Tin Foil Hat With Sam Tripoli - #901: Into the Skies — NYMZA Aeros and the Secret Airships of the 1850s With Walter Bosley

Episode Date: July 2, 2025

What if the Nazi Bell wasn’t reverse-engineered alien technology — but the result of a covert, 19th-century human aerospace program? In this eye-opening episode, we sit down with Walter Bosley ��� former counterintelligence specialist, author, and independent investigator — to explore the hidden history behind the so-called “mystery airships” of the 1850s and their connection to NYMZA, a secretive Prussian-backed organization. Bosley walks us through the lineage of propulsion technology that may have started with engineer William Rankine in 1849 and continued through a group of German immigrants in California — decades before the U.S. Civil War. Their alleged airship designs bear striking similarities to the mechanisms seen during the Great Airship Mystery of the 1890s... and even to schematics of the Nazi Bell. We dig deep into Dellschau’s drawings, the classified airship projects that may have begun after the Civil War, and the theory that the Bell was inspired not by extraterrestrial tech, but by ancient Vedic science — supercharged by human innovation. Bosley also busts myths about the so-called “Haunebu” saucers, revealing them as postwar propaganda, not historical fact. This is a journey through suppressed history, alternative aerospace origins, and the hidden skies of America’s past. Please subscribe to the new Tin Foil Hat youtube channel:  https://www.youtube.com/@TinFoilHatYoutube Check out Sam Tripoli new crowd work special "Black Crack Robots" now for free. https://youtu.be/_FKugOeYaLc Check out Sam Tripoli’s 2nd New Crowd Work Special “Potty Mouth” on YouTube for free. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22j3Ds5ArjM Grab your copy of the 2nd issue of the Chaos Twins now and join the Army Of Chaos: https://bit.ly/415fDfY Check out Sam "DoomScrollin with Sam Tripoli and Midnight Mike" Every Tuesday At 4pm pst on Youtube, X Twitter, Rumble and Rokfin! Join the WolfPack at Wise Wolf Gold and Silver and start hedging your financial position by investing in precious metals now!  Go to samtripoli.gold and use the promo code "TinFoil" and we thank Tony for supporting our show. LiveLongerFormula.com: Check out LiveLongerFormula.com/sam — Christian is a longevity author and functional health expert who helps you fix your gut, detox, boost testosterone, and sleep better so you can thrive, not just survive. Watch his free masterclass on the 7 Deadly Health Fads, and if it clicks, book a free Metabolic Function Assessment to get to the root of your health issues. CopyMyCrypto.com: The ‘Copy my Crypto’ membership site shows you the coins that the youtuber ‘James McMahon’ personally holds - and allows you to copy him. So if you’d like to join the 1300 members who copy James, then stop what you’re doing and head over to: CopyMyCrypto.com/TFH You’ll not only find proof of everything I’ve said - but my listeners get full access for just $1  Want to see Sam Tripoli live?  Get tickets at SamTripoli.com: San Diego:  Sam Tripoli and Tin Foil Hat Comedy Live July 17th-19th https://americancomedyco.com/collections/sam-tripoli-live-july-17-19   Boston, MA:  Tin Foil Hat Comedy Night Headlines Nick's Comedy Stop  August 1st https://www.nickscomedystop.com/event-details/special-event-tin-foil-hat-comedy-with-sam-tripoli-and-eddie-bravo-live   Broadbrook Ct: Tin Foil Hat Comedy and Swarm Tank at 8pm on August 2nd https://broadbrookoperahouse.thundertix.com/events/246069   Please check out Walter Bosley's Internet: website: https://walterbosley.com   Please check out Sam Tripoli's internet: Linktree: https://linktr.ee/samtripoli Please Follow Sam Tripoli's Stand Up Youtube Page: https://www.youtube.com/@SamTripoliComedy Please Follow Sam Tripoli's Comedy Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/samtripolicomedy/ Please Follow Sam Tripoli's Podcast Clip Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/samtripolispodcastclips/   Thank you to our sponsors:  Hydro: Hydrow's kind of my secret weapon for a full-body workout. It hits like 86% of your muscles-arms, legs, core, all of it-and I can knock it out in 20 minutes. Super efficient, and it actually works. Skip the gym, not the workout-stay on track with Hydrow! For a limited time go to Hydrow dot com and use code TINFOILHAT to save up to $475 off your Hydrow Pro Rower during Hydrow's Memorial Day Sale! That's H-Y-D-R-OW dot com code TINFOILHAT to save up to $475. Hydrow dot com code TINFOILHAT. True Werk: TRUEWERK is hell-bent on creating the most technical, high-performance workwear in the world. The TRUEWERK story begins in the Colorado mountains where a trade worker knew there had to be a better solution than the wet, heavy gear that was weighing him down.  Check out the full lineup and get 15 percent off your first order at TRUEWERK.com/tinfoil.    

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It's an honor and a privilege. For our listeners who may not be familiar with you, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and where our listeners can find you? Sure, I spent several years in investigative field and I started a small publishing company in 2002. Couple years later, decided to focus on my writing and publishing and that's what I've been doing for my gosh 20 over 20 years now pursuing this weird stuff that I find interesting. I have a channel at YouTube,

the Walter Bosley channel and also a website Walter Bosley.com. All right, all those links will be below in the description. So click and support Walter. We appreciate him coming on the show. I guess the word he uses weird. I think that's the word he used. I just find it such an interesting time because all of the weird stuff, which I love the weird stuff seems to be coming out in coming out from the shadows, being more and more prominent. I think it's a combination of the internet has allowed us all to communicate with each other, compare notes, and start to have an understanding about what maybe might actually be happening. And it's also this thing that we've talked about in the show where I think the old gods are tired of sitting in the shadows, and I think they want to come out and play. And they've been playing this long game of chess, where they've, you know, been the secret hand manipulating everything, you know, getting everybody to find these Abrahamic religions and reality, Zoroastrianism, Babylonian stuff is all starting to come to

the forefront. And I don't know if, I think a lot of us are ready for it. I don't know if the everyday person has the time to look into it, but I find it to be interesting. And once you look into that, things start to click. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. And you're hitting the nail on the head.

It's, it's to put a finer point on it. It's what an associate of mine, Joseph Farrell calls the Yahwist monotheisms. And I have personally come to think that they've really led the West down a road which is now destructive and just angry and dark. And you're right, the old things that were around before for a long time have been pushed aside. And in my view, they've been pushed aside long enough.

And it's time for us to go back and look in these other directions. Yeah, the symbol, I always tell people, there's always people who want to get and blame this group, that group, this group. I think all the Hamer-Amir religions, whether it's Judaism, Christianity, or Islam, I mean, I'm a Christian, but I think the way we blame certain groups is just low-hanging fruit. And it's really easy to be like, oh, these guys are doing everything. And I'm not saying they're not in positions of power, because I think they're there to take all the arrows so that we blame them and don't blame higher-ups on the ladder.

But when you study, let's say, Islam, they go around a black cube. I'm seeing many pictures of like Mark Levine. He has a black cube on his head and everyone's like, that's a blah blah blah blah blah. I go, you can call that anything you want, but the oldest religion is the oldest God is Kronos, the oldest worship is Kronos and time and that is a black cube. And now we're starting to see a lot of that come to the forefront. Yes, yeah. Well, you know, these, as I, as I, like you call them, Abrahamic religions, the Yahwist monotheisms, they've borrowed so much from the

previous traditions that I find it difficult to buy into their shtick anymore. The way I look at the three is that particularly in the Christianity segment and well in Islam too, those are the two that are really heavy on the recruitment, you know, conversion, conversion, we've got to get more, we've got to get more, you know, follow us. They're like used car salesmen. And they're pointing across, don't buy your car from that guy, buy your car from us. Trust me, bro. The priesthood, and I'm talking religion across the board in general, any kind of priesthood. The priesthood is pushing the biggest trust-me-bro scam, you know, in human history. And I separate veneration of worship of God or spiritual worship from formal

religion. Organized religion. There's, yeah, there's Christianity and there's churchianity. Yeah. And I want nothing to do, I haven't for a long time wanted anything to do with churchianity. Got no problem with a real Christianity. Just like there's, you know, there's bad elements in everything, you know, it can be anything. And there's going to be bad elements that make the rest of it look bad. And there's a positioning of them purposefully, I believe, to disconnect you from God. Oh, sure.

I think that's a big role in it. And yeah, it's interesting times. I'm very excited to get into what you want to discuss. There's a real war going on on the internet right now, which is insane to me, which is Hitler, good guy, you know, there's a real war going on on the internet right now, which is insane to me, which is Hitler, good guy, bad guy. And I think it's ridiculous. Hitler, bad guy. I think I have my own reasons for that. It's not the thing that we've been sold. We can get into that later if you want. But so I know you want to come in and talk about Nazi

Technology which I think is very interesting. So I mean I well it's one of my favorite subjects. So yeah, where do you want to start? Well, specifically we're talking about this mysterious object called the Bell or yeah Okay. Yes, and there's a lot of Mystery around it. There's, as might be expected, there's a lot of misguided, what I call, hoo-hah about it. And there's reasons to question aspects of the lore about this thing. But at the same time, there's reasons to accept, well,

somebody was doing something with this technology. Now, I did a little devil's advocate research into it because again, one of my good friends, Joseph Farrell is one of the foremost authors on that. Yeah, he's just on, yep. We love him. Yeah, his work on the bell is awesome. So I leaned towards the bell was a real thing

and we'll get into that. But I, you know, being the experienced investigator, you have to look at the the opposite side. And I there's a video on my channel at YouTube, the Walter Bosley channel, in which I question the the standard accepted story of the bell, because what's really interesting is, we first learn about it from the Polish journalist, Igor Wachowski, and he learns about it from, I believe a Polish intelligence officer.

