doubt all of those were them killing witnesses. I think a lot of them were. I do

Starting point is 01:13:23 think they killed a lot of those witnesses for sure, yes, you know, and I'll cover that too. You know, so I have a receipt for it. But I will say that the heart attack ones, man, you know, as soon as they showed that heart attack gun and the church committee hearing, I don't know if you've seen that picture, they're holding up the heart attack gun, they have a gun that makes it look like people died of a heart attack. You think they never used it? For sure, dude. For sure. It's, I mean, so, so when I brought up that other book, do you have any opinions on the final judgment book, the missing link and it's, it's, it's believed that Meyer Lansky, the National Crime Syndicate, which Meyer Lansky was quite Zionist, had something to do with it. Is this an uncomfortable conversation? If it is, we don't have to get into it, but...

Starting point is 01:14:16 Man, I don't believe in uncomfortable conversations. Oh, I love it. So, I mean, so documents just came out that the head of the IDF was in Dallas that day. Pete Slauson Wow. I haven't, I haven't gone down that road. I mean, I can tell you that like, at every assassination conference I've been to, been to be going to my fourth one here in a couple days in Dallas. Pete Slauson I want to go to an assassination conference. Jared Slauson I didn't know that existed. Pete Slauson Come hang out. It's this weekend in Dallas.

Starting point is 01:14:42 There's two of them. Jared Slauson Oh, come on, man. Can we get on an email list so we can go check it out? How do we find these out? Pretty much every year around the 22nd, it's in Dallas. Lancer, Kappa is another one. There's another one called, I forget what the other one's called, but yeah. Sorry, I lost my train of thought again. We were discussing, are you comfortable with the possibilities of Israel's involvement, which I believe they were one of the many players? Sure. Like, you know, I haven't done the deep dive on that yet, but what I was saying is every

Starting point is 01:15:21 year at a conference, there's always a guy that comes, there's always like Israel guy there. And he comes forward, then he's like hammering his point home. And a lot of people, to your point, reflexively shut him out. They're like, no, no, no, they start booing him and stuff like that. But it's like, well, the reason he feels like he has to do that is because these guys are not listening to his point. So I want to give it a hearing. I'm going to dive into it. I think it's certainly, you know, JFK was trying to stop them from getting a

Starting point is 01:15:50 nuclear weapon. You should read the book. It is insanely thrilling to, I mean, and I'm not the biggest reader and I'm like, this is nuts. And it's like all the receipts of okay You know, yeah, Linda Johnson is like he's a super interesting guy because he's the president that during the during the USS Liberty attack. He's the one who basically is like yeah, you don't got to worry about you're good Which sets of presidents for kind of how it goes, but you're getting the Meyer Lansky, his role in the law stuff. He had a lot. He was the mob. He wanted Cuba, you know, JFK's stance on Israel was he wanted to make an APAC, which I can't believe that this is an insane idea. A foreign lobbyist group. I mean, like, it's interesting, dude. It's super interesting, man. There's a lot of reasons.

Starting point is 01:16:50 Pete Slauson I think it's quite like my guess, if I had to guess on it right now. I think it's quite likely that folks connected with the state of Israel wanted Kennedy dead. That would make sense to me. And they may have even provided, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if there's some sort of tangential support role or something like that. I mean, I'll look at the evidence that exists. But I don't think they can be the quarterback of it or the thing that got it started, just because going back to all the rest of the evidence and going back to the autopsy control. I mean, the autopsy was, either Oswald did it alone, or the autopsy was radically doctored. And that's a naval autopsy. So, you're talking about the Department of the Navy. Yeah, sure,

Starting point is 01:17:37 maybe they could have spies that infiltrate the Navy, etc. But that to me is why I just think But that to me is why I just think the military has to be central to it somehow, or some people in the military, if not as an institution. I think- And we know the generals hated him so much, is the other thing you said. I think it's possible for all those to conspire together. Yes. Because so much of Israel is involved with the military industrial complex, whether it's making arms, selling arms, buying arms, all that stuff.

