Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #884: The Pyramid Of Power With Derrick Broze

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Starting point is 00:00:47 All right. Welcome to Tim Foyle hat live from the Wise Wolf, Golden Silver Studios. Go to Wise Wolf. Go to Sam Tripoli dot gold. Use the promo code Tim Foyle and you too can get in on the pressure smells game for as little as $50 a month. And we thank them for sponsoring the show. Very excited to have, uh, one of the oh geez of this whole thing on He's a real journalist. He's an independent journalist

Starting point is 00:01:08 He's you know bringing a bunch of tribes together to put out the information for the masses for those who want it He has the consciousness Conscious resistance network as always it's an honor to have him on I think he's been on a couple times glad to have him back Please welcome to Tim Fall. Hi Derek bros. How are you buddy? Hey, I'm doing great man. It's been a while glad to be back It's been a while very excited to have you on Derek for those who may not be familiar with you and Your last appearances and the work you're doing Q. Tell us a little bit about yourself and where our listeners can find you

Starting point is 00:01:43 Yeah, absolutely brother. So as you said, I'm an independent journalist. I think that kind of covers most of what I do. I wear a few different hats, but normally you'll find me writing articles, producing videos, documentaries, podcasts, interviews, etc. I've written a few books. My main website is theconsciousresistance.com. That's where all of the above is at. I'm also a weekly writer over at The Last American Vagabond with Ryan Christian and Whitney Webb and some other folks there. And I've been doing this work for 15 years now. I started in late 2009, 2010, woke up after going to prison at an early age. And that kind of was my wake up call in a lot of ways. And then from there got out and started waking up more

Starting point is 00:02:26 politically. I say the first wake up was more like a spiritual wake up, if you will, got into meditation and things like that when I was locked up. And that kind of helped me once I got sober, come out into the world as a felon and start questioning the world in other ways. And now I've been on that journey, just doing independent media. I produce documentaries. I've written a few books, most recently, how to opt out of the technocratic state. And overall, just trying to be an example of a free human who's trying to expose corruption and focus on whatever solutions we might have available to us. I love it, dude. I love it. Do you think you can fully get out of the technocrat state? I don't know if, well, I'll say this. I mean, I wrote the book,

Starting point is 00:03:09 which people can download for free at theconsciousresistance.com slash how to. There's a free audio book, free PDF. It's in multiple languages, pick it up there. I wrote it originally in 2019, going into 2020. So six months before COVID, I actually published it in January 2020. And it has nothing to do with, you know,

Starting point is 00:03:27 viruses and pandemics or anything like that. It was more just my work as a journalist has largely focused on digital surveillance and, you know, facial recognition and these sort of tools. And, you know, long story short, that goes back to my activism days in 2013, 2014, back in Houston, I was leaked some pictures from a Houston Police Department

Starting point is 00:03:47 officer who was inside of a training session that they were hosting about me. And he told me that I was, he passed through another journalist on information that I was under surveillance. And he actually took pictures from within the classroom. And I could see myself up on like a little projector and things like that. And so when I found that out, I was like, okay.

Starting point is 00:04:03 And at that point I'd only done like local activism, confronting cops, you know, ask questioning the mayor, things like that. And so when I found that out, I was like, okay. And at that point, I'd only done like local activism, confronting cops, you know, ask questioning the mayor, stuff like that. But they, he told me I was under surveillance, and I started to really like dive into what does that even mean? You know, this is also around the time Snowden's coming out with his documents. So really just dove in and that has become, you know, if there was one topic I've consistently wrote about over the last 15 years, it would be digital surveillance, now more specifically technocracy. But yeah, it's been something I've been focusing on. So when I started writing the book in 2019, it was with this awareness of how rapidly facial recognition was moving at the time. And here we are six years later,

Starting point is 00:04:37 it's even further. As we're recording this today, the real IDs required across the US, like a lot of these things have advanced, you know, they've got cell phone detection technology. They've got gate detection, voice detection, obviously all these fun new tools. And so I just really dove in and tried to pick myself an expert on it. And people who are much more educated than me, even back in 2017, 18, 19,

Starting point is 00:04:58 were warning about the rise of digital IDs and facial recognition. COVID taught a lot of people about the danger of these, but this has been going on for a while. So when I was writing the book, it was trying to answer the question that you asked. It was like in a world of emerging surveillance everywhere, and not only that,

Starting point is 00:05:15 where a lot of people just give up their privacy voluntarily, is it even gonna be possible in the coming years to stay free? Because I do think historically, privacy and liberty are intrinsically tied. Once you lose privacy, then it's kind of hard to be free in many ways. And even 1984 warned about that, like, you know, you wouldn't even know if you were free in your own thoughts, that sort of thing, right? So I do think it is possible. I don't think the

Starting point is 00:05:38 majority of people, the vast, vast majority, even people who are so-called awake, are willing or ready to do what it might take to be free of these systems. And outside of that, I think there's ways to be kind of inside and outside, but I do think it's gonna get more and more difficult as digital IDs roll, as these systems roll out. We're gonna have to make a choice. Just in the last year, the head of the TSA has said,

Starting point is 00:06:03 in the next two years, they expect facial recognition to be mandatory at all airports. I wrote about this in my book and was basically saying, at some point, we're going to have to draw the line. Each of us as individuals have to decide what sort of technology we want to say yes to and which ones we don't want to. What does that mean? Does that mean you stop flying? For some people, including myself, it will. For others, they'll make a compromise. And I do think the more we make those compromises, then we get more used to this kind of technocratic world they're building. And before you know it, you don't, you know, you aren't free from it anymore.

Starting point is 00:06:33 And then it becomes extremely difficult to be outside of that system. Because if you know, like, for example, I went to Denmark recently, and they don't have this full on system, but they've already got digital IDs. And I was giving talks about this and warning about this. And they're like, raising their hands, Derek, we already have a digital ID here. And they explained how it's not even mandatory, but you can't do shit without it, man. You can't get on a bus, you can't get insurance, you can't open a bank account. So that's, I think, where we're headed all over the world. And if you can stay free of

Starting point is 00:07:02 that, it's going to depend on what you're willing to do. No, they already have that. I mean, I don't get it, but pre-check, they make you feel, they make you wait in line while everybody goes straight ahead. And that's because they were compromised and were willing to give out their, their face or their exactly. And now it's even gotten even more where you got the, what the, whatever the ID is called, what they're making us get the real ID. So now if you don't even even have the real ID you got to wait in another line and But you can still get through if you don't have really passport. I guess just a passport. Yeah But I haven't flown since it's I think I don't I think I mean I

Starting point is 00:07:39 Passports and global entry and all those things are forms of real ID. I think is that's how they view it. Yeah exactly. I don't think you can get through it all. I'm not getting a new one I'm just gonna use my passport. You can definitely still get through with just the passport I actually just put out a report about this a couple of weeks ago and again this is just another gateway to digital IDs like right now it's just like if people look at their ID whatever state you are if there's like a little star in the corner you've already got real ID you probably got it without realizing it. And in that way, and people like Ron Paul

Starting point is 00:08:08 were warning about this back in, right after 9-11, when they started talking about this, that it's no longer just, you know, Texas's ID, California, et cetera, it starts to become closer to being a national ID card. But at the airport and federal building, you can still use your passport for now. And then there's also two other options.

Starting point is 00:08:25 Besides the new state ID, real ID or passport, you can use what they're calling mobile drivers licenses or just digital drivers license. And again, this is like another step in that digital ID. So you can have it loaded to like an Apple wallet or a Google wallet. And some states are now having their own digital wallets. It's still very early, but if you look on the TSA's website, it says that they'll accept that as well for right now. I've been warning people, like, if you're already used to doing everything on your phone, for most people, it's not going to be a big changeover.

Starting point is 00:08:52 Okay, all of a sudden, I just throw my ID on there. Whatever, no big deal. That's us getting closer and closer to the China WeChat system or just one app to rule them all, one app with every single thing your health information your bank information, etc And I think everybody here understands the danger of centralizing all that information But to be clear though with a regular ID you cannot get through right? Yeah, that's true. Yeah I'm like your normal state ID doesn't work as of today May 7th Oh today it started so Sam as of today if you don't have your passport

Starting point is 00:09:26 or the real ID you will be missing your flight. Wow! Yeah I have a little global entry thing, a little card. Johnny you're such a sheep. It's pre-check Sam, it's the same thing you have. Remember when you did pre-check and you told everybody to get it so we did? Well, I do think that a good, important point there is that a lot of people are going to be sold these systems, not even just Real ID, but the broader systems we're talking about here,

Starting point is 00:09:56 in numerous ways. And I've always thought the most, the two most convenient ways is entertainment, and then of course, fear. And like on the entertainment side of things, we see like video game technology testing out facial recognition. So some people are getting familiar with it

Starting point is 00:10:10 and comfortable with it that way. You see like I've heard from friends who go to football games or baseball games or whatever that most stadiums now, I think Ticketmaster through them, they're not even allowing like doing physical tickets anymore, right? So that's all digital. People are getting comfortable with that.

Starting point is 00:10:25 And they're rolling out facial recognition at the football stadium. So it's like they're using these ways that not to say all people who want sports, I enjoy sports are sheep and just going to follow along. But I do think a lot of people will be like, oh, I want to get into the concert. I want to get into the game. Okay, whatever. I'll just, you know, do what I have to do. People aren't necessarily protesting that. And I feel like that's just one of the easier ways. Get it in through the entertainment side.

Starting point is 00:10:45 And then of course use fear of like, we need to get digital IDs for COVID or voting or whatever. They do that at the Intuit Dome, which is owned by one of the committee of 300, which is Steve Ballmer, who owns the Clippers. I mean, imagine being that possible power. Imagine being that powerful and you can't even get out of the first round of the playoffs

Starting point is 00:11:16 Aren't the sports rigged that's what I break he was telling me I didn't dove into it all but is that true What do you think you guys talked about? I had a guest talk about that I just talked a little bit with that would Jay Dyer on that Okay, so I Again, we we would say that they rig certain things, for sure. I don't know how they're allowed to do a total rigging with so much money being bet. That seems to me like that's a lawsuit waiting to happen,

Starting point is 00:11:40 like a ridiculous call or something like that. But we've seen it happen, like a very famous basketball play 20, 25 years ago was the Larry Johnson four point play. Like they needed four points to stay in the game and Larry Johnson shoots and they call a foul and there wasn't even a foul. And I'm a Nick fan, so.

Starting point is 00:11:59 Well, that's like the one you said with, I didn't know that they fired some Super Bowl refs. Obviously, cause there was some sketchy shit shit but us normal people that don't watch football It's just like it was weird that taylor swift made it to the Super Bowl Yeah, well, you knew that's all they wanted dude. And so is it I mean obviously It's been totally scripted her ended up there the boyfriend romance thing all that and like all the local all the sports talk radio show People who are hosts or who are normally great and some are just annoying but that's why you listen to them to hate listen but

Starting point is 00:12:29 you know they were just gaslighting their crowd like dude they're not gonna they can't rig it they're not gonna rig it they're not you know and it's just like no dude we were right you were wrong you'll never go back like I'm I'm so old school I listen to NBA radio on Sirius and you know those two the host that are really great show just gaslighting their listeners about Vaccines about about just get it if you're if you're a team player, you'll get it and then a year later They're like I we never said that we would never tell you to get a vaccine. They were 100% doing it. And now you got all of these NBA play. Well, all two major ones,

Starting point is 00:13:10 two that we've heard of that we focus on that have gotten blood clots. And it's like, nobody wants to listen to us again with the fires. We told you they were going to take over. They were going to eminent domain that shit and look at what they they're doing right now Yeah, if you don't tell us we're gonna take your property and it's just crazy to me because I don't know why People are so resistant how I gotta say my mom. She's almost 80. She she's I don't care What are they gonna do to me? I sleep in my bed all day. I don't give a shit, you know, but it's like young people in my bed all day. I don't give a shit. You know, but it's like young people, it's just like they're so distracted and they just don't care. And these young kids with all the internet and all the stuff on there and this kind of weird way where they're like anti-political

Starting point is 00:13:55 correct button, some ways they're like super conformative, like they're so conformative. And I just don't get it because they have they have what appears to be more options than ever yet they just conform to the official narrative I think a lot of the younger generation feels totally fucked I mean they do have like more options in some ways but you know you you guys have probably seen or read over the years of people talking about it this idea and I think there's truth to it that you know that that millennials and then Gen Z people, there's less homeownership, there's less people moving out later if they are moving out at all.

