Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #863: Emergency Podcast- The Zizians: Unveiling the Trans Vegan Cult of Death With Stephen Horn

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Starting point is 00:01:27 Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Then I'm being Louisville, Fort Wayne, Detroit, Michigan to co and then Tacoma more dates to come. So, uh, yeah, man, enjoy this episode. Hi, everybody. And welcome to a special emergency episode. I am very excited to talk to our next guest. I saw his tweets and he was tweeting about the trans serial killer gang that was Roman America.

Starting point is 00:01:59 And I said I got to interview this guy. He's from North Carolina. Please welcome Stephen Horn. How are you, sir? Pretty good. Thanks for having me. Stephen, thank you so much for joining me. For our listeners who may not be familiar with you, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and where our listeners can find you? Yep, so you can find me on Twitter, Stephen E. Horn, or just put my name in the search bar. I'm not currently shadow banned, so I should show up. God bless.

Starting point is 00:02:27 I'm just an independent journalist, so I report primarily on local news here in North Carolina, specifically in the Raleigh-Durham area, if anyone is familiar with the state. Johnny would love to be talking to you. He's from North Carolina. Ah, we think about movie mayor all the time. So you can get a mansion there. Sorry, it's full. Oh, really? Okay, because I have the LA hat on. You don't want me to come by?

Starting point is 00:02:52 We're full. We're full. Okay, I respect that. I do respect that, man. I respect that. You saw it. You took your shot. I'm in.

Starting point is 00:03:00 So where do you want wanna start, brother? I mean, this is such an interesting thing. We just had a really great investigative journalist on the show. That episode drops next week. His name is William Ramsey. He brought up this group of killers. And so I remember when he brought up,

Starting point is 00:03:19 I got very excited because I knew we were scheduled to do our interview. And I just think it's an incredible story and you you've been covering it so where would you like to start? I guess we could we could either start with some of that the history and the timeline or we could start with the ideology either way you want to play it. Ah let's start with the ah hmm which one will set it up better let's start with the ideology and then we'll get into the history. Yeah so basically that where that so I guess for for anyone who who you know isn't

Starting point is 00:03:54 aware of which specific cult you know killer cult we're talking about you know this is the they're called the zizians after sort of the transgender identity of the founder and leader, Jack Ziz, Lesota. So basically where they come out of is the rationality community. And I would, I'm probably doing a poor job describing it. They say they're all about thinking and how to think better. And personally, in my opinion, if you do a little too much thinking,

Starting point is 00:04:31 you end up like Jack, get in a serial killer. and the Zizzi and Cier. Yeah, that seems to be, I think they thought, I think they failed at their mission. Sounds like it didn't go well with thinking better. Seems like they thought the worst idea is possible.

Starting point is 00:04:45 Yeah. And so, you know, some of the early craziness they got into was Lesotha and several of the members were arrested for, I guess it was sort of a protest of like a get together in the rationality community, but they were like blocking the entrances of this retreat in California and they are wearing like black robes and I think masks. And so someone called the police and they ended up, you know, getting arrested and charged with that. Because you can't, you can't just like block entrances.

Starting point is 00:05:18 And I think they're even charged with something related to child endangerment because they're like some children playing on a playground nearby when they are pulling this stuff. So that was before they started murdering people. This is where it starts, it starts at a child endangerment. I mean, it starts with blocking the road or trespassing. That's so crazy. Yeah, because I think you can kind of see how it escalates. I believe, I want to say that was around 2019.

Starting point is 00:05:44 So it was sort of in the 2010s, he kind of, I believe, I want to say that was around 2019. So sort of in the 2010s, you know, he kind of, I guess, split off from the rest of the community because they were sort of recognizing, he was a little bonkers because, and I guess- So they separate from the original guy who founded the group, is that what you're saying? Oh no, so the rationality community, mostly like an online community where they get on forums and talk and write about stuff, thinky stuff.

Starting point is 00:06:15 But Lesoda, he split off because he was crazy and kind of cultish. They weren't radical enough for him, so he wanted to go even harder into thinking better. Yeah, most of the rationality people aren't necessarily that radical, but it's kind of the way I see it, he's further down the road. Because some of the ideas like utilitarianism, if you just kind of stick with, oh, let me rationalize a reason for why society's morals are the way they are, well, you'll still end up in kind of the same moral place where you say, hey, murder is bad, don't murder it. But if you take it to its logical conclusion, then it's for the greater good.

Starting point is 00:06:59 And in this case, that ended up with four murders that are linked to the group so far. Oh my god oh my god that's so crazy so they they splinter off and then what happens next how do they make that jump? Yeah so they basically they they form a commune I believe it's four people at that point. In terms of the total size, I believe I've seen 10 total names who have been affiliated with this cult, this group, the Zizians, including Ziz or Lasoda himself. That includes two of them who have died in their murder attempts. Because for a murder cult, they're not very good at it. Two of their murder, well, yeah, basically their assaults have resulted in two of the members being killed in self-defense.

Starting point is 00:07:55 But you know, to sort of get back to the timeline, you know, they end up on this piece of property in California. I am not really familiar with the geography out there. I was thinking I had the name written down somewhere. Basically, this guy, he's around 80 years old, he has this piece of property where he lets people, mostly artists and stuff, basically set up their campers or their whatever, you know, set up like a shipping container for like a little art studio. So he basically has this property that he rents out like this. So the Zizians come, I believe there's four of them, four of them at the time, and they

Starting point is 00:08:41 basically set up here. But they operate sort of like a commune the people think they're weird They they're wearing black robes and stuff And eventually they decide to stop paying rent Because you know, why would they pay rent? I'm not sure if they're fully communist Most of what I read about them focused more on like that Most of what I read about them focused more on like the morality of it, you know, their beliefs on morality. Are they full trans right now?

Starting point is 00:09:11 Are they trans in black robes? Yes. So yeah, there's a little more nuance to the trans stuff because it kind of gets into how they are also cultish instead of just being like a group of trans people who want to hang out with other people. Yeah, okay. But basically they're on this property. I think it was after COVID that they stopped paying rent because there's rent control and

Starting point is 00:09:36 all that. I think they kind of took advantage of that. But basically come 2022, the property owner, he's tired of them not paying rent. And I guess finally the COVID orders have backed off enough. So basically this group hears that he's going to evict them from their commune and they're not happy about that. So the story is, and I'm not sure how many witnesses there were to this, but basically the story is, you know, one night they go They started throwing rocks at his, you know, where he lived on the property

Starting point is 00:10:10 Obviously, he doesn't like that. They're trying to start trouble somehow in the morning it escalates You know, I think they say that he started it He and his friends say that they started it but it ends up with him getting stabbed through the chest with a sword. Oh, with a sword? Yeah, so it's like this 80 year old guy, they cut him up, he loses an eye, he gets stabbed through with a sword, but he does manage to shoot one of his attackers and two more arrested. Lasoda himself being the leader obviously doesn't get his hands dirty so they let him go. Classic cult leader. Even though he he still had these charges pending from this protest that they had done years before and I think I'm pretty sure years before. And I think I'm pretty sure in the meantime, I know I'm not, yeah I'm pretty sure it was before this, he had faked his own death. So he basically had his friends

Starting point is 00:11:14 tell his lawyer that he fell off a boat when they were out fishing or something and that he was dead. But he shows up alive again at the crime scene but for whatever reason, the police arrest the other two Zizians who are there, charge them with assault, and but but you know Ziz himself manages to escape and start another commune. Four trans go after an 80 year old, stab him, he loses his eye, he takes out one of them, and then the guy who faked his own death, the cops don't arrest him, and they arrest the other guys for simple trespassing?