Starting point is 01:18:11 So I think they all conspired together in a what Johnny brought up earlier, which could definitely be a demoralization campaign to think that nobody's above us. And it's interesting to me, dude. It's super interesting. You know, have you ever heard the Lyndon B. Johnson call with, what is that, dude? On, with JFK's wife, why can't I remember her name right now? Jackie Onassis.

Starting point is 01:18:42 Have you heard that call? It is really weird. It's really weird. Like they're laughing and this isn't that long after the assassination. They're giddy, they're laughing, they're almost flirting with each other. But that's not possible because Lyndon B. Johnson was gay. Do you want? Really? Do you really yeah, I think I think a lot of our presidents were sexually compromised for sure well

Starting point is 01:19:10 Everybody yeah, I have some do you want to hear the I have to call? We hear the call can we hear the car which one you're referring to there are a few apparently but Did you recognize any of these um? Let's just try this and this one looks like it would have been not long after the give an ad here enough your ads I know we do ads but you guys don't do ads on us I'm just not logged into my account okay after we get through this I gotta I gotta make sure I hit you with pop-off and Carl Mather. Those are the two I gotta hit you with. Johnny, we can't hear it.

Starting point is 01:19:51 What day is he killed? November 22nd. and so many and so much. I'm one of them. I tried, I didn't dare bother you again, but I got Kenny O'Donnell over here to give you a message, if he ever saw you. Did he give to you yet? About my letter that was waiting for me last night? What's waiting for you now?

Starting point is 01:20:18 First thing you got on it, you got something to learn. And one of them is that you don't bother me. You give me strength. But I wasn't going to send you any one more letter. I was just standing there. Don't send me anything. You just come over and put your arm around me. That's all you do. When you haven't got anything else to do, let's take a walk. Let's walk around the backyard. Let me tell you how much you mean to all of us.

Starting point is 01:20:41 He wants a photo op. And how we can carry on if you give us a little space. Do you know what I want to say to you about that letter? I know how rare a letter is in a president's handwriting. Do you know that I've got more in your handwriting than I do in Jack's now? No, what letter? And for you to write it at this time and then to send me that thing today of, you know, the tape announcement and everything? I want you to just know this that I told my mama a long time ago when everybody else gave up about my election in 48, my mother

Starting point is 01:21:12 and my wife and my sisters and me females got a lot of courage that we men don't have and so we have to rely on you and depend on you and you've got something to do. You got the president relying on you. That's not the president. That's so strange. What a different time. So you're not running around with a good many presidents. So you just, you get bad at mind. You got the biggest job in your life.

Starting point is 01:21:33 What a crazy, she's laughing? I guess we can't, here Johnny, stop it. I, we can't really determine how people react to trauma. You know, when I'm getting choked out in jujitsu, I'm laughing. You're certain she knows? Well, she knows her husband got shot in the head. No, but I mean, you're certain she thinks that he's, I don't, I don't. Okay. So get into, let's hear your things. Then we're going to end with me ask you one more question that we've had people on here, but get into your, what do you want to talk about?

Starting point is 01:22:08 Pete Slauson Yeah, just real quick, I want to tell you the story of Popov's mole. Okay. So, there's been this big dispute in the JFK assassination, you know, Oswald goes to the Soviet Union. Why did he go to the Soviet Union? Was he a false defector? Like, you know, did the CIA send him there?

Starting point is 01:22:24 What's he doing over there? As I studied this, there's a lot of information that makes it seems like it's too much to be a coincidence in terms of how he gets there. He stays at the fanciest hotel in Helsinki, and he stays there for five nights. It's like a five-star hotel where kings and queens stay. Helsinki and he stays there for five nights. It's like a five-star hotel where kings and queens stay. And then he stays in another hotel that's super fancy. And he didn't have any money. So how's he staying at these hotels and why is he picking the fanciest ones? And then it's generally, it takes weeks, sometimes longer to get a Soviet visa, Oswald got approved overnight for a Soviet visa. And Helsinki was the only place in the world where you could get overnight approval.