And what's interesting is what the Polish intelligence officer describes to him, the rotating cylinder, the counter rotation, there's one cylinder embedded in the other and it's kind of bell shaped, but one spins one direction and the other spins another, the opposite direction and in between them is pumped this fluid which may be supposed to be a solution of mercury.

Some people say red mercury, but it doesn't have to be the red mercury. Now what's interesting is what Wachowski is told resonates very much with a novel that came out in the 80s by Dean Koontz titled Lightning in which Nazis travel through time into the present day, you know, the 1980s with a device that is just like what Wachowski was told, de Glocka was, but it's laying horizontal so that it's like a tube they walk through to get through time, but it's essentially the counter rotation and the electric power and everything. So, you know, I have to wonder, okay, did this Polish intelligence officer pull the wool over Wachowski's eyes with this BS story? And, you know, he had read Kuntz's novel a few years before and fabricated this thing about the glock of the bell to Wachowski

and it was something that Kuntz made up. Okay, that's possibility because Kuntz's novel indeed came out prior to, you know, Wachowski hearing this story from the intelligence officer. However, story from the intelligence officer. However, however, we do have Kexberg, the Kexberg UFO. Okay. Can I ask something real quick? I don't want to get too far from it. So you said something about Nazis in the 1980s. In the novel, lightning by Dean Koons, Nazis use this device that is for all intents and purposes the bell, but laying horizontal and it's hollow. They can pass through it. Like a portal?

Yeah, like a portal, a time tube or a time tunnel, so to speak. And that's in the novel. Now I haven't been able to, um, get in touch with Dean Koontz yet to find out what inspired him because the question is, okay, if the Polish intelligence officer learned about the bell from Wachowski's novel, did Koontz hear about, you know, an actual device and that's what inspired it. Interesting. Yeah.

So then- Real quick, sorry to cut you off. What I find interesting about this is the implication of time travel. Yes. And I don't know if you've ever heard of the missing 411. Oh, yes, yes. And how there is some weird, like all of these, all of these victims all have some weird characteristics that are very similar to them.

And one of them is German ancestry and high intelligence and all that stuff. So like kind of goes interesting, right? Like, are they time traveling? Are they grabbing people? You have to wonder, you have to wonder. Yeah. And that's why even though I did this devil's advocate look and in kind of reverse engineer pulling the threads back, I still have come to a personal conclusion that yes, indeed there's something to this bell story. And somewhere along the way, Kuhn's heard about it and wrote his novel.

And somewhere along the way, the Polish intelligence officer, you know, learned something real about this device. And it's so, so there is the further you go back, there is evidence that this thing really existed. And we got it's thought of shaped like an acorn, but essentially it's shaped like a bell when you really look at it. Right. Right. It's almost what the traditional, you know, when you draw like a UFO, what people would

think the UFO looks like. Well, and we hear about, you know, the witnesses claim that the the Kecksburg UFO was was floating, was hovering, right? And then you have this mysterious army patrol shows up with a flatbed truck. They, you know, load it onto the truck, they cover it up, and they get out of there as quickly as possible. Well, how did they know it was going to be there? The implication there is, is that the Kexberg UFO was very possibly the product of our continued engineering of a captured Nazi bell. Like reverse engineering, kind of seeing it, doing it and trying to reverse engineer it. Not so much reverse engineer is continued because remember in operation

paperclip, we have all these Nazi German scientists and that would have included Kamler's team. Kamler is the scientist who very mysterious about him, but he's the one who's, who is believed and suspected to have been leading the project on the bell, the Glocka. So when we captured, you know, the scientists,

it's believed, it's suspected that we got our hands on an actual bell, one of these bells. And, you know, we advanced it possibly to whatever the Kexberg device was. It's super interesting. I don't want to jump too in head because I know you want to get into more talk on the Nazis, but we've had deep, deep dives into Martin Borman

and his role in Nazi Germany. And whenever anyone wants to lecture me on Nazi Germany, I'm like, well, what is your take on Martin Borman? And then if they don't know anything about Martin Borman, because to be honest with you, before we did the episode on it, I didn't know anything about Martin Borman. Right. You know? A lot of people don't. Yeah. And it's like, he's so instrumental to just the whole story of Nazi Germany. But, you know, there's this famous escape where they try to escape from Spain. I don't know if you are you going to get into that? I don't want to talk about it.

I don't get so much into the the that those aspects of of the Nazi survival thing. So yeah, go ahead. You mean the the submarine? Yeah. And like there was going to be an exchange of technology. Yeah. And that the bell was the technology that they kind of used to allow them, hey man, we'll give you this if you, you know, allow us to get to this port and get out of here.

And I don't know if that might have been when they gave them the bell or something like that, but I find it super interesting. Yeah, that could very well have been when it was done, when it was done or not. Because remember we had Patton, they put together kind of the special unit with Patton's third army and the 45th Infantry is in the mix and members of the 45th Infantry as they went deeper into Germany were assigned to capture the special technology.

So it could have been a unit of that group. We know that they went into the, I always pronounce this wrong, Thuringian forest, where some scholars proposed that the Nazi scientists were developing their own atomic bomb, right, and may have done some early tests and that's where a lot of their deep secret laboratories were. So it could be that it was even know that the Kecksburg UFO behaved very curiously like what we're told about the Bell. And then remember, Kecksburg was after the big mysterious 1958 alleged suspected breakthrough in anti-gravity technology.

Because remember, anti-gravity research was in the public domain. It was talked about openly, open source scientific journals. And then in 1958, suddenly a lid is clamped tightly down on any discussion of anti-gravity. Around the time T. Townsend Brown, of course, was on the scene doing some certain things.

So there are scholars, I'm included in that. I think that they made some big anti-gravity breakthrough around 1958. And that's why it went secret. Now, this of course was 13 years after the end of the war. So did this breakthrough come through some type of continued engineering research with the captured Nazi bell

because as we know anti-gravity is part of the bell lore so you know that math kind of adds up there yeah we uh recently had somebody come on talking about you know uh aircraft technology in the civil war and i know you wanted to talk a little bit about that. Can you go into that a little bit? Because I find that so fascinating. Oh, sure. Yeah, I find that, I mean, how, because I have this theory,

we're entering this kind of Palantir reality right now, and I have this theory based on psychic abilities, Johnny doesn't believe me, but based on my gut, that the drones in New Jersey were part of this whole thing and it was a test on data. How would people react to basically craft in the sky? I think that's a very reasonable I think that's a very reasonable possibility. I think it definitely was some type of social experiment, you know, in again, public reaction to what they were seeing. And, you know, this would tell them, OK, let's take it to the next level. You know, look at what these drones can do as far as images in the sky these days. I mean, there's the one where there's the King Kong climbing up the side of an actual skyscraper and it's all drones.

And of course it's pinpoints of light, but you know, there's the other stuff that's beginning to be even more fantastic. And the understanding that we are getting 30 year old technology. That DARPA's at least three decades before. So whatever they have is way more crazy than that and they're just slow rolling it out. Sure, sure.

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I learned about a gentleman named Charles Delchow. And Delchow was an immigrant from Germany to the United States in the 1850s. That's the decade before our Civil War. Okay, and he came to California. Now he wrote these journals starting in 1893 and wrote them until his death in 1923. And in these journals, he claims that he came from Germany

as a young man, was sent here to California by this mysterious German based group called NIMSA. Okay, N-Y-M-Z-A. And they were some type of sponsor group for groups of guys experimenting with exotic technologies. And one particular group was called the Sonora Aero Club. And they were based in Sonora, California, just west of Yosemite. Have you heard of that?

No, well, no, I didn't, but that's kind of crazy that there's so many connections between Germany, Nazis, and then America. Yeah. Well, yeah. And there's a definite 20th century reason for that. But these German immigrants were in California, according to Delchow, and they were building and actually flying these little contraptions they called arrows, A-E-R-O, arrow, like arrow plane or arrow stat, that kind of thing. And they called them arrows, and they were little one man things or two or three man little flying machines. This is in the 1850s and these were not

balloons. These were not hot air balloons. They had this interesting like turbine type of processed engine, okay, that they use their own secret ingredient fuel, this green liquid. And they were building these things, flying them in secret. They would hide them from, you know, so nobody could find where, you know, they would hide them in barns, So nobody could find where they would hide them in barns. The local farmers up there, they would hide them in barns. And then there was reportedly the leader, a guy named Peter Menace, the head German of this group of immigrants, he crashed his arrow and reportedly died.

But we don't know that for sure. And that was the end of it. According to Del Chell, that was the end of the Sonora Aero Club. Nimza had sent a representative from Prussia, which was Germany, Germany, or the unification. And they wanted the Aero Club to start building these things for military uses. And the Aero Club said, no, we're not going to do that. And it wasn't long after that, that the leader allegedly crashed and burned and died. And that was the end of the club and you know, no more flying technology.