Starting point is 00:14:33 And I definitely know I could name a handful of friends, maybe 10, who aren't bums, who definitely aren't lazy or anything like that, but are still, if not living with their parents, or they've gone back at least once or twice a couple of times, right? In the pursuit of trying to make it on their own just because things being tougher for them financially or costing more rent going up, et cetera, like that. So there's definitely, I feel like, like my brother, my younger brother is like 27. So we're 13 years apart. And I don't know if, if that's even like really a major thought in his head Obviously, not everybody, but it seems like among him and his friends group, it just seems to be more normalized, where I just remember being ready to get the hell out of my house

Starting point is 00:15:13 as soon as possible and go out and do my own thing. Yeah. I don't know. It seems like some of them, they might have more options, but some also I feel completely fucked that there's just nothing. Or at least that's the message that's being, especially when you put in climate change narrative too, then they're really like, oh my God, we're screwed.

Starting point is 00:15:29 I was talking to somebody pretty important in my life today and they were telling me how it's really hard to find American workers who are disciplined. Like, and that sometimes that people that hire her unfortunately don't want foreigners cleaning their houses. and that sometimes that people that hire her unfortunately don't want foreigners cleaning their houses. Okay, yep, there we said it. But when they try to get Americans, there's no attention to detail.

Starting point is 00:15:59 There's this notion that I could do whatever I want. And I do believe that's in a weird way this American Idol effect. Do you think if they got paid more, they'd do a better job? Like let's say a white person, if you pay a Mexican and a white person the same, I'm pretty sure like you said,

Starting point is 00:16:14 maybe the Mexican might do a little better because they wanna regain the job. They don't wanna lose this job. They're like, dude, if I don't do a good job, she might not call me again to clean this house. Well, that's what Joey Diaz calls immigrant mentality. Where it's like- The other person's just like, if if I don't get called I can just go to McDonald's I can apply again It's this thing where if you dig up a double thing. Everyone's like nobody wants work

Starting point is 00:16:33 Well, they want to work but are they disciplined also this idea of paying your dues just doesn't exist Yeah, that's what I was trying to say the American Idol effect where it's like you had these people Who are all working at Dave and Buster's one week and the next week they're playing arenas and it's this notion that that's how you got to do it. Apprenticeship, we've talked about it before, apprenticeship is just dead. Taking your time to learn the skills is definitely, you know, and the internet does that too. You see a lot of like comics going. People would rather be influencers or try to go viral or something.

Starting point is 00:17:04 And when that, that's going gonna destroy our country as well do going viral um the technocrats I mean we we see it all the time I want to get in some of you real quick Derek you have I think I've seen you and correct me if I'm wrong there are people who have labeled you black pill and I have issue with that. And I would love to hear your opinion because you, Whitney, Webb, you often hear that said in almost like a slur type of way.

Starting point is 00:17:34 And I've had people come on my show and talk about how they feel like the Black Pill label is another intelligence agency move along the way that Conspiracy Theorists was was the way the New York Times and all these other people, they still call, oh, this is a wild conspiracy. Like everyone does in our, and most people know most conspiracies have been true. Okay, so I feel you on that, man. And you're not mistaken, especially around the selection, myself and Whitney and really everybody that we have, we started to form this thing called

Starting point is 00:18:10 the Independent Media Alliance actually around the election. Because we were like looking around and like, man, there's a lot of people losing their freaking minds and just falling for the same old shit again or making excuses for this and from our perspective. And so we wanted to bring together people that we thought we could collaborate with. And we've been doing these kind of bi-weekly panels. And anyways, as soon as we announced that, there was just this swarm of kind of hate coming for us, because of course,

Starting point is 00:18:33 it's the election and people are losing their minds. And it's the most important election of our lifetime again, and all this sort of stuff. And so that was like a common thing is you guys are just blackpilled. You're just blackpilled every time myself or Whitney or somebody in the crew would point out the closeness with Trump and the Zionists or Peter Thiel and all the things that we talked about have been proven correct in just the first few months. We're now living in the Palantir world order. And yeah, I've noticed the same thing. And I think I even tweeted something about that, like that blackpilled is the new conspiracy

Starting point is 00:19:04 theorist or something to that effect because it certainly feels that way. And I mean, to be certain, there are absolutely people I would say in the broader conspiracy space who are Blackpilled and some people who wear that label happily. They're like, yeah, fuck it. I don't care. We're screwed. There's nothing we can do. You guys just need to accept it.

Starting point is 00:19:19 And so it's funny and annoying for me personally to get that label because anybody who regularly follows my work know that I spend quite a bit of time trying to focus on solutions, including the how to opt out of the technocratic state book. It's part like, here's our current situation, but it's mostly, as the title implies, a how-to guide, things that I've done myself to avoid banks, to avoid talking to the IRS, to get more connected to land, all these kinds of ideas. So I've spent a lot of my years focused on solutions and how to get people more connected locally and just things that I think are more valuable than voting and things of that sort.

Starting point is 00:19:54 But because it's not a solution in terms of voting or supporting the system, then some people take that, they're kind of still stuck in that bubble, that programming from my perspective. And so they have this it's like the in the matrix, they talk about people who are so helplessly dependent on the system that they'll fight you to defend it. It's kind of like how I feel some people take it as a personal attack for somebody to say, this politician isn't who you believe, or this isn't going to solve your problems. People want to put I mean, I get that things feel

Starting point is 00:20:23 hopeless often. So people put all their hope in that. And then if you, yeah, if you poke holes in it and you, um, you know, destroy their illusion, then they can be quite aggressive. And so it was mostly from people who were, I would say, Trump supporters who didn't want to hear things related to anything critical of Trump. Because again, it was the most important election of our lifetime. If you're poking holes in Trump, then maybe there's a chance Kamala's going to win. And we'll think about that later, Derek.

Starting point is 00:20:47 Don't talk about it now. We need to be united or something with, I never felt, you know, that's not my movement. So yeah, it was, it was an interesting thing and it's still there, but it seemed like it was reaching like a new height right around the election. It seemed to be everywhere. And you know, and then you get into, like, I gotta ask you, Derek, do you believe that Jimi Hendrix is Morgan Freeman? Do you believe that?

Starting point is 00:21:09 Because apparently- Holy shit, I've never heard that one. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, because if you don't believe that, you're controlled up according to the internet. Clearly. But when you get into that, and this kind of like, this thing

Starting point is 00:21:25 that the conspiracy community does that they always say the left does, which is eat their own. I see that happen all the time. And even within great researchers, I'll see researchers going, great researchers going after other great researchers, whether it's saying you stole my ideas,

Starting point is 00:21:45 you know, that's not correct. And at the end of the day, it should be, do we both basically agree the government did something, the intelligence agencies did this, did that, and I just feel like that is another, I don't know if it's necessarily intelligence controlled, because I think some of them aren't intelligence controlled at all.

Starting point is 00:22:05 Sure. They're just this kind of thing where it just becomes boxing. You saw that in comedy early. Like in those. The focus is on the differences, not the similarities. 100%. Exactly. And it's also becomes like a personality contest.

Starting point is 00:22:19 This to me, and look, I'm guilty of it. Like I talk shit with the best of them out there, but I don't try to do it in the sense of what we're describing here, where it's just like a personality contest. Like it's the high school never ends, right? And that's kind of what it feels like sometimes. I'm on the internet and here's these different cool kids

Starting point is 00:22:34 with a certain amount of followers. And then somebody goes at each other. And it's clear that some people in the audience, just the viewing public, love it. They like it. Like they get off to this shit. They like, you know, they love the drama. It's like, I don't know, it gives them something to be excited about. They're like, Like they get off to this shit. They like, you know, they love the drama. It's like, I don't

Starting point is 00:22:45 know, it gives them something to be excited about. They're like, forget the mainstream pop culture and drama. We want our you know, conspiracy drama. This person's arguing with this person and calling this person a shill. I think that's mostly a waste of time. I mean, for multiple reasons. And that's, you know, even with saying there are people I am very suspicious of and people I don't trust. And I tend I mean, I'm just not a trusting guy. So I tend to trust people about, you know, the more I get to know them, especially if it's an in-person thing, then, you know, you tend to maybe trust them a little

Starting point is 00:23:11 bit more. But I kind of take everybody on that approach. Like, I'll work with you, collaborate with you, network with you up until a point where I'm like, no, they're up to some shady sit, I'm going to just move on and do my own thing, you know, once they prove themselves unworthy or untrustworthy. But I think it also does turn into what you're describing where, and own thing, you know, once they prove themselves unworthy or untrustworthy. But I think it also does turn into what you're describing where, and I mean, every one of us, you do anything on the internet, you're going to get called a shill, you're going to get called controlled opposition, and people come up with the silliest things. And it's partially because, well, we are in a movement of paranoid people who question the government and who know

Starting point is 00:23:42 that the government does do shady shit like that. We have COINTELPRO. We have clear evidence of them infiltrating social media. And this is why David Icke and others, including myself, have started to use the term mainstream alternative media, because we really do believe there is a section of the so-called independent media, alternative media, that is actually

Starting point is 00:24:00 funded by different groups who are trying to steer the conversation in a certain direction and divide the broader movement, if you will. Some of that's just natural. People are going to have difference of opinions and it should be okay, but I do think this is a big problem in the conspiracy culture. It seems like I'll just give you a recent example where I got a little bit of attack from the online mob.

Starting point is 00:24:24 I've been working on my documentary series, The Pyramid of Power, and the final episode is answering the question, who's at the top? And so I'm going through every rabbit hole, the Jews, the Jesuits, I'm looking at all the different controversial things. And I'm trying to study it though,

Starting point is 00:24:37 from like a real, like, I try to take, I think, a bit more of a nuanced perspective and not just speculate and read in 300 year old books and go into documents and do all this fun shit. So anyways, I just put it out there through social media saying, I said one thing, I said, what if blaming everything on the Jews is a Psyop? Or I said, what if, you know, that's one of the Psyop? And then I also asked other questions, just me, just honestly throwing shit out knowing it was probably going to cause something. But that ends up with me getting meme shared of me with a big nose and saying, oh, you're

Starting point is 00:25:06 just saying this because you're Jewish. And it's just an example to me of how the conspiracy community, especially on Twitter, I think, it just really, it's not the most intelligent space to be in, honestly. I mean, sometimes I feel very separated and apart from it, not trying to look at me, I'm so better or anything like that. But I do think there's a certain like, low level of discourse among some people. And it's just like, oh, this person's a shill, this person's this. And then also people repeating things and, you know, like somebody accuses me of something and somebody else doesn't need evidence. They

Starting point is 00:25:37 just take that and run. And next time they hear my name or your name, Sam, they're going to say, no, no, I heard this guy's a Freemason or this guy's a whatever. They don't got the evidence for it. They don't have any proof, but it's now being repeated and spread around. And it is the internet. It's life, I guess. But it's, I guess many of us, myself naively included in the beginning thought maybe we were kind of coming into a space that was more enlightened and people who care about the future of the planet and want to get to the truth. And so we're all kind of united by that desire. But it doesn't always feel that way for sure.

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Starting point is 00:30:46 They're just sober assholes now and lava might change but they're still you're gonna run into personalities The problem with people are people man Like they just have personalities and it's hard to deal with and not everybody has pure intentions and it's you know And like especially like, you know, I'd love to hear who you decide was the top of the pyramid But you know, like I've always said if you go hard to the right or you go hard to the left Right. You you blow up way more if you go down the middle and it's every every issue is a discussion for you What is the correct? take on it

Starting point is 00:31:22 that's hard to do because that involves thinking. And you know, I like, we're just simple creatures, man. The less we have to think, the more we enjoy something. I see it in comedy all the time. The minute you make a crowd person think, the laughter isn't the same. It's, you know, the simpler the comedy, the more they laugh.

Starting point is 00:31:41 And we see that with this in the conspiracy community. And you know, I don't know if every person who is controlled op, you know, air quotes, knows they're controlled op, you know? I think sometimes if you're constantly on the front page of YouTube, you know, there's something probably there a lot. Yeah, like you said, you might not even be like,

Starting point is 00:32:05 you're working for the CIA or something. It could just be that you happen to be promoting certain opinions that somebody somewhere finds valuable or useful, or that they think they can, they would benefit from having you out there promoting that opinion. Somehow that's gonna lead them somewhere that they'd like to get.

