Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #880: Strange Gods With Michael Hoffman

Starting point is 00:00:00 Tin foil hat. Yo, what the fuck are you guys even talking about? Global controls will have to be imposed. And a world governing body will be created to enforce them. Welcome to Tin Foil Hat. We go deep home, boys. Eric, open your mic. Drink from the fountain of knowledge.

Starting point is 00:00:27 There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron. This is only the beginning. You just blew my mind. Are you ready to get your mind blown? Alright, welcome to Tim Foyle hat, live from the Wise Wolf Gold and Silver Studios.

Starting point is 00:00:48 Go to samtriplea.gold, use the promo code Tim Foyle, and get in the Precious Smell Games for as little as $50 a month. It's just that simple. Very excited about today's show. We're gonna get into my favorite subject, which is in fact, hidden History, Revisionist History, you know, this whole debate going on in the world right now about history and experts and all that stuff is, I couldn't think of a better

Starting point is 00:01:14 time to have our next guest on. He is a author of 10 books. He is a Revisionist History expert. I hope to, you know, we get the experts on the show and we're very excited to have him on. It is a revisionist history expert. I hope to, you know, we get the experts on the show and we're very excited to have him on. It is a blessing to have him here today. Please welcome author Michael Hoffman. Sir, how are you? Thank you, Sam, and thank you very much for this opportunity. Anytime, all the time, my friend. Anytime, all the time. For those who may not be familiar with you and your work, can you tell us a little bit about yourself? Well, I studied at the State University of New York at Oswego and also Hobart College in the Finger Lakes region of upstate New York. I worked as a reporter for the Associated Press.

Starting point is 00:01:57 I covered all kinds of crimes. I was on the Son of Sam case. I was on the son of Sam case. I was on the double initial murders. And then I went into the field that I'm in now, history and politics. Noam Chomsky intervened for me, the MIT professor at the time who was very busy and I was deeply impressed by his intervention when I was fired from a radio station

Starting point is 00:02:20 upstate New York in 1982 for broadcasting a documentary titled Zionism, Racism, and the Beirut Massacre, mostly turning on the now largely forgotten carpet bombing of downtown Beirut in the summer of 1982, culminating in a wholesale terror bombing in August. And, of course, we're familiar with those sites now from Gaza since October 2023. And so from there I moved on to working for the Institute for Historical Review. I wrote a media column for Spotlight newspaper, a national newspaper which at one time had 400,000 subscribers. And since well for about the past 35 years I've been an independent historian without institutional support but I have the support of many readers

Starting point is 00:03:06 who value independent history and the kind of perspectives that I've been able to offer over the years. This must be an interesting time for you because so much of, I believe, and I could be wrong, but we'll get into it, of what you've probably been talking about for a very long time seems to be coming to the

Starting point is 00:03:25 light. And the amount of pushback on it is absolutely insanity to me. And the way people ... We were just having discussion before the show about... My belief is that we're in this unmasking time where people are, you know, you see it happen over and over again on the left where they state a position and then they flip-flop on it very quickly, this mental gymnastics they must do. And now, now we're seeing it with a certain subject Zionism. It's an interesting time for you and everyone who's been working so hard to get out what is seen as alternative history, what is seen as alternative data. Real quick, before we get into everything, what is the website or where would you like

Starting point is 00:04:21 people to go if they want to see any of your work? Revisionisthistory.org is one, and my Substack column, michaelhoffman.substack.com. All right, all those links will be in the notes to the episode, so please click on them and show Mr. Hoffman some support. Interesting times right now. I have a friend of mine, I would call him an acquaintance. We've been very nice, cordial to each other almost throughout

Starting point is 00:04:51 time. You know, and I went on this particular podcast, the Jake Shields podcast, and I was talking about how my opinion is that there should not be protected classes. If we're going to have a, we're gonna talk 9-eleven, we should be able to talk about anybody and everybody that we feel Even if it's a 1% involvement that they were involved, but it seems to be like, you know This guy this comedic acquaintance of mine wants to have a conversation on the phone for I don't know what to basically Set the record straight with me, I don't know what date he's gonna give me but it seems to be like this Do you feel that what is coming out right now? We were having discussion before this how authentic? This discussion is right now. Do you think it's authentically growing and coming to light?

Starting point is 00:05:48 Or do you think there's some alternatives to it? Well, I was struck by your use of the term unmasking because I've been concerned with a study of what I call revelation of the method, and that we've reached a point in the processing of humanity where letting secrets out, which were formerly concealed and heavily guarded is not having an enormous impact because people are fundamentally burned out by the revelation itself. Yes. Many people in the conspiracy theory movement I find are so burned out and so demoralized that they're no longer in the movement in order to seek the truth

Starting point is 00:06:25 and prosecute the perpetrators, but rather to get a dopamine adrenaline rush and then go from one thrill to the next. And if you or I don't offer that next thrill, then they abandon us for whoever can offer that. But veritas and the truth is not necessarily in it. And that's been the theme of my two books on the occult secret societies and psychological warfare and most recently twilight language, especially in twilight language. I do talk about this baleful effect of revelation of the method. So what we need to do is we need to humanize people to take them from the dehumanization process, which this entire alchemy, which is out there on the internet and video and so forth,

Starting point is 00:07:07 and take them back into being human so that they can perceive these things. And one of the things I advocate is a fast from the internet, a fast from electronic data. Stare at the printed page for a couple of weeks. Up here in North Idaho, where I reside, it's rather easy to do that. Just take a walk out your back door

Starting point is 00:07:26 and you're in one of the national wildernesses. But nonetheless, I lived in New York and it can be done there. So that's one point, the psychological aspect of it. And then otherwise I'm very happy to see that my work, for example, is being exposed to the public and I'm having a chance to disseminate it. Substack has been a big help and of course the website, even though I'm constantly interdicted, you know, Google

Starting point is 00:07:53 in the search engine, if you look for revisionist history, there's like 50 entries for Malcolm Gladwell, someone who I regard as an establishment shill, and then to try and find me you'd have to be on page 12 or something like that. So there's lots of obstacles. We kicked off of YouTube, kicked off of PayPal, but it's okay. It goes with the territory. We're in a war of ideas and this is what it entails.

Starting point is 00:08:16 Well, this is already my favorite episode. I'm already, we're five minutes in, six minutes in, and I'm already, this is what I do it for. Five minutes in, six minutes in, and I'm all right. This is what I do it for. How important is it to know what exactly happened? How important do you think it is to know that the history is written by the victors, history is written by people who create Babylonian money magic and have basically used that Babylonian money magic system the fracture reserve banking and taken it and basically my opinion bribed the entire world like use this phony money that they these basically binary ones and zeros to to basically buy everybody's belief system and and to be

Starting point is 00:09:03 able to get out what is I'm looking at the name of some of your books right here and I find it absolutely amazing because this is stuff that we've talked a lot about on this show and it's crazy to me that you have to go on a show called tinfall hat to hear what what I believe is the real history how important important is it? In in the scheme of things do you believe it is to get this kind of information out like Like there's so many people out there like I I I you know, i'm not gonna lie to you, man There's I get I get tired man. I get really tired Constantly trying to be like but but here's here's here never heard. Here's data that's been excluded from the

Starting point is 00:09:47 discussion that you are passionately having with everybody. And it's gotten to the point where I feel very much on an island. I feel very much alone. Even the people who are talking about what I am talking about, I've somewhat been boxed into this kind of distant corner and, uh, basically left on an island. And I wondered like, like, I wouldn't do it any other way, but sometimes I'm like, do I just want to go out there and buy a bunch of laundry mats and just like disappear from the world? And I, I'm being dead serious.

Starting point is 00:10:20 So how important is it for us to get this information out to people so that they know, are we fighting a righteous battle or are we just taking on windmills right now? Well, it's a righteous battle, but there's also this psychology, this alchemy that I've been talking about. And in the Bible, it says the love of money is the root of evil. And that's certainly true emphasis on love. There's nothing wrong with money, which is a form of energy,

Starting point is 00:10:49 but the love of it is our undoing. And in India, they have an alternate view. They say that the loss of memory is the root of evil. And I would say both of them are true. And it's, and the system that is opposing us, opposing our humanity and wanting to lock us down is most heavily invested in this loss of memory. So that for example, on April 19th, this past weekend, the 250th anniversary of Lexington

Starting point is 00:11:17 Concord went by, they were the farmers stood up against not British troops as conformist history says, but their own police, okay? That whether it was the British army or a Tory militia that went after them, it was the constituted authority of the time in British America and colonial America that was sent to do what? To confiscate their firearms. Those two factors in that story,

Starting point is 00:11:44 there's two omissions right there by not emphasizing that and teaching that to our young people. Lexington and Concord, the shot heard around the world, the first real battle of the American Revolution was fought over the confiscation of guns by the constituted authority of the time. Whereas Conformist history presents that as being foreign troops shipped

Starting point is 00:12:06 over from Great Britain doing this, wherever they were shipped from, they were the constituted authority and yet American farmers stood up against them. That's a titanic moment in our history. It's the 250th anniversary. I didn't see much about it and that's frightening to me because I think that this is being instilled in us and we have a society which is increasingly obsessed with Hollywood celebrities and music celebrities and fashions and even if you go on websites like the New York Post Owned by Rupert Murdoch, which is supposed to be a conservative outlet Interested in the survival of the commonweal and you find all of this gossip about the survival of the commonweal. And you find all of this gossip about who's sleeping with who and who took this drug and what murder occurred in the backyard of some Long Island wealthy person.

Starting point is 00:12:52 And so there's this disorientation and it's being exploited maximally. So it's more than ever important that we understand the past so we're not condemned to repeat it, which is another saying, I think, by George Santayana who said that. And if we forget and this amnesia is instilled in us, then we're just lost because the lessons of history are very important. It's one of the reasons America arrived at where it was, the awareness of this concept

Starting point is 00:13:20 of the divine right of kings, absolute monarchies, and how, for example, in the mid-17th century, the British, for the first time, overthrew their king, executed him. He was a tyrant. And then this was the template for the American Founding Fathers. Had they not remembered that and all its myriad details, we may not have had our revolution. We might have been in the same state as Canada, which is Canada is basically what America would have looked like had we not fought our revolution, which means a prescription against the proscribing of freedom of speech and freedom of press. Now we certainly have some of that in America today, but it's controversial and we can fight

Starting point is 00:14:04 against it through various means. But in Canada, it's a principle that what the king said, what the queen said, and now as you say, this Babylonian money system says, it's here in the United States. I wrote a book called Usury in Christendom, the mortal sin that was and now is not, on what the Bible and what Christian tradition for 1600 years up until the Renaissance taught about the renting of money, which it was considered to be a dreadful thing. You could have loans, and I explain in my book how those loans were undertaken without interest, but it's all part of this picture, and it's never more important than to teach

Starting point is 00:14:42 history and to teach it correctly. And I've often felt that the teachers that inspired me were the great storytellers. They had a story to tell about Abraham Lincoln walking into a dance when he was 18 or 19 years old and upsetting all the girls there, not because his pants were too short or his arms were sticking out of his sleeves, but because they knew he was going to draw all the boys and men over to the corner of the room to listen to him tell dirty jokes. Okay, you saved me. If you can introduce kids to an interest in Lincoln in that way, not necessarily through a lewd anecdote, although Lincoln could be pretty obscene. I think that's the way you do it. And there's other aspects of the case. The night that Robert E. Lee surrendered to Grant, Abraham Lincoln was sitting on the bed

Starting point is 00:15:31 of his wounded, he had been injured in an accident, William Seward, his secretary of state, sitting on his bed holding his hand. He wasn't even aware that the surrender had happened, because he'd been out touring Richmond, Virginia and areas like that. And what was his first interest? To rush back to Seward's bedside and to console him. And only when he returned to the White House about nine or 10 p.m. that evening did he find out that largely,

Starting point is 00:15:56 although not entirely, the war between the states was over with. So it's very important, I mean, it's a sacred mission to teach history, to make it interesting to kids, not just numbers, dates, and figures, and then also to undertake what we're trying to do here on the program, which is to not be dissuaded from these forbidden topics by the various gatekeepers who are telling us that we're haters and when we're dreadful people for for doing this, when in fact

Starting point is 00:16:21 I say who indeed are the haters? If I'm trying to explain what is the theological root of the genocide taking place in Gaza, how is that hateful? I'm trying to expose hate. So often the tables, there's an attempt to turn the tables on us, but I reject that and I welcome debate. I've been trying to debate Ben Shapiro for years.

