Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #897: The Myth Of HIV/AIDS With Rebecca Culshaw Smith

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Starting point is 00:01:18 How are you, how are you? I was so happy I got your name right and I called you, too. I'm doing great, how are you? We're doing great. Thank you so much for joining us. We're very excited to talk to you. These are some of my favorite topics.

Starting point is 00:01:30 Before we get into it, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and where our listeners can find you. Okay, so where you can find me, the easiest place to find me is on Substack and it is literally just rebecca colshaw smith dot substack dot com. The name of the Substack is the Real AIDS Epidemic, which is the same name as the book that I had published in March of 2023 by Skyhorse Publishing, which was

Starting point is 00:02:01 actually an updated, expanded version of the first book that I wrote, which was called Science Sold Out that came out in 2007. I don't know how much you want me to get into my professional background. So just let me know. We're open minded to it all. So let's just start at the beginning. So I grew up in the age of AIDS. I was born in 1974 and I remember when, you know, news reports of the

Starting point is 00:02:28 scary disease with, you know, weird skin lesions and people ending up on, you know, in the hospital on the brink of death and their immune systems were just devastated and nobody knew what it was. And then they started talking about how it was probably a blood-borne pathogen. And my mother had had a really traumatic miscarriage after which she'd had to have a blood transfusion. So my father was just, he was obsessed with AIDS. He was sure that she had somehow contracted AIDS. And so I remember this sort of stuck in my head from an early age and you know, she didn't obviously, you know, she was perfectly fine. But I always thought it was a fascinating disease. I found it really interesting. I thought, you

Starting point is 00:03:07 know, how odd it is that it does not behave like other infectious diseases. There's some foreshadowing. So I had intended to study medicine actually in in university. And I was all set to do that. And then I just, this is gonna sound so nerdy, but I fell in love with calculus. And I was like, I wish I could fall in love with calculus. I really do. So I pivoted and I decided that I would do a degree in mathematics, which I'm, you know, very grateful for. I like

Starting point is 00:03:41 to joke that if you're going to get a PhD in a topic that you're not going to use mathematics is a good good one because it teaches you how to think that's very interesting me I don't want to rail too much, but I I'm a weird guy I love watching long math problems on YouTube like I just love watching them solve it I want to see if I can do it like you're talking about like like where they use like a whole Like you'll see like x over 3 divided And it's like what is X and I'm like, how did we even get here? And it's just like I don't know why I love watching those videos on how they know it

Starting point is 00:04:14 Do you have any clue what's happening? Like, do you know what's how are you? Well, I understand, you know, it's like, you know This is my kind of thing. Like I've never used any of that in real life so I'm just like but I just find the process of solving it just really interesting to me so I get I wish I had that love for it when I was young because I would have gone deep into it not that I would be that great at it but I do understand falling in love with math oh yeah and well it was interesting because I didn't particularly care for math in high school. I really loved chemistry and biology and math was just sort of a necessary evil.

Starting point is 00:04:49 And when I took calculus, it was like all of a sudden I understood how everything fit together. It's like, oh, now I know why we did this then, even though it seemed like, you know, was what's the point of it. So that was part of it. At any rate, so I did my undergraduate degree, and then I started a master's degree. And this is in Canada, mind you. I was at Dalhousie University. My advisor was Dr. Shigwe Ruwan, who is weirdly enough comes from Wuhan.

Starting point is 00:05:18 He's now at the University of Miami in Coral Gables, Florida. At any rate, I started my Masters, I was like, I'm going to do something with differential equations, which is sort of, I'd call it the logical endpoint of calculus. At any rate, so I was doing a little shift in the math learning center where you tutor people and I had opened up the notices of the American Mathematical Society and there was an article about people doing mathematical modeling of the interaction of the immune system and HIV. And I was like, this is for me. Wow.

Starting point is 00:05:51 Because I love biology and chemistry. I love mathematics. So I found the only mathematical biologist in the department at the time. I showed him this. He did not work on HIV and he actually hasn't since. And I said, would you be interested in working with me on this? And he goes, Oh, yes, absolutely. This is a hot topic. This is going to be great. So I did it. So in Canada, the masters and the PhD are awarded separately. Here, I think how it goes is you get your masters on your way to the PhD. And some people just stop after the master. Yes, that's how it goes. You get the master, then you

Starting point is 00:06:22 get the PhD. Yeah. So in Canada, they're separate. And a lot of people do terminal master's degrees. And I kind of thought maybe that's what I would do. And after I did my master's, like my life was sort of a mess. And I ran away to England and bartended for a while. And I came back and worked for worked as an actuarial student, which was the most miserable experience I've ever had in my entire life working in insurance. And that made me realize I want to go back and do my PhD and I want to work with the same guy and I want to expand on what I was doing in my masters.

Starting point is 00:06:52 Cause I had gotten a journal article out of it. So, you know, it seemed promising. So I jumped, I jumped back in working with the same guy and I was approaching the project from a kind of a different perspective because I come up, I've taken a class in optimal control theory, none of this is going to mean anything to anybody. So to do my dissertation, obviously, so what I was doing was I was looking at this, you know, mathematical model that determines, you know, what happens when you apply a treatment to an immune system. And by the immune system, we're talking about T cells we'll get into all of that and so

Starting point is 00:07:28 it's not like a typical epidemic model where you would model what happens throughout the population which we heard a lot about during COVID this is actually applying those principles to what's going on inside the person's body so of course I had to do a lot of research into the actual biology and what was going on, how this mysterious, very tiny, very fragile, according to the mainstream virus, managed to cause such incredible decimation. And at the time, and this has changed, which is something that we need to talk about as well, but at the time HIV was considered to be, or HIV disease they call it, was considered to be primarily the destruction of all of the body's helper T cells. And the helper T cells basically,

Starting point is 00:08:11 their T cells, their white blood cells, and they send a signal to other cells in the immune system to make antibodies or attack a foreign host, natural killer cells or something like that. know, at natural killer cells or something like that. And so this idea was you start out, you know, and you have it turns out that there's a huge confidence interval for the number of helper T cells that any healthy person has. But they said back back in the day that you would typically start out with a thousand and if you contracted HIV and HIV killed all these T cells, you would somehow get down to like below 200 or zero T cells. And therefore your body would be susceptible to all sorts of opportunistic infections and you know, you would die and there would be nothing to do about it. But here's the thing that I found out. There was no accepted agreed upon model as to how HIV actually killed those T

Starting point is 00:09:08 cells. They didn't observe it in the lab, they didn't observe it in people, they just saw that these T cells were gone and they assumed that HIV was killing them. There's a great quote and I want to say this was from probably 15 to 20 years ago and I don't remember who said it but it was an HIV researcher and he said, well we're still very confused as to how HIV kills these T cells, but now we're confused at a higher level of understanding. That's great.

Starting point is 00:09:36 We don't know, but we know we don't know. We don't know better. We don't know better. Our unknowing is much better than our old unknowing It's like Donald Rumsfeld quote. Yeah, what the no knowns and the unknown unknowns and Don't know when the first Patients in San Francisco, I think was like the first five AIDS patients that were Michael Gottlieb's patients in San Francisco, I think it was like the first five AIDS patients that were Michael Gottlieb's patients in San Francisco, the technology for counting T cells had only just been developed and so he decided,

Starting point is 00:10:11 oh, hey, let's look for some T cells in these people. So if some other technology might have been developed, who knows what they would have been looking for and like put a pin in that because it turns out that they don't even really use t-cells to track disease progression anymore So we'll we'll circle back to that later, but just back to my story and I'm almost done. No, it's all good. I'm enthralled I'm loving it. Okay, so I I went to my advisor when I was starting to have doubts and I had also found This mathematical criticism of the This mathematical criticism of the 1995 Ho and Wei papers that were in nature and what those papers were, were the papers that justified hit hard, hit early antiretroviral treatment and ushered in the old protease inhibitors, which are now not even prescribed anymore because they're so toxic.

Starting point is 00:11:00 So anyway, I come across this article and this guy completely debunked their mathematical model and it is, it's bad. And this David Ho was named Times Man of the Year in 1996 for his new understanding of the immune system that isn't even accepted anymore. At any rate, I went to my advisor, I showed him the paper, I said, I don't know if I can work on this anymore. And he said, look, you're almost finished. You've got all your coursework done. You just need to stick it out. Finish your dissertation, you're doing a mathematics dissertation, this is not, you're not discovering anything new in medicine or anything, just focus on the mathematics.

Starting point is 00:11:33 Once you get your degree, then you can maybe shift focus. And, you know, I'm thinking, okay, I guess I'll do that. I wasn't completely convinced that HIV was bunk at that time, but I was suspicious. And at any rate, finished the degree, got a job at a teaching college in Iowa, Clark College, which is now Clark University. And I was on a two year replacement

Starting point is 00:11:57 for a guy that went to do mission work in American Samoa. So I was just kind of working on wrapping up my stuff from my dissertation and getting some papers published. And then I got a tenure-trap job at a university in Texas in 2004 and I moved here and I just I was trying to work on this stuff and see if I could maybe spin it in a different direction and do some interesting mathematics. And I just was so frustrated and I was like I can't keep doing this. I don't even believe in this theory. I think it's harm.

Starting point is 00:12:30 I think it's actively harming people. I just, I quit. And so in the middle of the night, very, you know, you know how you get, sometimes you're just so full of energy. I wrote this little essay called why I quit HIV. And I sent it to my friend Darren Brown, who is also a mathematician. He lives in California.

Starting point is 00:12:48 He used to be very involved in this sort of alternative AIDS world, but he's kind of not doing that anymore. But I sent it to him and he said, we need to send this to Harvey Bialy. And Harvey Bialy, he passed away, I think, in 2019. He was the scientific biographer of Peter Duesberg. And Peter Duesberg is kind of like the big daddy of people who questioned HIV-causing AIDS because he stuck his neck out way back in the 80s

Starting point is 00:13:17 and basically paid for it with his career. At any rate- Was he the gentleman who stuck blood into himself? There was a gentleman... No, no. I know who you're talking about and I forget his name. No, Peter Josberg said he would take, he would have no problem injecting himself with HIV as long as there wasn't any other funky stuff in the blood.

Starting point is 00:13:39 So, but he never actually injected himself with anything to my knowledge. No, okay, okay. This is such an amazing, this is a really amazing conversation. And it's like, we have some of these episodes where it's just like, I think 99% of the population just couldn't, the people who listen to this will love it and you're crushing it. It's just like, I have so many people in my life that I tell them about, I'm gonna send this episode to two of my friends.

Starting point is 00:14:06 I've gotten in, not heated, but little debates on HIV because everything you're saying is so amazing. So I just want you to know that. Thank you. And honestly, I truly think that questioning HIV is the third rail for so many people. And that became very clear to me during COVID when all sorts of people

Starting point is 00:14:25 were questioning vaccines, they were questioning the existence of COVID and yet they're still all, you know, on board with HIV. Alex Berenson is a very good example of that. You know, he did a really good job questioning lockdowns and vaccines. But if you ever mention HIV, he's like, oh no, this is like the one shining example of the time they got it right. Anyway, so I'm almost- It's so crazy to me because it, Yeah. You know, you get into archeology and like there's the old school and then there's kind of these new people coming up

Starting point is 00:14:54 and they make discoveries that change timelines and the old school will not recognize those because it basically debunks everything they believe forever. So it's like, there's some, recognize those because it basically debunks everything they believe forever. I watch a lot of virologists talk about the isolation of HIV and we'll get into all that with you, but it's unbelievable to me when you know something for a fact. It's like what we talk about chat GPT.

Starting point is 00:15:23 You want to see how good chat GPT is, ask them a question you know the answer to. And you'd be amazed how many times it gets it wrong and it just spews propaganda to you because it's programmed to do that. That's kind of this whole thing. You know it's right. I'm listening to you. It's like, I obviously I don't think like you do. I'm not a mathematical biologist, but just everything you're saying just really resonates with me and I just wish people would understand it. Again, I was talking about this before.

Starting point is 00:15:51 I have a cousin who's gonna have a baby and her and the mother and myself, I wanna talk to them about not hitting this kid with these vaccines until it's at a certain age. I wouldn't hit them at all, but if you're going to, wait till their bodies, not hitting this kid with these vaccines until it's at a certain age. I wouldn't hit them at all, but you know, if you're going to, wait till their bodies have, I'm like, they can't understand that,

Starting point is 00:16:10 and they'll take some lab coat person that they don't even know who they are, or they see somebody on television, and they'll just take whatever they say, why their own flesh and blood that loves them to pieces. I have a show about this that does a little bit of research. It's like, just hold off. Trust me on this. It's this whole thing with this programming is so strong that it overrides instincts. It's so crazy to me. So I'm sorry to cut you off, but go on.

Starting point is 00:16:37 Oh, you're good. You're good. No, that reminded me actually just a few weeks ago, I took my 16 year old to get a checkup to go to summer camp and they immediately said, okay, time for an HPV vaccine. And I said, no, we're not going to take that. Thanks though. Yeah, we don't need it. Nope. No, thank you. Okay. So I'm just, I'm just about to wrap up. Take your time. Dramatic origin story. I love it Okay, so I send I send the piece to Lou Rockwell. He publishes it on his You know his website or whatever Next morning I get into work and I open up my email and there are literally thousands of emails most of them were critical, but some of them were very supportive and

Starting point is 00:17:24 So anyway that led to my getting a book contract with North Atlantic Books. They asked me to publish a polemic on the problems with the HIV theory of AIDS. And that book was Science Sold Out, which I have here. Science Sold Out, Does HIV Really Cause AIDS? And so that came out in 2007. And you know, I'm just, I'm just innocently going along, going along, doing my job as an assistant professor. And I was also pregnant at the time with my first child.