Starting point is 00:32:22 And you also said a good point there, Sam, that I think a lot of times, again, in our paranoid conspiracy communities, we're much more prone to jumping to intelligence agents, whatever, when in reality, I mean, yes, I do think these things exist. And there's, like I said, I have my suspicions, but also we divide ourselves so easily,

Starting point is 00:32:42 they don't even really have to do much. I mean, I think it's just like, if anything, maybe they had to try harder back in the day because they had to go to meetings and kind of whisper and send MLK letters and this kind of thing. Now they can just get online with bots and just have talk a bunch of shit and everybody's arguing and we make up conspiracies ourselves. Sometimes people are really just ego driven or money driven, or they're just assholes, you know, and that's just that.

Starting point is 00:33:05 It's not that they're a CIA agent or something. They just suck as a person and they happen to be looking for truth, but they're not necessarily ... They have other human flaws. We can sometimes, I think, ascribe conspiracies to human flaws and human issues. I agree. Let's get into what you wanted to talk about on here. And I appreciate the conversation. Let's talk about the sweatiest human being on planet Earth. And that's Peter Thiel.

Starting point is 00:33:30 I've never seen anybody sweat more than this guy. He looks like he has IBF. Maybe Prince Andrew during that one interview. He's been dipped in KY jelly. It's so crazy. He is always sweating. Like, he just has to use the bathroom. I don't know what it is or he's got a secret

Starting point is 00:33:46 He's worried. It's about to come out by keeping his but look at that dude. Look at that man Have you ever seen a dude that shiny all the time? Something ain't right. I bet you it's something to do with I bet it's some kind of longevity thing, dude I bet you he's doing it could be all that. You know, he's got that company with that's involved with like the youth Blood I can't remember the name right now Maybe he's doing transfusions with youth blood and make some extra sweat Peter teal sweaty some type of examples You'd be on like some type of Roy or something But I've never seen that before in my life every picture the other one shiny as fuck

Starting point is 00:34:23 He said it's that Prince that always sweats. What's his name? Prince Andrew. Prince Andrew? He sweats too, randomly, for no reason. He was interviewed about it. There's a reason. Yeah, because they got secrets. They got secrets. That's real power because there's no way he would be out front unless he... You don't make him the face of anything. This guy, he's so bizarre looking's so bizarre looking unless you have real no picture in which he's not sweating He can't even keep a straight sentence like if you actually hurt. He's not like he's some brilliant speaker or anything like it

Starting point is 00:34:54 And I'm not trying to hate on anybody with a stutter. I'm just saying this dude is like, you know One of the one of the evil ones and and it does feel like sometimes like revenge of the nerds Is what's going on and they just they're billionaires now and they've got technology and knowledge about all of us and they're gotten government contracts, military contracts. So yeah, we're definitely living in the Palantir Peter Tio world order. And you know, he's part of the PayPal mafia. I think he invented PayPal and then, you know, Elon Musk came in and grabbed all the glory

Starting point is 00:35:28 But I guess they kind of like hey, dude, just play ball and you'll get anything you want and more So where do you want to go with Peter because he's very interesting did yeah so, I mean I think Again, my articles for those folks who want to find them can be found at the lastamericanbagabond.com. I write weekly there. And around the election, and prior to the election, but especially around the election, I was trying to point to Peter Thiel because he's supporting Trump during the first time. For those who don't know, he's a steering committee member at the Bilderberg Group,

Starting point is 00:36:00 obviously PayPal mafia, as you said, Sam. Palantir is basically the private surveillance firm for the CIA. They got CIA funding from EnQtel. Their whole beginning of their project came from a former government, US government project known as Total Information Awareness that got shut down after 9-11 because even 20 years ago people cared more about privacy than they do now. And Total Information Awareness, you know, the one with the logo with the all-seen eye overlooking the earth, that got shut down.

Starting point is 00:36:29 And then the same people involved in that went and talked to Palantir, Peter Thiel and Alex Karp, who are both steering committee members of the Bilderberg group now, and basically helped them develop what they wanted to do publicly through the government, privately through Palantir. And Palantir has now been around for 20 years, but they've never seen as much growth as they've seen just in the first four years of the Trump administration in terms of like their stock and financial portfolio, but also in terms of the amount of people who are in this, what the media sometimes calls the theoverse. Peter Thiel, Universe, Alex Karp, Palantir. They're all up in Doge.

Starting point is 00:37:06 They're all up in different cabinet positions. Two of my articles that I think are important for people to check out and I'll send them over to you guys. One is called Meet the Peter Thiel Acolytes in the Second Trump Administration. And so I was talking about this before Trump got into office, warning people this is probably what's going to happen. And then, you know, once he starts making appointments, you could just go down the line. And there's people who are either working for the Teal Foundation, working for PayPal, working for Palantir, somewhere connected to Peter Teal, and, you know, close relationships. So there's about a dozen. I think actually, last count I had was 18 people, because I just updated, I put out another article called Welcome to the Palantir

Starting point is 00:37:41 World Order. And it is doing this just looking at the amount of contracts that Palantir has got with the US government now, the US military. SpaceX and Palantir, they're partnering on what they're calling the Golden Dome over the US, which is going to be like Israel's Iron Dome. They're going to have satellites and missiles to defend us and all this sort of stuff. So Palantir is getting massive contract for that. Elon Musk, SpaceX, they have this other program called Starshield, which is basically the private or the military side to Starlink. Everybody's getting Starlink for the internet, but at the same time as they're throwing up

Starting point is 00:38:13 those satellites, they're also creating this private surveillance network called Starshield, which we only know so much about it. The main thing we know is that it's a $1.8 billion contract with SpaceX for Starshield with the Geospatial Agency, which is the one to handle all the satellites, if you believe in satellites, around the world. And so, they're in the sense with that. Palantir is also helping, working with the Trump administration to locate illegal immigrants. And maybe some people think that's a good thing, depending on your view on that issue. But I don't think it's going to stop with just tracking illegal immigrants and maybe some people think that's a good thing if, you know, if depending on your view on that issue, but I don't think it's going to stop

Starting point is 00:38:46 with just tracking illegal immigrants. They're just building a closer relationship with Palantir and with ICE and using their AI to track people to skin, social media, to locate them. Um, they're now partnering with the IRS. That's been recently reported to help them, you know, make it more efficient. What they're doing with illegal immigrants is what Amazon did with books. They just pick a group that nobody really cares about. Like it doesn't really affect them. So Amazon built their whole system on selling books and nobody cared about books. I was like, who cares about books? Who cares about bookstores? Right? So they

Starting point is 00:39:21 worked this system, worked out all the kinks. And then when it was done, they moved into everything else. And now everything but Walmart is basically going out of business. And I like to go out and buy stuff. You know, that's what I like to do, but I'm old school. So, you know, the younger, but you're right. They took all the, all the, all the errors to make sure you get that shit overnight. Yeah. They figured it out. And so what Derek's talking about is they're working this new AI system on illegals and they're getting a bunch of people, probably the right that would

Starting point is 00:39:51 normally say this is unconstitutional or whatever, and they're accepting it. And I, it's so hard to talk to people about this. We talked about it on Broken Sim a couple of weeks ago, uh, about the Supreme court decision, you know, and we got, you know, quite a few comments of people saying, I just can't believe you guys feel this way about this. And I replied to everyone, I was like, okay, so what happens to the next administration with the same power? Exactly.

Starting point is 00:40:14 Exactly. And they decide that you're an insurrectionist, so you've lost your rights as a citizen. They already did it with January 6th. Right, well, that's what I'm saying. Those two precedents together. Yeah, you know, I think a lot of people are having an issue with the illegal immigration conversation because there's clearly examples of people who came to the U.S. illegally and then end up committing crimes, right? And of course, Trump and his, I think the right wing

Starting point is 00:40:36 and the Republicans for the last four years have just done nothing but hype that up, hype that up, both real issues and then I think many cases exaggerated ones and stories that turned out later to not be true. Whether they turned out to be true or not, it doesn't matter. People heard it and they thought it was real, right? And they just believe it. And that's again, part of the internet. So, so many people have heard like the illegal immigrants are just killing people, they're raping people, they're doing this and that. So at this point, they're just like, we don't care. I mean, I've had so many people say this is what I voted for. I don't care. They won't listen of like, hey, what about when it's used against you by the next guy

Starting point is 00:41:05 or when the other team has it? And they're just like, I don't care. They're just stuck in this present moment. And we're so busy winning. And it's the golden age of America or whatever. But yeah, I mean, that definitely worries me to see Palantir working closely with ICE. I encourage people to look into that.

Starting point is 00:41:20 It was reported by 404 Media First. And it's a $95 million contract just developing this AI system. They're also helping them develop a specific operating system for all of ICE's networks called Immigration OS. And yeah, in general, making it more efficient, which it's another conversation I wrote about a while back about how even the use of this efficiency like with Doge, there's actually a historical movement that I'd never heard about until a couple months ago called the Efficiency Movement, which predates the technocracy movement of the 1930s. And it was sort of like, how can we make the workplace more efficient? And how can we... Carnegie funded it,

Starting point is 00:41:58 Rockefeller funded it. And they were even like studying human movements, like, okay, in the factories, if this person takes a left instead of a right when they pick up that box that we save two seconds and you know $500 or something like that they were measuring it down to that point and I think in many ways what we're seeing with Elon promoting we're going to make government more efficient sure they're going to reveal certain things but it's ultimately about making the technocracy like sure get rid of bureaucracy which was the original idea of the technocrats. We don't need government, we don't need voting, we don't need capitalists, we need the engineers, the scientists to be micromanaging and running society. So I don't think this is what people really think it is in terms of the great awakening

Starting point is 00:42:37 and the golden age. And so they're willing to sort of overlook things like this. Or like you said, Sam, too, there's so much of like, it doesn't affect me, so what do I care, right? Or they put the worst case scenario. Here's an illegal immigrant who killed and murdered and raped and did all these horrible things. And it's just propaganda. And so then people look around, they're like, well, that could be a killer, that could be a murderer. And I guess also, I'm probably a little biased in this in the sense that my partner, Miriam, her family is an immigrant community. She's first generation born in the US from Mexico. They came illegally in the 90s and then there was

Starting point is 00:43:09 like a program under Clinton and they became legal citizens and they did the whole thing. Good tax paying, you know, upstanding people. They live in a small immigrant community north of Houston and I wouldn't say everybody there has their paperwork in order necessarily, but they're all good people. They're just people like raising their kids and just living their lives. And so there's clearly going to be, just like with everything the government does,

Starting point is 00:43:33 gonna be innocent people mixed up in this. And that's what we saw post 9-11, they built up all the terror. And so then they start doing rendition, kidnapping people off the streets and random brown people and Muslim people getting mixed up in it. And then like, whoops, sorry. And those lawsuits are still going on to this day.

Starting point is 00:43:48 A lot of people don't know that. They're still trying to fight for justice of people who are legally taken with no proof of terrorism or anything like that. And who knows if in like five, 10 years, we're gonna be seeing lawsuits about what's happening now with them taking people away and then realizing, oops, we made a mistake, but oh wellers for sure. I mean, when you think you, when you go, I'm okay with illegals

Starting point is 00:44:09 being deported without due process. Okay. You, you, you just know that you, that is the same argument being used against January Sixers, that they, they tried to overthrow the government. Okay. And we saw this with California. Do you guys remember when Gavin Newscum, okay, was like, hey man, stay home, be indoors because of COVID while simultaneous saying, because of COVID, we're gonna let all these prisoners out of prison. I don't know how you have those two thoughts

Starting point is 00:44:44 at the same time, but it becomes obvious what they wanted to do, which was a surge in crime. So once you get a surge in crime, then you start having people beg to be saved. It's the classic, classic demoralization so that you can, you know, to initiate your plans, which is martial law. So it blows me away to see people not recognizing that what you're just describing there, Sam.