Starting point is 00:16:40 But no takers. Yeah, it's crazy to me how the there's so many people whose brand has been to debate debate blue hair, purple hair, green hair, college kids. And they just curb some things because they are kids we've created a system in which basically a childhood goes down to your mid 20s. At least I mean, have you seen pictures where they compared like a 24 year old in 1960 versus a 20 year old today?

Starting point is 00:17:15 The 20 year old of before looks like the parents of the 20 year old today. Because they've already had kids and done three years of factory work, you know? And it gets into like, and I don't want to stray from the course, but it's like when people get all this plastic surgery done they can't shave the years out of their eyes no you can you can nip and tuck to your blue in the face or look like a cat which seems to

Starting point is 00:17:37 be the end result of all this stuff but the end of the day it's like you we see that you've lived life in your eyes and your neck too and your hands yeah they get back to it it's just like I always say I don't think people are getting dumber I just think they're getting just saturated and drowned in in just useless data and this goes back to what you're talking about the New York Times who's on drugs who? Who's dating who? What OnlyFans is suing? What celebrity today for just stupid stuff that makes no sense? And you know, like we just did an episode and again, I don't want to get too far off it, but like the little season, like are we in this like end of this low vibrational time when evil is celebrated? I look at, like, you know, I hate

Starting point is 00:18:25 to say it, just look at comedy and who gets promoted and who doesn't. It makes me really sad. And it goes back to this kind of, like, thing going on right now, this demonization of Jesus with everybody, that everybody, not everybody, but this section of the internet is really into that this guy who is presented to us as love and light, but now he's this, he's this, he's this, he's not this, he's this, this who, the image of him that we see is not real, blah, blah, blah, it goes on and on and on. And when you see Jesus walks into this market

Starting point is 00:19:02 or this temple or wherever, and he kicks over a table of people doing usury and said you know says that's evil that says something to me that story is never ever ever challenged that he kicked over a table and here we are where we have this system ran out of Switzerland by the Bank of International Settlements which controls all of these all of these Federal reserves the centralized banks And what they're doing to the world and it's just it's absolutely insanity to me and how nobody under When someone goes hey man this president regardless of what you think of

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Starting point is 00:24:58 Burbank, the revival's back on the 1st of May, Bellflower, I'm at the Stand Up Comedy Club, Cleveland, Ohio, at Hilarity's. And now we just added, it will be on my website by the time you hear this, on the 14th, we're in Pittsburgh again. I really appreciate them having out in the San Diego Day Exchange. I'll get you the new dates on that. So where would you like to start, sir? I'm going to start on a fairly radical plank. I'm relating that I'm weary of Israeli supremacy, Sam, in Congress and the media and the expectation that all respectable people must submit to its hallucinatory

Starting point is 00:25:33 egomania, for want of a better word. And I say that I risk being demonized or canceled just by stating that truth. We're called to worship one God in heaven and not a multiplicity of false Zionist gods on earth. Lord Jonathan Sacks, who is a highly regarded as a scripture scholar, he's deceased now, was chief rabbi of the United Hebrew congregations of the Commonwealth of Britain.

Starting point is 00:25:59 And in a disgraceful review of a book by Jonathan Rosen called The Talmud and the Internet, this esteemed chief rabbi wrote, and I quote, "'Rosen loves, as I do, the extraordinary moment in the Talmud in which God is outvoted on a point of Jewish law and celebrates the fact that his children have defeated him. In the world of the rabbis, not only

Starting point is 00:26:21 do men study the word of God, God studies the word of men." Rabbi Sachs is referring to a tractate in the Talmud Bavli, which is to say the Babylonian Talmud, Bava Metzviah 59b, in which Rabbi Yahashua contradicts God by declaring that the law is rightfully decided on earth by the rabbis and not in heaven. And the Talmud has God admit he was wrong. It puts these words into God's mouth, quote, my sons have defeated me, my sons have defeated me. So the Talmudic mentality contradicts God himself.

Starting point is 00:26:58 It will certainly not brook any restraint from international laws or courts or any pleas from humanitarian considerations, Zionism is an occult dictatorship emanating from the Torah shi bil prech, that is to say the counterfeit Torah founded upon the traditions of men, the oral law that Jesus condemned in Mark 7 and Matthew 15. So the Talmudic mindset posits that the fear and trepidation of privileged students ensconced in the gilded environs of Harvard and Columbia University are more worthy of congressional and media focus than the thousands of Arab children who are rotting in newly dug graves

Starting point is 00:27:41 crushed under the bombed rubble of Gaza and in the cross hairs of Israeli killers as I read these words. So I think that what we need to understand is, is that there is a real world result as a result of the weaponization of the Talmud by Zionism. That's one of the things that really burns in my heart about this is I see these children being massacred and their mothers and fathers this is I see these children being massacred and

Starting point is 00:28:05 their mothers and fathers, the non-combatants, massacred and it's just business as usual in America. You know, it's like, oh well we wish it wouldn't happen and so forth. It's a type of holocaust in my view and so what the question comes to is there a theological basis for this? And there is, but it has to be nuanced, Sam, because we have to walk between two extremes. The extreme of Jew hate, which is ungodly and wrong, and I've seen too much of it, the misuse of some of the information that I'm providing here. But then on the opposite side, the idolization of Judaic people, which is also ungodly and destructive, especially if it turns into a kind of racial supremacism, which I think

Starting point is 00:28:51 we're seeing in the Middle East, certainly a theological supremacism. So that's the basis of a great deal of my work in this way, as well as the advancement of knowledge, the pure pursuit of truth. If someone is studying critically the Catholicism or the Catholic Church, it doesn't mean they're anti-Italian. Yes, I agree, dude. I so agree, dude. Yeah, and if somebody is studying Talmudism, as I do, I actually consider myself an ally of Judaic people, and I've had Judaic people help me in my research. My big textbook, Judaism Discovered, of 1100 pages, some of the translations I used were provided by a Karaite.

Starting point is 00:29:35 And many people don't even, they think that today's Talmudists are Karaites. Karaites are the Judaic people who only adhere to the Old Testament and reject the traditions of men, which is the oral law, the Torah shi'bil pech. And they came and helped me with some of those translations. And of course, I've been friends with many Judaic scholars like Noam Chomsky and others. So the point is, is this is not anti-Judaic. If anything, it's helping to free Judaic people. Those few, by the way, who even know what the Talmud is, because most of them, if they knew the contents of the Talmud, they would condemn it.

Starting point is 00:30:12 We need to keep that factor open. But as far as dissuading Judaic people from the aura of reverence which surrounds the Talmud and the creed of Talmudism, I think that's important not only for the survival of Arab people in Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine, but also for the truth, the pursuit of the truth. And there's a lot going on here, and I thank you once again for this opportunity to bring it forward. Can I ask you now, to what extent would you say the average person who lives in Israel, to what extent are they knowledgeable about the Talmud? Because these are the people that are going to have to serve in the military and in the

Starting point is 00:30:52 end. Well, it's increasing. It used to be, of course, that the state of the Israeli state was founded by atheists and Marxists. And so then as time has gone on, the demographic has worked against them because typically secular people are not having enough children to reproduce themselves, which is 2.1. In other words, every other family has three children, whereas the Talmudists are, and also they're what's so-called religious Zionists, you have to sort of make a distinction between the settlers who practice one type of Telmudism, the homicidal settlers who are now trying to

Starting point is 00:31:31 take over the West Bank, and then the Haredi or Hasidim as we call them in the United States who are practicing a somewhat different form. There's also a splinter group of Hasidim who are anti-Zionist. At one time all Orthodox Telmudists were anti-Zionist in the 19th century because there's actually laws in the Talmud about not taking up the sword against the Gentiles until the Messiah returns. But that that notion was, or that theology actually, was overthrown at least by 1920 with an aptly named rabbi named Kuk, K-O-O-K, who began to merge Zionism with the Talmud.

Starting point is 00:32:09 And now that's largely carried the day. But most of the Israeli population is still secular. They probably have, like the population in America, possibly taken a peek at the Talmud. They probably have also heard that the Talmud represents the micromanagement of the lives of Judaic people down to the most minute particulars. And who being free of that would want to voluntarily take that bondage up, although there are people who are doing especially the Chabad Lubavitch missionaries who go around trying to bring people into the Orthodox faith. So, you would say the leadership, especially the

Starting point is 00:32:54 Zionist leadership, which is, you know, most of it now, is knowledgeable about the Talmud, and that motivates their actions, right? But… No, I don't think so. I think the leadership uses it as a fetish, as a totem. Oh, interesting. Okay. All these people, Ariel, Sharon, Netanyahu, and others, they're sometimes castigated as lobster eaters or I don't know if they actually eat pork, but lobster is also one of the condemned foods that they're not supposed to eat. In other words, they tell me to sort of look down on them, but on the other hand, they depend on them to help to proceed with what they regard,

Starting point is 00:33:30 their interpretation of the Talmud as the absolute extirpation of the Palestinians so that they can have this rule almost across the Middle East. However, now under Netanyahu, in order for him to retain power, he has had to reach out in some significant ways to some real, really wild racist right-wing Talmudists such as Ben Giver, Itamar Ben Giver, and Batzai'l Shmokrich.

Starting point is 00:33:59 And these are guys that are kahanists, followers of, I hear, Kahana, who wrote a book called They Must Go, saying that the Arab population had to be expelled. He advocated the murder of Palestinians openly. And so this is a factor, certainly, but the Zionists rely on the Talmud, like they rely on their spurious interpretation of the Bible, the Old Testament, as a means of justifying all of this bloodshed. So naturally,

Starting point is 00:34:26 they use it, but as far as whether they even know what a dafiyomi is, in other words, a page of the Talmud, or they've actually sat down and read any of it, I sincerely doubt it because the Israeli state is a pretty, you know, very largely secular left-wing society, but this is what we're facing right now is an increase in the army, for example, because of one of the books written, Torah Chamelech, based on Mehamedes, sure you've heard of the medieval rabbi Mehamedes, who is an authority in halakha and Judaic law, and based on his books on the laws of warfare and the laws of kings, this book was printed and published by a couple of West Bank settler rabbis called Torret Hamelech, and in there it says that you should even kill the babies of your enemies

Starting point is 00:35:17 because they're going to grow up to oppose you eventually. And so this, you do have now an increasing number, I wouldn't want to try and put a figure on it, is that five, 10, 15% of the Israeli armed forces are oriented this way, or actually tell me this. On the other hand, Zionism has its own racism. I mean, Zionism is a military force put into effect since 1948 there, has been always dismissive of the Arab people from a point of view, one

Starting point is 00:35:47 could say almost from a modern point of view as being backward, primitive, not equal to the Ashkenazi Judaics who came in from Eastern Europe and Germany. And of course, there's been a divide between the Sephardic Judaics who are the so-called Oriental or Middle Eastern natives to the actual natives to the area and the Ashkenazi. The Ashkenazi continue to dominate in the Israeli state, but there is this cleavage. I've often said that it's the anti-Semites who keep the Israelis united because there are so many different factions there that they would tear each other apart if it were not for this exterior menace. And of course,

Starting point is 00:36:25 terrorist groups like Hamas are the worst enemy of the Palestinians. And, uh, I completely decry what happened in October to those 1200 people. I knew about the Hannibal directive and I know that in some degrees, Max Blumenthal did a wonderful video on the exaggeration of the mass murder, but there's no doubt mass murder occurred and Hamas undertook it and they bear responsibility for that. But what should have happened is according to just war theory is, is that Israeli special forces went in there, took out the top Hamas leadership supported by helicopter gunships and things like that, and then put them

Starting point is 00:37:07 on trial for war crimes. But you don't collectively punish an entire nation of people. Here you can see the Talmudic disrespect for the Palestinians and for non-Judaic people in general, unless certain people are qualified as allies, Shabbos go away or something like that. But there's this revulsion and contempt for the Palestinians, even on the part of Zionists who are not religious. So this has certainly led to much of the genocide. One doesn't have to be a Talmudist in order to commit these war crimes. After all, America has committed them and most of us allegedly are not tail-muting. So, so before we go even deeper, there's this whole notion from the the The anti anti-semite movement on the internet that

Starting point is 00:37:59 Why are we just focusing on Israel? Why aren't we focusing on what's happening in the Congo, when parts of Africa and all these others, all these other regions where children are being murdered, villagers are being killed and all that stuff. I have my feelings, but why that is, but I would love to know what your take is, sir. Why do you think there's so much focus on what Israel's doing versus

Starting point is 00:38:29 what's happening, let's say in the Congo or Yemen, Yemen's now in the discussion because involves Israel, but what are your thoughts on it? Well, uh, Israel is committing these murders with my tax dollars. So that, uh, that makes me, uh, tax dollars. So that makes me complicit. So that's number one. We're sending them the bombs and the armaments which make this possible. Were it not for United States support, the Israelis would not have, we're up to 50, 60,000 Palestinians killed.