Starting point is 00:17:53 And the internet was starting to talk about me. And there was a coordinated letter writing campaign, somewhere between a dozen and 20 letters from various doctors and professors around the country were sent to the president of my university, basically saying, what a dangerous crackpot they have working for them, and they need to do something about it.

Starting point is 00:18:18 And the president, he would send the letters to me, and then he forwarded them to the dean. And the dean was, at the time, was an interim dean who was very, very ambitious. And at some time in the spring, I was heavily, heavily pregnant. I remember that because I was so distracted. And she asked me to come to her office and I knew, I knew that I was getting the boot. Like just the way that she said it. And so I went up to her office and she's like, well, you know,

Starting point is 00:18:46 some of the students aren't happy with you, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And your research has fallen off since you've been here. And I'm going to, you know, we'll give you a year's contract and then basically you're out of here. And I don't know. I can't say if my work on HIV and my very public defection from the mainstream had anything to do with it. If you're untenured, they can fire you at any time for any reason,

Starting point is 00:19:18 and they don't have to give you the reason. So, another reason altogether, she fired some other people that year for also spurious reasons. There was a fellow who had been hired in the biology department to be their research professor and they were so, the other biologists were so resentful of him that they slapped him with the pre-med, pre-dental committee so he had no time to do research. I mean it was just kind of a scummy sort of a situation. So that was that. I was like, all right then, not sure what I'm gonna do here. I couldn't really look for another job

Starting point is 00:19:50 because my husband had custody of his two daughters from a previous marriage. And part of the divorce agreement was that we couldn't leave the county until the girls were 18. So I decided, okay, well, I guess I'm gonna pivot, have my baby, maybe have another couple of kids. I guess I've said, I've said my piece and, you know, maybe I'll get back into

Starting point is 00:20:11 mathematics at a later date. Right now, I'm, you know, concentrating on my, my young family. And I thought at the time, it's probably never going to come up again. I don't think, you know, like, like I said, I've said my piece, my conscience is clean. I'm happy that I left the field. If I had to pay for it with my job, at least I had, you know, a husband and a family to fall back on. It's not like I was destitute. And so, like I said, I thought it was done.

Starting point is 00:20:39 And then COVID happened. And all I could think was, I remember the beginning, the very beginning when they were first starting to lock down, I remember sitting with my husband outside having an argument with him. And I was explaining how like from a mathematical biology perspective, lockdowns only work if you start them

Starting point is 00:20:54 before the disease even gets out the gate. So they're ridiculous anyways. And I just started to- Now is your husband open-minded to your thoughts? No, he absolutely is about HIV actually. He's also a mathematician and I remember, you know, when we first started dating, he assumed that I was, you know, on the orthodox side of the HIV AIDS debate and he was kind of blown away

Starting point is 00:21:20 when I told him what I had come to understand to be true. And he said, you know, I always, the demographics of that disease never made sense to me. Like your explanation makes much more sense than the mainstream explanation. So he's very open-minded about that. But he was a little, he was, I don't know if he was scared of COVID or he was so delighted. He's such an introvert. I think he was just delighted. Oh yeah. My mom was like that. She, Oh, I don't have to leave my house. I can't leave. I'm going to stay home. I don't need to see anybody ever. And if you look at the, from like the 1920s, and all the things they said on how to, if you're not feeling good what to do,

Starting point is 00:21:59 it was the exact opposite of what they told you during COVID. They were like in the 20s they were like go outside, work out, you know, get in the sun, do all this stuff and then you saw during COVID it was the exact opposite. Yeah stay in your home so that all of these whatever you know if you believe in these pathogens circulating around let's just trap them in the home with the people great idea. Anyway so yes so COVID happened and I decided to start a sub step because I wanted to talk about things like positive predictive value of tests and talk about, you know, the PCR technology because I, you know, know a fair bit about that because it's heavily employed in AIDS. I mean, that's, that's how they calculate the viral load is by PCR. So the number of the god Oh my God. Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:45 The number, it's hilarious because undetectable, it used to be considered to be less than 10,000 copies per milliliter and now they've dropped it to under 20. And it's just so funny because you'd see these diagro that's like, don't worry about a viral blip. It's like, okay, so undetectable is actually detectable. It's crazy. It's very interesting to me too,

Starting point is 00:23:04 because I have this theory based on doing this show for so long that the reason Carey Mullins got the Nobel Peace Prize for inventing that machine because he basically helped them figure out a way that they could kind of astroturf something. That something's there. So, you know. Yeah, the idea is to take fragments of the genome of whatever it is that you're, it's been, you know, employed fairly extensively in crime scene analysis. But the idea is you take these fragments and you exponentially multiply them so that you can see what's there and you have enough to work with.

Starting point is 00:23:40 And so you can clearly see how using that as viral load to tell an AIDS patient how much virus they have floating around in their bodies, it doesn't even measure whole viruses. And like I said, even the mainstream, there was a good paper by Piotrka et al. that said that PCR, the viral load test overestimates infectious virus by a factor of 60,000. And the vast majority of these viruses that they're measuring are defective and therefore are not able to cause disease, which raises the question if you are doing research based on these defective virions or parts of the virus, how are any of your conclusions even valid? Because you're talking about something that's defective, right? You need to be working with the whole genome of something that you know is infectious

Starting point is 00:24:28 and can repeat. You know, you can isolate that pathogen and you can put it into a different person. Coq's postulates, right? Coq's postulates, yeah. Coq's postulates. And then there's another one called Rivers Requirements or something like that. It's another one that they came up with later because they couldn't do Cox postulates or Cokes postulates.

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Starting point is 00:30:05 I know who he is. I'm a big fan of his and his thoughts. He'll often go through a lot of the COVID papers which have said they isolated the virus and then he'll go to the things that people like you look at, but people like us may not take time to look at the footnotes and the sightings of the research and then it'll go to the actual papers, read the papers and within the papers they will say this doesn't actually satisfy Koch's postulates. So I find it very interesting for sure all that stuff but going back to what you were talking about the the the

Starting point is 00:30:47 PCR test. Oh Yeah, so anyway, no, that's that's that's all I had to say was that even the mainstream claims that it overestimates Infectious virus by a factor of 60,000, but it's ridiculous that they use it in the first place And what's really disturbing is that I'm sure you've heard the term u equals u. You'd be surprised. Undetectable equals untransmittable. Sorry about that I made a bad joke I'm not the smartest person in the world. So u equals u is what? Okay u equals u is undetectable equals untransmittable and so the idea behind that is that if HIV positive patient is virally suppressed

Starting point is 00:31:29 so that they have an undetectable viral load then they can't pass it on sexually or by any other way. And so this has legal consequences of course. So, you know, in places, I think it varies from state to state, but like in your state, California, for example, if you're undetectable, you don't have to disclose your status to your partners.

Starting point is 00:31:46 But the disturbing- Quick question, so undetectable means if you're on PrEP. So if you're taking- No, no, no, no. That means when they test- Okay, so PrEP is for people who are HIV negative, and that's a whole different problem. So this is for people who've tested positive,

Starting point is 00:32:02 who supposedly have HIV in their body, they can't get rid of it. But if they're on treatment and they go to get their labs done and the viral load comes up undetectable or less than 20 copies per milliliter, they're considered to be unable to transmit in any circumstances. However, if you actually look at the medical literature, it's almost... HIV is not a sexually transmitted pathogen, it's definitely not bidirectionally sexually transmitted. Women basically cannot transmit it to men, or whatever signal is being transmitted by HIV positivity, it's not. And the Perth group has argued this extensively as well, that HIV is not a bidirectionally sexually transmitted disease, and it does not actually behave like an infectious disease at all.

Starting point is 00:32:46 But that's a whole other topic. Okay. All right. So yeah, where do we want to get back to? We keep knocking it off with our questions. Where are we at? Okay. Well, I guess we...

Starting point is 00:33:00 So there's so much that we can talk about. We're here for it. On this topic. Well speaking of the demographics for example, this is actually really interesting and I give a lot of credit to Dr. Henry Bauer. He is the Emeritus Dean of Arts and Sciences at Virginia Tech. He's a retired chemist. He actually has a substack.

Starting point is 00:33:23 He's in his 90s now, but he wrote a book around the same time as my first one came out in 2007. Oh, I never actually finished my story about my book. But anyway, whatever you want to talk about, I'm enthralled. Okay. So let's just talk about the demographics and then I'll wrap my story up. What he did was he looked at the CDC's own data, starting from the beginning of the epidemic up until 2007, and he found that not only had HIV positivity remained at 0.3% of the population since testing began. And it was dispersed all throughout the country. And the theory at the time was that the virus had entered

Starting point is 00:34:12 through LA, New York and San Francisco, but they started screening army recruits. And there was this huge study by Colonel Burke that came out in like the early 90s, where they studied hundreds and thousands of army recruits. And there were some odd signals about HIV positivity in the results and what they found was that actually in the teen years, girls, the younger teen years, girls test HIV positive more frequently

Starting point is 00:34:39 than do males and then after that it flips and it's about two to one which is interesting because the AIDS ratio is more like nine to one men to female, like 90% of AIDS patients even now are men. So anyways, so then he started looking into the demographics even further and discovered, okay, first of all, it's been 0.3% of the population for 40 years. That is not how a new infection behaves. So there's a couple of options. Either one, which is what I think is the case, we're not measuring an infectious pathogen at all, the signal is signaling something else. Or two, the virus entered the United States much, much, much earlier than we thought, which causes again a conundrum because then why didn't AIDS show up until the 80s? So there's a problem right there, but that's only the beginning of the problems

Starting point is 00:35:27 or the demographics. Another thing that's really interesting is that HIV positivity is never zero in any risk group, including groups that should be at no risk, like replete blood donors, and this has been shown in other countries as well. And also in every single risk group, the racial disparities of HIV are African Americans test positive five to six times more frequently than whites. Okay, this gets more interesting. And then you have Hispanics in between there. And then you have whites and you have Asians testing positive. and it's that way in every risk group. But the Hispanic thing is really interesting because on the West Coast, Hispanics tend to test positive about the same as do whites, and on the East Coast it's closer to how often Black people test HRD positive.

Starting point is 00:36:20 And the reason for this is because Hispanic is an ethnic category. And in the West, most Hispanics are from Mexico, whereas in the East, they come more from the Caribbean and have more African ancestry. And so Dr. Bauer's thesis is there's something about being African American that is inherent. It's not a disease process, but it makes you much more likely to test positive. And we've certainly, if you see any of the advertisements for PrEP or HIV drugs, you know, it's very clearly targeting a specific racial demographic.

Starting point is 00:36:51 Shall we say? Yes, you're totally right. I mean, Sports Center cannot stop running HIV commercials. It's unbelievable to me that a sports show is constantly running HIV commercials. In a weird way, would you say then it's kind of like, I mean, it might sound weird, but like diabetes for Mexicans, how Mexicans are more prone to diabetes for whatever reason, would you say it's something like that?

Starting point is 00:37:13 Or why would you say that African Americans get it more? Or something like sickle cell anemia, which is, but it becomes complicated because there's so many tests to test for this. First of all, you have two different types of antibody tests. And then, so that's usually the first line of testing. But the thing is that there's something like 70 cross-reacting conditions

Starting point is 00:37:41 that can create antibodies that will cross-react on the HIV test. And it gets even crazier too, because the initial test that they do, which is called an ELISA test, and that basically just gives you a yes, no answer, kind of like a pregnancy test or something like that. And it turns out that the ELISA test

Starting point is 00:38:02 has to be run on blood that is diluted 400 times. And there was a doctor in New York City. And he also died during COVID. We lost a lot of people from the AIDS critical community during COVID. At any rate, his name was Roberto Geraldo and he ran an experiment where he collected blood from 100 of his colleagues and students at the hospital. And then he ran the HIV test und diluted and they all tested negative. And then he ran it undiluted and every single one came back positive. And there's also some, I don't know why.

Starting point is 00:38:37 So, and there are other laboratory tests that you have to dilute a little bit to kind of filter out any sort of false positive. But I mean, I think the most that you ever to dilute a little bit to kind of filter out any sort of false positive. But I mean, I think the most that you ever dilute anything is like 10 times or something. And I think that's for Epstein-Barr. Don't quote me on that. So that's a weird thing that's never that mainstream has never really thoroughly satisfactorily addressed. But regardless, that's usually the first the first line if you're being screened for HIV, they'll give you an ELISA test. And then if that's positive, they'll give you another one. If that's positive, again, they used to give you something called a Western blot where the proteins were separated. I don't believe that test is used anymore. And that test was crazy because in order to be positive, the criteria were different in different countries. And there was this whole joke that I think you had to have three out of 10 bands ping in the United States and in Australia, you only had to have or you had to have four or something like that. And so the joke was you could be HIV positive in in America and fly to Australia and you magically be negative.