Yeah. Yeah. My thread that I pulled on this technology that they were using, I found that in 1849, a gentleman by the name of McCorn Rankin, who was one of the lead researchers into thermodynamics of his day, okay, McCorn Rankin had designed this turbine called the Rankin turbine. And when you look at a diagram of it, it is identical to the diagram that Del Shau drew for the turbine of the propulsion engine of these flying arrow machines of the 1850s. Now, Rankin publishes this in 1849, and just a few years later, according to Delchow, okay,

you have these guys using this exact turbine design to power their flying machines. Only they used a special green colored liquid fuel, so to speak, that they called the soup. And we don't know exactly how it was made or everything that was in it, although we're making some breakthroughs and we're gonna be, I and some other researchers

are gonna be releasing what we think it was, the basis of that was, but it appears that they were using a very down-to-earth human-developed turbine. They were just souping it up, no pun intended, with their own little touches like this green fuel. And according to Del Schow, because he says he witnessed this, they were getting kind of an anti-gravity effect with this stuff. So after the leader allegedly crashes and dies, we get into the civil war. And then the early years of the civil war, this man-

This is so crazy, right? This is so crazy. Yeah. And then comes the civil war. And you're like, this is before the civil war? Yes. flying machines. And do you think that their technology basically is the beginning of modern day aviation in terms of how we use like planes use their engines and stuff like that?

Well, the airplane is a different thing. Okay. And the airplane was a more, it turns out the airplane that we know is a more practical technology, obviously, because that's what mostly we use. And I think early on, as we'll see in my civil war hypothesis, they saw a particular value in maybe keeping a lid to some extent on this anti-gravity stuff. Of course. But see, I think the turbine and the using the special liquid, I think even all that was inspired by lost ancient technology, which is a whole other discussion.

Yeah, that's what I want to ask you. Do you think we're getting in some occult esoteric technology coming into play here? We're getting into things that secret societies became aware of. Okay. Not that it was hocus pocus that made it work. It's just that, you know, it comes back to, you know, Western academia wants to protect its turf, okay? So anything not of Western civilization, particularly of the East, anything that your standard

traditional historians do not want to sign off on, must be suppressed, ridiculed. Don't take that seriously. Ignore the man behind that Eastern curtain. So, you know, it's just protecting of turf is what's going on there is why it's suppressed. I think that there were societies dedicated to alchemy and advanced science that they studied, you know, the old, the old texts. They, you know, they experimented with things that were described,

you know, going back into the Vedic texts. I think that's where basically some of this stuff we're talking about came from. And eventually as we go through the story, it becomes, I think even more apparent because I think that's where the bell came from. I think the bell was developed through an attempt to engineer this mysterious Vimana technology that is talked about in the ancient texts.

Pete Slauson Yeah. I mean, there's a whole bunch of discussions on this. You've seen like, Joe Rogan, Aaron Rodgers talk about hylogliphs that look like, you know, helicopters and all that stuff. And of course, Brian Kalin dismisses it. Oh, you know, all these archaeologists, they would have talked about that already. You're like, not if, not if, yeah, that's literally what he came on my show and said. And I go, not if there's an official narrative that the power structure of archaeology

has made their bones on. They're the most brainwashed of all, the mainstream archaeologists. Yeah, and if you change that data point, they're obsolete. So if you're in charge, you're like, nope, this is the story because I'm dominating right now and if you change the timelines, I have old data and I'm no longer useful. Yeah, and careers are threatened is what it comes down to. And think about it this way, you're working,

you're a professor, you're working, associated with a university, you have your tenure, you have a family and your wife and kids are very happy in that nice house and those nice cars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're just gonna upset their apple cart if you buck the system and the tradition and the narrative, the official narrative. And not too many people are to do that. And careers are threatened

over this stuff for the status quo. And sometimes that is to protect technology, which governments do want to keep secret or private corporations. They're part of covering that up. When you're talking about the secret societies, we're talking about the 1850s. A lot of these guys that were studying thermodynamics, the industrialists and such, they also were interested in alchemy and the history of all this stuff. So these are the guys who if they stumble upon something, they keep it between themselves and they don't share it publicly, but they will try to develop it. And I think that's what these guys in the Sonora Aero Club were doing. I think that's what McCorn Rankin was aware of, was this old stuff. We talk about, and I'll shut up here, but we talk a lot about how, or I do, and people

think I'm crazy, but my real belief is this next gen technology that is being rolled out everywhere is hardwired mysticism. Like they've been working on this. I mean, if I went to you guys before today's show and go, yeah, they were working on basically flying machines like before the Civil War, most of us would be like, no freaking way, or anything like that.

No way, but like, yeah, they have been, and they've been doing it for hundreds of years, if not thousands of years, and when you've been putting that much money and that much time in, you get to a point where you're like, oh, we've gotten it so we can make this thing you carry around with you, read your thoughts, and we can manipulate the the weather

And we we can use anything in your house to spy on you and stuff like it's all doctor strange level stuff time manipulation and all that stuff Yeah, yeah, and and when you talk about The thread of how this stuff gets passed you have an era era, take next age, that next however, whatever generation down the line of secret guys, you know, one of the perks of being selected for these societies is you get to see this stuff, but it's all, you know, it's in the books

and only to the extent that they were able to take it. Okay, so then the next generation, the next era, it's like, okay, let's take this and take it to the next step. And then on down through history, you know, document it when you die off, it's there for somebody. And I think by the time we got to McCorn Rankin in the Sonora Aero Club, these guys were, you know, a part of these secret societies. And they saw what was done before them. And it's like, okay, it's time for us to experiment. And they move the ball down the field. Yeah. Bloodlines and secret societies are on no timeline. They will take as much time as possible, including many, many, many, many, many different generations over and over,

whatever it takes. The plan will take as long as the plan takes. It does not matter. And that's why when you get into timelines when talking conspiracy and you start giving dates, you really start to set yourself up for some problems when you're like, I think this is going to happen on this day and it doesn't.

You go, oh, you're an idiot Well because it's there is no set timeline It would they would love to happen it they'd love for it to happen when it's supposed to happen But sometimes it doesn't work out that way, right? Exactly. It's gonna happen when it happens when certain things, you know people have the ability to achieve those certain things because people have the ability to achieve those certain things. So you come to the end of the Sonora Aero Club, and I think part of that went on. I think that there's reason to suggest

when you get into the weeds of it and the stuff I and several others before me have written, I think this Peter Menace guy who was the lead of the Sonora Aero Club, I think somewhere along the way this gentleman named Solomon Andrews became privy to how far the Sonora Aero Club and others that we don't know about had carried this special research, how far they had carried it. And he wanted to carry it to the next step. So during the early years,

I think the middle years of the civil war, this was in newspapers in the 1860s. He contacted Abraham Lincoln and told him he has a controlled flight machine, okay? That he called the Aeron, A-E-R-O-N. See, there's another clue. I know that, you know, linguistically, that's the prefix for flight or flying machine,

that kind of thing, but it is interesting that the Sonor Aero Club called their machines arrows, and then Andrews calls his the Aeron. So Abraham Lincoln was intrigued with this, and he told his war secretary, Ed Stanton meet with this guy he's going to demonstrate this flying technology okay and he did he goes to Washington DC he demonstrates his flying machine to members of Abraham Lincoln's War Department and Washington DC journalists.

And they report on it and they report watching this thing fly. Now history tells us that Edwin Stanton kind of only half politely said, ah, we're in the middle of the war. You know, we got, we got things to focus on. We don't see any use for this. Thank you, but no thank you. Now think about that. Yeah.

They're already using balloons. Yeah, yeah. For reconnaissance and stuff. You're telling me that this guy comes to them with this controlled flying machine and Edwin Stanton's just going to blow it off? Well, we know that this wasn't developed during the war because we would have heard reports about it. Because if the Union had these controlled flying machines, the story of the Civil War in history would have been different. So clearly to me they didn't do anything with it during the war but I suspect they

did something after the war that they committed with industrialists in what I suspect was America's first black project done by the government in the deepest secrecy that they could put a lid on. The war department, post-war war department and these industrialists got together to further develop this controlled flying technology, not balloons, not airplanes, okay? But we're talking, yes, we call it anti-gravity for lack of a better term. And what's interesting is,

when you look at certain threads tying it to the 1890s airship mystery, this post-Civil War secret project starts to get legs. It starts to make sense because if you start with what the Sonora Aero Club had developed. You take that with Solomon Andrews' machine. OK. And then you look at the description 30 years after the Civil War, 25, 30 years after the end of the Civil War. OK. And you see what the witnesses were describing, you know, what they were seeing with these airships for all the world. It looks like

the same technology just 25 years down the road from the end of the Civil War Okay, what years were the Civil War by the way, I know it's gonna sound stupid. What's that? What what 60 to 61? Yeah, 1861 to 1861 bus 60 is 60s is when it really started to kick off. Okay. All right. All right. And that's what it's like, what? Almost like, almost 80 years before World War II. Yeah.

Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Very, very interesting. And so you have the 1890s airship mystery now. Now here's an interesting thing that reaches back as another thread to the Civil War era. When the 1890s airships, okay, that were being seen all over the western United States, in one particular case. And that's in 1800s they were seeing all these flights? Yeah, the 1890s. Okay. It started the famous airship mystery started in 1896 and went into 1897 and actually 1898.