Starting point is 00:39:02 What section of that is combatants and what section is civilians? Certainly the largest proportion of that are civilians, and that's been done with the United States of America. And we did similar acts of genocide in Iraq and Afghanistan. We seem to be hell-bent on this neocon insistence that we make enemies of everyone in the Middle East except for the Israelis. So that's my basis. To the best of my knowledge, I'm not paying for massacres in the Congo, but I am paying for those in the Israeli state. And secondly, Sam, I would say that the Israelis and the Israeli state has held itself up as a humanitarian gold standard to the world, allegedly God's people actuating and effectuating God's book and a standard for all of humanity. Is this is

Starting point is 00:39:51 the standard? This bloodshed, this mercilessness, this contempt for Palestinian and Arab life? I don't think so. So all of those things are bound to stimulate in people a reaction and it's understandable and it's not out of proportion. Now there is another class of people, the people I classify as Jew-hey, that they regard, they have an orientation on Judaism as being the only evil and they look on the cryptocracy as being wholly Judaic and entirely in the service of Judaism. And when I was writing my book on the Renaissance, the occult Renaissance Church of Rome, exploring the enormous change that occurred in the 16th

Starting point is 00:40:32 century, actually at the Council of Florence around circa 1450 with Pletho, this mysterious Greek who brought these teachings of Neoplatonic Hermeticism to that council. And then from there, the Medici founded the Florence Academy, the neoplatonic academy. And from there, you saw the rise of the money power with the Medici bankers and the Strozzi as well as the Fugers. But my point is, is that when I was looking at that occult suzerinity that was arising out of the Renaissance, I also saw at the same time that there was a cryptocracy that was independent of Judaism because Judaic banking at the time, the Medici, Strozzi and Fuger, Fuger was a Catholic banking house

Starting point is 00:41:18 in Germany, probably the wealthiest in the West, when they were doing that, the Rothschilds were nobody. They were rag pickers and pawn brokers. So the notion, and a lot of this comes out of Ezra Pound, who I respect a great deal, but he begins his analysis of the usurious economy with the Bank of England in the 17th century. He has a soft spot for the Medici and Renaissance Italians in general,

Starting point is 00:41:43 which I think is misplaced, but I still honor him for his courage in many other respects. But nonetheless, I saw a non-Judaic cryptocracy operating in the Renaissance with regard to this money issue, with regard to the introduction of the occult into the Catholic Church. And Judaic people played a very small role in that at that time. There is a wing of the cryptocracy

Starting point is 00:42:09 that wants to conceal itself. Yes. Putting forth an entirely Jewish face on things. Yes. And that's a distraction and it's highly misleading in my view. God, I wish I was as smart as you because you articulated that so wonderfully.

Starting point is 00:42:25 I flung first grade, so I could never get that across. I talk about this all the time, it's like, for me, there were large, powerful religions before Abraham, before the Abrahamic religions. What happened to those religions? Well, I think they never disappeared. They just kind of cloaked themselves in this one small group of people.

Starting point is 00:42:48 And I think there's levels to this stuff. You know, and this is just Sam speaking based on 880 episodes of this show, going on eight years. If you go, Sam, who's running everything? It's these very old bankers from long, long time ago. And you know, it's like, what role does Britain have? I think so. What role does the British Empire have in so much of what's going on today? And this kind of this, this whole idea that the British Empire, I mean, we talk about how the Roman Empire ended, but when does

Starting point is 00:43:21 anyone ever talk about when the British Empire ended? It really isn't discussed. It just kind of quietly just disappeared and became a bank called the Bank of England. And you get into, you know, we have the doctrine which was, what was the doctrine where the Britain gave Israel, the Rothschilds Israel, what was it called? The Belfort Doctrine, excuse me. The Belfort Doctrine. And to me, that's just like theater. We're presenting this to these people,

Starting point is 00:43:54 and in reality, they still control it. It's not very openly known. I learned it on the show a very short time ago, from Jay Dyer when he came on the show a very short time ago that from Jay Dyer when he came on the show that the first king of the House of Sod was a British spy and the control of that. So when you say that they put a Jewish face on, I couldn't agree more. It's impossible for me to agree more. And when we get into like all this quote, unquote Jew hate on the internet

Starting point is 00:44:26 and on Twitter right now, you know, I was hanging out with a buddy of mine over Easter and he was just like, why is my entire timeline anti-Semitism or the presentation of anti-Semitism? And I go, personally, I go,'s the game plan. Like, all these religions have this kind of end of days, you know, scenario where all the Jews go back to Israel, and you know, Jews think that will mean that the Jews will be the rulers of the humanity, and the other side thinks that the Jews are all going to go to hell. And neither of them is a good ending to this. But if you study Hitler, there's a big discussion that Hitler's whole role was to scare European Jews back to Israel, to go to Israel to fulfill prophecy. And you know, we've gotten into this a lot.

Starting point is 00:45:27 We've had many discussions on Israel, what is, oh, I mean, excuse me, Adolf Hitler, what his role was, the discussion of Adolf Hitler is now becoming mainstream when you couldn't discuss it before, and like who he was, was he authentic to that, and how he's asked people, why didn't he, Hitler going to Switzerland, if he hated the bankers so much,

Starting point is 00:45:49 why didn't he roll into Switzerland? And the only answer I can get is because they had giant hills. People are like, oh, they have big mountains. Can't go into the big mountains. I go, well, if we believe they're in an anarchy, they're working with aliens or whatever cult weirdness is going on in anarchy, why couldn't they go into that?

Starting point is 00:46:06 Well, you know, nobody really wants to take a look at that. In all these, and excuse my language, sir, but all these Hitler dick riders that are out there like champion this guy, like he's the greatest that ever do it, I go, how does he rise up in a country that was so on lockdown after World War I, completely and utterly in control of the international bankers? in a country that was so on lockdown after World War I, completely and utterly in control of the international bankers.

Starting point is 00:46:29 How does he rise? He doesn't rise unless they want you to rise. And there's this argument about Trump. It's like, and I've said this before, like when you get all these cases thrown at you and you pretty much beat all of them, except for one where it's a civil suit, like that's kind of crazy to me that's like really

Starting point is 00:46:46 crazy to me pretty good in court i'm surprised that that's crazy dude if trump hired me to be his lawyer that's what i'm saying you're the best lawyer i heard about you in traffic court you've really crushed it um but the it's it's just this this kind of people can't come to grips this kind of people can't come to grips with that their brainwashing is incorrect. And it's happened at almost every single level everywhere. And going back to the Congo discussions, like when I see the Congo has handlers on every single one of our politicians,

Starting point is 00:47:20 except for Thomas Massey, right? Seems like that's why Israel is so Big in the discussion how they openly brag about Deciding who gets elected in America and I've said this before and I do believe you are correct that there are layers many many layers above above Jews above Israel above, above Jews, above Israel. But, you know, when Israel is basically treating America the way America treats Latin America,

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Starting point is 00:49:58 Rue We are k.com slash tin foil and we thank true work for sponsoring the show What is what would you like to young would you like to discuss? Usury, would you like to get into that or what would you cycle a secret societies? What would you like to get into sir? Well, I'd like to do that's your program You can tell me I I was here to discuss my book Judaism strange gods, but I am willing to expand out for example It's very interesting what you had to say about Hitler because if there wasn't any Nazism I don't believe there would have been an Israeli state

Starting point is 00:50:33 And also he got into power by arguing against taking up Gottfried fetter The economist Gottfried fetter was one of the most distinguished enemies of usury in the 20th century and he called he wrote a book called Breaking the Chains of Usury Slavery. And Hitler latched onto that because he knew the German people were hungry for that. And he made it the platform of the NSDAP, the National Socialist German Workers' Party. It actually had a left-wing tinge to it, National Socialists opposed to banking and usury and Gregor Strasser was a big part of that. And then when he came to power, he completely betrayed that movement.

Starting point is 00:51:13 He exiled internally, exiled Fetter. Fetter died of a broken heart around 1940 or 41, having been swindled by Hitler and seen his plans go up in smoke. Other usury campaigners, like Strasser, were murdered on the night of the long knives under the false pretext that some of them were plotters, such as Ernst Röhm, the head of the storm troopers, the SA. But Strasser certainly was not. Many innocent people were killed in days, as Hitler settled scores against anyone who could dissent from his betrayal and point it out. So what did he do? He suppressed the Judaic bankers, the Judaic user

Starting point is 00:51:54 bankers in Germany, and elevated the so-called Aryan bankers. And they had the same usury, the same enslavement of the German people in usury, but Hitler was okay with that because there is this banking element behind him. There's also this occult element because he got involved with theosophy and some of the 19th century occultism when he got out of the army and was charged with being an espionage agent for the army and various sects, various populist sects that were arising. That was ideal for a person of his oratorical skills to come into power like that, which is exactly what he did. And he was a disaster for Germany. He put a gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger.

Starting point is 00:52:38 He took not only himself down the roads of suicide, but he took his people down. No one in their right mind would attack the Soviet Union in June of 1941 across a frontier that was 1,000 miles long where you had to supply your army. And the alibi is always, well, Hitler had evidence that Stalin was going to attack Germany. Well, Stalin would have then had to also supply his army across that thousand miles, whereas Hitler would have been able to respond with the most powerful army on Earth at that time, the Wehrmacht, and they would have been fully supplied. That would have been a sane kind of doctrine, but Hitler, when he was on that occult kick that he was initiated to through the Thule society, T-H-U-L-E, he also imbibed not only Jew hatred, but he also imbibed contempt for the Slavic people. He had contempt for Poles and Russians and other Slavs, Ukrainians, other Slavs like

Starting point is 00:53:36 that. And so therefore he thought they were a slave race. He would conquer them by December, send the troops out in June. This is the kind of megalomania that we're dealing with. And when people say that some of the populists, extreme right-wing in America, say they'd like to see another Hitler or something like that, what they're really saying is they would like to see a tyrant. Hitler killed those people with the night of the long knives, his own supporters, people

Starting point is 00:54:01 who worked side by side with him. Gregor Strasser had organized the North of Germany and Prussia and other territories brilliantly on behalf of Hitler. And then he was killed and betrayed. Hitler didn't even do what Stalin did. Stalin had a show trial before he killed the people. Hitler had no trial.

Starting point is 00:54:17 He said, I am the law. If you like a leader like that, you know, I thought that the American revolutionaries gave their life blood to get free of that yoke of a king who tells his subjects what to do. And every German was a subject of the Fuhrer Adolf Hitler. And the Germans haven't recovered from that yet. So yes, I was taken by that. And also the fact that there are some aspects of Hitler's movement, which I'm afraid are gaining as you suggested, gaining more and more influence and cache and I just don't

Starting point is 00:54:53 understand it at all except that I think there's the hand of the cryptocracy behind it. What we need is another Thomas Jefferson. That's what we need, not another Adolf Hitler. I love what you just said there. It just cleared up so much for me. Like he got rid of these Jewish bankers and replaced them with the Aryan bankers. That completely and utterly settles

Starting point is 00:55:15 that whole argument right there. I think that's a wonderful, wonderful point that you made right there. That is absolutely amazing. Yeah, I'm blown away by that because that really like ties up a lot of loose ends that is the, you know, because when you talk to the Hitler guys, they're always like, he locked up Rothschild.