Starting point is 00:11:53 Is that how it's going? So the two who are arrested, I believe they're charged with assault and maybe felony murder. So if you're not familiar with the felony murder rule, it's basically if you commit a felony and someone dies, you can be charged with felony murder, even if you're not the one who directly killed him. So this property owner was the one who shot and killed one of the people attacking him,

Starting point is 00:12:18 but they charged the other two attackers, I believe, with felony murder, because it was their actions that led to, you know, their fellow friends death. And so I know Lesota and two of the attackers are trans. The third one, who's I believe he's, well, he, I believe he's still in jail. Based on the reporting by Andy No, whatever name that the California, I guess, jail system has him under, the court system, is not his real name. So he's probably trans, but you know, we don't necessarily know. Who knows?

Starting point is 00:12:58 But probably because I think- I mean, you have all the weirdest, like just the ingredients for a weird stew here. You got trans, you got murder, you got California. There you go. It's like those things together. Who knows who? Who's who? Yeah. And so, so in terms of trans stuff, one of the specific, I guess, quirks of the ideology that Lesota preached is this sort of duality based on your right and left hemispheres. So he kind of believed that you could be two separate persons, and so like one half of your brain could be trans and the other half could be not trans.

Starting point is 00:13:43 And they would do this thing to induce what's called unihemispheric sleep. So basically when one half of your brain goes to sleep, the other half stays awake. And there are animals that can do this because you know they're watching out for predators or whatever. Humans can't really do it. Yeah. But if you're sleep deprived enough, which was basically their tactic where they would they would like rest half the body and then stimulate the other half. And apparently when you're sleep deprived enough and they keep doing that, you'll eventually develop a split personality. Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:14:17 So when these people are trans and so they would also, I believe you also would like refer to the different haas by different names. When these people are trans, they might only be half trans. Okay. Cause they're, they have like a, maybe a little Jekyll and Hyde thing going on and one is trans, one is not. Maybe they're both trans, but I think out of the- Trans split personality. That's almost four people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and so out of the 10 names that I put together from the various reporting, I believe,

Starting point is 00:14:52 I believe six, six or seven of them have a known trans alias or a lie. I feel like I'm saying that wrong. But basically they have a trans name that's different than the regular name. The other ones might as well. I believe at least one or two of them are non-binary, like go by they, them or whatever, but they might still use their birth names.

Starting point is 00:15:15 And so that's part of where it gets culty is when you have this process where you're sleep depriving people to intentionally develop a split personality um That's a pretty crazy thing to do right and it's so crazy makes people dependent on you when you're sleep deprived Um, you're not thinking right because your brain isn't at full capacity and also Um when you're intentionally driving yourself insane um I don't even know if it was something he did himself. But apparently from what I read,

Starting point is 00:15:48 this is something he would have his followers do. Now real quick, the leader, where does he come from? Like who, cult leaders are charismatic people, but we always tend to find that there's kind of some weird invisible hand involved, at least the more famous cult leaders. Is there anything about him that sticks out? That's kind of like, you know, he was, you know, his parents were military, lived, you know,

Starting point is 00:16:17 anything like that, that you've discovered about him that makes him kind of somebody people would want to follow or somebody like, cause when go when you go hey man cops show up some people get arrested this guy doesn't that's very much in the mold of a Charles Manson where he would like be involved in a crime yeah he wouldn't actually do go to jail for anything they would release him automatically would had you found out anything about him in terms of his past or connections to intelligence or think tanks or anything like that?

Starting point is 00:16:50 Yeah. So, you know, Andy has done the deepest research on this and, you know, I don't think I've really seen anything related to like his early life or anything. I think he, like many of the other members, was involved in the tech industry at some point out in California. That seems to be a common theme with them. I think it was either Lesodan or one of the other members who had like an internship at NASA at one point. So it kind of seems like they're so then that the people who are recruiting, you know, kind of come from the, I guess, the thinker side of humanity.

Starting point is 00:17:30 So crazy. I mean, like, I don't know if you'd found out if he was he rich? Did he come from rich parents? Was, you know, because like, you know, again, you go back to, there's very interesting history of Marilyn Monroe, but, you go back to, there's very interesting history in Marilyn Monroe, but Charles Manson, I think, went through the foster care system, and what I've learned by studying a lot of this stuff is that they're constantly collecting data on these people. Now, I don't know if this cult got big enough

Starting point is 00:17:59 for them to do that, but was he a rich kid? Because it just seems like when you start getting into these weird ideologies of like half your brain sleeves, you tend to be a richer kid who doesn't have to worry about all the real problems of the world, like how to pay your bills and how you're going to keep clothes on your back and food in your stomach. And you're allowed to kind of think about these kind of more more I don't know how to say but I this like kind of weird ideology that you're allowed to do this idealism that maybe people with normal people problems or or regular regular middle class lower class people don't

Starting point is 00:18:39 get to think about yeah you know I'm not sure I've seen anything about his early life. You know, I'm sure more will come out, you know, as people continue to look into it, especially since I believe he was he was just arrested in Maryland. He and a couple members of his group that had previously been at large. And so so basically, like he studied computer engineering and I think he and some of the members of the group had that in common, computer engineering, programming, or in the engineering space in general. I think more recently, their group has been sort of bankrolled by, it's been reported that they are bankrolled by one of the members who was from Germany. I believe his parents were, you know, like big in finance or whatever. So the reporting is that he had,

Starting point is 00:19:39 that member had been funding the group and that, that member Felix Spacholt is the one who was killed in the shootout with Border Patrol in Vermont. I believe that was last month. What? Who was who was who was shot in a shootout? Yeah. So so you might have heard this. So I think it might have even been the same day as Trump's inauguration is that

Starting point is 00:20:07 Basically there are these two people traveling in Vermont. They are wearing black One of them was you know open carrying a handgun into like a hotel employee Called the police and was like hey these people are kind of suspicious So the Vermont State Police get in touch with the FBI I guess they ended up getting in touch with Border Patrol because the, you know, the car was driven by this German national. And so the Border Patrol tries to pull them over. One of the guys, I guess the female who was driving, she gets out, starts shooting at police. The German,

Starting point is 00:20:42 he has a gun as well, even though I think that's illegal. And so basically in the ensuing shootout, the German is killed, a border patrol agent named David Malin is killed as well, and the other shooter was injured. And that was sort of how this whole case kind of blew up, is that people started putting the pieces together and realized they are associated with this Zizian cult. Hey Hey guys real quick I'm going to tell you about our good friends at Wisewolf Gold and Silver. Listen if you're paying attention you know that the de-dollarization is real. Fiat is fake and you don't want to be left holding the bag when the dollar crap collapses. Okay. Gold and silver have been money through all of the recorded history and are

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Starting point is 00:22:37 people were in the cult did you say was it four or ten or what was that number? So I've, you know when I was counting the names that were connected together in various articles, I came up with 10. I guess we don't necessarily know all who were associated with them. So Lesoto is previously active on the internet, you know, writing articles for a blog and stuff where he kind of talked about his ideology. I think he ended up deleting that and over the past couple years, you know, they haven't been as open or as public with their, you know, with their activities.

Starting point is 00:23:15 So we don't necessarily know. They definitely could have members that we've never heard of before. But you know, I think that kind of gives you a rough, you know, order of magnitude sort of scale as to how many, how many, you know, people associated with this group there are. So, so right now we're, we're at two people dead. We have, before we get into the extra thing. So their ideology is the split hemisphere or is it an ideology of like where we're kind of like trans or higher levels

Starting point is 00:23:47 of human beings and they operate on a spiritual level that binary people don't understand or like what was actually... Yeah, so they did consider themselves to be on a higher level than ordinary humans but it wasn't necessarily specifically because of the trans stuff. So basically, Lesotha taught that your two hemispheres, there are two different states they could be in. They could either be good or non-good. Basically, that was how much moral agency you have. Basically, that was how much moral agency you have. So, you know, ordinary people, they have two non-good halves, and so they would call them zombies.