Starting point is 01:23:11 And incidentally, there's a State Department memo talking about that, like the day before he went there. Okay. And there's all these other things that happen. I covered it in my podcast. But so to me, it kind of looked like, looks like he's CIA, but I can't prove it. I don't have the smoking gun. Okay, so now there is the smoking gun and it's Popov's mole. Here's that story. Classic spy game, Cold War stuff. We have a Soviet defector in place in the KGB named Peter Popov, and he's in the Soviet Union, and he's basically giving us secrets in exchange

Starting point is 01:23:54 for money. And, you know, towards the end of his life, before he got caught by the KGB and executed, he told the CIA, his CIA contact, hey, listen, you got somebody inside the CIA that works for KGB because we know everything about the U-2 spy plane. And then, so, right after that, Popov was discovered and he was executed by the KGB. But that then led to the CIA going on this deep mole hunt to try to find who is the KGB mole at the top of the CIA? Well, it turns it out that, so they use this, what they try to do is send bait over to the Soviet Union,

Starting point is 01:24:37 somebody who had knowledge of the U-2 spy plane, okay? And the idea is that person would then try to defect to the Soviet Union. And then when the KGB talks to him, they want to find out, is this guy legit? They're going to ask their mole inside the CIA. That mole will then go looking for information on this, you know, person, the bait. And then when they do, they will reveal themselves to be the mole because they're looking for information on this, on, you know, the bait. Well, in this case, the bait was Lee Harvey Oswald, okay? He went to the Soviet Union as bait to smoke out a false defector, okay? Now here's where it gets more fun.

Starting point is 01:25:20 How do we know this? Well, we know it because there are numerous files, I believe 17, where Oswald's file goes straight to the Office of Security, and in particular, the Special Investigations Group, which is the office that uncovered moles. Okay? So, what's really interesting about that is his mail should have gone, not mail, but any documents on Oswald within the CIA, they should have gone to the Soviet Russia division. If it was, the CIA is watching him because, hey, this is an American who defected, we gotta keep an eye on him, he might work against us in the future. If that's the case,

Starting point is 01:26:00 his file will be in the Soviet Russia division. We know this because the Hussle-Letz Committee on Assassinations interviewed the people responsible for file routing at the case, his file will be in the Soviet Russia division. We know this because the Hussle-Letz Committee on Assassinations interviewed the people responsible for file routing at the CIA, and they told us all this. Well, Oswald's file is going straight to the Office of Security, so that when somebody in the Soviet Russia division, which that's where they thought the mole was, when that person wants to go ask for information about Oswald, they would have to go to the Office of Security and sign out the file, which would then prove that they were the ones who was the mole. So this guy, Pete Bagley, was the one who was responsible for, he was kind of the top

Starting point is 01:26:37 counterintelligence guy that was working on the mole hunt, along with his boss, Bruce Soley. And a JFK researcher named Malcolm Blunt took Pete Bagley all these files, all these Oswald files going straight to the Office of Security, and it blew Bagley's mind. He didn't know about it. And he goes, this proves definitively without question Oswald was a knowing false defector. So, yeah, that's pretty crazy. So, did anyone ever come get the files? Well, here we go. You ready for this? Here's the headline.

Starting point is 01:27:07 Turns out, Pete Bagley, after the Cold War is over, the Soviet Union falls. They had like a reunion of all the KGB CIA officers that worked against each other in the Cold War. Okay, it was somewhere in Germany. And Bagley goes and talks to his counterpart in the KGB, this guy that was higher up in counterintelligence than the KGB. And Bagley asked him, he goes, hey, I noticed that you came to United States a couple of times, but we never could figure out why you were coming to the United States. And the high KGB guy tells Bagley, well, it

Starting point is 01:27:42 was to meet with our mole inside the CIA who you never found. And so, the guy was undiscovered with this guy, John Newman, in his book that came out in 2022, it's called Uncovering Pop-Off's Mole. He conclusively establishes that the guy responsible for the mole hunt, Bruce Soley, was the mole. The mole was the guy doing the mole hunt. So, that's how he never got caught. He never got caught. Isn't that, did that just happen with the guy? Remember? The guy- That happened with the FBI too. That was in charge of investigating Russian collusion actually was?

