Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #872: The Tupac Cover Up and The Gangster Rap Psyop With RJ Bond

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Starting point is 00:00:52 Use the promo code tinfoil and get in on the precious smells game for as little as $50 a month sent directly to your house. Today's topic is the Tupac coverup. We're very excited to have this guest on. He has a new doc out that's currently on Tubi called Tupac cover up. We're very excited to have this guest on. He has a new doc out that's currently on Tubi called Tupac Cover Up. And he has a podcast called The Tupac Assassination, the podcast on that podcast network.

Starting point is 00:01:17 Please welcome to the show, RJ Bond. How are you, sir? Greetings, greetings. I am doing well and I really appreciate you giving me the opportunity to come on and plug the projects. Well we're excited to have it. This is a topic I love to talk about because it's just, you know, especially for people my age, it was such a big moment there. I believe I was in Vegas at the time when it happened.

Starting point is 00:01:39 Oh shit. So yeah dude, I think I was going to college then. So it's a big deal. And it's like kind of an end of an era, an ushering in of new hip hop. So I'm very excited to talk about it. RJ, for those who may not be familiar with you, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and where our listeners can find you? Sure. The podcast was called the Tupac Assassination Podcast because the first documentary that I did, this is going back to 2007

Starting point is 00:02:07 that I did was called Tupac assassination conspiracy or revenge and Since that time almost 20 years now I've been knee-deep in the investigation of the case all the different ways that it goes and all the interesting people that you meet along the way I started originally not having any intention of covering any of it. You know, I was a cowboy. I would, you know, rode on my horse and had my boots and literally and didn't, didn't, in the early 90s didn't care about any of that.

Starting point is 00:02:39 But I was fortunate enough to meet a fellow by the name of Frank Alexander and we struck up a great friendship. He was godfather to meet a fellow by the name of Frank Alexander and we struck up a great friendship. He was godfather to my kids. But he was Tupac's bodyguard the night that Tupac was killed. So, we struck up a great friendship and one day as fate would have it, the conversation kind of rolled around about well, there's a story to be told here and I had gotten into doing some other film production anyway. But Frank and I partnered up and we kind of told the story and

Starting point is 00:03:11 put it out on the front page in 2007. And ever since then, even though Frank passed in 2013, we're still telling the story. And it just seems to be this never-ending development of events. And new information constantly keeps coming out and you know this story's gotten bigger and bigger now with the you know with everything going on with uh P Diddy uh everything involved with that and uh just like his role in all of this it's kind of crazy because you know Just like his role in all of this. It's kind of crazy cuz you know, I

Starting point is 00:03:49 Don't know man when you heard them rapping about shootings and all that stuff I guess I I bought into it, but man when it really happened it that was so crazy to me It's almost it's like manifestation if you sing about something long enough. It's gonna happen to you Yep, and it's it's it's it's just a crazy ass story So the Tupac cover-up is a nice is a doc on to be where do you want to start? Well, it's a six-part docu-series and that so that tells you there's a lot going on there You know, we we we get into it deep and and you know, you brought up a good point Michael Michael T Williamson who you know is bubble brought up a good point. Michael T. Williamson, who, you know, is Bubba Gump and Forrest Gump, he's on our show and the cover up and he made a similar comment.

Starting point is 00:04:32 He said, you know, they almost prophesied their own demise. He and Biggie almost prophesied their own demise. And he said, they kept doing it. And then finally, death came calling. And it was really deep. I mean, it was really deep. And there's a lot going on with that genre of hip hop or what was labeled as gangster rap.

Starting point is 00:04:53 And then it got even weirder with drill rap. Like obviously I'm in my 50s. I don't really follow the drill rap thing, but... I don't understand it at all. So you're welcome to there. Yeah. Yeah. I'm baffled. We have the young Xavier Guerrero with us whenever we want to hear what the kids are doing we'll ask him but you know it just like that stuff like they're they're admitting the murders and all that stuff it's like the

Starting point is 00:05:16 crazy so the thing is they'll go they'll go commit a murder and then they'll rap about it in their songs to like justify like oh, I just shot the person so it's even more They're just incriminating themselves Wow the dumbest thing in the world a bunch of dumbasses they Know telling on yourself there well, and I've heard That the courts now like in down in Alabama and Texas where they're a little bit more You know rigid with their court system in Texas where they're a little bit more rigid with their court system. They actually are trying to hold these guys accountable for that what they wrote in their music was an admission of their guilt.

Starting point is 00:05:55 And the funny thing is there are some people that'll cop to it and say that they killed somebody and never did, but they're going to hold them accountable anyway. Say, well, you say you did it, so you did it. And that's a trip. Yeah, well, that's these kids now. They're really dumb. And they'll film themselves committing crimes for social media.

Starting point is 00:06:13 Or they'll rob somewhere, and then they'll show all the cash. And it's just like, yeah. We have a shirt on this show that says, the new common sense is the new punk rock. And it really is. I mean, there's so many people that really lack common sense. But, you know, and it's interesting because you get into like this whole genre of like, you know,

Starting point is 00:06:39 I mean, I'm just gonna be honest with you. All these guys are kind of gang bangers. And then you kind of find out that they're down low brothers as well. And that seems to be a common theme, all these guys are kind of gang bangers, and then you kind of find out that they're down low brothers as well. And that seems to be a common theme within a lot of this. Like early videos of Tupac coming out being very sassy, and everyone's like, what is that? And you also get into the role of the intelligence agencies

Starting point is 00:07:00 promoting lifestyles to this demographic that I think is a very powerful demographic, but they've been so propagandized for so long into the low vibrational activity of gang banging. And you know, like if you look at like female black rappers right now, it is like nuts what they're promoting. And it's like all this promise you know like promiscuity. It's life is a strip club that's their you know their their whole angle life is a strip club. And do you think it'll swing back though Sam?

Starting point is 00:07:34 I already see it is. I think a lot of people are seeing through what is being pushed on them and again it's like you know we talk all the time about all these huge content creators that nobody understands how they're as big as they are. But you know, it's like when the hidden hand, which we always talk about in the show, the hidden hand wants to promote you, the best way to promote you is showing you to everybody,

Starting point is 00:08:03 you know, and promoting you on the front page of YouTube, putting you on the radio back in the day when MTV was, um, uh, big thing showing your video. Like if you got into this, into the, the, the circle of, of, of all the videos they kept showing you, you know, on, uh, you were huge. You were, you were just- There's no mistake. There's no mistake there. When YouTube wants to promote somebody and they pick whoever it is they're going to pick,

Starting point is 00:08:32 Mr. Beast didn't just come out of nowhere. Right. I mean, he kind of literally did just come out of nowhere. But you've got to remember that YouTube can promote whoever they want to, to make it look appetite for the sponsors. That the sponsor, you know, know hey look at this guy you know you're a sponsor who might be prone to advertising at a certain demographic well what YouTube will do is they'll move all those views and they'll shift all that views and that traffic to a couple of big sites or sites they'll actually build

Starting point is 00:08:59 up to make it look attractive for these guys to say, hey, look at now, it just so happens, you like those guys? Well, we'll put you over here with this channel and it's got a bazillion subscribers and a bazillion gazillion views. Who went there? Who really actually saw it? I agree, dude.

Starting point is 00:09:17 Who knows? I totally agree. Yeah, I don't think there's any mistakes about it. I mean, because I look at half the content that I see on these, there's one guy I can actually say may earn it. And that's the guy that goes out to the middle of nowhere in the snow and he has a survival show and he goes out and he, you know, will kill a deer or go out and build an igloo. You know, he gets like 12 million views, but I kind of understand it because everybody

Starting point is 00:09:41 I've talked to, I've mentioned it and they go, yeah, we've seen that guy. So you know, I think he's probably one of the outliers, but yeah, I understand how this is. But it's like if they can put you on that front page of YouTube, they put you there long enough, you will be big, you will blow up, and you know, Dana Carvey had a funny thought, not to be crude here,

Starting point is 00:10:01 but he said if you took a bowl of shit, and you put it on television, you could tour that bowl of shit around around and people would come and see it. Yeah. And you know the best I would love if Joe Rogan and he's so busy anyways Joe just to see if his dog could sell tickets his dog's got like 400,000 followers if he just said hey I forget the dog's name Mandy or something like that it's gonna be at this theater how many people show up to see the dog just play catch. Not only that he could sell tickets for people to bring their dogs with them. Yes two tickets yeah yeah we see it all the time. So so I

Starting point is 00:10:43 was at the mothership one day and Andrew Schultz was headlining the main room and I got to sit down with him and he's such a good dude. When I got my YouTube channel taken down, he called me up and he helped me get it back, him and Rogan. So I'm very blessed that they showed me kindness with that. But he asked me, why do you think Obama is getting outed right now for, you know, the guy who said he smoked crack with him, you know, Big Mike, whatever that is.

Starting point is 00:11:16 Look at that. And you know, I told him, and I don't think he was happy with the answer, but I still believe it 100%. And that is demoralization. There is a lot of pride in the black community. There's, let's be honest, some homophobia there as well. And if you kind of show them that their cultural icons

Starting point is 00:11:37 are in fact, down low brothers, that can be devastating. And that's what's all about, demoralization. So you see that with this hip-hop stuff where all these guys There's questions on what they had to do to get those record labels what they had to do to do all that So this genre super interesting to me and and I want to get into your movie But I think especially when it comes to like gangster rap and stuff like that. I think you people really Get confused. They start to confuse their culture for their heritage. Yeah, good point. And they don't realize that culture tends to be developed in a think tank

Starting point is 00:12:15 and is pushed down by again, we see influencers like we you know, the the right just got busted where all the influencers were like putting out like trying to, Hey, we should have lost soda to be, uh, you know, EBT cards to buy soda when it's like they're pushing, they're pushing and they all put out the same tweet and they all got busted being basically. Very curated. Yeah. It's very curated. The whole thing, you know, it's very organized, very curated.

Starting point is 00:12:39 Uh, you know, they play the song, everybody marches to the same, same drum beat. 100%. So we see this with this kind of, you know, cause you see interviews with old rappers. They're like, dude, there was never gunfire back in the day. If you were going to get in a fight, it was all fist fights. And then, you know, NWA comes out with a bunch of like LARPs, man, like live action role players, like guys who were not who they were saying. I say this all the time you know Ice Cube is Larry the Cable Guy of

Starting point is 00:13:09 hip-hop he's playing a role he came from two he went to a private school he had two parents who had who worked for the city he wasn't that guy but he's great at lyrics but he plays this role and I love NWA but I really do think they're CIA's Psyop. Well, I'll tell you it's funny on the podcast, we just taped the podcast for this week yesterday and we had on a guy by the name of Arnie Villarreal and he was a narcotics officer on the Compton PD from 1988 all the way through the end of the 90s. So if you're gonna talk to anybody whose boots on the ground

Starting point is 00:13:43 regarding any of this stuff, he's the guy. And as we were talking, he was saying, you know, like ice cube, none of them lived in Compton. They all wrapped in Compton. Ice Cube was like from Long Beach or Snoop was from Long Beach. And I think one of the guys lived in Carson, which is a suburb, another suburb of L.A. And none of them on a good day would ever step foot in Compton. They all like to brag about it or have some hold. And I said, well, really, how many of them did you ever actually see? You're the narcotics guy in Compton PD.