Starting point is 00:45:13 I mean, I think I shared this a couple of weeks ago saying like many of the same people cheering on what's happening now were the same people rightfully complaining and, and, and pushing back against being labeled extremists during COVID-1984. Because in my mind, gang member is now the new terrorist. Gang member is the new extremist. Gang member is the COVID denier, whatever, anti-vaxxer. It's just another term that if you apply that at somebody, especially under the current way they're acting right now with wanting to ignore the courts, they could just take you and haul you away and keep promising and claiming in the public. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:47 We know he's a gang member because of this thing or that thing, uh, and never proving it because that's basically what we're witnessing now. And so, I mean, I've been all that stuff, illegals, um, uh, January sixers, all of it will go under domestic terrorists. That's, that's the term they want Everybody that was what the governor kidnapping Sciop was about that's what January 6 is about getting everybody Okay with labeling their neighbor as a domestic terrorist and once exactly your constitutional rights are gone

Starting point is 00:46:20 So, you know, I say it every on every show I go to. I'm sorry guys, if you heard a bunch of times, but the ACLU back in the day when they actually did good work before Trump shish kebab their brains, okay, they they would go defend the worst of the worst because you had to defend them because if you sacrifice your principles on people you don't like, it will be used against you again. Everything's about getting you okay with black bagging people. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 00:46:50 This all started back with Obama. Well, I mean, it started long before that. But, you know, in modern times with Anwar al-Awlaki, remember that guy? He was a US citizen. And he was droned without any trial or anything abroad. You know, they murdered him. The government didn't even attempt to bring him back for trial. Eight years, zero scandals. Remember they also killed his son too. The separate drone bar. And then, you know what?

Starting point is 00:47:14 Trump killed his daughter when he was in office with a drone bomb. Oh, I didn't know that. His daughter. Yeah. Trump dropped more drone bombs than Obama. That's another thing. Like there's this bullshit about him being a peace president that, well, he didn't start many new wars, which is partially true, but also it's a kind of a low bar to think like, okay,

Starting point is 00:47:31 he just kept the many wars that the US has going on. He didn't bother to stop them. But he actually dropped more drone bombs than Obama. And then also when he was in office, he issued an executive order removing the reporting requirement. So when Biden came in office, we actually have no idea how many bombs Biden dropped, drone bombs, because they were no longer even, not that we necessarily would trust the government reporting, but you can imagine if they're willing to say 100, there's probably more.

Starting point is 00:47:59 But yeah, after Trump dropped his record amount, he decided there's not going to be any more reporting requirements. So during Biden's term and now Trump's second term, we have to rely on private organizations that are doing their best to follow the media and on the ground reports of drone bombings. Yeah. And you don't start a war if you don't have to go declare a war, right? We used to have checks and balances where the Congress or the Senate would have to green light the war.

Starting point is 00:48:27 That's done. You know, Syria, Yemen, we don't do any of that. The, and then we have cut out agencies that do our dirty work. The IDF, Israel, I mean, well Israel of course, but ISIS, you know, those are all proxy armies. And it's mainstream now. Ron Paul was laughed off the stage multiple times over the Israel, of course, but ISIS, those are all proxy armies. And it's mainstream now. Ron Paul has laughed off the stage multiple times

Starting point is 00:48:48 over the years, in 08 and 2012, for bringing up that very issue about not declaring war, Congress losing their power to declare war because we just have these actions. They haven't followed that for so long. That's why, like you said, they just laugh at it because they're like, come on, we know we're not, nobody's asking for a declaration of war anymore. In fact, the

Starting point is 00:49:07 last time it almost happened, it was during Trump's first term, because he was funneling billions of dollars to the Saudis as they were starving Yemen. And you actually had like a brief moment bipartisan support where they got a bill passed that said that they would basically require the president to issue a declaration of war and Trump vetoed it. Cause he didn't, you know, of course, didn't want to have to do that. Yeah, 100%. So you, of course he hadn't started war because we don't do traditional setting up wars anymore. So that's how it goes.

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Starting point is 00:52:14 Now are there things I like that Trump says he's gonna do yeah, of course Okay, what he says and what he does are two different things I'm still waiting for anything on the IRS and the Fed But I mean if you said you did that I'd be like I'd take it at this point You know these tiny little wins here and there, but overall it's like, you know, new boss, same boss. I mean, Trump in, in one of my many documentaries I put out a couple of weeks ago, people can find it at my website. It's just like 15 minutes long.

Starting point is 00:52:39 And it kind of summarizes my articles about Peter Thiel and Palantir. And I mean, when you go through that list of people, I was saying who are connected to Peter Thiel, it's not just that they're connected to Peter Thiel and Palantir. And I mean, when you go through that list of people I was saying who are connected to Peter Thiel, it's not just that they're connected to Peter Thiel and Palantir. I think that's enough of a reason to be like, okay, let's keep an eye on these people. But you've also got besides the two steering committees and members of the Bilderberg group with Alex Karp and Peter Thiel, which is already crazy to think that not to say that they have never had influence in the White House, but we're talking about the dude who funded the entire Senate run

Starting point is 00:53:07 for the current vice president. And it was according to several reports, Musk and these technocrats out of Silicon Valley who told Trump he should pick Vance as his running mate. And he's most likely going to run for president, you know, in the near future. Right. So that guy didn't exist. He was just, you know, out there doing his thing. Peter Thiel funds him with the biggest donation of $21 million. He wins a

Starting point is 00:53:27 Senate seat. He's got like a Netflix movie all of a sudden for his hillbilly elegy book. And then he's vice president, right? These are important people that they're choosing. But you also see former young global leaders, you see attendees like regular attendees of the World Economic Forum. And I just know that if it was the other, you know, the shoe was on the other foot, if this was Biden and you're not to say they're not affiliated with him, but just people will call these things out. But then when it's with Trump, they're, I don't know, I was asking myself this today, like is the Trump cult bigger than the Obama cult was or because there was never really

Starting point is 00:53:59 a cult around Harris or Biden. It was just, they hate Trump, right? But Obama legitimately had, you know, mass hysteria around him. And I don't know, in some days, I do think that the Trump hysteria is worse because I think we can all agree that for the most part, historically, the right, the Republicans have at least been the ones that pretended to care about small government and pretended to care about the Second Amendment and certain things that you don't have to be a hard right, you know, far right figure to care about and say are important.

Starting point is 00:54:27 But in many ways, it seems like they're willing to say, OK, well, who cares about the Constitution? Because we want King Trump in there. And then they're cheering on him talking about running additional times. It's saying he's joking, even though they're selling 2028 Trump hats now, or tweeting out a picture of himself as pope.

Starting point is 00:54:43 There's some people pushing back against this. But for the most part, I just see a picture of himself as Pope. Like there's, you know, some people pushing back against this, but for the most part, I just see a continued deification of him. And of course, that goes back to, you know, the alleged assassination attempt and people immediately being like he was saved by God. That's why he's here now. Yeah, we I instantly didn't buy into that. I know those events. They have layers there.

Starting point is 00:55:03 That guy, if they want him dead, he's not getting out of there. And because the people who are meant to protect him are in on it as well. And there's a part of me that thinks with Trump, there is fatigue of fighting the fight, and they just wanna be, please, just somebody be on our side. So when you go, oh, he's just as dangerous.

Starting point is 00:55:27 You know, I always said, let's say Trump has the greatest presidency of all time, it's everything we've ever wanted for 364 days. Well, 365, he still should be putting his feet to the fire. It's free to do. And you know, somebody a long time ago on one of my premium content shows was like, when the press and everybody hates the president,

Starting point is 00:55:48 it's a little better because they're constantly calling him out on his bullshit. When everybody is kind of sucking his dick, then you can get away with more shit. Like Obama. Like Obama. Yeah, he deported more people than anybody, but everyone forgets about it because, oh, he's black. He's black. He deports, it doesn't matter. He's an outsider when he's really a Bush who's gay. I mean, and who cares about your sexuality?

Starting point is 00:56:09 Bush had it too after 9-11. I mean, he was just cloaked in righteousness for, he got two years of just, blank check for two years, Bush, I mean, the Iraq thing could have never happened without that. There's no way that would have happened. Well, that's what my whole thing with this, all these anti-Semitism bills,

Starting point is 00:56:25 it's like you think if you allow it to keep going, we're all goose-stepping to ovens, but in reality, 9-11, which Netanyahu was begging for, cost four million Iraqis their lives. That's literal death, not figuratively, and then you see the far right and their Zionism doing the same thing that the Progressive do which is arguing about Ideally what could happen not what is happening right currently or what did happen but the idea of what could happen

Starting point is 00:56:58 Oh, dude, if we allow this speech to still happen, we're all gonna be Nazis and there's there's going to be, well, the Nazis worked with the Zionists. What are you talking about? The first head of the, of, of NATO was a Nazi. They didn't change their names. They were all the exact same guys. You know, I think that dynamic of what you guys are describing about like Bush getting a free pass for a couple of years because of nine 11 and just the country being in a fervor of like, we need revenge.

Starting point is 00:57:24 I mean, I remember being 18 in 2003, watching the bombing starting to happen of Iraq. And they had me for a couple of months right before I became like a super anti-Bush, anti-war activist. Like, but they had me for the first couple months. I remember watching on TV and thinking like, oh my God, we're getting a bad guy. Like there's, you know, they're dropping bombs on some bad dude. I didn't know shit about anything, but that's just what, you know, the feeling was. That's what I was being told. And I think that it's just a perfect example of how the system in general passes the baton back and forth and it allows people to just stay trapped in it because, you know, Bush got to play the role of neocons. We all know the neocons are running the show and killing everybody. And there's rendition,

Starting point is 00:58:02 there's profiling on the streets, there's all this stuff. And then here comes a young black man, constitutional lawyer, who's saying, we're going to end all that stuff. We're going to end the surveillance. We're going to look into the torture. We're going to do everything. And then of course, we all know he gets an office and immediately says, we need to look forward, not backwards.

Starting point is 00:58:20 And then goes and does like everything that Bush did and 10 times worse. And people are like, well, he's still better let's elect him one more time and then After that after like multiple decades he obviously it started before them But for sure then like 9-eleven and Obama I think people left and right were just sick of it and then Trump kind of comes in playing the role of the Anti-establishment wrecking house like we're gonna totally change everything He's like throws a bone to the 9-eleven truthers throws a bone to the Federal Reserve people and just says everything he can and

Starting point is 00:58:48 promises these things, comes in and, you know, at least from my perspective and my reporting, definitely still serve the same deep state in a lot of ways. And my view is that all the alleged attacks on him, some of them I think were people who legitimately are just got, you know, Trump broken brain. But it was done in a way, I think, an operation done on purpose to make the public lose faith in the corporate media, which on one hand, I cheer, of course, but then at the same time, like they attack Trump for bullshit that we is easily, you know, disprovable Russia, Russia, whatever, right? People start to lose faith in the corporate media. And they're like, well, if they're attacking him, he must be a good guy, right? I mean, all the worst people in the world that we know are horrible. They're attacking

Starting point is 00:59:29 this guy. And he says, I'm the only thing standing between them and you. I'm the one you know, they're coming after me because they're trying to get to you this whole narrative. I just think that was all a huge operation. And then even bring in Biden, like bring in this old dude. And it's like, we're going to go back to normalcy. So for the people who were just like, oh my God, I'm just stressed out by Trump. It was like, okay, anything, anybody, anybody, just somebody better. Right. And then of course, teach, you know, telling the other side that the whole thing was stolen

Starting point is 00:59:54 from them. I just feel like that's how they build these narratives. And then of course, the war continues, the Zionism continues, et cetera. But there's just these narratives that they're putting in front of us and then social media to maximize the reach and allowing that baton to just pass back and forth and back and forth. And so Trump builds up a surveillance state that he inherited from Obama, that Obama inherited from Bush, and then Biden continues it. Biden continued deporting, continued all the things. And like you said a moment ago, brother, the people will say one thing if it's the left, but then they'll ignore it when it's the right and vice versa.

Starting point is 01:00:27 And yeah, I mean, it's an intelligent operation, whether it's done by intelligence networks or just, you know, it just happening by circumstance. But I definitely, in my view, these narratives have been crafted specifically because like Ron Paul was mentioned, when they didn't want Ron Paul to win or even get support in 2008 and 2012, if they mentioned him at all, they talk shit about him. But for the most part, they just ignored him completely. So I think that if the media ever really didn't want Trump to like, you know, back in 2015, if they were just like, we let's just blackball this guy, they would just not report on him. Instead, they reported on every single thing he said, every tweet, every stupid, you know, just whatever, just hyped it up and built it up.