Starting point is 00:55:35 You're like, yeah. And I also believe that's a sense of theater that he is trying to get the German people behind him. They are completely and utterly demoralized from World War II, which to me is this movement, that is the beginning of the British Empire grabbing- World War I. World War I, yes, excuse me.

Starting point is 00:55:55 World War I grabbing Israel or Palestine. So they got to wrestle it from the Ottoman Empire. And you start with this made up high impact event and assassination of a prince and that kicks it off. They were looking to kick it off anyways, to wrestle it from the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman would not give it to the British Empire. They wanted that land.

Starting point is 00:56:19 I personally think it has to do with trade routes. That whole area has to do with trade routes and controlling trade routes. When you talk about like what happens if we go to do with trade routes. That whole area has to do with trade routes and controlling trade routes. When you talk about like what happens if we go to war with Iran, well they own rivers and seas that once they shut those down, the oil distribution is completely halted.

Starting point is 00:56:35 Well, I wanna own that. I wanna control that. I don't want you controlling that. I want us to control it. That's money and power. If you take a look at like the Benyurian canal that they wanna put in, that's taking power away from Egypt that is again Controlling trade routes and Hitler was very very very very big on to that and there's a lot of discussion and I

Starting point is 00:56:57 Don't know your thoughts on it, sir But there's a lot of discussion that a lot of the people in these camps of this these Holocaust camps, in regards of what you may think of them, a lot of them were the Orthodox Jews who were against Zionism and the control of that. When you see that, like the Nazis, even before Hitler was, you know, the head guy in charge, they were doing deals with the Zionists to get them to move to Israel. They were complicit in that. Like money deals? Well, the deal was that they would give them safe travel to Israel if they agreed to buy German goods. And, you know, so everyone's like, oh, it's business. No, dude. No, dude. It's not business. It's literally fulfilling prophecy. That's what they're doing. And I love that, you know, the whole discussion of the occult is very

Starting point is 00:57:52 interesting to me, you know, and Hitler's history, there's a lot of people have a discussion of Hitler's history. But I love everything you said right there, dude. Thomas Jefferson over Hitler, all day, every day. You know, give me another Thomas Jefferson. I don't know if we could ever get to that right now because we're so divided. But yeah, man, that's a well, thank you for that point. Now, let's get into strange gods. Where do you want to begin? Well, I think that what I should do is I should answer some of the few critics who dared to take me on in this. When I say dare, I don't mean any sense of braggadocio. It's just that when you have people like Ben Shapiro who claim to be masters

Starting point is 00:58:30 of these texts and yet if it was a simple case of destroying me and demolishing my thoughts, why not have me on? Maybe he doesn't even have to mention my books or my website, revisionisthistory.org. He could just say, Mr. Hoffman, I'm going to have you on and all I'm going to do is mention your name. I would still go ahead and debate him. So what does he have to lose? But I think actually he has a great deal to lose because one of the things the critics say is that the Talmud of Babylon and its successor texts is not authoritative holocaust. It's not really law. It's just commentary in a series of debates.

Starting point is 00:59:09 And you hear that quite often if you go just one level deeper into some of the horrible passages that are in the Talmud. And that's the reply. That's the first line of defense. It's actually an insult to our intelligence to put that forward because it means that they consider the person who is there discussing this with as what's known as an Amcha Arets, in other words, an ignorant peasant, because and they consider, they call Judaic people who are

Starting point is 00:59:36 not conversant with the Talmud by that by that invective. But in order to answer the question it's necessary that I refute a familiar defense against charges, that the Babylonian Talmud is the basis of the laws of Orthodox Judaism. Apologists assert that it's more blatantly horrible passages don't constitute the Holika, but only commentary and debate. And the truth is very different. The oral traditions of the Pharisees, what I mentioned to you earlier, the Torah Shibil Prach is in contradistinction from the written Torah, the Torah Shibik Chab, which was given to Moses on Mount Sinai. And then rabbinic Judaism invented this legend that also on Sinai was given this oral law. And it just so happens that that law was never written

Starting point is 01:00:23 down until Israel rejected its Messiah. Once Israel rejected its Messiah, then it became so corrupt that that spurious oral law was committed to writing as the Mishnah, which forms the central axis of the Halakha of Orthodox Judaism, and then the Gemara, which follows from it, forms the Talmud. And so in these oral traditions which Jesus condemned in Mark 7 and Matthew 15, we have the extra biblical superstitions, the occultism, the self-worship, racist hatred for non-Jews, and sheer nonsense. For example, in the Talmud tractate Ketubot 60b, 61a, 60b, if a woman copulates in a grain mill, she will have epileptic children.

Starting point is 01:01:13 If she copulates on the ground, she will have long nets. Apologists assert that the Talmud is only a record of debates, which is known as Machat, between Taneum and Amorim, the authors of the Talmud is only a record of debates, which is known as Machat, between Tanayim and Amorim, the authors of the Talmud Bavli or Babylonian Talmud are collectively known as Hazal. And that by focusing on one portion of the controversy and upholding that passage as authoritative, the critic errs because there's no legal sanction given to the other side of the debates in the Talmud. It's demonstrably false. The Mishnah and subsequent rabbinic

Starting point is 01:01:47 amplifications of it comprise the Halakah, by which every believing Orthodox person is bound down to the most minute and intimate particulars of his or her daily life. And so how Talmudic law is deduced and adjudicated is often an enigma to outsiders. And that's what they prey on with these Amcha Arets. They don't tell you that there's a Talmudic indeterminacy which does not preclude lawmaking

Starting point is 01:02:15 by majority rabbinic consensus. You know, the Talmud is a bureaucratic book, whereas the Kabbalah, the other major sacred book in Orthodox Judaism is a mystical book. And so when we look at the United States government and the parts of it that conservatives don't like, for example, one of the things they've decried is when the Supreme Court makes law. The Supreme Court isn't supposed to make law. That's the job of what?

Starting point is 01:02:41 The legislature. So lawmaking by judicial process is effectively Talmudic. This is exactly how the Talmud makes law. And so what you have is then as a public relations ploy, many Talmudists pretend otherwise revealing the low opinion they have of the public who they believe will swallow the line that Thalmus is just a book of debates. Yes. So and it's not there there what it is is is that it's a complex document depending on the translation in English it's between 35 and 42 volumes and you have hermeneutical principles hermeneutical principles on how to interpret that, okay?

Starting point is 01:03:25 And it's all tied into situation ethics. Talmudism is a religion of situation ethics. On one hand, you have, if I bring up the Zugat pairs, I might lose the audience, so I won't make reference to that. What I'll say is, there are two influential schools dating from the time of Jesus, the school of Shammai and the school of Hillel. Hillel represents leniency, although that's relative, and Shammai represents stringencies.

Starting point is 01:03:53 And these are interpretive tools used to decide how a particular portion of the Talmud, designated as Halakha, is to be applied at a given time. And if people think it's like the US constitution that's supposed to be applied all the time in all of its aspects, then they're lost because that's not the Talmudic mentality. And so there's these interpretive tools,

Starting point is 01:04:18 the 13 hermeneutical principles and many others along those lines, which really obfuscate what is the point of how to get to the heart of this. And so what I would say is there are thousands of cases where these rules are brought up, rules of derivation and procedure. And this is where people are lost. There's a clear indication of how the law is decided. and it is the law. That's the thing.

Starting point is 01:04:48 There's no question about it. And so once we understand that, then we can get to this situation ethics which is going on. And this is one of the most sensitive areas. And if you think it's too sensitive for your listeners, Sam, and maybe I'm being naive, okay, it's not too much sensitive, but it's a very hot topic. It's the issue of child molestation in the Talmud. And I say this very carefully because any notion that even Talmudic people are involved in these things, it's not necessarily true. And I wouldn't want anybody to believe that but what I have to say is is that these things are part of the Praxis Talmudic praxis in terms of what is derived from these texts and it's also a clear illustration of

Starting point is 01:05:36 the the Situation ethics so for example kettobot 11b intercourse with a boy under nine years old is not considered a Significant sexual act is it okay to go here or not? Go for it. Just before you go there I just want to say this is that you know people can say whatever they want about like This take on the telemode, but what I will tell you guys, and our crowd is, our listeners are very advanced. They're down for all of it, sir,

Starting point is 01:06:08 so you don't have to pull any punches. But, you know, if you study what is said in the tall mode, there are literal laws in Israel that mirror that. Meaning they pass almost, whether it's on the book legislation or understood legislation such, like we've seen this story done on CBS or ABC, whichever one it was, about how if someone is,

Starting point is 01:06:33 if an Israeli or a Jew is in America is accused of some sort of sexual assault, they can get on a plane and fly to Israel. And in my own life, I was in the crypto I had a lot of crypto and I was able to invest guys. I didn't spend the money. I was able to invest either through Sponsors paying me in Bitcoin or whatever it was I was able to get in on early on a lot of these cryptos to the point that

Starting point is 01:07:05 it had gotten up, I would say to what it'd be worth at this time, a million dollars. Celsius stole all my crypto. When I went to go look at that, I had coins there, they were phantom coins. They weren't real coins. They just said, hey, you have seven bitcoins in in in our exchange but it was gone he had taken all that you couldn't swap nothing they're like they're gone they're gone do you know where they caught him when he when they arrest him he was at the airport do you know where he was going he was going to israel he was getting on a flight to israel because he couldn't get extradited

Starting point is 01:07:43 back to america if he got there. So I just want you guys to know that this is literally factual what we're discussing here. So go on sir. Okay, and I do want to point out that there's also a haven for molesters in Rome. It's called Vatican City. Many of the proletarian molesters here in the United States, such as Bernard Cardinal Law from Boston. And there was a movie made, and that movie was largely accurate, believe it or not, one of the few that Hollywood turns out that was accurate, about the plague of child molestations

Starting point is 01:08:17 on those helpless Catholic children. And he was welcomed by Pope Saint John Paul II, given charge of a Basilica, and all the honors and many other types of sanctuary was provided to him and other molesters like him. So the Israelis are not unique there entirely. But I think that what I want to point out is that when it comes to Hillel, and when it comes to Hillel and when it comes to, because Hillel, you know, is considered like the alternate Jesus among both secular liberal professors at Harvard and Yale, as well as the mass media that he was sort of like another Jesus, he didn't believe that he was the son of God, but he was a good man

Starting point is 01:09:01 who preached love and everything. Actually, Hillel is deeply implicated in what I'm going to lay out here for you, but he sought a problem in cognitive psychology, which was how to persuade a Judaic audience to convince them that to believe Hillel and the other rabbis on the basis of scripture alone. And their enactments can't be found in scriptures. And Hillel was unable to convince them of that fact.