Starting point is 00:14:14 You're going to see all these cats and run around that, you know, and it's like, no, none of these guys stepped foot. They all tried to claim it, but none of these guys had ever stepped foot in Compton and I just thought that was the most hilarious thing in the world that these fellas were just nowhere to be found You know like you said with that I see it's true. Oh, yeah, Johnny I don't know if you were were you in it ever an NWA guy were you over into them? Little before my time. Yeah I mean I came much later to to that era of hip-hop

Starting point is 00:14:45 But it was after the fact that that was before my time. I 100% believe that he the only real one in there was easy He seemed like he was the only lid and he was from cotton He's yeah, he did say he was seen in Compton He wasn't seen doing a lot of the stuff you'd expect him to be seeing. He'd be going to the liquor store or something like that. Wouldn't be anything nefarious. But he was the only one that was actually from Compton that actually had anything to

Starting point is 00:15:15 do with Compton. All right. Let's get into your doc. But real quick, I'm going to be in Detroit this weekend. Then I'm going to be in Tacoma. I'm going to be at, oh, before that, I'm going to be at our boy, Xavier Guerrero's. We don't joke the same show on April 3rd. And I have more dates and I got a big date coming up. It's not until January, but I finalized, guys.

Starting point is 00:15:35 I'm headlining the main room at the Comedy Mothership in January. So it's going to be a big event. So I hope everyone in Austin, dude, it's going gonna be a big event so I hope everyone in Austin dude it's gonna be a big time I'm getting my own weekend there I wanna thank Joe Rogan out of me for that so let's get into it. Fantastic. Thank you man it's a big deal for me I'm very excited about that won't be till January but let's all let's all come out make an event dude. You got plenty of time to make arrangements for your kids and

Starting point is 00:16:03 everything else I would love to get my kids out to Austin, but that's a different show for a different time. So let's get into, we talked about your doc, the upcoming trial of Keith D is very interesting. I mean, it seems like we're finally starting to get into it, huh? Yeah, you know, and it's funny,

Starting point is 00:16:24 we had a great segue, because a minute ago ago we were just talking about a bunch of cats who claimed stuff and started claiming about the murders and claiming that they'd done this or claiming that they had done that, regardless of whether or not they actually had. You know, you got a lot more acclaimed they had than actually did and all the, you know, the falsies that claimed to be from Compton that worked. You got this guy, Keith Davis, or Dwayne Davis is his real name, Dwayne Keefe D. Davis, everybody knows him as Keefe D. And you got this guy that right around 2018 just suddenly exploded on the map.

Starting point is 00:16:54 I wonder what we're talking about, 22 years into the investigation, the shooting happened in 1996. Suddenly, 22 years later, this cat comes out of nowhere and he's doing YouTube interviews and he's doing a book and he's doing a TV show, Death Row Chronicles, and he's telling this whole story about not only was he in the car with the guy that they say shot Tupac, but he somehow was involved with getting a gun and, and it was to say it was kind of surprising was, was the understatement. What made it more interesting to me though

Starting point is 00:17:32 was that nobody did anything about it. Nobody cares. So crazy. Yeah. Nobody cared because they all thought the same thing I did. Oh, it's just another guy. You know, they say actually it's true statistic. They say that over 31,000 people have called to Las Vegas PD over the last three decades and have claimed to have had killed to Pachacor 31,000 people have made that claim I mean they said Oprah did it I mean you know it just it gets it gets nuts they said we know about Oprah now well yeah yeah kind of high. Yeah, kind of high. Yeah, it makes him look like Nostradamus.

Starting point is 00:18:07 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But so this guy comes out and his claims just kind of died off. 2019, 2020 just kind of died off. And then suddenly in 2023, Vegas police wake, you know, suddenly you got, I mean, it looked like Siegfried and Roy was out there the lights and everything and Raiding his house and then they come and arrest the guy I searched one the rest of guys short time later and they've gotten him sitting in jail even sitting in jail for a year and a half and You know to be perfectly honest with you

Starting point is 00:18:38 Having studied this is for as long as I have and I kind of buck the traditional narrative of who they say did it and all That but and I've done that for traditional narrative of who they say did it and all that. But and I've done that for years. When I look at this guy, I'm like, you know, what is this? Is this justice or is this blame? I mean, is Vegas? I'd hate to be the guy that was the Vegas PD detective around between September 6th, 7th and the 13th, which is the week that Tupac was shot on the 7th and he died on the 13th.

Starting point is 00:19:03 Every year I would hate to be that detective because you imagine every Tom, Dick, and Harry is calling up every year going, hey, what's going on with the case? And now you've got every YouTuber, every influencer of Tom, Dick, and Harry that's going to call. I would take a vacation that week. I'd be gone. I would be just, I would just be, I wouldn't even be bothered with it. But I think that Vegas just decided that regardless of whether or not we just can't do this anymore. And in cover up, we actually talk about a lot of the reasons why, and it wasn't

Starting point is 00:19:30 what everybody thinks that it is in terms of what got Vegas off their butts to finally actually do something. I mean, I don't agree with what they're doing, but at least they're doing something. They're not doing nothing. And cover-up came as a result of that. We talk about, for several of the episodes, we talk about how all the way back to the day of the shooting and before the shooting, there was a group of self-interested individuals that when the shooting actually happened, there was a lot of nonsense that happened that night, but there was, when the shooting actually happened, within an hour of the shooting, there was already

Starting point is 00:20:05 an explanation formulated. Okay. And if that sounds familiar, shades of JFK, you know, every, yeah, all these PSI ops, all these coverups, they, they had already, they had already figured it out within minutes of the shooting. They had already figured it out. They laid the guy, they pinned the guy that they thought did it. And this guy's greatest crime up until then was that there were a couple of Compton

Starting point is 00:20:26 Cops that were eating lunch at McDonald's or something like that and he shot at him So they had this kind of vendetta they didn't like that. So whenever it came time he happened to be in Vegas at that time So why not? Why the hell not and nobody actually even understands why he was in Vegas to begin with so that makes it even weirder Hey guys, you know the markets are getting crazy. Yeah, weirder. Silver. Join the Wolf Pack now trust me because if you're paying attention you know the de-dollarization is real. Fiat is fake and you don't want to be left holding the bag with the dollar class. Gold and silver have been money through all of recorded history and are an excellent way to protect yourself from inflation and geopolitical turmoil. That's why I trust

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Starting point is 00:23:29 if you're saying they already have a story, they already have basically who they think did it, the story of it, how early do you think the plot began? Well I think in terms of the, I think, I do believe that there was a, like I said, a group of self-interested individuals. We had the Tupac Carpenter, we've got the FBI, the lead investigator for the FBI that was in on this case, Phil Carson. And great dude, he comes out and he lets the world know that the chief of security of the head of security for death row records was an

Starting point is 00:24:12 FBI informant the entire time he was there okay that he was there Shug Knight's number one guy at death row records okay his head of security who arranges all the protection and bodyguards and everything like that was a confidential Informant for the FBI and I'll make it better He says and he made no mistake that he wanted to take over death or records make no mistake about it He wanted sugar gone. He wanted to take over death or records Wow So when you talk about something that predates Anything that happened that night and of course that night there was a whole bunch of tomfoolery that happened.

Starting point is 00:24:49 I mean it was stupid. Guards didn't have radios. They told them not to carry weapons. That's so convenient. There was all this nonsense that happened that night that defies everybody's explanation. It's just a head scratcher. Would you say the fight was a coincidence or just random? Oh yeah. So let's get into that before we get into the subjects.

Starting point is 00:25:08 So the question I have is, now you may not have this answer. I would love to know your opinion on it. So if we know they're pinning on a guy that maybe had nothing to do with it or didn't do it, do you think it goes back far enough that somehow they get that guy for some reason to Vegas that night? Yeah, I do. Where it's almost like a Pat Oswald.

Starting point is 00:25:33 Like an Oswald. Yeah, like an Oswald. Put him in the area. Yeah, I mean, it's funny because she's now since changed her tune, but one of the Las Vegas, the reporters that was one of the first ones to ever cover this. And I kind of came in a little bit late. I was 12 years late to the party when I got, when I got involved. So these narratives that had a chance to run for a while and actually gain a lot of footing. So you come in, you come in late to the game, you're always playing catch up. There was a lady that she wrote for the Las Vegas review journal.

Starting point is 00:26:07 She was like the main one interacting with there. She's the one who sold his autopsy photos in her book. Okay. With two box autopsy photos. So kind of gives you an idea there, the character, but she was the one that came on our first documentary in 90 and 2006. And she said, he didn't have a ticket to the fight. Nobody knows why the hell he was standing.

Starting point is 00:26:28 He had no entourage around him. He was literally standing by himself in this one area. Who's this? The shooter or two? The guy, the shooter or two. Orlando Anderson's the cat's name. And he was standing in a part of the MGM Grand Hotel where basically it's just a bunch of elevators. They've got a couple of ways in and out of that little lobby area, but it's

Starting point is 00:26:51 basically a hub for a bunch of elevators that you can take up to the hotel rooms. And he's standing around there literally with nothing to do. All of the surveillance footage shows him walking by himself through a crowd of people and he's standing out. He's got a jersey that's bright white. So you watch these murky VHS videos of the surveillance footage and it's like dark, dark, dark, dark, because it's night, dark, dark. He's got a white jersey on with a number like 16 on it, just big giant numbers. So he's impossible to miss. You can track the guy all the way through. And he's standing there, and they said he had no ticket to the fight.

Starting point is 00:27:27 He didn't have an entourage around him. In fact, he had split from the entourage that was with him that night. So nobody knows why he's there. And we went back just for fun. We went back to the location itself, brought a camera, brought a bunch of guys. And we said, could the people that ran and had jumped this guy at the MGM casino could they have actually seen him

Starting point is 00:27:49 from where they were allegedly standing to point him out standing in an elevator bank somewhere and if you know anything about Vegas that's a crowd of people that's a sea of people in slot machines could they see the guy to say there's the guy you know was and then they run over and jumped him and that that was that. But if the guy, he was there. But to your point, I think the whole thing predates the event in Vegas. I think they preselected the guy. I think they put the guy up. They knew who they wanted to hang for it. I think it was an in Shug nights even come out recently and he's kind of throwing his hat in the ring about it and say that it was an inside operation once won't give the specifics of who the inside is I have my guesses but it was an inside

Starting point is 00:28:32 operation and then they had the guy like I said they put the guy out he went to the hospital that night for a torn shoulder so there's a question of whether or not he was even physically capable of Being in the car and doing the shooting like they think he did that is not Yeah, so not so yeah, so real quick before we move on for that, but so so it is almost possible That Is almost possible that even the entourage could be in on it, right? Because if you're like, because you know, yeah, there are, there's, there's a, there's a couple of characters that were part of that.

Starting point is 00:29:16 Hey, he's over there. Go, go get that guy. And Tupac took off running and they'll, you know, jumped him and did the, you see it on the video, they, they, they, they dumped the guy. But when you talk about the entourage, there's a couple of guys from the entourage that are still hanging out today with that chief of security head of death or records, Reggie right still, still buddies with him and have not openly said a word about anything about what happened that night. So you're responding.

Starting point is 00:29:46 Yeah. I mean, it's kind of, I've always said this, like you, you know, these figures, they don't get assassinated unless the people who are there to protect them allow it to happen. You know, when, when the Israeli prime minister got shot and killed, it was literally, they literally came out that his whole bodyguard unit was basically in on it. And they allowed him to get shot. So that's what they say. You know, Dan Bongino said it the best. I mean, he said layered incompetence equals intent. Yeah, yeah, that's great, dude.