Starting point is 01:01:05 So I don't think that there was this effort to keep him, you know, from the white house and keep the people away from the anti-establishment hero. I agree. And you know, we talked about Q a lot back in the day, and I said this on the show that Q could easily be then telling us everything they're doing because they wanted to destroy the old system. And sure shit, everything's going away. They are destroying these institutions.

Starting point is 01:01:31 We are like, the WEF is on the brink of extinction. The UN's on the brink. This and that and this and this and that. And maybe that's fine. Maybe those institutions fulfilled their usefulness, right? So we don't need them anymore, we don't need a WEF anymore. Because you remember when everything was ESG and then that just became so toxic?

Starting point is 01:01:56 What happened to ESG? It became DEI. Yeah, and they've got something new now, I can't remember what it's called, but they're phasing DEI out in favor of this other acronym that I forgot Right. So now that's death. There's always another acronym Yeah, well, we have global boiling now instead of global warming Right. So a word gets so a phrase a word a label gets so toxic that they they just change it with a new term

Starting point is 01:02:20 Absolutely Then we start to build up that and And then everyone, they just do that. You know, Klaus Schwab, he's getting investigated for corruption. You're like, he's so toxic now that to those who know who he is, which most people don't, the whole thing is to make us so dumb we can't participate in government. Saturators are useless knowledge dumb we can't participate in government. Saturators are useless knowledge, so we can't participate. Sam, what you said there about them, like the WF was the focus for the COVID years,

Starting point is 01:02:53 and now they're kind of maybe going, drifting back to the background for the most part where they've been since the 70s. I think it's just because those groups are still the front-facing groups, right? You were asking about the pyramid of power. I'll tell you, man, I've been just so knee deep in this research. I think some of this you're gonna really enjoy when we release this final episode. I've actually just been editing the audio

Starting point is 01:03:14 right before we did this interview so I can send it off to my editor. And just for anybody who doesn't know, it's a 17-part documentary series called the Pyramid of Power that I've been working on for the last five years. And we have all 16 episodes available for free at the pyramid of power.net. And it looks at the World Economic Forum, Bilderberg, but it really starts like my goal

Starting point is 01:03:33 with it was how can I take the best books and documentaries that exist out there, condense that down and mix it with my own original research, but condense that down to 30 minutes or less of just like what you need to know to get caught up on this topic. And then have some suggested solutions at the end of each episode and then end the episodes with if you want to learn more, watch this documentary, read these books, et cetera. And so we started with education system, the media, big tech, and going on and on the prison system, the foundations, et cetera, and getting like deeper and deeper. We released them in seasons of four episodes at a time.

Starting point is 01:04:06 So we've been working on this the last five years, and now all 16 are out, and I've just finished as of a week ago writing the 17th episode, the script for the final one, which is trying to ask that question. All right, now we've described all these systems and these players, well, who's at the top or what's at the top?

Starting point is 01:04:22 And I've been really lucky because I interviewed David Icke, James Corbett, G. Edward Griffin, Adam Green, Mark Pascio, Larkin Rose, Richard Grove, Peter Dale Scott, who's another old school dude, and this professor, Richard Spence. I've interviewed them for this final episode and just trying to consider all of the topics like everything controversial, everything like basic and then super deep and provide whatever evidence may be there. And then also in the process, try to debunk bullshit if there is bullshit because I don't consider this series to be a conspiracy documentary. I consider it to be more like true crime because I've really like everything that's that I've reported on is at the pyramid of power.net. There's

Starting point is 01:05:01 a transcript with all the sources and links to every reference, every book, every document, et cetera, that I've referenced throughout it. And so I've been working really hard on the 17th one and then I finished it and then turned out to be four hours long. So we, me and my editor like spent the last week trying to cut it down and I got it down.

Starting point is 01:05:19 Like I cut out a lot, I trimmed the fat, but I left, you know, I'm gonna turn that into a book later so people wanna know like all the super nerdy stuff. But I took out about 45, not an hour out of lot. I trimmed the fat, but I left, you know, I'm going to turn that into a book later so people want to know like all the super nerdy stuff. But I took out about 45, not an hour out of it. So now it's going to be two hours and 45 minutes. And we just decided we're going to release this last episode in two pieces. And I cover, you know, what is the deep state? Black Rock, Vanguard, State Street, the World Economic Forum, the Club of Rome, the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, the Roundtable Groups, the Committee of 300, the Zionists, the Freemasons, the Jesuits, the Jesuit-Mason connection, the Venetian Black Nobility, the Illuminati, the

Starting point is 01:05:53 Dark Occultists, and the other worldly evil. And then I try to end with some solutions. So yeah, I mean, I bring in all these perspectives and man, again, what I was saying earlier about like some of my issues with the conspiracy community, for me, this has been a fun exercise because I'm rereading a bunch of old books that I read when I first woke up. But I don't know about you guys, but when I first started waking up, I consumed so much shit and it definitely wasn't all super credible. YouTube, early YouTube, you're just watching all kinds of documentaries.

Starting point is 01:06:21 But I think sometimes maybe in the waking up process, you're just reading, learning, watching all kinds of things. And we get ideas up here and we don't necessarily always have like firm beliefs like some of us do. But you know, sometimes you're just like, yeah, the Illuminati or somebody's running the world. I don't really 100% know, but I know there's something going on. And so this kind of gave me a chance to go like, look at a lot of my old research that I'd originally done. And like, do I still believe those things? Was that actually accurate? And then do a whole bunch of new research for myself, like reading, you know, proofs of a conspiracy and engineer core from hell, these foreign conspiracy against the US, these books written in like the 1700s, 1800s about the Jesuits, about the Masons, and then of course, about the Jews and trying to look at them in an

Starting point is 01:07:02 honest perspective and like, okay, this is what people claim and here's what we can actually prove. And here's what people claim and here's what it's based on. Take it, you know, for what it's worth. And yeah, it's been a really deep work. But like what I was kind of saying is those groups though, they're still just like at the level of the roundtable groups, which is what Carol Quigley was talking about in Tragedy and Hope with Cecil Rhodes and the Millner Group and forming this secret society that would have a public journal like the Council on Foreign Relations, Foreign Affairs, and would have a public facing group, but then really would just be the representation of the deeper inner circle group. And then of course, the question is, well, who's in the inner circle and who's at the

Starting point is 01:07:39 top of the inner circle, right? But yeah, it's been a journey trying to answer that question. Did you get there? I think I got somewhere. I mean, I think everybody will be disappointed in watching this episode because I won't point to their favorite, you know, people who like want me to say it's the Jews or it's the Masons, it's the Jesuits. Because one thing I have realized in this process is all of those groups are completely convinced they have the answer. And there's a lot of really, wow, there's amazing researchers out there and just regular

Starting point is 01:08:08 people who send me different things. And I mean, I went deep, like, I'm not afraid to read some random conspiracy blog. I probably read too many things, wasted too much time, but I'm like looking and scanning for like, okay, is there anything here? Okay, this is bullshit. This is just somebody's fake meme with a fake quote on it that doesn't actually lead to where they claim it does. But then other times, I'm like, okay, there's actually some deep shit here. And I would say the longest sections of the entire thing, because we're going to split it up right at the committee of 300. So then the part

Starting point is 01:08:37 two we'll pick up with the Zionists, the Jews, the Masons, Jesuits, et cetera. That's like the bulk of it. I wanted to do those topics justice and really went deep into what people claim. And it's interesting to me that the Zionists, the Jews, and the Freemasons, and the Jesuits have all been expelled from numerous different countries throughout history, like over the last 500 years or so. And largely for the same reasons, people are like, the Jews are getting too powerful, they're too influential, or the Masons are getting too powerful, or the Jesuits in the Catholic Church, you know, and so people start banning them, kicking them out, trying to get rid of secret societies.

Starting point is 01:09:09 Obviously, the Illuminati was, the original Bavarian Illuminati was banned as well. And so there have been conspiracies, like, like, there's really not much new, honestly, like, so much of this stuff was written 250 years ago. But then in our modern time, people are repeating things that they might not even understand, you know, what the origin is of it. And some of those origins aren't the best. Like, some of them are just like, for one example, like the protocols of the elders of Zion, right? That's like the alleged secret plan of the Jews for world domination.

Starting point is 01:09:38 And it's an interesting read. And a lot of it seems to be happening in our world, right? But there are definitely, I think, fair bits of evidence that show that it is a forgery. Doesn't mean there isn't a Jewish agenda, but that that particular document, I don't think that's like, you should hang your hat on it. And then at the same time, you've got another document that, it's just funny, there's multiple secret documents

Starting point is 01:09:58 that have been exposed in the 1800s, where people, one of them is this guy who claimed that he was a young Jesuit novitiate. He was early on, he says he went into the father's house trying to ask him a question, and he discovered a library and he starts looking through the library and there's three layers of books. And in the back, he finds this book

Starting point is 01:10:16 with all the confessions that the Jesuits have been collecting from different people around the world. And then he hears some people coming, so he hides in the other room. And it's a meeting of eight to 10 of the most powerful Jesuits meeting there. And he decides to take notes on everything they're saying. And then he takes it back. And then eventually they publish this book. This guy's name is Jacobo, Jacobo Leon, I believe if I'm remembering his name correctly. And that book is out there. It's one of the books that a lot of people

Starting point is 01:10:41 who blame things on the Jesuits would like say hey look see here's their secret plan There's multiple secret plans alleged about the Jesuits one Which is the secret oath where they have to allegedly hold the dagger to their chest and they say everything like I'll smash a baby's head against the wall like literally that's part of the thing and amongst other crazy things and just saying we'll do Whatever is called upon at the threat of being torn apart, you know Yeah, I'm with you. So what was that Julia Roberts TV show or movie? What was it? Yeah, you remember it was on Netflix and it was like big. It's like the last day or all. Oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah. The Obama funded movie. Yeah. Yeah. What was it called? Okay. I bring this up a lot, but there was a line in there I remember that the line that I leave the world behind

Starting point is 01:11:26 Yeah, leave the world behind and it was that line that that the I forget the actor's name It was the black black actor I forget what his name was the care, but he basically said that you know, he's a friend with a billionaire and You know the billionaire would always give him advice on life and one day calls billionaire and the billionaire is just shook and the billionaire basically says along the lines of like he realized who the runs the world and it's nobody and I go wow that that seems to be some kind of revelation of the method like why is that line in there? Why is that? What are they

Starting point is 01:12:06 trying to do? I definitely interviewed some people who feel that way as well. I will say that there's definitely like all the names I named, but then for example, I don't want to give away the answers, but like G. Edward Griffin, he says it's more of an ideology. James Corbett and Larkin Rose have their own thoughts on like the belief in authority and the world that we play. I think it was Richard Grove who said that there's no capstone, that he doesn't think there's a, you know, single top of it, that it's more like these interlocking groups who are, you know, nine times out of 10, they're going to agree on something over the people, but they still maybe have conflicts and factions and, you know, kind of their own ways. But ultimately, it's just like maybe one final ring as opposed to one single group. I mean, I guess that's a group, but as opposed to just being one person. And then, you know, kind of their own ways, but ultimately it's just like maybe one final ring as opposed to one single group.

Starting point is 01:12:46 I mean, I guess that's a group, but as opposed to just being one person. And then of course, Ike has his theories on other dimensional, you know, he talks about the reptiles and the answer and Mark Passio, he's an ex-Satanist who, you know, has a lot of... Very passionate guy, very passionate guy, Mark. Yeah, Mark's a crazy dude. He's a cool dude. I love Marc for his rawness.

Starting point is 01:13:07 But yeah, he talks about what he calls the dark occultist and his own theories on that. So there's definitely different people providing the answer, which I think does balance the thing out, right? Like again, I'm not approaching it from just being some like old school conspiracy documentary. Of course, some people would just dismiss this all as conspiracy, but everything in there is something I can at least point to a document, point to a reference and say, hey, here's where this comes from.

Starting point is 01:13:30 You decide if you think it's true, right? And if you do, then great. You know, you believe it's the Jews, you believe it's the Jesuits, whatever. I think it's probably more like, like if I had to point to those top, and then there's also the Venetian black nobility. I think that, or just the black nobility,

Starting point is 01:13:44 I think that's a big part of it as well, which is just like these old, you know, houses, the old royalty that have kind of drifted into the shadows that most of us don't think about, but they still hold a lot of the land across Europe and a lot of the wealth. And yeah, so there's writers who talk about the black nobility of Venice and Italy. And then of course this intersects with the organized crime and how that kind of, they went into England with the inner city of London, financial district, et cetera. And so you've got like the houses in the Netherlands and Greece, the UK of course, and a few other nations

Starting point is 01:14:16 that people kind of point to as like those families. And then some names that are, you know these aren't necessarily the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, of course a lot of people do still think the houses of Rothschild in France and elsewhere are up there. But a lot of them are these like Italian families that none of us would necessarily know deeply or recognize if we heard them.