Starting point is 01:09:36 So what he did was is he created this gigantic pile of legal and self-perpetuating textual arcana, which is what we're coming into here, which is employing situation ethics. So in Kettubot 11b, and I realize this is kryptonite to a lot of people, but I think it's the best illustration of situation ethics working inside of this particular dogma. Intercourse with a boy under nine years old is not considered a significant sexual act. Now deniers of this claim that this horrible permission for child molestation in the atonement is not a permission and they employ various deceptive circumlocutions to evade that fact. Concerning permission with regard to Sanhedrin 54b, where we find a barita, which is a learned

Starting point is 01:10:28 exposition of the text by Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz, who's the major translator of the Talmud into English. He says, this supports Rav, for it teaches that if a man engaged in homosexual intercourse with a child under the age of nine, he is exempt from liability. Now I'm not taking that out of context, which is the next thing. First, my critics will say the Talmud is just a series of debates. It doesn't have legal authority. And then the second one is, is they'll say you're taking it out of context. I'm not taking it out of context. The entire Talmud is online. It's safaria.org. Look it up yourself and you'll find that this is in context. So deniers claim that the exemption applies only to the adult's liability for a specific capital punishment. So in other words, in Leviticus, what, Leviticus 20,

Starting point is 01:11:28 death by stoning is the fate of those who engage in a homosexual intercourse. So the term used, however, for exempt, the Hebrew word is patur, P-A-T-U-R. That denotes a general exemption from liability, not limited to capital punishment alone. The text says, pator or exempt without qualification. So the broader phrasing leaves open the possibility that no court imposed liability implies applies. So therefore, the broad exemption, not having any clear punitive consequences, can be interpreted as reducing accountability. It effectively permits the act. Also with regard to

Starting point is 01:12:16 Sanhedrin 54B, I'll state it plainly, it exempts the adult from liability for homosexual intercourse with a boy under nine, potentially including all court enforced penalties. The leniency is obviously ethically problematic as it fails to impose adequate consequences for a grave act. The exemption creates a practical leniency that reduces court enforced consequences. This allows the homosexual rape of the boy to go unpunished in a human court. Therefore this is implicit permission for homosexual predation. I will debate it with anybody. Sanhedrin 54B states, I reiterate, that a boy under nine cannot be the legal object of sodomy because his intercourse is not holacically active exempting the adult from liability. So the Talmud is a book

Starting point is 01:13:11 of loopholes, escape clauses. This exemption creates a practical loophole that reduces court-enforced consequences and this does indeed constitute what I'm saying an implicit permission for the homosexual predation of boys. Calling such discussions theoretical or a debate without evidence reflects partisan bias. This ruling stems from Hillel himself." And so that's one point that I think is, it's ineradicable and I don't see how it's debatable even though there's

Starting point is 01:13:45 something called pill poll PILPUL where things that can't be debated are undebatable have been proven and the telmudis will nonetheless take in hand it's a it's a weary, tendentious way of approaching these things but it really doesn't it it doesn't hold water in front of a an objective audience that hasn't been schooled in this type of intellectual dishonesty. And so, yeah, that, I mean, that's just, it's one of the things it's the most inflammatory, uh, you know, and, and, and the thing is, is that it's difficult. Sam, you've given me this form and I appreciate it, but it's difficult to

Starting point is 01:14:21 present these things to the general public because it's like kryptonite to them due to the Jew haters. So the Jew haters have made this like toxic to go into this level because they say, oh, well, inevitably, if you're saying that the holiest book of the Judaic religion teaches this, it must be, you know, the absolutely the lowest religion on earth and the people who follow it must be the, no, not what's so, not at all. I don't know how it is that it's only a minority, an extremist minority that takes these passages and applies them to the widespread predation upon children in Orthodox Judaism. I don't think there's any question about that.

Starting point is 01:15:06 It's fairly widespread. But nonetheless, if we have this Jew hate and we can't get past it because any type of scrutiny like this based on facts, that's what I presented to you. And I believe that they can't be overturned. And therefore, if these facts have this invulnerability, why can't they be presented and taught?

Starting point is 01:15:28 And if they were more openly, without all of this intellectual dishonesty, we might have Judaic people coming forward and saying, look, Michael Hoffman is correct literally in terms of the verbatim text, but let's take a wider, broader examination of how this is applied in culture. I would welcome that, but because this is damned,

Starting point is 01:15:51 it's become a damned area of pursuit and it's become so red hot that anyone who approaches it is risking de-banking, de-platforming, a shadow banning on Twitter and things like that. There are very few who wander into it. I mean, I basically have this field unto myself, although I find that people will raid my books, take something out of context, they don't credit me for it, and then they push it through in some other area and you lose control over this information because it has to be within the context of a humanitarian love

Starting point is 01:16:27 for Christian, for Judaic people. You mentioned, Sam, saying that one of the unique things about Jesus which warmed your heart was him kicking over the tables of those money changers. And another aspect which is unprecedented in other religious traditions is when he said, love your enemies, do good to those who persecute you, bless and pray for them. And this is my way of doing that. It's done out of charity. It's done out of compassion. Both of my books, the textbook, Judaism Discovered, and the book I sent to you, Judaism's Strange Gods, has been introduction for Judaic people, talking to them about the charity that I'm offering them, the compassion that I'm offering them. If they feel that I'm wrong,

Starting point is 01:17:10 let's come together and let's reason together on this issue, rather than making it, putting it in front of a wall of which anyone crosses, then they're just, you know, their financial and reputational life is over with. Can I ask you, is it forbidden? Is that kind of abuse forbidden elsewhere in the Talmud or the Torah? A. Yes, there are… well, there are general… so, there are general… that's a very good question. There are general demands that homosexuality is outlawed. So, you'll find one part of the Talmud where it will say that, that homosexuality is wrong. And. So you'll find one part of the Talmud where it will say that that homosexuality is wrong. And then you come to this section that says that what I just told you. However, if you apply those numerous that gigantic heap of self perpetuating

Starting point is 01:17:56 arcana, the the rules of classification, the sevenfold classification for human hermeneutical analysis of the text, then there's a 33-fold one. There's a 13-fold one. This is the job of the Talmud Hakim, the scholars of the Talmud, in order to bring this out and say, well, this is what, you know, is at work here and this isn't. So if you look at the Talmud like the US Constitution say it has to make sense, it can't contradict itself, you're lost. And the interpreters of it will themselves say that no, no, this goes to show that you're uneducated, you're ignorant, you don't realize how we emphasize these things. But for me, when you have a text like the ones that I brought out to you, Sanhedrin 54B, for example, what is to argue? It's an obvious Jeffrey Epstein kind of manifesto for what you want to do to a little boy.

Starting point is 01:18:55 And the age, the permissible age for girls is three years old. So I mean, you can see the potential for abuse here. Now I was raised in New York. I grew up with secular Judaic kids. One of my closest mentors was a man named Levine. He was a man that introduced me to classical music, even though my own father was very much into opera and classical music, but he was too busy

Starting point is 01:19:19 with his profession. But Mr. Levine did do that for me. He was a cultured gentleman. He went to a reformed Judaic synagogue. Reform Judaism arose as a reaction against the contents of the Talmud in the 19th century in what's called the Hapskala, which was led by Moses Mendelssohn. And they really wanted to look good in Western eyes. And so, and it was sincere. I believe it was sincere. And so they delegitimated the Talmud.

Starting point is 01:19:50 And at that time, I doubt Mr. Levine had ever seen a page of the Talmud. I'm sure he was aware of it because he was an intellectual, but, and he lived a good life. I mean, he was living it without Christ. And my Christian brothers and sisters will say that it's not possible, but it it is possible if you understand when people, there's a theological principle of invincible ignorance.

Starting point is 01:20:11 Some people have been so turned off to the Bible and scripture and the church by the bad example of Christians. That is the number one reason why people are opposed to Christianity. The horrible example of the TV money-grubbing evangelists and you know the whole schtick all the way down to the warmongers that Trump is now employing to push forward the bloodshed in Palestine and Yemen and so forth. So we have to understand that, that within this strange anomaly here, this enigma of how this can be there, and yet we dare not accuse Orthodox Judaic people of necessarily being practitioners of this. Nonetheless,

Starting point is 01:20:54 I'm not going to back down from the fact that this should have been repudiated a long time ago. You know, Christians are often called upon to repudiate the Gospel of John, that it's anti-Semitic, which is ridiculous because it was written by a Semite, but be that as it may. We're constantly told you have to repudiate this and distance yourself from that. Well, how about distancing yourself from these passages that I've given you? That would be very welcome. I would celebrate that, and I think it would be an active liberation for Judaic people. And this is where I'm coming from,

Starting point is 01:21:26 but my enemies want to paint me in an opposite light. I gave a speech for Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam. Minister Farrakhan was kind enough to invite me to be the first white person to speak at the National Convention in Chicago, what they call Savior's Day, February of 2019, and I gave a speech there for about seven or eight minutes about the Talmud, and I was well received, warmly received, better received than I am among my own people, and I thank the honorable Minister Farrakhan for

Starting point is 01:21:58 his hospitality, and also I corroborate with the Historical Research Department of the Nation, which is a top notch research group. But anyway, I mentioned this because when I got up in front of the 4,000, also it was televised to Africa and the Caribbean, I said, you know, Assalamu alaikum, you know, to the Muslim people, I said, braqa, khatslaqa to the Judaic people, wishing them blessings. And of course, I said, I stand before you as a follower of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. As I proceeded through my talk,

Starting point is 01:22:32 I said that the word Jew is a holy word. None of that was repeated when the ADL, the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, wrote a report about what I had to say the next day, denouncing me of course. They took whatever could be twisted into an inflammatory interpretation. That's what they publicized.

Starting point is 01:22:51 And where I said the word Jew is a holy word and where I wish the Judaic people of the world Bracca Hatzlaca, that was all omitted. So this is the type of tyranny we're dealing with. But as Sam said, they're backed by the money power. Yeah, I mean, if you just study the whole thing in Israel, it's 100%. Pick one side, arm them, finance them, and allow them to do all your dirty work, which is to clean up and just try to get the Greater Israel Project going.

Starting point is 01:23:26 I mean, and they use the Mass Hannibal Directive, the DIA Doctrine, all that stuff. These are all well-known ideologies, plans to dominate the region. And they, you know, again, I personally believe the Bank of England is higher up. You could go into, whether it's the Vatican, they seem you know, again, I personally believe the Bank of England is higher up. You could go into whether it's the Vatican, they seem to be in play. There seems to be three areas that seem to be in play in all this and that is, you know, the city of London, Rome, or the Vatican and Washington DC, all are this mechanism of this Frankenstein of control and what they're doing to that

Starting point is 01:24:07 area and they're slaughtering people and they just don't care. And, you know, a big part of this, you know, this witchcraft that they're pulling is to get us not to believe our eyes, our ears, or the wisdom of our experiences. And, you know, I am seeing children my my children's age being slaughtered and I am being told that they are terrorists I am being told that they are are complicit in October 7th and it doesn't matter how many times you can find quotes and videos of Nanyahu talking about setting up Hamas to to counter the PLO It doesn't matter to them and and it's this whole thing where it's like though. What was it Mark Twain's? Quote it's easier to fool somebody than to convince them. They've been fooled. I mean, this is where we're at

Starting point is 01:25:03 I get constantly told old data, debunked data. I mean, there are people that are using debunked data to defend Israel when the Israeli government and media are the ones who debunked it. The people who were involved in October 7th have come out and basically said said in what I believe is a revelation of the method of what they did that day. You remember the tunnels that were under hospitals? Guess who created those? Israel! It's all come out! They've openly admitted it! It's absolutely ridiculous! Ben Swan to me is the case closed of October 7th. I mean over and over again told be quiet shut up You had IDF soldiers go and they're doing something being told those soldiers being told if you bring this up again

Starting point is 01:25:51 You'll be court-martialed and thrown in jail Where do where do we see that October 7th with these quote-unquote hijackers? The hijackers 9-eleven to the same thing the game you had people in the government warning of this strike and people in other That's why I meant to say 9-eleven. Yeah, 9-eleven Oh, okay, that's what you meant. Yeah, right where it's like it's like hey, man We got these guys are not learning how to land planes. Shut up. There you go You know like who's uh, like the Jew tunnels in New York remember that just disappeared Yeah, no one really found out what really happened was like oh just just disappeared and it's again

Starting point is 01:26:22 It's like I have this discussion I'm gonna have to have with somebody who's an acquaintance of mine and it's just like i am not picking on anybody i am just saying there are no protected classes everybody should be open to scrutiny criticism and jokes i'm sorry like what percentage percentage of the USS Liberty attack do we have to achieve that we believe Israel is involved for us to be able to criticize Israel? What percentage of JFK or RFK assassination do we have to achieve before we can criticize a foreign government and a foreign intelligence agency? What percentage 9-eleven do we have to achieve before we can before we go? Hey, man We slaughtered 4 million Iraqis and they had nothing to do with it

Starting point is 01:27:14 Because the whole notion is as you get gas lit is that this is gonna lead to goose-stepping This is gonna lead to ovens. Okay. Well it did and it was four million Iraqis That had nothing to do with it Dead that is on Netanyahu's hand. I was saying it was George Bush. It's Netanyahu's blood Netanyahu's blood Iraqis blood is on Netanyahu's hands And you also mentioned the British Secret Service founding the Saudi Arabian monarchy. And one of the things that really infuriates me is how the Arab governments of the area