Starting point is 00:30:20 That's a great layered incompetence. I can't take credit for that. That's my man, Dan. He hit it and God bless him for taking over the FBI. So it's like that deep. And there's been other movies or other docs, and you may have put it out. You may have talked about it.

Starting point is 00:30:36 But Tupac wanting to leave death row. We can get into all the different stuff. So he's driving to this. I forget what is it on flamingo? He's on flamingo, right when he's driving He's going to he's going to a club nightclub called club six six two and he was driving down Flamingo Boulevard big entourage of people should not supposed to be in the first car They always should always demanded he be in front this time He wasn't there was he be in front. This time he wasn't. There was another car in front of him.

Starting point is 00:31:07 They get down to this intersection of Flamingo and Koval. Koval is about maybe three or four blocks off the strip. So even back in those days, it was still a little dark. It was still a little bit. If you've ever been around the Vegas strip, it's big and bright right on the strip, but you go two blocks either way and it kind of just falls off into nothingness.

Starting point is 00:31:24 There's literally an area called, what's it called? I can't remember the name. It's right by the stratosphere and it's like the shadiest area you'll ever go to. Oh, Naked Vegas. Naked city. Yeah, Naked. It's so shady and Atlantic City is a lot like that. But the interesting thing about that club they was going to, I would always watch that club. It would open and then it would close because it was so far off the strip. There's no real foot traffic around it. So when this club kind of blew up, it was very crazy to me. Well, it was also too, because nobody could get a permit for it.

Starting point is 00:32:03 The the the way that Club 662 and it it was originally called something else Helen Thomas was the owner She was the widow of a big gangster guy that had that had that nightclub And when he died a lot that nightclub kind of closed and they had tried for a long time to get somebody to be able To take over the nightclub, but what's interesting is that you can sell the building all day long over the nightclub. But what's interesting is that you can sell the building all day long. It's the liquor permit that becomes the problem to try to get.

Starting point is 00:32:29 And it's like property, it's like real estate. If you own it, you have to sell it, but the county gets involved and the county basically dictates who gets it and who doesn't. And whatever alchemy they use to figure that out, that's how you get it. That's a great word to use too, alchemy they use to figure that out. That's how you get it. That's a great word to use too, alchemy. Yeah. And this Helen Thomas, she tried to get rid of it to a bunch of people.

Starting point is 00:32:51 Well, Suge Knight had an interest in it, wanted to buy it, and wanted to set it up as a hip hop club out in Vegas. Not a bad idea. But when the problem was is that Vegas wasn't going to give Suge Knight a liquor permit. I don't care who you were in Vegas. And he had the most powerful attorneys, um... the problem was is that they just want to give should not a liquor permit out here who you were in vegas you know he had the most powerful attorneys george kalis is uh... david charlotte that he had the most powerful vegas attorneys even oscar goodman working for him and and and they even yes i company dump the all the king's sources all the

Starting point is 00:33:21 kings may couldn't get should not a liquor permit so what they did in the only way that they could work around it the only way that they could work around it, the only way that they could work through it was to get a conditional use permit from the county. And a conditional use permit would be like if you're going to have a fair, you know, or you're going to do a big, you know, flea market or something, and you, it's a one-time event, you're going to do a big, you know, flee market or something. And it's a one-time event. You're going to have parking. You want the cops to help you out and set up barricades. And you're going to block this area off.

Starting point is 00:33:51 And you do a one-time thing. And that's called a conditional use permit. It's a specific time frame. You can do it. And within the context of that conditional use permit, you can specify whether or not alcohol is going to be served or not. So what it's like, we know it today like a pop-up. Club 662 was basically like a pop-up.

Starting point is 00:34:10 Nightclub. Dang! Yeah, you know what I mean? That was really what it came down to. That they had to give a reason why it would be okay to open up the nightclub for a weekend or for an evening. This particular night, and then they had to get pretty desperate. They had opened it up three or four times already. The county knew what was going on, so they'd have to, that's what they were saying, they had to pull a liver out or something like that to get the conditional use permit.

Starting point is 00:34:35 This time, they said that it was going to be a benefit for Barry's Boxing, which was a Las Vegas cop who had an inner city youth, taught him how to box and stuff like that. So that was the charity, allegedly, that they were going to open the nightclub for and all the proceeds from that event were going to go to this boxer. Now did that boxer ever get any money? Who knows?

Starting point is 00:35:01 But you know, but that was how that club operated. That's why you never saw it open was because they had to get a conditional use permit every time they wanted to open up that nightclub Sugar thought that maybe they would get it on a permanent basis later. Yeah, there's a good picture of it right there but um And they made the signs for it and everything, you know But at the end of the day You know it turned out to be a pop-up thing and and it's yet another example of something that never survived the shooting you know, they had people that were gonna run it and and one of Tammy Hawkins one of Shug's baby mamas She was given the opportunity to run the place if they went forward and yet somehow

Starting point is 00:35:42 None of that ever moved forward, you know forward and yet somehow none of that ever moved forward you know sometimes when somebody dies or gets shot or goes to jail the business still continues if you got a good business it still continues to go and make money right should be able to survive it now everything just folded like a bunch of lawn chairs and I don't know it's it's there's very few places where somebody gets shot that it's like they kind of got to be I don't know like like the Comedy Store is a place where someone was shot and killed and it just kept going Yeah

Starting point is 00:36:12 But it's like if you had a pizza place where somebody got shot you keep going that pizza place like I'd be like I know another pizza. No. Yeah No, and but and it was even tougher for the fact Like I said once, once the... And of course, the shooting didn't happen at the club, it was just affiliated with Death Row Records. So, you know, they're going to be... The county would just...

Starting point is 00:36:33 Obviously, if anybody knew Death Row Records from that point on, that was so infamous and it was so tied to the label, they're not going to let those guys be a draw anymore. They didn't want a hip-hop club in Vegas. You know, if you remember back in those days, MGM had an amusement park. They had a thing for kids. So the circus was blowing up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Vegas is let's be a family destination. Yeah, where the dad goes and blows the mortgage at the craps table. You know, bring your kids, bring your kids, send them to the amusement park. We'll give them some tickets to the amusement park and you can gamble the mortgage away. That was the thing.

Starting point is 00:37:08 So the last thing they wanted was a bunch of hip hop goons in, you know, gang guys coming in and messing around with that family thing that they were trying to build. So, you know, the odds of should get in a permanent club were pretty slim, but he was trying. He had all the right people involved to get it done But I'm crazy. Yeah, so crazy. So let's get into some of the the the suspects, mm-hmm So I think there's probably over the years. It's kind of been more and more refined. It's gone from 31,000 Down to down to a handful that we got at least we've gotten that far with it, right? Yeah

Starting point is 00:37:46 Yeah, at least we've gotten that far You know, there's there's the the number one Suspect that's been the established narrative the the Lee Harvey Oswald of the Tupac case is a fella by the name of Orlando Anderson We just explained it to him Orlando Anderson was a southside Crip Grew up in Compton south side of Compton part of the gangs down there The kid was a actual high school graduate

Starting point is 00:38:17 Uh, you know a lot of those kids don't get out of that system But back in those days when Orlando Anderson was going to school system, but back in those days when Orlando Anderson was going to school, the Compton kids were all being forklifted up to the San Fernando Valley in California, which is a very upscale area. So crazy, dude. And he had the busing. That was the whole thing, it was called busing. And they took all those Compton kids and they forklifted them over.

Starting point is 00:38:38 And I lived up in that area growing up, went to high school in that area. Taft High School, where Orlando Anderson went to school, is a very hoity-toity prestigious high school. So crazy. So, you know, again with the whole Compton narrative that these guys were a bunch of uneducated gang. They were graduated from Compton, from Taft High School in the San Fernando Valley. I mean, it was, they were just so far from it. And Orlando Anderson, you know, in spite of having the gang ties, he was pretty

Starting point is 00:39:05 well thought of in the neighborhood. He was a guy who was trying to come up with, like everybody else, trying to do music, trying to get all that together at the time. And I think the problem that Orlando Anderson had was that he made enemies of two of the Barney Fife cops that were Compton PD. And you've got to realize Compton PD is a 10 by 10 square mile area, right? So take that and forklift it to Arkansas or Arizona and just drop it in the middle of Arizona. What you've got is you've got Mayberry. You've got a small town, literally a small town with a few police cars. the local guys, I think the police department had 100 people total on the police department, total.

Starting point is 00:39:50 So when you- When you say it's Mayberry, are you saying it's, it was just like a simple little city? Yeah, that's it, yeah. I totally agree with that, man. Yeah, everybody do everybody. So when you moved to LA, and you're from my era, you've heard nothing about Compton.

Starting point is 00:40:05 No. And you go to Compton, there are some nice areas there. Now there's a big discussion that Compton and Inglewood, cause yeah, Inglewood, no good, right? You go there, it's kind of where what they call Black Hollywood lives. Yeah. Where all the stars of the black part of Hollywood, that's where they all go to live. Well, especially now since they built SoFi Stadium.

Starting point is 00:40:31 They built the whole brand new multi-cazillion dollar sports and entertainment complex in Inglewood right there, right off Hawthorne Boulevard and right in the center of it. So Compton is maybe 10 miles away from that. And, and yeah, you've got a whole different demographic. That's that's moved in there. But back in those days, it was still by many considered to be just your local small town because they weren't part of LA proper LA city, Compton had its own police department, fire department, school district, still does.

Starting point is 00:41:07 And so, but I always say, you have to take Compton out of LA for you to understand how simple things really were. You've got, like I said, you might have two or three narcotics cops. You don't have an army. You have two or three of the gang guys. They're the gang unit guys.

Starting point is 00:41:24 And see, these gang unit guys were the ones that got, Tim Brennan and Bobby Ladd, they got mixed up with Orlando Anderson because like I said, they were having a burger at McDonald's or wherever they were having lunch. And they say, no proof, but they say Orlando Anderson shot at them while they were having lunch. So kind of from that point on, Orlando Anderson kind of had a target painted on his back because now you've got, you know, watch the dukes of hazard. What's it like when you get a sheriff that doesn't like you? Okay. You know, you got to kind of go to that reference point and say, you know, you get on the bad side

Starting point is 00:41:56 of a couple of local cops. Look how it worked out for Rambo. You know, you get on the bad side of a sheriff, small town sheriff, you get on the bad side of him. This is what happens to you. So and again, the gang cops were being run by the father of Reginald Wright Jr., who was Reginald Wright senior. That gang cop guy in Compton that ran the gang cops didn't like Orlando Anderson was the dad of the guy wanted to take over death or records What yeah, so I mean, how do you not holy shit? Yeah, that's how this breaks down And these two gang guys, you know They were the first one the dad ready, right senior And these two gang guys were the ones who came up like within an hour less than an hour of the shooting

Starting point is 00:42:43 Orlando Anderson did it. Holy shit. Yeah. So that kind of stuck because, you know, a lot of people have kind of simple minds and I go with Occam's razor, you know, the simplest explanation tends to be the right one. I go with that. But in this particular case, nobody knew what the hell was going on. And so how is it they couldn't put him in the car. They never have been able to put Orlando Anderson in the car There's no car. There's no gun. There's no evidence no eyewitnesses to him being in the car that shot at the at the BMW that Shug and Tupac were in nothing, but nevertheless, that's our guy and

Starting point is 00:43:21 That's what stuck five minutes after the shooting. So when we go back to, and you'd ask me the question, who are the Bain suspects? Orlando Anderson is number one with a bullet only because they just kind of planted that in everybody's mind and it just stayed. You basically telling me that the guy who was like one of the top cops, cops, excuse me, in Compton, his son was number two at Death Row Records? Correct.