Starting point is 01:14:34 And I do think there's probably some truth to that. And then of course, obviously, the secret society element is a whole nother component. I mean, if I wanted to make this like a 10-hour documentary, which was not my goal, I could have kept going and I probably even went a little too deep. That's why we're splitting it off. But I'm hoping that people who are super into this idea, they can watch the original series. And again, it's mostly, I'd say 70% of them are 30 minutes or less. There's a few that are 45 minutes. So by the time you get to this last episode, you're pretty excited about, okay, where's this going?

Starting point is 01:15:05 So the other cool thing I just want to mention is the entire series was completely crowdfunded over the last five years. I've raised about, I'd say like $50,000 and it's all gone to my editor. I haven't got paid for any of it yet. I do all the research, I write all the scripts and I record the audio narration. And then I send it over to just a couple of amazing editors I've been able to work with and they make it really shine and pop and just done some just incredible visuals. So we're actually still doing crowdfunding right now. If anybody wants to support it, we're just like I said, finishing this final episode.

Starting point is 01:15:34 And now my part is thankfully about to be done as soon as I finish with the audio and then hopefully we'll have it out by July. But it's been really cool. People have been telling me that they have used it to homeschool their kids. Like they make them watch an episode and then do report on it. I've had somebody tell me they were like a substitute teacher at some school and they played it for their students. They played on the episodes. And then somebody told me like, Oh, I'm sharing it with my 18 year old son. He loves it. I'm sharing it with my 15 year old. Like this was to me, like the kind of thing that if I was just waking up, this is the quality of documentary I would want to watch. You know, that's basically sharing it with my 15 year old. This was to me, the kind of thing that if I was just waking up, this is the quality of documentary I would want to watch.

Starting point is 01:16:07 That's basically what it is for me. So I very much made it in mind of this is a tool. I guess it's entertainment in a way and I get that, but I put a lot of effort and love into this and I want people to use it as that tool. If you can convince a family member to just watch a 30 minute episode, then maybe they watch the first one.

Starting point is 01:16:24 And the whole idea was like, it's bingeables for the Netflix generation. The idea is like, okay, if I can suck them in with one, then maybe they just keep going, right? And by the end of it, their whole minds blown. At least they're asking questions, right? I love it, dude. Where can we crowdfund it? So at right there, the consciousresistance.com, there's a banner on top that if you click that, it'll take you straight to the fundraiser page. And I'm actually doing that one is... So yeah, we've actually people donated while we've been doing this.

Starting point is 01:16:51 Cool. So we have that if people want to do like Fiat, but also if you check that info, there's another fundraising campaign if people want to do like Monero for a little more private, it's through a website called Kuno. It's right there in the description. But yeah, people can just check that out. I mean, of course, any support is always welcome. It's been just a huge honor, like to look at the comments and the way the things people share. It's very humbling for me, because as I said, this has mostly been a labor of love. But now that we're about to be done,

Starting point is 01:17:18 my goal is to take all the scripts and we're going to do some editing to make them more formatted for a book and then turn this, they create the pyramid of power companion book, which is going to have the full final episode without any of the cuts that I made. So it'll have like extra nerdy details for people who want to go down those rabbit holes. And then we're going to turn the whole series into some DVDs for people who want to do that. And then USB drives because I also have like three hours of bonus material from all the interviews I did. Obviously, like, you know, we're just using like one to two minute clips of each guest

Starting point is 01:17:49 answer. But I've got, you know, an hour plus with David Icke, an hour plus with G.E.B.R. Griffin, etc. that I just haven't released at all. So those are going to be included when we get to that point after this summer of releasing like here's the full on collection. And I think this is probably going to be a project I promote for the rest of my life for sure, because it's just, it's meant to be an evergreen.

Starting point is 01:18:08 Like, you know, there's nothing in this that'll really age it in five years. You know, it's, I just wrote it in a way that's not hyper, you know, focused on things happening right now, but more just the bigger picture. Yeah, and I think it's important because people can get lost in, you know,

Starting point is 01:18:24 I feel like Jews are low hanging fruit. I think there is a lot of content creators out there that get pushed out because they push this narrative, which is, you know, it's the Jews because, you know, there is an aspect of spirituality to this. There is an aspect of, you know, like, for me, like, a big argument for God is the devil, is Satan, is the darkness. And, you know, the duality of life, if there's a bunch of people buying into this dark realm, there has to be the opposite of that, which is, you know, love and all that stuff. And these people really push it. And we just seeing it right now where it's so out in front of everybody so much.

Starting point is 01:19:13 And it makes me skeptical of like how much the Jewish question as people like to call it is going in that direction. Like, and obviously like there's Zionist influence, Jewish influence, absolutely. And in fact, in each of those sections I go through, I'm like, okay, here's all the people institutions we mentioned, how many of them are Jews? How many of them are Jesuits? How many of them are Masons?

Starting point is 01:19:33 Just to kind of like, let's just do a rough count, right? And yeah, there's definitely a high proportion of people of Jewish ancestry who are representing these different positions. But I definitely think it just plays too well into the antisemitism stuff, right? It's like, okay, have everybody blame everything on the Jews and then justify the push to, well, this is why we got to have censorship or this is why we got to start rounding up college students or whatever, because anti-Semitism is growing so quickly. And yeah, it's something feels off to me.

Starting point is 01:20:01 But you also get into like, what do they say versus what they do? Like, it's easy to say Jeffrey Epstein Jew, right? It's very easy to say that because that's the presentation. But like, when you go deeper, there's all this occult symbolism with him. Uh, and what he, we know the blue and the white and the stripes and the owls and, and all that stuff that lets me think it's way deeper than that. It's way deeper. Like they have to wear those masks to walk amongst us. They have to say I'm Jewish because for the longest time that was a protected class. But are they really that are they really, are they really do pushing this stuff? Or is like even Kabbalahs and the mysticism is that darker? Is there, is there, is that darker set the Talmud is that like when you see

Starting point is 01:20:53 Talmud, the oral oral history of the rabbis, once you see the Babylonian, excuse me, Babylonian oral history of the rabbis, that Babylonian right there, that takes me to a whole nother place is much deeper old gods that these guys are are are worshiping you know a Mecca when Jay Dyer who we just interviewed which we're gonna put out after this episode you know when we interviewed him you know he opened my eyes to the first like the first king of the House of Sod was a British spy. Like they go around a black cube. Where's that in Abrahamic faith? Yeah, there's definitely something else going on. I mean, I did interview Adam Green of No More News and he's hyper focused on the

Starting point is 01:21:39 Zionists, the Jewish angle, but even he was like to blame it all on all Jews is just too simplistic. But he definitely is like to him, it is this Judeo Abrahamic religion and all the kind of connections in the Psyops around that, that he thinks are sort of, you know, he would place that at the top. And I do think there's some element of that because these, a lot of these people who parade around as Christians or Muslims or whatever else in front of the public clearly are into some other sort of stuff. And they might believe that they have a lineage that they trace back to Babylonian

Starting point is 01:22:10 times or to the ancient Greek mystery cults or things of that sort. And obviously, we're aware of that. What I've found in my own research, and I know that there's way many more people who are probably more versed than I am, but I feel like I got a pretty good handle on it even more than I did just a couple of months ago. I don't think anybody can 100% for certain, and I'd be happy to be proven wrong, feel free to reach out to me, can say that those cults are like that we can draw a straight line from them in the past to what's happening now. Obviously, these people are influenced by them, but I don't think we can necessarily, you know, people talk about the idea of this being beyond the spiritual level,

Starting point is 01:22:48 which I do agree with you, Sam, is a big part of it. But outside of the spiritual kind of just an evil that's been around for a long time that's now manifesting these current ways, I don't think there is a straight lineage that you can draw that shows the Knights Templar directly to this group, to this group, to this group, to this group, to like, you know, like, like you can trace the popes, for example. There's definitely Freemason lodges that are inspired by the Rosicrucians or inspired by, you know, different groups of the past or the Illuminati or people who claim that. But in my view and in my perspective and the research I've done, it seems a lot like it

Starting point is 01:23:21 seems like we have to speculate a little bit on that part. Probably so, maybe inspired, but I don't think there's a direct lineage that we can actually trace from thousands or 10,000 of years, especially, that has existed. I mean, I could be wrong. And if it did exist, maybe we wouldn't even be able to prove it. One of my guests in the series says something similar.

Starting point is 01:23:41 And he kind of says, who's at the top? Well, why would they even have a name? Why would you need a name? Maybe there's no name and it's just people who know that they have that influence and power and sure they get together every now and then they do weird shit, but they don't necessarily call themselves anything. They just have the awareness that we run shit. Yeah. I'm not against it. Uh, let's, let's get into something real quick. You know, a big thing again, early on, we've talked about getting out of the system, but you have solutions, namely exit and build strategy.

Starting point is 01:24:10 We kind of talked about last time you're on, but tell us a little bit more about that. Yeah, I appreciate that brother. So I mean, this is, this is coming from my book, how to opt out the technocratic state. I don't know if I mentioned this, but I did write it in 2020, but then in 2022, 23, after a couple of years of COVID, I updated it. I wrote, I put a second edition out, which has five new post COVID chapters all about travel restrictions and vaccine passports and how to navigate all that. And in the book, I talk about this idea that we have three basic strategies of what things come down to. I mean, this is of course simplifying it. But one would be apathy is death. Like you see the world's fucked up, you see its head in a bad place, and you just simply choose to do nothing. You know, you just watch podcasts

Starting point is 01:24:53 for the rest of your life. And then, you know, next thing, oh, here it is. I knew it was coming. I didn't do anything. I think that leads to a physical and a spiritual death to see what's coming and to choose to do nothing. Then another option I wrote was what I just called hold down the fort, right? So if you are a person that's like, I'm committed to where I live right now, it's hometown, it's where I'm born and raised, whatever, I'm going to die here, this kind of thing, then hold down the fort.

Starting point is 01:25:16 Start building freedom in your current location and get connected with other people. Build local community, find solutions. I have a bunch of different ideas on that. The other one is exit real quick The reason I think that's super important So I just don't want you to move on here point But the reason I think that's super important is this thing that I've kind of said, you know You have the globalist then you have the nationalist

Starting point is 01:25:39 I'm more of a localist like what in a local level we could do I I believe how that's how you make change by seeing the example to other people. Like whether it's your show, my show, Whitney Webb show, even, you know, Joe Rogan show, it's probably done more work than a lot of people have. And just because of the mass reach that the guy has. And like, again, we talked about in the last show, it's coming out, but it's like, I've had people who were like totally against conspiracies coming up to me and telling me you were right about everything. And I love hearing that because

Starting point is 01:26:15 I love them. You know, so whatever we're doing is working and we are doing it through example. You know, you build it. Exactly. That it can be done. I think real, you know, you brought up earlier, apathy is death. The notion that it can't happen to you, it just will never happen to you is, is, is the real black pill, right? Like that is the black pill, not on a conspiracy level, which I do find it funny that conspiracy is still a taboo word, because all you're saying is two people conspired. I mean, that's the most basic of it all. Well, we know that's a CIA work to make conspiracy theory, you know, this. Right. And then black pill is the conspiracy term for conspiracy.

Starting point is 01:27:03 That's how they got it. It sure feels like it. Yeah, and Sam, you're talking about the importance of local there, I'll just stop there before I go on. Because I do think the only way in my limited 40 years on this planet that it seems like humans actually learn is through example. Like, you know, we can talk all kinds of theory and ideas and abstract,

Starting point is 01:27:21 and maybe some people's minds work that way and they can grasp concepts, but for the most part, people have to see something to really believe it. Like, oh my god, I didn't think that was possible, but this person's doing it. Maybe now I can do that, right? And I think that's just, that's the way I've strived to move with my activism and with my work in general. And I really want to stress like what you were saying there, the importance about being connected locally, because I've seen this for years. I mean, I've worked with a lot of different people, big names, big followings, and connected in person

Starting point is 01:27:48 and become friends. And what I've realized is that many of them have no connection to their local community. Like they might have millions of followers online, but if they were to walk around their hometown, for example, nobody has any idea who they are, because they've never been involved in their community in any way.