Starting point is 00:24:31 You know, basically, kind of like the idea of NPCs. Most people are just wandering around the world, doing their thing, not really thinking about much. So Lesota, and I believe they said that was like 95% of the population. So Les Sota's followers, they had one half of their brain was good. Okay, you know, it was turned up. It was the next level. So you know, they're kind of halfway there. And so they're, they have more moral agency than the average people, but not as much as

Starting point is 00:25:02 Les Sota himself who had both sides turned on. So they basically saw themselves as. Disciples. We can think and we can understand what's right and wrong, whereas the average people, they're just going about their day to day business, not really worrying about anything. It's so weird to me that people follow people who just like suddenly just figure something out, you know, it's almost along the lines of like, you know,

Starting point is 00:25:28 Bill Burr's bit about like, you know, the, you know, El Ron Hubbard's, you know, they're like leaders stubbed his toe at some point, you know, it's like the, you know, the Scientology people, they follow someone who was like a human being that was alive only a short time ago. It's very weird to me when people get behind somebody who just acts like they figure something out that humanity never figured out before. It's just interesting to me.

Starting point is 00:25:54 And it gets into this desire as human beings, as mammals as well, to like be a part of a pack, be a part of a group, and finding that group that just fits. It's like the blind melon girl, I don't know, you might be too young for that video where it was a blind melon had a song and a music video, a chubby girl dressed as a bumblebee was just lost and then she found this group of other people dressed like a bumblebee and it was like this harmonious moment where they were all dancing together.

Starting point is 00:26:26 It seems like that seems to be the story of people and cults. Like they just, they're lost, they don't camp out and then they just find somebody and they just assimilate. Even if it's absolutely insanity, they seem to assimilate because it allows them to be a part of a group and sounds like if if you're only ten people You're really early into the group So you have a chance of you know being a disciple or something at that point You're so early into the game, dude You can have you can have a big name in this in this group that might change the way the world works

Starting point is 00:26:59 It's super interesting to me Yeah, and I think I Think sort of you know in terms of the cycle, psychology of joining a group like this, I think that might've played into, you know, most or all of their members being trans. Um, you know, it's not really clear, um, since you don't know too much about the individual people, whether he found people who were already trans and maybe felt isolated or looking for somebody to cling to. That seemed to be the case and at least one of the members who went on to probably murder

Starting point is 00:27:37 her parents or his parents. So, I'm assuming that was sort of cut off from her parents, you know, isolated, maybe was looking for some community. As to the other members, I don't think we necessarily know whether they were already had this transgender identity when they came into contact with Lesota and began following him or whether this was something that he convinced people of with his you know split personality tactics. So let's listen so let's um so so we have we right now we have an 10 to 80 year old being killed then we have a a Vermont state trooper being killed. What were the other crimes that they committed? I know you just mentioned, but got any more details about that? Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. So, so I believe, yeah. So, so basically there is, there's this double murder in Pennsylvania. You know, a couple who is killed. I believe they are

Starting point is 00:28:46 found murdered in their home. And I want to say this was in... Okay, so it was New Year's Eve 2022. So I think that, yeah, that would have been shortly after they stabbed this landlord. So I think at the time, the police weren't really sure why this couple had been randomly killed. Now, I think they're able to obtain some audio from nearby ring cams where indicating that their child was present, you know, when the murders happened. This child who also happened to be a member of this group. So, I believe her name is Michelle Zajko and she is transgender, identifies as Jamie. So, her

Starting point is 00:29:43 parents are the ones that are killed and now it's thought that she and possibly other members of the group were involved in killing them and she was also the registered owner of one of the firearms used in that Vermont shooting where the Border Patrol agent was killed. So that's that's one of the ways where you know various various ways, various ways that, you know, A&E know and other reporters have been able to sort of tie this together as, oh, this is related. I don't think it's really been coming from, I don't think law enforcement has taken the lead in exposing this cult, you know, exposing how this is all linked together.

Starting point is 00:30:19 It's more, you know, journalists sort of putting the pieces together and being like, oh, we're reading this court document and this person also shows up in this other court document related to this group. So basically, yeah, this, I don't know if they've actually filed any murder charges yet for that Pennsylvania murder because as I understand it, Zajko was one of the, the three members who has arrested just this week, um, in Maryland. So Lesoto, uh, Zajko and, um, another member named Daniel Blank.

Starting point is 00:30:57 Very, definitely sounds like a real name, Daniel Blank. Um, I'm sure that's his real name. And they're all trans. So I'm not sure if Blank is, but Lesota and Zazko. And so there's that murder, or those two murders, those are two that associated with the group, likely committed by them, because I believe Zazko had written or messaged people about how she really hated her parents, she blamed them for like being bad parents I guess. I don't know that she specifically accused them of anything that would actually be a crime but I guess she, she, she. Was she a boy at some point in her life

Starting point is 00:31:47 and then she became a girl? No. So I believe. Oh, it's the other way. My understanding is that Michelle is her birth name and Jamie is what she identifies as now. Oh, okay, I understand. So I don't know if that sort of transgenderism, I mean, I'm guessing maybe it was because of her relationship with her parents

Starting point is 00:32:06 or maybe that inflamed it. I think there's often parental relationships involved in that sort of decision. Were any of them, any other of them female to male? Or was it mostly male to female? I believe it is mostly male to female. Um, so Lesota is a male. Um, the names I'm looking at here.

Starting point is 00:32:35 So I believe So the survivor of the Zizian who survived the Vermont shooting You know, got injured, they arrested her, took her to the hospital. She is, I'm not sure if she's female to male or just female to ambiguous, but she is also born a female. So I think she might be a they, them or something, but she did pick a new name. Depends on the moment, minute to minute. But it does seem to be primarily males in this cult.

Starting point is 00:33:09 You know, they are known for being more murdery in general. It's just interesting to me. I don't know, are you a millennial? Are you a Gen Z-er? What are you? I think I'd be Gen Z on the early end of Gen Z. Gen Z, you're an interesting demographic, man. You're an interesting generation.

Starting point is 00:33:28 Intra, you guys, like, I don't know if you guys are more sensitive than millennials. As a comedian, I tend to think you guys have a better sense of humor than the millennials. But you're also not afraid to shoot people. It's like unbelievable. You guys will pull out a gun and start blasting people. It's kind of crazy. I'm not sure the age afraid to shoot people. It's like unbelievable. You guys will pull out the gun. Yeah, I blasted people It's kind of crazy. I'm not sure the age of all these people. I think they would be Millennials. I could be wrong Okay, then then screw them. We all agree I think that's what the gen X and the gen Z's can come together and agree with fuck the Millennials

Starting point is 00:34:00 We got that we agree on that. Okay interesting But it is interesting that trans are just shooting people left and right. It is, it's an interesting thing. Especially seeing that for a very long time, we've been talking a lot about like, you know, just the respect of the lifestyle and trying to show, give them as much like, uh, support and comfort.