Starting point is 01:28:15 And I bet you that that case that he just brought up haunted them. They go, we need to make sure that the guy in charge of the investigation isn't the one actually that we should be looking at. Yeah. So, what's amazing about that, I mean, the files make it look like that, but then you talk to somebody who's right there. I mean, Pete Bagley is, look at his Wikipedia page. He's one of the most beloved, renowned spies by mainstream folks who are into just Cold War thrillers. And for him to say, oh, these documents, establish it with certainty, that's enough for me. I mean, that's a smoking gun that Oswald was CIA. So that's a huge

Starting point is 01:29:00 one. Another one just- Go ahead. Go on. I, I just want to talk to Karl Madden real quick, because it's one of the craziest ones and you want to just talk just insanity in this case. So, all right, day of the assassination, Oswald's arrested at the Texas theater. He goes out the front. There are two witnesses, Butch Burroughs and Bernie, I forget the guy's last name, he owned Bernie's Fab's hobby shop next door to the Texas Theater. Both of them saw Oswald be arrested and be put in a car and taken out the back of the Texas Theater.

Starting point is 01:29:33 Well, obviously, that's not possible, but they both saw that. So, okay, so this gets to the two Oswalds conversation. Well, a few minutes later, this mechanic, I believe his name was T.F. White, or maybe that was the guy who owned the mechanic shop, but this mechanic sees a car parked across the street, this red car, and he walks up to the car, and he knows the president had been shot. And, you know, he just knew that that's all he knew. He didn't know anything else. He makes eye contact with the guy in the car and he says the guy's just being weird. And as soon as he makes eye contact with the guy in the car, the guy gives him a dirty look and drives off. He writes down the

Starting point is 01:30:15 license plate number. Okay. Well, then he sees Oswald on TV and this mechanic goes, the guy I saw in the car was Oswald. That was Oswald. Well, that couldn't have been Oswald because Oswald had already been arrested at that point. Okay. So here's where it gets fun. How many Oswalds? A lot, several. Okay. But I mean, or maybe just two, who knows. But here's where it gets fun. So this guy, Wes Wise, who's a news broadcaster, he went on to be mayor of Dallas. He happens to be speaking at like the Kiwanis Club across the street from the car shop, the auto body shop where this mechanic worked. And the mechanic goes up and talks to him and tells him his story and he has the license plate number. So he asks Wes Wise if he knows anybody who can run it. Wise then gets his police friends to run the license plate and it goes back to Carl Mather, who, well, get this, Carl Mather worked

Starting point is 01:31:12 at Collins Radio, which is an intelligence contractor, and his best friend was J.D. Tippett, the cop that was killed. So, Tippett was so close to Karl Mather that he found out that Tippett was killed because Tippett's wife called him. Okay? They were that close. And then during the HSCA, they wanted to find out like how was his car there, you know, what was going on. And they asked Mather these questions, and he basically pleads the fifth

Starting point is 01:31:46 and says that he's not going to incriminate himself. Jesus. Jesus, it's so deep, it's so deep. So, I mean, that's crazy, dude. That's so crazy about that Russian spy thing. Okay, final question I have for you. I want to ask you. So, we've had people, you know, obviously this is Tim Full Hat. We know what we're into here. We're into seeing how deep, how many layers of this onion we can peel back. So when you study, and I did want to bring it up while we were looking at the Supruder film, but if you study the Supruder film, Mark, who booked you on the show, he's, we had a guy named Ryder Leon,