Starting point is 01:28:01 They never, I'm not even saying being politically or anything like that, but I spend, I guess the reason that is a big part of my background is because the first five or six years of my work were before it kind of moved more towards journalism was very much from the activist background. So I was doing urban farming, building community farms and urban gardens in the fifth ward of Houston in the poorest neighborhoods where there's food deserts and no groceries around, no organic food, et cetera, and building community gardens and doing just different forms of activism, skill shares where we would, we had an activist house that I lived in for about six years and it was me and a couple other guys and we'd have concerts there, we'd

Starting point is 01:28:37 had art shows, we've had skill shares teaching people how to bake their own bread, how to make their own soup, make their own soap, how to grow some food and then doing garden stuff, just all kinds of different things. And it was, oh, and then protests, all the usual stuff. But it was always geared to like, how can we activate people? How can we motivate people to do something? Okay, the problems are big, but what are we actually going to do here to try to be as least dependent on these systems as possible? So that was kind of already in my blood prior to really, you know, getting really deep into this work. And so that's why I say like, hold down the fort.

Starting point is 01:29:08 Like if you're the kind of person you're like, no, I don't want to leave, then maybe you should start thinking about what you can do to preserve freedom and privacy and the things you care about in the area that you're so committed to, instead of just watching it get worse. And then the other thing is this is where exit and build comes in because it's exit and build

Starting point is 01:29:24 is both physical location, but it's also more practical practical and I'll talk about that in a second. But let's say you were in a place during COVID where it was total mask Nazis and shut down and can't go anywhere in a grocery store without PCR, just all the nonsense, right? Maybe after that you're thinking, I don't want to live here anymore, but two towns over, they were way more chill. It's a little conservative of an area or whatever, or maybe the state over was more free. Like a lot of people went from California to Texas, of course, people went to Idaho,

Starting point is 01:29:50 went to Florida, stuff like that. That's exit and build. I mean, that's just people saying, I'm gonna exit from this place because I don't think it's conducive to privacy and liberty in the longterm. It seems like there might be somewhere else, some greener pastures.

Starting point is 01:30:02 So you build, you exit somewhere else and then build your new life there. And again, then it's still important once you get to that new place to hold down the fort and get involved in different ways. But also exit and build is about trying to exit from different systems that I think in the long term and I believe this is being proven more true every day, are going to lead to this technocratic surveillance state we're talking about, So if you keep your money strictly in the banking system, whether it's a CBDC or the stablecoin route that they seem to be doing in the US, eventually you're going to get to a point where they do try to digitize your money even further than it is. And along

Starting point is 01:30:38 with that, along with programmable money, we know that they can easier debank people. They already did it during COVID with PayPal and Patreon, but also the Canadian trucker stuff and shutting people's accounts down. It'll be much easier once we have the real ID, digital ID, and everything's all plugged in. So then in my view, the idea would be start making plans now of how not to be dependent on those systems. And of course, that's not easy, because we are all born into this world that they

Starting point is 01:31:04 have already constructed, which says like, you got to have a driver's license, you got to have this thing, you got to do this and to operate within that system. There's already certain parameters you have to move in, right? You got to have a credit score if you're going to rent if you buy a house or do things like that. And if you don't have that, you're basically nobody. So my focus is really on how to like look at the technological side of things. Like I know you guys talked to my buddy Hakeem Anwar a while back, like Hakeem is my tech guy, you know, when it comes to phones and operating systems. And yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 01:31:30 Above phone and different tech sides, right? So we start thinking like, all right, I can exit from, you know, big tech and switch my laptop over to Linux. I can exit from the big cell phone providers and use above phone. Like start thinking in those terms. And I try to think holistically about it. I look at the financial side, the technology side, healthcare. Of course, things like land I think are important. Not saying you have to be a farmer, but having maybe something to protect and defend and

Starting point is 01:31:55 build on. Just looking at these different areas of your life and seeing where you're currently dependent or where you have weaknesses. If you've got $30,000 of student loan debt or credit card debt, etc., those things can hurt you in the long term, especially as we move further into these digital systems, you might want to start coming up with a plan to, to approach that and to become free in that way. And then maybe you switch from the big bank to the local credit union, and then maybe you start trying out Monero or something, you know, when it comes to crypto, like, there's different solutions than that we have. There are so many things we can actually do. But of course, it takes time, it takes money, it takes energy. And in my book, I call this the freedom formula, which is basically, you take your desired level of freedom, which is going to be different by person and by family, but really think about like, what if I don't want their 2030, what does my 2030 look like? For me, that's getting land, building a community with other like-minded people, growing food. And this has been a dream of mine. Well, we

Starting point is 01:32:49 just paid off our land in January here in Mexico. We're starting to build our shelter. I'm making progress on that goal. I'm living as an example of that. So put your thoughts into what you actually want in 2030. What does that look like? It doesn't have to be my dream, whatever yours is. And then start practically thinking, well, what is it going to take to get there? What are the steps I need to do to be debt-free? What are the steps I need to take to go switch from Bank of America or Chase Bank, who helped Jeffrey Epstein launder his money, to a local credit union? Think about it as practically as possible.

Starting point is 01:33:18 And in fact, I put together a free challenge that people can check out at the conscious resistance.com slash e xb, just the letters e xb. It's called the 45 day exit and build challenge. I did it right around the election kind of leading up to the election. And my goal then was to say, Hey, if you want to vote, that's fine. But try this practice and see if you actually gain value. And so it's basically like a once a week video, you start with food, and we go to technology, et cetera. And I encourage people to take it

Starting point is 01:33:47 because even if you do take it seriously, I think you will see, you'll learn something about yourself first of all, but I think you'll also get a clear vision of what you actually want. Now, whether you follow through with it or not is all up to you, but I made it as simple as possible

Starting point is 01:34:00 where you just watch the short video, I explain how exit and build relates to food, relates to money, et cetera. And then we give you different homework and resources to kind of do over the following seven days and then you come back. So it's like a seven-week thing. If people want to check that out, theconsciousresistance.com slash EXB. And I've got a bunch of presentations on my website about it too, if people want to learn more. But yeah, I mean, nothing in there that I discuss is anything that I'm not doing myself. These are all things that I'm practicing and navigating and learning because again, we're

Starting point is 01:34:30 in an imperfect system. So it's not easy. It's not easy to be a person who chooses to not use banks. It's not easy to be a person to not talk to certain agencies and how to navigate that, how to have a business, how to survive and thrive in this world that you don't really want to thrive and survive in. So instead, I'm trying to put my energy into working with people like Hakim and others who are focused on building these new systems. What's your thoughts on precious metals? I support precious metals for sure. I mean, I've got goldbacks here. I've got some silver.

Starting point is 01:35:02 I mean, I'm honest. I'm not like a maxi on anything, right? I'm a freedom maxi, right? So I started using Bitcoin in 2012. I think most of the Bitcoin space is kind of hijacked at this point and focused on just getting rich and not using it as a currency. I still support Monero because it's functional, it's private. I use goldbacks, I use silver. I think seeds is a great currency as well.

Starting point is 01:35:23 Having those stored up, having skills, that's the other thing too, is like if you don't have a lot of money and time to invest in other things, you can kind of invest in yourself, right? And try to level yourself up. So I think all of those are great strategies. I definitely wouldn't say shy away from one, probably do all of the above. I'd like to interview you quick 15 minute interview on my financial podcast one time Pre-recorded we'll drop it into the episode of just like yeah

Starting point is 01:35:50 How to get your own system going press metals and all that stuff. So I'll try to set that up with you Yeah, man was a great episode. You're well-spoken. You're a good dude, and I appreciate you You know you're doing great work. What is the name of your media organization and the guys you're working with again? So the Independent Media Alliance and that is myself, Ryan, Christian, The Last American Vagabond, Whitney, Whitney Webb, of course. I don't want to try to list everybody's names because I'll forget, but we are actually working with the Odyssey Video Platform.

Starting point is 01:36:24 They're basically building us out like this kind of portal that is going to be the home on their website for all the independent media line stuff. Yeah, there's the challenge there. So yeah, we're going to be continuing to work and just try to put these ideas out there. And people are interested in that.

Starting point is 01:36:39 Just stay tuned. We don't have the website up yet, but that'll be out soon. And then the pyramid of power.net, if you want to go watch the whole series before the but that'll be out soon. And then pyramid, the pyramid of power.net. If you want to go watch the whole series before the 17th episode comes out and then yeah, check out my website, the books, the challenge and everything else, man. I appreciate you guys having me

Starting point is 01:36:52 on brother. We'll have you we'll have the link at the top of the description so everyone can click it and we'll we'll push all everything you got going on. Derek, it's always a pleasure. Thank you for coming on our weirdo show. We always appreciate people like you dude Not just talking about but actually like walking talking to talk and walking the walk I think it's very important people like us, you know, I'm thinking about getting out of LA all the time

Starting point is 01:37:17 I gotta figure out where I want to bring my kids and all that stuff So very interesting things was great to talk to you and we appreciate you coming on let's break down the episode all right what'd you guys think what'd you think Xavier oh we're already we're going oh my bad it was start that over I was you're off we're too much we're still fucking working on this out okay this out yeah Derek bros. You know, he's one of the real Gs out there. He's a hard worker, he's a hustler. I kind of brought up something I didn't mean.

Starting point is 01:37:51 I think he, I was talking about him, but you know, because he had that lively debate with Ian Carroll. Derrick Brode's did? Yeah. Oh, I haven't seen that. Because he doesn't talk, because Ian Carroll doesn't talk about

Starting point is 01:38:11 Peter Thiel at all and I don't even see in Carol on rumble. Did he ask him about it? Well, there was like why aren't you talking about this guy? What does he say? And he goes on and Ian Carroll's whole thing is like I'm new to all of this. I'm like, I'm I'm learning as I go I yeah, I I mean we've had him in the, he came in the studio right? Yeah my whole thing is like I come from a comedy world At first I've always been a conspiracy theorist But in terms of content creating eight years in internet years is forever, but in life, it's not that long and You know, I've just seen it's all energy did I'll do to you every podcasting since 2012 punch drunk was 2012 Yeah, I'm sure you were doing it before that little weren't you with not jumping on other people's but yeah punch drunk was the first one

Starting point is 01:39:12 12 years. Yeah, so 13 almost so 13 years I've seen different people blow up and I've seen people go why did they just blow up and I go it's all energy It's like you and I talk about all time You know, I call I call it the Elvis energy you call it to the Hitler factor Yeah, the Hitler factor some people have some people don't I I just to be honest with you I don't think that's my thing like I have just weird energy and You know so it's just it is what it is. I can't get upset with it I just got to accept it for what it is. And, you know, but Derek Rose is a really great,

Starting point is 01:39:46 I just want, if he does listen to the part, I just want him to know that I didn't bring that up, but I just wanted to bring up about how like the conspiracy space loves to eat each other up because they don't necessarily 100% believe 100% of what you believe. So I just think it's counterproductive. If we believe at the basis that the government's

Starting point is 01:40:11 behind 9-11, then that we should all get along. We could have different views on how it was done and who was involved, but the basis is all the same. Completely agree. So that's my opinion. I'm very jealous of Derrick Broves in terms of the life he's living, the stuff he's doing. You know, so that's my opinion. I'm very jealous of Derek Broves in terms of the life he's living, the stuff he's doing. It's a lot of work. You heard you heard him say he said he has seeds. He just got them paying for his land. Well, he said seeds

Starting point is 01:40:35 is a cryptocurrency, but he is growing his own food. And he means like seeds like mangoes and like to grow plants, right? Johnny Craig man, wrong, but he said seeds when he was talking about great cryptos. I don't know. When he started listing all the cryptos, one of them, he goes in his new one seeds. I could be wrong. Oh, I don't know if that was a joke. Was he joking?

Starting point is 01:40:59 No, I think you look up if there's seeds crypto, maybe I'm retarded Yeah, either one of us are retarded because I think it's like see that you plan something called Seeds is the first eco-friendly crypto currency that aligns money with values. Yeah, so that's why he's talking about I believe Great episode man. I like I know we did want to give away who he thought was the top of the power of the pyramid but he also said people may not people love the series they may not be happy because it might not be one guy and I understand that I don't know if there's one guy who runs everything yeah well I like you know when he said that I thought I thought of it as kind of like the five families coming together you know and organized crime in New York.