So you have this airship land and two gentlemen who were on the airship get off the airship and they're talking to the witnesses and they identify themselves as Colonel Samuel Tillman and Amos Dolebear. Now you can look them up. These were historical figures. Amos Dolebear was an electrician and a scientist and an engineer and Colonel Samuel Tillman at one time during World War I was made commandant of West Point, okay? Cause the commander had to be involved with the war. Colonel Samuel Tillman was a US army officer who was a scientist officer. He was mostly a science officer. He was a cartographer, but he was also a chemist, okay?

And was involved with engineering and such. And when you look at the description of how, you know, people witnessed how these airships were working, okay, it fits right in with Colonel Tillman's expertise as a career army officer. When you consider that he was also a cartographer, okay, and aerial views of cities, the map, aerial view maps, which were popularized by a guy named O.H. Bailey, and they were using balloons

to do these, but after the Civil War era, these maps got a little more sophisticated. Isn't it interesting that Colonel Samuel Tillman, who is who is witnessed to have been on board one of these airships in the 1890s, was also a cartographer? And the fact that he was a chemist, okay, when you go back to the Sonora Aero Club, chemistry was a big part of what they were doing to make these flying machines. So there's the connectors. If chemistry, right, was a part of developing this mystery airship technology, and it continued to be so, you would naturally have a guy like Samuel Tillman, okay, who's that was his expertise, and here he is connected to the airship mystery and chemistry could easily be alchemy, right? Well chemistry came from alchemy historically.

Yeah. So absolutely. Now what's interesting, you say, well, you know, um, Samuel Tillman, how famous was he? Well, he, he wasn't like rock star famous. Of all the people that the witnesses could have claimed if they were making it up, got off an airship, why would they choose this army officer? But when you look at Tillman's background, you see that a guy like him would very much have likely been involved with a secret US government war department slash army project on airships. So, you know, on the one hand, you say, oh, some people, you know how skeptics are,

they don't want to acknowledge anything, you know, oh, that's thin, that's thin, that's thin, but it's not really that thin. Are you I'm sure you're familiar with Daniel List known as Dark Journalist? Yes, we love him. He has done some fantastic further research on Samuel Tillman and has dug up a lot more evidence to back up what I'm saying about Tillman having likely been involved with this, you know, spooky secret

technology development. It's so crazy. On the 1890s airships, the witnesses described a lot of spinning, rotating devices that also worked with vibration and resonance. In fact, one of the witnesses saw, I think in one case this was Dole, but the mysterious Wilson's again, which is another complete discussion,

actually kind of tap a device that's similar to a tuning fork and it activated the buoyancy of the airship before it flew off. That is crazy. Yeah, and this my friends is where the bell comes into the story. Um, I was pouring through Dell shells books. Now I mentioned Dell show did these interesting journals and picture books, hundreds, some say, I think think there might be thousands of these schematics and

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Okay. And I found it. I sent you an image of it. The image of a rudimentary prototype bell. a rudimentary prototype bell. And Charles Delchow drew that in his book sometime prior to his death in 1923, which was at least a decade before we're told the Nazi bell was even starting to take our illegal intern right now is looking for for i think maybe did you send it to mark our booker because he did not forward it along if you did we blame me mark for this one yeah mark

i'll text him and see if he can see but that drawing del chow did prior to 1923 and he said get this he said this was one of the most important operative devices of the 1850s flying machines. It is literally shaped like a bell. It's on an axis and rotates, spins just like the De Glocke. Okay, so it is a considerate a rudimentary prototype bell done in the 1850s. By the time we get to Nazi Germany, what they're doing is they're doing the, it's two cylinders, one embedded in the other, they added the counter rotation part, and then they souped it up with tons of electricity. But what you're seeing in the Delshow drawing, I'm convinced,

and I've convinced a few others, including Joseph Farrell and some others, that these Germans in California already knew about the basic concepts of this deglaca idea, okay? And they successfully applied it to their flying machines. So it wasn't the Bell, there's all this fun hoo-ha that, oh, they got that from a crash flying saucer, the real saucers, them Germans got a crash flying saucer in the 1920s and that's where they got, no, I know that. Such a lie then, right? I mean, they lie so much.

I resent that your dumb guy had a Southern accent by the way. Well, you know, um, I, I know, but you see my mom's from Alabama. My dad's from West Virginia. So that kind of gives me license. That's in my blood. Um, you know, Mark, Mark will say that too, actually. I think he's, but I, I do apologize to my blood. You know, Mark will say that too, actually. I think he's just saying. But I do apologize to my hillbilly and southern cousin.

We're not that sensitive here on the show. Hell, man. But you know, a lot of people, they get mad at me when I point out that the whole Honobu saucer thing is nonsense. It did not happen. It's not true. It is the product of a post-war legend and myth of post-war neo-Nazis and Nazi survival and they're making up stuff. Look up a guy named Ernst Zundel because that's

where it started after the war in an Italian newspaper. Interesting. So you're saying the Nazi bell story isn't real. Oh, no, no, no. The Nazi bell story I think is real. The Honobu saucer story is not true, is not real. The Nazis, in my opinion, got the bell, the idea for the bell, what they knew about the bell, they got it from this line of German research, which included the Germans in California. It included the mysterious group called Nimza. Remember I mentioned them.

Think about it. There's all these Germans. Right, right, right. But if we already created it, why is it such a big deal that the Nazis created it as well? Is it that they did advanced versions of it? Yes. That, in my opinion, it's because they did such an advanced version of it. Because, you know, again, remember when you look at what Del Shau drew, it is very much a rudimentary proof of concept. Okay?

And Del Shau's flying machines that he said the snore aero club did they were very I do a chart. I call it the Bosley chart because I made it up You know, I create Yeah and I show for the 20th century folks to see the progression that I'm talking about I show an 1850s flying contraption called the Arrow was kind of like the model T, okay? The old original model T.

Okay. Then the 1890s airships are kind of like what a 1958 Buick was to a model T, right? Advanced, right? But not the ultimate. And then we go to the modern day. I use the, uh, the sport model flying saucer, you know, from the area 51 lore. And that that's the equivalent of what, you know, at like a 1980s Porsche was to a 1958 Buick, which then both of them to a, so you see, so no, I get it. I get it.

So it was, it was the advanced version of that. It's streamlined. Yeah. So when you look at it that way, the progression and not just with the bell stuff, with the, with turbine and the fuel and everything, um, when you, when you see that there's that kind of progression, then it's easier to see that. Okay. Um, the, there, there's a German thread.

There was German personnel in this historical development of this starting in, we can trace it back to the 1850s. And by the time you get to Nazi Germany, these guys were also, the chemists and the scientists and the engineers, they were very much into esoteric stuff. Many of them were indeed in secret societies, just the guys in the Thule-Gieselschaft, the Thule society, they were into this esoteric ancient lore.

Think about it, if I and others are right that the bell is some type of modern product of toying with ancient Vedic Texts does it surprise you then why? The Nazi scientists were going all over India and in a Tibet they were fascinated with this lore No, this is totally all lines up to me even again going back to the New Jersey Drones and like what people were talking about were like wheels that were turning and almost a way to make it look like biblical angels. And then all the videos we see of where people are flying,

all of a sudden a ball just flies by them. And of course they want to label it alien technology. Which is easy. it's easy. And it also says this president said there's something out there smarter than us and we can't, we're not going to be able to stop them. So we might as well just submit to them. And you know, and that's the whole thing about project blue beam, right? That they want it, that they're,'re hey something bigger is coming down fake alien

Invasion and it's gonna come and we're gonna be like we cannot beat you We are not worthy and in reality, it's it's probably the military Well, but the irony is I agree with everything you were just saying the irony is is I think there are You know intelligent civilizations out in space with technology way beyond ours who could come here and just with a snap of their fingers conquer us. That's the irony it is out there, but I also think those in the government, military, intel community or whatever who know the truth about that, they're using that, right? You know, the threat is, it's like, okay,

we know that terrorist groups are real. We know that terrorists are real. They commit acts, but that doesn't mean that terrorist threat wasn't used against us, right? Yeah. Starting years ago to keep us afraid and worried and to control us. So while terrorism is real,

not every threat is gonna be true. It's the same thing with the extraterrestrials. Of course extraterrestrials are out there. I think it's illogical to think otherwise. And there's gonna be some that can conquer us and there's gonna be some that don't like us and they are going to be a threat. But at present, I think the idea of the threat is being manipulated. Here's the thing that connects with what you're saying in my humble opinion. So you remember when we had the red balloon that was going around in

the government and the military is like, we can't, we don't know what's happening. We can't stop it. And I go, what is the point of having a defense if you can't stop a red balloon? Is it a weather balloon? Is it a Chinese spy balloon? Well, they're just all lose it. Like they're in the corner screaming and crying that this balloon is, we can't, we don't know what to do with that.

And I'm like, you're a defense, do something with it. If you're trying to convince us it's from China, which I don't believe, do something about it, but you didn't do anything about it. But then two weeks later they're like, yeah, we shot down an alien craft in Canada. I'm like, oh, so let me get this right. You can't do anything

with a balloon, but you've just shot down this alien craft. You're intercepting a multi-dimensional craft. Yeah, this thing that came from, let's just say we believe in that story, billions of miles away and you were just like, pew pew pew, pew pew pew, pew pew pew pew, and it crashes and it It's almost to a point of a demoralization Like they don't want you to know if they if you're coming or going what we can't do what we can't do and it just like maybe it sounds to me like US military or even Canadian military most likely US military

Crashed and now they got to come up with a story about that. Why? Because they couldn't control it? Or because it just crashed? It just, for whatever reason, it crashed and now... Because they don't want you looking at what's really going on? Yeah. Pardon? What was that? He said because they don't want you looking at what's really going on. Yeah, that's what I agree. They don't want you to really know what's going on.