Starting point is 00:39:40 Whoa, that's crazy. That's probably crazy why they don't use that test anymore. And then we get into PCR testing, okay? And so one of the big problems, and Peter Duisburg, as I mentioned, he is a, um, he's a molecular biologist, he's in California, he, um, at Berkeley, and he was quite a star in the 1970s and early 1980s because he had done something with a cancer gene. I'm not a cancer specialist, so that's as far as I can explain it to you. But what he ended up doing was realizing,

Starting point is 00:40:16 oh, actually, I did not actually isolate a cancer gene, and he basically torched his own work, which is a very brave thing of a scientist to do and with time he was proven right. Wow. So he was a retro virologist and here's something that your audience might not know is that a lot of these people that worked on HIV and Kerry Mullis writes about this in his book Kerry Mullis himself having invented the PCR technique, he actually wrote the forward to Duisburg's big book, Inventing the AIDS Virus, and he was a very strong critic of the HIV AIDS theory. At any rate, the PCR technology that he invented that in the 80s, but it didn't

Starting point is 00:41:00 get, it didn't start getting widely used until the 90s. And he had a couple, Kary Mullis himself had a couple of great lines. One of them was, you can't use PCR for diagnosis. And then he also said quantitative PCR is an oxymoron and quantitative PCR is exactly what they do when they give an HIV positive patient their viral load. And so when Duesberg started criticizing the theory, one of his strongest critiques was that healthy or sick, it was almost impossible to find actual HIV and AIDS patients. Like you could find antibodies, you could find fragments of genetic material that could be related to a retrovirus, and that's probably where you're getting your PCR viral load from. But this was a huge

Starting point is 00:41:42 problem for the orthodoxy, And if we get into the original papers that started this whole thing, I can kind of identify the original sin that sent us down this path that we really need to turn that ship around. And at any rate, so what happened was they started using viral load. No, real quick, sorry, I'm so sorry to cut you off

Starting point is 00:42:04 because you're cooking with gas. I've been reading a lot about, reading and watching YouTube videos, about retroviruses and there's something very specific about retroviruses and now is it retrovirus is something that enters the cell? Is that what a retrovirus is? Because that's very important to this discussion.

Starting point is 00:42:26 Okay, so a retrovirus is, it's an RNA virus. So it has RNA instead of DNA, and it uses an enzyme called reverse transcriptase to copy the RNA to DNA. And then it is supposedly, it integrates itself into the genome of the host cell. Yes, that's it. That's very important to this, I believe.

Starting point is 00:42:47 Well, it is important. And another thing that's important is that our the human genome itself is composed of I think three to 8% of endogenous retro viral fragments. And when these get released, if your body is under stress, they get released as extra cellular vesicles or human endogenous retro viruses, and they can actually your body can actually mount an immune response to itself. And I think this is really crucial. Are you talking toxins?

Starting point is 00:43:08 Is that along the lines over time? Toxins are any sort of trigger, to be honest with you, any sort of trigger. It just depends on, it depends on the person. But yeah, toxins would be something, cancers for another can cause these. Andrew Kaufman should know about this because I know he's discussed extracellular vesicles before.

Starting point is 00:43:34 But anyways, yes, HIV is alleged to be a retrovirus and it's alleged to enter and integrate itself into the genome of the host cell and so you can never get rid of it. But at any rate, back in the 80s and the early 90s, they would look at AIDS patients and they couldn't find any, you know, actual HIV. And still to this day, there have been no two identical copies of HIV isolated even from the same AIDS patients, which is why it is referred to by the mainstream as a quasi species. Okay. Um, which is, it's very, it comes, it's a bit of a conundrum when you think about AIDS in Africa, and this is a bit of a tangent, but I think it's important. Okay. So remember this, according to the mainstream, even HIV is considered to be a quasi species.

Starting point is 00:44:23 It's so highly variable. It can't even be defined as a unique thing. In mathematics, if something's not unique, you can't claim that it exists. But regardless... Sorry, I'm cutting you off. When you say if it can't be proven to be unique or if it's not unique? So what we, what we would, in, in mathematics, we have, you know, existence and uniqueness. And so if you want to define something that you want to show that something is

Starting point is 00:44:55 an independent entity, you first, you have to show that it exists. And then you have to show that it's unique. So this is, I'm being a little bit nerdy and this is not. I think it's important when something is unique What does that mean? Well, then you can For example with HIV you would want to show that You can if you have somebody who has this infection

Starting point is 00:45:18 You should be able to isolate the virus and you should have it on a density gradient and every single particle should be identical Right, you're not having different, and they've never done this by the way. Another person that we lost tragically during COVID, Dr. Etienne de Harbin, he's an electron microscopist who actually did isolate the first retrovirus, the Friend Leukemia virus with Charlotte Friend. And he was very critical of the HIV AIDS theory he wrote

Starting point is 00:45:46 a book called 10 lies about AIDS and he was you know very determined to let people know that what they think of as isolation of HIV is no is no such thing you know they're they're trying to what they refer to as isolation is it's usually something like detecting reverse transcriptase, which is not unique to HIV. It's an umbilical cord, which is probably part of the reason that pregnant women are at higher risk of testing positive. False positive. I mean, I think all positives are false positives on the HIV, but that's regardless. At any rate, they started using... so this was a big problem for the HIV people, is they couldn't find any HIV. It's like, well how can it be making people sick if you can't even find it? Well then they started using PCR to multiply these little fragments and all of a sudden they got a number like, oh, Deuxburg has to eat crow. We found all of this HIV. I mean, but it

Starting point is 00:46:43 was ridiculous because they're just multiplying, you know, they're just amplifying these fragments of, you know, just a small snippet of the 9,000 or whatever nucleotides are claimed to be in this particular pathogen. And so David Ho and his colleagues made a big splash in 95 in Nature, where they used, they looked at they looked at PCR and this is where he came up with this famous tap and drain analogy of as to what happens with HIV. He said contrary to what we believed before, HIV is actually very active from the beginning of infection. It's constantly producing new viruses. The problem is the body's getting rid of them faster than it can be produced.

Starting point is 00:47:25 And so the analogy that he used was the drain was bigger than the tap. And eventually, after years and years of immune activation, all the T cells in the body would be gone. But there were some problems with this paper. And this is the guy that got the Times Man of the Year in 96 for these papers. There were some serious problems with these papers, not only mathematically but biologically. The biology, I can't speak to as much as I can the mathematics, but I'm just going to tell you what they did. And I'll try to explain it in as simple terms as I possibly can actually get a whole live stream on Substack about this. So what they did was

Starting point is 00:48:02 they created a mathematical model of HIV and the immune system. So they had an equation for the change of virus over time and they had an equation for the change in T cells over time. However, first of all, they were basically the same equation and they basically were an, it was an equation that had an exponential function depending on what you put into it or what you put out of it Either the virus would grow or decay and the T cells would grow or decay But the equation for the change in T cells over time didn't even have a term for HIV in it

Starting point is 00:48:34 Like they were the most it was it was the most Sophomoric amateur mathematical model and models can't prove anything by the way All they can do is you mean you put something into a math mathematical model is gonna can't prove anything by the way all they can do is you put something into a mathematical model it's gonna spit out an answer based on what you put in you know that's where we get garbage in garbage out and a good example of that was those Neil Ferguson models at the beginning of COVID where he was predicting you know two million deaths in the US and stuff like that. And so and he said but if we do social distancing, it'll be this. Well, those models didn't prove social distancing worked. Those models assumed it

Starting point is 00:49:10 worked and they input it as a variable. And so all they can do is quantify things. So people get all, you know, excited about these fancy mathematical models. And I always like to remind people, they can't prove anything. They are just reflecting your assumptions. They can be very useful, but you cannot use a mathematical model to prove anything. Oh, it's so crazy that they could take like disease and put a mathematical equation to it. That is so- Oh yeah, there are people who do this with cancer and tuberculosis and all sorts of things. It's actually a really hot field in mathematics right now.

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Starting point is 00:50:21 and what they want. I don't know where that fits into mathematics, but you know that there's this kind of like dark, dark energy at the very top of all of this. So if you push out an equation or a finding that doesn't necessarily have to even be correct, right? They'll push it out. Hey guys, real quick, I wanna tell you about

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Starting point is 00:53:50 And we thank them for sponsoring this show One of the funny things about HIV is I mean there have been millions of articles written about it and You know starting from the famous famous Gallo papers in 1984, which we should really probably discuss just a little bit because those are the papers that are considered to sort of be the cornerstone of the entire HIV AIDS theory and they're absolutely awful. They're so bad. For example, in one of them, Gallo took a cohort of 76 AIDS patients and he only found HIV-related genetic material in 26 of them. And so that's fewer than half. And we're taught

Starting point is 00:54:34 correlation is not causation, but that's a spurious correlation. And the theory should have been dead at this point, that point, but it never did. It just kept going on and on and on. And even the Ho papers are kind of considered, even by the mainstream, to sort of be debunked at this point. They had ushered in the whole protease inhibitor treatment in the 90s, which if you recall, it was like, oh my gosh, this is going to end AIDS. This is so great. Well, they don't even prescribe protease inhibitors anymore, unless they're part of Paxlovid. But you didn't know that half of the COVID antiviral Paxlovid is Ritonavir, which is the original anti-HIV protease inhibitor that was used.

Starting point is 00:55:12 Oh my God. Yep. These drugs are not specific. They're not specific and they've also changed... Here's something that they've done that's really freaking sneaky is patients get their labs drawn right and they would get their CD4 T cells or helper T cells and they would get their viral load. Now the mainstream has decided to basically base disease stage only on viral load because

Starting point is 00:55:38 they're concerned with this whole U equals U thing and a lot of the time they don't worry about T cells and they say well actually AIDS is a lot of the time they don't worry about T cells and they say, well, actually AIDS is a disease of massive inflammation, which is a big head scratcher because isn't that autoimmunity. Regardless. When you say load, do you mean the amount of whatever they're looking for?

Starting point is 00:56:02 Is that what it is? What that load? Okay, so viral load, it is sold to patients as this is the amount of the HIV virus you have per milliliter of blood. Okay. Okay. And that's, as we know, since they use PCR to find it, that's actually not what it is. And I mean, I follow some people on YouTube or whatever, who are women who are HIV positive. And this one woman, she's talking about the PCR test

Starting point is 00:56:29 for COVID and she had no idea that that was what was being used to measure her viral load. So, you know, patients, I don't even know how much clinicians are aware of this. I saw a fellow named Zach Bush, he's a doctor, you might've heard of him. He was being interviewed during COVID and he said a lot of the time, you know, clinical work lags 20 years behind the medical literature. But the interesting thing about HIV is that basically the seeds of the destruction

Starting point is 00:56:56 of their pet theory are right there in their papers. Like you can completely falsify the HIV hypothesis simply by using their own data. But anyways, so now one of the reasons they don't concentrate on T cells as much anymore, first of all, there's the inflammation thing. But the reason they don't concentrate on it, and nobody will say this except for me, but this is true, you can look it up. Out of the patients that are virally suppressed on these drugs, 10 to 40% of them are called immunological non-responders, which basically means they have an undetectable viral load,

Starting point is 00:57:37 but their T cells are still crap and they're still sick. Oh my God. And like, I mean, this is just what I've studied with this stuff. So like, if you get this one demographic, we'll say gay men that are known for having somewhat of a risky lifestyle, right? Like- Well, some gay men, yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:59 Okay, well we won't- AIDS actually never really broke out fully in the homosexual community either. That's something that a lot of people don't talk about. was a you know a subset of very fast lane gay men. Yes Yeah, so we'll call them fast lane gays the fast lane gays Okay, that were like taking methamphetamines and

Starting point is 00:58:20 antibiotics also doing those poppers which were very big in the gay community, they were just wrecking their immune system from being up all day, not drinking water, not doing all that stuff that's important for your immune system. And they would go get tested and it would show that they had low white cell counts. I could be wrong on this, but that's basically what, they just found this demographic that had low immune system due to lifestyles, and they just told them they,

Starting point is 00:58:55 oh, hey, our tests, all these tests you said. Oh, and I mean, it's a tragedy because that whole community is in some sort of Stockholm syndrome, and that's who they're marketing prep to to and they're trying to put these anti HIV drugs into perfectly healthy people's bodies as a sort of prevention because after 40 years and over a hundred vaccine trials all of them almost all of them have been abandoned for futility and I mean they're getting to the point

Starting point is 00:59:19 where they're just saying oh let's just give you PrEP twice a year can you imagine the giant toxic dose of drugs that you would have to be given for something to protect you for six months? It's ridiculous. But another risk factor for the gay community that isn't talked about very much is douching. And that completely, you know,

Starting point is 00:59:40 and I have some people on my Substack that are gay men and they say, well, some people do it and some people don't, but some guys, they'll go right up into the colon and that really strips your microbiome, right? Also, it causes excess antibody production and the antibodies, you get leaky gut and the antibodies, these pathogens go into the bloodstream and then your body melts an antibody response. And so this non-specific antibody test for quote-unquote HIV is actually more likely picking up what is referred to as hypergamma globulinemia, which is basically too many antibodies to too many things, which basically just means their immune system is stressed because they have a lot of foreign challenges like toxins or funguses or, or, or whatever. But

Starting point is 01:00:30 Oh my God. That is unfortunately, this whole community is being offered pre exposure prophylaxis. And there's, I mean, it's so incredibly racist and homophobic. Like if you look at the ads who they're targeting, and it's great to me because I get so many articles it's like African Americans just aren't taking PrEP as much as they should be. I'm like because they're smart enough to remember that they have been used and abused by the medical system. Hello Tuskegee. Like no wonder they're, you know, I'm thrilled.

Starting point is 01:01:00 You're so right. And it's so crazy during COVID, how black celebrities were used to sell the black community on the vaccine to the point that this very famous basketball player, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, was basically gaslighting anybody that wouldn't get the COVID vaccine. And now, I told you this, right, Johnny? Now he's doing commercials for heart problems He's talking about how he has heart problems

Starting point is 01:01:30 No, it's a radio ad and cuz I'm old enough I still listen to sports talk radio he hey, it's cream of douche bar I have a blah blah blah fibriosis and My doctors tell me my heart is having problem. I'm like that is just And my doctors tell me my heart is having problems. I'm like, that is just- Gee, I wonder why. Yeah, how it started, how it's going. And it's just really crazy to me because he gaslit everybody that wouldn't get the vaccine.