Starting point is 01:27:55 are so apathetic toward the slaughter of the Palestinians there, led by the Saudis and also nations like Bahrain, where there is a large naval base. Bahrain is a tiny minority of Sunni Muslims who rule over Shiites and periodically execute their clerics and other types of leaders. And Saudi Arabia has been more or less the battering ram for the Israelis against the Yemenis and against the Houthis. By the way, after the diaspora with the fall of the temple in AD 33, as well as the failure of Bar Kokhba's revolt in 135 AD, many Jews fled to Yemen in the Yemen area. And I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a lot of Israeli genetics and DNA in those Yemeni people, because their ability to fight and their intelligence

Starting point is 01:28:45 in the way they do it is truly remarkable compared to some of the other failures of the Arabs in the Middle East. But I think that if you look at Wahhabism, the heresy that arose in Islam in the late 18th century, which is inimical to Western civilization, which despises Christianity, whereas you have churches in Shiite areas that are unmolested and where people can freely worship. This isn't the case under Wahhabi Islam when they have a strong dominion and hold over the people. And it's been very problematic, the Bush family's interactions with the Saudis, Bush, George W. Bush,

Starting point is 01:29:24 putting them on a jet and sending them out of the United States when all air traffic was shut down after 9-11. There's a lot that should be understood here in making distinctions inside Islam. If we had someone from Asia or the Middle East generalizing about Christianity and imagining that Lutherans are the same as Mormons or

Starting point is 01:29:45 Jehovah's Witnesses are the same as Catholics, we would laugh at that. But many right-wingers in the United States make these ignorant generalizations about Muslims, as if Sunni Muslims, Shiite Muslims, Alawite Muslims, Wahhabist Muslims, Salafist Muslims, and right down the line are all one homogenized whole, and it's simply not true. And I'm very disappointed in the fact that the Arab people, I realize they're ruled largely by dictatorships in Egypt, horrible dictator there, some of the worst prisons in the world are in Egypt. And then the Saudis cooperating with the destruction of the

Starting point is 01:30:26 Houthis. The Houthis are simply saying, whether it's right or wrong, that there's a genocide underway in the Israeli state, and we're trying to stop it by force of arms, which was the principle that was recognized during World War II. I mean, what were the partisans? The partisans took up activities that one could call borderline terrorists to fight the Nazis and to support the forces, the allied forces. And the Yemenis may see themselves in that same way. In the same way the Israelis have justified

Starting point is 01:30:56 their mass bombardment of civilian areas in Gaza on the basis of what the Americans did during World War II to every major German city and not only to Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Japan, but also in Tokyo in March of 1945, where 100,000 people in Tokyo were basically barbecued. And this is all on the United States and it creates a precedent. Yeah, it's crazy to me. You mentioned Yemen and Jews, you know, Michael Cheroff who was like a head of I forget what his actual title was during 9-11, but it was a he he was basically in charge and He's the one who sent all the dancing Israelis back to Israel got him all out of jail put him on a plane flew him back

Starting point is 01:31:40 Well, you bring up is a Jews in Yemen. Well, there was a, in the, I think, the 1940s, there was an operation called Magic Carpet, and his mother was instrumental. She played a, she basically went undercover as a flight attendant, and they smuggled Jews out of Yemen into Israel. She was a part of that. His father was a Talmud scholar. What do you think of Alan Greenspan? Well, anybody that's in charge of the Federal Reserve is shady to me and complicit in the enslavement of humanity. and complicit in the enslavement of humanity. He swore his first oath of office on a copy of the Talmud.

Starting point is 01:32:30 As did Deborah Lichtstadt when she was sworn in by Biden as the head of the anti-Semitism Bureau of the State Department. She swore on a copy of the Talmud. I thought your listeners might be interested in that. I did not know that. Did you know that? No, I didn not know that. Did you know that? No, I didn't know that is absolutely insane to me That is absolutely insane to me. And it's like we said, you know again

Starting point is 01:32:54 They make USA ID USAID the bad guy But in reality, where do you think USAID is getting all their money from? The Federal Reserve. And I've been saying this forever. The Federal Reserve funds everything you hate in the world. The Federal Reserve is the one that is propping up this false reality onto God's reality. So whenever you're watching something and you go go that doesn't make any sense to me That's what we're talking about. That is you using their controlling. What's the Mandela effect? Like I mean, we're kind of even like who even knows what that is That could be multiple dimensions that could be just if you create the internet

Starting point is 01:33:39 You could probably figure out how to manipulate the internet But in reality like when you're like seeing drag queens reading to kindergarteners and you go, that doesn't make any sense to me. That's what we're talking about because we get into all that stuff's funded by USAID, USAID. Oh, okay, okay, I get what you mean. Like the Sesame Street in Iraq.

Starting point is 01:33:59 The Sesame Street in Iraq, that makes no fucking sense. Yeah, I mean, none of it makes any sense. None of it makes any sense. BLM,. Yeah, I mean, none of it makes any sense. None of it makes any sense. BLM, you know, I mean. The bricks, the bricks doing BLM, like that makes no fucking sense. None of it makes any sense. All of it. Everything you see on television, when you see waif models being action heroes, and you

Starting point is 01:34:17 go, that doesn't make any sense to me. Or women going to space? Yeah, yeah. I mean, dude, Amazon is the wing of the government, dude. Amazon is the wing of the government. I mean, I don't care what people say. When COVID shuts everything down, right? When COVID shuts everything down and the only stores are open are Amazon Fresh.

Starting point is 01:34:38 I mean, that is, to me, fascism. And it's the best example of that. That is fascism right there. So everything is funded by this Babylonian money magic, fractional reserve banking. And it's like, and people don't realize, you're like, if we're trillions of dollars in debt, where's that money go?

Starting point is 01:34:59 Oh, it goes to sustaining the B system, the satanic system, okay? You know, it's like kind of like when you get into, you know, Kamala Harris and like, where did all of her money go? She spent what, $20 million? What is that number? That doesn't seem like a lot, $20 million. That's a scoring forward coming off the bench. That doesn't seem like a lot to me. But when you go, oh, she blew through $20 million. Where'd that all go? She paid all those people in the arena, at every arena,

Starting point is 01:35:31 to come and see her, to act like she's filling arenas. And she wasn't. It's a false reality being presented onto God's reality. What's that village we talked about we mentioned? The Patunkin Village? Yeah, 100%. 100%. An illusion.

Starting point is 01:35:53 Sir, is there anything we didn't get into that you wanted to cover? Well, I'm at revisionisthistory.org, and what I will close with, because it has an economic angle to it is, is that as we know, God had a plan in the Old Testament, which is still in effect in the New, to keep people out of debt peonage. And this is what we've been partly talking about today. And so the traditional holocaust

Starting point is 01:36:17 reasoning views the prospo. That's a rabbinic enactment that modifies the application of biblical law. And let's look at that biblical law for a minute, Deuteronomy 15, 1 through 2. At the end of every seven years you shall grant a release, and this is the manner of the release, every creditor shall release what he has lent to his neighbor. He shall not exact it of his neighbor or his brother because the Lord's release has been proclaimed." So this commandment mandates that all loans cancelled in the seventh sabbatical year, preventing perpetual debt and promoting economic justice because God did not want his people

Starting point is 01:36:56 and since Jesus came, we are all now his people, to be in debt peonage for all their lives. So what does Hillel do? He comes along and issues a nullification of God's law. Oh my God. And he says that you can collect on these loans after seven years. He's transferring the loan using a legal technicality, like many of us have been oppressed by lawyers who have used that against us, a legal technicality, a loophole,

Starting point is 01:37:31 to say that I'm putting this law of God under the Baath Din, under the rabbinic court, and the court can then proceed to permit loans to go beyond seven years. And if we were really a Christian society and not just a Bible-banging society out of the Ptolema belt down south, advocating for the mass murder of civilians overseas, then we would have loans that ended at seven years. And yes, it would be workable because God commanded it and therefore His grace would make it workable. So this is a textbook example of situation ethics as Hillel enacted it, allowing creditors to collect debts that

Starting point is 01:38:11 God commanded should be canceled. And I thought that your listeners might be interested in that. I love it. I love it. That's a great question. So I see you have two books. Anya, can you go back to his his books I'm going to buy these books but yeah so I see one book is $500 there's a there's much lower price but there's no there's no book that's 500 there's a that's a case of 32 books well because it says the occult resistance church by by Hoffman it's a case of 32 books? Oh, because it says the Occult Resistance Church by Hoffman. It's only a few copies remain. And I'm not judging the price.

Starting point is 01:38:53 That's a first condition. Okay. No, what it is is we printed 3,000 copies of that book with a color insert, which I'm very proud of. I'm gloss paper. First one of my 10 books that had that. I'm going proud of on gloss paper first one of my ten books that had that I'm gonna buy it and But no, it's available for much less than that

Starting point is 01:39:09 I think 49 95 or something like that But it's in black these color pictures that you're seeing here by the way, if you if you stop right there This is the Sistine Chapel, this is the holiest Catholic Church in the world in the Sistine Chapel and the guy you see there naked with the with his genital organs in the mouth of the snake is the mayor of Rome who objected to the nudity of Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel and so Michelangelo painted him into the Sistine Chapel in that particular figure and I thought Catholics might like to know about that.

Starting point is 01:39:46 That's so funny. But anyway, no, it's that book, there's only like 16 copies left of the color version. And so to raise funding, you know, it's not easy being an independent scholar. No, dude, listen, I'm not judging, man. I'm going to buy both of them. If you back up, if you just back up, up at the top, and you don't have to, but anyway, up at the top, you'll see that we offer it in black and white instead of in color. Let's see, you seem to be... Oh yeah, okay.

Starting point is 01:40:12 Go back one page. Go back one page. Go back one page to all of his books. There we go. Yeah, they're all there. I see them. I just wanted to know because I'm going to buy them. I like dangerous books. I like buying danger

Starting point is 01:40:26 That's it. There it is. That's it right there. That should be it if you go down. Yeah We know already 95 or something like that And I'm sure we have a lady in our shipping room that handles we are not judging here We I'm gonna buy your books. I love buying books. I have all these books you got questions Yeah, I just before we whenever we have someone another ink stained wretched or at least a former ink stained wretched like myself I like to ask about the future of journalism, especially print. I understand you spent a long time with AP, right? Yeah, what do you do you think there is any future in it? I mean they're they're dealing with limited resources It's all dedicated to online now.

Starting point is 01:41:06 And more than ever, it's like, it's crime report, entertainment stuff, because those are what drives clicks on the website. You know, circulation is, I mean, not even a, it's the last thing they talk about now in the business meetings. It's all just about online. I'm curious, what do you think, if you were someone now, especially like a young, we have a lot of young people that listen to the show, coming out of college and you had an interest in journalism, how would you pursue it? Would you set up your

Starting point is 01:41:31 own shop? Because I always thought there was a value, especially in journalism, to the apprenticeship model, you know, where you learn at the feet of someone, you know, a veteran reporter and then an editor, you know, that you looked up to. But really, the opportunities for that are so few now, especially if you want to pursue investigative journalism. I'm curious if you have an opinion on that. I think that journalism is alive and well online on X, on Sam's show, and on other programs. But you started out talking about printing, right? The printed newspaper. And I think that's a large topic, but I think that it always is superior, like receiving

Starting point is 01:42:11 a letter by first class mail and having that tactile substance right in your hand where you can't really ignore it. Yes, you can throw it in the junk mail pile, but if it's first class, it may not be junk pile. If it's handwritten, it may not. And you're looking at it and you're sort of confronted by it, whereas email, it's easy to ignore. And when I was reading the New York Times as a New Yorker in its paper form, I could get the entire paper, every corner of it, look it over with ease. I think that that's something having to do with what John Stilgoe talked about in terms of reflected light and directed light. When we're reading, the light is not directly in our eyes. It's

Starting point is 01:42:50 coming usually from behind our head or above our heads. And that's much easier for our mentation and cognition rather than staring into a screen where the light is flowing towards us. Most of the movie theaters, as you know, in the old days, the light was reflected over our shoulders. So there was sort of an organic aspect of that. So I unfortunately only read the New York times now in digital format because they've, they've concluded their distribution of the times in North Idaho, but I much prefer the printed edition.