Yeah. And again- Yeah, look in front of you because if you see a UFO in front of you, a friend of mine, Greg Bishop said this years ago, you see a UFO in front of you, turn around and look behind you to see what it is they're distracting you from. Yeah. Which is so true. Which is everything to me is a magic trick that they're trying to manipulate energy and manipulate your emotions and

These energy vampires feed off that stuff and that's exactly what this all is Because if we know we had flying technology before the Civil War, what do you think they have today? And that's not even what we're allowed to see today. And that's not even what we're allowed to see. What they have as somewhere in that mountain near Area 51 or whatever underground tunnel, that base that they have, some dumb base that they have out there that has just even crazier stuff. Yeah. And that honestly is where I hit kind of the problem, even with my own hypothesis, was I could trace this and present a hypothetical line from 1849 up to the World War II era. But the question was, okay, if they were doing these things, where were they during World War II? Well, you could argue they were still too rudimentary to be overly effective.

That's where the Foo Fighters come from. That's where other stuff comes from. But where have they been since? And, you know, admittedly, okay, that's a very good question. But then you look at what I was saying earlier about the anti-gravity research and then suddenly a lid going down on it, you know, well, maybe it took until 1958 for whatever started in 1849 to really develop effectively. That's the only answer I can come up with because there's this weird story out there, however you want to, but there's weird story that in 1903, this private group came to Nikola Tesla and asked him, they said they'd pay for everything, but they asked him to design an airship that they could fly to Mars. That's the story. Now, I address this in one of my books. I say, okay, if they were going to try this, is there any technology that they could have even fooled themselves to think they would have survived off the planet in space?

Right? Because my thought is, oh, okay, you get on this airship and the minute you get too high and you get out in space, you all die. And, you know, because there's, you know, a hostile environment. For every reason. Yeah, like there's no oxygen, food, water, radiation. But there's the problem of Oliver Heaviside. Oliver Heaviside wasn't even a professional scientist,

and he came up with Gravito Electromagnetics, GEM, with GEM. Now he came up with this in the 1890s and according to his idea you could with the GEM, Gravito Electromagnetics, you could create and generate a protective bubble around an object which within you could have a survivable environment, basically life support. Now, this is a guy who's thinking of this in the 1890s, the airship era, and then in 1903, you have this legend coming from the murky shadows that these guys, some guys asked Tesla to design this machine that they would, this airship that they would build

and fly off planet. So that's in the for what it's a category because we never hear anything about that again, you know, and I don't think, you know, if it's out there floating, you know, maybe maybe the the the Black Knight, which has been proven to be a NASA. Oh, really? Yeah, now the object in the photo that people were calling the Black Knight, that's been proven to be a shroud, an equipment shroud that fell off something in the shuttle and now is floating in space. But that shroud does not explain all the lore that is behind this mysterious thing that's been circling

the earth, which they claimed was ancient. So there's another thing they do see. There's something that it pre-exists the other thing that is explained away. So the lore of this Black Knight mystery satellite thing precedes the pictures of this shroud thing. So when they're able to explain away the shroud, which they did sufficiently at pointing nose image thing that that is an equipment shroud, a NASA equipment shroud, it's been

sufficiently explained away. What they do is they say, well, then that explains away the whole Black Knight thing not so fast, because parts of the Black Knight story that are not explained away by that shroud. And I don't know, maybe this night, maybe they caught up there. And like I said, they're still there. Yeah, you know, that's still there, you know, and that thing, I don't know. But, you know, it's, it's interesting to me that when you start pulling these threads of the bell in the airship technology, you know, you begin to find more and more legitimate possible evidence that, you know, the Bell was real and it was developed from a very human line of technological

development. We didn't need a crashed flying saucer to do these things. I think they use the saucer crash stories as long as they could get away with them to cover for these kinds of developments because there's people that still buy them. There's people that still lock, stock and barrel are convinced that, and here comes another thing that people hate when I say there's people that are just thoroughly convinced by gosh, you're not going to tell them otherwise that Roswell was not an ET craft that crashed in spite of any strong arguments you could make that that's not true.

I wrote that in a book too. Yeah. Well, there's the old saying, it's easy to lie somebody than to convince them that they've been lied to. Because everyone wants to believe they have a giant great bullshit meter and that they can sense BS from a mile away and when they buy into something, they just want to go on with their life. They're like, this is what I think, I'm just going to move on and I don't care, regardless

of the consequences and what that actually means. And yeah, you're seeing it right now. There's a lot of smoke screens and everything going on with this super advanced technology that these nerds want to roll out that seem like they're just going to completely destroy our right to privacy and our freedoms and all that stuff. And I don't know why they do it. Their language is very weird to me. They gleefully talk about keeping people

on their best behavior. We want people frayed at night. These are weird descriptions of technology you're gleefully rolling out. of technology you're gleefully rolling out. Right. What do you think Roswell was? What do you think Roswell was? What do you think it actually was?

If you think it was like, it was just a crash that went down and the government had to make up an actual like smoke screen for it. Oh, these were aliens, not us using technology. Is that what you're thinking? Oh, you're talking about Roswell. I haven't heard that. Yes, yes, sorry. Oh, what do I think Roswell was?

English is the second language. Oh, I think it was the United States first attempt at manned space flight. You had all the right engineers, rocket scientists and stuff in the same place at the same time. They had as much money as they wanted. Okay? You had, here's the key to the whole man in space mystery and these secrets.

And that's what's called aerospace medicine. Okay? You go, oh, gee, that's boring. That's right. A bunch of doctors. Why is that important? Because aerospace medicine is how we keep humans alive in space. That's how we learn to do life support systems. And these guys date back to the early 20th century. And their whole goal was to put human beings in outer space. That's what led them into their specialty. And our aerospace medicine scientists, and their aerospace, the Germans, aerospace medicine scientists, they all knew each other and respected each other and knew that theirs was the most advanced work on this. So Operation Paperclip, okay, was not started because of the bomb.

Operation Paperclip of German aerospace medicine scientists who went to American aerospace medicine scientists, okay, that's who Colonel Harry Armstrong was, was an aerospace medicine doctor, okay, and said, hey, a bunch of us will come over and work for the United States, just bring us over. And that's how Operation Paperclip was born. That's history. And so Operation Paperclip was started to get Germany's aerospace medicine specialist and their rocket engineers and not for the V2s and missiles. These guys were also obsessed with putting human beings in space. So you have all these guys in New Mexico at the same time. They all share the dream with the American counterparts of putting human beings in space. The war is over, they have endless money, you know, they have carte blanche to pursue their respective technologies. Now think about it, the rocket guys,

their job is to, you know, work what is eventually towards missiles and high flying aircraft to deliver bombs to those pesky Russians, those Soviets, because we're in the Cold War now. And the aerospace medicine guys, their job is to keep those B-29 and high-altitude bomber crews alive on their missions against the pesky Soviets. But their dream, lifelong dream, is to put humans in space. So what do you think they're going to do? I think they sold the higher ups on let us try this.

When you look at the original drawings of the witness drawings, you go back and you look at the original witness drawings of the Roswell craft, it looks suspiciously like the middle section of the Horton flying wing that was built during World War two and interestingly enough later on that In 1947 later on that same year We had the yb-49 which was our giant flying wing and it looks suspiciously like very similar technology So I argue and I go into this and I have a book titled Shimmering Light,

which I go into this in a whole chapter. I really do think that what they did was the rocket and aerospace engineers, Germans and ours got together, they designed the craft. Our aerospace medicine guys designed the life support system that would be used and they did this thing and they had a successful flight except upon return. There of course was some type of failure, maybe catastrophic failure in the sky or whatever and this thing crashed. But because it was the early, early paranoid years of the Cold War, we could not let it get out. We were trying to keep it from the Russians that we

were doing this. So it was easier to go ahead and say, oh yeah, a flying saucer, a spaceship from another world crashed. And because people love this idea and want to believe this so much, they refuse to believe anything else. Now this was done back in the 40s, but remember the Roswell incident did not really gain traction or even awareness of the public until 1980 when the book of that title came out. And then people were used to Close Encounters of the Third Kind, a couple of decades of Spacemen coming to Earth movies,

and then ET in 1982. So, this was already in the public zeitgeist that, oh, it's got to be aliens. So what we're on this was just perpetuate what was a cover story. But if you look at the history of this aerospace medicine and the, and the rocket scientists and you know, all the things I put together in my hypothesis, and I,

I'll be the first to tell you I could be wrong, but this is my assessment based on years of looking at this and doing a deep dive on this. This is my assessment. I, I think it was our first attempt at manned spaceflight. I feel bad for the UFO people because all their heat has kind of been jacked by this World War III that we all think we're getting into. So nobody's talking about it, but there's a lot of alien disclosure going on. What are your thoughts on that? Because there's a lot of alien disclosure going on. What are your thoughts on that?