Starting point is 01:01:55 It's just crazy. Oh my goodness. Yes, the bullying around the vaccine was insane. And it reminded me of like, the behavior control you know, both I have said before and I will say it again, I really think that the response to AIDS was the clinical trial for the response to COVID. You know, you want to control the population. Well, let's try it on a small subset of the population that's, you know, see if it works

Starting point is 01:02:21 there. And then we can pull out the big guns. And I really do think that there are some nefarious characters That were involved in this and now well, this is the tin foil hats podcast. So this is fine for me to say You can say anything. That's like that. That's like the eddie brawl theory where uh, first it was only agents could get it Oh, yeah, and then we're like they do is they they get you to accept it For another demographic they get you to accept it for someone that's not you. And once you accept it, that's real for them.

Starting point is 01:02:50 Now you're captured because eventually they're going to roll it out. And then, you know, they did it with HIV. Oh, gay men, gay men, gay men. And then I'll know we're like, woman contracts HIV. Now they got you captured because you believe it's a real thing. It's the same thing. Oh, and they'll you captured, because you believe it's a real thing. Same thing with COVID. Oh, and they'll tell you crazy stories too. There was like that dentist back in the 90s that supposedly gave five patients HIV from,

Starting point is 01:03:12 you know, contaminated equipment, which is ridiculous. Even the mainstream says, yeah, this virus is so fragile that as soon as it is exposed to air, it dies, which is why this is how they try to get out of this whole thing, this phenomenon that HIV positivity does not behave at all like an STI. It behaves much more like something genetic. It's been so incredibly constant in the population. They'll use language like, well new HIV infections have dropped to this or whatever, but if you actually look over the past 40 years, and this is not just in the US worldwide as well, 0.3 to 0.4 percent of the population is always HIV positive, and that's

Starting point is 01:03:51 just a fact that they can't really get away from, but how they try to justify it being transmissible is they say, well you have to get it in your bloodstream. Okay, so this is how they got around this whole thing, like women can't really cannot transmit to men. They can't, although they claim in Africa they can because it's a different strain of HIV, HIV2, instead of HIV1, which is supposedly more easily transmitted vaginally, despite the fact that HIV is a quasi-species. So how do you have HIV1 and HIV2, and how in 40 years has there been no mixing? I mean, it is ridiculous, the lies that they tell us, and people just are like, well, the drugs are so great and they turn this into a chronic manageable illness, so this whole

Starting point is 01:04:39 thing is, you know, we're done. People who question this are crazy. And like I said at the very beginning of the podcast, it amazes me how some like really fairly intelligent people who were very quick to question COVID at the beginning, they refuse to even look into the possibility that HIV isn't what they think it is. They, it's like, why do they think that this is the the you know, they're so skeptical of modern medicine rightfully in many ways there's been a lot of missteps that have been made and Yet somehow the HIV

Starting point is 01:05:14 Situation is the one shining example where they were honest with us and they got it. All right Despite the fact that all of you know the papers from the early days They're constantly being we're constantly being told. Oh, well that papers out of date and know, the papers from the early days, they're constantly being, we're constantly being told, oh, well that paper's out of date. And yet at the same time, they'll talk about the millions of articles that have been written on HIV as massive overwhelming evidence for the theory.

Starting point is 01:05:34 So which is it? Are the papers out of date or is it massive overwhelming evidence? You can't have it both ways. It's just absolutely insanity. And the question I have for you, and I don't want to jump too far ahead if you want to talk about it later, but when these people put these papers out, are they doing it maliciously or have they convinced themselves, almost brainwashed themselves into what they're

Starting point is 01:06:02 saying is right or do they say here's an opportunity here here's an industry that is begging for any research that validates them selling more drugs to the population them introducing what I will call not you me a bio weapon here we go do they do it maliciously do you think is there that kind of you I mean we could have a discussion on Fauci. And I do think he's that kind of evil. But my favorite villain in the AIDS stories in the AIDS story is Bob Gallow. And we will we will discuss his papers because

Starting point is 01:06:38 they're very interesting. Um, to be honest with you, I think that the vast majority of people who are working on this are just worker bees, and they fully believe what they're doing and they haven't even seen alternatives. This is like, this goes back to how I was talking about like some women who are HIV positive online who have like their own channels don't even know that viral load is determined using PCR. So I think, I think there has been some malice. I think that most of these worker bees actually believe what they're thinking. I think a lot of people have deluded themselves into believing that this is true because their entire career rests on it. A lot of the early AIDS researchers had been cancer researchers that were trying to find

Starting point is 01:07:17 a retroviral cause for cancer, and they couldn't find one in the 70s during Nixon's war on cancer. And then, oh, thank God, AIDS came along so they could look for a retrovirus that was causing that. So, I mean, it was a virus in search of a disease in some sense. And there's this idea that all of a sudden emergency rooms were being overwhelmed by people who were sick. And there were a lot of people that died in the 80s. But the first five AIDS patients, Michael Gottlieb looked for them, like he actively sought them out and then used this technology, this newly minted technology

Starting point is 01:07:51 to count T cells to say, oh, look at this, we have a new disease that's depleting T cells and we need to find some sort of a virus that's tropic for these T cells. And they settled on what was called HTLV3 at the time, and it was also called LAV, or lymphadenopathy-associated virus, by the French, because there was also, there was, I mean, this whole thing is full of scandal, and because Robert Gallo, the American researcher who claimed that he had found the cause of AIDS, and he had this whole press conference, and everything, he was later found to be guilty of scientific misconduct because he had stolen Luke Montaigne's sample. Luke Montaigne was at the Pasteur Institute. He's the fellow who eventually got the Nobel Prize for discovering HIV. He also died during COVID and he was also kind of a COVID critic. He was also a bit critical

Starting point is 01:08:38 of HIV too. He said HIV couldn't cause AIDS without cofactors. But anyway, Bob Gallo stole his sample appropriated as his own, and then claimed, you know, used that to patent his HIV test. And, you know, there was a battle going on for a while, and they decided to let the French and the Americans both claim credit, but then the Nobel committee clearly snubbed Gallo by giving the Nobel only to Montagnier. So with him, I would say, he so he has a funny history. He had found, he claimed that he'd found this retrovirus, HL23V, that was supposedly, I think he was supposed to cause leukemia or something. And he, he went on about it and made this big publicity and it turned out that it wasn't even a real virus. It was like a mixture of like monkey and something else. It was like a laboratory artifact. I was watching videos on docs

Starting point is 01:09:31 on HIV early and they were talking about how it was so hard for them to even find anything that they started like mixing in leukemia and stuff like that. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm like, that's pretty shocking to me. In order to express, you know, have viral expression, these cultures have to be I mean, they have to be stimulated with these mitogens, which, you know, cause it will cause cell death and various other things. And so what they're calling isolation is no such thing. And you know the orthodoxists will say, oh yes we've isolated it, but there have never been a

Starting point is 01:10:15 photograph of HIV particles in the density gradient at which they're supposed to band in the centrifuge. The best we can get are these sort of faked little pictures of something budding from a cell that maybe, that isn't even the right size for a retrovirus. So it's never actually, I mean, HIV is a virtual virus. You know, its genome exists as a computer program, very similar to COVID. And that brings to mind another issue is that

Starting point is 01:10:44 what a lot of people don't realize is that a lot of the current research being done on HIV and particular treatments and also these shock and kill ideas that we're going to try to actually eliminate the virus entirely. A lot of these studies, a lot of these studies, they're not done on actual viruses or parts of viruses in the lab. They're done on the computer in silico. Whoa! Really? That's crazy! Well, AI is the future and, but yeah, no, a lot of these, a lot of these papers studying, especially drug development, a lot of them are done in silico.

Starting point is 01:11:21 They're not actually done in people. That is insane, dude! That they're not actually done in people that is insane, dude That they're not actually testing them on patients. These are all Theoretical in a way. I'm not all of them not all of them, but a lot That is crazy Entire epidemic is Not what it's presented to be let's just put it that way. And I mean, I do think that there is something dark and sinister going on with this, particularly

Starting point is 01:11:52 with the way that African Americans are targeted and also Africans. I mean, you probably heard about the PEPFAR, the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Research or Treatment or whatever it is. Bobby Kennedy basically ended PEPFAR. It's gonna be ended. And so they're saying, oh, well, how are we gonna get these AIDS drugs to these African countries?

Starting point is 01:12:13 It's like, maybe they'd be better off without them. No, I totally agree with that. You know, I'm in recovery and one of my buddies, I haven't talked to him in years, but he was just a wild man. He was a speed freak and he was trying to get sober. I would find him, he wouldn't show up to the meetings for a while, so I'd go to his house, see what he's doing,

Starting point is 01:12:36 and sure, he's just tweaking. And we would just get to talking and he was telling me that he's off his AIDS meds. And I was like, I would go, maybe that's a good thing, dude. Maybe you should try to see how your body's gonna react to this because COVID comes and then suddenly, unceremoniously, they say they cured AIDS. And I go, this is a humongous event

Starting point is 01:13:03 and you just told us you cured this thing that we were told was uncurable and there's no parades. There's no like whoever did it was walking around getting all this like going on tonight show talking to you know, or go, you know, Jimmy Fallon about this great feat that he did. Nothing, dude. Nothing. There was no discussion on it at all because, you know, then there was going to be this talk about how COVID causes AIDS and I thought that was very interesting. Even with the creation of PrEP, I thought there would be more excitement. Like, oh my God, they created something where you're never going to catch AIDS or HIV and nope, it seemed I just heard about it on TV and it was kind of like, oh, no discussion of it at all. If you, if you don't mind, I'd like to talk about prep for a little bit because I have been

Starting point is 01:13:50 Since my return to the to writing about AIDS. I've been focusing quite a lot on the drugs and because the drugs are there Achilles heel because The the theory has failed to explain or predict because the theory has failed to explain or predict anything. I mean, it's not sexually transmitted. If you look at prostitutes, they only test positive if they're also on drugs. There's evidence in the medical literature that it's... They say something like one... It's like for male to female, it's one in a thousand per sexual encounter

Starting point is 01:14:24 with an HIV positive person, uninfected, and it's one in a thousand per sexual encounter with an HIV positive person, uninfected. And it's actually less than that. There's not really any evidence that it's transmissible at all. So basically, the theory has failed to explain or predict. It's been contradicted a bunch of times, quietly if you look online you will see that they don't refer to HIV disease so much as a low T cell disease but as a disease of massive inflammation. And that is a big red flag to me because inflammation is a lot

Starting point is 01:15:00 more like autoimmunity and that would make some sense especially if you're talking about people with this excess antibody production because their systems are so stressed from whatever. I mean certainly if this is something that's somewhat genetically related which the demographics hint to me that it is, there's probably a good reason why African Americans mount a higher antibody response, and it probably has something to do with the tropical diseases that they've grown up with, growing up on that continent. It just makes sense. Also, they have darker skin because they don't need to absorb as much vitamin D from the sun, that sort of thing. So I like to talk about the drugs because that's the only reason that we're under this spell, that HIV causes AIDS and we've managed to fix it with these drugs, and that is demonstrably not true.

Starting point is 01:16:02 I mentioned the 10 to 40 percent of these people are immunological non-responders. So even if their viral load is undetectable, they're still not well. But also here's something that probably a lot of people don't know. In the United States and in most of the world there's a couple of African countries where there's very high uptake of drugs. But in almost every country only about 70% of HIV positive individuals are on treatment at all. And so my question, and so then you add in the immunological non-responders, where is the giant 1980s style AIDS epidemic? Where is it? It's just not here. So well, are we talking about in Africa? isn't that the whole thing like everyone's got it Well, it's certainly more prevalent in Africa. However, the population of Africa has you know

Starting point is 01:16:55 skyrocketed over the last Four decades, so I'm not sure how much damage AIDS can be doing also something that you may not know is that in a lot of African countries you don't even need to test to test positive. They have something called the Bangui definition where you can be diagnosed based on symptoms and there are things like you know diarrhea for more than a month or something or elevated fever. It's like super yeah I don't know if that's the case anymore. I think they're pretty good at getting test kits to people. But I mean, the whole thing. That's kind of like that when that doctor asked you,

Starting point is 01:17:30 are you good? Yeah. It was just what, if he wanted you to give him the right answer to be like, okay, you got it. Oh yeah. Ask her what she thinks was going on there. So I'd say about eight years ago, I wasn't feeling good and my girlfriend was like, go down and

Starting point is 01:17:48 get a blood test. And I was like, okay. For what? I don't know. I forget what the thing was, but she wanted me to get a blood test or I went there to get checked and they wanted to give me a blood test. I don't know, but my girlfriend told me to go to this one clinic that I would go, this walking clinic

Starting point is 01:18:06 near my house. So I go in there and I'm sitting there and they're like, we're gonna do blood work on you. I'm like, okay, go for it. And I'm sitting there waiting for blood work and then this doctor came in, he walked right up to me, he goes, I gotta ask you something. I go, what?