Starting point is 00:34:27 And it just seems like they've seen to be going a little crazy right now. I don't know. It's like the shooting of a Trump shooting up schools. It's just, it's an interesting, uh, uh, what's the word pattern here? It seems to me. Yeah. And I'm not sure how much of that is sort of like, I don't know, an overlap between people who are psychotic and people who are transgender or whether it's more of part of

Starting point is 00:34:55 the, what do they call it, like the social contagion. I think that's probably definitely some of what's going on with like the recent school shootings or attempted school shootings where you know they hear about another transgender person and they're like oh this person either got the revenge they wanted or got the attention they wanted or got some sort of thing that I want too and then you know they go out and plan their own. I believe there was just One recently arrested I'm drawing a blank on on the name of the place But I think it just in the last week there was another yeah

Starting point is 00:35:33 There was a really arrested before they could carry it out after the school raised money for them to help them in some kind of Situation where they were in the hospital, then they were gonna turn around and shoot. I mean, it is a little, it is a little, I mean, this is a conspiracy show you're on, I don't know if you know that, but it's a conspiracy show and we discuss a lot of the, let's just say social

Starting point is 00:36:06 Cultural movements and There is kind of this movement to normalize this lifestyle and you know almost at gunpoint Like this kind of like they are people we boss respect them and I don't know your political Affiliation and it's fine. I love everybody. But it's like when I drive to, I live in Hollywood, when I drive down the street and I see a trans person homeless with a haunted wig and they're trying to convince me that this is some unicorn. I go, I don't know if that's necessarily fitting the data that I have learned through my 52 years on this planet. So it's just an interesting thing of like,

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Starting point is 00:39:24 it may just do the same for you copy my crypto dot-com slash TFH yeah, and I had something I was just about to say and now it's completely gone out of my mind I'm sorry, it will hopefully come back. That was a little long rant, but so we're We're at one guy stabbed one one one State trooper killed, two parents killed. Are there any other crimes? And you're telling me the cops aren't linking this, it's journalists that are linking these

Starting point is 00:39:56 guests. Yeah, yeah. In terms of the overarching of these all being members of the same group that are responsible for these. So there's a fourth homicide, I am aware, that's attributed to the group. And that's not killing their own members who die sort of impaled on their own swords, so to speak. One was shot in self-defense by the landlord we discussed, another was killed in the shootout with the border patrol. So there's one more that I'm aware of, and that is actually that very same landlord.

Starting point is 00:40:34 So they have these two members in jail who are charged with assaulting this landlord, with stabbing him with a sword. I think they might have cut him with other weapons as well. So they're in jail and then one day, boom, the landlord is murdered. Someone ambushes him outside of his house. They stab him, cut his throat. He's dead because he is the only witness who could testify against those two in jail. Oh my god! Yeah, and so they make an arrest and this murder of the landlord would be witness and what do you know? He is, he had filed, it's someone who had filed a certificate to get married to this lady involved in the shootout in Vermont.

Starting point is 00:41:23 Oh my god. So one of the members of the group killed this landlord so he couldn't testify against two other members. Dude that is some mafia shit right there. Holy cow. That's incredible. Damn. So you know somebody made a call. Hey go go go take care of that. Anyone took care of that? Yeah, or they, I'm not sure whether the call was made from, I mean, I guess we don't really know how much sort of the internal workings necessarily,

Starting point is 00:41:59 how much Lesoda is directly ordering people around versus being more of a thought leader and sort of the teacher. So you don't necessarily know how the enforcement side of things work, but yeah, definitely a very violent group. And we can sort of get into how the violence intersects with their ideology, if you want to get into that. Okay. So we don't know if it was a phone call from inmate to person on the outside, or it was a call from the right hemisphere to the left hemisphere that made it suddenly. Yeah. Yeah. Could have been, could have been either, right?

Starting point is 00:42:35 Could have been him just deciding, Hey, you know, this will be a good thing to do. I'm going to save my buddies who are in jail. Right. Right. Right. Right. I don't think we necessarily know how the planning and plotting of that attack took place. Okay, all right. So let's get into how this kind of either fits in or clashes with their ideology.

Starting point is 00:42:58 Yeah, so basically like I said with the rationality community, they're people who think a lot and they think about thinking and they think about thinking about thinking. In terms of the hemisphere stuff, that is where Lesoda sort of...that wasn't an idea that was widely accepted. Probably just him and the members of his group. Because it's kind of out there, right? Your hemispheres are two different people.

Starting point is 00:43:24 They're not like scientific evidence or anything to back that up. So most of these thinkers would not agree with that. But what he did share in common with them is this sort of utilitarianism, though he definitely took it to an extreme that, you know, obviously the vast majority of these people in this internet, this online community, you know, most of them are not going around murdering people. So basically, utilitarianism is, it's basically, you know, for the greater good, the ends justify the means. And you put that together with, they're also all vegans, because they because they have this equivalency between human life and all

Starting point is 00:44:08 other life. I don't know exactly how far they take it, whether they take it to bacteria or whatnot, but they take it to animals. So basically they see everyone who's not a vegan as a murderer. And so they feel justified in killing people because basically in their worldview they're the only right ones and basically everyone else is horrifically evil. Now remember they believe most people don't have their brains really turned on so they kind of view them as evil but they don't

Starting point is 00:44:40 necessarily know what they're doing. But it's still okay to kill them because once again they're evil. They're not still okay to kill them because once again, they're not vegans, they're killing animals, they're eating them. They literally act like Grand Theft Auto. They just still run over somebody and it doesn't matter because that's an NPC and they're not really thinkers. Yeah, yeah, there definitely seems to be some elements

Starting point is 00:45:01 of that where they see themselves as superior. Now they haven't gotten any killing sprees yet, you know, it's kind of, their killings have been targeted so far, you know, the first attack was on their landlord because they didn't want to pay him rent and he was going to evict them, you know, the next killings were these parents that the members believed were abusive, and then one was, you know, the border patrol are coming after them and they decide to turn that into a shootout. So the killings have been directed so far and that also plays into part of the ideology as well which is a sort of interpretation of game theory

Starting point is 00:45:40 where it's if you know that I will resort to extreme violence, that you're less likely to come after me, right? So, if I've already decided that anytime you come after me, I'm gonna try to kill you, you might leave me alone, right? So, that sort of plays into it where their their morality justifies it, but then when they choose to murder is based more on this, this, oh, if we kill people, then they won't mess with us, which hasn't turned out to be the case because I think now the majority of them are either dead or in jail. So it basically becomes this weird kind of defense where it's like self-defense even though it's not self-defense

Starting point is 00:46:28 or are they trying to act ultra violent so you're afraid of them? Yeah, so I think it's more the former where they see it as self-defense but they would also see like you know demanding rent from them would be aggression. So they're, they're self-defending themselves against you demanding rent to live on your property or self-defense against border patrol pulling you over. Or I, you know, we don't really know the- Is it like a communism in some weird way? This idea of property rights and why do you get the own property?

Starting point is 00:47:03 I, I, why can't this be my property too? If I'm standing here. Do you think that is anything kind of what they're getting into this weird kind of super duper form of communism? Yeah. And you know, their ideology is so far out there that I'm not sure of all of the elements where it can flex with more ideology. There does seem to be some element of that regarding property ownership where their beliefs don't align with the average person's idea that you can actually own things because they do appear to have been living in a commune type of arrangement in California and also when

Starting point is 00:47:43 they moved to North Carolina they brought their box trucks with them that they had sort of lived in as a weird sort of commune sort of thing and then these two members who are up in Vermont were reportedly looking for land in Vermont where they could build another commune. So I didn't, I didn't see anything specific, you know, when I was doing a little reading in terms of like them not believing in property, but it does seem they didn't really believe in landlords and they also like living as communes. So definitely some communist elements there.