Starting point is 01:32:26 we love him on the show, he came on, he talked about his movie that he just, he just put out about the JFK assassination, their belief is it's fake. Have you ever heard the theory of the quib? Squib. Squib? Is it a color squib. Are you talking about this? This is an idea that that the That JFK was wearing squibs right like and that the what you're seeing is is that right? Yeah, that's it that the squib explodes that he was not killed that that for some reason they wanted to affect That he wanted to get out of office because he knew he was in trouble and this is how they did it

Starting point is 01:33:06 I was quib for me squid squid is like those things they use in Hollywood exploding So when you see his head explode it looks like something wraps up Which is like there's a lot of reflection stuff. Have you ever heard that theory? um To be honest, not really. The thing is, there are thousands and thousands and thousands of documents in this case. And I understand the whole thing of people could lie, documents can be forged and all these things.

Starting point is 01:33:43 But I would, you know, the question is, I guess, to what end? I mean, so then LBJ becomes president? Well, the fact of knowing that at the time he was killed, JFK was actively working on back channel negotiations with Khrushchev and with Castro to basically bring about peace. And then the CIA and the military found out about that and they were pissed. They were livid. So crazy, right? Because he was going outside of a normal channel. So, I just, to me, it doesn't seem like, I don't, okay, you know, people always say someone would have talked, right? You know, how could

Starting point is 01:34:22 you keep that a secret? In the JFK case, the answer is many people did talk. There's overwhelming evidence in my view, but I haven't seen anyone say that. And everything I've seen is not consistent. The voluminous evidence I've reviewed does not overlap with that worldview, you know, is my position. It's so deep. It gets really deep, man. Great episode, Matt. We loved it. We're looking forward to season two. You know, I want... Season three. Season three. I want to buy you that book, dude. I want to buy you that book. Dude, I'll buy it. I need to read it anyway. It's captivating, dog. It's captivating. One more time, Matt, can you tell everybody where

Starting point is 01:35:10 they can find you? Yeah, my podcast is Solving JFK. It's available everywhere you can find podcasts. And if you want to do the Cliff Notes, just listen to the season one conclusion and the season two conclusions and hey, you'll be ready to roll for season three. We got like music, my producer is in the band OAR, he's a saxophonist for the band OAR, so we get some good music that I co-write with him. And then yeah, the book is, ah, The JFK Assassination Chokeholds, it's me with James DiGinio who's kind of like legendary and then whole blow and two Two other attorneys Andrew Eiler and Mark Adamzik

Starting point is 01:35:52 You can find that book everywhere and the audible version of the book is out today And then I'm also in a film on Paramount Plus called JFK what the doctor saw Which is available on Paramount Plus. So thanks for having me Matt. You crushed it Thank you so much links to his book below links to his podcast below and let's break down this episode What do you guys think? I don't know when this will ever be resolved. I Don't think it's meant to be resolved. I think when you have an event this big, there are so many layers to it. There's just so many layers to it. Get ready for a Las Vegas style action at BetMGM, the king of online casinos. Enjoy casino games at your fingertips with the same Vegas strip excitement

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Starting point is 01:37:54 Yeah. But okay, you say that, but how many documentaries and how many podcasts have we done about the JFK assassination? Do you think there will ever be that many documentaries about the attempt to kill Donald Trump at least? Oh, he didn't die. I know, but there should still be more and more information. It was very like, oh, he kind of attempted.

Starting point is 01:38:09 I just don't buy into that, so I'm just going to say it. For that to be true, I mean, I've thought about it a lot. That would have to be so well controlled, that whole area. It was. That's my humble opinion. That's my humble opinion. That's my humble pain. I don't like dude Listen, you don't get out of there if they want you dead unless it's just a sloppy sloppy I mean it's possible, but do you think after the attempt Trump has more?