Starting point is 01:18:21 He goes, are you gay? I go, no. Why? He goes, are you gay? I go, no, why? He goes, okay, and he walked out. And I was just like, is that one legal? Are you legally allowed to ask people that question? Cause you would know what to test. Oh, okay. He would know what to test,

Starting point is 01:18:43 he didn't even have to ask you if anything. What do you mean? Well, a lot of the time, they will ask you those questions when they give you the HIV test and if there's any sort of like, is it borderline like, you know, maybe we're not sure if it's positive or not, like we only got one of the 10 bands or something, they will use your, you know, self-confessed risk group status to push that to a yes or a no. Whoa! That is crazy! It probably has other sicknesses as well.

Starting point is 01:19:12 Because you got a weird vibe off of it when he was asking it, right? No, it was very creepy. It was like straight out of a movie, creepy-ass question. Right. That is creepy. Are you gay? I was like, dude, are you hitting on me right now? What are we doing right here? No, get out of here. He was probably trying to figure out if he should give you an HIV test. Yeah. No, but I did get the test because they came back, you know, Gareth Reynolds has the best joke about waiting for your HIV test. Like every time the phone rings you're like, no, I got AIDS, right? So you know, so we were, and then they say, hey, no, you don't got anything. Then again, you get tests while you get, when you get health and life insurance. So yeah, that's super interesting.

Starting point is 01:19:54 You know, it's the worst one. I just went in, like I said, blood work and they're like, Hey, do you want to get tested for STDs? I'm like, yeah, I'm already here, whatever. I'm at work. I missed the phone call and they hit me with a, Hey, you need to call us back. My life flashed. Instead of him saying, hey, you're negative, give me a call back though. No, he left me with, this is your doctor, I need you to call me back whenever you get a chance. And I'm mid shift. I can't even take care of my table

Starting point is 01:20:17 that I was serving at the moment in time because I'm like, yo, I think I have something, I need to go get tested. I wanting to cry and the shift. I want to go tell my manager. I was like, I need to, I need to go call the doctor. He's like, go handle. But it literally those two seconds of that moment in life, I was like, whoa. So, so when I saw at the height of COVID, I just come back from Wisconsin doing this gig and for some reason, and if he listens, I do love you, it's okay.

Starting point is 01:20:44 doing this gig and for some reason, and if you listen, I do love you, it's okay. But for some reason or her, I don't know who it was, emailed me that they had had COVID and they just wanted me to know that they had did a meet and greet with me and they wanted to let me know. So I freaked out because now there's a paper trail and you know, we were in the middle of COVID and we didn't know what was gonna happen. And I'm like, can I get sued? Because I was told that I was near somebody with COVID and I didn't go get tested.

Starting point is 01:21:13 So, I mean, I tell everybody in my house, I was, at the time I lived with my kids, it was my kids, the mother of my children and the babysitter. And she was having to be there because she was either getting, I forget the exact why she was there at that time, but she was there.

Starting point is 01:21:34 And I had to go to each one of them and tell them that I had COVID. Well, no, I want to tell them. So I go down, I get tested. They take this long thing and it just BAM jam it I'm like, what is that? And this was early on dude They were talking about you was gonna take forever to get tested by the time I got home

Starting point is 01:21:54 Which was about 15 minutes later I get a call from the clinic that I got the test at and dude this guy answered Like when I answer and when I answered the, this guy talked to me like it was a funeral. He goes, man, I don't know how to tell you this, but you have COVID. You have COVID. I'm so sorry. I'm like, how did you get that?

Starting point is 01:22:21 I literally go, I go to myself, how did he get that test so quickly? So here's the thing. So I get told I'm positive for COVID. I have to go tell everybody, everybody's freaking out. My brother, who is like at the time, was the most scared person of COVID. He just happened to be driving in the town to see me from Phoenix, Arizona. He walks into the house.

Starting point is 01:22:46 I go, Jay, I have to tell you something. He goes, what's up? I go, I have COVID and dude, his face dropped the color in his skin. Drop, drop hand to God. He goes, he starts moving around like a broken robot, like short circuiting, he doesn't know what to do. He walks through my living room, out the door, into my car and drives to New York.

Starting point is 01:23:10 He drives right to New York, right? Everybody in the house gets tested. Nobody has COVID. Do you know the only person who got tested and had COVID? My brother. That's so funny. That's, it's the crazy-

Starting point is 01:23:24 I have- No, no, no, no, he even went to New York and he didn't have COVID. Nobody had COVID. Nobody got COVID. He went to New York and nobody got COVID. Sorry to cut you off right there. Oh, you're fine. I have an actually a very interesting story about the COVID tests. This is- it's a tangent so I can go on it or not if you want to. We're down for whatever. This episode has been great. Thank you. So when COVID started, my parents, so my parents were living in Ontario in like this tiny little cottage country and they decided that they wanted to buy a winter home in Texas. So they purchased a house around the corner from us and they

Starting point is 01:24:05 came down and they came down right about when the whole COVID thing was in the news and there it was hitting Italy and all of the stuff and everybody was really scared. My husband and I were just like, yeah, this is going to be another Zika. It's just going to go away. And my parents were terrified of this. My father had Parkinson's disease and I had been told since then that the fear-mongering and the social isolation was really detrimental to people who had neurological disorders and I can certainly say that's true with my dad. But after about a month, my mother kind of figured out that this is complete bullshit. She started to trash Fauci all the time, all this stuff,

Starting point is 01:24:46 but they had to leave. So they were in Texas when it hit and then they had to leave because they were closing the border down. And so they hightailed it back to Canada and we're sort of here and everything's shut down in Texas. It wasn't shut down for that long. Actually, I think, I think by summer, everything was pretty much at 2020, everything was pretty much opened up again. pretty much, 2020, everything was pretty much opened up again. I didn't, I never had any COVID symptoms for the longest time. I, but I had to get tested because my dad had Parkinson's and in 20, in fall of 2021 he was getting much much worse and my mom said you need to come up because he, you know, I don't know how long he's gonna be here. So I had my daughter with me who was too young to be vaccinated.

Starting point is 01:25:29 I had to take the vaccine to enter the country. I had no choice because I am no longer a Canadian resident. So we get there, we go to the border, there's nobody there. It was like dead quiet, absolutely nobody there, which is crazy. Like every time I've ever been to the border, it was, you know, lines stretching over the bridge for ages. They pull us back and they give my daughter and I COVID tests and they give me a test kit and say,

Starting point is 01:25:55 you need to test again on day eight, which was the day we were planning on leaving. Okay, so we go to Canada, it's crazy. Everybody's wearing masks everywhere, all of this stuff. And dad seems to be sort of doing better for a while, and I go home. Okay, fast forward to July 2022, I find out that dad's fallen and he's in the emergency room, but they don't have enough beds because it's a cottage town and it's like an eight bed hospital and they've these you know people from out of town who are getting sick or whatever so he was stuck in the lobby and he was given a contraindicated dose of Haldol because he was so anxious and after that dose of Haldol he basically became paralyzed and never got better. But here's where the story goes.

Starting point is 01:26:44 Was Haldol due? What does that... It's an anti-psychotic, but I think it's supposed to calm people down who are having a psychotic episode, because he was trying to climb the walls or whatever. I wasn't there, so I don't exactly know what happened. I know that the doctor who gave the Haldal, my mother's got him in some sort of legal trouble in Canada. He's probably just gonna get a slap on the wrist. But anyways, it's never ever to be given to a dementia patient. That's the takeaway you have to get from that. Anyway, a few days later, I get this call from my sister and she says, Dad's tested positive for COVID. And my mother, it turned out that the hospital policy was total isolation for 10 days. And my mother said, this is going to kill him.

Starting point is 01:27:26 We can't do this. And the only way to not do this was to admit him into palliative care, which basically is the end of the line. And at that point, it was clear he was in kidney failure. His urine was black or whatever. So I'm still in Texas at the time. I go back up with my daughter. I enter the hospital.

Starting point is 01:27:46 My sister comes running out of the room. She's in full PPE. There's like a big stop sign, caution sign outside the door. Okay. She comes up to me. She goes, you got to get Miriam. That's my daughter. She said, you got to get Miriam out of here. She's an unvaccinated minor and health Canada has been calling us. So apparently health Canada had been calling my mother's house and my sister's house because dad tested positive on a PCR test, but he was asymptomatic. Okay. He was so I go up there with my daughter. Holy cow. So my daughter gets sent off to my sister's house. She's going to go stay there with my, you know, her cousins or whatever. And I was going to stay with my, my youngest sister. So there's two older, there's two younger sisters. I'm the oldest. Um, I also have an older half sister, but she wasn't involved.

Starting point is 01:28:26 Anyways, so when a patient is in palliative care, you don't actually have to wear PPE in the room, but we would have to put it on and then go into the room and then take it off, right? And after a while- What's a PPE? Is that a hazmat suit? It's protective equipment.

Starting point is 01:28:44 Yeah, it's the mask, the gloves, the gown, the whole thing. Oh my, dude, we're gonna look back on it and go, what were we doing? We're already doing that. But, you're right, we're there. The story gets crazier though. The story really gets crazier. So we basically ditched the PPE. After the first few days, I was like, you know, crap, dad needs to see my face and all of this stuff. And he's getting worse and worse and worse. He never, after the hell doll, he was basically paralyzed. He never moved again. And then he eventually just stopped taking water. He

Starting point is 01:29:15 would refuse it. And he didn't take water for five days. I don't know how he survived. Anyways, we're in this tiny little room with this supposed COVID patient. It's not ventilated. Nobody's wearing any protective gear. None of us get sick. And I had, here's the interesting thing. I had been involved in this antibody study for Texas because they wanted to see, you know, natural versus vaccine acquired antibodies or whatever.

Starting point is 01:29:41 And I'd had three blood draws. And I remember at the time thinking, I'm really sad that the antibody study is over because I'd really like to see what my antibodies look like. I didn't get COVID from my dad. So maybe I already had it. Because I knew the vaccine didn't do crap, right? I took the vaccine knowing that it wouldn't help me and knowing there was a possibility it could really hurt me. And it was a calculated risk I took because I wanted to be with my dad and Yeah, luckily I've had no no negative effects. So Yeah, I only took the initial one I never took a booster One of my relatives has had all the boosters and was just diagnosed with myocarditis. So there you have it

Starting point is 01:30:19 anyways, so Eventually, you know I had had it's where my parents live is like it's very hard to get to You can take three days to drive there You can take two days and you'll like fly to you know, Toronto If you want to go into Canada or Detroit, which is what I choose to do and then rent a car and drive the rest Of the way, so it takes two days even if you're flying to get there. So I We had to leave dad was still with us I have no idea why I I wasn't going to be able

Starting point is 01:30:47 to stay for a funeral. It turned out he died the next morning while I was waiting for the airplane. And that was horrible. Pete Slauson Yeah, sorry for your loss. Anna Winkler Flight attendant offered me wine at 10 in the morning. I'm like, that's very sweet of you, but it's bitterly. Pete Slauson Yeah. Anna Winkler Oh, I get home. So here's the interesting thing. I get home, and I get a text from Texas Cares saying,

Starting point is 01:31:10 oh, we're extending our antibody study. Can you come in for a fourth blood draw? I'm like, hell yeah. I want to see what happens. No natural antibodies. I never. So they assumed I didn't get sick because I must have had COVID in the past.

Starting point is 01:31:23 Nope. I was in this room for 10 days with a supposed COVID patient who is not being given antivirals. I should have had COVID. I mean, I feel like it's an anecdote, but I feel like that's a pretty powerful anecdote. No, 100%.

Starting point is 01:31:38 Yes. I mean, we just did, you know, we do a comedy show on the road and I was with a good friend of mine named Eddie Bravo. And he was just talking about all these times they've tried to isolate a virus, put in a new host, and they never saw infection. And it's just really crazy to me, man.

Starting point is 01:31:57 It's just really crazy that there's people out there that you say are worker bees and I totally respect that. But just like the powers that be with all the money and cash, they just don't care about lying. It's just so crazy to me. And the whole thing kicks off because we see these videos out of China of people falling. And we're like, oh, you're going to get COVID and fall.

Starting point is 01:32:19 It never happens. Well, you need a dramatic visual. And they had that with AIDS too, with Kaposi's sarcoma. I think everybody remembers that movie with Tom Hanks, Philadelphia, where he finds like a sarcoma lesion. And so yes, you need a really strong visual to scare people immediately. And it's funny because Kaposi sarcoma is not even considered to be caused by HIV anymore. It's considered to be caused by a herpes virus. So it was useful at the time. So let's put it that way. I wanna get into that

Starting point is 01:32:47 because we have a little debate on the show. So we never saw people falling until the vaccine. And now we see all these videos of people, their hearts just stopping and they just kind of drop. And then, you know, this is a totally different subject, but the discussion of of what the COVID vaccine and the COVID procedures did in China and the amount of people that may no longer be with us, the numbers are staggering.

Starting point is 01:33:15 They talk about their population might be a fourth of what everybody or a third of what everybody thinks it actually is. It's absolutely shocking. And all that was done because you just had these things, they kick it off with this super dramatic stuff. And that's a big part of the internet too. If someone gets stabbed in Cincinnati, you start thinking it might be happening on the corner in Texas or in Los Angeles.