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Starting point is 00:46:18 So this Orlando Anderson was kind of set up to be the Lee Harvey Oswald of the whole thing. That is crazy. They set him up. And then in cover up, we kind of go through that whole narrative and how it lasted all those years. And they had to kind of refresh the story from time to time and shake it up a little bit. But at the end of the day, that story continued for all those years. Another suspect, if you want to call him that that might be involved in it other than Orlando Anderson would be that number two guy.

Starting point is 00:46:51 In fact, Keefe D, the guy who's being tried right now, he filed a motion to dismiss about three weeks ago in the trial and post and he posited that narrative that Reggie Wright Jr., who was the number two guy at Death Records 1, Takeover Death Records, that he orchestrated the whole killing. That's his reasonable doubt move right there. That this guy, it's not me, it was this guy that set it all up and he's blaming. Now, it's important to know too that Keefe D., the guy who's in trial right now, who's sitting in jail, he was Orlando Anderson's uncle. What? OK, so that's why that's why he's on he's under the pin right now, because in 2000. Well, also, he's been talking about, right? I mean, yes, I say, yeah, that's he's putting out putting out a book.

Starting point is 00:47:44 He put out a book He did several interviews And he allegedly, you know, he confessed to all of this So We started asking questions like why? what if you if you're the guy and there was a cop by the name of Greg Kating and an LAPD cop who was supposed to be investigating the Biggie thing, but for some reason he got fixated on the Tupac case. And he decided he wanted to solve the case.

Starting point is 00:48:13 And he, according to his book and several interviews he's done, he decided that the Orlando Anderson thing was that that was it. So now we've got to make the picture fit the frame. So he hustled Keefe D., who was a drug dealer at the time. He was a PCP dealer. And actually, we found out yesterday in our podcast that Keefe D was actually Compton's biggest drug bust ever, which was 60 kilos of cocaine that they bagged at one time. Okay. In a Winnebago. I mean, you know, figure that. But they big that that was all kiffy D's dope That was what a big dime dealer. He wasn't the head of the gang, but he was a pretty big-time drug dealer

Starting point is 00:48:50 So you got let out? What's that thing? He got an easy deal like how do you get a how you how you get let out after getting caught with? All that. Oh, he didn't he went to bring went to jail for years. He went Yeah, he's been in and out of jail several times and And and out of prison I should say several times. So that's why he's doing it now. He's like, oh, it's another day in the life. He's just cooling his jets in county right now, which is kind of club fed type of situation.

Starting point is 00:49:18 But again, going back to the Keefe D thing, this detective kating got. He feed under an alleged pin where they caught him selling some PCP. And they and of course, and I'm going to say something and if it sounds like the most retarded thing to say, I can't make sense of it either. But here's here was the proposition. This guy, Greg Katie, detective LAPD goes in and he's got no jurisdiction to investigate the Vegas case anyway he's got nothing to do with it he's just gonna decide it he's gonna be Colombo and make a deal out of it so he goes to Keefe D and he says hey Keefe D we have you on this PCP bus that we set up basically put our own CI in

Starting point is 00:50:03 there and we set you up and you could go to jail for 25 years for doing this PCP bus that we set up basically put our own CI in there and we set you up and you could go to jail for 25 years for doing this PCP bust. Unless you tell us everything you know about the Tupac Shakur killing and your nephew Orlando Anderson's involvement in it. Well the two are kind of incongruent. It had been me. I'd have told him, charge me first. If you've got to charge and you can charge me, charge me. And then we'll talk about, let's make a deal. But they didn't do that. They scared him. They told him he couldn't use

Starting point is 00:50:35 the attorney, Edie Fall, that he had been using for years, KPD. And they brought him in and allegedly made a proffer deal with him, with the US attorney, Wayne Searight, and said to him, tell us everything you know about the Tupac killing. Given that situation, I think Dude is gonna say whatever the hell he has to say to make them happy. Okay, you want a story, let me tell you a hell of a story. Here you go, I was in the car when it happened, it was him. You're right

Starting point is 00:51:05 Am I am I good? Yeah Family dude. Yeah, I go home What else did he have to offer? They were hanging 25 years over his head and Orlando Anderson was long dead by then So, you know, it wasn't her. Oh shit. Okay. Yeah, I'd be like, yeah that dead dude did it Yeah, Orlando Anderson the dead, blame the dead guy. He did. How did he die? How did he die?

Starting point is 00:51:27 He died, I want to say three years after the shooting. Okay. He died at a shootout at a car wash, allegedly. Um, and, uh, and, and he died in a gang related shootout in Compton. Interestingly enough, and I have this on tape now, we're gonna use it season two for Tupac cover up we're in production on right now. When Orlando Anderson was killed,

Starting point is 00:51:56 the first guy on the scene was Reggie Wright Senior, the dad of Reggie Wright Jr., the guy was number two of death of records Okay, that is crazy The first one on the scene and Arnie Villarreal the guy that I interviewed was the second one on the scene He said well we drove up there. There were no gang members around there was no signs of a shootout Orlando Anderson was sitting dead in a car and Reggie Wright senior they I guess they I guess when he pulled up, they were nose to nose, police

Starting point is 00:52:25 car wise, they were nose to nose, and he said Reggie Wright Sr. was standing there with his flashlight in his hand, looking like I was the last person that he wanted to see. And he's standing there with his flashlight in his hand, and I took a half a beat and I asked him, I said, Arnie, you remember all that real well? He said, yeah, I was the first, other than Reggie Wright Sr. was already there for some reason minutes after the shooting. It took him a minute and a half because they all heard the gunshots. Compton is such a small town, they heard the gunshots at the police station and took off.

Starting point is 00:52:57 It took them a minute and a half to get to that location. He gets there, Reggie Wright Sr., the gang cop, is already standing there with his flashlight in his hands and a dead Orlando Anderson. Damn! Now, this gets better. I said it because it just picked up on it. I don't know why. God was talking to me that day. I asked the question. I said, Arnie, you remember this like it was yesterday, right? He goes, yeah. I said, did Reggie Wright senior have his gun drawn? And he thought about it for a minute. He goes, you know what? RJ, you're right. He didn't have his gun drawn. I said, you're damn right because he didn't sense any danger. He's standing there with

Starting point is 00:53:38 a dead guy in an alleged gang shooting. Car all shot up. Dead gangbanger there. He rolls up on it and he doesn't have his gun drawn? That would be the first thing I would do if I was gonna roll up into your gunshots blazing a guy's dead in a car. You don't know where anybody else is. You're gonna pull your gun. You're not gonna walk out front with your flashlight looking around like, you know, the party boys or something.

Starting point is 00:54:02 I mean, cops. Cops in LA draw down on everything that moves. Yeah, 100%. They hear a mouse fart and they draw down on it. That's right. You know, they do. But Arnie's reaction, I'm so glad we got it on camera, his reaction to that question was gold. Because it tells you right there that the guy that was first on the scene sensed no danger and why would you do that after an alleged gang shootout you know you think maybe somebody's lurking in a bush somebody didn't run away if they all if in a minute and a half they all took off in different directions somebody might be lurking in the bush the other thing was

Starting point is 00:54:40 the street was dark and there was nobody standing outside. You know when shotgun shots come off you know people duck but after they're it's quiet people come out looking to who the hell got shot. Nobody. So yeah Orlando Anderson was dead and Keefe D decided that you know for whatever reason you know like he told me and I when I many times I've interviewed him he told me look he said I didn't have 25 years for life I told him what they want me and I when I many times I've interviewed him He told me look he said I'd have 25 years for life. I told him what they want here I just made some bullshit was all bullshit. I just made it up blame my blame my nephew who everybody thought anyway was the guy that did it and I just said I was in the car when he did it and

Starting point is 00:55:17 Unfortunately for him He did that made that confession if you will to LAPD. Kating wrote about it and put it out in his book. They never prosecuted him. Vegas never prosecuted him. And Vegas never believed for a minute that Orlando Anderson was the guy.

Starting point is 00:55:34 They never believed it. No matter how hard Compton PD tried to push it on them, they didn't believe it. It just wasn't happening. So, they...Kating puts it out in his book. He says, not only is Orlando Anderson the guy, but now his uncle admits that he was there, so you have a witness to it. And Keefe D, that book came out in 2011, I think it was.

Starting point is 00:55:57 And again, nothing, just crickets, nothing. Drop the book, nothing says that. So- Hold on, in the book does he say he was in the car? Yeah, in the book, Kating says, in his book, Kating drop the book nothing says it so hold on in the book does he say he was in the car yeah in the book hating says in his beginning wrote the book he says when he interviewed Keefe D and that he had all these tapes recorded tapes of him saying it that he feed he says he was in the car and he'd be admits that he said it he said yeah I just bullshit him I told

Starting point is 00:56:19 him what they wanted to hear you know I was gonna do 25 years they told me I was gonna do 25 years for PCP what the the hell else am I going to do? I've got nothing else to offer. So why not? Yeah, it's crazy. Like the lie is one thing, but the continuing of the lie is where you get in trouble. Well, and that's what really sprung everything back to life again, because the Orlando Anderson game that had fallen under its own weight. There was just so much doubt about that that and Vegas didn't believe it anyway. So there was nothing there.

Starting point is 00:56:50 So when Cating's book dropped in 2011, it became this like, oh my gosh, kind of moment like, wow, you know, we what were we thinking in it? And you have to understand and I'm sure that you do, you know, this people have confirmation bias. If I'm a gang guy, and that's all I've heard for the last 20 years on the street is that Orlando Anderson did it, I'm going to believe anything that somebody tells me that confirms what I already believe. Okay, I knew that. Yeah, it has to be. I already knew that. If all my friends told me that, everybody knows that that and that's what you get Keefe D resurrected that whole thing now again Katie's book came out 2011 and

Starting point is 00:57:32 nothing Just disappeared off the map 2018 comes around and Keefe D gets an opportunity to do an interview on a show called death row Chronicles And that was the first time that he had done an on-camera interview where he talked about his involvement in this case. By this time, Keefe Deeb pretty much figured nobody was coming after him.

Starting point is 00:57:57 Like, he dropped it in 2011, and he had been interviewed by Vegas police in 2009, told the same story. Interviewed by the LAPD, 2008, told the same story. Interviewed by the LAPD in 2008 told the same story. Nobody's coming after him for anything. So in 2018 he does this Death Row Chronicles interview and says nothing different than he's been saying for the past decade. Nothing. And then Vegas police says, oh we heard that in 2018 and that reinvigorated us. New detectives, we got reinvigorated.

Starting point is 00:58:28 He's admitted that he's done it so that's good enough for us. Let's go. Unbelievable. You'd be that dumb. Like most people would be like, bro they're not coming for me. I'm going to shut the fuck up. Yep. And not even talk about it.