Starting point is 01:43:20 I think that we get more out of it. Having said that I work work with text both printed. I have an extensive library, more than 3,000 volumes of printed books, but I'm also using Kindle because I have to scramble to get this information. I hate to say that I'm rushed with all these labor-saving devices. I used to live among the Amish. They didn't have any labor-saving devices and they had all the time in the world. We've got all of them. We have no time. It's God's revenge on modern technology, I guess, but no, absolutely read books.

Starting point is 01:43:52 And if you want to be a great writer, read the great writers, Charles Dickens and and people, Mark Twain, people of that caliber. There's no substitute for that. And to have the book in your hand, I think is a much more fruitful, holistic experience to have it on screen. But either way, let us expand our minds short of this entire videodrome psychedelic world that they're pushing on us. Let's learn to read, first of all. I mean, I really wonder to what degree is the young population semi-literate, which is another issue. Yeah, it's a big issue. They've spread parents so thin right now.

Starting point is 01:44:30 It is so hard. And then, yeah, there's just so much going in on that. Well, and think about the generation that's gonna come up with AI, where they can, I mean, every answer is at your fingertips and you'll have it read aloud to you. I mean, I'm ashamed to admit, my interaction with AI now is mostly over-voiced. I talk to it, it talks to me. I mean I got I'm ashamed to admit my interaction with AI now It's mostly over voice it I talked to it talks to me. You know why I'm doing other things

Starting point is 01:44:47 I saw my nephew's penmanship today, which is not cursive horrible. No cursive stone Ninjas I don't care Mr. Hoffman, it was an honor to have you on the show. You have an open door anytime you want I'm gonna talk to a couple people in the space to see if they can have you on the show. You have an open door anytime you want. I'm going to talk to a couple of people in the space to see if they can bring you on their show. If you don't mind, I would love to do that for you. And, uh, thank you very much. And I also want to say, I'm hopeful listening to the three of you

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Starting point is 01:46:46 to tell you about Beautiful Anonymous, a podcast where I talk to random people on the phone. I tweet out a phone number, thousands of people try to call. I talk to one of them, they stay anonymous. I can't hang up, that's all the rules. I never know what's gonna happen. We get serious ones.

Starting point is 01:47:00 I've talked with meth dealers on their way to prison. I've talked to people who survived mass shootings. Crazy funny ones. I talked to a guy with a goose laugh, somebody who dresses up as a pirate on the weekends. I never know what's going to happen. It's a great show. Subscribe today, Beautiful Anonymous. Damn. Brought it. Spicy. Spicy. Dangerous, dangerous. Dangerous. Michael Hoffman pulls no punches. I just love when we have somebody on who's obviously read some books. Yeah. Like there's some danger in reading books.

Starting point is 01:47:30 In between the show, I was thinking about how I'd love to have him and Leonardo have a debate on Hitler and I know Leonardo would be good about it. She's great. That would be interesting. That would be... She would do it. I'm not sure how good about it. She's great. That would be interesting that would be she she would do it I'm not she's already sent you how much fun he would have with that Scholarly citations, you know like primary sources that she can cite because he's gonna be like, you know in 1938 it was written that and she's gonna be like yeah, but I saw on tick-tock that you know Well, that's that's the whole point of the debate. I mean, do you think that goes for more than okay? I mean, yeah, I mean it on TikTok that, you know. Well, that's the whole point of the debate.

Starting point is 01:48:05 I mean, do you think that goes for more than, okay, I mean, yeah. I mean, it could be a 20 minute debate. We'll go for anywhere if it's 20 minutes. Let's watch that. I mean, neither of them were there, so are they really experts? You know, it's a very interesting conversation because you listen to like how much more nuanced the discussion is and how there's just so many, because just

Starting point is 01:48:27 the discussion itself will be labeled anti-Semitism. Yeah, of course. It's just plagued him. He says he's shadow banned to oblivion because of it. Real banned, really. And you know, he's gotten debanked. I mean, that right there is a sign of like, dangerous, dangerous. When you start getting into that, even though I think today that discussion is way more

Starting point is 01:48:50 acceptable than it was before, which is the argument that people throw at me when I go, you can't criticize this certain group of people, they go, you can, it's everywhere. I go, but they're literally creating laws to stop you from saying you want to boycott Israel. I mean, and to me, the discussion is there are Jews, then there are Tomo Zionists, then there is Israel. And you know, you can have a discussion whether Tomo Zionists and Israel are the same thing. There is a discussion for that. But you know, it's even Rogan said the other day with Jordan Peterson, you know, there's you know, he brought up, he didn't say usury, but he brought up money manipulation and interest and then there's Jews,

Starting point is 01:49:40 our friends, you know, Dana, Dana's mom, Dana's family, our friends, all these people that we interact with, Mitzi Shor, all these people, you know, but they can't have us differentiate that because then the illusion goes away and the firewall to the highest levels of power dissipates and goes away and now it's all open to criticism and discussion and comedy, which is the most dangerous form

Starting point is 01:50:11 of all them. Because a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down. It's also, you know, John Lennon had this, this idea that, you know, he was, he was a pacifist because he thought, and it's not an original thought to him if MLK felt the same way to the extent that he was an actual person and not you know manipulated but That that once you engaged in violence you were on their terms, you know on their territory They're the experts and that is it never win when you're being violent and comedy and in ragging on each other

Starting point is 01:50:44 That's why well, that's why they can't abide comedy. You know, speaking about in comedy because they that's not there. That's the complete they have no power in that realm that connects right to a person's spine right to their soul, you know, the laugh and the realization of truth, you know, that comes from that. And they that's why they try to restrict that. It's about like in China where you can't joke, think about the things they don't let you joke about in China.

Starting point is 01:51:09 It's all those things that go right to the soul. Yeah, and that's real, dude, because I've done stand-up in China, and they say, don't talk about the Demi-Side, which nobody knows about, which is when the Japanese killed 10 million. Nobody talks about that when it comes to World War II. The Japanese killed 10 million. Nobody talks about that when it comes to World War II. The Japanese

Starting point is 01:51:25 killed 10 million Chinese. 10 million. And nobody talks about it. And you cannot bring that up in China in comedy because they send people to sit in the comedy shows as customers. They got speaker shoppers for comedy? Yeah. Bro, you know one of the first times ever on the road I did, I did a Funny Bones and I got called by my manager. He's like, here's what's going on. The staff loves you, the DJ loved you.

Starting point is 01:52:01 A lot of the crowds loved you, but the manager, the secret shopper they said didn't like you. And I don't think that was real. I think that was this guy named Doc who's probably fucking drink himself into a fucking grave by now. But they liked the feature who was busted by Steve Trevino, which is hilarious because Steve Trevino jacks jokes all the time. And Steve Trevino busts him doing Brett Ernst lemonade joke about black people, how they order pink lemonade and how funny that joke is. They go up an octave, right? Like, oh, you got pink lemonade. You know, it's like bang. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:52:42 Wait, wait, wait, wait, I was gonna you Well, did they tell you what would happen if you talked about those topics in China or was it just don't do it? No Dude, it's literally trying to do an official of the Chinese government can come to you and go We have to take your your building and you can't do anything about it. That is communism They can literally take your building and give it to their friends to run their business. It's crazy. Same thing I've heard with Tibet too. You're not allowed to talk about Tibet. Yeah. Those things. And you ever heard Kurt Metzger talk about the Dalai Lama and how they just brainwash this kid. And the kid's like,

Starting point is 01:53:26 dude, I'm hanging out, chicks are wanting to hook up with me. I'm just, I have the easiest life possible. Pete It's so strange. Pete It's so strange. All these Dalai Lamas are just kids they took and convinced them that they were gods. You know what I'm saying? It's like nuts, but the whole point is you're not allowed to talk about that stuff. Yeah and Because once it Once it takes roots and it's great and it just starts to fester you can't control it

Starting point is 01:53:55 Well and think about all the movements that have been led by just one charismatic speaker, you know from there's some some that have actually Happened that were grassroots believe it or not that were influenced by you know government and and I mean Yeah, I mean it just takes that you know and that's what comedy is really is You know just speaks right to the soul and that's why you know, I'm convinced that Jerry Seinfeld was a ploy To convince people that the only way you make it in comedy is to do this family-friendly corporate bullshit. About nothing, literally. You know, it's like any, you can say whatever you want about me, about the world, at the

Starting point is 01:54:33 world famous comic store, where my setting, you know, where I am and what I'm going to do and all that shit, you know, like in terms of like, you know, am I having weird sets there? I get standing O's all the time and then I'll have a couple weird sets, am I having weird sets there? I get standing out all the time and then I'll have a couple weird set like I just had a weird one the other night but the whole room was weird. Literally one of the funniest comics got off the stage and we're like, oh, they weren't laughing at that at all, you know, and whatever that is, like these young comics,

Starting point is 01:55:01 they're all great writers. They're really great writers. They have great form. They have great form. They have great structure. It's all corporate. It's all corporate comedy. It's all, everyone is a demographic mascot and is doing corporate comedy, not to piss off anybody,

Starting point is 01:55:19 which is this shadow in the cave industry that is completely dying. It's dying on the vine. Now it's moving towards the internet and YouTube and Instagram deciding who has careers and who doesn't have careers. That's 100% happening right now. But it's also energy, right?

Starting point is 01:55:39 Which gets into the next episode. But yeah, I mean, I understand that. It's so funny because you know, the way we do the show, we do two episodes and we break down the episodes. And it's just like two different energies, right? And it's just like, one is they're both equally important. One is one is realistic, honest data that can make people uncomfortable. And the other one is hope. And they're both equally dangerous to, you know, the people who established the establishment. Yeah. Right. And that's where you start to get the banked when your idea is so strongly,

Starting point is 01:56:17 they need to do something about it. And it's why we have a show where some mystery person uploads our episodes to YouTube. And then we get totally skin strikes now Yeah, people think it's one of you two guys it's mark it's not me I'd rather mark swears It's not him. I thought it was mark at one point and I think mark thought it was you actually which is hard I mean I would have owned I would have already told sound like hey, I'm doing it. Yeah, I've thought about When you tell me when you tell me our numbers aren't good. Cause I suck. And the guy who nobody knows is uploading our episode is now complaining that he's

Starting point is 01:56:53 getting strikes for medical misinformation that has already been agreed upon. That it's all coming out was that what we're calling out has been called out by the establishment. But yet YouTube refuses to give an inch to it. And we wonder why they're suffering and they are suffering. It's not just chat, GPT and all these AIs are destroying their search engines. I mean, like you look at Facebook and Instagram, they're in trouble. You're looking at Google's in trouble because they've basically controlled the search engine, which is hilarious to me, because that to

Starting point is 01:57:31 me kind of gets into the, are they trying to kill off an old brand and run everybody into AIs? Right? Johnny says that Google gives you an AI. Well, it's interesting because for a while there was this trend, especially last year and the year before, where people would append the word Reddit to any of their searches so that they would get Reddit responses because what they wanted was an answer in English in the form of a sentence. They wanted something from a person. And Reddit, an AI comes along just after that.

Starting point is 01:58:02 And now when you search Google, if it's like a question or something that can be answered in that way, it'll have a little AI answer at the top. Like, yes, this is 19.7. And how people are, and we've complained about this before, how people just assume AI automatically telling you the truth. Yeah, I have a real problem with that, dude,

Starting point is 01:58:22 because you're seeing that on social media everywhere now. You put out some piece of information and somebody comes at you with like well grock says this, you know Oh grock is this true? They make thanks grock and it totally gave him especially dude Ask grock a question that you already know the answer to and don't make it like oh why why is the sky blue? Ask it a dangerous question and watch it lie right to your face. Or just refuse to answer it. I asked it something a little saucy about what our guest was talking about today

Starting point is 01:58:54 about those passages in the Talmud. Yeah. Sorry, I'm laughing at Sam. And it just refused. It was like, yeah, that's against our terms of service to talk about that. We don't talk about that. Exactly. Isn't that funny?