Starting point is 01:33:41 It's like these television, especially when it went to the 24 hour news cycle, and then the internet are trauma deliverance systems. So if we're going to talk about AIDS and COVID, and I'm going to get a little conspiratorial here. I do think COVID was planned. Okay, I'm not sure AIDS was planned, but I think it was greatly taken advantage of the fact that they had just developed this technology to count T cells. You know, it coincided with, you know, this gay liberation and, you know, some of these fast lane gay men took that as, you know, open season to, to you know just act as crazy as possible and I mean carry boys will be boys well I mean it's interesting because you know

Starting point is 01:34:33 carry mollis said this he said he said this is not anti-gay it's not God's wrath or anything like that if you take a number of you know highly mobile you know homosexual men who are you know having sex with hundreds and hundreds of people. The immune system is like a camel. You cannot keep adding those straws to the camel's back. It's going to break. You don't need any virus to explain that at all. But like I said, the definition of AIDS has been slyly changed. They still do count T cells, but it's really considered to be an inflammatory condition, which is interesting because I had mentioned the protease inhibitors. And if you're, you know, as old as me, you probably remember when the protease inhibitors

Starting point is 01:35:16 came out in the 90s and everybody was like, oh, this is finally going to fix things. Everybody's, you know, this is a great miracle drug. Well, turned out not to be. People were getting heart problems. They're having these horrible fat redistribution, lipodystrophy sort of things. They kind of quietly stopped prescribing the protease inhibitors. Now, these drugs are usually given as a combination of two or three medications. At the beginning, you probably are aware in 87, they treated it with AZT monotherapy, AZT being a failed cancer chemotherapeutic whose job was to kill cells. And so a lot of the people that died in the 80s and

Starting point is 01:35:51 early 90s like Arthur Ashe, for example, were victims of AZT. Okay. So AZT, here's the interesting thing. AZT is what's known as a nucleoside reverse transcriptase inhibitor, which is a bunch of nonsense. And it's a fancy way of saying that it terminates DNA synthesis because it acts like an amino acid that's going to close the loop. Okay, so the idea is like it's very much like chemotherapy. Let's see if we can kill as many cells that harbor HIV as possible without killing the patient. Okay, so then they come up with the protease inhibitors, but they're still using the nucleoside reverse transcripthase inhibitors, but they're still using the nucleotide reverse transcriptase inhibitors. And even today, those drugs in the same class as AZT are the backbone of anti HIV treatments, but they've added in the drug they've used to replace the protease inhibitor is something called an integrase inhibitor, which targets a certain enzyme. But here's the thing that's about integrase inhibitors that's interesting. They're potent anti-inflammatories. So, I think a lot of the time they're saying

Starting point is 01:36:48 the quiet part out loud. It's so easy to find the truth. I mean, literally all you have to do is read their papers. Like we haven't talked about PrEP yet. PrEP is this idea that, you know, since we don't have a vaccine, we're gonna give HIV negative people anti-HIV drugs to prevent them from seroconverting or going from negative to positive. And there's other,

Starting point is 01:37:12 this came out in 2011 and it didn't really start to hit the mainstream until like maybe 2018, 2019. And so when you're on these drugs, you have to be tested every three months I think to see if you haven't zero converted. Well what happens if you have zero converted? Well they just give you more drugs so you retained in care for a lifetime. Negative or positive. But I mean it gets it gets crazier than that because now they're fine. Okay so if you look at the papers, let me backtrack a little bit. It used to be on the advertisements, those horrible television advertisements and various print advertisements, they would say PrEP is greater than 99% effective. Well, that is bullshit and I can prove it because I have gone over the I-PREC study and some of the other PrEP studies

Starting point is 01:38:06 in the I-PREP study and some of the other prep studies with a fine-tooth comb and basically what happened is is that on prep I think there was like 30% of people contracted it versus not on prep It was 60% so it wasn't 90% effective, but what they did was they said oh well these people that seroconverted They weren't taking enough prep and so their adherence wasn't good enough. So they tossed that variable out and didn't even include it. So basically they'll say PrEP failures are rare. First of all, the clinical trials showed nothing close

Starting point is 01:38:37 to a hundred percent efficacy at preventing seroconversion, which if my theory that it's not an infectious disease is true makes perfect sense. which if my theory that it's not an infectious disease is true makes perfect sense. So anyway, they'll say it's greater than 99% effective and they'll say you know the PrEP failures are rare. It is never ever the case that a drug performs better in the wild than it did in clinical trials. Yeah. Like ever. that never happened. And the reason why they say prep failures are rare,

Starting point is 01:39:07 and I looked this up as well, is that anytime anybody wasn't perfectly adherent, they don't consider that as them being on prep. So it's completely fudged, the data are completely fudged. That's like when they get you on insurance or something, or a warranty. Oh, you didn't do this perfectly, your policy, you can't cancel your warranty.

Starting point is 01:39:26 That happened a little bit. One of my friends had a full warranty on his car. But since the dealership didn't change the windshield wipers, it didn't cover his warranty. That is insanity. Yeah, they were charging him like $80 to change the windshield wipers. He's like, I can do this at AutoZone.

Starting point is 01:39:42 He did it when his car broke down. He was like, hey, I paid for the warranty. And they're like, well, we told you to do everything at the dealership. I think he's gonna get it because he kinda got a lawyer. But it's this thing where they will fight you for anything. If you don't do it the way they say, your warranty is voided.

Starting point is 01:39:55 Absolutely ridiculous. All right, so I'm gonna ask you a question that I'm nervous to hear the answer to. We debate this a lot on the show. So, do you think they've ever isolated a virus? You're on Tim Fall hat. Well, first you have to define isolate, right? What I've been told isolation is is that they

Starting point is 01:40:27 Johnny shut up so you you you you let's say you take a petri dish or whatever and you Put the blood sample in there a tissue sample and you're able to Completely get rid of everything else Down to the virus then you take that virus out you put it in you take you basically take it out of a host put it in petri dish clean everything out take that virus out of the petri dish isolated put it in another host and it has the same exact reaction then you take that out of another host of that host do the same thing clean it all up so it's isolated down to a virus and take it and put it into a Another host and have it happen the same exact results. Um well

Starting point is 01:41:13 I'm loathe to really tip to answer this because my my answer is a cop out. I don't my answer is I don't know Okay, I'll take it. I focus I focus on HIV. I know I'm very, very familiar with the whole no virus idea. I've been on Sam Bailey's podcast. I think that they do really good work. So here's what I like to say, and people ask me this about HIV, but this applies to many other viruses as well. I'm trying to think about how to phrase this effectively. Okay, so some people will say to me, I get the idea that you think

Starting point is 01:41:53 HIV exists because of the way that you talk about it. Do you think HIV exists? And some of them get, you know, very belligerent and, you know, say, you have to tell me you don't believe HIV exists. And I say, look, you can never prove non-existence. It is not possible. The best you can do is have a preponderance of evidence against a particular theory, which the Perth group, they're no longer really a group anymore because Eleni Papadopoulos, Iliopoulos, who is sort of that head of that whole group, she passed away.

Starting point is 01:42:27 See, I told you, all of these AIDS critics passed away during COVID. I'm glad I'm still alive. I'm glad you're alive too. Anyways, so what I would say about HIV is that it has never been isolated nor proven to exist as an exogenous retrovirus. I think, probably, and I don't know what to say about other viruses. My husband, he's a mathematician, but he also has a horticulture degree. You guys are great.

Starting point is 01:42:54 He talks about plant viruses a lot. I don't know, I'm not, I mean, you define, I think that there are, I think that our body produces endogenous retroviruses all the time and probably HIV is one of them. So the question is, you know, I mean, we're swimming in a sea of bacteria and virus-like particles and all sorts of stuff. You know, we have mites living on our eyelashes and that kind of thing. So, I would not say something like I don't think viruses exist because I do think that they're, you know, yeah, I'm gonna say I don't know.

Starting point is 01:43:35 Okay, I respect that and I do, I'm a lot closer to that, Johnny, than you think. I do think there's something there. I just don't think it's this. Oh my god, breathe it in and I get sick. And that was in a room with you for 90 minutes. Johnny, I want to talk about that because you brought that up. I also want to say this to you is that the day before and you are, you might've been there too, where you said you've been doing a lot of editing and you're super tired. Oh no, I think I probably wouldn't have gotten it if I hadn't been there too, where you said you've been doing a lot of editing and you're super tired. And you're good. Oh no, I think I probably wouldn't have gotten it

Starting point is 01:44:07 if I hadn't been sleepy, but I got it from you. So I think it's, and this is a totally different side we get into. Your immune system's weak, or when you don't sleep. Yeah, I think it's that you had a weak immune system from anxiety, doing a lot of work and doing all that, and we appreciate your work. But that did happen.

Starting point is 01:44:23 When Dana and I got sick. It was when taxes had to get done and we were way behind and we were freaking out and like, getting it done and how much we're gonna pay. So our anxiety, we weren't getting good sleep and I don't know, we call it baby aids here. We call it baby aids. But you know, our daughters who know what they had

Starting point is 01:44:44 and I think we just all kick it off on each other. I'm not gonna get into the. We call baby aids, but you know our daughters who know what they they had and I think we just all kick it off on each other. I'm not gonna get into the there is this thing that's going that I mean, what was Dana Thomas? They called it earlier razor throat Razor cut or something great. Yes. I heard about the razor blade throat thing that scares about covid again um I had Preparing for talking to you while I had listened to a couple of your podcasts and the one that I really was interested in was the one about snake venom. Yes.

Starting point is 01:45:10 A very close friend of ours, he completely subscribes to the theory that COVID was snake venom in the water. And in skies too. I think they spray it. Yeah. Oh, really? Okay. That's interesting.

Starting point is 01:45:23 I don't know where I stand on that. I had COVID at Thanksgiving of 2022. My mother-in-law, she always hosts Thanksgiving and she was one of the most COVID scared people that I've ever met. So she gave us a bunch of tests and she's like, you're sick, so you need to test. So I tested positive. My husband who had the same symptoms tested negative. And she's like, I can't believe you're not doing Thanksgiving this year. But she canceled it the two years before because she was afraid of COVID. And it's crazy how people got out. The kids never got sick. So I don't know what to say about that. Right?

Starting point is 01:45:57 Was it when you had it was symptomatically, was it a novel experience for you? Like, because we had, we lost smell and things that we'd never really had before, like weird. Okay, so I would say for me, I had minimal respiratory symptoms. I would say it was worse than a cold, but not as bad as a flu. I had a fever for three days, which is very unusual for me. I don't tend to mount fevers very often.

Starting point is 01:46:20 I think most grownups don't. So I had a fever for three days. And then I had a few days in, I got the most excruciating muscle pain in my lower back, which my husband also had. And so that was the only thing that was different from anything else. Yeah, so to me, I don't doubt that there is something,

Starting point is 01:46:41 to borrow their phrase, novel, about whatever that was, unique. Yeah, but was it phrase novel about whatever that was unique. Yeah. But was it a toxin? Like, is it a contagious virus? Is it a venom? And then you throw 5G in there. I mean, it comes back to the PCR testing, right? This is an epidemic of testing.

Starting point is 01:46:57 What do you think about at-home testing? What do you think about those COVID tests at home? Do you, I mean, there's there any efficacy at whatever to those? Because I tend to doubt it. Considering the anecdote I just told you about my husband and myself, yeah, I don't really think that they tell you much. No, right? Yeah, it seems like not. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it was just a giant mind effing. That's what I believe it was. And they were preparing it. I think they wanted to see how much they could control us and I think I was actually surprised

Starting point is 01:47:29 at how quickly a lot of people started to rebel. I didn't expect that because it hadn't happened with AIDS. But the difference being of course is that AIDS is this niche thing that only affects certain risk groups. It was never a danger, HIV disease was never a danger to the general population. And that became very clear within a few years, notwithstanding Oprah saying by 1991 and five,

Starting point is 01:47:55 heterosexuals may be dead for AIDS. Yeah, it's crazy. And the numbers that they, Joe Rogan came around on the COVID hoax and stuff, but early on, he was very much scared of it. And he, you know, he had that guest on that just was like, there's gotta be body bags everywhere. And that had a big kickoff to a lot of it, you know?

Starting point is 01:48:18 It's not his fault because, you know, I always say this about Rogan, most of the things that Rogan, where you go, oh, well, he thought this, I would say most people thought that. Most people were in Lyme. It was like this small group of people. Most people did. Yeah, so I don't fault him for that.

Starting point is 01:48:32 Me and my sisters, we caught onto it basically immediately. I'm just cynical about everything, but it sm, it just, it smacked so much of the way that they treated AIDS. And I just, I knew from my background in mathematical biology that lockdowns were not going to work. Like I said, you have to lock down before the pathogens even out of the barn or else it's just, you know, it's, it's too late. But I mean, I remember getting into fights with my husband about lockdowns and he would compare it to like being in a war zone. Like if you're in a war zone, you need to stay inside your house and so this is like March or something and I remember by May I remember him come he's like you were right. That's gotta feel good.

Starting point is 01:49:14 You know it's also you get into like how much favorite words everybody likes to hear. Yeah for sure um but it's also when you get into like oh they want to see how much they could control us The rules were crazy like I can go to a restaurant if I'm sitting down But if I get up I'm in the danger zone And then and then Gavin Newsom was the worst and it's like I mean that just I think it personally destroyed his political Career, I think he just won it back. No, I still think he's done. I think that whole thing. Oh, he's toast. He's toast.

Starting point is 01:49:48 He's gotta be toast. I hope so. But when he was like, hey, you got locked down, you gotta stay home, we can't stop this COVID spread. But at the same time, I'm gonna release all of these prisoners from jail because of COVID. We don't want them to get COVID. You go, how can you hold those two thoughts at one time?

Starting point is 01:50:08 And the truth was that they were setting up the BLM riots. That's exactly what they were doing. I just remember feeling so vindicated, not that I wanted that to happen, but it's like, clearly they don't believe their own narrative, right? Yeah, 100%. Well, I mean, he was at French Laundry, you know.