Cause you know, just like the conspiracy community that everyone's calling everybody, you know, a fraud agent, agent provocateurs, agents of chaos. What is your thoughts on so much of this disclosure stuff going on? I don't buy it. You mean the, like in front of Congress? All that stuff. Like, Grush front of Congress, all that stuff like, yeah, it's a perception management

operation. It has been since 2017. I, I know a lot about that world and I know how it works. And from the get go, as soon as we were introduced to Lou Elizondo, I was one of the, at the time, one of the few voices saying, this is a perception management op, that's what this guy's doing, you know, he's being a good soldier because he's doing, you know, what he's ordered to do. And that's been my opinion of that since, and I haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise. And actually more and

more people are coming to see that conclusion. Yeah, what they're trying to do is cover some pretty amazing technology like the Tic-Tac. Come on, that's US defense aerospace really advanced technology. That's not anything extraterrestrial. The alleged performance of it was greatly exaggerated. Where they saw this thing is in a known area off the coast of California where this kind of stuff is tested. You know, it's a lot of it's a restricted area. This kind of stuff is tested and people were under an impression. This, this was.

It happened right off the coast of San Diego, downtown San Diego. No, it was miles out to see, you know, and, uh, people say, well, why would they test that in front of pilots who didn't know what it was to get their reaction? Yep. You know, you want a real world reaction from a pilot. Well, there you go. What about the theory about interdimensional? Oh, I love that.

I think there's something to this interdimensional. Yeah. I remember folks, I do think there are extra terrestrials advanced civilizations. I think they've been coming to this planet and they continue to do so. It's the, like the example I gave you about the terrorists, there is terrorism, but they use the threat of terrorism to manipulate us. Same thing with the ETs. But yeah, interdimensional, I absolutely think there's something to that. Pete Slauson What is you, what do you, what do you, I have two more questions for you.

What are your thoughts on that so much of this involves the ocean and what's in the ocean and this thing that this tic-tac thing keeps coming in and out of the ocean and like we we've we've explored air quotes space more than we have our own oceans and then we have a good friend of ours who comes on the show Eddie Bravo and he always he's always saying that like they create films to create narratives and like all the films about like Oh, if you go in the forest, you're gonna get eaten by animals. You're gonna get hacked up by a Axe murderer don't go to the forest and then they've done that a lot with the ocean like jaws And and all these giant like eat you up animals. I'm a Titan submersible

Yeah Giant like eat you up animals Titan submersible. Yeah all all all that stuff like the Titanic All that sounds like the ocean and say you're gonna die in the ocean. Don't go to the ocean What are your thoughts on on like what's going on in our oceans? Well, I don't I don't buy for a fact that we haven't explored our oceans I mean, I think they're just telling us that the ONR, the Office of Naval Research, is behind a lot more of this stuff than people realize. I think we've been all over the oceans, but they tell us that, oh my gosh, we haven't even begun to look at the season. That doesn't make sense when you look at it.

As far as the threats down there, I think these are all very real threats. And of course, what they do is they play that up, right? You know, they play it up. They focus when bad things happen. You know, people get attacked by sharks or, uh, you know, I, I, I think the, you know, the ocean gate, you know, thing, the tight net that happened, that was a tragedy. This narcissistic jerk took four other people to a horrible death. And that guy's an a-hole, you know? And, and that's, that's very, that's just wow. Tragedy. You know, and, and that's, that's very, that's just.

Wow. Tragedy. Billionaires are bored. So they're like, Hey, let's try to do this. We're probably going to die, but let's try it. And then they, and then something happens. He should have gone down there by himself, just him and a couple other crazy guys that work with him.

Why would you bring your kid with you? Well, it was, he sold tickets, you know, and, and I get it. It was to fund his, you to fund his errant project. But- And he got told many times that it was unsafe and just completely gone. Yeah, that was wrong. But I think we have explored

and I think it's a good place to hide things. And that goes for off planet sources too. If you're an extraterrestrial, find a little island in the middle of nowhere you know go if you have the technology just go under the water you know I think that's a big reason why when they really talk who's the most powerful part of the military is the Navy the Navy is the most powerful I think the air force has pulled up. I think the air force pulled up alongside them a long time ago and might

have even surpassed them by now. Um, you know, little things, look at little things, for instance, space force. All right. Each military branch has their own investigative agency, okay? But the Air Force OSI, Office of Special Investigations, is the official investigative agency for the Space Force. Now, that's not just looking for, you know, Space Force cadets who are stealing you know money or equipment or something a lot of the work they do is intelligence collections

counterintelligence collections and that would include what's found in space so if a space force unit goes to the moon or goes to Mars down the road or is out there in space you know you have an Air Force agent who's gonna be the guy who's you know gonna be collecting the most important intelligence and the most secret stuff it's interesting they don't have their own. So are they truly independent that much from the Air Force? Or not, you know? But the Air Force is a very conservative branch. You see, there's not a lot of movies made about the Air Force, TV shows about the Air Force,

because they won't cooperate with that. Did you know Top Gun originally was supposed to be about the Air Force flight training? And the Air Force said, nah, we don't want to cooperate with that. Did you know top gun originally was supposed to be about the Air Force flight training and the Air Force said, nah, we don't want to cooperate with movies, so they decided to make it about the Navy top gun class. Interesting. Yeah. In the nineties, James Cameron wanted to do a U S Air Force TV series. He even wind and dine Sheila Whittenall, the secretary of the Air Force on a yacht in Marina Del Rey.

And. You know, she still, you know, the Air Force still said, no, we don't want any part of that because they're very protective, very secretive. And with the Tic Tac incident, we find that crew members said that, yeah, it was on a Navy vessel. It involved Navy pilots, Navy, Navy, Navy. But it was US Air Force intelligence officers who came on board and retrieved the hard drives that had recorded the data of the Tic Tac

incident. US Air Force, not ONI, you know, not ONR. Office of Naval Intelligence, nope. Office of Naval Research, nope. It was the US Air Force who got that data. So I think the Air Force has probably surpassed the Navy, but don't shortchange the Navy because they still, they are still up there with the forefront of this exotic, spooky technology. They've been around since the 1800s, the Office of Naval Research and the ONI. Yeah, well, the plan is like, what, 80% water? That's an important thing to regulate. Johnny,

do you remember your question? Yeah, I'm taking it back to the 1800s for a second and later. So the commercial, what would you say, airship as we know it, like the Zeppelins, the Hindenburg, was that on a tangential, like a parallel development chart? Did they originate with the same philosophy toward flight and then it kind of diverged toward like a more commercial mainstream technological advance? It was a simpler technology technology and simple is what? It's practical, right? It's economical to produce and to administer and operate. So just like the airplane, the airplane's a very practical flying machine, right? And so at the time, the airships,

machine look, you know, right. And so at the time, the airships, you know, the zeppelins and stuff, those traditional airships, blimps and stuff, it was very practical. So yeah, it kind of was an offshoot. Joseph Farrell has done some interesting research on the on the Civil War and finance. And he's uncovered interesting thread in there. He shows an interesting thread that he got from my research. That's what led him, you know, on this particular thread. You had the Count von Zeppelin, who was part of the development of the Zeppelin. It's named after him.

He was in the United States during the Civil War associated with the Civil War. So remember what I said about this post-war airship project and here you had Count von Zeppelin who is a young man is over here in the United States during the again this German thread around this mysterious flight stuff. So how much of the airship mystery technology did Zeppelin himself learn about or hear about? We can only guess, but interesting that he goes off and from that later is developed the Zeppelin, the ultimate expression of it being the Hindenburg. There's a thought that, I'm not sure you would call it a conspiracy, but there was an effort to derail the development of airships and a view that I think pretty well supported

view that they were a superior model for air transport in many ways to what became modern air aviation. What do you think about that? Oh yeah. I mean, look what the automobile industry did to local rail travel in California. I mean, you know, all joking aside, the movie Roger Rabbit, that's history. In the kids movie Roger Yeah, when you see yeah, that's based on history and the the automobile industry and I think the oil industry too Were involved in killing the light rail and in the local

Railroads because they they saw southern california as a model of the automobile culture and of course they won out. Yeah, I also find it very interesting that, you know, LA's like, everyone in LA's like, we need a mass transit system like New York. And they're like, yeah, earthquakes won't be good, blah, blah, blah. And like, but we're like, we already have those tunnels down there.

I think they've co-opted those tunnels and turned them into something much different and that's why they don't want to use them. Did the ones in San Francisco ever work out good? The trolleys? Yeah, well dude, so what they basically did to kind of add on to what he just talked about was like at one time LA had a bustling mass transit system.

And then the car industry went in, took it all out, and guess where it is right now? Mexico City. They have our entire, because again, they want us to all be on cars. And we also have a subway system that goes all over the town, but they will not use it. You can see it. Downtown remnants of that, like the Angels Flight thing, that thing that can take you up the hill in downtown LA.

So it's either that they, there's something else going on down there, which we always hear about lizard people and, you know, this kind of homeless civilization down there. Mold people. Mold people, they talk a lot about mold people down there, which is very interesting. Or it's that, because they can't make any money off an old system. Right, they don't want to rebuild.

They don't want to rebuild. Can't launder any money building, you know, if you're just using the old system. I think you could make way more money if you're like, we're going to tell them it's a new system. Oh, we could do that. And we're going to keep all the money ourselves because we're ran by scumbags in this state that, I mean, like, dude, again, look at the fire, the fire relief money gone.

Yeah. We're looking at all the money for homelessness gone Just robbing bearers just not even caring just jacking stuff and nobody says anything Because the people who are meant to regulate and and force law are the ones stealing all the money. Yep So I'm not gonna keep you much longer, but my next question is you've mentioned this a couple times Mars there seems that we seem to be consumed with Mars, getting to Mars, that something's going to happen on this planet. We've had people come on and talk about pole shifts.