Starting point is 00:48:19 That's so crazy. So crazy this This, this ideology of like, just, we're going to kind of create our own breakaway civilization on your land. And if you get mad at us and demand rent, we're going to kill you. And I mean, it just sounds bonkers to me. The whole thing just sounds absolutely bonkers. I mean, trans communist murder, cult leaders. I mean, you communist murder cult leaders. I mean, you're checking all the boxes right there. Yeah, exactly. It's almost vegans. We forgot vegans. Yes, exactly. Yeah, it's like if you wrote this as fiction, everyone would be

Starting point is 00:48:58 like, no, that's crazy. You're just making fun of leftists. Like, no, this is a real group that exists. This is really what they believe and yeah, they really have probably been involved in at least four murders so far. It's nuts to me, especially when you're trying to be like, we have this evolved version of the way we should behave and it devolves into murder like right there kind of like I don't know if our ideology is right when we When we end up murdering people because they don't do what we want them to do. It's so interesting. The whole thing is just so

Starting point is 00:49:38 Interesting and it gets into the spiritual stuff where like for me, I'm a Christian you get the farther from God into the spiritual stuff where like for me, I'm a Christian. You get the farther from God, the higher the anxiety, the higher the, you know, those who get closer to God, lower anxiety, those who get farther from God, just you get into a crazy place of vegan, say vegan, communist, trans, serial killers, which is. Yeah. And the Antifa as well. Antifa as well. Oh, Antifa is in here too? As well. Yes.

Starting point is 00:50:08 Yeah. So we can get into that. Yes. But yeah, I think definitely what you're saying is right is that. Yeah. When you're, when you're closer to God, when you're listening to what God says, like, Hey, don't kill people. You know, things turn out well for yourself.

Starting point is 00:50:22 And if you're, if you're living in a society like ours, Western civilization has been heavily influenced by the Bible and by, you know, putting a lot of that into practice. Our laws are informed based on that. If you take an idea like utilitarianism, then just justify the means. A lot of people just use that to come up with a non-God explanation for why things are right is wrong. But they somehow just happen to

Starting point is 00:50:51 come up with the same things being right and wrong that they are raised to believe. Okay? Because most people believe what they believe because they were taught that growing up. So when you're an adult you might come up with an alternate explanation for why you believe, but then somehow you ended up with the same conclusion and you decided that the path you took there would be a different path. But then you have this very small minority that actually takes that to its logical conclusions plus a couple other ingredients of veganism of this all life is equally valuable. You know, humans aren't special.

Starting point is 00:51:29 And then add in a dash of this hemispheric thing. Now you're out there killing people. So crazy. It's just such a crazy reality. You know, I mean, when we study a lot of the, you know, you study Hollywood, you get into the occult, you know, you get into old, old, old gods, we call them, the Missouria Asterism gods, the Babylonian gods, all that stuff. There's a lot of trans, trans history in there, trans cults, trans, trans priests in the old temples and stuff like that. And you see this kind of push to push that on society and stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:52:10 And like, dude, live your life again. If you live your life and you don't murder 80 year old landlords or your parents or your state, you'll never hear anything from me. I live your life. I'm not going to tell you how to live your life. You connect with God in your way and we'll all find out who's right when it's all over. But there seems to be this kind of push into this kind of lifestyle that can... You see the memes all the time and I'm not trying to be disrespectful to anybody but you see the memes all the time but like like unattractive person and then there's this like picture of like medication says they them on it and it's like oh now you can kind of be special.

Starting point is 00:52:56 You see that it's like enticing to people gives people kind of a purpose in their life to to believe and act a certain way. And you know, again, you see it happen all the time. Again, I live in LA. I used to do, I used to walk up and down Hollywood Boulevard just watching people. And you know, whenever a building goes up for sale in Hollywood on Hollywood Boulevard, Scientology will come and buy it. They'll buy it right up and now it will be another Scientology building.

Starting point is 00:53:25 And you look at the Scientology people, they're very normal looking people. Nobody stands out. Nothing. And it's just like, they just want to be a part of a group, an ideology. And no matter how crazy the ideology is, whether you're getting into Scientology or everything like that, trans, vegan, communism, Antifa. It like, it gives you purpose or connected with somebody. And no, and it just gets into these really wild situations.

Starting point is 00:53:56 Uh, and this is it. So, and then Antifa shows up. So I'd love to hear about that as well. Yeah. Which that's sort of interesting thing is that of the interesting thing is that they appear to be strongly Antifa, anti-fascist, but it's so much of a minor part compared to some of the other wacky things that they believe. But yeah, so I've reported on Antifa in the streets.

Starting point is 00:54:22 I like to think I have somewhat of a handle of the movement. And basically the way I see it, what differentiates Antifa from other leftist groups is basically fighting fascism by any means necessary. So kind of the same, the ends justify the means. But the flip side of that coin is of course a very broad definition of fascism, which would include basically everyone on the right side of the political spectrum and most of the people on the left as well. You know, Antifa mostly gets out in the street to protest the right wingers, whether it's

Starting point is 00:54:56 Trump or whether it's like, you know, turning point USA, Charlie Kirk or something or Michael Knowles, but they have on occasion protested Democrats as well. You know I reported on Antifa black bloc style demonstration on election night 2020 where they were going out before the election was called to hold a protest saying we don't really like democracy. Okay so so Antifa, not really, not really fans of either side. I sort of lost where I was going with this. But basically, yeah, so there is, there is at least one, one member, and I believe multiple, that had definitely expressed this, this Antifa anti-fascist ideology online where we know, hey, this is, you know, one of the things things that the people were thinking about. Antifa is kind of like the purge.

Starting point is 00:55:53 I always feel like it's just like when you see these Antifa arrests happening, I mean, these protests, it's almost like they're just rich kids that just don't think the laws apply to them and they start committing crazy crimes. They're rioting, burning shit down, beating people up. And it just has kind of the purge, especially during like the BLM Antifa riots of like the 2019 and 2020 and all that stuff, or I don't know when they started, but that just seemed like it's like, hey, we're gonna commit stuff,

Starting point is 00:56:28 and even if we get arrested, we're gonna get let out. And that seems what this Antifa stuff seems to be. It's basically like Antifa has, the ideology gives you a fairly broad range of targets that you can use as an outlet for your aggression. You can smash business windows because capitalism is bad and you can go you can attack police officers or you can attack you can attack right wingers and get into fights with them and sort of scratch that itch in your brain.

Starting point is 00:56:57 And so for for the Zizziens, they have an even larger range of targets. It's not just people who are politically active and not communist. It's basically everyone, anyone who's not a vegan. Yeah. Anyone. So their range of targets is much more. So in terms of that, they're almost like super Antifa in some aspects of the ideology, where it's along the same lines, but it's so much more that they consider to be evil. Because that's, you know what, Antifa's sort of branding is oh we're fighting the Nazi everyone thinks the Nazis are bad right well they have their own definition of Nazis which which allows them to to attack you know everybody who are

Starting point is 00:57:37 obviously not Nazis and so so basically the Zizzians are like that but supercharged where it's even more people they can attack. Even more people, you know, who aren't... If they're not with us, they're against us. So we, the special people, we're working towards the greater good. And everyone else will probably ignore them unless they get in our way. Then we'll go straight to extreme violence because then people won't mess with us. That's kind of their ideology.

Starting point is 00:58:08 And so at Antifa, even people who go out in the street with the Antifa symbols, spray paint, A's on stuff, even most of them, they're still bailed by the general society's concept of morality. So most answer that even if they express stop, you know, fight Nazis by any means necessary, they're not actually going to go out and kill anyone or there would be a lot more murders because they might say that they might say they adhere to it, but they don't actually do that in practice. Right. Like if they really thought Trump was an ex-Hitler and they really believed in what they were saying there wouldn't have only been two assassination attempts, right?