Starting point is 01:38:38 Reason to release the JFK files like dude. You almost killed you you might Yeah, I wasn't sure where Matt wanted to go on Israel I don't like to have people talk about things that make them uncomfortable Such as they're nice people like Matt is yeah, and if they're a lawyer, okay so but I Think a big reason Trump doesn't release it because it just implicates Israel and that's why he doesn't want it out Because he's a cabalist sorcerer. Well they keep claiming national security right? Yeah of course. That would make sense. And you know I mean we're all just territories of

Starting point is 01:39:13 the British Empire and all that so that's my opinion so that's why he doesn't release it because he's a he's a sorcerer he's a he's a Kabbalist sorcerer. Jew magic, everybody. Jew magic. That's what we're talking about. Are you ready for part three of his? Yeah, I'm excited. He goes hard, yeah.

Starting point is 01:39:32 But hey, dude, he was open-minded to it. He was open-minded to it. But imagine, dude, being at a convention of assassins, going up, going Israel, and some to do it do and people booing you like our government do it. No way that government did it. Our government did it. It's like such a weird to me, just a weird like Stockholm syndrome response to it.

Starting point is 01:39:57 Like the kind of spiritual mental warfare of political correctness you can just see how it's captured people Dude, this is a two-day convention dude. Could you do both days? You do? I would go in a heartbeat I Want to go to care is 120 bucks for a virtual ticket? I'm not against that Johnny doesn't do virtual tickets, even though he has bought virtual goggles before, but he doesn't do that.

Starting point is 01:40:30 But I will go, dude. I will go two nights. Nobody calls him goggles anymore. Okay. How does the convention start? What's day one? What's day two? Dude, if you can pull ass from an assassination convention,

Starting point is 01:40:41 you are the man. I gotta say, that picture makes it look incredibly boring. Yeah incredibly hard too and like every year like is there new information? You boning any of those fucking? Maybe the one with the big teeth maybe I mean like at an assassination convention that's a 10. They're not they're not asking for this. Johnny shut up! Johnny won't even let me do my new cool thing called Wood. He won't let me do as a segment. I'm all broken sim because he's afraid. I'm not afraid of anything. I think it's ridiculous. It's cruel to the people, you know, especially when it's like retarded people and stuff. How about we just do people that put themselves out? I think you guys should. Yeah, but these people just

Starting point is 01:41:23 won't do it. he won't have fun we're gonna do wood with the ladies who post for a picture on the JFK website well then don't push the don't fucking take that's okay if you don't want to get by Sam don't post pictures anywhere why is it ugly why is it I would fuck them I mean would not fuck them. I Thought was a great episode. We know the answer. It's wood. It's always wood. No, no, not true at all. Okay, not true at all It's so I just want to say that that especially that ending part about the about the spy Mind-blowing and that just reminds me of like that story that just happened. So that's crazy Who knows?

Starting point is 01:42:05 I'm not necessarily, you know, the whole thing is that JFK faked his assassination and he became Jimmy Carter. Right? So stupid. That's what some people think. Johnny, Johnny, I can't believe you're upset about wood, but then you call people in the community stupid. I didn't say they're stupid.

Starting point is 01:42:22 I said that is stupid. Okay. I didn't say anybody is stupid. Okay, I would agree with you if a lot of them were would it, but they're would. You're literally telling them that you would. It's very positive. Well yeah, I would drop it on you. I'd sauce you up lady. That's what I'm saying. Guys, go to SamTripley.com, check out my dates. I'm again gonna be in Tampa, gonna be in Cancun. I'm in Tampa, I believe, when is, how many weeks till, yeah two weeks from now. Tampa Bay, I'm gonna be in Tampa Bay, Cancun, Batavia, going to be in Columbus, Ohio, Pottstown, Morris, New Jersey, Phoenix, Arizona. Check that out, guys.

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Starting point is 01:48:41 Anything broken no your house no Hmm. I'm sure you do there's gotta be something broken you just throw it away there and it's broken no I need I want to start I want our building shit do you know how to make a shelf no like make shelves for all these little guys so let me ask a shelf that's like this deep and then custom length that okay so let me ask you something. Yes. So I go to Home Depot, I get like the base. I made videos about this. Okay. Johnny can connect you to it. I made it exactly. All right. That tells exactly how to do it. There's these pieces of hardware that you get from the fastener's aisle and they're not four shelves, but they're called

Starting point is 01:49:20 corner braces and that's what you use to screw the shelf to the wall. And my video is like, if you have this kind of wall, use this. And I gotta look for studs in the wall? Okay. Yes, depending on how much weight is the wall is gonna hold, but don't get an electric stud finder.