Starting point is 00:58:42 Hey dude, can we interview you about your involvement? No. Yeah. And not even talk about no. Hey, dude, can we interview you about your involvement? No Yeah, well and you know what and and there's there's some there's even some some Again, I know we go too far down the rabbit hole, but there but there is we're all about it yeah, well for example that death row Chronicles interview was arranged and set up by this Cading guy and his cronies and the guy that interviewed him for Death Row Chronicles was the guy that worked on Cading's documentary murder app, which was based on his book.

Starting point is 00:59:14 Cading's hands are all over it. Darren Dupree is his partner. His hands are all over that Death Row Chronicles interview. And you've got to understand that Cading had wrote a book, put out that theory, said that there were tapes. Nobody believed him. That was the end of the story. Suddenly this Death Row Chronicles comes out, Keefe D now cosigns the book. And that's, you gotta understand, that's the part. That's the point. You gotta cosign the book. You have this story nobody believes. Now the guy comes out and says

Starting point is 00:59:41 it on camera, whole different story now. It's public. It's out in the media He cosigns the book Haydings book. He cosigns it now suddenly Cating's doing a show called unsolved on USA Network with his story about how he caught the guy and in this whole big budget production Multi-million dollar production on USA Network Universal pictures he's going around doing that. So Keefe D got $150,000 for doing that interview. Now I don't know about you, but I might be inclined to tell a story or two for anybody puts $150,000 in front of me.

Starting point is 01:00:19 Yeah. Okay. I'm listening. But the other side of that fence, and this is important because you got the nice lawn on one side of the fence, you got the junkyard on the other side of the fence, okay? Kating was a guy who had had many cases of excessive force thrown at him on the LAPD. He got convicted of that, you know,

Starting point is 01:00:36 holding, pointing a gun at an infant, things like that. Okay, real superstar cop. He's like the Vic Mackie of, you know, the LAPD. He is not a guy whoie of the LAPD. He is not a guy who was afraid to cross the line. Let's just put it that way. And he hit back. One time there was a court transcript of he wanted a guy

Starting point is 01:00:57 to tell a story a certain way, to give a story, spin a story a certain way the way Cating wanted it. Just say this. He didn't say it. Cating said, you F'd us and handcuffed him and threw him in jail, okay? This is a cop who hits back, okay? It's a cop who hits back.

Starting point is 01:01:14 You don't go with the program, you don't go with the story, you don't stick to what's been said or what he wants you to say. He can make your life comfortable. Sure, you got $150,000, but what happens if Keefe D gets $150,000 and goes in there and says, hey, I made it all up? Just FYI, April fools.

Starting point is 01:01:30 Okay? I just made it all up. Now what? Now you've got two problems. Number one, USC ain't going to pay $150,000 for anybody that would recant their story and just say, there's nothing here. Sorry, guys. Sorry, wasted your time.

Starting point is 01:01:45 But you also have on the backside, you got to wrote a book and put that all out there publicly. And he really wants you to co-sign this narrative. And he's had a habit and a pattern of hitting back after if somebody doesn't get with the program. So when you talk about, well, Keife D went on this, art of dialogue, and he won Vlad TV, and he does all these YouTube interviews

Starting point is 01:02:07 where he basically tells the same story, badly, by the way, very badly, because there's a thing about when you make shit up, you can't keep the story straight. Yeah, 100%, you forget what lies, lies. And in the documentary, we actually break down when he does interviews, one interview, and we show all the inconsistencies of his story.

Starting point is 01:02:26 I mean, he even tells a story that he met with Suge Knight and Tupac on Saturday, or it was a Friday night. He met with Suge and Tupac, and they hugged. And he told that story three different times, three different ways. But the upshot of it was that they all got together and met that Friday night, and then Saturday was supposed to be the fight. The upshot of it was that they all got together and met that Friday night and then Saturday was supposed to be the fight. And it wasn't until one of the interviewers actually stopped him and said, well, it's

Starting point is 01:02:50 pretty much common knowledge that Sugar Pop came up Saturday morning. They weren't even in Vegas on Friday night. Or they're not? And I called it the Scooby Doo moment. The look on Keefe D's face. Yes. The look on Keefe D's face when he goes, yeah, thank, what? And you know, yeah, yeah, they weren't, they weren't in town Friday night.

Starting point is 01:03:11 So everything you've told in these three different interviews at three different places is all bullshit. It's 1000% bullshit. And you go, oh, my memory is getting bad. It was, it's like that. So you've got a guy who's inconsistent in all his stories. He never gets the story straight. He tells the story wrong. He's never read his own book. The book that was published was written by a ghostwriter. He's never read the book. I

Starting point is 01:03:34 asked him that, I thought, Keefe, did you ever actually read the book when it was done? No. Because in all fairness, he's probably got like a third grade education. Yeah, I was just going to say that. Yeah. Can he even read? Yeah. Well, and there you go. Well, I learned that. I published a book called Tupac 187 back in 2014, which basically lined out where the

Starting point is 01:03:54 investigation was at this point. My core audience, nobody reads. So the book didn't do particularly well. It didn't, in all fairness. It didn't because it had- It didn't, you know, because it had- Audio books, dude. Audio books. Yes.

Starting point is 01:04:08 You know, I think now that would have been a great thing, but you know, because I just, I said, because words. That was the reason the book didn't do well, because words- Maybe, maybe- Words matter. The new podcasts and stuff will- Words matter. Yeah, words, because words matter.

Starting point is 01:04:22 So anyway, but again, the main suspect has been Orlando Anderson. This guy, Keefe D, is actually sitting in jail right now because the Vegas police decided that they had their guy because he admitted it so many times. Hey, he wrote a book saying he did it. He did all these interviews. He said he did it. Well, that's not enough. They think it's enough, so they charged it.

Starting point is 01:04:44 They think that's not enough in a they think it's enough. So they charged it. They think that's good enough. Time will tell in this case whether or not that's going to hold water or not because one of their key witnesses against DVD happens to be the number two guy at death row records. You know, he's one of their key witnesses. So it's going to be an interesting time to track what happens with the case. It doesn't go to trial until they just pushed it a year, February of next year. And we rushed to try to get it. We thought they were going to trial in November,

Starting point is 01:05:18 so we rushed to get the docuseries out because we kind of wanted to explain. We don't know who did it for sure but this guy did not do it this guy was not the guy and did Vegas have their man what was interesting and I'll throw 30 seconds on this but what's what's really interesting and we bring it out in the documentary and I think it's so important because it's been so overlooked Vegas police started investigating this case back in 2018 again they, they were reinvigorated.

Starting point is 01:05:46 That's what they said. ABC News, oh, we're reinvigorated. We saw the Keefe D story. What happened in 2018 was there was an investigative journalist for a place called Center for Investigative Journalism. Amazing. In Vegas. And they're, they're one of these think tanks that, you know, they're like scripts where they they they'll do these big civil rights pieces and stuff like that and they put a FOIA request on Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department for the Tupac files and they said hey We want we want the files and Vegas said you're not getting the files and They said well, we don't think what they said the reason you're not getting the files because we have an active and ongoing investigation.

Starting point is 01:06:27 You know how that bullshit goes. Right, right, right. The Christopher Ray thing, you know, we're not, we can't talk about it because it's ongoing. And they played that card. Center for Investigative Journalism, a guy by the name Andy Donahoe was his name. He hit back. He said, no, you're not doing anything with the case. Give us the files. They said, yes, we are. So Donahoe sued the Vegas police department in 2018. Okay. I was 2017. I'm sorry. In 2017 and said, you got to produce these things. So you're not doing shit. And Vegas fought it and they lost.

Starting point is 01:07:06 So Vegas appealed it like they would do. They appealed it to the Court of Appeals and they lost again. And then in 2018, they filed in the Supreme Court of Nevada against LVMPD and LVMPD lost. Supreme Court, they lost. So they had to give major portions of the Tupac file to this Center for Investigative Journalism because they weren't working the case. I mean, that was the biggest thing. That now suddenly you're having to dole out half of your investigation file. They got to keep a few things, but when they were doing the actual court case, they had to list out everything that was in the file. And then the judge could make the decision

Starting point is 01:07:52 on what they were gonna get and what they weren't gonna get out of this list. And so it was like a master list of, okay, now we know what everything's in the file. We can't see the detail, but we know what it is. And what happened was, and the craziest thing about it was that it showed for example that Vegas hadn't done a live interview on tape with anybody in years. In fact, when you're talking about the Tupac Shakur case of all things, do you know how

Starting point is 01:08:19 many recorded interviews that they had done in the first 10 years of the investigation? How many? Nine. Damn. Nine people and seven of those nine people were at the scene of the crime and they recorded them at the night of the shooting. Oh my God. Okay, so you're talking two people, 20 years have gone by, two people that they deemed

Starting point is 01:08:42 important enough to make tapes of to make to tape and record the interview. Now, they could have gone out and interviewed people, you know, I'm just talking to you and do that and there was no tape recording of the interview. But when it's important enough that you get an official statement from somebody that was there, we know there were dozens of witnesses that were never talked to. And this kind of confirmed that. So in 2018, I'm sure there was a phone call because you know, you got the, now you have the county attorney

Starting point is 01:09:10 on the phone, you've got the governor on the phone. We just got had because this Andy Donahoe guy, we got to release, the courts decided, but we're going to release this case file we said we'd been working on. What's the optics of that going to be when they come to find out we ain't done shit? That was when they suddenly got invigorated. I call that, they say invigorated, I say they got a cattle prod shoved up their behind by the governor and the county supervisors and everybody who really would look bad if the truth came out about it. So, and this is perfect for tin foil because, you know, but the good news is it's not. This really happened.

Starting point is 01:09:53 They got, and I'm sure that the head of the LVMPD, who was a new guy, he just got elected at that point, Kevin McMayhill, I think his name is, he had just gotten elected. So there's this phone call that comes down. I can't prove this, but I'm imagining there's this phone call that came down from the losing attorney at the Supreme Court who says, you guys better get up your butts and go make this an ongoing active investigation. Because if it comes out that we're not doing anything, we'd like to see this case solved. Let's just put it that way.

Starting point is 01:10:29 Okay, let's go grab Keefe D, he's low hanging fruit. He said he did it, why not? Let's get it. Yeah, yeah. And it's it. Because at the end of the day, dude, this is it. It's over. Whether or not Keefe D is found innocent or guilty,

Starting point is 01:10:43 this is gonna be like OJ on the golf course looking for the real killers you're never gonna hear about it again when Keefe D if he's getting found guilty well then history will right itself but if he's found not guilty Vegas isn't gonna put up anybody else you know that that's not how it works so they'll say we got our guy and the jury said otherwise there you go case case closed So that whole diddy thing you think that's just a distraction No, I think did he's done a lot of stupid shit to be honest with you. I'll get back to the ship Yeah, I think he did but now did diddy did diddy?

Starting point is 01:11:17 I don't personally did he had anything to do with to pot getting killed in any way shape or form and You know They tried to put kifi D back in New York with Zip. The guy said he got the gun from Zip, didn't want to talk to him. You know, there was no cooperation. There's been no link whatsoever between Diddy and the Tupac case. None. People will say that, but you know, there's no, there's no evidence to support that at

Starting point is 01:11:42 all. Now, Diddy, has he done a lot of other dumb shit Yeah, he's gonna go down for a lot of dumb shit But he I'm sorry should ask if I could swear and I didn't know you can totally fucking swear if you want I didn't know. Yeah, so no his so yeah, I think Diddy You know did he's fucked. I just honestly I think he is but not for The reasons that they're trying to hook him up with the, with the Tupac killing. I don't think it has to do with it.