Starting point is 00:58:51 Right, right. But the Zizians, they say this crazy stuff and then they actually do crazy stuff. Yeah, I mean they actually go through with it. They actually go through it, which is so crazy to me. Which is so, again, we get into that, these trans, these non-binary, Luigi Spaghetti, whatever his name is. He's, he's coming out, he's gay.

Starting point is 00:59:12 I mean, it's just unbelievable to me. Like, they don't give a shit, bro. They'll, they might be sensitive about words, but they will shoot a motherfucker, for sure. They don't give a shit. It's crazy to me, dude. Wow. It's, to me, dude. Wow.

Starting point is 00:59:26 It's just nuts to me. So we got four murders. We got Antifa. I mean, everything's into this thing. It's such a crazy ass. I mean, what a reality that is. You're so detached from our reality that you live in this new reality

Starting point is 00:59:43 where you end up just shooting and killing people and So so is this kind of getting into their ideology about murder versus terrorism? Is that what we're talking about right here? Yeah, and that's that's what I was just about to bring up is that Whether it's terrorism, I guess It's definitely bordering the line with terrorism guess it's definitely bordering the line with terrorism. But the interesting thing is that to some extent they just want to be left alone and play by their own rules. You know, they want to go out and live in the commune and I

Starting point is 01:00:16 guess not pay rent. But to some extent they want to do their own thing. So they're willing to murder people, but kind of just people who are playing by society's rules. Like police or trying to pull them over or whatnot. But they...so I mean I think their ideology would certainly not hold that it's immoral to commit like a major terrorist attack, but it's not necessarily, they just haven't done that so far because that doesn't really seem to align with their goals. So it's sort of interesting. It is interesting.

Starting point is 01:00:59 You're like, yeah, they believe animals are the equivalent of people. You know, they're vegans. They don't want to kill animals, are the equivalent of people. You know, they're vegans, they don't wanna kill animals, but they'll kill people. It's a weird kind of mental gymnastics that doesn't make sense to me. And you know, maybe they see the ends justify the means, meaning if I kill this person,

Starting point is 01:01:22 it allows for our ideology to move forward. Which is terrorism, right? That's kind of what terrorism is. Whatever organically terrorism is. Like I always say, there's an invisible hand of that problem reaction solution. But whatever the means justifies the ends, right? So it's like if I'm gonna kill this this this landlord well that justifies if it allows us to live our our ideal organic life that we want to live this kind of leave us alone in

Starting point is 01:01:57 on this compound it it's not murder it's it's a it's an act to allow us to achieve our goals. Yeah, and I think the murder definitely has that terrorism aspect to this, because it's basically like, don't mess with us, even if you're following the law, don't mess with us, because then we'll kill you. And so in that sense, it is using violence to accomplish, I guess, a political goal, whatever the definition definition for terrorism is but it's sort of an odd sort of

Starting point is 01:02:29 terrorism because it's mostly a defensive focused terrorist and it's also very specific and shoot people it's well if I'm walking down the street and you try to stop me BAM you're dead yeah it's also kind of like well if Bob is being a dick I'm gonna I'm gonna kill Bob and it's not, it's also kind of like, well, if Bob is being a dick, I'm going to kill Bob, and it's not murder, it's an act of terrorism. It's like, it's not really, it's interesting. It's a weird way of thinking from a bunch of people

Starting point is 01:02:56 who have a weird way of thinking, you know? It blows my mind. It's like, oh, I'm not committing murder. I didn't murder Bob. I committed terrorism Which is like what like where do you even draw the line with terrorism? Because like if you go up and and walk down the street and smash some windows because you like smashing windows Well, that's a crime, but it's not really terrorism But now if you're Antifa and you're smashing those windows because you have some political goal,

Starting point is 01:03:26 you're trying to terrorize people, you're trying to make them scared, you want to let them know that you're evil because you're a capitalist, so we'll destroy your property. Now that kind of is adjacent to terror. Though obviously low level compared to actually killing people, but it's like, like is murder worse because you had a reason for it? Like if you shoot someone just because you're mad at them versus shooting them because you want to send a message, like is one worse than the other?

Starting point is 01:03:52 No, I agree. You're still killing people. It is crazy, dude. It is a crazy, crazy, crazy thing, man. And so where are we at with them? Are they all off the streets? Are there still some roaming? Are they all off the streets? Are there still some run roaming? Are they being hunted down by the authorities? Do the authorities kill? Are they doing catch-and-release?

Starting point is 01:04:11 We're like, come on your little chance go out there have them come on. Come on. Just be cool. Just chill out Yeah, so my understanding is that there's there's two of them there and that are in jail from that first sword assault on the landlord. I believe they've been, they've kind of been having trouble keeping them in jail after the witness was murdered. Because if you don't have a witness, are you going to be able to go to trial? But I think my understanding is that they're still in jail. You know, the guy who's accused of murdering the landlord is in jail. The woman who survived the shootout in Vermont is in jail. And I believe it was just this week they arrested La Soda and two other members

Starting point is 01:04:56 of this group in Western Maryland. Sort of in a rural area of Maryland. So that would, let me use all my fingers, I think that would be seven members arrested and then two more members who are dead. So if there are still members at large, there aren't very many of them. And so they probably haven't charged them with all the crimes they've done. But I think at this point, most of them are being held pretrial in some way for various charges. And I think probably what we'll see as they make the connections is that there will be more charges against each of them.

Starting point is 01:05:41 Because you know, you have the shooting in Vermont using a gun that's registered to another one I suspect there there's more ties to the police will find as they actually start to investigate this so the FBI actually did a raid in Chatham County which is somewhat near where I live in North Carolina you know part of the area that I cover where I think it was, I think it was about, I think it was two weeks ago, two or three weeks ago, basically the FBI did this big raid in this quiet neighborhood, you know, a little down the highway from a city,

Starting point is 01:06:18 so kind of a quiet neighborhood, not quite rural, but almost there. So that, you know, the FBI flood in, they're searching the neighborhood and it turns out this is where they had been camping out in North Carolina. I think they had rented a couple Airbnbs in this neighborhood and they had also parked their box shucks there that they had been living in.

Starting point is 01:06:40 Dude, it's crazy. I'm looking at this thing that someone posted on your timeline, any of these, oh, no, he's asking if I'm looking at this thing that someone posted on your timeline. Any of these? Oh, no. He's asking if they're associated with it. Man, it is so crazy. So they raided something and what'd they find? Sorry about that. Yeah, so I'm not sure. They haven't disclosed that they found anything in this raid, but it did kind of show that, hey, after know, after this Vermont shooting they're finally taking the group seriously. This was a raid by the FBI, and then now, you know, we just heard that they ended up

Starting point is 01:07:11 arresting three of them in Maryland, so I think it kind of seems like the police are finally getting involved with some, perhaps, federal coordination to say, okay, these aren't just random acts of violence. No, these are all connected, and hey, maybe we should kind of dig down to the bottom of this and find all the connections so that we can make sure we charge each of them with each of the crimes they've been involved in. Because otherwise it's like, if you're involved in a murder but you're only arrested for assault, well you're going to get off on a lot less and you're going to be out a lot sooner versus if they can actually find all the connections

Starting point is 01:07:47 and be like, well, no, you did this. You were an accessory in this murder. You helped out with this. And so, you know, hopefully they can put all those ties together. Now, which one is Lesota? Is it the one with the kind of the brownish hair? Do you have a picture of her is?

Starting point is 01:08:05 I don't know if you can see it on there, but is that her is that the one right there? Yes. Yes Depends whether you use his preferred pronouns, you know, he was born Jack LaSota He's also identified as I believe Andrea Phelps. He's gone by that name and he also goes by ziz so Yeah, that's him, you know, kind of a, kind of a certain look in his eyes that you wouldn't necessarily want to be staring down in person, especially if he's armed with a samurai sword. That's so crazy.