Starting point is 01:41:45 You know, you'd had like the five families of the mafia. And I could see it being like that, where they kind of have their own turf that they scrap over, and those are the battle lines. And they work together when it's convenient, and then they go to war over turf. And then sometimes there's this third party, the government, that is like, them, which I guess that would be us really in that case, trying to hold them accountable. And then above them all is probably the spiritual stuff, God and evil. Satan, yeah.

Starting point is 01:42:16 Yeah, it was a great episode, man. He's a professional. If you were no kids, how off the grid would you be? No kids, no baby mama, would you be out there? I would be in LA right now if I didn't have kids. You wouldn't be in LA the grid would you be? No kids, no baby mama. Would you be out there? I would be in LA right now if I didn't have kids. You wouldn't be in LA? You would guarantee that? No, where I would be I don't know. I can't move to Mexico. I don't speak Spanish.

Starting point is 01:42:33 What would you do if you had to flee? I mean, would you go back to your family you think first? If you had to flee short notice, get out of here. Where would you go back to your family you think first? Like if you had to flee like short notice, get out of here, where would you go? Okay, so if I don't go to Austin, and the only reason I go to Austin is because comedy, the comedy that I do flourishes there, I would move either to Phoenix, Arizona or Buffalo, New York. Not worried about Phoenix, we've been so close to the border, no water.

Starting point is 01:43:03 Well I just have so much family there. I would move into the neighborhood. Nice city, though. Beautiful. I love the dead. I love the people there, but I would move where my family is. I like Palm Springs, dude. I love going out there.

Starting point is 01:43:15 Like Derek was talking about, the minute he turned 18, he moved. That was me. And I don't have a lot of regrets. One of them is that I left my mother so quickly. My dad wanted me out, but my mom didn't want me to leave. It's tough. What, he's okay? Well, but now, in times of now, if you had a kid,

Starting point is 01:43:31 would you want him to leave as soon as he turns 18 or gather up some money? Well, the thing about me was that I lived in a small town in upstate New York. There wasn't a lot of opportunity there. Now, like a big reason I want to move to Austin or like if money was no issue money's no issue it's San Diego right because it's like I think they're living the best life something about San Diego to me it's just a little soulless or something I

Starting point is 01:43:56 don't know I love saying a lot of time there now like I did I guys I'm older than you I'm over the action like I did it no I said look it's just like last night's that Tom's thing they're like you're gonna go they have to pry I'm older than you. I'm over the action Like I did it. No, it's a little like last time's that Tom's thing. They're like you're gonna go to the after-party I'm like no, I'm old and sober. I'm going home. I believe he's like I'm old sober But I'm like you're cool and still in the game like I am done like dude. I tweaked I I did it I did everything I did it for days in a row. I've my cup runneth over. Okay, I'm good. I just want to chill You know, that's really it So I just want to go somewhere where the weather isn't bad and I don't mind super heat He doesn't bother me like I can say yeah what qualifies as bad weather when it's 120 degrees

Starting point is 01:44:40 Yeah, I lived in Vegas forever and I loved it Yeah, but I hate when people complain about the heat he's's gonna be in a car, in a studio, in his house, in a gym. I mean, I want to move to Austin. They say that's unrelenting heat. Well, that's yeah, you get the humidity there. So yeah, Arizona does have humidity, but you know if I if it wasn't about comedy and I said wrap it up call it a day. I would head to one of those places. But it's looking like Austin.

Starting point is 01:45:10 All my boys are running it and I don't know if I necessarily... No state income tax? But I also don't know, I'm not going to go in there and be right in the mix. I don't know, I want that anymore. I just want to go on my friend's podcast, talk some shit. I want that anymore. I just want to like go on my friends podcast talk some shit I want to be able to just walk out, you know my Boils down to this I would like to be able to walk outside and piss and nobody sees me You know what I mean? Oh, I respect that. I want my daughters to be able to go outside

Starting point is 01:45:37 They just sit indoors all day because all the weirdos not my Most my neighbors along with you know, even the ones that were driving me crazy for a while, we're cool now, but my kids don't go outside. Go outside, do something, live some life, talk to some people. And dude, do you remember, I mean, growing up, I'm probably the last generation,

Starting point is 01:46:00 maybe you too, actually, I don't know, where that was like, you know, you got kicked out at the beginning of the day and then you didn't come back until it started to get dark. It's going to be weird how we handle my autistic daughter because she can't say where to go home. That's the only problem I have, you know, and she's going to want to go outside soon. She's a little, she's a little, she's just a juggernaut, dude. Just keep a little air tag on her, you know? I don't know how to do it, but they need to be able to go outside. They need to go do stuff.

Starting point is 01:46:35 Have a yard. That's it. But autistic kids are also like creatures of habit. Like I have a cousin who's autistic and he just wants to sit in his room all day. Okay, you wanna do that, that's fine. But someone wants to sit in his room all day. Okay. You want to do that? That's fine. But someone needs to get out of the house, move the body because I'm parenting all the time.

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Starting point is 01:48:33 Uh, all the guys on the show, you get that, we answer every question. So you put it in there. Uh, how he's great with the financial stuff. Sam can talk to you about, you know, life lessons and that kind of thing. Yeah, it's just a great show. It's a combination. Howie's a little bit farther on the other side of the spectrum. It's a fun conversation. And again, you're investing, so nothing's guaranteed. But you know, last year, Howie did better than the, what the S&P, is that

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Starting point is 01:52:15 Check out the new broken sin. It's out there at broken sim on Twitter to check us out. Alright guys, enjoy these highlights Here's a clip from the latest broken sim. I want to get into, uh, I want to kind of follow up, uh, that we got the Sharon sharp story that's coming out. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And again, here we are. Closeted gay black men.

Starting point is 01:52:35 Do you really think he's closet again? I think he's bisexual. I don't at the least. I, I, I just personally don't think that straight guys Dress like that Tight a clothes all the black guys do know I just for me. I just don't I just think there's a little bit of a Sugar-in-the-tank, you know I'm saying that's just all I'm saying and he's super shiny. Is this the girl? Yes, oh damn and she was she was like, okay, you're paying for each cheek, right? Oh damn dude. So, so there's a bunch of stuff going on with this. Shannon Sharp, he was on

Starting point is 01:53:14 a Fox, he was on ESPN, then he went to Fox Sports. Yeah, if you don't know, he was an NFL star too. He was, he was, he was with the Denver Broncos. This isn't sports talk guys. Calm down. Um, but he's Skip Bayless they're going at it. Nobody's watching the show, but everyone just yells him and you know, it's like a horsemouth versus gay magician. He does fight all the time and um, And everybody at fox sports is just banging, sexually harassing everybody. If you just, for context, here's Skip Bayless and him, oh god, they're going to show us now. They had like a falling out on air, which, and now their whole shtick was to argue.

Starting point is 01:53:56 Well, that's talk shows now. But they had- It's so fake, some of the arguments, they're like pre-written. This one's not even real though. Let's see if this way way can get to the actual footage And not just build a talking about it. Yeah, here we go All right This is just straight hate by a guy who's jealous that he is still playing at a high level at 45 when you had to

Starting point is 01:54:14 Stop at 35. That's what you that's the point. That's what you do every time somebody I call something in question I'm jealous. No, I did why never said you were jealous of Baker Mayfield. I did what I did you make it seem like I was a bum. I'm in the F and Hall of Fame He's way better than you were oh Anyway, so yeah that he took that personally and then they kind of yeah. Well, it's like it's Skip Bayless is like a lot of comics like they all think they're tough guys because they're they, they, they, they, they, they're, they know black people. Yeah. No, they're they think they're tough guys because like they did to tonight. They, they mistake what

Starting point is 01:54:55 they do on the stage for, for being a tough guy. Now I don't think I'm a tough guy. I, I don't, I mean, I got to grow up, but, but it's like skip Bayless would do one punch from this guy skip Bayless the the Queen would just be knocked out of him but again so anyways obliterate that whole thing goes on um what's her face Joy Taylor whose nephew just got drafted today was Jason Taylor's kid which is that's always sign you're getting old when the guys you watch when you were young their kids are getting drafted disturbing so anyways so so now

Starting point is 01:55:31 Everyone in the in the space in particular I think Shaquille O'Neal has been eluding allegedly that he's a little he's got sugar in his tank Right that Shannon sharp does yeah Shannon sharps got sugar in his tank cuz you know That Shannon Sharp does? Yeah, Shannon Sharp's got sugar in his tank, because it's all content, click shit. That's the new world we live in, right? So then this thing comes out where he accidentally, he accidentally live streams him having sex, you could hear it, but you couldn't see it.

Starting point is 01:56:01 Yes, yeah. And you just hear a girl going, ah, ah, and he's like, marble mouth mouth marble mouth sex talk, right? So so that happens and then this comes out And it's it's he's he's 50 something What it is I don't know what that I guess that is a thing on Twitter though, huh? Yeah, so so anyways it comes out that he's involved with this 20 year old only fans 20 years old Okay, so so then it comes out that they met in

Starting point is 01:56:40 2002 Which everyone's going? Oh, that's three years. So that puts her at 17. 2022. Yeah, but if you look at the timeline in which he says he met, it was at the end of 2022 and he broke up with her at the beginning of 2025. So it's technically two years, which puts her at 18.

Starting point is 01:57:00 Not saying it's okay for 52 year old, but every one of us would do the exact same thing. We knocked about there's consent there who cares? Okay? Yeah No, here's anything. I say you're just gonna like get mad at and you're just gonna hang up on me. So I feel like I'm not gonna look on you What is it? What what does that even mean? You want to be addicted to me now so. I don't want to be don't manipulate me. See this is all talk. Cause she knows she's recording. I'm going to **** out of you when I see you. Now okay so he just said I'm going to **** out of you when I see you. Now they have he's

Starting point is 01:57:41 released this and they have a long history of This is my tweet. I put BDSM is going to be the downfall of rich men. Yeah Only broke dudes can choke chicks in the bedroom Cuz any dude you take an excerpt of any Conversation in the middle and you you take out the part where hey we're starting to sext and hey that was good sexting And you just pulled the middle part out It's like oh you're gonna beat the shit. This is the same story of Trevor Bauer This is the same story that Dallas cowboy

Starting point is 01:58:11 Yeah The girl was like put me handcuffs smack the show me as hard as you can and he recorded it And she went right to the cops and said he s ate her. Yeah. Yeah. If you are rich Johnny, let's put a number on rich 70 grand a year. What is the number rich? What's a number rich? No. Well, I mean, what do you got? It's like 30,000, but in this country is probably, I mean in LA it's like 200 grand, 300 grand, 300 grand, 300 grand, 300 grand is rich in LA. Okay. I guess if you are two hundred grand three hundred grand You can't choke chicks

Starting point is 01:58:48 You can't do it What the chicks are rich though, it doesn't matter doesn't matter cuz rich chicks want to be more rich That's a good point, right? You're know you're that's a great option and then Shannon sharp played probably not when the number or are what they are today But at the time nobody's making bank Right making bank now, right? So so now here's where we get into why he's a scumbag. Okay is because supposedly He put it in her ass without condom. That's the part that is the end the right they're getting him on. Yeah, right

Starting point is 01:59:22 Okay, we're not right Johnny would we hear I'm broken sim make an official official Statement saying we don't think that's right without consent without consent. Absolutely, but the question becomes with consent questionable still Well, well, the question is were they raw dogging all the other times? Like is he paying is he is he hooking up with the only fans model wearing a condom? Or is he raw dogging all the time in this one time? She's like, no, don't put in my ass without a condom. Is that the only time?

Starting point is 01:59:58 But the whole point of this is is like here we are again where where a girl is like beat the shit out of me and then turn around and going, Hey man, give me this money. And he supposedly offered her $10 million. Wow. And she didn't take it. She must be making a nice little check. Well, she is now because that's a new business model, right? Yeah. The girl did it to Alex Pereira. Yes. Choooked up with him, cues him a essay and just gets all the subs. Now TMZ is reported yesterday that he had a BDSM. If you'd like to hear the rest of this episode, subscribe to Broken Simulation in your podcasting

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