Starting point is 01:49:39 You have to get this stud finder, it's called a stud buddy, and it has really powerful magnets in it and the way it works is you slide it around your wall and when it hits one of the it hits underneath your paint there's a screw holding the drywall to a stud so it detects the screw that's in the stud okay now the electric ones don't work but this thing is bombproof yeah and if it sticks to the wall, that's your stud. You just make a little pencil mark there.

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Starting point is 01:51:18 So you get the corner braces, and then you get the corner braces, you get the triple grip, cobras, get yourself, you can afford, you've got- You remind me of my friend, Gary. He does this- Get yourself a Milwaukee, like 12 volt drill, and the bits and the screwdriver bit with the magnetic holder thing, right?

Starting point is 01:51:39 It's all in this video. It's all in these videos. And then a pole saw, which is like, it's just a Japanese saw that's really easy to cut videos. And then a pull saw, which is like, it's just a Japanese saw that's really easy to cut through. And then pick out some wood that's like four inches deep that you like and just start making shelf make shelves for your girlfriend's makeup. Make shelves for you need shelves. Shelves make you so organized and they're fast and they're so satisfying.

Starting point is 01:52:01 My girl loves it when I build things. Get yourself some sandpaper. Oh yeah dude. She loves it when I build things. Does it get her excited? Yeah she loves it. I want to build shit dude. And, you're a sandpaper. Oh, yeah. Did you get it when I decided? I want to build shit, dude. And a level. Start with shelf. All right.

Starting point is 01:52:09 I'll start with shelves. Because we might be leaving here, moving somewhere else. But I do want to put all these because obviously we lost Kawhi at some point. Oh, you should fix that. I should get some glue. OK, I'm going to tell you the trick. OK, so there's this crazy glue gel or gorilla group glue. They call it super glue

Starting point is 01:52:27 Crazy glue is a brand name. Okay, but the gel kind okay Now here's the secret with crazy glue you need to like lick both of the things that are gonna glue together Okay, because it needs water. Okay. Okay, and so you put a little I'll show you how you'd fix What's this guy's named? Kawaii Leonard? So you put a little, I'll show you how you'd fix, what's this guy's name? Kawhi Leonard. So with Kawhi, you would take, and this is a very specific, Super Glue's not for everything.

Starting point is 01:52:52 You can't fix sunglasses, you can't, if your glasses break in the middle, you can't fix them with Super Glue. They're broken. You need to like weld, you need like a mending plate. What do you think about the glasses that Elon Musk wore at the fight with the with the yeah I know yeah, I think he's just like a callback to what was a animal house or revenge of the nerds. Okay, okay?

Starting point is 01:53:11 alright, so you put Here here gel after you've licked it and then alright. This is kind of a complex You've got to build something that holds it in place for a while. Oh really yes, and then something that holds it in place for a while. Oh really? Yes. And then it clicks in. Oh no, it clicks in. You're good. You're good. It's already good. Look at you put it together. So wait, this is what you do with the, with the crazy glue, with the crazy glue gel you have in a little dish off to the side, baking soda. And you take it when it's perfectly set and it's never going to move again. You take a little baking soda and you take it when it's perfectly set and it's never gonna move again, you take a little baking soda and you sprinkle it, like light speed, bang, it's bonded.

Starting point is 01:53:49 It's like cement. There's whole videos where people make like washers. If you'd like to hear the rest of this episode, subscribe to Broken Simulation in your podcasting app or check us out at youtube.com slash Sam Trippoli. We go deep home boys. Karen, open your mic. Get ready for Las Vegas Wake up, Aaron! This is only the beginning. You just blew my mind.

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