Starting point is 01:59:10 It was just like, no, we don't talk about it. Not even like, hey, a little uncomfortable. Maybe. No, just no. In red, it came up like we don't talk about that. My favorite thing is when it goes, okay, this is against terms of service, but it still gives you the answer. I'm like, oh, I love that shit. Yeah, it's like, it's a dangerous thing, dude. And you go, you know, when, especially when you get into the Hitler stuff, you're like, okay. I mean, when he, he said something that just totally answered that what all the Hitler

Starting point is 01:59:42 dick riders have been saying forever, he locked up all the Jewish bankers Yeah, and he gave it to the Aryan bankers who did the exact same thing if any statement has ever been said on Tim Fowl hat that is probably the most powerful Statement ever said that was it I mean there's been times people said stuff where I'm like, holy shit, but like in terms of recently That's probably one of the most powerful statements set on the show And it really answers all the Hitler dick riders criticism and argument against that. He's controlled up He's you know, I mean it makes no sense when you look at Hitler and the Nazis and what they were doing

Starting point is 02:00:24 know, I mean, it makes no sense when you look at Hitler and the Nazis and what they were doing versus what they and what the establishment and the the masters mankind wanted and what they actually got, which was everything they wanted to the destruction of Germany and control of Palestine. It's it was a wonderful episode. It is a dangerous, dangerous episode. I hope someone doesn't come in day one listening to that episode. We're going to, you probably won't come back. You know? Somebody's buddy tells him like, Hey, you liked him for a hat. Same trip.

Starting point is 02:00:58 It was really funny, you know, kind of lighthearted. You know, but I also, like they say, he was open-minded to any of it like, you know, the thought of Hitler dying in Argentina he goes I'm open-minded if you can produce a documentation which proves it. I'll listen to it. That's the right attitude. That is the head on a swivel guys. There's constantly new data coming.

Starting point is 02:01:24 Also this guy talked to the Nazis. I, that was the other cool thing. I kind of glossed over that, but the guy taught, he actually talked to Nazis. And they told him, I mean, like I did, there's, there's so much value in that for me. Like I actually talk on the sources firsthand, you know, and primary sources, you know, reading them.

Starting point is 02:01:40 And you kind of look into like where our society is. We're talking to to especially on YouTube Talking the shiny 20 year old objects seems to be this kind of currency Right and like you know well, and you also talk to two guys. We talked to two guys today Most likely in their 70s. Oh, yeah And like the just a well of knowledge that they are. Absolutely. You know, drink from the fountain of knowledge. We just did that.

Starting point is 02:02:12 You know, and like how like when I watch these girls on Instagram, we just and yoga pants, like purposely putting camel toe as they have dumb conversations. And you're like, saturated and stupid. We know what you're doing.urated and stupid we know what you're doing They just power they know we're powerless against it. Oh, yeah, dude. We're not meant to see that It's our monkey DNA. We are now in a time where camel toe is Attractive when I was growing up of a chicken camel toe. She had to move They had to leave the city. She'd be made fun of she had to move she had to leave the city she'd be made fun of she had to move to another county which means which makes no sense why we would do that well yeah but it's also like this

Starting point is 02:02:52 whole thing where now it's currency or this idea that shame was a bad thing you know that's what the whole someone just brought that up on the pride movement you know is like hey i'm i'm remember when pride you know was a bad thing like being proud you know and is like, hey, I'm, I'm, remember when pride, you know, was a bad thing, like being proud, you know, and humble. It's why Lucifer fell from, from heaven. Pride. Yeah, yeah. And then humility is really where it's at, but that's an anti-virtue now that people don't look at that as a virtue.

Starting point is 02:03:16 It's like, hey dude, you want to be a weirdo? Do it fucking at home. Like this guy in Thailand is this Russian YouTuber from America went to Thailand. Oh yes. Now he's looking at 20 years. Yeah, because he was, it was a tribe that had not been contacted, right? And he was trying to go reach an uncontacted tribe. Well it's also that he was like going up to their law enforcement, flipping their hats

Starting point is 02:03:41 off, stealing their bikes, doing all this crazy shit. Oh really? Oh, I didn't know that. I thought it was about the tribe. I heard you left like a Coca-Cola or something out there. If we're talking about the same guy. I don't think we're talking about the same guy. It was like India or something? No, this is a guy who is in Thailand and was purposely going there to be like, look how crazy I am. Okay, India. Let me see if I can find the one. India YouTuber, uh, uncontacted. It's the same kind of thing though.

Starting point is 02:04:07 Yeah, just the arrogance. And he's also Russian, which is weird. Okay, his name is Mikhailo Viktorovich Polyakov, and he left a can of Diet Coke and a coconut as an offering to this uncontacted tribe called the Sentinelese. I think it's like off the coast of India or something. But yeah, he's trying to be the first. And this is a place where people have gone missing in the past. People trying to reach them, like missionaries and stuff just come up, gone, you know, disappeared. Pete Slauson Yeah. Jared Slauson They probably ate them or something. Pete Slauson Yeah, probably.

Starting point is 02:04:39 Jared Slauson And this guy's out there trying to… Pete Slauson Probably like, white meats the best meat. Jared Slauson Bring some diet cokes. I mean, like, what the hell? You know, you remember the movie, the gods have gone crazy, gods... Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's just trying to get them back their bottle? Yeah, those are funny movies. Those are, dude, those are great movies.

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Starting point is 02:11:53 Felipe Esposa! Yes. Johnny. Yeah, come check out the new Broken Sim. We are, we're killing it over there. For some reason, people seem to like that show. We've been doing it. Two dudes talking.

Starting point is 02:12:08 Enjoy these highlights. Here's a clip from the latest broken SIM. Okay. Look, first of all, look at this is a, what a sassy boy. Look at his picture there. Look at that. That guy, that guy loves war, but even though he was at a of age to go fight in the Iraq war, he didn't want to go.

Starting point is 02:12:25 What a sassy boy. So sassy, uh, Douglas Murray, uh, long headline here, boy. Uh, so-called Israel Hamas, Ukraine war quote experts, spew false info on Joe Rogan's podcast. There has to be a standard. Uh, he goes last week, I seem to break the internet. I went back on Joe Rogan. The only thing I've broken is your ass.

Starting point is 02:12:48 They broke your ass. They split your ass more than it was split before. Here. He says he's been on Joe's podcast a number of times and enjoyed it. Now I'm curious if you think this next part is true. He said he gives credit for Joe being a master of his art for being able to talk interestingly, interestingly like that. And then he says, uh, that, uh, he brings up Dave Smith here. He says, uh,

Starting point is 02:13:13 claiming some Jewish ancestry. That's weird. Why do you say it like that? Claiming some Jewish and said the only Jewish interests and, and rest and you got it buddy. Come on, come on. Ancestry. Yeah. Yeah. The only Jewish ancestry that Douglas Murray has in him is his

Starting point is 02:13:33 husband's dick in his ass. It took you long enough to get there. It was worth it, dude. It was so worth it. Um, okay. So he goes, uh, specifically Dave Smith has decided to spend his time going around the podcast world, sounding off about Israel. In the process, he largely cites people like him,

Starting point is 02:13:54 people who have many views, but no obvious expertise. He brings up Darrell Cooper here, who says he isn't a historian, yet has been invited onto some of the world's biggest podcasts as a historian. One of Cooper's many a historical claims is that Winston Churchill was the chief villain of world war two on these many and other on, on these and many others, some real quick about Winston Churchill.

Starting point is 02:14:19 I said last week, Douglas Murray said things that tooth people at the same level, okay, the same level. Okay. The same level of this war on each side, one guy, good one guy bad. And neither of them can at all mix and be the, the same person on each side. Okay. You know, my theory on Hitler, he was a British spy. That's my, he's a gay tweaking British spy. Okay.

Starting point is 02:14:46 Now, if we take a look at history, we take a look at the opium and the British India opium wars, who were the bad guys there? The British who went into China to curb something because the, the, the, the emperor at the time would not allow opium sales. Okay. The revolutionary war, who is the bad guy? So we're told the British empire, where is the war where the British are the good guys?

Starting point is 02:15:14 It doesn't exist. Yeah, except in the Iraq war. You remember? Remember who was the guy, what was the guy the name that was in Britain at the time? Tony Blair. Tony Blair Tony Blair? Everyone knows calls him a war criminal He bad guy in the Iraq war but suddenly suddenly in this one war

Starting point is 02:15:36 They're just pure light. I mean, are you crazy? Yes, the British Empire So he goes starts going in on Cooper and he this is the thing you got him on last week which I thought was so funny. He said when invited to debate the world's foremost living expert on Churchill last year, he declined saying that he didn't know enough to go up against such a figure. I just think that's funny. He really leans into that, uh, that, uh, accusation.

Starting point is 02:16:09 Uh, so here's the part I, I'm curious if you think it is true. Uh, cause it sounds to me like probably not true. Um, he says that Rogan told him he could come on to promote his book, but only if Dave Smith could be there to kind of check him. Uh, what do you think? Do you think that's true? He said, it's definitely possible That that to me just sounds unlikely He says uh

Starting point is 02:16:29 But for my return to the show the deal was that I could come on only if Dave Smith was once again in The studio as if Joe did you know that says to me Johnny? Yeah, that he knows he took an L and now he's now he's like I oh I can only come on if Dave's there There are it sounds to me like he knows he took it out See it sounds to me like he wanted to give if he did this I think he would have wanted to give Dave a chance to explain himself because Dave was getting a lot of crap mainstream About the Churchill thing from the like with a week or two weeks before It almost rings to me. like maybe he wanted to have Murray on with Dave to kind of give Dave a chance to

Starting point is 02:17:11 exercise that idea a little bit, you know what I mean? Kind of work through it. And here's what he says, Douglas Murray, he says, I like a debate as much as the next Scotsman, but what resulted was more than a debate. It seems to have led to some kind of podcast world meltdown. Uh, the first reason was that from the outset, I was challenged, I challenged Joe on his choice of guests and why he had been giving a platform only to one side of a debate and a very conspiratorial one at that. Yeah. So really defensive.

Starting point is 02:17:42 So, so he, he sets off the tone. He sets this tone for what he's crying about right now. Right away. You set the tone, dude. You came in immediately guns a blazing. And the problem is you got outgunned. Yeah. And he even brings it up here. He says that, uh, experts have kind of had a bad couple of years. Um, but he says it does not mean that a comedian can simply hold himself

Starting point is 02:18:09 out as a middle East expert and should be listened to anybody as if he has any body of work he's obsessed with this idea of you having some status. And go up. You just jumped the most incredible line I've ever seen. Go down from the COVID lab leak to the Hunter buying laptop. We have lived through years and years after years after which distrust of experts has become inevitable. But what he's trying to say there is he's trying to tag podcasters

Starting point is 02:18:43 with the Hunter laptop, with the COVID lab leak. And this is my whole thing when you know, What do you mean by that? So what I think he's saying here is that these experts have been horribly wrong, but that doesn't mean that we don't need expertise still is what he's trying to say here. But, but Johnny, here's the issue with that. Okay. Well, I know it's wrong. He's an idiot, but

Starting point is 02:19:07 here's the issue with that. It's like the mainstream media where the experts are. Okay. Yes. He's saying is inevitable, but listen to me, dude, the left, you know, like my, it's my problem with like, and I love them to death. Mark Marin going off about a Theo and Joe and Tim Dylan having Trump on why he had Hunter Biden on.

Starting point is 02:19:29 It's so crazy, dude. Hunter Biden went on the guy who everyone knows molested his niece, his dead brother's daughter. Oh dear. I mean, what are you talking about? How are you comparing lies of the media to Dave Smith who was right? And Dave Smith even said it. I was more right about COVID, which is basically him cleaning that up in this after the podcast,

Starting point is 02:19:57 Douglas Murray. Dave Smith said I was more right. If you'd like to hear the rest of this episode, subscribe to Broken Simulation in your podcasting app or check us out at youtube.com slash Sam Tripoli. We go deep home, boys. Aaron, open your mic. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere.

Starting point is 02:20:22 That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron! This is only the beginning. You just blew my mind.

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