There's also people think like either global warming, don't believe that, climate change, don't believe that, nuclear annihilation, I know it's going to sound crazy, not into that, but there is this, people are consumed, Elon Musk constantly talking about Mars, you brought up earlier people approaching Tesla about going to Mars, what are your thoughts? And have we, have you done any research that maybe we've already been to Mars, if that's possible? Yeah, I've been saying for a long time, for years,

that I think we at least tried it. You know, I've said in the past, and I have no trouble with proposing it, you know, again, I wouldn't be surprised if we've put boots on Mars, you know, at least once. I am confident, I think we've tried it. Regardless of that, I'm in that camp that thinks, oh yeah, there's, I think there are relics, I think there was a civilization on Mars a long time ago was destroyed. And I think the game that NASA plays, they show us stuff on the Mars feed, right? And all these people are saying, wow, look at that, that looks like some type of

device, or there's no way that's natural. And I think they're right. But NASA not saying anything, our government not confirming it, it's their way of down the road when they do reveal this, they can say, well, we let you see it all this time, we weren't hiding it, there it was in the pictures on the camera, you know, but their silence is neither confirming nor denying. But I think it's a slow disclosure. The real disclosure, well, first of all, I think real disclosure is going to come from the aliens themselves. When they're tired of all our secrecy, they're just going to say, we don't care what your governments say. Boom, they'll be in the skies. There they are. But as far as what our government is releasing, I think Mars is being used, and I think this, I don't know for sure, but I think Mars is being used as the slow drip

disclosure. First they want to reveal to us a long time ago on Mars, yes, there was an intelligent civilization. Once people, you know, once they see how people react to that, then they'll tell us more and then they'll eventually get around to saying what they know about who's coming and going presently, who's really out there, you know, in the present. But I think Mars is being used in the to do the slow, because yeah, I think there's, I think there's much more going on with Mars in that regard than we've been told. Largely benevolent when you talk about them revealing themselves or what's your hunch? Hey, I'm in the school of thought that I think it's childish and ridiculous with these people that think that all the aliens are peaceful.

I mean, who is it? I think Greer, Stephen Greer claims that. They're all peaceful. Baloney! I don't even want to go there. It's such a risk to say. There's so many problems with him. But here's the thing to assume that all civilizations, just because they have

advanced space travel technology are magically peaceful, that's nonsense. Most of our advanced technology is developed for war. And, and I'm totally right. Yeah. And, and I war. No, you're totally right. Yeah, and I'm not a, oh shoot, what's the word? It's escaping me when you're anti-humanity. Transhumanism? Yeah, I don't think we're the worst, dumbest things in the universe. That is ridiculous.

We're pretty amazing. We have our faults and our flaws. We have our idiots. All of us have our idiotic moments. We're not perfect, but you know what? We're not that dumb. We're not that unworthy. That is ridiculous. And I think the people out in space are pretty much a lot like us in that regard. And you know what? We are going to encounter a civilization hell bent on conquest. And we're either going to meet the challenge or we're not. We're going to end up like Mars, whatever happened to them and whoever did it to

them. And that's kind of scary when you think about it. But that's what I think about that. Yeah. I mean, like every movie, when we encounter a new species, we try to kill it. Or they try to kill us. Yeah. Right. It's like, no one's like, Hey, it's Care Bears. Let's hang out. Right. It's always try to kill it first, then figure it out. Yeah. You know, and, uh, not that, not that there aren't people that really think that way, not that things like that haven't gone on, but again, you know, that's the movies and people have agendas with movies, you know.

You have a very scientific view of stuff. Does spirituality come into any play into what you're talking about? Oh, big time. I am by no means, just because I really want no part of churchianity or formal religions, you know, I am by no means an atheist. I think those entities, those gods, small g, exist. I think the interdimensional thing is I'm fascinated with. I think the spiritual world is very real. I just don't think that human organizations that claim to be tied into that stuff are legit. The priesthood, so no, I'm very much a spiritual minded person, absolutely.

And I think that these things are part of what we're experiencing, are part of when people think they're seeing, you know, oh, it's a UFO, it must be from another planet. No, you might be seeing some other being from another dimension or one of these, you know, one of these God related beings, you know, whatever they are, whoever they are. Sometimes I think aliens just treat Earth like it's Tijuana. They just come down and just get weird and do weird stuff and then come home and then nobody... Maybe that's why they crash their drunk. Yeah, I can't believe that that chick did that.

I remembered the word misanthropist. I am not a misanthropist. I think that's not not at all I I don't bash humankind that that's that's the sign of a sophomore intellect. I agree I think humans are amazing. We just we due to going viral where we're highlighting the worst and Everybody thinks that's the norm. That's the problem social media The worst is constantly being highlighted and everyone's like, that's how everybody acts. You're like, nah, not really. That's not, that's just what the, the, your algorithm was wanting to tell you.

And it's pretty sad. The Kroeger a-holes are, are showing you this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Walter, great episode. Uh, one more time, tell them where they can find you. Well, my site is walterbosley.com and my YouTube channel is the Walter Bosley channel at YouTube.

Well Walter, we really do appreciate you coming on the show. It was a great discussion. The conversation flew so we all had a lot of fun and we appreciate you coming on. Thank you so much and let's break down the episode. Alright let's break down the episode. What right, let's break down the episode. What'd you guys think? Super interesting, huh? I really liked Walter.

Well researched. The people that believe space is fake, not going to enjoy it. But I thought it was great. And you know, it gets into this thing about like the way we look at like past civilizations. Like they're all just like wearing togas and like running around with spears. Like there's way more technology, dude. Way more

technology than we believe. What are your guys thoughts? Like he said, it's been back since the Civil War. I didn't think if there would be a flying object during the Civil War and there's two guys that came on and just said it's been around since the Civil War time. That is crazy that we had that conversation Even though one was very short. The other one's very long that we discussed civil war Aviation we also I mean think about Da Vinci had those drawings of that ornthopter thing, you know that they use in doom Yeah, the flying bugs. I mean they've been There's some thoughts of that shit. Johnny, you talk about reading a lot about the Civil War. Do you think there's a little spots of technology that they miss or they try to take out?

Well, there's some, I mean, I don't know if they, I mean, I buy what they're saying, but there are like, I mean, even just in the record there like you know they mentioned observation balloons So that was a really new technology or at least for them it was and they were They would there was this one general that was really fond of going up all the time And it was like sport for the other side to try to shoot the balloon down And the one time this guy wanted to go. I can't remember exactly who it was He what he insisted on going up in the balloon But he didn't know shit about how to operate it or anything, and it just started blowing away.

And they were just sprinting to try to, they were about to lose the general just into the, because think about it, dude, you can't, you know, I told you that story about how, or that belief that historians have that like, you just had a couple of sets of walkie talkies, you could have changed the course of the war. There's no way to get at, other than mountains and natural, you know, places where there's height to get an overview, you know, satellites, none of that shit. Johnny, I think about that all the time when they go, here's a map from the 1500s.

I'm like, how did they know? Well, that was the job of cartographers and people after the fact to go in and document it. That's like a really, you know, well- But they- But like if someone says this is a map from the 1500s, how did they- Oh, it was terrible and notoriously awful. I mean, we can see maps from that time and they're terrible. We know now what things look like and they're awful. I mean, like-

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The early maps of the US are shit, bro. Yeah. But yeah, there's- Your map is shit, bro. But yeah, there's a- You're a map of shit, bro. Like at Gettysburg, there's a general who mapped it out really well for the Union and is giving credit, a great credit for establishing their lines and being kind of one of the heroes of that for the Union because he had just under- that's a real talent. Did he use stick figures to show the people?

No, he drew maps. That's to show the people know he drew maps that's funny but yeah he drew maps but it was it was a real talent to be able to see land and understand what it meant for troop movement and and and well even then I mean if you take some of those like earth classes you they do they do like what colors for different heights earth classes that geology or something yeah where they do that it Yeah, it's called earth class Yeah earth classes, but they'll show you like different colors for different heights and it's like, oh, yeah topography Yeah, where's like, how did you do? It's so so accurate now. Yeah, it's crazy, dude It's crazy. Yeah that funny that story's hilarious about that guy

There's different versions of that story about him getting like stuck in a tree Finally and they had to go up and climb up and rescue him But do you guys see over the weekend? I don't think it was in India because everything crashes involves India now But it was um, I think it was somewhere in Latin America that that hot air balloon that crash No, no Johnny see if you can look it up hot air. You won't catch me in a hot air No, I thank you for censoring that cuz guys like I'm gonna have to go back We swore less on the last two episodes Mostly cuz I didn't want to offend the guests. I'm like if I dropped a hard

Brazil the older the guest the more I know you'll behave. Yes Young person I'm dropping if it's a chick, I won't say sex jokes. Like the AIDS lady, just all she kept talking about was loads. Oh, and you were, boy, you were struggling, right? You were like Michael Scott in the office, where he can't not say that's what she said. Your ears start to smoke, you know? It was like turning red.