Starting point is 01:08:39 That is so crazy, dude. All this is nuts. We're gonna link all of it, man. Stephen, thank you so much for spending some time with me, man. Is there anything we didn't cover? It was a great discussion, dude. Thank you for doing your research.

Starting point is 01:08:53 I'm gonna link it all in there so people can check it out. I appreciate you coming on, brother. Yeah, thank you for having me. And once again, shout out to Andy Ngo. He's done a lot of the ground work, a lot of the police sources that got a lot of this information out there that,

Starting point is 01:09:10 otherwise we might not know about. I'll link him in there. I'll link your stuff in there so everyone will know. And yeah, man, we really appreciate it. And I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. It was an emergency episode. We gotta do it now. I thought it was a great topic after William brought it up.

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Starting point is 01:12:02 this group of people who have kind of like Try to convince us that you know alternative lifestyles are unicorns and you know when I grew up You know trans cross dressers all that stuff. They were outlaws They were on the the fringe and that's where they lived and that's where they wanted to live and now Got kind of the shoe horning going on and again everybody live your life I'm never gonna be one of those. And again, everybody live your life. I'm never gonna be one of those people to tell you how to live your life. As long as you are not hurting anybody,

Starting point is 01:12:33 do whatever you want at home. I don't care, as long as you're not hurting anybody, and particularly children you won't hear from me, that's between you and God. God gave us free will, and that's what you can exercise, and then you could deal with that during the, when you find out if you're going to heaven or not. You know, that's really my opinion.

Starting point is 01:12:53 Again, I have a bunch of friends I think are no longer with us because they couldn't handle their sexuality. And that's my whole opinion. Some people aren't going to like that and there's nothing you could do about that. You can't make everybody happy. But again, this notion that, you know, uh, this is some kind of form of higher form of, uh, understanding and vibration. When I drive down Hollywood all the time and I see homeless people dressed as trans wearing wigs, you know, whacked out on drugs, you know, and then we get into the whole discussion

Starting point is 01:13:25 about like suicides and all that stuff, and people wanna be like, it's societal norms. I'm like, or it's drugs you're on in lifestyle, which tends to be pretty dangerous, right? I mean, that's it. Again, if you're on blockers or you're on hormone therapy or whatever that is, you can't tell me it doesn't cause psychological issues. Seeing that we see advertisements all the time on the internet or on television

Starting point is 01:13:52 for over the counter stuff, or even like prescription medication for nothing like changing your hormones. And they're all like, could cause suicidal thoughts, Alpers Wenger, death, whatever it is. So, I think we're living in a time where people are starting to again, we're getting to this place of common sense where it's like live your life. We don't care. I really don't. You know, we need to get back to social contracts. We need to have an agreement that in public, we all chill but back agreement that in public we all chill.

Starting point is 01:14:26 But back to the, yeah dude, these guys are whack jobs. Cult leaders are just crazy people right now. Like some dude in a dress figured out the truth of the universe. I mean just crazy shit. And it just goes to show you if you're confident enough in what you're saying, people will listen, right? Oh, well, what do you think Tim Fowl had is? okay, maybe dude, I don't know man, you know, uh But it's interesting and we've seen a lot more of the violence, you know, we again

Starting point is 01:14:55 I'm somebody who believes they've hardwired mysticism and we're seeing that they could send out a a Vibration so now frequency that triggers people. I really do believe that. That's how they get people to act up right after events they don't want people discussing. Obama gets Obama, you know, some scandal busts out with Obama next day, there's a shooting at the Kansas City Chief Super Bowl game. I mean mean it's

Starting point is 01:15:25 just that's just how it is. That's how powerful this stuff is. This is how they you know so yeah yeah I mean like our the whole thing of cultural Marxism is what is the quote let me see 1984 quote. By the way, yesterday I started reading 1984. Not to believe. Hold on. Here we go. This is the quote. The part that told you ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. He wondered, as he had many times wondered before, whether he himself was a lunatic, right?

Starting point is 01:16:08 That's all this That is all of that That is what we're talking about here You know, I mean this notion that that people want to live a certain lifestyle again live your life I'm not judging anybody. I don't care. You do you boo. Okay. But to sit there and be like, it is, it is like unicorn shit is absolutely ridiculous. And that's kind of where we're at right now. Live your life. Okay. You want your guy, you want to dress like a girl, you, listen dude, and by the way, women dressing like men

Starting point is 01:16:45 is way more acceptable in society. We all have PE teachers, our FedEx people, hairstylists, they've been doing that forever. But a dude dressing like a chick weirds people out. It just weirds them out. And that's just the way it is, man. And you know, like for me, you know, I pick a, a certain, uh, let's say lane.

Starting point is 01:17:11 I like to talk politics. I like to talk conspiracies. I like to talk about the darker side of society, our culture, cause I find it interesting. That brings a certain energy and that certain energy brings a, uh, just, you know, that certain energy, um, turn some people off, weird, some people out, but you just got to pick your, pick your poison, bro. How do you want to live your life? Most people are simple and that's okay.

Starting point is 01:17:43 Nobody hates them for it. I say live your life guys real quick. and that's okay. Nobody hates them for it. I say live your life. Guys, real quick. So that's it. I'm not surprised by it. I think people are gullible. I think people whacked out on drugs. Ruining their body chemistry. A lot more susceptible to a lot of stuff.

Starting point is 01:18:01 I also think that over the past, we've had certain, again, live your life. I mean, do you guys see that actress who is an actor, now she's an actress, she's complaining about her passport being changed to mail? You see that chick, you're like, that's a chick. You're like, nope, nope.. You're like, nope. Nope. These trans are like iPhones are just getting slicker and slicker.

Starting point is 01:18:31 And I've trans friends. I don't care. Live your life. I don't care. I don't care. But I'm also not going to go like, this is totally normal. And it's totally normal. You know, it's just is what it is. You look at all these NBA players are hooking up with trans left and right. They're just bored. So I say, live your life. I don't judge you live your life, but don't kill people. How about that? Don't kill people, leave kids alone.

Starting point is 01:18:56 We don't need to be pushing this stuff on children. When they turn 18, they could do whatever them they want. Like themselves up like a Christmas tree. Okay. That's it. They want like themselves up like a Christmas tree. Okay, that's it If you want to have programs for the 1% that wants this then put a program together Just let kids live their life. It's hard enough to be a kid You don't have to have this being pushed on you then you have confused white progressive parents trying to have you as a trophy

Starting point is 01:19:22 Trying to use you as a trophy like a matter and so. It's so trans. It's like some of these people have like three trans kids It's like impossible possible Statistically impossible, but I guess I know somebody who has like two trans She's pretty normal. I guess I don't know man. Maybe the rules are just changing as we go, but teach their own I don't care. You won't hear me tell you how to live your life. You know, everybody's behavior and actions are between them and God and whatever that may be. Okay, guys, if you go to samtriplee.com, if you could, I want you guys to check it out.

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Starting point is 01:22:24 Here's a clip from the latest broken SIM. Kathleen Kennedy is officially retiring from Lucasfilm. I thought they fired her. Well, perhaps. Or she was stepping down. That today it was, she announced she's retiring from. It's just like Trudeau. He's like, yeah, I resigned. He's still working. Well, that was last year. So I couldn't be happier about that this is a woman who has overseen the dismantling of The greatest film property in the history the golden egg the goose that laid a golden egg literally she Destroyed I mean think about what she did to Star Wars dude. Yeah, it was that when they inherited it It was like oh god, this is good. No, it was the buying of it was like, let's go. Listen, dude, here's the thing, man.