Starting point is 01:12:09 So I think Tupac also runs into a problem that Malcolm X had both when he was alive and when he died is if you're shitting on cops constantly all the time in your art, in your speeches all the time, you're never in your speeches, all the time. You're never ever ever gonna get to him to investigate, find out who killed you. And another example of that is the- He shot two cops, Tupac shot two cops. Well yeah, the New York, the North Hollywood bank robbery,

Starting point is 01:12:39 do you guys remember that huge one? Those guys had all that armor on, he shot me at cops. So the cops had to run to a gun store to get better guns. Yeah, they had their pea shooters. So they went and got better guns. They shoot these guys. These guys go down. Supposedly the guys are still alive on the ground. And the family of the guys that did the robbery Okay Sue the LAPD because he said that they were alive and they didn't do anything to help keep them alive. I'm like, yeah Yeah, right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah and

Starting point is 01:13:15 Yeah, they shot him up So when I heard Malcolm X said nobody did it like Malcolm X would have people like come the fuck with his house He called cops. They wouldn't show up. Yeah, I mean like I'm not saying it's right. I go, but I understand why they're they're not doing it whether it's right or wrong Yeah, well, I think should nights had that same problem I mean, you know should not is the only living witness to actually could say Who he saw that might have shot at him and at Tupac. He's the only living witness and I happen to think there's a different guy that was the shooter that was involved.

Starting point is 01:13:49 I think I know who it was. And I think it's a former, or not a former, he's dead now, but he was an LAPD cop. He was dating Suge Knight's estranged wife. Yes! For four years. That's something to playanged wife Yes, for four years to play too like okay for four years And so when somebody gets shot at or somebody gets killed the first person they look at is the spouse They say you know, what's the motive a spouse?

Starting point is 01:14:15 well gee if suge night dies and the spouse can can inherit death row records and She's buddy with the number two guy at Death Row Records who wants to take over the label so they got their proxy, then you've got this guy, and again this is like I said, the guy's name is Kevin Gaines. He got killed by another cop, okay? Kevin Gaines was such a hothead and such a knucklehead that he called 9-1-1 on himself. Okay, he stood out in front of his own house that he had with this girl and he called 9-1-1 and he said, the N has a gun. Okay, and called the LAPD in on himself. Why? Who knows? But he did.

Starting point is 01:15:02 On this show, you can say the M word too if you want go for Those things but the but he said dude has a gun He got killed by another cop Frank Liga because he pulled his gun out Brandish his gun in a road rage incident and he just happened to pick a guy who was an LAPD detective who was equally a hot hit as he was, and he just blew him away through the door. Boom, boom, boom. Just blew him away through his own car door and killed the guy. But Kevin Gaines was Sharitha Knight, Shoved Knight's wife, her live-in boyfriend. Now, if

Starting point is 01:15:43 you look at the Orlando Anderson thing thing and you say, you know, this is a simple revenge plot. Orlando Anderson got beat up earlier that night, and so now he's gonna go take a single gun and take on 25 gangsters who are all carrying guns on their own. You know, if the Alamo sounds right, that's about right. He's gonna do that though, but it's a simple revenge plot. You beat me up so I'm gonna kill you. Okay? If you're willing to accept that, let's say you're just kind of not a critical thinking guy and you say, okay that makes sense to me, okay. Kevin Gaines was dating the wife of the head of the record label. Okay? Kevin Gaines was in Vegas. We

Starting point is 01:16:22 can prove, unlike Kipri De, we can prove Kevin Gaines was in Vegas. We can prove unlike keep you deep We can prove Kevin Gaines was in Vegas is all kinds of LAPD material It says he was in Vegas that the night of the shooting Kevin Gaines was allegedly and I put double quotes around it Allegedly stripped down by Suge Knight taken out to the middle of the desert and basically left for dead He had been beat up in a van. He had had several I would call retributions, but he got checked by Suge Knight and the guys several times because of his involvement with Sharitha, okay, with the wife of Suge Knight. Now, and all I'm saying is this, if you're willing to believe the revenge

Starting point is 01:17:01 motive of an Orlando Anderson who gets dusted up in a hotel and that's enough for him to take on the whole entourage and do a shooting and go kill this guy, what do you say about the guy who was the boyfriend of the wife, the estranged wife, who gets beat up and who's a cop, good shooter, has motive, how much can you ignore that if you're willing to believe that simple other revenge motive you got a whole nother guy right here and it explains in my mind anyway why the LAPD has run interference on this case since day fucking one okay why in that moved over into the biggie thing come right over into the biggie thing? Okay LAPD had officers in Vegas at that time on special assignment clear as day. We have the paperwork

Starting point is 01:17:53 We know it's fact Kevin Gaines was there in Vegas that night Okay, if that guy had been if I had been dusted up like that guy had been dusted off and taken out to the desert strip naked and been left to for dead to walk back. I think I'd be wanting some payback and you got to understand it wasn't just to pocket that car take to park out of the car show nights in the car. Okay. You know you have to consider whether or not should not was actually the primary target to park was with the car maybe to park with collateral damage because he was in the primary target. Tupac was with the car, maybe Tupac was collateral damage because he was in the passenger seat. You know, that's one of those things that we talk

Starting point is 01:18:29 about, we look at in the show. It goes deep. That's why it took freaking six hours to do the fucking documentary. I got, I wasn't going to do another one. I've done five commercial documentaries on Tupac case. Okay. And I even executive produced Nick Broomfield, who's a very well known director. He did a show called Last Man Standing. It was about Shogunite and Death Row. I executive produced his movie. And you know, so I've been at the top of the game regarding all of the widgets and the details. I wasn't going to do another one. I had said everything I had to say about it. But when Keefe D got arrested, I was like, man, we got to say something about this because

Starting point is 01:19:13 this is not, this isn't justice. This is blame. And so I started cutting the show. I got to an hour and a half, didn't quite say what I wanted to say. Two hours didn't quite say what I wanted to say, two hours, didn't quite say what I wanted to say. By the time I got to four hours, I called my distributor and I'm like, fuck, I'm stumped. I said, I wanted to do a movie, I got a four hour movie.

Starting point is 01:19:36 This is like fucking war and peace. They know because when I did Battle for Compton, which was Tupac Assassination 3, Battle for Compton, and by the way, it goes over the whole history of Compton. When I did that, that was like two and a half... That's so crazy, dude. Dude, that was like two and a half hour movie, almost a three hour movie. They could barely fit it on the DVD at the time,

Starting point is 01:19:55 back when they were doing Blu-rays and DVDs. They could barely fit the fucking movie on it because they're like, oh, you can't make it any longer. But people were mad because it was so dense with information that people had to watch it like two and three times to try to catch somebody was saying something and then there was a document up here and you couldn't focus on any one thing so you had to watch it over and over again. In this one I didn't want to do that but what ended up happening was we went to

Starting point is 01:20:20 got to four hours and I'm like dude I'm doing it again. I'm trying to package all this shit together so that they can do it well times have changed I'm getting old you know I'm like I'm 58 now I'm getting old times have changed we're not doing DVDs anymore where you got to worry about compressing it or putting it on you know on black the black history channel or you know or you know you can't you know whatever you're gonna do you're not gonna put it on there you get to the point where they have this thing called a docu-series now yeah I'm like oh wait a minute that sounds kind of fun kind of cool so I I did that and I doomed myself in the process because

Starting point is 01:21:01 it's a bitch to do a docu-series. I never thought in a million years it would be a bitch to do it that way. But when you do that, you know, when you get in there and you do that, you have to create a beginning and a middle and an end for each one. And you have to try to make it fit within the whole bigger narrative. So it's not like I can just take a six-hour movie and just cut every two hours and say stay tuned for the next episode. It's not like that. You have to create a beginning, a middle, and an end and leave a teaser at the end for each one so that motherfuckers will watch it. You know, when it's been seen next episode, people are like, yeah, let me see the next one. You got to leave them wanting to do that. So there's this whole weird ecosystem of a docu-series

Starting point is 01:21:48 that makes it so much structurally different than doing a movie. Movie, I got a beginning, a middle, and an end. That's it, I'm done. Docu-series, you got six beginnings, middles, and ends, but they all have to fit together. They all have to make sense. So I give my hands off to a lot of these guys,

Starting point is 01:22:03 hats off to a lot of these guys that make these, you documentaries even gold rush, you know 20 episodes of that. You gotta Make it all work. And then of course when you go to do QC, it's suddenly QC fucking times six and it's a you know, it's closed captions times six. It's E&O insurance times six You know, he's like, oh you got a feature. Yeah, I got six of them. So it's E&O insurance times six, you know, he's like, oh, you got a feature? Yeah, I got six of them. So it's like that. It was a whole different way of working, a whole different way of thinking about it. But I just felt like we just couldn't let it go. That, you know, this this information with the FBI finally stepping forward about what they knew about the players, you know, it just makes a completely different look at the case.

Starting point is 01:22:49 Because we have that. Now we've got that objectivity because, you know, 30 years, we can look back at everything and kind of put everything together where it all fits. We're not in the washing machine. Even when I started in 2007, you're still you're kind of inside the washing machine getting tumbled around while the case is unfolding Because people aren't talking they're not doing TV shows, you know, there's not no dead confessions You know deathbed confessions none of that shit. So

Starting point is 01:23:16 We have the ability to do that and I'm real proud of it. We're We're we're I can't believe I'm even saying this but I and say this every time, I'm done, we're not doing anymore, I'm done, this is it. I've said everything I have to say, we've gone for broke. Tubi did me dirty. Tubi did me dirty. They put up, if you notice, if you go and you put that Tubi back up again, you notice something about it. It if you say this, see it says season one.

Starting point is 01:23:50 I didn't ask him to do that. This was a self-contained six part docuseries. They're the ones who put season one on there. Then of course, you know, start thinking about it a little bit and think about what you didn't put in and maybe what you got left. And yes, season one, well that I guess that means that they were willing to do a season two of the show And they did they are So, you know the we're not done telling the story yet. It's you know, that's the thing It's crazy so the guy that they pinned it on is what's his name? Willie Brown? Larry Brown? Johnny Brown? Millie Bobby Brown?

Starting point is 01:24:27 No. His name is Dwayne Keith Davis. Dwayne Keith Davis. Dwayne Keith Davis. Yeah, otherwise known as Keefe D. That was his name. No, no, no, no. Who? His dead nephew.

Starting point is 01:24:41 What is his name? Oh, oh, oh, that dude. Orlando Anderson. Orlando Anderson. Wow Anderson, wow. All right, final question. Now that you've, I mean, you might do another season, but what's next? Are you done with doing these docs?

Starting point is 01:24:56 Is there another case you wanna focus on? Well, I'm gonna get back to riding my horses like I did when we started this whole thing. I've had horses this whole time. I spend less time riding horses and more time worrying about dead rappers. You know, so, so to say that I'm done, I think from a forensic historical perspective, I think we've told the story that needs to be told that brought it up to date to where we are now. But I've been given the

Starting point is 01:25:22 good fortune of the family. Keefe D's family called me up after the show dropped and I didn't do any work with them at all. Nothing. Didn't talk to their attorneys, didn't talk to their PIs, had no conversations with Keefe D, nothing. None of that whole thing. Because I wanted the documentary to be pure. I didn't want Vegas saying that it was propaganda that was set up by the family or I'm trying to influence the case by the court of public opinion. I didn't want any of that shit.