Starting point is 01:50:22 Yeah, he didn't even close down his own winery. He's such a fraud. But the last thing is this, is like when you talk about AIDS and you talk about COVID, another thing is you talk about AZT and how that was a cancer drug. Now you get into remdesivir, like we were talking about the snake venom,

Starting point is 01:50:40 and like how there's been this concerted effort to blame ventilators for people to dying when I personally believe to stack up the body count to scare people into basically Marxism, I mean, martial law, which to give these powers to the government that they're never gonna give away, they were hitting them with the really toxic remdesivir at the beginning, like the Ebola version that killed 50% of the people that took it when you when you did the blind testing.

Starting point is 01:51:10 We should clarify that point though. That's 50% of people who also had Ebola. It didn't just kill people across the board 50% of the time. The 50% death rate for that was among people who had Ebola. Yeah, but that was versus people that got a placebo that also had Ebola right exactly they all had it but yeah, but To be clear that I looked into that it is those the 50% who died all had Ebola So and the 50% there was a what it did it was worse than that placebo Yeah, but they got Ebola but it had if it was not like you take a random person you give Them rendez-vous and they it's a coin flip whether they live or die Yeah, but it was it was taken off the thing because it was so toxic. Yeah, no it sucks

Starting point is 01:51:53 But I didn't make this drug and they want to make money off of something they invented So now they found and then you had Trump saying I took rem death man Dez of air It's so amazing so powerful and then you're seeing people getting banged with this and then you know for as much as we shit all over the tik-tok nurses there were there were nurses going dude they're hitting him with this remdesivir and it's killing them. What do you think Trump's end of that was? I think Trump is I think he's... Because you know he didn't know what the fuck remdesivir. I don't think he knows any. I think he's I think he's you know, he didn't know what the fuck room He never I don't think he knows any I think he's I think he's just a better speaker than buying

Starting point is 01:52:30 I don't think he's mashed potatoes like buying but I think he I don't think he has a much say as We want to believe he does and I think Something they have something on that. He has to do what they want Yeah, that's where we're at. Man, this was a fire podcast. Fire podcast. I really do think though that, I mean, when you want to talk about malice, I certainly my witnessing of what they did to my father, I, and he was listed as a COVID death by the

Starting point is 01:53:00 way, despite being asymptomatic. That's so crazy. Having Parkinson's. I think that they, I think that they, I really do think that they euthanized a lot of elderly people and called them COVID deaths to pump up the COVID numbers. And Canada, especially Canada would do that because they love to kill people that they can't keep running.

Starting point is 01:53:18 Control. With the medical assistance and dying. This is, okay, this is the logical endpoint of universal healthcare is you can't afford to keep people alive. Yes, good point. People don't understand that you would need to tax people at 75% in order for them to have full healthcare.

Starting point is 01:53:36 Even in Canada, like if you're over 18, you have to get vision and dental insurance privately and prescription drug insurance. There's no free lunch. And so now they've got this medical assistance and dying and they're offering it to like, people who don't even have terminal illnesses. It's like sick. You're like, you don't have enough money to take care of your people. And what's the solution? Well, let's just kill them off. I mean, it's, it's evil.

Starting point is 01:53:59 And the death is like, they think it's like, oh, it's like going to sleep. They're like, no, I forget her name. Apparently it's really violent. Apparently the people are paralyzed and they're basically just going to die. They're drowning. They're drowning. Yeah, it's horrible.

Starting point is 01:54:10 And they're paralyzed. It's horrible. Yeah, no, my sister actually has a friend who took Maid for COPD. It's funny, around that time, there were stories around that time too about people in hospice. They were finding out that far more people than we realized

Starting point is 01:54:24 die of opiate overdose while undergoing palliative care. So I wonder also if around that time though, they were co-administering COVID drugs for people with COVID and opioids and overdosing people. I mean, I know the reason that doctor gave my dad the hell doll was because this is a difficult patient Sedate him, you know, we don't I don't want to deal with the difficult patient Who cares if he's you know paralyzed and basically is locked in until he dies. But anyway, it's crazy Rebecca this has been an absolute all-time banger. Yes. Thank you so much. I love it. I have a couple friends I'm gonna send it to see if they'll actually listen to it.

Starting point is 01:55:06 Rebecca, one more time, can you tell us where they can find you? And is there a certain place you want them to go to find your books? Oh, well, I mean, Amazon, I guess. So my book, The Real AIDS Epidemic, which was published in 2023, that came about because I had been cited in Bobby

Starting point is 01:55:26 Kennedy's big book on Fauci several times and they wanted to republish, science sold out with a new forward and an afterwards. So it's quite a bit, almost twice as long as the original. So that book is called The Real AIDS Epidemic. You can get it on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, those sorts of places. It's also available as a Kindle. I have a little mini ebook called the Truvada and PrEP Disaster. And we didn't even get into the whole Truvada lawsuits. There's 26,000 person class actions lawsuit against Gilead. For PrEP and for ARVs. Truvada is an NRTI, a Nucleoside Reverse Transcriptase for PrEP and for ARVs. Truvada is an NRTI,

Starting point is 01:56:03 Nucleoside Reverse Transcriptase inhibitor. Oh my, it's just so, I wish people, I mean, you bring this stuff up to gay people, they get so offended. I knew somebody got it. Well, a lot of them, it's funny because a large portion of my audience are gay men who have woken up, and they all say the same thing.

Starting point is 01:56:23 They say, these guys, they're in some sort of a Stockholm syndrome with their medical providers because they take all the vaccines, everything. Like they're just completely like retained in care, always going to the doctor. And, you know, he kind of sees it as like a brainwashing sort of a thing. And so-

Starting point is 01:56:41 Conformity for sure. It's very weird how this kind of outlaw lifestyle for a very long time has been co-opted by conformity. Like they can't conform enough. Like everything is conformity. That's also suggesting the people they've lost, you know, were lost in vain. Well yeah, that's the scary thing.

Starting point is 01:57:00 Like we lost so many people in the AIDS epidemic and that changes to I've had so many my friends Massacred by the government pharmaceuticals. That's a different but you know, what's crazy about the people that take prep They actually party really hard anybody that I know that's on prep I'm anybody that I know some prep they're not taking it because they're they're significant other has HIV. It's cuz they want to rock out the world That was a point of PrEP. If you watch the commercial, it tells you.

Starting point is 01:57:26 Yeah, we know what PrEP is. Yeah, it tells you, it's like, did you fall in love with the significant other? And I literally was like, I thought you were single to one of my gay friends. And he just looked at me and he's like, that's why you think we take it? And I was like, oh, that is not the purpose of this.

Starting point is 01:57:38 Well, that's not why they made it. Xavier Guerrero, we're back. Xavier Guerrero. I get what you're saying there. They're not like backstopping condoms with that. Yeah, that's not like an emergency. They found their new condom. That's their new condom. I just I'm just on prep now. It's crazy. It's crazy. So those are my books. Okay. Thank you. It's available as a Kindle. And then but the main place where you would want to find me is my sub stack, which I share with

Starting point is 01:58:02 a writer named Nia Ostrom, who writes a lot about chronic fatigue syndrome, which we sort of, it's interesting because it came out around the same time as AIDS, but mostly affects women and it has a lot of the same sort of immunological oddities that AIDS has. So it's the two of us and it's the Substack is also called the real AIDS epidemic, but the URL is just my name, Rebecca K call Shaw Smith dot sub stack.com. Okay. I'll make sure that that's all in the description.

Starting point is 01:58:30 I do podcasts. I do live streams. I do some writing, like a mix of everything. So well, if you ever have anything else you ever want to talk about, you have an open door, you can come back anytime. Thank you. And we appreciate you hanging out with us. And, uh, this was one of my favorite episodes ever.

Starting point is 01:58:46 So thank you so much. Let's break down the episode. Hi, I'm Chris Gaththerd, and I'm very excited to tell you about Beautiful Anonymous, a podcast where I talk to random people on the phone. I tweet out a phone number, thousands of people try to call, talk to one of them, they stay anonymous.

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Starting point is 01:59:10 Beautiful Anonymous. All right. Let's get into it guys. Rebecca Klaus Shaw Smith came and dropped the hammer of the gods on us. Thoughts boys. You didn't call our dude that time. I did not. I did not.

Starting point is 01:59:22 I did not. I did not. I did not. I did not. I did not. I did not. Rebecca Claus Shaw Smith came and dropped the hammer of the gods on us. Nice. Thoughts boys? You didn't call our dude that time. I did not. I did not.

Starting point is 01:59:30 I'm so sorry. He was like, got that name dude. Hey, what's up bro? That was so good man. I like how Johnny remembered that. So many bombs dropped and uh... That's what Johnny wants to bring up. But I called our female guest a dude.

Starting point is 01:59:50 Thank you Johnny. That's really nice. On the AIDS episode too. On the AIDS episode, Johnny! That is disgusting. How dare you! That was the AIDS of the AIDS episode at that moment. I'm gonna get on social media and issue an apology. Yeah, dude. Dude, I mean

Starting point is 02:00:10 That this type of show is what this shows about. Yes. This is dangerous dangerous This is dangerous dangerous and it's like it's important stuff Yeah important. Yeah is important cuz you know I just want you guys to be able to have tools to make decisions for your body and health. And maybe this fits into it. And I'm sorry, guys, the science isn't settled. Scientists aren't gods when medical malpractice is the second or third leading killer in the country. And that is not that they did something and it just didn't work.

Starting point is 02:00:44 That's that they made the wrong decision and you died. Yeah. Like they, if they had not intervened, that person is still alive. Yes. That's what that is. So that's what I'm done. So it's like, I mean, like, I just want to send this to Brian Callen and watch his head explode. Just watch his head. You just won't. You can't, you can't know that he won't it's like she's a kook or something like yeah Yeah, show me your her publish. Yeah, I was a doctor and she's a Biological mathematician I've never met And her and her hub is probably smarter than us three. Yes. Yeah

Starting point is 02:01:21 Biological he's no he's a herba herba Herbivore yeah he's a herbo that's what you're supposed to jump in with whatever they deal with like plants right like herba herbicides yeah that's how they know without touch that shows how smart how much smarter they are he knows we can't even he's a plantatist. He's definitely not a carnivore. He's got a real green thumb. You know, that's a dude. Fucking plant nerd. They're so smart we can't even pronounce their name. We had two people on today, so insanely smart yeah they gotta be like she enjoyed it yeah much more than the other guys just like okay we've done this for an hour goodbye I'm sorry slummin!

Starting point is 02:02:19 great that was great um but yeah dude I mean that was some deep shit, you know what I like She didn't I'm giving us an answer. She gave us an I don't know. Yeah, I like that Sticking with one thing or do hey, I know they want to hear this did that to me is the the mmm, the Johnny whatever you're about to say, I'm gonna boo right now I don't think so That to me is the The first trait you can look for when you're trying to find someone that's shooting straight with you

Starting point is 02:02:53 Is that they're willing to say I don't know about important issues rather than just giving you an answer because that's the the Accepted, you know the generally accepted thing. I that's the accepted, the generally accepted thing? I think, I try, I go, I don't know, but if you're asking me, this is what I feel, but again, everything changes. Some doubt, you have some doubt. I mean, anything is possible, right?

Starting point is 02:03:16 Doubt is a sign of. Anything is possible. And the more data you get, the more your opinions should change, either one way or the other way. you get, the more your opinions should change, either one way or the other way. And you know, she's talking about them excluding data from their findings, like you can't do that. You know, and this is the big problem we're getting into

Starting point is 02:03:39 with a lot of these debates that are happening on the internet, a lot just of social discussions, is when meanie facts or meanie data gets introduced to the conversation, they just shut down, because they don't want to hear it, because being right is more important than doing right, and doing right is being open-minded to new data coming in.

Starting point is 02:04:02 Like if she would have said, yeah, I've seen viruses in a microscope, I go, okay, now there's some more data I'm open-minded to, okay. Great example, Lil Season. First guy comes out, we're in the middle of Lil Season. I'm like, oh man, we're in the middle of Lil Season. And then, what was his name, Ed Mabry?

Starting point is 02:04:24 Ed Mabry, yeah, our friend. Comes comes in goes all this stuff blah blah blah blah blah That and then you know where in little sees I go okay now it's I'm leaning towards It's not the little season you got to answer great new knowledge If you don't you're just sticking your you have to be open-minded you can't there You know, it's kind of like this thing with this Joe Rogan clip that went viral for me Predicting and I know Johnny's made jokes is Sam talking more about him being right or the fact that I was talking okay you're an asshole but the point is is that like the the biggest criticism of that of that clip is that the riots didn't

Starting point is 02:04:58 happen in 2024 and I would tell you that like you get in the dangerous positions when you start laying down dates I mean how many times we've seen that with cult leaders were like on May 17th 2023 the aliens will go and they like by May 21st. She's like, oh dude. I am in deep shit I mean we had someone on last week who told us that by what today right we were yeah things are gonna be I know and I love shit for sure sure but I love Shepherd I never get in the dates because nothing goes according to plan yeah and I think you would have told him that then I just don't do dates dude and I said the election cycle I was wrong and I probably won't do that again

Starting point is 02:05:39 that's not really it's not a date either though it's just a time frame like hey it's six and a half months later which is fine. I mean like, and I don't think that- You're not full psychic, no one said you're like full. I've said that I'm psychic. Full time? I thought you were part time, I thought you said there's a little in you.