Starting point is 01:23:07 There's this notion that like, certain things that women do, women only understand, right? And you see it all the time. It's like why most your morning television is women. Cause the whole belief is that mom stay home, right? That's who's watching television during the day, right? women because the whole belief is that mom stay home right that's yeah that's who's watching television during the day right and that's why the view can be decades old and never have a male on there right because nobody cares right

Starting point is 01:23:35 but there is no sentiment that something for guys is just a guy thing so I was seeing this whole thing I think it was it was top rate boxing or something on the zone or I forget what it was TNT boxing. It was two women color calling the boxing match. It's so annoying. Have you ever met in your life, a girl, a woman come up to you and talk boxing never ever ever I mean Sarah Tiana talks football she talks baseball I can listen to her she's really good at it okay but that is a unicorn oh it's so disappointing and even if you can say you can get the five people in your life and you're googling people to remember

Starting point is 01:24:22 their names it's not you're not gonna get to remember their names. It's not, you're not going to get past five. They ruined boxing by the way, Dazon and all of HBO, let go of Lampley and that whole crew just destroyed. Getting rid of HBO after dark. So Johnny, what have we said before here? Baseball, ESPN dropped all this baseball. Yeah, we talked about it last week. What do you think that has to do with,

Starting point is 01:24:44 oh, maybe because guys don't want to hear women talking baseball. Yeah. Nobody's going to tune in. No, totally. And it's going to take, and I hope and nobody's talking about real quick. Sorry to coach off, but no one's talking about everyone's like the game sucks. It's also the people that are paid to hype basketball are not interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I'm hoping now that Bob Iger, but just being a practical businessman at Disney, that he'll try to get somebody like Johnny Dave Filoni, a real nerd to step up or like John Favreau, somebody who actually cares about Star Wars, a guy.

Starting point is 01:25:18 Yeah. And maybe they'll step up and but Johnny, it's gonna be so hard to write the ship. Oh, so hard because they they fuck the camera because because the whole middle of the Organization is libtard brain rot No And that's why the only way to do it really is what's happening in our government right now It's just burn it all out man And that's what those is doing you're seeing did you see it like it's gonna be one of our stories at HUD

Starting point is 01:25:41 Somebody who works at HUD put up on the screen, this AI footage of Trump sucking Elon Musk's toes. Yeah. We had a big argument on conspiracy social club about that. Oh really? Yeah. We had a big argument. What? What was the argument? Like Dylan thought it was fine. And I thought it's like, Hey dude, this is a public, this is a government building and you're showing this video and it's like try presenting as punk rock. You work for the government. Yeah. No, no, they should be fired. They should be fine. They will. Okay. And it's just like, and Johnny, we both, maybe not you, but I discussed, I have a porn addiction. Do you think I'm approved?

Starting point is 01:26:24 Yeah, of course not. No. Do you think I'm like, Oh, Oh, I do. Like I'm a porn addiction. Do you think I'm a prude? Yeah, of course not. Do you think I'm like, oh, oh I do like I'm grabbing my pearls No, it's just like we have to get back to social contracts. We have to that's the only way we're gonna save society is Going chill the fuck out looking for the ultimate online casino experience the fuck out. or play the dazzling MGM Grand Emerald Nights, a slot experience that captures the magic of MGM. With so many games, it's time to make your move. Download the app and visit BetMGM Ontario today to experience the next level of gaming. Visit betmgm.com for terms and conditions, 19 plus to wager, Ontario only.

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Starting point is 01:27:40 There's a small chance, like a very small chance, right? Trump, if you're listening, legalize vigilantes, legalize it. It's time to legalize vigilantes, dude. Okay? These Democrats have allowed these criminals run crazy. Republicans legalize vigilante work. Would you be out on the streets bro? I would get a posse and just roam my street. What does this have to do with the HUD thing? I don't know. What did the vigilanteism, what does that have to do with HUD? Well, it just goes back to this whole thing about, like, the left has completely and utterly set fire to all of our social norms. And like, you can go, well, there's some norms that should be gone like the

Starting point is 01:28:25 way interracial people couples were looked at yeah we should get rid of that yeah it's like let you live your life whoever you love is whoever you love oh I thought you may get rid of interracial oh okay Johnny I love that that North Carolina came out there real quick um but you know couple of those things like that it's like live your life who gives a shit? But it's like you dress like a dog being pulled through the food court. I don't need to see it. No, put it away. Yeah. Fly your freak flag at home. Modesty. So, so, but I will say though, I laughed, but then I was like, this guy, this guy has, I mean, you got to find out who this is and fire them. Johnny, Johnny, the people that are cheering that

Starting point is 01:29:07 Were the people that saw that didn't think it was weird that Saturday Night Live Did it lampoon? Biden at all for and it cost them their viewership. Okay to be think both are funny, but that guy works for the government Listen, yes, Johnny. I would retweet that if it was on Twitter, if it was on Instagram, Pornhub, wherever that that video of Trump sucking Elon. I would have laughed my ass off and retweeted it. Should be on the TV's at HUD. At a government office? No, it's wrong. I mean like why is that acceptable? Like I'm not approved. I'm just like we gotta get back to social contracts.

Starting point is 01:29:45 Deals, okay? We all chill in public, right? So the reason I bring this up and why it connects to what you're talking about, Disney, is that there's this whole phone call going around, right? Of Karen Bass. Oh, oh yeah. Okay, hold on. Can you find that? Oh, this dude, this is

Starting point is 01:30:08 I got it in our news stories here. Like it's almost like she knows she's being recorded. So she talks like the craziest thing. Like she sounds like she's ordering 101 Dalmatians. Like this is the voice she's doing like a Cruella DeVille like why it sounds like to me that she's Doesn't want to be overheard by the people that are around her Yeah, she's kind of talking low this I don't know this really should have been I sent this to a bunch of people I the only person who got back to me was Eddie Bravo when I got busted. I got back to you Yeah, you and Eddie Bravo Dude, this is so insane and you can say what you you want about, uh, o'keefe

Starting point is 01:30:50 I think he's doing great work. I might have sent it to you after you already heard it That's what it was. Uh, but yeah, james o'keefe. Yeah, dude. I i'm okay with that guy That that guy's to me. I don't know anything about his background I know there's some weirdness with some of the things he's done. But to me that guy's a hero All right. I don't know shit. All right. So this is Karen Bass for you. If you're not in LA politics, this is the mayor of Los Angeles who was away during the fires.

Starting point is 01:31:13 This is three days before the first fire started before anybody was talking about fire. Yeah, this is right before she's about to go to Ghana. Right. Exactly. Johnny here. It's 3 a.m. I just finished editing the episode. I'm about to upload it Ghana. Right. Exactly. Johnny here. It's 3 a.m. I just finished editing the

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Starting point is 01:31:56 All right, here's Karen Bass again, three days, January 4th, the fire started January 7th. And if President Biden mixed, no, just in terms of my trip, just so you know, I'm missing two work days. That's it. And if President Biden extends me an invitation, I took it and hopefully you can read in between the lines that I would just appreciate just in the time for me to tell you this, but, um, hold tight. You will just appreciate. Just, and it's hard for me to tell you this, but hold tight, you will understand. What?

Starting point is 01:32:31 So creepy. If you'd like to hear the rest of this episode, subscribe to Broken Simulation in your podcasting app, or check us out at youtube.com slash Sam Trippoli. We go deep home, boys. Karen, open your mind. Drink from the fountain of love. We go deep home, boys. Aaron, open your mind. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere.

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