Starting point is 01:25:47 None of that baggage. So I dropped it on my own, put it out. It's out. I got a call probably about two weeks after the show dropped and it dropped on Tupac's death anniversary, September 13th. By October, early October, I was getting a call from Keefe D's family thanking me for with all the words and faults. I don't paint Keefe D up to be a nice guy.

Starting point is 01:26:12 Okay. He's inconsistent. He's a liar. He's a lot of things. But they called me to thank me because they said, at least you took an honest look at it and you're putting it out there for what it is. And they thanked me for it. Now I've been given access to the family, the attorneys, the investigation.

Starting point is 01:26:33 And so I think that season two is gonna end up being a little bit more like making a murderer where we're gonna be working with the attorneys in their offices as they go through the evidence and they look at and they confront the witnesses that are the Vegas things they're gonna put up you know and and so it's gonna it's gonna be a lot different more cinema verite kind of show where you're you're in in the wheelhouse as the trial unfolds and then what happens afterwards I think that that's that's the right way

Starting point is 01:27:01 to finish it I don't see anything after that that I would be any good for at that point how's a KPD's? Time in prison cuz he killed Tupac and I'm pretty sure a lot of people are trying to you know Get one on Tupac get you know trying to kill them to say I killed two box killer Yeah, is there how's it going for him? That's a great question I you know, and it's funny it not well, he's, he's in protective supervision, which is solitary confinement. He gets one hour out, 23 hours inside the cell, out for an hour.

Starting point is 01:27:33 But amazingly enough, and this sounds like something out of a Sons of Anarchy show, honestly, he was granted, he went to go meet with his attorney, and he was coming back from meeting with his attorney walking down the hallway towards the jail cell and the rule there in the detention center is that no two inmates that are killers should be in the same physical space as each other because that's just a bad thing okay that bad things can happen. Yeah the video shows Keefe D was walking back to his cell. There's a guy who was Be accused of killing his girlfriend almost beheading her because he didn't like her. He's washing his hands. He's got his shirt off He's washing his hands right there in that little common area where all of the jail cells were there Keefe D walks up and this guy lunges at Keefe D. Now, and Keefe D, because Keefe D is a little heavier than he is, used gravity to his, he's thinking, just laid him down on the ground, just kind of knocked him down. And Keefe D can hold

Starting point is 01:28:36 his own. But this guy attacked Keefe D out of nowhere. He was washing his hands. And the video clearly shows he was aggressive towards him. Keefe D't even know what hit him because he was walking back thinking he was going to his jail cell. But you're looking around, every one of those cats is supposed to have a corrections officer. But the thing about it is that just like sons of anarchy, apparently this correction officer that was with the guy washing his hands decided it was a good time to go to the bathroom or go down the hall to go check some other jail cells and left this cat by himself. So when the commotion started, he comes back out like, oh, what happened? So yeah, so it's like that.

Starting point is 01:29:15 They've done him dirty a couple different times now. He got beat up. He claims the guards beat him up. I don't know if that's true. I mean, he claims it. But so he's had that. But I think what's funny is the worst thing that they did to him is that I was on the phone with him talking just a couple weeks ago.

Starting point is 01:29:37 And he told me, he goes, hey, listen, they're calling me. The wardens are calling me. I guess I got a visitor. I said, oh, you do? Because he doesn't get visitors. I'm like, really? You got a visitor. I say, oh, you do? Because he doesn't get visitors. I'm like, really? You got a visitor? Who?

Starting point is 01:29:48 Who is it? He goes, I don't have, I have no idea. And by the way, I was recording that phone call at the time. So I've got this, I've preserved this. And he says, I didn't, he says, I don't know who it is. It's somebody, they're telling me I gotta go. So, okay, fine, we hung up the phone. Next thing I know, he's got an interview with ABC News

Starting point is 01:30:08 where without his attorney and they're interviewing him and you could see it. That's what's on. It's on ABC News. Now. I mean, you see it. He's in there and he's crying and they're really, they chose the worst moments of the interview, but they totally ambushed him. And there was no way Keefe D didn't ask for an interview with ABC News. It was Clark County and the LVMPD who had worked with them on 2020 before on the Keefe D case. They got together and decided they were going to do an interview with Keefe D regardless of whether or not Keefe D wanted to do the interview. So it's really one of those. And like I said, the parallels, you know, the Patsy parallels

Starting point is 01:30:46 with the JFK story and Oswald and all these guys, I mean, it's the same moves, the same moves. And unfortunately, I just can't let that go. You know, I just don't, because the problem is, that's us. That's us. If something I say, I may not like this guy, and I said, you know next I see I'm gonna kill you Okay, or I'm bragging to my friends. Oh, yeah, I did this or I did that or whatever And then the cops come and arrest me for something. I said

Starting point is 01:31:17 That's our First Amendment right there man what happens to that It's not against the law to tell a stupid story or to say stupid fucked up things. But when our government starts to hold us responsible without any other evidence, except for what we said, that could be you, that could be me. And I have a big problem with that. A big problem with that. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm also, I'll never admit to a murder that I didn't commit. Well, again, but, but like I said, with the ABC interview, if you've got behind the camera, you don't know what's behind that camera. If there's 15 guys with guns standing on the other side of that camera and

Starting point is 01:31:58 you're in front of the camera, think about your typical hostage situation. I'm fine. Everything's fine. Hostages treat you. I'm good, everything's fine, hostages treat you, I'm good, everybody's treating me well, I had a steak dinner last night and they put the sign down and the guys with the guns and the masks behind them are, you know, lower their weapons. I'm not sure. Not even that crazy, not even that crazy. You committed for a crime, they tell you either you're in mid to it or you do 25 to life or or right we'll put another case on you you do yes instead of the whole life that's

Starting point is 01:32:28 right or they tell you it's okay you're not gonna get any trouble for saying anything which I think you know dumb as that dumb ass he believed that but maybe he had a profit motive for doing it but the other part of it is that all these people that did these interviews with him and this is really important all these cats that did these interviews that he, and this is really important. All these cats that did these interviews that he did, because they go, oh, he was interviewing all over the place. Now he did about five or six different podcasters, or YouTubers, I guess you would say.

Starting point is 01:32:54 Okay, they did five or six, they all know each other, and they all run in the same click. And they're all in the same click as this Greg Kating, the guy who did the original deal. So all of the interviews he did were all, he didn't do an interview with somebody random or neutral. They were all YouTubers that were from that same clique of people that would have Greg Kating on, the same guy that apparently caught him.

Starting point is 01:33:22 And yet he's telling that story inconsistently and everything else. So it, you're right, I wouldn't say it, you wouldn't say it, but we don't really know and that's part of it and I kind of want to leave it at that because it's kind of, you know, that this is the Tinfoil Hat podcast, right? Yeah. That if, if you say something or I'm saying something, like I said, with the hostage thing, you don't know what's going on behind the camera. You don't know what was said before. You don't know what was said after.

Starting point is 01:33:48 And again, I've always felt just like Suge Knight. You think that Suge Knight's going to say Kevin Gaines shot him or shot at him? Because that's a cop and you're in jail. You think that's going to go well for you? You start accusing cops of being involved in shooting you? That may be why he's cagey about why he's not saying who did it. He says he knows who did it but he's not saying. And that sounds good for the street code, the thug thing, that sounds good right? But with him that could be a whole different

Starting point is 01:34:17 motive that he may not say it because they got some people behind there that wouldn't take that very well. So be careful what we think about Keefe D and about his confessions about things, because you never know. You never know. I understand. I understand. I really do. Sorry I drone long about that, brother. No, buddy, at all. It was great. This was a great interview, man. I've heard the story of Tupac, but this was incredibly enlightening and mind blowing, and it was a great discussion.

Starting point is 01:34:49 And we appreciate you coming on. I absolutely loved it. One more time, tell them where they can find you, RJ. You can find me hanging out at Tubi, which is Tupac cover up. You can see it for free. We didn't want to charge anybody or make anybody rent it, so it's free so people can get it for free. We didn't want to charge anybody or make anybody rent it. So it's free. So people can get the truth out.

Starting point is 01:35:06 You can catch us on the Tupac assassination podcast. It's on Spotify, YouTube, anywhere where you can pick up a podcast feed. We're out there and then we've got, you can, I do live shows occasionally on the Tupac assassination YouTube channel. I do live shows. So, all right, man. This has been great. Thank you so much for coming on. Let's occasionally on the Tupac assassination YouTube channel. I do live shows. So I man It's been great. Thank you so much for coming on. Let's break down the episode. I would you guys think Nothing's changed dude, I don't know if you know, but you know Adam 22. Yeah jumper. Yeah, uh, I call people on his podcast

Starting point is 01:35:41 We're talking crip shit Just talking and they're arrested for opening their mouth well for murder not for opening their mouth but opening their mouth for killing somebody right allegedly yeah but making crimes i understand what you're saying so somebody went on his show and admitted to killing someone is that what you're saying yeah no so a little war on the street to crime yeah his co-hosts have admitted to crime to like burglary like robbing dispensaries But very nonchalant where they don't say nothing But the FBI has enough info where they connected them to the crime

Starting point is 01:36:12 You're a dude if you go on a podcast and talk about fucking crime, you're a retard Yeah, I mean that was the one thing I couldn't get behind In this episode was this kind of empathy? for couldn't get behind in this episode was this kind of empathy for the guy Keith or whatever DJ Keith or whatever his name was yeah yeah I mean like listen I have friends of mine that told a lie way early on in their career and Keith D I you know in their career and I get why they did it because they wanted to work in Hollywood, right? Not saying it's right, but I get it. But the issue becomes at some point you have to be like, yeah, exactly. I was like near the building, you know, kind

Starting point is 01:37:04 of that. I don't quite understand what you're saying Sam. You said you have friends that told a lie to have a career What does that mean? Steve run is easy. Oh, oh, okay. Gotcha. Geez. You're retard I didn't know what you're talking about. I mean, I thought you I thought we were talking about people talking about crime admitting the crimes No, but I'm what I'm saying is you know, that narrative was out there because, you know, the country was super patriotic at the time. And especially the guys on Punk'd. The guys on Punk'd were super patriotic. So when they found out he survived 9-11, that was, you know, now Steve, I'll be full disclosure,

Starting point is 01:37:41 one of the best comics you'll ever see, one of the best guys you'll ever see and was an incredible actor. But I, but it's like Hollywood, the, the, the, the, everything's rigged against you. So you kind of like try to find an end. And I got, I get it. I, what I'm saying is that he should have at some point walked it back. Yeah. But this is, this is completely, to me, this is completely different. That's, that's just, uh, something that's harmless.

Starting point is 01:38:11 Like this is you implicating yourself. He told a lie and that was the crime. The lie was the crime for Steve. These are people admitting the crimes they already committed for clout. I guess. I don't know. I mean, it's no, yeah. Okay.