Starting point is 02:05:54 I do it part time, but my brain is constantly churning out predictions. It's a super computer. Yeah, I am a super computer that has some really broken programs. You haven't updated your computer as a thing. Yeah Updates for this stuff. It's just this is the way the brain works and it can't pronounce people's names and it's it's functionally illiterate That's how it goes, but it's a supercomputer of psychic pick of psychic predictions

Starting point is 02:06:21 That's how we go, bro Bang bang bang, bang dude. Yeah it's like really so I thought was great I'm open-minded to it. I find it very you know she's she's really like nailed it when she talked about how all these you know anti-COVID people can't be anti-aids. They just can't do it and they can't get to that place because it was so ingrained into them. And then we saw all the deaths and it's like, you know, I can explain that to you.

Starting point is 02:06:54 And it's like, and now she broke down the PCR test. That was incredible. You know, it's like, imagine, imagine you're like, hey dude, you go, hey ma'am, my house is clean and you're like no There's some dust. No, dude. I can't see any dust We'll use this PCR test and you come in now your house is just full mud because they magnified it six 60,000 times you don't have a house anymore. Yeah 100% That's how crazy that was. I mean dude, I am so right so often.

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Starting point is 02:08:43 She was like, dude, It's just that whole thing about like if you're a hot chick you can jump Social economics ladders easier than any other human being in the plant on the planet And the problem with these chicks that do these these sugar babies these sidekicks Is that they never spend their money the way they should she was getting ten thousand dollars a month from her Sugar daddy which and this was back in the 80s. So that meant something ten thousand dollars a month, right? Which still means something no it does it does

Starting point is 02:09:19 Do you see the new thing that said there's no state in the country that you can live comfortably for less than for $80,000 that is devastating What's I mean what's comfortable that 80th I mean I Don't know what I mean it starts to getting out what was considered comfortable You can like pay for everything without worrying too much. Okay your needs I guess I don't know but that no listen if you're broke And you want a house move to Detroit? I mean you can get a house for a dollar dude I send you these houses all the time that pop up that I'm just like oh god I gotta get out of this town I'm trying to figure it out so yeah anywhere not here in New York it's mostly fine honestly yeah I mean San

Starting point is 02:10:03 Francisco San Francisco is expensive you're like why you guys used to be great now it's like I get to walk in a human poop no it's every it's people being tricked into moving there is what it is the only ones great the only one Sam likes that's technically like that is San Diego that's the only one that you said that you'll that you'll actually go to that if money wasn't a problem I would move to San Diego quit stand-up comedy and just never leave the beach. I was like watching I was watching the Dodgers versus Padres and Dude, imagine playing baseball in San Diego. That's your job. I

Starting point is 02:10:38 Mean, is there any other better place? I mean LA really hot. San Diego is always body temperature. They can get warm there too. But yeah, you're no, you're right. It is that area around the same. That was getting kind of weird. I think so. Well, yeah, I've been there a few times. The problem with San Diego is what happens everywhere where it's a great town, rich people move in and then their kids destroy everything. Their kids are like, I have it too easy. I have to help other people. And then they just run that shit into the ground. It's just ridiculous.

Starting point is 02:11:14 Keep going down, keep going down. Johnny, now, Cash Daddy's, you know, we love Howie Dewey. He's such a great guy, absolutely insane human being. How's he been doing? I know I'm doing really good, dude. I'm doing really well. I'd say by all my investments over time, I would say I'm up 10%,

Starting point is 02:11:36 which I think is good on an investment, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah, nah. Johnny's like, I do better. That's all I heard from that. Yeah, yeah. Although it was. Johnny's like, I do better. That's all I heard from that. Yeah, yeah. All through it was like, kind of weak. Like, if you invest $10,000 and you make $1,000,

Starting point is 02:11:53 that's not good, Johnny? Well, I mean, I do. In what time frame? I've just been, you know, me and Howie have been killing it over the past, like, so, like, let me see, okay, on Uber, I am, I'm up 23% on Uberber over which is my largest holding over the past Year or two that's great. Yeah

Starting point is 02:12:11 What do we got we're up on Intel? I got a big chunk of Intel 1718 percent on Intel so for anybody who doesn't know if you follow how you can do better 21% on Nvidia I'm up. She hears the thing for now I think I'm I think I'm up even more my gold investments up 58% But do you guys have like you guys have like an intro video on like where to invest where like is that like it's a real Beginner there's stuff in here. Yeah, it's called cash a podcast And there's a rushing there's a discord and a chat that is just popping all the time Where people are sharing ideas with each other and with how we and get Johnny you're welcome

Starting point is 02:12:49 Thank you, Sam. Thank you. You will you are welcome. Thank you for your ideas my homie invested in detention centers killing it Oh real For the ice ice And he said it to me and I was like oh fucking asshole they come pick him up and he's like I own this everyone wants to do a pellet here by enough that you tell them to leave you alone yeah so cash days go to the page and page run dot com slash cash daddy's chaos twins is coming out I'm so excited. Issue number two, very excited.

Starting point is 02:13:27 Gotta put that on the wall. We gotta put that on the wall. And then, listen, our affiliates are some of the nicest human beings on planet Earth, and they are trying to help you. Like the Live Longer formula, he's crushing it, okay? If you want to get your body right, you got to fight. Like I'm super tired. I have to figure, I'm not tired all the time to the point everyone's telling me I need to

Starting point is 02:13:54 get on TRT because I'm always tired. You should go check your blood. I really don't think you're sleeping. You're supposed to get at least eight hours, dude. No, I mean I get decent. Johnny't get eight hours Johnny You've never been on the road with him. He's got sleep apnea. He is he has he doesn't get it He doesn't get REM sleep. He has own his own Right technology So just bought it. Thank you guys very much It's really hot the company. So no someone just bought it, thank you guys very much. It's really helpful.

Starting point is 02:14:25 Someone bought the company? No, Sohn just bought one of the machines. Buy gold and silver every day, all day. Mineral king, if you know, want to get rid of those parasites, want to make your soil better. I could cure hydrogen brown gas. You need that hydrogen, dude. Go up, Harley Ray, dude.

Starting point is 02:14:42 We're going to work with them either on this podcast or one of my other podcasts gonna get that going candles crystal sage chemical free body took it in between the shows love that and then dude, I can't get shredded dude. I just gotta get shredded Cuz I want to get stretch this kid did acupuncture on my hip and it felt better for a day This kid did acupuncture on my hip and it felt better for a day He was just ah, and it was like and I like those needles in there You know he put his finger right there pressure acupressure Yeah, sorry acupressure and he put in there and it felt good for a day Like a full 24 hours. Yeah It was crazy dude, so get in shape

Starting point is 02:15:23 It was crazy dude, so get in shape Emf rocks, I gotta call them up dude. I gotta get that shit going Emf rocks, I'm gonna start veridating putting my my phones in bags Prometheus the website I'm telling you if you have a podcast and you're doing well And you you're putting out premium content and you're worried about them taking it from you at some point because you say something they don't like, put it on your own website. Even if you're putting it on Substack, Locals, Twitter, right, even if you're doing that, put it on your own website too because you never know when those things change. Your website stays the same. That's why you got to go to Prometheus, Brainometheus brain supreme I mean dude this guy's crushing it. I love my favorite moment is watching the guest listen to Xavier's question

Starting point is 02:16:13 It's the best you guys can't see but so the second I start talking you can just see Sam What are you gonna freaking say right now? Both you just stare at you going, what are you going to say? Nuked social, all my social media there. Tim Fall hat only conspiracies. Join the Zero. I can't bring back Zero, but I have so many podcasts. Eddie Bravo wants to do a football podcast with me. He's like, let's just talk football. I'm like, okay. We have a sports podcast that you don't do. Not me dude. Not me. Okay. All those podcasts. I gotta get doom scrolling up there. That's been crushing it. Doom scrolling. He can replace Ari on punch drunk. Why don't you just have him replace Ari? Because he only likes football.

Starting point is 02:16:58 Doom scrolling is every Tuesday at 4 p.m. and it has been fire. Did you show up last time? I thought you were there for a second. I'm always on doomsday. I mean it's honestly really entertaining. It's one way you can just like I'll be editing or whatever and then you're just the wheel of doom. The wheel of doom. You don't know what's coming. And we don't know what's coming. I seriously say you'll sometimes sounds mind-blowing and sometimes sounds like all right next one. Because you know they're always like why don't you just put the video I go cuz that's the fun And then people freak out cuz they don't know how the scoring goes. I don't know how it does either

Starting point is 02:17:37 Midnight Mike just is like Scoring system based on these videos what is getting scored? I thought you knew. I'm not, dude we can't tell you it's the secret sauce. Is the video being scored? Like every so every time. The Wheel of Doom scores. So there's like a hundred videos and every time a video plays I don't know how it gets ranked but they give them a certain amount of points for that video and for some reason it always breaks the record. Who gets points? We don't know that's the point, watch the show. Asking questions, okay it's not important. Doom scrolling, Tuesdays, live.

Starting point is 02:18:13 On almost everything. Also if you ever want to catch our live shows we got live we might be doing a live BS coming up We do live on cash daddy slide doom's growing Those are now gonna be available on both Facebook and kick Oh, you know, I just thought of what we should call the tier where you pay a thousand not we should call it smash daddy Someone's gonna want to smash one of you guys now tears now called smash daddy. Yes. There we go So we might have to start doing some live TF H's should we call it hate watch I we have to call something because that's the funniest thing we ever said somebody a couple of people were like you should really just change

Starting point is 02:18:58 BS to hate what do you want to change it to be a well I feel like check to make sure somebody doesn't have that already, you know, someone will click it. So I'll click it Oh, can we call BS aka hate watch too long? Cuz we then we don't get the keywords and you know people it gets cut off. I don't know I like BS. What's the last time someone changed the podcast name mid? I mean Gomez did that with real ass podcast then was Zack Lewis and Zack and then he quit the show What's going on Speaking of shows being torn asunder tower gang, right? Well, it was yeah

Starting point is 02:19:34 They had a fight over of venue situation and then they're just I saw it on Twitter But I thought they made up they did I guess they they I don't know Yeah, cuz I it seemed like yesterday it seemed like what's his name was saying that they weren't dude. They're wild animals They're literally named after wild animals Raven and So it's like no, I think they're a great show. I think they're super important They're fearless say on a good side, so I don't I'd never want to be on the end of that Twitter wrath Yeah, I love them. I think they're great. I think it sucks that that that broke them up, and I hope they have a super successful Festival they don't make out and get it. You know get back together

Starting point is 02:20:16 Yeah, the radio my my I would like I gotta talk to them Why aren't my my other two specials down there? Let me talk to them, but you know all my so there they are all my specials are there six specials for fun You know I'm no Ali sadik, but yeah that dude man. He cranks them out doesn't he dude. He was the best dude He's the best anything else. Oh, yeah, go to the YouTube guys YouTube YouTube I gotta get linked to that. Apparently somebody else is posting them too. Yeah Are you guys also this account? I don't care everyone can post them post them everywhere you want I mean that's where the real account we gotta let them know just tell us that you're posting so we can don't cut out the

Starting point is 02:20:57 Fucking ads and you can post anywhere you want. I mean that's I mean, that's how and retain those big people They're paying Post it you want to make it your own channel post the video make money Just don't take out the ads and I don't care but it ever they're paying people to post Technically if you get a fall Andrew Tate did was he had this um This membership he wanted you to join like join his secret membership Yeah, top G and every person you got to sign up He gave you 50 bucks So, okay, it's kind of like a multi-level marketing kind of thing that's something like that

Starting point is 02:21:37 Yeah, we should do something and he make you he would make them make wheels Make them of his content would make them make reels. Make them? Of his content. He's good at making people do stuff. No, it's like, I'll give you money, but if you make content for me. So he has how many people posting content of his? Oh, it's everywhere.

Starting point is 02:21:51 Yeah, eventually, even though his channel is blocked, everybody's posting it. Listen, if you want to put Tim Full Hat on YouTube or wherever, we don't care. Have fun. You just can't cut the ads and just put it wherever you want and if you make money off it I don't care I really don't care just I need the views actually I'll send you some Oakley's yeah don't forget guys yeah number one podcast and the number one podcast actually marks the spot we're giving away the world's number one podcast number one podcast already number one yeah I beat

Starting point is 02:22:23 Sam look at that right there guys check it out it's great look at that you want One podcast number one podcast already number one. Yeah, I beat Sam Look at that right there guys. Check it out. It's great. Look at that. I want to go snowboarding You want to go deep-sea fishing? It's all Xavier. You're doing great, buddy. I'm really proud of you. You're doing great Yeah, I mean that serious you're doing great. You're just seeing what sticks in it Something's gonna hit and it's gonna be great. Exactly. I'm telling you dude. You should do a Spanish podcast It's just you know what the thing is and I've told you the real Spanish speakers look at me like an idiot because my Spanish they're looking at me in English I know about you. I knew you're about to say that I'd love to look like a double idiot and all the cut and all the world

Starting point is 02:23:01 in all of the world. Double idiot. That's what you mean. Double idiot. Double pendejo. Okay, there we go. Anything else to push? Your new podcast? Let's go check it out.

Starting point is 02:23:09 Hit the like button, subscribe and leave a comment for this cool new studio we got. I like it. Hopefully my gut won't be that bad. I'm going to lose weight just to... And Johnny, anything you want to push? Yeah, find me on... I lost a lot of followers on Twitter while I was banned for spitting the truth. That's some bullshit.

Starting point is 02:23:27 At Johnny Woodard on Twitter, come find me. Alright guys, enjoy these highlights. of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron! This is only the beginning. You just blew my mind.

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