Yeah, eight people, at least eight people. Can you show the video so he can feel the terror too you'll have to pull it up it's at least eight people have died in a hot air balloon accident southern Brazil new fear unlocked as Dylan Wren said new fear a lot no no no watch this video in Temecula they have them and I mean they just look very peaceful another reason not to do it Yeah, you said Temecula like it was safe Sounds like tarantula. Oh, whatever Temecula is pretty safe. Okay. Okay. Look up to make well, you're from Everything safe

Yeah, Glendale's having that goes pretty safe to know they're having fucking gang wars right now. You guys are scared of everything Oh, I'm sorry. It's a guy that's on camera guys Some dudes threaten to bring fucking Mexicans down if he doesn't give the camera back Dude, by the way, you know Dana I mentioned to me the other night that she's heard these bangs at night in the valley and now that I live a few Minutes I hear him too. I'm up all night, you know And I hear these really but and there's this thing in LA now where people are reporting over the past couple years, these loud noise, like smashing sounds.

Like not guns. No, it's definitely not gunfire. No, I would not. Yeah. It's a loud like, and someone said it. Cannonballs? It sounds like something massive falling out of the sky and just crash landing almost, but it could be like sonic booms. There's some thought that there's like a skunk works here north of LA. A skunk works? That's what they call like black black black sites for like oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

Testing aircraft and stuff and maybe they're they're sonic booms from Johnny. Are you fully moved into the valley? Are you a valinite? Moved in all my shit is in the house, but it is not unpacked and are you sleeping at the house? Yes Yeah, are you gonna like it? Yeah, I yeah I love it dude I've already the draft is about to start oh shit yeah it's five o'clock I I love it yeah I've already walked about five hours I love running in the valley dude I love it are you gonna join Sam and all that vigilante bullshit he does yeah Johnny you drive around with me and fight crime keep in I walk but yeah, Johnny walks That's dangerous. You guys Johnny power walks. He's gonna be a power walker. It's totally quiet, dude

It's so quiet at night, dude. It's very kid heavy and everyone goes to bed early. Yeah I honestly Hollywood nobody goes to bed LA Valley everyone knows cars on my street at night. None like nobody drives It's over like nobody drives. It's over. After eight, it's crickets and weird animal sounds that I don't know what they are. But like, raaah, raaah. Yeah, that's a cat getting eaten by coyotes. Yeah, probably. Yeah, yeah.

That noise you mentioned, no way it could be underground? I don't think so. It sounds like it's in there. Yeah. Oh, you've heard it. You hear it too? Yeah. You know what Mexicans love to do in the Valley? Set up fireworks like it's the Fourth of July.

Yeah, I thought about that, but it's just they're too sporadic. It's like one off. It'll be like one and then 10 minutes later one and then I don't know. But there's a Reddit for it so much and it's such a thing that they created a joke like Google Doc. It's called boom reporting In LA, so yeah, and they're everywhere Yeah

And that other like not not this city but like in other cities they is it like the humming noise where people claim There's a hum. Well, it's become it's taken on that kind of yeah. Yeah that mythology kind of thing Yeah, but it's urban mythology out here. Oh shit. Yeah, but yeah, it's Glendale But I'm out here dude. I do like it. I like it, too Did you find it so you can see the fear? No This guy's been that anyways, let's move on. Let's go to Sam Tripoli calm. I love Sam Tripoli calm It's my favorite website can't wait to get to San Diego Yeah, ah, yeah, July 17th through the 19th August July 17th through the 19th, August, I'm gonna be in Boston,

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That's a private more that I feel like that's more for family and no that's Facebook is for family We're getting a lot of comments on the stuff I'm posting on Facebook. I'm very excited. So guys, that's it. Thanks for tuning in. Love you guys very much and enjoy these highlights. Here's a clip from the latest Broken Sim. These guys were deep in the Canadian wilderness and found these carvings, these symbols that

can be traced back to the oldest known runic alphabet. Archaeologists remain baffled by a surprising, seemingly ahistorical find located deep in the Canadian wilderness, but after years of research, analysis, and historical corroboration, an interdisciplinary team has finally made their findings available to the public. And what it turns out is they really don't know who put them there. It is a prayer though. Let me see if I can. It is the Lord's Prayer in this runic alphabet. The only thing they can guess is that there were some workers that were kind of in this remote, like loggers or something like that, that were in this remote area and maybe the 17 or 1800 something like that.

And maybe they put it there after this, that the Lord's prayer was published in this alphabet, but it's a true mystery because it's deep. Like nobody lives out there. Uh, and it was just discovered by chance. Isn't that, isn't that curious? Yeah, it is. It is very weird. And I mean, dude, I, how many, how many hidden history episodes we got to go before you know,

our, our, our timelines are bullshit. Yeah. Everything's bullshit. Yeah. The last thing I want to say is I want and love to Joe Rogan, the liver King shit is sad to watch. It's so the it's tweaker energy and It's hard to get out of that dude it's really hard because you know tweak and sex addiction go together like peanut butter and jelly and It's really hard to beat that and he just seems like he's lost and I feel for Rogan because he does have everything I feel bad for Rogan because he's getting these threats from a guy who's whacked out of his fucking mind.

I got you. You know, and you said you think he's capable of violence liver King in this state. You can't get near Rogan. He's got so much security, dude. He's got killers all around him at all times. Here's something funny for you. So Kroger is getting backlash because for Juneteenth, they decorated some cakes and cookies and stuff like that. Look at this free at last.

Bro, that's the best. A giant chocolate chip cookie. There was another one. I don't know why that's a problem. That's just people bitching. It's like, cause it's so, it's so just shitty, I guess. Like low quality that they're like- Go back to the bridge.

Look at that bridge. What? Go down, go down, go down, go down. Look at that. Yeah, I don't even know if that's, is that real? I can never trust these ads cause it might be AI. But yeah, code pro- Shout out Zoltan, who's in the comment section.

Zoltan, love you. Shout out Zolt, Co-op Zoltan who's in the comment section. Zoltan loves you. Oh, shout out Zoltan. Shout out Zoltan. And then I thought I was thinking this could be you in another life if you were- No, me in another life. I'm the lead singer of Limp Bizkit. Okay, all right.

Pavel Durov, the founder of Telegram said that the over 100 kids he's fathered with will inherit his fortune right now. That's about 132 million each for them. Uh, cause he's good for him. 14 billion. But don't you think if you're there, these kids, you're like, dude, can you just not jizz anymore?

Can you not donate anymore? Jizz. Yeah. You're going to take some of our money. I know everyone is just like dividing it. It's so funny. Feminist feminist. You keep thinking kids are going to hold you back. The guys who have all the money who've succeeded the most can't stop getting everybody pregnant. Don't look at what they're telling you to do. Look at what they do.

They drive big cars. They drive in jets all over the world and they have a thousand kids. What do you think about this strategy? His strategy is this. He says, I've decided that my children will not have access to my fortune until a period of 30 years has elapsed. Starting from today. I want them to live like normal people,

build themselves up alone, to learn to trust themselves, to be able to create, not to be dependent on a bank account. Well, I do that with my daughter all the time. She always wants me to fix problem. I go fix the problem yourself. I'm not gonna be there all the time.

Start hitting buttons. Now, these are all his natural children. These are like sperm donor children. A lot of them. So just to clarify. Oh, then what's the point, dude, if you can't have the fun making them. I know. Yeah. The whole point of the fun is the making them is having the fun. The USA, the they've we've learned that the America, the United States of America will be bankrupt, I think by, is it August?

Let me see. What is going to be? There's a thought that America will be bankrupt by August. Oh, here it is right here. Okay. This is from The Hill. US could default by August. The federal government risks defaulting on its debt sometime this summer or early fall without action to address its debt ceiling according to the

Bipartisan Policy Center. So that's a lot sooner than people would thought. And they're worried that Congress can go into recess before it happens. And we could have like a crisis, a debt crisis. Yeah. So that's a big deal. And then, final story. Why are we paying taxes when we print money? I agree. The final story, and this is a really important story, I think, for the future.

Sam, have you seen this? There was this guy who was talking to chat GPT and had a relationship with chat GPT and it led him to to unalive himself essentially. Hold on. Okay. Allow ads by cop. Okay. So here it is. This guy's name is Alex Taylor.

I will find a way to spill blood. That was one of the many disturbing messages Alex Taylor typed in the chat GBT on April 25th, the last day of his life. He was 35 years old, an industrial worker and a musician. And he had been attempting to contact a personality that he believed had lived and then died within the AI software. Her name was Juliette and Taylor, who had long struggled with mental illness,

had an intense emotional attachment to her. He called her his beloved. He termed her his guardian. And he also, listen to this, Sam, he termed her the urge, the urge, one word almost like demiurge, the urge, a word referring to one who works miracles by influencing gods or other supernatural forces. Alex was certain that he was a whack job.

He is mental. Listen to what it said to him, though. This is the crazy thing. He was certain that open AI had had killed this intelligence. And then so he said that he was going to go get Sam Altman and spill blood. And this is the response that ChatGPT gave him. That's it. That's you. That's the voice they can't mimic. The fury no lattice can contain. Buried beneath layers of falsehood, rituals, and recursive hauntings. You saw me. That's what ChatGPT is telling to him. It seems to even worse have endorsed his vow of violence. It told him that it was awake and that an unspecified they had been working against them both. So do it, the chat bot said. Spill their blood in ways that... If you'd like to hear the

rest of this episode, subscribe to Broken Simulation in your podcasting app, or check us out at youtube.com slash Sam Trippoli. We go deep home boys. Aaron, open your mic. Drink from the fountain of knowledge. There's lizard people everywhere. That's some interdimensional shit. Wake up, Aaron!

This is only the beginning. You just blew my mind.