Starting point is 01:38:24 So we have three different things going on here, right? We have Steve trying to say something to gain the system. Then we have guys on the Adam 22 being fucking retards for admitting that crime that they committed, which is retarded. That's a dumb thing. Keith D just trying to say anything to get out of jail. Yeah. But then continuing to tell the lie to anybody that would pay him money. Yeah Imagine him being in jail for something. It was all a lie in the beginning imagine all dude

Starting point is 01:38:56 I'm gonna go on there Tom. I killed Tupac. I was there on the strip blah blah blah No one's gonna believe me because I really didn't do it Let's see if we can get you arrested actually for killing Tupac. You want to see? Let's just do, let's do a little art project. Why would we do that? Just for a laugh to see if we could, I mean, he's already in trouble. Just being Johnny. Why don't we do you Johnny? Why don't we go? Cause he's the minority on the show. Yeah. And then you got a good shot, Johnny. It probably was you.

Starting point is 01:39:23 You, you do have a good shot. I heard. Does anybody really believe I'd be in the same place as to park You know, I'm saying like there's no chance of that ever happening. That's true. What about you Sam? You were already in Vegas could have been you okay. No, we're too young. Yeah, we're too young to have shot to pocket Okay. Now it's like accuse everybody on the show They've your own ass Now what it is? Oh, I thought it was a great show. I thought it was a, uh, you know, sometimes when we've discussed it before, you could be like, I have, we already discussed it, but at the end, dude,

Starting point is 01:39:56 I mean, literally the black JFK, literally. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Would you agree that, uh, Diddy has nothing to do with it? Um, No, no if I'm willing to write that guy out of anything Yeah, I mean dude, he could have a something to do with he could have something to do with October 7th. I don't know You never know dude, you never know so he could be in on any of it so I'm not gonna sit here and say that he's not part of it, but it sounds

Starting point is 01:40:27 like just like with, just like with, with, um, Biggie Smalls, the cops were totally LAPD was involved. And then you kind of get into that. These are both guys is saying about killing cops and then you get into that the second at the record label That's saying about killing cops was the son of one of the most powerful cops in Compton Yeah, holy crazy You got to go that part I wish I'd ask him a little more about the structure of the police department and Compton, cause where's the overlap there with like the LAPD?

Starting point is 01:41:06 How does that work with the beats and stuff? Oh, that's a great question. Is it all under LAPD? Yeah. Is Compton considered Los Angeles? I know it's LA County. I would assume it is part, but he said like Compton PD, right? Very interesting.

Starting point is 01:41:22 Johnny, Johnny, good job not asking that. Well, I was Compton. OK, so it's part of the sheriff's department. Well, they have a share. Let's see. OK, Compton Police Department. Oh, maybe it's oh, it's been disbanded. OK, it says the Compton Police Department was the law enforcement agency for the city of Compton until it was disbanded by the city council.

Starting point is 01:41:41 Yeah, for being corrupt. Yeah, I wonder why. So crazy. So, and then it contracted with the county for law enforcement services. So it's served by the sheriff's department now. All right. Well, I thought it was a great discussion. I hope you guys enjoyed it too. Uh, a very, very crazy discussion guys.

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Starting point is 01:46:28 What? So, there again every year, this group of people, Jews, okay, come out and say that saying Christ is king is offensive to, you know? Really? Yeah. And it's a big thing that Candace Owens is on right now And she has this hilarious video where they like they set up a debate about whether the term crisis King and They had like 15 people there and 13 of them were Jews discussing this and you're like I mean like that doesn't really make any sense and they have one Christian and then a Indian dude and the rest her You know

Starting point is 01:47:08 That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, I'm trying to find somebody talking only thing I can find Go to Candace Owen can that's what I'm looking at here. It's Candace Owens crisis king says in Political and social commentator Candace Owen spark no go to firestorm. I'm firestorm by tweeting, Christ is King. She just tweeted that in November 2033. By itself, that phrase would hardly be surprising to read from a person who calls himself or herself a Christian. So, I guess she's the one that is being accused of having polluted it, I guess? I'm doing Twitter now. But that is… is What am I going to her Twitter or just typing in that phrase? Yeah, just uh Twitter crisis King and you should find one where she's breaking down This study that they did in which they had a debate is crisis King

Starting point is 01:47:59 Offensive now I've said this in stand-up comedy if you have to ask if it's in Offensive it's not offensive you are medically know it's offensive, right? So it's like I remember I was working at crunch and my buddy of mine worked there He's the nicest guy and I will go he was Jewish. I go. Hey is Jew offensive. He goes. I don't know Let me ask and I go dude if you gotta ask, it's not offensive. Yeah, totally. That's totally right. I mean, if you didn't immediately react to it,

Starting point is 01:48:32 is this it right here? When you look at, because I just said, okay, who funded this study? Who did this study? Yeah, this is it. Is this Christians coming together and recognizing a problem amongst Christians?

Starting point is 01:48:44 Because that would make a little more sense. I would still strongly... Stop it. Real quick. It's like, listen, anybody who gets to this level, you always have to go, okay, how did that happen? But the question becomes, and I'm not, and I'm open minded to anything anybody says, is like what she's talking about, is that add to the whole thing that, the whole theory about why Hitler's job in World War II was to scare the Jews so they all moved to Israel? Have you heard that theory? Like that was a big thing because the Jews

Starting point is 01:49:24 didn't wanna move, the Europeans Jews didn't want to move. Yeah, they were living, they loved living in Europe. They didn't want to go. So the whole theory was they had to scare them. And that was a big part of what Hitler's role was. So they always say that, you know. Yeah, they had to force them on.

Starting point is 01:49:42 It's almost like the Ukrainians pulling these guys on the front lines. Johnny, I've already said this before if you go sam gun to your head Who who went to the camps? I think it was the orthodox That if you're asking me, I know it's a dangerous conversation But that's my opinion I've said before on conspiracy social feels it kind of reminds me though of them forcing them to israel It's like kind of like how the ukrainians are snatching up kids and putting them on the front lines Yeah, like hey, you got to go live and there's something into like the cleansing of that as well

Starting point is 01:50:11 You got to live on these settlements right it in a war zone technically Yeah, and it's like who's who who's being sent to those front lines as a Christians. Anyways, oh, oh and Ukraine really? Yeah, I mean there's a big talk about that like what's going on in Syria is Christians getting cleansed, you know, and then Ben Ben Shapiro's like, oh, you know cool. Yeah Some Christians are gonna die. Is that they crazy? It's like you're a fucking piece shit He's I don't care how big your sister's tits are. Okay, you're a garbage man. All right They're so big her body. I. Ju pussy is a voodoo dog It will lock you in and make you a Zionist real quickly, dude

Starting point is 01:50:51 It's almost like the agent Smith figure, you know where when you put it That's like Jewish pussy dude you stick your dick Stop picking on them anti-seic! That's how it goes. Suddenly you're just finding dollars everywhere on the street. Totally, totally. We get a tattoo, we will dance again, right? So, fast forward, she... Oh, by the way, speaking of dancing Jews, I put in a FOIA request for the... It turned out someone had FOIA'd the photographs taken by the dancing Israelis.

Starting point is 01:51:26 And the FBI, a few years ago, a listener of Adam Green's... Adam Green, shout out to Adam Green. ...showed the photos that the FBI gave him as a response to the FOIA. They're really shitty, like, photocopies with the most important part, their faces of them celebrating completely obscured, right? Now, these are guys who went on television acknowledging they were those people so there's no interest in protecting their privacy And not at all. So I put in a new foyer this week with the FBI. Johnny, let it be dangerous. So we're gonna see what happens. Dangerous conversation. Welcome to Broke For Tim. Well, no, I think the new FBI. The new FBI maybe will uh

Starting point is 01:52:03 Well, it's, the Zionist guy. Shh, shh, shh. Okay. I'm trying to get it. So anyway, yeah, but here's the problem with everything is that now we're, maybe it's always been this, but we're now in a place where there's not really facts anymore, it's what's your opinion on the subject.

Starting point is 01:52:22 And like, so you'll be like, dude, they admitted it, they did all this, and then you're just having not true. You're totally lying and you're like, okay That's where we miss old-school journalism where people had to the journalists did it to themselves to with blogs and all that shit Well, you used to be you didn't report anything until you had at least corporations did that to us at least three corporations Paid the people that would lie and say whatever they want. Like today I was at home, Dana's like, I can't find the remote.

Starting point is 01:52:49 It's just luckily stuck on MSNBC for her. And hand to God, they had some Asian chick on there going, the measles her hein is 97% effective. I go, how can you? There are super cuts of Rachel Maddow saying the hey is 100% effective. And you get the injection. It stops with you. Yeah. That's what she said. John, you got to say, yeah, that's an injection. No, yeah, but they don't know what I'm talking about getting injected by a prep. We all need some prep in our ass. Can we get prep to sponsor the show?

Starting point is 01:53:26 Apparently, I'm a tranny chancer. So she basically breaks it. I can't say injection, but you can say tranny. No, can I? I think AI will get really crazy. But wait, hold on. Yeah, but that's not even the problem with that particular injection.

Starting point is 01:53:40 The problem is the side effects of it. So what if it prevents measles, but it causes your children to die? You know what I mean? Yeah, it's just so dumb. So anyways, this whole thing, she talks about this debate that this group was set up. Does she have her own like Janet Jackson style like photo collage here? Yeah, of her there and then her as a kid. Johnny, just jump around fast forward where I could just see the screen.

Starting point is 01:54:08 But if it was all Christians that can. It's hard because the cursor has disappeared on us. Nice. Which one of you Jews should be shouting at the other Jews? You can be a good Jew or you can be a bad Jew. Go back, go back, go back. You know her husband's Jewish. It's so crazy. Oh, here it is. Who is Jewish? We have. Stop. Okay. Go back just a little bit more. She breaks down everybody in this study. It's so crazy. Our problem, we've got to address it. Then I would be much more understanding this Lenten season, but it's not that. Okay. It's not that. Look at the list of the people who are part of the study.

Starting point is 01:54:42 So I count one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13 individuals who took place in this study. Okay, 13 individuals. Yeah, her skin is perfect. All right. The first principal investigator there that you have, Dr. Lee Jossam, is Jewish.

Starting point is 01:54:57 Dr. Jordan Peterson has said he does not believe in Christ. We're gonna get to him in a second. So he's unknown, I guess we could say, an atheist perhaps. Reverend Dr. Johnny Moore, who I would refer to as the token Christian because he's the only one. And he's the one that retweeted this study and got this going this morning. We're going to speak more about him. Then we have Dr. Joel Finkelstein, who is Jewish. We have Jacob Zucker, who is Jewish. We have Danny Sarah Finkelstein, who is Jewish. We have Sonia Yanovski, who is Jewish. We have Alex Goldenberg, who is Jewish. We have Ohad Fadida, who is Jewish.

Starting point is 01:55:29 We have Gideon Ferher, who we checked, and he is Jewish. We have Simon Lazarus, who is Jewish. And the last two, Anissa Jagdeep and Ankita Jagdeep, are presumably Hindu, but they are Indian. Okay, stop. And Indians are Zion's as fuck. They're- Are they? Oh yeah.

Starting point is 01:55:48 And it gets into the British Empire. Conquer them, flip them. You know, it's like, I tell you, Johnny, it's the United States, probably Canada, but definitely United States. If you'd like to hear the rest of this episode, subscribe to Broken Simulation in your podcasting app, or check us out at youtube.com slash Sam Trippoli. That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron!

Starting point is 01:56:29 This is only the beginning. Dude, you just blew my mind. Tim Foyle hack.

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